I would be rude if I didn't take
the time to explain to the newer listeners
what Leading Saints is. Here goes.
Leading Saints is an organization that started as
a hobby blog in 2010
and then really caught some traction in 2014
when the podcast started.
We talk about all things leadership in the
context of The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter day Saints. We aren't owned by the
church, but we have a great relationship with
them and always aim to be faith promoting
even though we talk about the tough topics.
My name is Kurt Frankem. I'm generally the
voice you hear as the host of the
podcast. I've tried to get other hosts, but
people demand my smooth tone, and I really
enjoy it. Check out leadingsaints.org
to really get into the weeds of what
Leading Saints is and learn all about our
mission to help Latter day Saints be better
prepared to lead.
Hey. So over at Zion Lab, which is
our online community for Zion builders, for leaders
in the church where it's an open forum
to come and bring your questions, your perspectives,
your best practices, and let's come together as
Zion
and share what's working for one another. Don't
just wait for the next podcast to come
out and hope that I find the the
the guest that's gonna maybe have some perspective
that's gonna be helpful. Let's come together
right
now in Zion Lab and share some perspective.
And one thing we do in Zion Lab
are, some live streams. We'll take a certain,
topic, a certain calling, a certain experience,
and, we'll get in the room remotely and
talk about it. So I wanted to share
a portion of a livestream that we did
for all bishop's wives. Now, of course, bishopric
wives were invited and really anybody was invited
to tune in, but it was,
amazing
to just hear
these women share their experience, the best practices,
what's working.
And so if you have a special bishop's
wife in your life, I would strongly encourage
you to copy,
the episode link and and send it in
a text to them and let them know
that others are may be struggling with something
similar or others have found,
some ways that to make the experience better
or
just sharing best practices
like that. And one of the common things
that come out, especially near the end, is
this
just this feeling of loneliness at times that
they feel as the bishop's wife with so
many responsibilities,
so many,
demands.
You know, there's just some of them are
trying to raise a family still, and now
their husband has this really demanding role, and
they they feel forgotten and they don't know
what to do. And so hearing them share
and support one another is fantastic. And this
actually led after I got done with this,
this live stream, I realized
we need a special spot in Zion Lab
just for bishopric wives. And so we created
that. So if you're interested
in being part of that, if you're bishop's
bishopric wife, of course,
we'd love to include you in that. So
here is a portion of the livestream we
did about bishop's wives.
Alright. Jenny, go ahead.
Alright. So,
my husband's been bishop about three years, and
we've been doing what I'm gonna say for
about a year.
My husband noticed that, like, sacrament meeting
planning was something he just completely delegated to
his counselors. It was nothing that he had
anything to do with,
and he was realizing I think he listened
to some podcast. I don't maybe it was
a leading saints podcast.
Yeah. I don't know. Will's talked about this.
Meeting.
And so
he's like, I I wanna be more involved,
but I just can't put anything on my
plate. And I said, well, I can help.
And so what we've done for the last
year, and we do it a quarter at
a time, is we meet together,
the entire bishopric and the wives,
and our music coordinator.
And we plan out three months of sacrament
meeting, the themes, the topics, things like that.
This the counselors are still reaching out and
asking people to speak,
but we've also,
I don't know. Then then we have
four more people besides the bishopric coming up
with ideas. And I know in the handbook,
it says the ward council is supposed to
plan a sacrament meeting, but the ward council
was like, we can't handle it either. Can
you guys try? So we did it for
three months, and then they loved the results.
Mhmm. And so we continue to do it
with the ward council's blessing. So it's not
like we're stepping on toes there. Anyway, it's
just been a blessing to be feel like
we're more involved and,
coming up with ideas. We've had some great
things, great sacrament meetings,
over the last year. So I love that
idea. Yeah. Simple ideas we could share like
that. And and I'm curious, Jenny, for you,
like, you mentioned it's just been helpful to
be more involved. I mean, you've kind of
you've sort of felt a role in this,
because, I mean, being a bishop is a
more of a family calling than an individual
calling. Right? Anything more to say to that?
Just your involvement or what it's felt like
for you or how it's strengthened you? Or
Well, just just because I've been behind the
scenes of planning, I've been,
on a personal level, like, excited,
like,
grinning, showing up to sacrament meeting each week
because I know,
what's what's going on. And I'm just so
excited to see our plans come to fruition,
and it's just
we rarely have the one youth speaker, one
adult speaker, musical number speaker.
