1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,019 Welcome to the self help podcast. A weekly 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,039 non autistic guide dedicated to your emotional health 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,779 and well-being 4 00:00:12,634 --> 00:00:14,014 presented by entrepreneur, 5 00:00:14,314 --> 00:00:15,855 Edward Lamb, and psychotherapist, 6 00:00:16,474 --> 00:00:17,295 Shawn Orford. 7 00:00:17,754 --> 00:00:18,654 For more information, 8 00:00:19,035 --> 00:00:20,734 visit live in the present dotco.uk. 9 00:00:25,594 --> 00:00:28,420 Okay. Hello. Welcome to episode 524 of the 10 00:00:28,420 --> 00:00:30,420 self help podcast with me, Ed Lamb. I'm 11 00:00:30,420 --> 00:00:32,100 a good pal, Sean Orford. How are you 12 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200 doing, Sean? I am good. 13 00:00:34,820 --> 00:00:36,679 I am good. Working hard. 14 00:00:37,060 --> 00:00:39,239 Yeah. Yes. I believe. Yeah. You got 15 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:41,700 lots going on. Hey. It's been hard to 16 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:43,059 pin you down in the last week or 17 00:00:43,059 --> 00:00:43,799 2 for 18 00:00:44,234 --> 00:00:46,715 a It's it's it's been a a bit 19 00:00:46,715 --> 00:00:48,335 crazy, a bit crazy. 20 00:00:48,954 --> 00:00:51,034 And then then next week, we're going off 21 00:00:51,034 --> 00:00:51,354 to, 22 00:00:51,994 --> 00:00:53,215 Denmark for 23 00:00:54,075 --> 00:00:55,695 for the week to Copenhagen. 24 00:00:56,570 --> 00:00:58,090 Lovely. Oh, that'd be cool. I look forward 25 00:00:58,090 --> 00:01:00,489 to hearing all about that. Yeah. It's on 26 00:01:00,489 --> 00:01:01,710 my list of, 27 00:01:02,890 --> 00:01:04,810 but, yeah, there's too many places to visit 28 00:01:04,810 --> 00:01:07,709 and not enough time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 29 00:01:08,010 --> 00:01:09,229 But that that's where, 30 00:01:10,245 --> 00:01:11,924 going doing a road trip in a camper 31 00:01:11,924 --> 00:01:13,525 van would be good because you could go 32 00:01:13,525 --> 00:01:14,344 all the way around. 33 00:01:14,965 --> 00:01:17,525 Yeah. That'd be cool. Speaking of which, is 34 00:01:17,525 --> 00:01:19,045 is your van all fixed up? I think 35 00:01:19,045 --> 00:01:20,084 last time we spoke, it was, 36 00:01:21,284 --> 00:01:23,685 it's it's well, it is it's going okay, 37 00:01:23,685 --> 00:01:25,920 but there there's a a grays on the 38 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,019 side that will need to be resprayed. 39 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,140 Oh. 40 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:32,159 Yeah. Some someone back I left parts at 41 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:32,979 the car park. 42 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,519 When I came back, someone had kissed the 43 00:01:35,519 --> 00:01:36,704 side with their car. 44 00:01:37,505 --> 00:01:39,344 And That's what car parks are for. You're 45 00:01:39,344 --> 00:01:41,505 supposed to park in them. But yeah. It 46 00:01:41,505 --> 00:01:43,745 was for Yeah. There you go. I'm sure 47 00:01:43,745 --> 00:01:44,645 it'll buff out. 48 00:01:45,584 --> 00:01:47,265 Well, it might need a bit of filling 49 00:01:47,265 --> 00:01:49,905 than it's from someone else, don't you? Oh, 50 00:01:49,905 --> 00:01:50,405 dear. 51 00:01:51,909 --> 00:01:53,689 Yeah. Well, it's been a busy all week. 52 00:01:55,989 --> 00:01:58,390 Elections, we've got a well, he's not president 53 00:01:58,390 --> 00:01:59,689 yet, is he? But president-elect 54 00:02:00,469 --> 00:02:01,209 Trump President-elect. 55 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:03,989 Yes. Won a decisive victory over in the 56 00:02:03,989 --> 00:02:05,590 United States. So, yeah, what'd you make of 57 00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:07,609 that, man? Pretty, interesting news, 58 00:02:09,324 --> 00:02:11,564 God knows what that means for us in 59 00:02:11,564 --> 00:02:12,064 Europe, 60 00:02:13,564 --> 00:02:15,584 and what that's gonna mean for the 61 00:02:15,884 --> 00:02:16,384 Russian 62 00:02:16,844 --> 00:02:17,905 Ukraine thing. 63 00:02:18,604 --> 00:02:20,685 And, you know, we we only have to 64 00:02:20,685 --> 00:02:23,050 wait and see now, don't we? But if 65 00:02:23,050 --> 00:02:24,030 he's going to 66 00:02:24,490 --> 00:02:26,009 be right wing and a bit kind of 67 00:02:26,009 --> 00:02:27,870 fascist, it's gonna be difficult. 68 00:02:28,969 --> 00:02:29,469 Yeah. 69 00:02:30,889 --> 00:02:32,650 I mean, I'm chuckling about it, but, yeah, 70 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:34,969 it's, Yeah. Yeah. You just gotta laugh from 71 00:02:34,969 --> 00:02:37,594 your bandwidth. Yeah. Crazy times. You have to 72 00:02:37,594 --> 00:02:40,314 laugh to keep from crying. Yeah. People have 73 00:02:40,314 --> 00:02:40,814 spoken. 74 00:02:41,435 --> 00:02:41,935 Yeah. 75 00:02:42,955 --> 00:02:45,034 Decisively as well. It wasn't even well, it 76 00:02:45,034 --> 00:02:46,555 was close in the sense that it was 77 00:02:46,555 --> 00:02:47,055 whatever. 78 00:02:47,435 --> 00:02:47,935 Yeah. 79 00:02:48,394 --> 00:02:50,634 52, 48 was all or something. But the 80 00:02:50,634 --> 00:02:52,400 way that interest in, 81 00:02:53,659 --> 00:02:56,219 electoral system works meant that it was, yeah, 82 00:02:56,219 --> 00:02:57,659 it was over. I woke up the the 83 00:02:57,659 --> 00:02:58,639 morning after, 84 00:02:59,020 --> 00:03:01,259 and, it was pretty much a done deal. 85 00:03:01,259 --> 00:03:03,370 Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. 86 00:03:03,754 --> 00:03:05,194 It were. But we'll find we'll wait and 87 00:03:05,194 --> 00:03:06,715 see till it's a strange system they've got. 88 00:03:06,715 --> 00:03:08,155 So he's been elected, but he doesn't get 89 00:03:08,155 --> 00:03:09,754 to be president for a couple of months. 