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We hope 14 00:00:33,629 --> 00:00:35,629 you will dive into the archives and visit 15 00:00:35,629 --> 00:00:36,750 leadingsaints.org 16 00:00:36,750 --> 00:00:38,750 to find out what are the top most 17 00:00:38,750 --> 00:00:40,625 listened to episodes on the podcast. 18 00:00:41,085 --> 00:00:43,024 Welcome. You're gonna love it. 19 00:00:47,484 --> 00:00:50,204 Hey, you guys. Some remarkable things are happening 20 00:00:50,204 --> 00:00:52,364 over at Zion Lab. Now what is Zion 21 00:00:52,364 --> 00:00:53,744 Lab? This is the online 22 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:55,299 leading saints community 23 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:56,659 where we are 24 00:00:57,039 --> 00:00:59,359 bringing the world together of latter day saints 25 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,100 to talk about different topics, share insights, 26 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,460 ask questions. 27 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,400 This is the gathering place. So think of 28 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,819 it as a think tank for Zion where 29 00:01:08,834 --> 00:01:10,674 we don't just create content through the Leading 30 00:01:10,674 --> 00:01:13,394 Saints podcast, but we also discuss content, share 31 00:01:13,394 --> 00:01:16,194 best practices and ideas. And we had a 32 00:01:16,194 --> 00:01:18,834 live stream there all about delegation, but not 33 00:01:18,834 --> 00:01:20,215 just general delegation, 34 00:01:20,674 --> 00:01:21,840 delegation in the context 35 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:23,299 of bishoprics 36 00:01:23,679 --> 00:01:24,819 and youth leaders. 37 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,439 And so I wanna share with you a 38 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:28,819 portion of this, 39 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:30,099 conversation 40 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:33,439 where we talked about this give and take 41 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:34,579 and the relationship 42 00:01:35,039 --> 00:01:35,939 between the bishopric, 43 00:01:36,295 --> 00:01:38,855 you know, obviously running the, the young men 44 00:01:38,855 --> 00:01:41,334 organization in their ward, but also with the 45 00:01:41,334 --> 00:01:44,314 young women's presidency and parents involved and 46 00:01:44,615 --> 00:01:46,775 advisors involved. And how does this all get 47 00:01:46,775 --> 00:01:49,355 done and what are some frustrations that bishops 48 00:01:49,619 --> 00:01:52,259 are experiencing or everybody involved is experiencing, and 49 00:01:52,259 --> 00:01:54,019 how can we get through this to effectively 50 00:01:54,019 --> 00:01:54,519 delegate 51 00:01:54,899 --> 00:01:57,239 and, just make the youth program 52 00:01:57,700 --> 00:01:59,459 be such a blessing for the youth? And 53 00:01:59,459 --> 00:02:01,299 so here's a part of that conversation. If 54 00:02:01,299 --> 00:02:03,060 you want the full conversation, you can come 55 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:05,765 over to Zyon Lab and listen to the 56 00:02:05,765 --> 00:02:08,245 entire conversation there. So let's jump in. Here 57 00:02:08,245 --> 00:02:08,824 we go. 58 00:02:18,490 --> 00:02:21,370 I think one unspoken dynamic that happens with 59 00:02:21,370 --> 00:02:22,750 being Bishop is 60 00:02:23,129 --> 00:02:25,129 that you are like the figurehead of the 61 00:02:25,129 --> 00:02:27,930 ward. Right? And so if something's on fire 62 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:30,569 or burns down, you know, metaphorically speaking, or 63 00:02:30,569 --> 00:02:32,650 a program doesn't work, or an activity falls 64 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:35,534 flat, it's easy for bishops to see that 65 00:02:35,534 --> 00:02:37,775 as sort of a, a report card, right? 66 00:02:37,775 --> 00:02:39,935 Like obviously you don't have it together. Like 67 00:02:39,935 --> 00:02:41,155 we put it on us 68 00:02:41,534 --> 00:02:43,854 and that creates some more tension or some 69 00:02:43,854 --> 00:02:45,694 more angst when we're in the middle of 70 00:02:45,694 --> 00:02:47,860 it, when we are delegating, like, well, I 71 00:02:47,860 --> 00:02:49,620 could hand this off. However 72 00:02:49,939 --> 00:02:51,939 and what if it doesn't work and youth 73 00:02:51,939 --> 00:02:53,939 are so important? And, you know, then we 74 00:02:53,939 --> 00:02:56,260 go even more macro level of, like, what 75 00:02:56,260 --> 00:02:57,700 if this means they won't go on missions 76 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:59,219 or if this means they won't marry a 77 00:02:59,219 --> 00:02:59,719 temple? 78 00:03:00,194 --> 00:03:03,395 And so just that tension builds a lot 79 00:03:03,395 --> 00:03:05,395 more. But any other thoughts? Anybody else, raise 80 00:03:05,395 --> 00:03:07,974 your hand, wanna contribute? There's a great conversation 81 00:03:08,115 --> 00:03:10,034 that I can't keep up with, which is 82 00:03:10,034 --> 00:03:12,354 fine in the chat. So keep it going 83 00:03:12,354 --> 00:03:14,300 there, and there's great ways to contribute there. 84 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:16,060 And if anybody sees a great point jump 85 00:03:16,060 --> 00:03:17,900 off, feel free to raise your hand and 86 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:20,139 share it. So anybody else who just, again, 87 00:03:20,139 --> 00:03:21,740 not that you we're not not that you 88 00:03:21,740 --> 00:03:23,020 have the answer to it, but how would 89 00:03:23,020 --> 00:03:24,960 you articulate this more? How are you feeling? 90 00:03:25,284 --> 00:03:27,365 You know, I'm just reflecting kind of on 91 00:03:27,365 --> 00:03:29,604 my on my own questions a little bit 92 00:03:29,604 --> 00:03:30,104 and, 93 00:03:30,485 --> 00:03:32,745 as as we talk and wondering how much 94 00:03:32,965 --> 00:03:34,405 how much do we set a vision for 95 00:03:34,405 --> 00:03:36,085 people when we call them? I think sometimes, 96 00:03:36,085 --> 00:03:37,444 and I I think I'm guilty of this, 97 00:03:37,444 --> 00:03:39,420 we focus on the to dos. Hey, here's 98 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:40,300 what you need. You need to show up 99 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:42,060 on this day, do these tasks, get this 100 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:43,900 done, read the handbook. But how much do 101 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:45,420 you give people a sense of their vision 102 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:47,260 and what they can do and give them 103 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:49,420 permission? And I don't know that I do 104 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:50,860 that as much as I think that I 105 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:53,264 do. I think that I I'm doing that, 106 00:03:53,264 --> 00:03:55,585 but I think if you videotaped me, you 107 00:03:55,585 --> 00:03:58,224 probably find that I'm expecting people to do 108 00:03:58,224 --> 00:04:00,384 that and I don't ever or let my 109 00:04:00,384 --> 00:04:02,465 counselors, right, or teach my counselors. This is 110 00:04:02,465 --> 00:04:04,139 how you need to extend the call. Right? 111 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:06,379 So you have this not only just, hey, 112 00:04:06,379 --> 00:04:08,139 show up and do these tasks and, hey, 113 00:04:08,139 --> 00:04:10,620 help what's, you know, everybody pitch in, but, 114 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:11,840 like, hey, you can have 115 00:04:12,219 --> 00:04:14,319 spiritual power in the work 116 00:04:14,699 --> 00:04:15,199 and 117 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:17,524 don't limit yourself. I don't know. Those are 118 00:04:17,524 --> 00:04:19,285 just some of my my thoughts. No. That 119 00:04:19,285 --> 00:04:21,605 is, I think, important to mention of, like, 120 00:04:21,605 --> 00:04:23,764 what expectations are we setting? Because maybe you 121 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:25,845 extend a calling to, you know, a priest 122 00:04:25,845 --> 00:04:28,404 corpsman adviser and in the reminder, like, oh, 123 00:04:28,404 --> 00:04:30,449 cool. That'll be fun to teach the priest, 124 00:04:30,610 --> 00:04:32,610 you know, once a month. But in your 125 00:04:32,610 --> 00:04:34,529 mind, you're thinking, we need you here every 126 00:04:34,529 --> 00:04:37,250 Wednesday showing up helping plan activities. Right? And 127 00:04:37,250 --> 00:04:39,810 so sometimes we have to be you know, 128 00:04:39,810 --> 00:04:40,310 overemphasize 129 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:42,770 the expectation and what this means, what we're 130 00:04:42,770 --> 00:04:45,524 actually asking you to do. So, Sean. 131 00:04:45,904 --> 00:04:47,845 Yeah. I was just thinking about that comment 132 00:04:48,064 --> 00:04:48,724 and then 133 00:04:49,264 --> 00:04:51,425 thinking about something I'm trying right now. And 134 00:04:51,425 --> 00:04:53,584 so with all the young men advisers that 135 00:04:53,584 --> 00:04:54,564 we do have, 136 00:04:55,185 --> 00:04:56,164 trying to implement 137 00:04:57,020 --> 00:04:58,000 what I've done 138 00:04:58,300 --> 00:04:59,900 well, hopefully, the savior has taught us to 139 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:01,819 do, which is to meet people where they're 140 00:05:01,819 --> 00:05:04,540 at. Mhmm. And so for, you know, for 141 00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:06,779 example, like, if we're worried about someone or 142 00:05:06,779 --> 00:05:08,460 we're trying to help someone, like, it's usually 143 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:09,420 they come in and they and they you 144 00:05:09,420 --> 00:05:10,875 just talk to them. Like, when we've had 145 00:05:10,875 --> 00:05:13,354 a question about someone as a bishopric, like, 146 00:05:13,354 --> 00:05:15,354 oh, I wonder, like, why they are doing 147 00:05:15,354 --> 00:05:16,414 this thing or, 148 00:05:16,714 --> 00:05:18,334 you know, would they do this thing? 