That's gone. We haven't done that for almost
a year, maybe twice in the last year
format. So every Sunday is kind of new
and exciting, and it's kind of now our
congregation has really come to expect something fun.
So we just have it it's really helped
me
find a lot of joy
in going to church.
And I and imagine a lot of the
planning or meeting on that is happening outside
of Sunday, or is it Yeah. We normally
meet on a Sunday night once a quarter.
Okay. Yeah. That's great. So it's,
I mean, what what's your family dynamic? Do
you have young kids that you're getting to
church? Or So I don't have no. We're
empty nesters,
so that's helpful. But the other two counselors
have a lot of young kids. So we
normally meet at one of their houses after
the kids have gone to bed on a
Sunday night.
Great. Love that. Love that.
Yeah. And
is it Laofate? He's
says, I don't I don't wanna be in
for involved in any more areas because that
might be the case too. Right? It's like,
you want involvement, but maybe some
wives are like, oh, man. I don't have
any another minute to to give to the
experience. Right? But none I I love the
idea. Glad you shared it. Any other ideas,
best practices, questions,
struggles?
Victoria, go ahead.
I have a question for Jenny. Then what
does your sacrament meeting look like?
It sounds like there's not a typical one,
but just Right.
So we have had
question and answer sessions, and what that means,
like, we'll have
eight to 10 speakers, and they'll speak for
about two minutes each
on a question. And we'll start from eight
years old all the way up to 70
years old,
and then we'll have a musical number or
two that's on the topic. Like, one of
the questions is,
how do you feel the savior's love? And
so a primary child will answer
with, like, I felt it the other day,
you know, tell a story when someone was
mean to me, but instead I decided to
be nice and share my mechanical pencil with
them. And that's how I felt the savior's
love that day. And then we'll have a
musical number about I feel my savior's love
or something like that. So there's a theme
like that.
We have had,
our my husband asked people and said, in
three weeks, I want I went you know,
for the next three weeks, I want you
to think about how why do you believe
and write a ninety second talk answering that
question. And then in three weeks, we're just
gonna have an open mic, basically.
And we just and not a fastened testimony
meeting because it's like a prescribed, like, answering
this question. So,
we people just came up, and we had
more we ran out of time of people
sharing why they believed.
So things like that. That is great.
Wow.
That's cool. I'm curious out there. Is there
you know, when you talk about involvement, like,
you know, Jenny shares this experience where she
does kinda fill a a place, a role
in this experience.
Are there people out there that have, are
are seeking more of that or they're struggling
to find that? Or are there people that,
you know, bishops wise or individual or families
who kinda feel too involved or it's, like,
kind of encroaching too much on their life
and that struggle navigating that? Any thoughts?
Heather, go ahead.
I don't know if it's exactly on topic,
but
I think that's something that and and I'm
pretty self aware as an individual.
But as the wife of one of the
bishopric counselors,
I feel like I'm constantly
aware of
and sharing with my husband
things that I think the congregation
might be observing.
Like, I mean, I'm on the stand texting
things like you're mumbling, you need to speak
directly into the mic or I love it.
Yeah. You have a grouchy face and you
need to look more happy and pleasant up
there. And I I think it's part of
what
comes with the calling is this
hyper awareness of
what other people are thinking.
And they also feel it might just be
my ward, but
a lot of people come to me and
my husband
to share their feelings
or
ideas when they don't have confidence to go
directly to the bishop themselves.
Like, I think we may have too many
speakers in conference, and they'll say it to
me hoping that maybe that message gets or
not conference, in sacrament meeting, and hoping that
it gets directly to the right people. But
how do you I don't know if that's
a common experience that others feel, just that
hyper awareness of
where people feel like things could improve
and,
somewhat responsibility
that you have to share to help
make sure voices are heard that maybe that's
the way they're choosing to share.
Or maybe it's just an experience for me,
and it isn't
common. Any thoughts or perspective on that that
want anybody wants to share?
Erica, go ahead.
I'm a wife of a bishop, and it's
been
it's about two and a half years now.
And at the very beginning, I had I
had a lot of people that would come
to me and
would mention things like, oh, I'd like to
be in this calling, or I'd like to
do this, or, yeah, just things to improve
on. And I would be like,
well, you should go let the bishop know.
And
I I had to start doing that to
protect
my relationship with my husband because
pretty soon, it will just it just is
overcome with talking about church constantly
and callings. And and it's not my place
to,
I think, relay those messages
all the time, maybe sometimes, but
I think it just became important that people,
if
they have an issue, that they need to
go to the bishop or else just keep
it to their self.