90 00:03:09,754 --> 00:03:10,415 So, yeah. 91 00:03:11,435 --> 00:03:12,875 Yeah. It's kind of the calm before the 92 00:03:12,875 --> 00:03:13,375 storm, 93 00:03:13,754 --> 00:03:14,254 Yeah. 94 00:03:14,794 --> 00:03:16,635 But that must make it hard for the 95 00:03:16,635 --> 00:03:18,574 person that's having to hand over. 96 00:03:18,875 --> 00:03:20,769 Yeah. Because because they've they've got to then 97 00:03:20,769 --> 00:03:23,110 spend a couple of months knowing that they're 98 00:03:23,329 --> 00:03:25,250 kind of on borrowed time as they were. 99 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:26,610 I know. And I'm not sure if you're 100 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:28,689 able to kinda get a load of rush 101 00:03:28,689 --> 00:03:30,689 a load of things through or whether there's 102 00:03:30,689 --> 00:03:32,150 just no mechanism for 103 00:03:32,625 --> 00:03:34,784 government to kinda work in this time. Or 104 00:03:35,104 --> 00:03:36,944 Maybe that's where you just need to pardon 105 00:03:36,944 --> 00:03:38,784 yourself for all the bad things that you've 106 00:03:38,784 --> 00:03:40,084 done. So legally, 107 00:03:40,384 --> 00:03:41,125 you're pardon. 108 00:03:41,985 --> 00:03:43,504 Anyway but it's gonna give us lots of 109 00:03:43,504 --> 00:03:45,419 ammunition at least for, talking about things 110 00:03:45,979 --> 00:03:46,780 for the next 4 years on on this. 111 00:03:46,780 --> 00:03:48,639 It's gonna be weird, isn't it, Antonya? 112 00:03:49,419 --> 00:03:49,919 Yeah. 113 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:53,819 We will see. We will. But, yeah, we're 114 00:03:53,819 --> 00:03:56,139 we're gonna talk about remembrance today, partly triggered 115 00:03:56,139 --> 00:03:56,800 by the 116 00:03:59,094 --> 00:04:00,534 the the services that we have at this 117 00:04:00,534 --> 00:04:01,814 time of the year in the UK and 118 00:04:01,814 --> 00:04:03,814 across Yeah. A lot of a lot of 119 00:04:03,814 --> 00:04:04,775 the west, really, when, 120 00:04:05,415 --> 00:04:06,334 sort of Yeah. 121 00:04:06,775 --> 00:04:09,194 Wars gone by. I was actually quite fortunate 122 00:04:09,335 --> 00:04:12,215 or honored to I get invited now as 123 00:04:12,215 --> 00:04:14,155 a counsellor to lay a wreath 124 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,060 at 125 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,819 a local church. So 126 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:19,379 on remembrance Sunday, I got to do, 127 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,800 to do that on behalf of, local counsellors 128 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,819 and the Wirral Green Party, which was, 129 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:27,540 really nice. You know? 130 00:04:28,105 --> 00:04:30,444 Yeah. I haven't got fully formed opinions on 131 00:04:30,985 --> 00:04:32,985 war and whether we should shouldn't be going 132 00:04:32,985 --> 00:04:34,425 to war or we should be funding the 133 00:04:34,425 --> 00:04:35,944 military, all that kind of stuff. You know? 134 00:04:35,944 --> 00:04:36,925 The Green Party 135 00:04:37,705 --> 00:04:39,865 has got quite forthright views on kind of 136 00:04:39,944 --> 00:04:42,585 well, it's it's it's sort of changing the 137 00:04:42,585 --> 00:04:44,600 views in terms of as we get bigger. 138 00:04:44,819 --> 00:04:47,459 You know, like, not maybe disbanding NATO and 139 00:04:47,459 --> 00:04:49,720 all that kind of stuff and nuclear disarmament, 140 00:04:51,139 --> 00:04:53,220 all these things that sound quite sensible but 141 00:04:53,220 --> 00:04:54,740 are very hard to do in practice, you 142 00:04:54,740 --> 00:04:55,720 know, when you actually 143 00:04:56,084 --> 00:04:57,845 when you've actually got the the power in 144 00:04:57,845 --> 00:05:00,644 your hands. These are very tricky political decisions. 145 00:05:00,644 --> 00:05:02,725 But anyway, you know, I'm obviously more than 146 00:05:02,725 --> 00:05:03,545 happy to go 147 00:05:03,925 --> 00:05:06,004 and pay my respects to the folks, you 148 00:05:06,004 --> 00:05:08,245 know, family and friends and people who I 149 00:05:08,245 --> 00:05:09,384 didn't even know that 150 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:11,779 sacrificed their lives for so that me and 151 00:05:11,779 --> 00:05:13,379 you could sit here and record this jolly 152 00:05:13,379 --> 00:05:15,160 little podcast thing. Yeah. Yeah. 153 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:17,220 And that that's one of the things, isn't 154 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:18,199 it? It's like, 155 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:19,620 the, 156 00:05:21,379 --> 00:05:24,355 that idea that we only have the kind 157 00:05:24,355 --> 00:05:26,514 of world that we live in because other 158 00:05:26,514 --> 00:05:27,735 people have been prepared 159 00:05:28,274 --> 00:05:29,975 to fight for it, I suppose. 160 00:05:30,355 --> 00:05:30,855 Yeah. 161 00:05:31,235 --> 00:05:31,714 Yeah. 162 00:05:32,355 --> 00:05:34,134 And it it's easy to, 163 00:05:34,834 --> 00:05:36,810 to put things off. But, I mean, if 164 00:05:37,050 --> 00:05:38,810 if the the rest of the world haven't 165 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:39,949 stood up to Hitler, 166 00:05:40,649 --> 00:05:42,430 what would the world be like now? 167 00:05:42,970 --> 00:05:43,470 Yeah. 168 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:45,949 Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. 169 00:05:48,169 --> 00:05:50,435 I mean, this this this Trump's been compared 170 00:05:50,435 --> 00:05:52,754 to him. Not entirely fairly, probably. I don't 171 00:05:52,754 --> 00:05:54,754 think he's got that much smarts, but maybe 172 00:05:54,754 --> 00:05:56,274 some of the people in the background working 173 00:05:56,274 --> 00:05:58,675 with him do. But Mhmm. Yeah. I have 174 00:05:58,675 --> 00:06:01,529 been watching documentaries recently about the rise of 175 00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:04,490 fascism in Germany in the 19 you know, 176 00:06:04,490 --> 00:06:05,230 late twenties 177 00:06:05,769 --> 00:06:07,149 through the thirties. Quite, 178 00:06:07,529 --> 00:06:08,970 it's very scary. Yeah. How it how it 179 00:06:08,970 --> 00:06:10,569 all how it all played out and some 180 00:06:10,569 --> 00:06:11,550 quite little 181 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:14,329 close calls where really key decisions were made 182 00:06:14,329 --> 00:06:16,064 by, you know, 1 or 2 people that 183 00:06:16,144 --> 00:06:18,064 had a massive impact. And if they'd gone 184 00:06:18,064 --> 00:06:18,884 another way 185 00:06:19,425 --> 00:06:21,504 Yeah. The story would have been very different. 