1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,120 I would be rude if I didn't take 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,380 the time to explain to the newer listeners 3 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:11,939 what Leading Saints is. Here goes. 4 00:00:12,255 --> 00:00:14,655 Leading Saints is an organization that started as 5 00:00:14,655 --> 00:00:16,755 a hobby blog in 2010 6 00:00:16,894 --> 00:00:19,795 and then really caught some traction in 2014 7 00:00:19,855 --> 00:00:21,154 when the podcast started. 8 00:00:21,454 --> 00:00:23,454 We talk about all things leadership in the 9 00:00:23,454 --> 00:00:25,375 context of The Church of Jesus Christ of 10 00:00:25,375 --> 00:00:27,510 Latter day Saints. We aren't owned by the 11 00:00:27,510 --> 00:00:29,429 church, but we have a great relationship with 12 00:00:29,429 --> 00:00:31,449 them and always aim to be faith promoting 13 00:00:31,829 --> 00:00:34,009 even though we talk about the tough topics. 14 00:00:34,390 --> 00:00:36,469 My name is Kurt Frankem. I'm generally the 15 00:00:36,469 --> 00:00:38,229 voice you hear as the host of the 16 00:00:38,229 --> 00:00:40,534 podcast. I've tried to get other hosts, but 17 00:00:40,534 --> 00:00:43,494 people demand my smooth tone, and I really 18 00:00:43,494 --> 00:00:46,215 enjoy it. Check out leadingsaints.org 19 00:00:46,215 --> 00:00:47,814 to really get into the weeds of what 20 00:00:47,814 --> 00:00:50,215 Leading Saints is and learn all about our 21 00:00:50,215 --> 00:00:52,295 mission to help Latter day Saints be better 22 00:00:52,295 --> 00:00:53,354 prepared to lead. 23 00:00:57,130 --> 00:00:58,890 Hey. So over at Zion Lab, which is 24 00:00:58,890 --> 00:01:02,270 our online community for Zion builders, for leaders 25 00:01:02,809 --> 00:01:05,049 in the church where it's an open forum 26 00:01:05,049 --> 00:01:07,150 to come and bring your questions, your perspectives, 27 00:01:07,754 --> 00:01:10,155 your best practices, and let's come together as 28 00:01:10,155 --> 00:01:10,655 Zion 29 00:01:11,114 --> 00:01:13,275 and share what's working for one another. Don't 30 00:01:13,275 --> 00:01:15,194 just wait for the next podcast to come 31 00:01:15,194 --> 00:01:17,435 out and hope that I find the the 32 00:01:17,435 --> 00:01:19,834 the guest that's gonna maybe have some perspective 33 00:01:19,834 --> 00:01:21,854 that's gonna be helpful. Let's come together 34 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:22,700 right 35 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,479 now in Zion Lab and share some perspective. 36 00:01:25,479 --> 00:01:27,340 And one thing we do in Zion Lab 37 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:30,060 are, some live streams. We'll take a certain, 38 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:33,019 topic, a certain calling, a certain experience, 39 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:36,439 and, we'll get in the room remotely and 40 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:37,924 talk about it. So I wanted to share 41 00:01:37,924 --> 00:01:40,405 a portion of a livestream that we did 42 00:01:40,405 --> 00:01:43,144 for all bishop's wives. Now, of course, bishopric 43 00:01:43,284 --> 00:01:45,864 wives were invited and really anybody was invited 44 00:01:46,245 --> 00:01:47,444 to tune in, but it was, 45 00:01:48,004 --> 00:01:48,504 amazing 46 00:01:49,204 --> 00:01:50,104 to just hear 47 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:53,359 these women share their experience, the best practices, 48 00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:54,239 what's working. 49 00:01:54,540 --> 00:01:56,700 And so if you have a special bishop's 50 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,500 wife in your life, I would strongly encourage 51 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:00,560 you to copy, 52 00:02:01,099 --> 00:02:03,019 the episode link and and send it in 53 00:02:03,019 --> 00:02:05,119 a text to them and let them know 54 00:02:05,594 --> 00:02:07,835 that others are may be struggling with something 55 00:02:07,835 --> 00:02:09,455 similar or others have found, 56 00:02:09,754 --> 00:02:12,474 some ways that to make the experience better 57 00:02:12,474 --> 00:02:12,974 or 58 00:02:13,355 --> 00:02:14,574 just sharing best practices 59 00:02:14,875 --> 00:02:16,955 like that. And one of the common things 60 00:02:16,955 --> 00:02:19,194 that come out, especially near the end, is 61 00:02:19,194 --> 00:02:19,355 this 62 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:22,349 just this feeling of loneliness at times that 63 00:02:22,349 --> 00:02:24,990 they feel as the bishop's wife with so 64 00:02:24,990 --> 00:02:25,810 many responsibilities, 65 00:02:26,349 --> 00:02:26,990 so many, 66 00:02:27,389 --> 00:02:27,889 demands. 67 00:02:28,189 --> 00:02:29,710 You know, there's just some of them are 68 00:02:29,710 --> 00:02:31,469 trying to raise a family still, and now 69 00:02:31,469 --> 00:02:34,129 their husband has this really demanding role, and 70 00:02:34,634 --> 00:02:36,395 they they feel forgotten and they don't know 71 00:02:36,395 --> 00:02:37,995 what to do. And so hearing them share 72 00:02:37,995 --> 00:02:39,995 and support one another is fantastic. And this 73 00:02:39,995 --> 00:02:42,254 actually led after I got done with this, 74 00:02:42,634 --> 00:02:44,334 this live stream, I realized 75 00:02:44,794 --> 00:02:47,194 we need a special spot in Zion Lab 76 00:02:47,194 --> 00:02:49,290 just for bishopric wives. And so we created 77 00:02:49,290 --> 00:02:50,510 that. So if you're interested 78 00:02:50,890 --> 00:02:52,650 in being part of that, if you're bishop's 79 00:02:52,650 --> 00:02:54,110 bishopric wife, of course, 80 00:02:54,490 --> 00:02:56,170 we'd love to include you in that. So 81 00:02:56,170 --> 00:02:58,090 here is a portion of the livestream we 82 00:02:58,090 --> 00:02:59,950 did about bishop's wives. 83 00:03:07,125 --> 00:03:08,425 Alright. Jenny, go ahead. 84 00:03:08,805 --> 00:03:09,764 Alright. So, 85 00:03:11,044 --> 00:03:13,284 my husband's been bishop about three years, and 86 00:03:13,284 --> 00:03:15,604 we've been doing what I'm gonna say for 87 00:03:15,604 --> 00:03:16,665 about a year. 88 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:20,319 My husband noticed that, like, sacrament meeting 89 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,420 planning was something he just completely delegated to 90 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:25,420 his counselors. It was nothing that he had 91 00:03:25,420 --> 00:03:26,639 anything to do with, 92 00:03:27,020 --> 00:03:28,939 and he was realizing I think he listened 93 00:03:28,939 --> 00:03:30,460 to some podcast. I don't maybe it was 94 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:31,680 a leading saints podcast. 95 00:03:32,194 --> 00:03:33,715 Yeah. I don't know. Will's talked about this. 96 00:03:33,794 --> 00:03:34,294 Meeting. 97 00:03:35,474 --> 00:03:36,215 And so 98 00:03:36,594 --> 00:03:38,514 he's like, I I wanna be more involved, 99 00:03:38,514 --> 00:03:40,194 but I just can't put anything on my 100 00:03:40,194 --> 00:03:42,135 plate. And I said, well, I can help. 101 00:03:42,835 --> 00:03:45,235 And so what we've done for the last 102 00:03:45,235 --> 00:03:47,370 year, and we do it a quarter at 103 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:48,909 a time, is we meet together, 104 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:51,469 the entire bishopric and the wives, 105 00:03:52,409 --> 00:03:54,109 and our music coordinator. 106 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:58,349 And we plan out three months of sacrament 107 00:03:58,409 --> 00:04:01,694 meeting, the themes, the topics, things like that. 108 00:04:02,254 --> 00:04:04,814 This the counselors are still reaching out and 109 00:04:04,814 --> 00:04:06,194 asking people to speak, 110 00:04:06,814 --> 00:04:07,955 but we've also, 111 00:04:08,735 --> 00:04:10,355 I don't know. Then then we have 112 00:04:11,295 --> 00:04:13,694 four more people besides the bishopric coming up 113 00:04:13,694 --> 00:04:15,719 with ideas. And I know in the handbook, 114 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:17,560 it says the ward council is supposed to 115 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,120 plan a sacrament meeting, but the ward council 116 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,800 was like, we can't handle it either. Can 117 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,160 you guys try? So we did it for 118 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,259 three months, and then they loved the results. 