Yeah. That's a great point that maybe there's
a boundary get to needs to be put
in place there or else to get to
like, suddenly you're the you're the, you know,
backdoor to,
getting a message to the bishop, which isn't
a healthy dynamic for sure. Absolutely.
On where on the one side is I
think it like, I think was it Heather?
Somebody was saying just that, you know, just
being that observer, like, being able to sort
of take in that data, and then
maybe that's
leads to a conversation that that's helpful to
may help the bishop be more self aware.
But any other thoughts around that or elsewhere?
See, Victoria, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. I have
people if they can't reach my husband, like,
he's at work, you know, just during regular
work hours,
they call me to find out where he
is. I'm like, well,
he's at work. Or if they think, well,
I thought he'd be with you. No. It's
still 02:00 on a Sunday. He's he's still
at church.
Oh, yeah. It's like and and, frankly, honestly,
sometimes, even if he's not,
yeah, I let him still be at work.
I let him still be at church because
he needs a break.
You know? They they get so worn out,
and there's so many there's not necessarily so
many, but there are definitely things they they
cannot and should not share with us. And
those are things that are usually pretty heavy
on their heart,
but they can't talk to us, the person
that they talk to about most everything.
And I know sometimes on my husband, that's
hard. The first time that happened, he came
in,
and he just had his dazed look on
his face, and I could tell he had,
sort of speak, been through something. And he's
like,
I can't tell you one thing about it.
You know what I mean? He wanted to
talk. He needed to talk to someone, but
he's just like, I cannot tell you anything.
And I said, well, they must just be
together.
And that's how we went forward.
But,
I think
people sometimes almost see us a little bit
too much as one person,
you know, in that way of, well, where
is he? Well, can I? And it's like,
no, I will I'll put up walls if
I need to to protect my husband in
those ways. He's you know, all of our
husbands are available
enough. They they really, really are. And most
of the time, I don't know about any
of you, but every time I have had
someone trying to run him down to the
earth, it really was not important or even
time sensitive.
It was just something they were feeling a
whole lot about
and really wanted to get taken care of.
It wasn't urgent in any real way. They
wanted to check it off their list.
And,
I hate doing that. I I hate
I hate having personal boundaries, you know, and
now I have to have them for him,
and then they turn into this entity. He's
not just your husband.
He's not someone at church. He's the bishop,
and there's all these expectations.
And,
that's been weird to see that shift in
people to where he's become
this third person, this entity, rather than the
person who has been living in this Lord
since 2008 that people had known and known,
had dinner with, played games with, you know,
but now he's bishop.
That's been weird.
Yeah.
We were kinda warned about it. We kind
of figured that would happen. You know, we
would see it especially when he was already
counselor and things shifted a little.
But,
you know, we have friends, some he's known
since high school who are like, so are
you bishop calling or are you Bob calling?
And and I understand what they're saying. You
know? I mean, which way do we need
to go with this? And that's fine. And
I always refer to him as bishop anyway.
But
it does kinda it also kinda hurts too
that he's not why can't he be both?
Why does there have to be a separation?
He's just a guy filling a calling
just like they are. You know?
Yeah. I think that's really a helpful perspective
for especially new
families called into this role that to understand
that they're you know, these are some things
to talk through and expect and how we're
gonna navigate that. And I and I appreciate
your framing of that of,
you know, the you become an entity, whether
that's the bishop entity or which is part
of you know, it includes the family. That's
really helpful. Really helpful.
Anybody else,
have a thought as how you navigate similar
dynamics or
go ahead.
Are you Zachary?
I'm Sherry. I my husband is home today,
but,
I I feel, protective of his time a
little bit. And, you know, we're just in
this about over a year,
And
I I always am telling him to delegate
more.
We have four kids, and we're we're really,
really busy.
And I'm I'm just curious if you guys
have ideas on
on how to do that. I mean, some
things, you know, they are the only person
that can do it, but, I felt there
is a lot
that,
can kind of be delegated. Or I'm just
wondering, you know, one friend told us wait
twenty four hours before
replying to things, which,
my husband has never done. But,
and also that they're also in charge of
the young men's,
you know, program kind of now too is
that that comes with it when there's
so much
involvement there. So I don't know. I just
I mean,
I guess, because we're at a very busy
point in our life right now that it
it feels like a lot. So I'm just
wondering if there's ways that, other people have
found to kind of work through that.
