WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.240 - Hey. If you think Leading Saints is just 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:06.960 - a podcast, well, that's a big mistake. We 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:08.960 - are so much more than a podcast. We've 4 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:11.939 - established online a Leading Saints community. 5 00:00:12.275 --> 00:00:15.014 - That's right. If you go to leadingsaints.org/zion, 6 00:00:15.074 --> 00:00:17.574 - you'll be pushed towards a community online where 7 00:00:17.635 --> 00:00:19.875 - the discussion is really happening. Sure. You're gonna 8 00:00:19.875 --> 00:00:21.554 - listen to this episode. You'll get some great 9 00:00:21.554 --> 00:00:23.814 - tips and ideas and hear a thought provoking 10 00:00:23.954 --> 00:00:27.250 - discussion, but the conversation doesn't end there. We, 11 00:00:27.410 --> 00:00:29.970 - go over to the leading saints community and 12 00:00:29.970 --> 00:00:31.570 - talk further there. You can make comments. 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What are we trying to do 25 00:00:59.379 --> 00:01:00.920 - here with this podcast? 26 00:01:01.219 --> 00:01:03.299 - Well, let me explain. Leading Saints is a 27 00:01:03.299 --> 00:01:06.019 - nonprofit organization, a five zero one c three 28 00:01:06.019 --> 00:01:08.305 - is what they call it, and we have 29 00:01:08.305 --> 00:01:08.884 - a mission 30 00:01:09.265 --> 00:01:11.665 - to help Latter day Saints be better prepared 31 00:01:11.665 --> 00:01:13.825 - to lead. Now, of course, often means in 32 00:01:13.825 --> 00:01:15.664 - the context of a calling. It may mean 33 00:01:15.664 --> 00:01:18.084 - in your local community, your work assignments. 34 00:01:18.465 --> 00:01:20.644 - We've heard about our content influencing 35 00:01:20.969 --> 00:01:22.969 - all sorts of leaders in all sorts of 36 00:01:22.969 --> 00:01:25.130 - different contexts. We invite you to listen to 37 00:01:25.130 --> 00:01:27.130 - this episode and maybe a few others of 38 00:01:27.130 --> 00:01:29.530 - our 500 plus episodes that we have out 39 00:01:29.530 --> 00:01:32.170 - there. Jump in and begin to learn and 40 00:01:32.170 --> 00:01:34.170 - begin to consider some of these principles we 41 00:01:34.170 --> 00:01:36.109 - talk about on the Leading Saints podcast. 42 00:01:36.525 --> 00:01:37.984 - Here we go. 43 00:01:40.284 --> 00:01:42.445 - Everyone in this episode, we talk with James 44 00:01:42.445 --> 00:01:45.645 - Fletcher who is just a rock star of 45 00:01:45.645 --> 00:01:47.564 - a leader. I know he wouldn't admit that 46 00:01:47.564 --> 00:01:50.445 - himself, but he's been in the Leading Saints 47 00:01:50.445 --> 00:01:53.750 - world. Actually, this is almost a follow-up of, 48 00:01:54.150 --> 00:01:56.469 - initial interview we did with him... Interview we 49 00:01:56.469 --> 00:01:59.030 - did with him last year, talking about some 50 00:01:59.030 --> 00:02:01.909 - of his youth focuses efforts in his ward. 51 00:02:01.909 --> 00:02:04.890 - But he has such a unique approach to 52 00:02:05.030 --> 00:02:08.170 - his experience as a bishop in the church 53 00:02:08.604 --> 00:02:10.925 - in Mapleton, Utah. And I wanna bring him 54 00:02:10.925 --> 00:02:13.185 - back in and we talking about so many 55 00:02:13.405 --> 00:02:15.485 - more leadership principles that I think you will 56 00:02:15.485 --> 00:02:17.405 - benefit from and this is one to to 57 00:02:17.405 --> 00:02:20.384 - share with other leaders is recognizing the inefficiencies 58 00:02:21.110 --> 00:02:22.870 - of being a leader, that we wanna dial 59 00:02:22.870 --> 00:02:24.870 - it in. We want the programs to work 60 00:02:24.870 --> 00:02:27.750 - at high octane and just seeing dramatic change, 61 00:02:27.750 --> 00:02:30.069 - but it's this one by one leadership as 62 00:02:30.069 --> 00:02:32.330 - we've learned from elder Bednar and others that 63 00:02:32.389 --> 00:02:34.844 - sometimes doesn't feel as efficient, but is the 64 00:02:34.844 --> 00:02:37.645 - most long lasting and connecting. And so you'll 65 00:02:37.645 --> 00:02:38.145 - appreciate 66 00:02:38.525 --> 00:02:41.165 - so many principles that bishop Fletcher teaches in 67 00:02:41.165 --> 00:02:43.405 - this interview. Let's jump into it. My interview 68 00:02:43.405 --> 00:02:44.705 - with James Fletcher. 69 00:02:52.930 --> 00:02:54.770 - Alright, James. Welcome back to the podcast. It's 70 00:02:54.770 --> 00:02:56.370 - an honor to be back, Kurt. Well, cool. 71 00:02:56.370 --> 00:02:57.510 - And maybe summarize 72 00:02:57.810 --> 00:02:59.969 - those that did missed... We'll link to our 73 00:02:59.969 --> 00:03:02.305 - initial interview, but maybe just give us a 74 00:03:02.305 --> 00:03:03.665 - quick summary of what we talked about then 75 00:03:03.665 --> 00:03:06.145 - and kinda launch us off. Last time we 76 00:03:06.145 --> 00:03:08.305 - talked about youth, I had been called as 77 00:03:08.305 --> 00:03:11.185 - a bishop fairly recently, talked about working with 78 00:03:11.185 --> 00:03:13.104 - youth, but a lot of the conversation before 79 00:03:13.104 --> 00:03:15.284 - was about Young Investors Society, 80 00:03:15.585 --> 00:03:17.125 - my experience working with 81 00:03:17.460 --> 00:03:19.219 - youth all across the world. We're in 80 82 00:03:19.219 --> 00:03:21.860 - countries around the world, 15,000 kids a year, 83 00:03:21.860 --> 00:03:22.840 - and just how 84 00:03:23.219 --> 00:03:26.759 - I've seen inspiring youth, keeping them engaged, 85 00:03:27.219 --> 00:03:29.460 - helping them learn. So we talked a lot 86 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:31.254 - about the youth, and it was a wonderful 87 00:03:31.254 --> 00:03:33.335 - conversation. And, Kurt, just to start off, I'm 88 00:03:33.335 --> 00:03:36.694 - a... I'm... We've developed friendship. Yeah. And I'm 89 00:03:36.694 --> 00:03:39.115 - a longtime fan of Leading Saints, 90 00:03:39.495 --> 00:03:41.354 - and just the work you do is incredible. 91 00:03:41.414 --> 00:03:43.594 - I'm so honored to be here. Yeah. And 92 00:03:43.810 --> 00:03:46.769 - there are millions of leaders every week that 93 00:03:46.769 --> 00:03:48.930 - are benefited and blessed by what you do 94 00:03:48.930 --> 00:03:51.250 - here. So so grateful. Well, awesome. I appreciate 95 00:03:51.250 --> 00:03:51.810 - that. And, 96 00:03:52.370 --> 00:03:55.090 - wouldn't be as effective without awesome guests like 97 00:03:55.090 --> 00:03:57.590 - this. So I'm excited to continue our conversation 98 00:03:57.650 --> 00:03:59.444 - and see what else we could learn because 99 00:03:59.444 --> 00:04:01.284 - you are still the bishop. Yep. You're... Still 100 00:04:01.284 --> 00:04:03.444 - serious bishop. And and I appreciate just the... 101 00:04:03.444 --> 00:04:04.885 - I don't know. I'd maybe frame it as, 102 00:04:04.885 --> 00:04:07.545 - like, you're just that, like, Zion Building 103 00:04:08.004 --> 00:04:10.085 - type of bishop, right, where, you know, you 104 00:04:10.085 --> 00:04:12.185 - want an effective word. You want people to 105 00:04:12.325 --> 00:04:15.310 - enjoy that experience, but, also, you see maybe 106 00:04:15.310 --> 00:04:15.889 - a broader 107 00:04:16.350 --> 00:04:18.269 - mission and vision to what you're doing? And 108 00:04:18.269 --> 00:04:19.790 - I think there's a lot just to hear 109 00:04:19.790 --> 00:04:21.430 - from your experience and some of these principles 110 00:04:21.430 --> 00:04:23.790 - will be be helpful. So where's a good 111 00:04:23.790 --> 00:04:26.110 - starting off point for our discussion? Yeah. I 112 00:04:26.110 --> 00:04:28.604 - mean, you mentioned Zion Building, and I love 113 00:04:28.604 --> 00:04:30.444 - all that you're doing with with Zion Labs 114 00:04:30.444 --> 00:04:32.305 - as well. You know, I think 115 00:04:32.764 --> 00:04:35.964 - one serving in any any church capacity and 116 00:04:35.964 --> 00:04:38.704 - calling is such a beautiful experience because you're 117 00:04:38.764 --> 00:04:41.460 - putting yourself in the savior's shoes, and you're 118 00:04:41.460 --> 00:04:44.420 - always asking yourself, what would the savior do 119 00:04:44.420 --> 00:04:46.420 - and what would he say at this moment? 120 00:04:46.420 --> 00:04:47.480 - And so it's just 121 00:04:47.860 --> 00:04:49.720 - always a a beautiful experience. 122 00:04:50.420 --> 00:04:52.600 - Our ward is in the Hubble Creek Canyon 123 00:04:52.660 --> 00:04:53.960 - of Springville, Utah. 124 00:04:54.464 --> 00:04:56.964 - So I remember last time I was on, 125 00:04:57.024 --> 00:04:59.105 - I made the comment we're a typical Utah 126 00:04:59.105 --> 00:05:01.824 - ward of about 300 members, and then we 127 00:05:01.824 --> 00:05:04.384 - got some comments saying 300 members. That's that's 128 00:05:04.384 --> 00:05:06.485 - not a typical ward where I'm from. 129 00:05:06.889 --> 00:05:08.889 - But, you know, we have sort of the 130 00:05:08.889 --> 00:05:10.670 - full spectrum of young families, 131 00:05:11.050 --> 00:05:11.550 - families, 132 00:05:12.330 --> 00:05:13.310 - elderly couples. 133 00:05:13.850 --> 00:05:15.069 - I'd say what makes 134 00:05:15.930 --> 00:05:18.029 - our community unique is that 135 00:05:18.490 --> 00:05:20.670 - even living in Springville, Utah, 136 00:05:21.224 --> 00:05:23.305 - there's a, you know, a good percentage of 137 00:05:23.305 --> 00:05:25.625 - members that are are less active or who 138 00:05:25.625 --> 00:05:27.245 - are not members of the church, 139 00:05:27.704 --> 00:05:29.224 - but we all know each other in the 140 00:05:29.224 --> 00:05:30.844 - neighborhood. We are all 141 00:05:31.224 --> 00:05:31.724 - friends. 142 00:05:32.024 --> 00:05:34.664 - We all work together in the HOAs or 143 00:05:34.664 --> 00:05:35.485 - see each other. 144 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:37.800 - And so it's kind of a unique community 145 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:38.300 - where 146 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.040 - as bishop, my stewardship is over everyone that 147 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:43.100 - lives in the canyon, 148 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.040 - whether they're less active or not a member 149 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.520 - of the church, but that friendship, that love. 150 00:05:48.520 --> 00:05:51.125 - And so it kind of, you know, leads 151 00:05:51.125 --> 00:05:53.544 - it to, okay, if Christ was 152 00:05:53.925 --> 00:05:55.144 - leading this community, 153 00:05:56.164 --> 00:05:58.564 - he would be equally loving and wanting to 154 00:05:58.564 --> 00:06:02.084 - connect with every member in that canyon. So 155 00:06:02.084 --> 00:06:03.865 - for example, our ward activities 156 00:06:04.420 --> 00:06:05.879 - switch to canyon activities. 157 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:08.100 - We just put up flyers and signs and 158 00:06:08.100 --> 00:06:10.520 - say we're having a canyon activity. It's for 159 00:06:10.660 --> 00:06:13.220 - Halloween. It's for Christmas. It's for our neighborhood 160 00:06:13.220 --> 00:06:13.720 - cleanup. 161 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.199 - And that just builds that camaraderie. 