WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.240 - Hey. If you think Leading Saints is just 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:06.960 - a podcast, well, that's a big mistake. We 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:08.960 - are so much more than a podcast. We've 4 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:11.939 - established online a Leading Saints community. 5 00:00:12.275 --> 00:00:15.014 - That's right. If you go to leadingsaints.org/zion, 6 00:00:15.074 --> 00:00:17.574 - you'll be pushed towards a community online where 7 00:00:17.635 --> 00:00:19.875 - the discussion is really happening. Sure. You're gonna 8 00:00:19.875 --> 00:00:21.554 - listen to this episode. You'll get some great 9 00:00:21.554 --> 00:00:23.814 - tips and ideas and hear a thought provoking 10 00:00:23.954 --> 00:00:27.250 - discussion, but the conversation doesn't end there. We, 11 00:00:27.410 --> 00:00:29.970 - go over to the leading saints community and 12 00:00:29.970 --> 00:00:31.570 - talk further there. You can make comments. 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You're gonna love it. 37 00:01:31.379 --> 00:01:33.299 - Over my twelve years of doing the leading 38 00:01:33.299 --> 00:01:35.859 - saints podcast, there's many interviews that I just 39 00:01:35.859 --> 00:01:38.545 - missed. And by that, I mean, the individual 40 00:01:38.604 --> 00:01:41.644 - passed away, even Clayton Christensen. I was talking 41 00:01:41.644 --> 00:01:43.885 - with his assistant. We had emails going back 42 00:01:43.885 --> 00:01:46.204 - and forth. We were organizing plans for me 43 00:01:46.204 --> 00:01:47.584 - to interview Clayton Christensen, 44 00:01:48.045 --> 00:01:49.965 - and then his health took a turn for 45 00:01:49.965 --> 00:01:53.000 - the worse and he passed away. Another person 46 00:01:53.060 --> 00:01:54.519 - that I wish I could have interviewed 47 00:01:54.819 --> 00:01:57.159 - was coach Lavelle Edwards, the legendary 48 00:01:57.620 --> 00:01:58.120 - BYU 49 00:01:58.579 --> 00:02:01.140 - football coach. And unfortunately he passed away about 50 00:02:01.140 --> 00:02:02.979 - ten years ago and I never had the 51 00:02:02.979 --> 00:02:05.640 - opportunity, but, hey, Kehlani, call me. Okay. 52 00:02:05.984 --> 00:02:07.905 - Anyways, today I have the opportunity to sort 53 00:02:07.905 --> 00:02:08.564 - of interview 54 00:02:09.185 --> 00:02:11.425 - coach Lavelle Edwards and that is because I 55 00:02:11.425 --> 00:02:12.965 - get to interview Mark Ogletree 56 00:02:13.665 --> 00:02:16.085 - and Dave McCann who both wrote the book, 57 00:02:16.305 --> 00:02:19.745 - The Leadership Legacy of Lavelle Edwards. And this 58 00:02:19.745 --> 00:02:20.485 - is a fantastic, 59 00:02:21.060 --> 00:02:23.700 - especially for you BYU fans or anybody interested 60 00:02:23.700 --> 00:02:24.439 - in leadership. 61 00:02:24.740 --> 00:02:27.240 - Lavelle Edwards was a unique and powerful 62 00:02:27.700 --> 00:02:30.500 - leader. And we talk about different stories. They 63 00:02:30.500 --> 00:02:31.000 - interviewed 64 00:02:31.460 --> 00:02:33.879 - so many former players, staff, 65 00:02:34.314 --> 00:02:37.194 - loved ones of coach Edwards and, put this 66 00:02:37.194 --> 00:02:40.495 - book together focusing on the leadership principles that 67 00:02:40.555 --> 00:02:42.334 - were prominent in his style. 68 00:02:42.794 --> 00:02:45.674 - Now, Mark Ogletree is a stake president. He's 69 00:02:45.674 --> 00:02:47.694 - a BYU professor of 70 00:02:47.995 --> 00:02:49.375 - church history and doctrine. 71 00:02:49.969 --> 00:02:52.370 - He is a therapist as well. He's been 72 00:02:52.370 --> 00:02:54.849 - on the podcast before. And Dave McCann, those 73 00:02:54.849 --> 00:02:57.349 - of you that follow BYU sports will definitely 74 00:02:57.490 --> 00:02:59.569 - recognize Dave as he's been a commentator on 75 00:02:59.569 --> 00:03:01.110 - BYU sports and broadcaster 76 00:03:01.490 --> 00:03:03.495 - of all things BYU for several years. And 77 00:03:03.495 --> 00:03:05.435 - so this is a great match of individuals 78 00:03:05.574 --> 00:03:08.454 - to come together and write this phenomenal book. 79 00:03:08.454 --> 00:03:11.495 - So enjoy these stories and this inspiration. There's 80 00:03:11.495 --> 00:03:13.034 - so many nuggets of leadership 81 00:03:13.334 --> 00:03:14.854 - that might inspire you. And if you need 82 00:03:14.854 --> 00:03:16.860 - more of that inspiration, you can go check 83 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:20.319 - out the book, The Leadership Legacy of Lavelle 84 00:03:20.379 --> 00:03:22.080 - Edwards. And here's my interview 85 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:24.639 - with Dave McCann and Mark Ogletree. 86 00:03:32.324 --> 00:03:32.824 - K. 87 00:03:34.004 --> 00:03:35.925 - So how did this project come together with 88 00:03:35.925 --> 00:03:38.084 - you two co authoring this book about You 89 00:03:38.084 --> 00:03:39.764 - mean take that one, David? Yeah. Why don't 90 00:03:39.764 --> 00:03:41.784 - you take that one? You are the project. 91 00:03:42.084 --> 00:03:42.584 - No. 92 00:03:42.965 --> 00:03:43.465 - Well, 93 00:03:43.764 --> 00:03:45.930 - on the day that Lavelle died, which was 94 00:03:46.169 --> 00:03:48.669 - December, I think, twenty ninth two thousand sixteen, 95 00:03:48.810 --> 00:03:50.430 - it was over Christmas break. 96 00:03:50.729 --> 00:03:52.569 - And so all day long on you know, 97 00:03:52.569 --> 00:03:54.250 - meaning I was home. I wasn't working. I 98 00:03:54.250 --> 00:03:56.329 - was home. And and all day long, there 99 00:03:56.329 --> 00:03:58.729 - were just these tributes to Lavelle, just playing 100 00:03:58.729 --> 00:04:00.989 - on the radio, on podcasts, on TV. 101 00:04:01.415 --> 00:04:03.254 - And when you heard the players talk about 102 00:04:03.254 --> 00:04:05.575 - their former coach, most of them were crying, 103 00:04:05.575 --> 00:04:07.115 - you know, and so you knew that this 104 00:04:07.415 --> 00:04:08.715 - the impact was incredible. 105 00:04:09.335 --> 00:04:11.275 - And then I remember going to his funeral 106 00:04:11.575 --> 00:04:13.514 - because I just felt like we needed to. 107 00:04:13.729 --> 00:04:16.050 - And then coming home and thinking, okay, something 108 00:04:16.050 --> 00:04:17.750 - has to be done. We've gotta capture 109 00:04:18.370 --> 00:04:19.350 - all these great 110 00:04:19.810 --> 00:04:22.689 - stories, especially when you recognize that so many 111 00:04:22.689 --> 00:04:25.410 - of these players now were like bishops and 112 00:04:25.410 --> 00:04:28.514 - stake presidents, but also CEOs and and even 113 00:04:28.514 --> 00:04:30.514 - head coaches at other colleges. They were they 114 00:04:30.514 --> 00:04:31.175 - were leaders. 115 00:04:31.795 --> 00:04:33.735 - And so how do we do this? And 116 00:04:33.955 --> 00:04:36.035 - and then Dave and I, you know, we 117 00:04:36.035 --> 00:04:38.355 - serve in the church together. So we've served 118 00:04:38.355 --> 00:04:40.035 - for a while. And one of the things 119 00:04:40.035 --> 00:04:41.475 - that Dave would often say to me is, 120 00:04:41.475 --> 00:04:42.829 - hey, hey. We need to write something together. 121 00:04:42.829 --> 00:04:44.029 - We always need to write we need to 122 00:04:44.029 --> 00:04:44.689 - write something. 123 00:04:45.149 --> 00:04:46.829 - This book kinda set on the shelf for 124 00:04:46.829 --> 00:04:48.050 - about eight years. 125 00:04:48.589 --> 00:04:51.069 - And my issue, Kurt, was that, okay. I 126 00:04:51.069 --> 00:04:52.909 - think I know what to write, but we 127 00:04:52.909 --> 00:04:54.829 - wanna interview the players, and I don't have 128 00:04:54.829 --> 00:04:56.669 - access to any how how would I ever 129 00:04:56.669 --> 00:04:59.294 - get access to Robbie Bosco? Or and then 130 00:04:59.294 --> 00:05:00.254 - all of a sudden when Dave and I 131 00:05:00.254 --> 00:05:01.615 - were talking one day, I realized he has 132 00:05:01.615 --> 00:05:03.375 - every one of those That's right. Players on 133 00:05:03.375 --> 00:05:04.995 - his speed dial. Right? One of them. 134 00:05:05.375 --> 00:05:07.935 - And so we started talking about it, and 135 00:05:07.935 --> 00:05:10.274 - the typical story of sitting in a restaurant 136 00:05:10.334 --> 00:05:12.175 - on a napkin, you know, sketching some things 137 00:05:12.175 --> 00:05:12.870 - out. And 138 00:05:14.790 --> 00:05:16.709 - we we and then we started having these 139 00:05:16.709 --> 00:05:17.209 - interviews. 140 00:05:17.669 --> 00:05:19.430 - And as the interviews started, that's when it 141 00:05:19.430 --> 00:05:21.910 - really gets fun because they're telling stories we've 142 00:05:21.910 --> 00:05:23.669 - never heard before. You know, and that was 143 00:05:23.669 --> 00:05:25.110 - the fun part for us, I think, is, 144 00:05:25.110 --> 00:05:27.514 - oh, we've never heard this. And if we've 145 00:05:27.514 --> 00:05:29.834 - never heard it, who are major BYU fans, 146 00:05:29.834 --> 00:05:31.355 - I bet a lot of people haven't heard 147 00:05:31.355 --> 00:05:33.754 - these stories. So but that was the origins 148 00:05:33.754 --> 00:05:36.574 - of let's capture the leadership legacy of Lavelle. 149 00:05:36.714 --> 00:05:38.555 - Yeah. Because it was a legacy for sure. 150 00:05:38.555 --> 00:05:40.154 - And what makes it great is 151 00:05:40.810 --> 00:05:42.810 - you know, what makes a person great is 152 00:05:42.810 --> 00:05:45.050 - what you can learn from them. Lavelle won 153 00:05:45.050 --> 00:05:45.949 - a lot of games, 154 00:05:46.250 --> 00:05:47.470 - won a national championship, 155 00:05:48.089 --> 00:05:49.449 - is in the hall of fame and all 156 00:05:49.449 --> 00:05:51.209 - that stuff. You know what? If you win 157 00:05:51.209 --> 00:05:52.029 - enough games 158 00:05:52.490 --> 00:05:54.029 - and win a national championship, 159 00:05:54.490 --> 00:05:55.949 - you get in the hall of fame. 160 00:05:56.294 --> 00:05:58.615 - So that's significant, and that might get your 161 00:05:58.694 --> 00:06:00.235 - help get your name on the stadium. 162 00:06:00.535 --> 00:06:03.095 - But what makes Lavelle a story is is 163 00:06:03.095 --> 00:06:03.995 - how he impacted, 164 00:06:04.454 --> 00:06:07.014 - the people he was around, and that impact 165 00:06:07.014 --> 00:06:09.435 - continues long after he's gone. He's been almost 166 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:11.879 - gone ten years, but you would know it 167 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.400 - in the lives of the people we talk 168 00:06:13.400 --> 00:06:13.900 - to. 169 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:15.960 - And there are many, many more, and we 170 00:06:15.960 --> 00:06:17.639 - apologize we didn't get to everybody because you 171 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:19.720 - couldn't get to everybody. Yeah. But what makes 172 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:20.939 - him great is 173 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.685 - he was a great person, and you can 174 00:06:23.685 --> 00:06:26.185 - read this football book and learn about leadership 175 00:06:26.644 --> 00:06:28.004 - in ways that can help you be a 176 00:06:28.004 --> 00:06:30.504 - better person. And then that's a win win. 177 00:06:30.564 --> 00:06:32.644 - Mhmm. You know, it's not just, hey. We 178 00:06:32.644 --> 00:06:34.904 - all know he beat Utah all the time. 179 00:06:35.044 --> 00:06:36.745 - That's not the story. Right? 180 00:06:37.050 --> 00:06:39.050 - The story is the influence he had on 181 00:06:39.050 --> 00:06:41.149 - the guys who went out of the field 182 00:06:41.209 --> 00:06:42.110 - to beat Utah 183 00:06:42.649 --> 00:06:44.569 - all the time and how it impacted their 184 00:06:44.569 --> 00:06:46.730 - life, how that can change my life just 185 00:06:46.730 --> 00:06:48.649 - by reading about it and going, I could 186 00:06:48.649 --> 00:06:50.169 - try that. I could be a little bit 187 00:06:50.169 --> 00:06:51.985 - better at that. You know, I have a 188 00:06:51.985 --> 00:06:53.285 - conflict in my house. 189 00:06:53.585 --> 00:06:55.125 - I could manage that differently 190 00:06:55.585 --> 00:06:58.485 - by what he did in this football situation, 191 00:06:58.625 --> 00:07:00.785 - which makes it fun to read. But life 192 00:07:00.785 --> 00:07:02.625 - is the underlying current to the whole thing, 193 00:07:02.625 --> 00:07:03.120 - and 194 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:04.959 - anything that can help us live a better 195 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.199 - life, we're we're all in on. Yeah. And 196 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.259 - Lavelle is a perfect example of an imperfect 197 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.519 - guy who influenced so many for good. Yeah. 198 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:15.324 - You know, when when he did pass, you 199 00:07:15.324 --> 00:07:17.085 - know, as a podcaster for me, I'm like, 200 00:07:17.085 --> 00:07:18.925 - I'd never got to interview him, you know? 201 00:07:18.925 --> 00:07:21.485 - Right. But it's such a legendary leader. And 202 00:07:21.564 --> 00:07:23.404 - but I've had opportunity to interview several of 203 00:07:23.404 --> 00:07:24.845 - his players who, like you said, have gone 204 00:07:24.845 --> 00:07:26.845 - on to be church leaders or, you know, 205 00:07:26.845 --> 00:07:27.345 - leadership 206 00:07:27.725 --> 00:07:30.300 - authors and and gurus. And when you bring 207 00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:31.899 - up Lavelle, you can almost see in their 208 00:07:31.899 --> 00:07:34.139 - countenance, a shift of like, oh, this, that 209 00:07:34.139 --> 00:07:36.939 - was a special relationship that we had. Right. 210 00:07:36.939 --> 00:07:38.620 - And I think we all want to lead 211 00:07:38.620 --> 00:07:40.479 - in that way that we don't just wanna 212 00:07:40.539 --> 00:07:41.519 - put up the numbers, 213 00:07:41.834 --> 00:07:44.555 - Hopefully, that comes, but we wanna transform people 214 00:07:44.555 --> 00:07:47.454 - because of something we did together. That's powerful. 215 00:07:47.514 --> 00:07:49.855 - Right. Yeah. He was a genius at that. 216 00:07:49.995 --> 00:07:51.995 - And it was his star quarterback or his 217 00:07:51.995 --> 00:07:55.295 - backup punter. Mhmm. He treated everyone the same 218 00:07:55.579 --> 00:07:57.740 - or at least treated them fairly and was 219 00:07:57.740 --> 00:08:00.379 - genuine in their element. You know, you treated 220 00:08:00.379 --> 00:08:02.699 - Jim McMahon a little differently because he was 221 00:08:02.699 --> 00:08:04.560 - Jim McMahon or Ty Detmer, 222 00:08:05.180 --> 00:08:06.939 - but Jeff Blank or or any of the 223 00:08:06.939 --> 00:08:08.645 - other guys, if you're consistently 224 00:08:09.264 --> 00:08:09.764 - genuine 225 00:08:10.384 --> 00:08:11.205 - to everybody, 226 00:08:11.904 --> 00:08:14.705 - everybody links to you and takes something from 227 00:08:14.705 --> 00:08:16.384 - you that can help them out. And that's 228 00:08:16.384 --> 00:08:18.865 - probably what we learned the most in this 229 00:08:18.865 --> 00:08:19.585 - book is, 230 00:08:20.069 --> 00:08:22.089 - hey. That was that great catch against Michigan. 231 00:08:22.310 --> 00:08:24.310 - But what changed my life is, in in 232 00:08:24.310 --> 00:08:26.149 - the word to Glenn Kozlowski, is when he 233 00:08:26.149 --> 00:08:28.870 - left school and Lovell called him and and 234 00:08:28.870 --> 00:08:30.870 - got him to come back. And then Glenn 235 00:08:30.870 --> 00:08:33.129 - meets his wife, and his life changed. 