1 00:00:10,825 --> 00:00:12,485 - You are listening to the Loving BDSM podcast, 2 00:00:12,635 --> 00:00:14,045 episode 3 77. 3 00:00:14,295 --> 00:00:18,365 Kayla Lord's here with the one, the only the person 4 00:00:18,465 --> 00:00:20,805 who may love his dog more than he loves his wife. 5 00:00:21,035 --> 00:00:25,405 John Brownstone. I love you both equally, equally, . 6 00:00:27,825 --> 00:00:32,565 Anyway, this week 7 00:00:32,655 --> 00:00:34,725 we're gonna go over some uh, times 8 00:00:34,755 --> 00:00:37,005 that BDSM has been in the news recently. 9 00:00:37,715 --> 00:00:39,525 This episode is full of opinion 10 00:00:39,665 --> 00:00:41,245 and conjecture and speculation. 11 00:00:41,265 --> 00:00:42,645 We know nothing for a fact. 12 00:00:42,965 --> 00:00:44,685 just putting that out there, . 13 00:00:45,105 --> 00:00:46,645 Uh, and Lola knows she's loved. 14 00:00:46,785 --> 00:00:48,845 She is left from getting head rubs 15 00:00:48,865 --> 00:00:50,885 and is gone to lay on her cott 16 00:00:50,885 --> 00:00:53,085 and think about how her daddy loves her best of all. 17 00:00:53,585 --> 00:00:55,885 But I'm not bitter. It's fine 'cause I love her too. 18 00:00:55,995 --> 00:00:57,285 It's fine. It's fine. 19 00:00:57,605 --> 00:00:59,605 , welcome to the Loving BDSM podcast. 20 00:00:59,875 --> 00:01:01,645 This is your first time listening. Glad to have you. 21 00:01:01,645 --> 00:01:03,565 If you're back for another week, welcome back. 22 00:01:03,665 --> 00:01:05,525 Loving BDSM is produced every Friday 23 00:01:05,525 --> 00:01:06,965 for your kinky pleasure in education. 24 00:01:06,965 --> 00:01:09,245 And show notes are found@lovingbdsm.net. 25 00:01:09,475 --> 00:01:11,005 Come back often and feel free to add the podcast 26 00:01:11,065 --> 00:01:12,365 to your favorite podcast app. 27 00:01:12,545 --> 00:01:16,445 You can also follow the show on Fe Life at Loving BDSM pc. 28 00:01:16,445 --> 00:01:17,685 What is our name there? I don't know. 29 00:01:17,965 --> 00:01:20,125 Loving b Dsm pc. 30 00:01:20,145 --> 00:01:22,805 The PC stands for podcast on Instagram 31 00:01:22,865 --> 00:01:24,565 and technically threads at that handle. 32 00:01:24,685 --> 00:01:27,925 I will Forever Fucking Hate Loving DSS. And the number one. 33 00:01:27,925 --> 00:01:29,725 So that's at Loving DS one. 34 00:01:29,985 --> 00:01:32,285 Or on YouTube at youtube.com/loving 35 00:01:32,675 --> 00:01:33,925 bdsm, where you can watch us live. 36 00:01:33,925 --> 00:01:35,365 Stream the podcast every Wednesday. 37 00:01:35,905 --> 00:01:37,085 All links are in the show notes. 38 00:01:38,025 --> 00:01:40,805 Uh, I just wanna let you know, as of today, 39 00:01:40,825 --> 00:01:42,285 the day this episode comes out, 40 00:01:42,505 --> 00:01:44,485 the Kry is having one more sale 41 00:01:44,485 --> 00:01:45,925 before the end of the year, uh, 42 00:01:46,325 --> 00:01:48,165 starting today, December 18th. 43 00:01:48,745 --> 00:01:50,365 Uh, if you spend $35 44 00:01:50,545 --> 00:01:54,645 or more, uh, you get free standard shipping on your order 45 00:01:54,755 --> 00:01:58,085 with code free shipping 23. 46 00:01:58,385 --> 00:01:59,725 Do not worry about memorizing that. 47 00:01:59,725 --> 00:02:02,885 I'll have it posted on the website, the kry.com . 48 00:02:02,915 --> 00:02:05,765 This is for us orders only on this one, y'all. 49 00:02:05,885 --> 00:02:08,245 I, we try to do things that are open for everybody, 50 00:02:08,245 --> 00:02:10,085 but free shipping, y'all. 51 00:02:10,285 --> 00:02:14,245 International shipping is expensive. Okay? . 52 00:02:14,465 --> 00:02:18,285 So if you're ordering Christmas gifts, if you're ordering, 53 00:02:18,585 --> 00:02:21,125 uh, stuff for your New Year's, uh, 54 00:02:21,605 --> 00:02:25,445 kinky Fuckery if you're ordering, maybe not Hanukkah 55 00:02:25,605 --> 00:02:28,165 'cause it's already started and it'll be done by the 15th. 56 00:02:28,185 --> 00:02:31,445 But maybe Winter Solstice like now is the time. Mm-Hmm. 57 00:02:31,485 --> 00:02:33,085 , take advantage of free shipping. 58 00:02:33,705 --> 00:02:36,365 Get, uh, get some, get some fuckery 59 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:38,565 before the end of the sale, which is December 13th. 60 00:02:39,075 --> 00:02:43,565 Okay? Uh, the only thing that the, you can get it in time 61 00:02:43,625 --> 00:02:46,245 for your holiday that won't be true is anything we 62 00:02:46,275 --> 00:02:47,485 make with resins. 63 00:02:47,485 --> 00:02:48,725 So, resin lay paddles 64 00:02:48,725 --> 00:02:50,885 and canes with resin handles, those are made to order. 65 00:02:51,345 --> 00:02:54,325 And there's a four week processing time at this point. 66 00:02:54,505 --> 00:02:56,525 So if it's already made 67 00:02:56,985 --> 00:02:59,965 and you order within the time of this sale, 68 00:03:01,145 --> 00:03:04,205 we should be able to get it to you in time for your holiday. 69 00:03:04,345 --> 00:03:05,765 But think of your holiday dates. 70 00:03:06,025 --> 00:03:08,845 You will know better than I what your holiday of choice is, 71 00:03:09,085 --> 00:03:10,405 - and, and, and when you need it. 72 00:03:10,625 --> 00:03:12,685 And, and don't forget, no matter how you ship, 73 00:03:12,685 --> 00:03:16,125 whether it's post office or U-P-S-U-P-S 74 00:03:16,185 --> 00:03:18,405 or FedEx, they are jam packed. 75 00:03:18,505 --> 00:03:20,125 - Things are slowing down, running right now. Yeah. 76 00:03:20,265 --> 00:03:22,445 So the earlier you can order the better. 77 00:03:22,865 --> 00:03:24,565 So that's why we like to do this sale. Mm-Hmm. 78 00:03:24,605 --> 00:03:26,485 from December 8th to December 13th. 79 00:03:27,105 --> 00:03:29,485 Any US order, $35 80 00:03:29,665 --> 00:03:32,925 or more, you can get free standard shipping with the code, 81 00:03:33,345 --> 00:03:35,925 coupon code free shipping 23. 82 00:03:36,435 --> 00:03:39,565 Just go to the ry.com/shop if you want. 83 00:03:39,565 --> 00:03:41,605 Or just go to the ry.com and start looking around. 84 00:03:41,785 --> 00:03:44,965 And when you check out if your order is shipping in the US 85 00:03:45,875 --> 00:03:48,205 free shipping 23 is the code. 86 00:03:48,205 --> 00:03:49,205 You'll get the option 87 00:03:49,225 --> 00:03:51,645 to get free standard shipping on your order 88 00:03:52,675 --> 00:03:53,685 link in the show notes. 89 00:03:54,545 --> 00:03:57,485 We okay now 90 00:03:57,825 --> 00:03:58,765 - And away we go. Really, 91 00:03:58,765 --> 00:04:02,845 - Before we get into the topic, , I would like 92 00:04:02,845 --> 00:04:06,205 to say thank you to educated for sponsoring us once again. 93 00:04:06,585 --> 00:04:08,405 Yes. Okay. We've been talking about educated 94 00:04:08,465 --> 00:04:09,525 for a long time. 95 00:04:09,525 --> 00:04:10,805 Mm-Hmm. , if you've been in here 96 00:04:10,805 --> 00:04:12,485 for a hot minute, you've heard of educated. 97 00:04:12,505 --> 00:04:14,765 But this is a great time 98 00:04:15,345 --> 00:04:17,005 to think about educated for yourself. 99 00:04:17,585 --> 00:04:20,405 If you don't know, educated is basically an online learning 100 00:04:20,725 --> 00:04:23,325 platform, but it's all sex and relationships and kink. 101 00:04:23,515 --> 00:04:25,805 Like, it's, it's not, you know, how 102 00:04:25,805 --> 00:04:27,725 to draw a cartoon character. 103 00:04:27,995 --> 00:04:32,645 It's how to draw a cartoon character on your partner's clit. 104 00:04:32,805 --> 00:04:34,445 I mean, maybe that might be in there. 105 00:04:34,765 --> 00:04:38,325 , um, with your tongue. You know what I mean? 106 00:04:38,325 --> 00:04:39,605 Like, there's that. 107 00:04:39,985 --> 00:04:44,765 Um, so right now educated is, uh, 108 00:04:45,035 --> 00:04:48,725 letting you maybe find a good holiday gift 109 00:04:49,465 --> 00:04:52,645 for less and give the gift of pleasure, 110 00:04:53,225 --> 00:04:54,245 of better communication. 111 00:04:54,775 --> 00:04:57,005 Maybe a little bit of extra kink you haven't tried before. 112 00:04:57,845 --> 00:05:01,725 Whatever, whatever. Uh, when you, uh, buy an annual 113 00:05:02,345 --> 00:05:05,845 yearly pass and use the code Loving you save 40% off, 114 00:05:06,035 --> 00:05:08,125 believe that's like an $80 savings. 115 00:05:08,275 --> 00:05:11,565 Like, it's, it's not a small amount. Mm-Hmm. . 116 00:05:11,565 --> 00:05:14,165 It's a decent amount. And the nice thing is you can gift 117 00:05:14,165 --> 00:05:15,365 that to like a partner, 118 00:05:15,905 --> 00:05:18,165 but you can both, you know, benefit from it. 119 00:05:18,305 --> 00:05:19,405 You can gift it to a friend. 120 00:05:19,405 --> 00:05:21,165 You're like, oh, we are that kind of friend 121 00:05:21,505 --> 00:05:22,885 and I know that we can talk about this stuff. 122 00:05:22,885 --> 00:05:24,445 And if I give this to you, that won't be weird. 123 00:05:25,275 --> 00:05:27,285 - It's a win-win. - It is a win-win. 124 00:05:27,745 --> 00:05:31,325 Um, so I will always say, I want their kink side 125 00:05:31,385 --> 00:05:32,965 to go deeper, be more. 126 00:05:33,185 --> 00:05:35,245 But they are constantly adding classes. 127 00:05:35,505 --> 00:05:38,125 And the classes that they offer, the educators, 128 00:05:38,465 --> 00:05:40,485 the kink ones, it's the one that I care about. 129 00:05:40,595 --> 00:05:42,285 They're legit kink educators. 130 00:05:42,285 --> 00:05:45,245 Like, they're not like randos off the fucking streets. 131 00:05:45,385 --> 00:05:48,525 So you're gonna get legit, uh, education. 132 00:05:48,585 --> 00:05:50,525 If you are not into this, into sex 133 00:05:50,525 --> 00:05:51,445 and you don't want, you don't, 134 00:05:51,445 --> 00:05:52,285 that's not what you're there for. 135 00:05:52,665 --> 00:05:54,005 You can learn about communication. 136 00:05:54,065 --> 00:05:56,245 You can learn about parts of kink 137 00:05:56,245 --> 00:05:58,485 that aren't necessarily sexual if you are about the sex. 138 00:05:58,485 --> 00:05:59,925 There's all kinds of stuff there. 139 00:06:00,465 --> 00:06:02,965 Um, and yeah, so just 140 00:06:03,555 --> 00:06:06,845 take a look whether you're gonna give yourself the gift 141 00:06:06,845 --> 00:06:08,805 of pleasure or somebody you know, 142 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:11,405 make sure you use code Loving, use the link in the places. 143 00:06:12,035 --> 00:06:16,125 Okay. Use Code Loving. Save 40% educated. 144 00:06:16,235 --> 00:06:17,405 It's just, it's the thing. 145 00:06:18,025 --> 00:06:22,685 Get educated about sex pleasure relationships. Kink. 146 00:06:23,515 --> 00:06:26,925 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. Educated . 147 00:06:28,795 --> 00:06:30,805 Okay. Oh, 148 00:06:30,865 --> 00:06:33,165 and I do wanna say one day you get for free, 149 00:06:33,875 --> 00:06:34,925 like you can look around 150 00:06:34,945 --> 00:06:36,445 and if you're like, uh, no thank you, 151 00:06:36,555 --> 00:06:37,725 then you know about, you're fine. 152 00:06:38,385 --> 00:06:40,325 But you also get a 14 day money back guarantee. 153 00:06:40,345 --> 00:06:43,165 So if you're really dissatisfied in some way, you got time. 154 00:06:43,305 --> 00:06:47,325 So just code in places. No Lincoln Places code is loving. 155 00:06:48,175 --> 00:06:51,605 We're chaotic today. . Oh, I'm sure. 156 00:06:51,945 --> 00:06:54,725 I'm sure Educated is grateful for that. 157 00:06:55,245 --> 00:06:58,525 , whatever that was. . Okay. 158 00:06:58,745 --> 00:07:01,685 So it's A-B-D-S-M in the news episode. Mm-Hmm. 159 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:03,205 , uh, I don't remember 160 00:07:03,205 --> 00:07:04,205 how we did it the first time, but 161 00:07:04,205 --> 00:07:05,085 this is how we're doing it this time. 162 00:07:05,245 --> 00:07:06,445 'cause this is how my brain's working today. 163 00:07:07,025 --> 00:07:09,925 Um, these are different stories 164 00:07:09,955 --> 00:07:12,205 that I shared in our weekly newsletter. 165 00:07:12,745 --> 00:07:15,045 Um, there's a whole section at the top usually 166 00:07:15,045 --> 00:07:16,325 of BDSM in the news. 167 00:07:16,345 --> 00:07:19,245 And if I come across something, sometimes it's actual news, 168 00:07:19,315 --> 00:07:21,645 like these are, and sometimes it's like, here's an article, 169 00:07:22,285 --> 00:07:23,765 a mainstream site published. 170 00:07:23,875 --> 00:07:25,965 Well go read it. Here's an interview, whatever, whatever. 171 00:07:25,965 --> 00:07:30,045 But it's kink related. Um, these are headlines 172 00:07:30,045 --> 00:07:32,165 that ended up over the course of, I think November, 173 00:07:32,615 --> 00:07:34,085 maybe a little longer. 174 00:07:34,085 --> 00:07:35,725 Maybe October. No, all November. 175 00:07:36,025 --> 00:07:38,045 Uh, in our newsletter, you can subscribe 176 00:07:38,045 --> 00:07:39,125 to our newsletter for free. 177 00:07:39,145 --> 00:07:41,445 If you do you get, uh, A-B-D-S-M checklist. 178 00:07:42,025 --> 00:07:43,605 Um, it's some we're, 179 00:07:43,655 --> 00:07:44,965 we've got people signing up all the time 180 00:07:44,965 --> 00:07:46,245 for the newsletter, which is great. 181 00:07:46,465 --> 00:07:49,925 And then I send out a newsletter on Fridays every Friday. 182 00:07:50,145 --> 00:07:52,525 I'm consistent like that. And then people unsubscribe 183 00:07:52,525 --> 00:07:54,125 and I'm like, but what did you think we were doing here? 184 00:07:54,245 --> 00:07:55,725 I told you I was gonna send you a newsletter. 185 00:07:56,035 --> 00:07:57,605 It's also okay if you unsubscribe. 186 00:07:57,795 --> 00:08:00,325 Like my feelings are hurt. I just always find it funny. 187 00:08:00,725 --> 00:08:03,885 like, you were fine being on the list 188 00:08:03,935 --> 00:08:07,045 until I did the thing I said I was gonna do anyway. 189 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:10,845 So for folks who do get our newsletter every Friday 190 00:08:11,265 --> 00:08:12,565 and you pay attention to that section, 191 00:08:12,795 --> 00:08:13,805 some of these will be familiar. 192 00:08:13,825 --> 00:08:16,245 Mm-Hmm. . So, um, I'm gonna 193 00:08:16,795 --> 00:08:18,165 give a synopsis of it. 194 00:08:18,225 --> 00:08:20,245 The headline. Okay. And then a quick synopsis. 195 00:08:20,815 --> 00:08:22,685 Links to the actual articles are in the places. 196 00:08:22,745 --> 00:08:23,965 So if you wanna read the full thing 197 00:08:23,965 --> 00:08:25,725 and maybe get greater context 198 00:08:25,785 --> 00:08:27,685 or greater details that I might not give 199 00:08:27,685 --> 00:08:28,765 here, you can do that. 200 00:08:29,545 --> 00:08:31,725 And then we are going to just give our opinion 201 00:08:31,905 --> 00:08:34,045 or talk about the things that stood out to us 202 00:08:34,145 --> 00:08:36,965 or ask random questions that are unanswerable. 203 00:08:37,165 --> 00:08:38,885 'cause we don't know any of the people involved, 204 00:08:38,945 --> 00:08:40,245 but we're just gonna talk about 'em 205 00:08:40,475 --> 00:08:44,525 because sometimes kink ends up in the news sometimes 206 00:08:44,585 --> 00:08:46,045 for great reasons, sometimes not, 207 00:08:46,045 --> 00:08:47,165 sometimes for funny reasons. 208 00:08:48,185 --> 00:08:50,325 May the odds be forever in our favor. Okay. 209 00:08:50,465 --> 00:08:53,285 The first one, I'm gonna put a content warning on this just 210 00:08:53,285 --> 00:08:56,245 because we are going to mention, uh, 211 00:08:56,995 --> 00:08:58,485 assault like briefly. 212 00:08:59,105 --> 00:09:01,165 Um, I don't think we're gonna get into details 213 00:09:01,445 --> 00:09:04,285 'cause the story didn't necessarily get into details. 214 00:09:04,435 --> 00:09:06,405 Okay. But if you're like, Hmm, nope. 215 00:09:06,605 --> 00:09:08,485 I would say give us 10 minutes. 216 00:09:08,705 --> 00:09:12,645 Uh, if you are looking at the, the screen on YouTube, 217 00:09:12,755 --> 00:09:15,165 I'll like wave when you can come back. 218 00:09:15,275 --> 00:09:18,165 Okay. So mute us. Do whatever you gotta do. Fast forward. 219 00:09:18,305 --> 00:09:19,805 If it's like the podcast, whatever, 220 00:09:20,145 --> 00:09:21,365 if you want to know better. 221 00:09:21,365 --> 00:09:22,765 This one, I don't, I don't blame you. 222 00:09:22,985 --> 00:09:26,925 So the headline is 68% 223 00:09:26,925 --> 00:09:30,125 of women have had a non-consensual experience while 224 00:09:30,125 --> 00:09:31,365 trying BDSM. 225 00:09:32,385 --> 00:09:35,045 Uh, the article was, uh, published when I saw it. 226 00:09:35,045 --> 00:09:38,485 It was the UK Yahoo News site on November 1st. 227 00:09:38,765 --> 00:09:41,925 I believe it was originally published over in Cosmo 228 00:09:42,045 --> 00:09:44,085 Cosmopolitan online version. 229 00:09:44,285 --> 00:09:45,885 I don't know if they printed it in their magazine. 230 00:09:46,515 --> 00:09:49,085 Does Cosmos still do print magazines? I don't know. 231 00:09:50,185 --> 00:09:53,205 So lemme give you the rundown based on the article. 232 00:09:53,465 --> 00:09:56,925 So the research that showed 68% of women have gone 233 00:09:56,925 --> 00:09:59,685 through this, uh, was carried out by kinked, a dating app 234 00:09:59,705 --> 00:10:01,645 for BDSM and kink enthusiast. 235 00:10:01,865 --> 00:10:04,685 And that showed that 68% of female respondents claimed 236 00:10:04,685 --> 00:10:06,885 to have had a non-consensual kinky experience 237 00:10:07,155 --> 00:10:11,725 with people they'd met online who claimed to be into BDSM. 238 00:10:12,365 --> 00:10:13,965 I wish I could be shocked by that. Yeah. 239 00:10:14,345 --> 00:10:18,725 Um, of more than 3000 women who use online dating apps, 240 00:10:18,805 --> 00:10:20,125 I guess that's the amount that were surveyed. 