WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:03.199 - I was excited to add Dan Oakes to 2 00:00:03.199 --> 00:00:06.399 - the presenter lineup for the Liberating Saints virtual 3 00:00:06.399 --> 00:00:08.880 - summit because he, about a year ago, just 4 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:10.419 - returned as a mission president 5 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:12.259 - from the state of Washington. 6 00:00:12.914 --> 00:00:15.394 - And I'm just intrigued by this, all that 7 00:00:15.394 --> 00:00:18.454 - he's learned from, you know, working with missionaries 8 00:00:18.515 --> 00:00:20.835 - so closely. Now his his day job, his 9 00:00:20.835 --> 00:00:23.314 - career and profession is a therapist, and he's 10 00:00:23.314 --> 00:00:24.454 - literally helped thousands 11 00:00:24.914 --> 00:00:25.654 - of individuals, 12 00:00:26.349 --> 00:00:28.489 - you know, overcome pornography. But, 13 00:00:28.949 --> 00:00:31.109 - just in the context of being a mission 14 00:00:31.109 --> 00:00:32.570 - president and helping so many, 15 00:00:33.270 --> 00:00:35.590 - missionaries who've struggled with pornography in the past 16 00:00:35.590 --> 00:00:37.189 - or are currently struggling with it on their 17 00:00:37.189 --> 00:00:39.030 - mission. And so we had a great discussion, 18 00:00:39.030 --> 00:00:40.549 - and here's a clip that I just thought 19 00:00:40.549 --> 00:00:43.005 - this was a great point and really puts 20 00:00:43.465 --> 00:00:46.825 - the struggle of pornography into context of why 21 00:00:46.905 --> 00:00:48.905 - what what makes it so attractive? Like, maybe 22 00:00:48.905 --> 00:00:51.164 - our biology is like, well, duh. You know? 23 00:00:51.465 --> 00:00:53.545 - It's a it's a sexual desire and urge. 24 00:00:53.545 --> 00:00:55.704 - Of course, it's attractive as something that draws 25 00:00:55.704 --> 00:00:56.685 - people in, but 26 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:00.399 - why does pornography usage get worse and worse 27 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:02.399 - the more that people use it? And he 28 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.400 - talks about that it really has nothing to 29 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:06.959 - do with nudity. It has everything to do 30 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:09.965 - with novelty. So here's a quick clip from 31 00:01:09.965 --> 00:01:12.924 - the upcoming virtual summit, the Liberating Saints virtual 32 00:01:12.924 --> 00:01:15.724 - summit, and this presentation with Dan Oakes makes 33 00:01:15.724 --> 00:01:15.965 - it, 34 00:01:16.604 --> 00:01:19.405 - worth listening to altogether. So so make sure 35 00:01:19.405 --> 00:01:21.825 - you go to leadingsaints.org/liberating 36 00:01:21.965 --> 00:01:24.780 - to grab your free spot and, join us 37 00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:27.900 - on June 30 as we go through these 38 00:01:27.900 --> 00:01:28.400 - presentations. 39 00:01:29.259 --> 00:01:31.659 - Because the real issue is that the the 40 00:01:31.659 --> 00:01:33.519 - problem with porn is not nudity. 41 00:01:35.659 --> 00:01:36.719 - It is novelty. 42 00:01:38.465 --> 00:01:39.984 - Right? We have a we have a part 43 00:01:39.984 --> 00:01:41.744 - of our brain. Right at the very top 44 00:01:41.744 --> 00:01:42.805 - part of our brain 45 00:01:44.224 --> 00:01:46.384 - is, the part of our brain that's highly 46 00:01:46.384 --> 00:01:48.405 - attuned to novelty. Now think about this 47 00:01:48.784 --> 00:01:50.884 - like a think about it like a caveman. 