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Welcome to going deep, brandon Angelo at angelo

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At Matt W here.

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w dot com,

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and gave you a little bit on some

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running backs that I think are worth looking

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at heading into 20 25 in terms of

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things that you be checking out about them

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to see if their stocks gonna go up

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or down. But this week,

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going deep

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talk a little bit about

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what we define as a sleeper

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and some guys that may wind up being

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sleepers in terms of the various

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archetypes the of sleepers that kind of exist

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out there.

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So, you know, 1 of those just to

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get right into it is the sleeper archetype

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of the guy who fell the draft because

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half the Gm apparently or execs took them

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off the draft board. That's according to greg

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When the Patriots beat writer, we talked about

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Siobhan Baker saying that he was apparently off

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the draft boards of half the execs that

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he spoke with.

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So, you know, you and I have both

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talked about how much we like Baker,

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you know, fine route runner, certainly has had

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some moments in camp where he's made some

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big plays already. So what are your thoughts

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on this whole idea of where he is

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on draft boards, whether there was smoke, there's

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fire with that smoke or or, you know,

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overall, just, you know, kind of feeling about

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what we should be watching out for with

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him. Yeah. And it's kinda funny because I

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heard the same thing that that the da

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said.

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And I was reading some of the articles

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that we're surrounding that particular, you know, item,

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the baker. And a lot them were like,

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about his dad, which has kinda interesting.

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So I thought that was really peculiar because,

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you know, you, you and I both did

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extensive work on on baker

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archetype, what his makeup is, you know, what

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really, plays extra receiver primarily, but he can

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move inside and bump in the slot. There's

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a lot of great things about his game

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as a wide receiver, but

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I didn't really saw any of that, like,

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in in my deep dive of Baker,

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I think his person personality is the more

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can be seen as a as abrasive. If

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you kinda listen to him speak about his

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game and...

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But that's kinda goes along with plaintiff position

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at a high level, especially that position.

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So I didn't see a flag with that,

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but, yeah, I think it's interesting that that

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Pod bernard said, like, you know, basically,

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15, 16 teams,

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like come off the draft.

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But, yeah, I don't know. I I think

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it's it's gonna be interesting to see how

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well I think a guy like him if

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they're were legitimate character concerns,

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how he feels

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about playing a complimentary role to start.

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Like, what what is his character his ego

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going to be when he's asked to learn

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and grow? Because that's an offense too where

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there's gonna be a lot of learning a

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lot of growth in the patriot offense is

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not an offense that's gonna hit the ground

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running. No they don't really have any established

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play makers besides reminders Stevenson. So that's gonna

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be interesting to see who steps up in

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and who gets some early career opportunity. I

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I think polk is 1 of those guys

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that I think can contribute pretty early on,

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as the makeup too, and, you know, as

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we talk about, you know, stock up stock

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down. And

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with all this his subscribers I have last

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week. I said,

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Polk might be kind of an... I'm on

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Ra Saint Brown in a sense,

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where he's 1 of those extension

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extensions of the run game and he kinda

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does the little things right that you kinda

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just wanna get him the ball. So he

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doesn't make very little mistakes.

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little less mistake free.

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So that's gonna be interesting to see if

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he's gonna be a guy that's gonna continue

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to ascend and continue to make plays and

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grow into a larger hole that Patriots offense.

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Yeah. I mean, I think that if you

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compare the 2 baker probably has more highs

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and a higher ceiling than pulp does, for

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sure.

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And that he is a... I think he's

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a more technically sound rot runner, but the

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mistakes at the catch point

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can be can be a bit of an

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issue with him. And, you know, the touch

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on the whole thing with the dad. It

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is it is fast saying and it's it's

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unusual to hear about this, but I have

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certainly spoken with people who've told me in

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the past that

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there are...

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There have been past issues with players where

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their families have been such a problem,

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like that they come up to the city

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and cause a ru with the staff,

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you know, when it comes to, like,

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you know, maybe

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something being an issue and they they try

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and come in and talk to their to

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their son or their or

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nephew or whoever that players related to them

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by, and they end up like being disruptive

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to the day elite day to day of

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the actual franchise

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operation

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because of what they're what they're doing. And

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they're creating a distraction for the player

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to where they're not it. It seems like

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they're not getting to put in the level

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of work that they're capable of putting in

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because the family's creating such a distraction

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overall and so much drama. And Right. You

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know, I mean, it sounds crazy.

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But there are a lot of people out

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in this world who have, like narcissistic

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parents.

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can like, if they're not the

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object of attention, you know, 3 65,

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they can they can be really

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problematic

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you know, and they can cause a split

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between that that

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that kid and whatever it is that's important

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to them because they they feel so much

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insecurity

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as pay parents or relatives that they feel

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like that if they're not the absolute, it's...

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That kid's not the extension of their needs,

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then they may that kid's life hell.

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it's...

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You know, if that's what bakers going through,

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that's an issue, but it may just be

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the fear

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of that being the possibility.

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that it could easily just be a fear

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without really great

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feel for what the truth is. You know?

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In the same way that they could look

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at Jimmy Smith and say, oh, he was

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a horrible character concern because he smoked a

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little pot to Medicate.

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But then if he did the deeper dive,

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you realized he was a great kid. And,

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Yeah. A lot of teams took him off

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their draft board, you, you know, And I'm

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sure Patrick Mah dad was probably seen as

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a negative.

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Yeah. No Lamar Jackson's mom. Was seen as

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a negative. You know? You know, and look

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how they

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Another 1. Yes. Oh, it's... You know, it's

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just 1 of those... Just 1 of almost,

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like, odd ones where like, a usually

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never has that profile and impact me, the

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bigger ones I think in sports are, like

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La var ball. Right? Yeah.

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With the but the ball brothers. But besides

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that, it's like, it's it's really rare to

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see that that plays that profound of an

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impact. Yeah. In professional sports, but, you know,

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I don't... I'm not thinking much of it,

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especially with him, you know, he wasn't he's

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a Ac. Right? This is not like he

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was a first round pick, and if he's

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not playing, you know, you're Bob Dad's, you

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know, Marching into the front office and

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and give something their robert crap. Like, that's

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not good luck. I'll doing that England, but,

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you. No kidding.

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Yeah. But I'll But, no. I I think

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I think dropped males.

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Like, you know, he has high expectations for

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the kid and and all the Rookie at

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pacific because that's a pretty talented class that.

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That he get... That he gets in his

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first year as a head coach, but I

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I think it'll be just fine. Yeah. I

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kinda have think that guys like Greg Bed,

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probably see the world in a certain way

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or are I used to see in the

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world in a certain way. And when there

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are players that

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don't fit their cultural biases

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that they they end up probably making more

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out of it than than need be.

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And I don't know. Maybe that's unfair to

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Greg,

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but we've seen that before. You you know.

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So we've seen guys go off on Colin

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Cap Nick over things that were just silly

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well before the whole knee thing, which personally

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I thought was sealing was silly, but

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especially with

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you know, 3 veteran

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3 kids who are veterans who who basically

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would say to me,

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nobody gives a fuck about this.

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During the military, 2 Army, 1 marine, and

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they were all and in laws of marine,

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son Laws Marine, and they were all like,

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nobody cares about this except some x

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x veteran football fans who live for this

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stuff and are violating some of our codes

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of

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conduct any way or the way they wear

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flags and display things that really don't matter.

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So I I don't know. I just a

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little bit of that. I,

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you know, it could turn into fire, but

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right now, I just see to smoke. You

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know? Yeah. So so wouldn't... So let's talk

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about sleepers anyway, because Baker obviously is a

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sleeper the character

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part may have been what dropped him, I

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guess,

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and and change in leaving Alabama and having

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a star elsewhere. But

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how do you define the sleeper? You, you

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know, because it's, you know, you you look

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at people out there and it's like, I

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joke. There's a lunch. There's, like, the lunch

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room table crowd of people who, like, who

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who... A lot of them are really good.

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So I'm just making fun of you y'all,

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like, Matt Harmon and I think as part

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of the lunch room table. He's great. We

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love him. He's, you, you know, he's my

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friend, and I and I have mass amount

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of respect from. But if I'm gonna poke

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fun of them, I would say he's... He

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fits the stereotype of the peak blind haircut,

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beard oil

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sponsorship, you know, craft beer, what I'm hearing

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what I'm lifting... What I'm talking about podcast,

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that everyone aspire to wanna be, or at

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least it seems like a big part of

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the population

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wants to aspire to be. And I would

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say a lot of those people are talking

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about folks who are inside, like the the

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15 round. You know, Dante wick. He's a

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sleeper. You know,

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you know? Yeah. And I go, Well, yeah.

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I guess he is a sleeper, but to

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me if to me, that's not a sleeper

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if if, like,

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if the people who only follow that crowd

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of Fantasy analyst

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can spell his name while and e created.

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Hey A vincent round. Then it's a

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qualification that that's

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yourself. Oh man. I think honestly I think

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for the it what kinda quan the sleepers

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is someone the fan, like, even like, the

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die are as of the fan base

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have very little information about or just understand

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who the player is. Yeah. Like, in the

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past I'd say guys, like Philip Lindsey,

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James Robinson,

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you know, I don't know if you can

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classify Poop and Cool I think most people

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knew who he was. Right. At least like

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in in the surf, you know, in the

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fancy and Dia circle, you kinda knew who

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he was. Yeah. Yeah. Give my tricky But

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would you get a... But from the people

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who want to, like,

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who want to basically

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mask their insecurity for not being sure that

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they know enough. If you pick Poo and

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In the sixteenth seventeenth eighteenth round last year.

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Did you get people saying good pick? Or

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did you get people saying,

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who's that guide? Do you want my list

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so that, you, you know, those people who

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are trying funny?

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I think you you got a combination of

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both. Yeah. I... You know, and 1 of

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my leaks just, you know, just it's it's

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a vampire League. It's with a bunch of

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my, you know, bunch of my friends mine,

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my cousins husband's in it, and he's a

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great dude. But all these dudes from, like,

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the east and I'm, I'm a Midwestern.

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And I picked Ko

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Is red overdraft.

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And someone commented they're like,

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Is that a Pokemon character? Right. See what

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I'm saying Yes.

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Oh like, is that like a dave or

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you ask jade. Are you genuinely ask if

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that's a like

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and so,

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it's just like stuff like that. Kinda funny.

