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Okay. Hello. Welcome to your episode.
Episode 518 of the self help podcast with
me at lamb and we could pile shaun
off with you alright shaun. I am. So
a few little technical issues there before we
got started? Yeah. And how do we fix
it? We turned it off and we turned
it back on again. There you go. The...
When doubt. Is there an advice there, or
anything we can when technology tends to appreciate
that. Does it work for human beings? It
does that's what they did with my heart
when it would work. They said we'll stop
it and start at the again cardio version.
What's the worst that could happen? Yeah. It
doesn't start again. But that it did work
first time.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Plumbing computers. So good when they work.
Yeah. Way this thing works 99 percent of
the time. But
when they don't... It's the right fa, Ai.
But, what we're talking about today Sean on
truth and lies,
Yeah. I'd I've I've had so many
people.
Collectively and individually.
Talking about the the fact that
we've just had the election. And also told
about the election in France, it seems to
kicks a lot of people here.
But people saying they're all effing liars,
and they promise all this stuff, and they
won't deliver anyway.
And and Kia Would come out and said
they were gonna build so many houses in,
whatever time. Yep. And then everybody, the I
spoken to.
I can't find anybody that is gonna yeah,
That's good idea. They're saying well it's all
bloody lies because they won't do it. And
then and then when they do, they've got
this
and releasing plots to build them. They're gonna
release all the lovely green lands and and
all the brown land that be just left.
You know, there was... Excuse me while. Coffee
machine switches off. Yeah.
So
yeah. We've found a general elections since the
last 1 that we're gonna talk about
the future of the Uk and yeah. You
know, I'm a
small scale local politician myself. So I'll add
my little perspective on. Yeah. How, I do
my best to tell the truth at all
times. Yeah.
Yeah. But before that, I live in the
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Life's been crazy hasn't... It's been hectic tech
and that. I know and I keep thinking
it or get.
A bit more simple. And I think it's
probably, you know, 678 years. We've been doing
this. We we keep
regular listeners will know that we've probably been
hoping for
peace and quiet in our lives for a
long time. But... Yeah. It doesn't come. Does
it no? No. Gosh.
No. 1 1 set of issues up another
And then you you go and get elected
and,
and I.
Oh, yeah. Works working your way up to
me the promo. And I just do this
for a couple of years, and then then
then we can chill out and like, oh,
no. I want this mud merry go round.
Okay.
Anyway, but, yeah, Clearly before we start, you
posted something into your Facebook.
Oh, in the week I saw about an
anniversary Percy pig. Yeah. Interesting because and 6
of
July,
2 years ago,
I had the mitral valve in my heart
replaced, which is all lost of fun.
And if it wasn't percy pig contributing that
valve, I wouldn't be here. Nope. And that
was really weird because I I was veggie
at the time.
And it was really odd to make that
decision to agree to have that vow.
Vegetarian. Right? Yeah.
But yeah. Well, you're not ingesting it. Are
you?
But you're still... It's... I mean, Percy sell
to give up his life to give me
the valves. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Vegetarians not
have, like, blood transfusion or do they go?
Some some will be really? Well They were
haven't been. I mean, I ended up I
to have 6 units of blood and so
Was I had no pigs blood. No people.
It could've have been.
And put in
and had to have the new valve. Yeah.
And
my blood count was so low.
That I ended up eating meat again, and
it's... I to get what your iron levels
are for or good goodness no. And I...
I'm at a point at the moment where
I'm, especially with the anniversary of Percy day.
Yep. I'm thinking, should I go back to
being veggie again? I do it.
I'm, I'm going through those kind of internal
conflicts. At least you're here with us to
have those kind of your to go through
all that stuff.
Yeah. I thought I'd be with Percy. Where
the person.
Yeah chatting out with him. Yeah. I wonder
what percy he's up to. But, yeah. No
1 consistently here. 2 years since the operation,
which means it's probably about
2 and 8 years. Well,
you on the downward spiral for 6 months
a year before that 1, yeah. I I
had I didn't realize why Had a background
sepsis that turned into gosh. I remember that
remember you were in amsterdam and you were
just... Oh, god. Yeah. You're right old. Yeah.
I mean, little behind ended up falling off
a bike. You did Yeah. Do we you
did... You ever tell it? You a better
half about that or Man and we kept
under us.
And we stopped at a junction there doing
week. And I just follow. And you just
went sideways and Yeah. Laughed it off and
got back up. Yeah. But you're in bed
every night but like 06:00 man. I was...