48 00:01:51.049 --> 00:01:53.290 - We we we need food to stay alive, 49 00:01:53.290 --> 00:01:55.870 - and we need sexuality perpetuate our species. 50 00:01:56.409 --> 00:01:56.909 - Right? 51 00:01:57.689 --> 00:02:00.409 - But the one thing our brain likes more 52 00:02:00.409 --> 00:02:01.549 - than food and sexuality 53 00:02:02.409 --> 00:02:06.250 - is novelty, novel versions of those two. Why 54 00:02:06.250 --> 00:02:07.564 - is that? So 55 00:02:08.025 --> 00:02:10.044 - so here's the necessity of novelty. 56 00:02:10.824 --> 00:02:12.604 - We need novelty to learn. 57 00:02:13.305 --> 00:02:15.305 - For example, if I'm trying to teach my 58 00:02:15.305 --> 00:02:15.805 - child 59 00:02:16.344 --> 00:02:17.564 - the difference between 60 00:02:18.664 --> 00:02:20.584 - a red color and a green color, a 61 00:02:20.584 --> 00:02:22.264 - red crayon and a green crayon, and we're 62 00:02:22.264 --> 00:02:24.939 - teaching colors. You have to have multiple color. 63 00:02:24.939 --> 00:02:27.019 - You can't just have one color to teach 64 00:02:27.019 --> 00:02:28.719 - all the colors. You have to have 65 00:02:29.180 --> 00:02:30.400 - the novel variation 66 00:02:30.699 --> 00:02:32.939 - in order to learn. Novelty is a part 67 00:02:32.939 --> 00:02:34.479 - of learning. It's how we learn. 68 00:02:34.844 --> 00:02:37.004 - It's also associated with survival. If I'm a 69 00:02:37.004 --> 00:02:38.145 - caveman and 70 00:02:38.844 --> 00:02:41.264 - I'm I'm gonna go sit on the savanna 71 00:02:41.564 --> 00:02:43.805 - when I'm hungry looking for food, what am 72 00:02:43.805 --> 00:02:46.764 - I watching for? In my hunting mode, I'm 73 00:02:46.764 --> 00:02:47.824 - looking for movement 74 00:02:48.205 --> 00:02:49.025 - or color. 75 00:02:49.610 --> 00:02:50.430 - Right? So 76 00:02:51.770 --> 00:02:54.110 - novelty is critical part of our survival 77 00:02:54.969 --> 00:02:56.030 - that ends up getting 78 00:02:56.409 --> 00:02:56.909 - manipulated 79 00:02:57.290 --> 00:02:57.790 - by, 80 00:02:58.889 --> 00:03:02.395 - food companies, pornography companies. Right? Because the novel 81 00:03:02.395 --> 00:03:03.215 - view of it 82 00:03:03.675 --> 00:03:05.534 - it just just the other day, I was 83 00:03:05.594 --> 00:03:07.134 - in Utah for a business 84 00:03:07.435 --> 00:03:09.115 - thing, and I was at Thanksgiving Point. There 85 00:03:09.115 --> 00:03:11.914 - was a some kind of fair going on 86 00:03:11.914 --> 00:03:14.395 - and booths everywhere, and they had this candy 87 00:03:14.395 --> 00:03:16.310 - truck set up. And I walked up to 88 00:03:16.310 --> 00:03:18.310 - candy truck, and I'm thinking, I'm gonna buy 89 00:03:18.310 --> 00:03:20.069 - some candy for my grandkids and take them 90 00:03:20.069 --> 00:03:20.569 - home. 91 00:03:20.949 --> 00:03:23.289 - So much so much candy. I couldn't decide 92 00:03:24.069 --> 00:03:26.709 - what candy to get. Maybe I should sample 93 00:03:26.709 --> 00:03:29.094 - 20 of them. Right? But but novelty 94 00:03:30.034 --> 00:03:31.555 - traps us a little bit, pulls us in 95 00:03:31.555 --> 00:03:33.235 - because the problem with pornography is not the 96 00:03:33.235 --> 00:03:33.735 - nudity. 97 00:03:34.034 --> 00:03:35.254 - It is the novelty. 98 00:03:35.955 --> 00:03:38.775 - There have been studies that show, right, that 99 00:03:40.194 --> 00:03:42.294 - that when, people are exposed 100 00:03:43.469 --> 00:03:44.610 - to nude images, 101 00:03:45.150 --> 00:03:48.189 - their arousal structures go up, but within forty 102 00:03:48.189 --> 00:03:50.030 - five seconds to a minute, they come right 103 00:03:50.030 --> 00:03:50.849 - back down. 104 00:03:51.550 --> 00:03:52.050 - Right? 