119 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,800 Mhmm. And so we continue to do it 120 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,720 with the ward council's blessing. So it's not 121 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,634 like we're stepping on toes there. Anyway, it's 122 00:04:32,634 --> 00:04:34,795 just been a blessing to be feel like 123 00:04:34,795 --> 00:04:36,394 we're more involved and, 124 00:04:37,834 --> 00:04:39,754 coming up with ideas. We've had some great 125 00:04:39,754 --> 00:04:41,774 things, great sacrament meetings, 126 00:04:42,314 --> 00:04:44,839 over the last year. So I love that 127 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,759 idea. Yeah. Simple ideas we could share like 128 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:49,240 that. And and I'm curious, Jenny, for you, 129 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,319 like, you mentioned it's just been helpful to 130 00:04:51,319 --> 00:04:53,720 be more involved. I mean, you've kind of 131 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,360 you've sort of felt a role in this, 132 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,834 because, I mean, being a bishop is a 133 00:04:57,834 --> 00:04:59,694 more of a family calling than an individual 134 00:04:59,754 --> 00:05:01,834 calling. Right? Anything more to say to that? 135 00:05:01,834 --> 00:05:03,514 Just your involvement or what it's felt like 136 00:05:03,514 --> 00:05:05,694 for you or how it's strengthened you? Or 137 00:05:06,074 --> 00:05:08,714 Well, just just because I've been behind the 138 00:05:08,714 --> 00:05:10,735 scenes of planning, I've been, 139 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:14,000 on a personal level, like, excited, 140 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:15,120 like, 141 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:17,899 grinning, showing up to sacrament meeting each week 142 00:05:17,899 --> 00:05:18,800 because I know, 143 00:05:19,819 --> 00:05:21,580 what's what's going on. And I'm just so 144 00:05:21,580 --> 00:05:24,160 excited to see our plans come to fruition, 145 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:25,279 and it's just 146 00:05:25,694 --> 00:05:28,974 we rarely have the one youth speaker, one 147 00:05:28,974 --> 00:05:31,074 adult speaker, musical number speaker. 148 00:05:31,454 --> 00:05:33,214 That's gone. We haven't done that for almost 149 00:05:33,214 --> 00:05:34,974 a year, maybe twice in the last year 150 00:05:34,974 --> 00:05:37,454 format. So every Sunday is kind of new 151 00:05:37,454 --> 00:05:38,974 and exciting, and it's kind of now our 152 00:05:38,974 --> 00:05:41,669 congregation has really come to expect something fun. 153 00:05:41,669 --> 00:05:44,709 So we just have it it's really helped 154 00:05:44,709 --> 00:05:45,209 me 155 00:05:45,589 --> 00:05:46,810 find a lot of joy 156 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:48,250 in going to church. 157 00:05:49,029 --> 00:05:50,550 And I and imagine a lot of the 158 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:52,870 planning or meeting on that is happening outside 159 00:05:52,870 --> 00:05:55,110 of Sunday, or is it Yeah. We normally 160 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:57,129 meet on a Sunday night once a quarter. 161 00:05:57,524 --> 00:05:59,384 Okay. Yeah. That's great. So it's, 162 00:05:59,925 --> 00:06:01,764 I mean, what what's your family dynamic? Do 163 00:06:01,764 --> 00:06:02,964 you have young kids that you're getting to 164 00:06:02,964 --> 00:06:05,285 church? Or So I don't have no. We're 165 00:06:05,285 --> 00:06:06,105 empty nesters, 166 00:06:06,564 --> 00:06:08,805 so that's helpful. But the other two counselors 167 00:06:08,805 --> 00:06:09,925 have a lot of young kids. So we 168 00:06:09,925 --> 00:06:11,639 normally meet at one of their houses after 169 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:12,920 the kids have gone to bed on a 170 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:13,819 Sunday night. 171 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,540 Great. Love that. Love that. 172 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,900 Yeah. And 173 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:19,819 is it Laofate? He's 174 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,560 says, I don't I don't wanna be in 175 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,319 for involved in any more areas because that 176 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:24,759 might be the case too. Right? It's like, 177 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:26,620 you want involvement, but maybe some 178 00:06:26,944 --> 00:06:28,805 wives are like, oh, man. I don't have 179 00:06:29,105 --> 00:06:30,944 any another minute to to give to the 180 00:06:30,944 --> 00:06:32,944 experience. Right? But none I I love the 181 00:06:32,944 --> 00:06:35,985 idea. Glad you shared it. Any other ideas, 182 00:06:35,985 --> 00:06:37,524 best practices, questions, 183 00:06:38,464 --> 00:06:38,964 struggles? 184 00:06:40,050 --> 00:06:41,110 Victoria, go ahead. 185 00:06:41,810 --> 00:06:43,649 I have a question for Jenny. Then what 186 00:06:43,649 --> 00:06:45,670 does your sacrament meeting look like? 187 00:06:46,210 --> 00:06:47,889 It sounds like there's not a typical one, 188 00:06:47,889 --> 00:06:48,870 but just Right. 189 00:06:50,370 --> 00:06:52,149 So we have had 190 00:06:53,335 --> 00:06:56,055 question and answer sessions, and what that means, 191 00:06:56,055 --> 00:06:57,115 like, we'll have 192 00:06:57,814 --> 00:07:00,295 eight to 10 speakers, and they'll speak for 193 00:07:00,295 --> 00:07:01,754 about two minutes each 194 00:07:02,214 --> 00:07:04,375 on a question. And we'll start from eight 195 00:07:04,375 --> 00:07:06,694 years old all the way up to 70 196 00:07:06,694 --> 00:07:07,500 years old, 197 00:07:07,899 --> 00:07:09,740 and then we'll have a musical number or 198 00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:11,500 two that's on the topic. Like, one of 199 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:12,720 the questions is, 200 00:07:13,259 --> 00:07:15,259 how do you feel the savior's love? And 201 00:07:15,259 --> 00:07:17,439 so a primary child will answer 202 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:19,899 with, like, I felt it the other day, 203 00:07:19,899 --> 00:07:21,824 you know, tell a story when someone was 204 00:07:21,824 --> 00:07:24,144 mean to me, but instead I decided to 205 00:07:24,144 --> 00:07:26,305 be nice and share my mechanical pencil with 206 00:07:26,305 --> 00:07:28,545 them. And that's how I felt the savior's 207 00:07:28,545 --> 00:07:30,225 love that day. And then we'll have a 208 00:07:30,225 --> 00:07:32,625 musical number about I feel my savior's love 209 00:07:32,625 --> 00:07:34,865 or something like that. So there's a theme 210 00:07:34,865 --> 00:07:35,605 like that. 211 00:07:36,649 --> 00:07:37,769 We have had, 212 00:07:38,329 --> 00:07:40,569 our my husband asked people and said, in 213 00:07:40,569 --> 00:07:42,490 three weeks, I want I went you know, 214 00:07:42,490 --> 00:07:43,769 for the next three weeks, I want you 215 00:07:43,769 --> 00:07:46,029 to think about how why do you believe 216 00:07:47,129 --> 00:07:49,634 and write a ninety second talk answering that 217 00:07:49,714 --> 00:07:51,475 question. And then in three weeks, we're just 218 00:07:51,475 --> 00:07:53,095 gonna have an open mic, basically. 219 00:07:53,395 --> 00:07:55,175 And we just and not a fastened testimony 220 00:07:55,235 --> 00:07:57,395 meeting because it's like a prescribed, like, answering 221 00:07:57,395 --> 00:07:58,535 this question. So, 222 00:07:59,955 --> 00:08:02,535 we people just came up, and we had 223 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:05,290 more we ran out of time of people 224 00:08:05,290 --> 00:08:06,670 sharing why they believed. 225 00:08:07,290 --> 00:08:09,790 So things like that. That is great. 226 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:10,990 Wow. 227 00:08:11,290 --> 00:08:13,529 That's cool. I'm curious out there. Is there 228 00:08:13,689 --> 00:08:15,529 you know, when you talk about involvement, like, 229 00:08:15,529 --> 00:08:17,404 you know, Jenny shares this experience where she 230 00:08:17,404 --> 00:08:19,564 does kinda fill a a place, a role 231 00:08:19,564 --> 00:08:20,545 in this experience. 232 00:08:21,964 --> 00:08:24,125 Are there people out there that have, are 233 00:08:24,125 --> 00:08:26,205 are seeking more of that or they're struggling 234 00:08:26,205 --> 00:08:28,625 to find that? Or are there people that, 235 00:08:29,459 --> 00:08:31,819 you know, bishops wise or individual or families 236 00:08:31,819 --> 00:08:34,220 who kinda feel too involved or it's, like, 237 00:08:34,220 --> 00:08:36,220 kind of encroaching too much on their life 238 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:39,039 and that struggle navigating that? Any thoughts? 239 00:08:40,220 --> 00:08:41,200 Heather, go ahead. 240 00:08:41,865 --> 00:08:44,345 I don't know if it's exactly on topic, 241 00:08:44,345 --> 00:08:44,845 but 242 00:08:45,384 --> 00:08:48,105 I think that's something that and and I'm 243 00:08:48,105 --> 00:08:50,445 pretty self aware as an individual. 244 00:08:50,985 --> 00:08:53,144 But as the wife of one of the 245 00:08:53,144 --> 00:08:54,285 bishopric counselors, 246 00:08:54,929 --> 00:08:57,029 I feel like I'm constantly 247 00:08:57,809 --> 00:08:58,950 aware of 248 00:08:59,409 --> 00:09:01,269 and sharing with my husband 249 00:09:01,809 --> 00:09:03,669 things that I think the congregation 250 00:09:03,970 --> 00:09:04,870 might be observing. 