You're listening to the Loving BDSM podcast episode
four forty six. Kayla Lords here with the
one, the only, the it's almost your birthday.
Shout browns down.
Nope. Birthday's been canceled this year. Nope. Nope.
Nope. I want cake. I want wherever you've
decided we're going out to eat. And while
I'm
also dreading it, I want my I want
your birthday spanks
because that's what we do. That's how we
do this. That's a lot.
Yeah. I mean, I want you to keep
getting older. Aging is privileged. You're not going
to grow without me. We're living to be
over 100. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But also,
you're about to be 64.
That's the day after this episode comes out.
True. And you always give me one to
grow on. Yep. So it's 65
smacks, and you always make the last one
the hardest.
Space. I do. So I am both
really looking forward to that and also
dreading it.
Don't you hate when that happens? I mean,
the older we keep getting, the less I
can sit down after a birthday span. Frank.
And then you get an extra one on
your end. I know. It's coming up, you
know, in the world. In the sixties. We
won't Not yet. Nope. Not yet. Still in
the forties. Still in the forties.
If this all sounds a little unhinged,
then I guess it works for this week's
episode.
We're gonna keep it chaotic and weird, by
answering
10, quote,
unhinged
relationship questions,
as posted on Instagram and probably TikTok, I'm
sure, by therapy Jeff.
He actually said in, like, the real, I
mean,
should you answer these? I don't know.
And and that's when I knew, Yes. That
that's what the questions are. Boy. This sounded
really good. Alright.
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unhinged
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And that's how you do a sales pitch.
I'm a professional.
Okay. I'm gonna get into,
these questions, the way it's gonna work. I'm
gonna read them. JB is gonna answer so
he actually gets some airtime, and then I'll
suck up all the oxygen in the room,
and then we'll repeat and do this for
for 10 whole times. Oh. Before you do
that Sure. Oh, please turn the fan on.
I was starting to, like, swelter in here.
And that's with it being evening
and overcast. It really, really wants to rain
outside, but it has not yet. And all
the curtains closed. Right. Still sweltering.
Yep.
So Therapy Jeff is a relationship
therapist,
counselor person. He's professional.
I I see him on Instagram. I know
he's on TikTok.
His reels are,
sometimes quite to the point
you know, somebody probably got their feelings hurt
based on the comments, but he's pretty no
nonsense, and I kinda like his delivery and
his vibe. So
if you like these questions,
you might like him.
Go check him out. The link to the
actual reel where these questions come from is
in the places as well.
Okay. Here we go.
First question.
Yeah. I know. This one blouse. Yeah. Okay.
If you learned that your partner had been
hired to date you as part of a
social experiment
where very hot people dated complete losers,
would you be able to forgive them?
Yeah.
I love the implication that we are individually
on each side of the question, the hot
person. Yeah.
You know, I honestly don't know. Mhmm.
I honestly don't know.
I I think
it would depend on a lot of variables.
Mhmm. I agree with that. I agree with
that. And,
What, like some name some variables. Name some
variables? Yes.
I I guess if they showed remorse.
Sure. Okay.
That would be that would be one thing.
Mhmm.
You know, and I think it if if
the feeling if there were feelings that were
genuine.
Sure.
Sure. You know? But,
yeah. That'd be wild. Would you be do
you think can you imagine what your initial
reaction might be? Probably shock.
Yeah.
I I definitely shock, betrayal,
so pissed off. But then I'm I agree
with you. It
it context dependent. If it's a month into
the relationship,
a year into the relationship,
I
I don't know that I could move on
from something like that. That's that's too soon.
That's not enough depth of trust for me.
At this point, ten years in, I'd be
like,
dude, they forgot the game was even being
played.
It's just you on on your lonesome eye.
At this point, a decade in, you clearly
want to be here. So there would have
to be some level of Grove
Ling. I accept cash payments and gifts.
There would have to be
remorse in order for me. We would have
to go to a therapist because I would
my trust issues being what they are,
that's a pretty deep
betrayal.
Mhmm. But
if I can then add the layers of,
like,
everything else that's gone on since and those
things still feel genuine,
I could probably get over it. But if
now I'm looking at everything that's gone on
for the entirety of our relationship through that
lens
That'd be tough. That would be tough. That
would be tough. That would be tough. So
yeah. Early days in a relationship, honey, you're
out on your fucking ass. Go. Go. Go.
Go. But
years later, in in a relatively
good relationship where you're Mhmm. You're happy to
be there and, you know, everybody seems to
wanna be there,
I mean, there'd be some work to do.
Yeah. But, you know. Yeah. I I think
the thing that gets me
the most out of it, you know, that
oh, so I'm a loser then. Right. You
know? That's the thing that's the implication. Like,
what's going on in my head?
I I I was the loser.
Right.
Okay. That's what you thought of me when
you like, that those are the kinds of
thoughts I think I would be having. I'd
be like, that's what you thought of me
at first. Mhmm. And I think,
you know, hypothetically,
once I could think clearly
and my sarcasm came back, I'd be like,
well, clearly, there's something wrong with you because
you stuck around all this time. But yeah.
Or a newish relationship that doesn't have, like,
any foundation? Yeah. Get the fuck out of
here. I'm done.
Go. Okay. Next question.
This one cracked me. This no. Not this
one. I'm thinking of another one. Sorry. Chaos.
Okay. Imagine a situation where someone offered you
money to go no contact
with your partner for one year.
What would be the minimum amount that could
make you seriously consider it?
I am terrified.
It better be more than 5 damn dollars.
I don't think
well, you know what? In all honesty, I
don't think I could do it. I could
not. I there is no.
Tell me a trillion. Oh, let's make that's
make believe money. Okay. No. It's Yeah. I
I don't I
Not no contact. Not no contact. Yeah. No.
No. No. No. There there there is not
enough.
Mm-mm.
Something,
something. And I couldn't do it for, like,
longer than that because,
you know, even if I tried to, like,
put our myself back into the long distance
relationship headspace Mhmm. We didn't do, like, so
hot mentally in as individuals when we went
more than, like, two months without seeing what
it is like or so. There's, like, a
a time limit. And now the layers of,
interdependency
we have on each other.
