1 00:00:01,919 --> 00:00:04,160 Mike Delve's World number 5 zero eight for 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,980 11/02/2025. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,460 I think it's time for Mike Delve World. 4 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,420 There it is. 5 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:40,640 Yep. There it is. And, this is day 6 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,179 two of NAPOD promo. 7 00:00:42,885 --> 00:00:43,385 Welcome 8 00:00:44,405 --> 00:00:46,965 to this one. I'm gonna call this, welcome 9 00:00:46,965 --> 00:00:47,784 to Interlaken. 10 00:00:49,204 --> 00:00:49,704 Interlaken 11 00:00:50,564 --> 00:00:52,104 is a little town 12 00:00:52,885 --> 00:00:56,405 about nine to 15 miles away from me, 13 00:00:56,405 --> 00:00:58,344 something like that. I'm there 14 00:00:58,780 --> 00:00:59,600 quite a bit 15 00:01:00,140 --> 00:01:00,640 because, 16 00:01:01,420 --> 00:01:03,100 a lot of the restaurants that I go 17 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:05,659 to on Sunday morning for brunch and, 18 00:01:06,379 --> 00:01:07,040 or breakfast, 19 00:01:07,739 --> 00:01:09,659 happen to be out there. And it's kind 20 00:01:09,659 --> 00:01:11,680 of a central location for 21 00:01:12,545 --> 00:01:16,224 friends and family. And, so we traditionally go 22 00:01:16,224 --> 00:01:19,104 out there. So but Interlochen's an interesting little 23 00:01:19,104 --> 00:01:19,604 town. 24 00:01:20,784 --> 00:01:23,444 One of the big claims to fame is 25 00:01:23,584 --> 00:01:24,405 the Interlochen 26 00:01:24,784 --> 00:01:26,004 Center for the Arts, 27 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:29,290 and that's a well respected 28 00:01:29,750 --> 00:01:30,250 worldwide 29 00:01:31,189 --> 00:01:34,710 school for performing arts and visual arts, and, 30 00:01:34,950 --> 00:01:37,189 it's it's a pretty big deal out there. 31 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:38,230 The town 32 00:01:39,375 --> 00:01:43,694 well, let's see. The, 2020 census said 694 33 00:01:43,694 --> 00:01:45,075 people live there. 34 00:01:46,015 --> 00:01:49,135 But I know in the, well, all year 35 00:01:49,135 --> 00:01:50,435 around, the the 36 00:01:50,895 --> 00:01:53,534 music camp out there has, you know, couple 37 00:01:53,534 --> 00:01:54,755 thousand students 38 00:01:55,750 --> 00:01:58,230 and, you know, faculty that comes in from 39 00:01:58,230 --> 00:02:00,310 elsewhere. So there there's a lot more people 40 00:02:00,310 --> 00:02:01,049 out there 41 00:02:01,510 --> 00:02:02,010 than 42 00:02:03,989 --> 00:02:06,010 than you would get from the census. 43 00:02:07,784 --> 00:02:09,625 You know, my sister actually lives, 44 00:02:10,025 --> 00:02:11,004 near Interlochen. 45 00:02:11,944 --> 00:02:14,284 She's a couple miles from the, 46 00:02:14,664 --> 00:02:15,884 what we call Interlochen 47 00:02:16,504 --> 00:02:17,004 Corners. 48 00:02:17,384 --> 00:02:17,884 That's 49 00:02:18,745 --> 00:02:19,485 a a, 50 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,800 you know, it's on US 31, which US 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,340 30 One's kinda goes, 52 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:25,780 quite a distance 53 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,560 south of here, but, ends up by the 54 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,540 Mackinac Bridge. 