149 00:05:18,794 --> 00:05:20,394 And we think we have an answer and 150 00:05:20,394 --> 00:05:22,329 then it's usually just like, well, let's let's 151 00:05:22,329 --> 00:05:23,689 just talk to them, right? Like, we have 152 00:05:23,689 --> 00:05:25,610 to have their story. And so because everyone 153 00:05:25,610 --> 00:05:27,529 has a story that's one of the biggest 154 00:05:27,529 --> 00:05:29,449 lessons I've learned as a bishop is that 155 00:05:29,449 --> 00:05:31,370 we just don't know until you just talk 156 00:05:31,370 --> 00:05:33,629 to them. And so I'm trying to invite 157 00:05:33,850 --> 00:05:36,375 all of my young men advisors in just 158 00:05:36,375 --> 00:05:38,134 for a one on one like quick chat. 159 00:05:38,134 --> 00:05:39,574 Hey, how are you doing? How are things 160 00:05:39,574 --> 00:05:41,495 going? Type thing. And so I've done that 161 00:05:41,495 --> 00:05:43,735 so far with ONE and ONE didn't show 162 00:05:43,735 --> 00:05:45,495 up even to that meeting last night when 163 00:05:45,495 --> 00:05:47,754 I had it scheduled. But I guess hopefully 164 00:05:47,975 --> 00:05:49,835 that can in addition to 165 00:05:50,139 --> 00:05:50,639 helping 166 00:05:51,180 --> 00:05:53,500 people understand what the expectations maybe are, right, 167 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:55,180 the to dos, but what are you striving 168 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:57,420 to be and become? And how can I 169 00:05:57,420 --> 00:05:59,120 help you? How can we help you? 170 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:01,279 And what's, like, the later on accountability? 171 00:06:01,580 --> 00:06:04,064 Right? Like, these I think there's value in 172 00:06:04,064 --> 00:06:05,504 meeting as a council as a group of 173 00:06:05,504 --> 00:06:07,904 all young men young men advisers, but I 174 00:06:07,904 --> 00:06:10,164 think there's great power to in an occasional 175 00:06:10,544 --> 00:06:13,285 check-in one on one ministering type effort. 176 00:06:13,745 --> 00:06:15,745 And to be careful that that doesn't become 177 00:06:15,745 --> 00:06:18,564 micromanaging, but it's more of a ministering outreach 178 00:06:18,889 --> 00:06:20,490 to that person of like, hey, just how 179 00:06:20,490 --> 00:06:22,169 are you doing? How are things going? Because 180 00:06:22,169 --> 00:06:24,910 then you'll get further light knowledge that will 181 00:06:25,209 --> 00:06:25,709 inspire 182 00:06:26,009 --> 00:06:28,189 the hopefully the revelation that you can receive 183 00:06:28,569 --> 00:06:30,410 for that. So that's something I'm at least 184 00:06:30,410 --> 00:06:32,730 starting to try to do with specifically young 185 00:06:32,730 --> 00:06:33,389 men advisors. 186 00:06:33,769 --> 00:06:34,269 Yeah. 187 00:06:34,615 --> 00:06:37,034 So what I'm hearing in this discussion is, 188 00:06:37,095 --> 00:06:39,574 so far, we're focused on that delegating when 189 00:06:39,574 --> 00:06:41,914 it comes to youth. Right? Your responsibility 190 00:06:42,214 --> 00:06:44,935 of focusing on the youth and which is 191 00:06:44,935 --> 00:06:47,914 more I think more appropriate in the handbook 192 00:06:47,974 --> 00:06:48,794 is the rising 193 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:50,680 generation, right, which includes 194 00:06:51,139 --> 00:06:54,019 everybody from I was just born to I'm 195 00:06:54,019 --> 00:06:56,500 a young single adult. Right? But we do 196 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:59,860 kinda hyperfocus on that those teenage years. I'm 197 00:06:59,860 --> 00:07:02,740 just curious, like, yeah, delegation within those things 198 00:07:02,740 --> 00:07:04,214 is one thing, but we also have, you 199 00:07:04,214 --> 00:07:05,415 you know, I said we, but, you know, 200 00:07:05,415 --> 00:07:06,634 the bishops also have 201 00:07:07,014 --> 00:07:10,154 several other responsibilities happening outside of that. And, 202 00:07:10,294 --> 00:07:12,214 you know, since this shift and change where 203 00:07:12,214 --> 00:07:13,274 the young men's presidency, 204 00:07:13,814 --> 00:07:14,555 was dissolved, 205 00:07:15,095 --> 00:07:15,754 the idea 206 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:18,389 part of that idea was that, the elders 207 00:07:18,389 --> 00:07:21,110 quorum president and the relief society president would 208 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:23,610 sort of take a new level of engagement. 209 00:07:23,990 --> 00:07:25,430 Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how 210 00:07:25,430 --> 00:07:28,870 I understood it. And so how have you 211 00:07:28,870 --> 00:07:31,305 been going about delegating there? What does that 212 00:07:31,305 --> 00:07:33,464 look like? Or is that even I mean, 213 00:07:33,464 --> 00:07:35,884 sometimes those things fall off because maybe the 214 00:07:36,104 --> 00:07:39,384 consequence isn't as daunting when it's like, just 215 00:07:39,384 --> 00:07:40,824 the elders, you do your thing and at 216 00:07:40,824 --> 00:07:42,449 least their presence, you do your thing. But 217 00:07:42,449 --> 00:07:44,290 I'm curious if anything comes to mind for 218 00:07:44,290 --> 00:07:46,870 people when with that delegating to elders quorum 219 00:07:47,090 --> 00:07:48,870 and delegating to relief society. 220 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:51,170 Sean, go ahead. Sorry. I feel like I'm 221 00:07:51,170 --> 00:07:52,770 talking a lot. But I feel like our 222 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:55,090 ward does has done really well at that, 223 00:07:55,090 --> 00:07:56,529 at least for the adults. Like, I have 224 00:07:56,529 --> 00:07:58,985 our stellar elders quorum president and release study 225 00:07:58,985 --> 00:08:01,225 president, and I've gone through three or four 226 00:08:01,225 --> 00:08:03,305 each. And in my time so far, and 227 00:08:03,305 --> 00:08:05,084 they've all been very incredible. 228 00:08:05,384 --> 00:08:07,384 Something my stake president said when I was 229 00:08:07,384 --> 00:08:09,064 called was he says, as you read the 230 00:08:09,064 --> 00:08:10,639 handbook of your responsibilities, 231 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:13,819 if it says bishop or counselors, it's not 232 00:08:13,819 --> 00:08:17,180 yours. You delegate that. Right? Or bishop and 233 00:08:17,180 --> 00:08:19,500 or something else. Right? It it's not yours. 234 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:21,980 Only do what you can do as a 235 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:24,154 bishop. I've really tried to to do that 236 00:08:24,154 --> 00:08:26,314 the best I can. And so anything adult 237 00:08:26,314 --> 00:08:28,895 related when I absolutely know it's not repentance, 238 00:08:29,435 --> 00:08:31,995 I'm just like elders corps, relief elders corps, 239 00:08:31,995 --> 00:08:33,595 relief society, and I give it to them, 240 00:08:33,595 --> 00:08:35,195 and they've just run with it. They take 241 00:08:35,195 --> 00:08:37,980 a huge, huge load off as far as 242 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:40,460 the adults go. And so that's something I've 243 00:08:40,460 --> 00:08:41,740 always tried to live by was what my 244 00:08:41,740 --> 00:08:44,139 stake president said is do only what the 245 00:08:44,139 --> 00:08:46,220 bishop can do and, you know, work on 246 00:08:46,220 --> 00:08:47,980 that and do it the best that you 247 00:08:47,980 --> 00:08:51,100 can and delegate away everything else. And, you 248 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:52,524 know, if you do have a good elders 249 00:08:52,524 --> 00:08:54,605 quorum release study president, then that's easy. If 250 00:08:54,605 --> 00:08:56,924 you don't, then it's kinda what I'm going 251 00:08:56,924 --> 00:08:58,684 with Young Men Advisors, you know, right, with 252 00:08:58,684 --> 00:09:01,024 the youth. Yeah. Bishop Ransom. 