251 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:07,330 Like, I mean, I'm on the stand texting 252 00:09:07,330 --> 00:09:09,545 things like you're mumbling, you need to speak 253 00:09:09,545 --> 00:09:11,144 directly into the mic or I love it. 254 00:09:11,144 --> 00:09:13,305 Yeah. You have a grouchy face and you 255 00:09:13,305 --> 00:09:15,384 need to look more happy and pleasant up 256 00:09:15,384 --> 00:09:17,945 there. And I I think it's part of 257 00:09:17,945 --> 00:09:18,445 what 258 00:09:18,904 --> 00:09:20,845 comes with the calling is this 259 00:09:21,305 --> 00:09:22,925 hyper awareness of 260 00:09:23,370 --> 00:09:25,470 what other people are thinking. 261 00:09:26,009 --> 00:09:29,129 And they also feel it might just be 262 00:09:29,129 --> 00:09:30,269 my ward, but 263 00:09:30,649 --> 00:09:32,649 a lot of people come to me and 264 00:09:32,649 --> 00:09:33,309 my husband 265 00:09:33,929 --> 00:09:35,230 to share their feelings 266 00:09:36,014 --> 00:09:36,514 or 267 00:09:36,894 --> 00:09:39,295 ideas when they don't have confidence to go 268 00:09:39,295 --> 00:09:40,915 directly to the bishop themselves. 269 00:09:41,855 --> 00:09:44,254 Like, I think we may have too many 270 00:09:44,254 --> 00:09:46,654 speakers in conference, and they'll say it to 271 00:09:46,654 --> 00:09:49,615 me hoping that maybe that message gets or 272 00:09:49,615 --> 00:09:52,629 not conference, in sacrament meeting, and hoping that 273 00:09:52,629 --> 00:09:55,450 it gets directly to the right people. But 274 00:09:55,750 --> 00:09:57,269 how do you I don't know if that's 275 00:09:57,269 --> 00:10:00,389 a common experience that others feel, just that 276 00:10:00,389 --> 00:10:01,929 hyper awareness of 277 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:04,809 where people feel like things could improve 278 00:10:05,834 --> 00:10:06,334 and, 279 00:10:06,875 --> 00:10:07,934 somewhat responsibility 280 00:10:08,315 --> 00:10:10,334 that you have to share to help 281 00:10:11,355 --> 00:10:13,674 make sure voices are heard that maybe that's 282 00:10:13,674 --> 00:10:16,014 the way they're choosing to share. 283 00:10:17,034 --> 00:10:19,434 Or maybe it's just an experience for me, 284 00:10:19,434 --> 00:10:20,720 and it isn't 285 00:10:21,259 --> 00:10:23,980 common. Any thoughts or perspective on that that 286 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:25,360 want anybody wants to share? 287 00:10:26,139 --> 00:10:27,279 Erica, go ahead. 288 00:10:28,379 --> 00:10:30,699 I'm a wife of a bishop, and it's 289 00:10:30,699 --> 00:10:31,179 been 290 00:10:31,659 --> 00:10:33,600 it's about two and a half years now. 291 00:10:34,065 --> 00:10:36,544 And at the very beginning, I had I 292 00:10:36,544 --> 00:10:38,144 had a lot of people that would come 293 00:10:38,144 --> 00:10:39,205 to me and 294 00:10:40,304 --> 00:10:42,225 would mention things like, oh, I'd like to 295 00:10:42,225 --> 00:10:43,665 be in this calling, or I'd like to 296 00:10:43,665 --> 00:10:46,625 do this, or, yeah, just things to improve 297 00:10:46,625 --> 00:10:48,085 on. And I would be like, 298 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:50,970 well, you should go let the bishop know. 299 00:10:51,509 --> 00:10:52,009 And 300 00:10:52,710 --> 00:10:54,870 I I had to start doing that to 301 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:55,370 protect 302 00:10:55,830 --> 00:10:58,410 my relationship with my husband because 303 00:10:59,590 --> 00:11:02,195 pretty soon, it will just it just is 304 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:04,855 overcome with talking about church constantly 305 00:11:05,634 --> 00:11:07,955 and callings. And and it's not my place 306 00:11:07,955 --> 00:11:08,455 to, 307 00:11:09,715 --> 00:11:11,815 I think, relay those messages 308 00:11:12,595 --> 00:11:14,855 all the time, maybe sometimes, but 309 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:18,639 I think it just became important that people, 310 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:19,139 if 311 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,679 they have an issue, that they need to 312 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,919 go to the bishop or else just keep 313 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:24,899 it to their self. 314 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:27,879 Yeah. That's a great point that maybe there's 315 00:11:27,879 --> 00:11:29,954 a boundary get to needs to be put 316 00:11:29,954 --> 00:11:31,634 in place there or else to get to 317 00:11:31,714 --> 00:11:34,514 like, suddenly you're the you're the, you know, 318 00:11:34,514 --> 00:11:35,554 backdoor to, 319 00:11:36,115 --> 00:11:38,294 getting a message to the bishop, which isn't 320 00:11:38,754 --> 00:11:41,334 a healthy dynamic for sure. Absolutely. 321 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:43,949 On where on the one side is I 322 00:11:43,949 --> 00:11:46,129 think it like, I think was it Heather? 323 00:11:46,990 --> 00:11:48,909 Somebody was saying just that, you know, just 324 00:11:48,909 --> 00:11:51,230 being that observer, like, being able to sort 325 00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:53,250 of take in that data, and then 326 00:11:53,709 --> 00:11:54,529 maybe that's 327 00:11:54,945 --> 00:11:57,184 leads to a conversation that that's helpful to 328 00:11:57,184 --> 00:11:59,264 may help the bishop be more self aware. 329 00:11:59,264 --> 00:12:01,764 But any other thoughts around that or elsewhere? 330 00:12:03,105 --> 00:12:05,504 See, Victoria, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. I have 331 00:12:05,504 --> 00:12:07,665 people if they can't reach my husband, like, 332 00:12:07,665 --> 00:12:10,269 he's at work, you know, just during regular 333 00:12:10,269 --> 00:12:11,009 work hours, 334 00:12:11,470 --> 00:12:12,909 they call me to find out where he 335 00:12:12,909 --> 00:12:13,970 is. I'm like, well, 336 00:12:14,350 --> 00:12:16,429 he's at work. Or if they think, well, 337 00:12:16,429 --> 00:12:18,429 I thought he'd be with you. No. It's 338 00:12:18,429 --> 00:12:20,750 still 02:00 on a Sunday. He's he's still 339 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:21,409 at church. 340 00:12:22,254 --> 00:12:25,875 Oh, yeah. It's like and and, frankly, honestly, 341 00:12:25,934 --> 00:12:27,554 sometimes, even if he's not, 342 00:12:28,975 --> 00:12:30,815 yeah, I let him still be at work. 343 00:12:30,815 --> 00:12:32,495 I let him still be at church because 344 00:12:32,495 --> 00:12:33,554 he needs a break. 345 00:12:33,934 --> 00:12:35,934 You know? They they get so worn out, 346 00:12:35,934 --> 00:12:38,429 and there's so many there's not necessarily so 347 00:12:38,429 --> 00:12:40,350 many, but there are definitely things they they 348 00:12:40,350 --> 00:12:42,350 cannot and should not share with us. And 349 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:44,589 those are things that are usually pretty heavy 350 00:12:44,589 --> 00:12:45,409 on their heart, 351 00:12:45,949 --> 00:12:47,789 but they can't talk to us, the person 352 00:12:47,789 --> 00:12:50,209 that they talk to about most everything. 353 00:12:51,024 --> 00:12:53,184 And I know sometimes on my husband, that's 354 00:12:53,184 --> 00:12:54,865 hard. The first time that happened, he came 355 00:12:54,865 --> 00:12:55,365 in, 356 00:12:55,745 --> 00:12:57,264 and he just had his dazed look on 357 00:12:57,264 --> 00:12:58,784 his face, and I could tell he had, 358 00:12:58,784 --> 00:13:00,784 sort of speak, been through something. And he's 359 00:13:00,784 --> 00:13:01,284 like, 360 00:13:01,664 --> 00:13:03,684 I can't tell you one thing about it. 361 00:13:04,059 --> 00:13:05,259 You know what I mean? He wanted to 362 00:13:05,259 --> 00:13:07,820 talk. He needed to talk to someone, but 363 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:10,300 he's just like, I cannot tell you anything. 364 00:13:10,300 --> 00:13:12,220 And I said, well, they must just be 365 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:12,720 together. 366 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:15,120 And that's how we went forward. 367 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:15,920 But, 368 00:13:16,779 --> 00:13:17,440 I think 369 00:13:18,004 --> 00:13:19,845 people sometimes almost see us a little bit 370 00:13:19,845 --> 00:13:21,144 too much as one person, 371 00:13:22,164 --> 00:13:23,605 you know, in that way of, well, where 372 00:13:23,605 --> 00:13:25,304 is he? Well, can I? And it's like, 373 00:13:25,524 --> 00:13:27,605 no, I will I'll put up walls if 374 00:13:27,605 --> 00:13:29,205 I need to to protect my husband in 375 00:13:29,205 --> 00:13:31,044 those ways. He's you know, all of our 376 00:13:31,044 --> 00:13:32,105 husbands are available 377 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,920 enough. They they really, really are. And most 378 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,279 of the time, I don't know about any 379 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:38,480 of you, but every time I have had 380 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,399 someone trying to run him down to the 381 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:43,040 earth, it really was not important or even 382 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:43,779 time sensitive. 