162 00:06:17.139 --> 00:06:19.560 - One of the thoughts that we've had is, 163 00:06:20.115 --> 00:06:22.375 - you know, at the end of Christ's life, 164 00:06:22.514 --> 00:06:24.675 - he gave a commandment to the apostles and 165 00:06:24.675 --> 00:06:25.334 - he said, 166 00:06:25.875 --> 00:06:28.134 - as I have loved you, 167 00:06:28.675 --> 00:06:31.074 - love one another. This new commandment I give 168 00:06:31.074 --> 00:06:31.735 - unto you. 169 00:06:32.115 --> 00:06:34.454 - And so how does Christ love 170 00:06:34.990 --> 00:06:37.069 - and how can we love like Christ did? 171 00:06:37.069 --> 00:06:38.849 - And so I I just think about 172 00:06:39.310 --> 00:06:41.229 - that, and I think we could probably talk 173 00:06:41.229 --> 00:06:43.229 - about that for hours and hours and write 174 00:06:43.229 --> 00:06:45.469 - books and books of of what can we 175 00:06:45.469 --> 00:06:45.969 - learn 176 00:06:46.430 --> 00:06:48.370 - from how Christ loved 177 00:06:49.074 --> 00:06:50.754 - Because he asked us to do the same. 178 00:06:50.754 --> 00:06:51.254 - Right? 179 00:06:51.555 --> 00:06:53.875 - And so one of the things is, remember, 180 00:06:53.875 --> 00:06:56.274 - he gave that sermon at at the last 181 00:06:56.274 --> 00:06:56.774 - supper. 182 00:06:57.235 --> 00:06:59.574 - He had just got done washing the apostle's 183 00:06:59.714 --> 00:07:00.214 - feet. 184 00:07:00.754 --> 00:07:03.175 - He washed the feet of 185 00:07:03.490 --> 00:07:06.289 - all of those, you know, humble, good men, 186 00:07:06.289 --> 00:07:06.789 - including 187 00:07:07.250 --> 00:07:08.870 - the man who would betray him. 188 00:07:09.329 --> 00:07:12.469 - And I think of Jesus starting his ministry. 189 00:07:12.689 --> 00:07:15.089 - So I think of the woman at the 190 00:07:15.089 --> 00:07:15.589 - well. 191 00:07:16.050 --> 00:07:19.115 - Right? He's starting his ministry. He's kicking it 192 00:07:19.115 --> 00:07:21.514 - off. He's announcing to the world that he 193 00:07:21.514 --> 00:07:22.335 - is the Messiah 194 00:07:22.714 --> 00:07:24.314 - and he's going to teach them. And what 195 00:07:24.314 --> 00:07:25.214 - does he do? 196 00:07:25.595 --> 00:07:27.375 - He walks to Samaria, 197 00:07:27.915 --> 00:07:29.855 - which is way out of the way. 198 00:07:30.209 --> 00:07:33.509 - He meets a woman who was a Samaritan. 199 00:07:34.529 --> 00:07:36.769 - She was, you know, living in a life 200 00:07:36.769 --> 00:07:39.170 - of sin at the time. He probably goes 201 00:07:39.170 --> 00:07:40.470 - to the most unconventional 202 00:07:40.850 --> 00:07:42.790 - place you would ever think to, 203 00:07:43.335 --> 00:07:45.495 - and that's where he started his ministry. And 204 00:07:45.495 --> 00:07:47.194 - he met her where she was. 205 00:07:47.574 --> 00:07:49.754 - He met her at noon at the well 206 00:07:49.814 --> 00:07:50.795 - where she was, 207 00:07:51.335 --> 00:07:53.735 - and then he believed in her and trusted 208 00:07:53.735 --> 00:07:56.930 - her enough that he said, you know, she 209 00:07:56.930 --> 00:07:58.870 - gained a testimony that he was a messiah. 210 00:07:59.170 --> 00:08:01.490 - And then he gave her, a woman, a 211 00:08:01.490 --> 00:08:02.550 - Samaritan woman, 212 00:08:03.090 --> 00:08:03.910 - the first 213 00:08:04.449 --> 00:08:06.290 - calling, if you will, to go spread the 214 00:08:06.290 --> 00:08:08.050 - gospel and share the news. Right? Yeah. That's 215 00:08:08.050 --> 00:08:10.675 - awesome. And he just, if we love the 216 00:08:10.675 --> 00:08:12.134 - way that Jesus 217 00:08:12.834 --> 00:08:16.354 - loved, then we're constantly widening the net, and 218 00:08:16.354 --> 00:08:17.175 - we're constantly 219 00:08:17.875 --> 00:08:20.514 - meeting people where they are and inviting them 220 00:08:20.514 --> 00:08:22.595 - to rise to the next level. So, you 221 00:08:22.595 --> 00:08:24.529 - know, we we sort of keep that in 222 00:08:24.529 --> 00:08:26.610 - our mind as a bishopric, as a word 223 00:08:26.610 --> 00:08:27.110 - council. 224 00:08:27.810 --> 00:08:30.149 - We're a canyon. We're a canyon community. 225 00:08:30.769 --> 00:08:32.929 - If we're loving like the savior loved, we're 226 00:08:32.929 --> 00:08:33.990 - probably loving 227 00:08:34.370 --> 00:08:34.870 - unconventionally. 228 00:08:35.330 --> 00:08:38.070 - We're probably going somewhere that would be almost 229 00:08:38.129 --> 00:08:38.629 - surprising 230 00:08:39.164 --> 00:08:41.084 - to widen the net and reach those in 231 00:08:41.084 --> 00:08:42.764 - need. Yeah. And as I hear that and 232 00:08:42.764 --> 00:08:45.325 - look at it through, like, my leadership lens, 233 00:08:45.325 --> 00:08:47.804 - like, you're establishing a culture in your word. 234 00:08:47.804 --> 00:08:49.404 - And one of those being that even the 235 00:08:49.404 --> 00:08:51.725 - simple of how we frame things or title 236 00:08:51.725 --> 00:08:54.210 - things, activities. And is there any other thing 237 00:08:54.210 --> 00:08:56.210 - to do to really communicate that culture to 238 00:08:56.210 --> 00:08:59.090 - the the ward at large, or is it 239 00:08:59.090 --> 00:09:01.169 - mainly kind of the... A strong focus in 240 00:09:01.169 --> 00:09:01.990 - ward council? 241 00:09:02.450 --> 00:09:04.529 - Yeah. You know, ward council from the very 242 00:09:04.529 --> 00:09:06.769 - beginning, especially as we sort of formed our 243 00:09:06.769 --> 00:09:09.004 - Canyon identity and split as a ward, 244 00:09:09.384 --> 00:09:11.545 - we said we want everyone in The Canyon 245 00:09:11.545 --> 00:09:12.764 - to feel needed, 246 00:09:13.144 --> 00:09:14.684 - loved, and that they belong. 247 00:09:14.985 --> 00:09:16.745 - Whether they're going to church or not, whether 248 00:09:16.745 --> 00:09:18.985 - they're a member or not, needed, loved, that 249 00:09:18.985 --> 00:09:21.245 - they belong, and connect them to Christ. 250 00:09:21.929 --> 00:09:24.009 - And that has sort of been our our 251 00:09:24.009 --> 00:09:25.230 - vision, our culture 252 00:09:25.610 --> 00:09:28.169 - when people... Hopefully, when they come to church 253 00:09:28.169 --> 00:09:30.190 - and our discussions in word council, 254 00:09:30.649 --> 00:09:32.570 - that they feel needed, that they feel loved, 255 00:09:32.570 --> 00:09:35.055 - that they feel that they belong. We recently... 256 00:09:35.195 --> 00:09:38.394 - We've had some beautiful Sacrament meetings recently. Let 257 00:09:38.394 --> 00:09:39.134 - me just 258 00:09:39.435 --> 00:09:41.295 - share sort of how these happened. 259 00:09:41.675 --> 00:09:43.754 - There's a brother in our ward. His name 260 00:09:43.754 --> 00:09:44.975 - was, Sherwin, 261 00:09:45.675 --> 00:09:46.335 - is Sherwin. 262 00:09:46.830 --> 00:09:49.230 - And just a good man, served as scout 263 00:09:49.230 --> 00:09:52.290 - master in the canyon for over ten years. 264 00:09:52.830 --> 00:09:54.990 - And then about six or seven years ago, 265 00:09:54.990 --> 00:09:56.930 - fell away from the church, decided 266 00:09:57.309 --> 00:09:59.889 - it wasn't for him, but had built amazing 267 00:09:59.950 --> 00:10:01.330 - relationships in the canyon. 268 00:10:01.845 --> 00:10:04.725 - And this good brother was diagnosed with, 269 00:10:05.204 --> 00:10:08.164 - ALS, but a severe form where he only 270 00:10:08.164 --> 00:10:10.504 - had six to twelve months left to live. 271 00:10:11.044 --> 00:10:12.884 - And I asked if I could go visit. 272 00:10:12.884 --> 00:10:14.709 - I hadn't met him before, but a lot 273 00:10:14.709 --> 00:10:16.470 - of people spoke really highly of him. I 274 00:10:16.470 --> 00:10:18.009 - went and visited with Sherwin. 275 00:10:18.549 --> 00:10:18.789 - And, 276 00:10:19.509 --> 00:10:22.409 - what I found was just a good Christian 277 00:10:22.470 --> 00:10:25.830 - man, like, so Christlike, so giving. He wasn't 278 00:10:25.830 --> 00:10:27.750 - going to church on Sundays, but he was 279 00:10:27.750 --> 00:10:28.970 - spending his weekends 280 00:10:29.754 --> 00:10:32.254 - volunteering at a at a disability home, 281 00:10:32.634 --> 00:10:33.534 - helping those, 282 00:10:33.914 --> 00:10:34.654 - in wheelchairs, 283 00:10:35.115 --> 00:10:37.514 - thinking how he can serve like Christ. Just 284 00:10:37.514 --> 00:10:38.894 - a good man. And 285 00:10:39.274 --> 00:10:40.714 - at the end of, you know, a two 286 00:10:40.714 --> 00:10:41.534 - hour conversation, 287 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.120 - you know, he said, I'm comfortable you saying 288 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:46.720 - this at my funeral, and he said a 289 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.480 - couple things that he wanted me to say 290 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.480 - about his faith and his love of the 291 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:50.980 - neighborhood. 292 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:52.580 - And I said, Sherwin, 293 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:54.179 - why don't I challenge 294 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.399 - you to speak in church and say this 295 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.615 - yourself while you still can and say it 296 00:10:58.615 --> 00:11:00.375 - to your brothers and sisters in the canyon. 297 00:11:00.375 --> 00:11:02.535 - Wow. Like, we love your journey, and it's 298 00:11:02.535 --> 00:11:03.035 - beautiful. 299 00:11:03.415 --> 00:11:06.154 - So he agreed to speak in sacrament meeting. 300 00:11:06.455 --> 00:11:09.035 - Leading up to that, my good bishopric members, 301 00:11:09.254 --> 00:11:11.254 - they said how... And one of my bishopric 302 00:11:11.254 --> 00:11:13.740 - members knew him very well. His son was 303 00:11:13.740 --> 00:11:14.240 - influenced 304 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:16.700 - by his leadership as a scout master for 305 00:11:16.700 --> 00:11:17.200 - years, 306 00:11:17.580 --> 00:11:20.160 - said we should get the boys, the scouts, 307 00:11:20.460 --> 00:11:22.379 - and call them back and ask them back 308 00:11:22.379 --> 00:11:25.100 - to speak when Sherwin speaks and comes comes 309 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:25.920 - back to church. 