241 00:10:20,435 --> 00:10:22,685 More than half said they experienced a violent 242 00:10:22,785 --> 00:10:25,325 or degrading act that hadn't been agreed upon 243 00:10:25,355 --> 00:10:26,365 with prior consent. 244 00:10:26,825 --> 00:10:30,525 And then according to another site, bed Bible, uh, ownership 245 00:10:30,525 --> 00:10:32,245 of BDSM equipment such as rope 246 00:10:32,265 --> 00:10:34,565 and whips has increased with 23%. 247 00:10:34,565 --> 00:10:37,005 Having used some them, some form of it in 2023 248 00:10:37,605 --> 00:10:38,725 compared to only 14%. 249 00:10:38,885 --> 00:10:40,525 I think that was to show that there's been an 250 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:41,925 - Increase Increase Yeah. In 251 00:10:42,275 --> 00:10:45,845 - Curiosity or play or experience in some form of king. 252 00:10:46,145 --> 00:10:49,085 - And that I'm not surprised by No, me neither. Okay. 253 00:10:49,145 --> 00:10:52,965 No, because there, you know, 254 00:10:52,965 --> 00:10:55,205 especially since 50 shades. 255 00:10:55,625 --> 00:10:57,085 - Oh yeah, - Yeah, yeah. For sure. Okay. 256 00:10:57,375 --> 00:11:01,485 Which really brought BDSM into 257 00:11:02,185 --> 00:11:03,565 the limelight, so to speak. 258 00:11:03,565 --> 00:11:06,205 Mm-Hmm. . There, there have been other movies 259 00:11:06,385 --> 00:11:10,925 and, and even, um, some streaming shows. 260 00:11:11,145 --> 00:11:14,245 Mm-Hmm. , you know, that deal with BDSM. 261 00:11:14,245 --> 00:11:15,725 Mm-Hmm. . So it's not shocking 262 00:11:15,725 --> 00:11:18,085 that more people there, more people are trying it. 263 00:11:18,315 --> 00:11:19,605 - More people are buying things. Mm-Hmm. 264 00:11:19,645 --> 00:11:20,845 more people are experimenting. 265 00:11:21,035 --> 00:11:24,285 None of that shocks me. Um, I kind of wish I could like, 266 00:11:24,285 --> 00:11:25,765 take them all by the hand and go Okay, 267 00:11:26,225 --> 00:11:28,765 but there's there's some rules that need to apply 268 00:11:28,765 --> 00:11:29,925 - Here. Exactly. And 269 00:11:30,125 --> 00:11:31,965 - Communication and consent are the top . Yeah. 270 00:11:31,965 --> 00:11:32,965 - Like Yeah. 271 00:11:33,185 --> 00:11:36,005 And, and unfortunately, I'm, I'm not surprised 272 00:11:36,425 --> 00:11:40,565 by the other percentage, you know, with, with women 68%. 273 00:11:40,565 --> 00:11:42,565 - Yeah. The new, the added nuance. 274 00:11:42,765 --> 00:11:43,965 'cause that's not what the headline said, 275 00:11:43,965 --> 00:11:45,405 which is why you can't just go by headlines. 276 00:11:45,405 --> 00:11:49,485 All right. You gotta read the article. Of the 68% had had a 277 00:11:49,485 --> 00:11:51,125 non-consensual kinky experience 278 00:11:51,395 --> 00:11:53,125 with somebody they met online that claimed 279 00:11:53,345 --> 00:11:54,645 to be into bdsm Mm-Hmm. 280 00:11:54,685 --> 00:11:57,565 , which means either they just said they were 281 00:11:57,565 --> 00:11:59,525 into BDSM, they did it like a net 282 00:11:59,525 --> 00:12:00,565 to see who they could attract. 283 00:12:00,565 --> 00:12:03,525 Right. Or they think they're into BDSM. 284 00:12:03,525 --> 00:12:06,245 And what they're into is abuse. Right. 285 00:12:06,245 --> 00:12:09,845 Because non-consensual BD SSM is abuse. Sorry. 286 00:12:09,845 --> 00:12:11,765 That's what that is. Non-consensual 287 00:12:11,925 --> 00:12:13,005 anything is, but you know what I mean? 288 00:12:13,005 --> 00:12:15,405 Like, like what are we doing here? 289 00:12:16,195 --> 00:12:18,325 Like, I know people are gonna do it and I can't stop 'em. 290 00:12:18,325 --> 00:12:20,925 And even though that makes me annoyed, like don't, don't 291 00:12:21,475 --> 00:12:23,325 wrap yourself in the trappings of kink 292 00:12:23,345 --> 00:12:25,045 and then do all of the wrong things, 293 00:12:25,755 --> 00:12:29,245 like non consensually doing anything to a partner. 294 00:12:29,375 --> 00:12:30,885 - Right. Um, I - Mean, I, 295 00:12:31,005 --> 00:12:32,885 - I wish that we could do that for all. 296 00:12:33,105 --> 00:12:35,845 And I, I say that I'm not shocked by that number. No. 297 00:12:36,145 --> 00:12:37,925 Uh, and part of that is 298 00:12:37,925 --> 00:12:41,005 because I have actually 299 00:12:41,665 --> 00:12:46,405 run across a number, uh, of women on social media, 300 00:12:47,545 --> 00:12:49,605 you know, talking about things like 301 00:12:49,605 --> 00:12:50,605 - This. Oh yeah. For sure. 302 00:12:50,945 --> 00:12:55,605 - And you know it when, you know, 303 00:12:55,605 --> 00:12:58,165 just in my bubble of alone of people that I, 304 00:12:58,195 --> 00:12:59,565 that I follow Mm-Hmm. 305 00:12:59,605 --> 00:13:02,725 . And I, I see this recurring theme 306 00:13:03,155 --> 00:13:05,005 that tells you something. Oh 307 00:13:05,005 --> 00:13:06,005 - Yeah, for sure. 308 00:13:06,005 --> 00:13:08,125 I mean, there's, there's lots of things going on here. 309 00:13:08,325 --> 00:13:09,845 'cause it's a nuanced thing. Mm-Hmm. 310 00:13:09,885 --> 00:13:14,165 the things that I commonly see are, um, either 311 00:13:15,205 --> 00:13:17,845 somebody is hooking up with a ster 312 00:13:17,845 --> 00:13:19,485 or somebody that they think is a ster Mm-Hmm. 313 00:13:19,525 --> 00:13:21,245 . And they've said, I want to do this thing. 314 00:13:21,825 --> 00:13:23,525 And then they start doing that thing, 315 00:13:23,825 --> 00:13:26,605 and then the person throws something else in there 316 00:13:26,605 --> 00:13:28,285 that wasn't discussed, negotiated, 317 00:13:28,345 --> 00:13:29,885 or maybe was said, I don't wanna do that. 318 00:13:30,065 --> 00:13:31,325 And they either pressure the person 319 00:13:31,385 --> 00:13:32,525 or they just outright fucking 320 00:13:32,625 --> 00:13:33,805 do it. Mm-Hmm. . And 321 00:13:34,385 --> 00:13:36,445 - The, - The person who like, 322 00:13:36,445 --> 00:13:39,245 thought they had negotiated a thing they were gonna do is 323 00:13:39,245 --> 00:13:41,365 thrown completely off because you've just added something 324 00:13:41,365 --> 00:13:42,405 in that they didn't consent to. 325 00:13:42,495 --> 00:13:44,485 Right. Regardless of, you know, 326 00:13:44,625 --> 00:13:45,965 how they end up feeling about it. 327 00:13:45,995 --> 00:13:47,485 It's more like, but we didn't talk about this. 328 00:13:48,145 --> 00:13:50,805 The, one of the other things that I see is actually not 329 00:13:50,835 --> 00:13:52,245 with sters necessarily. 330 00:13:52,275 --> 00:13:56,165 It's actually with non-kin sters of thinking that things 331 00:13:56,165 --> 00:13:58,685 that many kinky people would go, that's, 332 00:13:58,785 --> 00:14:00,525 that's very serious and dangerous. 333 00:14:00,525 --> 00:14:02,965 And what are you doing? And just like doing it. 334 00:14:02,965 --> 00:14:05,645 Like, it's nothing. Breath play being a big one. Right. 335 00:14:05,755 --> 00:14:07,565 Like, yeah. Why are you choking people 336 00:14:07,565 --> 00:14:08,765 without having a conversation? 337 00:14:08,825 --> 00:14:10,405 And also, why, why don't you consider 338 00:14:10,605 --> 00:14:11,925 yourself kinky? I'm just, and and, 339 00:14:12,465 --> 00:14:15,605 - And another thought that comes to me on on this is, 340 00:14:16,865 --> 00:14:18,445 you know, you're on a dating site. 341 00:14:18,545 --> 00:14:19,965 Mm-Hmm. . Alright. 342 00:14:20,265 --> 00:14:23,885 And, and dating sites can be a nightmare. 343 00:14:23,945 --> 00:14:25,565 - Oh my God. I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that 344 00:14:25,725 --> 00:14:26,725 - . 345 00:14:26,725 --> 00:14:28,165 I'm so glad. It, it, it is a quagmire 346 00:14:28,385 --> 00:14:29,605 to navigate. Mm-Hmm. . 347 00:14:29,865 --> 00:14:32,685 - Mm-Hmm. - , you know, and, 348 00:14:32,745 --> 00:14:36,725 and vetting people in, in the BDSM lifestyle 349 00:14:38,545 --> 00:14:40,365 is, is a must. Mm-Hmm. 350 00:14:40,405 --> 00:14:41,805 - . - Mm-Hmm. . 351 00:14:41,805 --> 00:14:45,085 You know, that's why you, you attend munches. 352 00:14:45,085 --> 00:14:46,845 That's why you attend workshops. 353 00:14:46,945 --> 00:14:48,485 You know, you, you talk to people. 354 00:14:48,785 --> 00:14:52,845 You, you see, you know, you know, for for, 355 00:14:52,945 --> 00:14:54,725 for all the misgivings of fe life, 356 00:14:55,025 --> 00:14:56,125 you know, you can go there. 357 00:14:56,145 --> 00:14:58,085 You, you can see what groups they're involved 358 00:14:58,085 --> 00:14:59,165 in, what Right. 359 00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:02,845 You know, what communities they, they are involved in. 360 00:15:02,865 --> 00:15:05,165 And on a dating site you have nothing, 361 00:15:05,165 --> 00:15:06,285 but you don't have any of 362 00:15:06,285 --> 00:15:07,965 that other than their word. Right. 363 00:15:07,965 --> 00:15:11,445 - And to be clear on fe life, somebody can 364 00:15:12,075 --> 00:15:14,285 fake their profile and make themselves look great. 365 00:15:14,395 --> 00:15:16,645 They can actually think that they're active members 366 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:19,205 of certain groups as well and still be shitty people. 367 00:15:19,435 --> 00:15:22,445 - Yeah. But the thing is, with, with that on fet, 368 00:15:22,445 --> 00:15:25,525 with seeing this, you have the opportunity to say, oh, 369 00:15:25,525 --> 00:15:27,085 they're a member of this community. 370 00:15:27,425 --> 00:15:28,605 Who are the community leaders? 371 00:15:28,785 --> 00:15:30,045 Let me reach out to them and find 372 00:15:30,045 --> 00:15:31,045 - Out. 373 00:15:31,045 --> 00:15:32,165 And here's the thing, here's the thing. I agree with you. 374 00:15:32,215 --> 00:15:33,485 We've given that advice. Mm-Hmm. . 375 00:15:33,485 --> 00:15:35,645 But I wanna be realistic about the people who do that. 376 00:15:35,995 --> 00:15:39,605 Because let's be real, the people who are willing to do 377 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:43,005 that are either people who just do that 378 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:44,645 for everything that's just Mm-Hmm. 379 00:15:44,685 --> 00:15:47,605 their way of navigating life. Yeah. 380 00:15:48,465 --> 00:15:53,165 Or people who have been in kink long enough 381 00:15:53,625 --> 00:15:55,525 to have gained both the knowledge 382 00:15:55,625 --> 00:15:57,165 and the confidence to do that. 383 00:15:57,335 --> 00:15:59,885 There are some people who, who walk, who rock up to kink 384 00:15:59,885 --> 00:16:01,045 and go, yeah, I already have, I'll do it. 385 00:16:01,045 --> 00:16:02,285 It's fine. I wanna be super safe. 386 00:16:02,585 --> 00:16:06,925 But most people won't. Right. 387 00:16:07,205 --> 00:16:08,725 I mean, I think that 388 00:16:09,545 --> 00:16:11,645 ta just taking a look at somebody online 389 00:16:11,905 --> 00:16:14,805 beyond their dating profile in fat life, 390 00:16:15,735 --> 00:16:16,845 their hidden Instagram 391 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:18,765 that you somehow manage to find, I don't know how you do it. 392 00:16:18,865 --> 00:16:20,125 I'm not that good. But you do it. Mm-Hmm. . 393 00:16:20,125 --> 00:16:21,885 And you figure out who they really are. I think 394 00:16:21,885 --> 00:16:23,685 that's an important step. 395 00:16:23,965 --> 00:16:27,005 Doing your research on somebody to the best that you can. 396 00:16:27,105 --> 00:16:30,765 And yes, I highly recommend actually vetting somebody if you 397 00:16:30,765 --> 00:16:33,325 can see that they say they're part of this group, 398 00:16:34,125 --> 00:16:35,365 reaching out in a DMM 399 00:16:35,365 --> 00:16:36,925 and going, Hey to the community leader, 400 00:16:36,985 --> 00:16:38,165 Hey, do you know this person? 401 00:16:38,305 --> 00:16:40,525 Can you tell me anything? I do recommend that. 402 00:16:40,765 --> 00:16:42,805 I think that's Yes, please do that. 403 00:16:42,985 --> 00:16:44,085 But I also wanna be realistic. 404 00:16:44,165 --> 00:16:45,245 A lot of people aren't gonna do that. 405 00:16:45,595 --> 00:16:48,045 They might not take somebody at their word. 406 00:16:48,205 --> 00:16:50,605 I think too many people will take them at their word 407 00:16:50,665 --> 00:16:51,925 and then they will, they will be. 408 00:16:52,065 --> 00:16:54,565 - But it's, it's something that people should be doing. Yes. 409 00:16:54,565 --> 00:16:56,325 It's important for them to do. I know. 410 00:16:56,445 --> 00:16:57,645 'cause let's face it, you get into the, 411 00:16:57,825 --> 00:17:00,685 you go into the wrong per get in 412 00:17:00,725 --> 00:17:02,725 with the wrong person. That's your life. 413 00:17:03,165 --> 00:17:05,005 - I understand, and I agree with you completely. 414 00:17:05,745 --> 00:17:08,245 But there's a difference between what we know people ought 415 00:17:08,245 --> 00:17:11,325 to do and then dealing with the reality of what people do. 416 00:17:11,325 --> 00:17:15,045 Mm-Hmm. . And so I, I think that yes, 417 00:17:15,045 --> 00:17:17,005 everything you've stated is a very good thing to do. 418 00:17:17,145 --> 00:17:20,285 Please do it. I would encourage you, even if you're scared, 419 00:17:20,445 --> 00:17:22,845 I promise you, if you dmm somebody on FetLife who claims 420 00:17:22,845 --> 00:17:24,445 to be a community leader, and you ask, 421 00:17:24,505 --> 00:17:25,605 Hey, do you know this person? 422 00:17:25,915 --> 00:17:28,725 What can you tell me? The good responsible ones will do 423 00:17:28,725 --> 00:17:30,965 their best to, to give you as honest answers they can. 424 00:17:31,075 --> 00:17:33,285 Okay. Yes, please do it. 425 00:17:33,625 --> 00:17:37,645 But also, the thing we go back to, you 426 00:17:37,645 --> 00:17:40,845 and I have gone back to many times over the years, is 427 00:17:41,265 --> 00:17:43,405 to not just listen to somebody's fucking words. 428 00:17:43,725 --> 00:17:44,885 'cause anybody can say anything, 429 00:17:45,425 --> 00:17:46,925 but to pay attention to their actions. 430 00:17:47,035 --> 00:17:49,645 Actions. Yes. And if anything, anything gives you 431 00:17:49,645 --> 00:17:50,725 that, like Hmm. 432 00:17:50,865 --> 00:17:53,485 Is something off here, you don't have 433 00:17:53,485 --> 00:17:55,325 to justify it to yourself. 434 00:17:55,745 --> 00:17:58,845 10 ways, uh, up and down. Mm-Hmm. 435 00:17:58,885 --> 00:18:01,565 to be able to be air quote, allowed 436 00:18:02,345 --> 00:18:03,405 to go, yeah, I'm gonna Nope. 437 00:18:03,425 --> 00:18:06,285 Out of this. Yeah. You know, if something feels 438 00:18:06,985 --> 00:18:09,125 off, slow down. 439 00:18:09,195 --> 00:18:11,525 Stop. Trust your gut instincts. Right. 440 00:18:11,665 --> 00:18:13,165 And that trust your gut instincts. 441 00:18:13,165 --> 00:18:15,805 And that is a, a skill that not everybody has true. 442 00:18:15,985 --> 00:18:19,325 But sometimes you, you gain the skill by just practicing it. 443 00:18:19,325 --> 00:18:20,245 And you go, if something doesn't feel 444 00:18:20,245 --> 00:18:20,925 right, I'm gonna slow down. 445 00:18:21,065 --> 00:18:23,845 The person who's most likely to be legit is gonna 446 00:18:24,755 --> 00:18:26,085 respect the slowdown. 447 00:18:26,705 --> 00:18:30,285 Um, the, I mean, there's no perfect way 448 00:18:30,285 --> 00:18:31,485 to avoid all abusers. 449 00:18:31,605 --> 00:18:35,045 I, god knows, I wish there was. Um, but yeah. 450 00:18:35,185 --> 00:18:36,485 Uh, my thing is pay attention 451 00:18:36,485 --> 00:18:38,085 to their actions way more than their words. 452 00:18:38,665 --> 00:18:39,685 Way more than their profile. 453 00:18:39,685 --> 00:18:41,205 Their profile's a good starting point. Mm-Hmm. 454 00:18:41,285 --> 00:18:43,245 . Um, you know, 455 00:18:43,265 --> 00:18:45,325 if this is when you start doing your internet cyber 456 00:18:45,925 --> 00:18:47,245 investigation, not quite stalking 457 00:18:47,325 --> 00:18:48,085 'cause we don't wanna do anything 458 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:49,005 illegal, but, you know Mm-Hmm. 459 00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:50,165 where you track them down Yeah. 460 00:18:50,165 --> 00:18:53,045 And you're like, wait, I found your hidden blah, blah, blah. 461 00:18:53,075 --> 00:18:55,725 Yeah. Yeah. Use that information. 462 00:18:56,265 --> 00:18:58,525 Um, but it's still not surprising to me 463 00:18:58,525 --> 00:19:00,365 and it's not surprising to me 464 00:19:00,365 --> 00:19:02,685 because it is very easy for somebody to say, 465 00:19:02,785 --> 00:19:03,885 we will do this thing 466 00:19:03,905 --> 00:19:05,565 and then decide that they're just gonna 467 00:19:05,565 --> 00:19:06,605 do what the fuck they want. 468 00:19:07,305 --> 00:19:10,565 And add an element of something that's non-consensual 469 00:19:10,565 --> 00:19:13,365 and somebody didn't want, which then potentially ruins the 470 00:19:13,365 --> 00:19:14,765 experience of kink for that poor person 471 00:19:14,865 --> 00:19:16,325 who maybe they're super kinky. 472 00:19:16,375 --> 00:19:17,325 Maybe this could be the best 473 00:19:17,325 --> 00:19:18,165 thing that ever happened to them. 474 00:19:18,585 --> 00:19:20,805 But they thought they were doing everything right. 