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You're listening to loving Bd podcast. Kill Alerts

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with the 1 the only the pun master

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himself. John Brown? Know about pun master, but

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you definitely have a pun bone about me.

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Lola reese. Yeah.

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She's starting early to be agreeing with us

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right here right now. Yeah. There was a

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time when

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you were trying to get me to run

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screaming into the dark night because of your

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puns and dad jokes.

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And they have sort of, like... I think

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I look Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying.

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Okay. 9. I don't I don't know. I

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just know that Lola has strong opinions apparently

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so. Mh

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Exactly.

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Carry on. Okay. This week, we are answering

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a question from a Kings who wants to

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know how to move from dating apps or

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Vet life to meeting in real life.

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Okay. Look, let's get straight in the question.

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It is. Short and sweet with a bonus

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question

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additive. U. How do I know when to

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move from a dating app or fe life

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to meeting in real life?

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How do you find niche kinks? I'm looking

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for sub daddy, but there isn't even a

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fe life group for that.

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So let's start with the second question first.

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Okay.

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My thought is when you cannot find a

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group

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in a space like fat life, it's sort

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of like a bunch. You you make your

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own. Right.

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If there are others they're eventually, they will

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find you. Be quick and easy, but they'll...

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They'll they'll find it. Mh. Yep. And, you

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know, if you create the group. You know,

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you could go and

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if you know people that you think might

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be interested, you know, you can recruit for

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your group. Exactly.

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The other thing I I would say is

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think about the other ways people might be

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labeling

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themselves that mean what you mean. Right? If

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you are. Thing looking for a sub daddy,

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which is not a a grouping of terms.

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I've ever heard. Nope. Somebody else might use

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different terms to mean the same thing. And

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so you're just using different labels, but you're

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speaking the same language. So that's another thing

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to consider terms when you're looking for an

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niche king. So I wanted to throw that

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in there because I know that's a question

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some people do tend to have. But the

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big question.

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As how do you know when you'd go

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trying to go online to in person. Well,

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know, there... There's no

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there's no set time frame for any of

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proceeds in their own way. Some people move

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faster. Some people move slower. Some people, you

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know, there's is somewhere in between, and and

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it's... You know, I I think it's just

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a a come down to, you know, when

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you're communicating with somebody that you feel comfortable?

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typical to feel a little a little nervous

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maybe even it rises to the level of

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anxious.

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But if you are shaking in your boots

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terrified, maybe you're not ready yet. Right

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nervous, sure, you meet somebody.

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I do think there's something to be said

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for kind of whatever your basic checklist of,

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I think this person is real and it's

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worth taking the extra step to meet in

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person.

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To think about what that checklist looks like.

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For us. We were online only talking on

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the actual telephone when I used to use

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my phone as an actual phone.

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I don't do that anymore.

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we met and purse now that was because

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we were long distance,

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but by the time we had...

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each other's real legal names. Yep. We knew

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where the other worked. We had a good

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idea of each other's

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daily, weekly schedules. We had an idea of

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what each other's lives

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sort of looked like. Mh.

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And we were friends and wanted to hang

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out with 1 another, even if it didn't

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turn sexy or kinky. Right. But we also

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understood each other. Kings knew what we were

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looking for had talked about what power exchange

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would look like for us in person would

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a kin scene would look like for us

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in person. And we... Now to it when

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you're long distance, you kind of have

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the luxury of time because it it's not

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usually a fast thing. Critics to move from

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online or no. I I think it was

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what, like, 3 and 3 and a half

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months Something like that. Yeah. Close to yeah.

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Close to 4 months, something like. Yeah.

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our comfort level,

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and that was a long process.

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I will say I do think that some

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not all

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people

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are more inclined to move too quickly than

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too slowly. Yeah. I'm gonna be Lee of

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a potential partner who is rushing me, pressuring

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me, making me feel guilty because I don't

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feel like, I'm ready yet. Mh.

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I'm also gonna be looking for signs like,

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have we already gone... Had a a time

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frame where I'm didn't know where the hell

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that person was, and they weren't talking to

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me, and it we'd had radio silence. Well,

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if you're doing that's to me before we've...

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Meant. Even met in person,

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I'm not Yeah. Hopeful for,

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you know, in person. Now, and 1 thing

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the the in person,

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for the initial first meeting,

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I I would do it in a very,

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oh, gosh. I need a word and I

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can't.

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you, you know,

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but that wasn't the word about. I know.

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I didn't think so.

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Pressure free. Pressure free.

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Thank you. Here's another word for that, but

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my brain can't. Yeah.

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You know, so relaxed. So it's it's pressure

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free. You you have the ability to be...

