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Well, this is a little different but a

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fun episode where I chat with Marjorie Nelson

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Louder, who's become a close friend. Her and

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her husband, Brad Louder, phenomenal

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people. Brad is actually a future guest of

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the Leading Saints podcast whether he likes it

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or not. I'm getting him in here. We're

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gonna talk about some other fun stuff. But

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Marjorie is actually the youngest daughter of president

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Nelson, and her mother was Dansel White Nelson.

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Now we had opportunity to hang out. We,

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are cruise buddies as we call it. We've,

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spoken on different Latter day Saint cruises and

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gotten to know each other, their stories, and

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hearing you just about the the Nelson family

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is inspiring. Obviously, we love President Nelson,

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his faith, his vision, his direction as a

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leader of our church and a living prophet.

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up that, you know, it would be interesting

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Dansel,

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who was a deeply you'll notice by the

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end of this, you will know without a

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doubt how such a deeply faithful

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saint she was. As many of you know,

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her death and passing away came suddenly to

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President Nelson. He told about the story of

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her losing her life suddenly and and breaking

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his heart, obviously losing his his, eternal companion

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and mortality. So I sat down with Marjorie,

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and we just explored the life of Dan

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Salt Nelson,

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who obviously

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engaged with the gospel and our beloved prophet

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in in such unique ways,

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as a partner going through life, raising kids,

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being the wife of a of a surgeon,

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how they balance things. And, we just wanna

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honor her. And many times in our leadership

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the wives of apostles or prophets sometimes fade

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had such a profound influence on those leaders

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and how they lead. And so here's our

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attempt to do that. I hope you enjoy

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this, and we so much

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appreciate the Nelson family and sharing

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their father, grandfather

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with us as a church, as we look

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to him as our prophet. No doubt the

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expense that is on a family

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as they share their their father with the

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world. And so I'm so grateful for Marjorie

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taking this time as we can focus on

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the other half of president Nelson, his first

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wife, Dansel White Nelson.

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mother is written a book, a children's book

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focused on a sweet lullaby that, her mother

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would often sing to her and and the

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other children. And so we'll talk about that

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book as well. So here's my interview with

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Marjorie Nelson Louder.

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Today, I have the opportunity to sit down

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with Marjorie Nelson Louder. How are you, Marjorie?

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me. Yeah. Now we are we're cruise buddies,

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together with our spouses and our, what we

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call our cruise family. Cause, we both have

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the opportunity to be speakers on

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some past cruises and maybe some future cruises,

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but you have another set of cruises coming

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up as well. So how do you feel

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about that? Yes. It's fun. I love meeting

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the people and it's a great, great experience

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for sure to do with my sweet husband.

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Yes. So now your maiden name is Nelson,

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and that's a very well known name in

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our faith tradition because you are the youngest

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daughter of President Nelson? Yes. Nice. And and

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that's nine daughters. Mhmm. And then your little

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brother just below you. Yeah. The caboose. Our

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baby brother. Nice. Russ, who's taller

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than all of us. Nice. Were your parents

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really, like,

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a book called Putting on the Moon that

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is a children's book and it is inspired

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by your mother. And we were chatting on

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the cruise. We thought it would be so

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fun to take maybe an episode on Leading

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Saints and just honor your mom, Dansel White

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Nelson. Right? And

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learn more about her because sometimes, you know,

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how long ago did she pass away?

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She passed away in 02/2005.

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Oh, wow. And so a lot of people

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don't know about the these stalwart wives behind

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the scenes at times, but really there's a

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partnership happening there. So in the book, maybe

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explain the connection with your mother in the

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book that you wrote. Yes. That's based on

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lullaby that my mother used to sing to

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us at night.

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tradition that I loved was she would sing

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to us at night. She had a beautiful

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singing voice

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she had a whole repertoire that we loved,

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but this was one of our favorites and

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was putting on the moon. And so, I

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I'm an artist and I always wanted to

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illustrate a children's book. And so I thought

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for several years that that that song would

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be a fun one to do in a

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book. Now, is this a, like a song

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that she wrote or is it just been

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just was in the family forever? I don't

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think so. But, and my dad couldn't remember

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where she got it from. I asked her

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my cousins on her side, none of their

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parents sing it. So either

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she made it up or

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a song that she learned in her vocal

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lessons,

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in her vocal coaching. Oh, wow. A lot

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of times she had some of the other

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songs that we know came from like Chinese

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did she was she professionally trained in vocal

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performance or what was that background?

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soprano singer

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and she had a full ride scholarship to

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Juilliard. Oh, really? But that she didn't end

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up taking because she ended up marrying my

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dad. Wow. Kathryn And deciding that

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having a family and

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a mother was her full time ambition. Like,

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that's what she wanted to do. She was

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also a school teacher, so

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she taught school for,

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well, some of it was in when she

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was in Salt Lake. So, I don't know

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how many kids she had, so. Yeah. That

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was before I was born. Yeah. That's not

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important. No, I'm just teasing. So, maybe just

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give us a little bit of early background

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as far as where she was born and

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raised and what her growing up years were

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like. She was born and raised in Perry,

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Utah,

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right up by Brigham City, just north of

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Salt Lake. And

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she went to the University of Utah and

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she was in a musical where she met

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my dad and they fell in love and

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it's That's all she wrote. So, I mean,

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is there a story for like, was your

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father in the musical or like how did

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that, what was the interaction like? He had

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a friend or fellow in his, he was

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studying pre med, you know, and he was

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in Madison.

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he had someone trying to talk him into

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he had done like in high school, they

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had done musicals and plays. He has a

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great voice and perfect pitch and so he's

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a good candidate and he was, you know,

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handsome.

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So, his buddy was trying to talk him

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into it and he said, Just come by

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and see what you think about, you know,

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they're having an early rehearsal. They're just getting

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things going. But there are still a few

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piece, you know, people that they need to

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cast. And so, he came and at that

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time, my mom was on the stage

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practicing her part or whatever and he said,

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who's that?

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And they said, that's Stansell White. She's

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doing the female lead and he said, Okay,

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I'll sign up.

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Nice.

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So, probably one of the most important decisions

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of his life. Right? Right. Wow, that's awesome.

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And anything that they've any stories they tell

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about their courtship or anything like that? I

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think I remember

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something about,

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I think he proposed in the pea patch

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in her garden up in Perry. Such a

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romantic. I know. Right?

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It is very romantic, I think. Yeah. And

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yeah,

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they had great friends

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up at the U and had a great

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experience dating.

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Yeah. And then she knew sort of this

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life of, this medical career that she was

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signing up for that time, and that took

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them all over as he was going through

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his education. Right? Right.

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Boston and Minnesota and

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let's see where else. They Washington.

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Yeah. And and then it led to a

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busy life as the wife of a doctor

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and all that. So and did they start

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having kids pretty soon after they got married?

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Or A handful of years Yeah. Later. They

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were in,

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Minnesota

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when my oldest sister was born. Wow. And

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growing up, maybe just jumping to when you

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came on the scene and your early memories

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of your mom, you know, you talk about

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the the bedtime singing and anything else as

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far as what the the characteristics that that

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as you look back with hindsight, like, that

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that stand out about your your mother?

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Well, my mother had the talent of making

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events and holidays and time together really special.

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And I think it was

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really important to her and to my father

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that when,

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you know, to create those good memories

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and she was a master at it and

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creating wonderful traditions that made us all wanna

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be there

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and be together and

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it just really strengthened those bonds of

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family ties and we all just loved being

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together and

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still love just being together with my family.

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Yeah. It's the best. And that's you find

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that that's what you try and do as

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a as a mother and grandmother as well?

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Like, just Yeah. Just gather? Gathering, you know,

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try to make something that's like a little

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recurring special thing that's,

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special to your time together. Yeah. We got

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together once the family started getting bigger

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and we couldn't go to everybody's

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birthday, you know, to their house on their

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birthday because we would have been

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having birthday cake every other night.

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So, they got the idea to have a

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monthly birthday party. And so, then we would

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gather

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monthly and make it a really special time

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and we'd have a cake with all the

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names on it and sing to those people

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and share gifts or whatever

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and

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just do that every month. And the July

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4 was really special and she'd make the

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Olympics.

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Oh, really? Yeah. So, she'd have different events

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and so she Like when you were when

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the Olympics were happening or like a family

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Olympics? No, a family Olympics.