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But, like, you know, guys, like, like I

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said, like, James Robinson, like Joe Mc would

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quantify,

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you know, like, like, awesome an Ac. Right?

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Some of those guys that are really under

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the radar dudes, like, you know, out a

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feeling,

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like, like, those are true sleepers to where

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their own team doesn't even know they're that

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good yet. Until they... Until they get on

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Sundays and improve it. Right? So I think

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those are the guys, I think that are

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that quote unquote are sleepers

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that their own team, the, you're, you know,

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you're own fan base

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doesn't quite have the understanding of our level

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of talent. Yeah. I mean, I think to

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me, I would add parameters like,

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probably Guys trap it after around

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17.

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Sure. You know, and a lot of leagues

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don't go that deep. So there's that.

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Guys that

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guys that

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we're not even sure

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the team thinks that they would give them

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a full workload

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if they were to inherit the starting role.

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Like Chai Williams last year was a perfect

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example. I.

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You know, he was a known commodity. He

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went to not or dame. But then by

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year 2, he was all, but kind of

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a forgotten man and people were, like, well,

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Zach Evans is is a hot name now.

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We also have some other guys that might

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spell with him.

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You know, in that back field, I'm mean

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Cam Acres is still considered the guy. So,

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really, Ky Williams, You know, that kind thing.

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I would think even guys like Jaiden and

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Reed last year, were probably center set 17

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Rookie who like,

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the draft knicks new.

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But there's, you know,

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there's guys that people look at and go.

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Yeah.

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Maybe

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maybe in a year or 2 it too

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soon, you know, and then they end up

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being something more. And then I think guys

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who who wind up in that range who

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can deliver at least 5 weeks of consecutive

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strong production, like starter or flex caliber production.

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Like, darius is slight into would be a

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sleeper last year,

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mainly because of how late he went or

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D marcus Robinson,

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how late they they a good 1. You

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know, and you got 4 to 6 weeks

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out of them that was, like, okay. That's...

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I mean, darius late was wide receiver 16

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for, like, a 5 week no. Jones, another

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1. I think it was I was 2

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years ago with Jones, and he had that

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monster stretch. But I mean, yeah absolutely right.

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There's... I think this year is gonna be

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a ton of those guys and there there

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might be some guys that

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before 4 weren't sleepers, and now that qualify.

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Right? Like, guys like were shot bait. Yeah.

412
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Yeah. Guys who were kinda after spots and,

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you know, we're we're we'll talk about him

414
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later probably a little bit, but Michael Thomas.

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Yes. Hey guys who were extremely relevant.

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And now they're more border out of relevant.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, getting the right situation and

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they they might be sleeper. And 1 that

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I think that's not a sleeper per s,

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but someone I think that

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you know, you got a circle of every

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single year as Bread cooks. Yes. Like Dallas

424
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didn't really dig draft another a play maker.

425
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Yeah. Outside of... You know, outside of having

426
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Cd lam, it's,

427
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you have Jake Ferguson.

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You know, They're hoping

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jail in To. They're hoping. You're you're hoping

430
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for Jail and To,

431
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you know, and you have kind of a,

432
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you know, after that you kind of pod

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core. Yeah. But, the Bread Cook is gonna

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be... You know, he's gonna... That push for

435
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100 plus targets. There's no 1... There's no...

436
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And this is gonna be a pass first

437
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tee. Yes. They don't have it was running

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back besides Zeke Elliott,

439
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you know,

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you're not gonna rely on,

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even the rest of their, you know, core

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backs to to give you, you know, can

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system production. So I think it's gonna be

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through the air with that prescott gotten. 1

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of the guys are gonna be a beneficiary

446
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of that is gonna be Branded cooks who

447
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seems to have a thousand yards every single

448
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year. Yeah. And another 1 who is... Who's

449
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a backup version of that who you just

450
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say, listen. It's... If I'm drafting

451
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eighteenth nineteenth third twentieth round.

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And I don't take Noah Brown, and he's

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there? Sure. Why am I not... Why am

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I not doing that? Can are during the

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rapport he's shown with Cj Str, the multiple

456
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opportunities

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to a path for opportunity because he can

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play multiple roles.

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And what he did with those opportunities when

460
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he got it. So it's like, yeah. I

461
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understand that you may be using up a

462
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a roster spot for a reserve, but that's

463
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a reserve I wanna have, because I know

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the minute he gets plugged in. He's gonna

465
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produce. Well, you're you're a hundred percent right.

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Because I think simply, you know, what if

467
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2 other 3 guys get hurt. Yeah. Right?

468
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You know,

469
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what if digs and Dow or, you know,

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kyle 2 to 3. Hurt. Right Yeah.

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This is gonna be a... This is a

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very past heavy... It's a very past heavy

473
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team. Yeah. And

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know, Cj Str a year older. He's gonna

475
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Outlet. He's getting him more. Yeah, I think

476
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no... It's really funny because

477
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my... 1 of my good friends he it's

478
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called the proud fake cd.

479
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You to be watching the games and, you

480
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know, I I have Sunday ticket. I'd put

481
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it lot on my computer.

482
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And he'd be like, did fake Cd score

483
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the touched touchdown or was it actually Cd

484
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lab, like, I have no idea because they're

485
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both the old 85 88. Yeah. So similar

486
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build, So it's like, kinda hard, but but

487
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I think no browns actually 1 of those

488
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guys that.

489
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If he wasn't on the sections,

490
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he could be a company receiver on most

491
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Nfl teams. Yeah. Like, he's is 1 of

492
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those guys that is he's solid everything. He's

493
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not elite anything

494
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but he's good enough to see the field

495
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the receiver sets on

496
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a lot nfl teams. Yeah. I mean, Atlanta

497
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really could have used him to be honest.

498
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Like, when you think under percent. Yeah. A

499
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team or Pittsburgh who's looking for that that

500
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extra receiver.

501
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Now. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's gonna

502
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be fascinating. But let before we get to

503
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Pittsburgh, let's stay in that in that A

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north

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and talk about Cincinnati. Because t higgins, so

506
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certainly, you know,

507
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that looks like they're gonna probably, at some

508
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point, you know, next year, probably he'll be

509
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gone. They're not gonna resign them. So maybe

510
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they trade him

511
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mid season. Maybe they'll try to do that.

512
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And and the thought is you look at

513
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you know, German burton, and he's probably... He's

514
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probably the in crowds favorite sleeper. If we're

515
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gonna side the. He's a sexy and deserved

516
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so.

517
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But then there's Andre Y.

518
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I think that's how you say it. And

519
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anna a Princeton,

520
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And

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1 of the things, you know, you always

522
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get the... He worked with the trainer stories,

523
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and those can get people too excited. But

524
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I know that trainer.

525
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Drew Lieberman. He's been on the Rs show

526
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a number of times And Drew Lieberman is

527
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the

528
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foundation, his work with receivers and what he

529
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define... How he defines techniques

530
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is literally the the foundation

531
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for what I filled up on this board

532
00:19:56,031 --> 00:19:58,656
a few years ago to create my own...

533
00:19:58,895 --> 00:20:02,179
To recreate my criteria and either Sure. Validate

534
00:20:02,489 --> 00:20:02,887
or,

535
00:20:03,523 --> 00:20:04,500
add to it

536
00:20:04,955 --> 00:20:07,182
for how I evaluate receivers, and it really

537
00:20:07,182 --> 00:20:07,682
changed

538
00:20:08,375 --> 00:20:10,538
how I've done as an evaluator of the

539
00:20:10,538 --> 00:20:12,130
position. I give a lot of credit to

540
00:20:12,130 --> 00:20:14,278
him. And he's worked with guys like Brandon

541
00:20:14,278 --> 00:20:14,835
and Ai.

542
00:20:15,313 --> 00:20:17,222
He told me last year about Dante and

543
00:20:17,302 --> 00:20:19,389
Wick. He was like, listen this guy can

544
00:20:19,389 --> 00:20:21,627
be a starter in this league. I'm working

545
00:20:21,627 --> 00:20:23,385
with him. Just give him a year or

546
00:20:23,385 --> 00:20:25,223
2. He's gonna be a lot better than

547
00:20:25,223 --> 00:20:27,461
where he's drafted. I really like him.

548
00:20:28,993 --> 00:20:30,987
Work with Julian Ed, you know, guys like

549
00:20:30,987 --> 00:20:32,422
that. And apparently,

550
00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:36,330
An Y saw Drew Lieberman work and said,

551
00:20:36,808 --> 00:20:37,765
I wanna work with him.

552
00:20:38,659 --> 00:20:40,816
And and he worked with Drew and Drew

553
00:20:40,816 --> 00:20:43,372
was like, he and Chase Brown because he

554
00:20:43,372 --> 00:20:45,210
also wrote... He told Chase to come with

555
00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:45,290
him.

556
00:20:46,023 --> 00:20:48,257
And he said, Chase come down here and

557
00:20:48,257 --> 00:20:49,693
work with Drew with me in Atlanta.

558
00:20:50,491 --> 00:20:52,885
And he and they worked together and apparently,

559
00:20:53,219 --> 00:20:55,874
in the athletic Drew talking about how,

560
00:20:56,251 --> 00:20:58,167
you know, they they were 2 of the

561
00:20:58,167 --> 00:21:00,241
fastest learners he's ever worked with and he

562
00:21:00,241 --> 00:21:02,325
says and part of thing was that neither

563
00:21:02,325 --> 00:21:05,344
really had much knowledge base of route running.

564
00:21:05,503 --> 00:21:07,330
So that might have actually been working in

565
00:21:07,330 --> 00:21:09,157
their favor because they didn't have any bad

566
00:21:09,157 --> 00:21:09,529
habits

567
00:21:10,288 --> 00:21:13,102
to undo. He said, but they've really

568
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,593
improved fast and on and Chase Brown. He

569
00:21:16,593 --> 00:21:18,603
was, like, really, I'm gonna with him running

570
00:21:18,603 --> 00:21:20,596
back. This guy's this guy's gonna be totally

571
00:21:20,596 --> 00:21:23,308
lost. He said, but Brown works so hard.

572
00:21:23,707 --> 00:21:25,382
And now he looks like a receiver and,

573
00:21:25,542 --> 00:21:28,428
like, that, like, they're, you know, you're starting

574
00:21:28,428 --> 00:21:30,344
to see things like that, and I think

575
00:21:30,344 --> 00:21:31,083
with Y

576
00:21:32,179 --> 00:21:34,733
as an outside presence with the speed we

577
00:21:34,733 --> 00:21:35,451
know we has.

