You're listening to the Loving BDSM podcast episode
four forty seven. Kayla Lords here with the
one, the only, the you just had your
birthday, and I won't stop talking about it
because I love you. John Brownstone.
I mean, I felt every single one of
those 64 plus one to grow on Spanx.
That's true. It was delightful. I mean, I
got tired of counting after a while, but
it was delightful.
I'm glad I get a break when it's
my birthday.
That's not what we're talking about at all
at all today.
For JB's sake, I will move on from
his birthday. But if I don't, you know
There might be otherwise, there might be, you
know, another
Oh, no. But not with something that you
like.
At this point? Oh, no.
Anyway,
this week we're talking about a concept that's
gone viral in the past few months known
as princess treatment. And we're gonna talk about
what it is according to the person who
went viral for it and how that compares
to power exchange.
Welcome to the Loving BDSM podcast. If this
is your first time listening, glad to have
you. If you're back for another week, welcome
back. Loving BDSM is produced every Friday for
your kinky pleasure in education, and show notes
are found at lovingbdsm.net.
Come back often and feel free to add
the podcast to your favorite podcast app. You
can also follow the show on Fetlife at
loving BDSM PC
on Instagram and, technically, threads, so that handle
I will forever fucking hate,
which is loving d s and the number
one. So it's at loving d s one.
On blue sky at lovingbdsm.
Blah blah blah,
or on YouTube at youtube.com/lovingbdsm
where you can watch us live stream the
podcast every Wednesday. All links are in the
show notes.
Yeah. Even though it's overcast and we've had
all kinds of rain for the past couple
days,
it is still warm enough that I'm grateful
for that fan that is going on. Warm
side. Yeah. On in the background. Okay. So
announcements first. Mhmm. The first one
is,
this Friday,
July 18.
I'm looking at today's date right now, so
I'm fairly confident
Friday is July eighteenth.
We're doing our Friday night livestream virtual munch
q and a, chaotic,
gigantic bonus section kinda deal,
on YouTube.
So we hope y'all can join it. And
usually starts at 09:30, but the past couple
of months, we started at nine. I don't
know what we're doing.
I don't know. Somewhere between nine and 09:30
we'll show up.
And we stream till about eleven.
And it yeah. It's chaotic. I don't I
can't predict because
there are certain things that are they're truisms
of our Friday night live streams. We will
talk about food.
We may ruin childhood memories.
We will reminisce
based on kind of our
generational kind of thing, like, not fully because
there's so much crossover between generations, but was
it last month or the month before we
started talking about our TV shows from what
we remembered from being younger. Right? Yeah. That
kind of stuff. So but also, we'll
answer questions about kink. We try pretend this
is about kink, you know.
So that's this Friday
on YouTube. Mhmm. Second announcement.
We will not have an episode next week.
Not because we don't want to, not because
we planned this.
The oldest
is moving out of his apartment because he's
changing apartments.
That was supposed to occur on a weekend.
A thing happened, which I plan on complaining
about in the bonus section, and it's meant
we need to now do it
on Wednesday. And it's Yeah. Like the day.
Mhmm.
So I'll complain about that in the bonus
section, but we were not gonna put ourselves
under the strain of because he's moving back
home for a few weeks. So the strain
of getting him home on a Wednesday,
settling, having
adjusting how we're doing things,
three of us, all adults, will be sharing
one car. So life is about get interesting
for a few weeks. Yeah.
So, yeah, we just were like, we're not
gonna we're not gonna put that pressure on
ourselves.
We'll just take next week off.
So those are the announcements.
Ta da.
K. Okay.
I know this is all self induced pressure,
but I really don't wanna fuck this week's
topic.
But I do feel like a student who
is giving a report to the class,
and that's never been my favorite thing to
do.
Gotcha. Gotcha.
Gotcha. Okay. So
I I believe
that the concept of princess treatment has probably
been a term made probably even in the
kink community, I'm not a 100% sure,
for however long. Right? But
sometime earlier this year, February,
maybe a little later,
a creator on TikTok named Courtney Palmer
had a video go viral
because where she was talking about
her life
receiving princess treatment and what that meant her.
And the video specifically, it's got 7,000,000 plus
views on TikTok.
She was talking about what princess treatment meant
and how
oh. Lola walked past the tripod. It's fine.
And how,
that
meant that she behaved in a restaurant. So
she was talking about
how she does not talk to the hostess.
She does not give their name if it's
reservation. She does not order, you know, her
own food. Her husband does that for her.
You know, he is in control of everything.
And before I I ended up watching it
today multiple times, get ready for this episode,
When I first heard it, I first thought,
well, that that sounds power exchange y to
me. And I'm like, whoop. But when you
started explaining it to me Right. It's like,
yeah. It's Blipped right on. I was like,
okay. But apparently,
the Internet ended up having thoughts.
And the Internet always has thoughts. And sometimes
I'm like, right on Internet, I agree. But
most of the time I'm like,
we've just stripped all the context and nuance
out of this conversation so whatever.
And then two weeks ago, I was sending
out the Loving BDSM weekly newsletter, and there
was a Huffington Post article where they talked
about this viral thing about the princess treatment.
And it came up on my radar because
they talked to Sex and Kink experts
to get their opinion on is this like
BDSM? Is this like power exchange? And and
I've linked to the article in the places
for anybody who wants to read it. Mhmm.
And, basically, they were like, well, maybe it
could be, but here's some differences.
So then it stuck in my brain,
and I needed to go learn more
because
what is
this person who is not in a power
exchange
talking about, and why does it sound so
fucking similar to things that I've either experienced
or wanted to experience or whatever?
Now
I did remember
earlier today, I completely forgotten about it. I
don't know when. Sometime in the past
months,
I was randomly
scrolling through Instagram reels. And I remember a
reel coming up, and it was tagged like
princess treatment. And it was like she was,
you know,
he reached out to hold her hand, and
she's holding her hand, and she's talking about,
you know, no thoughts, just vibes. And I
I really related to the point I was
like, wait. This algorithm is not does not
usually have kink. How did we get here?
And then I realized it wasn't. I was
like, oh, who's this creator? Nope. Not a
kinkster.
So others may have some of y'all may
have seen it that way too. And hell,
if you're on TikTok enough, maybe you saw
the original
viral thing.
But
when I started looking into
what is Prince's treatment, what's gone viral, what
does the Internet say,
I took I had to go search out
this woman's actual TikTok because I look on
Instagram first. Look. Look. Yeah. It might take
three to four business weeks before a viral
trend from TikTok hits Instagram, but eventually it
will. Yeah. It get yeah.
And but what I was getting were people's
own opinions on princess treatment. Okay.
And I think I'll get into that in
just a second. Yeah. My my notes are
lengthy for this one.
But that for me, I understand that once
I get somebody's opinion about a thing somebody
else said, a lot of context is gone.
A lot of nuance is gone. Mhmm. And
I was seeing things that the follow-up viral
trend for from Princess Treatment
is bare minimum versus Princess Treatment. Like, is
this bare minimum?
Like, the bar is already in hell or
do we classify this as princess treatment?
And everybody's got their own opinions about that
too. Some people are like, well, you know,
if he's nice to me, that's princess treatment.
And I was like, oh, honey. Honey, somebody
needs to hug you
and introduce you to a good human.
Right.
And that was when I, like, knew beyond
a shadow of a doubt. I cannot
do this episode and try to tell you
what I think princess treatment is with the
opinions of others. I was like, we're going
to the source.
The source has a playlist. I don't know
what it's called on TikTok. 29
TikToks where she's just talking about princess treatment.
I watched 20 of them before I just
couldn't anymore. I went, no. No. I understand
the concept.
So
that's the definition I'm using because what has
happened since this particular
creator went viral is she's creating these videos
and answering questions about how to
engage in princess treatment, how to get that
for yourself.
You know, what do you do? What what
kind of person do you have to be?
And I was like, I have no doubt
others have talked about princess treatment in their
own way. Mhmm. Like I said at the
top, there is likely something in kink where
it's a very kink specific thing,
but that's not what the broader world is
seeing. They're seeing this,
trad wife adjacent but not trad wife. She
makes that clear distinction in one of her
videos. She's like, you can have princess treatment
when you're a trad wife. She's like, but
I'm not a trad wife because I don't
wanna cook and I don't wanna clean. And
I was like, okay.
So
that's that's the angle I'm coming at. That's
what we're gonna talk about what what this
woman, Courtney Palmer says to her and what
she's teaching other people that Princess treatment is.
And then
as we go, but also at the end,
we will we will do a compare and
contrast to power exchange. So
I
absolutely disagree with. I'm not pissed. I'm a
little bit, like, should I print out my
notes and take them to our next negotiation?
Because some of this doesn't bother me that
much.
Because, you know, the the discussion online about
Prince's treatment, the backlash is, you know, that
it's anti feminist and it's about, you know,
subjugating women and,
that women
specifically are should always be submissive to their
men. And there
there is some of that in here. I'm
not gonna pretend otherwise. But I was like,
but actually, I'm gonna use this to take
notes.
Go to my daddy dom and go, look.
I could use some of this princess treatment.
So let me let's let's
get into this. Okay.
Okay. So when I'm talking about this, some
of this is observations from what I was
hearing from the creator, but also some of
this is straight from what the creator said.
Okay? Like I said, oh, I didn't say
it. I linked to her TikTok in the
places for anybody who wants to go hear
it from her,
yourself. Okay.
So let's start at the top here of
what,
according to this creator, is princess treatment.
First of all,
it is
completely cisgender heteronormative.
It is the assumption that the man
is
biologically male and the provider and better have
a good job because you better have some
money for some of this. And that the
woman it and everybody's straight. But the woman
is the wife and is the submissive one.