186 00:06:21,504 --> 00:06:22,785 But you don't know how things would have 187 00:06:22,785 --> 00:06:24,545 ended up. They might be No. We might 188 00:06:24,545 --> 00:06:26,865 be in a in a worse position now. 189 00:06:26,865 --> 00:06:28,464 You just don't know how the sands of 190 00:06:28,464 --> 00:06:30,805 time play out, do you? No. 191 00:06:31,185 --> 00:06:31,685 No. 192 00:06:32,509 --> 00:06:34,210 And it it's easy to, 193 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:37,310 to project and presume, but you're right. You 194 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:38,850 don't know. Yeah. Yeah. 195 00:06:39,310 --> 00:06:40,370 Yeah. What's remembrance? 196 00:06:41,550 --> 00:06:43,230 What do you mean that at this time 197 00:06:43,230 --> 00:06:44,830 of year, Sean? Because you Well, it it 198 00:06:44,910 --> 00:06:47,230 it's always been a point in time anyway, 199 00:06:47,230 --> 00:06:50,035 I think, because of, when when I was 200 00:06:50,035 --> 00:06:51,794 a a kid, we always went to church, 201 00:06:51,794 --> 00:06:53,735 so it was, like, always a big deal. 202 00:06:54,035 --> 00:06:55,555 And and when I was in the Cubs 203 00:06:55,555 --> 00:06:57,574 and Scouts, we we used to do parades 204 00:06:57,634 --> 00:06:58,854 and all that kind of stuff. 205 00:07:00,035 --> 00:07:00,435 But, 206 00:07:01,899 --> 00:07:03,500 the the big one for me was a 207 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,480 few years ago, my father-in-law, Mike, died, and, 208 00:07:07,579 --> 00:07:08,720 it was on 11th. 209 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:09,920 And, 210 00:07:11,259 --> 00:07:13,040 and I know he died at 2:33 211 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:15,420 because when he died, when he took his 212 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,795 last breath, it really was his last breath, 213 00:07:17,935 --> 00:07:19,295 I looked at my watch and it was 214 00:07:19,295 --> 00:07:20,915 2:33 in the afternoon. 215 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,615 But it was and so each year when 216 00:07:23,615 --> 00:07:24,595 that comes around, 217 00:07:24,975 --> 00:07:26,975 I have my own remembrance. He always used 218 00:07:26,975 --> 00:07:28,194 to like to drink 219 00:07:28,975 --> 00:07:29,714 a a Faustus. 220 00:07:30,939 --> 00:07:31,439 So, 221 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:33,460 I I like to raise a glass to 222 00:07:33,460 --> 00:07:34,639 to Mike at 2:33 223 00:07:34,939 --> 00:07:36,480 if I can on that day. 224 00:07:37,019 --> 00:07:37,519 And, 225 00:07:39,579 --> 00:07:41,819 and and and have that sense of him 226 00:07:41,819 --> 00:07:43,360 being there. It's quite 227 00:07:43,694 --> 00:07:45,294 well. It was quite strange. He used to 228 00:07:45,294 --> 00:07:46,354 smoke rolled cigarettes, 229 00:07:47,055 --> 00:07:48,574 and he sat on the back seat of 230 00:07:48,574 --> 00:07:49,314 our car. 231 00:07:49,854 --> 00:07:52,034 And he didn't smoke in the car, but 232 00:07:52,574 --> 00:07:55,314 there was a smell of cigarettes about it, 233 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:57,889 in this particular smell of rolled cigarettes. And 234 00:07:57,889 --> 00:08:00,449 after he died, we'd be driving along, and 235 00:08:00,449 --> 00:08:02,129 we both looked at each other because it 236 00:08:02,129 --> 00:08:04,850 was as though someone had blown smoke between 237 00:08:04,850 --> 00:08:05,350 us 238 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:07,990 from the back seat. It was really weird. 239 00:08:08,210 --> 00:08:08,529 And, 240 00:08:10,035 --> 00:08:11,715 I was talking to other men's in the 241 00:08:11,715 --> 00:08:14,355 family the other day. And they've had that 242 00:08:14,355 --> 00:08:17,014 experience too if you can smell the smoke. 243 00:08:17,074 --> 00:08:18,435 And it's like, oh my god. Was there 244 00:08:18,435 --> 00:08:20,435 a smell of smoke? And it's almost as 245 00:08:20,435 --> 00:08:20,935 though 246 00:08:21,555 --> 00:08:23,014 it's it's like a visitation. 247 00:08:23,395 --> 00:08:25,629 Like, he's come to say, hello. It's cold 248 00:08:25,629 --> 00:08:28,990 it's cold sun. And here, you know, it's 249 00:08:28,990 --> 00:08:30,910 weird. Yeah. Well, I know I guess and 250 00:08:30,910 --> 00:08:33,149 I guess, it was, you know, really poignant 251 00:08:33,149 --> 00:08:34,990 service on Sunday at church that I went 252 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:35,389 to. And, 253 00:08:37,309 --> 00:08:38,850 it's interesting how humans, 254 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:40,769 you know, we we create these 255 00:08:41,445 --> 00:08:44,165 rituals and these little times in our lives. 256 00:08:44,165 --> 00:08:45,684 You know, we we we don't have to 257 00:08:45,684 --> 00:08:46,725 do it this time of year. You can 258 00:08:46,725 --> 00:08:48,024 do it at any time for 259 00:08:48,565 --> 00:08:50,485 loved ones or friends and family you've lost. 260 00:08:50,485 --> 00:08:52,004 But we it's like we do we we 261 00:08:52,004 --> 00:08:53,919 we create these little rituals, don't we, to 262 00:08:53,919 --> 00:08:56,000 kind of force ourselves to kind of remember 263 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,660 people, to look at photographs, to tell stories. 264 00:08:59,279 --> 00:08:59,779 Yeah. 265 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:00,960 And, 266 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,320 yeah, it's amazing, you know. The the the 267 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,320 point where they a a load of names 268 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,945 and addresses were read out of people that 269 00:09:08,945 --> 00:09:10,945 died in World War 1 and 2, I 270 00:09:10,945 --> 00:09:12,404 think, that lived locally. 271 00:09:14,065 --> 00:09:15,504 And, you know, these are streets that I'm 272 00:09:15,504 --> 00:09:16,004 still 273 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:18,865 walking and riding and driving through and knocking 274 00:09:18,865 --> 00:09:21,585 on doors sometimes. And Yeah. So it's quite 275 00:09:21,585 --> 00:09:25,120 poignant, really. Mhmm. Yeah. We're she's taught me 276 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,340 how we create these little 277 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,740 Yeah. Like, this type of rituals. 