253 00:09:01,404 --> 00:09:03,659 Alright. Good deal. Okay. So a couple of 254 00:09:03,659 --> 00:09:05,019 things. One, I think part of the reason 255 00:09:05,019 --> 00:09:07,019 that we focus, I do anyways, on the 256 00:09:07,019 --> 00:09:08,480 youth so much is that they 257 00:09:08,860 --> 00:09:10,799 most of my time is taken up with 258 00:09:10,860 --> 00:09:12,159 handling youth responsibilities. 259 00:09:12,779 --> 00:09:14,480 So that's where I tend to prioritize 260 00:09:15,179 --> 00:09:17,365 my time and energy. The members, a lot 261 00:09:17,365 --> 00:09:19,524 of times, we have a an amazing elders 262 00:09:19,524 --> 00:09:21,144 corpsman, Relief Society president 263 00:09:21,445 --> 00:09:23,445 in our ward, but they can only do 264 00:09:23,445 --> 00:09:25,365 what the members will let them do. So 265 00:09:25,365 --> 00:09:27,204 I have members coming to me, and they're 266 00:09:27,204 --> 00:09:28,725 wanting to talk to me. And I ask 267 00:09:28,725 --> 00:09:30,720 them, you know, as you do, have you 268 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,639 talked to the study president about this? Have 269 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:34,799 you counseled with her before coming to be 270 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:36,399 in? Their face kind of tends to fall, 271 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:37,759 and they're like, you don't wanna talk to 272 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:39,200 me. They think I don't have time for 273 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,059 them, but I don't wanna talk to them. 274 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,279 So that may yeah. Right? So it's made 275 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:45,574 it a challenge to even though I'm really 276 00:09:45,574 --> 00:09:47,495 happy to give them some time, but, really, 277 00:09:47,495 --> 00:09:49,014 that's where they should go first. Right? Or 278 00:09:49,014 --> 00:09:51,014 at least they should be going there primarily 279 00:09:51,014 --> 00:09:52,394 when that applies. So 280 00:09:52,774 --> 00:09:54,694 I do, agree with what was said as 281 00:09:54,694 --> 00:09:56,855 well. I'm kinda summarizing real fast, but with 282 00:09:56,934 --> 00:09:58,774 I've tried to pass off anything that I 283 00:09:58,774 --> 00:10:00,629 can that doesn't need to be done by 284 00:10:00,629 --> 00:10:02,629 me as the bishop. I'm only two years 285 00:10:02,790 --> 00:10:04,470 two months in. Sorry. I'm two months in, 286 00:10:04,470 --> 00:10:06,649 so still learning the ropes a little bit. 287 00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:08,870 But in general, I have found as long 288 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:10,790 as I prioritize, like, youth interviews, even though 289 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:11,910 I only have to do one a year, 290 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:13,350 I do all the youth interviews right now 291 00:10:13,350 --> 00:10:14,710 because I wanna get to know the youth 292 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:16,175 better. Right? So there's things that I'm doing 293 00:10:16,175 --> 00:10:16,675 intentionally 294 00:10:17,215 --> 00:10:19,394 to make sure that I am prioritizing them 295 00:10:19,455 --> 00:10:22,355 at whatever capacity I can. But in general, 296 00:10:22,815 --> 00:10:24,894 my oldest quorum is happy to handle anything 297 00:10:24,894 --> 00:10:26,335 that that I pass them and same with 298 00:10:26,335 --> 00:10:29,375 Relief Society, they're stellar rock stars. So that's 299 00:10:29,375 --> 00:10:31,210 made it really easy for us. Yeah. 300 00:10:31,669 --> 00:10:33,210 And, you know, this is interesting. 301 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:36,009 We kinda throw out the phrase, you know, 302 00:10:36,230 --> 00:10:38,549 the bishop handles repentance. Right? And that's sort 303 00:10:38,549 --> 00:10:40,230 of that's a blanket term for a lot 304 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:43,110 of mechanics going on behind the scenes. What 305 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:44,470 I mean by that is, you know, what 306 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:46,814 is repentance? And and I think we would 307 00:10:46,814 --> 00:10:48,414 do ourselves a favor in all of our 308 00:10:48,414 --> 00:10:51,394 spare time to really dig into what is 309 00:10:51,454 --> 00:10:54,095 my role in the repentance process as a 310 00:10:54,095 --> 00:10:54,595 bishop, 311 00:10:55,375 --> 00:10:56,975 and I think there's a lot more even 312 00:10:56,975 --> 00:10:58,414 in that. Right? Because I remember as a 313 00:10:58,414 --> 00:11:00,174 time as bishop, we kinda felt like, okay. 314 00:11:00,174 --> 00:11:02,019 This person's struggling with this thing, and it's 315 00:11:02,019 --> 00:11:04,259 kinda not gone away. Like, there's still a 316 00:11:04,259 --> 00:11:06,179 thing. They're still struggling or they're having a 317 00:11:06,179 --> 00:11:08,019 hard time getting past it. So I need 318 00:11:08,019 --> 00:11:09,959 to meet personally with that individual 319 00:11:10,579 --> 00:11:13,139 as many times until that person just suddenly 320 00:11:13,139 --> 00:11:15,584 stops scheduling appointments with me. And I guess 321 00:11:15,584 --> 00:11:17,664 we're good then. Right? Well, I think there's 322 00:11:17,664 --> 00:11:19,904 a more intentional approach there of you know, 323 00:11:19,904 --> 00:11:21,924 and this goes back. I think Adam Washburn 324 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:23,125 was asking a question 325 00:11:23,664 --> 00:11:26,705 about what are these spiritual dynamics that we 326 00:11:26,705 --> 00:11:28,384 can delegate. And I think there's even a 327 00:11:28,384 --> 00:11:30,750 lot in that repentance, which can, you know, 328 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:32,909 fill up your calendar where if it's a 329 00:11:32,909 --> 00:11:35,309 youth coming in, like, are your parents involved 330 00:11:35,309 --> 00:11:37,949 in this? Do you feel comfortable having discussions 331 00:11:37,949 --> 00:11:40,289 about this with your your youth leader? Right? 332 00:11:40,429 --> 00:11:42,909 Or if the elders you know, an elder 333 00:11:42,909 --> 00:11:44,669 comes in and is struggling or a a 334 00:11:44,669 --> 00:11:46,774 sister, You know? Tell me about your relationship 335 00:11:46,774 --> 00:11:48,695 with your elders' core president. Is this something 336 00:11:48,695 --> 00:11:50,934 you feel open talking about where the bishop's 337 00:11:50,934 --> 00:11:53,254 still involved? Obviously, his keys are still important 338 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:55,195 in that repentance process. However, 339 00:11:55,575 --> 00:11:58,394 those six, seven, eight appointments, those touch points 340 00:11:58,455 --> 00:12:01,100 could happen with that elders' quorum president. Now, 341 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:02,700 you know, me being an elders' quorum president 342 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:04,860 and a former bishop, I'm completely comfortable with 343 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:06,940 that, and I get that maybe some elders' 344 00:12:06,940 --> 00:12:08,559 quorum presidents wouldn't be. However, 345 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:11,259 it's something you could you know, nobody trained 346 00:12:11,259 --> 00:12:13,040 you per se how to have those conversations. 347 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:14,865 And so and, again, this would all be 348 00:12:14,865 --> 00:12:17,345 done under the agreement of the person, you 349 00:12:17,345 --> 00:12:19,504 know, that'd be open to that. And, again, 350 00:12:19,504 --> 00:12:21,345 community is a big part of repentance and 351 00:12:21,345 --> 00:12:24,144 overcoming these things. And so that's a interesting 352 00:12:24,144 --> 00:12:25,824 thing. Sometimes we have these things. Well, that's 353 00:12:25,824 --> 00:12:28,144 a bishop responsibility. However, that's a lot that's 354 00:12:28,144 --> 00:12:29,284 going on there. Right? 355 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,279 So what else comes to mind? Anybody wanna 356 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:35,000 add to that or maybe left a made 357 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,320 a comment in the chat that would be 358 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,639 appropriate? Is your answer? Yeah. Can I share 359 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:41,559 one more thing that has helped? Because and 360 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,274 we talked a little about this before with 361 00:12:43,514 --> 00:12:46,075 setting expectations when extending calls, but I found 362 00:12:46,075 --> 00:12:48,095 that I use a lot of positive reinforcement 363 00:12:48,154 --> 00:12:49,915 when members are doing something that's good that 364 00:12:49,915 --> 00:12:51,535 I need them to do in their calling. 