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You're listening to the Love and BDSM podcast.

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Kayla Lortz here with the one, the only,

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the light of my life, the love of

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my life,

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the domed my sub,

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the meanie to my baby girl.

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John Brownstone.

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Okay. I didn't know where that was going.

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I just, it went it took me on

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a journey too. So Okay.

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I wasn't the only one then that okay.

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No. All of us, including anybody who can

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hear the sound of our voice. Yeah. We

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were all lost together. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody knew

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where it would end. No. Mm-mm. Not at

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all. Not even a little bit.

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That's not what we're here to talk about.

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Today,

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we are answering a question from a kinkster

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who's like,

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I have a legit not good kink community,

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and

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doing something about it has been difficult.

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So hopefully we can help them. Yep. Welcome

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to the Loving BDSM podcast. If you're new

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here, we help kinksters like you have happy,

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healthy power exchange relationships. Add the podcast to

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answer one of your questions in a future

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one of these, you can use the contact

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page on our website, that literally is titled

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Ask Your Questions. Our website's lovingbdsm.net,

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or the link is in the show notes.

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Okay. This person puts their question at the

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top.

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Alright. What do I do when I have

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an objectively

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bad local BDSM community?

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I'm still a newbie, AKA I have not

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been in a DS dynamic or engaged in

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my kinks other than in the form of

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online sex work like OnlyFans.

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Everyone suggests new people go to local community

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events such as munches, educational events, join groups,

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etcetera.

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But my area is just not good to

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put it lightly. I am 6 hours away

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from a big metro city and other events

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outside my city are still a couple hours

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away at minimum. My local community only has

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2 groups and one small swingers group. The

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2 main BDSM groups are extremely problematic and

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have too many red flags for me to

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feel comfortable to ever engage with these groups.

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Every single month, social event, educational event, etcetera,

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is tied to either one of these groups.

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How am I supposed to meet people now?

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A lot of others have suggested making my

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own group, which I have,

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the Next Generation or TNG Bunches.

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But I've had 4 events so far, 2

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of which no one showed up and the

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other 2 where it was just one other

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person and me, which is fine. I completely

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understand that starting something from scratch will take

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time to grow, but the experience of starting

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something is still wildly different from joining something

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that's already established.

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Also, I'm not sure I'm the best person

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to be hosting such events since I am

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still new. I've done hours upon hours of

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research on BDSM in general and hosting social

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events and gotten advice from people as to

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whether I, as a newbie, should be hosting

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munches. It's about 5050.

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Some people say it's completely unsafe for a

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new person with no experience

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to host BDSM events, while others say that

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it doesn't matter as much since I only

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plan to ever host social events at bars,

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coffee shops, arcades,

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etcetera.

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there. There's a lot there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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as being a newbie and hosting munches,

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I I don't see any concerns

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with that. Not with social events. Not not

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with social events. If you if you were

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hosting parties,

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then I would say, you know, there there

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might be a little something to to think

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about there. But as far as hosting a

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munch, no. I I I don't see any

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problem with that whatsoever.

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moderator,

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or old timer.

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a sense you're on the right track, you

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your own

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for it for it to get going.

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One other person, well, you know, it's one

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other person that that's that's more than none.

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a start. What was that that

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movie years ago, If You Build It, They

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Will Come? Yes.

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it will probably take time, but, don't don't

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give up. The other thing I'm gonna suggest,

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been a big advocate for for community.

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with what you're you're looking at, try and

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find some things online, some virtual events. Mhmm.

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You know, we host a virtual munch

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Mhmm. Once a month. Mhmm.

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that,

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since COVID still are doing

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coffee times. Mhmm. Workshops. Workshops, different things like

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that, online gatherings. You know,

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I don't know if you're a part of

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FetLife.

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FetLife, for all its misgivings,

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is a fantastic place to to look for

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groups and and for things happening. And if

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you're not already doing it, to promote your

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events and create your own online group for

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your local area. Mhmm.

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Mhmm. So, you know, look look for different

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online spaces that are are engaging in things

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that you want, you know, whether whether it's

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a a virtual workshop or something like that.

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numerous groups pretty much for every interest there

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You know, on on PhET. So, you know,

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go go in there and and search out,

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you know, your your interest and and find

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other groups of of like minded people.

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I I know it's not the same as

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in person sometimes,

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for the time being,

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you know, it it's a step. Mhmm. Okay?

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Mhmm. So what are your I agree completely.