Nope. There's It's scary. The amount of money
does not exist. It does not exist.
Okay. This one this one is unhinged. No.
That's right. This one
is so unhinged. And I this one's so
unhinged.
If it was discovered that you and your
partner are actually long lost half siblings,
would you stay together and would you tell
anyone?
Fuck.
Visions of VC Andrews popping in my head.
Lord. I'm a little braggy. Try to reread
those books. Yeah. I know. But we're but
long lost. Long lost. Yeah. Yeah. We're not
raised together.
Long lost. Okay. So
I I I I,
damn. It's a it's a two parter. Would
we stay together? Siblings, half siblings. Right. Like
like, we don't share both parents. It's just,
like, share a mom, share a dad something.
I don't think I could.
Really? I don't think I could. Not not
with not like that. That that's just too
close for comfort for me.
I respect that. I think most people would
say that. Me?
My because I'm thinking of you. I'm not
thinking of a random partner. It's you. Oh,
no. We're together. We're not trying to procreate.
This is not about there's no inbreeding that's
about to happen. If we were not raised
together,
we've gone forty some odd and sixty some
odd years
apart, never as siblings, and we're not trying
to mix and match genetics.
I'm not going no fucking way.
Am I telling anybody? But that is not
the episode that would pop up in this
podcast.
I mean,
nope.
But, I mean,
everything's context dependent. You know? Are we
19 and, you know, graduated from the same
high school?
Like
yeah. That no. Thank you. At this point,
though, and not not knowing a damn thing
about each other and, again, let me see.
Not making babies
together.
Yeah. No. I with you knowing it's you,
you're not going just sit down. You'll be
okay. We won't tell anybody. We will pretend
we don't don't know.
It'll be fine.
Maybe maybe the libido will, like,
be dormant for a while while we get
our head on
right. But just sit down. Okay? We're not
we're not gonna tell anybody.
They don't need to know
what we do
in our own house
behind closed doors.
Us. Truly, uncle, daddy, two in one deal.
Oh my gosh. Love it. I love it.
Love it. Love it. Look. Look. Look.
It if the step
sibling,
smut trope can be a thing,
the we were raised completely apart
for literal decades,
did not know, don't have a the only
connection is genetic,
and we're not trying to make babies
with our genetic code,
I think the step sibling thing is more
taboo
based on all of that. But I'm still
not telling no damn body.
That is for fucking sure. I'm not telling
anybody. Nope.
Nope.
Okay. This one,
I I have a very clear answer on
this next one. Yeah.
Suppose you discovered that your previous relationship ended
because your current partner covertly
orchestrated its demise, ensuring you were single so
they could step into your life. Would you
find this romantic or a red flag? Red
flag. Romantic.
Really? You would have saved me from my
fucking ex husband. Thank you very much. Jeez.
No. When I answer these questions, I'm thinking
of you and the relationship that we have.
Had I found out five minutes into it,
that's a red flag.
Here I am looking back on my life,
and I'm like, oh, that needed to end.
Thank you for helping me.
It only works if I find out a
decade plus later.
Within the first year, it's like a betrayal.
It's a red flag. What the hell is
going on? Because
will that be happening to me in the
future? I mean, I do have a little
bit of that. It's not it's not universally
true, but it is more common than not
that what somebody will do with one partner,
like, when it comes to betraying trust, they
will likely do with somebody else. Could orchestrate
something like that, I wouldn't wanna be around
to see what else you could do if
you get pissed at me.
No. I'd be like, okay. Look. We're gonna
try a bank heist next because
I'm feeling a little broke.
Really? Have a very specific set of skills.
Like, you need to capitalize on this. Now
when it's you
and we're because especially
once you've been together at a there's a
certain amount of time,
assuming there are no, like, other red flags
in a relationship, assuming it's a genuinely on
both sides
happy relationship,
I'm just gonna be like, okay. You paved
the way you made this possible. Because here's
the thing, I can look back and see
how my life is better with you than
with anybody else I was with before. Same.
I mean, I can yeah. If that holds
true,
then thank you. Thank you for saving me
from myself.
I clearly should not be allowed to pick
my own partner, and you just keep doing
it for me.
I mean, that's that's just you know?
Okay. Excuse me. This one
this one
Yeah.
Is
it doesn't feel that unhinged to me. Mhmm.
Because I think
we in the kink world would call this
a Saturday night.
Imagine a situation
where someone offered you money
to watch your partner make passionate love with
their number one celebrity crush.
What would be the minimum amount that could
make you pull up a chair and watch
it go down?
Wouldn't need to pay me a dime. I
know. You would be paying us. You'd be
like, Henry Cavill? Come on down. Right. I
have a check for you. Pedro Pascal? You
know? Oh my both? Jesus.
God.
Oh my god. Yeah. Because they both have
a similar kind of inner oh my god.
Yeah. I would pay you. I would pay
them. I would pay you. Yeah. I I
wouldn't no. Yeah. Yeah. No. You wouldn't need
to pay me. Just go. Because you're a
voyeur though. Right? You are a voyeur.
Also, we don't have weird feelings about, oh,
you have a celebrity crush you'd like to
fuck. We talk about who we'd like to
fuck together and who would we destroy?
Who could not handle us?
Every time I see
a
clip or a reel or, like, rehashing
when Pager Pascal basically said he was submissive,
I'm just like,
oh my god. Okay. I I can't make
it work on my own, but that's why
we make a good team.
And
oh, yeah.
So here's
here's the thing. I am
I am both an exhibitionist
and, like, anti voyeur. Like, I am repulsed
by voyeurism I don't wanna watch.
Like, I can I can read it,
and I can kinda watch it in movies
and TV shows, kind of?
But to be in the room,
I'm gonna need I am gonna need some
money. Not because I'm freaked out. Not because
I'm like, oh, no. I don't wanna watch
the man I love. Fuck somebody else. No.
No. No. No. It's because I am so
deeply uncomfortable
watching things like that and being the voyeur.
I I get impatient.
I get antsy.
I figure if you give me an edible
and enough money to pay off, like, actual
debt, like, you could feel the difference the
next month when you don't have to pay
that bill.