365 00:12:51,595 --> 00:12:53,355 If I have people showing up for youth 366 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:54,555 night, and maybe I didn't know they were 367 00:12:54,555 --> 00:12:55,835 coming or maybe they were, but I always 368 00:12:55,835 --> 00:12:57,355 walk over, thank them for being there, tell 369 00:12:57,355 --> 00:12:59,250 them how important it is that we have 370 00:12:59,250 --> 00:12:59,990 good leadership 371 00:13:00,450 --> 00:13:02,129 supporting the youth, and I always go out 372 00:13:02,129 --> 00:13:04,370 of my way heavily, heavily, heavily to thank 373 00:13:04,370 --> 00:13:06,070 them. And I get a lot of response 374 00:13:06,290 --> 00:13:08,370 usually over text. Like, thanks so much for 375 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:10,290 making me feel loved and important and special. 376 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:12,050 I get a lot of individual text that 377 00:13:12,050 --> 00:13:14,644 way because I spend so much time reinforcing 378 00:13:14,785 --> 00:13:16,384 the good behaviors they're doing to try to 379 00:13:16,384 --> 00:13:18,065 help them. Next week, when you're kind of 380 00:13:18,065 --> 00:13:19,264 deciding, do I wanna go see a movie 381 00:13:19,264 --> 00:13:20,705 or do I wanna go youth night? Then 382 00:13:20,705 --> 00:13:22,225 you'll go to youth night knowing how important 383 00:13:22,225 --> 00:13:24,325 your calling is doing that as an adviser. 384 00:13:24,545 --> 00:13:26,785 Adam, did you A little change in topic. 385 00:13:26,785 --> 00:13:29,285 I'm thinking about delegation and parents and youth. 386 00:13:29,389 --> 00:13:30,909 I'll just throw this, this question out here. 387 00:13:30,909 --> 00:13:33,389 I feel like over the years, maybe it 388 00:13:33,389 --> 00:13:35,549 was historical. When I was a youth, I 389 00:13:35,549 --> 00:13:37,629 feel like maybe parents, you kind of delegated 390 00:13:37,629 --> 00:13:39,549 teaching the law of chastity to your bishop, 391 00:13:39,549 --> 00:13:41,809 right? The bishop will teach you this, right? 392 00:13:41,995 --> 00:13:43,274 I think a lot of parents kind of 393 00:13:43,274 --> 00:13:45,514 expect that's happening and don't realize that one 394 00:13:45,514 --> 00:13:47,195 with our lesson format and really with the 395 00:13:47,195 --> 00:13:49,915 youth teaching lessons, they're not getting those kind 396 00:13:49,915 --> 00:13:51,514 of lessons that maybe we got when we 397 00:13:51,514 --> 00:13:53,754 were kids. And I think the expectation is 398 00:13:53,754 --> 00:13:55,355 that it's parents teaching this, but I don't 399 00:13:55,355 --> 00:13:56,980 think a lot of parents know that. So 400 00:13:56,980 --> 00:13:58,820 I don't know, has anybody had any conversation 401 00:13:58,820 --> 00:14:00,580 with parents about, Hey, this is really your 402 00:14:00,580 --> 00:14:01,080 responsibility. 403 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:02,980 This is something I've been thinking about I 404 00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:04,820 need to do, but curious if anybody's had 405 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:06,980 success or, you know, other topics as well, 406 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,394 realizing like, we're not gonna, be start lined 407 00:14:09,394 --> 00:14:10,914 up in the manual. It's come follow me. 408 00:14:10,914 --> 00:14:12,434 Right? It's come follow me every week for 409 00:14:12,434 --> 00:14:14,355 everybody. And so if you want these special 410 00:14:14,355 --> 00:14:16,995 topics, like, parents really need to to dive 411 00:14:16,995 --> 00:14:18,954 in deep with their kids. Yeah. For sure. 412 00:14:18,954 --> 00:14:20,674 I don't know. Anybody anybody had any thoughts 413 00:14:20,674 --> 00:14:23,399 or experiences with that? Greg, go ahead. Yeah. 414 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:26,120 Our ward council's been addressing that to a 415 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,539 degree, and we've actually used our teaching 416 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:31,639 like, train the teacher to teach parents how 417 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:33,019 to teach their families. 418 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:35,079 So not just teaching in class, but we're 419 00:14:35,079 --> 00:14:36,839 teaching the parents how to teach their kids 420 00:14:36,839 --> 00:14:37,899 about tough topics 421 00:14:38,365 --> 00:14:40,285 and as well as just regular come follow 422 00:14:40,285 --> 00:14:42,365 me because some of them, we think they've 423 00:14:42,365 --> 00:14:44,684 got it, but they need more hand holding. 424 00:14:44,684 --> 00:14:47,085 And so we dedicate second hour sometimes to 425 00:14:47,085 --> 00:14:49,325 that, and that class is full with parents, 426 00:14:49,325 --> 00:14:51,665 grandparents on how to teach those topics. 427 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,639 But it also helps us to clear be 428 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:55,559 very clear that they need to teach that. 429 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:57,240 It's not on the bishop or the ward 430 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,920 to do that. And just give a shout 431 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,000 out to the last week, we did a 432 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,059 Sunday school presidency 433 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,934 livestream like this discussion, and we did talk 434 00:15:04,934 --> 00:15:06,695 about that as far as the Sunday school 435 00:15:06,695 --> 00:15:07,195 presidency's 436 00:15:07,495 --> 00:15:09,575 responsibilities, not just teaching at a church, but 437 00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:11,175 teaching in the home as well. And so 438 00:15:11,175 --> 00:15:13,654 that's a great thing to delegate, buzzword of 439 00:15:13,654 --> 00:15:15,575 the day, delegate to your Sunday school presidency 440 00:15:15,575 --> 00:15:17,175 and say, hey. You know, I'm noticing I'm 441 00:15:17,175 --> 00:15:18,934 getting a lot of quests, or I'm noticing 442 00:15:18,934 --> 00:15:21,410 maybe there's a learning deficit in the various 443 00:15:21,410 --> 00:15:22,850 homes of the youth. Like, would you put 444 00:15:22,850 --> 00:15:26,309 together something that would help parents more effectively 445 00:15:26,769 --> 00:15:28,850 teach topics a, b, c? Right? So I 446 00:15:28,850 --> 00:15:30,309 think there's a lot you can do there. 447 00:15:30,450 --> 00:15:32,384 Let's see. Joe, go ahead. I was just 448 00:15:32,384 --> 00:15:33,904 gonna say we've got so a couple of 449 00:15:33,904 --> 00:15:35,825 things tied to this that we've worked on. 450 00:15:35,825 --> 00:15:37,504 So the first is the teacher council for 451 00:15:37,504 --> 00:15:39,345 parents that you just brought up. We use 452 00:15:39,345 --> 00:15:42,305 that pretty religiously as awards since we started. 453 00:15:42,305 --> 00:15:44,065 Our our Sunday school president has done a 454 00:15:44,065 --> 00:15:46,350 great job of making sure those happen. And 455 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:49,389 it just so happens that next week I 456 00:15:49,389 --> 00:15:50,909 forget if it's next week, two weeks, doesn't 457 00:15:50,909 --> 00:15:54,269 matter. Coming soon, we're having a counselor come 458 00:15:54,269 --> 00:15:56,269 in from the area who's going to address 459 00:15:56,269 --> 00:15:57,409 those type of topics 460 00:15:57,870 --> 00:16:00,504 with the parents, how we're how to better 461 00:16:00,504 --> 00:16:01,945 teach those type of things in the home 462 00:16:01,945 --> 00:16:04,745 and address chastity and and that kind of 463 00:16:04,745 --> 00:16:07,144 stuff. At the same time, some other inspiration 464 00:16:07,144 --> 00:16:09,325 that we had as a bishopric was to 465 00:16:09,705 --> 00:16:12,504 have a a meeting around those topics without 466 00:16:12,504 --> 00:16:15,090 addressing them, you know, boldly in front of 467 00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:16,850 the team in front of the kids anyway. 