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To relax because let's face it. You know,

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whether it's,

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you know, non kin meeting or or a

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or kinky meeting with a person for the

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first time you know, you still wanna get

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to know that person. Right. Alright? And,

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you know, if if you do do so

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in in a public... Place whether you, you

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know, go out for a bite to eat

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somewhere wear a cafe, you go to a

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coffee shop. Have a cup of coffee. It

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allows both you to talk place because you

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you wanna see if what you had online

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translates its real life. Right. And you also

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want both of you need the... Freedom to

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go. Okay. This is not what I thought

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it was gonna be... I would like to

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leave now. Right. You have a nice life.

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Mh. So, yeah, I think that first meeting...

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Yes. Freedom I'm sure there's a better word

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than pressure free. Somebody is yelling it and

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device right now. I.

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But, yeah. I I agree. I think that

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you want...

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To keep your... I think it's okay to

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have high expectations for the person.

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Because you're hoping that they continue to be

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who they have said they were this whole

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time. But I would keep your expectations low

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for what actually happens. This is

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a little bit like

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a next level of that first conversation. Because

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now we're gonna have that first conversation face

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to face. We're gonna be in each other's

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presence, and there's gonna be body language, and

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there's gonna be facial expressions, and there's gonna

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be... You're... There's there's gonna be a lot

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of cues that you are not able to

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to get and see and experience. There's you

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know, whether you're chatting through some, like, fat

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life or text or, you know, email? Exactly.

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okay for both

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partners to be very nervous, which can sometimes

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screw up a first and crash and I

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am that person who can

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completely make you think I'm a... I am

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not

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the person you thought I was because I'm

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now out of my comfort zone. But that

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is the thing I would tell somebody before

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I met them. In person for the first

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time Would be like hey, you know how

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I'm chat with you online, because this is

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easy. I am terrified about this meeting. I

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will probably be very nervous. I'm gonna over

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communicate that. Yeah. Because I know that about

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myself. Mh.

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when it's time

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and when you're ready to meet in person,

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I think there are things that you can

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look...

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potential partner, the person you're trying to meet.

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For green flags and red flags, you know,

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red flags is pressure

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high expectations,

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notched respecting your comfort zone. You know, if

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you're like, hey, I just wanna, like, get

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together for a cup of coffee first, and

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then we'll take it from there. You know,

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there are plenty of people who will meet

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a person in

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for the first time physically meet them at

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the munch. True. Knowing that maybe there's a

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party or a dungeon thing afterwards, and the

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whole idea is I can meet you in

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this kin affiliated public things.

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And if it works out, hey, we'll we'll

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go do the other thing. Right?

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you know, look to make sure, you know,

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that you're you're paying attention to how the

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other person is treating that. Right? Like, if

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they're... Telling you hey, I'm nervous too, You

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know, hey, I'd like to do this, but,

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yes, let's go as slow as we need

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to go. Like, if they just continue to

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be the person they've been

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online, then I think that's, those are green

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flags. Yeah.

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also make sure that you're not the 1

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rushing the other person. You might be Mh.

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Ready to go. You have no doubts you're

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like This is it. This is what I

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want. And the other person... But you have

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to be mindful of the other person. Exactly.

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Where they're at. Because they may not

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be at that point mh. As quickly as

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you are. Now, here's a caveat, and I

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don't think it happens. All the time, but

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I think it happens often enough that there's

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somebody out there going well. This is my

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experience. And that is the person who strings

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you a longs and is never ready. Yeah.

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To me in person.

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What your personal time threshold for that is

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it is person mh. Some people are gonna

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be like, hey, we live in the same

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town, and we've tried

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4 times over the past month. To make

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this work and you bail every time. Or

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you push it back every time.

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What's going on here? For others, it's 3

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months, it's 6 months. It's fine Yeah.

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Sometimes people

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say they wanna meet in person and what

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they really want is online. Sometimes people are

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not who they say they are or And

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they know they're gonna get found out. And

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then sometimes people are just really

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anxious. And

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An is shy, introverted. You know there could

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be. All these things. And only you can

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decide

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if you are willing to wait out

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this person's

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shy or nervous,

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for however long that might mean.

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So,

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yeah. There's no I... You know, there's no

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real

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clear cut answer? No. Like you said, the

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beginning is completely personal. Yeah. It really is

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based on signs and and signals from of

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you. Mh. And, you know, mutually being ready

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for And I think... I know for me,

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it wasn't like any... As a particular

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thing.

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It was just something that after

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an amount of time it was like, I

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I just knew. Mh.

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Mh. Okay.

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You know, I I know that's not a...

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An explanation or, you know, AA2 answer, But

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I I think when when it it comes

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down to it. You just kinda know. Yeah.