That's enough. I'll watch you fuck anybody.
Create a line, everybody.
Roll up, pay me money, get the mortgage
paid off while we're at it. But I
might need an edible. I might need something
to, like,
relax me. I might need something
to to temper the whatever I got going.
I'm gonna,
yeah, I'm gonna need that. I'm gonna need
that. Yeah. But see, the thing is because
we both not universally, but we both have
several
of the same
celebrity crushes. Yeah. I really think we're just
gonna tag team, and we'll just tap in
when it's our turn to be the watcher
versus the day. Yeah.
Good lord. I can see that. I mean,
I just think we'd we'd ride Henry Cavill
just the two of us, he's a big
dude. Mhmm. You know? You're you're our short
king.
I,
I am not. But, you know, I think
I think he could take us. I just
bounce on that man like a trampoline. Right.
And then have Pedro in, like, the corner
waiting for, you know, whatever. But he'd probably,
like, smile a little big, and I'd be
like He
no. That's not his energy. He'd he'd be
like dancing and He'd probably be dancing. Yeah.
You know, try he'd be he'd be working
on corner, he'd be he'd get him in
a submissive headspace and he'd probably sit there
and do whatever the fuck you wanted him
to do. True. True. True. True. And if
I ever had to hear Pedro Pascal call
some sexy man daddy, I just think I
wouldn't just I'd be a puddle. I'd be
a fucking puddle.
Where where did I find my libido?
When Pedro Pascal starts saying daddy and saying,
that was it. That was it. Now I
will pay you for that.
Anyway
oh, but I'm gonna need an edible to
have sit there and watch. I'm gonna need
a comfy chair,
an edible Julie.
And at least 5 figure payment. Julie said
I better watch out that you may pimp
me out to to pay the mortgage.
I have pimped out. But she she she
already pimps me out. So I don't you
know? Not in the not in the,
you
know, money for, like,
sex with another human, but I I've put
many many bits and pieces of JB on
the Internet in exchange for money.
He was my stunt dick for about a
year,
some sex toy stuff.
Yeah. No. I've I've
I was trying to sell some of his
Dom services. Like, would you like JB to
tell you what to do?
Money.
I'll try to convince
him. Anyway
okay. Number six.
Okay. This is this is sort of a
deep one, I think.
Imagine you have the option to know every
secret, big or small, that your partner has
kept from you.
Would you wanna know? No. No. I don't
even know. I I I you know, it
it's just like
in in any relationship,
you know,
you have your little thing that you go
off and do. I have my little, you
know, things that I go off and do,
you know, and and we each have our
little separate
spaces. It's the same way with that. I
don't have to know every single little thing.
I know. You know? How long did it
take me to realize I didn't have to
tell you every single thought going through my
brain? It was several years. It was almost
a decade before I finally we did a
whole damn episode on it once I figured
it out.
No. You know, again, I'm thinking in context
of our relationship,
the trust is strong, the openness, and the
open communication
is there. We are both
happy. It's a healthy
relationship.
If, you know, if I don't know about
it, I don't need to know about it.
We each get to have our own
individual
like thoughts and experiences.
It makes the relationship stronger when you can
kinda come back together after being off doing
your own thing.
How long did it take me to finally,
like, get that that thought to sink into
my brain? Oh, about
about a week ago. Anyway.
But
if I'm in a relationship where I don't
have full trust of my partner yet or
some shit has gone down, in a in
a second, just tell me everything.
But that to me is a sign of
something. Is it a sign that there's
a problem
with the dynamic between the two of you
that you feel like important things are being
hidden from you? Mhmm. Is it
because you yourself are hiding things so you
assume that other people are? Like, what is
it in your life and your experiences either
within this relationship or prior to
that, you know, to me, that's the thing
to look at. The the answer,
you know,
determines
more than anything. You know, the answer
tells you more than just the answer. Like,
you and I have no interest in it
because at this point, we know that we're
not hiding anything,
you know,
bad. We're not actually hiding anything. It's just
privacy. It's just this is my thing. Right.
That's your
thing. I mean, that that's like, you know,
in in in some dynamics,
you know, Dom's wanna have
their all their subs passwords and codes and
things like that. And I have no desire.
Never have every you know.
You let me set most of the passwords
anywhere. I know. Yeah. It throws me off
when you make one up on your own.
And yet, you know what?
I agree with you because I'm I give
a little bit of side eye when a
Dom wants that level of
control and knowledge, but does not share it
and reciprocate. Right. But that that that's where
the difference lies because
from the very beginning, once we commingled our
lives,
I had access to yours, you had access
to mine.
I could I log in to your bank,
your account
with your login more than I log in
to my own
to the point that one day JB had
to call me and go, can you log
in to this? I'm like, you have it
on your phone. I know, but I cannot
get in.
It's not recognizing me. I'm like, oh, let
me just click a button.
Here we are.
But nine you know, me having all that
information is not a control thing. It's a
Mhmm. These are my tasks. When JB was
in charge, like, financially, he had all that
information
because he was doing the work, but I
always had access. I could
I know where to go find passwords. I
know what our main air quote main password
is with some variations. I've created a new
main password for us because they the requirements
keep getting longer.
And yeah. More special characters, and I had
to come up with a new one. Right.
But yeah. So Gonna need to add on
to the keyboards. I know.
Bring back Wingdings.
Oh,
damn.
Oh, I think it just I think it
just showed you eight. Yeah. Birthday boy.
Next thing you're gonna tell me, we're gonna
make something up in, Microsoft Paint. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. MS Paint. I think it's
what it's called back in the day.
Mhmm. So yeah. Like,
the important stuff gets shared when it needs
to get shared, and sometimes not as quickly
as I would like.
I tend to read you
quicker
and go something's off,
but it's it's
never been I don't want to tell you.
It's I can't tell you yet. I need
time. I'm processing. I'm thinking. Or, oh, you
noticed something that I didn't even notice. Let
me go away and think about what's what's
going on because I you weren't consciously think
about it. Yeah. Me, I'm in my head
too much. I know that I'm gonna be
upset about something before the thing happens, before
I see anybody's reactions. And I'm already preparing
in advance for the, I'm gonna feel. So
we're gonna talk about it in advance about
how I'm gonna feel, but, like, there's no
there's nothing for you to not know. But
so when there's something that I'm just not
talking about, it's just a personal private thing.