310 00:11:26.345 --> 00:11:28.665 - And it ended up being we had such 311 00:11:28.665 --> 00:11:31.225 - high demand that the week before, we had 312 00:11:31.225 --> 00:11:34.425 - three speakers that were his former scouts. Mhmm. 313 00:11:34.425 --> 00:11:36.504 - And then the next week, Sherwin came and 314 00:11:36.504 --> 00:11:37.325 - gave his 315 00:11:37.705 --> 00:11:40.399 - talk. And included in that, one of these 316 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.720 - boys, his name was Nick. He's now a 317 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:43.220 - man. 318 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.500 - Had gone through a tough journey of rehab 319 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.959 - and a tough journey. He was coming back 320 00:11:48.959 --> 00:11:51.199 - to church. He got up and shared his 321 00:11:51.199 --> 00:11:54.154 - testimony of Christ. We had a man in 322 00:11:54.154 --> 00:11:56.714 - our congregation that's less active, got up, shared 323 00:11:56.714 --> 00:11:59.274 - his testimony of of Christ in service. And 324 00:11:59.274 --> 00:12:01.434 - then the next week, Sherwin got up and 325 00:12:01.434 --> 00:12:01.934 - delivered 326 00:12:02.315 --> 00:12:03.134 - a beautiful 327 00:12:03.995 --> 00:12:06.174 - talk about his life of service, 328 00:12:06.529 --> 00:12:09.090 - Christ like leadership. When Sherwin and, you know, 329 00:12:09.090 --> 00:12:11.090 - we were all just bawling, it was so 330 00:12:11.090 --> 00:12:14.129 - beautiful. Yeah. When he got up, there were 331 00:12:14.129 --> 00:12:16.049 - 50 people lined up to give him a 332 00:12:16.049 --> 00:12:19.250 - hug and just say, welcome back, brother. And 333 00:12:19.250 --> 00:12:21.570 - we love you, and we're so grateful that 334 00:12:21.570 --> 00:12:23.084 - you're here. And, 335 00:12:23.784 --> 00:12:25.725 - you know, like you said, building a culture, 336 00:12:26.424 --> 00:12:28.504 - the whole congregation can feel that. They can 337 00:12:28.504 --> 00:12:31.705 - look around and say, something special is happening 338 00:12:31.705 --> 00:12:35.225 - here, and the culture is welcoming, and it's 339 00:12:35.225 --> 00:12:37.950 - loving, and it's it's loving people on their 340 00:12:37.950 --> 00:12:40.670 - journey with Christ. Yeah. I'm curious as you 341 00:12:40.670 --> 00:12:43.149 - made that initial visit to him, like, because 342 00:12:43.149 --> 00:12:44.750 - you'd never met him. Never met him. You 343 00:12:44.750 --> 00:12:46.990 - just heard rumors of him and the legend 344 00:12:46.990 --> 00:12:49.230 - he was and everything. Yep. And so, I 345 00:12:49.230 --> 00:12:50.910 - mean, what were you expecting walking into that 346 00:12:50.910 --> 00:12:51.410 - house? 347 00:12:51.934 --> 00:12:53.955 - Well, he said you can come over, and 348 00:12:54.334 --> 00:12:56.254 - I actually heard that he had reached out 349 00:12:56.254 --> 00:12:56.914 - to a 350 00:12:57.375 --> 00:12:57.955 - a former 351 00:12:58.334 --> 00:13:00.014 - bishop in the ward that he knew and 352 00:13:00.014 --> 00:13:02.254 - just said, you know, who is this Bishop 353 00:13:02.254 --> 00:13:04.095 - Fletcher? And and he had said, no. He's 354 00:13:04.095 --> 00:13:05.615 - a good guy. You can you can talk 355 00:13:05.615 --> 00:13:07.800 - to him. And so so I had been 356 00:13:07.800 --> 00:13:09.019 - sort of prepped. But, 357 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:11.980 - you know, I've been thinking of the scripture 358 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:15.399 - in Mosiah 18 that we are to mourn 359 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:17.639 - with those that mourn, comfort those that stand 360 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:19.559 - in need of comfort, and stand as a 361 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:22.485 - witness of God. And I think at times, 362 00:13:22.784 --> 00:13:24.625 - we just go to mourn with those that 363 00:13:24.625 --> 00:13:26.865 - mourn. Right? And that means we don't have 364 00:13:26.865 --> 00:13:29.504 - to preach to them. We just go to 365 00:13:29.504 --> 00:13:31.904 - mourn. And sometimes we go to comfort. We 366 00:13:31.904 --> 00:13:34.004 - help. We help them solve a problem. 367 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.840 - And other times, we stand as a witness 368 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:38.600 - of God. And so when I went into 369 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:39.100 - that, 370 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:41.480 - I was just there to mourn. Right? I 371 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.740 - was just there to be a friend and 372 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.279 - and mourn with with my brother. Right? Yeah. 373 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.424 - My neighbor. Yeah. And his wife was there 374 00:13:48.424 --> 00:13:49.865 - too. And you know, they're going through a 375 00:13:49.865 --> 00:13:50.764 - really hard time. 376 00:13:51.225 --> 00:13:53.225 - But then comfort those that stand in need 377 00:13:53.225 --> 00:13:55.384 - of comfort, stand as a witness. And you 378 00:13:55.384 --> 00:13:56.605 - know, stand as a witness, 379 00:13:56.985 --> 00:13:59.144 - when I received sort of that inspiration to 380 00:13:59.144 --> 00:14:00.365 - invite him to speak, 381 00:14:00.819 --> 00:14:02.500 - you know, a member that I knew had 382 00:14:02.500 --> 00:14:04.740 - some, you know, issues with church history. Like, 383 00:14:04.740 --> 00:14:06.740 - that was a risk to invite him to 384 00:14:06.740 --> 00:14:09.059 - speak, but the prompting came, and I was 385 00:14:09.059 --> 00:14:11.699 - able to follow the prompting and stand as 386 00:14:11.699 --> 00:14:12.919 - a witness of god 387 00:14:13.235 --> 00:14:15.175 - and have that courage to make that invitation. 388 00:14:15.235 --> 00:14:17.075 - So I would say sometimes you just mourn 389 00:14:17.075 --> 00:14:18.055 - with those that mourn, 390 00:14:18.514 --> 00:14:20.935 - but other times you stand as a witness 391 00:14:21.075 --> 00:14:23.335 - and you you say the words that 392 00:14:23.715 --> 00:14:25.875 - Christ would say if he was there. Yeah. 393 00:14:25.875 --> 00:14:28.149 - And I appreciate the... I don't think it's 394 00:14:28.149 --> 00:14:29.990 - a strategy or tactic per se, but just 395 00:14:29.990 --> 00:14:31.690 - the looking for ways to immediately 396 00:14:32.070 --> 00:14:34.550 - fold him into the word experience. Right? I 397 00:14:34.550 --> 00:14:36.629 - think it's natural to be like, well, I... 398 00:14:36.629 --> 00:14:37.910 - You know, I don't wanna ask too much, 399 00:14:37.910 --> 00:14:39.509 - so let's just hope that he gets up 400 00:14:39.509 --> 00:14:41.269 - on Sunday and shows up. Yeah. Right? Yeah. 401 00:14:41.269 --> 00:14:42.790 - Maybe that'll be enough. But there's sort of 402 00:14:42.790 --> 00:14:45.325 - this almost like this, risk in it of 403 00:14:45.325 --> 00:14:45.825 - like, 404 00:14:46.205 --> 00:14:48.605 - will you come speak? Yeah. You know? And, 405 00:14:50.205 --> 00:14:52.365 - and, again, it may not... That invitation may 406 00:14:52.365 --> 00:14:54.125 - not fit for everybody that you may be 407 00:14:54.125 --> 00:14:56.550 - visiting, but it's like you're you're seeing a 408 00:14:56.550 --> 00:14:59.750 - an opportunity, a window open that you can 409 00:14:59.750 --> 00:15:01.590 - say, let's step into this and see what 410 00:15:01.590 --> 00:15:03.990 - happens. It's loving the way the savior loved. 411 00:15:03.990 --> 00:15:06.230 - Right? That woman at the well, he met 412 00:15:06.230 --> 00:15:07.450 - her where she was, 413 00:15:07.804 --> 00:15:09.884 - but then he actually gave her a very 414 00:15:09.884 --> 00:15:12.684 - significant calling to do. Yeah. Someone that was 415 00:15:12.684 --> 00:15:14.144 - a Samaritan, a woman, 416 00:15:14.524 --> 00:15:15.024 - unclean 417 00:15:15.565 --> 00:15:17.504 - in the eyes of of the Jewish community. 418 00:15:17.964 --> 00:15:20.065 - He asked her to do a significant work. 419 00:15:20.204 --> 00:15:22.589 - You know, I love the book, The Power 420 00:15:22.589 --> 00:15:24.850 - of Everyday Missionaries by Clayton Christensen. 421 00:15:25.309 --> 00:15:27.409 - And that's one of the core principles is 422 00:15:27.629 --> 00:15:29.870 - a lot of people respond better to asking 423 00:15:29.870 --> 00:15:31.329 - them to serve with you 424 00:15:31.709 --> 00:15:33.549 - rather than just to hear a message and 425 00:15:33.549 --> 00:15:34.690 - be taught by you. 426 00:15:35.164 --> 00:15:35.985 - So almost 427 00:15:36.605 --> 00:15:38.845 - your first instinct should be, how can you 428 00:15:38.845 --> 00:15:41.324 - serve with me? I remember in California, we 429 00:15:41.324 --> 00:15:43.564 - we were living in... Outside of Los Angeles, 430 00:15:43.564 --> 00:15:45.485 - and I just read, you know, the power 431 00:15:45.485 --> 00:15:46.464 - of everyday missionaries. 432 00:15:47.179 --> 00:15:48.779 - And I thought, okay. How do I get 433 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:50.539 - my neighbors involved? And we were living in 434 00:15:50.539 --> 00:15:52.139 - LA at the time, and there's a big 435 00:15:52.139 --> 00:15:54.539 - Hollywood scene. Our next door neighbor, he did, 436 00:15:55.259 --> 00:15:57.679 - production for films. He he was a cameraman. 437 00:15:58.299 --> 00:16:00.379 - And he was, you know, maybe sort of 438 00:16:00.379 --> 00:16:01.980 - interested in the church. He'd ask about our 439 00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:02.480 - religion. 440 00:16:03.075 --> 00:16:05.554 - And I was a youth Sunday school teacher 441 00:16:05.554 --> 00:16:07.415 - at the time, and I said, 442 00:16:07.795 --> 00:16:10.535 - how can we get him involved, his talents, 443 00:16:10.915 --> 00:16:13.315 - so he's not just getting a lecture from 444 00:16:13.315 --> 00:16:14.774 - us, but he's serving. 445 00:16:15.410 --> 00:16:18.129 - And I asked my Sunday school class, the 446 00:16:18.129 --> 00:16:19.970 - youth, and we said, why don't we film 447 00:16:19.970 --> 00:16:21.029 - a YouTube video? 448 00:16:21.490 --> 00:16:23.029 - Why I believe video 449 00:16:23.410 --> 00:16:24.629 - and invite him 450 00:16:25.009 --> 00:16:27.330 - to come film it and do the lighting 451 00:16:27.330 --> 00:16:29.445 - on it. And he came and he brought 452 00:16:29.445 --> 00:16:31.625 - his son, actually, who was 12 years old, 453 00:16:32.004 --> 00:16:34.245 - and he heard all their testimonies about different 454 00:16:34.245 --> 00:16:36.165 - gospel principles. And he walked out of that 455 00:16:36.165 --> 00:16:36.665 - saying, 456 00:16:37.125 --> 00:16:39.545 - I would give anything for my kids 457 00:16:40.165 --> 00:16:42.504 - to have what you have in the church. 458 00:16:43.045 --> 00:16:45.309 - And he didn't join the church, but he 459 00:16:45.309 --> 00:16:48.690 - felt the spirit. Right? Inviting them to serve 460 00:16:49.470 --> 00:16:52.190 - is a lot of times more, beneficial, and 461 00:16:52.190 --> 00:16:54.290 - they're eager to do it rather than just 462 00:16:54.429 --> 00:16:57.404 - hear a lesson. Right? Yeah. That's powerful. Any 463 00:16:57.404 --> 00:16:59.644 - other stories as far as this broadening and, 464 00:17:00.125 --> 00:17:01.105 - widening the net? 465 00:17:01.485 --> 00:17:02.384 - Yeah. I, 466 00:17:03.725 --> 00:17:05.804 - you know, I think about widening the net 467 00:17:05.804 --> 00:17:08.765 - with just... So we have lived in Hong 468 00:17:08.765 --> 00:17:10.765 - Kong. We've lived in Los Angeles. I grew 469 00:17:10.765 --> 00:17:11.904 - up in Northern Virginia. 470 00:17:12.210 --> 00:17:14.069 - We lived in Boston after BYU. 471 00:17:14.450 --> 00:17:16.630 - I've sort of always been in a minority. 472 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:19.649 - I travel for work to 14 countries a 473 00:17:19.649 --> 00:17:20.309 - year, so 474 00:17:20.609 --> 00:17:21.990 - we've always been a minority 475 00:17:22.690 --> 00:17:24.549 - of Latter day Saint members. 476 00:17:25.174 --> 00:17:27.015 - Joseph Granny, I believe he was a a 477 00:17:27.015 --> 00:17:29.015 - guest at Leading Saints previously. You know, he 478 00:17:29.015 --> 00:17:30.394 - has his faith matters, 479 00:17:31.015 --> 00:17:34.634 - beautiful devotional where he he basically talks about 480 00:17:35.174 --> 00:17:37.974 - if the goal is a perfect family going 481 00:17:37.974 --> 00:17:38.634 - to church 482 00:17:39.150 --> 00:17:40.609 - and making temple covenants, 483 00:17:41.630 --> 00:17:42.130 - then 484 00:17:42.590 --> 00:17:45.230 - there's only 18,000,000 members of the church, and 485 00:17:45.230 --> 00:17:47.490 - a smaller percentage of those are temple 486 00:17:48.029 --> 00:17:48.930 - making members 487 00:17:49.390 --> 00:17:51.869 - out of 8,000,000,000 people in the world. So 488 00:17:51.869 --> 00:17:54.095 - that would say that... Does that mean that 489 00:17:54.095 --> 00:17:56.035 - heavenly father, as a father, 490 00:17:56.494 --> 00:18:00.434 - has the plan hasn't worked for 99.8% 491 00:18:00.575 --> 00:18:02.115 - of his children on earth? 