383 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,399 It was just something they were feeling a 384 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:47,300 whole lot about 385 00:13:47,694 --> 00:13:49,554 and really wanted to get taken care of. 386 00:13:49,934 --> 00:13:51,774 It wasn't urgent in any real way. They 387 00:13:51,774 --> 00:13:53,315 wanted to check it off their list. 388 00:13:53,855 --> 00:13:54,355 And, 389 00:13:55,855 --> 00:13:57,714 I hate doing that. I I hate 390 00:13:58,334 --> 00:14:00,654 I hate having personal boundaries, you know, and 391 00:14:00,654 --> 00:14:02,960 now I have to have them for him, 392 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,360 and then they turn into this entity. He's 393 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,580 not just your husband. 394 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,179 He's not someone at church. He's the bishop, 395 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,179 and there's all these expectations. 396 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:13,519 And, 397 00:14:15,134 --> 00:14:17,535 that's been weird to see that shift in 398 00:14:17,535 --> 00:14:19,154 people to where he's become 399 00:14:19,774 --> 00:14:22,654 this third person, this entity, rather than the 400 00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:24,575 person who has been living in this Lord 401 00:14:24,575 --> 00:14:27,795 since 2008 that people had known and known, 402 00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:30,340 had dinner with, played games with, you know, 403 00:14:30,340 --> 00:14:31,960 but now he's bishop. 404 00:14:32,659 --> 00:14:33,639 That's been weird. 405 00:14:34,019 --> 00:14:34,519 Yeah. 406 00:14:34,899 --> 00:14:36,659 We were kinda warned about it. We kind 407 00:14:36,659 --> 00:14:37,940 of figured that would happen. You know, we 408 00:14:37,940 --> 00:14:39,379 would see it especially when he was already 409 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:41,240 counselor and things shifted a little. 410 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:42,019 But, 411 00:14:43,379 --> 00:14:45,544 you know, we have friends, some he's known 412 00:14:45,544 --> 00:14:47,144 since high school who are like, so are 413 00:14:47,144 --> 00:14:49,325 you bishop calling or are you Bob calling? 414 00:14:50,664 --> 00:14:52,985 And and I understand what they're saying. You 415 00:14:52,985 --> 00:14:54,345 know? I mean, which way do we need 416 00:14:54,345 --> 00:14:55,784 to go with this? And that's fine. And 417 00:14:55,784 --> 00:14:57,565 I always refer to him as bishop anyway. 418 00:14:57,784 --> 00:14:58,284 But 419 00:14:59,129 --> 00:15:01,450 it does kinda it also kinda hurts too 420 00:15:01,450 --> 00:15:03,950 that he's not why can't he be both? 421 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:06,269 Why does there have to be a separation? 422 00:15:07,050 --> 00:15:08,990 He's just a guy filling a calling 423 00:15:09,610 --> 00:15:11,550 just like they are. You know? 424 00:15:12,355 --> 00:15:14,855 Yeah. I think that's really a helpful perspective 425 00:15:15,154 --> 00:15:16,455 for especially new 426 00:15:16,835 --> 00:15:19,315 families called into this role that to understand 427 00:15:19,315 --> 00:15:20,674 that they're you know, these are some things 428 00:15:20,674 --> 00:15:22,355 to talk through and expect and how we're 429 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:23,955 gonna navigate that. And I and I appreciate 430 00:15:23,955 --> 00:15:25,110 your framing of that of, 431 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:27,750 you know, the you become an entity, whether 432 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:29,669 that's the bishop entity or which is part 433 00:15:29,669 --> 00:15:31,990 of you know, it includes the family. That's 434 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:33,529 really helpful. Really helpful. 435 00:15:34,070 --> 00:15:34,970 Anybody else, 436 00:15:35,750 --> 00:15:38,230 have a thought as how you navigate similar 437 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:39,370 dynamics or 438 00:15:39,750 --> 00:15:40,409 go ahead. 439 00:15:41,044 --> 00:15:41,945 Are you Zachary? 440 00:15:42,325 --> 00:15:45,125 I'm Sherry. I my husband is home today, 441 00:15:45,125 --> 00:15:45,365 but, 442 00:15:46,644 --> 00:15:50,084 I I feel, protective of his time a 443 00:15:50,084 --> 00:15:52,084 little bit. And, you know, we're just in 444 00:15:52,084 --> 00:15:53,704 this about over a year, 445 00:15:54,899 --> 00:15:55,399 And 446 00:15:55,779 --> 00:15:57,960 I I always am telling him to delegate 447 00:15:58,019 --> 00:15:58,519 more. 448 00:15:59,059 --> 00:16:01,539 We have four kids, and we're we're really, 449 00:16:01,539 --> 00:16:02,279 really busy. 450 00:16:03,539 --> 00:16:05,860 And I'm I'm just curious if you guys 451 00:16:05,860 --> 00:16:07,159 have ideas on 452 00:16:08,375 --> 00:16:09,815 on how to do that. I mean, some 453 00:16:09,815 --> 00:16:12,134 things, you know, they are the only person 454 00:16:12,134 --> 00:16:14,054 that can do it, but, I felt there 455 00:16:14,054 --> 00:16:14,954 is a lot 456 00:16:15,495 --> 00:16:15,815 that, 457 00:16:16,454 --> 00:16:18,695 can kind of be delegated. Or I'm just 458 00:16:18,695 --> 00:16:21,254 wondering, you know, one friend told us wait 459 00:16:21,254 --> 00:16:22,794 twenty four hours before 460 00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:24,570 replying to things, which, 461 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:26,549 my husband has never done. But, 462 00:16:27,429 --> 00:16:29,590 and also that they're also in charge of 463 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:30,649 the young men's, 464 00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:33,429 you know, program kind of now too is 465 00:16:33,429 --> 00:16:35,370 that that comes with it when there's 466 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:36,410 so much 467 00:16:37,334 --> 00:16:39,574 involvement there. So I don't know. I just 468 00:16:39,815 --> 00:16:40,475 I mean, 469 00:16:40,934 --> 00:16:42,774 I guess, because we're at a very busy 470 00:16:42,774 --> 00:16:44,534 point in our life right now that it 471 00:16:44,534 --> 00:16:46,054 it feels like a lot. So I'm just 472 00:16:46,054 --> 00:16:48,855 wondering if there's ways that, other people have 473 00:16:48,855 --> 00:16:50,875 found to kind of work through that. 474 00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:52,509 Yeah. Great question. 475 00:16:53,129 --> 00:16:54,350 Anybody wanna share? 476 00:16:55,370 --> 00:16:56,509 Erica, go ahead. 477 00:16:57,049 --> 00:17:00,009 We my husband was told about the the 478 00:17:00,009 --> 00:17:02,110 wait twenty four hours to respond. 479 00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:03,710 And 480 00:17:04,775 --> 00:17:07,914 at first, he wasn't doing that, and then 481 00:17:08,534 --> 00:17:11,414 it it was too much because nowadays, it's 482 00:17:11,654 --> 00:17:14,454 everyone has access to Bishop and cell phone 483 00:17:14,454 --> 00:17:17,414 number texting constantly. Like, he gets home from 484 00:17:17,414 --> 00:17:18,554 work, and it was like 485 00:17:19,289 --> 00:17:22,170 he needs another hour just to respond to 486 00:17:22,170 --> 00:17:23,870 all the messages on his phone. 487 00:17:24,570 --> 00:17:26,250 And it got to the point that it 488 00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:28,410 it was too much, and so he he 489 00:17:28,410 --> 00:17:29,549 started doing that. 490 00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:31,549 He would wait twenty four hours 491 00:17:32,075 --> 00:17:32,734 to respond, 492 00:17:33,035 --> 00:17:33,535 and 493 00:17:33,994 --> 00:17:35,214 most everything 494 00:17:35,674 --> 00:17:37,835 worked itself out, and then he wouldn't need 495 00:17:37,835 --> 00:17:38,894 to address anything. 496 00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:41,535 So I highly recommend 497 00:17:41,914 --> 00:17:44,015 the wait twenty four hours. It 498 00:17:44,394 --> 00:17:46,494 it frees up a lot of mental space. 499 00:17:47,819 --> 00:17:48,559 Great advice. 500 00:17:49,019 --> 00:17:50,159 Marlene, go ahead. 501 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:52,559 So I was just gonna say, 502 00:17:53,339 --> 00:17:54,880 my husband has a very 503 00:17:55,659 --> 00:17:58,079 I mean, all all jobs are busy. Right? 504 00:17:58,779 --> 00:18:00,079 But he has a position 505 00:18:00,460 --> 00:18:00,960 where, 506 00:18:01,659 --> 00:18:03,994 he does, like, marketing for a hospital system. 507 00:18:04,934 --> 00:18:06,234 But he's very accessible 508 00:18:06,615 --> 00:18:08,154 to people at work, 509 00:18:08,535 --> 00:18:11,015 but then he's also very accessible to people 510 00:18:11,015 --> 00:18:11,755 at church. 511 00:18:12,375 --> 00:18:14,695 And he's had where people have gotten offended 512 00:18:14,695 --> 00:18:16,215 if he doesn't answer them right away, but 513 00:18:16,215 --> 00:18:17,434 he might be on a deadline 514 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:19,500 at work that 515 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:22,119 is takes has to take priority. You know, 516 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,640 that's his job. He could lose his job 517 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,980 if he doesn't, you know, handle things. But, 518 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,759 I was just gonna mention as far as 519 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:31,319 our situation is we're empty nesters, which is 520 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:31,819 great, 521 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,700 but 522 00:18:34,554 --> 00:18:36,875 very busy in his calling because he's a 523 00:18:36,875 --> 00:18:37,855 YSA bishop. 