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Yeah. And her family place and,

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you know, different events like, oh, here's the

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hula hoop

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contest and or like a relay race or

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a three legged race or we'd start out

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with a parade. We'd all decorate up our

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bikes and the kids still do all decorate

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up their bikes and then she'd put up,

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you know, on John Philip Sousa and we'd

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ride around

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the little track there to have a little

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parade

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for the July 4.

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And then she'd split us into teams and

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we'd compete in the different

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things and she would just have medals for

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everybody and, you know, treats for participating or

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prizes if you were the fastest one or

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did the longest hula hoop or whatever. And

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then like a Reese's peanut butter cup would

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be like those little ones that are in

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the gold wrapper.

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That's the she had that hot glued onto

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some yarn around your neck. So, that was

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the gold medal or like a peppermint patty

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with the silver

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in it.

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So. Julianne Yeah. Very creative and resourceful. Eliana

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Right, right. And we'd usually do a craft

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and that kind of thing and it was

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just always so fun. And and those traditions

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just have carried on and and makes it

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special because

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we can tell our kids and grandkids now

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about, oh, how, you know, grandmother did this

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and

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she just loved it when we would do

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this part or what. Yeah. So it sounds

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like, I mean, she's just a mother that

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would, I mean, like you said, create these,

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like, these memories, but like an experience for

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the family that we're not just gonna gather,

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but they were gonna do something like Olympics

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or like just the energy was, something that

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kept her. I mean, she was engaged with

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with that, right? Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Or

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or like a family dinner, like a Christmas

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at Christmas time, she would have, you know,

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a few families over at a time and

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she liked to create like themes.

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So, everything would be gingerbread, like her little

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name cards would be have little gingerbread

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men on them and. Wow. Yeah. I know.

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It's just, just fun themes like that. Yeah.

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Yeah. She was just so creative and. Yeah.

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Did she, you know, you would talk about

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her vocal performance background, but is, you know,

379
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you're an artist. Does any of that come

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for your mother then? Or? Yeah. I think

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she had some innate talent. We,

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in fact, the

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year before she passed, we had signed up

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for a watercolor class together. Oh, wow. And

385
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we were getting all into it and for

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one reason or another, we couldn't do it

387
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right then. But

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yeah, she had some really natural talent and

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her mother, we have some paintings that her

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mother did and so. Oh, wow. So it's

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generational thing. I mean, that's cool. That's great.

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She was a great appreciator of art. She

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always taught us to see the beauty in

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everything, whether it was nature or

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art or music. Both my parents loved

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beautiful things,

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music.

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Mhmm. Musicals, we were raised on singing them

399
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from the musicals and Oh, yeah. Sure.

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Being in plays and things like that. That's

401
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awesome. Any early memories, stories as far as

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their, your parents' interactions,

403
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you know, raising a family, especially a family

404
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of 10 kids, right? I mean, that's,

405
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and, and you were, so when you were

406
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born, your oldest sibling was, I mean, what's

407
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the age difference there? So there were only

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ever nine of us at home at once

409
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because,

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my brother was born after my oldest sister

411
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was married, but, but we had all nine

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girls there at once.

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And there's a lot of estrogen in the

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house.

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So maybe explain that dynamic of just not

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only a lot of kids, but a lot

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of girls, right? A lot of people in

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the bathroom getting ready at once, I would

419
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imagine. Right? What anything else that you describe

420
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that and how she worked or, you know,

421
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fit into all that

422
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or shepherd all that? Yeah. Yeah.

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I don't know. A lot of times I

424
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just thought, how did you keep track of

425
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that many people and, you know, in that

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many different stages of life because they would

427
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be from college kids

428
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to young babies. And I remember when

429
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they remember when the prophet came out with

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that we should do family home evenings and

431
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so, my parents

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were always I mean, they

433
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taught us to

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listen to the prophet and that we, you

435
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know, obey and try to follow what the

436
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prophet says and

437
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they follow they led by example and we,

438
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you know, started having family home evening and

439
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some of the college girls,

440
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you know, wouldn't get there until the end

441
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or whatever, but they would know we'd be

442
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doing that and

443
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then we'd be having family prayer, you know.

444
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So at a certain time, if you weren't

445
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there, you would know that you were being

446
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prayed for, you know, or you'd know that

447
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your family was

448
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kneeling around the parents' bed. And

449
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I have a lot of great memories of,

450
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you know, nailing around my parents' bed

451
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for prayer and Yeah.

452
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Love that. Yeah, I bet. And I would

453
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imagine, you know, the daughter of a surgeon,

454
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I mean, is there's some odd hours at

455
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times, right? Or coming and going or middle

456
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of the night calls. I mean, is that

457
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a good way to explain it? Or how

458
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would you explain it? Joan Jones Yeah, I

459
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remember that.

460
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Yeah, he would he would have long days,

461
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you know, at the hospital and and he

462
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just loved, I know he missed that time,

463
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like snuggling the babies and putting them down

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to bed and, you know, reading with us.

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If he was home in time, he, you

466
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know, he would read to us or, you

467
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know, give us all baths

468
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and tuck us in and but if he

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got home and the baby was

470
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sleeping,

471
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you know, he would tiptoe in and

472
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do his little test where he'd lift the

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baby's

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wrist up just a little bit and just

475
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drop it. And if the baby like held

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it up or

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startled, then he would tiptoe back out of

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the room very quietly.

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And if,

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if the hand just dropped, then he knew

481
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he could pick that baby up and snuggle

482
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her.

483
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Oh, that's good. And,

484
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wouldn't risk waking the baby. Yeah. That's awesome.

485
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And I've always wondered, it's like, I mean,

486
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being the, having a father who's a doctor.

487
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I mean, we spend, it seems like every

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few months or at the hospital or an

489
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Instacare or whatever, but was there a lot

490
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of just, you know, bring me some tape

491
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and, some pliers and I gotta, you know,

492
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was there that happening in your home or

493
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how did that work? Yeah. We have several

494
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examples of when he would, he had his

495
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doctor bag in the car, in the trunk

496
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always. And,

497
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so there were times he had to stitch

498
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some people up.

499
00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:14,700
I remember that. But his first

500
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response was to put it to bed. Like,

501
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he he could tell if it was something

502
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serious, obviously,

503
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but

504
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he would tell us to put it to

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bed

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and

507
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Walk it off in other words. See how

508
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it is in the morning. Yeah. Yeah.

509
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Anything else as far as with your mom,

510
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the memories of just like the, the growing

511
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up years?

512
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Because I would imagine since you're, you know,

513
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I'm the youngest of my family. So, you

514
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know, my older siblings give me a bad

515
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time that how I had it easy or,

516
00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:44,720
you know, it's a different experience, isn't it?

517
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Yeah. So, I mean, was it as you

518
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were age aging through your teenage years, did

519
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you, you know, you weren't at a, in

520
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a home of, of all these kids, it

521
00:19:52,414 --> 00:19:53,934
was now just a handful of kids, right?

522
00:19:53,934 --> 00:19:55,454
So it was maybe a little more It

523
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was mostly, yeah.

524
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My, me and my brother,

525
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usually when I got to that age when

526
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I was in high school. And yeah, we'd

527
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come in after a date.

528
00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:08,109
They would make sure that we would check-in,

529
00:20:08,410 --> 00:20:09,309
right? And

530
00:20:09,690 --> 00:20:12,329
so, I would tiptoe around to my mom's

531
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side of the bed and

532
00:20:13,894 --> 00:20:15,335
let her know that I was home. Yeah.

533
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Try to not wake daddy.

534
00:20:18,214 --> 00:20:20,615
Because he probably had to operate in the

535
00:20:20,615 --> 00:20:23,254
morning. Yeah. Yeah. People's lives on the line.

536
00:20:23,254 --> 00:20:27,029
Right. Right. Yeah. So, sometimes I didn't think

537
00:20:27,109 --> 00:20:29,349
it would matter, like if that she would

538
00:20:29,349 --> 00:20:31,509
notice, but if I didn't check-in, she'd wake

539
00:20:31,509 --> 00:20:33,269
up, you know, in an hour or so

540
00:20:33,269 --> 00:20:34,730
and come down and

541
00:20:35,109 --> 00:20:37,509
check that we got home. So that mom

542
00:20:37,509 --> 00:20:39,349
radar is going on. Yeah. I bet you

543
00:20:39,349 --> 00:20:41,349
experienced that later on in life, right? Yeah.