278 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,679 But but it it feels like in some 279 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,740 ways, it there is an importance in remembering 280 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,995 those that have gone. Oh, yeah. You know? 281 00:09:39,495 --> 00:09:40,714 And whether that means 282 00:09:41,095 --> 00:09:44,134 that it is a Remembrance Day, like like 283 00:09:44,134 --> 00:09:45,355 the Remembrance Sunday, 284 00:09:45,735 --> 00:09:47,834 or whether it is that we have, 285 00:09:48,294 --> 00:09:50,794 you know, celebrations and we mark 286 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:54,480 the policy of of people that have been, 287 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:57,679 close and meaningful than our lives, not just 288 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,500 relatives. They could be, you know, people that 289 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,480 that we need to remember for who they 290 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,779 are and what they did. 291 00:10:04,674 --> 00:10:06,995 Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, like, well, you've 292 00:10:06,995 --> 00:10:08,595 you've written in your blog post about how 293 00:10:08,595 --> 00:10:10,054 death is inevitable. And 294 00:10:10,355 --> 00:10:11,174 Yeah. Death 295 00:10:11,715 --> 00:10:14,274 can be can, you know, in terms of 296 00:10:14,274 --> 00:10:16,274 our reaction to it, it can be very 297 00:10:16,514 --> 00:10:18,434 I've got I've got had an an elderly 298 00:10:18,434 --> 00:10:19,735 relative pass away 299 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:21,019 quite recently, 300 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:23,000 and I've got a funeral to go to 301 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:23,980 in a few weeks. 302 00:10:24,839 --> 00:10:25,339 But 303 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:27,399 because they were so old, you know, well, 304 00:10:27,399 --> 00:10:28,779 well, well into the nineties, 305 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,360 the feeling is very much, you know, one 306 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,184 of sort of celebration and 307 00:10:35,144 --> 00:10:36,825 how they'd had such a good innings, you 308 00:10:36,825 --> 00:10:39,325 know. Oh, they had a good run. Whereas 309 00:10:39,384 --> 00:10:41,945 if someone passes away much earlier in life 310 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:43,945 as you've experienced and you write about, then 311 00:10:43,945 --> 00:10:44,445 it's 312 00:10:44,825 --> 00:10:46,264 a it's a different kind of grief and 313 00:10:46,264 --> 00:10:48,424 a different kind of remembrance, isn't it? Yeah. 314 00:10:48,424 --> 00:10:51,110 Yeah. Yeah. And there is some some sense 315 00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:51,610 about, 316 00:10:52,629 --> 00:10:54,549 it's kind of fair when people are old 317 00:10:54,549 --> 00:10:56,470 and they die, but it's not fair when 318 00:10:56,470 --> 00:10:57,690 they're young and they die. 319 00:10:58,149 --> 00:10:58,649 Yeah. 320 00:10:59,190 --> 00:11:02,409 And it's, it is a certainly a very 321 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:03,690 strange experience 322 00:11:04,625 --> 00:11:06,304 because then there is that thing, like I 323 00:11:06,304 --> 00:11:08,644 say, about if someone dies, are they dead? 324 00:11:09,184 --> 00:11:11,024 Mhmm. You know what I mean? Does do 325 00:11:11,024 --> 00:11:13,205 do they live on after the body's stopped? 326 00:11:14,945 --> 00:11:16,544 And we know of us will truly know 327 00:11:16,544 --> 00:11:18,644 something about that if we got there. 328 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,540 If yeah. No. 329 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,240 And remembrance can take different forms. Like, my 330 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:24,700 old bless her, my grandma, 331 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,840 who passed away a few years ago now, 332 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,279 she's, like, a very vibrant person. And Yeah. 333 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,080 It is it is almost as if she's 334 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,379 still with us, actually, because 335 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,040 we have some stuff 336 00:11:34,625 --> 00:11:36,384 bits and pieces in our house that she 337 00:11:36,384 --> 00:11:37,904 had in her house. You know, we've got 338 00:11:37,904 --> 00:11:38,485 a mural, 339 00:11:39,105 --> 00:11:40,945 my son's bedroom. We've got a little coffee 340 00:11:40,945 --> 00:11:42,704 table which has got some other bits and 341 00:11:42,704 --> 00:11:44,304 bobs of hers. So it's like she's still 342 00:11:44,304 --> 00:11:47,039 with us, weirdly. And Yeah. I was watching 343 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:49,039 a video back at the weekend of when 344 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:51,620 we first got Cooper, our little dog here. 345 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,120 Mhmm. And when we introduced him to my 346 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,340 sister and her kids, 347 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:58,720 I filmed it. And my grandma was was 348 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,559 there. She came up the driveway, the pathway 349 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:01,379 to the house. 350 00:12:02,195 --> 00:12:04,115 So she's in this little video. So we 351 00:12:04,115 --> 00:12:04,995 were watching that and, 352 00:12:05,875 --> 00:12:08,035 it's it's strange. Yeah. It's like it's like 353 00:12:08,035 --> 00:12:10,274 she's still around really. It's it's weird. Yeah. 354 00:12:10,274 --> 00:12:11,335 But I and I guess 355 00:12:11,875 --> 00:12:14,195 with modern technology and the amount of photos 356 00:12:14,195 --> 00:12:15,794 and videos we take and the amount of 357 00:12:15,794 --> 00:12:17,575 stuff we share on social media, 358 00:12:19,529 --> 00:12:21,769 Yeah. It is easier maybe to kind of 359 00:12:21,769 --> 00:12:23,370 keep hold of people and keep all the 360 00:12:23,370 --> 00:12:25,709 memories and that that feeling, wouldn't you say? 361 00:12:26,329 --> 00:12:27,629 I think so. Yes. 362 00:12:28,250 --> 00:12:29,610 But the thing that we have to be 363 00:12:29,610 --> 00:12:32,009 careful of, when you had photographs as as 364 00:12:32,009 --> 00:12:32,509 solid 365 00:12:33,014 --> 00:12:33,514 practical 366 00:12:34,134 --> 00:12:36,934 objects, they're still around. You know, when something 367 00:12:36,934 --> 00:12:39,095 is digital, it can be deleted. Oh my 368 00:12:39,095 --> 00:12:41,754 god. It's gone. Yep. You know? 369 00:12:42,055 --> 00:12:43,495 Well, it's a good tip to get some 370 00:12:43,495 --> 00:12:45,860 printouts done every now and again, which I'm 371 00:12:45,860 --> 00:12:48,259 not that great at. My father-in-law is brilliant. 