Yeah. Great question.
Anybody wanna share?
Erica, go ahead.
We my husband was told about the the
wait twenty four hours to respond.
And
at first, he wasn't doing that, and then
it it was too much because nowadays, it's
everyone has access to Bishop and cell phone
number texting constantly. Like, he gets home from
work, and it was like
he needs another hour just to respond to
all the messages on his phone.
And it got to the point that it
it was too much, and so he he
started doing that.
He would wait twenty four hours
to respond,
and
most everything
worked itself out, and then he wouldn't need
to address anything.
So I highly recommend
the wait twenty four hours. It
it frees up a lot of mental space.
Great advice.
Marlene, go ahead.
So I was just gonna say,
my husband has a very
I mean, all all jobs are busy. Right?
But he has a position
where,
he does, like, marketing for a hospital system.
But he's very accessible
to people at work,
but then he's also very accessible to people
at church.
And he's had where people have gotten offended
if he doesn't answer them right away, but
he might be on a deadline
at work that
is takes has to take priority. You know,
that's his job. He could lose his job
if he doesn't, you know, handle things. But,
I was just gonna mention as far as
our situation is we're empty nesters, which is
great,
but
very busy in his calling because he's a
YSA bishop.
So we went through five years of family
ward bishop, and then he had an eighteen
month break doing other callings, and then he
was YSA bishop.
So altogether, we've done seven years of bishop.
So got another year left, hopefully. Yeah.
That just,
you know, because in theory, YSA is,
three years instead of five. But,
when he was
put in as YSA bishop, we had gone
to dinner with
a previous bishop and wife.
And I had asked the question, what's the
difference between a family ward bishop and a
YSA,
you know, ward bishop? And he says, well,
it's Chihuahua and a Great Dane are both
dogs.
So, obviously, there there's differences, but, you know,
there's some things that are the same. But,
we're kind of in the stage of life
that
even though we're empty nesters, so we're not
having little children that we're having to worry
about.
For when he was wise or when he
was family ward bishop,
his mom,
was a widow
and was very needy.
And he was her comfort zone, and he
was and so there was some times that
there was animosity or not animosity, more resentment
sentiment
of the time that he was be spending
bishoping
when it was taken away from her.
And,
his mom has now passed away, and my
parents have both passed away, and
and his dad has passed away. But we
still have elderly
family members, which is an aunt and uncle
that never had children, and so we're kind
of the ones that take care of them.
And so there's always gonna be
times that were
needed
in for our family
outside of church,
and sometimes that's just a tricky thing to
try to navigate.
And,
just a real quick thing as well is
is just,
you know, the saying mama bear.
I've kinda joked and said I'm a wifey
bear
that I I I I get have a
hard time
when people are critical
of my husband
or
that they just don't seem to understand
the challenges that we're facing.
And
when he was released from family ward bishop,
coincidentally,
the neighbors across the street, and we're in
Southern California, so we don't always have, you
know, LDS neighbors, but he ended up becoming
the bishop. And
I told them, I said, I'm gonna be
your number one cheerleader because I know know
how hard it is. You know? So it's
just trying to hit that happy medium
of doing our best in our callings or
to help build the kingdom, but also not
neglect our family members.
Thank you. Jody.
One thing that we had a member of
our ward that was contacting my husband
very frequently
about things that,
in my opinion,
did not
have to be handled by the bishop. It
was something that definitely the elders quorum or
administering brothers should be more involved in. And
I expressed my concern to my husband. And
and just a little bit of background, this
is our second time of him serving as
bishop. We are empty nesters now. But,
anyway, but that doesn't really matter except that
we've learned a whole lot and are smarter
this time. So I expressed my concern to
my husband and said, why don't you maybe
let his ministering brother know a little bit
what's going on and see if you can
hand this off? And so he did. He
contacted the ministering brother and said,
so and so has contacted me
with this particular issue.
Would you be willing to,
reach out to him? And he said, you
bet. I'm on it, Bishop.
So then my husband
texted this brother back and said, I've contacted
your mystery brother, and he'll be getting in
touch with you.
It was a wonderful
way for my husband to train
this man that legitimately
has need. I mean, he has needs, and
so
it wasn't something that didn't need addressed, but
it didn't need to be done by my
husband. And by handing it off in that
graceful way,
instead of just telling him, contact your ministering
brother, my husband did it for him and
then passed it off, and it's worked really
well.