55 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:32,240 But it comes through Traverse City. That's kind 56 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,460 of the main highway, 57 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,980 US 31 58 00:02:35,305 --> 00:02:38,425 or M 37 is another one, but, anyway, 59 00:02:38,425 --> 00:02:39,805 that has nothing to do 60 00:02:40,264 --> 00:02:41,085 with interlocking. 61 00:02:42,344 --> 00:02:44,264 Interlocking is big enough to have its own 62 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:47,405 post office and ZIP code. So, it is 63 00:02:47,705 --> 00:02:49,409 a something, but it's an unincorporated 64 00:02:50,269 --> 00:02:50,769 community 65 00:02:52,109 --> 00:02:53,329 or a census designated 66 00:02:54,189 --> 00:02:55,729 place. And it's 67 00:02:56,349 --> 00:02:59,229 in Grand Traverse County here where, Traverse City 68 00:02:59,229 --> 00:02:59,729 is. 69 00:03:01,455 --> 00:03:01,955 Ironically, 70 00:03:02,495 --> 00:03:04,754 Lake Ann, where I started this podcast 71 00:03:05,055 --> 00:03:07,294 and where I used to live, is not 72 00:03:07,294 --> 00:03:08,194 in this county, 73 00:03:08,894 --> 00:03:11,294 and it's about the same distance from me 74 00:03:11,294 --> 00:03:11,794 now 75 00:03:12,414 --> 00:03:12,914 as 76 00:03:13,614 --> 00:03:15,074 as Interlochen is, 77 00:03:15,629 --> 00:03:17,810 but it's a lot closer to Interlochen 78 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:20,989 than than I am here. It's, just kinda 79 00:03:20,989 --> 00:03:21,389 south 80 00:03:22,189 --> 00:03:23,250 or no. Northwest 81 00:03:24,509 --> 00:03:25,409 of, Interlochen. 82 00:03:25,949 --> 00:03:27,789 It's a little town of Lake Ann, but 83 00:03:27,789 --> 00:03:28,289 Interlochen's 84 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:30,289 interesting. Like I said, with the 85 00:03:31,504 --> 00:03:34,064 the music camp being there, there's a radio 86 00:03:34,064 --> 00:03:36,085 station from the music camp, 87 00:03:36,544 --> 00:03:37,044 WIAA 88 00:03:37,985 --> 00:03:40,564 eighty eight point seven, I believe. 89 00:03:41,104 --> 00:03:43,685 And they have a few other translators around. 90 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:45,250 But, 91 00:03:46,189 --> 00:03:48,930 their claim to fame amongst us geeks is, 92 00:03:49,150 --> 00:03:50,769 do you remember the screensavers 93 00:03:52,269 --> 00:03:54,689 on tech TV way back in the day? 94 00:03:55,469 --> 00:03:56,289 Kate Patello 95 00:03:56,590 --> 00:03:57,090 and, 96 00:03:59,235 --> 00:04:01,794 Leo LaPorte. There we go. I didn't think 97 00:04:01,794 --> 00:04:02,694 for a second. 98 00:04:03,235 --> 00:04:04,615 It's still early today. 99 00:04:05,794 --> 00:04:06,294 Anyway, 100 00:04:07,635 --> 00:04:08,375 Kate Patello 101 00:04:08,675 --> 00:04:10,775 is now a morning DJ 102 00:04:11,474 --> 00:04:12,215 on WIAA, 103 00:04:13,074 --> 00:04:15,870 and she's playing classical music, and 104 00:04:16,569 --> 00:04:18,490 and she always does these things, you know, 105 00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:20,729 for the kids that are being taken to 106 00:04:20,729 --> 00:04:21,229 school. 107 00:04:22,410 --> 00:04:24,750 She has a little little special segment, 108 00:04:25,449 --> 00:04:27,149 teaching classical music 109 00:04:27,930 --> 00:04:29,985 appreciation, I guess, would be the right 110 00:04:30,384 --> 00:04:33,344 term for it. But, anyway, Kate from Tech 111 00:04:33,344 --> 00:04:34,404 TV is 112 00:04:34,784 --> 00:04:35,524 now here 113 00:04:36,064 --> 00:04:37,604 in the area at Interlochen's 114 00:04:38,464 --> 00:04:38,964 WIAAA 115 00:04:39,504 --> 00:04:40,004 radio. 