372 00:12:48,259 --> 00:12:49,459 I kinda take the Mickey out of him 373 00:12:49,459 --> 00:12:50,740 because as soon as we've been on a 374 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:52,360 holiday or had a nice day out, 375 00:12:53,299 --> 00:12:55,220 he's back home and he's printing a photo 376 00:12:55,220 --> 00:12:56,039 for the wall. 377 00:12:57,139 --> 00:12:59,555 But Fair Play, like, it it's it's you 378 00:12:59,555 --> 00:13:01,715 know, if the Internet goes down or, you 379 00:13:01,715 --> 00:13:02,215 know, 380 00:13:02,675 --> 00:13:04,434 photos can just get lost in the stream 381 00:13:04,434 --> 00:13:07,075 of thousands of other pictures of Yeah. Yeah. 382 00:13:07,475 --> 00:13:08,855 God knows what. You know? 383 00:13:09,555 --> 00:13:11,335 You you you've either got to do backups 384 00:13:11,795 --> 00:13:13,254 on discs or sticks 385 00:13:13,769 --> 00:13:16,430 or, or you gotta print them. Yeah. Yeah. 386 00:13:16,649 --> 00:13:18,170 I know. I do like to try and 387 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:20,090 as a Christmas present and we're we're approaching 388 00:13:20,090 --> 00:13:21,769 Christmas, I do like to try and buy 389 00:13:21,769 --> 00:13:22,269 a 390 00:13:22,730 --> 00:13:24,410 create one of those photo books that you 391 00:13:24,410 --> 00:13:25,950 can do quite easily now online, 392 00:13:27,195 --> 00:13:28,794 either of just what we've been up to 393 00:13:28,794 --> 00:13:31,115 through the year or maybe a specific holiday 394 00:13:31,115 --> 00:13:32,794 or, you know, the summer, that kind of 395 00:13:32,794 --> 00:13:35,615 thing. So Yeah. That's another good way of 396 00:13:35,995 --> 00:13:37,934 Yeah. Hold holding on to memories. 397 00:13:38,475 --> 00:13:38,975 Yeah. 398 00:13:39,754 --> 00:13:40,575 Yeah. Simple. 399 00:13:42,190 --> 00:13:42,690 Yeah. 400 00:13:43,070 --> 00:13:45,009 Yeah. But I was just thinking about remembrance 401 00:13:45,309 --> 00:13:47,950 Sunday in particular in well, 11th November in 402 00:13:47,950 --> 00:13:49,970 the UK and Armistice Day and all that. 403 00:13:51,070 --> 00:13:52,929 Do you think it's a little bit bittersweet 404 00:13:52,990 --> 00:13:55,309 that we kinda celebrate not not not celebrate, 405 00:13:55,309 --> 00:13:56,450 that we take the time 406 00:13:57,654 --> 00:13:59,495 that we that that kind of war and 407 00:13:59,495 --> 00:14:01,975 destruction has forced us into to this. I'm 408 00:14:01,975 --> 00:14:04,134 just I'm just trying to get to get 409 00:14:04,134 --> 00:14:06,875 some thoughts out about how such an unbelievably, 410 00:14:07,174 --> 00:14:08,794 like, tragic set of events 411 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:10,750 has forced us to kind 412 00:14:11,529 --> 00:14:13,290 of take the time to remember our loved 413 00:14:13,290 --> 00:14:15,050 ones. You know, like, we should be better 414 00:14:15,050 --> 00:14:17,450 naturally at kind of, making that time without 415 00:14:17,450 --> 00:14:19,769 having to, like, see millions of people killed 416 00:14:19,769 --> 00:14:20,429 and injured. 417 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:23,470 Oh, yeah. I mean, I I think that 418 00:14:23,985 --> 00:14:26,705 we live in a strange world where pain 419 00:14:26,705 --> 00:14:29,285 and violence and suffering is an everyday event, 420 00:14:30,705 --> 00:14:33,345 which seems crazy. Why should we do that? 421 00:14:33,345 --> 00:14:34,325 But we do it. 422 00:14:35,264 --> 00:14:36,965 I think that the thing is, 423 00:14:37,899 --> 00:14:40,000 and and this is one of the problems 424 00:14:40,059 --> 00:14:43,019 in all kinds of conflict, is that if 425 00:14:43,019 --> 00:14:44,240 you're the aggressor 426 00:14:45,419 --> 00:14:46,720 and you you get 427 00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:48,320 you get beaten, 428 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:49,600 then, 429 00:14:50,540 --> 00:14:51,200 you know, 430 00:14:52,184 --> 00:14:53,785 what have you got to kind of moan 431 00:14:53,785 --> 00:14:54,285 about? 432 00:14:54,985 --> 00:14:56,205 If you're the, 433 00:14:57,304 --> 00:14:59,865 the person who has been attacked and you 434 00:14:59,865 --> 00:15:02,044 defend yourselves and and you 435 00:15:03,625 --> 00:15:04,605 you give the 436 00:15:06,309 --> 00:15:07,370 the originators 437 00:15:08,709 --> 00:15:11,429 a good sorting out, then, you know, do 438 00:15:11,429 --> 00:15:13,529 you have something to celebrate? I don't know. 439 00:15:13,669 --> 00:15:15,589 I don't know. I mean, it's like when 440 00:15:15,589 --> 00:15:17,990 you look at the Middle East and you 441 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:20,089 look alike, there's one set of events 442 00:15:20,404 --> 00:15:22,165 and then it's followed by another set of 443 00:15:22,165 --> 00:15:23,304 events. And it's like, 444 00:15:24,004 --> 00:15:25,764 if the first one didn't happen, the second 445 00:15:25,764 --> 00:15:27,445 one wouldn't happen. The third one is like 446 00:15:27,684 --> 00:15:29,845 it's it's they're echoes of each other down 447 00:15:29,845 --> 00:15:32,325 the line, aren't they? Yeah. You know? And 448 00:15:32,325 --> 00:15:33,764 it's like, if we didn't do it in 449 00:15:33,764 --> 00:15:35,365 the first place, well, like, when do you 450 00:15:35,365 --> 00:15:35,865 stop? 451 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:38,419 When do you actually stop 452 00:15:38,879 --> 00:15:39,620 the conflict? 