544
00:20:41,349 --> 00:20:41,744
Yeah.

545
00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:55,640
Ballet

546
00:20:55,940 --> 00:20:58,740
or whatever we were enrolled in or driving

547
00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:01,140
us to where we needed to be. And

548
00:21:01,140 --> 00:21:03,619
I remember she did Cub Scouts. She's a

549
00:21:03,619 --> 00:21:05,720
Cub Scout leader for my brother.

550
00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:09,184
And so that was that was always fun

551
00:21:09,184 --> 00:21:11,184
and then I would help her out, you

552
00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:13,345
know, like if we were gonna do a

553
00:21:13,345 --> 00:21:16,005
craft or something, then I would help her

554
00:21:16,065 --> 00:21:19,025
with whatever activity they were doing and so

555
00:21:19,025 --> 00:21:21,700
she was she was great that way. She

556
00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:22,759
had this magic

557
00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,779
of making it feel like at least to

558
00:21:25,779 --> 00:21:27,860
me, I don't know if my sisters would

559
00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:31,140
agree in their experience, but for me, I

560
00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:33,539
looked up to my sisters so much and

561
00:21:33,539 --> 00:21:36,474
my mom somehow made it magical to in

562
00:21:36,474 --> 00:21:36,974
fall

563
00:21:37,434 --> 00:21:39,934
time before we would go school shopping,

564
00:21:40,315 --> 00:21:42,654
we'd shop in each other's closets.

565
00:21:43,274 --> 00:21:45,355
Right? So, I would see what hand me

566
00:21:45,355 --> 00:21:47,034
downs there were and I just thought it

567
00:21:47,034 --> 00:21:49,355
was like the neatest thing if I got-

568
00:21:49,355 --> 00:21:51,294
Oh, nice. Dolores Hahn: to finally wear

569
00:21:51,670 --> 00:21:53,210
what my cool sisters

570
00:21:53,829 --> 00:21:55,130
were wearing, you know.

571
00:21:55,509 --> 00:21:57,930
And so, somehow she made that a magical

572
00:21:58,309 --> 00:22:00,470
thing and something that we looked forward to.

573
00:22:00,470 --> 00:22:02,549
Oh, interesting. Because some kids, I mean, hand

574
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:04,150
me downs can be a negative thing, right?

575
00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:06,274
But if you frame it right. I know.

576
00:22:06,274 --> 00:22:08,115
It's like, I don't know how she, I

577
00:22:08,115 --> 00:22:09,815
don't know how she framed it, but it,

578
00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:10,835
it worked. And,

579
00:22:11,795 --> 00:22:13,894
but I, it helps, you know, to have

580
00:22:14,275 --> 00:22:14,775
awesome

581
00:22:15,154 --> 00:22:15,974
older sisters.

582
00:22:16,434 --> 00:22:19,039
You mentioned your mother being in scouting as

583
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,160
a as a den mother. I don't know

584
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,359
if they called it that back then, but

585
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:24,079
Oh, yeah. A den mother. Any specific callings

586
00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:25,279
that she had in the church that come

587
00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:27,359
to mind or Yeah. I don't remember a

588
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,000
lot of callings in the ward, but she

589
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,500
had

590
00:22:30,884 --> 00:22:33,845
she sang with the Tabernacle Choir for twenty

591
00:22:33,845 --> 00:22:34,345
years.

592
00:22:34,644 --> 00:22:36,904
Twenty years? Yeah. And so,

593
00:22:37,285 --> 00:22:39,945
yeah, my dad was a big supporter of

594
00:22:40,325 --> 00:22:42,724
when she did that and he would get

595
00:22:42,724 --> 00:22:45,509
us ready or my older sisters, he would

596
00:22:45,509 --> 00:22:47,450
help my older sisters get us ready

597
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:48,409
for

598
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:51,109
church and, you know, because he was a

599
00:22:51,109 --> 00:22:51,849
stake president

600
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:53,769
when I was

601
00:22:54,069 --> 00:22:54,569
young.

602
00:22:55,109 --> 00:22:55,609
So,

603
00:22:56,035 --> 00:22:57,394
is that the time when she was in

604
00:22:57,394 --> 00:23:00,295
the Tabernacle Choir? Okay. Yeah. And so

605
00:23:00,674 --> 00:23:03,075
anyway, she sang in the Tabernacle Choir and

606
00:23:03,075 --> 00:23:05,394
he just loved that. And we would sit

607
00:23:05,394 --> 00:23:06,454
and watch the broadcast

608
00:23:06,914 --> 00:23:07,414
and

609
00:23:07,875 --> 00:23:08,855
look for mom.

610
00:23:10,099 --> 00:23:12,839
Wow. So twenty years doing that. Is that

611
00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:14,660
I'm sure the rules have changed or how

612
00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:16,339
they handle that. What she just I was

613
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,259
everybody gets twenty years that she was done?

614
00:23:18,259 --> 00:23:20,339
Or what what the master's done? Well, actually,

615
00:23:20,339 --> 00:23:23,460
her it is twenty years or a certain

616
00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:26,295
age. Okay. And both of those happened in

617
00:23:26,295 --> 00:23:29,174
the same year. However, so that So she

618
00:23:29,174 --> 00:23:31,015
had a time and Yeah. Wow. That's great.

619
00:23:31,015 --> 00:23:32,694
Yeah. That's awesome. She had perfect timing on

620
00:23:32,694 --> 00:23:34,154
that. Yeah. Awesome.

621
00:23:34,535 --> 00:23:36,694
I mean, you've had your own experience singing

622
00:23:36,694 --> 00:23:37,355
in choirs

623
00:23:37,654 --> 00:23:39,480
and that, again, that's sort of a tie

624
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,960
to your to your mother. Right? Yes. I've

625
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,259
enjoyed singing

626
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:45,259
my whole life, and

627
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840
I sing in community choir and then the

628
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,059
Utah Chamber artists.

629
00:23:50,535 --> 00:23:52,695
Also sing soprano. So that's kind of a

630
00:23:52,695 --> 00:23:53,195
fun

631
00:23:53,575 --> 00:23:55,894
connection with her and- Yeah. And your sisters,

632
00:23:55,894 --> 00:23:57,174
do they sing? I've had a couple of

633
00:23:57,174 --> 00:23:59,494
sisters who have sung in the Tabernacle Choir.

634
00:23:59,494 --> 00:24:01,575
Oh, really? And a few of us, have

635
00:24:01,575 --> 00:24:03,894
sung in the Utah Chamber artists. So- Oh,

636
00:24:03,894 --> 00:24:04,394
nice.

637
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:07,669
Yeah. Or other community choirs and word choir.

638
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:09,429
We love we love to sing and I

639
00:24:09,429 --> 00:24:10,250
love singing

640
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:13,529
together. That's another thing my my parents

641
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:17,669
really did for us and made music really

642
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:20,089
special for us and singing together,

643
00:24:20,605 --> 00:24:22,784
especially at Christmas time, it's one of

644
00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:25,804
the favorite things Yeah. That I love to

645
00:24:25,804 --> 00:24:28,524
do. And I have really sweet memories of

646
00:24:28,524 --> 00:24:29,904
singing together even

647
00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:30,865
with

648
00:24:31,244 --> 00:24:33,264
my two sisters who have passed away.

649
00:24:34,509 --> 00:24:36,910
Some of my favorite memories were, you know,

650
00:24:36,910 --> 00:24:38,769
we had a singing session.

651
00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:40,690
I guess it was,

652
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:43,869
like, maybe five months before my sister Emily

653
00:24:43,869 --> 00:24:46,269
passed away where we actually recorded

654
00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:48,769
Oh, wow. Singing together because

655
00:24:49,214 --> 00:24:51,454
we, you know, she was in a fight

656
00:24:51,454 --> 00:24:53,454
for her life and it was a time

657
00:24:53,454 --> 00:24:54,755
when she could sing and

658
00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:55,794
so

659
00:24:56,335 --> 00:24:59,154
we just have loved singing. I love singing

660
00:24:59,214 --> 00:25:01,799
with my family and if we can get

661
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:03,640
the brother to sing with us, that's like

662
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,880
the whole thing that yeah. We love it

663
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,559
when Russ can sing with us. He doesn't

664
00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,819
identify as a singer maybe or

665
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,880
even though he may be carrying out or

666
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,839
He he can sing well. Yeah. He doesn't

667
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,914
sing often. I see. With us anyway. Yeah.