475 00:19:21,355 --> 00:19:23,085 They negotiated a mm-Hmm. 476 00:19:23,125 --> 00:19:25,805 kinky sex or a scene or a whatever. And yeah. 477 00:19:25,995 --> 00:19:28,245 This motherfucker throws in something 478 00:19:28,515 --> 00:19:30,165 that they did not consent to. 479 00:19:30,165 --> 00:19:31,725 Right. And now they get to walk away going, 480 00:19:31,745 --> 00:19:32,845 is this what kink is? 481 00:19:33,835 --> 00:19:37,165 Yeah. For 68% of women maybe. Fucking so, yeah. 482 00:19:37,505 --> 00:19:39,405 And that's part of the heartbreak. 483 00:19:39,405 --> 00:19:41,405 There's lots of heartbreaking things on this kind of thing. 484 00:19:41,405 --> 00:19:42,365 Mm-Hmm. . But that's part of the 485 00:19:42,365 --> 00:19:43,285 heartbreak to me Sure. 486 00:19:43,505 --> 00:19:48,325 Is because you had the very bad luck to run into 487 00:19:48,355 --> 00:19:50,565 that motherfucker, whoever that motherfucker might be. 488 00:19:50,565 --> 00:19:52,885 Mm-Hmm. now, you know. Yeah. 489 00:19:53,465 --> 00:19:56,965 You you have a very understandable 490 00:19:57,625 --> 00:19:59,925 but jaded view of what kink can be. 491 00:19:59,995 --> 00:20:04,285 Yeah. And I'm just, I don't like it, is what I'm saying. 492 00:20:05,065 --> 00:20:09,765 Um, so yeah. 493 00:20:10,315 --> 00:20:13,965 Okay. Anything else you'd like to add about this one? 494 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:16,845 I didn't. No. I mean, I, did I, am I the one 495 00:20:16,845 --> 00:20:18,325 who planned this and put all these together 496 00:20:18,345 --> 00:20:20,125 and understood what I was like ordering them? 497 00:20:20,185 --> 00:20:24,285 Yes. Did I really mean to have us go in hot ? 498 00:20:24,505 --> 00:20:25,565 Not really. Not really. 499 00:20:26,025 --> 00:20:27,725 But here we're, now I'm gonna wave at the camera 500 00:20:27,785 --> 00:20:29,005 for anybody who had muted us. 501 00:20:29,075 --> 00:20:30,925 Yeah. Which will be different from my, 502 00:20:31,065 --> 00:20:32,245 uh, random hand waving. 503 00:20:32,365 --> 00:20:33,605 I do. 'cause I speak with my hands. 504 00:20:33,905 --> 00:20:36,525 I'm waving for anybody who's muted us. Okay. 505 00:20:36,925 --> 00:20:39,325 , the next one does have a content warning as well, 506 00:20:39,325 --> 00:20:41,485 but it's a different content warning . 507 00:20:41,825 --> 00:20:45,965 Wow. Um, wow. Okay. And this next one is heavy too. 508 00:20:46,105 --> 00:20:48,165 And then I think I end on a sort 509 00:20:48,165 --> 00:20:49,325 of light one, so we'll go with that. 510 00:20:49,355 --> 00:20:50,765 Okay. Okay. 511 00:20:50,875 --> 00:20:53,125 This next one, uh, the content warning is 512 00:20:53,145 --> 00:20:54,725 for mentions of violence. 513 00:20:55,345 --> 00:20:58,645 Not anything like super, let me double check myself 514 00:20:59,485 --> 00:21:00,725 a l there's a couple of details, 515 00:21:00,745 --> 00:21:02,085 but we don't go into the weeds on it. 516 00:21:02,085 --> 00:21:05,405 But if you're like, mm. Nope. And it's about murder, so, mm. 517 00:21:05,785 --> 00:21:06,925 If you need to mute this one 518 00:21:06,925 --> 00:21:08,445 or fast forward for podcast listeners. 519 00:21:09,025 --> 00:21:11,405 Um, yeah. And I will put timestamps in 520 00:21:11,405 --> 00:21:12,725 as well after the stream. 521 00:21:13,065 --> 00:21:14,165 So YouTube folks. Mm-Hmm. 522 00:21:14,205 --> 00:21:15,285 can navigate this better. But yeah, 523 00:21:15,285 --> 00:21:17,805 this one has content warning for mentions of violence. 524 00:21:18,105 --> 00:21:22,045 The headline murder of BDSM, queen 525 00:21:22,765 --> 00:21:25,165 Ensnared, the famous and powerful. 526 00:21:25,585 --> 00:21:28,845 Now, this article was originally published in the Toronto 527 00:21:29,025 --> 00:21:30,125 Sun on November 14th, 528 00:21:30,225 --> 00:21:32,485 and the crime actually occurred in 1997. 529 00:21:32,545 --> 00:21:34,765 So we're like in a true crime unsolved 530 00:21:35,315 --> 00:21:36,845 mystery kind of situation. 531 00:21:36,955 --> 00:21:38,525 Okay. So this is nothing recent, 532 00:21:38,525 --> 00:21:40,325 but yes, it absolutely affects real people. 533 00:21:41,145 --> 00:21:42,965 Um, and so 534 00:21:43,515 --> 00:21:46,245 this is stuff I definitely didn't know in 97. 535 00:21:46,445 --> 00:21:51,165 I was 18, so this would never have crossed my radar. Mm-Hmm. 536 00:21:51,205 --> 00:21:55,965 . So, um, the air quote, BDSM Queen, 537 00:21:56,905 --> 00:21:58,965 uh, is named, was named Nadia Frey. 538 00:21:59,065 --> 00:22:02,805 She was a pro dom, known as Mistress Hilda Pierce. 539 00:22:03,465 --> 00:22:05,525 Um, she worked in New York. 540 00:22:05,545 --> 00:22:08,805 She was originally from France, immigrated 541 00:22:08,905 --> 00:22:11,045 to the US at some point, um, 542 00:22:11,385 --> 00:22:14,245 and was doing her thing in New York, in Manhattan. 543 00:22:14,515 --> 00:22:17,525 Okay. So the details of the crime, uh, on Saturday, 544 00:22:17,675 --> 00:22:21,965 July 26th, 1997, she was discovered in her seventh floor. 545 00:22:22,315 --> 00:22:24,285 They, the article called it a layer 546 00:22:25,465 --> 00:22:27,245 on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. 547 00:22:28,265 --> 00:22:30,525 And they consistently called her dominatrix. So, okay. 548 00:22:30,525 --> 00:22:32,445 The dominatrix had been shot twice in the 549 00:22:32,445 --> 00:22:33,685 chest, once in the neck. 550 00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:35,765 And for good measure, she had been shot in the head. 551 00:22:36,565 --> 00:22:40,045 I know, I know. Wow. Um, this is sad. 552 00:22:40,385 --> 00:22:43,525 She was discovered by her daughter, who was also a pro dom. 553 00:22:43,665 --> 00:22:47,325 Mm. Um, so apparently her apartment was her dungeon. 554 00:22:47,325 --> 00:22:49,365 It's where she met customers and clients. Mm-Hmm. 555 00:22:49,405 --> 00:22:50,885 , um, painted black and gold. 556 00:22:50,945 --> 00:22:53,325 She had bars on things. She had her toys, she had her gear. 557 00:22:53,835 --> 00:22:55,725 Like apparently when you walked in, you, 558 00:22:55,905 --> 00:22:58,005 you knew you were there for kink is kind of 559 00:22:58,005 --> 00:22:59,165 how the article described it. 560 00:22:59,785 --> 00:23:02,765 Um, she even, like in her possession, had pictures 561 00:23:02,765 --> 00:23:06,485 of clients, um, usually in some kink positions. 562 00:23:06,545 --> 00:23:11,125 Now this is 97 digital cameras kind of, sort 563 00:23:11,125 --> 00:23:12,845 of were becoming a thing, but they were not, like, 564 00:23:12,845 --> 00:23:15,805 they became, it was the late nineties Mm-Hmm. 565 00:23:15,845 --> 00:23:17,165 . So most of the time, you, 566 00:23:17,185 --> 00:23:20,965 and if she'd been in business for a while, she, 567 00:23:21,185 --> 00:23:22,485 it was probably like Polaroids 568 00:23:22,485 --> 00:23:24,045 or developed pictures and Mm-Hmm. 569 00:23:24,085 --> 00:23:26,965 . I would've loved to have been that, uh, no. 570 00:23:26,965 --> 00:23:28,805 Well, photography place, late nineties. 571 00:23:28,985 --> 00:23:30,445 Um, but she wasn't new. 572 00:23:30,445 --> 00:23:32,165 She'd been doing this for a hot minute. True, true. 573 00:23:32,185 --> 00:23:34,605 So any pictures would not have just maybe 574 00:23:34,605 --> 00:23:35,805 been printed or something. 575 00:23:35,805 --> 00:23:38,565 Correct. Right. Um, so 576 00:23:39,705 --> 00:23:41,165 she did cater to the wealthy. 577 00:23:41,465 --> 00:23:43,125 Mm-Hmm. . Um, she had politicians. 578 00:23:43,345 --> 00:23:45,300 She just had wealthy people in New York 579 00:23:45,305 --> 00:23:46,485 on her clientele list. 580 00:23:46,485 --> 00:23:49,405 Yeah. Um, and she had a clientele address book. 581 00:23:49,805 --> 00:23:51,805 'cause I don't know what people do now. 582 00:23:51,925 --> 00:23:53,365 I don't know anything about being a pro predom 583 00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:55,045 and would not even try to insert myself in 584 00:23:55,045 --> 00:23:57,125 that conversation, but I am not surprised 585 00:23:57,755 --> 00:24:00,485 that all those years ago it was a physical write it 586 00:24:00,485 --> 00:24:01,565 down book, obviously. 587 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:02,605 - Right. That's what they, you know, the little, that's 588 00:24:02,605 --> 00:24:04,085 what they used the little black book, you know 589 00:24:04,085 --> 00:24:05,085 - That. 590 00:24:05,085 --> 00:24:06,805 Yeah. So apparently a page from her address 591 00:24:06,805 --> 00:24:07,965 book had been ripped out. 592 00:24:08,105 --> 00:24:09,925 Mm-Hmm. . So it was figured 593 00:24:10,145 --> 00:24:11,325 by the investigators or whatever 594 00:24:11,325 --> 00:24:13,165 that the killer was probably a client 595 00:24:13,665 --> 00:24:14,685 in those missing pages. 596 00:24:14,755 --> 00:24:19,645 Yeah. Um, now they, the article from the Toronto Sun 597 00:24:20,155 --> 00:24:23,165 clearly pulled from like, old articles or whatever. 598 00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:27,405 Um, but, um, one of her clients that anonymously, 599 00:24:27,485 --> 00:24:30,125 I guess went on the record, said that, um, 600 00:24:30,155 --> 00:24:34,325 over time she became a lot more lax about security, um, 601 00:24:34,635 --> 00:24:36,285 just letting anyone into her apartment. 602 00:24:36,865 --> 00:24:40,605 Um, and the supposition from people who knew her was 603 00:24:40,805 --> 00:24:42,805 that it was due to a cocaine relapse 604 00:24:43,075 --> 00:24:44,525 that she was suffering with. 605 00:24:45,185 --> 00:24:46,685 Um, one 606 00:24:46,685 --> 00:24:49,245 of the potential suspects was a sportscaster 607 00:24:49,245 --> 00:24:50,485 named Marv Albert. 608 00:24:50,945 --> 00:24:52,285 That's not a name I know. Mm-Hmm. 609 00:24:52,325 --> 00:24:54,565 , but I don't do sport ball. Um, who, uh, 610 00:24:54,585 --> 00:24:56,765 it was so well known, I guess in the late nineties, 611 00:24:57,425 --> 00:25:00,365 got interviewed by Barbara Walters. 612 00:25:00,745 --> 00:25:02,365 Wow. And if you don't know that name, 613 00:25:02,505 --> 00:25:03,645 you're younger than I thought. 614 00:25:03,645 --> 00:25:05,405 Mm-Hmm. , I think most of us know that name. 615 00:25:05,865 --> 00:25:07,925 Um, he, in, in the interview, 616 00:25:08,185 --> 00:25:09,765 she apparently asked him about this. 617 00:25:09,905 --> 00:25:11,405 He denied that he was into kink, 618 00:25:11,945 --> 00:25:15,565 but his girlfriend said that she met Nadia, 619 00:25:16,185 --> 00:25:17,205 the woman who was murdered. 620 00:25:17,395 --> 00:25:20,925 Yeah. Uh, while he was trying to plan a threesome for the, 621 00:25:21,145 --> 00:25:23,045 for the three of them to engage in. 622 00:25:23,385 --> 00:25:25,645 Wow. So. Hmm. 623 00:25:26,385 --> 00:25:29,405 Um, the murder is still unsolved even all these years later. 624 00:25:29,985 --> 00:25:34,525 Um, according to the article, the, uh, her Nadia's daughter, 625 00:25:35,145 --> 00:25:37,685 um, does not live in New York. 626 00:25:37,685 --> 00:25:39,205 She moved several states away. Mm-Hmm. . 627 00:25:39,305 --> 00:25:40,685 Um, I have no idea. 628 00:25:40,845 --> 00:25:42,365 I was not gonna even try and track it down. 629 00:25:42,475 --> 00:25:45,125 None of my damn business is she still pro dom? I don't know. 630 00:25:45,435 --> 00:25:46,445 None of my fucking business. 631 00:25:46,665 --> 00:25:51,285 Um, the heartbreak of finding anybody, 632 00:25:51,345 --> 00:25:52,925 but certainly your own mother. Mother. 633 00:25:52,955 --> 00:25:55,085 - Yeah. - Yeah. 634 00:25:55,235 --> 00:25:56,805 - That, that's gotta be tough. Yeah. 635 00:25:56,915 --> 00:25:58,205 - That has got be tough. 636 00:25:58,205 --> 00:25:59,765 That would fuck me up for the rest of my life. Yeah. 637 00:26:00,625 --> 00:26:03,805 Um, so yeah, this is an unsolved case. Mm-Hmm. 638 00:26:03,845 --> 00:26:05,405 , um, the article I read, 639 00:26:05,845 --> 00:26:08,405 I did get the impression that they pulled from previous, 640 00:26:08,435 --> 00:26:12,645 like, reportings, but also, um, 641 00:26:14,915 --> 00:26:18,485 that, um, what am I trying to say? 642 00:26:19,075 --> 00:26:22,165 That the people writing it were just sensationalizing thing. 643 00:26:22,165 --> 00:26:25,005 Yeah. Her apartment was her layer. Mm-Hmm. . 644 00:26:25,005 --> 00:26:28,285 Yeah. Um, you know, heavy use of the term dominatrix, 645 00:26:28,285 --> 00:26:29,965 which is a term that's used, 646 00:26:30,245 --> 00:26:31,845 I believe it's slightly outdated. 647 00:26:31,905 --> 00:26:33,845 The, the term I see most often is pro dom. 648 00:26:34,045 --> 00:26:36,365 I could also understand why somebody might not use the term 649 00:26:36,465 --> 00:26:40,285 pro dom, because that sort of clearly implies that this is, 650 00:26:40,345 --> 00:26:41,965 uh, work and Yeah. 651 00:26:42,715 --> 00:26:44,645 Most, most publications would not. Mm-Hmm. 652 00:26:44,685 --> 00:26:46,285 want to talk about that. Um, 653 00:26:46,985 --> 00:26:48,885 and as somebody po as Andre pointed out, yes, 654 00:26:49,445 --> 00:26:51,045 planning a threesome does not mean you're into kink, 655 00:26:51,045 --> 00:26:52,365 but it does mean that he knew her. 656 00:26:52,535 --> 00:26:54,365 Right. So, and that was another thing I think he 657 00:26:54,425 --> 00:26:55,765 denied was even knowing her. 658 00:26:55,765 --> 00:26:58,005 Mm-Hmm. . Um, so, 659 00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:02,845 um, yeah. 660 00:27:02,865 --> 00:27:05,885 The, the story itself was heartbreaking to me. 661 00:27:06,585 --> 00:27:09,725 Um, especially the more they kind of talked about how 662 00:27:11,105 --> 00:27:13,845 she stopped following her own security measures. 663 00:27:13,845 --> 00:27:15,365 Mm-Hmm. , one of the quotes in the article, 664 00:27:15,445 --> 00:27:17,765 I think was like, if you called her to say you wanted 665 00:27:17,765 --> 00:27:20,125 to see her, she just let you up, like into her apartment. 666 00:27:20,155 --> 00:27:22,325 Like whatever her protocols had been 667 00:27:22,455 --> 00:27:24,005 prior to a certain point. 668 00:27:24,005 --> 00:27:27,245 Mm-Hmm. , she just stopped. And, um, 669 00:27:27,765 --> 00:27:29,685 - I mean, that, that could be possibly, 670 00:27:29,705 --> 00:27:32,925 and I'm, you know, just guessing on something like this at, 671 00:27:32,945 --> 00:27:35,965 at this point, you know, um, she may have been, 672 00:27:36,545 --> 00:27:38,885 she had a specific clientele Mm-Hmm. 673 00:27:38,925 --> 00:27:41,605 . And she became comfortable Yeah. Yeah. 674 00:27:41,605 --> 00:27:42,685 With that clientele. 675 00:27:42,955 --> 00:27:45,485 - Yeah. And I, it's hard, you know, it's hard to know. 676 00:27:45,685 --> 00:27:47,885 'cause I, I recognize I'm reading a sensationalist story. 677 00:27:47,885 --> 00:27:50,165 Mm-Hmm. . So they're gonna point out like 678 00:27:50,905 --> 00:27:54,565 in the most just, uh, kind of way all of the, 679 00:27:54,745 --> 00:27:56,045 the dirty little secrets. 680 00:27:56,185 --> 00:27:57,965 So you have, you know, I'm reading it kind of going, 681 00:27:58,385 --> 00:27:59,605 how much of this is accurate? 682 00:27:59,665 --> 00:28:03,085 How much of this is conjecture? How much of it was Yeah. 683 00:28:03,105 --> 00:28:06,165 The, yeah. Her clientele were the rich and powerful. 684 00:28:06,705 --> 00:28:09,605 But, and I'm not a conspiracy theory kind of person, 685 00:28:09,705 --> 00:28:12,885 but I am a, I believe that people can be shit at their jobs. 686 00:28:13,505 --> 00:28:15,725 Um, Mm-Hmm. . And, you know, 687 00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:18,565 did the police actually care enough to dig that deep? 688 00:28:19,435 --> 00:28:22,805 Because I think in the article it even said like, um, 689 00:28:22,805 --> 00:28:24,085 people in the police force, 690 00:28:24,085 --> 00:28:26,405 like high up in the police force were also lawyers. 691 00:28:26,515 --> 00:28:29,525 Like all kinds of people were in her, you know, her book. 692 00:28:30,185 --> 00:28:33,325 Um, and so it's like, well, we're, you know, 693 00:28:34,525 --> 00:28:38,205 I think I belie, I chose to think maybe the, 694 00:28:38,205 --> 00:28:41,605 the Drug addiction relapse was, um, accurate. 695 00:28:41,925 --> 00:28:42,965 I have to go back to the article. 696 00:28:43,045 --> 00:28:44,525 I think there were a couple people who got quoted. 697 00:28:44,525 --> 00:28:46,605 So I went, okay, maybe that's true. 698 00:28:47,185 --> 00:28:49,905 Um, but yeah. 699 00:28:50,245 --> 00:28:52,385 But it was like 90 and the headlines, 700 00:28:52,495 --> 00:28:54,305 they showed a picture in the story. 701 00:28:54,305 --> 00:28:55,505 If you click the link, you'll see it. 702 00:28:55,605 --> 00:28:57,505 Of what, like the headline of the front page 703 00:28:57,505 --> 00:28:59,105 or whatever of a, an outlet. 704 00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:00,985 Mm-Hmm. . And it was like, it was 705 00:29:01,175 --> 00:29:02,505 pure sensationalism. 706 00:29:02,845 --> 00:29:05,905 And apparently by like 98 story disappeared. 707 00:29:05,905 --> 00:29:07,625 Like, there, if anything was happening with it, 708 00:29:07,815 --> 00:29:09,385 nothing was being publicized. 