578
00:21:36,342 --> 00:21:39,382
Could he be really the tipping point

579
00:21:40,151 --> 00:21:41,207
for t higgins

580
00:21:42,056 --> 00:21:44,278
get end ending up getting traded away mid

581
00:21:44,278 --> 00:21:46,286
season if you combine him and Burton.

582
00:21:46,924 --> 00:21:48,600
Yeah. I think it's gonna be interesting because...

583
00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:50,116
You kinda brought up a good point with

584
00:21:50,276 --> 00:21:51,733
Oc because I think

585
00:21:52,191 --> 00:21:54,680
you look at his size his speed... Just

586
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,075
the athletic makeup, you know, and just the

587
00:21:57,075 --> 00:21:58,991
raw he has and brings the table.

588
00:22:00,747 --> 00:22:02,836
If t higgins is gone. Let's say he

589
00:22:02,836 --> 00:22:03,713
is in mid season.

590
00:22:06,025 --> 00:22:08,497
Who who else you have Charlie Charlie Jones

591
00:22:08,497 --> 00:22:11,224
and, Yeah. You know, J Burton and Kw

592
00:22:11,224 --> 00:22:14,180
las the second. Kw. Yeah. You don't have...

593
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:16,257
Like, you don't have a next a next

594
00:22:16,257 --> 00:22:17,536
guy up. You don't have a you have

595
00:22:17,536 --> 00:22:18,095
a second half.

596
00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:21,626
I think E stevens can push for that.

597
00:22:21,865 --> 00:22:24,023
And I also think too an interesting part

598
00:22:24,023 --> 00:22:26,760
of what I hope that offense becomes

599
00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:28,607
is without Tyler,

600
00:22:31,046 --> 00:22:34,621
there is that slot position opens up.

601
00:22:35,987 --> 00:22:38,157
And either they're gonna be moving,

602
00:22:38,770 --> 00:22:40,520
Chase around much more, which I think would

603
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,474
would be beneficial.

604
00:22:42,190 --> 00:22:42,690
Or

605
00:22:43,701 --> 00:22:45,093
again like E cv

606
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:48,262
has kind of that big slot roll in

607
00:22:48,262 --> 00:22:51,109
some packages and and really can just fight

608
00:22:51,229 --> 00:22:52,659
is footing in the week. Because that's gonna

609
00:22:52,659 --> 00:22:54,249
be a big 1. Right? Get them on,

610
00:22:54,328 --> 00:22:56,474
you know, get them on safe these, blind

611
00:22:56,474 --> 00:22:56,872
backers,

612
00:22:57,746 --> 00:22:59,668
slot cores who are tick slower than him,

613
00:23:00,225 --> 00:23:03,006
just create mismatch with the guy. So that's

614
00:23:03,006 --> 00:23:04,833
gonna be something night you kinda watch. Because

615
00:23:04,913 --> 00:23:06,916
J Burton could slide in rolls well. Right?

616
00:23:07,156 --> 00:23:08,670
I I think German main bert... Huge main

617
00:23:08,670 --> 00:23:10,184
burns guy I'm drafting and everything single draft.

618
00:23:10,423 --> 00:23:12,335
Yeah. So I do think Tia has gone

619
00:23:12,335 --> 00:23:12,733
next year.

620
00:23:13,944 --> 00:23:15,139
I think your germ main burton is a

621
00:23:15,139 --> 00:23:17,210
better version of what t against can bring

622
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:20,397
the table because more multi dimensional can bump

623
00:23:20,397 --> 00:23:20,796
inside.

624
00:23:21,367 --> 00:23:23,932
You know, better after the captain tea is

625
00:23:24,226 --> 00:23:26,291
and, you know, has proven durable, which is

626
00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:27,958
I think the biggest thing with T higgins

627
00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:30,753
is is the lack of durability. Right? Is

628
00:23:30,753 --> 00:23:32,263
he gonna be healthy for the playoffs?

629
00:23:32,740 --> 00:23:34,170
And that's the question that you don't have

630
00:23:34,170 --> 00:23:35,760
the answer for you again. Some years is

631
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,873
yes, Some years no.

632
00:23:37,509 --> 00:23:38,009
But

633
00:23:38,542 --> 00:23:39,257
that being said,

634
00:23:40,225 --> 00:23:41,652
there is a significant opening.

635
00:23:42,207 --> 00:23:44,586
If Tia higgins his mid season gets traded

636
00:23:44,586 --> 00:23:46,886
and whatnot, you know, gets his deal.

637
00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:51,432
Then there is significant targets open up in

638
00:23:51,432 --> 00:23:53,579
that offense, because it's not just gonna be

639
00:23:53,579 --> 00:23:55,964
martin chase with 220. You know, that's... I

640
00:23:55,964 --> 00:23:57,237
it's gonna work. So there's gonna be a

641
00:23:57,237 --> 00:23:59,970
second second and third option. But is it

642
00:23:59,970 --> 00:24:00,710
gonna be

643
00:24:01,009 --> 00:24:03,429
burden Io? You know, is it gonna be

644
00:24:03,490 --> 00:24:05,659
burton Charlie Jones. I like Charlie, Jones too.

645
00:24:05,897 --> 00:24:07,326
I liked him coming out of Purdue. I

646
00:24:07,326 --> 00:24:09,548
thought he was a really interesting player that

647
00:24:09,548 --> 00:24:11,397
could play in the slot, and I think

648
00:24:11,452 --> 00:24:12,801
he might get up opportunity to be the

649
00:24:12,801 --> 00:24:15,362
first guy up in that tyler boyd type

650
00:24:15,362 --> 00:24:17,831
role. So he's definitely gonna... He quan as

651
00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:18,388
the sleeper,

652
00:24:19,105 --> 00:24:20,618
and and someone I'm keeping my eye as

653
00:24:20,618 --> 00:24:22,313
well. No. I love it. So

654
00:24:22,863 --> 00:24:24,536
just as a follow up, you brought up

655
00:24:24,536 --> 00:24:26,527
tea higgins and injury, then I think of

656
00:24:26,686 --> 00:24:28,519
Mike Williams and injury,

657
00:24:30,112 --> 00:24:32,356
and they're both kind of big ball winning

658
00:24:32,356 --> 00:24:34,663
guys at the boundary. Is there anything to

659
00:24:34,663 --> 00:24:36,572
that to the person who might ask that

660
00:24:36,572 --> 00:24:38,163
question and say, do I need to keep

661
00:24:38,163 --> 00:24:40,174
an eye out for some of these old

662
00:24:40,174 --> 00:24:42,515
time ball winners at the at the boundary

663
00:24:42,575 --> 00:24:44,994
who don't have maybe complete route games

664
00:24:45,455 --> 00:24:48,269
at the level that a primary would, that

665
00:24:48,429 --> 00:24:50,269
I need to worry about them more. Oh,

666
00:24:50,429 --> 00:24:52,929
man. That's a really good question. I think

667
00:24:54,269 --> 00:24:56,761
the answer to that is Yeah. Because I

668
00:24:56,761 --> 00:24:59,313
think, you know, the large you are, larger

669
00:24:59,313 --> 00:25:01,227
frame human being you are. Right? The more

670
00:25:01,227 --> 00:25:02,343
mass you tend to carry.

671
00:25:03,061 --> 00:25:04,655
The more matthew tend to carry, the more

672
00:25:04,655 --> 00:25:07,001
force produce. More force you produce the more

673
00:25:07,138 --> 00:25:08,888
strain puts on your muscles tend to joints,

674
00:25:09,048 --> 00:25:09,923
l, etcetera.

675
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:11,059
So

676
00:25:11,514 --> 00:25:13,424
I think that's why the mis number of

677
00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:15,820
small guys get hurt actually bigger guys are

678
00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:16,772
more prone to injury,

679
00:25:17,406 --> 00:25:19,864
than smaller guys are. In my opinion, is

680
00:25:19,864 --> 00:25:21,528
just even talk about the soft tissue variety.

681
00:25:21,846 --> 00:25:21,980
So

682
00:25:22,735 --> 00:25:25,596
like, guys like Vodka Smith had much healthier

683
00:25:25,596 --> 00:25:27,504
career so far than the Guy T higgins

684
00:25:27,504 --> 00:25:30,063
who's very opposite prototype in terms of bill.

685
00:25:31,336 --> 00:25:33,086
But, yeah, I I think you look at,

686
00:25:33,245 --> 00:25:35,336
you know, past injuries the biggest predictor

687
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:36,109
of,

688
00:25:38,197 --> 00:25:40,591
future injury. But I think you also look

689
00:25:40,591 --> 00:25:41,789
at build,

690
00:25:42,427 --> 00:25:44,503
how they move? Right? You know, are they

691
00:25:44,503 --> 00:25:46,352
are they fluid movers or are they are

692
00:25:46,352 --> 00:25:48,895
they chop or more abrupt and just things

693
00:25:48,895 --> 00:25:50,563
like that, But I think it's hard to

694
00:25:50,563 --> 00:25:51,301
just say

695
00:25:51,755 --> 00:25:54,377
this body type means more injury, but I

696
00:25:54,377 --> 00:25:54,750
think

697
00:25:55,188 --> 00:25:56,325
larger frame

698
00:25:56,702 --> 00:25:57,101
players,

699
00:25:57,658 --> 00:25:58,694
especially at the rest of your position,

700
00:26:00,209 --> 00:26:01,346
need to take

701
00:26:02,041 --> 00:26:03,750
more air of their bodies

702
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,826
and need to take more steps in a

703
00:26:06,826 --> 00:26:07,541
guy like, let's say

704
00:26:08,256 --> 00:26:09,980
Smith, who's not outputting as much on

705
00:26:10,498 --> 00:26:12,332
down to down basis. But also to...

706
00:26:13,529 --> 00:26:16,320
So that's before, this comes with, you know,

707
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,750
the sports science and medical staff being the

708
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:22,074
4 front of operations of those guys. Right?

709
00:26:22,312 --> 00:26:24,939
Those guys need volume restrictions on a on

710
00:26:24,939 --> 00:26:26,610
a practice basis. Right?