668
00:25:18,454 --> 00:25:20,154
Maybe we should invite him more.

669
00:25:20,934 --> 00:25:22,855
But his wife has a beautiful voice and

670
00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,694
she sings with us. Oh, perfect. Well, that

671
00:25:24,694 --> 00:25:26,234
that works out. That's awesome.

672
00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:28,775
So I'm I'm curious just at home, like,

673
00:25:28,775 --> 00:25:31,259
you know, you you hear stories of your

674
00:25:31,259 --> 00:25:33,519
father who operated on president Kimball.

675
00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:35,339
Do you remember, was that the thing that

676
00:25:35,339 --> 00:25:36,859
he like come home and say, I, Hey,

677
00:25:36,859 --> 00:25:38,779
guess what kids, I I'm operating on the

678
00:25:38,779 --> 00:25:41,339
profit or, obviously that maybe there's certain, you

679
00:25:41,339 --> 00:25:43,740
know, you can't share medical stuff, the HIPAA

680
00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:45,820
rules. Right. But I mean, do you remember

681
00:25:45,820 --> 00:25:46,994
that being a thing or?

682
00:25:47,555 --> 00:25:49,015
I think I do remember

683
00:25:49,394 --> 00:25:52,214
it in the news. I remember more

684
00:25:52,755 --> 00:25:54,914
when we got to meet president and sister

685
00:25:54,914 --> 00:25:55,414
Kimball.

686
00:25:56,194 --> 00:25:58,275
When he was general president of the Sunday

687
00:25:58,275 --> 00:25:58,775
school,

688
00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:01,670
we got to go to a Sunday school

689
00:26:02,369 --> 00:26:02,869
general

690
00:26:03,329 --> 00:26:04,549
board Christmas party

691
00:26:05,170 --> 00:26:08,950
and, we actually drove to the Kimball's home

692
00:26:09,089 --> 00:26:10,930
and picked him up and got to drive

693
00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:11,670
him downtown.

694
00:26:12,130 --> 00:26:14,474
So my parents and I don't know why

695
00:26:14,474 --> 00:26:16,795
I was in the car. I mean, probably

696
00:26:16,795 --> 00:26:19,134
my brother and I were there. Yeah. But,

697
00:26:19,595 --> 00:26:21,035
I mean, that was pretty cool. Were you

698
00:26:21,035 --> 00:26:23,275
even a teenager yet at that point? Yes,

699
00:26:23,275 --> 00:26:25,115
probably. Oh, okay. And so you were in

700
00:26:25,115 --> 00:26:26,474
the car just going to mom and dad

701
00:26:26,474 --> 00:26:28,394
and there's the prophet, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

702
00:26:28,394 --> 00:26:30,390
That was pretty special. Interesting.

703
00:26:30,929 --> 00:26:32,710
How about just going into,

704
00:26:33,569 --> 00:26:35,089
well, let me ask this question first is

705
00:26:35,089 --> 00:26:36,769
I'm just thinking of, you know, obviously we

706
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:38,470
wanna honor your mother

707
00:26:39,089 --> 00:26:40,929
and obviously, I mean, she was incredible and,

708
00:26:40,929 --> 00:26:43,029
and you have so many fond memories and,

709
00:26:43,505 --> 00:26:45,985
you know, but in this Instagram age we

710
00:26:45,985 --> 00:26:46,884
live in where

711
00:26:47,184 --> 00:26:48,485
it's hard not to

712
00:26:49,025 --> 00:26:51,105
compare yourself, you know, especially as a mother

713
00:26:51,105 --> 00:26:52,384
to other mothers, they seem to have it

714
00:26:52,384 --> 00:26:53,985
all figured out. They did it all right.

715
00:26:53,985 --> 00:26:55,825
Yeah. I mean, how would your mom respond

716
00:26:55,825 --> 00:26:57,345
or how how would you respond as far

717
00:26:57,345 --> 00:26:59,980
as if there's women listening feeling like, you

718
00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:00,880
know, I just,

719
00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:02,940
I can't do it like the Nelsons, right?

720
00:27:02,940 --> 00:27:05,579
Like, obviously, I'm sure she had weaknesses and

721
00:27:05,579 --> 00:27:07,440
things like that, but how would you respond?

722
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:09,339
Join the club. It's hard to live up

723
00:27:09,339 --> 00:27:10,480
to my mom. Right.

724
00:27:10,779 --> 00:27:11,279
But

725
00:27:12,775 --> 00:27:13,275
we've

726
00:27:13,894 --> 00:27:15,194
not missed out on

727
00:27:15,575 --> 00:27:16,795
trials and

728
00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:20,795
hard things and everyone's journey looks different.

729
00:27:21,414 --> 00:27:21,914
And

730
00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:24,315
I think that one thing

731
00:27:24,615 --> 00:27:26,555
that she did do well was just

732
00:27:27,009 --> 00:27:29,569
to know that we were loved and the

733
00:27:29,569 --> 00:27:30,069
grandchildren

734
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:31,429
were loved and

735
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:33,269
no matter what

736
00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:35,269
they were doing or

737
00:27:35,809 --> 00:27:37,190
dealing with or

738
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:38,950
doing or not doing,

739
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:42,524
you know, that they were loved and that

740
00:27:42,524 --> 00:27:43,024
they

741
00:27:43,404 --> 00:27:45,265
were loved by the family

742
00:27:45,804 --> 00:27:47,884
and that they were children of God and

743
00:27:47,884 --> 00:27:49,724
until we try to pass that on to

744
00:27:49,724 --> 00:27:50,625
our kids and

745
00:27:51,085 --> 00:27:51,585
man,

746
00:27:51,964 --> 00:27:53,984
you know, my parenting certainly

747
00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:56,640
didn't look the same as hers and

748
00:27:57,259 --> 00:27:58,880
I just think she would say

749
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:01,600
she knew all of her imperfections

750
00:28:02,539 --> 00:28:04,640
and that no one's perfect. And

751
00:28:05,259 --> 00:28:06,000
I have,

752
00:28:06,299 --> 00:28:08,619
you know, great memories of it probably because

753
00:28:08,619 --> 00:28:09,600
I was like

754
00:28:09,904 --> 00:28:11,284
the little sister and

755
00:28:12,704 --> 00:28:14,565
had all the stars in the eyes for

756
00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:16,704
everybody. You know, I just love my family

757
00:28:16,704 --> 00:28:17,204
and

758
00:28:17,505 --> 00:28:19,825
but- And she's really figured out mothering at

759
00:28:19,825 --> 00:28:21,345
that point, right? Yes. With all the other

760
00:28:21,345 --> 00:28:21,845
siblings.

761
00:28:22,224 --> 00:28:24,950
Yes. Yeah. But yeah, even when, you know,

762
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:26,869
even when I was a mother and I

763
00:28:26,869 --> 00:28:27,849
would be having

764
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:31,369
troubles or worries and I would ask her,

765
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:34,710
you know, what her thoughts were, you know,

766
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:37,049
she never was judgmental or

767
00:28:37,414 --> 00:28:39,115
I just feel like she would

768
00:28:39,894 --> 00:28:42,934
say, you know, everyone has their strengths and

769
00:28:42,934 --> 00:28:43,434
everybody

770
00:28:44,054 --> 00:28:46,694
has their weaknesses and we're all just learning

771
00:28:46,694 --> 00:28:49,095
and- Yeah. .And that that's part of the

772
00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:49,595
journey.

773
00:28:49,894 --> 00:28:51,815
And of course, it's not gonna look the

774
00:28:51,815 --> 00:28:52,634
same and

775
00:28:53,069 --> 00:28:54,609
we were far from perfect.

776
00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:57,490
I set up a lot of the fun,

777
00:28:57,789 --> 00:29:01,649
happy memories, but, you know, there's hard things

778
00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:03,569
too when, you know, having

779
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:05,409
she wasn't alive

780
00:29:06,174 --> 00:29:08,974
when I got divorced, but she was alive

781
00:29:08,974 --> 00:29:10,994
when my oldest sister got divorced

782
00:29:11,454 --> 00:29:13,954
and, you know, hard times,

783
00:29:14,255 --> 00:29:15,795
you know, come and not

784
00:29:16,335 --> 00:29:19,474
everything goes easy. And, you know, they had

785
00:29:19,535 --> 00:29:20,275
my sister

786
00:29:20,575 --> 00:29:21,714
pass away from

787
00:29:22,150 --> 00:29:22,650
cancer

788
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:25,509
when she was just quite young. She was

789
00:29:25,509 --> 00:29:26,970
39, my sister. And

790
00:29:27,829 --> 00:29:30,470
my mom had just come through cancer treatment.