Thank you, Jody.
Fawn, go ahead.
We're brand new. My husband just got called
two months ago
and
just trying to figure out what is it
that I'm supposed to be doing. Is there
is there something I'm supposed to be doing,
or is it just supporting him? I mean
and that's not a just, but it's is
that
I don't know. I've just been trying to
figure out what my my role is in
all this. Any thoughts there?
Victoria, go ahead.
I don't know if you were told this
by the state presidency, but when, my husband
was set apart, nothing. Okay. We were told,
first of all, for him to give me
a blessing,
and I would really highly strongly suggest that
you you have that done. That gave me
some direction on where to go, where to
focus,
what to do with some of my strengths,
what to do about some of my weaknesses,
because this does feel like a calling even
though it isn't.
It really does.
And that helped me quite a bit because
I like just like it gave me something
to work with, somewhere somewhere to look at,
something to start
with. And then, we were told, of course,
about
keeping the priorities,
which you probably heard that part of his
relationship with Heavenly Father's relationship with human family,
employment,
and then the calling.
Mhmm. I think that's one.
Yeah. We may know that, but a lot
of the ward members don't. You know? They
they just don't. I we're here in the
South. They are used to pay preachers who
are accessible
for anything and everything
twenty four seven.
They they really don't like that our bishops
have jobs.
And they it's one sister even said that.
I just really wish you didn't have a
job. And she was the one that will
call and say, well, where is he? Literally
will ask me where he is. Like, well,
he's, of course, with patients. He's at work.
But,
the twenty four hour wait twenty four hour
thing,
that was something my husband had seen
as a counselor,
and I would wholeheartedly recommend that
wholeheartedly.
Because I am seeing a lot of lot
of text messages and calls and Yeah. And
that's the thing. I mean,
we get in our our self, right, and
we're kind of we're having our moment, and
so we reach out to someone who feels
safe and we feel we can help us,
and that can be our bishop, right? Good.
Great.
But that doesn't make it an emergency,
you know?
And quite often, and especially at two in
the morning, you know,
that's not okay.
And as that time goes on,
we handle it on our own. We really
do. And we come out of it, And
if you maybe remove an appointment at that
point, like morning comes, get ready to cancel
that appointment because you've handled it. Even if
you didn't call him, even if you just
made an appointment, usually by then, you've kinda
worked yourself through it.
And that has been that has been such
such a help. And besides that, what your
job is,
you've gotta be inspired on what you need,
your ward need, your family needs.
I'm very
our previous bishop, I always had lunch with
her. We eat what we need a few
times a year.
And so I picked her brain when we
knew this was coming.
But at the same time, we are very
different people,
very different. And
her
husband and mine are
very different.
And so it helped,
but in some ways, it didn't feel like
applicable
at the same time, if you know what
I mean, because we were so very different.
I noticed one person saying you're his fourth
counselor. Our state president said, actually, I'm the
first counselor.
And then he has his first counselor, and
then he has his well, he doesn't have
a second counselor. He only has one counselor.
He only only has. But,
don't gossip because people think you know stuff.
You got that's one thing I found out
too. If somebody's just you know, sometimes we
chat about
callings. We're just chatting. Just like people talk
about the weather. Well, we're LDS. We chat
about calling sometimes. Right? People think you know
something when you're bishop's life.
I am very careful about what I say
now
because people think I know something. Or like
the other sister said, I have input in
something,
which if I do or I don't, I'm
not gonna let anybody know.
That's, you know, that's not to be. No.
But I would I would really, really say
get get that blessing, and that'll probably solve
answer most of your questions right there. I
hope that helps. Yeah. That's great. Alvina, did
you have something?
I was gonna,
reiterate the blessing getting a blessing from your
husband. I actually got one from the state
president.
He pulled me aside and said that if
I needed anything,
to call him.
Because sometimes my husband has to have his
bishop hat on, and he can't put his
his husband bishop or his husband
hat on in that moment.
So he is may make sure that, you
know, your state president
is, available to you.
And
this last week has been an interesting Sunday.
My husband announced that we are have realigned
our ward boundaries.
We've, you know, picked up 60 new families,
and we already had a very high needs
ward, and now we have about 40 more.
So, it's gonna be an interesting week. And
just watching his phone blow up in the
last four days has been,
extremely interesting, especially with the work
and,
trying to organize the reorganization
of of the ward.