It's not a secret. Mhmm. You know? Does
that make sense? Yep. Okay. Yep.
Okay. This one. Hoo goodness.
Number seven.
If you could ask all of your partner's
exes what they didn't like about them and
what their major red flags are,
would you want to know that information? No.
Absolutely not.
I would not.
Because here's here's the thing.
The way you were
with somebody else Mhmm. Was because that person
was
different. They they're not like me. And that
was a different point in my life. Right.
Different everything. Right. So you know
most of what they would have to say
would be moot Mhmm. To begin with. Or
you'd be like, oh, I see where she
worked through that. I'm not Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. See, and here's go ahead. Sure. And
and see, you know, for for anything like
that, it's like
we have the communication. If I wanted to
know, I could ask you.
If I if I'm capable of looking back
and going, oh, yeah. That was a red
flag. For sure. For sure. Yeah. See, I'm
the opposite,
but not because I think I'm gonna
be told some crazy information I already know.
Oh, yeah. Go ahead and tell me because
knowing you the way that I do, one,
it will give me a peek at who
were you at that point in your life.
Two, it will tell me,
depending on what they say,
more about them,
probably more than, at this point, ten plus
years on, over a decade. Like, we've got
so much time in that, you know, I'm
either gonna hear something that I'm like, yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't have called that a
red flag, but sure sure. Or I'll be
like,
oh, I see where your head space is
at. I I've learned some things about you,
the the former partner.
But but that's because that's how I just
move through the world when people tell me
information.
I've, you know,
think I know who that person is based
on that.
It's and and and
I know who the hell I don't know
them know them, but I know who the
hell your exes were. So there's
one ex where it was amicable. I mean,
y'all went however many decades without even knowing
y'all were running in the same circles, but
then when you caught back up, it was
amicable.
And then another
that did not end amicably,
but over time, y'all could be in the
same room without
it being a problem.
If I'm sure everybody has their own red
flags. If my major, like, ex husband x
started listing out red flags, I'm I might
have to be oh, lord.
There goes my
I might have to be held back because
and the mature part of me is, like,
it
it takes two for a relationship to to
fall apart, blah blah
blah, barring something dangerous. Right. Right. It takes
two for a relationship to fall apart. But
if that motherfucker wanted to start listing my,
problems and how I was a problem,
I would need to be held back from
him because I would become violent.
And I would show you a red flag,
motherfucker. But that's because I've got, like, some
stuff I need to work through.
With that,
I thought I put my phone on airplane.
Mhmm.
So, yeah, I would I would be interested
more as, like, a psychological,
what was JB like back then? You know?
Or Don't go too far back.
And or how
did they view this situation?
Because you have shared things with me from
those previous relationships. So then I would, like,
oh my god. That's a nosy person's, like
or at least my nosy self's, like, fucking
wet dream. Like, oh, oh, let me get
everybody's perspective, and then I can decide what
I think think the actual truth is in
the middle. That is gonna be so much
advice. And see that's that's why I I
would prefer not to know
because, you know, it's
I was told this many years ago and
I believe it.
There there is three sides to every story.
Yes. I agree.
One side, their side And the truth. And
somewhere in the middle is the truth. Yes.
I agree. I agree. Yep.
Yeah. But that's all that's why I wanna
know the other side because then I can
do all in my head all the analysis.
I don't wanna go through all that. All
the analysis
and oh, I know why JB was like
that because here's where he was at this
point in the time. Oh, I know why
she was like that because she's a bit
no. No. I wouldn't do that.
Okay. Number
eight. If a genie
offered you three wishes, but there was a
10% chance your partner would disappear from your
life forever,
would you accept those wishes? Wouldn't take the
risk.
That was my initial thought too, but then
I had a secondary thought, like
a comma button. Okay.
Could I use one of my three wishes
to bring your ass back?
Oh.
Or to make sure you didn't go anywhere.
Because yes, the first time I read it,
I went no. No. Not 10% is too
high. Too fucking high. Point 01%
is too fucking high.
But what if I could wish your ass
back?
And then I'd still have two wishes.
And by the end of it, I would
have no fucking mortgage.
This is all about the mortgage tonight.
Because I gotta pay it. Okay?
No. But yeah. Like, that's
Yeah. Because I I'm right there with you,
Maya. That that's an interesting way it's in
here. I'm yeah. And because initially, he's saying
that, you know,
10% It's not. You know, there there there
would have been some in the past. Yeah.
Let's play that. Let's spin that wheel.
Let's spin that wheel. The the biological father
of the children. Oh, yeah.
And then I would be reminded that I've
I I never get to win those guys.
Because I don't have gambling and me and
luck and me. No. No. No. No. So
I go into a casino. I just tip
tip really well because if I put the
money in the slot machine, I it's never
coming back to me. I'll take that $10
and give somebody a tip. It'll be mine.
But yeah. No. With you, 10%
no. That's that's oh my god. Like, when
I like when I think about it, like,
my stomach drops. One, because I don't think
I have any, like, air quote, luck. Right?
Mhmm. Like, of course, that would be the
universe going,
you were finding out now that you fucked
around.
But
Yeah. If I can wish you back,
you still have two wishes?
Okay.
But I would need to see the fine
print of the agreement with Genie before
let me read the contract because there's always
loopholes. That's a whole thing with the genie
thing. You got a lot of loopholes. Oh,
yeah. You know, they're you're you're gonna ask
for what you want, but you're never gonna
ask for it in a way that there's
not some fuckery
going on.
Like, I could wish for my mortgage to
be paid off and come to find out
somebody has purchased it and now we don't
have a house. Right? You know what I
mean? Like, there's always those twists. Mhmm. So,
yeah. I'd have to read the fine print.
I like that one. Okay.
Okay.
Number nine.
If you had the ability to get rid
of one of your partner's flaws or imperfections,
which one would it be and why?
Go ahead. I could if I'm gonna cry,
I'll do it off camera. Don't you worry.