But it is
like, obviously, any of us can, like,
draw color outside the box if we wanted
to. But this is
man provider,
woman submissive wife. Okay?
And then
add some spice in there to this princess
treatment thing.
So from the creator to be treated like
a princess
means to be adored, worshiped,
the focus of your husband's attention. Mhmm.
Their husband, you know, makes their princess feel
loved. The husband is obsessed with her and
wants what's best for her. Okay?
Which basically,
I went, so your husband likes you and
wants to be with you and is happy
to be here? Right. The bar is in
hell.
Yeah. Yeah. The bar is in hell.
Now
the activities
take this with a grain of salt because
as with anything, anybody
can personal
kink perspective, but these are the things that
came up most often. So
what the husband does
to provide his wife the princess treatment,
cooks,
gives gifts and money, ties their shoes, puts
gas in her car, pays for everything, gives
her flowers, plans everything,
is the provider.
Okay? Top line,
the provider of everything.
Okay.
The princess
doesn't have to ask for things.
Their partner pays attention. This is this one
hear it when I say it. Their partner
just pays attention and knows what they need.
It's like
Yeah.
What? Yes. It is very much from everything
I've gathered
a
and I'll get to these in my notes.
Train your husband to know what you want.
Be be a princess so he knows to
treat you like a princess.
Not once in any of this does this
creator say, sit down and have a conversation
with your husband
to tell him what you want. Right. Right.
So they're doing all doing
all this with the expectation
that their husband or partner will
Yes. Know. Right. Exactly. And just do. And
just do. Because
That's a lot of pressure on somebody.
But yes. I agree completely. But you have
to understand, the people who would do this,
for a for a woman to get princess
treatment in this situation, you need to be
partnered with a, I'm gonna gag when I
say it, high value man.
And then you need to be a high
value woman
in order to get this and to make
this happen and to be a real princess.
There I told you there were parts that
pissed me off. But there's there's stuff that
I do like.
But, yeah. There's some basic elements to this
that Mhmm. It is and I I get
why the Internet is pissed. It is fundamentally
a sexist
thing. Not of this is a choice that
these people are making together. This is a,
you know, it is a choice that the
the wife is making according to the original
creator of this.
But
is it a choice that the husband made?
Who who knows? Who knows? Because we haven't
had a conversation with him yet.
So okay. Yeah. So basically no negotiation, no
commune communicating about any of this. No consent.
No. No. Certainly no explicit consent. I imagine
that if this is the provider husband, because
another part of princess treatment is the princess
lets her husband lead.
Y'all know I don't have a problem with
that kind of dynamic.
The cons
it is not explicit consent. The only thing
I can imagine is if the the husband
does not want to do this, he just
doesn't do it. Mhmm. But then there's strife
within
the relationship because
the wife wants
princess treatment and the husband is not participating.
And in a little
kind of the implication
that I gleaned from this is that if
your partner does not want to give you
princess treatment, even though you did not specifically
ask for it and negotiate it and talk
about it, they're probably not a
high value man.
I don't like that term. I don't like
that term. I I don't like that term.
Well, you know, here's I'm I'm listening to
you, you know, talk about all this.
And so many elements of this. Yes. You
know?
Okay. Yeah. That that's in this kind of
dynamic and, you know, you could do this,
you know, the fifties household or something else.
Yes. Absolutely. Okay. There's some parallels. There there
there definitely are
some parallels.
But
I I had a word,
and I cannot
it it's like they're doing this
to exploit.
Exploit it. Mother the word that came to
my mind was manipulative. Yeah. Or manipulative. Yeah.
But yeah. Yes. Absolutely.
If the
if the husband involved
is was not planning on doing this and
does not want this.
The the
the yucky part of this that really does
bother me. The actions themselves don't bother me.
It's the intent behind them. Right? It's it
is supposing that you as a woman have
married a man who wants to be the
provider and this is just
what is done.
It gave off and I'll get into the
men man's role and the woman's role in
a minute, and these notes are lengthy.
But it gave the impression of the one
true way, a true dom does this, a
true sub like,
that correlation was immediately in my head of,
well, this is just what you do if
you are
a high value man. I don't like that
fucking term. Yeah. I don't like that term.
So I put this into
to break it up before we get into
the roles and what is air quote from
according to this creator expected in princess treatment.
Because she specifically made, a video of
princess versus queen. And I saw a lot
in her comments. We were like, I don't
need princess treatment. I'm the queen, you know.
And sort of that, like, motherfucker kind of
attitude. Now here's here's the thought. Mhmm.
And Juliar brought it up in the live
chat. Mhmm.
Shoot. Now I lost we're hang on a
second.
Hang on a second. Hang on a second.
Where'd it go?
Where'd
it
go?
Well, you look. I'll talk about Yeah. Go
ahead. Queen versus princess. So
okay. You go ahead then. Okay. I don't
want you to forget it.
How would
you say in relation to, say, like a
sugar baby?
You know,
that is interesting because
from this creator's perspective Mhmm. She's a housewife.
She has a job,
not a job outside the house. She has
a role to fulfill.
She has things she's doing that are
natural because she's getting the princess treatment and
this is what she's supposed to do if
she's a housewife or a stay at home
mom.
So there's stuff for her to do. So
it's not like a sugar baby who's like,
I'm just gonna be nice to you for
a while, like Okay. No. No. No. No.
No. Yes. I think somebody could make that
comparison. I think it would be fair. But
she
explicitly talks about her role and even
the bit of credit I will give her
was like, your husband who's giving you this
princess treatment better understand that what you're doing
for your household is work and you are
working. Yeah. You know, differently than he is.
Yeah. But it's this because you're working, you
should get this treatment
Mhmm. Because of that? Like, that's the
the
the reciprocation
is not just gratitude and not just, hey,
you know, we're a team doing this. It's
treat me like a princess because I'm taking
care of your house for you. Let me
say again, if you fucking want that, I
think you should get that. Mhmm. But
in all of this, we still haven't had
a conversation with the husband. Right. Right. Right.
Right. The husband has not explicitly agreed to
this.
So
I wanna slide it in because when you
start talking about princess treatment,
somebody's gonna go, nah. I'm not a princess.
I'm a queen.
I I float between the two. So she
made a video about this. This was her
opinion, but this is how she sees princess
treatment and what makes her a princess. A
princess is softer. They need to be taken
care of. They don't make decisions. They are
pampered. They're cared for. I was
like, are you in a caregiver dynamic? Are
you Yeah. Are you the sub and and
that's your daddy dom over there? That's that's
where my mind went because that's my experience.
But, you know, in her mind, being a
princess is it's very it's softer, delicate,
you know. Okay. Yeah. Right? And a queen
is in control and takes charge and makes
decisions.
And if this is your world view,
that differentiation makes total sense to me. Mhmm.
She even said, I think towards the end
of that video, she was like, yeah. Queens
scare me a little bit. They're like they're
like really in charge. And I was
like, okay.
Wow. And it was if I wanna be
like
if I want to look at it with
ill intent, then I'm like, so you're saying
queens can't be soft
and it can't be taken care of? Like,
especially when
in the words being, you know, the way
it's being described, a princess is worshiped. Well,
so are queens, honey.
I mean, mean every kind of queen, but
you know what I mean. Right? Like
so I just for anybody who's like, I'm
not a princess. I'm a queen yet. But
for this purpose, for princess treatment, that's the
difference
in this creator's mind. If this creator did
not have so much influence and hadn't gone
viral to the point every article I tried
to look up about
the princess treatment virality
linked back to her. Right?
That is
even if she's not the only one talking
about it, even if there's 10,000,000 different ways
out there Mhmm. She's the one that's got
the attention
and
and people are going to her now. She's
like ground zero. Right. Right. So she her
influences,
other people could have been talking about it
before in different ways in Mhmm. You know,
in ways that I would be more comfortable
with personally because we would be talking about
consent.
But they didn't capture
the attention. They didn't get the they don't
have the influence currently that this person does.
So what she's defining here is influential for
people who want this kind of lifestyle, which
is where I'm like, I don't care if
you want this lifestyle.
Some elements, I'm like, sign me the fuck
up.
It's not all and not all the fucking
time. But it's
it's the way it's being done. Because Mhmm.
Wait till we get to it. I have
a I think I have a section on
communication. Oh, wait till we get to it.
So
the man's role.
This is the high value
man.
He is the financial provider.
He is this never really
got defined, but he is highly masculine.
I think
in in I'm not the audience for this
person and the prince's treatment as they describe
it. Right? I'm not
I'm
Trad wife content was not made for me.
I am not the intended audience.
So I do not inherently understand what what
is not being said when you just throw
out they're highly masculine, but the audience that
she has captured
seems to understand
what
specifically they mean. My brain don't work that
way. I wanna know specifics, and all you
could kinda get was provider
and
that term I hate and lots of money
and worships the ground you walk on and
I'm like,
but that doesn't tell me anything about
what you mean by masculinity. Now I understand
because I live on the Internet too,
what the manosphere
thinks masculinity is. And I feel like this
is just yet more proof that patriarchy is
bad for everybody
and not just non men. Okay?
So that's the man's role. He is he's
the provider. He's taking care of shit. Okay?
This one threw me the fuck off. There
was a whole video about this. I almost
fell out of my chair.
Because and we'll get to it when we're
talking about the princess role. Okay.
She acknowledges
that what she's doing to take care of
the home is work. Right? Mhmm. And that
her husband does things first so she doesn't
have to do them. Right? So when he
travels for business, man, my snarky brain went,
does he or does he need a break?
But that's just me being a bitch.
Her husband travels for business.
And
when he's away for business, she has to
take care of herself and what she was
already doing. Mhmm. So she apparently got this
idea from a friend, a family member, I
can't remember now,
that,
she needs to let her husband know and
has done and apparently works,
that he should
repay
her
for the extra work she's taking on
while he's gone.