453 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,080 You know? So I I can go to 454 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,139 Germany now, 455 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:46,019 and it's fine. But a few years ago, 456 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:49,220 not that long ago, really, in living memory, 457 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,799 you know, it was like, well, no. You 458 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:52,524 can't go there. Yeah. 459 00:15:53,304 --> 00:15:54,985 I guess maybe part of the poignancy of 460 00:15:54,985 --> 00:15:56,904 looking back on, like, the the other because, 461 00:15:56,904 --> 00:15:58,424 you know, you see on the the TV, 462 00:15:58,424 --> 00:16:00,445 the kind of the processions at, 463 00:16:01,785 --> 00:16:04,345 Whitehall in London and well, and and local 464 00:16:04,345 --> 00:16:06,504 services where there's kind of a diminishing number 465 00:16:06,504 --> 00:16:08,209 of older folks that, you know, 466 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:10,269 with the badges on there, 467 00:16:10,750 --> 00:16:13,549 all the medals displayed proudly. So Mhmm. That 468 00:16:13,549 --> 00:16:15,250 that generation is kind of 469 00:16:15,629 --> 00:16:17,549 yeah. It's it's disappearing, isn't it? So that's 470 00:16:17,549 --> 00:16:18,370 gonna be 471 00:16:18,750 --> 00:16:20,589 quite strange, really, I guess, when those older 472 00:16:20,589 --> 00:16:23,615 folks that Yeah. I don't know. Are are 473 00:16:23,754 --> 00:16:26,335 there anyone left from the First World War 474 00:16:26,634 --> 00:16:28,014 while there's still people around? 475 00:16:28,634 --> 00:16:30,174 Yeah. Good point. I guess 476 00:16:31,115 --> 00:16:33,754 there might be a very small handful, yeah, 477 00:16:33,754 --> 00:16:35,274 of work from the First World War, I 478 00:16:35,274 --> 00:16:38,029 guess. Yeah. But there there'll be a 100 479 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:40,410 plus, I would think. Well, over a 100. 480 00:16:40,410 --> 00:16:41,309 Yeah. Yeah. 481 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:43,850 I mean, that's assuming they were born right 482 00:16:43,850 --> 00:16:45,210 at the end of it as well. So 483 00:16:45,610 --> 00:16:46,110 Yeah. 484 00:16:46,889 --> 00:16:48,809 Gosh. But, yeah, there's there's a bit of 485 00:16:48,809 --> 00:16:50,490 poignancy there, isn't it, that we kind of 486 00:16:50,490 --> 00:16:51,309 lose in that 487 00:16:51,794 --> 00:16:53,714 generation. I haven't seen any this year, but 488 00:16:53,714 --> 00:16:56,054 it's always quite interesting to hear those folks 489 00:16:56,195 --> 00:16:57,335 that really fought 490 00:16:58,115 --> 00:17:01,075 or to, in particular, like, talk about it 491 00:17:01,075 --> 00:17:01,894 and tryna 492 00:17:02,274 --> 00:17:03,735 quite often, they'll kind of 493 00:17:04,035 --> 00:17:04,694 be quite, 494 00:17:07,309 --> 00:17:09,390 like, articulate about how awful it was and 495 00:17:09,390 --> 00:17:11,390 how we shouldn't do we should go, like, 496 00:17:11,390 --> 00:17:13,970 nowhere fucking anywhere near that kind of 497 00:17:14,509 --> 00:17:16,850 thing again if we can possibly avoid it. 498 00:17:16,910 --> 00:17:19,090 Mhmm. Because it was it was that horrendous. 499 00:17:19,150 --> 00:17:19,809 You know? 500 00:17:20,115 --> 00:17:22,434 Yeah. Yeah. I bet you can understand, can't 501 00:17:22,434 --> 00:17:23,575 you? I mean, that whole 502 00:17:23,954 --> 00:17:24,934 and you see it 503 00:17:25,315 --> 00:17:28,694 in what's going on in, in Gaza now 504 00:17:29,875 --> 00:17:32,055 when when an area's been bombed 505 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:35,350 and and the people are so distressed and 506 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:36,410 bodies are buried 507 00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:38,730 and, you know, I mean, it's horrendous. 508 00:17:39,509 --> 00:17:42,549 Yeah. It's shocking. So, And and the but 509 00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:44,549 the predominant thing for me in my, if 510 00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:46,070 we all look after each other, we'll all 511 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:47,450 be alright attitude 512 00:17:47,934 --> 00:17:49,934 It's like, why do we end up in 513 00:17:49,934 --> 00:17:52,674 these situations? What on earth is the point? 514 00:17:54,015 --> 00:17:55,855 You know, in the end, it doesn't serve 515 00:17:55,855 --> 00:17:56,355 anybody. 516 00:17:56,974 --> 00:17:57,474 Yeah. 517 00:17:58,255 --> 00:17:59,855 You know? All you all you do is 518 00:17:59,855 --> 00:18:01,394 create more and more pain 519 00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:04,549 and and tell people, ah, you know, they've 520 00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:06,150 had enough, and then they don't do it 521 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:06,650 anymore. 522 00:18:07,349 --> 00:18:10,309 Yeah. Trying to think there's a Marx Brothers 523 00:18:10,309 --> 00:18:12,869 movie called Duck Soup, classic one from the, 524 00:18:12,869 --> 00:18:14,630 well, thirties, I think. It was one of 525 00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:16,409 their maybe early forties, but, 526 00:18:17,585 --> 00:18:19,105 where Greg Sherr is, like, this head of 527 00:18:19,105 --> 00:18:21,424 state. And, he I think he declares war 528 00:18:21,424 --> 00:18:22,164 on his 529 00:18:22,625 --> 00:18:24,224 this fella he doesn't like too much because 530 00:18:24,224 --> 00:18:25,984 he gets called an upstart or something like 531 00:18:25,984 --> 00:18:26,484 that, 532 00:18:26,865 --> 00:18:28,484 and he slaps him with a glove. 533 00:18:28,865 --> 00:18:30,085 So, yeah. 534 00:18:30,649 --> 00:18:32,329 In fact, yeah, my history is pretty shocking, 535 00:18:32,329 --> 00:18:33,529 to be honest, but I think World War 536 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:34,809 1 was a bit of a dodgy one 537 00:18:34,809 --> 00:18:36,509 in terms of how that started. Like, 538 00:18:36,889 --> 00:18:39,210 really kind of strange set of circumstances that 539 00:18:39,210 --> 00:18:42,190 led to a pretty, well, horrific conflict. 540 00:18:43,634 --> 00:18:45,815 But I I think a lot of conflicts 541 00:18:46,195 --> 00:18:46,275 are, 542 00:18:49,634 --> 00:18:51,894 it's like the conflicts are self imposed. 543 00:18:52,515 --> 00:18:53,894 Mhmm. You know? 544 00:18:54,595 --> 00:18:56,674 I don't support any of the stuff on 545 00:18:56,674 --> 00:18:58,195 either side in, 546 00:18:59,289 --> 00:19:02,190 in the Middle East crisis that's going on. 547 00:19:02,569 --> 00:19:05,150 But when the the guys went into Israel 548 00:19:05,289 --> 00:19:07,950 and they killed and kidnapped people, 549 00:19:09,049 --> 00:19:11,309 what did they expect was going to happen? 