709 00:29:10,085 --> 00:29:14,385 Um, but yeah, I think the thing that struck me sad story, 710 00:29:14,445 --> 00:29:18,065 but also just the way everything was described in the 711 00:29:18,065 --> 00:29:20,945 telling of it for the, for the outlet that did the article, 712 00:29:20,965 --> 00:29:24,865 it was like, why do I feel slimy and dirty 713 00:29:25,035 --> 00:29:28,865 after having read your words about this? 714 00:29:28,975 --> 00:29:31,425 Yeah. Like, um, 715 00:29:31,905 --> 00:29:33,825 I don't think you should be allowed to talk about kinky things. 716 00:29:34,025 --> 00:29:34,865 'cause I don't think, I don't think 717 00:29:34,865 --> 00:29:35,625 you're doing it quite right. 718 00:29:36,325 --> 00:29:39,225 Um, I don't have a lot to say about it. No. 719 00:29:39,225 --> 00:29:40,545 It, other than just to share that 720 00:29:40,545 --> 00:29:42,525 that is definitely a thing that happened. 721 00:29:42,625 --> 00:29:45,885 And it's very sad. Yeah. And it is unsolved. 722 00:29:46,145 --> 00:29:51,125 And, um, you know, there's, 723 00:29:51,125 --> 00:29:52,605 there's no way to know for sure what 724 00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:53,925 - Actually happened, what, what really happened. 725 00:29:53,965 --> 00:29:55,325 I, I mean, all these years and it's 726 00:29:55,325 --> 00:29:56,805 that it's still a cold case. Yeah. 727 00:29:57,165 --> 00:30:00,005 - I find it fascinating in a way that has nothing to do 728 00:30:00,275 --> 00:30:03,285 with the, the case itself that mother 729 00:30:03,305 --> 00:30:04,645 and daughter were in the same career. 730 00:30:04,645 --> 00:30:05,845 Mm-Hmm. . I know that that happens. 731 00:30:05,995 --> 00:30:07,885 Like we've talked about people that, you know, 732 00:30:07,945 --> 00:30:10,445 and we know where, you know, parent 733 00:30:10,545 --> 00:30:13,005 and child are both kinky and like Mm-Hmm. 734 00:30:13,045 --> 00:30:15,005 , once the child is a legal adult, 735 00:30:15,005 --> 00:30:17,525 the parent like, introduces them to the lifestyle and stuff. 736 00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:18,645 Yeah. But, you know, 737 00:30:18,665 --> 00:30:22,125 and I don't doubt for, for even an instant 738 00:30:22,125 --> 00:30:25,765 that there are absolutely parent child, you know, parents 739 00:30:25,825 --> 00:30:29,205 and children as adults who are doing the same career, 740 00:30:29,205 --> 00:30:31,525 whether that's sex work or something else, obviously. 741 00:30:31,985 --> 00:30:35,285 Um, but like, that was a little detail. 742 00:30:35,285 --> 00:30:38,005 Like, I don't know what the purpose of the detail was 743 00:30:38,005 --> 00:30:40,685 to share, but I was like, that is so cool. 744 00:30:40,795 --> 00:30:43,165 Yeah. I was like, that's the story. 745 00:30:43,655 --> 00:30:47,765 Movie, TV show, whatever I want to consume. 746 00:30:48,045 --> 00:30:49,765 I wanna know about the mother daughter dynamic 747 00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:52,845 of being in New York together and both being pro Doms. 748 00:30:52,845 --> 00:30:55,845 And what, give me that Netflix show please. And thank you. 749 00:30:56,225 --> 00:30:57,845 That's what I wanna see. What was that like? 750 00:30:58,955 --> 00:31:01,325 What was that like? Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. 751 00:31:01,365 --> 00:31:03,965 . Yep. Yep. Um, I'd have to go back. 752 00:31:04,005 --> 00:31:07,725 I think she was, um, an older woman, like, you know, 753 00:31:08,545 --> 00:31:10,045 her daughter was legal adult to do it too. 754 00:31:10,065 --> 00:31:11,845 So she was an older woman part. 755 00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:14,685 Apparently, if I remember the article correctly, like part 756 00:31:14,685 --> 00:31:16,645 of her selling point was she was like European 757 00:31:16,785 --> 00:31:20,365 and like some, there was, oh, now I wanna find it. 758 00:31:20,385 --> 00:31:21,925 I'm, I'm not gonna do that in the middle of the stream. 759 00:31:21,925 --> 00:31:24,925 But there's a little line in there about something about not 760 00:31:24,925 --> 00:31:27,045 her exoticness air quote that, 761 00:31:27,205 --> 00:31:28,205 'cause that can be a loaded term. 762 00:31:28,205 --> 00:31:30,525 Mm-Hmm. when we talk about people from other 763 00:31:30,525 --> 00:31:31,685 cultures or other races. 764 00:31:31,885 --> 00:31:35,405 And French is not another race, you know what I mean? 765 00:31:35,405 --> 00:31:36,845 But it's like, I don't like to use that word. 766 00:31:36,845 --> 00:31:37,885 Makes me feel yucky. Yeah. 767 00:31:37,885 --> 00:31:39,045 I don't wanna call anybody exotic. 768 00:31:39,545 --> 00:31:41,885 Um, but there was something that was like, she, 769 00:31:42,005 --> 00:31:43,165 I think is a marketing thing. 770 00:31:43,195 --> 00:31:45,565 Used the fact that maybe it was just she was European, 771 00:31:45,625 --> 00:31:47,165 but like, that was a selling point. 772 00:31:47,165 --> 00:31:49,165 You were gonna get a different kind of dom 773 00:31:49,395 --> 00:31:51,605 because she was, she was French. 774 00:31:52,305 --> 00:31:55,285 Um, and again, that's the story I wanna read. 775 00:31:55,515 --> 00:32:00,045 Tell me about her life in that work. 776 00:32:00,345 --> 00:32:02,725 It might have a tragic ending. I get that. Yeah. Yeah. 777 00:32:02,825 --> 00:32:05,005 But tell me about her fucking life and what she did for work 778 00:32:05,005 --> 00:32:06,525 and how she worked herself and Yeah. 779 00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:08,765 I mean, let's have some conjecture about her clients 780 00:32:08,905 --> 00:32:11,085 and, Hey, somebody got the ba the book 781 00:32:11,175 --> 00:32:12,245 minus the missing pages. 782 00:32:12,245 --> 00:32:13,925 Mm-Hmm. . Tell me about the clients. Right. 783 00:32:14,035 --> 00:32:16,525 Like that, that's the Netflix show I wanna watch. 784 00:32:16,775 --> 00:32:17,765 - There you go. Mm-Hmm. 785 00:32:17,805 --> 00:32:18,605 . Yeah. Mm-Hmm. . 786 00:32:18,625 --> 00:32:19,805 - Mm-Hmm. . That 787 00:32:19,805 --> 00:32:20,925 would be endlessly fascinating. 788 00:32:20,925 --> 00:32:22,525 Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. . Okay. 789 00:32:22,625 --> 00:32:27,565 For anybody who avoided this one, I'm, you're gonna, 790 00:32:27,625 --> 00:32:29,805 I'm gonna wave at the camera and there's gonna be timestamps 791 00:32:29,805 --> 00:32:30,965 and I'm, this is me going. 792 00:32:30,965 --> 00:32:32,485 Okay. We're moving on to the next one, 793 00:32:32,805 --> 00:32:33,805 - . 794 00:32:34,065 --> 00:32:38,045 - Uh, which is maddening, 795 00:32:38,065 --> 00:32:39,685 but I don't, I don't think it's 796 00:32:39,685 --> 00:32:40,765 one anybody would wanna avoid. 797 00:32:41,595 --> 00:32:43,685 It's also, okay. 798 00:32:44,345 --> 00:32:45,685 So the headline was, 799 00:32:46,425 --> 00:32:50,405 Rhodes College cancels A-B-D-S-M 1 0 1 event 800 00:32:50,915 --> 00:32:54,445 scheduled by the campus Chaplain . 801 00:32:54,755 --> 00:32:56,405 Wait, what? Okay. 802 00:32:56,565 --> 00:32:59,485 I know, but the first time I read the headline, I went, who, 803 00:32:59,905 --> 00:33:01,045 who scheduled what now? 804 00:33:01,075 --> 00:33:02,445 Yeah. Let's get into it. 805 00:33:02,445 --> 00:33:03,805 And there's not much for me to get into. 806 00:33:03,805 --> 00:33:04,885 And I'll tell you why about that too. 807 00:33:05,185 --> 00:33:06,645 So the article was published, 808 00:33:06,645 --> 00:33:09,325 the article I found was published November 17th on a news 809 00:33:09,325 --> 00:33:11,925 station website, A BC 15 news. 810 00:33:12,245 --> 00:33:15,285 WPDE, how, I can't remember 811 00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:17,845 where Rhodes is out of Tennessee. 812 00:33:17,845 --> 00:33:18,965 Is it North Carolina? Somebody 813 00:33:18,965 --> 00:33:20,005 who knows about Rhodes College? 814 00:33:20,465 --> 00:33:21,685 Um, you can chime in. 815 00:33:21,865 --> 00:33:26,605 Uh, the campus chaplain is Beatrix, we Whale Weil wheel. 816 00:33:26,725 --> 00:33:28,845 I don't know how to say her last name. WEIL. 817 00:33:29,215 --> 00:33:30,325 She's the one that planned the event. 818 00:33:30,865 --> 00:33:33,885 Uh, the schools, uh, notice, 819 00:33:33,955 --> 00:33:37,285 like their official statement on why it was canceled is 820 00:33:37,285 --> 00:33:39,445 because scheduling the event didn't go 821 00:33:39,445 --> 00:33:40,965 through proper channels. 822 00:33:40,965 --> 00:33:42,485 Mm-Hmm. . Okay. Um, 823 00:33:42,825 --> 00:33:45,965 the BDSM 1 0 1 event would've allowed attendees to, 824 00:33:46,115 --> 00:33:49,205 they would learn about some basics of BDSM consent, 825 00:33:49,205 --> 00:33:52,165 safe words, um, safety practices, blah, blah, blah. 826 00:33:52,385 --> 00:33:55,285 It also would have allowed them to 827 00:33:55,995 --> 00:33:59,125 anonymously ask questions to the article quotes 828 00:33:59,145 --> 00:34:03,845 as a dominatrix, but then defines just dominance. 829 00:34:04,075 --> 00:34:05,565 Doesn't talk about professional. 830 00:34:05,825 --> 00:34:09,405 So I don't know if the article misused the term dominatrix 831 00:34:09,425 --> 00:34:13,485 or mis, uh, defined the term they used. 832 00:34:13,725 --> 00:34:14,845 I don't know which. But basically 833 00:34:14,885 --> 00:34:15,925 a dominant was gonna be there. 834 00:34:15,945 --> 00:34:17,845 Mm-Hmm. and would, would answer their 835 00:34:17,845 --> 00:34:18,925 anonymous questions for them. 836 00:34:19,985 --> 00:34:22,085 Um, and here's the thing. 837 00:34:22,085 --> 00:34:24,165 That's why I included just this story, 838 00:34:24,705 --> 00:34:27,885 and I included it here because the way I learned about this 839 00:34:28,155 --> 00:34:30,765 even happening . 840 00:34:30,905 --> 00:34:33,205 So I get Google alerts for certain like terms, 841 00:34:33,625 --> 00:34:35,165 and that's how I can find news stories 842 00:34:35,225 --> 00:34:38,365 to put into the newsletter ta uh, 843 00:34:38,365 --> 00:34:40,005 inside baseball, um, . 844 00:34:40,265 --> 00:34:44,005 And I'm seeing these headlines in my Google my email, 845 00:34:44,465 --> 00:34:49,005 and it's all like, clearly right wing, like super, super, 846 00:34:49,015 --> 00:34:51,205 super conservative outlets. 847 00:34:51,345 --> 00:34:52,445 And the headlines 848 00:34:52,445 --> 00:34:55,005 and the synopsis are like total pearl clutching. 849 00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:58,165 Like, oh my God, the youth of today are going to be forced 850 00:34:58,185 --> 00:35:00,085 to do BDSM or some bullshit like that. 851 00:35:00,095 --> 00:35:03,005 Right? Yeah. And I went, well, something's happening here, 852 00:35:03,305 --> 00:35:04,965 but I'm not gonna use them as a source. 853 00:35:04,965 --> 00:35:06,205 Mm-Hmm. . So I had to go do a search, 854 00:35:07,425 --> 00:35:10,725 and I finally found what felt like the least 855 00:35:11,745 --> 00:35:12,965 biased of anything. 856 00:35:12,965 --> 00:35:16,045 It was a, a news outlet that's like, you know, 857 00:35:16,275 --> 00:35:17,445 your local news station. 858 00:35:17,585 --> 00:35:20,765 And the, the article was, it wasn't fully neutral. 859 00:35:21,005 --> 00:35:24,085 'cause the only quote they got from a student was somebody 860 00:35:24,085 --> 00:35:26,525 who was against the event occurring at all. 861 00:35:27,385 --> 00:35:29,605 But apparently the event had been up just long enough 862 00:35:29,605 --> 00:35:32,325 that there had been people who weren't going to attend. 863 00:35:32,465 --> 00:35:34,605 Mm-Hmm. . So clearly there were people 864 00:35:34,705 --> 00:35:36,165 who were in support of the event, 865 00:35:36,825 --> 00:35:39,085 but also you understand why they wouldn't wanna be quoted 866 00:35:39,085 --> 00:35:40,485 because then they're attached to kink. 867 00:35:40,625 --> 00:35:42,645 And that can, that can be a thing. Right? Right. 868 00:35:42,645 --> 00:35:45,885 That can be a negative thing. Um, when I went back to prep 869 00:35:45,945 --> 00:35:48,725 for this episode to talk, to get more details, 870 00:35:48,745 --> 00:35:49,965 to see if there were more details, 871 00:35:50,505 --> 00:35:52,805 the only things I could find in quick Google searches, 872 00:35:52,835 --> 00:35:55,205 like first couple pages of Google was 873 00:35:55,745 --> 00:35:58,005 all super conservative Pearl Clutchy things, 874 00:35:58,465 --> 00:36:00,525 and then one opinion piece 875 00:36:00,525 --> 00:36:02,365 that was in support of the idea of it. 876 00:36:02,585 --> 00:36:04,405 And I didn't know that person from a hole in the ground. 877 00:36:04,405 --> 00:36:05,525 So I was like, I don't know if they're credible, 878 00:36:05,745 --> 00:36:07,285 but it's nice to see a supportive article. 879 00:36:07,705 --> 00:36:11,005 And then an article actually on Perez Hilton's website 880 00:36:11,415 --> 00:36:12,685 supportive of the event 881 00:36:12,945 --> 00:36:16,645 and pointing out that the only reason this became a thing 882 00:36:17,585 --> 00:36:20,885 was because, um, far right. 883 00:36:21,305 --> 00:36:25,005 People got a hold of the story, blew it up outta proportion, 884 00:36:25,035 --> 00:36:26,165 made it a huge deal. 885 00:36:26,425 --> 00:36:28,765 And apparently it kind of went up the pipeline 886 00:36:28,785 --> 00:36:31,365 of like small sites that not of a lot of people know about 887 00:36:31,365 --> 00:36:32,605 to larger, larger, 888 00:36:33,045 --> 00:36:34,885 I don't know if it made it all the way to Fox News. 889 00:36:35,005 --> 00:36:36,525 I didn't go look at that . 890 00:36:36,865 --> 00:36:40,565 Um, and so just kept being blown out proportion. Yeah. 891 00:36:40,785 --> 00:36:42,525 And you know, anybody who thinks all 892 00:36:42,525 --> 00:36:45,165 of us kinky people are degenerates who should not be allowed 893 00:36:45,165 --> 00:36:47,725 to like, walk around freely, we're just, 894 00:36:47,905 --> 00:36:49,365 oh my God, what is happening? 895 00:36:49,755 --> 00:36:52,605 Yeah. Um, and I, you know, salacious detail, 896 00:36:52,605 --> 00:36:54,525 that's not something that you would think a 897 00:36:54,645 --> 00:36:55,805 chaplain would organize. 898 00:36:55,855 --> 00:36:57,085 Right. But also, 899 00:36:57,305 --> 00:37:02,005 and this was a detail in one of the super biased articles 900 00:37:02,005 --> 00:37:04,965 that apparently was supposed to like, make us mad at her. 901 00:37:05,345 --> 00:37:09,365 Oh, well this chaplain on their like Instagram page clearly, 902 00:37:09,745 --> 00:37:13,285 um, supports LGBTQ plus people. 903 00:37:13,385 --> 00:37:15,725 And I was like, that's not an indictment. That's 904 00:37:15,725 --> 00:37:16,725 - Yeah. 905 00:37:16,725 --> 00:37:18,645 - Very encouraging - , right? Yeah. Thank you 906 00:37:18,825 --> 00:37:19,825 - So much. 907 00:37:19,825 --> 00:37:21,325 Yeah. To this person who Mm-Hmm. 908 00:37:21,365 --> 00:37:23,365 hopefully still has their job. 909 00:37:23,685 --> 00:37:26,205 I couldn't Right. It, the, the noise about 910 00:37:26,205 --> 00:37:28,725 that I could find online when I tried to do a search was 911 00:37:28,865 --> 00:37:30,525 so biased that I was like, 912 00:37:30,565 --> 00:37:32,005 I don't even know what's real or not. 913 00:37:32,595 --> 00:37:34,365 Yeah. Um, to my knowledge, 914 00:37:34,505 --> 00:37:37,485 the chaplain has not made any public statements. 915 00:37:38,465 --> 00:37:42,325 Um, the college there, that was kind of their end of, okay, 916 00:37:42,325 --> 00:37:45,645 we're canceling it 'cause it wasn't scheduled properly. Um, 917 00:37:46,345 --> 00:37:49,525 - So, you know, the, the, the one thing that's been running 918 00:37:49,525 --> 00:37:51,765 through my mind, uhhuh all this time is 919 00:37:53,905 --> 00:37:56,165 so you're claiming it wasn't scheduled properly. 920 00:37:56,225 --> 00:37:57,645 If it was scheduled 921 00:37:58,125 --> 00:37:59,125 - Properly, you would've - Allowed it. 922 00:37:59,125 --> 00:38:00,725 Would you, would you have allowed it? Right. 923 00:38:00,725 --> 00:38:03,085 - Exactly. Exactly. - Yeah. 924 00:38:03,985 --> 00:38:07,885 - Yep. - Yep. You know, um, I I think it, it's, 925 00:38:08,195 --> 00:38:11,725 it's marvelous that somebody wanted to, 926 00:38:13,025 --> 00:38:15,925 um, put something like this together. 927 00:38:16,225 --> 00:38:18,725 Yes. You know, especially at a college level. 928 00:38:19,185 --> 00:38:22,405 Um, you know, this, this kind of goes into the whole thing 929 00:38:22,465 --> 00:38:27,045 of, you know, let's face it, in, in, in 930 00:38:27,655 --> 00:38:29,885 grade school years, um, 931 00:38:31,395 --> 00:38:33,285 kids don't get any kind of sex education. 932 00:38:33,705 --> 00:38:38,045 No. Okay. And, you know, the, the BDSM 933 00:38:38,585 --> 00:38:40,565 aspect of it falls into the same thing. 934 00:38:40,695 --> 00:38:43,965 Right. Okay. You know, one, it's not age appropriate. Right. 935 00:38:43,965 --> 00:38:45,525 Right. Technically for, technically for college, college 936 00:38:45,525 --> 00:38:46,765 - Campus is perfect. But yeah. For 937 00:38:46,765 --> 00:38:48,525 - College, ca college campus is perfect. 938 00:38:49,225 --> 00:38:52,725 And, and by that point, doing a one-on-one Mm-Hmm. 939 00:38:52,765 --> 00:38:54,285 amazing. Right. 'cause 940 00:38:54,285 --> 00:38:56,325 - There's so many general things you can learn, 941 00:38:56,325 --> 00:38:57,765 even if you're not kinky Mm-Hmm. 942 00:38:57,805 --> 00:39:01,805 that can benefit all of your physical, sexual, 943 00:39:03,125 --> 00:39:04,645 whatever relationships going forward. 