791
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:32,650
She had non Hodgkin's lymphoma

792
00:29:33,349 --> 00:29:36,035
and was undergoing chemo at the same time

793
00:29:36,035 --> 00:29:36,154
as my sister. And I know that was

794
00:29:36,154 --> 00:29:36,809
really hard on her that she survived.

795
00:29:51,565 --> 00:29:52,065
Shortcomings.

796
00:29:52,444 --> 00:29:54,690
Sure. And one of my favorite stories that

797
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:56,369
your father told when he was called as

798
00:29:56,369 --> 00:29:57,890
an apostle was that,

799
00:29:58,450 --> 00:30:00,369
when your sisters went into labor when they

800
00:30:00,369 --> 00:30:02,529
found out he was called as apostle, right?

801
00:30:02,529 --> 00:30:04,769
That was my sister, Emily. Oh, okay. Yeah.

802
00:30:04,769 --> 00:30:07,244
Nice. And, but what's your story? What do

803
00:30:07,244 --> 00:30:09,724
you remember finding out that your father had

804
00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:11,024
been called as an apostle?

805
00:30:11,404 --> 00:30:12,845
Kathryn Rubino Well, I happened to be with

806
00:30:12,845 --> 00:30:13,345
them

807
00:30:13,724 --> 00:30:16,365
down at the Tabernacle and my brother and

808
00:30:16,365 --> 00:30:16,865
I

809
00:30:17,325 --> 00:30:19,505
drove down there with him. My mom was

810
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:21,990
had gone down earlier for choir.

811
00:30:22,609 --> 00:30:24,849
So we were there in the tabernacle. So

812
00:30:24,849 --> 00:30:27,009
your mom was in the tabernacle choir. Okay.

813
00:30:27,009 --> 00:30:27,910
Yeah. Interesting.

814
00:30:28,609 --> 00:30:30,150
Yeah. We drove down there

815
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:31,890
with my dad and,

816
00:30:32,529 --> 00:30:34,214
And you were a teenager at this point?

817
00:30:34,454 --> 00:30:36,474
Or? Okay. Yeah. I think I was

818
00:30:36,855 --> 00:30:37,355
18.

819
00:30:38,054 --> 00:30:38,794
So we

820
00:30:39,174 --> 00:30:42,054
were sitting, he was a regional representative at

821
00:30:42,054 --> 00:30:43,575
the time. Which is similar to like an

822
00:30:43,575 --> 00:30:45,674
area authority, right? Area 70.

823
00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,154
Yeah. Serving down in the BYU

824
00:30:48,910 --> 00:30:49,410
area.

825
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:50,450
And

826
00:30:51,069 --> 00:30:51,569
so,

827
00:30:52,109 --> 00:30:53,970
we sat there with him

828
00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:56,670
under the balcony. There were, they were all

829
00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:59,549
sitting together and then, and they just called

830
00:30:59,549 --> 00:31:01,390
his name, like they just read his name

831
00:31:01,390 --> 00:31:03,944
in order, you know? Like they don't say,

832
00:31:04,024 --> 00:31:05,404
Hey, and we're going to announce

833
00:31:05,704 --> 00:31:07,704
two new. Him and then Dallin Oaks. Right?

834
00:31:07,704 --> 00:31:09,144
Right. The new apostles know it was just,

835
00:31:09,144 --> 00:31:11,304
they read through the line and Russell and

836
00:31:11,304 --> 00:31:13,384
Nelson and Dallin H Oaks. So at this

837
00:31:13,384 --> 00:31:15,224
point you had no idea. You're just like,

838
00:31:15,224 --> 00:31:16,365
I'll go into conference

839
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,259
with dad and mom, right?

840
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,000
They didn't give you a heads up or

841
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,500
anything,

842
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,140
No. Wow. My dad's very obedient.

843
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,220
I don't think you

844
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,380
had permission to tell his children.

845
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,320
They could tell my mom, but not the

846
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,625
kids. Wow. And that's when your sister went

847
00:31:32,625 --> 00:31:34,144
into labor because she didn't know either. Right?

848
00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:36,224
Right. None of us knew. Kinda shell shocked

849
00:31:36,224 --> 00:31:36,964
there. Yep.

850
00:31:37,345 --> 00:31:39,024
So then was your dad sitting with you

851
00:31:39,024 --> 00:31:40,304
then? Yeah. And then he went up to

852
00:31:40,304 --> 00:31:42,384
the the stand and there he was. Mhmm.

853
00:31:42,384 --> 00:31:44,544
Rest of your life has changed the rest

854
00:31:44,544 --> 00:31:46,740
of his life at least. Right? Right. Wow.

855
00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:49,320
Wow. And then what do you remember about

856
00:31:49,539 --> 00:31:52,019
your, your mother, like learning that or adjusting

857
00:31:52,019 --> 00:31:53,960
to life now that she's

858
00:31:54,339 --> 00:31:56,359
thrust into this really heavy administrative

859
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,779
life of a traveling husband as an apostle

860
00:31:59,779 --> 00:32:01,884
and, and doing all the apostle things. What

861
00:32:01,884 --> 00:32:03,325
do you remember about your how your mom

862
00:32:03,325 --> 00:32:06,285
adjusted to that? Yeah. I think that, you

863
00:32:06,285 --> 00:32:08,365
know, she still had the two of us

864
00:32:08,365 --> 00:32:10,045
at home. I was a senior in high

865
00:32:10,045 --> 00:32:11,904
school and and my brother was

866
00:32:12,285 --> 00:32:13,965
six and a half years younger than me.

867
00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:14,465
So

868
00:32:14,929 --> 00:32:15,429
sometimes

869
00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:17,890
she would travel with them quite a bit

870
00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:18,390
actually

871
00:32:18,849 --> 00:32:21,029
when they would go when you'd go internationally

872
00:32:21,329 --> 00:32:21,829
or

873
00:32:22,369 --> 00:32:24,470
over a longer period of time.

874
00:32:24,929 --> 00:32:26,625
She would go and so I know

875
00:32:27,025 --> 00:32:28,545
that was an adjustment for her to how

876
00:32:28,545 --> 00:32:30,785
to start speaking and Hilton Oh, yeah. Brenda

877
00:32:30,785 --> 00:32:33,681
You know, preparing talks and I mean, she

878
00:32:33,681 --> 00:32:34,565
is a good

879
00:32:35,505 --> 00:32:38,545
teacher in Relief Society or wherever she was,

880
00:32:38,545 --> 00:32:39,045
but

881
00:32:40,109 --> 00:32:42,450
you know, that was kind of new to

882
00:32:43,069 --> 00:32:45,950
always have, you know, talks to give. Yeah.

883
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:47,950
Is that something that she sort of fretted

884
00:32:47,950 --> 00:32:50,430
over or was nervous about or she just

885
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:52,349
sort of leaned in into? I think she

886
00:32:52,349 --> 00:32:54,029
just kind of leaned in and did it.

887
00:32:54,029 --> 00:32:56,184
She wasn't much of a complainer

888
00:32:56,565 --> 00:32:59,464
or. Yeah. We wouldn't know externally.

889
00:33:00,884 --> 00:33:03,285
I'm much worse at hiding that when I'm

890
00:33:03,285 --> 00:33:04,664
freaking out about something.

891
00:33:05,204 --> 00:33:08,424
My mom is pretty calm demeanor and

892
00:33:09,329 --> 00:33:11,730
but, yeah, she I think that was new

893
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:12,950
for her, but she just

894
00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:13,909
loved,

895
00:33:15,009 --> 00:33:15,829
learning about

896
00:33:16,529 --> 00:33:18,150
different cultures and

897
00:33:19,089 --> 00:33:19,990
meeting people

898
00:33:21,964 --> 00:33:24,525
And, you know, visiting with saints all over

899
00:33:24,525 --> 00:33:26,684
the world. Mhmm. How would you describe your

900
00:33:26,684 --> 00:33:28,445
relationship with her as a as a young

901
00:33:28,445 --> 00:33:30,065
adult or now as an adult?