524 00:18:38,394 --> 00:18:40,794 So we went through five years of family 525 00:18:40,794 --> 00:18:42,794 ward bishop, and then he had an eighteen 526 00:18:42,794 --> 00:18:44,634 month break doing other callings, and then he 527 00:18:44,634 --> 00:18:45,774 was YSA bishop. 528 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:49,700 So altogether, we've done seven years of bishop. 529 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:52,819 So got another year left, hopefully. Yeah. 530 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:54,419 That just, 531 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,460 you know, because in theory, YSA is, 532 00:18:58,319 --> 00:19:00,000 three years instead of five. But, 533 00:19:01,214 --> 00:19:02,115 when he was 534 00:19:02,815 --> 00:19:04,974 put in as YSA bishop, we had gone 535 00:19:04,974 --> 00:19:06,194 to dinner with 536 00:19:06,894 --> 00:19:08,755 a previous bishop and wife. 537 00:19:09,375 --> 00:19:11,134 And I had asked the question, what's the 538 00:19:11,134 --> 00:19:13,295 difference between a family ward bishop and a 539 00:19:13,295 --> 00:19:13,795 YSA, 540 00:19:14,419 --> 00:19:16,259 you know, ward bishop? And he says, well, 541 00:19:16,259 --> 00:19:18,099 it's Chihuahua and a Great Dane are both 542 00:19:18,099 --> 00:19:18,599 dogs. 543 00:19:20,099 --> 00:19:22,900 So, obviously, there there's differences, but, you know, 544 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:24,919 there's some things that are the same. But, 545 00:19:25,619 --> 00:19:27,400 we're kind of in the stage of life 546 00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:28,144 that 547 00:19:28,765 --> 00:19:31,005 even though we're empty nesters, so we're not 548 00:19:31,005 --> 00:19:33,085 having little children that we're having to worry 549 00:19:33,085 --> 00:19:33,585 about. 550 00:19:35,244 --> 00:19:37,805 For when he was wise or when he 551 00:19:37,805 --> 00:19:39,105 was family ward bishop, 552 00:19:39,660 --> 00:19:40,400 his mom, 553 00:19:41,420 --> 00:19:42,240 was a widow 554 00:19:42,619 --> 00:19:44,240 and was very needy. 555 00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:48,380 And he was her comfort zone, and he 556 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:50,539 was and so there was some times that 557 00:19:50,539 --> 00:19:53,825 there was animosity or not animosity, more resentment 558 00:19:54,204 --> 00:19:54,704 sentiment 559 00:19:55,404 --> 00:19:57,345 of the time that he was be spending 560 00:19:57,805 --> 00:19:58,305 bishoping 561 00:19:58,684 --> 00:20:00,464 when it was taken away from her. 562 00:20:00,924 --> 00:20:01,424 And, 563 00:20:03,085 --> 00:20:04,924 his mom has now passed away, and my 564 00:20:04,924 --> 00:20:07,159 parents have both passed away, and 565 00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:09,460 and his dad has passed away. But we 566 00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:11,000 still have elderly 567 00:20:11,539 --> 00:20:14,119 family members, which is an aunt and uncle 568 00:20:14,419 --> 00:20:16,579 that never had children, and so we're kind 569 00:20:16,579 --> 00:20:18,359 of the ones that take care of them. 570 00:20:18,819 --> 00:20:21,079 And so there's always gonna be 571 00:20:22,615 --> 00:20:23,755 times that were 572 00:20:24,375 --> 00:20:24,875 needed 573 00:20:25,255 --> 00:20:26,474 in for our family 574 00:20:27,414 --> 00:20:28,474 outside of church, 575 00:20:28,934 --> 00:20:32,214 and sometimes that's just a tricky thing to 576 00:20:32,214 --> 00:20:33,115 try to navigate. 577 00:20:34,750 --> 00:20:35,250 And, 578 00:20:35,789 --> 00:20:37,710 just a real quick thing as well is 579 00:20:37,710 --> 00:20:38,289 is just, 580 00:20:38,669 --> 00:20:40,769 you know, the saying mama bear. 581 00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:43,230 I've kinda joked and said I'm a wifey 582 00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:43,730 bear 583 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,150 that I I I I get have a 584 00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:47,890 hard time 585 00:20:48,269 --> 00:20:49,490 when people are critical 586 00:20:49,974 --> 00:20:50,794 of my husband 587 00:20:51,414 --> 00:20:51,914 or 588 00:20:52,214 --> 00:20:54,234 that they just don't seem to understand 589 00:20:54,694 --> 00:20:56,474 the challenges that we're facing. 590 00:20:57,014 --> 00:20:57,514 And 591 00:20:58,294 --> 00:21:01,355 when he was released from family ward bishop, 592 00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:02,920 coincidentally, 593 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,779 the neighbors across the street, and we're in 594 00:21:05,779 --> 00:21:07,619 Southern California, so we don't always have, you 595 00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:10,259 know, LDS neighbors, but he ended up becoming 596 00:21:10,259 --> 00:21:11,240 the bishop. And 597 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:13,299 I told them, I said, I'm gonna be 598 00:21:13,299 --> 00:21:16,019 your number one cheerleader because I know know 599 00:21:16,019 --> 00:21:18,355 how hard it is. You know? So it's 600 00:21:18,355 --> 00:21:20,534 just trying to hit that happy medium 601 00:21:21,634 --> 00:21:24,134 of doing our best in our callings or 602 00:21:24,755 --> 00:21:27,474 to help build the kingdom, but also not 603 00:21:27,474 --> 00:21:28,934 neglect our family members. 604 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:31,490 Thank you. Jody. 605 00:21:32,670 --> 00:21:35,309 One thing that we had a member of 606 00:21:35,309 --> 00:21:37,650 our ward that was contacting my husband 607 00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:38,930 very frequently 608 00:21:39,309 --> 00:21:40,529 about things that, 609 00:21:41,549 --> 00:21:42,450 in my opinion, 610 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:43,570 did not 611 00:21:43,934 --> 00:21:46,414 have to be handled by the bishop. It 612 00:21:46,414 --> 00:21:49,694 was something that definitely the elders quorum or 613 00:21:49,694 --> 00:21:52,575 administering brothers should be more involved in. And 614 00:21:52,575 --> 00:21:55,075 I expressed my concern to my husband. And 615 00:21:55,134 --> 00:21:56,654 and just a little bit of background, this 616 00:21:56,654 --> 00:21:58,734 is our second time of him serving as 617 00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:01,609 bishop. We are empty nesters now. But, 618 00:22:02,309 --> 00:22:04,309 anyway, but that doesn't really matter except that 619 00:22:04,309 --> 00:22:06,389 we've learned a whole lot and are smarter 620 00:22:06,389 --> 00:22:08,789 this time. So I expressed my concern to 621 00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:10,970 my husband and said, why don't you maybe 622 00:22:11,845 --> 00:22:14,404 let his ministering brother know a little bit 623 00:22:14,404 --> 00:22:15,924 what's going on and see if you can 624 00:22:15,924 --> 00:22:18,005 hand this off? And so he did. He 625 00:22:18,005 --> 00:22:20,184 contacted the ministering brother and said, 626 00:22:20,644 --> 00:22:22,664 so and so has contacted me 627 00:22:23,365 --> 00:22:24,904 with this particular issue. 628 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:27,179 Would you be willing to, 629 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,399 reach out to him? And he said, you 630 00:22:29,399 --> 00:22:30,619 bet. I'm on it, Bishop. 631 00:22:31,159 --> 00:22:32,539 So then my husband 632 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,440 texted this brother back and said, I've contacted 633 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,519 your mystery brother, and he'll be getting in 634 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:39,224 touch with you. 635 00:22:39,785 --> 00:22:40,924 It was a wonderful 636 00:22:41,224 --> 00:22:44,044 way for my husband to train 637 00:22:44,345 --> 00:22:46,525 this man that legitimately 638 00:22:46,904 --> 00:22:49,304 has need. I mean, he has needs, and 639 00:22:49,304 --> 00:22:49,804 so 640 00:22:50,105 --> 00:22:53,224 it wasn't something that didn't need addressed, but 641 00:22:53,224 --> 00:22:54,664 it didn't need to be done by my 642 00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:57,359 husband. And by handing it off in that 643 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,339 graceful way, 644 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:01,279 instead of just telling him, contact your ministering 645 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:03,279 brother, my husband did it for him and 646 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:05,200 then passed it off, and it's worked really 647 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,700 well. 648 00:23:06,399 --> 00:23:07,380 Thank you, Jody. 649 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,139 Fawn, go ahead. 