And I had to infer because she didn't
say it explicitly in that particular video that
that extra work is, well, now I have
to tie my own shoes and I have
to get my own water. I'm putting gas
in my car. I'm, like, I'm having to,
like, to do my stuff that you would
normally do for me. So I'm taking on
extra work and that I should when I
say compensated, I do not mean hand you
a a stack of cash. Don't mean that.
Okay.
And she's explicitly said, this is not like
a $10,000
whatever whatever.
But
she's I think sent him a text letting
him know, like, yeah. Yeah. I think this
needs to happen because I've had to put
in all this extra effort while you've been
gone.
And so he brought her a present home.
But the way she
defined
that was
and used the word repayment.
It it sounds more like a
financial arrangement.
Right. You know But it's for luxuries. It's
for goods. Yeah. She got Chanel shoes shoes
that she wanted. She would have bought herself,
but he went and got them for her.
I'd you know what? I'd be curious. Mhmm.
Was she doing this
princess treatment
before they got married? No. She she says
they
I I do not know her journey into
deciding she wanted to
live this life, like, what influenced her. No
idea.
She wanted to be she she worked. She's
a mom. She does, in the videos I
watch, she does not talk about any of
that at all. She did not want to.
She wanted to I guess she wanted to
stay home is the implication, but I don't
know if it was a mutual decision.
But
I guess once she could stay home,
then she could put her energy
into this.
And, you know, she is absolutely reveling in
leaning into her softer
feminine side as she defines femininity.
And again, I don't have a fucking problem
with that either because we all get to
define that for ourselves. Right. But it the
way it's
described is this is what you do in
order to receive
princess treatment. And it's not put in love
and affection, receive good treatment back. Mhmm. It's,
you know,
we'll get to it, but make him feel
like a man.
And then he will treat you like a
princess. And we still, in in that explanation,
haven't had a conversation.
So the thing is is this princess treatment,
I see Taysh, you said, you know, that
it's it could be kink adjacent.
Yes and no. To me, it's more like
I don't know,
chicken or egg here. What came first? Were
kinksters doing
princess treatment? And somebody saw that but went,
let's make it,
sexist. I don't know.
Let's make it misogynist. I mean, I I
truly don't know. Yeah. Or
if we stole some of that and
twisted it to be
consensual and put
hopefully healthy and Mhmm. You know, not this
not this expectation,
not because of what you said you've wanted
or said you would do. This expectation based
on who they are and who you are
and who you were trying to be. And
that's where for
me,
it's definitely a problem. It's not at all
in the activities. Yeah. Okay. So men's role.
Oh, this one. Because she did talk about
dealing with conflict because
a lot of questions came up throughout the
videos of but when I'm angry at them,
how do I stay soft and feminine? So
she gets into some of this and
this comes up.
The man should not nitpick, and that's the
word she used, nitpick or overly criticize their
princess
even in and especially in conflict.
Like, don't be too critical.
Don't don't have too much to say. That's
your special baby princess. They could do no
wrong, so you should treat them like they
can do no wrong. You might be upset
with them and she this is the thing
I appreciate about her. She's like, y'all need
to talk it out.
Talk about your conflicts. Get it out there.
But the man Corner time.
The man should still treat her like a
princess
gentleness. But like, what if you're being the
raging bitch and you're wrong? Like, why is
he
I don't usually take a man's side, especially
a nameless faceless man that I don't fucking
know. I don't usually take their side, but
I'm offended on their behalf right now.
Like,
what? Like, both of you should be
gentle with each other if if you can
be assuming this is a healthy relationship. I
mean, that that's kind of a given in
any
relationship, but, you know Right. Right. It's like
relationship one zero one kinda deal. Yeah.
She says the men's role, we're still in
the men's role. Helping and taking care of
their princess is what makes you masculine
as a man, which
if you want to define your individual masculinity
that way, I'm saying go for it. Cool.
Cool.
Cool. But we're not gonna prescribe
to the rest of society
what is masculine. Like, art? I mean, we
are clearly, but we shouldn't.
They do say part of it is that
men, air quote this, naturally, want to provide
and take care of women, and they should
be allowed to do so emotionally, mentally, physically.
And in return, now I had to kinda
correlate these things based on different things that
in return, they get an ego boost to
make them feel good about themselves by letting
them do that for you.
Here's the thing. I I have no doubt
there are men who absolutely get the ego
boost, and they do feel masculine
in doing that.
But, again,
why are we just, like, doing a blanket
statement for what it means to be a
masculine man?
Like,
what? And and, you know okay.
An ego boost is great. Sure. Okay.
But,
you know, to me, it sounds something like
a little bit what we we've talked about
in the past. You know, that well running
dry.
Oh, yeah. For sure.
For sure. I mean,
is he getting what he needs? I don't
y'all, I don't usually stick up for cishet
men.
Not
but yeah. It's
what is he getting in return? Mhmm. And
if he's getting what he needs and wants,
again, cool. I think this can work for
some people. It's just too
there's it's too much of a blanket statement
about everything. Yeah. Which is why I said
before it was giving this is what a
true dom does. This is what a true
sub does. This is the one true way.
Yeah.
Now, princess role. There is a lot a
princess is expected to do and be. And
this is, it's
weirdly where I got probably a little bit
more annoyed.
Oh, boy.
Because man man is a princess who's being
taken care of. You got a lot of
fucking work to do and you better have
the money, the skills,
the access, the privilege
to be able to do it all. Okay.
So,
to be a princess
is to be soft and feminine
always
in everything. Now she I this is what
I like about this creator. She said Mhmm.
It's a it's a learned skill. You have
to practice it. You won't always get it
right. Like, there were things she said. I
was like, goddamn
I could be on your side, and it's
why I wanted to go to the source
and not what people were saying she was
saying. Because she was like, these things only
really work in a loving, healthy relationship. You
know,
you need to keep the lines of you
know, you need to talk about these things.
You don't wanna, like, fly off the handle,
but but but then there's this okay.
So be soft and feminine always
and be a
high value woman.
I don't like that term.
Now this is not this next one
is not how it was worded, but I
know what things mean. And so I'm translating.
Okay. Essentially,
she's saying I'll tell you what she said,
but this is how I
deciphered it. Mhmm. You as the princess,
especially in conflict, you need to emotionally regulate
yourself so that you can speak and say
what you need to in a kind soft
way.
And if you can't be kind and soft,
take a breather, come back when you can
be calm.
But you make sure that you are calm
so that your husband
will stay calm.
I was like, is he your child? I
I did that with the the chill the
children, you see.
I stayed calm
because I knew that would keep them calm.
Mhmm. Now do I am I
a rational human being who knows if I
don't fly off the handle,
you are less likely to fly off the
handle? Yes. That is true. But that is
not how that was talked about.
That is not how it was described. Okay.
She was like and this is what she
said that I appreciate.
When you're in conflict, they pissed you off.
Mhmm. They're mad at you. Whatever. Sort of
the implication mean they shouldn't be mad at
you. You're the princess. But
when somebody is upset between the two of
you, she was like, you as the princess,
figure out what you need to say so
that you feel like you have said everything
on your mind. And then once you've done
that, you need to be unbothered.
That's why I said emotionally regulate. You need
to be unbothered. You don't need to be
really upset or, you know, his hysterical.
Not being hysterical got used a lot in
these videos.
And
and by doing that, by being unbothered,
he will be calm as a result. And
I'm like,
yes.
If you stay calm, it is easier for
the other person to stay calm. But when
is it his responsibility to learn how to
emotionally regulate himself
and stay calm on his own long term?
Mhmm. What? So, yes. Basically, emotionally
princesses emotionally regulate yourself so your man will
stay calm and don't get hysterical over something.
I was like
okay. Because
and there were several videos about conflict. Because
it was like, how do I stay soft
while I'm mad at him? And I'm like,
sometimes you just fucking don't. Sometimes you're not
mean, you're not cruel, but you just say
the fucking thing.
And we assume he is a big boy
and has got his big boy panties on
and can handle you saying the thing. And
you don't have to, like, twist yourself in
the knots to say it in the princess
way. And I say that as somebody who
absolutely understands that in power exchange dynamics,
you can negotiate
to the best of your ability. How you're
gonna try and approach one another even in
conflict.
But we are human?
Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes a thing sounds great
in theory, but then you try to put
that, like
okay.
Now this one this one. Oh,
yes and no at the same time. Feed
into your husband's ego to make him feel
good.
Now parts of how this was explained were,
you know, let him know he's doing a
good job,
show gratitude, and give praise.
But it was never
expressed as do it because that's what you
should do because he is working hard for
you. Mhmm. It was he'll feel good about
himself and then he'll be more likely to
treat you like the princess that you are.
So we're not telling him thanks for being
the provider because that that's a type of
work, and we're grateful that you did it
for us.
But if we stroke your ego,
you'll treat us like a princess.
Yeah.
Wow. Yeah.
I'm the
Yep.
Dress feminine. Now I did get
some definition here. Okay. Okay? Alright. It's not
satisfying. It is truly where I started going,
I don't like this.
To dress feminine,
wear high quality materials
doesn't have to she said it doesn't have
to be wool or cashmere.
It just shouldn't look like you're wearing a
wrestler's uniform.
Well, that shiny spandex.
The privilege was showing so fucking deep. But
you know what? You know what? If you
if at least one of y'all is making
enough money where you can have Chanel ballet
flats as a present
and, you know, one of you can stay
home and live this life of luxury, clearly,
you have privilege.
But again, she's not giving that caveat. She's
not saying you're gonna need a whole hell
of a lot of money to do this.
She's saying, to be feminine, don't do these
things.