You know,
I I I drop things a lot, folks.
I, you know, I my things slip through
my fingers.
And,
so
every time I drop something, I get
are you alright? Are you okay?
Is everything alright?
Yeah. Let's let's do away with that.
Can can I tell you
I mean, there's the obvious I'm an anxious
human being. Like, we know that.
Put that to the side.
The the couple of times
there have been big crash like sounds emanating
from your presence and you were actively harming
yourself. And the response I got was, well,
I'm glad it went more serious because you
didn't even come and look check check on
me.
Means, honey, the moment we hear anything, I'm
like a mere
cat.
Are you okay? When it sounds real serious,
I'll actually get up and go in the
other room real quick.
But I think you did that one to
yourself.
I mean, other than the fact that I'm
an anxious person. Yeah.
Okay. So
I wish mine was fun. I'm just gonna
show off my job in drama some more.
So flaws are in the eye of the
beholder. Right? Some one person's flaws, another person's
who the fuck cares. Like, I get that.
If I could, like,
wave my magic wand I know.
It would be
the so when you are
agitated, anxious,
slightly annoyed,
surprised even, but not in a pleasant way,
and you or you're passionate about something, but
it's a thing that makes you angry. I
get loud.
Yes. And and me and the the fifteen
year old both call it aggressive. There's a
you feel like you're being yelled at, and
I know part of it's the you know,
that's how I was raised in Italian. Let's
tell me I'll talk to another. Yes. It
sounds like you're all yelling at one another.
I was raised by Italians
on one side and German
on the other. You only know how to
speak very firmly and very loudly to one
another.
I
was traumatized by a parent who was raised
by Italians, but he was actually mean. He
that one just how he talked. He's
mean.
And
so take out the silliness of it. Yeah.
Yeah. That's actually my problem to work on.
But man, if I could just snap my
fingers and that went away.
Like, I don't want you to be fake
sweet, fake nice. I don't want that either.
I just
just wish that even when like, the only
time it came out, like, air quote aggressive,
it was when
when it warranted, like, when there's a serious
thing or, like, you're super, super mad. But
sometimes you think you're just talking to us
and me and the youngest are like,
what did we do wrong?
What is going on?
Are you mad at us? I would change
that if I could. Man, you you you
know,
when I was a kid
and I finally got old enough to sit
at the big table Were you terrified?
No. Mhmm. I was happy to be there.
I wanted to be there. Oh, okay. Okay?
But the only way you would get heard
Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay?
You had to speak up. You had to,
you know Yeah. You know, you're just in
there.
No. It ain't gonna cut it in in
in that family. Here's what's interesting to me.
I feel like I'm seeing some family dynamics
come out here. I'm a person who can
absolutely
project her voice
to the point I'm often told you're talking
real loud, and I don't think
I am, but whatever whatever. You and I
think
knowing a little bit about your family dynamics
when you were younger,
you don't just project,
you put, like, some spice behind it. Like,
you're like, it's like, let me show you
how serious I am by, like,
you know?
Whereas I just learned how to just project
the fucking voice.
Now in my situation,
our air quote big family gathering
might have 11 people total. And I was
always the only child, so there was no
kids table for me. I was right in
the thick of things. Yeah.
But yeah. My my mom and my grandmother
formed a club
called the dozen cousins. Oh my god. That's
too many fucking cousins. There was a lot
more. I don't have any cousins. That's too
many. There there by by the end, there
was a lot more than a dozen cousins.
Oh, sure.
Sure. Yeah.
No. No. Yeah. No. I don't have any
close cousins at all.
Was the only kid, the only grandkid, the
only,
niece slash nephew because nobody had boys either.
I was I was it.
So one,
when somebody raised their voice and they were
firm or slash aggressive,
it was it was because they were pissed
off of me. Like, that's my only experience.
But yeah. Yeah. No. No. You if if
you don't speak up, you you just you
got left behind. I think part of it
is you've your face gets real serious when
you get that tone. Even if you don't
think like, it's a it's an entire vibe.
And Okay.
I could possibly be gaslit into thinking, oh,
no. That's normal. It's all me. But the
kid who has
not the same kind of childhood trauma that
I do, They've got their own, but it's
thankfully Mhmm. Not anything we did to them.
They clock it too. It's I know. I
I know both you do. And when you
call me out on it, I'm kinda like
Well, you poor thing. I What are you
talking about? Oh, gosh. I was just having
a
conversation aggressively
with a frown on my face.
Apparently, this livestream is therapy for at least
one of us.
Okay. Okay. Very curious. This is the last
question. I'm very I'm very curious about your
answer. I think I know my answer. I'm
very curious.
You have a one time use time machine
and you have to use it to alter
something in your relationship.
What are you going to alter?
I think the only thing I would alter
is,
if we had met earlier.
Yeah. If we had met sooner.
Oh.
Oh my god. That's
I did not think of something sweet like
that.
Well, you're the Scorpio bitch from hell. I
expect that. And you're a Cancer with all
those fucking feelings, but that was actually very
surreal.
Here's the thing I would alter. One time
use. Okay. I'm going back to either 2017
or 2018,
cause y'all know how I am with time.
I'd have to go look at a calendar.
And I'm gonna go back to us and
I'm gonna sit us down. I'm gonna hold
our hands and I'm gonna go,
you need to start saving money and stop
spending money. And you need a six month
minimum
emergency
fund to pay your bills. Also,
also,
don't do 3% down when you buy your
house. Do 20% down and get
just you have the money if you just
have the
Yeah.
Yeah. Because here's what's coming in 2020.
Right?
Yeah. Really.
And so
yes.
Yes. I think you're like, uh-huh. Sure. But
also, here's where I piss me off, and
here's why I annoy even me.
Okay.
I would not have wished the several crazy
years we had were,
you know, there were car accidents and motorcycle
accidents and no money and, like, all the
stuff. Mhmm. I'm not wishing it on me.
I'm not wishing it on anybody. But I
also know
that our relationship
went through fire together. Yes. And we are
now coming out on the other side way
stronger. I mean, I would have told you
five years ago, we were solid,
you know.