711
00:26:27,246 --> 00:26:28,997
You know, when you talk about daily allot

712
00:26:28,997 --> 00:26:30,528
and you know, if you have a 90

713
00:26:30,528 --> 00:26:32,526
minute practice and, you know, tea h you're

714
00:26:32,526 --> 00:26:35,003
running a total of 3 miles and back

715
00:26:35,003 --> 00:26:37,401
to back days, lots of recipe for disaster.

716
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,014
And that's why a lot of injuries happen

717
00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:40,932
just simple over overuse of the, you know,

718
00:26:41,092 --> 00:26:43,090
10 joints L been taking such a pounding

719
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:45,088
on a on a, day to day basis.

720
00:26:46,366 --> 00:26:48,180
So... So I think that's a bigger 1

721
00:26:48,299 --> 00:26:50,214
me. That's a great answer, and that what

722
00:26:50,214 --> 00:26:52,288
that really tells you too is that maybe

723
00:26:52,288 --> 00:26:54,123
what you'd... How you approach that from a

724
00:26:54,123 --> 00:26:55,375
practical angle is

725
00:26:56,528 --> 00:26:58,198
you want them to prove to you that

726
00:26:58,198 --> 00:27:00,664
they figured it out that they figured out

727
00:27:00,664 --> 00:27:02,176
how to take care of themselves because I

728
00:27:02,176 --> 00:27:04,340
know I remember my buddy of the program,

729
00:27:04,499 --> 00:27:07,444
Eric Stone or former contributor with Choke said

730
00:27:07,523 --> 00:27:09,195
I'm waiting for Dk dk Med cap to

731
00:27:09,195 --> 00:27:10,866
run out of his his l.

732
00:27:11,264 --> 00:27:13,425
You know, basic to just, like, run right

733
00:27:13,425 --> 00:27:14,640
out, you know, basically

734
00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:17,634
separate his ham from his from his bone,

735
00:27:18,746 --> 00:27:20,810
at some point du in his career, at

736
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:23,131
least early on. Because you thought wow this

737
00:27:23,131 --> 00:27:24,426
guy's too big for his

738
00:27:24,801 --> 00:27:27,506
his bridges is basically as an athlete. But

739
00:27:27,506 --> 00:27:28,062
so far,

740
00:27:28,794 --> 00:27:30,464
He's been pretty good. He's been pretty good

741
00:27:30,464 --> 00:27:33,090
at Keeping. But he's been he's kind of

742
00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:34,921
those freak Athletes man because he... You know,

743
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,640
he he's he talks about eating, like, skittles

744
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,945
and all his stuff and, like, he's his

745
00:27:39,945 --> 00:27:42,489
diet is basically candy. It's crazy. But... But,

746
00:27:42,568 --> 00:27:43,681
yeah, I mean, a lot of times like,

747
00:27:45,051 --> 00:27:46,269
you gotta look at

748
00:27:47,284 --> 00:27:49,140
previous injury, but also to,

749
00:27:49,677 --> 00:27:51,990
like, build an archetype, like S juan Barclays,

750
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:52,787
for example.

751
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:55,279
Like, he was 1 when you when he

752
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:56,720
came in into his lead which just how

753
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,240
erratic he was as a mover. I mean,

754
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,400
absolutely spectacular guy,

755
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,535
Sean Mis, movement,

756
00:28:03,050 --> 00:28:04,876
he he does a great segue on this

757
00:28:04,876 --> 00:28:07,496
too in segment I should say. But with

758
00:28:07,496 --> 00:28:08,052
sai Juan,

759
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:11,088
every... Nothing was really pre your gained. Like,

760
00:28:11,247 --> 00:28:12,546
everything was

761
00:28:13,083 --> 00:28:13,982
in the moment

762
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:15,260
and

763
00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:18,990
spectacular like, the spin move, just the dead

764
00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:21,081
leg, just the just a d the A

765
00:28:21,081 --> 00:28:22,858
cell. Just the just the multi

766
00:28:23,236 --> 00:28:25,392
dimensional cape capabilities the mover head. He had.

767
00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:27,946
But also with danger into that when you're

768
00:28:27,946 --> 00:28:28,585
230.

769
00:28:29,078 --> 00:28:32,048
Yep. That's the biggest thing. Yeah. So

770
00:28:32,584 --> 00:28:34,496
he's not making those cuts and and, you

771
00:28:34,496 --> 00:28:37,936
know, at Jam gibbs weight. Yeah. Right. And

772
00:28:37,936 --> 00:28:39,928
so that's kind of the difficult part is...

773
00:28:40,405 --> 00:28:42,477
Yes. You can you can do that, but

774
00:28:42,477 --> 00:28:42,977
there's

775
00:28:43,526 --> 00:28:45,669
I'm constrained to that if you don't figure

776
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:47,359
out how to make those

777
00:28:47,732 --> 00:28:48,129
movements,

778
00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:50,114
more fluid more control,

779
00:28:50,907 --> 00:28:52,589
but lack of control is a big 1

780
00:28:52,589 --> 00:28:53,304
there too. But

781
00:28:54,097 --> 00:28:56,558
but, yeah. I'm not gonna ramble on about

782
00:28:56,558 --> 00:28:57,296
this, but

783
00:28:58,383 --> 00:29:01,413
it's harder to definitely for for larger framed

784
00:29:01,413 --> 00:29:03,634
athletes. It's definitely harder to stay healthy and

785
00:29:03,634 --> 00:29:06,117
durable consistently just because of what your body's

786
00:29:06,252 --> 00:29:08,566
being asked to do down to down. No.

787
00:29:08,883 --> 00:29:10,310
Without a doubt. And I think that that's,

788
00:29:10,469 --> 00:29:12,713
you know, I think that's worthwhile is that

789
00:29:12,768 --> 00:29:14,927
there's something to it, but you kinda have

790
00:29:14,927 --> 00:29:16,363
to take it on a case by case

791
00:29:16,363 --> 00:29:16,863
basis

792
00:29:17,878 --> 00:29:20,191
With these players and and go from there.

793
00:29:20,351 --> 00:29:22,345
Well, let's stay in the nfc North and

794
00:29:22,345 --> 00:29:23,860
talk about a smaller player.

795
00:29:25,226 --> 00:29:27,291
A guy that at least when I watched

796
00:29:27,291 --> 00:29:29,539
commitment. Because Calvin Austin to me

797
00:29:30,548 --> 00:29:32,240
was in the same kind of physical

798
00:29:32,613 --> 00:29:34,459
archetype as Wand dale Robinson.

799
00:29:36,056 --> 00:29:39,571
But I thought was the better player. I

800
00:29:39,571 --> 00:29:41,824
thought he was better against man to man

801
00:29:41,824 --> 00:29:44,461
coverage. He was capable against man to demand

802
00:29:44,461 --> 00:29:46,299
coverage. He could put him on the outside

803
00:29:46,299 --> 00:29:48,057
and he could win contested plays.

804
00:29:48,697 --> 00:29:50,375
And he was a little faster than 1

805
00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:51,981
day 1. Someone 1 day it was pretty

806
00:29:51,981 --> 00:29:52,299
fast,

807
00:29:53,412 --> 00:29:55,080
pretty... And pretty quick too.

808
00:29:55,716 --> 00:29:57,941
And Austin made a little bit of noise

809
00:29:57,941 --> 00:30:00,420
early on this time 2 years ago, you

810
00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:02,172
know, where they were like, wow. This guy

811
00:30:02,172 --> 00:30:04,162
can really move and they really were taken

812
00:30:04,162 --> 00:30:05,753
note of them, but he couldn't stay healthy.

813
00:30:06,231 --> 00:30:08,713
And then last year, He had some moments

814
00:30:08,713 --> 00:30:10,781
on the field where he made a couple

815
00:30:10,781 --> 00:30:12,952
of big plays, but really didn't,

816
00:30:13,406 --> 00:30:14,383
you know, didn't

817
00:30:15,094 --> 00:30:16,852
establish a foothold. And part of that too

818
00:30:16,852 --> 00:30:17,911
is that it was a

819
00:30:18,370 --> 00:30:19,590
rotating cara.

820
00:30:19,969 --> 00:30:21,747
It was a cara aerosol of quarterback

821
00:30:22,206 --> 00:30:23,745
in aptitude. So

822
00:30:24,059 --> 00:30:26,397
you know, could Calvin Austin

823
00:30:27,335 --> 00:30:30,232
be the true sleeper in a receiving core

824
00:30:30,691 --> 00:30:31,191
where

825
00:30:31,983 --> 00:30:34,451
you know, Roman Wilson is considered the guide

826
00:30:34,451 --> 00:30:36,759
that's gonna determine whether or not Pittsburgh gets

827
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:39,567
us start... Gets a veteran receiver this.

828
00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:41,296
But to me,

829
00:30:41,789 --> 00:30:42,108
you know,

830
00:30:42,826 --> 00:30:45,218
is Kevin Austin moore that option.

831
00:30:45,936 --> 00:30:47,850
What does that say, you know, where do

832
00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:50,083
you look at Roman Wilson at this point

833
00:30:50,083 --> 00:30:52,009
in his career? Yeah. And compare him to

834
00:30:52,168 --> 00:30:52,986
Calvin, Austin

835
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,222
and why and do you feel that way

836
00:30:56,222 --> 00:30:58,527
about Austin or do you feel differently about

837
00:30:58,527 --> 00:31:01,166
them? It's interesting because I think An Awesome

838
00:31:01,166 --> 00:31:02,279
similar gonna 2 2 at well.

839
00:31:04,188 --> 00:31:06,494
Build, you know, obviously, speed,

840
00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:08,879
explosive, just to building to kinda of win

841
00:31:08,879 --> 00:31:10,231
the ball to at his size.

842
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,054
But the difference between Sean Mc

843
00:31:13,986 --> 00:31:15,043
and arthur the Smith

844
00:31:15,577 --> 00:31:16,634
is motion

845
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:17,749
and creativity.

846
00:31:18,535 --> 00:31:20,674
Arthur Smith is not the most creative play

847
00:31:20,674 --> 00:31:23,051
collar. Right? We've kind of figured that out.

848
00:31:23,288 --> 00:31:25,682
Especially with this lack of usage of. Robinson.

849
00:31:25,841 --> 00:31:26,557
That was a big 1.