468 00:16:16,850 --> 00:16:19,110 So I had the same inspiration, 469 00:16:19,649 --> 00:16:20,470 brother Washburn, 470 00:16:21,170 --> 00:16:24,050 that these type of conversations aren't happening as 471 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:25,570 often as they should be and they need 472 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:27,554 to happen. So what we're doing as a 473 00:16:27,554 --> 00:16:29,315 as a ward is we're using or as 474 00:16:29,315 --> 00:16:30,995 a as a bishopric, we're doing a bishop's 475 00:16:30,995 --> 00:16:32,914 fireside, and we're taking the for strengths of 476 00:16:32,914 --> 00:16:35,794 youth for strength of youth booklet and just 477 00:16:35,794 --> 00:16:38,115 teaching on watching in god's light or walking 478 00:16:38,115 --> 00:16:40,659 in god's light and pointing them towards what 479 00:16:40,659 --> 00:16:42,440 it takes to do that from the FSY 480 00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:43,480 manual. 481 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:44,600 And 482 00:16:44,899 --> 00:16:47,480 we'll be touching on the subject of chastity, 483 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:48,200 of 484 00:16:48,740 --> 00:16:51,000 of dress, of choosing your friends, of language, 485 00:16:51,059 --> 00:16:53,460 of that kind of stuff without specifically drawing 486 00:16:53,460 --> 00:16:54,804 it out and whatnot. 487 00:16:55,184 --> 00:16:56,865 And then we're tying it to a tree 488 00:16:56,865 --> 00:16:58,625 of life activity and holding to the rod 489 00:16:58,625 --> 00:17:01,504 as well. So it's something I've been needing 490 00:17:01,504 --> 00:17:02,784 to work on as a ward as well 491 00:17:02,784 --> 00:17:04,384 and we've those are the things that we're 492 00:17:04,384 --> 00:17:06,240 working on. The teacher council for parents, there's 493 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,839 not very many people that do it in 494 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:09,599 my experience anyway. We're the only one in 495 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:11,519 our stake, and then the stake next to 496 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:13,440 us, nobody's doing the teacher council for parents, 497 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,200 but it's been a really effective tool. We 498 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,160 do it for one hour on Sunday night. 499 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,375 It's casual dress, and there are refreshments 500 00:17:20,755 --> 00:17:22,215 and nursery provided. 501 00:17:22,674 --> 00:17:24,595 And we usually get decent attendance, and they 502 00:17:24,595 --> 00:17:26,755 can be a pretty pretty powerful meeting. So 503 00:17:27,154 --> 00:17:29,475 Yeah. And, you know, just that I love 504 00:17:29,475 --> 00:17:31,230 this model that we have, you know, in 505 00:17:31,230 --> 00:17:33,230 the context of Sunday school, these teacher council 506 00:17:33,230 --> 00:17:35,410 meetings or the parent teacher council meetings. 507 00:17:35,789 --> 00:17:37,309 But imagine I I think this is part 508 00:17:37,309 --> 00:17:39,470 of delegation as far as, like, an old 509 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:42,670 adage I always reiterate, like, never confuse an 510 00:17:42,670 --> 00:17:45,714 ability problem for a motivation problem. But we 511 00:17:45,794 --> 00:17:48,835 our brains default to this motivation space of, 512 00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:50,835 like, oh, they're not showing up. They're not 513 00:17:50,835 --> 00:17:52,454 doing it. They must be unmotivated. 514 00:17:52,835 --> 00:17:54,355 Right? When in reality, a lot of them 515 00:17:54,355 --> 00:17:55,954 are thinking, I don't know how to do 516 00:17:55,954 --> 00:17:57,315 that. I don't know how to show up, 517 00:17:57,315 --> 00:17:59,234 you know, on a Wednesday and and lead 518 00:17:59,315 --> 00:18:01,779 facilitate a youth activity or or I don't 519 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:03,200 know I don't know how to teach a 520 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,880 lesson or, you know, these types of things. 521 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,019 And I'm even thinking 522 00:18:06,399 --> 00:18:08,240 with the you know, I think of the 523 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,399 the load like repentance. Let's say, I think 524 00:18:10,399 --> 00:18:13,039 a lot of bishops, especially with youth, experience 525 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:15,359 a high rate of appointments for repentance or 526 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,480 it comes up a lot in that one 527 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,215 to one. What if you had a parent 528 00:18:18,215 --> 00:18:20,875 council meeting all about how do we facilitate 529 00:18:21,174 --> 00:18:21,674 repentance 530 00:18:22,134 --> 00:18:24,295 as a group? Right? Like, what should you 531 00:18:24,295 --> 00:18:25,575 be doing at home, or do we just 532 00:18:25,575 --> 00:18:27,095 sort of say, hey, Johnny. You need to 533 00:18:27,095 --> 00:18:28,775 go meet with the bishop and not talk 534 00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:29,975 about it at home. Right? So I think 535 00:18:29,975 --> 00:18:32,170 you can use this council model in so 536 00:18:32,170 --> 00:18:34,269 many different ways to help enable 537 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:36,490 whatever group it is or whatever problem it 538 00:18:36,490 --> 00:18:38,250 is to help them rise to that that 539 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:39,789 level of that skill level. 540 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:41,850 Something as far as, you know, a lot 541 00:18:41,850 --> 00:18:42,430 of chastity 542 00:18:42,809 --> 00:18:45,070 and, I guess, just standards is 543 00:18:45,654 --> 00:18:48,154 with the youth, a kind of a successful, 544 00:18:48,375 --> 00:18:50,375 like, a, like, win that we had last 545 00:18:50,375 --> 00:18:52,075 year is when we do that annual 546 00:18:52,615 --> 00:18:53,835 for the strength of youth 547 00:18:54,295 --> 00:18:55,994 meeting with youth and parents. 548 00:18:56,615 --> 00:18:58,075 We've had the youth 549 00:18:58,375 --> 00:19:01,099 just run and pretty much the entire thing. 550 00:19:01,099 --> 00:19:03,339 So, like, our young woman's president would say 551 00:19:03,339 --> 00:19:05,179 something kind of at the beginning very briefly, 552 00:19:05,179 --> 00:19:06,940 then I might say something really brief at 553 00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:08,859 the end. And everything in between was the 554 00:19:08,859 --> 00:19:09,359 youth 555 00:19:09,819 --> 00:19:12,140 talking about the topics in the first strength 556 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:14,005 of youth. And so they were the ones 557 00:19:14,005 --> 00:19:16,164 having an opportunity to say the words. Right? 558 00:19:16,164 --> 00:19:18,265 Oh, sex. Right? Pornography, 559 00:19:18,964 --> 00:19:21,944 masturbation. Right? They're actually saying these words themselves. 560 00:19:22,565 --> 00:19:24,964 And I got we got feedback from, like, 561 00:19:24,964 --> 00:19:27,285 a mother that kid, and she was just 562 00:19:27,285 --> 00:19:29,380 very grateful that she said it was awesome 563 00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:31,700 to have the youth up there talking about 564 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:33,880 those topics and not the adults 565 00:19:34,259 --> 00:19:36,099 sitting there in a big group talking about 566 00:19:36,099 --> 00:19:37,000 that. And so, 567 00:19:37,299 --> 00:19:38,820 at least for her, it was a win. 568 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:40,904 I thought the the night overall was great, 569 00:19:40,904 --> 00:19:42,585 and so that's something we've always tried to 570 00:19:42,585 --> 00:19:44,265 do each year. But it was good to 571 00:19:44,265 --> 00:19:46,585 get the, like, the youth up there saying 572 00:19:46,585 --> 00:19:48,744 the words, talking about those things, and maybe 573 00:19:48,744 --> 00:19:50,744 opening the door of, like, them hearing it 574 00:19:50,744 --> 00:19:52,744 from their peers and saying, hey. I think 575 00:19:52,744 --> 00:19:53,945 I might go talk to my mom or 576 00:19:53,945 --> 00:19:56,250 dad about that or a church leader or 577 00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:58,650 or whoever. Bishop Ransom, go ahead. I was 578 00:19:58,650 --> 00:20:00,490 just gonna share something that I often talk 579 00:20:00,490 --> 00:20:02,809 to people about when I extend calls that 580 00:20:02,809 --> 00:20:04,650 when I especially the youth, when I was 581 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:06,809 a president of probably the deacons quorum, might 582 00:20:06,809 --> 00:20:09,335 have been teachers quorum, But they continued to 583 00:20:09,335 --> 00:20:11,335 pull us in regularly every three weeks or 584 00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:12,934 so, and they would chastise us for not 585 00:20:12,934 --> 00:20:15,255 doing our callings over and over again. For 586 00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:17,174 whatever reason, they just kept telling us you're 587 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:18,535 not doing your calling. And I remember feeling 588 00:20:18,535 --> 00:20:20,555 really bad about it as a young man. 589 00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:22,450 I'm not doing my calling. I'm terrible. I'm 590 00:20:22,450 --> 00:20:23,730 not a good leader. I don't know what 591 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:25,490 I'm doing. But I would go home for 592 00:20:25,490 --> 00:20:26,690 three days, and I'd feel bad. And then 593 00:20:26,690 --> 00:20:27,890 I would just forget about it till they 594 00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:29,329 called us in three weeks later and did 595 00:20:29,329 --> 00:20:31,250 the same thing. And I mentioned this because 596 00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:32,609 I try to encourage people if you don't 597 00:20:32,609 --> 00:20:34,130 know what you're doing or you're calling because 598 00:20:34,130 --> 00:20:35,924 I wasn't trained. They just never told me 599 00:20:35,924 --> 00:20:37,464 what I was supposed to be doing. Right? 