236 00:08:33.464 --> 00:08:34.365 - That's the story. 237 00:08:34.745 --> 00:08:36.584 - What he did against Michigan was just the 238 00:08:36.584 --> 00:08:39.784 - highlight. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, James Dye, 239 00:08:39.784 --> 00:08:41.865 - the great punt returner for BYU, he's in 240 00:08:41.865 --> 00:08:44.024 - my ward. Oh, wow. So, one night, I 241 00:08:44.024 --> 00:08:45.944 - said, James, let's get the elders quorum over 242 00:08:45.944 --> 00:08:47.865 - to my house. Come on over and tell 243 00:08:47.865 --> 00:08:50.080 - us about the glory days. Right? And one 244 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:51.519 - question I asked him that, you know, it 245 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:53.440 - was my family were just packed with elders 246 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.559 - and, you know, listening to to James. And 247 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.000 - and I asked him about Lavelle, and he 248 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:00.080 - said and to me, this is, like this 249 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:01.460 - projects our relationship 250 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:03.200 - with with God and the savior as well. 251 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.085 - He said, there was no doubt that he 252 00:09:05.085 --> 00:09:06.684 - loved us and there was no doubt that 253 00:09:06.684 --> 00:09:08.445 - we loved him. And that's why we just 254 00:09:08.445 --> 00:09:10.684 - wanted to be around him. Right? And to 255 00:09:10.684 --> 00:09:12.465 - me, that's like on the eternal spectrum, 256 00:09:12.924 --> 00:09:14.924 - that's the power of grace and love is 257 00:09:15.004 --> 00:09:16.605 - that's why we wanna return back with our 258 00:09:16.605 --> 00:09:18.684 - heavenly father because of that love and we 259 00:09:18.684 --> 00:09:20.820 - just want to be around him. And so 260 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.800 - he just had a way of drawing these 261 00:09:22.800 --> 00:09:25.040 - these young men in, and they would go 262 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:26.800 - to battle for him. You know, the counter 263 00:09:26.800 --> 00:09:28.559 - to that is being around somebody you don't 264 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.639 - wanna be around Right. How you feel. Yeah. 265 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.815 - It's the opposite of feelings. Like, I feel 266 00:09:32.815 --> 00:09:34.735 - this way around this person. I don't wanna 267 00:09:34.735 --> 00:09:37.214 - be like this person. So then when you 268 00:09:37.214 --> 00:09:39.855 - gravitate toward your dad or a leader in 269 00:09:39.855 --> 00:09:41.454 - your life or a mentor or a football 270 00:09:41.454 --> 00:09:44.574 - coach who emulates good, you feel good around 271 00:09:44.574 --> 00:09:46.679 - that person. Where do you wanna be? You 272 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:48.120 - You know? You wanna be in the sunlight. 273 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.360 - Right? Because you enjoy the the warmth of 274 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.279 - the sun as opposed to the cold of 275 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:53.419 - the snow. Yeah. 276 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:55.480 - Now correct me if I'm wrong. If I 277 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:57.080 - remember right, he I mean, he came from 278 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:58.919 - Granite High School to BYU. Right? And and 279 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.000 - it wasn't like they were recruited this LDS 280 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.164 - coach back east that was had some success. 281 00:10:03.164 --> 00:10:04.544 - I mean, he kinda came out of nowhere 282 00:10:05.084 --> 00:10:06.485 - and maybe didn't have a ton of expect 283 00:10:06.605 --> 00:10:08.125 - I mean, it was a different program back 284 00:10:08.125 --> 00:10:10.384 - then. But any indication, like, where did this 285 00:10:10.764 --> 00:10:12.924 - persona, this type of leadership, where did it 286 00:10:12.924 --> 00:10:14.365 - come from? Was it just in his in 287 00:10:14.365 --> 00:10:15.004 - his bones? Or 288 00:10:15.889 --> 00:10:17.889 - Well, I think part of it is is 289 00:10:17.889 --> 00:10:20.210 - Lavelle just happened to coach an offense that 290 00:10:20.210 --> 00:10:22.370 - that the BYU coaching staff was looking for 291 00:10:22.370 --> 00:10:24.370 - at the time, which was called the single 292 00:10:24.370 --> 00:10:26.950 - wing. Mhmm. And he was the only LDS 293 00:10:27.009 --> 00:10:28.850 - coach that they could find that that ran 294 00:10:28.850 --> 00:10:30.129 - that. And so in a way, you could 295 00:10:30.129 --> 00:10:32.264 - say it was fluky that Lavelle even ends 296 00:10:32.264 --> 00:10:34.445 - up at BYU because he wasn't even successful 297 00:10:34.904 --> 00:10:36.825 - at Granite High School, but he just happened 298 00:10:36.825 --> 00:10:38.284 - to run that offense. But 299 00:10:38.904 --> 00:10:40.904 - you also see the Lord's hand in the 300 00:10:40.904 --> 00:10:43.304 - whole thing of getting him there and then 301 00:10:43.304 --> 00:10:45.625 - allowing him to watch and observe some of 302 00:10:45.625 --> 00:10:46.605 - these other coaches. 303 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.959 - Coach that was right before Lavelle and that 304 00:10:50.959 --> 00:10:52.639 - there was a Hal Mitchell, but there was 305 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:54.639 - another There was a Hudspeth in this. Yeah. 306 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.579 - Tommy Hudspeth. But one of those coaches 307 00:10:56.959 --> 00:10:58.019 - had that style 308 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:00.320 - of really turning it over to the assistant 309 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.019 - coaches and getting out of the way. 310 00:11:08.934 --> 00:11:09.595 - First quarterback, 311 00:11:10.054 --> 00:11:12.695 - Virgil Virgil Carter. Yeah. They actually threw the 312 00:11:12.695 --> 00:11:14.554 - ball in the mid nineteen sixties 313 00:11:14.940 --> 00:11:17.300 - and had success. And so Lavelle's thinking, okay, 314 00:11:17.300 --> 00:11:19.661 - there's something to that. And this gets into 315 00:11:19.661 --> 00:11:22.022 - a whole another area of of innovation, and 316 00:11:22.022 --> 00:11:24.383 - we don't have to go there yet unless 317 00:11:24.383 --> 00:11:26.743 - you want to. But but Lavelle knew that 318 00:11:26.743 --> 00:11:29.104 - there was no possible way BYU could compete 319 00:11:29.104 --> 00:11:31.004 - at the highest level with who were they 320 00:11:31.004 --> 00:11:32.605 - were able to recruit and that they're gonna 321 00:11:32.605 --> 00:11:34.845 - have to do something really different. So he 322 00:11:34.845 --> 00:11:36.924 - sits there for ten years from '62 to 323 00:11:36.924 --> 00:11:38.225 - '72 just watching, 324 00:11:38.605 --> 00:11:40.284 - talking to Bill Walsh and some of these 325 00:11:40.284 --> 00:11:42.684 - other great gurus at the time and really 326 00:11:42.684 --> 00:11:45.084 - starts formulating his ideas of, okay, if I 327 00:11:45.084 --> 00:11:46.409 - ever get this chance, 328 00:11:46.789 --> 00:11:48.549 - we're gonna have to do something really different 329 00:11:48.549 --> 00:11:49.690 - if we wanna be successful. 330 00:11:50.149 --> 00:11:51.509 - And he always thought he was gonna get 331 00:11:51.509 --> 00:11:54.230 - fired. Yeah. So he he first showed up 332 00:11:54.230 --> 00:11:56.389 - going, I am here with the answers. Yeah. 333 00:11:56.389 --> 00:11:58.325 - He showed up going, let's do this, and 334 00:11:58.325 --> 00:12:00.004 - I'm not sure it's gonna work. And I'm 335 00:12:00.004 --> 00:12:01.605 - gonna get my doctorate degree while I'm here 336 00:12:01.605 --> 00:12:03.125 - because when I get fired, at least I'll 337 00:12:03.125 --> 00:12:04.725 - have a degree. Wow. And Patty didn't even 338 00:12:04.725 --> 00:12:06.565 - want him to take the job. Really? But 339 00:12:06.565 --> 00:12:08.105 - he just did it anyway because 340 00:12:08.485 --> 00:12:10.565 - I think there was some there was a 341 00:12:10.565 --> 00:12:11.945 - destiny for him 342 00:12:12.289 --> 00:12:14.309 - to do something that really 343 00:12:14.850 --> 00:12:15.669 - fit his 344 00:12:16.049 --> 00:12:19.009 - talent pool, you know, to magnify the the 345 00:12:19.009 --> 00:12:21.409 - purpose of of why he's here. And I'm 346 00:12:21.409 --> 00:12:23.350 - sure he wasn't sent here to win games, 347 00:12:23.889 --> 00:12:26.705 - but in his life, as it evolved, his 348 00:12:26.705 --> 00:12:29.105 - his mission became, how can I influence the 349 00:12:29.105 --> 00:12:31.445 - lives of all these young people? And that's 350 00:12:31.504 --> 00:12:33.504 - that's awesome. He figured that out early, and 351 00:12:33.504 --> 00:12:34.945 - then he stuck to it, and then he 352 00:12:34.945 --> 00:12:36.865 - loved it. And you're right, like you mentioned, 353 00:12:36.865 --> 00:12:38.639 - that the players knew that he loved him. 354 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.200 - There's a great story in there with Jim 355 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:42.179 - McMahon calling 356 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:44.660 - the Edwards home on the day Lavelle died, 357 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.600 - and Patty answered. We visited with Patty one 358 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:48.740 - of her last interviews. 359 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.705 - We visited with Patty, and she said that 360 00:12:51.784 --> 00:12:53.065 - she picked up the phone and said, hey. 361 00:12:53.065 --> 00:12:55.225 - It's Jim. I just wanna just just wanted 362 00:12:55.225 --> 00:12:57.544 - to call and tell coach I love him. 363 00:12:57.544 --> 00:12:59.325 - And she said, well, Jim, tell him yourself. 364 00:12:59.625 --> 00:13:01.384 - And so she handed the phone to Lavelle, 365 00:13:01.384 --> 00:13:03.625 - who's laying there in bed and tells me 366 00:13:03.625 --> 00:13:05.470 - that he loves him. And Lavelle says, I 367 00:13:05.470 --> 00:13:07.549 - love you too. Take care of yourself. And 368 00:13:07.549 --> 00:13:08.450 - that's the last 369 00:13:08.830 --> 00:13:09.070 - that, 370 00:13:09.710 --> 00:13:11.629 - and that's cool in and of itself. But 371 00:13:11.629 --> 00:13:13.790 - then we're talking to Steve Young, and we 372 00:13:13.790 --> 00:13:15.009 - talk about this moment 373 00:13:15.549 --> 00:13:17.870 - that Patty had told us and Jim had 374 00:13:17.870 --> 00:13:19.975 - told us too as we interviewed him. And 375 00:13:19.975 --> 00:13:22.315 - Steve started to cry because 376 00:13:22.774 --> 00:13:24.455 - he knew what that moment meant. And he 377 00:13:24.455 --> 00:13:26.375 - said if there was ever I'm trying to 378 00:13:26.375 --> 00:13:27.815 - think of how he said it, but if 379 00:13:27.815 --> 00:13:30.215 - if there was ever a scenario that best 380 00:13:30.215 --> 00:13:33.230 - described who Lavelle was, it was that last 381 00:13:33.230 --> 00:13:35.950 - exchange with Jim McMahon. Mhmm. Two very different 382 00:13:35.950 --> 00:13:36.450 - people 383 00:13:36.830 --> 00:13:38.990 - who loved each other, found ways to love 384 00:13:38.990 --> 00:13:40.590 - each other, found ways to put up with 385 00:13:40.590 --> 00:13:42.429 - each other Yeah. And win together. And to 386 00:13:42.429 --> 00:13:44.909 - win together and to move through the ups 387 00:13:44.909 --> 00:13:46.289 - and downs of life together 388 00:13:46.735 --> 00:13:48.654 - and to have it end like that in 389 00:13:48.654 --> 00:13:50.654 - Steve's mind, that that said everything you need 390 00:13:50.654 --> 00:13:53.054 - to know about Lavelle Yeah. And what mattered 391 00:13:53.054 --> 00:13:55.394 - to him. And that's that was pretty powerful. 392 00:13:55.535 --> 00:13:56.035 - Yeah. 393 00:13:56.415 --> 00:13:58.495 - Was there much, that came up as far 394 00:13:58.495 --> 00:13:58.995 - as 395 00:13:59.429 --> 00:14:01.669 - his own mentorship that he received from others 396 00:14:01.669 --> 00:14:03.990 - or mentors in his life or styles that 397 00:14:03.990 --> 00:14:05.429 - he picked up or some of these principles 398 00:14:05.429 --> 00:14:07.669 - he picked up? Yeah. One of them was 399 00:14:07.669 --> 00:14:09.909 - his father. So a lot of people may 400 00:14:09.909 --> 00:14:11.990 - not know this, but in it's either 14 401 00:14:11.990 --> 00:14:14.250 - or 16, but there's either 14 or 16 402 00:14:14.774 --> 00:14:16.615 - children in the family that Lavelle grows up. 403 00:14:16.615 --> 00:14:18.054 - Oh, really? Okay. And he's right in the 404 00:14:18.054 --> 00:14:20.134 - middle. But while he grows up, this was 405 00:14:20.134 --> 00:14:22.134 - in the era where Bishop served for twenty 406 00:14:22.134 --> 00:14:24.214 - years, stake president served for twenty years. And 407 00:14:24.214 --> 00:14:24.714 - so 408 00:14:25.095 --> 00:14:27.174 - his father was a church leader almost all 409 00:14:27.174 --> 00:14:28.634 - of his life. And so 410 00:14:28.940 --> 00:14:30.940 - that leadership style that we see in Lavelle 411 00:14:30.940 --> 00:14:32.940 - was one that he noted in his father 412 00:14:32.940 --> 00:14:35.740 - of giving responsibilities, but then getting out of 413 00:14:35.740 --> 00:14:37.659 - the way, trusting you to do it. And 414 00:14:37.659 --> 00:14:39.019 - this was fun for Dave and I to 415 00:14:39.019 --> 00:14:41.419 - interview Elder Holland. We were able to interview 416 00:14:41.419 --> 00:14:44.004 - Elder Holland and Patty Edwards before they died, 417 00:14:44.004 --> 00:14:45.524 - having no idea that they were going to 418 00:14:45.524 --> 00:14:47.865 - die the year that we interviewed him. But 419 00:14:47.924 --> 00:14:50.644 - Elder Holland explains that that experience of being 420 00:14:50.644 --> 00:14:52.485 - called to be the Bishop of the BYU 421 00:14:52.485 --> 00:14:55.445 - thirty sixth Lord, which is really that happens 422 00:14:55.445 --> 00:14:57.720 - right when Lavelle arrives. Like, Lavelle's called as 423 00:14:57.720 --> 00:14:59.740 - bishop. Lavelle is called to be the bishop 424 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.200 - almost within a month or so of arriving 425 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:04.279 - on the BOU campus in 1962. 426 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.759 - Oh, so before he was the coach? Yeah. 427 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:09.500 - He he's an assistant coach. Oh, okay. But, 428 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.899 - yeah, ten years before he's the head coach, 429 00:15:12.065 --> 00:15:13.504 - and he serves as the bishop of that 430 00:15:13.504 --> 00:15:15.605 - ward, and he knew that to be effective, 431 00:15:15.985 --> 00:15:17.365 - he was gonna have to delegate 432 00:15:17.904 --> 00:15:20.544 - and give responsibilities to elders quorum presidents, relief 433 00:15:20.544 --> 00:15:22.884 - society presidents, because he felt that the biggest 434 00:15:23.424 --> 00:15:25.105 - impact he could have as a bishop was 435 00:15:25.105 --> 00:15:26.325 - to be one on one 436 00:15:26.629 --> 00:15:28.809 - with the students of that ward. And so 437 00:15:28.950 --> 00:15:31.429 - he really learned some of his greatest coaching 438 00:15:31.429 --> 00:15:33.209 - skills from serving in the church. 