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Attention youth leaders. If you have recently been

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called to lead the rising generation,

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I have a next step for you. Listen

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to an awesome presentation by Yvonne Hubert and

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Peter Vidmar, who are both respective members of

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the Young Women and Young Men General Advisory

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Council for the church. Their presentation

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really helps clarify ways on how to effectively

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lead the youth using the children and youth

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program. They also cover topics like youth led

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groups, how to lead through personal ministry,

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how to meet youth where they are, identifying

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the youth strengths and capacities.

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This presentation is part of the Young Saints

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virtual library, and you can access it at

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no cost by going to leadingsaints.org/fourteen.

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Again, simply click the link in the show

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notes or go to leadingsaints.org/1four.

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So my name is Kurt Frankem and I

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am the founder and executive director of Leading

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Saints and obviously the host of the Leading

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Saints podcast. Now I started Leading Saints back

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in 02/2010. It was just a hobby blog

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and it grew from there. By the time,

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2014

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came around, we started the podcast and that's

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really when it got some,

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traction and took off, 02/2016.

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We became a five zero one c three

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nonprofit organization and we've been growing ever since.

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And now I get the opportunity

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of interviewing and talking with remarkable people all

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over the world. Now this is a segment

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we do on the Leading Saints podcast called

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How I Lead, and we reach out to

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everyday leaders. They're not experts, gurus, authors, PhDs.

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They're just everyday leaders who've been asked to

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serve in a specific leadership calling, and we

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simply ask them, how is it that you

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lead? And they go through some remarkable principles

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that should be in a book, that should

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be behind a PhD.

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They're usually that good, and, we just talk

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about, sharing what the other guy is doing.

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And I remember being a leader just simply

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wanting to know, k. I know what I'm

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trying to do, but what's the other guy

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doing? What's working for him? And so that's

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why every Wednesday or so, we publish these

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how I lead segments to share.

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In this how I lead interview, we talk

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with Skyler Hawes. And, man, if you're if

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you're a brand new Young Men leader or

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you you have maybe a new group in

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your ward, this would be one to definitely

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listen to or pass on to that group.

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Skyler has a great approach. A lot of

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experience

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working with young men, especially in the context

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of high adventure. Like, how do you create

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an experience that

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it's,

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just hard, but not hard not too hard.

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Right? Because we don't wanna overwhelm them, but

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doing something where at the end, they can

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look back and think, wow. Like, look what

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we did. That was so cool. And Skyler

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has some great ideas to do this. Alright,

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Skyler. More than just ideas. So we have

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studio audience here listening in with some of

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their questions. Or, but Even their You reached

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out to me via email with a simple

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suggestion

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of maybe

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going on the podcast and chatting. Maybe what

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what led to that? Placed in an appropriate

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to freeze their memories

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and experiences.

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adventure. Thank you. And it was just kinda

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popping around on on podcast. I really appreciate

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this conversation.

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I was like there there's a few, like,

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suggested podcasts, and I hopped on to one.

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I can't remember what the name of that

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one was that led me here. And I

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was like, oh, this is cool. And so

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I just started going through some of the

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episodes, specifically looking at the ones that dealt

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there was one that talked about high adventure.

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somebody else's perspective on it. So I just

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listened to it and I thought, you know,

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this guy has some really good ideas.

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from that, you know, from his story where

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he just, like, he just volunteered

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for his, you know, his calling. And I

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was like, you know, maybe I should do

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that. I have something to share. I've been

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working with youth youth for quite a while.

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I I think I have something to share

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that might be of value to somebody, so

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I thought I'd reach out and see if

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that would that was something that you'd be

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interested in. Cool. You know? So how long

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have you been been serving with the youth?

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my first youth calling

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COVID years, which I I think I maybe

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it was a good thing. I missed COVID

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years. But with the exception of COVID years,

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time since then.

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Awesome. Really cool. Yeah. And it you we

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were talking before that it's just sort of

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you feel like I mean, this is if

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you were to pick a calling, this would

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be it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've

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been in my dream calling for for quite

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you know, not that I I wouldn't,

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wouldn't,

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love any calling I got, but, I mean,

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I'm I'm really happy where I'm at.

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Just for those listening, I've I've served as

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young men's president back when we had those,

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many times, and early morning seminaries teacher as

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when I was going to going to school,

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So Awesome. Really cool.

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like, makeup of your your young men's organization?

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Springs. Saratoga Springs. Yeah. So?

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total in the youth program.

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are priests, which are I'm a priest corpsman

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advisor. So I work with the priests, but

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many like in many wards, we the priests

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about another 10 or so teachers. And then

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deacons. Right? Yeah. A huge, huge amount of

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deacons.

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brand new preschool adviser or someone just getting,

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youth, like, where's a good, like, first

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piece of advice that you would you would

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it it would be very much,

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just just love them and enjoy them where

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fit into any kind of mold.