And so it's it's been kinda crazy,
and
just remember that heavenly father is always there
for you. Your sick president's there,
and to just spend a lot of time
on your knees. I know that that sounds
trite,
but,
it it it helps
because as,
Emma Smith was told that her greatest calling
was to be in support of her husband.
And,
I I know I lose sight of that
sometimes, especially when I feel like my needs
aren't being met,
that there are other people there for you
if it can't be your husband in that
moment. And I'm so grateful for this.
Thank you for holding the Scion Labs. I
appreciate it so much. Yeah.
Jenny, do you have something to share?
I was just gonna comment a little bit
on the previous question about delegating,
and I hopefully, everyone else will agree with
this. I think the
key thing is that you you have
a good elders quorum president and relief society
president, and that they understand
their callings,
and that they truly are over the adults
of the ward and the bishop is not.
And when they feel empowered
to take on those roles and,
be proactive in their callings,
that removes a lot of the burden off
the husband and then the your the husband,
the bishopric, can focus more on the youth,
which is their new priority.
I will say also that, you know, we
live in Gilbert, Arizona, so we we're like
Utah light, so we have a lot of
people that are willing to help.
And so
we have what he's done with the with
the young men so that he's not just,
like, all of a sudden over he's not
the young men's presidency.
They're just,
helping to run the youth. They're supposed to
be over the youth, not just the young
men. And so he has just called multiple
advisers
for every single priesthood quorum so that he
and his counselors do not have to be
present. There's at least two other men in
every single quorum
that are there, and they're the ones that
are, like,
planning the meetings and getting you know, training
helping the youth teach the lessons and doing
the day to day things. And so that
alleviates the bishopric to
show up and be present
and be there and totally be there and
not be behind the scenes running the activities
and planning all the stuff like that. So
those are just my two bits of advice
for delegating from a previous,
question.
Thank you. Marlene, did you have something to
share?
I guess this is just for fun about
being brand new and stuff is that
the thing that I thought about when my
husband was called for the first time as
a family ward bishop
is I thought, how am I supposed to
follow the previous ward's,
you know, bishop's wife? I mean, she was
a scriptorian. She taught seminary,
and she made gourmet desserts,
for bishop's firesides. How am I supposed to
follow that?
And it's like,
at the time,
I'm I'm retired now just because I've had
some
health problems, long COVID, all that junk. But
back then, I was working full time,
and I thought, okay. I'm gonna go to
Costco and buy a bunch of cupcakes because
sugar is sugar, and this is the way
the new bishop's wife rolls. Because I'm not
gonna make a gourmet dessert
for this, you know, this this our first
bishop's fireside.
And it's almost kinda like the Lord has
called you and your husband
because he knows your talents for what is
needed now,
and to not be intimidated
by,
you know, that just to trust
that that's what,
the word needs from you now because that's,
you know, the the lord's in charge.
It's just
it's interesting
just coming from the perspective
of having
I know I meant talk before, but of
both a family ward and and YSA ward
is, like,
for the first
year and a half,
we were the only two people
over the age of, you know, 30 and
then eventually 35.
So we had, like, no other older adults,
and we felt very alone.
But, I guess, recently,
a bishopric
counselor
can be
an older married,
adult.
So he has that now where he has
one YSA and one,
ultra married.
But
I find and maybe, you know,
and maybe this is the same for others
or not, but I just find this calling
very lonely.
It's more so even now. Sorry.
I don't mean to be negative.
It's just,
because we're in Southern California, we have five
stakes of YSA's that are all together in
this ward.
But it's just,
I feel like our social life has taken
a huge hit
because it's like we're constantly going to,
you know,
YSA activities
or,
you know,
we're just
constantly busy,
with, you know, devotionals
and
service projects
and
institute and
FHE.
And it's always like and if we don't
go, we feel that we're letting them down.
So if anybody has the idea about how
to not feel lonely.
Yeah. Well, I appreciate that, Marlene, and that's
a big reason why we're we're doing this
because, you know, like Mary says in the
comments, that's feeling of loneliness has been overwhelming
for her as well. So,
we're trying to figure out how to carve
out a place in in Zine Lab here
so that, there's less loneliness and you can
relate to more people. So
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It came as a result of the position
of leadership which was imposed upon us
by the God of heaven who brought forth
a restoration
of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And when the declaration
was made concerning the own and only true
and living church upon the face of the
earth,
we were immediately put in a position
of loneliness.
The loneliness of leadership
from which we cannot shrink nor run away,
and to which we must face up with
boldness and courage
and ability.