105 00:03:53.389 --> 00:03:57.150 - Because a a static image doesn't maintain long 106 00:03:57.150 --> 00:03:57.650 - term 107 00:03:58.414 --> 00:03:58.914 - arousal. 108 00:03:59.775 --> 00:04:02.334 - But if if a person is on the 109 00:04:02.334 --> 00:04:04.114 - Internet and they look at an image, 110 00:04:04.414 --> 00:04:04.914 - right, 111 00:04:06.334 --> 00:04:07.474 - they're they 112 00:04:08.094 --> 00:04:10.014 - they their energy will come up and the 113 00:04:10.014 --> 00:04:11.854 - sexual energy will start to come down, and 114 00:04:11.854 --> 00:04:14.159 - they just click and get a brand new 115 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.480 - image. So it looks similar to the similar 116 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.080 - to the first image, but now it's a 117 00:04:18.080 --> 00:04:19.839 - second image and the novelty piece of our 118 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:21.839 - brain kicks in. And so now there's more 119 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:23.839 - dopamine and we can click and click and 120 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.399 - click and get new image, new image, new 121 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:27.540 - image, new image, 122 00:04:28.004 --> 00:04:29.545 - and that is the mechanism 123 00:04:30.485 --> 00:04:32.965 - that creates the excessive amount of dopamine in 124 00:04:32.965 --> 00:04:34.425 - the brain is the novelty. 125 00:04:35.285 --> 00:04:36.504 - So parents, 126 00:04:37.205 --> 00:04:40.004 - lest you think it's about nudity, no. The 127 00:04:40.004 --> 00:04:40.504 - accessibility 128 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.459 - is about high levels of novelty. 129 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:44.899 - And 130 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:47.300 - porn makers know this. 131 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.819 - Right? They know exactly this. They're they're, 132 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.779 - engineering their websites and 133 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.259 - the marketing tools to utilize 134 00:04:57.285 --> 00:05:00.164 - novelty to draw people in. Right? To get 135 00:05:00.164 --> 00:05:02.425 - that dopamine spike. Right? 136 00:05:04.324 --> 00:05:06.805 - The other tool that's used by pornography makers 137 00:05:06.805 --> 00:05:09.944 - is what's called a super normal stimulant. 138 00:05:10.860 --> 00:05:13.500 - Right? Sometimes it's called the butterfly effect. And 139 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:14.240 - this this 140 00:05:14.620 --> 00:05:16.240 - really comes from, 141 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:18.879 - I think a Dutch biologist. 142 00:05:19.660 --> 00:05:21.740 - His name was Nico Timbergen. And he and 143 00:05:21.740 --> 00:05:23.419 - I I think he won Nobel Prize for 144 00:05:23.419 --> 00:05:25.439 - this. This is a really cool science. 145 00:05:26.275 --> 00:05:28.835 - Let's listen to what Tim Alright. There's the 146 00:05:28.835 --> 00:05:31.235 - clip. Thanks for, listening a few minutes. And, 147 00:05:31.235 --> 00:05:34.535 - again, go grab your spot at leadingsaints.org/liberating. 148 00:05:34.995 --> 00:05:36.995 - Make sure you have, your ticket to get 149 00:05:36.995 --> 00:05:39.165 - your logged in on the app and are 150 00:05:39.165 --> 00:05:42.885 - ready to consume the content starting Tuesday, June 151 00:05:42.885 --> 00:05:46.385 - 30. It's gonna be fantastic and very educational.