650 00:23:09,625 --> 00:23:12,025 We're brand new. My husband just got called 651 00:23:12,025 --> 00:23:12,924 two months ago 652 00:23:13,224 --> 00:23:13,724 and 653 00:23:14,664 --> 00:23:15,865 just trying to figure out what is it 654 00:23:15,865 --> 00:23:17,384 that I'm supposed to be doing. Is there 655 00:23:17,384 --> 00:23:19,325 is there something I'm supposed to be doing, 656 00:23:19,704 --> 00:23:21,625 or is it just supporting him? I mean 657 00:23:21,785 --> 00:23:23,944 and that's not a just, but it's is 658 00:23:23,944 --> 00:23:24,184 that 659 00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:26,330 I don't know. I've just been trying to 660 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:28,410 figure out what my my role is in 661 00:23:28,410 --> 00:23:30,029 all this. Any thoughts there? 662 00:23:30,490 --> 00:23:31,470 Victoria, go ahead. 663 00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:33,450 I don't know if you were told this 664 00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:36,009 by the state presidency, but when, my husband 665 00:23:36,009 --> 00:23:38,910 was set apart, nothing. Okay. We were told, 666 00:23:40,644 --> 00:23:42,085 first of all, for him to give me 667 00:23:42,085 --> 00:23:42,744 a blessing, 668 00:23:43,605 --> 00:23:45,924 and I would really highly strongly suggest that 669 00:23:45,924 --> 00:23:48,484 you you have that done. That gave me 670 00:23:48,484 --> 00:23:50,804 some direction on where to go, where to 671 00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:51,304 focus, 672 00:23:52,484 --> 00:23:54,105 what to do with some of my strengths, 673 00:23:54,164 --> 00:23:56,105 what to do about some of my weaknesses, 674 00:23:57,659 --> 00:23:59,659 because this does feel like a calling even 675 00:23:59,659 --> 00:24:00,480 though it isn't. 676 00:24:00,859 --> 00:24:01,839 It really does. 677 00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:04,059 And that helped me quite a bit because 678 00:24:04,059 --> 00:24:05,919 I like just like it gave me something 679 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:08,714 to work with, somewhere somewhere to look at, 680 00:24:08,875 --> 00:24:09,694 something to start 681 00:24:10,234 --> 00:24:12,634 with. And then, we were told, of course, 682 00:24:12,634 --> 00:24:13,134 about 683 00:24:13,674 --> 00:24:14,815 keeping the priorities, 684 00:24:15,674 --> 00:24:17,755 which you probably heard that part of his 685 00:24:17,755 --> 00:24:20,575 relationship with Heavenly Father's relationship with human family, 686 00:24:20,714 --> 00:24:21,214 employment, 687 00:24:21,755 --> 00:24:23,054 and then the calling. 688 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,099 Mhmm. I think that's one. 689 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,720 Yeah. We may know that, but a lot 690 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,119 of the ward members don't. You know? They 691 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,279 they just don't. I we're here in the 692 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,240 South. They are used to pay preachers who 693 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,140 are accessible 694 00:24:37,924 --> 00:24:39,304 for anything and everything 695 00:24:39,765 --> 00:24:40,744 twenty four seven. 696 00:24:41,525 --> 00:24:44,164 They they really don't like that our bishops 697 00:24:44,164 --> 00:24:44,984 have jobs. 698 00:24:47,204 --> 00:24:49,765 And they it's one sister even said that. 699 00:24:49,765 --> 00:24:51,365 I just really wish you didn't have a 700 00:24:51,365 --> 00:24:53,430 job. And she was the one that will 701 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:55,269 call and say, well, where is he? Literally 702 00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:56,630 will ask me where he is. Like, well, 703 00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:58,569 he's, of course, with patients. He's at work. 704 00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:59,430 But, 705 00:25:01,589 --> 00:25:04,150 the twenty four hour wait twenty four hour 706 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:04,650 thing, 707 00:25:05,384 --> 00:25:07,484 that was something my husband had seen 708 00:25:07,945 --> 00:25:09,085 as a counselor, 709 00:25:09,945 --> 00:25:12,605 and I would wholeheartedly recommend that 710 00:25:13,224 --> 00:25:13,724 wholeheartedly. 711 00:25:14,265 --> 00:25:16,345 Because I am seeing a lot of lot 712 00:25:16,345 --> 00:25:19,109 of text messages and calls and Yeah. And 713 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:20,549 that's the thing. I mean, 714 00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:23,569 we get in our our self, right, and 715 00:25:23,569 --> 00:25:25,809 we're kind of we're having our moment, and 716 00:25:25,809 --> 00:25:27,649 so we reach out to someone who feels 717 00:25:27,649 --> 00:25:29,569 safe and we feel we can help us, 718 00:25:29,569 --> 00:25:31,730 and that can be our bishop, right? Good. 719 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:32,230 Great. 720 00:25:32,724 --> 00:25:34,345 But that doesn't make it an emergency, 721 00:25:35,044 --> 00:25:35,704 you know? 722 00:25:36,085 --> 00:25:37,924 And quite often, and especially at two in 723 00:25:37,924 --> 00:25:39,144 the morning, you know, 724 00:25:39,524 --> 00:25:40,504 that's not okay. 725 00:25:41,125 --> 00:25:43,304 And as that time goes on, 726 00:25:43,605 --> 00:25:45,444 we handle it on our own. We really 727 00:25:45,444 --> 00:25:47,579 do. And we come out of it, And 728 00:25:47,579 --> 00:25:49,339 if you maybe remove an appointment at that 729 00:25:49,339 --> 00:25:51,740 point, like morning comes, get ready to cancel 730 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:54,460 that appointment because you've handled it. Even if 731 00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:56,380 you didn't call him, even if you just 732 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:58,220 made an appointment, usually by then, you've kinda 733 00:25:58,220 --> 00:25:59,384 worked yourself through it. 734 00:26:00,585 --> 00:26:02,825 And that has been that has been such 735 00:26:02,825 --> 00:26:04,744 such a help. And besides that, what your 736 00:26:04,744 --> 00:26:05,484 job is, 737 00:26:05,865 --> 00:26:07,785 you've gotta be inspired on what you need, 738 00:26:07,785 --> 00:26:09,884 your ward need, your family needs. 739 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:12,450 I'm very 740 00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:14,990 our previous bishop, I always had lunch with 741 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:16,110 her. We eat what we need a few 742 00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:16,930 times a year. 743 00:26:17,309 --> 00:26:18,750 And so I picked her brain when we 744 00:26:18,750 --> 00:26:19,809 knew this was coming. 745 00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:22,190 But at the same time, we are very 746 00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:23,090 different people, 747 00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:25,090 very different. And 748 00:26:25,714 --> 00:26:26,214 her 749 00:26:26,595 --> 00:26:27,894 husband and mine are 750 00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:29,015 very different. 751 00:26:29,634 --> 00:26:30,695 And so it helped, 752 00:26:31,154 --> 00:26:33,255 but in some ways, it didn't feel like 753 00:26:33,875 --> 00:26:34,375 applicable 754 00:26:35,154 --> 00:26:36,515 at the same time, if you know what 755 00:26:36,515 --> 00:26:38,375 I mean, because we were so very different. 756 00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:41,029 I noticed one person saying you're his fourth 757 00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:43,670 counselor. Our state president said, actually, I'm the 758 00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:44,490 first counselor. 759 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:46,950 And then he has his first counselor, and 760 00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:48,309 then he has his well, he doesn't have 761 00:26:48,309 --> 00:26:50,549 a second counselor. He only has one counselor. 762 00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:52,090 He only only has. But, 763 00:26:54,894 --> 00:26:57,615 don't gossip because people think you know stuff. 