I I I've didn't wear how ill wasn't
until lot wallet. We did a... I put
you through a lot of walking that hole
at that Was a holiday. It was work,
but we were. Yeah. Yeah. We were just
that taken in the city. Right? Yeah. It
was good good Need to going again. We
should go again. Now you've got a new
heart Yeah. Part of your cardio
rehabilitation should be... Yeah. But I start
Helping think Started Cardio, rehab now. Right? Which
is good. Well, you go, Speak rehab and
say, Yeah. Getting to pay for some trade
tickets to yeah sit down again. Yeah. Go
or go and we live it. Can we
take our own bikes at so. Well, I
wish just hire them when over there?
Good to those bikes Yeah yeah
Yeah. Yeah. Alright. We we should do that?
That'd be a laugh.
Anyway, truth and I. So, yeah. Tell tell
us the
gist of your part you have your blog
post. It's just for the
where we seem to be at a point
in our,
our
social life. Mh. Where nobody believes anything anybody
says anymore. And like these politicians come out
and say what they say.
And
a few people will follow them because they're
followers
Yep. But the majority of people present whether
they're all liars on there. So they just
lie. You know. But then when you you
get into it with them, they then say,
well, you know, like, the managers of the
same, you know, where I work and
you. Yeah. What, the people do. You okay?
Yeah. And all, or you got politics. You've
got business, You got social media,
and it's... And and the attitude since being
loved everyone's just for a bullshit.
You know, And they say you can't believe.
You know I was gonna say anything else
Yeah. And you can't believe it. I don't
know. We, you know, Our green party counselor.
For those that don't know and
we did a lot of campaigning price of
the election in Be, and the new constituency
of Broken head where we thought we had
a semi decent chance of making a dent.
You know. We came a strong second, by
the way,
greens, which is pretty cool. Exciting. Good.
But, yeah. You know, when you're out and
about
local politics and national politics a bit different
because... Yeah. Yeah. Your local counselor
should be a bit more hands are and
a bit more, you know, you, you know,
every little hedge in every little pavement that
needs fix it. And
I feel like local counsel has perhaps have
a
slightly better reputation in terms of, you know,
trying to be out there and help in
where I think can. Not all, but that's
certainly we try and do. But, you know,
They'll there'll be people that
dislike me. And in fact,
when I got elected, so we got a
very good in my ward, we were the
highest,
polling candidates across all the world.
But even that, I think it was 45
percent turnout
on for the local election of people that
could vote,
less than half did. And then of the
people that did vote,
maybe only
30, 40 percent voted for for us or
50 percent. So, like, a quarter of the
people who can vote in Bev,
Did vote for us Mh for me, which
isn't
twin... It's not massive visit.
But, I mean, yeah. So who knows what
our reputation is a lot of people won't
even know,
that I exist. And,
we were... I was away for the general
election result night I was working down in
exeter. So I was in a pub
watching the exit poll
with a load of academics just doing some
work with them.
So we went to the pub? And someone
of our group went to the
the bar
staff and said, can you put the tele
on so we can watch the big result?
Or
and but there was 2 or 3 members
of the bar stuff and none of them
knew what we were talking about, Like, what
you mean? What results? And they were like,
oh, we said up with the election, you
know, a big the exit paul in 10
minutes, and they were like, oh, is that
today?
Crazy Like, what what planet you living on
and part of that is it's funny, but
it's also,
you know,
maybe they don't have a hype
reputation of politicians. But if you don't even
know there's a woman election on. What right
do you do we have to
complain about, you know, the lack of trust
because off off people don't even know it's
going up. And
it's crackers. Crazy. So we got some work
to do don't we? Yeah. To rebuild trust.
Yeah.
But but the idea about, and,
if you're a young person, and you're brought
up in a world the where you're told.
That you can't actually believe anything anybody says.
Mh. You know, what does that mean for
teachers for... I mean, obviously, politicians.
But do you assume everybody appears on the
screen he's just talking Bullshit or... Yeah. I
hope not because that's quite a poisonous thing
isn't it that can well it has been
working way through society for a for a
while and,
it's not healthy.
But what we've had some stunning examples. Someone,
obviously, you got the putin's and people like
that. But with Donald Trump. And it's like
all the legal technicalities around him. Yeah. And
then what we we had Bo ourselves and
all those interesting and things about party game
and stuff like that. Yep. And and when
you're in a situation where someone at that
level,
and we'll create a rule that you've gotta
follow. Yeah. And they'll do exactly the opposite.