439 00:15:33.589 --> 00:15:34.089 - And 440 00:15:34.470 --> 00:15:36.009 - ironically, years later, 441 00:15:36.470 --> 00:15:38.570 - the elders quorum and the relief society 442 00:15:39.174 --> 00:15:41.495 - presences by nature have taken on so much 443 00:15:41.495 --> 00:15:41.995 - more 444 00:15:42.295 --> 00:15:43.815 - so the bishop can do the one on 445 00:15:43.815 --> 00:15:45.495 - one Yeah. Yeah. With the so he was 446 00:15:45.495 --> 00:15:47.335 - kind of a visionary in Yeah. In that, 447 00:15:47.335 --> 00:15:49.095 - but that's how he ran his team, like 448 00:15:49.095 --> 00:15:50.235 - he ran his ward. 449 00:15:50.535 --> 00:15:52.455 - And, you know, most of society would go, 450 00:15:52.455 --> 00:15:53.835 - well, that's completely nuts. 451 00:15:54.139 --> 00:15:56.779 - Not in our society. We go, that provides 452 00:15:56.779 --> 00:15:59.279 - structure, and structure provides a way to 453 00:15:59.740 --> 00:16:01.580 - minister. And he did that. He was a 454 00:16:01.580 --> 00:16:02.399 - great ministering 455 00:16:02.779 --> 00:16:05.840 - football coach, and he he was the smartest 456 00:16:05.899 --> 00:16:07.340 - guy in the room because he knew he 457 00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:09.455 - wasn't the smartest guy in the room, and 458 00:16:09.455 --> 00:16:11.855 - that was okay. Yeah. But then he was 459 00:16:11.855 --> 00:16:13.394 - smart enough to surround himself 460 00:16:13.695 --> 00:16:15.375 - with guys who were the smartest guys in 461 00:16:15.375 --> 00:16:17.634 - the room, whether it's Doug Scoville, Roger French. 462 00:16:17.695 --> 00:16:19.214 - Just go down the line on the coaches, 463 00:16:19.214 --> 00:16:19.875 - Mike Holmgren, 464 00:16:20.254 --> 00:16:22.595 - the coaches that he surrounded himself with 465 00:16:22.959 --> 00:16:26.000 - to let the program be successful. It's never 466 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:27.759 - about I'm the smartest guy. We're gonna do 467 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:29.600 - what I think. It's what do you think 468 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.379 - we should do? You're an expert at that. 469 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.360 - I'm gonna let you be the expert. I'm 470 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.254 - still a coach, but you're my offensive coordinator. 471 00:16:36.254 --> 00:16:38.914 - You're my defensive coordinator. You're my quarterback's coach. 472 00:16:39.054 --> 00:16:40.575 - You think some of the names that came 473 00:16:40.575 --> 00:16:42.254 - through on his staff that went on to 474 00:16:42.254 --> 00:16:44.495 - win Super Bowls Alright. Some are still winning 475 00:16:44.495 --> 00:16:47.774 - Super Bowls. Coaching trees and football. Is amazing, 476 00:16:47.774 --> 00:16:49.715 - and it started with him going, 477 00:16:50.049 --> 00:16:51.570 - okay. I know what I am. I know 478 00:16:51.570 --> 00:16:52.309 - my limitations. 479 00:16:52.850 --> 00:16:54.850 - So rather than pretend that I'm smarter than 480 00:16:54.850 --> 00:16:56.610 - I am and he was a smart guy, 481 00:16:56.610 --> 00:16:59.250 - brilliant in this essence. I'm gonna surround myself 482 00:16:59.250 --> 00:17:01.009 - with really good men. Chad Lewis wrote about 483 00:17:01.009 --> 00:17:02.450 - it in his book a few years ago. 484 00:17:02.450 --> 00:17:04.470 - I'm gonna surround myself with the best. 485 00:17:05.075 --> 00:17:07.394 - Empower them to coach. Yeah. And a bishop 486 00:17:07.394 --> 00:17:09.875 - or a stake president surrounds himself with the 487 00:17:09.875 --> 00:17:10.375 - best, 488 00:17:10.755 --> 00:17:12.515 - you know, that the holy ghost reveals to 489 00:17:12.515 --> 00:17:14.835 - him, and then I'm gonna let them magnify 490 00:17:14.835 --> 00:17:17.015 - their callings. And then you have a functioning 491 00:17:17.769 --> 00:17:19.529 - functioning word. So, Dave, let me add to 492 00:17:19.529 --> 00:17:21.230 - that if that's okay for a minute. 493 00:17:21.529 --> 00:17:23.210 - But in my mind, I I'm thinking, so 494 00:17:23.210 --> 00:17:25.069 - does that mean Lavelle was kind of unplugged? 495 00:17:25.130 --> 00:17:26.730 - I mean, he doesn't have a He has 496 00:17:26.730 --> 00:17:28.890 - literally unplugged. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't 497 00:17:28.890 --> 00:17:30.650 - he doesn't have some of those, you know, 498 00:17:30.650 --> 00:17:32.910 - some of those things. And so talking to 499 00:17:33.125 --> 00:17:35.045 - several of the players, Brent Johnson and others, 500 00:17:35.045 --> 00:17:37.285 - they would say, oh, no. Lovell was in 501 00:17:37.285 --> 00:17:39.125 - charge and everyone knew it. So he had 502 00:17:39.125 --> 00:17:40.345 - this incredible ability 503 00:17:40.884 --> 00:17:42.265 - to give out, you know, delegate, 504 00:17:42.565 --> 00:17:44.984 - to give out the authority and the responsibility, 505 00:17:45.205 --> 00:17:47.045 - but yet at the same time hold on 506 00:17:47.045 --> 00:17:49.220 - to everyone knew that he was the man. 507 00:17:49.220 --> 00:17:51.299 - Yeah. There's a moment in this book, 508 00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:54.659 - visiting with Mark Wilson. It's 1979. 509 00:17:54.659 --> 00:17:57.220 - BYU's playing at Texas A and M at 510 00:17:57.220 --> 00:17:59.460 - Rice because Texas A And M Stadium was 511 00:17:59.460 --> 00:18:01.779 - being renovated. So they're in Houston playing this 512 00:18:01.779 --> 00:18:04.244 - home game. Never beaten a ranked team before. 513 00:18:04.305 --> 00:18:05.664 - Texas A and M was supposed to be 514 00:18:05.664 --> 00:18:07.025 - really good that year, and they're supposed to 515 00:18:07.025 --> 00:18:08.005 - kill BYU. 516 00:18:08.625 --> 00:18:11.125 - So BYU's in the game. They drive down, 517 00:18:11.424 --> 00:18:13.505 - score a touchdown. They decide they're gonna go 518 00:18:13.505 --> 00:18:15.250 - for two to win the game. They call 519 00:18:15.250 --> 00:18:18.470 - timeout. Wilson comes over to Lavelle, and Lavelle's 520 00:18:18.529 --> 00:18:21.269 - got his offensive coordinator here and his quarterback 521 00:18:21.329 --> 00:18:23.250 - coach, and they all have an idea of 522 00:18:23.250 --> 00:18:24.309 - what they wanna do. 523 00:18:24.609 --> 00:18:26.609 - And in that moment, in your timeout, which 524 00:18:26.609 --> 00:18:28.230 - is about ninety seconds, 525 00:18:28.625 --> 00:18:30.384 - in all that moment with all that's going 526 00:18:30.384 --> 00:18:32.404 - on, Lavelle looks at Mark and says, Mark, 527 00:18:32.545 --> 00:18:34.225 - what do you think we should do? And 528 00:18:34.225 --> 00:18:35.744 - Mark said, well, you know, there's that play. 529 00:18:35.744 --> 00:18:37.505 - They hadn't even run-in games, but they had 530 00:18:37.505 --> 00:18:39.525 - practiced it a couple times during the week 531 00:18:39.664 --> 00:18:41.184 - that he felt really good about. He goes, 532 00:18:41.184 --> 00:18:42.779 - what what about we do this one? And 533 00:18:42.859 --> 00:18:44.619 - Lavelle thought about it. He goes, alright. Let's 534 00:18:44.619 --> 00:18:45.200 - do that. 535 00:18:45.580 --> 00:18:48.320 - So Wilson heads back out to the huddle. 536 00:18:48.539 --> 00:18:50.220 - But he heads back out to the huddle. 537 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:51.980 - Now there's a quarterback who's just been told 538 00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:53.740 - what to do. He's going back to the 539 00:18:53.740 --> 00:18:54.024 - huddle as an invested guy in this operation. 540 00:18:54.024 --> 00:18:54.809 - He owns a 541 00:18:56.825 --> 00:18:59.244 - guy. Yeah. Yeah. They entrust I got Lavelle's 542 00:18:59.304 --> 00:19:00.125 - full trust, 543 00:19:00.744 --> 00:19:02.585 - and now I'm gonna go out and lead 544 00:19:02.585 --> 00:19:04.744 - these other 10 guys. And he throws a 545 00:19:04.744 --> 00:19:06.585 - pass, and Mike Lacy makes a phenomenal catch, 546 00:19:06.585 --> 00:19:08.190 - and they win the game. And so here 547 00:19:08.190 --> 00:19:09.649 - we are talking to Mark Wilson 548 00:19:10.029 --> 00:19:13.230 - decades later, and he's like in that moment, 549 00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:15.950 - Lovell was still, Mark, what do you think 550 00:19:15.950 --> 00:19:18.750 - we should do? Mhmm. You're 19. I'm surrounded 551 00:19:18.750 --> 00:19:20.909 - by all these smart guys. And then to 552 00:19:20.909 --> 00:19:23.884 - have the wherewithal to go, alright. Let's do 553 00:19:23.884 --> 00:19:25.565 - that. And Lavelle said after, I'd rather have 554 00:19:25.565 --> 00:19:26.144 - a quarterback 555 00:19:26.765 --> 00:19:28.684 - run a play he believes in than have 556 00:19:28.684 --> 00:19:30.365 - a quarterback run a play that I believe 557 00:19:30.365 --> 00:19:32.924 - in. Yeah. And that's just one small story 558 00:19:32.924 --> 00:19:34.464 - in this long list of 559 00:19:34.849 --> 00:19:37.349 - great plays and great athletes that he inspired 560 00:19:37.490 --> 00:19:37.990 - to 561 00:19:38.369 --> 00:19:40.849 - kinda be invested that way. Yeah. And just 562 00:19:40.849 --> 00:19:42.450 - the the image of him on the sidelines 563 00:19:42.450 --> 00:19:44.529 - is so iconic. When with this principle of 564 00:19:44.529 --> 00:19:47.170 - delegation that, you know, even now, you you'd 565 00:19:47.170 --> 00:19:49.005 - never find a head coach that's not wearing 566 00:19:49.005 --> 00:19:50.845 - the headset. Right. Because why not? You know, 567 00:19:50.845 --> 00:19:52.525 - the technology was different then, but I'm sure 568 00:19:52.525 --> 00:19:54.125 - they could have found a headset for him. 569 00:19:54.125 --> 00:19:55.805 - But just to know that I'm gonna let 570 00:19:55.805 --> 00:19:57.965 - my offense do their thing, their defense and 571 00:19:58.045 --> 00:20:00.684 - but still be everybody knows he's still in 572 00:20:00.684 --> 00:20:03.269 - control is is really a a wonder of 573 00:20:03.269 --> 00:20:05.830 - of that leadership ability. Right. It's amazing. He 574 00:20:05.830 --> 00:20:07.190 - was the coach. He was the coach of 575 00:20:07.190 --> 00:20:09.509 - the coaches. Yeah. And, what a great way 576 00:20:09.509 --> 00:20:11.830 - to be. Every CEO should be that way. 577 00:20:11.830 --> 00:20:14.484 - Just think of how companies would be, not 578 00:20:14.484 --> 00:20:16.724 - necessarily how they'd function, but how successful they'd 579 00:20:16.724 --> 00:20:18.825 - be if everyone felt 580 00:20:19.284 --> 00:20:20.424 - they were trusted 581 00:20:21.684 --> 00:20:22.505 - and empowered 582 00:20:23.284 --> 00:20:25.924 - and with a leader leading them, but knowing 583 00:20:25.924 --> 00:20:28.184 - that they were brought in to participate 584 00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:29.900 - in the game 585 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:32.460 - as opposed to just do what someone 586 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.400 - has told them to do. Yeah. Yeah. That's 587 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:35.900 - powerful. 588 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.039 - You're talking about this you know, you bring 589 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:39.799 - up the his focus on that that one 590 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:40.779 - to one relationship. 591 00:20:41.320 --> 00:20:42.840 - Any context to bring to that as far 592 00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:44.299 - as how he did it or 593 00:20:44.775 --> 00:20:46.855 - how the players articulated it? Or was he 594 00:20:46.855 --> 00:20:48.634 - always meeting with players one on one? 595 00:20:48.934 --> 00:20:50.615 - Or Yeah. So one of the things he 596 00:20:50.615 --> 00:20:52.315 - did is he created an environment 597 00:20:52.775 --> 00:20:53.994 - so that could happen. 598 00:20:54.295 --> 00:20:55.734 - And the way he did it is, number 599 00:20:55.734 --> 00:20:57.654 - one, he always kept his door open in 600 00:20:57.654 --> 00:20:59.335 - his at his office. Oh, it was always 601 00:20:59.335 --> 00:20:59.835 - open. 602 00:21:00.789 --> 00:21:01.289 - Shut 603 00:21:01.590 --> 00:21:02.230 - and there was a button on his desk 604 00:21:02.230 --> 00:21:03.509 - that he could push. Yeah, I heard the 605 00:21:03.509 --> 00:21:06.070 - button. Yeah. Yeah. We love that. And people 606 00:21:06.070 --> 00:21:07.750 - like Rob Morris would say, oh, when the 607 00:21:07.750 --> 00:21:09.269 - door shut, you knew you were in trouble, 608 00:21:09.269 --> 00:21:11.670 - right? But he had lemon drops, which probably 609 00:21:11.670 --> 00:21:14.230 - lemon drops aren't really appealing maybe today. But 610 00:21:14.230 --> 00:21:16.244 - I remember as a kid going to my 611 00:21:16.244 --> 00:21:17.684 - grandparents' house and they had a jar of 612 00:21:17.684 --> 00:21:19.765 - lemon drops. That was pretty cool. And he 613 00:21:19.765 --> 00:21:22.025 - said he had this constant flow of players 614 00:21:22.644 --> 00:21:24.244 - that were coming in and out. A lot 615 00:21:24.244 --> 00:21:26.005 - of times just walking into his office and 616 00:21:26.005 --> 00:21:28.404 - grabbing a fistful of of lemon drops and 617 00:21:28.404 --> 00:21:30.345 - having conversations with their coach, 618 00:21:38.649 --> 00:21:40.809 - conversations they had with coach Edwards never had 619 00:21:40.809 --> 00:21:42.490 - anything to do with football. It was always 620 00:21:42.490 --> 00:21:43.549 - about their life, 621 00:21:44.285 --> 00:21:46.765 - future. And so, yeah, you know, to answer 622 00:21:46.765 --> 00:21:48.525 - that question of how did he do that? 623 00:21:48.525 --> 00:21:50.125 - And number one, he just did it. But 624 00:21:50.125 --> 00:21:52.924 - number two, he created an environment where that 625 00:21:52.924 --> 00:21:55.345 - could happen. And it wasn't uncommon for Lavelle 626 00:21:56.259 --> 00:21:58.660 - drive around in his golf cart during practice 627 00:21:58.660 --> 00:22:00.980 - and just find a player and pull him 628 00:22:00.980 --> 00:22:02.660 - over, have him sit in the golf cart 629 00:22:02.660 --> 00:22:04.740 - with him and just talk. He was pretty 630 00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:06.660 - famous for doing that with parents as well, 631 00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:08.755 - right? When the parents would come, There was 632 00:22:08.755 --> 00:22:10.515 - a great story of Tom Hommo where Tom 633 00:22:10.515 --> 00:22:12.115 - Hommo is gonna leave. I mean, he's a 634 00:22:12.115 --> 00:22:14.515 - freshman. He felt like he should be starting. 