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You are listening to the Loving B D S M
podcast. Kayla Lord's here with the one,

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the only, the, I don't think
you're quite caffeinated enough,

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but we're getting there. John Brownstone.

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Yeah. I don't think there's
enough caffeine for me today.

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Same. Same. Yeah. Yeah. But that
doesn't mean we can't, you know,

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keep trying to find that level of
enough. That's true enough. Yeah. Uh,

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just means more coffee.

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Okay.

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Right. Exactly. I'm here for it. <laugh>.

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This week we're gonna answer a question
from a submissive who wants to make sure

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that their needs get fulfilled
too in their DSS relationship.

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Welcome to the Loving B D S M
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healthy power exchange relationships.

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notes for this episode, which you
can find@lovingbdsm.net. Okay.

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So this week's question is
simple, straight to the point,

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but a very important question that
I think more people should be asking

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themselves. Uh, the question
says, my husband is a dominant,

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and I am a submissive. He has all
these needs that I want to fulfill,

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but I know as a submissive
I have needs too.

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How do I make sure
those are taken care of?

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That's a question I want every submissive
going forward to ask themselves.

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If you've never asked yourself, well,

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how am I gonna make sure I get what
I need? That is your assignment.

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That is your homework. Go ask
yourself that question. <laugh>.

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I think power exchange relationships
would be a lot better off if both sides of

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the slash were like, yeah, yeah, but,
but how am I gonna get mine too? Right?

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So what are your thoughts?

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Well, it,

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it's a little bit of a generic
question to sound a good question,

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but a generic Yes.

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Question. I agree.

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So I,

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I think what they need to
do first is as a submissive

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need to know what their needs are, right.

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As, as you know them at this point. Right.

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'cause needs can and
will change over time.

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Correct. That that's the first step.
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, next step, um,

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I'm going to use a word that gets
floated around quite a bit. You know,

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it's our.

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Favorite.

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Word. Yeah. Communicate, you know,

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no dominant is a mind
reader and he cannot,

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or they cannot fulfill your needs
unless they know what they are.

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Right?

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Absolutely. So you, you need
to make those needs known. And,

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you know, that need, that should
be part of the negotiation.

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From the very beginning. Right. Here's
what I would like to get out of this.

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Here's what I'm looking for. Here's
what I would like to experience.

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Here's what I'd like to
feel. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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here's what I do not want to experience
or feel or go through or deal with

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all of that. Yeah, absolutely.
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

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Absolutely. So, you know, that that's,
that's the big step towards that.

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Right. And so I have other
thoughts that go beyond that. Okay.

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But let's start there. So in
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sometimes it's easier said than done.
I'm very well aware of that part. Mm-hmm.

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<affirmative> on a personal level
mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, the,

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the thing we often talk about
is speaking to a partner,

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but that is not always easy,

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especially when you're in a new
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communicating in a healthy way.

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Maybe previous relationships or
just previous life experiences,

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you did not feel like you could
say what you needed to say.

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It didn't feel safe to share
your thoughts and opinions or

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for a number of reasons. You just
clam up and you get all anxious,

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or you feel a way every time
you have to express yourself.

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So the thing about communication is
finding what will allow you to express

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yourself in the most
effective but comfortable way.

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So if looking your partner
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these are the things I need
is you're not there yet.

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You still need to communicate your
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my preference early on in our
relationship is writing it down. Mm-hmm.

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<affirmative>,

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I have always felt more comfortable
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word, then saying them out loud.

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I understand the irony right now as
I speak into this microphone. Okay.

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<laugh> <laugh>.

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But there was a time it felt too raw,

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too scary. I was, I made
myself too vulnerable. Too.

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When I had to just say,

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here's the thing I'd like for
you to do to me John Brownstone,

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and here's why I want that thing.
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or here is what I need. I, that was hard.

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So I would write it down and either
email it to 'em. That's early days.

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We were a long distance relationship,
but just send that email.

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And then I had said what I needed
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myself and read it over 50 million
times to make sure it's like,

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this is really what I mean. And then
he could read it on his own time. Now,

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the downside to that kind of
communication is, for me at least,

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I was on pins and needles waiting
<laugh>. I was like, well, C cer,

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surely by now he's read it. Okay, why
haven't I gotten a response? Uhoh,

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I think he might be reading it right
now. I know what his schedule is.

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He's got time right now. Uhoh,
when am I gonna get a response?

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So I did add a level of
anxiety to that, but it worked,

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it allowed me to get my thoughts
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there were a few times you would wake
up in the morning, go to your desk,

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and there'd be.

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A tri folded piece of paper
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that method of communication worked
really well when we were in conflict.