850
00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:29,737
But also too, like, if you kinda look

851
00:31:29,737 --> 00:31:30,237
at

852
00:31:31,089 --> 00:31:33,236
what Arthur Smith likes to do... Everything's kinda

853
00:31:33,236 --> 00:31:35,796
predicated off the run. So, like, not Harris

854
00:31:35,796 --> 00:31:37,011
and the company there

855
00:31:37,704 --> 00:31:39,214
are gonna get a lot of looks in

856
00:31:39,214 --> 00:31:40,168
the past game too.

857
00:31:42,076 --> 00:31:42,894
If they

858
00:31:43,522 --> 00:31:45,273
Arthur Smith took a page out of Sham

859
00:31:45,433 --> 00:31:47,127
Bay playbook. They're in a

860
00:31:47,502 --> 00:31:49,355
motion heck out of Calvin.

861
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:50,788
Utilized him

862
00:31:51,179 --> 00:31:52,693
you know, kind of a that as that

863
00:31:52,693 --> 00:31:56,278
movement z receiver, use across the field, really

864
00:31:56,278 --> 00:31:57,711
hard to stay with a guy like that

865
00:31:57,711 --> 00:32:00,517
as of capabilities and cable is after catch.

866
00:32:01,792 --> 00:32:04,285
But that's gonna be something to, like, Arthur

867
00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:05,960
it's gonna have to reinvent

868
00:32:06,336 --> 00:32:07,387
himself in it. In a away.

869
00:32:08,263 --> 00:32:10,731
He utilize Calvin Austin in in a sensor,

870
00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:12,085
he can be a play maker for that

871
00:32:12,085 --> 00:32:13,915
offense, because he absolutely can be an in

872
00:32:13,915 --> 00:32:14,711
some situations.

873
00:32:15,442 --> 00:32:16,894
Roman Wilson kind of your

874
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:19,965
dirty work receiver, I would say,

875
00:32:20,837 --> 00:32:21,948
great blocker of physical,

876
00:32:24,029 --> 00:32:24,828
reliable in a sense.

877
00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:27,306
I don't think he's a world beater of

878
00:32:27,306 --> 00:32:27,865
a talent.

879
00:32:28,824 --> 00:32:30,822
Didn't it produce much at all at the

880
00:32:30,902 --> 00:32:33,275
C level, but he's someone that Arthur Smith

881
00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:34,769
might prefer

882
00:32:35,462 --> 00:32:37,531
because he helps the run game as an

883
00:32:37,531 --> 00:32:38,963
extension of the run game. Right? He he's

884
00:32:38,963 --> 00:32:40,259
gonna be able to

885
00:32:41,207 --> 00:32:42,723
you know, motion in and and pick up

886
00:32:42,723 --> 00:32:44,876
a back. Right? Just things like that where

887
00:32:44,876 --> 00:32:46,312
he can be on the field, And you

888
00:32:46,312 --> 00:32:48,247
have to worry about the situations

889
00:32:48,625 --> 00:32:50,894
because he's able to be serviceable

890
00:32:51,434 --> 00:32:53,595
in the areas that are Smith likes to

891
00:32:53,595 --> 00:32:53,994
play with it.

892
00:32:55,195 --> 00:32:56,634
But I I mean, you know, if it's

893
00:32:56,634 --> 00:32:58,894
me, I would much rather prefer

894
00:32:59,195 --> 00:33:01,205
how an often I'm a play car, because

895
00:33:01,205 --> 00:33:03,221
he just opens up so much from a,

896
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:06,310
like, a a dynamic standpoint. But I think,

897
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:09,795
Arthur Smith, you know, he he likes his

898
00:33:09,994 --> 00:33:11,115
highlands type players.

899
00:33:11,674 --> 00:33:12,315
Right? Yeah.

900
00:33:13,355 --> 00:33:15,914
But I think he prefers that over, you

901
00:33:15,914 --> 00:33:18,326
know, your your Cabo austin your 2 2

902
00:33:18,326 --> 00:33:20,481
at wells. And that that makes sense. You

903
00:33:20,481 --> 00:33:23,593
know, the only defense I could possibly supply

904
00:33:23,593 --> 00:33:23,753
to,

905
00:33:25,845 --> 00:33:27,544
Arthur Smith is that

906
00:33:28,164 --> 00:33:30,644
Desmond Ritter was so crap fantastic as a

907
00:33:30,644 --> 00:33:31,144
quarterback

908
00:33:31,765 --> 00:33:33,444
that you kind of had nice. Let's pretty

909
00:33:33,444 --> 00:33:35,779
at nice you know, you had to par

910
00:33:35,779 --> 00:33:38,200
down your offense on a certain level

911
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:39,880
to make things simple

912
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:42,500
so that he didn't screw things up, which

913
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,588
means maybe he to fall on a sword

914
00:33:44,588 --> 00:33:48,348
as a play collar and look really bad

915
00:33:48,882 --> 00:33:50,257
because nothing was dynamic

916
00:33:50,631 --> 00:33:53,039
because his quarterback couldn't handle that dynamic

917
00:33:53,907 --> 00:33:57,092
adjustment ability to adjust and make plays without

918
00:33:57,092 --> 00:33:58,287
making a lot of mistakes.

919
00:33:59,322 --> 00:34:02,364
And maybe he felt saddle with ritter you,

920
00:34:02,443 --> 00:34:04,757
you know, by year 2 and said, wow,

921
00:34:05,075 --> 00:34:07,330
This isn't working, and we have nobody else

922
00:34:07,548 --> 00:34:10,021
that we feel really strongly about. Let's just

923
00:34:10,021 --> 00:34:12,070
keep it simple. But then you go back

924
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:12,768
to Tennessee,

925
00:34:13,537 --> 00:34:15,521
And could you make the same argument with

926
00:34:15,521 --> 00:34:18,377
the quarterback there to a lesser extent maybe

927
00:34:18,377 --> 00:34:20,494
so. And the receiving court, take a look

928
00:34:20,614 --> 00:34:21,434
it too. Wasn't

929
00:34:22,053 --> 00:34:24,770
yeah. Was it all that good? Yeah. So,

930
00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:26,768
you know, we'll see. This may be the

931
00:34:26,768 --> 00:34:28,846
true test where we get to see for

932
00:34:28,846 --> 00:34:31,175
sure whether or not It's Arthur Smith being

933
00:34:31,175 --> 00:34:33,829
just the state dyed in the world conservative

934
00:34:33,888 --> 00:34:35,963
of a of a play collar.

935
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,445
And scheme practitioner or whether or not he's,

936
00:34:40,525 --> 00:34:42,359
like, no. Now that I've got some tools

937
00:34:42,359 --> 00:34:43,077
to work with,

938
00:34:44,034 --> 00:34:46,267
maybe we'll do a little bit more. But

939
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,328
But, yeah, I think it's a great analysis

940
00:34:49,543 --> 00:34:52,164
because, yeah, It's true. I mean, Austin, Austin

941
00:34:52,164 --> 00:34:52,561
to me,

942
00:34:53,356 --> 00:34:55,523
it could be too 2 out well, But

943
00:34:55,523 --> 00:34:57,361
maybe the other side of that equation could

944
00:34:57,361 --> 00:34:58,240
be Doug Baldwin.

945
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,117
Maybe it could maybe it could eventually... He

946
00:35:01,117 --> 00:35:01,936
could be a

947
00:35:03,446 --> 00:35:05,855
middle class Doug Baldwin, Russell Wilson

948
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:07,742
in this. I think it's a bit of

949
00:35:07,742 --> 00:35:09,651
a stretch if we, you know, at this

950
00:35:09,651 --> 00:35:11,893
stage for that to happen. But when you're

951
00:35:11,893 --> 00:35:14,685
trying to project what the the sealing outcome

952
00:35:14,685 --> 00:35:15,083
could be.

953
00:35:15,801 --> 00:35:18,034
There's some of that that's possible with his

954
00:35:18,034 --> 00:35:19,789
skills paired with Russell Wilson. Yeah.

955
00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:21,086
Especially

956
00:35:22,037 --> 00:35:24,350
especially if they do get that next receiver.

957
00:35:24,988 --> 00:35:27,062
And maybe that receiver Michael Thomas,

958
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:29,454
you know, if you think of a place

959
00:35:29,454 --> 00:35:31,463
where he could be a good fit, Arthur

960
00:35:31,623 --> 00:35:34,175
Smith wants to throw the ball target the

961
00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:36,487
middle of the field. Michael Thomas is a

962
00:35:36,487 --> 00:35:38,481
stud in the middle of the field. But

963
00:35:38,481 --> 00:35:41,284
you can imagine now, again, we're stretching the

964
00:35:41,284 --> 00:35:44,141
bounds of Arthur Smith's abilities here based on

965
00:35:44,141 --> 00:35:46,840
what we've seen. But, you know, if you

966
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,797
did motion the Austin around, or you motion

967
00:35:49,797 --> 00:35:52,346
him and Thomas around so that Thomas was

968
00:35:52,346 --> 00:35:53,483
kind of the boundary,

969
00:35:54,258 --> 00:35:56,170
the boundary threat in the red zone.

970
00:35:56,807 --> 00:35:58,896
You allow Austin to be the play action

971
00:35:58,896 --> 00:36:00,913
vertical threat up the boundary

972
00:36:01,291 --> 00:36:03,925
on, you know, on the play action looks

973
00:36:03,925 --> 00:36:06,454
and post routes. And then Thomas is more

974
00:36:06,893 --> 00:36:10,025
inside more often, you get the run game

975
00:36:10,084 --> 00:36:13,035
blocking that he's capable of. And then you

976
00:36:13,035 --> 00:36:15,609
get the you get the tied in plus

977
00:36:15,667 --> 00:36:16,167
dynamic

978
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,036
route guy who could win 1 on 1

979
00:36:19,036 --> 00:36:21,274
from the slot that would really help Russell

980
00:36:21,354 --> 00:36:23,772
Wilson have a guy that he hasn't had

981
00:36:24,151 --> 00:36:25,370
since he was in Seattle

982
00:36:25,923 --> 00:36:29,182
anywhere even close on par. Right. So do

983
00:36:29,182 --> 00:36:31,012
you, you know, do you like the idea

984
00:36:31,012 --> 00:36:32,443
of him there? Or do you think I

985
00:36:32,443 --> 00:36:35,645
just invented a casting alternate to reality. And

986
00:36:35,885 --> 00:36:37,901
my feelings won't be heard on that. We're

987
00:36:38,439 --> 00:36:40,934
on. No. It's funny because I do think

988
00:36:41,152 --> 00:36:44,039
they're gonna add somebody. Right. We've kinda seen

989
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,510
the smoke with Brand I if that ever

990
00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:48,685
comes a. I don't know. But

991
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:50,816
I do think with George Pick,

992
00:36:52,822 --> 00:36:54,596
and adding someone

993
00:36:55,608 --> 00:36:58,953
larger bodied receiver. Right? We could play inside.