So,
high quality materials, no cheap looking clothing regardless
of material,
no unnatural colors, and no sequins. I was
like, well, clearly, I'm fucking out. But okay.
Okay.
Fucking
out. But okay. Okay. This is her definition.
She thinks that you can show skin, but
not too much. She literally said find the
balance. And her examples were, if I show
my arms and my shoulders, my dress will
be a little bit longer over my legs.
If I show my back, it will not
be low cut in the front. It's a
balance. It's about being a lady.
Yeah. Okay. Sorry.
I'm so sorry for anybody who's got, like,
a,
the sound thing and I keep gagging into
the microphone.
But for as much as I was like,
this has the potential to be like a
really cool dynamic if somebody would just fucking
negotiate it. Right. It's this part where I
was like, I don't like it.
Have a signature look. Figure out your signature
look. And, you know, as somebody who's, like,
wishes she had a sense of fashion, I
don't think that's necessarily bad advice. But if
you've also said, don't use anything that I
think is yucky and ugly and unfeminine, but
make it find your signature look.
Yeah.
What? Right. Yeah.
So that's that's how you dress feminine. Those
are the definitions. Okay. Now,
because it came up so often,
I should have noticed the irony
that multiple videos were about, I'm mad at
him. How do I stay soft?
She had some advice for that too. This
is compiled over a few videos. So no
yelling. To stay soft and feminine in conflict,
no yelling.
No masculine energy,
which was very poorly defined, but yelling,
sharp tone,
sarcasm,
those kinds of things. I think I think
fall under masculine energy.
Don't play games within your anger, which I
think that's good advice for everybody. Yeah. Again,
that's something that's kind of, you know. It's
sort of like say what the fuck you
mean and mean what you say and don't
right. Don't fuck with each other just because
you're mad. Right? And this one never got,
defined. So I I'm go back to maybe
the intended audience has an understanding.
Don't be hysterical,
which I think I what I took from
that is don't be shrieky, don't be shrewish.
Mhmm. Don't be screaming your head off. Don't
be no histrionics, no over the top whatever
whatever. Now, if you if you are in
a relationship where that is how y'all are
typically in conflict, I would say, I I
mean, I don't I think there's a problem
with the relationship somewhere.
Just in general, like, it shouldn't every argument
should not probably devolve into that. But to
say that you were somehow no longer a
princess and you're not being soft enough,
if
you come out strong and hard when you're
when you're upset about something. Mhmm. Because it
did not there was no, hey. If he's
genuinely wrong,
this you know, you might have a bigger
response versus, oh, you wanna be right, but
you kind of realizing. There was none of
that differentiation. It was like no matter the
conflict. So you're gonna tell me if this
motherfucker cheats on me, has three babies I
didn't know about, and two families in another
state, I should say soft
and calm in that?
Yes.
Apparently.
She and this is a a thing that
I appreciated
as an individual thing and she did say
it multiple times. Say your peace when you're
in conflict, say your peace and then let
it go and be unbothered. The only thing
I didn't like was the let it
go because it was not a you cannot
change him. He's gonna have the response he
has and then you're gonna hold a boundary
if you need it. It's you're gonna let
it go so you're not harping on it
And so then
we go back to you can emotionally regulate
your own husband because apparently he doesn't have
to do it on his own self.
I mean, that's not said directly but that
is the implication.
You're gonna be unbothered so you can kind
of be his peace and be calm. And
so he will be calm as a result
of you being calm.
Yes. That does happen that way. Mhmm. But
if But that comes a point. Every argument,
I'm keeping your ass calm, but you don't
have to keep my ass calm. Right. Like,
what are we doing here? And when did
you become my toddler that I was trying
to raise? That that is a that's a
yeah. That's no. No. I don't like that
either. Okay. No. No. No.
As a princess, you avoid sarcasm,
loud laughter. I I knew immediately I was
out.
And other air quote, non soft traits that
will now get this, embarrass your husband. Oh
my god.
Which here's the thing. If you have to
worry that you're embarrassing your partner, they're probably
not the right partner for you. I mean,
I guess you could be acting a damn
fool and they are legitimately embarrassed. That's one
thing. But if me have like,
having a loud laugh made my partner who
I've married and has said they're gonna provide
for me and treat me like a princess
made them cringe but they're also supposed to
be obsessed with me. Mhmm. Like that's the
thing. The man is supposed to be obsessed
with can't can't stop thinking about can't get
enough of his princess.
But I'm I can't have my natural laugh.
I can't have a witty like, you're supposed
to be this demure, docile woman, which is
why, of course, people get pissed off about
this princess treatment thing, and it is closely
associated with trad wives.
And yes, it is problematic.
I'm just saying. I wouldn't mind if somebody
tied my shoes every once in a while.
Give me the snark. Give me the sassie.
I get it. Okay.
You are supposed to be well mannered
and understand etiquette.
This was clearly another one of those,
if you're on the in group, you understand
exactly what she means by that. I'm not
in the in group. I understand the term
etiquette, but it's like Yeah. I immediately go
to, but what whose etiquette? Like,
miss Yeah. Yeah.
Internet edit? Like High protocol.
Thank you. Yeah. Like, who's who's standard?
So
I I do fall back on the I
am not the intended audience. And just like
in kink where we kind of all speak
a language, a a non kink person might
not know what the fuck we're talking about.
This is a situation where the intended audience
who wants this will have an understanding,
hopefully, of what the hell she means. But
Yeah. Lay people like myself who are clearly
not soft and feminine,
we would not get it.
Okay. Now
this is where I stopped being kind of
annoyed again because
communication is encouraged.
She acknowledges if you want something's
a specific experience or even a specific gift
from your husband, you have to communicate that.
And she shared a tip that I was
like,
oh, shit. Okay.
She did this for Valentine's Day. This is
how she got the type of she got
the vibe on Valentine's that she wanted. She
wanted a specific vibe. She wanted flowers. She'd
like a gift. She did not Mhmm. Say
what, and she wanted to feel like a
princess.
K. Cool.
This was cool, though. She created a mood
board,
sent it to him via text. This was
not the first time he was used to
this. Okay?
So once he got it, he was like,
is this exactly what you want? Or is
this just the vibe you're going for? She's
like, this is the vibe I want.
Like, use it as a guide,
but give me this this feeling on Valentine's
Day. Okay. And I was like, that is
great for direct communication. Yeah. Especially if you
can't quite put it into words, you don't
really wanna put it into words. Mhmm. Or
if you know your partner does better with
visual,
you know, information.
Cool.
But then she says No. She ruins it
every fucking time.
Then she says, yes. But it took me
years to train my husband
to do this for me.
Which if you wondered, could princess treatment would
the princess be the submissive of this
if this translated to power exchange? I don't
think so. I I yeah. I I yeah.
No. I think that's I think that's the
dumb right there.
Yeah.
Now I put this under communication
again, even though we've talked about it because
it it is
fascinating, and I appreciate
that she is saying,
keep yourself calm in these arguments. But she
says, say what you need to say when
you're upset and do it calmly.
She says, and I like this because most
people don't get this advice. Come back to
the discussion later if you can't be calm
initially.
I need some time. Yeah. We'll come back
to it. She says, I do it all
the time. She's like, just there are a
lot of videos. She was like, just last
week. Just last week. I was like,
is everything good in paradise?
Like,
I'm
nosy and curious. But I did not watch
her whole fucking feed. I just focused on
the princess treatment once. So who the hell
knows? Yeah.
But yeah. That is good advice,
you know.
Keep yourself as calm as you can. If
you cannot speak about this calmly, take a
break, come back to it.
Coo. Coo coo coo. Coo coo. Love it.
Yeah. That and that
that's, again, good advice all around. And then
she follows it up, let me say again,
with, but it took her years to train
her husband.
And here's why. Because she's never once and
maybe now, especially now that she's creating content,
she's got all this influence. I'm sure that
hopefully they're not just fucking acting like this
is a natural way, state of being.
Because if you have to explain all the
rules to it then it's clearly not natural.
It's a it's a role you put on.
Again, perfectly fucking fine. We're all kinky around
here. Right? Like, we put on roles every
fucking day.
But, like, and and none of this does
she say sit your husband down and talk
about it. She also does not really imply
that they talk about it now.
It's she trained him to to teach to
treat her the way she wanted to be
treated.
Look, we do teach the people in our
lives how we want to be treated.
Yes.
But that shouldn't be the only way we
do it. Sometimes we we do have to,
like, actually say our words
and go, this is this is what I'm
going for. Can how how can we get
here? How how can we make this happen?
Okay.
So in that,
we're training him to give you the princess
treatment.
She suggests that you warm your warm up
your husband to the idea
of princess treatment.
But don't I mean, there was one video.
I wanna say if I'm I think I'm
remembering accurately. Mhmm. Don't have a direct conversation
about it. Just warm warm him up. He
will treat you the way you treat
yourself. K. So there's there's a list.
And some of this is not bad advice.
Okay? Mhmm. Talk
about yourself in kind, uplifting ways.
That's great life advice. Yeah. I think that's
wonderful. Everybody should. Right. Don't downplay compliments. And
she gave the example instead of you when
your your partner goes, you look really nice
to you. And I've gone, oh, this old
thing. Just she says, I go she says
she has two responses she'll give. Either
thank you,
appropriate
Mhmm.
Or I know. And I'm like that's sass
right there. Like that's honesty if you know
you look good Yeah. Just to go, I
know.
But
her whole thing was, if you are putting
yourself down,
then your husband
won't,
like, won't say nice things. You're teaching them
that you don't think you matter and so
then they won't treat you like there was
an implication there and I was like, that's
uncomfortable.