116 00:04:40,944 --> 00:04:43,824 Another interesting thing in Interlochen is, they have 117 00:04:43,824 --> 00:04:44,644 a little airport, 118 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:49,110 And it's, you know, two grass strips or 119 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:50,250 two grass runways. 120 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:53,110 It's a it's a very small airport. It's, 121 00:04:54,069 --> 00:04:55,610 ran by the township, 122 00:04:56,629 --> 00:04:59,050 Green Lake Township to be exact. 123 00:04:59,750 --> 00:05:00,250 And 124 00:05:01,104 --> 00:05:01,604 it's, 125 00:05:02,144 --> 00:05:04,305 it's kinda funny because, you know, they have 126 00:05:04,305 --> 00:05:07,664 sports parks, you know, around this, airport. They 127 00:05:07,664 --> 00:05:10,245 have, you know, baseball diamonds and 128 00:05:10,865 --> 00:05:13,824 fields for soccer or whatever and, you know, 129 00:05:13,824 --> 00:05:15,344 so they they play a lot of sports 130 00:05:15,344 --> 00:05:15,844 there. 131 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,340 And the township 132 00:05:18,199 --> 00:05:20,939 really doesn't want the airport there. But 133 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:21,740 by 134 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:22,939 agreement 135 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,060 to have that airport because the 136 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,620 the people that donated the land, 137 00:05:29,014 --> 00:05:29,915 one of the stipulations 138 00:05:30,375 --> 00:05:32,555 is it will always be an airport. 139 00:05:33,735 --> 00:05:34,235 And 140 00:05:35,095 --> 00:05:38,055 so, anyway, that's it has a little tension 141 00:05:38,055 --> 00:05:40,214 going on out there, but, those of us 142 00:05:40,214 --> 00:05:41,355 who fly do 143 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:43,650 tend to wanna land there at least once 144 00:05:43,650 --> 00:05:44,550 a year just 145 00:05:45,410 --> 00:05:47,490 to just to make sure it stays in 146 00:05:47,490 --> 00:05:49,569 airport and it's well maintained and, you know, 147 00:05:49,569 --> 00:05:50,930 they do a good job with it. It's 148 00:05:50,930 --> 00:05:51,670 a good airport, 149 00:05:52,529 --> 00:05:52,850 but, 150 00:05:53,330 --> 00:05:54,389 it's just interesting. 151 00:05:55,105 --> 00:05:57,685 And speaking of, you know, the name Interlaken, 152 00:05:57,985 --> 00:05:59,045 it's kind of weird. 153 00:06:00,545 --> 00:06:02,324 It here, I'm looking at the Wikipedia 154 00:06:03,345 --> 00:06:04,964 on where the name came from. 155 00:06:05,504 --> 00:06:06,004 Latin, 156 00:06:06,625 --> 00:06:07,764 for inter 157 00:06:08,189 --> 00:06:10,930 means between and the Scottish term 158 00:06:11,389 --> 00:06:13,330 Lachin, which means lakes. 159 00:06:13,870 --> 00:06:16,430 And Interlachin is situated or at least part 160 00:06:16,430 --> 00:06:19,389 of it is situated between Green Lake and 161 00:06:19,389 --> 00:06:20,290 Duck Lake. 162 00:06:20,904 --> 00:06:23,145 And they're, you know, fairly large in one 163 00:06:23,145 --> 00:06:24,125 lakes. And 164 00:06:24,584 --> 00:06:26,524 and you go to concerts out there, 165 00:06:27,225 --> 00:06:29,725 at the the arts academy, they have the 166 00:06:29,785 --> 00:06:31,564 the great venue, 4,000 167 00:06:31,785 --> 00:06:35,485 person, kind of sorta outdoors, but not really. 168 00:06:36,330 --> 00:06:38,170 But right behind the stage, you can, you 169 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:40,110 know, is you can look out over 170 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:41,230 Green Lake. 171 00:06:42,009 --> 00:06:42,830 It's an interesting 172 00:06:43,930 --> 00:06:46,009 place to to watch a concert, and they 173 00:06:46,009 --> 00:06:48,189 have, you know, big concerts in there. 