635 00:22:14.515 --> 00:22:16.595 - He wasn't. And he was just ready to 636 00:22:16.595 --> 00:22:18.355 - go home. And when his dad comes down 637 00:22:18.355 --> 00:22:19.734 - to visit from California 638 00:22:20.515 --> 00:22:23.075 - and spends thirty minutes with Lavelle on the 639 00:22:23.075 --> 00:22:23.575 - field, 640 00:22:23.899 --> 00:22:25.819 - Tom's embarrassed. Right? His dad's out there talking 641 00:22:25.819 --> 00:22:27.099 - to the coach, and he's like, oh my 642 00:22:27.099 --> 00:22:29.500 - gosh. But his dad says to Tom Homo 643 00:22:29.500 --> 00:22:31.200 - later, you're never leaving here. 644 00:22:31.579 --> 00:22:32.859 - This is the coach you need to be 645 00:22:32.859 --> 00:22:34.539 - with. Tom wasn't even a member of the 646 00:22:34.539 --> 00:22:36.380 - church at the time. You know? And now, 647 00:22:36.380 --> 00:22:38.805 - what, three Super Bowl rings and, you know, 648 00:22:38.884 --> 00:22:40.485 - now a mission now a mission presence are 649 00:22:40.485 --> 00:22:40.985 - so 650 00:22:41.445 --> 00:22:42.965 - impactful. I don't know, Dave, if you have 651 00:22:42.965 --> 00:22:45.205 - kind of another thought of how he created 652 00:22:45.205 --> 00:22:47.605 - that one on one, but we well, another 653 00:22:47.605 --> 00:22:49.365 - one that popped into my head is when 654 00:22:49.365 --> 00:22:50.744 - they had that coaches show 655 00:22:51.130 --> 00:22:52.650 - in the old days. You drive up from 656 00:22:52.650 --> 00:22:54.990 - Provo to Salt Lake on Sunday evening to 657 00:22:55.289 --> 00:22:56.829 - and then there he is with a player. 658 00:22:56.890 --> 00:22:58.809 - He's with Gifford Nielsen driving in the car 659 00:22:58.809 --> 00:23:00.569 - and just that's what he tells Gifford Nielsen, 660 00:23:00.569 --> 00:23:02.990 - you're gonna be the starter from now on. 661 00:23:03.130 --> 00:23:05.049 - But he has he just finds ways to 662 00:23:05.049 --> 00:23:07.744 - create those moments. And I think the way 663 00:23:07.744 --> 00:23:08.404 - to do 664 00:23:08.704 --> 00:23:09.284 - it is 665 00:23:09.585 --> 00:23:11.664 - if you surround yourself with people who are 666 00:23:11.664 --> 00:23:14.224 - good and can do their jobs, it frees 667 00:23:14.224 --> 00:23:15.825 - you up to do that. Right. He didn't 668 00:23:15.825 --> 00:23:18.304 - have to worry about what the defensive coordinator 669 00:23:18.304 --> 00:23:20.519 - is doing, what the offensive coordinator is doing. 670 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.299 - They're all doing their stuff, 671 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:24.759 - and that allows him to drive around and 672 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:26.519 - just go, who, you know Who needs me 673 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:28.759 - today? Follow spirit on on who needs that. 674 00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:29.259 - Or 675 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.380 - or he used to do postgame shows, which 676 00:23:32.535 --> 00:23:34.134 - doesn't happen anymore. Yeah. I remember when I 677 00:23:34.134 --> 00:23:35.115 - was a kid. To fans 678 00:23:35.414 --> 00:23:37.414 - after four hours of game about what about 679 00:23:37.414 --> 00:23:38.474 - what you did wrong. 680 00:23:38.775 --> 00:23:39.275 - So 681 00:23:39.654 --> 00:23:42.055 - he had but that's a perfect example of 682 00:23:42.055 --> 00:23:43.894 - he could just deal with that. Alright. You 683 00:23:43.894 --> 00:23:45.575 - know what? It's just an opinion. It's not 684 00:23:45.575 --> 00:23:46.315 - my life. 685 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:48.740 - Yeah. Now Patty and some of the others 686 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:50.900 - were like, why are you doing that? You 687 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:53.059 - shouldn't subject yourself to that. But 688 00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:54.039 - if 689 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:54.980 - again, 690 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:55.940 - his 691 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.180 - genius was surrounding himself 692 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:00.500 - with good people and then empowering them 693 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.505 - to coach, and that allowed him to do 694 00:24:03.884 --> 00:24:05.644 - just what he did. And he didn't have 695 00:24:05.644 --> 00:24:07.184 - to be the intimidating 696 00:24:08.125 --> 00:24:10.464 - bulldog. Right? He was intimidating 697 00:24:10.924 --> 00:24:11.424 - because 698 00:24:12.204 --> 00:24:13.825 - he won a lot of games, and 699 00:24:14.289 --> 00:24:15.730 - not a lot of people had access to 700 00:24:15.730 --> 00:24:17.570 - him unless you're in his ward or whatever, 701 00:24:17.570 --> 00:24:19.570 - because you just see him on TV. But 702 00:24:19.570 --> 00:24:20.630 - that's where the intimidation 703 00:24:21.009 --> 00:24:21.509 - ends. 704 00:24:22.130 --> 00:24:24.450 - In two seconds with him, you realize he 705 00:24:24.450 --> 00:24:26.070 - does not take himself seriously 706 00:24:26.529 --> 00:24:27.509 - or too seriously. 707 00:24:27.964 --> 00:24:30.204 - He's in it for the lives of these 708 00:24:30.204 --> 00:24:32.445 - people, and he knows that it's important for 709 00:24:32.445 --> 00:24:34.305 - him to win games to keep his job. 710 00:24:34.684 --> 00:24:37.025 - But he didn't score any of those touchdowns. 711 00:24:37.404 --> 00:24:38.924 - He just got kids that could go do 712 00:24:38.924 --> 00:24:40.765 - it Mhmm. And coached him up. But I 713 00:24:40.765 --> 00:24:43.380 - love that he's he freed himself up to 714 00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:45.779 - do what really needed to be done instead 715 00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:48.339 - of today, we are so fixated on doing 716 00:24:48.339 --> 00:24:49.320 - everything ourself. 717 00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:51.059 - Because if I do it my way, I 718 00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:52.200 - know it's done right. 719 00:24:52.579 --> 00:24:54.180 - And you have to step back and go, 720 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:55.964 - I let I need to let him or 721 00:24:55.964 --> 00:24:57.565 - her do it their way, and it might 722 00:24:57.565 --> 00:24:59.984 - not be how I thought it should be, 723 00:25:00.045 --> 00:25:02.204 - but it's still okay. And then if I 724 00:25:02.204 --> 00:25:04.224 - do that, now I'm freed up to go 725 00:25:04.444 --> 00:25:06.525 - do something else. And that's one of the 726 00:25:06.525 --> 00:25:08.519 - great lessons of just how to manage your 727 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.220 - lineup, your roster, 728 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:13.500 - your family, your business, your ward is, 729 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.799 - how can I be most effective? I can't 730 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:17.400 - be most effective if I have to worry 731 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:20.140 - about every single thing, and you didn't. 732 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:22.894 - So true. So true. As you met with 733 00:25:22.894 --> 00:25:26.015 - different players or staff, or what was your 734 00:25:26.015 --> 00:25:27.615 - approach of going in there? Like, what what 735 00:25:27.615 --> 00:25:30.095 - sort of questions were you wanting to ask 736 00:25:30.095 --> 00:25:32.575 - or and what did you find were some 737 00:25:32.575 --> 00:25:34.650 - common themes or things that came up? First 738 00:25:34.650 --> 00:25:36.410 - of all, what we would say is that 739 00:25:36.410 --> 00:25:38.650 - every player that we reached out to was 740 00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:39.150 - always 741 00:25:39.609 --> 00:25:40.430 - almost excited. 742 00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:42.330 - You know, you you would think that we'd 743 00:25:42.330 --> 00:25:44.090 - have people say, no. I'm not interested or 744 00:25:44.090 --> 00:25:45.849 - I don't have time for that, but everyone 745 00:25:45.849 --> 00:25:47.390 - made the time. You know? 746 00:25:47.755 --> 00:25:49.775 - Obviously, we wanted to ask questions about Lavelle's 747 00:25:49.835 --> 00:25:52.255 - leadership. We wanted to stay really fixed on 748 00:25:52.394 --> 00:25:54.075 - what they were learning from him as a 749 00:25:54.075 --> 00:25:54.575 - leader. 750 00:25:54.875 --> 00:25:56.734 - And you were getting a lot of common 751 00:25:56.875 --> 00:25:58.714 - themes like we're talking about today, about the 752 00:25:58.714 --> 00:25:59.934 - one on one relationships, 753 00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:03.119 - about his humility, about his innovation, 754 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:05.740 - you know, just his style. And so then 755 00:26:05.740 --> 00:26:07.259 - it got to the point where we started 756 00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:08.880 - asking more specific questions 757 00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:11.500 - because we wanted to learn more about certain 758 00:26:11.500 --> 00:26:13.180 - areas, you know. But a lot of it 759 00:26:13.180 --> 00:26:15.119 - just tumbled out and everyone had 760 00:26:15.654 --> 00:26:17.095 - stories. And I think once again, the cool 761 00:26:17.095 --> 00:26:19.015 - part of the book is that it's going 762 00:26:19.015 --> 00:26:21.015 - to be full of stories that, Dave, I 763 00:26:21.015 --> 00:26:22.055 - don't know what you would say, but I 764 00:26:22.055 --> 00:26:24.375 - would say most of these stories I've never 765 00:26:24.375 --> 00:26:26.535 - heard before, and I've read every Lavelle Edwards 766 00:26:26.535 --> 00:26:28.214 - book there is. Right? And and listened to 767 00:26:28.214 --> 00:26:28.954 - every interview. 768 00:26:29.390 --> 00:26:31.070 - But that was kind of the the general 769 00:26:31.070 --> 00:26:33.150 - approach. And then, you know, obviously, there were 770 00:26:33.150 --> 00:26:34.930 - certain things we wanted to learn about Kalani, 771 00:26:35.470 --> 00:26:38.130 - like, you know, where Kalani's style comes from. 772 00:26:38.509 --> 00:26:40.190 - Certain things we wanted to know about Jim, 773 00:26:40.190 --> 00:26:42.525 - like Jim McMahon. It was right to nineteen 774 00:26:42.525 --> 00:26:44.365 - eighty holiday holiday bowl. We wanna know about 775 00:26:44.365 --> 00:26:45.904 - that conversation on the sideline. 776 00:26:46.205 --> 00:26:48.045 - Yeah. You start there. Right? Yeah. You just 777 00:26:48.045 --> 00:26:50.445 - start right there. And, you know, everyone had 778 00:26:50.445 --> 00:26:52.125 - something that we wanted to know about, but 779 00:26:52.125 --> 00:26:54.125 - a lot of their personal stories just kind 780 00:26:54.125 --> 00:26:56.549 - of tumbled out and started to fall into 781 00:26:56.549 --> 00:26:58.789 - these categories of, oh, here's another one of 782 00:26:58.789 --> 00:27:01.450 - those stories Mhmm. Where Lavelle tells someone, 783 00:27:01.829 --> 00:27:03.669 - you know what? You may not think you're 784 00:27:03.669 --> 00:27:05.429 - great right now, but you're gonna be incredible 785 00:27:05.429 --> 00:27:07.269 - and here's what you're going to do. Oh, 786 00:27:07.269 --> 00:27:09.669 - we need a chapter on Lavelle's belief in 787 00:27:09.669 --> 00:27:11.769 - people. Mhmm. You know, that kind of thing. 788 00:27:11.990 --> 00:27:14.285 - Which What we didn't ask is, hey. Tell 789 00:27:14.285 --> 00:27:15.904 - us the good stuff. 790 00:27:16.605 --> 00:27:18.845 - Right? Let's give us the breaking news stuff. 791 00:27:18.845 --> 00:27:20.205 - We're gonna sell this book. We need to 792 00:27:20.205 --> 00:27:22.545 - have something that's give us a bombshell. 793 00:27:23.325 --> 00:27:24.625 - We didn't ask those questions 794 00:27:25.085 --> 00:27:25.585 - because 795 00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:28.619 - that's not what we were after. But all 796 00:27:28.619 --> 00:27:30.779 - of those things just come up in the 797 00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:31.279 - conversation 798 00:27:31.819 --> 00:27:33.500 - where you're like, well, I I hadn't heard 799 00:27:33.500 --> 00:27:35.900 - that before or, oh, that's really cool or 800 00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:37.740 - as a you know, today's so much like 801 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:38.799 - I need a bang 802 00:27:39.134 --> 00:27:41.055 - to get I need an attention getter. You're 803 00:27:41.055 --> 00:27:42.974 - not gonna believe what Lavelle said is not 804 00:27:42.974 --> 00:27:45.055 - in our book. Yeah. Yeah. Because you probably 805 00:27:45.055 --> 00:27:46.575 - believe what he said because he was that's 806 00:27:46.575 --> 00:27:48.015 - right. Yeah. But there's so much about what 807 00:27:48.015 --> 00:27:49.855 - Lavelle said that you wanna believe. Right? And 808 00:27:50.015 --> 00:27:53.039 - Yeah. And then told in through the eyes 809 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.659 - of of those who were listening 810 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:55.779 - and learning. 811 00:27:56.159 --> 00:27:57.839 - And that was what was cool as you 812 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.480 - get back, and and not everything could get 813 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.240 - in there. I think it was there's 300 814 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.745 - something pages, but still not everything could get 815 00:28:04.745 --> 00:28:06.785 - in there. But enough got in there to 816 00:28:06.785 --> 00:28:08.945 - where you feel like you. You know him 817 00:28:08.945 --> 00:28:10.085 - a little bit better. 818 00:28:10.625 --> 00:28:12.144 - And we all think, well, we all know 819 00:28:12.144 --> 00:28:12.884 - about Lavelle. 820 00:28:13.184 --> 00:28:14.865 - The students of the last ten years at 821 00:28:14.865 --> 00:28:17.730 - BYU, many don't know who Lavelle is, except 822 00:28:17.730 --> 00:28:19.730 - that his name's on the stadium. Yeah. You 823 00:28:19.730 --> 00:28:21.730 - know, the the 18 year old today was 824 00:28:21.730 --> 00:28:23.109 - eight when Lavelle passed, 825 00:28:23.410 --> 00:28:25.650 - which means he was wasn't here when Lavelle 826 00:28:25.650 --> 00:28:26.869 - won his national championship. 827 00:28:27.329 --> 00:28:27.829 - So 828 00:28:28.369 --> 00:28:29.809 - how do you keep that alive? How do 829 00:28:29.809 --> 00:28:32.484 - you that legacy is his leadership, and the 830 00:28:32.484 --> 00:28:34.644 - legacy lives on, but only if you teach 831 00:28:34.644 --> 00:28:36.644 - it. Right? Yeah. Only if you tell these 832 00:28:36.644 --> 00:28:39.524 - stories over and over. And and we've often 833 00:28:39.524 --> 00:28:41.765 - said it's a it's not a football book. 834 00:28:41.765 --> 00:28:44.325 - It's a leadership book taught through football. Mhmm. 835 00:28:44.325 --> 00:28:44.825 - And, 836 00:28:45.220 --> 00:28:46.759 - you know, in this demographic, 837 00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:48.820 - a lot of us learn a lot of 838 00:28:48.820 --> 00:28:51.140 - things in football. And it's exciting. We'll read 839 00:28:51.140 --> 00:28:53.299 - about it because because of their games and 840 00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:55.380 - stories and and this and that. But the 841 00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:56.840 - the only way to keep a legacy 842 00:28:57.539 --> 00:29:00.005 - alive is to teach it and let those 843 00:29:00.005 --> 00:29:01.765 - who were impacted by it do most of 844 00:29:01.765 --> 00:29:02.904 - the teaching. Yeah. 845 00:29:03.204 --> 00:29:05.365 - And, you know, there's obvious principles that we're 846 00:29:05.365 --> 00:29:06.724 - not shocked to see in the book like 847 00:29:06.724 --> 00:29:09.444 - humility. Right? Like, when president Hinckley announces the 848 00:29:09.444 --> 00:29:12.350 - name of the stadium Right. The most surprised 849 00:29:12.350 --> 00:29:14.509 - person in that stadium is Lavelle Edwards. He 850 00:29:14.509 --> 00:29:16.670 - was not expecting that. Right. And Yeah. And, 851 00:29:16.670 --> 00:29:19.070 - you know, it's just naturally that that humility 852 00:29:19.070 --> 00:29:21.070 - there. What are some other of these principles 853 00:29:21.070 --> 00:29:23.730 - where as you were interviewing, you're thinking, okay, 854 00:29:23.789 --> 00:29:25.809 - this is a principle I didn't expect that 855 00:29:25.869 --> 00:29:26.690 - keeps surfacing. 