944 00:39:04,775 --> 00:39:06,005 - Right. Yeah. You know, 945 00:39:06,185 --> 00:39:09,525 and to be honest, you know, you look online, 946 00:39:11,465 --> 00:39:13,725 yes, there are, there's a myriad of 947 00:39:13,865 --> 00:39:15,685 of resources out there anymore. 948 00:39:16,185 --> 00:39:20,325 You know, our podcast Pink King, you know, all 949 00:39:20,325 --> 00:39:22,205 of them geek geeks freaks and kinks. 950 00:39:22,205 --> 00:39:24,165 Right. You know, there, there's so many of 'em 951 00:39:24,165 --> 00:39:25,245 that give good 952 00:39:26,395 --> 00:39:27,395 - Information. 953 00:39:27,395 --> 00:39:28,205 - Information. Right. 954 00:39:28,905 --> 00:39:31,525 And yet on the downside, there's plenty 955 00:39:31,715 --> 00:39:33,365 that does not give good. 956 00:39:33,525 --> 00:39:34,565 I mean Yes. Exists information, 957 00:39:34,635 --> 00:39:36,045 just like anything else exists does exist. 958 00:39:36,045 --> 00:39:39,765 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So for them to, you know, 959 00:39:39,905 --> 00:39:41,725 put something like this on Mm-Hmm. 960 00:39:41,765 --> 00:39:43,805 , you know, to, to give people a base 961 00:39:43,805 --> 00:39:46,485 understanding of, of what this is and how it operates 962 00:39:46,625 --> 00:39:47,845 and how it should operate and 963 00:39:47,845 --> 00:39:49,685 how it should operate, you know? 964 00:39:49,915 --> 00:39:54,205 Fantastic. Um, you know, rah rah brought up in, in the chat, 965 00:39:54,265 --> 00:39:56,485 and I I agree completely with the line of thing. 966 00:39:56,525 --> 00:39:59,765 I was thinking the same thing. You know, non kinky people 967 00:40:00,375 --> 00:40:01,725 could benefit Yes, absolutely. 968 00:40:01,725 --> 00:40:04,365 From, from this, because there, there is a lot of, of 969 00:40:04,365 --> 00:40:09,005 what is done in the BDSM world that could work in, 970 00:40:09,025 --> 00:40:10,805 in vanilla, in, you know, non-kin. 971 00:40:10,945 --> 00:40:13,925 - And here's the thing, let's be real if more people 972 00:40:14,945 --> 00:40:16,205 as adults, okay. 973 00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:17,285 College level Mm-Hmm. 974 00:40:17,325 --> 00:40:18,765 and up got access 975 00:40:18,945 --> 00:40:22,445 to just in general decent basic BDSM information 976 00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:25,285 and how things are supposed to operate within that. 977 00:40:26,135 --> 00:40:30,165 Maybe it wouldn't be 68% of women report 978 00:40:31,185 --> 00:40:34,485 non-consensual activity after they've negotiated something. 979 00:40:34,935 --> 00:40:36,365 Maybe, maybe not. 980 00:40:36,525 --> 00:40:38,325 I mean, 'cause you can't, you can't prevent 981 00:40:38,325 --> 00:40:39,325 what somebody else is gonna do. 982 00:40:39,325 --> 00:40:40,445 They're gonna do what they're gonna do. Right. 983 00:40:40,545 --> 00:40:43,965 But maybe if somebody is better informed, then they 984 00:40:44,935 --> 00:40:47,885 might be able to go, you're giving me a funny feeling. 985 00:40:47,985 --> 00:40:49,245 No, thank you. Right. Or, Hmm. 986 00:40:49,565 --> 00:40:51,445 I don't, you're just saying you think you're saying the 987 00:40:51,445 --> 00:40:53,765 right words, but you're not, and they could 988 00:40:54,275 --> 00:40:56,605 have a better chance of steering clear 989 00:40:56,665 --> 00:40:57,885 of the people who would do something like that. 990 00:40:57,885 --> 00:41:01,285 Right. Like . 991 00:41:02,745 --> 00:41:06,525 And what drives me crazy is the only thing I can find about 992 00:41:06,525 --> 00:41:07,725 it is the inflammatory. 993 00:41:08,745 --> 00:41:12,685 How dare this person corrupt today's youth bullshit. Mm-Hmm. 994 00:41:12,725 --> 00:41:14,525 , you know, the college campus is no 995 00:41:14,525 --> 00:41:15,605 place for BDSM. 996 00:41:15,605 --> 00:41:16,685 Really? Because I promise you, 997 00:41:16,685 --> 00:41:19,445 college students are getting freaky in dorm rooms. 998 00:41:20,325 --> 00:41:22,805 - . And, and I, I, I would absolutely are. 999 00:41:23,005 --> 00:41:25,485 I would almost guarantee you there is a lot 1000 00:41:25,485 --> 00:41:26,725 worse things going on. 1001 00:41:26,725 --> 00:41:27,925 Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. . Okay. 1002 00:41:28,865 --> 00:41:33,085 You know, um, I, I was in, 1003 00:41:33,225 --> 00:41:37,365 in one hand shocked, but not, but then 1004 00:41:37,365 --> 00:41:42,005 after I thought about it, um, you know, when, 1005 00:41:42,035 --> 00:41:44,725 when we were at college 1006 00:41:46,535 --> 00:41:47,995 and we were walking to an event 1007 00:41:47,995 --> 00:41:51,395 and there was some construction going on there and, 1008 00:41:51,415 --> 00:41:55,115 and along the fence that where they had it fenced off, 1009 00:41:55,485 --> 00:41:58,875 there were numerous signs, if any 1010 00:42:00,905 --> 00:42:02,795 type of sexual inappropriate sexual 1011 00:42:05,755 --> 00:42:10,515 communication or or assault occurs on these sites on this 1012 00:42:10,515 --> 00:42:12,875 site from anybody working 1013 00:42:12,945 --> 00:42:15,875 here, report it. 1014 00:42:15,875 --> 00:42:17,675 Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. , you know, and, 1015 00:42:17,695 --> 00:42:20,355 and there were numerous signs all along this fence. 1016 00:42:20,575 --> 00:42:23,915 You know, they wouldn't be posting something like that. No. 1017 00:42:24,135 --> 00:42:27,195 Unless there was a need to do it, which is fricking sad, 1018 00:42:27,615 --> 00:42:28,995 - The fact that, but you know what? 1019 00:42:29,095 --> 00:42:31,075 It, it just goes to show how bad things are 1020 00:42:31,075 --> 00:42:33,955 that I'm more impressed that they posted the signs at all. 1021 00:42:34,025 --> 00:42:36,355 Yeah. Yeah. Um, 1022 00:42:36,455 --> 00:42:37,955 - So you know, that, that tells you 1023 00:42:37,955 --> 00:42:39,035 something. Mm-Hmm. . 1024 00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:41,795 - Mm-Hmm. this story reminded me, 1025 00:42:41,795 --> 00:42:43,435 and I don't have any links and I don't have any details, 1026 00:42:43,435 --> 00:42:45,195 so I'm not, I can't, I'm not gonna be accurate. 1027 00:42:45,215 --> 00:42:47,635 And I, my memory, I'm sure mm-Hmm. . 1028 00:42:47,815 --> 00:42:50,675 But this story about the college, uh, 1029 00:42:51,305 --> 00:42:54,515 have potentially having A-B-D-S-M 1 0 1 seminar 1030 00:42:54,615 --> 00:42:56,195 or whatever, like, it was just like an evening. 1031 00:42:56,375 --> 00:42:58,875 It wasn't even like a, you know, one-on-one level class. 1032 00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:01,275 Although there are some colleges, I've seen those headlines 1033 00:43:01,275 --> 00:43:05,035 where people are like putting together classes that 1034 00:43:06,195 --> 00:43:07,395 I always read them as kind 1035 00:43:07,395 --> 00:43:09,795 of like a college kid sex ed class, 1036 00:43:09,895 --> 00:43:11,035 and they've got kink in it. 1037 00:43:11,135 --> 00:43:12,395 And those are fascinating to me. 1038 00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:13,355 If you ever get to take a course 1039 00:43:13,385 --> 00:43:14,555 like that, please tell me all about it. 1040 00:43:14,755 --> 00:43:15,755 I would like to know . Right. 1041 00:43:15,935 --> 00:43:19,115 But what this story puts me in mind, the reaction 1042 00:43:19,115 --> 00:43:22,675 that I saw online puts me in mind of are headlines I saw not 1043 00:43:22,675 --> 00:43:26,395 that long ago where, and I can't remember if it was the UK 1044 00:43:26,415 --> 00:43:29,875 or the us it might've been both where, uh, people 1045 00:43:29,895 --> 00:43:32,355 who were trying to ban all the things 1046 00:43:32,355 --> 00:43:36,235 that they don't personally agree with, um, were trying 1047 00:43:36,235 --> 00:43:39,915 to convince people and like seriously saying, apparently 1048 00:43:39,915 --> 00:43:42,915 with a straight face that, um, 1049 00:43:44,325 --> 00:43:47,835 elementary in, in elementary up to like high school age, 1050 00:43:48,065 --> 00:43:52,155 that people were seriously trying to teach kids about BDSM. 1051 00:43:53,195 --> 00:43:56,315 I was like, well, no, that's not how any of that works. 1052 00:43:56,325 --> 00:44:00,795 Right. First of all, anybody in a sch at a school age level 1053 00:44:00,975 --> 00:44:03,715 who would be qualified to teach about BDSM 1054 00:44:05,245 --> 00:44:07,435 would never admit they knew about BDSM. 1055 00:44:07,515 --> 00:44:09,075 'cause that's the quickest way to lose your fucking job 1056 00:44:09,135 --> 00:44:10,915 and your pension and your benefits. 1057 00:44:10,975 --> 00:44:14,995 And every school employee we've ever come across who's kinky 1058 00:44:15,335 --> 00:44:16,835 is like, I have no name. 1059 00:44:16,915 --> 00:44:18,915 I have no face. You don't know me. Yeah. 1060 00:44:19,075 --> 00:44:21,755 I have to be the most anonymous person ever. Mm-Hmm. 1061 00:44:21,795 --> 00:44:23,475 . So it's laughable 1062 00:44:23,475 --> 00:44:27,155 that you would think a school employee would be trying to, 1063 00:44:27,675 --> 00:44:30,035 I think the word they, the inflammatory word they used was 1064 00:44:30,035 --> 00:44:31,115 indoctrinate Yeah. 1065 00:44:31,355 --> 00:44:32,445 Kids into king. 1066 00:44:32,515 --> 00:44:35,005 - They, they like throwing that word around right now. So, 1067 00:44:35,005 --> 00:44:36,005 - Yeah. 1068 00:44:36,005 --> 00:44:36,685 I'm fucking kidding me. Yeah. 1069 00:44:36,945 --> 00:44:39,605 Um, and so this just feels like, you know, 1070 00:44:40,035 --> 00:44:41,685 another part of that Mm-Hmm. 1071 00:44:41,725 --> 00:44:44,125 . And at this, this stage, I, you know, the, 1072 00:44:45,365 --> 00:44:48,125 I think the, the college had to use that bullshit excuse 1073 00:44:48,875 --> 00:44:52,805 because I think it would've been 1074 00:44:55,225 --> 00:44:59,925 for some people, a harder argument to go, this adult 1075 00:45:00,665 --> 00:45:04,125 person cannot tell other legal adults about 1076 00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:05,285 this adult thing. 1077 00:45:05,635 --> 00:45:07,925 They could absolutely say, not on our campus. I mean Mm-Hmm. 1078 00:45:08,205 --> 00:45:10,125 , you get to say that kind of stuff. Right. 1079 00:45:10,425 --> 00:45:12,005 But, you know, it's almost like they had 1080 00:45:12,005 --> 00:45:14,565 to find a bullshit reason to, to say why it's scheduled, 1081 00:45:14,635 --> 00:45:17,005 because there's something happening 1082 00:45:17,005 --> 00:45:18,365 that they don't wanna say, 1083 00:45:18,365 --> 00:45:20,445 we find this inappropriate and we won't allow it. 1084 00:45:20,915 --> 00:45:24,085 Because that, I mean, I would've disagreed with that, 1085 00:45:24,345 --> 00:45:25,925 but that would've been the easiest one. 1086 00:45:25,925 --> 00:45:27,605 Right. We're not allowing that on our campus. 1087 00:45:27,945 --> 00:45:29,805 I'd say, I think you're missing a fucking opportunity. 1088 00:45:29,805 --> 00:45:31,445 Mm-Hmm. , please reconsider. Yeah. 1089 00:45:31,625 --> 00:45:32,885 But that's not what they went with. 1090 00:45:32,885 --> 00:45:34,445 They went with a technicality 1091 00:45:34,595 --> 00:45:36,605 because they something about it, 1092 00:45:36,625 --> 00:45:39,485 the college didn't wanna say, we don't want this here. 1093 00:45:39,515 --> 00:45:43,525 - Yeah. I mean, the, the thing that, that, you know, goes 1094 00:45:43,555 --> 00:45:46,485 with me with, with this, you know, it's, it's funny. 1095 00:45:47,025 --> 00:45:51,965 Um, I, I doubt very seriously, like you say, 1096 00:45:51,995 --> 00:45:55,645 that any teacher is going to be promoting, uh, 1097 00:45:55,885 --> 00:45:58,445 BDSM at no school staff Right. 1098 00:45:58,465 --> 00:46:02,125 At any level is gonna that because especially if a teacher 1099 00:46:03,985 --> 00:46:06,965 or, or someone in that is in the lifestyle, that's 1100 00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:07,965 - My point. 1101 00:46:07,965 --> 00:46:09,725 - They, they understand, you know, these are kids, 1102 00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:11,525 they're not, they can't consent. Right. 1103 00:46:11,525 --> 00:46:14,565 - They're gonna ideally understand that they're also 1104 00:46:15,425 --> 00:46:17,205 not gonna want their name attached to it. 1105 00:46:17,205 --> 00:46:18,685 Mm-Hmm. , holy fucking shit. 1106 00:46:18,795 --> 00:46:23,005 - Exactly. Now, when you're up at a, at a college level, 1107 00:46:24,115 --> 00:46:25,045 - It's different. It, 1108 00:46:25,045 --> 00:46:26,365 - These are adults, these, 1109 00:46:26,365 --> 00:46:28,245 these are legal adults at that point, 1110 00:46:28,245 --> 00:46:29,405 - We're supposed to treat them that way. 1111 00:46:29,455 --> 00:46:32,645 - Right. So they, at that point Mm-Hmm. 1112 00:46:32,685 --> 00:46:35,085 have the ability to say, Hey, I'm kind 1113 00:46:35,085 --> 00:46:36,405 of interested in this, or, you know, no, 1114 00:46:36,405 --> 00:46:37,645 that's not for me. Right. 1115 00:46:38,095 --> 00:46:41,645 - Right. And, you know, it, it 1116 00:46:42,175 --> 00:46:45,605 would be more surprising to me had the seminar 1117 00:46:45,785 --> 00:46:49,285 or the lecture or what the event been allowed to go forward 1118 00:46:50,235 --> 00:46:52,605 once there was out foe outrage. 1119 00:46:52,605 --> 00:46:54,485 Mm-Hmm. But outrage about it, um, 1120 00:46:55,035 --> 00:46:57,965 because I just can't 1121 00:46:58,035 --> 00:47:00,325 imagine, I'm sure it exists. 1122 00:47:00,565 --> 00:47:04,405 I just can't imagine, um, a college or, 1123 00:47:04,585 --> 00:47:07,885 or hardly any institution feeling outside pressure 1124 00:47:09,105 --> 00:47:11,645 and not caving to that outside pressure. 1125 00:47:11,645 --> 00:47:14,805 Mm-Hmm. Because BDSM is seen as taboo and deviant, 1126 00:47:14,805 --> 00:47:16,325 and we're all monsters who shouldn't be 1127 00:47:16,325 --> 00:47:17,445 allowed to see the lot of day . 1128 00:47:17,445 --> 00:47:19,365 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know, we know, uh, 1129 00:47:19,375 --> 00:47:21,245 we're having more fun than everybody else, so fuck you. 1130 00:47:21,625 --> 00:47:25,605 But, um, you know, I, I just, 1131 00:47:27,225 --> 00:47:30,285 the story itself was the fact that it was a, 1132 00:47:30,385 --> 00:47:32,365 it became a story was the interesting part to me, 1133 00:47:32,365 --> 00:47:33,605 because it only became a story 1134 00:47:33,605 --> 00:47:37,845 because people got outraged tr truly they got outraged, 1135 00:47:37,865 --> 00:47:40,245 or it was just to generate clicks and views 1136 00:47:40,245 --> 00:47:41,805 and have something to fucking talk about. 1137 00:47:42,425 --> 00:47:45,205 And then that is, as of right now, 1138 00:47:45,505 --> 00:47:49,725 if you google the elements of this story, that's the most of 1139 00:47:49,725 --> 00:47:51,165 what you're, you're gonna see Yeah. 1140 00:47:51,235 --> 00:47:54,245 That you're gonna, you're gonna see people, you know, 1141 00:47:54,245 --> 00:47:55,765 talking about how deviant it all is 1142 00:47:55,765 --> 00:47:58,085 and how dare this chaplain be allowed to what? 1143 00:47:58,395 --> 00:48:01,285 Talk to legal adults about a legal adult thing. 1144 00:48:02,105 --> 00:48:04,245 But I still, like, I still give a little side eye. 1145 00:48:04,245 --> 00:48:05,765 The college could have so easily gone, 1146 00:48:05,765 --> 00:48:07,965 this is not something we find appropriate for our campus. 1147 00:48:08,015 --> 00:48:10,485 Right. And no, I don't, again, 1148 00:48:10,605 --> 00:48:12,365 I would've disagreed and wished it would've been different. 1149 00:48:12,365 --> 00:48:14,125 Mm-Hmm. and gone. Wait. You totally could, 1150 00:48:14,825 --> 00:48:16,525 but nobody would've given side eye to that, 1151 00:48:16,625 --> 00:48:18,605 but they went with the technicality. 1152 00:48:18,835 --> 00:48:22,645 Yeah. Like, it's almost like they didn't care 1153 00:48:22,875 --> 00:48:24,285 that it was going to happen. 1154 00:48:24,385 --> 00:48:29,045 Mm-Hmm. they cared that they were in the new, 1155 00:48:29,105 --> 00:48:31,565 the right wing news cycle for it. 1156 00:48:31,835 --> 00:48:35,045 - Yeah. - And I just, I don't know. 1157 00:48:35,045 --> 00:48:36,645 I find that, I find that very interesting. 1158 00:48:36,985 --> 00:48:39,845 And if anybody ever comes across like a legit good source 1159 00:48:39,915 --> 00:48:43,765 that maybe has the, the chaplain's perspective 1160 00:48:43,945 --> 00:48:46,645 or any informa, like, feel free to share 1161 00:48:46,805 --> 00:48:48,005 'cause Mm-Hmm. , I'm, I'm 1162 00:48:48,305 --> 00:48:49,005 - Be curious. Yeah. 1163 00:48:49,525 --> 00:48:51,165 - Frustrated and fascinated by this. Mm-Hmm. . 1164 00:48:51,755 --> 00:48:54,885 Okay. The last one. There's not a lot to say about it. Okay. 1165 00:48:55,045 --> 00:48:58,285 , but I got a giggle. Okay. Okay. 1166 00:48:58,285 --> 00:49:02,525 This is the headline. Two men, one wearing 1167 00:49:03,165 --> 00:49:04,165 BDSM mask. 1168 00:49:04,395 --> 00:49:08,565 Okay. What taken down by Michigan State Police arrested 1169 00:49:08,565 --> 00:49:10,005 for firing shots, hitting a house. 1170 00:49:10,065 --> 00:49:12,485 So the article that I found was published on November 28th 1171 00:49:12,785 --> 00:49:16,845 on the Wwj News Radio nine 50 webpage. 