492 00:18:02.575 --> 00:18:05.375 - No. It means that there's a lot of 493 00:18:05.375 --> 00:18:07.555 - life left to live after this life, 494 00:18:07.930 --> 00:18:09.230 - and it means that 495 00:18:09.609 --> 00:18:11.289 - our goal is to, a lot of times, 496 00:18:11.289 --> 00:18:14.330 - have positive interactions and bring people closer to 497 00:18:14.330 --> 00:18:14.830 - Christ 498 00:18:15.369 --> 00:18:16.670 - in our mortal experience. 499 00:18:17.049 --> 00:18:20.109 - Right? However, we connect people to Christ more. 500 00:18:20.315 --> 00:18:22.894 - And so just putting that in perspective of 501 00:18:23.434 --> 00:18:25.694 - 99.9% 502 00:18:26.234 --> 00:18:26.974 - of the world 503 00:18:27.674 --> 00:18:30.154 - is not attending the temple and doesn't have 504 00:18:30.154 --> 00:18:31.134 - a temple recommend, 505 00:18:31.674 --> 00:18:32.734 - and that is 506 00:18:33.115 --> 00:18:35.150 - God's plan. And so what does that mean? 507 00:18:35.150 --> 00:18:36.750 - How does that mean for how we treat 508 00:18:36.750 --> 00:18:38.289 - people, how we share the gospel, 509 00:18:38.829 --> 00:18:39.809 - how we interact? 510 00:18:40.429 --> 00:18:42.750 - You know, I had a brother that joined 511 00:18:42.750 --> 00:18:45.549 - the church in Hong Kong. His name was 512 00:18:45.549 --> 00:18:46.049 - Kabir. 513 00:18:46.509 --> 00:18:47.569 - He's from India. 514 00:18:48.029 --> 00:18:48.529 - And 515 00:18:48.835 --> 00:18:50.934 - I remember when he was taking the lessons, 516 00:18:50.994 --> 00:18:52.755 - I was the word mission leader at the 517 00:18:52.755 --> 00:18:55.634 - time. He was taking the lessons and, you 518 00:18:55.634 --> 00:18:58.115 - know, he came up from a background of 519 00:18:58.115 --> 00:18:59.575 - spiritualism in India. 520 00:18:59.955 --> 00:19:02.275 - I believe it's called Sensat, his his, 521 00:19:02.595 --> 00:19:03.654 - spiritual religion. 522 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:05.529 - But he said 523 00:19:05.910 --> 00:19:07.589 - he knew the book of Mormon was true. 524 00:19:07.589 --> 00:19:09.269 - He came to church and felt the spirit 525 00:19:09.269 --> 00:19:11.910 - every week. And he said, I feel peace 526 00:19:11.910 --> 00:19:13.429 - and I feel the spirit at the... At 527 00:19:13.429 --> 00:19:14.710 - your church, and I know the book of 528 00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:16.410 - Mormon's true. But 529 00:19:16.734 --> 00:19:19.294 - I also feel peace when I'm home in 530 00:19:19.294 --> 00:19:20.914 - India attending my temple. 531 00:19:22.174 --> 00:19:23.774 - And he said, does that mean I can't 532 00:19:23.774 --> 00:19:25.454 - join the church? And he and he also 533 00:19:25.454 --> 00:19:27.075 - said, and I feel uncomfortable 534 00:19:27.454 --> 00:19:30.450 - pushing my beliefs on others. He was at 535 00:19:30.450 --> 00:19:32.289 - mission age at the time and decided not 536 00:19:32.289 --> 00:19:33.589 - to serve a full time mission 537 00:19:34.049 --> 00:19:36.450 - because he said, I believe in in the 538 00:19:36.450 --> 00:19:36.950 - beauty 539 00:19:37.409 --> 00:19:40.450 - and the truth of so many lives and 540 00:19:40.450 --> 00:19:42.609 - stories out there. And in the end, we 541 00:19:42.609 --> 00:19:44.450 - had a lot of discussions, and he met 542 00:19:44.450 --> 00:19:46.784 - with, you know, our bishop and he met 543 00:19:46.784 --> 00:19:48.005 - with, the missionaries. 544 00:19:48.784 --> 00:19:50.164 - And, you know, it was 545 00:19:50.464 --> 00:19:52.865 - take everything you have, like president Hinckley said, 546 00:19:52.865 --> 00:19:54.704 - take everything you have Mhmm. And add to 547 00:19:54.704 --> 00:19:55.765 - it, and that's beautiful. 548 00:19:56.464 --> 00:19:57.444 - And Kabir 549 00:19:57.919 --> 00:20:01.599 - got into BYU. He attended BYU's business program. 550 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.940 - He's an amazing member of the church, 551 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:06.740 - and he has probably done more for missionary 552 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.359 - work than almost anyone I've met. Mhmm. But 553 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.804 - he's done it from a place of we're 554 00:20:11.804 --> 00:20:14.464 - not judging, and it's not us versus them. 555 00:20:14.845 --> 00:20:15.345 - It's 556 00:20:15.884 --> 00:20:18.204 - we're all in our journey of truth and 557 00:20:18.204 --> 00:20:20.684 - growing closer to God. And where does that 558 00:20:20.684 --> 00:20:22.524 - bring us, and what questions do we ask, 559 00:20:22.524 --> 00:20:24.444 - and how do we grow closer to God? 560 00:20:24.444 --> 00:20:27.720 - Yeah. And so to see all the people 561 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:29.720 - that Kabir has brought into the church from 562 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:30.220 - India 563 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:34.220 - from that perspective rather than us versus them. 564 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:35.419 - Right. Yeah. 565 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.460 - I'm curious just on more practical level. 566 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.480 - I'm just considering maybe the church leader hearing 567 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:43.494 - this, and they wanna have these type of 568 00:20:43.494 --> 00:20:45.674 - experiences or stimulate this type of culture. 569 00:20:46.054 --> 00:20:47.734 - Is there anything you're doing on a week 570 00:20:47.734 --> 00:20:49.494 - to week basis or the way you set 571 00:20:49.494 --> 00:20:51.674 - up visits? Or are you proactively 572 00:20:52.134 --> 00:20:54.375 - keeping top of mind these individuals who maybe 573 00:20:54.375 --> 00:20:56.589 - aren't coming to church? Or where's, like, a 574 00:20:56.589 --> 00:20:57.809 - starting point to actually 575 00:20:58.190 --> 00:20:59.710 - then have the visit you can go into 576 00:20:59.710 --> 00:21:01.390 - the home and invite to speak or... You 577 00:21:01.390 --> 00:21:03.549 - know? Yeah. I think it starts with the 578 00:21:03.549 --> 00:21:05.950 - culture overall of the ward and the ward 579 00:21:05.950 --> 00:21:10.065 - council. Right? So our ministering efforts are... My 580 00:21:10.065 --> 00:21:12.224 - Relief Society president, my Elder Scrolling president are 581 00:21:12.224 --> 00:21:12.724 - incredible 582 00:21:13.505 --> 00:21:16.384 - and they are seekers of the one and 583 00:21:16.384 --> 00:21:19.264 - they are... We want everyone to feel that 584 00:21:19.264 --> 00:21:21.664 - they belong and they connect to Christ. And 585 00:21:21.664 --> 00:21:23.284 - so the ministering efforts 586 00:21:23.664 --> 00:21:26.250 - tend to be geared toward that. In word 587 00:21:26.250 --> 00:21:28.190 - council, we're discussing individuals. 588 00:21:28.890 --> 00:21:31.230 - You know, elder Jackson gave a talk about 589 00:21:31.769 --> 00:21:34.410 - numbering the sheep of God recently, and a 590 00:21:34.410 --> 00:21:35.630 - lot of those are 591 00:21:35.930 --> 00:21:39.194 - using reports in the church to then say, 592 00:21:39.194 --> 00:21:41.194 - okay. Who's not here? Who's not attending? Who 593 00:21:41.194 --> 00:21:42.174 - doesn't have callings? 594 00:21:42.554 --> 00:21:44.494 - We have an advantage in our ward 595 00:21:44.795 --> 00:21:47.615 - that in our Canyon community, we know everyone, 596 00:21:47.835 --> 00:21:50.154 - and we know who's not coming to church, 597 00:21:50.154 --> 00:21:51.960 - and we know who's not a member. And 598 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:53.740 - it's about fifty fifty, actually, 599 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:55.819 - but that allows us to 600 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:58.759 - know the names, know the families, to care 601 00:21:58.759 --> 00:21:59.419 - about them. 602 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:01.259 - And so that's one. 603 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:02.700 - Me me personally, 604 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:04.919 - when I was called as bishop, I had 605 00:22:04.919 --> 00:22:06.779 - a brother come up to me and say, 606 00:22:07.075 --> 00:22:09.154 - bishop Fletcher, I want you to know that 607 00:22:09.154 --> 00:22:11.634 - I will pray for you by name every 608 00:22:11.634 --> 00:22:12.134 - day. 609 00:22:13.394 --> 00:22:16.215 - And I was so touched by that 610 00:22:16.994 --> 00:22:18.055 - that I said, 611 00:22:18.595 --> 00:22:20.355 - I want to be able to say that 612 00:22:20.355 --> 00:22:21.015 - to my 613 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.079 - congregation, especially those individuals who I'm working with. 614 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.500 - Mhmm. And so I have a prayer list. 615 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.339 - It grows. It's about 85 names right now. 616 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.980 - And every morning, I'm praying for that individual. 617 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.605 - I'm thinking about them. I'm... And impressions will 618 00:22:36.605 --> 00:22:39.005 - come. And then when they come, try and 619 00:22:39.005 --> 00:22:40.845 - act on it. But that takes it from 620 00:22:40.845 --> 00:22:42.625 - a report to individuals. 621 00:22:43.244 --> 00:22:45.825 - And on a daily basis, you're you're receiving 622 00:22:45.884 --> 00:22:47.825 - that that revelation for that person. 623 00:22:48.125 --> 00:22:49.505 - Yeah. That's powerful. 624 00:22:49.900 --> 00:22:53.440 - Powerful. And I appreciate just the... There's almost 625 00:22:53.980 --> 00:22:55.119 - this this more macro 626 00:22:55.579 --> 00:22:57.579 - culture that you're... Like, that... That's almost like 627 00:22:57.579 --> 00:22:59.819 - a small town feel, you know, where Yeah. 628 00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:01.420 - You see that... You know, my in laws 629 00:23:01.420 --> 00:23:03.099 - live in a farming community, and there is 630 00:23:03.099 --> 00:23:04.724 - that. Right? Whether they go to church or 631 00:23:04.724 --> 00:23:06.325 - not, you sorta kinda know each other. You 632 00:23:06.325 --> 00:23:08.565 - see them at the high school soccer game 633 00:23:08.565 --> 00:23:10.244 - or whatever it is. Right? And... Or just 634 00:23:10.244 --> 00:23:12.724 - these community events or, you know, everybody's sort 635 00:23:12.724 --> 00:23:15.125 - of connected to the farming industry. So it's 636 00:23:15.125 --> 00:23:17.000 - like, oh, yeah. That guy sells me fertilizer. 