You know,
Can you believe people? Can you trust people?
I know.
We're living in times where we're talking about
change and
Yeah. For a lot of this stuff and
people don't react well to change all that
well often. And I guess, the tricky part
that we have now thinking environment is that
we have to make a lot of change
very quickly.
Massive scale, you know, population level stuff. So
but the problem that we have is that
if we can't trust the people
that are telling these things.
How do we know what to do? Yeah.
Especially if you're a younger person?
And someone saying, you know, we need to
do this to say at the planet is
the device in the back of your head
thinking and us know, bubbles. I wonder know
what they're gonna get out of it.
And I mean, that's the problem. Mh. And
and it's like, if you think about it,
add all the public figures around.
Who would you say? Well, yes, there were
really trustworthy for only person. They're a good
person. You could trust them?
And I think that's quite hard at the
moment.
It it's tricky.
I think it's probably overstated. You know, most
folks that I meet within the council are
pretty good on the whole. I've just had
an email
about some
Tory who's trying to kick up a fuss
about a cycle lane,
so which is
frustrating me somewhat. I need to formulated good
response to that.
Sorry to... But, you know, but I know
it's pop very popular to Bash on tori
now about geez, meant they're so annoying. Some
of them. Yeah.
Can you trust anything that they say. But
that's all can I start it you say?
Well for because we're rid of the tory
now aren't we, you know, and that was
a big part of the election for a
lot of people when I was doing knocking,
they just wanted to rid the tory, you
know, whatever it took because like him or
not.
I think people just wanted a change. And
in fact, that was the labour party. Name
Motto was near a change.
But it's changed gonna be enough because... Yeah.
Okay. It's not just enough to get rid
of someone else. You've gotta have your own
vision in your own.
And a lot of frustration for left leaning
folks the that the green party has been
pulling in is that
the labor message wasn't strong enough. And they're
not gonna be delivering. They're not honest enough
about the environment. They're not delivering enough change
in terms of social justice and But but
it... If you look at the processes going
across the world where the world is moving
towards the right. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the
kind of fascist thing that happened before the
war. Yeah. Heard about that. Yeah. Yeah
And
when when when I look at,
I don't know whether it was Far ar
lot that did for the conservatives. He would
claim it is. And his his voice saying
we're gonna come out of the labour party
next.
Now,
if people believe raj because he makes a
lot of noise.
And could be more plausible than the others
people like Kia
required wouldn't Mh in their presentation. You know,
does that mean that people will go with
hours.
Yeah. So we move further to the right.
And and then Yeah. That creates the conflict.
That creates wars to me.
Historically when I look at it. Yeah.
There's a show I need. I think it's
only... I I play at the moment about
the rise of the Nazis, and it's focusing
it's focusing on that. 20 years before World
or 2 kicked off period. I've been told
to watch it because it's quite pre in
terms of where we are at the moment.
So... Yeah,
you know, I'm not 1 of those kinda
necessarily jumping on the Kia awful bandwagon. You
know, He had a tactic. He worked
can hopefully, you can stabilize things with his
team. I think I think it it is
down to everything that you set up at
this point. Fabulous It's okay. What you're gonna
do now. Yeah. I actually seeing what happens.
And I only know that over time. Yeah.
It's been felt quite interesting in the first
few days since and the put appointments made
in messaging that's been sent out. From my
point of view, it's been okay. That's quite
cool. Yeah. At least it seems sort of,
like, the grown ups are in charge in
some way. And Mh really interested that.
Appointment.
The prisons minister, mister Tim is it, the
the businessman who owns Tim,
you know, Cobb isn't and lung.
He's... I don't... I didn't... Wasn't aware prior
to it, but he's got quite an interesting
in prison service and how we...
I think that they actually Tim
provide
working, experiencing things for people coming out present?
Yeah. I think they do a lot of
that kind of
some stuff. So he's talking a lot about
he has in the past.
About how he wants to reduce the pressure
on the prisons by having fewer prisoners, you
know, and not being so obsessed with punishments.
And, you know,
retribution against people over. It it interesting because
I I worked in both the prison service
and high security forensic psychiatry.