We were Well, you know that. Everything was
unlocked. That's how they harden steel by fire.
Right. And so Here we are. If I
could alter it, I'd tell us because here's
the thing. Here's what I know to be
true. If a future me showed up and
started telling me what I needed to do,
I'd have two reactions probably simultaneously.
Who the fuck are you to tell me
what I gotta do? And also I'd be
like,
is this person for real?
To so how do I look like? What
year are you coming from? Like, I'd have
I don't even know if I would, like,
trust it, but I sure as shit would
try if I could.
And yet knowing what I know now,
I you know, I think what life would
do, and I'm sure this is maybe how
it might happen cosmically if you think of
a cosmic whatever whatever,
cosmic force, like, making things happen.
If we didn't have to
get forged
in that fire, we'd have another fucking fire
to go through. Yeah. It's
weird.
But but yeah. Nuts. You go back and
make us meet earlier. I'll go back and
tell us to slow the fuck down. Right.
Stop. We did that very common thing of,
oh, the more money you make, the more
money you spend. And Yeah. What I know
now? No. No. I'm way too paranoid for
that.
Yep. I would like to live well beneath
my means. Yeah. Thank you.
Yep.
Ta da. Those were our 10 questions. Cool.
I'm not
maybe it's because we're old and boring, and
we've just we don't have, like, a relationship
that anybody's gonna give a side eye to.
I mean, other than the kink thing. But,
you know, in this space with all of
us together, nobody's given a side eye. Those
don't feel unhinged
so much as, like,
random.
But if we had sat down and done
with these, like, six months in before, like,
I was, like,
in it in it when it was still
kinda new and shiny, I might have been
sent for I might have started running for
the Hills. I might have been, like, a
little
a little worried about things.
But also, if I try to go back
to to then,
what would you have said my flaw was
then? It would probably been like, could you
just believe me when I tell you something?
Could you just believe that I'm actually into
you and I want to be here? That
would be great. Thanks.
Anyway,
ta da. Ta da. Those are the questions.
If,
if you want the questions,
I've linked to Therapy Jeff's Instagram reel where
he actually put the questions in the caption.
I was very grateful for that because I
copied and pasted into my script. For podcast
listeners, the show notes on Friday will have
the questions as well. So if anybody wants
to, like for yourself as an individual or,
like, as a little relationship exercise
Yeah. Feel free. Mhmm. Feel free. Yeah.
But, yeah, that's it. And we'll go into
a bonus section. So, are we good? I
don't know.
Keep it kinky, y'all. And we'll see you
next week.
Daddy.
Yes, baby girl. Can we talk to the
crickets? Sure.
Okay.
Jamie's birthday is on Saturday. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Nope. He's stuck.
You have some interference.
Stop. Somebody is very annoyed with you right
now.
Don't worry. Probably, like, half a second, I'll
accidentally bump accidentally bump the microphone and somebody
will be annoyed with me. See? It's fine.
It's fine. It's
fine.
So other than
Jamie's birthday is on Saturday.
What have you got for the bonus section?
Look. Look. Man, I have to wait till
my birthday to keep that shit up.
Look.
Look. Even
in our driest
dry spells,
when nobody was like, we were like, yeah.
We love one another. Yeah. Dom sub. Sure.
Sure. But nobody was thinking of anything else.
There were still two birthday spagings a year.
Thank you very much. That's true. That's true.
That's true.
So what's going on?
Been playing in the shop.
You have been? Yep.
Got the, got the new lade set up.
Mhmm.
But I'm waiting for the
adapters to show up so I can actually
fully use it.
And, you know, did we have the conversation
upon ordering, do we need to buy the
adapters? And somebody went, oh, no. We're fine.
We're fine. Somebody needed the adapters. The and
and I I will admit that was totally
on me. Sure.
All my all my chucks that I have
used
on the lades
are NOVA chucks.
And in order to make NOVA chucks work
on
Non NOVA things. Non NOVA things, you need
adapters.
So my initial thought was, oh, I'm getting
a Nova Nova Lathe. So the Novakooks
that I have should be compatible with them.
Right? Which would make sense. I agree. I
agree. No. They were not. No. Now here's
what's hilarious. Somebody was very excited for Monday
to roll around before they realized they needed
these adjusters,
blah blah blah things, because they wanted to
turn. And I have a long list of
things we're sold out of at theconcrete,thebigger.com.
Keep writing them in bigger and bigger letters
on the board, you know. And of them
and I've gotta actually move one thing up
to the list because it's now officially sold
out too. Oh, dear. Of the things that
are sold out, there's
five things on the list
that are completely out of stock. Mhmm. Four
of them require the lathe.
Yes.
Four of them.
Yep. So Yep. Yep. Yep.
Yeah. And then here's
what's ironic. I don't know. I don't know.
Mhmm.
Order the big, big expensive tool. It's coming
from Clearwater, which is, the area we used
to live. It arrives
the next day? The next day. The next
day. Yeah. We didn't, like, pay for special
the next day. It arrived the next day.
Because and we're, like, okay. It's close. Great.
We ordered early in the day, and, like,
it worked out.
These little adapters, they're coming from the same
location.
Will they be here by the end of
the week?
Hopefully. Are they coming through the see, the
big tools came through UPS. UPS. Right. Are
these coming through the post office? Post office.
Yeah. Oh my god. That's why I said
that's why Mhmm.
Our all our mail, regardless of where it
comes from, goes through Jacksonville.
And, But sometimes it goes other places, but
Jacksonville is the main one. Yeah?
Jacksonville is technically where it goes before it
comes here Mhmm. To to this town.
Sometimes
Jacksonville is a black hole.
Oh, yeah.
It's a it's a it's in transit. Yeah.
Air quote that. We we we've had stuff
go from Jacksonville recently to Puerto Rico. Then
came back up to
Orlando, then went to Gainesville, then came to
us. Yeah.
Yeah.