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first got called as a as a young

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men's,

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I was working with these priests, and there

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was this one kid. He's

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great kid. Just really good kid. In fact,

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maybe a couple years ago now,

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and I see him every once in a

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while. He he he still follows me on

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on the socials.

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didn't like my approach. Right? I was very

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much trying to get him to be like,

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hey, man. Like, not that anything I was

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trying to get him to do was bad.

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It was very, very good, but the way

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just because I wanted him to do things

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a certain way, it's like, no, you gotta

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do it this way. You gotta do it

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this way. And really, that's not a great

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way to work with youth.

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Best way that I found to work with

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youth is is

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meet them where they're at. You love them

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to death. You, you know, you just wanna

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be with them and hang with them and

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and do stuff with them and and help

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them in any way you can and then

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present options.

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does. This is what an extraordinary

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youth does. And you do those two things.

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And, and magically, the spirit works in them

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and they start making those, you know, making

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those decisions as long as you have

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that relationship with them. Right? The relationship

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is number one. And so if I was

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to go back, that's definitely something that that

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I would, I would,

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tell myself,

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my younger self, hey. Focus on this. Don't

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worry about all this other stuff because, yeah,

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they're knuckleheads, man. So were you. Just remember

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that. Right. Yeah.

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mentioned this kid, in your current

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group that, you know, is focused on Legos

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and, you know Yeah. Maybe just a atypical.

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What like, how how do you go about

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that as far as meeting him where he's

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So, I mean, really, once again, the kid's

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so great. He's he's fantastic, and he won't

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he'll come up and he'll just start talking

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to me about whatever. And it's it's,

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you know, giving him the appropriate attention,

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you know, and just just

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listening to him. And then and then where

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I need to, try and redirect him a

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little bit, trying to redirect it back to

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Christ and focusing it back on Christ and

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just having those conversations

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that, you know, rather than

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just dismissing them or things like that. And

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sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it's like, okay, we

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have to move on, right? Like,

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we have

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to go on, so we have to actually

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stop him and just be straight with him.

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thoughts. We're going to move on now.

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change, you know, change kind of the trajectory.

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it, you know, no issue.

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I work with him. And sometimes it can

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be hard, especially in activities when, you know,

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he wants to do something else.

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But it's a good opportunity for the other

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boys who are not like that,

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to get exposure to that and

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remind them, like, hey,

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Christ

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is, like you know, Christ was

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you know, he loved

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the children. He loved,

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you know, these people that

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had these special, you know, special needs. They

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weren't whole. Right? And that's

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and and he loved them, and he was

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with them, and he did things for them.

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It's an opportunity to serve and an opportunity

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for those kids to also remember that.

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And sometimes I have to work with those

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kids

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to remind them of that because sometimes some

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of them can get in patient or they,

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you know, because they're,

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they want to go out and they just

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want to, you know, they want to hit

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like, they want to have a home run

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derby. This kid's not going to excel at

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a home run derby. He's going to excel

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at like, hey, let's make a YouTube video.

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Right? He thinks that's cool. Right? And so

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so trying to, you know, trying to switch

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things up and trying to help them think

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of others,

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as well kind of helps,

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helps the whole quorum become a little more

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unified and, you know, and we're still working

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on it. Right? We're all work in progress.

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We're all work in progress. So Yeah.

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Your first principle here, the power of sacrifice

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in youth leadership, where's a good, place to

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I think the biggest part, you know, the

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biggest part of of that,

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anybody who's gone on a high end pensioner

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for sure. But let me talk a little

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bit about back in February,

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my job,

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outsourced my position. And so I had to,

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so I, you know, and I had some

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runway, so, which was fine, but they outsourced

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my position, so I didn't have a job.

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And I was trying to figure out what

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am I going to do. And I felt

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very prompted to, Hey, I'm going to start

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my own business. I'm going to take the

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things that I've been doing and I'm going

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to just go with it. Right? And so

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I'm reading books, and I'm trying to figure

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out all these things, having lots of conversations.

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And

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the biggest thing is, you know, I sat

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down and I prayed and I prayed, and

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I said, Heavenly Father, what

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I need something. What do I do?

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And,

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and the Lord's answer to me was very

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clear. It was, You need to go serve.

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Go serve. Now, it's not going to be

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this way for everybody, but for me, it

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was, Go serve. And I said, How does

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that have to do with anything about feeding

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my family, paying my bills and all that

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stuff?

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And he said, Go serve. And so I

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put myself all in, right? And I,

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you know, I sacrificed time.

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I sacrificed,

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you know, that that time when I maybe

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could have been,

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working on some sort of project or making

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some sort of connection or something. And I,

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you know, I took the opportunity to serve,

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serve my, you know, serve in my calling,

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serve the youth. So I've been to youth

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conference. I've been to,

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I put together high adventure camp.