Yeah. I don't like that. But I do
like the fact that don't downplay compliments. Just
accept them and, you know, you don't have
to agree with them. You can just go
thank you and move on. Right?
The other.
It's because we're training our husband now. We're
not talking to him. We're warming him up
to princess treatment. He will air quote naturally
want to do these things for you.
Because remember, he's a high value
man who's very very masculine in his masculine
and masculine is all. He's the manliest man
who ever manned.
Clearly. So he will want to treat you
like his princess
because of that. Not because you talked about
it. Not because you've expressed interest.
Not for any of that.
I I just had this this crazy image
that this is like a way to sugarcoat
a power exchange.
Oh, sure. It's gonna be a power exchange.
We're not gonna talk call it that. We're
not gonna negotiate it. We don't have explicit
and informed consent. People should just know Yeah.
That this is how you're supposed to treat
me. Look, I love the fucking idea
of being treated like the you know, a
softer,
more delicate version of myself and being able
to be soft because goddamn
of their times I don't get that luxury.
Right? Right. Hold my hand when we cross
the street. Let me just leave my purse
at home. Let me, like, turn off my
brain. How many submissives say that
in different situations.
Right? That's why when I first saw, like,
the random video that wasn't from this creator,
it was somebody showing what Prince's treatment meant
to them. I was like, did am I
in the kink world? Because that that sounds
power exchangey to me.
But it's in the how that we get
there where I'm like
especially when she's giving good life advice sometimes
Mhmm. But then pairs it with but don't
actually tell your husband anything.
Yeah. I know.
Okay. I know. So we're back to you
because I mentioned it before. Mhmm. Give praise
and show gratitude to your husband again
to feed his ego, to make him feel
good. Because if you make him feel good,
he'll wanna make you feel good. Guess what?
That is also true, but that is not
the only way we do this. That should
not be the only half.
No. Like, yeah. Be kind to your partner
and and,
you know, let them help them feel good
about themselves. Fucking of course. But it's so
transactional. It's like, I'm gonna put in thank
yous and I'm going to receive you tied
my shoes for me.
I don't love that either. Now here's some
really good life advice, I think, especially for
somebody who, you know, wants to have that
kind of relationship where they do as a
wife, they devote themselves to their husband or
whatever. This was good life advice. She's like,
take care of yourself. Take care of how
you look. Make sure you have hobbies.
Take pride in your home. Now the problem
I had with it I had problems, if
you couldn't tell.
Is it this advice supposes that this is
what you wanna do. Now I I'll give
her credit here. When she was giving advice,
she said,
I wanted to be a stay at home
mom and this is the kind of princess
I want to be. She did not then
say, but there are so many ways to
be a princess. That's when she said, I'm
not a trad wife because I don't wanna
do this, that, and the other.
But I was like,
but what if you don't
care about doing all these home things and
and the
high high value people with all this money
and privilege. You could probably pay somebody to
do that for you. So Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Like, the supposition that you want to take
care of your home, again, if you do
and you want that to be part of
your relationship,
I want that for you. Yeah. But this
is more of a this is what you're
supposed to do because you're a woman. You're
a soft feminine woman,
and this is how that should look. Yeah.
Okay.
So
now, here's a thing
that I appreciated because it is true. Okay.
She says
explicitly,
compatibility
is important.
I mean, I was like, how can you
put these gems out where I'm like, I
respect you as somebody talking about relationships and
then you say this shit. What the hell?
So she's like, look for a partner who
wants what you want. I mean, she she
says look for a partner who wants you
to stay at home and be the provider.
Okay. But if you're not supposed to
communicate to them what you want
See this is Okay? Because they're gonna just
do what they should do.
Because here's where I think we fall back
on. We I am not the target audience.
You're not the target audience. Because
in this sphere of the Internet and part
of the sphere of the world,
right, to say be masculine, be feminine,
be a a high value
man or woman, that's code to people who
are already
trying to live this life. They have
an idea, a picture in their head already
before you even said the words of what
that means.
So she's speaking in code to the people
who are really her target audience. Us outsiders
Yeah. Especially those of us who are pissed,
we're not it. She's not talking to us.
She's telling other woman how to get what
she what they perceive that she has because
of the Internet. And she may have this
wonderful relationship. And again Mhmm. Short of could
you please go get your husband's explicit and
informed consent? Like, more power to you.
But, yeah, to say that,
you know, looking for a partner who wants
what you want, that means they have to
you have to suppose that they understand what
you mean when you say you wanna be
soft and feminine. Like, they have to have
a pre
disposed idea of what that is. What it
is. Which, guess what? Here's where the problems
come in. You mean a man who was
not the target audience, did not live that
life of privilege, was not raised with that.
There's gonna be a lot of confusion because
you've you're also being told don't tell them
what you want. Right. Just warm them up
to it it and train them. Mhmm.
Mhmm.
Now this one I wrote down because I
was like damn fucking straight.
Look for a partner who understands that taking
care of the home
requires work and effort and appreciates that work
and effort. And that's solid. Yes. Yeah. That
is for all genders. Yes. Right. If you
were gonna be the one that takes care
of the home in any way or you
want support in taking care of the home
and it's a team effort Cleaning, maintaining a
home is good. Now she does add the
caveats of decorating and making sure, you know,
it it falls with with seasons. And and
I'm like, oh, you're talking about people who
have
money or crafting skills, but still okay. Again,
I'm not the target audience. But I like
that. I was like, yes. That is something
more people in general, for sure, need to
hear. But also, women who are saying that
they are willing to give up a certain
level of financial control for themselves and independence
to be provided for.
Yes, please. Let's let's make sure we're with
somebody who acknowledges the effort you're putting in
to do this stuff. Right? That's
wonderful life advice.
Some people were asking, but what do you
tell people? How do you explain this? You
know, what if somebody else is gonna what
are they gonna think? Right? And I immediately
thought back to kink and when so many
people were like, what are they gonna what
should I tell people about them? Yeah. And
you and I were like, you ain't got
dumb shit if you don't want to. Right.
That is
a 100% her view. You don't have to
explain yourself, your life, or what princess treatment
is to you. You You just get to
live your life. And if people are confused,
let them be confused. Right? I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. And this is another moment I'm like,
Yes.
I'm with you. I'm so with you on
this conversation.
Yeah.
And then, you know, and then it gets
ruined by saying something like,
train your husband or warm him up or
whatever whatever.
So
that was a long windy path of what
Prince's treatment is. I did
I did have some, like, talking about power
exchange, specifically. I think we've we've touched on
these. Right? Yeah. The first one I want
to touch on, and I I should have
maybe I said it at the beginning, but
it's been fifty five minutes now. I don't
know.
Prince's treatment, if that if there if you
vibe with that, that should not be gendered.
You might call it something else if princess
is not the right term for you. But
also,
I think you could be the air quote
this because it means something different to everybody.
The most masculine human being on the planet.
If you wanna be called princess, honey, I
support it. Like, be called fucking princess and
get treated like the princess you are.
Yeah. So, you know, for me, that's immediately
the very first conflict between
what this is as it's described
by this creator in this viral moment versus
power exchange.
It is there
are there kinksters who think, oh, all the
men
are doms and all the women are subs
and they abso fucking lutely mean
cisgender
heterosexual
men and women when they're using that. Right?
Of course, those people exist. Yeah. Way more
of us
understand
any fucking gender can be any fucking role
because Mhmm. There's
there's no set of characteristics
that match a role, which is, you
know, that whole
high value man and woman. And what what
is feminine and masculine mean? Because it's too
vague of a fucking word. Again, unless you
know the code,
you're part of this in group. You're like,
oh, that's that's a signal. I know what
that means. The rest of us are like,
what the fuck do you mean by that?
Because it can mean so many different things.
And, you know,
if both people involved
want that and they know that, you know,
they that they apparently have their little code
words and stuff, and that's fine. We have
our code words too. Right.
You know, if that's what they want,
that's fine. You know,
it's not something I would seek out. Right.
Right. Okay.
So, you know, but the
parallels
Mhmm.
Between
princess treatment and d s is It's definitely
there. And I think and I get why
feminists on the Internet of all genders
got so pissed because it is it is
that stereotype that says women are supposed to
be this, men are supposed to be that.
It assumes heterosexual relationships
and the roles that are,
you know, a given. Like, that's not a
choice. This is just what you do because
this is who who you air quote are.
Right?
Whereas yeah. Like, one of the things I
put in my notes is
any power exchange dynamic, this could be applicable
to because you open doors for me. Correct.
You know?
Would I let you tie my shoes if
I was, like, sexy and, like, it meant
something? I probably I'm like, okay. That's, you
know, because it's a power thing. Right. When
I first heard about Prince's treatment and what
some of the activities were,
my one of my first thoughts was, oh,
I wonder, because I don't know enough about
it, how much that the activities
parallel, like, the fifties housewife thing. Right? Right.
But
I'm sure there are parallels because, like I
said, I don't know enough about that dynamic.
But there is the
the fifties housewife dynamic
tends to be somebody who is
like, I'm
I don't know how to say what I
think might be different. Maybe I just won't
because I I could see how people could
do everything word for word here and make
it part of their
house you know, their fifties Mhmm. Dynamic or
whatever. Because but I can also see caregiver
little dynamics being like that. Because
and any type of submissive because how many
submissives get called princess? Yep.
I we sell we get a lot of
requests for shit with crowns on it. Okay?
Yeah.
There are a lot of y'all that are
princess out there.
Mhmm.
But
yeah. I agree. This could be any this
these activities
Yeah. Could be any dynamic. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Absolutely any dynamic.
Let's see. And like anything else, you know,
it's it's
a spectrum.
Yes. Absolutely.
I've sweated through my hair.
The other thing,
it was absolutely touched on the live chat
comments when I could glance at them. That
was four pages of notes down. I ain't
gotta look at comments so much.