600 00:20:37,525 --> 00:20:39,204 And so I was just very confused on 601 00:20:39,204 --> 00:20:40,484 why I kept getting in trouble, but I 602 00:20:40,484 --> 00:20:41,845 didn't know to tell them. I don't know 603 00:20:41,845 --> 00:20:43,204 what my calling entails. I don't know what 604 00:20:43,204 --> 00:20:44,744 I'm supposed to be doing as a president. 605 00:20:44,884 --> 00:20:45,924 You need to teach me how to do 606 00:20:45,924 --> 00:20:46,964 it so I can do it, which is 607 00:20:46,964 --> 00:20:48,789 what I would respond with now. Right? But 608 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:50,470 it's good for me as a bishop. This 609 00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:52,470 memory came back to me of don't set 610 00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:54,630 people up for failure. Make sure that they 611 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:56,230 know what you need them to do. Be 612 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:57,990 specific. If they're not doing it, talk to 613 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:59,190 them about it. Don't wait for them to 614 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:00,950 fail for six months and then release them 615 00:21:00,950 --> 00:21:02,309 because you need somebody who will actually do 616 00:21:02,309 --> 00:21:04,484 what they're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Really 617 00:21:04,484 --> 00:21:07,205 good. Anybody else wanna add to that? I 618 00:21:07,205 --> 00:21:08,724 might jump in for a second. I don't 619 00:21:08,884 --> 00:21:10,884 Yeah. Go ahead. See the hand raise button. 620 00:21:10,884 --> 00:21:13,365 But Okay. One of the things that I 621 00:21:13,365 --> 00:21:14,505 feel like I've noticed 622 00:21:15,045 --> 00:21:15,285 is 623 00:21:16,019 --> 00:21:17,240 and it this feels 624 00:21:17,539 --> 00:21:19,859 connected to me, but nobody's used this phrase. 625 00:21:19,859 --> 00:21:22,039 There's the home centered and church supported. 626 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:23,000 And 627 00:21:23,299 --> 00:21:25,700 I think, technically, that has always been true, 628 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:27,640 but I don't think that our organization 629 00:21:28,099 --> 00:21:30,180 as a church matched that in the past, 630 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:30,680 perhaps. 631 00:21:31,434 --> 00:21:31,934 And 632 00:21:32,315 --> 00:21:34,154 I've got a big question about, well, how 633 00:21:34,154 --> 00:21:36,734 much home centered is actually getting done? So 634 00:21:36,875 --> 00:21:38,654 you look at what the church is delegating 635 00:21:38,715 --> 00:21:41,115 to the parents now, and it feels like 636 00:21:41,115 --> 00:21:43,819 more than it used to be. And I 637 00:21:43,819 --> 00:21:45,500 missed out on that one last week where 638 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,900 you had Sunday school. But many years ago, 639 00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,740 I used to feel like Sunday school was 640 00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:52,299 not a very important calling. But at least 641 00:21:52,299 --> 00:21:53,980 where I'm at now, I feel like if 642 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:56,380 a Sunday school president was really nailing it, 643 00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:57,599 it can be a hugely 644 00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:01,365 impactful calling because of the teacher council and 645 00:22:01,365 --> 00:22:03,444 the parent councils. Like, if they're actually doing 646 00:22:03,444 --> 00:22:06,085 all that, you actually have some influence on 647 00:22:06,085 --> 00:22:08,424 the home centered piece of it where 648 00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:09,944 people can actually 649 00:22:10,740 --> 00:22:12,820 connect with the savior and connect with their 650 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:15,539 family in a way that they're making spiritual 651 00:22:15,539 --> 00:22:16,759 progress in their lives. 652 00:22:17,059 --> 00:22:19,559 Love it. Yeah. And that's, again, kinda shifting. 653 00:22:19,779 --> 00:22:22,099 Sometimes it's easy to get hyper focused on 654 00:22:22,099 --> 00:22:24,359 the ward specific responsibility 655 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:26,835 of, like, are we doing the weekday youth 656 00:22:26,835 --> 00:22:29,815 activity? You know? How are the lessons going? 657 00:22:29,955 --> 00:22:31,955 When we step back and say, well, what 658 00:22:31,955 --> 00:22:34,434 are some additional resources, or how can we 659 00:22:34,434 --> 00:22:36,355 better focus on what's happening in the home? 660 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:39,009 Because, again, can't mistake an ability problem for 661 00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:41,250 a motivation problem. So it's like, well, maybe 662 00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:42,710 it's not that they're unmotivated. 663 00:22:43,090 --> 00:22:45,090 Maybe it's that they don't know how to 664 00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:46,450 do that. So let's get our Sunday school 665 00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:48,850 presidency involved or whatever we need to do 666 00:22:48,850 --> 00:22:51,154 to to help enable parents to 667 00:22:51,615 --> 00:22:53,075 or or homes households 668 00:22:53,454 --> 00:22:56,255 to, you know, do the things the home 669 00:22:56,255 --> 00:22:58,815 centered things. Right? Yeah. Because one of the 670 00:22:58,815 --> 00:23:00,894 one of the things that my wife's young 671 00:23:00,894 --> 00:23:03,214 women's president right now, and she strives really 672 00:23:03,214 --> 00:23:05,579 hard to get the youth involved. And she's 673 00:23:05,579 --> 00:23:07,819 got a class president who's doing a really 674 00:23:07,819 --> 00:23:08,720 good job now, 675 00:23:09,019 --> 00:23:09,519 and 676 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:11,359 that works best 677 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:12,640 when the parents 678 00:23:13,259 --> 00:23:14,720 are involved in that mentorship. 679 00:23:15,339 --> 00:23:15,839 So 680 00:23:16,299 --> 00:23:18,940 the young women's president has influence and can 681 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:22,134 do a lot. But if that is reinforced 682 00:23:22,134 --> 00:23:23,894 by what the parents are teaching and what 683 00:23:23,894 --> 00:23:25,414 the parents are trying to help the kids 684 00:23:25,414 --> 00:23:28,315 do as well, it just magnifies the impacts, 685 00:23:28,534 --> 00:23:29,674 like, tenfold. 686 00:23:30,294 --> 00:23:32,375 Yep. But the parents don't know how to 687 00:23:32,375 --> 00:23:33,894 do that any more than the rest of 688 00:23:33,894 --> 00:23:35,420 us started out knowing how to do it 689 00:23:35,420 --> 00:23:37,740 until we practiced a little bit. Yeah. For 690 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:40,299 sure. Ricky, go ahead. The same quote that 691 00:23:40,299 --> 00:23:42,480 you keep saying is is true for bishops 692 00:23:42,539 --> 00:23:43,039 also. 693 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:45,820 One day you're not bishop, you're everybody's neighbor, 694 00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:47,500 and the very next day you're bishop, and 695 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:49,154 you're all of a sudden expected to know 696 00:23:49,154 --> 00:23:50,455 how to do everything. 