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And then I went I just got back

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from girls camp,

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just a couple days ago.

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And,

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magically, I was on a hike in the

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at High Adventure, the only place we had

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service, and I get this I get this

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text message like, hey. You know, that contract

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we were talking about, let's move forward with

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it. And I'm like,

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cool.

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Right?

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And,

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just things have fallen into place.

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Right? And so

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so I understand that it's it's hard, and

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it's a time commitment when you're working with

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youth. It's hard to do.

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But I also know that when you put

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your best effort, the Lord will make up

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the rest. If you have that faith, the

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Lord will take care of the rest, whether

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it's your family,

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your work,

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whatever. Right? Whatever situation you're in, he's very

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aware of you and knows you.

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He knows me. And if he knows me,

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he knows you. So I'm nobody super special.

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So jump into just the dynamics of High

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Adventure and, you know, as far as creating

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that spiritual impact there, how how you go

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about that?

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So the first high adventure or the second

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high adventure I went on, it was this

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in this ward in in Pleasant Grove, and

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it was it was really, really cool. And

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I've had and and to answer the question,

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I guess, directly is so I've had some

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really good mentors that have helped me,

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see

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how to do that.

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And it's always

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it's always going to be connected back to

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Christ. Whatever you're doing, right, connect it back

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to Christ, and you can,

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and you can you'll be amazed at what,

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you know, what the youth come up with.

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So went on a bike ride. It was

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a 300 mile bike ride. We went from

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Pleasant Grove all the way down to Lake

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Powell. Did it over a four day period.

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Super fun, extremely

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difficult.

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And then at the end, what what was

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hilarious is you think you get to Lake

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Powell, what do you do? You go into

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the water and you buy you know, get

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into the boat and every no. We did

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not do that. We got to Lake Powell.

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We stood on the shore for maybe an

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hour,

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played around in the water a little bit,

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and everybody's like, alright. Let's go home.

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Like, we didn't even vote or anything. We

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didn't even stay the other night. We just

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came home a whole day early, and the

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boys wanted to.

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And so we drive home. Is that right?

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We did. We drove home. Yeah. We drove

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home. So we drove home, and then we

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set up all of the that night's dinner

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and everything

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in the back, in the backyard of, one

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of the Bishop Brick's house. And, and we

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all just sat in a circle. And the

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Bishop's Bishop asked this one simple question.

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Why did we do this?

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Why do we do this all in why

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do we do this?

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And,

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and the boys just started

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bearing their testimonies

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about

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every part of the bike ride. It's like,

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well, I was really, really tired and done.

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And then, you know, brother so and so

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came up, and he rode with me, and

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and we talked, and it gave me the

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energy. And that's like, you know, like, what

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Jesus does, and and he you know, and

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and I can do that throughout my life,

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and here's how I can use and

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it's really, really cool

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to watch them do that. And then

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fast forward many, many years later,

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see a post on Facebook

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about Father's Day. And this one kid in

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the ward that he didn't his family life

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was not great.

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But he was on that bike ride, and

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he posts

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twelve years later

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about

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fathers in his life, and he posts

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a bunch of pictures from that bike ride.

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And talking about those people in his life

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that helped him,

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You know, it's just really, really cool. You

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just you just connect it back to Christ

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and ask them, how does that how does

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how does this connect back to Christ? And

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they will make connections.

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They will do it. They will think about

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it, and it can become a game

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almost, right? Because now it's like, okay, how

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do I, how do I do that? Right?

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How does, how does boating tie back to

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Jesus? How does,

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how does riding a bike tie back to

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Jesus?

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You know, the the so there's there's those,

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kind of opportunities. I do believe in doing

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hard things as well. Yep. So last year

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That's ambitious. 300 miles. Three I mean, I

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remember doing a 30 mile or bike ride

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as a young scout, you know, and

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that was like It requires some prep, man.

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You can't just hop on a bike and

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go. Right? But but that in itself has

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its own

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has its own kind of,

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gospel learning. Right? Yeah. Gospel gospel metaphor there,

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and and the preparation, which is which is

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great. And so

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whenever I do anything, I I try and

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put at least one activity in there that's

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gonna require us to do,

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do some physical

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preparation.

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Yeah. Let me ask as far as, like

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like, the this experience of, like, planning some

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of these high adventure and young men's camp

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and things, what what what is that process

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of doing that as far as identifying activities

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or the boys' involvement? Like, what's the general

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process that you seem to go through now?

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You know, I start talking to the boys

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typically,

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you know, September,

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October time frame and start

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laying down some ideas, some potential ideas. And

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I like to throw,

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you know, I like to throw some crazy

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stuff out there. Right? Hey. Let's,

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let's hike.