There is no talk when
describing princess treatment
of what
in a fulfilling way is in it for
the man. Now let's be real. He gets
a clean fucking house. He you know, he
all he has to do is go focus
on work. He's got a wife that hopefully
he thinks is very pretty and he's absolutely
in love with her and they have great
hot sex if that's what they wanna do.
Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But
like, because he this the man in this
situation, from what I can tell, is never
explicitly
asked, do will you treat me like the
princess? And this is what I mean by
that. Right? Right. And that's where, of course,
it differentiates from power exchange because both sides
of the slash and power exchange are receiving
something for this. Now what they're receiving could
be completely opposite to what their partner is
receiving. Right? Yeah. Or have different a different
meaning for each of them. But everybody's receiving
something that is hopefully
99.9%
of the time equally fulfilling. Yeah. Maybe completely
different in the fulfillment, but fulfilling for everybody
involved.
The man in this situation, because this is
very, very misogynist. It's very sexist. You know,
he's got a lot of benefits there.
But when I think back to the very
beginning, when we're talking about what Prince's treatment
look like. That's a lot of fucking work
too. Mhmm. Now It is. Showing gratitude and
praising,
absolutely,
should be part of it. But
what happens when he don't wanna do that
anymore?
What happens when he gets sick? Or is
he supposed to repay her for that time
that she had to take care of everybody
and him?
That repayment thing fucked me up, man.
Yeah. Yeah. I was inconvenienced
because you weren't here to do things for
me and treat me like the pretty, pretty
princess that I am. So you have to
pay me. And yet he's on that trip
for work to provide and
Yeah. There there's some there's definitely some problematic
parts.
Yeah. But that's the thing I'd be curious
about. Like, do I want,
up? No. I don't want a supposed
HV man. I can't even say it anymore
and I don't wanna gag in the night
of nowhere. An HV man. I don't we
the manosphere
already tells us what they get. Get. Whatever.
Yeah. Thank you. HVM. HVM, whatever.
The manosphere is already telling us what they
get. They get the ego boost. They get
the this. They get to that. But that's
for the people who are in on it.
They know Mhmm. They know. What about
I know there's probably not a lot of
them. But what about the unsuspecting
guy
whose wife just found a TikTok, went down
a rabbit hole, and is now training him
to do all these things for her? Like,
I know. I know there are people of
any and all genders who get great satisfaction
from taking care of a person they care
about. Sure. I'm a service fucking sub. I
get a lot of satisfaction.
But I also have full
ability to go,
I have a migraine.
I am overwhelmed. Right. Oh, daddy, my my
cup need my well needs to be refilled.
I've been giving a lot. Right?
If there's no avenue for this man who
maybe wants to take care of his wife
in this way to say,
I I need to rest. I need a
nap. I need a Right. You know, I
need a I need a break too, especially
if you were doing all of the things
for her.
That's a lot to do for somebody.
I know there are dons out there who
do that for their subs.
And I'm assuming
you have talked about it, negotiated it. Everybody
has the freedom to withdraw consent at any
point, and you can change the terms as
long as you can both agree on things.
Right? That's the fucking difference, though.
Yeah.
Man, you you gotta be some kind of
fucked up to make me feel bad for
nameless, faceless
men who get to be considered
a HV
man
and have a a pretty little housewife.
Like, I mean,
are we in the upside down? Like, I
am very sympathetic to cis cis men.
I'm raising one. Okay?
But
damn. How how is it I'm looking at
this privileged life going, I feel so sorry
for him.
He does not need my pity, but shit,
he needs some
lessons on consent negotiating.
Right.
And making sure you are receiving as well
as giving in a relationship.
Yes.
And, you know, I think ultimately,
that is where I am the most
like, for all the little things that make
me go, what the actual fuck? That is
the part that really bothers me the most
is you could have this life. You could
have it vanilla. You could have it kinked.
Mhmm. But just have a fucking conversation
about it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
This whole train your husband warm him up.
There I don't remember if I said it
because there's four pages of notes.
But there were definitely, like,
he should just
know. He should just know. He should he
should just know that you need this. You
want this. This is how you're supposed to
be treated.
You know, if you if you really think
about it, and I pointed it out, I
think a couple times now,
you know, some of the stuff,
you know, you you don't tell your husband
you do it because they just know what
to do,
but yet you need to find somebody compatible.
So it How did you even do that?
It contradicts itself. Well, and that's why I
go back to this is a very specific
type of world, type of Yeah. Potentially conservative.
I'm sure there's some
non conservative people and maybe just little c
conservative people. Like, it's not necessarily political thing,
who
this is a this is a shared experience
and shared language. There's code Mhmm. Is part
of it. You know? This means something to
a very specific type of person who's probably,
in some ways, already immersed
in this way of thinking. And those of
us who were like, yeah. We are rejecting
all of that shit
and also twisting it to work for ourselves
and make it kinky.
You know, that maybe we just don't like,
I'm not meant to understand what the fuck
that means and a certain type of man
might, especially, god help us if he's
what's it called? Red pilled? I've that's not
a thing I ever wanna have to talk
about.
Even though we probably should because I know
that there's some of those air quote alpha
guys who are using the language of kink
to get their air quote naturally submissive female
partner.
But that's a side tangent. That's not about
this.
But yeah. It's
like
be treated like a princess. Have that fucking
life.
If you are privileged enough to to be
able to afford that level of it, I'm
like,
you do you, baby. Mhmm. Yeah. Absolutely.
How are we doing this and never having
So that's Princess treatment versus power exchange.
I mean, I'm I'm I would I'm not
gonna lie. I would at some point when
my brain does not feels like Swiss cheese,
would love to have the conversation about how
I can feel more princess like. Because, you
know, it's funny because when I'm
when I'm watching the, like, surface level videos
of people just showing this is what Princess
Treatment means to me, it is all
turn off brain.
Oh, yeah. Don't have to think about it.
Don't have to make one more decision. Don't
have to carry one more, you know,
emotional labor or or the invisible labor of
running the house. You just get to, like,
shut that down and let somebody else take
care of you. And that is attractive to
a lot of us regardless of gender.
And I would love some of that.
And those kinds of reels, they, they like,
I'm like, oh, maybe I need to send
this to my daddy because
here are some examples of some things I
would like.
Yes, I would love
to, like, have a little bit of that
more often in life.
But fuck, I'm gonna
talk to you about it. Yeah.
Let me see if she wants to go
in. Sure.
So I guess
princess treatment is not, in my view, is
not inherently bad. To want a relationship where
one of you is treated like the pretty,
pretty princess that you are, I think you
should have that. I just
I I hate that it is so tied
up in stereotypical
gender roles because that just leaves out so
many fucking people.
I hate that it's so prescriptive. This is
what a woman is. This is what a
man is. This is what masculine is.
And just the lack of clear communication. I
just don't understand how you can give such
good advice on. You need to say what
you're feeling and tell them, get it out.
When you are upset, let them know.
And you could say that on the one
hand, on the other hand, it's like, but
but don't tell them you want this.
Make them figure it out.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah. That's
I made my throat hurt, and I'm hot
and sweaty now. So, And did I bring
in a hair tie? No. I did not.
No. So, are we good? I don't know.
I don't know. But we're here. Here we
are. We are. Okay.
Keep it kinky, y'all. And we'll see you
not next week, but the week after.
Lola's howling. You sent her to the other
room, and she's howling. Yeah.
Oh, brushing up against the mic. Exactly like
she wanted to go to bed.
I think
that she thinks it's time that we should
all be sitting on the couch. That's true.
And she was trying to let you know
that we need to all leave this room
and go where the couch
is.
So
yeah.
Yeah. Prince's treatment
and power exchange.
There's so many elements that I'm like, oh,
that could be so fucking kinky. That could
be so cool. That could be oh, yeah.
That's we have already pulled that in. Not
we, you, and me, but, like, kinksters in
general. We've got that shit in dynamics left,
right, and center.
And and yet,
because there's no nuance on the fucking Internet,
if a kinkster was talking about their version
of Prince's treatment and it happened to go
viral,
people would condemn
it just as much, if not more Right.
As that.
Because what how and why would somebody choose,
air quote, that choose that role?
Well, because we're allowed to if we want
to. If you can find a compatible partner
who's willing to Well do that with you.
Taishu pointed out a very good thing in
the live chat. Even the rewards are gender
stereotype based. Eco boost for the man, physical
and financial gifts for the woman. Yeah. I
didn't even make that connection, but yeah. Good
good kit. Good call. And yes to I
can't see it because y'all y'all got chatty.
Manipulation. Yes. It there's a lot of manipulation
happening. Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Problem. Yep.
Yep.
Yeah. So I'd be very interested. Comments,
other places where we can be contacted. If
somebody is living there, the kink version of
this
without all the the, like, problematic parts, like,
you know,
what do you do you have a name
for your dynamic or is it just power
exchange? That's just how you express it? Is
it part of a caregiver
little thing? Is it, you know, is it
the fifties housewife thing? Like
but yeah. Yeah.
So now bonus section. See, I really did
get
invested in this topic and so now it's
kind of all I can think about. I
could y'all, I said this in our Discord
that you can access through our Patreon.
I could write a college essay now on
princess treatment. The the notes I took. Yeah.
And I sat through
so many TikToks.
The only way I could watch the TikToks
without creating an account or signing into an
account, because I know you used to you
have an old account. Mhmm. I had to
go on an actual browser, like, through Google,
do a search, pull it up,
and then I could I could find it.
And she's got a lot of other content,
and you could see where she went viral
for a while and, like, all her views,
like, phew, spiked. And then she's kinda, like,
Now leveled out. And she doesn't just talk
about princess
treatment,
but whole playlist.