And then there was something else that that
traveled along all the the Mid Midwest states,
I think. Wasn't there something There's one thing
that just finally arrived
two weeks after I ordered it because it
was shipped out of North Dakota Mhmm. Went
to one North Dakota
processing center,
left there. I could see that in tracking,
and then just went on a journey
until it finally arrived in Jacksonville
two weeks later. Yeah. And all the tracking
shows you is it's in transit, which,
the little bit I know about
US post office, which is damn little, is
that when things
get backed up, whether it's weather or it's
really busy or,
you know,
the governmental
things are not functioning properly because this is
the hellscape we live in,
they will not scan things
at every destination to just kinda move it
through,
and they will also reroute things from, like,
where it would normally go because that place
is too busy to somewhere else. My favorite
is when they don't scan and they reroute,
that's how you get a package down in
Puerto Rico even though it came from, like,
not not down that far. Nope.
So Yeah. So, yeah. What what what has
happened thus far, because I I've been kind
of peeking at, you know, watching the
tracking.
Two days ago, it made it to Jacksonville,
and it got scanned in.
Mhmm. Hasn't been seen since anywhere.
Look. That's okay. I'm helping a person through
the kinkery, thekinkery.com,
who lives in Australia.
Ordered something
two and a half, two ish, almost three
week close to three weeks ago.
I I either it was either picked up
by our postal our mail carrier or it
was one of the ones I dropped off.
There was, like, a two day period where
I was doing both because we had so
much kinda going out. I try not to,
like,
be mean to our mail carrier
and give them, like, too many packages. But
I know that it left this property, and
it is in the possession
of the USPS.
The tracking says,
label has been created
awaiting
pickup by the post office, and this poor
person has is emailing going, do you know
when a package
will leave, will arrive?
I'm like, I don't even know if it
exists anymore.
Have a plan. I'm gonna work with that
person and help them out. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Thanks. Yep.
Post office. And see, the thing is is
I know it's not the post office. It's
not I mean, every
every place that has employees employees are people
and some weird shit happens.
The weather issues. Oh my god. The weather
stuff.
The tragedies
from the weather stuff is what's awful.
But that slows everything down. Then
if our local post offices are,
like, indicative of anything, they're all they're short
staffed somewhere
because
they're, I mean,
seem to be constantly hiring. Yeah. Are they
on a hiring freeze? Don't know. I don't
know anything about that part.
So, like, I wanna I wanna support my
post office,
but I would like packages to arrive.
Mhmm. Mhmm. So, you know, as I don't
know, what is this? Is it's
the good good. Yeah.
Yep. It's it's it's a good good machine
and I'm I'm looking forward to really putting
it to,
I'm looking forward to products being restocked. I
know. Because you could fully use the machine.
But, you know, this this has given me
time to play with some other things.
True true. True true.
And I'm I am,
not even really focused on that right now,
because I am in the process of, not
rebuilding, but building our
process of
not rebuilding, but building our site somewhere else
other than where it currently lives. And if
I can make that happen and it can
work properly and it not be expensive to
run, then I we will be
switching things up for the kinkery, the kinkery.com.
So it's my current, and I'm I am
using this the way it is actually meant
to be. It is my current Hyperfocus
because
I have ignored all kinds of other things
I need to do so that I could
play with that system.
And then when I finally can, like, sit
down and really work on it, like I
could today,
I lost all track of time.
I am really tired of having to be
a responsible adult slash parent because I was
bitching at dinner tonight and was like, I
don't even get to enjoy my focus because
there's
no point in any day, and I'm sure
this is just a responsible adult thing, but
it is definitely a parenting thing too.
There is no
world in which I get
literal hours
where
I can just
lose myself. Self. And I'm not wired to
be a person who
can somehow tune out
all of the other things.
I'm not a person that if I'm focused,
if you start talking to me, it'll take
me a few minutes to realize you are
there. But once I've come up,
you know, it's my turn to cook dinner.
Let me go do that. It's this. A
kid needs that. This is what's going on.
But but because there's just so much.
And I have spent
my whole adult life going, I I just
want I just want one whole day. I
just want one whole day or whatever it
is I'm working on.
But you know what I do when I
even get half a day?
I scroll on Instagram or I read my
book and I procrastinate. It's very annoying.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
So Yeah. Anyway
So with that, you know, I've been I've
been playing with knives. You have been? Mhmm.
I need more knives.
Plus, you're like playing with new things. I've
been I've been playing with real knives. Oh,
well, I need more of the kind that
we sell. I know. We're running out of
those too.
It's such a it's it's such a good
problem to have. I don't like to complain
about it. Yeah.
But I also hate seeing that stressed out
expression you get
when you start thinking about all the I
have this long list of I need this,
and I need this, and I need this.
And he's like,
you stop his breathing
properly.
Excuse me. Yeah.
I do. I don't like to stress you
out like that. I'll find I'll find fun
ways to stress you out. Ways that crack
me up. Okay?
That's fine.
It's not real stress. You'll get you'll get
your outlet the way I like to do
it. But when it's real stress, it's just
not fun. No. No.
No. No.
So
Lola's good. Mhmm.
We stressed Ella the hell out. Oh. Oh,
I will I will complain about this.
I got to learn the depths and breadth
of JB's disdain for Ella the cat.
She takes okay. We have been trying to
transition these cats to a different litter for
literally
three
months. We've been doing a slow, like, mix
in, mix in, mix in. We've got three
litter boxes. Two are fully switched over. We
had one that
we had one that was fully switched over,
one that was, like, mostly the new stuff,
very little of the old stuff. And then
we had one that was, like, an an
even split between the two. And I was
like, these litter boxes are all getting used,
so I think it's safe
if we just let's go ahead and swap
these others out and make it fully the
new. We're doing the pine pellet thing because
it smells better.
Ella stressed out so much. Even though she
has put her paws on this shit for
three months now,
she started peeing on everything and everywhere except
the litter box. Yep. And JB took it
personally.
I did I did have to go. She
is not doing this to piss you off.
She is stressed out. We washed
all kinds manners of blankets.
We had to wash our curtains. I didn't
Yeah. I didn't know it,
a
a cat that doesn't spray like the, I
guess, the boy cats do. I didn't know
a girl cat could pee standing up like
that,
but, apparently, she can't. She went in and
pissed in roll Lola's crate. She did. Poor
Lola did not wanna go in there, but
she could not tell us why. Lola did
not like that.