637 00:23:17.059 --> 00:23:18.820 - I bought my tractor from him. Or... Yeah. 638 00:23:18.820 --> 00:23:20.839 - And so you kinda know that people... And 639 00:23:21.140 --> 00:23:23.779 - and I do... It makes me wonder, like, 640 00:23:23.779 --> 00:23:26.660 - even in Utah where... To maybe shift that 641 00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:28.980 - paradigm of saying, yeah. We're worried about the 642 00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:30.740 - ward and the members, but, like, how are 643 00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:32.725 - we impacting the broader community 644 00:23:33.105 --> 00:23:35.184 - and connecting the broader community so that we 645 00:23:35.184 --> 00:23:36.404 - have more of those interactions? 646 00:23:36.705 --> 00:23:39.924 - And I think in 2026, it's a lot... 647 00:23:40.065 --> 00:23:43.285 - You know, everybody's more secluded or, you know, 648 00:23:43.744 --> 00:23:44.244 - more 649 00:23:44.545 --> 00:23:47.799 - internal focused. You know? Yep. So I think 650 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:49.799 - because we have a unique ward, like you 651 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:51.799 - said, it probably is similar to that culture 652 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:53.580 - of we know everyone in our canyon. 653 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:56.519 - It has reinforced to me that I am 654 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.000 - the bishop of everyone in the canyon, not 655 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:00.619 - just everyone I see at church. 656 00:24:01.005 --> 00:24:03.964 - But I I think that principle would apply 657 00:24:03.964 --> 00:24:06.045 - to a bishop in Boston where we lived 658 00:24:06.045 --> 00:24:08.845 - for years or even though only, you know, 659 00:24:08.845 --> 00:24:09.964 - 0.5 660 00:24:09.964 --> 00:24:10.785 - of that community 661 00:24:11.325 --> 00:24:13.005 - goes to church or is members of the 662 00:24:13.005 --> 00:24:13.505 - church. 663 00:24:13.964 --> 00:24:15.184 - The reality is 664 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.720 - you do have a stewardship to connect everyone 665 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:20.980 - to Christ. And it it probably isn't, 666 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.839 - you know, baptizing and inviting them all to 667 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:24.339 - church, 668 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:27.299 - but connecting them to Christ through your interactions, 669 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.579 - through your discussions, 670 00:24:29.455 --> 00:24:31.375 - I think that is an obligation of a 671 00:24:31.375 --> 00:24:34.654 - leader in our church. Yeah. Anything else around 672 00:24:34.654 --> 00:24:36.575 - widening the nets that we haven't touched on? 673 00:24:36.575 --> 00:24:39.295 - Or No. I just think every time we 674 00:24:39.295 --> 00:24:40.595 - look at Jesus, 675 00:24:41.055 --> 00:24:42.434 - how he lives his life, 676 00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:46.660 - he surprised people about how wide he put 677 00:24:46.660 --> 00:24:47.320 - that net. 678 00:24:47.859 --> 00:24:50.279 - Right? It always was shocking 679 00:24:50.980 --> 00:24:52.440 - when he went to, 680 00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:56.359 - you know, this individual or or Zacchaeus or 681 00:24:56.420 --> 00:24:59.615 - Peter as a fisherman or... It always 682 00:25:00.795 --> 00:25:01.535 - was surprising 683 00:25:01.994 --> 00:25:04.335 - how he widened the net. And I think 684 00:25:04.795 --> 00:25:06.795 - in the end, the net is we're all 685 00:25:06.795 --> 00:25:09.055 - children of God. We're all in it together. 686 00:25:09.115 --> 00:25:10.875 - We're all under that same net. We're all 687 00:25:10.875 --> 00:25:13.440 - imperfect. We're children of God, and he has 688 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.380 - a plan for us. And so 689 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.179 - that net, we couldn't extend any wider. 690 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:19.539 - Yeah. It's powerful. 691 00:25:19.919 --> 00:25:21.599 - Should we jump to as far as invite 692 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:24.079 - to grow? Yeah. Yeah. So start there. Yeah. 693 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:25.440 - If we look at, you know, the woman 694 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:26.419 - in the well again, 695 00:25:27.125 --> 00:25:29.204 - he went to this woman who was, you 696 00:25:29.204 --> 00:25:30.184 - know, unconventional. 697 00:25:31.125 --> 00:25:32.744 - He met her where she was, 698 00:25:33.125 --> 00:25:35.764 - but then he gave her a calling, a 699 00:25:35.764 --> 00:25:38.644 - task that really stretched her as a disciple 700 00:25:38.644 --> 00:25:41.269 - of Jesus Christ. And I think that's the 701 00:25:41.269 --> 00:25:42.410 - second core principle 702 00:25:43.109 --> 00:25:45.509 - is he meets us, he loves us, and 703 00:25:45.509 --> 00:25:47.349 - then he loves us too much to let 704 00:25:47.349 --> 00:25:48.730 - us stay where we are. 705 00:25:49.029 --> 00:25:51.210 - And so it is constantly 706 00:25:51.589 --> 00:25:52.089 - that 707 00:25:52.534 --> 00:25:53.434 - loving people 708 00:25:53.894 --> 00:25:56.214 - and believing in them and enabling them to 709 00:25:56.214 --> 00:25:57.194 - grow. So, 710 00:25:57.494 --> 00:25:59.575 - you know, one of the stories or or 711 00:25:59.575 --> 00:26:01.255 - programs that comes to mind in our award 712 00:26:01.255 --> 00:26:03.255 - is... It was actually a previous guest of 713 00:26:03.255 --> 00:26:06.240 - yours, Greg Trimble. Yeah. He talked about this 714 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.000 - amazing program that they were doing in their 715 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.359 - ward. I think it was Midway. Was it 716 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.259 - his... Midway. Yep. Where they called 717 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:13.299 - the youth, 718 00:26:13.840 --> 00:26:16.340 - 16 and older, as ward missionaries. 719 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:18.980 - And then he had the youth 720 00:26:19.345 --> 00:26:21.845 - study, preach my gospel, go out in companionships 721 00:26:22.065 --> 00:26:22.805 - every week, 722 00:26:23.184 --> 00:26:26.625 - and teach members of their community, either active 723 00:26:26.625 --> 00:26:28.805 - members, less active members, part members. 724 00:26:29.345 --> 00:26:31.599 - I heard that personally, and this is plug 725 00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:33.759 - for leading saints. Right? There's so much value 726 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.859 - that we get from sharing best practices. 727 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:38.159 - I heard that as a bishop in a 728 00:26:38.159 --> 00:26:39.059 - Utah ward 729 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.079 - with not a lot of missionary work, wondering 730 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.240 - how I can prepare my youth and help 731 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:45.059 - them grow. 732 00:26:45.775 --> 00:26:48.174 - And the impression I got was this would 733 00:26:48.174 --> 00:26:50.255 - be this would be perfect for our ward, 734 00:26:50.255 --> 00:26:51.855 - and the other impression I got is that 735 00:26:51.855 --> 00:26:52.914 - we would see miracles 736 00:26:53.295 --> 00:26:54.115 - in our canyon 737 00:26:54.575 --> 00:26:57.295 - if we instated it. And so right now, 738 00:26:57.295 --> 00:26:58.674 - we have 12 739 00:26:59.109 --> 00:27:01.509 - of our, young women and young men that 740 00:27:01.509 --> 00:27:02.730 - are priests and, 741 00:27:03.429 --> 00:27:05.049 - gatherers of light age, 742 00:27:05.509 --> 00:27:06.009 - and 743 00:27:06.389 --> 00:27:09.509 - they are putting companionships. We have an amazing 744 00:27:09.509 --> 00:27:12.494 - assistant ward mission leader that trains them and 745 00:27:12.494 --> 00:27:14.654 - teaches them how to teach the first lesson 746 00:27:14.654 --> 00:27:16.815 - in preach my gospel. The second lesson, they 747 00:27:16.815 --> 00:27:19.394 - train every month, and then they divide up, 748 00:27:19.615 --> 00:27:22.335 - and families will raise their hand or will 749 00:27:22.335 --> 00:27:24.414 - invite a family to hear a first discussion 750 00:27:24.414 --> 00:27:25.955 - or a a second discussion. 751 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.099 - And these youth are incredible. 752 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.200 - And so at first, it was like, can 753 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.920 - we really have our youth teach the lessons, 754 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.000 - and will they wanna go out? You know, 755 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.320 - they're not even really, you know, ministering as 756 00:27:38.320 --> 00:27:40.080 - much as they should. Like, should we ask 757 00:27:40.080 --> 00:27:41.759 - them to do Yeah. You know, this missionary 758 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:42.259 - program? 759 00:27:42.694 --> 00:27:44.535 - And you give them a challenge and they 760 00:27:44.535 --> 00:27:46.775 - just rise to it. So our youth love 761 00:27:46.775 --> 00:27:48.774 - going out. They love it. My son is 762 00:27:48.774 --> 00:27:49.674 - a youth missionary. 763 00:27:50.295 --> 00:27:53.255 - I have interviewed now six of these youth 764 00:27:53.255 --> 00:27:55.174 - missionaries that are leaving this summer and this 765 00:27:55.174 --> 00:27:57.650 - fall on their missions. I have never seen 766 00:27:57.650 --> 00:28:00.210 - better prepared full time missionaries. That's awesome. Because 767 00:28:00.210 --> 00:28:01.650 - they've... For a year or two, they've been 768 00:28:01.650 --> 00:28:04.150 - teaching how to preach my gospel. They've been 769 00:28:04.210 --> 00:28:05.910 - answering questions from members. 770 00:28:06.609 --> 00:28:08.690 - And like that impression I had that we 771 00:28:08.690 --> 00:28:11.475 - would see miracles, we've seen one less active 772 00:28:11.475 --> 00:28:14.355 - family that heard our two, you know, 17 773 00:28:14.355 --> 00:28:17.414 - year old girls teach them. We're so touched 774 00:28:17.795 --> 00:28:19.894 - by their message. They came back to church. 775 00:28:19.955 --> 00:28:20.455 - Wow. 776 00:28:20.835 --> 00:28:22.674 - We've had a friend that was not a 777 00:28:22.674 --> 00:28:24.355 - member of the church take the old missionary 778 00:28:24.355 --> 00:28:25.494 - lessons after 779 00:28:25.849 --> 00:28:28.570 - getting that first lesson from the youth. And 780 00:28:28.570 --> 00:28:30.650 - we're just hearing families in our ward are 781 00:28:30.650 --> 00:28:32.650 - just begging these youth to come over because 782 00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:35.289 - they they bring a spirit. They're fun. They're 783 00:28:35.289 --> 00:28:35.789 - young. 