1172 00:49:17,385 --> 00:49:20,005 Um, on November 21st, police were called out 1173 00:49:20,005 --> 00:49:22,845 to a home in Northern Michigan due to gunshots being heard. 1174 00:49:23,325 --> 00:49:25,645 A trooper arrived, heard gunshots, retreated 1175 00:49:25,645 --> 00:49:28,605 to a safe distance before announcing for whoever that was 1176 00:49:28,705 --> 00:49:30,685 to drop the weapon and come out with their hands up. 1177 00:49:31,235 --> 00:49:33,925 15 minutes later, two men came out cursing and yelling, 1178 00:49:33,945 --> 00:49:35,565 and one was wearing a quote, 1179 00:49:36,565 --> 00:49:39,005 BDSM style face mask. 1180 00:49:39,865 --> 00:49:41,485 Uh, they were belligerent with officers. 1181 00:49:41,485 --> 00:49:44,405 They had to like be taken down and arrested. 1182 00:49:44,525 --> 00:49:47,445 I don't know if they're out on bail or bond, 1183 00:49:47,465 --> 00:49:49,205 but I know bond was set for both of them. 1184 00:49:49,205 --> 00:49:50,645 Mm-Hmm. , I don't, 1185 00:49:51,085 --> 00:49:52,325 I think there might've been details about 1186 00:49:52,675 --> 00:49:55,165 what was happening if they had even figured that part out. 1187 00:49:55,475 --> 00:49:56,685 Yeah. They were going to court. 1188 00:49:56,755 --> 00:49:59,925 Like, but I didn't, this none of that was, I wanna know 1189 00:50:00,155 --> 00:50:01,205 what was the 1190 00:50:01,355 --> 00:50:02,355 - Mask. 1191 00:50:02,355 --> 00:50:04,645 Right. That's, yeah. Yeah. What was the mask? What was it? 1192 00:50:04,645 --> 00:50:06,565 They're considering it A-B-D-S-M mask. 1193 00:50:06,565 --> 00:50:08,005 - Right? Like what makes it kinky? Yeah. 1194 00:50:08,085 --> 00:50:09,685 I mean, it clearly wasn't a blindfold 1195 00:50:09,685 --> 00:50:10,605 or somebody would've been like 1196 00:50:10,635 --> 00:50:11,845 batting around and not Mm-Hmm. 1197 00:50:11,885 --> 00:50:14,205 . So was it, um, was it the, 1198 00:50:14,225 --> 00:50:17,525 the leather like puppy mask thing that I've seen? 1199 00:50:17,525 --> 00:50:20,645 Yeah. Was it a hood? Like, what the fuck was it? Or 1200 00:50:20,805 --> 00:50:23,725 - A lot of people use the, uh, the gas masks too. Yeah, 1201 00:50:23,725 --> 00:50:24,725 - Yeah. 1202 00:50:24,725 --> 00:50:25,605 Yeah. But see, and you would think, okay, well they'll, 1203 00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:29,085 that's a gas mask, but no BDSM style face mask. 1204 00:50:29,155 --> 00:50:31,085 Yeah. Yeah. And, and then I've got 1205 00:50:31,205 --> 00:50:32,805 - Questions or latex, - There you go. 1206 00:50:32,805 --> 00:50:35,005 Could've been latex too. And then I had questions like, 1207 00:50:35,005 --> 00:50:36,365 was this a kinking gone wrong? 1208 00:50:37,105 --> 00:50:39,205 Was the guy or somebody in the house 1209 00:50:39,205 --> 00:50:40,285 that they were at Kinky? 1210 00:50:40,285 --> 00:50:41,645 And they were like, I have to hide my identity. 1211 00:50:41,795 --> 00:50:46,725 This'll work. Mm-Hmm. Like, I have questions. 1212 00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:47,845 - Yeah. Yeah. 1213 00:50:48,845 --> 00:50:51,245 - I, and I, I think I did a quick look 1214 00:50:51,245 --> 00:50:53,165 and I don't think I found anything that said 1215 00:50:53,235 --> 00:50:55,445 that showed anything about what the mask looked like. 1216 00:50:55,445 --> 00:50:57,405 Yeah. If somebody has heard this story, 1217 00:50:57,455 --> 00:50:58,845 maybe you're in northern Michigan. 1218 00:50:58,865 --> 00:50:59,965 Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. . This 1219 00:50:59,965 --> 00:51:01,005 is a local story for you. 1220 00:51:01,115 --> 00:51:02,805 Yeah. And you have the details. 1221 00:51:03,365 --> 00:51:06,005 , I need to know what the mask was. 1222 00:51:06,215 --> 00:51:11,125 - Right. Right. I mean, you know, thinking 1223 00:51:11,795 --> 00:51:14,405 this from what I'm reading, getting from 1224 00:51:14,435 --> 00:51:16,045 what you, from the story. 1225 00:51:16,045 --> 00:51:17,845 Mm-Hmm. , you know, these two guys went 1226 00:51:17,845 --> 00:51:18,965 somewhere and were shooting at a house. 1227 00:51:18,985 --> 00:51:20,765 Did they have they have a beef with somebody? 1228 00:51:21,265 --> 00:51:23,085 Did this guy wanna remain anonymous? 1229 00:51:23,305 --> 00:51:25,125 So he grabbed the first mask he had 1230 00:51:25,125 --> 00:51:26,445 and it turned out to be, and then 1231 00:51:26,445 --> 00:51:28,685 - Whose mask - Was it? Yeah. You know, 1232 00:51:29,235 --> 00:51:31,885 - That I just, I, I wanna know, I wanna know why 1233 00:51:32,435 --> 00:51:33,725 that mask. Yeah. 1234 00:51:34,115 --> 00:51:38,525 - What - That mask, , how that ma like, I just, and, 1235 00:51:38,585 --> 00:51:40,725 and, and the article I found there were no pictures. 1236 00:51:40,775 --> 00:51:42,765 There was nothing to show. Here's the mask. 1237 00:51:42,825 --> 00:51:43,885 And I guess 'cause it's 1238 00:51:44,005 --> 00:51:45,165 evidence or whatever, but it's like, Mm-Hmm. 1239 00:51:45,345 --> 00:51:48,805 You gave me this salacious detail, but then gave me no 1240 00:51:48,995 --> 00:51:49,995 - More Nothing. 1241 00:51:49,995 --> 00:51:50,565 Nothing to go. Yeah. To go. 1242 00:51:50,705 --> 00:51:52,645 - Ah, I know. It's such a dissatisfying. 1243 00:51:52,915 --> 00:51:54,045 - Left you hanging. It did. 1244 00:51:54,145 --> 00:51:56,685 - It did I, I got edged by a new story. 1245 00:51:57,865 --> 00:52:00,805 And then we had denial at the end. 1246 00:52:01,465 --> 00:52:03,165 And I'm like, I don't even, 1247 00:52:03,445 --> 00:52:06,445 I personally don't have enough experience with masks 1248 00:52:06,585 --> 00:52:08,365 to think of all the different variations. 1249 00:52:08,365 --> 00:52:10,405 Mm-Hmm. . But anybody in kink who has played 1250 00:52:10,405 --> 00:52:12,285 with masks can, can probably think of, 1251 00:52:12,345 --> 00:52:13,885 and we'll all be thinking of something different. 1252 00:52:14,285 --> 00:52:16,005 . Yeah. And then we can all still be wrong. 1253 00:52:16,095 --> 00:52:20,805 - Right. I mean, you know, pet play, 1254 00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:22,445 there's so many different kinds of masks now. 1255 00:52:22,745 --> 00:52:24,365 So many, you know, it used to be 1256 00:52:26,025 --> 00:52:28,245 in the early days it was mostly pony play. 1257 00:52:28,245 --> 00:52:29,765 Yeah, yeah. You know, for the pony mat. 1258 00:52:29,765 --> 00:52:31,525 But now you got the pup play, you got, you know, 1259 00:52:31,625 --> 00:52:32,925 cat play and you know Right. 1260 00:52:32,985 --> 00:52:34,685 Rabbit and, and all this like, 1261 00:52:34,885 --> 00:52:36,645 - Whatever your imagination can come up 1262 00:52:36,675 --> 00:52:38,445 with, somebody's probably made it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1263 00:52:38,475 --> 00:52:39,475 - Yeah. 1264 00:52:39,475 --> 00:52:41,245 So, you know, there, there's all those kinds of masks. 1265 00:52:41,315 --> 00:52:45,245 Then, you know, there's people with latex masks 1266 00:52:45,505 --> 00:52:47,685 and, you know. 1267 00:52:47,875 --> 00:52:50,005 Yeah. So many, so many different things that it, 1268 00:52:50,005 --> 00:52:51,125 that could possibly be, 1269 00:52:51,785 --> 00:52:53,565 - And, and we've been denied. 1270 00:52:54,535 --> 00:52:56,565 We've been edged mindfuck 1271 00:52:56,785 --> 00:53:00,805 and denied whoever's reporting on this 1272 00:53:01,305 --> 00:53:02,485 is clearly a sadist. 1273 00:53:02,905 --> 00:53:04,125 So it's kinky all the way through. 1274 00:53:04,215 --> 00:53:08,325 Quite frankly, , like, if I recall, I don't, 1275 00:53:08,325 --> 00:53:10,885 maybe the news story I read from gave a few details 1276 00:53:10,905 --> 00:53:12,085 of what the fuck was going on. 1277 00:53:12,085 --> 00:53:13,365 Like crime wise, 1278 00:53:13,845 --> 00:53:15,965 I did not retain any of that. I just wanna know 1279 00:53:15,965 --> 00:53:16,965 - About the mask. 1280 00:53:16,965 --> 00:53:17,765 I mean, what they, they live in Michigan. 1281 00:53:17,765 --> 00:53:19,645 They didn't have a ski mask candy. Right. 1282 00:53:19,705 --> 00:53:21,765 - Nobody one would hope, 1283 00:53:22,745 --> 00:53:26,045 one would hope nobody would mistake a ski mask 1284 00:53:26,105 --> 00:53:28,365 for A-B-D-S-M style face mask. 1285 00:53:28,415 --> 00:53:29,925 Right. . And see, 1286 00:53:29,925 --> 00:53:33,805 then my little contrarian brain goes, oh, face mask. 1287 00:53:33,805 --> 00:53:36,085 Were we doing, was it, is it the kind you do 1288 00:53:36,085 --> 00:53:37,925 with when you're doing your skincare 1289 00:53:38,025 --> 00:53:40,445 and is there A-B-D-S-M style that I would like one. 1290 00:53:40,655 --> 00:53:42,885 - Right, right, right, right, right. 1291 00:53:46,875 --> 00:53:50,005 - Like I, I know we, we got left hanging, 1292 00:53:50,305 --> 00:53:51,645 but I was so delightful. 1293 00:53:51,765 --> 00:53:53,085 I almost didn't share it. 'cause I was like, oh, 1294 00:53:53,085 --> 00:53:54,845 this story is nothing about BDSM. 1295 00:53:54,845 --> 00:53:56,325 But then I put it in the newsletter 1296 00:53:56,325 --> 00:53:58,765 and I believe my little editor's note that I tend 1297 00:53:58,765 --> 00:54:00,645 to put under each one of these was like Mm-Hmm. 1298 00:54:00,685 --> 00:54:02,005 . I just wanna know what the mask 1299 00:54:02,005 --> 00:54:03,565 was. What's the mask? 1300 00:54:04,045 --> 00:54:05,525 - Peter Rose brought up And it, 1301 00:54:05,545 --> 00:54:07,725 it could be got, or, or Sting Punk. You 1302 00:54:07,725 --> 00:54:08,725 - Know? 1303 00:54:08,725 --> 00:54:08,965 It absolutely could be. Yeah, 1304 00:54:09,265 --> 00:54:10,565 it could be. It could've been the, um, 1305 00:54:10,605 --> 00:54:11,605 - I didn't even think of that. 1306 00:54:11,605 --> 00:54:13,005 You know, especially with steam punk, you know, 1307 00:54:13,005 --> 00:54:14,325 with the goggles and Right. You know. 1308 00:54:14,355 --> 00:54:15,605 - Yeah. And, and that's the other thing. 1309 00:54:15,785 --> 00:54:17,525 It could have had nothing to do with kink, 1310 00:54:17,545 --> 00:54:19,485 but a person who saw it, didn't know, 1311 00:54:19,745 --> 00:54:21,485 - Didn't know the ash, - The hole in the ground. 1312 00:54:21,905 --> 00:54:24,325 And they were like, oh yeah, this is kinky. Mm-Hmm. 1313 00:54:24,685 --> 00:54:27,045 I know, I know. But we still, we don't get to know. 1314 00:54:27,945 --> 00:54:31,005 It could have been the, what's the plague? Doctor Mask. 1315 00:54:31,065 --> 00:54:33,045 Now one would hope somebody would go, that's a plague. 1316 00:54:33,045 --> 00:54:35,485 Doctor mask. Like the, the, the long nosy thing and the 1317 00:54:35,985 --> 00:54:37,285 - Oh, with the, like the peak. 1318 00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:38,725 - Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, 1319 00:54:39,225 --> 00:54:41,925 but you, you should know that's a plague doctor. 1320 00:54:41,995 --> 00:54:43,605 Like, I don't know. So many questions, 1321 00:54:44,085 --> 00:54:45,085 - . 1322 00:54:45,085 --> 00:54:46,065 So 1323 00:54:47,965 --> 00:54:49,925 - I have so many questions and I'll probably never get an 1324 00:54:49,925 --> 00:54:50,925 - Answer. 1325 00:54:50,925 --> 00:54:51,005 You never know the answers. Yeah. 1326 00:54:51,185 --> 00:54:53,725 - But if you happen to be in northern Michigan, 1327 00:54:53,785 --> 00:54:56,965 and this is sort of a semi or actual local story, 1328 00:54:57,025 --> 00:54:59,645 and you ever get the detail, I'm begging that you share, 1329 00:54:59,645 --> 00:55:00,965 even if it's dissatisfying, 1330 00:55:00,965 --> 00:55:03,205 even if it was like the most vanilla fucking thing 1331 00:55:03,425 --> 00:55:05,125 and somebody went, oh, it's black. 1332 00:55:05,185 --> 00:55:07,525 So Yeah, it's definitely kinky or whatever. . Right. 1333 00:55:07,635 --> 00:55:09,725 Just I need the closure. I need the closure. 1334 00:55:10,365 --> 00:55:14,205 - . I need to know, 1335 00:55:14,595 --> 00:55:16,685 - Because either it's gonna be satisfying. 1336 00:55:16,685 --> 00:55:18,165 We'll be like, oh, now I have questions about what kind 1337 00:55:18,165 --> 00:55:20,325 of kink and how, how did somebody come into this Right. 1338 00:55:20,325 --> 00:55:21,845 And what were they doing with it? Or it's gonna be 1339 00:55:21,845 --> 00:55:23,125 dissatisfying and I was gonna go, yeah. 1340 00:55:23,125 --> 00:55:24,245 Fucking media. They don't fucking 1341 00:55:24,245 --> 00:55:25,485 know anything about kink. It. 1342 00:55:25,585 --> 00:55:27,165 - It could have been, it couldn't have been, 1343 00:55:27,265 --> 00:55:30,285 it could have been a, uh, CNC scene gone wrong. 1344 00:55:30,745 --> 00:55:32,605 You know? I know. I don't think 1345 00:55:32,605 --> 00:55:35,005 - Weren't involving guns loaded guns though. 1346 00:55:35,155 --> 00:55:36,925 - Well, yeah, I know. Right. You know, 1347 00:55:37,435 --> 00:55:38,435 - Seem safe. 1348 00:55:38,445 --> 00:55:42,525 , I don't think they were taking any risk, uh, 1349 00:55:42,535 --> 00:55:43,565 mitigation measures 1350 00:55:43,665 --> 00:55:44,665 - In that one. 1351 00:55:44,665 --> 00:55:45,845 know, playing, playing robbers or something, 1352 00:55:45,905 --> 00:55:47,525 you know, and , 1353 00:55:49,685 --> 00:55:50,685 - I don't know. 1354 00:55:50,685 --> 00:55:53,885 I dunno. But that we started heavy. Yeah. 1355 00:55:53,885 --> 00:55:55,285 Started, we're ending on this one. 1356 00:55:55,465 --> 00:55:58,005 You now have been edged and mind fucked with us. Yeah. 1357 00:55:58,275 --> 00:56:00,645 None of us get to have the satisfaction of knowing. Mm-Hmm. 1358 00:56:00,685 --> 00:56:03,645 . Mm-Hmm. , um, , that 1359 00:56:04,425 --> 00:56:06,405 was it for this week's episode. 1360 00:56:06,505 --> 00:56:07,685 We will do a bonus section. 1361 00:56:08,025 --> 00:56:09,245 Uh, we will continue being chaotic 1362 00:56:09,265 --> 00:56:10,485 in the bonus section, of course. 1363 00:56:10,985 --> 00:56:12,365 Um, but yeah, that's all 1364 00:56:12,365 --> 00:56:13,485 I got. Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. 1365 00:56:13,525 --> 00:56:14,965 - . Mm-Hmm. . So, uh, are we good? 1366 00:56:14,965 --> 00:56:17,925 After all this, uh, insanity and chaos Yas? 1367 00:56:18,165 --> 00:56:21,165 - I don't think that's for me to say. Okay. Keep 1368 00:56:21,165 --> 00:56:23,205 - It, keep kinky - Y'all, and we'll see you next week. 1369 00:56:33,665 --> 00:56:34,665 God. 1370 00:56:35,865 --> 00:56:37,685 - Yes, baby girl. Can I - Talk to the crickets, please? 1371 00:56:39,105 --> 00:56:40,725 - You really want to talk to the crickets. 1372 00:56:40,725 --> 00:56:42,125 Do you have anything to say to the crickets? 1373 00:56:42,125 --> 00:56:43,685 Or if once I give you permission to talk 1374 00:56:43,685 --> 00:56:45,165 to the crickets, you can say, I ain't got nothing. 1375 00:56:45,645 --> 00:56:49,045 - I probably do. I can always find something. 1376 00:56:49,315 --> 00:56:50,405 - Okay. Well, in that case, 1377 00:56:50,505 --> 00:56:52,045 go ahead and talk to the crickets. Thank you 1378 00:56:52,045 --> 00:56:53,045 - Daddy. 1379 00:56:53,045 --> 00:56:56,365 . Um, I am loving what's happening in the live chat 1380 00:56:56,415 --> 00:56:58,405 right back here on YouTube where people are just guessing 1381 00:56:58,405 --> 00:56:59,525 what kind of mask it be. 1382 00:56:59,525 --> 00:57:02,365 Yeah. Yeah. Um, so feel free to play that game. . 1383 00:57:02,365 --> 00:57:06,485 Mm-Hmm. like, um, yeah, 1384 00:57:07,205 --> 00:57:09,035 I, I don't know. 1385 00:57:09,035 --> 00:57:11,755 That was fun. Um, bonus section stuff. 1386 00:57:12,095 --> 00:57:13,795 Uh, we're gonna talk about it more 1387 00:57:14,055 --> 00:57:16,475 and keep talking about it, and some folks have heard us talk 1388 00:57:16,475 --> 00:57:17,675 about it like ad nauseum. 1389 00:57:17,735 --> 00:57:21,355 We will be on our break the last two weeks of December. 1390 00:57:22,255 --> 00:57:23,555 Um, I think one 1391 00:57:23,555 --> 00:57:26,115 of the last things we'll do will be our YouTube live stream. 1392 00:57:26,235 --> 00:57:27,475 I believe that's the 15th. 1393 00:57:28,175 --> 00:57:31,555 Um, if it's not exactly the 15th, it's the Friday closest 1394 00:57:31,655 --> 00:57:32,715 to the 15th of December. 1395 00:57:33,295 --> 00:57:37,995 Um, I think we'll have a short video slash podcast episode. 1396 00:57:37,995 --> 00:57:39,275 Go live the following Monday, 1397 00:57:39,775 --> 00:57:42,475 and then we'll be quiet for two weeks. 1398 00:57:42,935 --> 00:57:46,035 Um, if you are a part of our Patreon community, uh, 1399 00:57:46,035 --> 00:57:49,475 you can always dmm us, um, through different channels 1400 00:57:49,475 --> 00:57:51,355 and we'll, it'll take me a hot minute, 1401 00:57:51,375 --> 00:57:52,435 but you'll get an answer eventually. 1402 00:57:52,815 --> 00:57:54,835 Um, but everything else will kind of shut down 1403 00:57:54,835 --> 00:57:58,235 for a couple weeks or we get a much needed break. 1404 00:57:58,455 --> 00:58:01,555 Mm-Hmm. . Um, so, 1405 00:58:04,215 --> 00:58:08,315 um, we are gonna be, I'm gonna try to have the details 1406 00:58:08,335 --> 00:58:09,755 for next week's episode, . 1407 00:58:09,845 --> 00:58:13,235 We're gonna be a vendor at a big 1408 00:58:13,365 --> 00:58:15,035 party in Gainesville. 1409 00:58:15,095 --> 00:58:17,275 Yes. On December 30th. Mm-Hmm. . 