So
yeah.
So bonus section. Yep. Why are we not
having an episode next week?
I have to tell this story because Go
ahead. Tell this story. Not that big, but
it's sort of like a what? Who was
anybody communicating with anybody else?
The 19 year old who will be become
the 20 year old this coming Sunday. Fucking
wild. How do I have a 20 year
old? Anyway,
he is moving out of his,
current apartment because he's leaving the apartment complex
and he'll be moving in to a different
apartment complex. Now these apartments are in a
college town and they are set up they're
not dorms, but they are set up set
up like student housing. Thank you. I love
you so much.
Podcast listeners, JB got me a hair tie.
So it's a shared apartment kind of thing,
but they also have a gap between
if you are leaving that complex, what move
out day is, and if you are coming
into a new complex, what move in day
is. And it's like a two week gap,
which makes sense. They gotta get the empty
spaces cleaned up or, you know, repairs or
whatever, so for a new person coming in.
So we have known this whole time, once
he decided he wanted to leave that complex,
they were raising his rent by way more
than he wanted to pay, which I don't
plan. Mhmm.
That he was gonna
the move out date's like July.
How many days are in July? I don't
know. But the July.
He was gonna move out the weekend before
that because we are helping him move.
He's only got his little bike that is
a round town bike, not a get on
the highway and do 65 bike. So we
were coming to get him
to move him out. I said we when
we get there, I am not packing a
single fucking box. Get your shit together. Be
ready for us. We'll help you move the
boxes. We won't help you pack the boxes.
I'm not packing
shit. Anyway,
so we've always known the plan was gonna
be we picked Sunday, the twenty seventh. That
was the day we were going to get
him. Nobody had any things that we no.
Actually, we were we have game night that
night.
But it was gonna be at night. It
wasn't gonna be a big deal. We're doing
this all in the morning.
Anyway,
he gets a notice
from his apartment complex today
that
he is being
relocated to a different apartment in the complex
starting the twenty third, which is next Wednesday,
because they're doing
doing a remodel in that unit that he
lives in.
But his official move out day is the
thirty first.
So they put that notice in for everybody
who lives in that apartment,
that specific unit,
and not everybody's leaving. So I understand they're
like, we're just gonna shove you over here,
and when we're done, we'll bring you on
back. But he literally had a fucking week,
and I was like, they could've delayed this
by Yeah.
To move out day and just timed it
all. I'm I'm sure there's a reason.
So he texts me and they and sends
me a copy of this letter and goes,
what the fuck is this shit? It's like,
that's how I know you're my child because
that's the appropriate response. And so we scrambled
and went because he has to be out
by 9AM on the twenty fourth.
And I was like, I don't want to
have
I don't wanna get there so early on
the twenty fourth for you to be it
to be empty Yeah. At 9AM. I said,
so we'll be there on the twenty third.
And then after I said that
and changed the U Haul reservation
and changed, a vet appointment for Ella
and made sure that another appointment for the
youngest did not conflict with how long we
think we needed. Then I looked at the
calendar and realized it was Wednesday.
Never dull moment.
No. It's gonna be very interesting. So, yeah,
he's coming home four four days later than
we originally planned. There was always that gap,
and I totally get the gap. I just
don't know why they wouldn't have timed all
of this with their own upcoming
gap. I I don't know. I
I I wanna believe there's a reason. Well,
judging from what I've seen when we last
time I was up there with you,
they are literally gutting the apartments,
carpet.
New owners came in, what, last summer? And
they did not raise, rent rates
last when they came in, but they added
a bunch of amenities. So we everybody knew,
increases were coming. And they started remodeling rooms,
which needed it. Desperately needed it. I mean,
it wasn't It wasn't terrible. Wasn't terrible, but
yeah.
It looked like student housing.
So yeah. So it's all just been bumped
up a few days, but Yeah. I was
in this weird headspace and I was like,
I should never say to the universe, please
not one more thing. Right. Because the universe
will go, I will give you Hold my
breath. Two things. You didn't want one? Not
a problem. I won't give you one. I'll
give you two or three. Here you go.
Have fun though. Yeah.
So, yeah, we were just like, I was
like, I already feel like I'm scrambling and
my and my brain already doesn't like that
feeling. Like, I had this mapped out in
my head of how I thought this was
supposed to go and we're pivoting. And now
I've got that, friends, episode in my head.
They're moving a couch down the stairs, and
Ross is like, pivot.
Sorry. Sorry.
Went off on a a tangent. A tangent
there. Yeah. That's okay. But I'm not neurospicy.
It's fine. Anyway,
so I just it's gonna be fine.
He's gonna get moved out. He's gonna be
home. We will all three
be sharing the one car, and he still
has classes in Gainesville.
Yeah. He's taking a summer course. It's gonna
be interesting. It's Monday through Friday. And he
has a class. I think it's, like, at
either ten or eleven and then a class
at, like, one or two.
So smack dab in the middle of the
day, which I didn't really get the implications
of until I need Ella went to the
vet today. That's a moment that she had
today. Yeah. And I needed to reschedule next
week's appointment because we're going to be moving
him on the day and
so I'm talking to the
lady at the office to find I'm like,
I need morning because afternoons, there's all kinds
of shit going on. Like, I need morning.
But I had like, I'm looking for eight,
08:15, 08:30 because if he's got a class
at ten or eleven, he's probably getting on
the road at nine, 09:30. And I'm like,
oh, for three weeks. It's actually two weeks
because
the last week before he can move in,
class will be over. He won't be in
a class. He'll be fine.
I was like, okay. How many how many
lifts am I gonna have to schedule?
Should we rent a car?
Not that he could drive. He could drive
the ratty old one. I don't know. It'll
be interesting. Yeah. No. He wouldn't we wouldn't
be able to. He's he's too young. Yeah.
No. And I wouldn't let him anyway. We're
already nervous about him driving the ratty old
car. Because in that ratty old car, he's
had two accidents and gotten three tickets. Right.
And last time we let him borrow it,
we went to pick it up,
and it had a flat tire. That flat
tire was not his fault. Well
The tickets and the accidents were absolutely his
fault. But, yeah, it's just the the I
know. Whole karma thing that He's a better
driver than he used to be when he's
not depressed over the end of a situationship.
That's I'm not going into that. It's not
my business. That's his business. But I had
I chose to ride in the car with
him while he was going through it. And
I was like, no.
No. We won't do that again. Yeah. No.
That was my mistake too. We won't do
that again. I regretted that. Like, there's literally
his two parental figures in the vehicle with
him, and it it never dawned on him
not to push my
13 year old, a 110,000
mile car
beyond 80 fucking miles per hour. I'm like,
wow. You really don't give a fuck, do
you, kid? Alright. He doesn't. He really doesn't.
Mister Spock, no. We had to stop and
get gas too. Oh, yeah. My my child
no. That's not true.
One time. No. He One time he brought
he gave me the keys back and there
was guy he he was a it was
my Mother's Day or my birthday present. He's
like, I got gas for you. Mhmm. And
look, I remember being young and broke and
feeling like hot shit when I could, like,
pay for a thing. I bought my mom
the McDonald's Diet Coke. I did something. Look.
I'm I might be 46, but I still
get that thrill. I'm like, sure.
I'll buy you this drink, mom, after she
just paid for the lunch
and we had an appetizer.
Whatever. Whatever. It's fine.
So, yeah. That's it's gonna be a little
chaotic for a couple weeks. Well, you know,
Silent
in where he is for school,
he could actually take the bus for free.
Oh, yeah. He can.
When he's living in Gainesville, he can absolutely
take the bus. He he hates it, but
he can't. Mhmm. But in where we live,
there is a bus system, but It it's
scattered. It's not mass transit enough. No. No.
No.
No. And to get from where we live
to where he needs to be for school
But, yeah, the the the university town that
he's in, they have a a very
Apparently, they not just for summer, but for
budget cuts. Cut the schedule, though. I know.
There's tens of thousands of students at town,
but
sure. Cut the bus schedule before the fall
semester.
Anyway,
but Ella had to reschedule an appointment for
her. Ella,
After the
litter fiasco of previous,
bone resections,
she was still peeing funny. So we're like,
let's let's get her to the vet. Yeah.
And we know she has to be sedated
before she could go. Both the girls are
very spicy with strangers,
especially if you start poking and prodding Ella.
She's like, I'll let you cuddle me until
one wrong move and fuck you. And then
then I'm done. So she gets sedated. We
got a whole different kind of, gabapentin for
the sedation, which was cool. Wasn't remembering two
pills. It was just one Yeah. One blah
blah blah, whatever whatever.
She was she's high as a fucking kite.
Her pupils were so big. Big. And she
was a little wobbly in her her carrier.
And I left her in her carrier for,
like, when they didn't need to deal with
her, it was like but then when they
did need to look at her, I was
holding her and she was leaning into me
and she's like Mhmm. As docile as Ella
is capable of.
And, apparently,
she, has the hots for the vet too
because she was like, I'll be your best
friend now. He's not a dumbass. He was
feeding her treats.
Finished he emptied out the cat treats. He
was like, oh, you're getting my last drink.
He was just steady putting treats up right
over to get her shots.
And she was loving him, and I'm like,
same girl. Mhmm.
And so she was the sweetest
precious baby
during the year. Work with Onyx. No. God,
no. There when we get her in, they're
really gonna
knock her out or Twilight Sedation. Anyway Yeah.
So then for the blood blood draw, they're
gonna try and get a urine sample. They're
gonna try and get a fecal. They're gonna
do all this stuff. They're like, do you
mind if we take her to the back?
And I'm like, no. You're gonna have to
take her to the back, but you go
do what you gotta do. Yeah.