784 00:28:36.250 --> 00:28:38.809 - And it has been a remarkable experience. So 785 00:28:38.809 --> 00:28:41.025 - that that's one that comes to mind of 786 00:28:41.325 --> 00:28:43.244 - meet them where they are, but then give 787 00:28:43.244 --> 00:28:44.865 - them a bar that's challenging 788 00:28:45.404 --> 00:28:47.325 - and invite them to grow and really challenge 789 00:28:47.325 --> 00:28:50.625 - them. Wow. That's awesome. Is there any specific 790 00:28:50.684 --> 00:28:52.365 - tweaks you've made with that or things you've 791 00:28:52.365 --> 00:28:53.984 - learned over the time that 792 00:28:54.340 --> 00:28:55.160 - you haven't mentioned? 793 00:28:55.539 --> 00:28:56.119 - The, you 794 00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:58.660 - know, our... As I said, our assistant word 795 00:28:58.660 --> 00:29:00.119 - mission leader is incredible. 796 00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:02.920 - They were doing trainings at at church 797 00:29:03.380 --> 00:29:04.840 - every month, but then he 798 00:29:05.299 --> 00:29:07.140 - said, why don't we do it Sunday morning 799 00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:09.480 - before church? They go over and have waffles 800 00:29:09.539 --> 00:29:12.384 - and and then learn some training of of 801 00:29:12.384 --> 00:29:13.204 - how to teach. 802 00:29:13.664 --> 00:29:15.345 - I think it's been really fun for the 803 00:29:15.345 --> 00:29:17.664 - youth because they they can come back and 804 00:29:17.664 --> 00:29:20.065 - say, oh, I got this question on, you 805 00:29:20.065 --> 00:29:22.244 - know, Joseph Smith, or I got this question 806 00:29:22.304 --> 00:29:24.304 - on the plan of salvation. Like, how do 807 00:29:24.304 --> 00:29:26.990 - we respond to it? And so the youth 808 00:29:26.990 --> 00:29:28.289 - are starting to share, 809 00:29:28.909 --> 00:29:31.329 - yeah, what they're learning with other youth. 810 00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:33.789 - They love... Like, these are... They have their 811 00:29:33.789 --> 00:29:35.869 - driver's license. They love going on their own. 812 00:29:35.869 --> 00:29:38.029 - Like, at first, I thought we'd have to, 813 00:29:38.429 --> 00:29:41.234 - yeah, maybe chaperone them or accompany them. Yeah. 814 00:29:41.474 --> 00:29:43.875 - The youth, they're so talented. I mean, this 815 00:29:43.875 --> 00:29:46.035 - this rising generation is so talented. We talked 816 00:29:46.035 --> 00:29:47.494 - about it last time on the podcast. 817 00:29:48.035 --> 00:29:49.875 - They love going on their own. They love 818 00:29:49.875 --> 00:29:51.255 - just going into companionship 819 00:29:52.035 --> 00:29:54.375 - and being ready for whatever questions, 820 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.619 - you know, may 821 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.240 - arise. So I'd say the training is the 822 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.119 - one that we've we've learned, most. I think, 823 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.220 - you know, Bishop Trimble was... When he was 824 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.740 - in stating it, they would meet every, week. 825 00:30:07.095 --> 00:30:09.174 - The... Our youth go out every other week. 826 00:30:09.174 --> 00:30:11.734 - So it's not as frequent, but they usually 827 00:30:11.734 --> 00:30:12.634 - do two lessons. 828 00:30:13.174 --> 00:30:14.694 - And like I said, the demand has been 829 00:30:14.694 --> 00:30:16.315 - huge. There's now a waiting list 830 00:30:16.775 --> 00:30:18.869 - for all of our youth to teach. Wow. 831 00:30:19.109 --> 00:30:20.390 - And is that a list you pass around 832 00:30:20.390 --> 00:30:21.990 - during church, or how do the people get 833 00:30:21.990 --> 00:30:22.970 - on that list? They 834 00:30:23.589 --> 00:30:25.910 - email our award mission leader, assistant word mission 835 00:30:25.910 --> 00:30:27.750 - leader, and and say, I love the lesson. 836 00:30:27.750 --> 00:30:28.490 - But then 837 00:30:28.789 --> 00:30:31.369 - they've been teaching all first discussions, but then 838 00:30:31.430 --> 00:30:33.554 - now it's, I need the second discussion, the 839 00:30:33.554 --> 00:30:36.275 - third discussion. And now our youth that are 840 00:30:36.275 --> 00:30:37.174 - turning eight, 841 00:30:37.634 --> 00:30:39.234 - they want the youth to come teach them 842 00:30:39.234 --> 00:30:41.954 - before they're baptized. So we're starting to put... 843 00:30:41.954 --> 00:30:43.335 - Program that in, basically. 844 00:30:43.714 --> 00:30:45.714 - Our rising eight year olds before they're baptized 845 00:30:45.714 --> 00:30:46.615 - will get a youth 846 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:49.240 - missionary lesson. And so it's just just been... 847 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:50.279 - Yeah. There's so many things you can do 848 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:51.340 - with it. And and, obviously, 849 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:52.380 - you know, 850 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:54.600 - customize it to the needs in your area 851 00:30:54.600 --> 00:30:56.119 - or how it works and, you know, try 852 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.119 - this. Maybe that didn't work. That's alright. You 853 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.255 - can test it. So... Yep. That's really good. 854 00:31:00.335 --> 00:31:02.414 - Really good. Tell me about as far as 855 00:31:02.414 --> 00:31:04.575 - exporting your strength. Have you touched on that 856 00:31:04.575 --> 00:31:07.775 - yet? Yeah. You know, we had a general 857 00:31:07.775 --> 00:31:10.994 - authority 70 come to our stake. And and, 858 00:31:11.295 --> 00:31:13.875 - you know, our stake is, I'd say, 859 00:31:14.174 --> 00:31:14.674 - well-to-do 860 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:16.579 - in Utah County. 861 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.579 - And I remember his words. He specifically said, 862 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:22.019 - export your strength. 863 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:23.299 - And 864 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:25.839 - think how you can... Like we were talking 865 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.240 - about before, how you can, yes, influence your 866 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.640 - family and immediate community and your church and 867 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:31.335 - your ward, 868 00:31:31.734 --> 00:31:32.554 - but also 869 00:31:32.855 --> 00:31:33.835 - how you can 870 00:31:34.934 --> 00:31:36.634 - look greater, stretch yourself. 871 00:31:37.414 --> 00:31:38.554 - I've seen that in 872 00:31:39.015 --> 00:31:39.994 - multiple ways. 873 00:31:40.534 --> 00:31:43.414 - BYU Pathways is an incredible program. We have 874 00:31:43.414 --> 00:31:45.609 - a couple of our members that are set 875 00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:48.509 - apart as full time BYU Pathway missionaries. Mhmm. 876 00:31:48.649 --> 00:31:51.769 - They will teach and coach, and the... We 877 00:31:51.769 --> 00:31:53.849 - have one that's an institute teacher for BYU 878 00:31:53.849 --> 00:31:56.190 - Pathways and one that teaches English. 879 00:31:56.809 --> 00:31:59.115 - Every Thursdays and Fridays, they're meeting with kids 880 00:31:59.115 --> 00:32:01.055 - in Africa and Latin America, 881 00:32:01.515 --> 00:32:04.714 - and they are exporting their strength. Right? They're 882 00:32:04.714 --> 00:32:05.615 - giving back. 883 00:32:05.994 --> 00:32:08.075 - You know, we have a family in our 884 00:32:08.075 --> 00:32:10.494 - ward that that couple years ago said, 885 00:32:10.890 --> 00:32:12.570 - how can we have a bigger impact on 886 00:32:12.570 --> 00:32:14.650 - the world and community? And he was an 887 00:32:14.650 --> 00:32:17.549 - eye doctor, and so he started collecting eyeglasses. 888 00:32:18.329 --> 00:32:20.430 - And now they have an eyeglass business 889 00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:23.690 - all across Africa and Southeast Asia. When I 890 00:32:23.690 --> 00:32:25.369 - was in Kenya, I was in Kenya for 891 00:32:25.369 --> 00:32:26.349 - work. I visited. 892 00:32:26.835 --> 00:32:27.575 - I delivered 893 00:32:28.275 --> 00:32:31.554 - 10 full duffle bags full of eyeglasses that 894 00:32:31.554 --> 00:32:32.454 - had been donated 895 00:32:32.755 --> 00:32:35.315 - Wow. To these clinics in Kenya. So I 896 00:32:35.315 --> 00:32:36.214 - think it is 897 00:32:36.595 --> 00:32:37.095 - really 898 00:32:37.714 --> 00:32:38.194 - being, 899 00:32:38.515 --> 00:32:41.174 - thoughtful and intentional and stretching ourselves. 900 00:32:41.990 --> 00:32:44.009 - Again, going back to those statistics, 901 00:32:44.869 --> 00:32:47.830 - we are 0.01% 902 00:32:47.830 --> 00:32:48.650 - of the population 903 00:32:49.590 --> 00:32:50.490 - that knows 904 00:32:50.789 --> 00:32:53.049 - about temple covenants and the plan of salvation 905 00:32:53.430 --> 00:32:54.710 - and that we have a prophet on the 906 00:32:54.710 --> 00:32:56.974 - earth. Yeah. We have a responsibility 907 00:32:57.674 --> 00:32:59.615 - to impact the world for truth. 908 00:32:59.994 --> 00:33:00.494 - I, 909 00:33:01.275 --> 00:33:01.775 - personally... 910 00:33:02.154 --> 00:33:02.654 - So 911 00:33:03.195 --> 00:33:05.595 - my profession is I'm a investor. So we 912 00:33:05.595 --> 00:33:07.214 - do international stock investing. 913 00:33:07.674 --> 00:33:09.674 - I have a fund. It's called Ethos Investment 914 00:33:09.674 --> 00:33:12.950 - Management, and we invest in Africa, Southeast Asia, 915 00:33:12.950 --> 00:33:13.929 - and Latin America. 916 00:33:14.630 --> 00:33:16.309 - Two years ago, maybe two and a half 917 00:33:16.309 --> 00:33:18.389 - years ago, BYU Pathways came to me and 918 00:33:18.389 --> 00:33:21.849 - they said, we have graduates graduating from Philippines 919 00:33:21.909 --> 00:33:22.649 - and Africa, 920 00:33:23.204 --> 00:33:25.204 - but they don't have internships by the time 921 00:33:25.204 --> 00:33:27.525 - they graduate. Would you be willing to give 922 00:33:27.525 --> 00:33:30.265 - a couple students an internship, a finance internship? 923 00:33:31.044 --> 00:33:33.284 - And I said, sure. You know, we'll have, 924 00:33:33.284 --> 00:33:35.365 - like, five students maybe, and I'll give them 925 00:33:35.365 --> 00:33:37.065 - companies to research in Africa. 926 00:33:37.390 --> 00:33:39.809 - That first cohort, we had 200 applications. 927 00:33:40.589 --> 00:33:42.450 - They ended up taking 50, 928 00:33:43.230 --> 00:33:45.390 - way more than I thought we were ready 929 00:33:45.390 --> 00:33:47.950 - for. We gave them companies to cover in 930 00:33:47.950 --> 00:33:49.329 - Southeast Asia and Africa, 931 00:33:49.744 --> 00:33:52.225 - and they they were... Did remarkable work by 932 00:33:52.225 --> 00:33:53.845 - the end of the ten week internship. 933 00:33:54.225 --> 00:33:55.825 - Someone came to me at that time, and 934 00:33:55.825 --> 00:33:58.625 - they said, one of our mantras at BYU 935 00:33:58.625 --> 00:33:59.765 - Pathways is 936 00:34:00.225 --> 00:34:00.725 - intelligence 937 00:34:01.184 --> 00:34:04.669 - is equally distributed around the world, but opportunity 938 00:34:04.730 --> 00:34:06.509 - is not. Mhmm. Yeah. 939 00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:09.210 - And, you know, we sort of tested that 940 00:34:09.210 --> 00:34:09.710 - hypothesis 941 00:34:10.250 --> 00:34:10.750 - of, 942 00:34:11.130 --> 00:34:13.949 - you know, could they actually do financial analysis 943 00:34:14.089 --> 00:34:16.250 - work? And then once we tested it and 944 00:34:16.250 --> 00:34:18.744 - saw that they could, these are smart kids 945 00:34:18.744 --> 00:34:20.284 - in Uganda or Philippines, 946 00:34:21.065 --> 00:34:24.025 - we started actually to hire them. So our 947 00:34:24.025 --> 00:34:26.184 - first one, I remember her name was Grace. 