550 00:19:11,765 --> 00:19:13,705 It's like you can act surprised 551 00:19:14,085 --> 00:19:15,545 because the Israelis 552 00:19:15,845 --> 00:19:16,345 responded, 553 00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:19,525 and whether or not you agree there is 554 00:19:19,924 --> 00:19:22,485 Israelis being there is neither here nor there 555 00:19:22,485 --> 00:19:24,985 to me. If you do something, 556 00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:27,849 why are you surprised when there's a response? 557 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:30,970 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I couldn't understand that. 558 00:19:31,349 --> 00:19:33,269 I mean, yeah, my my little perspective from 559 00:19:33,269 --> 00:19:34,730 local politics is that, 560 00:19:35,589 --> 00:19:36,970 it's almost as if 561 00:19:37,525 --> 00:19:39,605 our political systems are kind of set up 562 00:19:39,605 --> 00:19:41,684 for conflict. There's there's so little chance for 563 00:19:41,684 --> 00:19:42,664 resolution and 564 00:19:43,605 --> 00:19:45,924 mediation. Even in local politics when we're just 565 00:19:45,924 --> 00:19:48,644 talking about really mundane stuff like bins and, 566 00:19:49,924 --> 00:19:52,005 the dreaded cycle lanes, that kind of thing, 567 00:19:52,005 --> 00:19:52,825 it's the 568 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:55,130 the ways that we're allowed to communicate 569 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:58,250 with with our fellow opposition councilors 570 00:19:59,029 --> 00:20:01,849 in full council is just, it's quite frustrating 571 00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:04,230 because you're not you know, you're given 3 572 00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:05,750 minutes to talk and you're not allowed to 573 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:07,269 respond, or you can't just stand up and 574 00:20:07,269 --> 00:20:09,325 say something, or you you can't If you've 575 00:20:09,325 --> 00:20:11,644 already said one thing, you can't generally talk 576 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:13,345 again. So there's no chance for 577 00:20:13,965 --> 00:20:14,625 a conversation, 578 00:20:15,404 --> 00:20:17,404 and it does they get quite heated, and 579 00:20:17,404 --> 00:20:19,164 they get you know, everyone gets their backs 580 00:20:19,164 --> 00:20:21,325 up quite quickly, including me sometimes. I'm trying 581 00:20:21,325 --> 00:20:22,785 to avoid it myself. But, 582 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:26,299 you know, and that's just a local council. 583 00:20:26,299 --> 00:20:28,960 So, obviously, a a national global scale, 584 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:33,019 is obviously fairly fairly similar and that the 585 00:20:33,019 --> 00:20:34,319 mechanisms for discussion 586 00:20:34,619 --> 00:20:36,539 are are not healthy. So maybe I need 587 00:20:36,539 --> 00:20:37,819 to get right in there and try and 588 00:20:37,819 --> 00:20:39,644 sort it all out. Yeah. 589 00:20:40,184 --> 00:20:40,825 But if, 590 00:20:41,545 --> 00:20:44,125 people were allowed to have those full conversations 591 00:20:44,345 --> 00:20:46,664 other than 3 minutes and go, would things 592 00:20:46,664 --> 00:20:47,404 get resolved? 593 00:20:48,505 --> 00:20:49,785 I don't know. I mean, there's a lot, 594 00:20:49,785 --> 00:20:52,345 obviously, of pre discussions and after. You know? 595 00:20:52,345 --> 00:20:53,884 So there's there's people in council 596 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:57,400 that I'll speak to very amicably before 597 00:20:57,700 --> 00:21:00,100 the meeting starts, or I'll maybe I'll send 598 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:02,119 them text messages or emails and we'll 599 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:03,859 but then as soon as the kind of 600 00:21:03,859 --> 00:21:06,340 the the theater begins and the the hammer 601 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:08,420 comes down or whatever, then, you know, you've 602 00:21:08,420 --> 00:21:10,454 gotta change tack a little bit and talk 603 00:21:10,454 --> 00:21:12,154 a different way. And Yeah. 604 00:21:12,775 --> 00:21:14,535 You gotta make your points and you gotta 605 00:21:14,535 --> 00:21:16,855 embarrass people sometimes, that kind of thing. So, 606 00:21:17,015 --> 00:21:17,414 it's, 607 00:21:18,775 --> 00:21:20,615 yeah. Politics is a big part of it, 608 00:21:20,615 --> 00:21:21,095 innit? 609 00:21:21,654 --> 00:21:23,275 Of of war and conflict. 610 00:21:23,815 --> 00:21:24,779 But yeah. 611 00:21:25,259 --> 00:21:27,660 Mhmm. We're we're gonna get get 4 years 612 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:28,160 of 613 00:21:28,619 --> 00:21:30,940 Donald Trump now to see how, yeah, to 614 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:32,619 see how he handles it this time around. 615 00:21:32,619 --> 00:21:32,779 And, 616 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,299 but, yeah, I do I do remember that 617 00:21:36,299 --> 00:21:37,980 first 4 year term he had, and it 618 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:40,335 was just it was exhausting. Maybe that was 619 00:21:40,335 --> 00:21:40,835 part 620 00:21:41,295 --> 00:21:42,975 of the part of the ploy, but there 621 00:21:42,975 --> 00:21:45,455 was just so much news and scandal coming 622 00:21:45,455 --> 00:21:47,134 out every day that it just it just 623 00:21:47,134 --> 00:21:49,134 really wound ground me down a little bit. 624 00:21:49,134 --> 00:21:50,994 So let's see how it goes this time. 625 00:21:51,609 --> 00:21:52,109 Yeah. 626 00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:52,990 Yeah. 627 00:21:53,369 --> 00:21:56,029 So how do you think that he has, 628 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:57,869 shown himself 629 00:21:59,049 --> 00:21:59,950 since his, 630 00:22:00,730 --> 00:22:02,970 victory? Do you think as as he do 631 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:05,484 you think he's been kind of strutting his 632 00:22:05,484 --> 00:22:07,105 stuff and like, aren't I lovely? 633 00:22:07,484 --> 00:22:08,845 A little bit. Yeah. I think he I 634 00:22:08,845 --> 00:22:10,845 mean, in his initial speech, he did talk 635 00:22:10,845 --> 00:22:12,464 about healing the nation, 636 00:22:13,085 --> 00:22:14,464 which I found quite interesting. 637 00:22:15,565 --> 00:22:17,325 It does seem different this time whether whether 638 00:22:17,325 --> 00:22:18,464 it's just because he knows 639 00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:20,950 he knows the system a bit more. He 640 00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:22,710 knows what to expect when he gets in 641 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:23,369 in office. 