And however they're set up back there, they
must have been, like, fairly close to the
door
because I knew the moment they started doing
shit she didn't like because
Ella has a very distinctive meow, and
she was voicing her displeasure. And then
she was pissed. I heard that.
And then I heard,
oh gosh. And I was like and it
got quiet.
And then I heard
Ella being so mad,
so mad.
So
the the doc the vet comes back in
and he goes, okay. Look. He's like,
we only were able to do enough of
a blood draw for one of the tests.
She has hit her limit. She is too
stressed out. I don't even think I would
trust the results if we tried to continue
taking blood and, you know, to get all
these this testing done. He's like, so what
we're gonna do is we're gonna reschedule you
for, like, next week
and give her time. And this is all
we'll do. We won't do a full exam.
She'll get stressed, but it she'll just this
is it.
And I was like, okay.
And, of course, they give her back to
me, and she's just looking at me like,
I don't know what the fuss is about.
I'm fine.
But, yeah, I I just I looked at
the vet and went, oh, I'm so sorry.
And he's like, no. That was us stressing
her out. And I went, I knew I
liked you. I didn't say that, Tammy. I'm
not Yeah. I'm weird, but I'm not, like,
weird where people can see it. We're stranger.
In my vanilla life, I'm not weird where
people can see it. So
no.
But yeah. Poor Ella.
And I've gotten so spoiled
with JB going to when we do go
to the vet, JB goes with me. I'd
actually forgotten
exactly why he goes with me. He goes
with me when we take Lola because
Lola does not listen to me the way
that she listens to her daddy. Okay?
I mean, when he says sit, we both
look around for where we can plant our
asses.
Dom voice works for
people in dog's life. All y'all.
All y'all. Yeah.
But I had forgot you have gone to
you you just go to her appointments with
me, and I had forgotten that I had
said I need you to come with me.
She if she pulls against me, I'm screwed.
So when he was clearly not making plans
to go to the vet with me for
Ella,
I was like,
are you going? He's like, why the fuck
was that? Right.
Like, because this is what we do together.
We go gawk at the hot vet together.
You did miss the opportunity. I I know
that. And I know that. I'm I'm well
aware of that, the opportunity that I missed.
And it was a good opportunity. It was
looking good. But I I was I was
playing with sharp things.
I'm pretty sure you can play the Sharp
Things with the vet too, but that's that's
a different kink, and y'all should negotiate that.
Yeah.
Yeah. I did say when we
nobody has to go with Onyx other than
to drop off because
Onyx will not take medication. You cannot hide
medication in her food.
If anything smells even slightly different,
she just won't eat. Right. There is no
hiding it. She's like that even if it's
like a different batch. Like, when when Friskies
made the food that day, they did something
different. There there was there was, just recently
last month in the in the, box,
one flavor of the food, they changed something,
and she would not touch it.
That girl knows her smells and her taste,
and you cannot fool her or fuck with
her. So we can't hide medication and food.
She is also very difficult to try and
hold. You get one shot to grab her,
and you better mean it because so the
idea of trying to shove medication down our
throat, like, we can't even fathom it now.
No.
So I was like, can can somebody tell
me what the cost would be? She needs
her wellness visit. She needs her full checkup.
She needs her rabies shot, blah blah
blah. But we are not gonna get the
sedative in her
at home. It's not gonna happen. So, like,
yes. We do this, and it's a twilight
sedation, and you drop them off, and they
give them a shot, and it sedates them.
And then wait for them to be fully
sedated. They do
the stuff, then they wait for them to
come out of it to make sure they're
okay, and then you can come pick them
up.
And I was like,
I'm glad she's a relatively healthy cat. Knock
on wood. It stays that way because
it ain't cheap to do that one. I
mean, it's not cheap to go to the
vet anyway,
but it's an extra,
probably, a $150
just to do it that way. Yeah. But
she also hasn't had a good checkup in
a couple of years. So
She's due. She's due. She's due for it.
She will, I promise you, not speak to
us for Oh, no. Three to five business
days after that appointment. She will be so
mad at us.
So mad at us.
Mm-mm. So
Yeah. You know? Mhmm.
I'm looking at Lola now. Yeah. Because Lola
is next up because something's up with her
back paw. Yeah. I was reading I was
reading a poster at the vet's office.
It was a medication advertisement, but it talked
about osteoarthritis.
Mhmm. And every
every symptom it listed, I was like, oh
oh, yeah. That's our girl, Lola. Well, that's
that's just like two. I, you know, looked
up the other day in the, hip dysplasia.
Yeah. You know?
And, At least we can take her ass
to the vet. Yeah.
I mean, the the thing was
she has always limped to some degree because
of the leg that had been shot. Mhmm.
You know? But now she's
This is her back leg. Yeah.
So
Yeah.
Yeah. This is the summer of
vet appointments Mhmm. Which I was look I
was looking at
the history because I was looking at Ella's
history. When we get the receipt from our
vet, they always show, like, the last appointments
they've had. And,
yeah, it tends to be a summer thing.
Mhmm. As long as by the end of
it, everybody is as as healthy as they
can Right. And doing well, then I'm Yes.
Yes. Yes. Then I'm good. Mhmm.
Yeah.
But, yeah, that's our life right now. And
if we
I got nothing.
Would we like to go back down the
riboholoprinsis
treatment? I could do that. That's on my
brain.
Talk about
my animals.
Yep. Can do that. That's on my brain.
Mhmm.
I'm gonna be a parent of a 20
year old Yeah. As of Sunday.
Yeah.
See, the way we do this, I have
done this with him.
I set it, like, back in the day
when I used to post on Facebook
literally nineteen years ago.
But I would post it, and then I
as he got older, I started saying it
to him. And I think last year, I
did say it to him. It's always it's
not just the celebration of this child's birth.
It is also the celebration that I managed
to keep him alive another year
because that that baby was the experiment. I
had y'all, I am such an only only
only child,
only grandchild. There were I had no cousins.
I didn't the first baby I ever held
was my own. The first diaper I ever
changed was that child's diaper.
I was
clueless.
I am not
I was
never one of those kids that played with
her dolls and tried to be, like, do
the mommy and this is my baby. That
nope. Nope.
Nope. That was never me. I was like,
I think maternal instinct is a myth because
nope.
So, yeah, those first few years,
it was a miracle. Like, he
he was relatively
healthy. We kept him safe. He's
as mentally
well as a human can be in the
year of our lord 2025.
Like, he's good. But, yeah, we we're not
just celebrating his
birth. We're celebrating the pure luck of keeping
that shot alive. I did I did have
to modify it when he went off to
college. I was like, I don't actually keep
you alive anymore. You keep you alive, but,
you know, I'm here for backup.
Right. So,
anyway,
20. Goddamn 20.
Mhmm.
You know, and I I know I'm not
alone in this.
I know my chronological age. I know how
most of the time. Sometimes I think I'm
older than I am, sometimes I'm living in
younger, but, like, I vaguely know I'm still
45.
But if you had to ask me how
I feel on a on a good day,
I would, like, in my brain, I'm still
25.
But 25 is when I have that child.
So to like, the concept of him being
20, like, my brain goes, that's not possible.
Having a hard time wrapping around this. Yeah.
What? Yeah.
No. On a bad day, I definitely don't
feel torn. Yeah. It's actually, like, not my
not not what I feel physically, but it's
like a mental age. Like, my brain was,
like, you're between 25 and 30, clearly.
I clearly am not, but
yeah. Yeah.
As y'all could tell, I could keep rambling.
Yeah. Of course. I should probably stop, though.
I mean, we couldn't yeah. We'll be back
again Friday night. We will be back again
Friday night. I hope y'all will be here
with us.
If you're like, I've never done a Friday
night. What is it like? It's like this.
Y'all, it's like this. Except there's a lot
more back and forth with the
live chat. Mhmm. A lot more back and
forth with the live chat. True. True. True.
So yeah. Excuse me.
I
oh, goodness.
Baby got a bobble. Pardon me? Do I
need to burp you? No. I still remember
how to
to do that. I learned the right technique.
I had to have a second child to
learn that technique and stop getting spit up
on me, but I did a bunch of
work.
Anyway,
I was always, why would anybody let me
have a child? I don't know what I'm
doing.
Kept him alive. He's fine. He's
mildly thriving.
Anyway,
I don't know. Well, I don't know if
I need an adult beverage Mhmm. For Friday
or if I need an
one of the special chocolates.
But I'm gonna need something to
force you back. Made the martini like I
said. You never did? No. No. You didn't
we should sell we'll celebrate a belated birthday
Yeah. For you. Mhmm. And if you don't
have enough of the ingredients to make me
a martini or or you want to, don't
you worry. Just put some vodka in whatever
I'm drinking, and I'm there with you. You're
with me. Having a good old time. There
you go. See? I wanna try the Tom
Hanks thing. I don't know how old that
video clip is. Did I send it to
you? I sent it to you. Where he's
a Diet Coke drinker. I knew I like
Tom Hanks for a reason. And he was
at some
something
and it was champagne and he had them
pour champagne in his Diet Coke or he
whatever whatever. He made his own cocktail with
champagne and Diet Coke. And apparently, that shit's
delicious. And I'm
like, I'll try that too. Well, that's right.
You sent me the, the real. Because it's
from the Steamboat there. So Mhmm. Mhmm.
So,
okay, we're gonna go. Okay.
If you're still here to this point, we
really appreciate you.
We always appreciate you hanging out with us.
Everybody. Yeah. Because I still I cannot fathom
that people are like, yeah. Yeah. I'll go
listen to that crazy lady on the Internet.
That'll keep me occupied for an hour and
a half.
Y'all are my people, so it works.
So, yeah, we'll be back Friday, and we'll
take a week off. Mhmm. Blah blah blah.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Bye. Good night.