856 00:29:27.070 --> 00:29:27.570 - Yeah. 857 00:29:30.244 --> 00:29:30.890 - Well, the principle of delegation was one that 858 00:29:30.890 --> 00:29:32.404 - we knew we were gonna we were gonna 859 00:29:32.404 --> 00:29:34.184 - see that one and even the innovation. 860 00:29:34.884 --> 00:29:37.305 - The one that I didn't expect, Kurt, was 861 00:29:37.684 --> 00:29:38.505 - how Lavelle 862 00:29:39.204 --> 00:29:41.170 - went out and after what I would call 863 00:29:41.170 --> 00:29:42.610 - kind of the lost sheep. If there was 864 00:29:42.610 --> 00:29:44.210 - anyone that was on the fringes, if there 865 00:29:44.210 --> 00:29:44.870 - was anyone 866 00:29:45.330 --> 00:29:47.809 - who needed help, people would would comment on 867 00:29:47.809 --> 00:29:49.970 - how surprised they were that a, you know, 868 00:29:49.970 --> 00:29:51.509 - a top 10, a top 20 869 00:29:51.890 --> 00:29:53.190 - college head coach 870 00:29:53.554 --> 00:29:55.335 - was spending this much time 871 00:29:55.875 --> 00:29:58.194 - on someone who was fourth string, you know. 872 00:29:58.194 --> 00:30:00.035 - And and these fourth string or third string 873 00:30:00.035 --> 00:30:02.755 - players would say, you know, Jason Campbell's one 874 00:30:02.755 --> 00:30:04.595 - of them who if I say the name 875 00:30:04.595 --> 00:30:06.355 - Jason Campbell, have any of us ever heard 876 00:30:06.355 --> 00:30:08.740 - of Jason Campbell? But what does Lavelle do? 877 00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:11.140 - Jason Campbell says, look, I'm not playing. I'd 878 00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:12.039 - like to transfer. 879 00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:14.180 - Lavelle says, give it a chance. Stay here. 880 00:30:14.180 --> 00:30:15.319 - Let's see what happens. 881 00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:18.019 - One more year, a different coach, and Jason's 882 00:30:18.019 --> 00:30:19.619 - like, I've gotta get out of here. Lavelle 883 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:21.480 - spends an entire, like, week 884 00:30:21.835 --> 00:30:23.615 - calling coaches all over the country 885 00:30:24.075 --> 00:30:25.515 - trying to see if he could help this 886 00:30:25.515 --> 00:30:27.755 - player land somewhere. And he ends up, I 887 00:30:27.755 --> 00:30:29.835 - think, at West Virginia or something. And why 888 00:30:29.835 --> 00:30:31.994 - why does he end up there? Because Lavelle 889 00:30:31.994 --> 00:30:33.535 - has an incredible relationship 890 00:30:33.994 --> 00:30:35.535 - with the coach at West Virginia. 891 00:30:43.990 --> 00:30:46.410 - Relationships that Lavelle had with other coaches. 892 00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:48.090 - I mean, I'm talking about 893 00:30:49.335 --> 00:30:51.575 - on vacations with Grant Taft, the head coach 894 00:30:51.575 --> 00:30:52.234 - of Baylor. 895 00:30:52.695 --> 00:30:54.875 - Wow. Their wives are best friends. And 896 00:30:55.174 --> 00:30:57.894 - I mean, he was really and one more, 897 00:30:57.894 --> 00:30:59.494 - I'll throw this one in while we're right 898 00:30:59.494 --> 00:31:02.390 - there. But how many players told us, you 899 00:31:02.390 --> 00:31:05.029 - guys don't understand how big Lavelle is. If 900 00:31:05.029 --> 00:31:07.430 - we travel anywhere in the country and they 901 00:31:07.430 --> 00:31:09.589 - see us wearing a BYU hat, BYU shirt, 902 00:31:09.589 --> 00:31:12.170 - the first thing people ask is, how's Lavelle? 903 00:31:12.950 --> 00:31:14.710 - They ask it in New Jersey. They ask 904 00:31:14.710 --> 00:31:15.529 - it in Florida. 905 00:31:17.744 --> 00:31:19.825 - Yeah, I was really surprised how much time 906 00:31:19.825 --> 00:31:20.724 - Lavelle spent 907 00:31:21.184 --> 00:31:23.585 - working with players that needed extra help, like 908 00:31:23.585 --> 00:31:24.404 - Glenn Kozlowski 909 00:31:24.704 --> 00:31:25.505 - and and, 910 00:31:25.825 --> 00:31:27.825 - some of the others. And they were surprised 911 00:31:27.825 --> 00:31:30.160 - too. They were like, can't believe Glenn Kozlowski 912 00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:32.220 - would say, coach, after I got kicked out 913 00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:34.619 - of BYU, coach Edwards called me every week. 914 00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:36.940 - Wow. Every week. While University of Miami and 915 00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:38.799 - all these other places are coming after 916 00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:39.680 - Kozlowski, 917 00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:42.460 - his coaches and it wasn't about football. It 918 00:31:42.460 --> 00:31:44.365 - was how are you doing and how you 919 00:31:44.365 --> 00:31:46.444 - feeling about things. Yeah. So that was my 920 00:31:46.444 --> 00:31:49.005 - surprise. So many so many guys were gonna 921 00:31:49.005 --> 00:31:51.085 - leave. Yeah. You know, they came here. It 922 00:31:51.085 --> 00:31:51.825 - was hard, 923 00:31:52.204 --> 00:31:54.444 - whether it was a lifestyle or their fourth 924 00:31:54.444 --> 00:31:56.525 - string or whatever. I mean, Jim McMahon was 925 00:31:56.525 --> 00:31:58.684 - gonna leave. Mark Wilson was gonna leave. Glenn 926 00:31:58.684 --> 00:31:59.184 - Kozlowski. 927 00:31:59.690 --> 00:32:01.210 - Guys who either did leave or were gonna 928 00:32:01.210 --> 00:32:04.170 - leave left, came back. Brandon Dohman was being 929 00:32:04.170 --> 00:32:06.589 - courted by Utah. He's sitting on the bench. 930 00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:08.670 - But they didn't. 931 00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:10.349 - Amazing. And 932 00:32:10.650 --> 00:32:12.029 - they stayed and flourished 933 00:32:12.569 --> 00:32:14.750 - and still, to this day, are still flourishing 934 00:32:15.095 --> 00:32:16.535 - because he was able to get him to 935 00:32:16.535 --> 00:32:19.195 - stay. And, Patty Edwards said Lavelle's 936 00:32:19.654 --> 00:32:22.615 - greatest recruiting victory was to keep Jake McMahon 937 00:32:22.615 --> 00:32:23.115 - here 938 00:32:23.575 --> 00:32:26.134 - during the year he wasn't playing in '78 939 00:32:26.134 --> 00:32:27.195 - or '79. 940 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:28.640 - And then 8081 941 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.640 - came. And then the NFL came. And Jim's 942 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.859 - life changed. Yeah. 943 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:34.400 - But he was out the door after the 944 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.559 - Holiday Bowl in '78 because he didn't like 945 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.119 - how he was going and was splitting time 946 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.534 - with Mark, and that wasn't working. He's mad 947 00:32:41.534 --> 00:32:44.034 - at the offensive coordinator. He's like, I'm out. 948 00:32:44.335 --> 00:32:45.794 - And Lavelle's just like, 949 00:32:46.095 --> 00:32:48.494 - just hang on. Just hang on. It's gonna 950 00:32:48.494 --> 00:32:50.815 - get better. I think that the spirit talks 951 00:32:50.815 --> 00:32:52.174 - to us all the time when we're in 952 00:32:52.174 --> 00:32:54.730 - crises, and all of us are in them 953 00:32:54.730 --> 00:32:56.009 - or have been in them or will be 954 00:32:56.009 --> 00:32:57.929 - in them. And you just hear that, just 955 00:32:57.929 --> 00:32:58.589 - hang on. 956 00:32:58.890 --> 00:33:02.009 - Just trust me. It will get better. Mhmm. 957 00:33:02.250 --> 00:33:04.009 - Don't quit and don't give up, which is 958 00:33:04.009 --> 00:33:06.089 - elder Holland's marching words all those years is 959 00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:08.404 - don't don't do that. The the Lavelle had 960 00:33:08.404 --> 00:33:11.525 - the the master's touch in getting guys to, 961 00:33:11.525 --> 00:33:13.304 - not everybody, but most everybody, 962 00:33:13.845 --> 00:33:16.585 - to just stay. Steve was moving to defense. 963 00:33:16.964 --> 00:33:19.045 - Yep. Right? He was gonna be defensive back, 964 00:33:19.045 --> 00:33:21.000 - and look where he is today. Yeah. And 965 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.799 - Lovell just was kinda the he's the common 966 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.599 - denominator in all that. Yeah. That's really great. 967 00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:28.599 - Steve Young called it that he had these 968 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.359 - levers. He had all these levers that he 969 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:31.099 - could pull 970 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:33.079 - to get into your heart, and it was 971 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:35.000 - different for everyone. What he you know, obviously, 972 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:36.575 - what he did with Jim and how he 973 00:33:36.575 --> 00:33:39.634 - treated Steve Young were, I'm sure, completely different. 974 00:33:39.934 --> 00:33:41.775 - Yeah. That I love the Jim McMahon just 975 00:33:41.775 --> 00:33:43.775 - journey. There's so much to learn because there 976 00:33:43.775 --> 00:33:46.414 - is such a contrast, Aaron. Right? Right. And, 977 00:33:46.414 --> 00:33:47.934 - you know, I don't know. There's all sorts 978 00:33:47.934 --> 00:33:49.650 - of rumors of things. I don't know what 979 00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:51.570 - sort of conversations happened with the honor code 980 00:33:51.570 --> 00:33:54.049 - office for whatever incidents or whatever. But the 981 00:33:54.049 --> 00:33:55.890 - fact that he was definitely going after the 982 00:33:55.890 --> 00:33:57.890 - one, you know, and and to see what's 983 00:33:57.890 --> 00:34:00.049 - come from it, and it's been that's that's 984 00:34:00.049 --> 00:34:01.570 - really cool. What's cool too is when he 985 00:34:01.570 --> 00:34:03.765 - was going after the one, he didn't know 986 00:34:03.765 --> 00:34:06.664 - that one was gonna set 74 NCAA records. 987 00:34:06.884 --> 00:34:09.285 - Right. This was before that, his fighting for 988 00:34:09.285 --> 00:34:10.985 - the one. Then the one 989 00:34:11.605 --> 00:34:14.164 - became Superman. Yeah. But he would have been 990 00:34:14.164 --> 00:34:16.804 - Superman at UNLV or wherever else he wanted 991 00:34:16.804 --> 00:34:19.269 - to go. And the the genius of Lavelle 992 00:34:19.269 --> 00:34:21.909 - is he was Superman here Mhmm. Even if, 993 00:34:22.630 --> 00:34:23.530 - he was fighting 994 00:34:23.989 --> 00:34:26.309 - the the system a little bit. Yeah. Really 995 00:34:26.309 --> 00:34:28.630 - interesting. Is there any other, like, as far 996 00:34:28.630 --> 00:34:29.369 - as establishing 997 00:34:29.909 --> 00:34:32.389 - or creating the culture and the environment? You 998 00:34:32.389 --> 00:34:33.885 - know, we talked about the one to one 999 00:34:33.885 --> 00:34:36.765 - interviews, even the lemon drops, the door that 1000 00:34:36.765 --> 00:34:38.605 - he could close at any moment. Is there 1001 00:34:38.605 --> 00:34:41.184 - any other cultural dynamics that came up? 1002 00:34:41.644 --> 00:34:43.644 - One of them I would say is inviting 1003 00:34:43.644 --> 00:34:46.045 - players to his home. Jay Miller was an 1004 00:34:46.125 --> 00:34:48.445 - Or summoning. Yeah. Summoning them to his home. 1005 00:34:48.445 --> 00:34:49.184 - That's right. 1006 00:34:49.539 --> 00:34:51.299 - You know, I'm I'm thinking of Jay Miller 1007 00:34:51.299 --> 00:34:53.299 - who we don't talk about Jay Miller a 1008 00:34:53.299 --> 00:34:55.219 - lot these days, but Jay Miller was an 1009 00:34:55.219 --> 00:34:57.859 - epic receiver for the team that set so 1010 00:34:57.859 --> 00:34:59.859 - many records. And kind of a one hit 1011 00:34:59.859 --> 00:35:01.699 - wonder in some ways, had this incredible one 1012 00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:02.759 - year and then injuries. 1013 00:35:05.594 --> 00:35:07.695 - Member of the church, but he's from California 1014 00:35:07.755 --> 00:35:10.235 - and he's gonna leave. And Lavelle has this 1015 00:35:10.235 --> 00:35:11.695 - idea that, you know what, Jay? 1016 00:35:12.075 --> 00:35:13.675 - Before you leave, I mean, don't go yet, 1017 00:35:13.675 --> 00:35:14.875 - but I would love it if you would 1018 00:35:14.875 --> 00:35:16.394 - come up to our home tonight and watch 1019 00:35:16.394 --> 00:35:18.335 - Monday night football with me and my sons. 1020 00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:20.500 - And then Jay Miller ends up watching every 1021 00:35:20.500 --> 00:35:22.339 - Monday Night Football game that season at the 1022 00:35:22.339 --> 00:35:24.579 - Edwards home. So there was a lot of 1023 00:35:24.579 --> 00:35:26.179 - those, you know, what I would call one 1024 00:35:26.179 --> 00:35:27.940 - on one home visits that was part of 1025 00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:29.639 - the culture. You know, it was 1026 00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:31.619 - there were so many other players that, you 1027 00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:33.380 - know, like Jim McMahon is another one that 1028 00:35:33.380 --> 00:35:36.364 - came was summoned to come to the house 1029 00:35:36.364 --> 00:35:38.844 - for a conversation. But can you imagine a 1030 00:35:38.844 --> 00:35:41.005 - head coach today having players just sitting in 1031 00:35:41.005 --> 00:35:42.925 - their home on a Monday night? Mhmm. You 1032 00:35:42.925 --> 00:35:44.925 - know? And then the other part of that 1033 00:35:44.925 --> 00:35:47.344 - culture was the the way that that culture, 1034 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.199 - it was maintained for years and years after. 1035 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:50.699 - Meaning, 1036 00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.859 - the players felt so comfortable 1037 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.980 - stopping off at Lavelle and Patty Edwards' home 1038 00:35:56.279 --> 00:35:58.279 - ten years, twenty years, thirty years after they 1039 00:35:58.279 --> 00:35:58.940 - had played. 1040 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.034 - You know? And he you know, I would 1041 00:36:01.034 --> 00:36:02.635 - say part of the culture was not only 1042 00:36:02.635 --> 00:36:04.315 - did he know their names, but he knew 1043 00:36:04.315 --> 00:36:06.315 - the names of their wife their wives. He 1044 00:36:06.315 --> 00:36:07.835 - knew the names of their children. He knew 1045 00:36:07.835 --> 00:36:08.815 - what they did professionally. 