902
00:33:31,484 --> 00:33:34,200
Oh, she was just great. I just always

903
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,220
loved talking to my mom and

904
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,099
I mean, I don't know how many calls

905
00:33:39,159 --> 00:33:41,179
she had from her children every day,

906
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,279
how much time she had left for anything

907
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:45,000
else, but,

908
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,279
I loved whenever I could get a chance

909
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:50,054
to talk to her and, you know, pick

910
00:33:50,054 --> 00:33:52,214
her brain on this or that or how

911
00:33:52,214 --> 00:33:52,714
to,

912
00:33:53,494 --> 00:33:55,994
you know, what was her opinion on,

913
00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:58,214
you know, like how do you cook this

914
00:33:58,214 --> 00:33:59,274
or how do

915
00:33:59,575 --> 00:34:01,974
you fix that, mend this, you know, type

916
00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:03,755
of thing. She's an excellent seamstress.

917
00:34:04,534 --> 00:34:05,194
And so,

918
00:34:05,539 --> 00:34:08,199
I always loved getting advice from her and

919
00:34:08,579 --> 00:34:10,900
I often have to really draw it out

920
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:12,920
of her. She was not like

921
00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:13,719
overbearing

922
00:34:14,339 --> 00:34:14,839
with

923
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:17,719
my parents were very much hands off once

924
00:34:18,594 --> 00:34:19,335
we were

925
00:34:19,635 --> 00:34:20,614
married and,

926
00:34:20,914 --> 00:34:23,414
you know, building our own life. They were

927
00:34:24,275 --> 00:34:26,994
they just expressed great confidence in us being

928
00:34:26,994 --> 00:34:29,875
able to, oh, I know you'll do. I

929
00:34:29,875 --> 00:34:31,394
know you'll do it right or I know

930
00:34:31,394 --> 00:34:32,454
you'll do it well

931
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,679
because, you know, we tried to get their

932
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:35,820
opinion on something

933
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:37,099
and it's

934
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:39,179
like they were not

935
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,219
like dropping it all the time, like micromanaging

936
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,280
our lives. Yeah, they got you to this

937
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,300
point, you can handle the rest. They're like,

938
00:34:46,954 --> 00:34:49,034
you're intelligent and you're, you know, you can

939
00:34:49,034 --> 00:34:51,434
do this and you've got this. And I

940
00:34:51,434 --> 00:34:52,894
think a lot of just

941
00:34:53,195 --> 00:34:53,695
their

942
00:34:54,155 --> 00:34:55,994
confidence in us gave us a lot of

943
00:34:55,994 --> 00:34:56,494
confidence.

944
00:34:57,195 --> 00:34:59,275
Oh, well maybe I can do it if

945
00:34:59,275 --> 00:35:01,530
they believe in me. Yeah, that's cool. Just

946
00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:03,070
with her temperament in general,

947
00:35:03,450 --> 00:35:05,530
what stories come to mind? Kyla Oh, she

948
00:35:05,530 --> 00:35:06,510
was just so

949
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:07,950
calm and

950
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:10,170
even keeled. It was hard to get her

951
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:11,070
riled up

952
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:12,110
about

953
00:35:13,105 --> 00:35:15,664
mad at anything, but and she was just

954
00:35:15,664 --> 00:35:16,405
so patient

955
00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:18,805
and she just understood we were

956
00:35:19,505 --> 00:35:20,724
children and

957
00:35:21,265 --> 00:35:24,224
little humans and not little adults that were

958
00:35:24,224 --> 00:35:26,630
trying to vex her, you know?

959
00:35:26,929 --> 00:35:28,069
She just was really

960
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:29,670
patient and

961
00:35:30,289 --> 00:35:32,150
she was a really good seamstress when

962
00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:36,150
my sister was getting married and my mom

963
00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:37,109
was

964
00:35:37,574 --> 00:35:38,074
creating,

965
00:35:38,454 --> 00:35:41,355
she was sewing all of the bridesmaid dresses

966
00:35:42,054 --> 00:35:42,554
and

967
00:35:43,255 --> 00:35:44,234
for every wedding,

968
00:35:44,534 --> 00:35:46,454
for all of our weddings. Jonathan Amarilio And

969
00:35:46,454 --> 00:35:48,695
all the sisters were the bridesmaids, so she

970
00:35:48,695 --> 00:35:51,175
had at least the eight dresses to sew,

971
00:35:51,175 --> 00:35:51,675
right?

972
00:35:52,099 --> 00:35:54,760
Yeah. And I remember for this one,

973
00:35:55,219 --> 00:35:57,880
these dresses, they were so pretty. Like, okay,

974
00:35:57,940 --> 00:35:59,159
youngest girl again.

975
00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:01,079
Pretty dresses.

976
00:36:01,699 --> 00:36:03,480
But they had several panels

977
00:36:04,034 --> 00:36:06,355
that got sewn together. So, it was a

978
00:36:06,355 --> 00:36:07,335
long piece

979
00:36:07,635 --> 00:36:09,234
that went from the top to the bottom

980
00:36:09,234 --> 00:36:10,855
of the dress and then it was sewn,

981
00:36:10,914 --> 00:36:12,375
you know, with seams down.

982
00:36:12,835 --> 00:36:13,335
And

983
00:36:13,635 --> 00:36:15,174
I think she had probably

984
00:36:16,355 --> 00:36:17,494
seven of the eight

985
00:36:17,795 --> 00:36:19,014
bridesmaids dresses

986
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:20,170
done

987
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:23,670
and we had gone out somewhere and then

988
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:24,650
we came home

989
00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:27,750
and we came downstairs and my little brother

990
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:30,150
had taken a pair of scissors. He was

991
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:32,570
just little, probably like five or something

992
00:36:34,085 --> 00:36:37,224
And taken scissors and just cut up several

993
00:36:37,284 --> 00:36:39,045
of the panels, like right in the middle

994
00:36:39,045 --> 00:36:40,744
of the panel. Oh my goodness.

995
00:36:41,605 --> 00:36:42,105
And

996
00:36:42,565 --> 00:36:43,944
we all just froze

997
00:36:44,244 --> 00:36:47,364
and my mom just said, oh, look, he

998
00:36:47,364 --> 00:36:48,744
was trying to help.

999
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Oh my god. He's been seeing me, you

1000
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,659
know, cutting the fabric, and

1001
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,199
I'll tell you what, that would not have

1002
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,179
been my reaction for my kids. Right. Yeah.

1003
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,460
So Wow.

1004
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,784
Rest assured. Did she fix the dresses or

1005
00:37:03,784 --> 00:37:05,404
is it like a fashion statement?

1006
00:37:07,144 --> 00:37:09,304
Yeah. I'm sure she fixed it. I'm sure

1007
00:37:09,304 --> 00:37:11,464
she probably had to go get more fabric

1008
00:37:11,464 --> 00:37:13,884
or whatever to to repair it. But,

1009
00:37:14,505 --> 00:37:15,724
yeah, she just was

1010
00:37:16,449 --> 00:37:16,949
flappable.

1011
00:37:18,449 --> 00:37:19,670
That kind of stuff.

1012
00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:22,690
She just understood that, like, she could just

1013
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:24,070
kind of relate how

1014
00:37:24,369 --> 00:37:26,769
children feel. Like she just was really good

1015
00:37:26,769 --> 00:37:27,429
that way.

1016
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:29,590
Very patient. That's awesome.

1017
00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:32,885
So, I mean, your mother was alive around

1018
00:37:33,184 --> 00:37:34,085
twenty years

1019
00:37:34,545 --> 00:37:36,965
of the time your father was an apostle.

1020
00:37:37,344 --> 00:37:38,805
Any other story or thought

1021
00:37:39,184 --> 00:37:41,184
or about her life during that time? I

1022
00:37:41,184 --> 00:37:42,485
just think she enjoyed

1023
00:37:42,945 --> 00:37:43,684
their time

1024
00:37:44,144 --> 00:37:45,364
traveling and

1025
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:47,510
they would bring us home

1026
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:49,190
dolls from

1027
00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:51,429
the different places that they

1028
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:52,630
visited

1029
00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:55,570
or like a doll, they brought home a

1030
00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:56,070
doll

1031
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:59,570
like to display or to show us to

1032
00:37:59,570 --> 00:38:01,269
kind of show us the different

1033
00:38:02,074 --> 00:38:05,194
cultures and things that they were learning and

1034
00:38:05,194 --> 00:38:06,255
seeing and

1035
00:38:06,795 --> 00:38:09,434
then she started putting it together on a

1036
00:38:09,434 --> 00:38:11,295
Christmas tree every Christmas.