And the amount of times, I would be
in the prisons, and and the people that
were in there inmates. Many of them were
really
psychiatric
associations. There should have been in hospital not
in prison. Yeah. I can't remember the proportion
be. I think that's why he said roughly,
a third people, are are in prison need
to be in prison. You know? Another. Another
nerds. Yeah. Need to be in some sort
of health care, and then it third probably
don't need to be in prison, and they
can be out in society, you know, keep,
being kept an eye on and Yeah. You
know. But they're allowed to live with their
kids and their families and their, Yeah. They're
kept an eye on them looked after. A
bit more. But but the amount of therapeutic
need for people and prisons is huge. It's
just not that. Mh. You know, and to
be banged up, that 1 of the places
I was, and they would bang the prisoners
up for 23 hours a day. Mh. You
know, they were allowed out to empty their
toilet pots.
And they were allowed out for an hour's
exercise and to get their food. But I
mean, effectively,
that was it. Yeah. I guess that kind
of... It was talk... I heard it talk
about that culture of punishment in the Uk
and how we're... We're a bit of obsessed
on aren't we... You know the closest to
countries too about. Punishing people that do wrong,
whether that's children being, you know, smack or
or people that have, you know, committed crime
being sent jail, you know, and serving their
time rather than sometimes children don't respond well
to being in hit a a lot of
the time.
Sometimes people that, I don't know, could stolen
something, the the the best thing isn't for
them to go to jail. You're gonna make
it you're gonna make the problem worse, You
know? I I think that the question that
we don't ask,
and we don't ask for lots of of
reasons, but it's like, when someone does something,
We look at what they've done and we're...
We we react to that rather than looking
at why did they do it? Yeah.
What was it that led them doing that
thing. Absolutely.
And I'm not suggesting that we find excuses
for people.
But we might find reasons, which help us
solve the problem.
Hope so. Hopefully, we'll get
about, you know, some deeper level of thinking.
And
we're we're a strange little Island down for
of fascinating people.
And we'll see.
But, yeah. Go back to the kind of
mandate thing about my own story, but
I mean Ke And his team and men
and women,
were, I think they got 36 percent of
the votes and they but stick got 60
percent of the seats. Thanks to our.
Which, I mean, I'll be few and if
I was a well, a green party.
We got 8 percent of the vote, and
we got, like, 1 percent of seats. So...
And... But it's even more pre pronounced for
reform who got
14, 15 percent and 5 seats. So
Of... Our voting system and
how we distribute the power is a bit...
Did do you think that the first pass
to post system doesn't work. Oh, and it
should be proportionate
representation mean, it works for for a certain.
Do they delivers strong governments? Doesn't it a
lot of the time. Mh. But, no. It's
not fair. And I think we're 1 of
the only countries in the world that still
stick cling onto to it. But we're won
the only countries in the world that has
seats that opposite each other in parliament and...
Yeah. Most places are a whole show. Yeah.
No. I think we needed fundamental restructure of
and of that. And you wonder how that
would impact on
the public's
perception of power and, you know, trust in
poll in politicians.
I don't. I mean, plenty of other the
countries have
that, you know, a proportional
system, but there's dis still hate politicians and
politics and
I I can remember going around the houses
parliament
and
when I the answer. And it was the
the red lines in front of each of
the seats and saying to the the guy.
What what those? And he said, those are
the lines where you're not allowed to cross
to separate the 2 2 boxes. So why
do you separate Those lines are 2 so
lengths apart. Oh yeah. So they couldn't kill
each other. They run now to go that.
Yeah.
Which is a real kind of
confrontation parliament. Isn't it... It is... Yeah.
Yep. But we are where we are aren't
me, but... I mean, is there hope you
think in the coming years? Or do you
think can you see things just spiraling more
and more out control? Or... I... What 1
of my fears is that we go back
into a third world war kind of scenario,
which could be quite devastating.
Yes. I would have thought so. Yeah. Because
what... You know, if you forget the people
and think of it of the weapons,
and people pressing buttons. Mh. You know, what
would be that far towards may be sane,
but it may be a huge reduction in
the population?
I don't know. I don't know. I yeah.
That should been a of very scary thought,
but, I mean, But I I think that
the more
that people can tell the truth.
And the more than people can believe that
they're telling the truth then the more sanity
we're gonna have. Yeah.
And it... And that's the thing is that
I I suppose the issue is we talk
about wires and the wide lies and all
round kinds up. But it's like,
you know,
individually, are we all honest And if we're
dishonest, are we dishonest because,
we're trying to be nice to people? Yep.
You know, it's like when your wife comes
down and says, what my bum look like
and the this. Do you say it looks
like it's gonna bought out the sun? Or
do you say it looks absolute fabulous Okay?
You know, what what do you say?