764 00:26:57,615 --> 00:26:59,134 You got that's one thing I found out 765 00:26:59,134 --> 00:27:01,535 too. If somebody's just you know, sometimes we 766 00:27:01,535 --> 00:27:02,434 chat about 767 00:27:02,815 --> 00:27:05,615 callings. We're just chatting. Just like people talk 768 00:27:05,615 --> 00:27:07,855 about the weather. Well, we're LDS. We chat 769 00:27:07,855 --> 00:27:10,409 about calling sometimes. Right? People think you know 770 00:27:10,409 --> 00:27:11,950 something when you're bishop's life. 771 00:27:12,569 --> 00:27:15,049 I am very careful about what I say 772 00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:15,549 now 773 00:27:15,849 --> 00:27:18,730 because people think I know something. Or like 774 00:27:18,730 --> 00:27:20,889 the other sister said, I have input in 775 00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:21,389 something, 776 00:27:22,015 --> 00:27:24,255 which if I do or I don't, I'm 777 00:27:24,255 --> 00:27:25,794 not gonna let anybody know. 778 00:27:26,414 --> 00:27:28,515 That's, you know, that's not to be. No. 779 00:27:29,934 --> 00:27:31,454 But I would I would really, really say 780 00:27:31,454 --> 00:27:33,794 get get that blessing, and that'll probably solve 781 00:27:34,335 --> 00:27:36,095 answer most of your questions right there. I 782 00:27:36,095 --> 00:27:38,580 hope that helps. Yeah. That's great. Alvina, did 783 00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:39,400 you have something? 784 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:40,660 I was gonna, 785 00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:43,619 reiterate the blessing getting a blessing from your 786 00:27:43,619 --> 00:27:45,859 husband. I actually got one from the state 787 00:27:45,859 --> 00:27:46,359 president. 788 00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:48,740 He pulled me aside and said that if 789 00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:49,720 I needed anything, 790 00:27:50,525 --> 00:27:51,424 to call him. 791 00:27:51,804 --> 00:27:54,044 Because sometimes my husband has to have his 792 00:27:54,044 --> 00:27:56,125 bishop hat on, and he can't put his 793 00:27:56,125 --> 00:27:58,144 his husband bishop or his husband 794 00:27:58,525 --> 00:28:00,304 hat on in that moment. 795 00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:02,924 So he is may make sure that, you 796 00:28:02,924 --> 00:28:04,144 know, your state president 797 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:06,640 is, available to you. 798 00:28:07,579 --> 00:28:08,079 And 799 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:11,180 this last week has been an interesting Sunday. 800 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:13,839 My husband announced that we are have realigned 801 00:28:14,059 --> 00:28:15,039 our ward boundaries. 802 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:18,000 We've, you know, picked up 60 new families, 803 00:28:18,724 --> 00:28:20,965 and we already had a very high needs 804 00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:23,785 ward, and now we have about 40 more. 805 00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:26,404 So, it's gonna be an interesting week. And 806 00:28:26,404 --> 00:28:28,724 just watching his phone blow up in the 807 00:28:28,724 --> 00:28:30,424 last four days has been, 808 00:28:30,965 --> 00:28:33,625 extremely interesting, especially with the work 809 00:28:34,169 --> 00:28:34,569 and, 810 00:28:35,129 --> 00:28:37,869 trying to organize the reorganization 811 00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:39,710 of of the ward. 812 00:28:40,089 --> 00:28:42,509 And so it's it's been kinda crazy, 813 00:28:43,129 --> 00:28:43,629 and 814 00:28:43,929 --> 00:28:46,889 just remember that heavenly father is always there 815 00:28:46,889 --> 00:28:48,734 for you. Your sick president's there, 816 00:28:49,054 --> 00:28:51,535 and to just spend a lot of time 817 00:28:51,535 --> 00:28:53,375 on your knees. I know that that sounds 818 00:28:53,375 --> 00:28:53,875 trite, 819 00:28:54,414 --> 00:28:54,815 but, 820 00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:56,835 it it it helps 821 00:28:57,134 --> 00:28:57,615 because as, 822 00:28:59,375 --> 00:29:01,694 Emma Smith was told that her greatest calling 823 00:29:01,694 --> 00:29:03,394 was to be in support of her husband. 824 00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:04,390 And, 825 00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:07,029 I I know I lose sight of that 826 00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:09,509 sometimes, especially when I feel like my needs 827 00:29:09,509 --> 00:29:10,570 aren't being met, 828 00:29:11,509 --> 00:29:13,509 that there are other people there for you 829 00:29:13,509 --> 00:29:15,269 if it can't be your husband in that 830 00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:17,744 moment. And I'm so grateful for this. 831 00:29:18,305 --> 00:29:20,144 Thank you for holding the Scion Labs. I 832 00:29:20,144 --> 00:29:21,924 appreciate it so much. Yeah. 833 00:29:22,384 --> 00:29:23,924 Jenny, do you have something to share? 834 00:29:24,625 --> 00:29:26,464 I was just gonna comment a little bit 835 00:29:26,464 --> 00:29:28,565 on the previous question about delegating, 836 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,279 and I hopefully, everyone else will agree with 837 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:34,660 this. I think the 838 00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,140 key thing is that you you have 839 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,480 a good elders quorum president and relief society 840 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,500 president, and that they understand 841 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,779 their callings, 842 00:29:44,535 --> 00:29:47,015 and that they truly are over the adults 843 00:29:47,015 --> 00:29:48,955 of the ward and the bishop is not. 844 00:29:49,414 --> 00:29:50,955 And when they feel empowered 845 00:29:51,575 --> 00:29:53,975 to take on those roles and, 846 00:29:54,535 --> 00:29:56,315 be proactive in their callings, 847 00:29:56,859 --> 00:29:59,099 that removes a lot of the burden off 848 00:29:59,099 --> 00:30:01,659 the husband and then the your the husband, 849 00:30:01,659 --> 00:30:04,220 the bishopric, can focus more on the youth, 850 00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:05,599 which is their new priority. 851 00:30:07,259 --> 00:30:09,615 I will say also that, you know, we 852 00:30:09,615 --> 00:30:12,095 live in Gilbert, Arizona, so we we're like 853 00:30:12,095 --> 00:30:14,755 Utah light, so we have a lot of 854 00:30:14,974 --> 00:30:16,595 people that are willing to help. 855 00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:18,195 And so 856 00:30:18,575 --> 00:30:21,214 we have what he's done with the with 857 00:30:21,214 --> 00:30:22,815 the young men so that he's not just, 858 00:30:22,815 --> 00:30:24,940 like, all of a sudden over he's not 859 00:30:24,940 --> 00:30:26,000 the young men's presidency. 860 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:27,419 They're just, 861 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:29,660 helping to run the youth. They're supposed to 862 00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:31,259 be over the youth, not just the young 863 00:30:31,259 --> 00:30:34,240 men. And so he has just called multiple 864 00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:34,880 advisers 865 00:30:35,355 --> 00:30:38,154 for every single priesthood quorum so that he 866 00:30:38,154 --> 00:30:40,394 and his counselors do not have to be 867 00:30:40,394 --> 00:30:42,554 present. There's at least two other men in 868 00:30:42,554 --> 00:30:43,775 every single quorum 869 00:30:44,234 --> 00:30:45,994 that are there, and they're the ones that 870 00:30:45,994 --> 00:30:46,654 are, like, 871 00:30:47,035 --> 00:30:49,799 planning the meetings and getting you know, training 872 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,960 helping the youth teach the lessons and doing 873 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,120 the day to day things. And so that 874 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,059 alleviates the bishopric to 875 00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:57,900 show up and be present 876 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,440 and be there and totally be there and 877 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,680 not be behind the scenes running the activities 878 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,454 and planning all the stuff like that. So 879 00:31:04,454 --> 00:31:06,234 those are just my two bits of advice 880 00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:08,394 for delegating from a previous, 881 00:31:08,775 --> 00:31:09,275 question. 882 00:31:10,134 --> 00:31:11,974 Thank you. Marlene, did you have something to 883 00:31:11,974 --> 00:31:12,474 share? 