1046 00:36:09.275 --> 00:36:11.355 - Brent Johnson tells the story of Colleen Lovell 1047 00:36:11.355 --> 00:36:12.875 - saying, hey. I'm passing through town. We'd love 1048 00:36:12.875 --> 00:36:14.449 - to see you. And Lavelle 1049 00:36:15.070 --> 00:36:16.349 - says, yeah. You can come over, but you 1050 00:36:16.349 --> 00:36:18.109 - better bring you know, and he mentions I 1051 00:36:18.109 --> 00:36:20.429 - can't remember his wife's name, but he knew 1052 00:36:20.429 --> 00:36:23.150 - these people so intimately, and I think that 1053 00:36:23.150 --> 00:36:24.750 - was part of the culture. Another part of 1054 00:36:24.750 --> 00:36:26.050 - it was Patty's involvement. 1055 00:36:28.015 --> 00:36:28.515 - Players 1056 00:36:28.894 --> 00:36:30.414 - told us that you can't even say the 1057 00:36:30.414 --> 00:36:31.074 - name Lavelle 1058 00:36:31.375 --> 00:36:34.175 - without saying Patty because it was a tag 1059 00:36:34.175 --> 00:36:35.235 - team, dual 1060 00:36:35.535 --> 00:36:37.454 - threat, so to speak, in a good way. 1061 00:36:37.454 --> 00:36:37.954 - And 1062 00:36:38.414 --> 00:36:40.175 - the players looked at what Lavelle and Patty 1063 00:36:40.175 --> 00:36:41.315 - had, and they wanted 1064 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.480 - relationships like that for themselves. Yeah. And Patty 1065 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.400 - ends up being such a great influence with 1066 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.880 - all the wives, and then she forms a 1067 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.199 - what is it, Dave? Some coaches the coaches 1068 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.360 - wives association Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right. Becomes 1069 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.085 - a national association. And so yeah. There I 1070 00:36:56.085 --> 00:36:57.684 - mean, there's a lot of things in this 1071 00:36:57.684 --> 00:37:00.344 - culture, but it was all based on relationships, 1072 00:37:00.644 --> 00:37:03.204 - for sure. He prayed. He was he gave 1073 00:37:03.204 --> 00:37:04.965 - the team prayer before they took the field 1074 00:37:04.965 --> 00:37:07.284 - and after the game. Glenn tells the story. 1075 00:37:07.284 --> 00:37:09.780 - Kozlowski tells the story after they won the 1076 00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:10.840 - national championship, 1077 00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:11.960 - beating Michigan, 1078 00:37:12.579 --> 00:37:14.920 - go into the into the locker room, 1079 00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:17.380 - and at the peak of their glory, right, 1080 00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:19.460 - and Lavelle Gibson together, and and they get 1081 00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:20.900 - down on a knee, and he he gives 1082 00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:21.480 - a humble 1083 00:37:21.835 --> 00:37:25.035 - team prayer. And Glenn's like, you know, Glenn 1084 00:37:25.035 --> 00:37:26.815 - is still in the conversion 1085 00:37:27.914 --> 00:37:29.835 - era of his life, right, where he's just 1086 00:37:29.835 --> 00:37:32.074 - like, this is how this guy's celebrating being 1087 00:37:32.074 --> 00:37:34.315 - number one, by giving a humble prayer and 1088 00:37:34.315 --> 00:37:34.815 - thanking, 1089 00:37:35.789 --> 00:37:37.869 - heavenly father for the guys in the locker 1090 00:37:37.869 --> 00:37:40.269 - room. I mean, that's culture right there. Kalani 1091 00:37:40.269 --> 00:37:42.670 - does does that. Kalani is just a mirror 1092 00:37:42.670 --> 00:37:44.369 - image of what he saw 1093 00:37:44.670 --> 00:37:46.989 - he saw saw Lovell do. And Lovell didn't 1094 00:37:46.989 --> 00:37:47.730 - like swearing. 1095 00:37:48.434 --> 00:37:49.954 - He didn't like it at practice. He didn't 1096 00:37:49.954 --> 00:37:51.715 - like it in the locker room. There's a 1097 00:37:51.715 --> 00:37:54.295 - number of accounts in our book of players 1098 00:37:54.355 --> 00:37:56.215 - that, he visited with about. 1099 00:37:56.675 --> 00:37:58.934 - Jim was one of them. Big shock. Yeah. 1100 00:37:59.155 --> 00:38:00.614 - But Jim tells a story 1101 00:38:01.235 --> 00:38:02.934 - of, they're at practice, 1102 00:38:03.349 --> 00:38:05.510 - and some guys are saying some stuff. And 1103 00:38:05.510 --> 00:38:07.909 - I think those are other people. Outsiders were 1104 00:38:07.909 --> 00:38:10.010 - visiting, and Lavelle was just had had it. 1105 00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:11.909 - So he blows his whistle. He calls the 1106 00:38:11.909 --> 00:38:14.230 - team together. He goes, the next person that 1107 00:38:14.230 --> 00:38:16.230 - swears, I'm kicking right out of practice. Blah 1108 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:18.074 - blah blah blah. He goes, well, not two 1109 00:38:18.074 --> 00:38:18.894 - minutes later, 1110 00:38:19.594 --> 00:38:21.994 - Scott Phillips gets nailed by a defender, and 1111 00:38:21.994 --> 00:38:23.934 - Jim McMahon thought it was a cheap shot. 1112 00:38:24.155 --> 00:38:26.554 - And Jim let that defender know and with 1113 00:38:26.554 --> 00:38:29.675 - a with some colorful words. And right behind 1114 00:38:29.755 --> 00:38:31.355 - all of a sudden, Jim feels a hand 1115 00:38:31.355 --> 00:38:33.849 - on his shoulder pads because right behind him 1116 00:38:33.849 --> 00:38:35.289 - is Lavelle, and Lavelle kicked him out of 1117 00:38:35.289 --> 00:38:37.849 - practice. Wow. And then Jim had to come 1118 00:38:37.849 --> 00:38:39.530 - up to the house, and they had to 1119 00:38:39.530 --> 00:38:41.289 - work that out. And then Patty tells us 1120 00:38:41.289 --> 00:38:43.289 - that part of the story where, you know, 1121 00:38:43.289 --> 00:38:45.609 - it was it was Jim was feeling like 1122 00:38:45.609 --> 00:38:47.844 - he was defending one of his guys. But 1123 00:38:47.844 --> 00:38:49.385 - Lavelle is the boss. 1124 00:38:49.684 --> 00:38:51.385 - You know? And Lavelle's like, Jim, 1125 00:38:51.684 --> 00:38:53.144 - you're a leader on this team. 1126 00:38:53.605 --> 00:38:55.465 - You can't talk that way, 1127 00:38:55.765 --> 00:38:57.765 - especially after I just told everyone they can't 1128 00:38:57.765 --> 00:38:59.684 - talk that way. And they had a meeting 1129 00:38:59.684 --> 00:39:01.599 - of the minds. And Patty said when they 1130 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:03.679 - left that night, Jim knew that Lavelle had 1131 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:06.639 - his back, but that also Jim also knew 1132 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:08.019 - that Lavelle was serious. 1133 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.900 - And, he didn't want swearing in practice 1134 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.699 - for a variety of reasons, but he also 1135 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.539 - didn't put up with defiance 1136 00:39:16.255 --> 00:39:18.255 - in front of him like that. And Jim 1137 00:39:18.255 --> 00:39:20.514 - knew that he kinda had defied his coach 1138 00:39:20.974 --> 00:39:23.695 - and learned a valuable lesson from that. Yeah. 1139 00:39:23.695 --> 00:39:25.215 - Kurt, let me share one more. I think 1140 00:39:25.215 --> 00:39:27.135 - it goes along with what Dave's talking about, 1141 00:39:27.135 --> 00:39:28.734 - but I it was a favorite story of 1142 00:39:28.734 --> 00:39:29.234 - mine. 1143 00:39:29.660 --> 00:39:32.059 - But almost like a doctor after practice, after 1144 00:39:32.059 --> 00:39:33.820 - games, there's all the wounded and the weary 1145 00:39:33.820 --> 00:39:36.079 - on the you're visualizing them on all the 1146 00:39:36.219 --> 00:39:37.739 - stretchers or, you know, but really it's, you 1147 00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:39.760 - know, in all the training tables or whatever. 1148 00:39:40.219 --> 00:39:41.980 - And I guess the tradition was Lavelle would 1149 00:39:41.980 --> 00:39:43.664 - walk around with tapioca pudding. 1150 00:39:44.144 --> 00:39:45.585 - And so it's just the most down to 1151 00:39:45.585 --> 00:39:47.744 - earth guy you could ever think about, right? 1152 00:39:47.744 --> 00:39:49.184 - He's just walking around with his bowl of 1153 00:39:49.184 --> 00:39:51.265 - pudding and he's just checking in on every 1154 00:39:51.265 --> 00:39:53.425 - player. And Chad Lewis told a really great 1155 00:39:53.425 --> 00:39:55.425 - story of here he had just broken his 1156 00:39:55.425 --> 00:39:57.579 - ankle in a game and here was coach 1157 00:39:57.579 --> 00:39:59.260 - Edwards with his bowl of pudding, but just 1158 00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:01.260 - talking to Chad and telling Chad how sorry 1159 00:40:01.260 --> 00:40:03.920 - he was that his season was over. And 1160 00:40:04.059 --> 00:40:06.159 - and Chad's point was how many head coaches 1161 00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:08.219 - would care that much about a player to 1162 00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:10.505 - just come and spend time with me, 1163 00:40:10.885 --> 00:40:12.184 - express his concern, 1164 00:40:12.724 --> 00:40:14.644 - and give the encouragement that he gave? But 1165 00:40:14.644 --> 00:40:16.484 - he Chad just felt he said you just 1166 00:40:16.484 --> 00:40:18.565 - felt loved all the time by this great 1167 00:40:18.565 --> 00:40:21.289 - coach. Yeah. You know, you talk about he 1168 00:40:21.289 --> 00:40:24.010 - was so good at maybe stopping players from 1169 00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:26.489 - leaving the program, but I've heard that maybe 1170 00:40:26.489 --> 00:40:28.170 - there's instances where he was really good at 1171 00:40:28.170 --> 00:40:29.690 - getting them to leave the program to go 1172 00:40:29.690 --> 00:40:31.449 - serve a mission. Was that something that came 1173 00:40:31.449 --> 00:40:33.609 - up at all? Or yeah. Kalani tells a 1174 00:40:33.609 --> 00:40:34.109 - story. 1175 00:40:34.464 --> 00:40:37.025 - BYU just beat Notre Dame, and Kehlani had 1176 00:40:37.025 --> 00:40:38.704 - a good game as a true freshman. So 1177 00:40:38.704 --> 00:40:40.164 - I think this was 94. 1178 00:40:40.545 --> 00:40:42.545 - And, Lavelle calls him in the office after 1179 00:40:42.545 --> 00:40:44.885 - they got home from South Bend, and Kehlani's, 1180 00:40:45.184 --> 00:40:47.264 - like, going in there going, Mace, he's gonna 1181 00:40:47.264 --> 00:40:48.864 - pat me on my lap. Crown me right 1182 00:40:48.864 --> 00:40:51.239 - here. Making this I'm really making a name 1183 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.840 - for myself. And and he gets you there, 1184 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.079 - and they'll ask him some questions. And then 1185 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:56.599 - he says, hey. Have you ever thought about 1186 00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:58.199 - going on a mission? I think you'd be 1187 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.599 - a good missionary. And Kalani's like, what? He 1188 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.460 - goes, I hadn't really given that any thought. 1189 00:41:02.675 --> 00:41:04.675 - I was thinking about football and, hey, we 1190 00:41:04.675 --> 00:41:05.875 - got a good team and we have a 1191 00:41:05.875 --> 00:41:08.034 - chance to go places. And now you're talking 1192 00:41:08.034 --> 00:41:09.554 - about getting rid of me for a couple 1193 00:41:09.554 --> 00:41:11.734 - years? And that's kinda how he took it. 1194 00:41:12.034 --> 00:41:14.594 - But what Kalani didn't know is that when 1195 00:41:14.594 --> 00:41:15.815 - he would be a good missionary 1196 00:41:16.250 --> 00:41:18.329 - and then years later when he would succeed 1197 00:41:18.329 --> 00:41:19.949 - Lavelle, he would be the first 1198 00:41:20.329 --> 00:41:22.349 - head football coach in program history 1199 00:41:22.889 --> 00:41:25.449 - to have served a mission. Oh, wow. And 1200 00:41:25.449 --> 00:41:28.170 - now Kehlani can relate to the kids coming 1201 00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:30.644 - and going Yeah. On missions. Yeah. That was 1202 00:41:30.644 --> 00:41:32.844 - huge. But in that moment, it was like, 1203 00:41:32.844 --> 00:41:34.144 - he was so disappointed 1204 00:41:35.005 --> 00:41:36.924 - that he was being asked to Yeah. Give 1205 00:41:36.924 --> 00:41:38.844 - up two years and leave. We'd say, you 1206 00:41:38.844 --> 00:41:40.125 - were so good. We'd like you to leave 1207 00:41:40.125 --> 00:41:41.964 - for a couple years, which is how kids 1208 00:41:41.964 --> 00:41:43.849 - would take that. But it was a game 1209 00:41:43.849 --> 00:41:46.410 - changer in his life. Lovell saw it. Kehlani 1210 00:41:46.410 --> 00:41:49.930 - didn't. But Kehlani followed and listened, and he's 1211 00:41:49.930 --> 00:41:51.869 - on the field blocking for Lovell's 1212 00:41:52.170 --> 00:41:54.250 - final win at Salt Lake on his last 1213 00:41:54.250 --> 00:41:57.005 - night as head coach. And years later, he's 1214 00:41:57.144 --> 00:41:59.964 - coaching in Lavelle Edwards Stadium, living the dream. 1215 00:42:00.424 --> 00:42:02.025 - But that's one of the He's a return 1216 00:42:02.025 --> 00:42:04.264 - missionary. Right? Yeah. Another one that I would 1217 00:42:04.264 --> 00:42:05.944 - share is Chris Hokie, kind of the same 1218 00:42:05.944 --> 00:42:07.964 - thing. Chris has a great freshman year. 1219 00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:09.640 - Hoax of future 1220 00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:11.860 - stake president at the time with all this 1221 00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:13.480 - is going on. Yeah. Yeah. 1222 00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:16.500 - But same thing, Kehlani encourages him to go 1223 00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:18.440 - on a mission, and he was just dumbfounded. 1224 00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:20.739 - He had already had a mission call, but 1225 00:42:20.739 --> 00:42:22.260 - he wanted to he was trying to have 1226 00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:25.065 - coach Edwards say, Yeah, you shouldn't go. But 1227 00:42:25.065 --> 00:42:27.224 - coach said, No, I feel really strongly that 1228 00:42:27.224 --> 00:42:28.905 - you should go. And that was such a 1229 00:42:28.905 --> 00:42:30.985 - powerful story for me because I knew that, 1230 00:42:30.985 --> 00:42:32.764 - as Dave just said, I knew that Chris 1231 00:42:33.065 --> 00:42:35.065 - had served as a bishop and a stake 1232 00:42:35.065 --> 00:42:36.849 - president. So I actually called him on the 1233 00:42:36.849 --> 00:42:38.690 - phone one day as we were wrapping the 1234 00:42:38.690 --> 00:42:40.849 - book up, and I said, Chris, anything more 1235 00:42:40.849 --> 00:42:42.369 - to this? Because it feels like to me 1236 00:42:42.369 --> 00:42:44.389 - that it was almost as if Lavelle knew 1237 00:42:44.769 --> 00:42:46.690 - that you would have these other opportunities in 1238 00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:48.385 - your life. And he said, I think he 1239 00:42:48.385 --> 00:42:51.265 - totally knew something that or at least to 1240 00:42:51.265 --> 00:42:53.184 - quote Steve Young, he saw something in me 1241 00:42:53.184 --> 00:42:54.005 - that I never 1242 00:42:54.465 --> 00:42:56.465 - saw in myself. But Chris said, had I 1243 00:42:56.465 --> 00:42:57.684 - not gone on a mission, 1244 00:42:58.065 --> 00:43:00.144 - those callings may not have ever come or 1245 00:43:00.144 --> 00:43:01.744 - the or I may have served in a 1246 00:43:01.744 --> 00:43:03.445 - different way. But he said it was 1247 00:43:03.860 --> 00:43:05.619 - so important for me to serve that mission, 1248 00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:06.760 - and Lavelle knew it. 1249 00:43:07.140 --> 00:43:09.059 - So, yeah, he was really good at when 1250 00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:11.539 - people needed to go out into the mission 1251 00:43:11.539 --> 00:43:13.860 - field to inspire them to get going. Derwin 1252 00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:16.099 - Gray is another example. Mhmm. Here's a guy 1253 00:43:16.099 --> 00:43:18.440 - who didn't convert. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't 1254 00:43:19.255 --> 00:43:20.234 - go on a mission, 1255 00:43:20.614 --> 00:43:22.855 - started his own church. Yeah. He's a After 1256 00:43:22.855 --> 00:43:25.335 - graduation. Making church bad shit. No BYU player 1257 00:43:25.335 --> 00:43:26.934 - in the history of the world that went 1258 00:43:26.934 --> 00:43:28.234 - and started his own church. 1259 00:43:28.934 --> 00:43:30.635 - But he swears by Lavelle 1260 00:43:30.934 --> 00:43:32.234 - every day in the principles 1261 00:43:32.710 --> 00:43:34.630 - that he taught him in how to live 1262 00:43:34.630 --> 00:43:36.150 - a life and and how to be a 1263 00:43:36.150 --> 00:43:39.130 - good pastor and how to impact people. And 1264 00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:41.769 - and so he is a BYU story 1265 00:43:42.150 --> 00:43:44.309 - that didn't end with joining the church and 1266 00:43:44.309 --> 00:43:46.724 - becoming a mission president and and a general 1267 00:43:46.724 --> 00:43:47.224 - authority. 1268 00:43:47.924 --> 00:43:48.824 - He graduated 1269 00:43:49.605 --> 00:43:51.384 - and found a way to impact 1270 00:43:51.924 --> 00:43:54.164 - thousands of people in a positive way, and 1271 00:43:54.164 --> 00:43:56.724 - and Lovell was was a mentor for him 1272 00:43:56.724 --> 00:43:59.284 - doing that. Yeah. Yeah. I've actually interviewed Derwin, 1273 00:43:59.284 --> 00:44:00.664 - and he talks about, like, 1274 00:44:01.059 --> 00:44:02.500 - you can have convinced him that he's I 1275 00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:04.260 - think he's gotten a a doctorate degree, and 1276 00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:05.960 - he's written books. And it's like 1277 00:44:06.260 --> 00:44:08.119 - and a lot of he could have never 1278 00:44:08.420 --> 00:44:10.099 - thought that that was gonna happen as a 1279 00:44:10.099 --> 00:44:12.420 - young being recruited by Lavelle, but that was 1280 00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:14.819 - just the beginning of a remarkable journey. Right. 1281 00:44:14.819 --> 00:44:17.905 - Totally. Yeah. That's cool. What about, you know, 1282 00:44:18.125 --> 00:44:20.045 - Mark, you're serving as a stake president. You're 1283 00:44:20.045 --> 00:44:22.284 - as, elders quorum president. How as you went 1284 00:44:22.284 --> 00:44:24.684 - through this, like, what principles of leadership have 1285 00:44:24.684 --> 00:44:25.344 - you found 1286 00:44:26.125 --> 00:44:27.425 - emphasized in your own 1287 00:44:27.724 --> 00:44:30.349 - approach in leading? No. I think it's great. 1288 00:44:30.349 --> 00:44:31.949 - I I think that's a great question. I 1289 00:44:31.949 --> 00:44:33.329 - think one of my favorite 1290 00:44:33.630 --> 00:44:35.730 - concepts in the book that we talk about 1291 00:44:36.269 --> 00:44:39.309 - is Lavelle's expression of of his belief in 1292 00:44:39.309 --> 00:44:41.309 - people. You know, we have a several of 1293 00:44:41.309 --> 00:44:41.809 - those 1294 00:44:42.295 --> 00:44:44.614 - experiences that are similar. Robbie Bosco would be 1295 00:44:44.614 --> 00:44:45.594 - a great one where 1296 00:44:45.974 --> 00:44:47.994 - here he is following Gifford Nielsen, 1297 00:44:48.534 --> 00:44:49.434 - Mark Wilson, 1298 00:44:49.815 --> 00:44:52.054 - Steve Young, and now Robbie Bosco. And Robbie 1299 00:44:52.054 --> 00:44:53.815 - Bosco knows that he's gonna be the one 1300 00:44:53.815 --> 00:44:54.474 - that ruins 1301 00:44:54.934 --> 00:44:57.869 - this incredible streak of all Americans. Right? And 1302 00:44:57.869 --> 00:44:59.630 - And Lavelle is the one after how many, 1303 00:44:59.630 --> 00:45:01.950 - what, three interceptions, Dave, or two in at 1304 00:45:01.950 --> 00:45:03.550 - Pitt in the first It wasn't going well. 1305 00:45:03.630 --> 00:45:05.470 - In the first half, throwing balls up in 1306 00:45:05.470 --> 00:45:06.450 - the stands. And 1307 00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:08.430 - and Lavelle is the one that settles him 1308 00:45:08.430 --> 00:45:10.269 - down and says, no. You're the guy. You 1309 00:45:10.269 --> 00:45:12.454 - are our guy. There are so many people, 1310 00:45:12.595 --> 00:45:14.595 - Steve Young, Brandon Doem, and others that said, 1311 00:45:14.595 --> 00:45:16.755 - yeah. The minute Lavelle told me I'm their 1312 00:45:16.755 --> 00:45:18.515 - guy, and I knew that he was in 1313 00:45:18.515 --> 00:45:20.994 - my corner, it was amazing how my the 1314 00:45:20.994 --> 00:45:23.795 - trajectory just changed. And so as a leader, 1315 00:45:23.795 --> 00:45:25.309 - as a bishop, as a stake president, as 1316 00:45:25.309 --> 00:45:27.230 - an elders quorum president, I still think one 1317 00:45:27.230 --> 00:45:28.929 - of the greatest things that we can do 1318 00:45:29.150 --> 00:45:30.050 - is in 1319 00:45:30.429 --> 00:45:32.590 - instill some kind of belief in the people 1320 00:45:32.590 --> 00:45:34.610 - that we serve with, that we serve around. 1321 00:45:34.909 --> 00:45:36.449 - You know, you wanna leave people 1322 00:45:36.905 --> 00:45:38.184 - you want people to walk out of your 1323 00:45:38.184 --> 00:45:39.324 - office better 1324 00:45:39.704 --> 00:45:41.385 - than before they walked in. You want them 1325 00:45:41.385 --> 00:45:42.125 - to feel 1326 00:45:42.585 --> 00:45:44.984 - better about themselves. You want them to understand 1327 00:45:44.984 --> 00:45:47.464 - their potential. And that was another one that 1328 00:45:47.464 --> 00:45:49.385 - kind of mirror or at least aligns with 1329 00:45:49.385 --> 00:45:50.125 - that idea 1330 00:45:50.510 --> 00:45:53.389 - is Lavelle saw he saw potential in people 1331 00:45:53.389 --> 00:45:55.710 - that they didn't see. And so to be 1332 00:45:55.710 --> 00:45:57.550 - able as a leader, as a stake president, 1333 00:45:57.550 --> 00:45:59.650 - as a bishop, as an elders quorum president, 1334 00:46:00.109 --> 00:46:01.170 - to be able to 1335 00:46:01.630 --> 00:46:03.614 - tell people that you believe in them. I 1336 00:46:03.614 --> 00:46:04.734 - love it when I you know, one of 1337 00:46:04.734 --> 00:46:05.855 - the one of the things I do in 1338 00:46:05.855 --> 00:46:07.775 - my calling a lot in fact, I have 1339 00:46:07.775 --> 00:46:09.375 - one of those phone calls today that I 1340 00:46:09.375 --> 00:46:11.635 - need to make sometime this afternoon. 1341 00:46:12.094 --> 00:46:13.695 - But whenever I'm with a bishop and we're 1342 00:46:13.775 --> 00:46:15.534 - and here we are dealing with some really 1343 00:46:15.534 --> 00:46:18.114 - hard case that that we're talking about, 1344 00:46:18.510 --> 00:46:21.070 - It always ends with and this idea of 1345 00:46:21.070 --> 00:46:22.130 - instilling belief. 1346 00:46:22.829 --> 00:46:23.329 - Bishop, 1347 00:46:23.710 --> 00:46:25.550 - you got this. I know you got it. 1348 00:46:25.550 --> 00:46:27.390 - You were made for this. You've got the 1349 00:46:27.390 --> 00:46:28.690 - gifts. You've got the talents. 1350 00:46:29.070 --> 00:46:30.989 - You will know exactly what to do. You 1351 00:46:30.989 --> 00:46:32.894 - know? And so for me, that one is 1352 00:46:32.894 --> 00:46:35.295 - a really big one, you know, aside from 1353 00:46:35.295 --> 00:46:36.355 - finding the lost 1354 00:46:36.655 --> 00:46:39.635 - the lost sheep or, you know, or delegation 1355 00:46:39.855 --> 00:46:42.675 - or innovation. Innovation's another one for me where 1356 00:46:42.894 --> 00:46:44.414 - Lavelle taught all of us how to look 1357 00:46:44.414 --> 00:46:46.450 - outside the box, you know, to think of 1358 00:46:46.450 --> 00:46:47.969 - different ways to do things, that we don't 1359 00:46:47.969 --> 00:46:49.410 - always have to do it the way that 1360 00:46:49.410 --> 00:46:51.349 - it's been done. We don't have to follow 1361 00:46:51.730 --> 00:46:53.730 - tradition. I, you know, I hate it when 1362 00:46:53.730 --> 00:46:55.010 - I hear this. Well, this is just how 1363 00:46:55.010 --> 00:46:57.090 - we've always done it in this stake. You 1364 00:46:57.090 --> 00:46:59.489 - know, well, not anymore. You know, let's think 1365 00:46:59.489 --> 00:47:01.190 - of other ways to do it. And so 1366 00:47:01.464 --> 00:47:03.565 - for me, those are some of those crossover 1367 00:47:03.625 --> 00:47:05.405 - principles that Lavelle was teaching. 1368 00:47:06.025 --> 00:47:07.784 - Besides the relation I mean, once again, the 1369 00:47:07.784 --> 00:47:09.324 - relationship part is the foundational. 1370 00:47:09.625 --> 00:47:11.784 - If you don't have this relationship with with 1371 00:47:11.784 --> 00:47:13.944 - those that you're leading and trying to inspire, 1372 00:47:13.944 --> 00:47:14.444 - then 1373 00:47:14.809 --> 00:47:16.409 - what can you do? I mean, it's kind 1374 00:47:16.409 --> 00:47:18.969 - of over at that point. So there's actually 1375 00:47:18.969 --> 00:47:20.409 - so much. I could probably talk about that 1376 00:47:20.409 --> 00:47:22.670 - all day. Sorry, Dave. You know, you're good. 1377 00:47:22.730 --> 00:47:25.150 - I echo a lot of that. For me, 1378 00:47:25.449 --> 00:47:28.190 - this book is a reminder from a successful 1379 00:47:28.250 --> 00:47:30.394 - guy who came through and did some great 1380 00:47:30.394 --> 00:47:32.795 - things. And, you know, we're BYU fans, so 1381 00:47:32.795 --> 00:47:34.394 - we're even a little more loyal to that 1382 00:47:34.394 --> 00:47:37.275 - than, you know, winning somewhere else. But don't 1383 00:47:37.275 --> 00:47:38.655 - take yourself so seriously. 1384 00:47:39.034 --> 00:47:39.534 - Yeah. 1385 00:47:40.155 --> 00:47:42.474 - Jesus is the healer, the game changer. You're 1386 00:47:42.474 --> 00:47:45.019 - not. Just do your best and be available. 1387 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:45.980 - And 1388 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.840 - those are great leadership skills that can can 1389 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:50.680 - rock the world, and they can change the 1390 00:47:50.680 --> 00:47:52.860 - life of of so many people 1391 00:47:53.160 --> 00:47:55.644 - who can go out there, and they can 1392 00:47:55.644 --> 00:47:57.425 - either go 13 and o or 1393 00:47:57.805 --> 00:48:00.285 - nine and three. It's just, you know, we've 1394 00:48:00.285 --> 00:48:02.204 - got plenty of years of all kinds of 1395 00:48:02.204 --> 00:48:02.704 - records. 1396 00:48:03.005 --> 00:48:04.765 - And so it's it's not always perfect, and 1397 00:48:04.765 --> 00:48:07.164 - we're not perfect, and life isn't perfect. Only 1398 00:48:07.164 --> 00:48:08.125 - 1984 1399 00:48:08.125 --> 00:48:10.710 - was undefeated, but still, it was an imperfect 1400 00:48:10.710 --> 00:48:12.409 - team that was perfect 1401 00:48:12.789 --> 00:48:15.590 - as far as winning their games. But his 1402 00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:18.949 - leadership, I what inspires me is just the 1403 00:48:18.949 --> 00:48:19.449 - everyday, 1404 00:48:20.389 --> 00:48:21.769 - be kind, be nice, 1405 00:48:22.204 --> 00:48:23.264 - be a good listener, 1406 00:48:23.724 --> 00:48:24.625 - and know that 1407 00:48:24.925 --> 00:48:25.664 - your way 1408 00:48:26.045 --> 00:48:27.505 - might not be the best way 1409 00:48:27.804 --> 00:48:29.565 - and be okay with that. But know that 1410 00:48:29.565 --> 00:48:31.184 - you can find the best way 1411 00:48:31.565 --> 00:48:33.324 - and move forward. I I think he was 1412 00:48:33.324 --> 00:48:35.324 - the master at that. There's another one that 1413 00:48:35.324 --> 00:48:36.545 - I think of too where 1414 00:48:36.849 --> 00:48:39.969 - this is a great principle, but it's 1979. 1415 00:48:39.969 --> 00:48:41.969 - We don't ever really talk about Dave will 1416 00:48:41.969 --> 00:48:43.089 - do more of this now in the wise 1417 00:48:43.089 --> 00:48:44.769 - guys now that we bring it up. But 1418 00:48:44.769 --> 00:48:45.889 - the 1979 1419 00:48:45.889 --> 00:48:48.050 - season was incredible, but we never talk about 1420 00:48:48.050 --> 00:48:50.309 - it. They they won every game that season. 1421 00:48:50.555 --> 00:48:52.155 - The only game they lost was their bowl 1422 00:48:52.155 --> 00:48:53.675 - game, and they lost it in the last 1423 00:48:53.675 --> 00:48:54.335 - two minutes 1424 00:48:54.715 --> 00:48:56.974 - when Brent Johnson misses a field goal. 1425 00:48:57.275 --> 00:48:59.114 - And he really just shanks this field, and 1426 00:48:59.114 --> 00:49:02.235 - they lose in the Holiday Bowl, what, 3836, 1427 00:49:02.235 --> 00:49:04.809 - or something crazy like that to to Lee 1428 00:49:04.809 --> 00:49:07.130 - Corso in in Indiana. Oh, wow. I was 1429 00:49:07.130 --> 00:49:09.050 - there. I was bummed out. Yeah. You were 1430 00:49:09.050 --> 00:49:11.789 - there. Yeah. But, you know, as 1431 00:49:12.090 --> 00:49:13.769 - what's his and I just realized Brent. As 1432 00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:15.789 - Brent Johnson's walking off the field 1433 00:49:16.135 --> 00:49:17.655 - and his head is down, and and he 1434 00:49:17.655 --> 00:49:19.815 - realizes he just ruined the entire season. I 1435 00:49:19.815 --> 00:49:21.414 - mean, it was a 23 yard field goal. 1436 00:49:21.414 --> 00:49:22.934 - Yeah. Mhmm. Come on. He's already made him 1437 00:49:22.934 --> 00:49:24.855 - from forty and fifty yards, you know, and 1438 00:49:24.855 --> 00:49:26.695 - he was the leading scorer in the WAC 1439 00:49:26.695 --> 00:49:28.535 - that year. I mean, so this was a 1440 00:49:28.535 --> 00:49:31.380 - really seasoned good guy that was really solid 1441 00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.000 - in kicking field goals. But, anyway, 1442 00:49:33.380 --> 00:49:35.139 - all of a sudden, he sees this hand 1443 00:49:35.139 --> 00:49:37.300 - on his face mask, and he looks and 1444 00:49:37.300 --> 00:49:39.539 - he sees a ring. And he knows immediately 1445 00:49:39.539 --> 00:49:41.239 - when he sees the ring that that's Lavelle's 1446 00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:44.035 - hand. And Lavelle tells him, you have nothing 1447 00:49:44.035 --> 00:49:46.515 - to be ashamed of, Brent. We're gonna walk 1448 00:49:46.515 --> 00:49:48.675 - off this field together. It's just such a 1449 00:49:48.675 --> 00:49:49.414 - great moment. 1450 00:49:49.795 --> 00:49:52.535 - But you think of loyal his life. It 1451 00:49:52.594 --> 00:49:54.135 - did. It changed his whole life. 1452 00:49:54.500 --> 00:49:56.679 - And they become they they are great friends. 