1037
00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:14,174
One of the like the tree

1038
00:38:14,889 --> 00:38:16,730
back in the family room would be one

1039
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:18,969
with all of our little ornaments that we

1040
00:38:18,969 --> 00:38:21,769
had made and our pictures and all that

1041
00:38:21,769 --> 00:38:22,269
stuff.

1042
00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:24,409
And then in the front room, we started

1043
00:38:24,409 --> 00:38:25,469
having a tree

1044
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:27,914
that had that she decorated with

1045
00:38:28,394 --> 00:38:30,954
all these dolls from around the world and

1046
00:38:30,954 --> 00:38:32,894
it made it really special. And

1047
00:38:33,515 --> 00:38:34,574
I remember when

1048
00:38:35,195 --> 00:38:37,215
maybe it was after she passed away,

1049
00:38:37,835 --> 00:38:39,675
we were trying to figure out how we

1050
00:38:39,675 --> 00:38:41,775
would distribute these dolls,

1051
00:38:42,339 --> 00:38:44,099
you know, how that was going to happen

1052
00:38:44,099 --> 00:38:45,960
and we had all the granddaughters

1053
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:49,219
choose a doll. Oh, wow. From the, you

1054
00:38:49,219 --> 00:38:50,839
know, collection. And so,

1055
00:38:51,139 --> 00:38:53,319
that was a really special way to

1056
00:38:53,619 --> 00:38:54,920
kind of tie the generations

1057
00:38:55,375 --> 00:38:57,215
together that way too. I'm sure they'll keep

1058
00:38:57,215 --> 00:38:58,355
passing those down.

1059
00:38:58,974 --> 00:39:01,375
Yeah. Yeah. Wow, that's great. Awesome. You know,

1060
00:39:01,375 --> 00:39:03,695
obviously from, I remember your father telling the

1061
00:39:03,695 --> 00:39:06,015
story of your mother passing in general conference,

1062
00:39:06,015 --> 00:39:07,155
and it was very sudden.

1063
00:39:07,469 --> 00:39:09,710
What do you remember just, you know, I'm

1064
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:11,809
just thinking of other families out there who

1065
00:39:11,869 --> 00:39:14,050
lose a loved one or a parent suddenly,

1066
00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:15,389
like, what do you remember as far as

1067
00:39:15,389 --> 00:39:17,630
what pulled you through that? How you process

1068
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:19,150
that more than that? I mean, what comes

1069
00:39:19,150 --> 00:39:20,670
to mind is when you think of her

1070
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:22,449
passing? Yeah, that was,

1071
00:39:23,025 --> 00:39:25,744
oh, that was a hard thing. That was

1072
00:39:25,744 --> 00:39:26,405
a really

1073
00:39:27,025 --> 00:39:29,824
hard time in my life. Because again, she

1074
00:39:29,824 --> 00:39:30,804
was such a big,

1075
00:39:31,264 --> 00:39:32,724
just the heart of our home

1076
00:39:33,264 --> 00:39:35,905
and that was, yeah, it was very sudden.

1077
00:39:35,905 --> 00:39:37,900
So, you you don't get that time for

1078
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:39,180
closure and Yeah.

1079
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:40,160
But

1080
00:39:41,099 --> 00:39:43,500
one thing that was always really comforting was

1081
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:44,000
that

1082
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:44,960
we

1083
00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:47,579
always told each other we love each other.

1084
00:39:47,579 --> 00:39:48,079
Like,

1085
00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:50,755
she knew that we loved her and we

1086
00:39:50,755 --> 00:39:52,775
knew that she loved us. And so

1087
00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:54,215
that wasn't

1088
00:39:54,515 --> 00:39:56,675
just an unspoken like, oh, I wonder how

1089
00:39:56,675 --> 00:39:59,015
she felt about me. So that was helpful.

1090
00:39:59,315 --> 00:40:00,215
But just

1091
00:40:00,914 --> 00:40:01,414
feeling

1092
00:40:01,954 --> 00:40:02,695
the literal

1093
00:40:03,739 --> 00:40:04,239
comforter

1094
00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:06,719
and the prayers of people

1095
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:10,940
buoying us up and lifting us up through

1096
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:12,159
that time that

1097
00:40:13,099 --> 00:40:14,639
was so hard. And

1098
00:40:15,179 --> 00:40:16,480
even though, you know,

1099
00:40:17,094 --> 00:40:17,835
the plan

1100
00:40:18,295 --> 00:40:19,355
of salvation

1101
00:40:19,735 --> 00:40:22,055
and that you're going to see each other

1102
00:40:22,055 --> 00:40:22,555
again,

1103
00:40:23,094 --> 00:40:23,594
that

1104
00:40:24,055 --> 00:40:25,675
is right to mourn.

1105
00:40:25,974 --> 00:40:26,635
You know,

1106
00:40:26,934 --> 00:40:28,315
God told us that,

1107
00:40:28,775 --> 00:40:31,280
that we live together and love so much

1108
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,099
that we mourn and weep for those

1109
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,699
who die and

1110
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,179
it's that's really natural.

1111
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,260
But I just remember feeling

1112
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,460
so much love coming in from other people

1113
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,900
and their appreciation

1114
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:45,940
and their

1115
00:40:46,554 --> 00:40:47,695
hearing people's

1116
00:40:48,635 --> 00:40:49,135
stories

1117
00:40:49,994 --> 00:40:52,875
of their experience with my mom. And even

1118
00:40:52,875 --> 00:40:54,494
to this day, anybody who

1119
00:40:54,875 --> 00:40:56,875
knew her, you know, anybody who says, Oh,

1120
00:40:56,875 --> 00:40:58,715
I know your mother and we did this

1121
00:40:58,715 --> 00:41:00,715
and this and I just love, you know,

1122
00:41:00,715 --> 00:41:01,215
hearing

1123
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,579
other people's

1124
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,300
experience and that other people remember

1125
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:07,359
her, you know? So, I think a lot

1126
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:08,420
of that is

1127
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,780
helpful when

1128
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:12,960
you're going through those that lost time is

1129
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,699
to connect with people's stories.

1130
00:41:16,155 --> 00:41:17,835
Yeah. You know? Yeah, I think that's a

1131
00:41:17,835 --> 00:41:20,394
powerful principle of what an honor it is

1132
00:41:20,394 --> 00:41:22,715
to, you know, sometimes it's hard when somebody

1133
00:41:22,715 --> 00:41:24,875
lose them, especially so suddenly, what do I

1134
00:41:24,875 --> 00:41:26,074
say? Do I, you know, what if I

1135
00:41:26,074 --> 00:41:27,855
say the wrong thing? But to just share

1136
00:41:27,994 --> 00:41:30,335
those moments of how they impacted

1137
00:41:30,809 --> 00:41:32,650
your life, you know, that as an individual

1138
00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:34,329
and that will mean a lot for, for

1139
00:41:34,329 --> 00:41:37,070
the family. Yeah. They hear that. Because you

1140
00:41:37,369 --> 00:41:39,610
learn how they interacted with other people and

1141
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:42,329
how, you know, what they did or their

1142
00:41:42,329 --> 00:41:45,309
qualities that were special to other people. Yeah.

1143
00:41:45,515 --> 00:41:46,175
That's powerful.

1144
00:41:46,474 --> 00:41:48,875
Great. Well, let's I guess as far as

1145
00:41:48,875 --> 00:41:50,635
wrapping up the the book that you put

1146
00:41:50,635 --> 00:41:52,715
together to, you know, really is to honor

1147
00:41:52,715 --> 00:41:54,555
your mother's putting on the moon, and if

1148
00:41:54,555 --> 00:41:56,074
people wanna check it out or get it,

1149
00:41:56,074 --> 00:41:57,994
is there a certain place you would send

1150
00:41:57,994 --> 00:42:00,820
them? Or? Well, there it's available at

1151
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:02,579
a lot of the Deseret books,

1152
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,579
but also

1153
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:06,099
on my website,

1154
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,099
marjorielouder.com.

1155
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:09,840
And, you know, if you want me to

1156
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,244
sign in or whatever Yeah. Order it there

1157
00:42:12,244 --> 00:42:14,344
and I can sign up for you. Awesome.