884 00:31:13,174 --> 00:31:14,934 I guess this is just for fun about 885 00:31:14,934 --> 00:31:17,034 being brand new and stuff is that 886 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,680 the thing that I thought about when my 887 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,440 husband was called for the first time as 888 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,660 a family ward bishop 889 00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:26,119 is I thought, how am I supposed to 890 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:27,579 follow the previous ward's, 891 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,279 you know, bishop's wife? I mean, she was 892 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:31,980 a scriptorian. She taught seminary, 893 00:31:32,355 --> 00:31:33,974 and she made gourmet desserts, 894 00:31:34,595 --> 00:31:36,595 for bishop's firesides. How am I supposed to 895 00:31:36,595 --> 00:31:37,335 follow that? 896 00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:38,535 And it's like, 897 00:31:39,315 --> 00:31:40,214 at the time, 898 00:31:41,394 --> 00:31:43,634 I'm I'm retired now just because I've had 899 00:31:43,634 --> 00:31:44,134 some 900 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,200 health problems, long COVID, all that junk. But 901 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,900 back then, I was working full time, 902 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,440 and I thought, okay. I'm gonna go to 903 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,359 Costco and buy a bunch of cupcakes because 904 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:54,960 sugar is sugar, and this is the way 905 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,559 the new bishop's wife rolls. Because I'm not 906 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,019 gonna make a gourmet dessert 907 00:31:58,605 --> 00:32:00,845 for this, you know, this this our first 908 00:32:00,845 --> 00:32:01,825 bishop's fireside. 909 00:32:02,204 --> 00:32:04,444 And it's almost kinda like the Lord has 910 00:32:04,444 --> 00:32:05,904 called you and your husband 911 00:32:06,444 --> 00:32:08,845 because he knows your talents for what is 912 00:32:08,845 --> 00:32:09,664 needed now, 913 00:32:10,845 --> 00:32:12,224 and to not be intimidated 914 00:32:12,845 --> 00:32:13,345 by, 915 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,820 you know, that just to trust 916 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,100 that that's what, 917 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,000 the word needs from you now because that's, 918 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,019 you know, the the lord's in charge. 919 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:25,340 It's just 920 00:32:26,664 --> 00:32:27,325 it's interesting 921 00:32:27,945 --> 00:32:29,404 just coming from the perspective 922 00:32:29,785 --> 00:32:30,525 of having 923 00:32:31,144 --> 00:32:33,305 I know I meant talk before, but of 924 00:32:33,305 --> 00:32:35,884 both a family ward and and YSA ward 925 00:32:36,345 --> 00:32:37,085 is, like, 926 00:32:37,545 --> 00:32:39,085 for the first 927 00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:40,765 year and a half, 928 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:43,039 we were the only two people 929 00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,140 over the age of, you know, 30 and 930 00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:47,599 then eventually 35. 931 00:32:48,059 --> 00:32:51,119 So we had, like, no other older adults, 932 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,200 and we felt very alone. 933 00:32:54,619 --> 00:32:56,605 But, I guess, recently, 934 00:32:57,944 --> 00:32:58,764 a bishopric 935 00:32:59,224 --> 00:32:59,724 counselor 936 00:33:00,184 --> 00:33:00,845 can be 937 00:33:01,224 --> 00:33:02,365 an older married, 938 00:33:02,904 --> 00:33:03,404 adult. 939 00:33:03,784 --> 00:33:05,304 So he has that now where he has 940 00:33:05,304 --> 00:33:07,164 one YSA and one, 941 00:33:07,704 --> 00:33:08,605 ultra married. 942 00:33:10,184 --> 00:33:10,684 But 943 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:16,490 I find and maybe, you know, 944 00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:19,509 and maybe this is the same for others 945 00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:21,589 or not, but I just find this calling 946 00:33:21,589 --> 00:33:22,409 very lonely. 947 00:33:23,765 --> 00:33:25,704 It's more so even now. Sorry. 948 00:33:26,565 --> 00:33:27,865 I don't mean to be negative. 949 00:33:28,565 --> 00:33:29,304 It's just, 950 00:33:29,765 --> 00:33:32,244 because we're in Southern California, we have five 951 00:33:32,244 --> 00:33:34,644 stakes of YSA's that are all together in 952 00:33:34,644 --> 00:33:35,384 this ward. 953 00:33:36,005 --> 00:33:37,224 But it's just, 954 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,599 I feel like our social life has taken 955 00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:41,420 a huge hit 956 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,859 because it's like we're constantly going to, 957 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,140 you know, 958 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,660 YSA activities 959 00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:48,779 or, 960 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:49,740 you know, 961 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:50,779 we're just 962 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,220 constantly busy, 963 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:55,474 with, you know, devotionals 964 00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:56,835 and 965 00:33:57,615 --> 00:33:58,515 service projects 966 00:33:58,974 --> 00:33:59,474 and 967 00:34:00,174 --> 00:34:01,474 institute and 968 00:34:01,934 --> 00:34:02,434 FHE. 969 00:34:02,815 --> 00:34:05,535 And it's always like and if we don't 970 00:34:05,535 --> 00:34:08,460 go, we feel that we're letting them down. 971 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,579 So if anybody has the idea about how 972 00:34:11,579 --> 00:34:12,639 to not feel lonely. 973 00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:16,300 Yeah. Well, I appreciate that, Marlene, and that's 974 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:18,460 a big reason why we're we're doing this 975 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:20,219 because, you know, like Mary says in the 976 00:34:20,219 --> 00:34:23,284 comments, that's feeling of loneliness has been overwhelming 977 00:34:23,425 --> 00:34:24,724 for her as well. So, 978 00:34:25,984 --> 00:34:27,664 we're trying to figure out how to carve 979 00:34:27,664 --> 00:34:30,224 out a place in in Zine Lab here 980 00:34:30,224 --> 00:34:32,144 so that, there's less loneliness and you can 981 00:34:32,144 --> 00:34:33,605 relate to more people. So 982 00:34:47,765 --> 00:34:49,925 That concludes this episode of the Leading Saints 983 00:34:49,925 --> 00:34:51,765 podcast. We'd love to hear from you about 984 00:34:51,765 --> 00:34:53,684 your questions or thoughts or comments. Go to 985 00:34:53,684 --> 00:34:55,545 leadingsaints.org/contact 986 00:34:55,684 --> 00:34:58,164 and send us your perspective or questions. If 987 00:34:58,164 --> 00:35:00,005 there's other episodes or topics you'd like to 988 00:35:00,005 --> 00:35:01,844 hear on the Leading Saints podcast, go to 989 00:35:01,844 --> 00:35:03,539 leadingsaints.org/contact 990 00:35:03,699 --> 00:35:06,179 and share with us the information there. And 991 00:35:06,179 --> 00:35:07,940 we would love for you to share this 992 00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:10,340 with any individual you think this would apply 993 00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:12,739 to, especially maybe individuals in your ward council 994 00:35:12,739 --> 00:35:14,920 or other leaders that you may know who 995 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,559 would really appreciate the perspectives that we discussed. 996 00:35:17,985 --> 00:35:19,905 Hey. Thanks for listening to this episode. We're 997 00:35:19,905 --> 00:35:21,345 actually gonna cut it short a little bit. 998 00:35:21,345 --> 00:35:23,105 If you wanna listen to the entirety of 999 00:35:23,105 --> 00:35:25,345 this conversation, head on over to the Leading 1000 00:35:25,345 --> 00:35:27,345 Saints community. You can, find the link in 1001 00:35:27,345 --> 00:35:29,265 the show notes and you can watch the 1002 00:35:29,265 --> 00:35:30,325 extended cut 1003 00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:32,250 there. And I think you'll benefit from it. 1004 00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:33,930 So come join us over at the leading 1005 00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:34,829 saints community. 1006 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,219 It came as a result of the position 1007 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,260 of leadership which was imposed upon us 1008 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,335 by the God of heaven who brought forth 1009 00:36:10,335 --> 00:36:11,315 a restoration 1010 00:36:11,614 --> 00:36:13,875 of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 1011 00:36:14,414 --> 00:36:15,554 And when the declaration 1012 00:36:15,855 --> 00:36:19,135 was made concerning the own and only true 1013 00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:21,534 and living church upon the face of the 1014 00:36:21,534 --> 00:36:22,034 earth, 1015 00:36:22,489 --> 00:36:24,670 we were immediately put in a position 1016 00:36:24,969 --> 00:36:25,789 of loneliness. 1017 00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:27,710 The loneliness of leadership 1018 00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:31,630 from which we cannot shrink nor run away, 1019 00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:35,130 and to which we must face up with 1020 00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:36,589 boldness and courage 1021 00:36:37,405 --> 00:36:38,144 and ability.