Yeah. We've done... We have... I'll trying to
link to some old shows where we've talked
about truth and lies and Yeah. And from
a more bike. Yeah.
Relationship point of view that kind of. But,
yeah,
and I've talked as well about how it's
been fascinating in watching my kids grow older
and
how early in life they
they kind of realize that you that you
can tell little white lies to try and
get away with something or to get your
own way or
you know, got
my kids have got friends that live close
by, so you can see that sometimes they
try and play parents off each other in
terms of
can I start? Can I sleep over a
thing goes tonight? His mom said it alright,
and then... But
she actually hasn't maybe. But
they we say that. Okay. If it's alright
with them, tell them it's fine with us,
and then they go back to the other
parent and say, ed Edge mom, dad says
it's fine to sleep over. Can we stay
over tonight? And then...
Yeah. And then he texted the pair iranian
like, hang on They just... They've just completely
done
fair plate.
But, yeah, kids kids learn stuff fairly early
on. Don't think? But is that what we're
talking about? Who are they learning it from?
They've learning it from their friends? Okay? They're
gonna learn it from? And
their parents.
Are they gonna learn it sort of siblings?
Are they gonna learn it from the media?
Yeah. You know? Yeah. But they get lessons
of being caught out as well on
I think there was 1 when My son
had just started to be... We've given him
a bit more freedom to go out on
his bike and, you know, it's be a
bit further afield, and we'd asked him where
he'd been
because we were a bit suspicious.
And he said. I've just been around it.
So it's so his house not far.
And my mom had been out in her
car and seen, like, him quite far from
home, busted, you know, I was quite proud
of him actually because he was being God.
He was looking
stopped across the road and all that. But
he can't much further than than he was
allowed to. And we were we busted rumble
them, and it was fun and then kinda
watching
she realized we knew
where he'd been spotted and him trying to
backtrack and get out of it. You know,
sometimes
politicians are
grown up get caught out. Don't they we
can, tell him little white lies, and then
it's fascinating watching
the kinda of lies and unravel and,
I was just doing this
Didn't mean to us. So... Yeah. Yeah. We
learn the consequences doing. Yeah. It and it's
interesting for me having worked in the Middle
East.
And the example always was. I heard it
said those times. You could leave your phone
on the park bench.
And come back in 2 hours, and it
would still be there because the people didn't
seal.
And
terms of, like, that level honesty
what they would say is the reason they
didn't steal was that if they didn't, they
got caught, they get their hand cut off.
Yeah. Therefore they didn't do it. Lots a
different kind of, yeah, punishment
around it. Okay. But but but that that
idea about, you know, you you you were
saying earlier on about how we can be
quite strict about things.
Is it that if you have that strict
that people do comply? Yeah. Know noble that's
again as matt as a fair... That's an
awful fourteenth and even contemplate like. That's another
way of doing it. And, you know, it's
1 way of getting results, I guess, isn't
it, But Yeah. It'd be interesting to see
if we go down that roots in the
Uk. It doesn't look like it at the
moment at least, but maybe Yeah. Who knows
what the future holds.
Of
Okay. You've you got anything to sum up
with then? Or do you wanna... No. No.
I mean, I I think that, 1 thing
that we're gonna know about
our current set of politicians, or there any
different any the others is that let's see
whether they are people of their word.
And they actually do what they say. Yeah.
I've been seeing a lot of interviews with
the fresh batch, A lot of them are...
Yeah. I think there's about 300 brand new
Mps or something like that. Yeah. Way more
than usual. So there's a lot of old
experience gone actually, which is interesting, and then
there's a lot of fresh faced
folks that hopefully, will bring new ideas and
energy. Mh.
And it'll be interesting to see how they've
built up against the system, which is you
know, from experiences a local council that can
be quite frustrating. Yep. Because you come up
against these rules and these... I we can't
do that yet. Oh, no. We not gonna
take years to do that any night. What?
Hopefully, they can break through some of that
and, you, push things on. So I wish
them well. Yeah. Those and I think that
the other thing is maybe we need some
listen to ourselves
and be honest with ourselves. Yep.
And my my
results for the week is is going read
19 84. This is Joel Joel well. Yep.
Classic. Yeah.
And I think that does tell us a
lot about us now. Yep. Mh Mh. I'll
over read up for a long time. So
I'll have a look at that.
Okay. Cool. Happy.
I'm always happy. It's my middle name. Alright
right now am I telling this through. Oh,
0, yeah. Your eyes say something different
Alright. I'll see you next week. Okay. Take
care. Bye. See you.