948 00:34:26.184 --> 00:34:27.324 - She was from Uganda, 949 00:34:28.025 --> 00:34:31.065 - and she did such incredible work that we 950 00:34:31.065 --> 00:34:31.565 - said 951 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:33.660 - intelligence is equally distributed. 952 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.920 - Opportunity is not. But that's my opportunity as 953 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:37.579 - an employer. 954 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.360 - And so, you know, for example, we've hired 955 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.160 - 10 associates full time, full time jobs. We 956 00:34:43.160 --> 00:34:45.239 - pay for their CFA, which is the highest 957 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:46.860 - level of finance degree. 958 00:34:47.324 --> 00:34:49.324 - There's an analyst I have in in Uganda. 959 00:34:49.324 --> 00:34:50.304 - His name is Douglas. 960 00:34:51.005 --> 00:34:54.284 - He is so smart, so hardworking. He just 961 00:34:54.284 --> 00:34:56.844 - got married. He's in the executive secretary in 962 00:34:56.844 --> 00:34:57.664 - the state presidency. 963 00:34:58.204 --> 00:34:59.025 - But I was 964 00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.180 - overseas. I was in South Africa, but I 965 00:35:01.180 --> 00:35:03.280 - miss my flight. Our flight was delayed. 966 00:35:03.660 --> 00:35:04.400 - And so 967 00:35:04.700 --> 00:35:05.200 - Douglas, 968 00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:07.840 - it was his first time meeting 969 00:35:08.140 --> 00:35:09.360 - a company in Kenya. 970 00:35:09.739 --> 00:35:10.880 - He flew to Kenya. 971 00:35:11.385 --> 00:35:13.704 - My flight was delayed. He's... He met the 972 00:35:13.704 --> 00:35:16.824 - CEO of Safaricom, the largest company in Kenya 973 00:35:17.065 --> 00:35:19.864 - Wow. As a 22 year old young analyst. 974 00:35:19.864 --> 00:35:21.945 - And he sits down, and he's a return 975 00:35:21.945 --> 00:35:25.200 - missionary. He sits down and just asks insightful 976 00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:28.000 - questions, holds a great meeting with the CEO. 977 00:35:28.140 --> 00:35:29.500 - I heard from the company, like, who is 978 00:35:29.500 --> 00:35:31.739 - your analyst? He's so sharp. It was his 979 00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:34.079 - first meeting. Wow. And so 980 00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:36.960 - we have proven that hypothesis 981 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:38.000 - that 982 00:35:38.594 --> 00:35:41.315 - intelligence is equally distributed around the world. But 983 00:35:41.315 --> 00:35:43.014 - I think that goes back to that principle 984 00:35:43.074 --> 00:35:43.574 - of 985 00:35:43.875 --> 00:35:45.175 - invite people to grow. 986 00:35:45.715 --> 00:35:47.175 - People are so talented, 987 00:35:47.474 --> 00:35:50.434 - whether it's our youth, whether it's BYU pathway 988 00:35:50.434 --> 00:35:50.934 - students. 989 00:35:51.339 --> 00:35:53.359 - They are so talented and gifted, 990 00:35:53.739 --> 00:35:56.300 - and it's our opportunity to believe in them, 991 00:35:56.300 --> 00:35:58.800 - see their potential, and actually give them opportunities 992 00:35:59.659 --> 00:36:01.579 - to grow. And I think if, you know, 993 00:36:01.579 --> 00:36:02.079 - maybe 994 00:36:02.380 --> 00:36:04.699 - members in in Utah or others that are 995 00:36:04.699 --> 00:36:05.599 - sort of comfortable, 996 00:36:06.234 --> 00:36:07.214 - It's our opportunity 997 00:36:07.514 --> 00:36:10.234 - to export our strength Yeah. And think beyond 998 00:36:10.234 --> 00:36:10.974 - our initial 999 00:36:11.355 --> 00:36:14.074 - ward boundaries. Yeah. That's a really powerful concept 1000 00:36:14.074 --> 00:36:17.214 - and and really applies to everybody because there's 1001 00:36:17.434 --> 00:36:19.820 - different seasons that we go through where we're 1002 00:36:19.820 --> 00:36:22.239 - really needed in award or in certain callings. 1003 00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:24.380 - Then there's seasons when we're not, and that's 1004 00:36:24.380 --> 00:36:26.699 - maybe a time to shift to how can 1005 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:28.539 - I export? And there's so many ways to 1006 00:36:28.539 --> 00:36:31.260 - do that even through fast offering funds from, 1007 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:34.364 - you know, missions you can serve. There's maybe 1008 00:36:34.364 --> 00:36:35.905 - more formal ways, but also 1009 00:36:36.284 --> 00:36:38.445 - informal ways to really export your strength and 1010 00:36:38.684 --> 00:36:41.324 - Mhmm. And have a broader impact. Yeah. You 1011 00:36:41.324 --> 00:36:42.864 - know? Yep. I think we're 1012 00:36:43.244 --> 00:36:45.724 - kinship, Kurt. Yeah. And I think I think 1013 00:36:45.724 --> 00:36:47.965 - leading saints is a prime example of it 1014 00:36:47.965 --> 00:36:50.119 - of you could have just sat and been 1015 00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.300 - comfortable. Mhmm. Yeah. But instead, 1016 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:53.820 - you're exporting 1017 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:56.140 - the knowledge, the wisdom, the inspiration, 1018 00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.239 - and you're going the extra mile because you're 1019 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.900 - being intentional. Yeah. And the reality is like 1020 00:37:02.105 --> 00:37:03.545 - we are 0.1 1021 00:37:03.545 --> 00:37:04.284 - of the population 1022 00:37:04.664 --> 00:37:06.364 - on Earth for a couple decades. 1023 00:37:07.065 --> 00:37:09.065 - What can we do to have the most 1024 00:37:09.065 --> 00:37:10.284 - impact we can? 1025 00:37:10.585 --> 00:37:12.424 - Yeah. And I think that's just a a 1026 00:37:12.424 --> 00:37:13.404 - core principle, 1027 00:37:13.784 --> 00:37:14.534 - a core 1028 00:37:14.849 --> 00:37:16.309 - nature of a Zion builder 1029 00:37:16.769 --> 00:37:18.369 - is you feel that drive to export your 1030 00:37:18.369 --> 00:37:21.030 - strength. And oftentimes, I feel like we default 1031 00:37:21.090 --> 00:37:22.610 - to... You see it a lot. You know, 1032 00:37:22.610 --> 00:37:25.730 - everybody's starting a Instagram channel, even a podcast 1033 00:37:25.730 --> 00:37:27.914 - or whatever. It's like, I'm gonna share goodness 1034 00:37:27.914 --> 00:37:29.675 - to the world, and we're, like, making memes 1035 00:37:29.675 --> 00:37:32.315 - or putting this cute flowery quote up, which 1036 00:37:32.315 --> 00:37:34.394 - is great. No no shade on that. But 1037 00:37:34.394 --> 00:37:36.075 - at the same time, it's like, well, is 1038 00:37:36.075 --> 00:37:38.235 - that really your strength? Or, like, is there 1039 00:37:38.235 --> 00:37:39.914 - maybe a different way you can go about 1040 00:37:39.914 --> 00:37:42.414 - to really serve Yeah. Serve the world? So 1041 00:37:42.530 --> 00:37:44.630 - in BY pathway, that's... We're actually 1042 00:37:45.089 --> 00:37:47.329 - working with a company that's trying to place 1043 00:37:47.329 --> 00:37:50.150 - students Oh, great. Great. And and graduates 1044 00:37:50.609 --> 00:37:52.769 - in jobs because... And we have one shout 1045 00:37:52.769 --> 00:37:55.010 - out to Emily down in the Dominican Republic 1046 00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:57.670 - who works for Leading Saints and does 1047 00:37:58.055 --> 00:38:00.855 - so... Like, she's so sharp and so talented. 1048 00:38:00.855 --> 00:38:03.095 - Right? Very talented. The world is so small 1049 00:38:03.095 --> 00:38:05.255 - now that it's like, man, if you need 1050 00:38:05.255 --> 00:38:06.795 - a remote worker or... 1051 00:38:07.095 --> 00:38:09.515 - Let's first look at some BOA pathway 1052 00:38:10.170 --> 00:38:11.710 - graduates or students because 1053 00:38:12.089 --> 00:38:14.730 - that program alone is like you you tore 1054 00:38:14.730 --> 00:38:16.650 - their off, you know, their campus or, you 1055 00:38:16.650 --> 00:38:18.730 - know, their home office or whatever and just 1056 00:38:18.730 --> 00:38:20.250 - see what they're doing and you're like, wow. 1057 00:38:20.250 --> 00:38:21.230 - This is incredible. 1058 00:38:21.609 --> 00:38:23.210 - But it's like... And then they kinda just 1059 00:38:23.210 --> 00:38:24.924 - fall off because they... That, like you said, 1060 00:38:24.924 --> 00:38:25.505 - that opportunity 1061 00:38:26.605 --> 00:38:29.404 - isn't abundant after school. Yep. And I think 1062 00:38:29.404 --> 00:38:30.844 - there's a lot... As Larry says, we could 1063 00:38:30.844 --> 00:38:32.844 - do to create that and make sure that 1064 00:38:32.844 --> 00:38:35.344 - there's more opportunity there. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. 1065 00:38:35.804 --> 00:38:37.724 - It's one of the most miraculous things happening 1066 00:38:37.724 --> 00:38:39.164 - in the world right now that I think 1067 00:38:39.164 --> 00:38:41.809 - many people don't know about is BYU pathways. 1068 00:38:41.809 --> 00:38:42.710 - Yeah. Unbelievable. 1069 00:38:43.170 --> 00:38:44.690 - Anything else as far as invite to grow 1070 00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:46.690 - that we haven't touched on? Or... No. I 1071 00:38:46.690 --> 00:38:48.690 - think the last one, maybe I mentioned it 1072 00:38:48.690 --> 00:38:49.590 - to you is 1073 00:38:50.050 --> 00:38:51.110 - maybe the inefficiency 1074 00:38:51.489 --> 00:38:53.890 - of seeking after the one Yeah. Is another 1075 00:38:53.890 --> 00:38:54.390 - lesson 1076 00:38:54.690 --> 00:38:55.190 - of 1077 00:38:55.684 --> 00:38:57.864 - learning to love as Christ loved. 1078 00:38:58.405 --> 00:38:59.704 - So if we think about 1079 00:39:00.085 --> 00:39:00.585 - Jesus 1080 00:39:00.885 --> 00:39:01.945 - and his ministry, 1081 00:39:02.804 --> 00:39:03.704 - it was incredible. 1082 00:39:04.244 --> 00:39:06.324 - But oftentimes, it would almost be a head 1083 00:39:06.324 --> 00:39:08.505 - scratcher of why are you doing this 1084 00:39:08.869 --> 00:39:10.869 - at this time? Like, think about third Nephi 1085 00:39:10.869 --> 00:39:12.489 - 11. Right? Like, 1086 00:39:13.030 --> 00:39:13.530 - he 1087 00:39:13.910 --> 00:39:15.670 - let 2,500 1088 00:39:15.670 --> 00:39:16.890 - people individually, 1089 00:39:17.349 --> 00:39:20.010 - one by one, touch his hands. Right? 1090 00:39:20.469 --> 00:39:20.969 - And 1091 00:39:21.414 --> 00:39:23.974 - there were times when his ministry was so 1092 00:39:23.974 --> 00:39:26.234 - much more focused on the one 1093 00:39:27.014 --> 00:39:28.634 - than being efficient. 1094 00:39:29.255 --> 00:39:31.434 - Why didn't he, you know, broadcast 1095 00:39:32.054 --> 00:39:34.054 - it... His ministry to the world rather than 1096 00:39:34.054 --> 00:39:36.369 - going to a woman in Samaria 1097 00:39:36.829 --> 00:39:39.469 - who who was viewed as less than. Right? 