174 00:06:49,394 --> 00:06:50,935 You know, I remember going to see Dolly 175 00:06:50,935 --> 00:06:52,474 Parton, Willie Nelson, 176 00:06:52,935 --> 00:06:54,375 and I don't know who they got this 177 00:06:54,495 --> 00:06:56,134 you know, who they had this summer. They 178 00:06:56,134 --> 00:06:57,654 only do it in the summer because, like 179 00:06:57,654 --> 00:06:58,875 I said, it's an outdoor 180 00:06:59,414 --> 00:06:59,914 venue 181 00:07:00,535 --> 00:07:02,899 or sort of outdoors. It's a a they 182 00:07:02,899 --> 00:07:04,819 got a big roof and the stage is 183 00:07:04,819 --> 00:07:05,319 enclosed 184 00:07:05,699 --> 00:07:07,000 kind of, but the 185 00:07:07,379 --> 00:07:10,039 the sides are open. It's it's really cool. 186 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:10,919 But anyway, 187 00:07:12,259 --> 00:07:15,060 another interesting thing about interlocking is in the 188 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:17,300 winter or used to be, I don't think 189 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:18,360 they do this anymore, 190 00:07:19,035 --> 00:07:21,914 but there was an ice ice bridge across 191 00:07:21,914 --> 00:07:22,735 Green Lake. 192 00:07:23,834 --> 00:07:24,394 And the, 193 00:07:25,115 --> 00:07:28,794 state park has a boat boat launch on 194 00:07:28,794 --> 00:07:29,294 the 195 00:07:30,475 --> 00:07:33,470 on the east side, and there's another boat 196 00:07:33,470 --> 00:07:35,569 launch on the west side of the lake. 197 00:07:36,029 --> 00:07:37,730 In the middle of the winter, 198 00:07:38,350 --> 00:07:40,670 people have been known to drive across it. 199 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:41,889 I've done it once. 200 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:45,550 I don't really like driving on frozen lakes, 201 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:46,050 but 202 00:07:47,444 --> 00:07:48,805 when I was in high school, we did 203 00:07:48,805 --> 00:07:51,204 it once. And you could drive from Diamond 204 00:07:51,204 --> 00:07:52,985 Park Boat Launch to the, 205 00:07:54,245 --> 00:07:55,544 State Park Boat Launch. 206 00:07:56,404 --> 00:07:59,125 And, you know, it's about two miles across, 207 00:07:59,125 --> 00:08:00,185 something like that. 208 00:08:03,730 --> 00:08:05,110 Trying to get a drink here. 209 00:08:05,810 --> 00:08:07,830 I'm still not feeling a 100%, 210 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:09,910 at the hiccups. 211 00:08:11,090 --> 00:08:11,490 Anyway 212 00:08:12,529 --> 00:08:15,270 and, also, Interlochen's home to the largest, 213 00:08:16,154 --> 00:08:19,274 state park in Michigan by a number of 214 00:08:19,274 --> 00:08:19,774 campsites. 215 00:08:20,954 --> 00:08:23,274 I forget how many they have, but I 216 00:08:23,274 --> 00:08:24,975 I think it's north of 400, 217 00:08:26,475 --> 00:08:28,014 campsites, which is 218 00:08:28,389 --> 00:08:30,470 just huge for a state park. We have 219 00:08:30,470 --> 00:08:32,389 a state park here in Traverse City that 220 00:08:32,389 --> 00:08:35,350 might have a 100 spots, maybe less than 221 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:35,850 that. 222 00:08:36,549 --> 00:08:39,830 So, it's it's a very huge state park, 223 00:08:39,830 --> 00:08:41,830 and they have a beach on Green Lake, 224 00:08:41,830 --> 00:08:42,330 and 225 00:08:43,375 --> 00:08:44,675 it's, you know, 226 00:08:45,134 --> 00:08:46,835 it's nice. Very nice. 227 00:08:47,215 --> 00:08:48,995 It's kind of the hangout for 228 00:08:49,375 --> 00:08:51,855 us teenagers. So they grew up on the 229 00:08:51,855 --> 00:08:54,654 West Side Of Traverse City, which, you know, 230 00:08:54,654 --> 00:08:56,254 not too far from Interlochen. I think it 231 00:08:56,254 --> 00:08:57,154 might have been 232 00:08:57,509 --> 00:08:58,889 five miles to Interlochen. 