642 00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:26,069 Mhmm. And he maybe I think he'll probably 643 00:22:26,069 --> 00:22:27,670 run a bit of a slicker operation and 644 00:22:27,670 --> 00:22:30,250 maybe not quite as not quite as, 645 00:22:31,670 --> 00:22:32,650 yeah, dramatic. 646 00:22:33,910 --> 00:22:34,410 But 647 00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:36,274 time will tell. You know? 648 00:22:36,734 --> 00:22:39,315 He's I mean, he's he's won fair play. 649 00:22:39,694 --> 00:22:40,194 Yeah. 650 00:22:40,734 --> 00:22:42,994 Now we live with the consequences, don't we? 651 00:22:44,014 --> 00:22:45,855 Yeah. It's gonna be quite interesting. But like 652 00:22:45,855 --> 00:22:46,674 I say, well, 653 00:22:47,089 --> 00:22:48,849 lots of ammunition to talk about stuff on 654 00:22:48,849 --> 00:22:50,470 this show for a while. Yeah. 655 00:22:51,329 --> 00:22:53,730 Yeah. Yeah. But but it it is. We're 656 00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:55,650 talking about life, aren't we? And it's real 657 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:57,570 action. It's happening right in front of us 658 00:22:57,570 --> 00:22:59,990 right now. I know. You know? And, 659 00:23:00,494 --> 00:23:02,994 I I think that the whole issue about 660 00:23:03,375 --> 00:23:05,315 what happens in Ukraine, 661 00:23:06,894 --> 00:23:10,095 will be quite relevant to what he's doing 662 00:23:10,095 --> 00:23:12,575 because he's he's full of, I could stop 663 00:23:12,575 --> 00:23:14,809 this in one day and all this kind 664 00:23:14,809 --> 00:23:16,430 of stuff. You know? But 665 00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:19,070 to whose advantage or disadvantage 666 00:23:19,529 --> 00:23:20,589 could it be stopped? 667 00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:22,910 Exactly. Well, we'll see. 668 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:24,349 Yeah. Alright. 669 00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:26,250 Have you got a resource for the week, 670 00:23:26,250 --> 00:23:26,750 Sean? 671 00:23:27,894 --> 00:23:28,394 No. 672 00:23:28,855 --> 00:23:31,174 My I think that that what I would 673 00:23:31,174 --> 00:23:32,394 suggest to people 674 00:23:32,695 --> 00:23:34,075 in terms of a resource 675 00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:35,434 is the idea 676 00:23:36,134 --> 00:23:37,355 of looking at 677 00:23:37,654 --> 00:23:39,035 what is your remembrance. 678 00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:42,410 You know, I you know, what's actually going 679 00:23:42,410 --> 00:23:44,350 on in in your world? 680 00:23:44,809 --> 00:23:46,910 And it's like I I have the remembrance 681 00:23:47,049 --> 00:23:48,750 of the the loss of my son, 682 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:52,970 who went on my birthday, which was good. 683 00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:55,275 So I get this double bang each year. 684 00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:56,714 And, 685 00:23:58,075 --> 00:24:00,154 we've all got them. You know, at some 686 00:24:00,154 --> 00:24:02,234 point, you lose your parents. You might lose 687 00:24:02,234 --> 00:24:02,734 siblings, 688 00:24:03,674 --> 00:24:06,075 you know, uncles, aunties, all kinds of people 689 00:24:06,075 --> 00:24:09,214 that were perhaps very poignant in your life. 690 00:24:09,515 --> 00:24:10,015 Dogs? 691 00:24:10,539 --> 00:24:13,339 Yeah. Dog indeed. Dogs. Yeah. Pets. Yeah. Lip 692 00:24:13,339 --> 00:24:16,640 and egg. Yeah. And and to me, like, 693 00:24:17,579 --> 00:24:19,599 a pet like that isn't 694 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:21,900 an animal. It's a person. It's part of 695 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:23,234 the family. Well, 696 00:24:23,615 --> 00:24:25,054 yeah, I said it jokingly. But, yeah, I 697 00:24:25,054 --> 00:24:26,434 know. I was in the bakery, 698 00:24:27,375 --> 00:24:29,134 the weekend, and the lady was just in 699 00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:30,894 front of me and, the people behind the 700 00:24:30,894 --> 00:24:33,454 till, obviously, she was a regular. And they 701 00:24:33,454 --> 00:24:35,980 said, oh, where's your dog? Whatever. Marjorie, whatever 702 00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:37,579 her name was. And she burst into tears 703 00:24:37,579 --> 00:24:39,019 because the the dog had passed away that 704 00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:40,000 week. Oh. 705 00:24:40,619 --> 00:24:43,339 Yeah. So Oh, it's not good. Yeah. But 706 00:24:43,339 --> 00:24:45,259 I felt it. I felt the pain. But, 707 00:24:45,819 --> 00:24:48,000 Yeah. Yeah. I know loss loss can take 708 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:49,775 many forms, can't they? And, 709 00:24:50,414 --> 00:24:52,835 so good remembrance, I guess. Yeah. 710 00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:56,035 And and I think the the important thing 711 00:24:56,174 --> 00:24:58,115 for us, especially as Brits, 712 00:24:58,575 --> 00:25:00,095 is that we don't just sit on it 713 00:25:00,095 --> 00:25:01,109 and hide it. 714 00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:04,230 Yeah. You know, that we actually are are 715 00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:06,230 open enough to share it and let it 716 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:06,730 go 717 00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:09,509 Yeah. Rather than than being terribly British and 718 00:25:09,509 --> 00:25:12,789 holding on. Yeah. I agree. I think that's 719 00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:16,404 important. Yeah. Alright. Cool. Cheers, Sean. Well, Okay. 720 00:25:16,545 --> 00:25:18,404 You take care. Keep smiling. 721 00:25:18,705 --> 00:25:20,625 So I'm away next week in, 722 00:25:21,424 --> 00:25:23,205 Denmark. I'll bring you back to Sykorok. 723 00:25:23,664 --> 00:25:24,164 Right. 724 00:25:24,705 --> 00:25:25,205 And 725 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:27,559 see you in the week after. Yeah? Have 726 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:29,580 a great time. Alright. Yep. Take care. 727 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,059 See you now. Bye. Bye.