1158
00:42:14,805 --> 00:42:16,805
Perfect. Now the the cool thing about the

1159
00:42:16,805 --> 00:42:18,885
book that definitely people should check out is

1160
00:42:18,885 --> 00:42:20,724
on the the very back or on the

1161
00:42:20,724 --> 00:42:23,605
last page. Right? There is a QR code

1162
00:42:23,605 --> 00:42:24,824
and maybe explain

1163
00:42:25,125 --> 00:42:26,485
how that works or what what it is

1164
00:42:26,485 --> 00:42:27,989
or or why you have a QR code

1165
00:42:27,989 --> 00:42:29,349
in the back. Yeah. Well, why have a

1166
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:30,170
QR code?

1167
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:33,190
That stemmed from earlier on when I was

1168
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:34,010
going to do

1169
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:36,230
the first time around when I was going

1170
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:38,329
to try to illustrate this book

1171
00:42:39,054 --> 00:42:40,655
and try to make it come, I was

1172
00:42:40,655 --> 00:42:43,295
going to put a DVD, no, what did

1173
00:42:43,295 --> 00:42:45,474
they used to be called? CDs. Oh, CDs?

1174
00:42:46,815 --> 00:42:48,655
Back in the day. Yeah. Julian Way back

1175
00:42:48,655 --> 00:42:50,195
when the music CD

1176
00:42:50,974 --> 00:42:52,195
of the song,

1177
00:42:52,699 --> 00:42:54,699
right, I was gonna put it in a

1178
00:42:54,699 --> 00:42:56,940
sleeve in the back of the book. And

1179
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:58,699
so then when I decided to do a

1180
00:42:58,699 --> 00:43:01,199
board book and by the time I actually

1181
00:43:02,059 --> 00:43:02,960
created it,

1182
00:43:03,659 --> 00:43:06,445
then QR codes were a thing and we

1183
00:43:06,445 --> 00:43:09,164
can scan a QR code and you can

1184
00:43:09,164 --> 00:43:11,425
hear my mom actually singing

1185
00:43:11,885 --> 00:43:13,644
the song. That's awesome. Julianne Holt Lunstad: thanks

1186
00:43:13,644 --> 00:43:16,364
to my sister Brenda who one year for

1187
00:43:16,364 --> 00:43:16,864
Christmas

1188
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:20,050
had my mom sing a bunch of her

1189
00:43:20,110 --> 00:43:21,410
like the repertoire

1190
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:22,849
and also,

1191
00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:25,650
a bunch of primary songs

1192
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:28,510
and recorded it for us and gave it

1193
00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:30,525
to us as a gift for Christmas. And

1194
00:43:30,525 --> 00:43:32,364
now that's just priceless. And so it's such

1195
00:43:32,364 --> 00:43:35,085
a treasure. And and that's another note too

1196
00:43:35,085 --> 00:43:35,585
to

1197
00:43:36,204 --> 00:43:38,625
if you have those special kind of traditions

1198
00:43:38,684 --> 00:43:39,184
and

1199
00:43:39,484 --> 00:43:41,184
things that you share together

1200
00:43:41,644 --> 00:43:43,429
to record them or

1201
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:45,650
to to save them and what a meaningful

1202
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:47,569
gift that was for us. And that that

1203
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:48,469
just keeps giving

1204
00:43:48,769 --> 00:43:49,670
for the generations.

1205
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:51,889
Yeah. I think we mentioned earlier, you you

1206
00:43:51,889 --> 00:43:54,530
illustrated and these are all painted, right? All

1207
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:56,369
the illustrations that you did. So you didn't

1208
00:43:56,369 --> 00:43:58,755
only yeah. So, I mean, what was that

1209
00:43:58,755 --> 00:43:59,574
experience like?

1210
00:43:59,954 --> 00:44:02,214
It was fun. It was really fun

1211
00:44:02,675 --> 00:44:04,675
and took me a long time. Yeah. And

1212
00:44:04,675 --> 00:44:06,755
most of the students slow. Yeah. Well I'm

1213
00:44:06,755 --> 00:44:07,734
a slow painter,

1214
00:44:08,194 --> 00:44:10,594
but it was really fun, very joyful to

1215
00:44:10,594 --> 00:44:12,114
do it as well. That's awesome. A lot

1216
00:44:12,114 --> 00:44:13,670
of fun. Well, what a wonderful

1217
00:44:14,130 --> 00:44:17,349
way to honor your mother, Dansel White Nelson.

1218
00:44:17,889 --> 00:44:19,889
Anything else we miss? Story concept? We do

1219
00:44:19,889 --> 00:44:22,449
pretty good. Thanks for a chance to chat

1220
00:44:22,449 --> 00:44:23,269
about it.

1221
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:25,489
Yeah. Do you wanna sing it? Or are

1222
00:44:25,489 --> 00:44:27,010
you not comfortable with that right now? Or

1223
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:28,724
what do you think? Sure. You know, So

1224
00:44:28,724 --> 00:44:31,684
you'll, you'll sing the just probably sounding just

1225
00:44:31,684 --> 00:44:33,204
like your mother then. Right. And we'll end

1226
00:44:33,204 --> 00:44:35,285
with that. So I call it pudding on

1227
00:44:35,285 --> 00:44:37,445
the moon because you'll get it. It's rice

1228
00:44:37,445 --> 00:44:38,505
pudding. Okay.

1229
00:44:39,765 --> 00:44:41,385
Not like pudding on the Ritz.

1230
00:44:41,765 --> 00:44:43,365
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1231
00:44:43,365 --> 00:44:43,865
Okay.

1232
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:47,030
There was an old woman who lived in

1233
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:47,690
the moon.

1234
00:44:48,070 --> 00:44:50,789
She baked a rice pudding but cut it

1235
00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:51,610
too soon.

1236
00:44:51,989 --> 00:44:54,630
Because it was not done, she gave it

1237
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:55,289
a throw.

1238
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:58,390
It came to our planet and we call

1239
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:59,289
it snow.

1240
00:45:00,005 --> 00:45:02,485
When the little boy saw what his mother

1241
00:45:02,485 --> 00:45:03,304
had done,

1242
00:45:03,925 --> 00:45:06,324
he made such a frown that it clouded

1243
00:45:06,324 --> 00:45:06,985
the sun.

1244
00:45:07,765 --> 00:45:09,465
He lost his dear pudding,

1245
00:45:09,844 --> 00:45:11,385
he cried all in vain.

1246
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,880
His tears fell in torrents and we call

1247
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,860
it rain.

1248
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,280
When the man in the moon who had

1249
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,500
been off to town

1250
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,420
saw his boy crying, caused him to frown.

1251
00:45:25,244 --> 00:45:26,944
He gave him some candy

1252
00:45:27,404 --> 00:45:29,105
and told him to dine.

1253
00:45:29,804 --> 00:45:33,184
Now everyone was happy and we call it

1254
00:45:33,244 --> 00:45:33,744
sunshine.

1255
00:45:43,269 --> 00:45:46,070
And that concludes this throwback episode of the

1256
00:45:46,070 --> 00:45:47,369
Leading Saints podcast.

1257
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:50,390
The end. That's it for this Leading Saints

1258
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:52,505
episode. I encourage you to check out some

1259
00:45:52,505 --> 00:45:54,585
of the most popular episodes of the podcast

1260
00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:56,265
that we list at the bottom of the

1261
00:45:56,265 --> 00:45:58,265
show notes. If you haven't listened to all

1262
00:45:58,265 --> 00:45:59,805
of those, do so now.

1263
00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:10,630
It came as a result of the position

1264
00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:13,589
of leadership which was imposed upon us

1265
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:16,849
by the God of heaven who brought forth

1266
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:17,670
a restoration

1267
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:20,465
of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

1268
00:46:20,765 --> 00:46:21,985
And when the declaration

1269
00:46:22,285 --> 00:46:25,644
was made concerning the own and only true

1270
00:46:25,644 --> 00:46:27,885
and living church upon the face of the

1271
00:46:27,885 --> 00:46:28,385
earth,

1272
00:46:28,845 --> 00:46:31,585
we were immediately put in a position of

1273
00:46:31,644 --> 00:46:32,144
loneliness.

1274
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:34,179
The loneliness of leadership

1275
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:38,019
from which we cannot shrink nor run away,

1276
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,519
and to which we must face up with

1277
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:43,059
boldness and courage

1278
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:44,579
and ability.