233 00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:02,309 And, so as teenagers, we'd hang out at 234 00:09:02,309 --> 00:09:04,470 the beach at the state park. So every 235 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:05,929 year we had to get a state park 236 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:07,210 state park pass, 237 00:09:08,710 --> 00:09:11,524 and, it was that was cool. Another thing 238 00:09:11,524 --> 00:09:14,004 we used to do is ice fish. We 239 00:09:14,004 --> 00:09:16,745 would ice fish for smelt on Green Lake 240 00:09:17,524 --> 00:09:20,085 out there. We put a coop out there, 241 00:09:20,085 --> 00:09:21,845 and, you know, we had a little wood 242 00:09:21,845 --> 00:09:24,399 stove. It was great. You'd drive out you 243 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:26,560 even drive out on the ice sometimes, most 244 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:28,320 of the time not. We'd park at the 245 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,000 Diamond Park Boat Launch and walk out or 246 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,800 ride snowmobile out there, something like that. But 247 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,240 we had a little wood stove in there, 248 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,600 and you'd get in there and take your 249 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,605 coat off. And we would catch smelt. And 250 00:09:40,605 --> 00:09:43,745 then most people net smelt, but in the 251 00:09:44,044 --> 00:09:44,544 winter, 252 00:09:45,164 --> 00:09:46,304 you can catch them 253 00:09:46,924 --> 00:09:48,044 pretty readily on, 254 00:09:48,845 --> 00:09:51,404 on speed reels, we call it. These, like, 255 00:09:51,404 --> 00:09:51,904 little 256 00:09:52,610 --> 00:09:55,009 they were built right into the, shed or 257 00:09:55,009 --> 00:09:55,669 the shanty 258 00:09:56,449 --> 00:09:56,949 and 259 00:09:57,329 --> 00:09:59,089 had three hooks on it. You put little 260 00:09:59,089 --> 00:10:01,409 perch minnows on the three hooks and drop 261 00:10:01,409 --> 00:10:02,070 it down 262 00:10:02,610 --> 00:10:04,289 and wait wait for a little bit and 263 00:10:04,289 --> 00:10:06,209 then start dancing around. You pull it up. 264 00:10:06,209 --> 00:10:09,134 Sometimes you'd get two or sometimes three smelt. 265 00:10:09,134 --> 00:10:11,154 And we'd come back with a bucket full. 266 00:10:11,774 --> 00:10:13,455 And, you know, smelt, I don't know if 267 00:10:13,455 --> 00:10:16,434 you're familiar with that, but, they're they're small 268 00:10:16,894 --> 00:10:18,115 fish kinda like, 269 00:10:19,710 --> 00:10:21,230 I don't know what like, I don't know 270 00:10:21,230 --> 00:10:23,629 what they'd be like, but, you just clean 271 00:10:23,629 --> 00:10:24,590 them out and and, 272 00:10:25,309 --> 00:10:27,490 fry them up, and, they're really good. 273 00:10:28,429 --> 00:10:29,149 Around here, 274 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:31,389 a lot of the restaurants have what they 275 00:10:31,389 --> 00:10:33,730 call Northern Michigan Surf and Turf, 276 00:10:34,725 --> 00:10:35,225 which 277 00:10:35,605 --> 00:10:38,004 is basically a hamburger and a pile of 278 00:10:38,004 --> 00:10:38,504 smelt. 