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By the time we were meeting each other

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in person face to face,

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neither of us slept the night before because

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we were so excited. Yeah. If you can

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get to that point mutually, then, you know,

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regardless of how it turns out, that's that's

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a perfect sign. Mh. But sometimes you have

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to give yourself and maybe

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know, your partner a little nudge, and that's

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okay. As long as there's not pressure and

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guilt and all the, you know,

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unnecessary stuff. You that goes along with that.

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But... Yeah, that is the imperfect un,

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probably very dissatisfied

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answer

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Sorry Sorry.

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But I know that it's a question people

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have. Yeah. Especially if you've had

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past...

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Experiences that were negative where. You know, you

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thought you were going to meet with them

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and then they canceled on you 10 times.

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Or you did have that person meeting made

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you had your first scene, and then you

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got ghost.

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And, you know,

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there's there's no way to ga t that

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none of that will around you. There's there

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just isn't. There just comes a point for

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you personally when you go, I'm ready or

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need a little bit more time, or

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I have

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I have some things I need to get

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answered and... Like I know about this person

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first. Mh. And that's fine. Okay. That really

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is fine. But when you do, we highly

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recommend public play separate. Separately get there so

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you could separate, like leave. Mh. Make sure

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you're both...

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Who you said you were. Right. And then

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you can go from there, what you do.

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And and both of you, you know, I

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I think it's a good idea for both

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parties make sure you have a safe call.

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Yes. Now explain what safe Call. Safe call

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is when you are meeting somebody for the

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first time especially in in king lifestyle, Although,

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the... It could go for any absolutely. It's

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it's actually a a good rule of thumb

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for anybody meeting in for the first time.

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But you have a designated person that say,

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hey, I'm going to meet this person that

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I met online for the first time

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and

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don't know what to expect. So at at

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at a specific time, I'm gonna call you

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to let you know everything is okay. If

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you don't hear from me... Call me. Yeah.

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Because sometimes that goes so well that you

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forget your supposed to call person. Now in

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the... 20 first century and, you know, 20

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24 and beyond. There are things like life

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03:60 that friends add themselves to. I am

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too far and old, I cannot imagine any

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being anybody being able to track my movements.

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But if you got something like that, and

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you've got a friend that you trust You're,

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like, here's where I'm gonna go... Here's what

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I'm supposed to be. Here's how long I

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was supposed to be here if you see

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movement if you... You know, call me reach

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out, blah blah. Right. But, yeah. Safe calls

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are

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sort of an old ish school way for

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Kingston to make sure they stayed safe when

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they went to. To meet somebody new. Whether

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it was just a a regular old date

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or whether it was for play. So if

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there's AII

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think, you know, yes. It it is a...

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A old.

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Because it's before things like life through 60.

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Right. Or you could track. Exactly.

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But III...

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You know, it it it may be 1

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of those those things that have been around

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since forever. But I think it's 1 of

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those things that are tried and true. Yeah.

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And and kind of, you know, I think

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we'll always be what Yes. At some version

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of it needs to exist. If you were

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going off to meet a stranger. Mh. Essentially

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a stranger, Please let somebody

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in your life now. And if you are

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that person like, I have any kinky friends.

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You do not have to tell them you're

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going to meet a king purse just say,

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hey. I got a date.

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We've been talking online.

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Now we're doing the in person thing? I

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need... Could you be my safe call? I'll

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say you know, you should hear from me

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by this time. Here's the name of the

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person I'm going to be with yes, their

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legal name. Here's the place where... Supposed to

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be. I will call you tech... Not even

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a text. This is a phone call. Okay?

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I will call you at this time. If

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you do not hear for me, please call

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me. If I don't answer

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a call somebody who, like, you know, has

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authority because something has gone time wrong.

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And sometimes it's a false alarm, and nothing

433
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has gone wrong, but in into in the

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world. Let us please, maybe

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you know, air on the side of caution.

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I would rather

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have to be a little bit embarrassed because

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there was a well checked up to my

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house.

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Right. To tell an off. No at no.

441
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I'm really live. I just... I... My phone

442
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died to forgot to to tell my friend

443
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whatever was.

444
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But, yeah, that's a that's a thing that

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I've

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certain but I

447
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have not only known since I

448
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figured out it was kinky back in 20

449
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12, which feels like like forever ago, but

450
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it's really not. But I've, you know, read

451
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books that were written in the late nineties

452
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early ops, and that was, like That was

453
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the advice then too. Yeah So I no

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doubt it's it's a very long standing kind

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of Mh. Kind of thing. Yeah. But, yeah.

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There is life's 03:60 And if that's more

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your style, whenever. Out something.

458
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Something something something in really are. Right.

459
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But, yeah.

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60 that was a little bit of a

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side tangent when went on there was. It

462
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was. It was. But hopefully that helps somebody?

463
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Yeah. I mean, it's, you know.

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I I think it's something that

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bears mentioning, you know, to be safe at

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all time. To forget. For yeah. K. Mh.

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