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That way I could say what I needed to
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contact. Um, I know people
who do voice messages and, um,

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and, you know, send voice recordings
mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um,

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whatever works for you
to share your thoughts

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in a way that feels less scary
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eye and going, Hey, here's
what I need. The thing is,

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is the longer you learn that
you can communicate your needs,

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and that person is a safe person
who will honor those needs,

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who will communicate effectively with
you, who is not going to belittle you,

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like whatever your fears are,

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whatever it is that holds you back
from saying the thing to their face,

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eventually you can get
to that point eventually.

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Maybe you don't need to to write a
letter <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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you don't need to send a text.

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Maybe you can sit down and have that
conversation. So that's a big part of it.

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Yeah. We say communicate,
but what does that mean?

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Whatever way effectively
gets your point across. True.

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So do not be afraid to use alternative
methods of having the conversation.

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Just, it, it feels like it's too much.

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The other thing that comes to
mind mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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is this question gets asked a lot,
and we have an upcoming question,

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spoiler alert, that will land on
this side of things where, okay,

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I've expressed my needs, but
they're still not being fulfilled.

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What do I do now? Mm.

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And that to me is about holding each
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we talk, we've done an episode on
accountability links in the places,

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and from a dominant perspective,
accountability is kind of easy. Oh,

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there's a consequence. Oh,
you know, yeah. You know,

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I'm gonna give you the look. I'm
gonna give you a stern voice,

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like whatever it is that resonates with
the submissive. And then they're like,

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oh, maybe I'll change my behavior. You
don't really have that as a submissive,

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but what you do have is the, well, uh,

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I don't have to be your submissive if
you can't do that's true what you say

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you're going to do mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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or if you've made this one-sided and
only your needs get to be fulfilled,

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then what are we doing here? Because
Right. As a submissive, I, you know,

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have every right to get
whatever it is I need.

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And I know many submissives
who will say, well,

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I only want what my dominant wants.

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I'm gonna tell you that I'm
going to assume you're very new.

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You're very new, and, uh, maybe you just
don't know what you want. Yet. <laugh>,

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you have, you have needs, even
if you can't articulate them yet,

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even if you haven't come across them
and seen the example and gone, oh, yeah.

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That I want that. You, you do, you
have your own individual needs.

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I promise. Even if it's as simple as I
want to feel seen, I want to feel heard,

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I want to have my thoughts validated,
I want, you know, you have a need.

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Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, if
you can't articulate it yet,
that stop where we're at.

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Back up. Go back to that
part. That's step one.

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Figure out what you need so that you
have something to tell a partner. Um,

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but if you are doing all of that,

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and then they're not
giving you what you need,

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they're not being an active
participant. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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this is power exchange is a give and
take. Yeah. Um, then that's a problem.

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And sometimes how you hold your partner
accountable is that we're not doing this

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anymore. Now you still have to have
effective communication for that.

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Absolutely. You know,
I'm not a fan of, well,

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I'm just gonna stop doing everything
I said as I would do as a submissive,

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because you're not like,

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we're not gonna just stop everything
and not have a conversation. Yeah.

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What we're gonna do is have a
conversation and I may say, well,

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if you can't participate, and
if I am feeling unfulfilled,

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then I won't do this anymore. I
won't do what I said I would do. Um,

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yes, absolutely <laugh>,
but <laugh>, you know, in a,

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especially in a long-term
relationship, we live together.

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We're looking at one
another. Right. If tomorrow,

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I never had a conversation with you,

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but I was feeling unfulfilled and
I just stopped doing everything.

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I've just blown everything
up. I've created an argument.
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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when maybe a conversation
would have that at.

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That point addressed everything,
it creates more of a problem than.

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Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Um,

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so that is something absolutely to
consider mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um,

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but when it, you know, it's
a constant conversation.

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Even in our relationship, there are
times where I'm feeling really fulfilled.

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I'm getting everything I need.
I'm, I'm feeling good. We're,

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we're rolling along,

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and then life will get in the
way and you get in your head,

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or there's a lot of stress going
on, or for me as a serviceness of,

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I'm doing more of the servicing
than I'm doing anything out.

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So the other parts of me aren't,
you know, getting any attention.

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It is on me to say, Hey, <laugh>, um,

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I can't, I can't pour from an
empty, well, here I can. Exactly.

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Can I get some of what I
need? Sometimes for me,

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that comes out a little whiny. I mean,
I am a baby girl. We are, you know,

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caregiver little, it happens.

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Or even a little sassy.

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Uh, I mean, I don't consider
myself a bratt. I've,

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we've had this conversation in previous
episodes. It, it drove me to tears,

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feeling misunderstood. 'cause I
do not want that label for myself.

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That being said, I understand.

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I walk a line because there have been
a couple times you're like, well,

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you're being like extra sassy. And I'm
like, mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm.

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<affirmative>. Can you imagine
why that might be? Right now,

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<laugh> now is <laugh> is that
effective communication? Maybe?