994
00:37:00,323 --> 00:37:02,818
That makes it a lot harder for defenses

995
00:37:03,275 --> 00:37:05,350
kia on pi. And he's the guy that

996
00:37:05,350 --> 00:37:06,786
offense at receiver. Right?

997
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,387
So I think in that capacity, it makes

998
00:37:10,387 --> 00:37:11,503
it easier for us, Wilson.

999
00:37:12,379 --> 00:37:13,813
Makes it easier for George Pick to do

1000
00:37:13,813 --> 00:37:16,521
his thing, especially vertically. Yep. Right? It takes

1001
00:37:16,521 --> 00:37:19,870
pressure off him to be to make a

1002
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:21,615
profound impact on the first and second left.

1003
00:37:21,853 --> 00:37:24,829
Because really he's a he's a vertical receiver

1004
00:37:24,889 --> 00:37:26,188
who has to

1005
00:37:27,286 --> 00:37:27,786
understand

1006
00:37:29,124 --> 00:37:30,642
the game within the game at the first

1007
00:37:30,642 --> 00:37:32,800
and second level that he just hasn't done

1008
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,654
yet. Right? That's a learning curve for him.

1009
00:37:35,295 --> 00:37:36,674
Learning me from 1 of the best

1010
00:37:36,974 --> 00:37:39,614
middle the field or receivers in the past

1011
00:37:39,614 --> 00:37:40,014
decade.

1012
00:37:40,494 --> 00:37:42,189
I think isn't a bad thing for in

1013
00:37:42,189 --> 00:37:44,906
that offense. Yeah. So I think it's definitely

1014
00:37:44,906 --> 00:37:47,064
something that could happen. And it frees up

1015
00:37:47,064 --> 00:37:49,061
that fry moves a little more too. Yeah.

1016
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:50,260
He could he could be it. He could...

1017
00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:51,947
Yeah. Yeah. Gonna say, he he could be

1018
00:37:51,947 --> 00:37:53,775
your... He could be a big time seam

1019
00:37:53,775 --> 00:37:53,934
threat.

1020
00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:56,637
You know, and it does a lot for...

1021
00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:58,679
It does a lot for that offense. I

1022
00:37:58,798 --> 00:38:00,387
thing to add someone like that,

1023
00:38:01,498 --> 00:38:03,086
who might be kind of at the, you

1024
00:38:03,086 --> 00:38:04,436
know, kind of at the

1025
00:38:04,833 --> 00:38:06,739
Apex plus of his career rate,

1026
00:38:07,375 --> 00:38:07,875
And

1027
00:38:08,263 --> 00:38:10,405
might just be more of a 1 trick

1028
00:38:10,405 --> 00:38:12,389
pony in this sense. Yeah. But a good...

1029
00:38:12,547 --> 00:38:13,340
It's a good trick.

1030
00:38:15,244 --> 00:38:17,645
I I think I think for that offense,

1031
00:38:17,804 --> 00:38:18,760
it makes sense to me.

1032
00:38:20,115 --> 00:38:21,549
You know, it's 1 of those interesting ones

1033
00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:22,049
where

1034
00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:23,835
I think he might wait for

1035
00:38:24,433 --> 00:38:26,588
a contender to have an injury or something

1036
00:38:26,588 --> 00:38:28,345
like that. So let's say like, mike Williams

1037
00:38:28,345 --> 00:38:30,341
goes down in in in New York and

1038
00:38:30,341 --> 00:38:32,975
the jets are hot and rogers needs another

1039
00:38:32,975 --> 00:38:35,291
target facets of that. He's someone I think

1040
00:38:35,291 --> 00:38:36,401
they would call on. Yeah.

1041
00:38:37,193 --> 00:38:39,490
Just teams like that, you know, the bang

1042
00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:42,126
make sense to if, you know, they wanna

1043
00:38:42,126 --> 00:38:44,194
move on from tea or tease her, they're

1044
00:38:44,194 --> 00:38:46,342
making a push and girl need to second

1045
00:38:46,342 --> 00:38:48,027
option over than Chase. Yeah. Sure.

1046
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,811
But I think in in terms of, like,

1047
00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:53,514
the the near term, this steelers make a

1048
00:38:53,514 --> 00:38:56,297
lot of sense too. Would would Atlanta be

1049
00:38:56,297 --> 00:38:58,697
1 if the Atlanta got hot kirk proves

1050
00:38:58,697 --> 00:39:01,399
that he's healthy enough to keep rolling and

1051
00:39:01,399 --> 00:39:03,385
that he doesn't have the issues talked about,

1052
00:39:03,623 --> 00:39:05,054
and then he can stick it to the

1053
00:39:05,054 --> 00:39:05,927
saints twice a year.

1054
00:39:06,899 --> 00:39:09,695
Maybe. I I think, you know, in look

1055
00:39:09,695 --> 00:39:11,533
looking at that offense too, I think, you

1056
00:39:11,533 --> 00:39:13,530
know, Darn Moon is gonna... He he actually

1057
00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:15,459
signed for good of money too. Yeah. So

1058
00:39:15,618 --> 00:39:17,769
I think he's actually a viable second option.

1059
00:39:19,203 --> 00:39:21,115
I don't know. I I think, you know,

1060
00:39:21,274 --> 00:39:22,867
it could be 1 of those Leo Jones

1061
00:39:22,867 --> 00:39:24,791
so the Eagles type deals where it's like,

1062
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:27,017
Yeah. You know, the end is... The end

1063
00:39:27,017 --> 00:39:29,163
is near, but he can he can make

1064
00:39:29,163 --> 00:39:30,673
c place for you the red zone and

1065
00:39:30,673 --> 00:39:33,387
in in it in situation, It just really

1066
00:39:33,387 --> 00:39:34,974
depends on how much he has left, you

1067
00:39:34,974 --> 00:39:35,870
know, and

1068
00:39:36,322 --> 00:39:38,068
in what his legs allow to do. Yeah.

1069
00:39:38,306 --> 00:39:40,310
Like, he's just been, you know, ever since

1070
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:43,175
his initial injury. It just been it's been

1071
00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:45,562
downhill for the last what 4 years. So

1072
00:39:45,562 --> 00:39:46,693
played 1 games,

1073
00:39:47,251 --> 00:39:48,527
and in those 20 games,

1074
00:39:49,246 --> 00:39:51,799
I think he's caught 90 balls for a

1075
00:39:51,799 --> 00:39:54,527
hunt thousand yards and 4 touchdown, which is

1076
00:39:54,527 --> 00:39:54,846
good,

1077
00:39:55,405 --> 00:39:57,719
but it's 20 games in the past 4

1078
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,756
years. Yeah.

1079
00:39:59,474 --> 00:40:00,991
Especially for he was because he was, you

1080
00:40:00,991 --> 00:40:03,559
know, was essentially, it was, you know, him

1081
00:40:03,799 --> 00:40:05,655
Antonio Brown o Julio,

1082
00:40:06,272 --> 00:40:08,187
you know, kind of at that Apex at

1083
00:40:08,187 --> 00:40:08,586
receiver.

1084
00:40:09,478 --> 00:40:10,987
Probably missing 1 or 2 there, but, you

1085
00:40:10,987 --> 00:40:12,654
know, those were kind of the guys,

1086
00:40:13,686 --> 00:40:16,307
you know, 5 years ago, 6 years ago.

1087
00:40:17,434 --> 00:40:18,870
But, yeah, It's interesting to see where he

1088
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:20,784
goes. I think he does get signed somewhere,

1089
00:40:21,183 --> 00:40:22,858
mid season makes a little more sense,

1090
00:40:23,735 --> 00:40:25,969
but somewhere worth an injury or a team

1091
00:40:25,969 --> 00:40:27,976
just looking to, you know, add a better

1092
00:40:27,976 --> 00:40:29,805
make a push. The packers come to mind

1093
00:40:29,805 --> 00:40:31,317
to their they're kind of...

1094
00:40:32,748 --> 00:40:34,282
They don't really have any veterans

1095
00:40:34,594 --> 00:40:36,114
I mean, all the receivers are pretty young.

1096
00:40:36,355 --> 00:40:38,214
Romeo Do is probably the most

1097
00:40:38,514 --> 00:40:39,714
might be the most senior.

1098
00:40:40,114 --> 00:40:40,614
Yeah.

1099
00:40:41,074 --> 00:40:43,884
As his third. Maybe the most seasoned either.

1100
00:40:44,123 --> 00:40:45,957
Yeah which know 40 percent. Yeah.

1101
00:40:46,755 --> 00:40:48,429
But I think the team like that could

1102
00:40:48,429 --> 00:40:50,103
make sense to add a veteran presence to

1103
00:40:50,103 --> 00:40:51,081
the room, but

1104
00:40:51,474 --> 00:40:53,068
like you said this steelers, you know, they're

1105
00:40:53,068 --> 00:40:54,742
1 that does make sense in the interim.

1106
00:40:55,459 --> 00:40:56,437
I like be

1107
00:40:56,893 --> 00:40:57,951
it goes. I think

1108
00:40:58,726 --> 00:41:00,658
makes sense. And Yeah. We don't know if

1109
00:41:00,658 --> 00:41:03,056
we don't know how healthy Microwave was gonna

1110
00:41:03,056 --> 00:41:06,012
be. Right? Yeah. He's past prime.

1111
00:41:06,971 --> 00:41:08,902
You know, he coming off in a Ceo,

1112
00:41:09,459 --> 00:41:10,437
already he's battled

1113
00:41:10,891 --> 00:41:12,403
multiple injuries throughout his career.