279 00:10:41,125 --> 00:10:43,445 And, it's really good. I never had worse 280 00:10:43,445 --> 00:10:46,424 heartburn though than eating deep fried smelt. So 281 00:10:46,485 --> 00:10:48,325 you gotta be careful with that if you're 282 00:10:48,325 --> 00:10:48,825 susceptible 283 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:52,340 to heartburn, but they are really good, really 284 00:10:52,340 --> 00:10:52,840 tasty. 285 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:57,960 But, yeah. So that's it, for interlocking. 286 00:10:58,740 --> 00:10:59,240 Just, 287 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:01,940 you know, kind of a neat little place 288 00:11:01,940 --> 00:11:02,440 here. 289 00:11:02,764 --> 00:11:05,004 Oh, another another thing about it is I 290 00:11:05,004 --> 00:11:06,304 graduated high school. 291 00:11:07,404 --> 00:11:08,144 The graduation 292 00:11:08,524 --> 00:11:12,384 ceremonies for the Traverse City public schools are 293 00:11:13,245 --> 00:11:13,985 in interlocking 294 00:11:14,285 --> 00:11:16,940 in that big venue. I think it's called 295 00:11:16,940 --> 00:11:18,000 Kresge Auditorium. 296 00:11:19,420 --> 00:11:19,920 Kresge, 297 00:11:20,299 --> 00:11:23,600 I believe, is, one of the people that, 298 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:27,500 one of the people that donated a lot 299 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:30,320 of money to the, Interlochen Center, Kresge 300 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:31,920 of of, like, 301 00:11:32,445 --> 00:11:34,684 had dime stores back in the day or 302 00:11:34,684 --> 00:11:36,845 k maybe Kmart was started by that. I 303 00:11:36,845 --> 00:11:38,705 forget. I want to look that up. 304 00:11:39,325 --> 00:11:41,004 But, you know, a lot of famous people 305 00:11:41,004 --> 00:11:42,545 have gone there. I don't know. 306 00:11:43,004 --> 00:11:44,865 You've heard of, Chip Davis, 307 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,679 Manheim Steamroller. You know, he does all the 308 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,320 Christmas music and all that. And ironically, also 309 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:50,820 did, 310 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,019 all the CW McCall, 311 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,539 country music. 312 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:57,299 You know, 313 00:11:58,254 --> 00:12:01,534 convoy I think was yeah. Convoy was one 314 00:12:01,534 --> 00:12:04,095 of his famous songs, but, yeah. It's Chip 315 00:12:04,095 --> 00:12:06,815 Davis. He went to Interlochen. Jewel went to 316 00:12:06,815 --> 00:12:09,855 Interlochen. Actually, I saw her in concert there 317 00:12:09,855 --> 00:12:10,834 a couple times, 318 00:12:11,179 --> 00:12:13,659 but she went to the, Interlochen Center for 319 00:12:13,659 --> 00:12:14,720 the Arts and 320 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:17,980 a few infamous people I won't mention. But, 321 00:12:18,539 --> 00:12:19,039 anyway, 322 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:21,600 it's, it's quite the famous 323 00:12:22,059 --> 00:12:22,879 arts camp. 324 00:12:23,384 --> 00:12:26,024 So with that, we're gonna call this a 325 00:12:26,024 --> 00:12:27,884 podcast for NAPOD POMO. 326 00:12:28,425 --> 00:12:28,925 Tomorrow 327 00:12:29,304 --> 00:12:31,545 what do I got for tomorrow? I actually 328 00:12:31,545 --> 00:12:33,384 have a list of things I'm gonna talk 329 00:12:33,384 --> 00:12:34,684 about. Oh, yeah. 330 00:12:35,065 --> 00:12:37,019 We're gonna talk about a