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Did you know what I meant when I said
what I said <laugh>, then I have,

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uh, communicated effectively at that
point. Um, but it all comes down to that.

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It all comes back to, wait, there's a
problem here. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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whether that problem is,

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I understand that life is happening
and my dominant just doesn't have the

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energy.

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Or I understand that life is happening
and I have taken on more than I used to,

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but whatever is going on, I'm not
getting what I need as a submissive. Um,

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you have to have that conversation. I
don't care how long you've been together,

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I don't care how much
you love one another.

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I don't care how good it is when it's
good. Hey, when it's good for me and jb,

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it's, um, fucking amazing. Okay?
Mm-hmm. <affirmative> true.

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There's a reason we'll walk through
hellfire for one another. Okay. <laugh>.

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But that doesn't mean that when
things get rough, you know,

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the first thing to go
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The second thing to go is any deeper,

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more meaningful power exchange beyond
what is part of our routine. Um,

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I tend to be the watcher
and the one who's like

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on pins and needles.
Like, how do we, you know,

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I don't want this boat to rock too damn
much. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, blame,

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blame my anxiety. It's fine. Um,

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and so I'm usually the
first one to say something,

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but I am also that submissive who
will give and give and give. Oh,

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JB needs this kind of scene, even though
it's not my favorite kind of scene.

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'cause it'll relieve tension. Oh,

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JB needs me for this because he's going
through it and I will give mm-hmm.

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<affirmative> until I'm not sassy.
I'm a fucking bitch. I'm <laugh>,

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I'm done. There's like, what?
Respectful tone. I don't know her.

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Okay. Um.

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Hence the nickname
Scorpio Bitch from Hell.

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<Laugh> <laugh>. I'm not gonna
deny that. I'm not gonna deny that.

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And it just always comes back to, I've
got to say something. I've got to say,

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yes, I understand why some of this has
been put on the back burner. However,

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yeah, I need some of this.

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When we do too many scenes
in a row that focus on j b's

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preferred sensations, I'll like
run a flag up and go, Hey, hey,

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hey, can I, can I, somewhere in here,

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it's still under the purview
of all of your control.

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It's still your decision to make,
but I am telling you I need thud.

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I need the massage like experience. I
need the thing that lets me zen out.

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That is what I need. I'm glad
we're having these moments. Yes,

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I can send to these things mm-hmm.
<affirmative>, but here are my needs.

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In reality, after 10
years of being together,

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that has become a lot easier to do.

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In the early days of our relationship,

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I was still new to learning
how to communicate effectively
and to trust that my

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voice would be heard. Um, and that
was harder. It does get easier,

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but it's a thing you gotta practice.
And so start with writing it down,

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saying it where they can't see you and
you don't have to look at them keeping a

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journal that they get to read. I know
that's a really common one. Mm-hmm.

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<affirmative> with some power
exchange, um, couples. Um,

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but let them know what those needs are.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Because like you said,
they're not a mind reader. No. You're,

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you're dominant is not a mind reader.

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And if you have one of those
dominant partners who goes, well,

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your needs don't matter.
Your needs are my needs,

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and as long as I'm getting what I
want, that's all that matters. No, no.

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Throw that one out. Okay, let's try
again. We'll catch another fish later.

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Toss that one back. That one's no
good. That one's not doing, no. Mm-hmm.

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<affirmative>, that is the person who
thinks that being a dominant means being,

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uh, an asshole who only gets
what they need, <laugh>. Um,

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and no, that's, that's not how any of
this works. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh,

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it is absolutely a give and take. That's
true. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, any, uh,

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closing thoughts from you?

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No, I mean, that's, that's pretty
much it. You know, just, um,

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like I said earlier,
communicate, you know,

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let it be part of the negotiation.
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and, and,

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and work from there and understand
what it is you want. Yeah.

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That's a big part of it. Sometimes, you
know, for newer submissives especially,

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they're like, I want what you want.
Nope, nope, nope. That's fun. And there,

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there's a time and a place for that. And
yeah, I often want whatever JB wants,

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I'm happy with <laugh>. Let me turn
my brain off. This is great. Um,

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but I also have needs, right? And
it is my job to figure that out.

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I've figured out a lot
of them with j b's help,

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that's been part of the fun of
this and, and part of the mm-hmm.

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<affirmative> path and journey. Um, but
it is still my responsibility to go,

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Hey, hi, this is what I need.
This is what I want. Yeah.

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And if you know your partner
won't listen or makes empty

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promises and does not fulfill them,

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then you have to hold them accountable
and Right. That often looks like, okay,

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I guess we can't do this anymore.
And that sucks and that hurts.

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But that is better than staying in an
unfulfilling relationship where you

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grow resentful over time.

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True. True. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

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