1114
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,211
So, you know, it's gonna be

1115
00:41:16,158 --> 00:41:18,300
who can, you, who can slot in that

1116
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:19,276
type of role

1117
00:41:19,967 --> 00:41:22,426
in that offense that Rogers can trust right

1118
00:41:22,426 --> 00:41:25,072
away. Yeah. So we'll see. Well, let's wrap

1119
00:41:25,072 --> 00:41:27,310
this up with a few young guys here

1120
00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:27,630
that

1121
00:41:28,828 --> 00:41:30,506
we've kind of really just been talking about

1122
00:41:30,506 --> 00:41:32,359
young live receivers this whole time, but let's

1123
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,672
go back to him after a little break

1124
00:41:34,672 --> 00:41:37,704
with Michael Thomas there. But Trey tucker with

1125
00:41:37,704 --> 00:41:38,661
the the Vegas,

1126
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,345
know, with the raiders. Sure. Parker Washington second

1127
00:41:42,345 --> 00:41:44,359
year player out of penn state with Jaguar.

1128
00:41:44,896 --> 00:41:48,219
And Casey Washington, the Illinois product, the align

1129
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:51,689
I guy with washed... With Atlanta who Drake

1130
00:41:51,849 --> 00:41:54,401
London says is lighting it up in camp.

1131
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,751
Yeah. Parker Washington has established more rapport and

1132
00:41:57,751 --> 00:41:59,281
they feel he looks like a little bit

1133
00:41:59,281 --> 00:42:00,637
of a different player. And I thought he

1134
00:42:00,637 --> 00:42:03,587
had nice rapport with Yeah. With Trevor Lawrence

1135
00:42:03,587 --> 00:42:06,458
last year, and then Trey Tucker who looked

1136
00:42:06,458 --> 00:42:08,228
like he was coming on at points.

1137
00:42:08,787 --> 00:42:10,703
Well, Antonio appears says he looks like a

1138
00:42:10,703 --> 00:42:13,199
completely different player because he addressed his hands

1139
00:42:13,258 --> 00:42:13,758
and

1140
00:42:14,216 --> 00:42:14,934
tucker like,

1141
00:42:16,132 --> 00:42:16,451
Scott,

1142
00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:21,161
The other Cincinnati speeds to research. Tyler Scott.

1143
00:42:21,399 --> 00:42:23,387
Both those guys were in that tier for

1144
00:42:23,387 --> 00:42:25,057
me in last year's draft.

1145
00:42:25,789 --> 00:42:26,828
As guys that you're like,

1146
00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:30,503
speed, tough at the catch point, plenty of

1147
00:42:30,503 --> 00:42:32,581
y to go around, but they had the

1148
00:42:32,581 --> 00:42:34,594
fatal flaw of how they attack the football.

1149
00:42:35,073 --> 00:42:36,671
And, like, if they don't figure that out,

1150
00:42:36,831 --> 00:42:39,389
they're just promising athletes. If they figure it

1151
00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:42,880
out, they could be, like, legitimate fantasy asset

1152
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,413
and the legitimate stars. Trey tucker

1153
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:48,422
apparently addressed that, and they're like, he looks

1154
00:42:48,422 --> 00:42:51,771
like a totally different player, and he's pretty

1155
00:42:51,771 --> 00:42:53,619
much the favorite to be the number 3

1156
00:42:53,619 --> 00:42:57,046
option in that in that receiving court. So

1157
00:42:57,205 --> 00:42:59,969
Yeah. So, you know, I I think Tucker

1158
00:43:00,088 --> 00:43:02,414
1 that's most impressive to me

1159
00:43:03,025 --> 00:43:05,168
because when you have a fatal flaw like

1160
00:43:05,168 --> 00:43:07,964
that and you've addressed it so far, you're

1161
00:43:07,964 --> 00:43:09,242
already making that impression,

1162
00:43:09,802 --> 00:43:10,601
that's promising.

1163
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,158
What are your thoughts on any of those

1164
00:43:13,158 --> 00:43:15,795
3 guys? Yeah. No. For sure. I I

1165
00:43:15,795 --> 00:43:18,447
think I've I've heard glow your interviews like

1166
00:43:18,447 --> 00:43:20,286
you have at... Like, you had on almost

1167
00:43:20,286 --> 00:43:21,884
on all 3 of those dudes. Tucker is

1168
00:43:21,884 --> 00:43:22,863
inch interesting because

1169
00:43:23,322 --> 00:43:24,681
the role is gonna be a question mark.

1170
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,926
Right? Because you add Brock bowers the equation.

1171
00:43:27,164 --> 00:43:29,227
Yep. Right? And there's always... There... There's 2

1172
00:43:29,227 --> 00:43:31,449
big target and, obviously Myers and Atoms.

1173
00:43:33,036 --> 00:43:35,670
Already. Bowers gets added. So you're looking at

1174
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:37,654
a fourth, you know, fourth gas.

1175
00:43:38,527 --> 00:43:39,821
Yeah. In a

1176
00:43:40,274 --> 00:43:42,434
Antonio Pierce run it down their throne Yeah.

1177
00:43:42,674 --> 00:43:45,391
You know. 2 tie ins, possibly oh. Yeah.

1178
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:48,667
Exactly. Persona. So that be interesting to see,

1179
00:43:48,747 --> 00:43:49,546
you know, what?

1180
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,545
What happens there and how it shakes out,

1181
00:43:53,704 --> 00:43:54,817
But I would be as surprised if he

1182
00:43:54,817 --> 00:43:55,930
starts and 3 or receiver resets.

1183
00:43:56,804 --> 00:43:58,871
For sure. Parker Wash is the 1 I

1184
00:43:58,871 --> 00:44:00,382
wanna look. Look at us.

1185
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:03,658
Because I I liked what I saw last

1186
00:44:03,658 --> 00:44:04,158
year

1187
00:44:05,328 --> 00:44:06,681
after I think it was Kirk injury.

1188
00:44:08,032 --> 00:44:08,532
So

1189
00:44:09,226 --> 00:44:12,442
I think he might be the Odds on

1190
00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:13,316
starter

1191
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:15,278
over Brian Thomas Junior.

1192
00:44:15,914 --> 00:44:18,234
I think he's more ready to play Brian

1193
00:44:18,313 --> 00:44:20,068
Thomas Junior And if he takes some... Tv

1194
00:44:20,068 --> 00:44:21,344
if he takes another step.

1195
00:44:22,222 --> 00:44:24,295
I mean, who's, you know, you have Kirk

1196
00:44:24,295 --> 00:44:26,869
and Ingram, and there's not really that third

1197
00:44:26,927 --> 00:44:27,805
option that's solidified.

1198
00:44:29,339 --> 00:44:30,139
Done do it for you?

1199
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:33,260
No. You know what? I I think Gabe

1200
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,960
Davis is gonna play a

1201
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:37,751
a good third level all. But the inca

1202
00:44:37,751 --> 00:44:39,027
inconsistency I think it's gonna be there throughout

1203
00:44:39,027 --> 00:44:41,341
this whole career. Yep. Barker Washington can play

1204
00:44:41,341 --> 00:44:43,416
multiple positions. I think he could be a

1205
00:44:43,416 --> 00:44:44,949
he can be a as an extension of

1206
00:44:44,949 --> 00:44:47,426
the wrong game, kinda similar Robert Woods in

1207
00:44:47,426 --> 00:44:49,423
a way. I think that can kinda be

1208
00:44:49,423 --> 00:44:51,282
the, you know, the Walmart

1209
00:44:51,661 --> 00:44:54,785
archetype of of Parker Wash. To potentially. Which

1210
00:44:54,785 --> 00:44:56,613
is still pretty good. So I think that

1211
00:44:56,613 --> 00:44:57,113
somewhere

1212
00:44:57,487 --> 00:45:00,268
somewhere someone that can contribute in Jacksonville.

1213
00:45:01,540 --> 00:45:03,540
In Casey, send another Washington.

1214
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:07,112
Ned Atlanta, I've heard really good things. And,

1215
00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:09,097
obviously, that only illinois office was very good

1216
00:45:09,097 --> 00:45:10,867
in college for him, but

1217
00:45:11,814 --> 00:45:14,051
they don't have an established third receiver.

1218
00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:16,527
So if he starts earning some playing time

1219
00:45:16,527 --> 00:45:18,525
towards, you know, down the stretch or, you

1220
00:45:18,525 --> 00:45:20,617
know, on Moody goes down at some point,

1221
00:45:21,896 --> 00:45:23,653
he could be someone that slots in there

1222
00:45:23,653 --> 00:45:25,810
and be a service player. Yeah. Comes. Who

1223
00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:27,657
do they got? Scotty miller Ray ray Mc

1224
00:45:27,657 --> 00:45:29,725
mcleod. That's it. After Darn. Yeah.

1225
00:45:30,441 --> 00:45:32,191
Not much. That's it. Yeah. So...

1226
00:45:33,558 --> 00:45:34,829
We'll see, but I think all 3 of

1227
00:45:34,829 --> 00:45:36,179
those guys are interesting. If I was to

1228
00:45:36,179 --> 00:45:36,996
put a priority

1229
00:45:38,084 --> 00:45:38,402
order,

1230
00:45:39,196 --> 00:45:41,102
Parker Wash and someone I'm I'm drafting and

1231
00:45:41,102 --> 00:45:44,066
everything. Yep. I just don't... You know, I

1232
00:45:44,145 --> 00:45:46,378
I think outside of Kirk and Ingram,

1233
00:45:47,733 --> 00:45:50,205
this is gonna be a wide open battle

1234
00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:52,998
for the the third target get in that

1235
00:45:52,998 --> 00:45:53,237
offense.

1236
00:45:54,348 --> 00:45:56,807
So he might be 1 the to definitely

1237
00:45:56,807 --> 00:45:58,315
take a deeper look at. I would agree

1238
00:45:58,315 --> 00:46:00,321
with that and with gotta remember, like, when

1239
00:46:00,321 --> 00:46:01,299
you look at

1240
00:46:02,155 --> 00:46:04,389
Parker, Washington and Gabriel Davis are kind of

1241
00:46:04,389 --> 00:46:07,180
like opposites in the same role like in

1242
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:09,036
some research respects. Because

1243
00:46:09,348 --> 00:46:13,083
Trevor Lawrence does extraordinarily well when he has

1244
00:46:13,083 --> 00:46:15,014
talent around him to support it

1245
00:46:15,388 --> 00:46:18,195
is he buys time. What He can buy

1246
00:46:18,195 --> 00:46:20,755
time and he has the gun and the

1247
00:46:20,835 --> 00:46:21,335
Hoo

1248
00:46:21,954 --> 00:46:23,735
to to fit the ball

1249
00:46:24,275 --> 00:46:26,206
into tight windows and some of his some

1250
00:46:26,206 --> 00:46:28,297
of the plays that he made last year

1251
00:46:28,434 --> 00:46:31,140
in between the mistakes that caused his, like,

1252
00:46:31,856 --> 00:46:33,942
his stock to drop in the eyes of

1253
00:46:33,942 --> 00:46:34,580
the media.