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I think it's a twofold. If you want

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to create your own local in person group,

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if that is something you want to continue

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to pursue,

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you do it side by side because

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for two reasons. 1, that gives you, you

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know, being part of an online community gives

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you some people to interact with while your,

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local

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group is growing, but also it allows you

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to meet and get to know and come

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in contact with people who may be able

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to help you grow

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your munch,

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over the long term. You know, when you

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become engaged,

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in online activities where there are

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I don't wanna say prominent because, it's kind

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of a that that doesn't feel right. But

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people who

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you think others could learn from, that you

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get to know as as a person. Like,

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you're not there to just, like, seek out

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what they can do for you, but you

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might get to know people in groups who

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would be willing to speak to your group,

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and that can be a draw.

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might get to know people,

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who are willing to

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partner with you on something virtual, and then

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you can

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invite your group and that you you spread

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things out. So, you know, there's a lot

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of good that

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being in online community spaces can do, not

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just for meeting people for yourself, creating your

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own like, having your own space to just

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be a kinkster online and and talk to

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people and make friends and whatever.

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It can also help you if you want

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to pursue

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your TNG munch, which I think is a

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good thing. One thing,

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to consider,

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if you are seeing red flags in a

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community, I promise you you are not the

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only one in that community.

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Part of the problem is is that people

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will go to a munch and go, whoo.

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This this ain't my vibe. And then they

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kinda drift away and it's sort of hard

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If you can, it'll probably be online. It

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might even be through FetLife.

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your local area that don't vibe with the

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existing groups.

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1. Send them, you know, hey. I've got

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this event. I've got this group online.

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You know, come check it out. If you

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get to know somebody with more experience in

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your local community who's maybe been around for

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a while that is not down with, you

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know, that group or has a different sort

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of ethos in that group, maybe they can

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partner with you and maybe they can use

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their connections to to draw more people in.

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So I think that they're you know, 2

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things can be happening at once. You can

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be working to grow your in person much

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Mhmm. And exploring online community. Because, yes, I

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can do a world of good because sometimes

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what we need to do is be in

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a space with other kinksters for it to

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feel normalized to us to be like, oh,

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yeah. These are just people who go to

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work like I go to work, or they

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they go to school like I go to

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school, or they, you know, have kids, or

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they have this, or they have that. It

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we're just all people. And there is a

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benefit to that part of the the

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in person space.

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either. There's there's some spaces and there are

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some people. Sure. Sure. But there's a huge

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benefit to being finding your community online because

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some people like you are not in an

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area where you have access to a lot

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of in person community. Some people

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cannot, for all kinds of reasons, physically go

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into in person spaces, and so online community

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is what they need. So those spaces online

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spaces are valid

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if you can find the ones where you're

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not seeing a bunch of red flags and

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people take moderation and and community guidelines seriously

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and and that kind of stuff. So I

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think it's a

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a both and, and I think that what

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you learn and who you meet in the

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online community may inform what you do for

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your in person community. But all of it

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your local community was amazing and they weren't

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filled with red flags and you were going

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to every munch and every event they hold,

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you might still not immediately make kink friends

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or meet a kinky partner in even the

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1st year of doing that. Right? Like, it

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all takes time.

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You are because of the nature of of

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your local community, you're taking a slower path,

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but I think it's if you're willing to

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keep it up and it it serves you

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to keep doing this, I think you're

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you're benefiting the overall community in general. You

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know? And I think, ultimately, you become a

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better kinkster, a more educated kinkster by doing

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it because the more you have to think

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about kink in

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non, like, mid scene dynamic ways, but, like,

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like, big picture think about kink, the the

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more it's sort of top of mind and

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you are more aware of red flags sometimes

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and you are you become a little bit

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more educated about kink in ways you might

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not have otherwise, and that ends up being

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to your own benefit most of the time.

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So Mhmm. Yeah. You you can do it

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if that's what you want, but and but

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also do not do not think that the

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online community is somehow

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bad or or ineffective or, you know, because

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it's not the, quote, best thing that people,

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recommend or the first thing that people recommend

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that it doesn't have value, has a ton

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of value. And there are Discord servers. And

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even to this day, somehow, there are Facebook

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groups. Yeah. And, you know, there are folks

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like us who have,

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you know, we do

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an open livestream once a month, like you

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mentioned, on YouTube, but then we have Patreon

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communities where we have our own private Discord

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and, like, people are all out there doing

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the thing. It's just a matter of connecting

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Finding and connecting. Right. And with people that

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you vibe with. Mhmm.

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Yep. So that's that's what I'd say about

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that. Mhmm.

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