1410 00:58:17,735 --> 00:58:19,195 Um, I'll try 1411 00:58:19,195 --> 00:58:22,355 and put more stuff out about that, um, with links 1412 00:58:22,355 --> 00:58:26,835 and stuff, if you're in that area, can get to that area. 1413 00:58:26,845 --> 00:58:28,035 Wanna go to that area? Mm-Hmm. 1414 00:58:28,075 --> 00:58:30,115 , it's basically a spanking party. 1415 00:58:30,215 --> 00:58:31,835 Am I understanding that correctly? 1416 00:58:32,295 --> 00:58:34,235 - Um, kink. A kink party. Yeah. 1417 00:58:34,235 --> 00:58:35,915 - It's just a kink party. Okay. Maybe I'm con I might 1418 00:58:35,915 --> 00:58:36,995 be confusing it with another event. 1419 00:58:36,995 --> 00:58:38,395 We got invited to Mm-Hmm. 1420 00:58:38,435 --> 00:58:39,395 , that's a spank party. 1421 00:58:39,815 --> 00:58:40,955 That's a different event. Okay. 1422 00:58:40,955 --> 00:58:41,955 - That's a whole different one. Yeah. 1423 00:58:41,955 --> 00:58:43,035 - This is just a kink event. - This 1424 00:58:43,035 --> 00:58:43,915 is, this is just a kink 1425 00:58:43,915 --> 00:58:44,675 event. Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. . 1426 00:58:44,775 --> 00:58:45,795 - Um, they'll have vendors, 1427 00:58:46,375 --> 00:58:48,475 - The, um, they're, they're gonna have several vendors 1428 00:58:48,475 --> 00:58:50,635 there, actually three that I know of. 1429 00:58:50,775 --> 00:58:53,315 Mm-Hmm. And we're, we're one of the three. Yep. 1430 00:58:53,935 --> 00:58:56,075 - So like, you can buy a toy and then go use 1431 00:58:56,075 --> 00:58:57,075 - The toy. 1432 00:58:57,075 --> 00:58:58,795 Yep. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. 1433 00:58:58,975 --> 00:59:03,115 Um, and, um, this, this person, they, 1434 00:59:03,185 --> 00:59:06,675 they are people, uh, they are, uh, 1435 00:59:06,745 --> 00:59:09,275 working towards organizing some events like this 1436 00:59:09,375 --> 00:59:10,635 in, in Gainesville. 1437 00:59:10,635 --> 00:59:12,995 Okay. Okay. Uh, which is really, really nice. 1438 00:59:13,215 --> 00:59:15,915 Uh, a lot of, a lot of things happening in, 1439 00:59:16,015 --> 00:59:17,475 in the local community here. 1440 00:59:17,475 --> 00:59:19,195 And I'm so happy to see, you know, 1441 00:59:19,315 --> 00:59:21,525 - I know you've gotten your community mojo back. 1442 00:59:21,525 --> 00:59:23,885 You're like, I would like to go out and be social. Yeah. 1443 00:59:23,885 --> 00:59:25,005 And I'm like, go forth 1444 00:59:25,565 --> 00:59:27,805 - , - Go forth and have a good time without 1445 00:59:27,865 --> 00:59:28,865 - Me. 1446 00:59:28,865 --> 00:59:31,125 . I, I, I'm, I, I, I kind of lost it for a while. 1447 00:59:31,225 --> 00:59:32,845 Mm-Hmm. . Um, Mm-Hmm. . 1448 00:59:33,305 --> 00:59:34,725 My, my head space, my, 1449 00:59:34,745 --> 00:59:37,805 my mental state has is getting better. 1450 00:59:37,985 --> 00:59:41,725 Mm-Hmm. doing much better. And, uh, yeah. 1451 00:59:41,785 --> 00:59:45,285 I'm, I'm once more venturing out into the, into the world 1452 00:59:45,425 --> 00:59:47,085 and, and enjoying Mm-Hmm. 1453 00:59:47,125 --> 00:59:48,285 these, these events. 1454 00:59:48,625 --> 00:59:50,045 - Mm-Hmm. . Yeah. Yep. 1455 00:59:50,465 --> 00:59:53,365 You, um, the week, my mom was in town last week 1456 00:59:53,985 --> 00:59:56,325 and Tuesday was a month that for a long time you went 1457 00:59:56,325 --> 00:59:57,565 to like, regularly and then 1458 00:59:57,565 --> 00:59:59,445 for several months you didn't really go to at all 1459 00:59:59,785 --> 01:00:00,965 or very infrequently. 1460 01:00:02,545 --> 01:00:04,565 And you're like, I really wanna go to this month. 1461 01:00:04,645 --> 01:00:06,045 I know your mom's in town. I was like, no, no, no. 1462 01:00:06,045 --> 01:00:08,645 That's actually perfect. You go do your thing and me 1463 01:00:09,025 --> 01:00:11,685 and my mom and the kid will go do our thing. 1464 01:00:11,685 --> 01:00:13,165 Yeah. And then nobody has to feel guilty. 1465 01:00:13,745 --> 01:00:15,805 - And, and that, and that's kind of what I was hoping 1466 01:00:15,865 --> 01:00:17,085 for when I brought it up 1467 01:00:17,085 --> 01:00:19,245 because, you know, I didn't know you were gonna, 1468 01:00:19,265 --> 01:00:20,805 if you were gonna bring the youngest or not, 1469 01:00:20,905 --> 01:00:23,165 but I kind of figured, you know, I'd give you 1470 01:00:23,165 --> 01:00:27,205 and your mom some y'all time to Sure. You know? 1471 01:00:27,435 --> 01:00:29,445 - Yeah. It worked out perfectly. Mm-Hmm. 1472 01:00:29,485 --> 01:00:31,565 - . Mm-Hmm. - . Um, so Yeah. 1473 01:00:31,565 --> 01:00:33,205 Yeah. You're doing and you're doing a lot of things. 1474 01:00:33,205 --> 01:00:35,965 And also our area outside 1475 01:00:35,965 --> 01:00:38,245 of Gainesville has a thriving kink community, 1476 01:00:38,245 --> 01:00:40,365 but Gainesville, which this should not come as a surprise 1477 01:00:40,365 --> 01:00:43,725 to anybody, 'cause college kids are adventurous and kinky. 1478 01:00:43,725 --> 01:00:46,445 People live everywhere. But Gainesville has like a thriving 1479 01:00:47,275 --> 01:00:48,685 kink community from what I gather. 1480 01:00:48,715 --> 01:00:51,445 - Gainesville has, has a quite a bit, um, 1481 01:00:52,235 --> 01:00:54,325 kink community going on up there. Very. 1482 01:00:54,465 --> 01:00:55,805 - And stuff geared towards college kids. 1483 01:00:55,805 --> 01:00:58,085 - And the a a very, a very diverse Mm-Hmm. 1484 01:00:58,125 --> 01:01:00,405 community in Gainesville, uh, 1485 01:01:00,405 --> 01:01:02,045 which is really nice to see. 1486 01:01:02,105 --> 01:01:04,565 Mm-Hmm. . Um, you know, yes. 1487 01:01:04,595 --> 01:01:08,405 They, they have, um, you know, for, for younger, uh, 1488 01:01:09,265 --> 01:01:12,365 my understanding, they have a very big, um, 1489 01:01:13,675 --> 01:01:16,925 what they call the TNG, the next generation generation. 1490 01:01:16,945 --> 01:01:18,365 Mm-Hmm. that would make sense. 1491 01:01:18,575 --> 01:01:21,845 Which are, you know, from 18 to 30 mm-Hmm. . 1492 01:01:22,745 --> 01:01:24,365 Mm-Hmm. And, um, you know, 1493 01:01:24,365 --> 01:01:27,365 and that, that obviously is, is, you know, , 1494 01:01:27,465 --> 01:01:28,965 you know, college town, you know. 1495 01:01:29,115 --> 01:01:30,165 Yeah. That makes total sense there. 1496 01:01:30,195 --> 01:01:33,285 That makes total, total sense there. Um, uh, 1497 01:01:33,285 --> 01:01:35,365 - If, if the kid figures out, I don't know if he is, 1498 01:01:35,365 --> 01:01:37,205 and I haven't asked, and that's not a conversation we have, 1499 01:01:37,225 --> 01:01:38,685 but if the kid figures out he's kinky 1500 01:01:38,685 --> 01:01:40,725 and we cross paths at a kinky band 1501 01:01:40,925 --> 01:01:42,245 - , oh gosh, - That's gonna 1502 01:01:42,525 --> 01:01:44,285 probably fuck with me a little bit. . I'm 1503 01:01:44,285 --> 01:01:45,285 - Just saying. 1504 01:01:45,285 --> 01:01:46,045 Um, you know, and, 1505 01:01:46,045 --> 01:01:49,205 and what's, what's nice to see, especially, um, 1506 01:01:49,465 --> 01:01:52,045 up there in Gainesville, which, which is kind of nice 1507 01:01:52,045 --> 01:01:55,285 because it does cross over here with, with us in Ocala. 1508 01:01:55,985 --> 01:02:00,485 Um, you know, they have, um, now, uh, 1509 01:02:01,045 --> 01:02:02,845 a number of different munches Mm-Hmm. 1510 01:02:02,885 --> 01:02:04,605 that, that are going on. Mm-Hmm. 1511 01:02:04,685 --> 01:02:09,645 . Um, and they are also doing, um, 1512 01:02:10,165 --> 01:02:13,685 a lot of family friendly Mm-Hmm. events. 1513 01:02:13,875 --> 01:02:16,565 - Yeah. I see them come through notifications from FetLife 1514 01:02:16,565 --> 01:02:18,485 of like, we're gonna do a game night, 1515 01:02:18,485 --> 01:02:19,525 we're gonna do a picnic. 1516 01:02:19,625 --> 01:02:20,765 Yes. We're gonna do a mm-Hmm. . 1517 01:02:20,905 --> 01:02:23,485 And I'm like, oh, y'all go have a good time being social, 1518 01:02:23,705 --> 01:02:25,525 - You know, uh, not do that with it, 1519 01:02:25,525 --> 01:02:26,525 with it being the holidays. 1520 01:02:26,605 --> 01:02:29,485 I, I saw today that they just posted they're going to do a, 1521 01:02:29,505 --> 01:02:33,445 uh, a, a cookie themed Oh, uh, social, you know, and, 1522 01:02:33,445 --> 01:02:35,125 and that that's for everybody in the family. 1523 01:02:35,825 --> 01:02:40,525 Um, there's, there's another group that, that is, um, 1524 01:02:41,025 --> 01:02:43,005 you know, dedicated a little bit more to health. 1525 01:02:43,585 --> 01:02:47,525 Um, and, and they have been doing, uh, monthly hikes Mm. 1526 01:02:48,025 --> 01:02:50,405 In, in a lot of the, uh, forests and parks. 1527 01:02:50,665 --> 01:02:53,245 - I'm gonna stay around here in my house in my soft clothes. 1528 01:02:53,305 --> 01:02:54,925 Mm-Hmm. by my damn self. 1529 01:02:55,065 --> 01:02:56,365 - So, you know, but y'all - Have a 1530 01:02:56,365 --> 01:02:57,365 - Good time. 1531 01:02:57,365 --> 01:02:59,245 And, um, the other thing that, that I'm really happy 1532 01:02:59,345 --> 01:03:03,325 to see is, um, um, Zonis, 1533 01:03:03,865 --> 01:03:08,565 who we know in the community, um, he has 1534 01:03:09,785 --> 01:03:13,485 put together and been approved for a, uh, Gainesville Mass. 1535 01:03:13,795 --> 01:03:15,005 Mass Oh. Chapter, 1536 01:03:15,255 --> 01:03:17,325 - Which is what does mass stand for? 1537 01:03:17,745 --> 01:03:19,565 - Uh, master and slaves together. 1538 01:03:19,825 --> 01:03:21,285 - Yes. I always forget. Mm-Hmm. . 1539 01:03:22,305 --> 01:03:24,325 - So, um, yeah. 1540 01:03:24,325 --> 01:03:26,245 That the, the first, uh, meeting of 1541 01:03:26,245 --> 01:03:28,085 that will be coming up this month. Oh 1542 01:03:28,085 --> 01:03:29,085 - Wow. 1543 01:03:29,085 --> 01:03:30,925 I'm certain you're going Yeah. Yeah. I figured. Yeah. 1544 01:03:31,185 --> 01:03:32,325 You have a good time. . 1545 01:03:32,485 --> 01:03:33,605 - I, I'll 1546 01:03:34,095 --> 01:03:35,095 - There. 1547 01:03:35,095 --> 01:03:37,965 Will I, I think if I can decompress a little bit over 1548 01:03:37,965 --> 01:03:39,085 the break Mm-Hmm. 1549 01:03:39,125 --> 01:03:40,965 and I can get my bearings with 1550 01:03:41,745 --> 01:03:43,845 my business identity is slightly shifting. 1551 01:03:44,105 --> 01:03:46,765 I'm not a freelancer right now slash anymore. 1552 01:03:47,465 --> 01:03:51,285 Um, but also I don't like, uh, that means goals 1553 01:03:51,285 --> 01:03:53,965 that we've had, like are a lot more important than they were 1554 01:03:54,205 --> 01:03:55,645 because I don't have freelancing 1555 01:03:55,645 --> 01:03:56,805 to fall back on Mm-Hmm. 1556 01:03:56,845 --> 01:03:58,205 . Um, I need to like, shift 1557 01:03:58,205 --> 01:04:00,925 and figure out myself and like, get some energy, 1558 01:04:01,475 --> 01:04:05,305 like re-energize, like just rest and, huh. 1559 01:04:05,405 --> 01:04:09,425 And I think that I will, I will never want to go do as much 1560 01:04:09,425 --> 01:04:10,785 as you want to go do . 1561 01:04:10,885 --> 01:04:12,665 I'm just not wired that way. Yeah. 1562 01:04:12,925 --> 01:04:16,825 But I think if I can like, find my balance 1563 01:04:16,925 --> 01:04:18,865 and my center again of like Mm-Hmm. 1564 01:04:18,905 --> 01:04:20,145 who I am and what I do, 1565 01:04:21,105 --> 01:04:23,105 I feel like I can give more energy. 1566 01:04:23,345 --> 01:04:25,665 'cause that thing being social requires a lot more 1567 01:04:25,665 --> 01:04:26,785 energy for me. 1568 01:04:26,895 --> 01:04:28,505 Like, it's just, it's, it's draining. 1569 01:04:28,535 --> 01:04:29,985 It's immediately draining. Yeah. 1570 01:04:30,085 --> 01:04:31,465 For a lot of different reasons, but I 1571 01:04:31,465 --> 01:04:32,865 wanna be there with you. 1572 01:04:33,175 --> 01:04:34,905 Yeah. And I also wanna go to places 1573 01:04:34,905 --> 01:04:36,545 where we can like order a nice little 1574 01:04:36,545 --> 01:04:37,945 appetizer and I can get a Diet Coke. 1575 01:04:38,245 --> 01:04:39,245 - I'm like, look at me. You know, 1576 01:04:39,345 --> 01:04:40,345 - I like that - Stuff. 1577 01:04:40,345 --> 01:04:41,665 I'll say, I will say this. Mm-Hmm. . 1578 01:04:41,765 --> 01:04:45,025 And I know it, it, the, the date may seem a little funny, 1579 01:04:45,125 --> 01:04:49,025 but, uh, the end of this month there is, uh, 1580 01:04:49,325 --> 01:04:51,345 the Ocala Munch coming up 1581 01:04:51,605 --> 01:04:53,905 and it is at a location very close to us. 1582 01:04:54,225 --> 01:04:55,625 - I know. And it's why like, I wanna, 1583 01:04:55,905 --> 01:04:58,385 I wanna like feel a little less drained 1584 01:04:58,385 --> 01:05:00,345 because it make one, it's a place I like to eat. 1585 01:05:00,685 --> 01:05:02,585 And two is like right down the road. Mm-Hmm. 1586 01:05:02,625 --> 01:05:04,105 like, it's easy to get there. 1587 01:05:04,565 --> 01:05:06,065 We could go together. 1588 01:05:06,465 --> 01:05:08,225 I know you're going no matter what, but like Yeah. 1589 01:05:08,585 --> 01:05:11,025 I don't wanna, I don't wanna never do anything 1590 01:05:11,025 --> 01:05:12,305 social with you . 1591 01:05:14,005 --> 01:05:17,725 Um, I just, I just don't, I just don't have it. 1592 01:05:18,275 --> 01:05:19,525 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1593 01:05:19,785 --> 01:05:22,845 We are, uh, somebody reached out to us, um, speaking 1594 01:05:22,865 --> 01:05:24,805 of events and it was the one I was talking about 1595 01:05:24,805 --> 01:05:26,765 where there's like a spanking theme to it. 1596 01:05:27,185 --> 01:05:30,205 Um, and asked us if we, uh, might be willing 1597 01:05:30,205 --> 01:05:32,965 to be a vendor at a, an event in Georgia 1598 01:05:33,455 --> 01:05:35,525 where the whole thing is about spanking. 1599 01:05:35,665 --> 01:05:37,245 And I'm like, I'm fucking here for that 1600 01:05:37,405 --> 01:05:38,685 - Spanking con. Right. 1601 01:05:38,965 --> 01:05:40,725 - , it's not what it's called, but that's what it is. 1602 01:05:40,725 --> 01:05:41,805 Yeah. Yeah. Um, 1603 01:05:42,785 --> 01:05:46,845 and I've still gotta figure out the logistics of, 1604 01:05:48,285 --> 01:05:50,925 'cause being a vendor would be probably affordable. 1605 01:05:50,945 --> 01:05:52,085 We could afford it. Yeah. 1606 01:05:52,085 --> 01:05:54,925 It's a, it's a long drive, but it's a drives distance. 1607 01:05:54,925 --> 01:05:57,645 Mm-Hmm. . But I don't know if it's like you 1608 01:05:57,645 --> 01:05:59,165 have to be there for the whole like four days 1609 01:05:59,225 --> 01:06:00,765 or if it's just a specific timeframe. 1610 01:06:00,765 --> 01:06:03,605 Yeah. And the other logistic part is, um, 1611 01:06:04,105 --> 01:06:06,325 can somebody watch the teenager? 1612 01:06:06,675 --> 01:06:09,285 Because if, if the dates fall away 1613 01:06:09,385 --> 01:06:11,085 or the timeframe falls away, I think it does. 1614 01:06:11,665 --> 01:06:15,005 Uh, one, I'm not gonna leave him home by himself for two 1615 01:06:15,005 --> 01:06:16,005 or three days overnight. 1616 01:06:16,005 --> 01:06:18,285 No. Like, that's not an option. But one of those days needs 1617 01:06:18,285 --> 01:06:20,045 to be, he needs to go to class. 1618 01:06:21,065 --> 01:06:22,885 Um, 'cause he's still in band even though he's, 1619 01:06:22,915 --> 01:06:24,405 he's homeschooling now. 1620 01:06:24,585 --> 01:06:27,765 Um, and my mother is the best one suited 1621 01:06:27,765 --> 01:06:28,805 that could watch him for that. 1622 01:06:29,345 --> 01:06:32,405 And, um, so, but she's planning, that's in March 1623 01:06:32,825 --> 01:06:36,645 and she's planning on going to visit, um, uh, 1624 01:06:36,965 --> 01:06:39,565 extended family in the UK in March. 1625 01:06:39,745 --> 01:06:42,685 And so I'm waiting on her to finalize her travel plans. 1626 01:06:42,965 --> 01:06:44,205 'cause she told me, I was telling her about this 1627 01:06:44,205 --> 01:06:46,765 and she was like, well if I, if we don't go to the UK 1628 01:06:46,765 --> 01:06:49,845 during those dates, I'll, I'll come watch the kid, 1629 01:06:50,265 --> 01:06:51,765 um, for you so you can go. 1630 01:06:51,765 --> 01:06:53,645 And I'm like, you and I don't give her details. 1631 01:06:53,675 --> 01:06:55,045 Like she understands that. Mm-Hmm. 1632 01:06:55,085 --> 01:06:56,485 , we are an adult business 1633 01:06:56,585 --> 01:06:59,645 and we do adult things, but we don't, we don't do details. 1634 01:06:59,645 --> 01:07:01,765 That's her boundary and I'm fine with it. 1635 01:07:01,765 --> 01:07:02,765 Please have that boundary. 1636 01:07:02,945 --> 01:07:05,525 But I'm like, you would, you would come travel here 1637 01:07:05,545 --> 01:07:09,925 for like three or four days to like, not really do anything 1638 01:07:09,925 --> 01:07:11,405 with a teenager other than give him a ride 1639 01:07:11,745 --> 01:07:14,365 and make sure he eats and probably spoil the fuck out of him 1640 01:07:14,825 --> 01:07:17,205 so I could go sell paddles. 1641 01:07:17,205 --> 01:07:18,525 Like I didn't say it like that. Yeah. 1642 01:07:18,525 --> 01:07:19,965 But I was like, and then I'm like, 1643 01:07:20,325 --> 01:07:21,405 'cause my mommy wants me to 1644 01:07:21,405 --> 01:07:22,725 succeed and I love that about her. 1645 01:07:22,725 --> 01:07:25,125 Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. . Um, so we 1646 01:07:25,125 --> 01:07:27,685 that's way unofficial. We have no 1647 01:07:27,685 --> 01:07:28,765 - Idea if we can do it yet. 1648 01:07:28,825 --> 01:07:31,325 We, we, we haven't. You brought it up to me, um, 1649 01:07:31,645 --> 01:07:32,805 a couple weeks ago I think. 