So
we, who love one another very, very much,
ended up
not sounding like we loved one another.
And
we have got one.
JB is the the king of mind fucks
because at first, you're like, okay. Let's get
some stuff to spray to deter,
like, where she's been pinging so she doesn't
go back, which she was not going back
to the same
spot more than once, except for the fucking
curtain, but that I don't know.
And then I don't think either of us
trusted that was enough. And then JB had
a brilliant idea. He goes, look.
Keep the new
stuff at the bottom. Just sprinkle the old
stuff on top. I was like, oh, like
like powdered sugar on top of a cake
or something.
Okay. It worked. Yeah. It worked now. She
is now pickier about her. Look. I have
to go in more often
to sprinkle more on top of it, and
she's not a dumbass because guess what?
By the end of this week, that box
will be 50 fucking 50 again, and we're
back to buying two goddamn Yeah. Litters. Yeah.
But, yeah, she was so stressed out. I
felt bad for her. I was like, we
were not we thought we thought three months
was enough time.
Mhmm. It was not enough time. No. I
don't think there is enough time for her.
No. No. I mean, it was you know,
she she peed on your shoes. She peed
on your shoes. Peed on my shoes. And
see, here's the thing. And I don't know
if I don't know if it's because I
really was calm about it or if I
was trying
to show JB how you could get through
this without losing your shit,
he would come storming into her room and
go, she pissed on this now. And I'd
go,
okay. And if it was a thing that
I would just clean, I would just go
clean it. But, like, the curtains he had
to help take down. He found out about
Lola's bed before I even got out of
bed. Had to strip all that down. He
started those. But, like, the shoes,
he put my foot in my shoe and
went up. Oh, god. Yeah. Pulled my foot
out, hobbled to where the Clorox went. And
I'm not, like,
I'm I'm not having a it was like
gentle parenting. I was emotionally regulating myself
in hopes that that would help JB regulate
his emotions about it. And I was like,
if I stay calm, hopefully, he'll stay calm.
It'll be fine. We're just gonna be no
nonsense. We you know?
We
we did not last forty eight hours. No.
No.
I mean, I wouldn't I don't want Ella
to run around being stressed. I also don't
want me to clean up pee all day.
No. No. No. No. But
Yeah. Yeah.
JB was,
a little
We we we had gotten to the point
within that forty eight hours that
our bedroom door was closed. Mhmm. Both boys'
bedroom's doors And their bathroom doors. Were closed,
and the bathroom door,
and the door to the office. Yeah. We
were just boxing her into the dining room,
kitchen, and living room. And she was still
finding shit to pee on. I mean, I
think here's what I think. I think Jamie
started taking it personal because Ella has zero
fucks to give. She's always had zero fucks
to give. And she was looking him in
the eye
while peeing on what and he would come
in and go. She stared at me I
while she did. Peed on my shoes. I
I walked in the bedroom. She was in
the bathroom. She saw me. She squatted down
on that damn
mat in the bathroom and just looked at
me and just let it rip. And and
he took that personally.
I was like, you know, she's a cat,
and Onyx doesn't let her hold the brain
cell. Okay? She's probably
just gonna piss you off.
I promise you. This is not personal. Well,
that's true. Onyx does not share the brain
cell with her.
Look. I'm not sure. I think Onyx sets
it down and walks away and forgets where
she left the brain cell too sometimes. Yeah.
Because oh, sometimes.
So, yeah, Ella was a hot mess and
in turn made me a hot mess. And
Oh my god. I was like, yeah. I'll
just see, I do the litter all the
litter box stuff. And when I start, like,
getting in my feelings about it where I'm
like, oh, I have to do litter box
stuff. Then I do have to remind myself
that JB feeds them
without twice a day every day, and I
only rarely come in and go, oh. Right?
So I'm like, okay. It's
I have to deal with the smell of
cat pee and cat poo and clean
you know, we've it's a fair distribution.
But by the end of that week, and
I was like, I will put up with
two fucking litters if it'll calm this fucking
man down because I need him to take
a breath. He is stressing me. I was
like, I understood this was gonna be a
bit of a transition period, and then I
got worried that we should we were stressing
around in a, like, a harmful way.
But I just couldn't live with JB freaking
out. I was like, nope. Nope. We'll just
nope. It'd be fine. It'd be fine. It's
fine. It's fine.
This is fine. Well, we we came up
with a solution. We executed, said it. And
we are basically back to where we were
before we started.
And and she's
happy as a freaking clam. She's actually
she makes a lot more noise when she
feels like her one litter box that she
has claimed is Yeah. Is not is not
proper. Mhmm. Mhmm. And that's when then she,
like, pees on the outside of it or
she gets shifty around the house.
Yeah.
But
I don't know.
So anyway
That's it. That's us. That's that. That's us.
That's the chaos that rules around here. Yep.
And now I'm hoping
that
my oldest child who's, oh, god, about to
be 20, Jesus. Cool. Yeah. Was calling just
to shoot the shit. And then when I
turn my take my phone off airplane,
that everything's fine and there are no crises.
Yeah.
But I'm I'm that was? Yeah. I'm an
anxious human being who is also a parent.
Yeah. So I can conjure up all kinds
of,
scary scenarios.
He's been going through it lately.
Yeah.
We got him to come home for fourth
of July.
Yeah. Just for one night just to, like,
get away from
he was stuck in his head because of
stuff going on there, and I was like,
why don't you come home? Let me feed
you, like, just Some heart some heartbreak happened.
I was like, look.
We are who we are. We're not putting
on a show for you. We're not gonna
be extra fun, but at least you're not,
like, by yourself. And if you wander into
a room, you have somebody there to talk
to. Mhmm. And you you got access to
the car if you come home and gotta
come home.
So
Yeah.
So,
alright. Are we, are we good? As
good as we'll ever be. Who knows. Right?
Who knows?
So I guess we're gonna go. Alright. Thanks
for being here Yeah. Especially to the bitter
end. Mhmm.
And we'll be back next week. Enjoyed y'all
hanging out with us. Thank you. Jamie's birthday's
on Saturday.
Okay. Bye.