697 00:23:50,835 --> 00:23:52,674 And that's just not the case and it's 698 00:23:52,674 --> 00:23:55,154 hard. It's really hard. And there's not a 699 00:23:55,154 --> 00:23:56,375 lot of great training 700 00:23:56,755 --> 00:23:58,295 except for things like this 701 00:23:58,595 --> 00:24:00,195 that people and then you think, oh, I 702 00:24:00,195 --> 00:24:01,715 have to be a super bishop. Right? I 703 00:24:01,715 --> 00:24:03,075 have to be really great all of a 704 00:24:03,075 --> 00:24:05,390 sudden at every calling and they all have 705 00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:07,710 to run great and things like that. And 706 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:09,710 then there was this attitude for a while 707 00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:10,609 of, oh, 708 00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:13,470 delegate and let them fail. You know, that 709 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:15,150 they used to say, don't bring back up 710 00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:18,065 brownies, right? So the activity, if you delegated 711 00:24:18,204 --> 00:24:20,045 a young woman to bring brownies and she 712 00:24:20,045 --> 00:24:21,664 didn't, well then there's no brownies. 713 00:24:22,285 --> 00:24:24,304 I think that's not the right way either, 714 00:24:24,444 --> 00:24:26,605 but it's hard to be a Bishop. And 715 00:24:26,605 --> 00:24:29,005 to speak to the thing earlier about the 716 00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:30,304 delegating to parents, 717 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,359 one thing I did, which worked really, really 718 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,179 well, and this was as kids were coming, 719 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,319 turning 12, and they were gonna be getting 720 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,640 temple recommended interviews. I sent home a letter 721 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,779 about a month before 722 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,640 that said with a list of the temple 723 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,700 recommended interviews. 724 00:24:46,035 --> 00:24:46,535 And, 725 00:24:47,075 --> 00:24:49,315 it was, hey, we're gonna be asking these 726 00:24:49,315 --> 00:24:51,234 questions to your kids. Please go over these 727 00:24:51,234 --> 00:24:53,075 questions with them and teach them everything you 728 00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:55,255 wanna know. And then there was some highlights. 729 00:24:55,475 --> 00:24:58,055 Usually kids don't know what this question means 730 00:24:58,220 --> 00:25:00,140 and usually kids don't know what that question 731 00:25:00,140 --> 00:25:02,320 means. And it helped. It absolutely 732 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:03,200 changed 733 00:25:03,660 --> 00:25:05,119 those first interviews 734 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,820 because at least with the parents who did 735 00:25:07,820 --> 00:25:10,320 sit down with them, it's hard because 736 00:25:10,755 --> 00:25:12,434 like I said, one day you're not Bishop 737 00:25:12,434 --> 00:25:14,595 and you're everybody's neighbor. Then the next day, 738 00:25:14,595 --> 00:25:16,275 I mean, I remember when I was called, 739 00:25:16,275 --> 00:25:17,795 I had one neighbor that said, oh, now 740 00:25:17,795 --> 00:25:19,634 I have to stop being friends with you. 741 00:25:19,634 --> 00:25:21,634 Almost as if I had seer stones and 742 00:25:21,634 --> 00:25:23,954 could see all everything into his life, all 743 00:25:23,954 --> 00:25:26,019 of a sudden. I said, why? And he 744 00:25:26,019 --> 00:25:27,940 says, oh, because now you're the bishop, you 745 00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:30,180 know everything. I don't know anything, I'm still 746 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:32,180 your neighbor and I don't know how to 747 00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:34,580 solve that, right? Other than just jumping in 748 00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:36,820 and not being embarrassed as a bishop to 749 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:37,720 not know everything 750 00:25:38,044 --> 00:25:40,204 and not be embarrassed in ward council to 751 00:25:40,204 --> 00:25:42,204 say, hey, this is a problem I don't 752 00:25:42,204 --> 00:25:43,105 know how to solve. 753 00:25:43,565 --> 00:25:46,284 And to be kind of real, not not 754 00:25:46,284 --> 00:25:49,565 nitty gritty real. Right? But to be real 755 00:25:49,565 --> 00:25:51,265 about your experience also 756 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,640 and real with your word. I mean, I 757 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,559 remember being real with my word saying, Hey, 758 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,799 I don't I haven't done this before. And 759 00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:59,000 now all of a sudden I have to 760 00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,960 do it. And, 761 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,720 yeah, just acknowledging that it's hard and that 762 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,775 there's no really great there's lots of great 763 00:26:05,775 --> 00:26:07,535 stuff in the handbook, but there's nothing that 764 00:26:07,535 --> 00:26:09,055 teaches you all of a sudden all the 765 00:26:09,055 --> 00:26:11,394 nuances of social engineering 766 00:26:11,775 --> 00:26:13,775 and how to and then there's thing too, 767 00:26:13,934 --> 00:26:15,775 oh, I liked how the old bishop did 768 00:26:15,775 --> 00:26:17,394 it. Now you're doing it different. 769 00:26:18,269 --> 00:26:20,130 And and the same is true with welfare. 770 00:26:20,190 --> 00:26:21,330 Right? And Yeah. 771 00:26:21,869 --> 00:26:23,730 All of those things. Just acknowledging 772 00:26:24,109 --> 00:26:26,750 that it's hard. That's great advice. Great advice. 773 00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:28,910 And as we wrap up here and, again, 774 00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:30,269 we don't have, like, a hard stop by 775 00:26:30,269 --> 00:26:30,930 any means, 776 00:26:31,384 --> 00:26:31,884 but, 777 00:26:32,345 --> 00:26:33,944 you can keep talking. But what I want 778 00:26:33,944 --> 00:26:36,184 you to do is if there's a a 779 00:26:36,184 --> 00:26:39,065 bishop here in this virtual room who's just 780 00:26:39,065 --> 00:26:41,964 so overwhelmed and really stressed about this delegation 781 00:26:42,105 --> 00:26:45,210 principle and concept, what encouragement would you give 782 00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:46,890 them? And you can either put it into 783 00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:49,130 the chat or you can put it into 784 00:26:49,289 --> 00:26:51,690 or you can unmute and or raise your 785 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:53,609 hand and and share it that way. But 786 00:26:53,609 --> 00:26:55,450 maybe sit on that for a minute. What 787 00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:57,950 encouragement would you give to a different bishop 788 00:26:58,009 --> 00:26:58,830 who's struggling 789 00:26:59,244 --> 00:27:00,845 with this? Because oftentimes, it's hard to give 790 00:27:00,845 --> 00:27:01,345 ourselves 791 00:27:01,884 --> 00:27:02,704 that encouragement. 792 00:27:03,244 --> 00:27:04,224 Sean, go ahead. 793 00:27:04,605 --> 00:27:05,105 So 794 00:27:05,484 --> 00:27:07,404 a couple things, but they kinda mesh together 795 00:27:07,404 --> 00:27:07,904 is 796 00:27:08,365 --> 00:27:09,664 it's the Lord's church, 797 00:27:10,125 --> 00:27:11,664 not ours, not yours. 798 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:15,069 He will take care of his children. 799 00:27:15,369 --> 00:27:17,450 Right? You can't get to everyone. You can't 800 00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:19,369 get to everything. You can't do all of 801 00:27:19,369 --> 00:27:20,190 those things 802 00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:23,210 the handbook says are yours or only yours. 803 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:25,369 You just can't. And the Lord knows that. 804 00:27:25,369 --> 00:27:26,269 It's his church, 805 00:27:26,575 --> 00:27:28,414 and there will be times where you focus 806 00:27:28,414 --> 00:27:31,535 on different things. So give yourself grace within 807 00:27:31,535 --> 00:27:33,455 that and always know that it's the Lord's 808 00:27:33,455 --> 00:27:35,535 church and that he's got you. And then 809 00:27:35,535 --> 00:27:37,375 secondly, I'd say too is that it's just 810 00:27:37,375 --> 00:27:39,634 messy. Like mortality is messy 811 00:27:40,309 --> 00:27:40,809 And, 812 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:43,190 like, this visual always comes to my mind 813 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:44,549 of when you go to clean the church 814 00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:45,910 building and you're the one that has to 815 00:27:45,910 --> 00:27:47,509 go clean the windows, the of the front 816 00:27:47,509 --> 00:27:49,349 doors. Like, you just can't get it right. 