1650 01:07:32,805 --> 01:07:35,005 - Yeah. 'cause somebody slid into our Kerrie dms 1651 01:07:35,025 --> 01:07:36,725 and I went, Ooh, email me about this. 1652 01:07:36,725 --> 01:07:38,165 And then I finally looked at the link 1653 01:07:38,165 --> 01:07:39,485 and like clicked the right thing 1654 01:07:39,485 --> 01:07:40,805 and got most of the information myself. 1655 01:07:40,805 --> 01:07:42,005 Mm-Hmm. . I just need to reach out 1656 01:07:42,005 --> 01:07:46,245 to the organizers and go, Hey, we might wanna do this, but 1657 01:07:46,995 --> 01:07:47,995 - Yeah. 1658 01:07:47,995 --> 01:07:48,765 - Help me understand the - Schedule. Need, 1659 01:07:48,765 --> 01:07:49,805 need some more information. 1660 01:07:49,905 --> 01:07:52,925 So yeah, you reach out, um, that, um, 1661 01:07:53,325 --> 01:07:55,125 I believe it's called gasp, 1662 01:07:56,395 --> 01:07:58,285 - Georgia Association. 1663 01:07:58,315 --> 01:08:00,365 Something, something Spanking, spanking 1664 01:08:00,365 --> 01:08:01,365 - Something, something. 1665 01:08:01,365 --> 01:08:04,365 Georgia Association of Spanking something. I think 1666 01:08:04,365 --> 01:08:05,365 - It's gas. 1667 01:08:05,365 --> 01:08:07,805 GAAS, I don't know. Oh. Or it's GASS. Mm-Hmm. . 1668 01:08:07,805 --> 01:08:08,885 I don't know. Somebody will know. 1669 01:08:09,385 --> 01:08:14,365 Um, so it's fine. Mm-Hmm. 1670 01:08:14,405 --> 01:08:16,285 . Um, so yeah. Way unofficial. Mm-Hmm. 1671 01:08:16,325 --> 01:08:18,525 . Um, and it, the timing works out perfect 1672 01:08:18,525 --> 01:08:22,965 because for my mom to come watch the kid, um, 1673 01:08:23,785 --> 01:08:25,445 it has to be at times when her 1674 01:08:26,035 --> 01:08:28,325 life in south Mississippi is like free. 1675 01:08:28,745 --> 01:08:31,805 Mm-Hmm. , like her and the evil stepdad, uh, 1676 01:08:32,075 --> 01:08:34,405 grow, cut and sell hay. 1677 01:08:34,545 --> 01:08:37,525 Now , I'm happy 1678 01:08:37,545 --> 01:08:39,565 for them if they're happy doing it and it's working. 1679 01:08:39,715 --> 01:08:40,765 Like I don't give a fuck. 1680 01:08:40,765 --> 01:08:42,165 But it's, I think of my mother 1681 01:08:42,385 --> 01:08:43,965 and who she was in my life 1682 01:08:44,025 --> 01:08:47,845 for the first like 25 years of it 1683 01:08:47,845 --> 01:08:49,565 before she married into this family. 1684 01:08:49,665 --> 01:08:53,765 I'm like, Nope. Never, never had that on my bingo card. 1685 01:08:53,765 --> 01:08:56,365 Yeah. . Okay. But it means that there are parts 1686 01:08:56,505 --> 01:08:59,325 of the year that their whole life is consumed with. 1687 01:08:59,465 --> 01:09:00,765 Are we growing it, are we harvesting? 1688 01:09:00,765 --> 01:09:02,645 Are we like, we can't go nowhere. Right. 1689 01:09:03,185 --> 01:09:06,125 And so March is like the month 1690 01:09:06,215 --> 01:09:08,565 where they can both go do something later in the year, 1691 01:09:08,805 --> 01:09:10,005 November, December hunting season. 1692 01:09:10,105 --> 01:09:11,125 Mm-Hmm. she'll 1693 01:09:11,125 --> 01:09:12,285 travel all over the fucking place. 1694 01:09:12,285 --> 01:09:15,325 Yeah. Because evil stepdad's out hunting and she does not. 1695 01:09:15,745 --> 01:09:19,285 Um, but like, this was like one of the few times. 1696 01:09:19,425 --> 01:09:21,565 So will we be able 1697 01:09:21,565 --> 01:09:23,125 to repeat something like this later in the year 1698 01:09:23,125 --> 01:09:24,525 that's within driving distance for us? 1699 01:09:24,545 --> 01:09:28,725 And, but I probably not, but we might this time. Mm-Hmm. 1700 01:09:28,765 --> 01:09:30,045 my backup, even though I have not 1701 01:09:30,185 --> 01:09:31,205 talked to him yet. 1702 01:09:31,505 --> 01:09:34,965 If my mom can't watch the, the youngest during 1703 01:09:34,965 --> 01:09:38,325 that timeframe, I think the oldest is on spring break. 1704 01:09:38,745 --> 01:09:42,445 And that will only work if he does not decide to go, 1705 01:09:42,745 --> 01:09:45,485 you know, have a big spring break somewhere. 1706 01:09:45,485 --> 01:09:48,365 And I could be like, Hey, uh, if I give you money 1707 01:09:48,625 --> 01:09:51,085 and like the keys to the car, 1708 01:09:51,255 --> 01:09:52,845 could you come home for a couple days? 1709 01:09:53,125 --> 01:09:56,205 , watch your brother watch the, the dog and cats. 1710 01:09:56,705 --> 01:09:58,125 Um, but that would be 1711 01:09:58,685 --> 01:10:00,765 dependent on him deciding not to do anything for spring break. 1712 01:10:00,905 --> 01:10:03,605 And he might not. 1713 01:10:03,765 --> 01:10:08,565 'cause he's, he's a broke bitch, but he might. So, I dunno. 1714 01:10:10,345 --> 01:10:14,655 But thank you taste, 1715 01:10:14,675 --> 01:10:18,015 you gotta gasp the Atlanta area Spanking society. 1716 01:10:18,285 --> 01:10:19,775 Okay. Mm-Hmm. . Mm-Hmm. . 1717 01:10:22,595 --> 01:10:25,015 - So the, um, the event 1718 01:10:25,095 --> 01:10:27,295 that we'll be vending at the end of this month. 1719 01:10:27,425 --> 01:10:28,695 - Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. - Um, 1720 01:10:28,955 --> 01:10:30,775 is the naughty New Year's Eve 1721 01:10:30,965 --> 01:10:32,255 - Naughty New Year's thing Eve? 1722 01:10:32,255 --> 01:10:33,495 Yeah, that's right. 'cause New 1723 01:10:33,495 --> 01:10:34,575 Year's Eve is actually on a Sunday. 1724 01:10:34,715 --> 01:10:36,375 So for kink parties, that would be the Saturday 1725 01:10:36,755 --> 01:10:37,775 - Before the - 30th. 1726 01:10:37,775 --> 01:10:39,895 Mm-Hmm. . Yeah. 1727 01:10:41,995 --> 01:10:43,735 So, yeah. 1728 01:10:44,035 --> 01:10:47,735 Um, but we're trying, I mean, as, as the youngest gets older 1729 01:10:48,115 --> 01:10:49,815 and there will come a point 1730 01:10:49,825 --> 01:10:51,655 where either he does not live here anymore 1731 01:10:51,795 --> 01:10:52,815 or he's old enough 1732 01:10:52,995 --> 01:10:54,695 and independent enough that we 1733 01:10:55,555 --> 01:10:57,255 can go forth and like leave him here. 1734 01:10:57,255 --> 01:10:58,735 Mm-Hmm. , uh, he's not there yet. 1735 01:10:58,925 --> 01:11:01,815 He's still , he's still in middle school technically. 1736 01:11:02,475 --> 01:11:04,335 Um, so we're, yeah. 1737 01:11:04,625 --> 01:11:07,855 We're, um, but you know, day trips that we can drive to 1738 01:11:08,155 --> 01:11:11,335 and have childcare for a day or two Yeah. Is what 1739 01:11:11,335 --> 01:11:12,335 - We're limited to. 1740 01:11:12,335 --> 01:11:13,845 I mean, you know. Yeah. Definitely. Day things. 1741 01:11:14,025 --> 01:11:15,885 Um, we've got him 1742 01:11:18,585 --> 01:11:21,445 showed him how to feed the fur babies. Yep. 1743 01:11:21,745 --> 01:11:26,525 - Yep. - And, uh, kind of had to, to hover a little bit on 1744 01:11:26,525 --> 01:11:28,925 that because Lola is very protective of her 1745 01:11:29,665 --> 01:11:31,045 for food covered. 1746 01:11:31,345 --> 01:11:32,685 - Not just anybody's allowed 1747 01:11:32,685 --> 01:11:34,485 to go in there and Right, right. Root around 1748 01:11:34,485 --> 01:11:36,365 - In her dinner when, uh, when when the oldest 1749 01:11:37,265 --> 01:11:40,245 was started feeding her, she was very confused 1750 01:11:40,245 --> 01:11:43,365 and very protective of her food cover , 1751 01:11:43,365 --> 01:11:44,445 - You're going to get this wrong 1752 01:11:44,665 --> 01:11:46,965 and you're fucking with my food and I have to protect it. 1753 01:11:47,225 --> 01:11:49,285 But she's not reactive. Like she's not lunch. 1754 01:11:49,295 --> 01:11:50,645 She's not dangerous. No, 1755 01:11:50,645 --> 01:11:51,645 but you have to be, you have to 1756 01:11:51,645 --> 01:11:52,965 remind her who the fuck's boss. 1757 01:11:53,175 --> 01:11:57,765 Right. And, um, and she does well now, you know, with him. 1758 01:11:57,785 --> 01:12:00,805 Mm-Hmm. . Um, that's how we were able to go 1759 01:12:00,805 --> 01:12:05,525 to Orlando, even though it's like we got home at 11. 1760 01:12:06,595 --> 01:12:09,725 Yeah. The girls would never have survived that long to, 1761 01:12:09,785 --> 01:12:11,245 to wait that long for their dinner. 1762 01:12:11,665 --> 01:12:14,565 Nobody could have survived that. Oh my God. . 1763 01:12:16,265 --> 01:12:19,605 So, yeah. So yeah. 1764 01:12:19,605 --> 01:12:21,245 We're trying, we're trying to do stuff Right. 1765 01:12:21,245 --> 01:12:23,805 We're just, you know, we, like, we tried to do 1766 01:12:23,805 --> 01:12:25,285 that April event this year 1767 01:12:25,465 --> 01:12:27,965 and just with everything could not pull it 1768 01:12:28,085 --> 01:12:29,045 - Together. Could not pull it together. 1769 01:12:29,045 --> 01:12:30,085 - There's too much going on. 1770 01:12:30,265 --> 01:12:33,805 And, you know, that's the, that's the nature of it. Mm-Hmm. 1771 01:12:33,845 --> 01:12:36,445 . Now this event, if we decide to do it, 1772 01:12:36,495 --> 01:12:39,325 we're committing 'cause the cost is, is higher, 1773 01:12:39,545 --> 01:12:40,885 you know, it's a, it's an investment. 1774 01:12:40,945 --> 01:12:43,805 Mm-Hmm. . Um, and likely when we'd have to, 1775 01:12:43,805 --> 01:12:45,365 we'll ha we'd have to book a hotel 1776 01:12:45,785 --> 01:12:48,045 and most likely that I tend 1777 01:12:48,045 --> 01:12:50,085 to get the best prices if we buy the non-refundable 1778 01:12:50,365 --> 01:12:51,565 if we're on a budget. 1779 01:12:51,595 --> 01:12:54,485 Yeah. Um, so like yeah, it's an investment. Mm-Hmm. 1780 01:12:54,525 --> 01:12:55,605 we'd have to commit to it. But 1781 01:12:56,065 --> 01:12:57,245 we, we really are trying 1782 01:12:57,645 --> 01:12:58,645 - . 1783 01:12:58,645 --> 01:13:00,165 Yeah. And, and you know, as eventually we'll travel as as, 1784 01:13:00,185 --> 01:13:03,725 as the, the youngest gets older, you know, my hope we, 1785 01:13:03,785 --> 01:13:06,205 we can do, um, something like, 1786 01:13:06,355 --> 01:13:08,485 like FPE at some point God Yeah. 1787 01:13:08,545 --> 01:13:11,005 - For it to be in our own state. And we never gotten to go 1788 01:13:11,385 --> 01:13:12,605 - In, in our, you know, when we, 1789 01:13:12,675 --> 01:13:16,525 when we lived in the Bay Area in our own in our own 1790 01:13:16,525 --> 01:13:17,725 town, I literally lived there. 1791 01:13:18,465 --> 01:13:21,005 We literally lived there. It was in our town 1792 01:13:21,105 --> 01:13:22,125 and we couldn't get there. 1793 01:13:22,405 --> 01:13:24,245 I know. You know, at that point the, 1794 01:13:24,385 --> 01:13:26,205 the kids were too young. , right? 1795 01:13:26,205 --> 01:13:27,805 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the, the child, 1796 01:13:27,825 --> 01:13:29,045 the childcare was not there for it. 1797 01:13:29,045 --> 01:13:30,445 Yeah. Yeah. We just didn't have an option. So 1798 01:13:30,445 --> 01:13:31,445 - Yeah. 1799 01:13:31,445 --> 01:13:32,965 So, you know, and, um, 1800 01:13:35,185 --> 01:13:38,125 master frostbite, uh, something earlier. 1801 01:13:38,625 --> 01:13:41,125 Um, no. Our intention is not 1802 01:13:41,325 --> 01:13:43,925 to be restocking the shop while we are on 1803 01:13:43,925 --> 01:13:45,525 break . No, 1804 01:13:46,035 --> 01:13:48,205 - It's not our intention to do a restock. 1805 01:13:48,355 --> 01:13:50,285 Yeah. But I could still see, 1806 01:13:50,435 --> 01:13:53,245 because we have to get ready for the December 30th event. 1807 01:13:53,455 --> 01:13:55,005 Right. Which means we actually need 1808 01:13:55,005 --> 01:13:56,805 to be restocking this weekend next week, . Right. 1809 01:13:57,225 --> 01:13:58,725 - And - We have, we have a sale 1810 01:13:59,075 --> 01:14:00,765 that starts on the eighth podcast. 1811 01:14:00,765 --> 01:14:02,525 Listeners would've already heard about it. Mm-Hmm. 1812 01:14:02,565 --> 01:14:05,085 because of time travel, live stream watchers, 1813 01:14:05,085 --> 01:14:06,645 YouTube watchers watching on a Thursday. 1814 01:14:07,465 --> 01:14:09,445 It doesn't matter for y'all 'cause it hadn't started yet, 1815 01:14:09,445 --> 01:14:11,245 but we also have a sale coming up, so. 1816 01:14:11,335 --> 01:14:13,765 Right. We do love to, uh, 1817 01:14:15,345 --> 01:14:17,005 do this to ourselves, I think. Yeah. 1818 01:14:17,425 --> 01:14:21,005 - So, you know, but, um, we, we have a plan for restocking. 1819 01:14:21,005 --> 01:14:23,405 Mm-Hmm. and, and keeping things stocked. 1820 01:14:23,425 --> 01:14:25,965 And so far we've been, uh, doing pretty good. Yeah. 1821 01:14:25,965 --> 01:14:27,365 - We've got some things we've gotta work on. Mm-Hmm. 1822 01:14:27,405 --> 01:14:28,365 . But that's 'cause they, we 1823 01:14:28,385 --> 01:14:29,965 had a great black Friday. 1824 01:14:30,075 --> 01:14:31,645 - Yeah. And we sold some shit. 1825 01:14:31,645 --> 01:14:32,645 But, um, between you 1826 01:14:32,645 --> 01:14:34,405 and I, we're we're doing better than we 1827 01:14:34,405 --> 01:14:35,525 have in the past. Yes. 1828 01:14:35,675 --> 01:14:37,885 - Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, 1829 01:14:38,905 --> 01:14:39,885 - You know, so Yeah. Mm-Hmm. 1830 01:14:40,275 --> 01:14:41,605 - There's a lot going on as always. 1831 01:14:41,655 --> 01:14:45,965 There is. Um, yeah. 1832 01:14:46,475 --> 01:14:48,205 Next week give you a little sneak peek 1833 01:14:48,345 --> 01:14:49,565 if you've made it this fucking far. 1834 01:14:49,685 --> 01:14:51,965 I think you deserve it. Our last episode, 1835 01:14:51,985 --> 01:14:56,085 before we go on break, we're doing a Reddit response one. 1836 01:14:56,145 --> 01:14:57,365 I'm gonna go see what I can find. 1837 01:14:57,425 --> 01:14:59,805 If anybody comes across anything that you were like, 1838 01:14:59,945 --> 01:15:01,005 oh yeah, that'll make somebody 1839 01:15:01,075 --> 01:15:02,285 rant, feel free to send it to me. 1840 01:15:02,625 --> 01:15:04,245 Um, 'cause Yeah. 1841 01:15:04,245 --> 01:15:06,645 I was like, let's, let's go out on a fun one. Yeah. 1842 01:15:06,785 --> 01:15:09,445 Uh, and it'll be a knowing us, it'll end up being longer. 1843 01:15:09,685 --> 01:15:10,645 'cause we tend to do that when we 1844 01:15:10,645 --> 01:15:12,005 know we're not gonna be around. Right. 1845 01:15:12,285 --> 01:15:15,565 - . - Um, yeah. 1846 01:15:15,945 --> 01:15:18,165 So I don't think I have anything 1847 01:15:18,165 --> 01:15:19,445 else. Do you have anything else? 1848 01:15:19,725 --> 01:15:20,725 - I think that's, that's about it. 1849 01:15:21,435 --> 01:15:23,805 - Okay. Can I come up with something else? Gimme a second. 1850 01:15:23,805 --> 01:15:25,285 Of course. We're not gonna do that. Yep. 1851 01:15:25,385 --> 01:15:26,805 Uh, we didn't get have time 1852 01:15:27,085 --> 01:15:28,805 'cause everything was we chaos ourselves 1853 01:15:28,905 --> 01:15:30,125 too close to the sun. 1854 01:15:30,505 --> 01:15:32,645 Um, we didn't get time to eat lunch 1855 01:15:32,645 --> 01:15:34,405 before we streamed and I'm hungry now. 1856 01:15:34,465 --> 01:15:35,965 Yep. So we're gonna 1857 01:15:35,965 --> 01:15:38,725 - Go No, your, your order was not too much trouble. 1858 01:15:39,225 --> 01:15:40,765 It just kind of fell in weird 1859 01:15:41,185 --> 01:15:43,885 - For podcast listeners time Andre Aston live chat 1860 01:15:43,885 --> 01:15:45,285 about, uh, his custom order. 1861 01:15:45,285 --> 01:15:47,605 We're not currently doing custom orders during the holidays 1862 01:15:47,605 --> 01:15:49,005 for anybody who's like, oh, you do custom orders. 1863 01:15:49,065 --> 01:15:50,405 Yes. Talk to us in January, 1864 01:15:51,045 --> 01:15:52,045 - , right? 1865 01:15:52,045 --> 01:15:54,405 Yeah. After the first of the year. I'm, I'm happy to talk. 1866 01:15:54,505 --> 01:15:57,045 We right now we are just, yeah. Mm-Hmm. 1867 01:15:57,215 --> 01:15:59,245 We've got a lot going on. I have to do a 1868 01:15:59,245 --> 01:16:00,805 - Massive candle restock. 1869 01:16:01,105 --> 01:16:04,965 Yep. I'm looking at 240 candle containers right now. Mm-Hmm. 1870 01:16:05,005 --> 01:16:06,485 that I have to like, put 1871 01:16:06,485 --> 01:16:08,205 - Some candle on the, the other day I looked at the, uh, 1872 01:16:08,425 --> 01:16:10,565 the, the stack of inlays you handed me 1873 01:16:10,565 --> 01:16:13,285 and I was just like, my jaw dropped . 1874 01:16:15,505 --> 01:16:16,645 - So anyway, we're, see 1875 01:16:16,665 --> 01:16:19,005 how bad we are at leaving 'cause we can find something. 1876 01:16:19,055 --> 01:16:20,605 We're gonna go Mm-Hmm. Yep. 1877 01:16:20,785 --> 01:16:22,245 Uh, thanks for being here with us. Mm-Hmm. 1878 01:16:22,285 --> 01:16:23,925 especially to the bitter end. Um, 1879 01:16:24,665 --> 01:16:25,765 - Thanks for joining us. 1880 01:16:25,905 --> 01:16:27,125 Always happy to have you here. 1881 01:16:27,465 --> 01:16:29,085 - Uh, all of that good stuff. 1882 01:16:29,085 --> 01:16:29,925 Mm-Hmm, , I, I 1883 01:16:29,925 --> 01:16:31,125 lost words right in the middle of that. 1884 01:16:31,175 --> 01:16:33,805 Sorry. Y'all uh, we'll be back next week. Yep. 1885 01:16:33,805 --> 01:16:35,445 We'll have a live stream at the end of that. 1886 01:16:35,645 --> 01:16:37,485 I think that's December 15th. I really think it is. 1887 01:16:37,565 --> 01:16:40,285 I think I remembered that date. Um, so there's still time. 1888 01:16:40,515 --> 01:16:42,725 It's not completely over just yet. . 1889 01:16:42,725 --> 01:16:45,725 Um, but yeah, we're gonna go. Yep. Okay. Love y'all. 1890 01:16:46,025 --> 01:16:46,805 - Bye. Bye.