1254
00:46:35,378 --> 00:46:37,133
Some of the plays he made were pretty

1255
00:46:37,133 --> 00:46:37,633
extraordinary.

1256
00:46:38,091 --> 00:46:40,005
There's a couple of plays that I've I've

1257
00:46:40,005 --> 00:46:41,535
watched left last year where I was, like,

1258
00:46:42,252 --> 00:46:44,722
that was the type of throw that those

1259
00:46:44,722 --> 00:46:47,032
are the types of throws that earned him

1260
00:46:47,032 --> 00:46:48,705
some of the buds that he had pre

1261
00:46:48,705 --> 00:46:49,820
drag. Oh, a hundred percent

1262
00:46:50,473 --> 00:46:52,542
Sure. And, you know, part of it too

1263
00:46:52,542 --> 00:46:54,611
was he had receiver drop balls, not run

1264
00:46:54,611 --> 00:46:55,327
great routes,

1265
00:46:55,805 --> 00:46:57,396
not be on the same page with him.

1266
00:46:58,510 --> 00:47:00,378
Gabriel Davis is the a guy

1267
00:47:00,909 --> 00:47:03,074
that, like you said, third level

1268
00:47:03,605 --> 00:47:04,581
beats the

1269
00:47:06,222 --> 00:47:09,605
beats the defense that climbs too far forward

1270
00:47:10,304 --> 00:47:13,585
on a mis direction play or climbs too

1271
00:47:13,585 --> 00:47:14,545
far up field,

1272
00:47:15,438 --> 00:47:18,490
when the quarterback under pressure and the quarterback

1273
00:47:18,788 --> 00:47:21,101
escapes and now Gabriel Davis is drifted behind.

1274
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:22,297
That's how he wins.

1275
00:47:23,494 --> 00:47:25,582
But like you said, drop in the ball

1276
00:47:25,582 --> 00:47:27,493
is always gonna be an issue with him,

1277
00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:30,382
and he needs to be scheme open

1278
00:47:30,758 --> 00:47:33,679
too much. Whereas Parker, Washington can get skip

1279
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,639
open and be that extension of the running

1280
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,139
game as you mentioned, but he's great

1281
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:39,480
against zone coverage.

1282
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:42,735
He is a really savvy player who you

1283
00:47:42,854 --> 00:47:45,315
could see him becoming that security blanket,

1284
00:47:46,347 --> 00:47:47,141
off script,

1285
00:47:47,856 --> 00:47:50,078
with Trevor Lawrence because not only is he

1286
00:47:50,078 --> 00:47:50,872
great off script,

1287
00:47:51,587 --> 00:47:53,506
and and good at moving around and find

1288
00:47:53,506 --> 00:47:55,251
those open zones and getting yards after the

1289
00:47:55,251 --> 00:47:58,052
catch, but he is a contested catch monster.

1290
00:47:58,425 --> 00:48:00,982
Yep yep. And big 1. Yeah. So you

1291
00:48:00,982 --> 00:48:03,691
can drift him behind a second or third

1292
00:48:03,691 --> 00:48:05,364
level of the defense and still get them.

1293
00:48:05,682 --> 00:48:07,595
But he can also make those tough tight

1294
00:48:07,595 --> 00:48:10,477
window plays. Yeah. And get yards after to

1295
00:48:10,477 --> 00:48:13,335
catch with that. So even if he's the

1296
00:48:13,335 --> 00:48:16,193
third option technically. Maybe they force feed Brian

1297
00:48:16,352 --> 00:48:18,273
Thomas in there due to draft cap capital.

1298
00:48:18,909 --> 00:48:19,307
You know,

1299
00:48:19,943 --> 00:48:22,648
they put Parker, Washington in the slot or

1300
00:48:22,648 --> 00:48:24,796
alternate him with Christian Kirk.

1301
00:48:26,723 --> 00:48:29,454
Based on just, like, think of speed, flank

1302
00:48:29,512 --> 00:48:30,309
type of, like,

1303
00:48:31,663 --> 00:48:31,902
dimensions,

1304
00:48:32,874 --> 00:48:35,449
he could wind up being the second leading

1305
00:48:35,747 --> 00:48:38,083
second or third leading target get

1306
00:48:38,621 --> 00:48:39,679
on this roster

1307
00:48:40,137 --> 00:48:42,386
and wind up being the long term guy,

1308
00:48:42,626 --> 00:48:44,003
like the Hines ward

1309
00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:45,519
type of player

1310
00:48:45,896 --> 00:48:48,210
for Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. It's in the realm.

1311
00:48:48,369 --> 00:48:49,820
I I think and you kind of know

1312
00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:52,873
on that is there's not another Parker Washington

1313
00:48:53,011 --> 00:48:56,042
and Jacksonville right now. Yeah. Because he's the

1314
00:48:56,042 --> 00:48:58,376
contested catch guy that offers. It's like, he's

1315
00:48:58,929 --> 00:48:59,429
he's

1316
00:49:00,210 --> 00:49:00,710
that

1317
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:03,569
archetype of player that it's gonna make the

1318
00:49:03,569 --> 00:49:06,210
the difficult plays look easy, and that's not

1319
00:49:06,369 --> 00:49:09,175
Brian Thomas Junior. No. That's that's the thing

1320
00:49:09,175 --> 00:49:11,164
is. I don't I don't really know where

1321
00:49:11,243 --> 00:49:13,572
Brian Thomas Street fits in this equation

1322
00:49:14,027 --> 00:49:16,440
because I I think the passing game revolves

1323
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,239
around Christian Kirk.

1324
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:19,579
Evan Ingram

1325
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:21,559
is gonna be also a big part of

1326
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,175
it. Right? He had you know, at over

1327
00:49:23,175 --> 00:49:25,655
a hundred targets, a hundred and 15 Another

1328
00:49:25,655 --> 00:49:26,714
truly best

1329
00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:28,375
reclamation project right there.

1330
00:49:29,094 --> 00:49:30,550
Love it. But he's a... You know, he's

1331
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:31,050
a

1332
00:49:31,429 --> 00:49:33,429
he's developed into a pretty fantastic tied in

1333
00:49:33,429 --> 00:49:35,590
and and it his has now has some

1334
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:37,909
same power on the Nfl. So that those

1335
00:49:37,909 --> 00:49:39,999
2 guys are, obviously in the you kinda

1336
00:49:39,999 --> 00:49:42,144
have the giant question mark. Who's gonna step

1337
00:49:42,144 --> 00:49:43,733
up me the third and my bed is

1338
00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:46,514
parker wash. Yeah. Well, my bet is is

1339
00:49:46,514 --> 00:49:48,515
that you should check out what Brandon has

1340
00:49:48,515 --> 00:49:49,254
to offer

1341
00:49:49,708 --> 00:49:50,208
angelo

1342
00:49:50,742 --> 00:49:52,095
underscore fantasy, On,

1343
00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:53,924
you know, Angelo analysis.

1344
00:49:54,481 --> 00:49:56,034
You could and find Matt W,

1345
00:49:56,652 --> 00:49:59,289
work, whoever that guy's talking in third person

1346
00:49:59,289 --> 00:50:01,606
is. We're talking about wide receivers. It just

1347
00:50:01,606 --> 00:50:04,256
kinda caught. That pretty a good transition. You

1348
00:50:04,256 --> 00:50:06,271
know, The good... Now is it A plus

1349
00:50:06,329 --> 00:50:07,765
transition yet. I'll give you that. See there

1350
00:50:07,765 --> 00:50:09,839
you go. So you, you know, it's summer,

1351
00:50:10,078 --> 00:50:12,311
I just had Covid, and, you know, I'm

1352
00:50:12,311 --> 00:50:14,313
talking in third and like a wide receiver.

1353
00:50:15,264 --> 00:50:17,564
But, you know, I'm getting into character. Next

1354
00:50:17,564 --> 00:50:19,547
week we'll probably look at running backs or

1355
00:50:19,547 --> 00:50:21,309
the next time we get together, and I'll

1356
00:50:21,309 --> 00:50:22,827
be a little more selfless, but

1357
00:50:24,266 --> 00:50:24,766
not

1358
00:50:25,144 --> 00:50:27,542
you can. You can check everything out at

1359
00:50:27,542 --> 00:50:28,740
matt w dot com.

1360
00:50:29,795 --> 00:50:31,872
And thanks again, everyone, for listening,

1361
00:50:32,911 --> 00:50:35,467
another great show from from Brandon, and thanks

1362
00:50:35,467 --> 00:50:36,607
again, folks. And

1363
00:50:37,146 --> 00:50:39,068
congratulations on. You know, it's a little personal,

1364
00:50:39,227 --> 00:50:42,317
but, you know, new parent, new parent again.

1365
00:50:42,871 --> 00:50:43,188
You know,

1366
00:50:43,901 --> 00:50:45,114
not new parent, but

1367
00:50:45,504 --> 00:50:48,541
apparent to a new... Seasoned veteran at this

1368
00:50:48,541 --> 00:50:51,439
point. Seasoned veteran. That's right. You know? So

1369
00:50:51,498 --> 00:50:53,656
we're gonna be worth... He is going to

1370
00:50:53,656 --> 00:50:55,905
become a master of zone cup fridge very.

1371
00:50:56,302 --> 00:50:57,813
Absolutely. We have no freaking choice of be

1372
00:50:57,813 --> 00:50:59,801
honest with you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's okay.

1373
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:01,550
Well, we'll we'll see if we can give

1374
00:51:01,550 --> 00:51:03,697
some advice on zone blitz and our fires

1375
00:51:03,697 --> 00:51:04,334
zone tactics.

1376
00:51:05,144 --> 00:51:05,385
Problem.

1377
00:51:07,304 --> 00:51:10,505
But thanks again, folks, and happy fourth all.

1378
00:51:10,744 --> 00:51:10,904
Y'all.