1453 00:49:56.980 --> 00:49:58.500 - Look at Brent Johnson is one of the 1454 00:49:58.500 --> 00:49:59.000 - last 1455 00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:01.539 - men that Lavelle talks to before he passes 1456 00:50:01.539 --> 00:50:03.859 - away. Yeah. But when you think of back 1457 00:50:03.859 --> 00:50:05.539 - to our callings, you know, to be able 1458 00:50:05.539 --> 00:50:06.359 - to be loyal, 1459 00:50:06.804 --> 00:50:08.965 - to let a leader know in our stake 1460 00:50:08.965 --> 00:50:11.045 - or in our ward or in our quorum 1461 00:50:11.045 --> 00:50:12.885 - that you stand by them, that when they 1462 00:50:12.885 --> 00:50:15.364 - feel like they failed or that this happens 1463 00:50:15.364 --> 00:50:17.704 - a lot now. People have access to leaders 1464 00:50:17.765 --> 00:50:19.960 - like at no other Anyone who wants to 1465 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:21.500 - write you the nastiest email 1466 00:50:22.200 --> 00:50:23.719 - can do it. And and we get them. 1467 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:24.219 - Right? 1468 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.320 - And to have someone crushed over you know, 1469 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:28.599 - I can think of a bishop who was 1470 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.840 - just crushed over something he was accused of 1471 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.005 - that was so far from who he is, 1472 00:50:34.224 --> 00:50:35.585 - and to be able to stand by him 1473 00:50:35.585 --> 00:50:36.864 - and say, Bishop, we're with you. We know 1474 00:50:36.864 --> 00:50:38.324 - that you would never ever 1475 00:50:38.625 --> 00:50:41.025 - do something like that, and that person was 1476 00:50:41.025 --> 00:50:42.164 - having a bad day. 1477 00:50:42.625 --> 00:50:44.545 - You're an awesome bishop. You keep doing that. 1478 00:50:44.545 --> 00:50:46.085 - Whatever you're doing with the youth, 1479 00:50:46.780 --> 00:50:48.780 - whatever you're doing with those young single adults, 1480 00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:50.320 - you keep doing your thing because 1481 00:50:50.860 --> 00:50:52.780 - you're great, and we stand by you. That's 1482 00:50:52.780 --> 00:50:53.680 - another great 1483 00:50:54.140 --> 00:50:56.380 - principle that you learned from Lavell, just how 1484 00:50:56.380 --> 00:50:58.000 - loyal he was to his players. 1485 00:50:58.380 --> 00:50:59.760 - Love it. That's awesome. 1486 00:51:00.094 --> 00:51:00.835 - Any other 1487 00:51:01.135 --> 00:51:03.534 - story, concept, principle you wanna make sure we 1488 00:51:03.534 --> 00:51:05.054 - include? Or how do we Just read it. 1489 00:51:05.054 --> 00:51:07.135 - Amazon books. Yeah. It's all there. Right? And, 1490 00:51:07.375 --> 00:51:08.894 - I'll I'll just throw one more in really 1491 00:51:08.894 --> 00:51:11.454 - quick. But Lavelle had this gift, and, Dave, 1492 00:51:11.454 --> 00:51:12.894 - you can can jump in on this one 1493 00:51:12.894 --> 00:51:14.835 - too. But he had the ability to see 1494 00:51:15.269 --> 00:51:16.489 - potential in players. 1495 00:51:16.949 --> 00:51:18.550 - And this is one of my favorite parts 1496 00:51:18.550 --> 00:51:20.309 - of, you know, the whole Steve Young story, 1497 00:51:20.309 --> 00:51:23.349 - eighth string, but another one, Rob Morris. A 1498 00:51:23.349 --> 00:51:24.869 - lot of us remember Rob Morris is one 1499 00:51:24.869 --> 00:51:27.110 - of the greatest linebackers in BYU history, and 1500 00:51:27.110 --> 00:51:28.869 - he goes on and plays, I think, for 1501 00:51:28.869 --> 00:51:30.329 - eight or nine years in the NFL. 1502 00:51:30.785 --> 00:51:32.545 - But Lavelle drives up to him one day 1503 00:51:32.545 --> 00:51:34.465 - in his golf cart, pulls Rob off to 1504 00:51:34.465 --> 00:51:36.864 - the side. Rob's playing running back at the 1505 00:51:36.864 --> 00:51:37.364 - time. 1506 00:51:37.664 --> 00:51:39.184 - The coaches have been trying to get Rob 1507 00:51:39.184 --> 00:51:41.025 - to switch to defense. He won't do it. 1508 00:51:41.025 --> 00:51:43.210 - And Lavelle just says to him, Rob, you 1509 00:51:43.210 --> 00:51:44.489 - know what? You're gonna be a really great 1510 00:51:44.489 --> 00:51:46.510 - running back for us here at BYU. 1511 00:51:47.050 --> 00:51:48.590 - But if you switch to defense, 1512 00:51:48.890 --> 00:51:50.190 - you'll play on Sundays. 1513 00:51:50.570 --> 00:51:52.250 - And Rob said that was the last time 1514 00:51:52.250 --> 00:51:54.670 - I ever played offense. From that point on, 1515 00:51:54.809 --> 00:51:55.949 - Vaisekke Hema 1516 00:51:56.285 --> 00:51:57.184 - is an outstanding 1517 00:51:57.644 --> 00:52:00.224 - running back at BYU, and then Kelly Smith 1518 00:52:00.445 --> 00:52:02.445 - ends up getting all the playing time. And 1519 00:52:02.445 --> 00:52:02.945 - Vaise 1520 00:52:03.644 --> 00:52:05.805 - so distraught about his playing time that he's 1521 00:52:05.805 --> 00:52:06.545 - gonna quit. 1522 00:52:06.925 --> 00:52:08.925 - And Lavelle says, well, why don't you go 1523 00:52:08.925 --> 00:52:10.910 - home and talk to your wife, Kayla, about 1524 00:52:10.910 --> 00:52:13.230 - it first before you quit? And she's kind 1525 00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:14.530 - of encouraging to stay. 1526 00:52:14.829 --> 00:52:16.989 - And Lavelle says, look, Vi, here's something you 1527 00:52:16.989 --> 00:52:17.730 - don't understand. 1528 00:52:18.269 --> 00:52:20.670 - You're gonna play on Sundays. And Vi, like, 1529 00:52:20.670 --> 00:52:22.210 - is trying not to laugh hysterically. 1530 00:52:22.605 --> 00:52:24.204 - How am I gonna play on Sundays when 1531 00:52:24.204 --> 00:52:25.664 - I don't even play on Saturday 1532 00:52:26.045 --> 00:52:26.784 - at BYU? 1533 00:52:27.085 --> 00:52:29.105 - And Lavelle said, because you have a skill 1534 00:52:29.244 --> 00:52:30.925 - that we don't really need here at BYU 1535 00:52:30.925 --> 00:52:33.405 - and returning punts and kickoffs as much, but 1536 00:52:33.405 --> 00:52:35.880 - in the NFL, they need that. You just 1537 00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:37.019 - just trust me. 1538 00:52:37.319 --> 00:52:39.759 - And what happens, Vaesikahem ends up being a 1539 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.880 - Yeah. An all pro punt returner in the 1540 00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.079 - NFL. I mean, Lavelle just sees he saw 1541 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.000 - things in people that they just didn't see 1542 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.364 - in themselves, and I think a great leader 1543 00:52:49.364 --> 00:52:51.765 - can pull that out. Yeah. It's awesome. Really 1544 00:52:51.765 --> 00:52:54.324 - good. Really good. So it's available on Amazon, 1545 00:52:54.324 --> 00:52:56.885 - and I'm sure I'll BYU bookstore, all the 1546 00:52:56.885 --> 00:52:58.885 - things. Bookstores and Amazon and I think on 1547 00:52:58.885 --> 00:53:00.965 - Cedar Fort's website. Yeah. You go to Amazon 1548 00:53:00.965 --> 00:53:02.005 - and you order it, and it just comes 1549 00:53:02.005 --> 00:53:03.239 - to your house. I know. I know. It's 1550 00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:05.079 - like magic. There it is. There it is. 1551 00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:06.780 - So well, I really appreciate 1552 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:08.679 - the work that probably went into this book 1553 00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:10.440 - and all the interviews because this is a 1554 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:12.679 - legacy that we need to definitely highlight and 1555 00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:14.760 - remember. Last question I have for you just 1556 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:15.260 - maybe 1557 00:53:15.714 --> 00:53:18.594 - from your own leadership journey. As you've been 1558 00:53:18.594 --> 00:53:20.434 - a leader, how has being a leader helped 1559 00:53:20.434 --> 00:53:22.835 - you become a better follower of Jesus Christ? 1560 00:53:22.835 --> 00:53:23.974 - Mark, you wanna start? 1561 00:53:24.275 --> 00:53:24.775 - Yeah. 1562 00:53:25.315 --> 00:53:27.714 - I think great leaders are great followers. I 1563 00:53:27.714 --> 00:53:29.734 - think because of our discipleship, 1564 00:53:30.034 --> 00:53:30.855 - you know, hopefully, 1565 00:53:31.389 --> 00:53:33.710 - because of our desire to do what we've 1566 00:53:33.710 --> 00:53:35.869 - been asked to do, and really because of 1567 00:53:35.869 --> 00:53:38.289 - our desire to follow Christ and his, 1568 00:53:38.590 --> 00:53:40.269 - not only his teachings, but the way the 1569 00:53:40.269 --> 00:53:42.030 - Savior lived and the way that the Savior 1570 00:53:42.030 --> 00:53:42.530 - led. 1571 00:53:42.909 --> 00:53:45.014 - I think the Lord says, I can use 1572 00:53:45.014 --> 00:53:46.855 - that person. I can use that person to 1573 00:53:46.855 --> 00:53:48.155 - be a leader. And so 1574 00:53:48.534 --> 00:53:50.295 - I think one of the greatest things that 1575 00:53:50.295 --> 00:53:51.894 - we can do as leaders is follow the 1576 00:53:51.894 --> 00:53:54.394 - footsteps of Christ. He actually was the perfect 1577 00:53:54.775 --> 00:53:57.059 - leader. So many of the traits that we 1578 00:53:57.059 --> 00:53:59.300 - saw in Lavelle are really traits you can 1579 00:53:59.300 --> 00:54:00.739 - pull right out of the New Testament and 1580 00:54:00.739 --> 00:54:01.559 - the Book of Mormon 1581 00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:04.200 - of the way that Christ led. And so 1582 00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:05.480 - Christ led with humility 1583 00:54:06.260 --> 00:54:08.840 - and with kindness and with charity and compassion. 1584 00:54:09.460 --> 00:54:10.760 - And I'm sure with humor 1585 00:54:11.264 --> 00:54:14.224 - and innovation, for sure. And so Lavelle led 1586 00:54:14.224 --> 00:54:15.904 - that way. And so as I think of 1587 00:54:15.904 --> 00:54:17.424 - Lavelle and the way that he led, I 1588 00:54:17.424 --> 00:54:19.744 - just always go back to we're really just 1589 00:54:19.744 --> 00:54:21.744 - learning. All Lavelle did was just pointed people 1590 00:54:21.744 --> 00:54:22.944 - to Christ. That's what he does. And I 1591 00:54:22.944 --> 00:54:24.565 - think that's what a good leader does 1592 00:54:25.050 --> 00:54:27.369 - is we point people to the savior. That's 1593 00:54:27.369 --> 00:54:29.210 - the safest place to go and the best 1594 00:54:29.210 --> 00:54:31.769 - place to go. I think a life cycle 1595 00:54:31.769 --> 00:54:34.250 - football game, and since it's a football game, 1596 00:54:35.769 --> 00:54:36.590 - it's hazardous. 1597 00:54:37.175 --> 00:54:39.414 - It's hard. You practice. You go out with 1598 00:54:39.414 --> 00:54:41.195 - a goal. There are turnovers 1599 00:54:41.894 --> 00:54:42.635 - and mistakes, 1600 00:54:42.934 --> 00:54:44.954 - and some mistakes cost you points. 1601 00:54:45.335 --> 00:54:48.375 - But there's also the huddling up and going 1602 00:54:48.375 --> 00:54:50.559 - back to the line of scrimmage and putting 1603 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.199 - a drive together and having it be successful 1604 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.139 - at the end and the feeling you feel 1605 00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.039 - as you do it with your brothers or 1606 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.179 - your family or 1607 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.019 - your spouse. And 1608 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.359 - I think that that that relates to me. 1609 00:55:03.359 --> 00:55:05.380 - I I can appreciate that because, 1610 00:55:05.795 --> 00:55:08.275 - you know, life is hard. Sometimes it's harder 1611 00:55:08.275 --> 00:55:10.035 - by choices we make and things we have 1612 00:55:10.035 --> 00:55:12.515 - to overcome, and and the savior lets us 1613 00:55:12.515 --> 00:55:15.075 - play the game and provides a way for 1614 00:55:15.075 --> 00:55:17.015 - us to be successful even after a turnover, 1615 00:55:17.235 --> 00:55:18.594 - and we get the ball back, you know, 1616 00:55:18.594 --> 00:55:20.215 - and we can give it another shot. 1617 00:55:20.690 --> 00:55:22.630 - So his patience with us 1618 00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:25.110 - as we try to do our best, 1619 00:55:25.490 --> 00:55:28.530 - despite ourselves sometimes, is is what gives us 1620 00:55:28.530 --> 00:55:30.390 - hope to keep playing, to keep going. 1621 00:55:30.769 --> 00:55:33.045 - And and like Mark said, I think Lavelle 1622 00:55:33.105 --> 00:55:35.505 - is not a god. Right? He's just a 1623 00:55:35.505 --> 00:55:36.565 - good man who 1624 00:55:36.864 --> 00:55:39.364 - left a legacy of how he did it, 1625 00:55:39.585 --> 00:55:40.965 - and we can learn 1626 00:55:41.505 --> 00:55:43.025 - how he did it and apply it to 1627 00:55:43.025 --> 00:55:44.545 - our life and find that, hey. We can 1628 00:55:44.545 --> 00:55:46.320 - do some of that too. And we're not 1629 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.079 - all gonna have our names on that football 1630 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:48.579 - stadium, 1631 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.119 - but we can all be successful in this 1632 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:52.099 - game of life 1633 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:53.940 - as we keep trying. 1634 00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.960 - And the savior makes that possible because the 1635 00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.625 - trying sometimes is it leads to a lack 1636 00:56:00.625 --> 00:56:01.204 - of success 1637 00:56:01.744 --> 00:56:02.804 - and to success, 1638 00:56:03.264 --> 00:56:05.204 - and he allows us to go through both 1639 00:56:05.505 --> 00:56:06.964 - and promise us us 1640 00:56:07.264 --> 00:56:08.164 - a good finish. 1641 00:56:13.344 --> 00:56:15.719 - The end. That's it for this leading saints 1642 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:17.800 - episode. I encourage you to check out some 1643 00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:19.880 - of the most popular episodes of the podcast 1644 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:21.559 - that we list at the bottom of the 1645 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:23.559 - show notes. If you haven't listened to all 1646 00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:25.179 - of those, do so now. 1647 00:56:34.554 --> 00:56:37.114 - It came as a result of the position 1648 00:56:37.114 --> 00:56:40.175 - of leadership which was imposed upon us 1649 00:56:40.554 --> 00:56:42.574 - by the God of heaven who brought 1650 00:56:42.980 --> 00:56:46.280 - forth a restoration of the gospel of Jesus 1651 00:56:46.420 --> 00:56:46.920 - Christ. 1652 00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:48.599 - And when the declaration 1653 00:56:48.900 --> 00:56:52.179 - was made concerning the own and only true 1654 00:56:52.179 --> 00:56:54.579 - and living Church upon the face of the 1655 00:56:54.579 --> 00:56:55.079 - earth, 1656 00:56:55.655 --> 00:56:58.234 - We were immediately put in a position of 1657 00:56:58.375 --> 00:56:58.875 - loneliness, 1658 00:56:59.255 --> 00:57:00.875 - the loneliness of leadership 1659 00:57:01.494 --> 00:57:04.474 - from which we cannot shrink nor run away, 1660 00:57:05.255 --> 00:57:07.655 - and to which we must face up with 1661 00:57:07.655 --> 00:57:09.195 - boldness and courage 1662 00:57:09.734 --> 00:57:10.554 - and ability.