1098 00:39:39.469 --> 00:39:40.430 - In the middle of the day of the 1099 00:39:40.430 --> 00:39:41.550 - well when... In the middle of the day. 1100 00:39:41.550 --> 00:39:43.150 - There's not gonna be crowds there. Right. Yeah. 1101 00:39:43.150 --> 00:39:45.250 - And that almost universally is 1102 00:39:45.550 --> 00:39:46.289 - how Christ 1103 00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:47.090 - led. 1104 00:39:47.424 --> 00:39:49.824 - I had a personal experience when I was 1105 00:39:49.824 --> 00:39:52.144 - called as bishop. I went to the temple 1106 00:39:52.144 --> 00:39:54.085 - and sat there in the temple and was 1107 00:39:54.224 --> 00:39:56.704 - hoping for, you know, some piece of comfort 1108 00:39:56.704 --> 00:39:58.484 - of how am I gonna do this. 1109 00:39:58.784 --> 00:39:59.105 - And, 1110 00:39:59.585 --> 00:40:01.344 - I opened up to the scriptures as I 1111 00:40:01.344 --> 00:40:04.420 - often do, as often happens to us in 1112 00:40:04.420 --> 00:40:06.760 - these moments, and I opened up 1113 00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:08.440 - to the experience 1114 00:40:09.380 --> 00:40:11.539 - where the woman with the issue of blood 1115 00:40:11.539 --> 00:40:13.239 - touched the hem of Christ's robe. 1116 00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:14.280 - And 1117 00:40:14.964 --> 00:40:16.885 - as you know, Christ was, you know, walking 1118 00:40:16.885 --> 00:40:18.905 - somewhere important with his disciples 1119 00:40:19.525 --> 00:40:20.425 - in a crowd, 1120 00:40:20.964 --> 00:40:23.144 - and this woman touched his hem 1121 00:40:23.844 --> 00:40:26.804 - of his garment, and he stopped, and he 1122 00:40:26.804 --> 00:40:28.724 - saw her, and he said, how great is 1123 00:40:28.724 --> 00:40:30.710 - your faith? And he healed her. 1124 00:40:31.329 --> 00:40:33.570 - Mhmm. And the impression I had was that, 1125 00:40:33.570 --> 00:40:34.070 - yes, 1126 00:40:34.849 --> 00:40:37.510 - you're gonna have a lot of administrative duties, 1127 00:40:38.050 --> 00:40:38.869 - but never 1128 00:40:39.409 --> 00:40:42.050 - lose sight of that woman. Always be willing 1129 00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:42.789 - to stop 1130 00:40:43.815 --> 00:40:44.954 - and be inefficient. 1131 00:40:45.414 --> 00:40:47.514 - Right? Be late for a meeting. 1132 00:40:48.054 --> 00:40:48.635 - Be inefficient, 1133 00:40:49.655 --> 00:40:51.994 - but be there for that that woman 1134 00:40:52.295 --> 00:40:53.914 - or that one in need. 1135 00:40:54.855 --> 00:40:55.434 - And, yeah, 1136 00:40:55.815 --> 00:40:57.835 - it's often astonished me how 1137 00:40:58.409 --> 00:41:00.750 - running the gospel of Jesus Christ is 1138 00:41:01.130 --> 00:41:04.089 - amazingly efficient at times. You have... Like, my 1139 00:41:04.089 --> 00:41:05.929 - counselor in the bishop, Ricky, says, you have 1140 00:41:05.929 --> 00:41:08.589 - to administer well to minister well. 1141 00:41:08.969 --> 00:41:10.269 - And that's true. Yeah. 1142 00:41:10.655 --> 00:41:13.054 - But, you know, heavenly father gave me that 1143 00:41:13.054 --> 00:41:14.894 - reminder at the temple that day that I 1144 00:41:14.894 --> 00:41:17.155 - always needed to be willing to stop 1145 00:41:17.534 --> 00:41:19.934 - and minister to the one even if it 1146 00:41:19.934 --> 00:41:21.614 - would make me late to a meeting, even 1147 00:41:21.614 --> 00:41:24.114 - if it wasn't efficient. Because, actually, Jesus was 1148 00:41:24.335 --> 00:41:25.315 - very inefficient 1149 00:41:26.170 --> 00:41:28.329 - in how he ministered, but it was always 1150 00:41:28.329 --> 00:41:29.389 - about the one 1151 00:41:29.849 --> 00:41:32.650 - and what that represented and the culture that 1152 00:41:32.650 --> 00:41:33.309 - that created 1153 00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:35.070 - rather than 1154 00:41:35.369 --> 00:41:36.670 - always being efficient. 1155 00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:38.969 - Yeah. It's powerful. I I think it was 1156 00:41:38.969 --> 00:41:40.170 - the classic stories from, 1157 00:41:40.944 --> 00:41:44.224 - president Monson. Right? Yes. Him leaving meetings or 1158 00:41:44.224 --> 00:41:44.944 - just Yes. 1159 00:41:45.344 --> 00:41:47.664 - Taking the time one on one, right, to 1160 00:41:47.664 --> 00:41:50.545 - minister so many, but that's inspiring. Really good 1161 00:41:50.545 --> 00:41:51.045 - stuff. 1162 00:41:51.424 --> 00:41:52.944 - Do we cover it? I mean, any other 1163 00:41:52.944 --> 00:41:55.025 - point principle concept? What do we need to 1164 00:41:55.309 --> 00:41:56.590 - No. I think that's great. I mean, I 1165 00:41:56.590 --> 00:41:58.449 - think it's... We're all learning. 1166 00:41:58.989 --> 00:41:59.809 - You know, it's, 1167 00:42:00.269 --> 00:42:03.250 - church services is so fun because you just... 1168 00:42:03.550 --> 00:42:04.530 - You get to learn 1169 00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:07.309 - what Christ would say here, what he would 1170 00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:08.050 - do here, 1171 00:42:08.349 --> 00:42:10.050 - how he would teach this principle, 1172 00:42:10.824 --> 00:42:13.625 - and you're always learning because you're always so, 1173 00:42:13.625 --> 00:42:16.285 - so far below Mhmm. Below the master. 1174 00:42:16.905 --> 00:42:17.804 - But what I've 1175 00:42:18.105 --> 00:42:20.425 - certainly learned, I will never be the same 1176 00:42:20.425 --> 00:42:21.485 - after this calling 1177 00:42:22.105 --> 00:42:23.485 - because I know that 1178 00:42:23.949 --> 00:42:25.329 - when I'm meeting with someone 1179 00:42:26.030 --> 00:42:27.789 - and I look up to heaven and I 1180 00:42:27.789 --> 00:42:28.289 - say, 1181 00:42:28.670 --> 00:42:30.989 - what would Jesus say or how is he 1182 00:42:30.989 --> 00:42:33.090 - feeling right now in heavenly father, 1183 00:42:33.710 --> 00:42:34.369 - it is 1184 00:42:34.910 --> 00:42:37.710 - overwhelming love and mercy like I've never felt 1185 00:42:37.710 --> 00:42:38.929 - in my life before 1186 00:42:40.214 --> 00:42:41.974 - And I will never be the same after 1187 00:42:41.974 --> 00:42:44.454 - that. That every time you say, okay, what 1188 00:42:44.454 --> 00:42:46.855 - would Christ say in this situation to this 1189 00:42:46.855 --> 00:42:49.174 - person? I I... James doesn't know the answer. 1190 00:42:49.174 --> 00:42:51.194 - I have no idea how to counsel, 1191 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.579 - you know, a couple or 1192 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:54.940 - addictions 1193 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:55.739 - or... 1194 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.440 - But you you look up and say, what 1195 00:42:58.440 --> 00:42:59.900 - would he say to them? 1196 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:01.099 - It is 1197 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:02.219 - overwhelming 1198 00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:03.260 - love 1199 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.500 - and mercy and forgiveness. 1200 00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.215 - And every time, it just astonishes me that 1201 00:43:09.215 --> 00:43:10.114 - wave of 1202 00:43:10.494 --> 00:43:11.555 - of love and mercy 1203 00:43:12.255 --> 00:43:13.474 - and the magic 1204 00:43:14.015 --> 00:43:16.494 - and the healing power that the atonement does. 1205 00:43:16.494 --> 00:43:18.655 - I know I know you served as bishop 1206 00:43:18.655 --> 00:43:20.675 - too, but when someone walks in the door 1207 00:43:20.894 --> 00:43:22.494 - and you've been working with them and they've 1208 00:43:22.494 --> 00:43:23.155 - been working 1209 00:43:23.670 --> 00:43:25.269 - or a couple walks in the door and 1210 00:43:25.269 --> 00:43:26.409 - you've been working together 1211 00:43:26.949 --> 00:43:28.789 - and you just see the light in their 1212 00:43:28.789 --> 00:43:31.929 - eyes, there's nothing better, there's nothing better. 1213 00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:35.130 - And that's why Jesus, he, when he puts 1214 00:43:35.429 --> 00:43:38.010 - that sheep on his shoulder and rescues them, 1215 00:43:38.195 --> 00:43:38.775 - He rejoices 1216 00:43:39.474 --> 00:43:42.034 - because there is no better feeling than than 1217 00:43:42.034 --> 00:43:43.175 - watching the atonement 1218 00:43:43.474 --> 00:43:44.934 - do the healing power 1219 00:43:45.315 --> 00:43:47.875 - and seeing that light come back in in 1220 00:43:47.875 --> 00:43:49.894 - someone's eyes or a couple's eyes. 1221 00:43:50.369 --> 00:43:52.389 - So it's it's just a beautiful experience. 1222 00:43:57.089 --> 00:43:59.730 - That concludes this episode of the Leading Saints 1223 00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:01.650 - podcast. Hey. Listen. Would you do me a 1224 00:44:01.650 --> 00:44:03.969 - favor? You know, everybody's got that friend who 1225 00:44:03.969 --> 00:44:05.589 - listens to a ton of podcasts, 1226 00:44:05.934 --> 00:44:08.174 - and maybe they aren't aware of Leading Saints. 1227 00:44:08.174 --> 00:44:10.014 - So would you mind taking the link of 1228 00:44:10.014 --> 00:44:12.574 - this episode or another episode of Leading Saints 1229 00:44:12.574 --> 00:44:14.654 - and just texting it to that friend? You 1230 00:44:14.654 --> 00:44:16.574 - know who I'm talking about, the friend who 1231 00:44:16.574 --> 00:44:18.974 - always listens to podcasts and is always telling 1232 00:44:18.974 --> 00:44:20.880 - you about different podcasts. Well, it's your turn 1233 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.839 - to tell that friend about Leading Saints. So 1234 00:44:23.839 --> 00:44:25.440 - share it. We'd also love to hear from 1235 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:27.440 - you. If you have any perspective or thought 1236 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:29.839 - on this episode, you can go to leadingsaints.org 1237 00:44:29.839 --> 00:44:32.500 - and actually leave a comment on the, episode 1238 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.704 - page, or reach out to us at leading 1239 00:44:34.704 --> 00:44:36.244 - saints dot org slash contact. 1240 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:48.260 - It came as a result of the position 1241 00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.300 - of leadership which was imposed upon us 1242 00:44:51.680 --> 00:44:54.480 - by the God of heaven who brought forth 1243 00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.019 - a restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 1244 00:44:58.764 --> 00:44:59.744 - When the declaration 1245 00:45:00.125 --> 00:45:02.465 - was made concerning the only 1246 00:45:03.085 --> 00:45:05.484 - true and living Church upon the face of 1247 00:45:05.484 --> 00:45:06.224 - the earth, 1248 00:45:06.764 --> 00:45:09.505 - we were immediately put in a position of 1249 00:45:09.565 --> 00:45:10.065 - loneliness, 1250 00:45:10.445 --> 00:45:11.025 - the loneliness 1251 00:45:11.324 --> 00:45:11.984 - of leadership 1252 00:45:12.727 --> 00:45:15.627 - from which we cannot shrink nor run away, 1253 00:45:16.407 --> 00:45:18.887 - and to which we must face up with 1254 00:45:18.887 --> 00:45:20.347 - boldness and courage 1255 00:45:20.887 --> 00:45:21.707 - and ability.