817 00:27:49,349 --> 00:27:51,509 You just smear it even more, and it's 818 00:27:51,509 --> 00:27:54,065 just not great. But the light still gets 819 00:27:54,065 --> 00:27:56,384 through. You can still see through those windows. 820 00:27:56,384 --> 00:27:58,725 And to me, that's the gospel. That's mortality. 821 00:27:58,865 --> 00:28:01,265 It's messy, but light gets through there. Right? 822 00:28:01,265 --> 00:28:02,805 Like, we see through a glass darkly, 823 00:28:03,105 --> 00:28:04,384 and we do our best with the light 824 00:28:04,384 --> 00:28:06,225 that we get, knowing that the atonement of 825 00:28:06,225 --> 00:28:07,125 Jesus Christ 826 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:08,059 covers 827 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,440 not only our sins and our mistakes, but 828 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,119 the things that we just fail at or 829 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,519 don't get to within our callings. The Lord's 830 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:15,819 got it covered. 831 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,519 And so I take great hope and peace 832 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:20,919 within that as I strive to just do 833 00:28:20,919 --> 00:28:22,904 the best that I can, but knowing that 834 00:28:22,984 --> 00:28:24,585 it's gonna be messy. I'm going to fail, 835 00:28:24,585 --> 00:28:26,744 but it's the lord's church. He's got it. 836 00:28:26,744 --> 00:28:28,664 The light gets through. He'll take care of 837 00:28:28,664 --> 00:28:29,644 these people too. 838 00:28:30,105 --> 00:28:33,224 Just to highlight kinda what Sean says, I 839 00:28:33,224 --> 00:28:34,904 I wrote a newsletter article. This is a 840 00:28:34,904 --> 00:28:36,920 couple years ago, and it it's still true 841 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160 today of, like, you think about all the 842 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,400 ways you're falling short or that your word's 843 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,359 falling short. And I can with full confidence, 844 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,240 this isn't hyperbole, I can easily say you're 845 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,585 doing enough. You're absolutely doing enough. Because I 846 00:28:50,585 --> 00:28:52,664 remember instance where when I was bishop, a 847 00:28:52,664 --> 00:28:54,664 Relief Society president came in, and, you know, 848 00:28:54,664 --> 00:28:56,044 we're just having our monthly, 849 00:28:56,345 --> 00:28:58,585 you know, interface there of of talking about 850 00:28:58,585 --> 00:29:00,585 things. And she was really struggling with just 851 00:29:00,585 --> 00:29:02,500 how things were going and, you know, just 852 00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,420 frustrated that a lot of these things, people 853 00:29:04,420 --> 00:29:06,339 weren't showing up, people weren't following through, doing 854 00:29:06,339 --> 00:29:08,259 their thing. And I said, you know, why 855 00:29:08,259 --> 00:29:10,980 are you nervous about this, activity not going 856 00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:12,740 well? Well, if if it doesn't go well, 857 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:14,259 nobody will wanna come. And and why are 858 00:29:14,259 --> 00:29:16,579 you nervous that nobody will wanna come? Well, 859 00:29:16,579 --> 00:29:17,924 if they don't wanna come, they won't make 860 00:29:17,924 --> 00:29:19,845 friends. And and why are you nervous that 861 00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,044 they won't make friends? Well, if they don't 862 00:29:21,044 --> 00:29:22,565 make friends, they they may not come to 863 00:29:22,565 --> 00:29:24,325 church. And, oh, well, why are you nervous 864 00:29:24,325 --> 00:29:25,684 that they won't come to church? Well, if 865 00:29:25,684 --> 00:29:26,884 they don't come to church, they won't, you 866 00:29:26,884 --> 00:29:29,204 know, get the ordinances and and renew their 867 00:29:29,204 --> 00:29:31,044 ordinances. Well, why are you nervous about them 868 00:29:31,044 --> 00:29:32,549 not coming to to church and getting their 869 00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:34,250 ordinances? Well, if they don't get their ordinances, 870 00:29:34,309 --> 00:29:35,289 then maybe 871 00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:36,329 they won't, 872 00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:38,549 you know, be saved and exhausted. I'm like, 873 00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:40,789 woah. At what point was it your job 874 00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:42,869 to make sure that they were saved? That's 875 00:29:42,869 --> 00:29:43,929 always been Jesus 876 00:29:44,305 --> 00:29:46,785 Christ's job. Right? It's his role. And so 877 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,025 no matter how well or not well you're 878 00:29:49,025 --> 00:29:52,805 doing, you're always doing enough because he did 879 00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:53,525 everything 880 00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:55,664 that we need. Right? And so I hope 881 00:29:55,664 --> 00:29:57,809 you find encouragement in that that don't beat 882 00:29:57,809 --> 00:29:59,490 yourself up too much about these things. And 883 00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:00,849 and it is okay to even look at 884 00:30:00,849 --> 00:30:02,690 your word council even though in your mind, 885 00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:04,210 like, I can think about 10 things that 886 00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:06,130 you should be doing better, 11 things you 887 00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:07,569 should be doing better, and 50 things you 888 00:30:07,569 --> 00:30:09,250 should be doing better. But to just look 889 00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:11,169 at them and say, hey. I just want 890 00:30:11,169 --> 00:30:13,454 you all to know you're doing enough. And 891 00:30:13,454 --> 00:30:15,154 this weird paradox happens 892 00:30:15,534 --> 00:30:17,534 when you say that is people want to 893 00:30:17,534 --> 00:30:19,615 do more. Right? And, 894 00:30:20,095 --> 00:30:21,375 it's on the other end if we go 895 00:30:21,375 --> 00:30:22,575 to them and say, hey. Just to remind 896 00:30:22,575 --> 00:30:24,575 you, you're not doing enough, they actually want 897 00:30:24,575 --> 00:30:26,575 to do less or they wanna disengage. They 898 00:30:26,575 --> 00:30:28,549 wanna be released. They want to go anywhere 899 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:30,470 else, but that room. But when you say 900 00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:32,869 actually grace is of Jesus Christ is good 901 00:30:32,869 --> 00:30:35,429 enough for you and you're doing enough, because 902 00:30:35,429 --> 00:30:37,669 he did everything, they'll find encouragement and want 903 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:38,970 to reengage that way. 904 00:30:46,305 --> 00:30:47,825 Now that we've reached the end of the 905 00:30:47,825 --> 00:30:50,065 episode, I quickly want to thank you for 906 00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:52,005 supporting the Leading Saints podcast. 907 00:30:52,305 --> 00:30:54,384 There's so much content out there to consider 908 00:30:54,384 --> 00:30:56,940 and you picked this one. 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But seriously, thank you and help us 918 00:31:16,484 --> 00:31:17,464 share this content. 919 00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:29,720 It came as a result of the position 920 00:31:29,779 --> 00:31:32,759 of leadership, which was imposed upon us 921 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:35,244 by the God of heaven who brought 922 00:31:35,545 --> 00:31:38,845 forth a restoration of the gospel of Jesus 923 00:31:38,984 --> 00:31:39,484 Christ. 924 00:31:40,184 --> 00:31:41,164 When the declaration 925 00:31:41,545 --> 00:31:43,884 was made concerning the only 926 00:31:44,505 --> 00:31:46,984 true and living Church upon the face of 927 00:31:46,984 --> 00:31:47,644 the earth, 928 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,820 We were immediately put in a position of 929 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,460 loneliness, 930 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,460 the loneliness of leadership 931 00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:57,059 from which we cannot shrink nor run away, 932 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,320 and to which we must face up with 933 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,779 boldness and courage 934 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,140 and ability.