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Like, one of them was, hey. Let's hike

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here. Let's,

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let's

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summit

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the three

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highest

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peaks in Utah. Not highest, but, like, the

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mo with the most, like, altitude gain. Like,

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let's do that. I mean, they're they're all

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over the place. So you one's in Southern

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Utah, one's out way out west, Northern Utah,

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and then you got,

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Kings Peak,

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you know, in in, on the other side

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of Northern Utah.

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Anyway and so,

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you know, I start I start throwing those

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ideas out there just so that they can

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start getting a feel for what is possible.

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And then,

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if it's one that I think would be

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really, you know, really great, I kinda,

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I kinda push for it a little bit,

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and I I start to start to talk

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to some of the boys that have influence

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with the other boys. And I'm like, hey.

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You know, this would be really cool.

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And I I kinda, like, push, you know,

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push for that one. And then we come

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together,

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and we do a planning session. And and,

537
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honestly, my planning sessions aren't

538
00:19:31,384 --> 00:19:32,984
like, this one was kind of fun because

539
00:19:32,984 --> 00:19:34,309
we we did

540
00:19:34,609 --> 00:19:37,269
pizza. Like, we we we made pizzas,

541
00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:39,809
and then, and then we talked about what

542
00:19:39,809 --> 00:19:41,429
what do we wanna do for high adventure.

543
00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:43,750
And we kinda put stuff together

544
00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:46,289
then, all all of these different ideas, and

545
00:19:46,289 --> 00:19:48,130
they kinda come together and they start to

546
00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:50,555
one starts to kinda coalesce, and we start

547
00:19:50,555 --> 00:19:53,115
figuring that out. And then after we kinda

548
00:19:53,115 --> 00:19:55,035
have some sort of an idea of here's

549
00:19:55,035 --> 00:19:56,875
some of the here's some of the activities

550
00:19:56,875 --> 00:19:57,775
we wanna do,

551
00:19:58,394 --> 00:20:00,474
then we'll get to the presidency, and we'll

552
00:20:00,474 --> 00:20:02,734
bring the presidency in. So we'll bring the,

553
00:20:03,809 --> 00:20:05,490
if the bishop can come, we'll we'll have

554
00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:07,809
the bishop there. But if not, then it'll

555
00:20:07,809 --> 00:20:10,289
be the the assistants, and then the teacher's

556
00:20:10,289 --> 00:20:11,029
quorum presidency,

557
00:20:12,289 --> 00:20:14,069
will come if we're doing it together,

558
00:20:14,609 --> 00:20:16,690
for if we have the deacons quorum involved

559
00:20:16,690 --> 00:20:18,705
because we've done that before as well where

560
00:20:18,705 --> 00:20:19,525
we had deacons,

561
00:20:19,984 --> 00:20:21,924
involved and and we'll have them as well.

562
00:20:22,065 --> 00:20:24,484
And we get as many leaders as possible.

563
00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:28,484
We get those those presidency members because ultimately

564
00:20:28,545 --> 00:20:30,005
they're the ones with the keys,

565
00:20:30,849 --> 00:20:32,950
And we just start talking about and solidifying

566
00:20:33,089 --> 00:20:35,250
an idea and seeing what starts to feel

567
00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:35,750
good.

568
00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:38,769
And once we have something where it's like,

569
00:20:38,769 --> 00:20:41,169
hey, this feels good, it makes sense, we

570
00:20:41,169 --> 00:20:42,929
kind of plan it out, see what we

571
00:20:42,929 --> 00:20:45,029
can do based on where we're at

572
00:20:45,490 --> 00:20:47,775
and what from a timing perspective, what do

573
00:20:47,775 --> 00:20:49,134
we have to kind of throw out or

574
00:20:49,134 --> 00:20:49,954
choose between.

575
00:20:50,734 --> 00:20:51,954
And then we come back

576
00:20:52,255 --> 00:20:52,755
again

577
00:20:53,134 --> 00:20:55,454
and we start talking about that. And so

578
00:20:55,454 --> 00:20:56,674
we have a few meetings,

579
00:20:56,974 --> 00:20:59,309
in consecutive weeks to kind of get that,

580
00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:02,670
hammered out. And then once we have a

581
00:21:02,670 --> 00:21:05,470
good fleshed out plan and understand here's all

582
00:21:05,470 --> 00:21:06,990
the activities that we need to do in

583
00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:07,970
order to

584
00:21:08,509 --> 00:21:10,110
to prep for that, and then here's the

585
00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:11,870
activities that we're going to do on the

586
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:14,190
actual camp, this is where we're going to

587
00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:14,690
be,

588
00:21:15,105 --> 00:21:16,704
Then we take it and put it together

589
00:21:16,704 --> 00:21:18,164
and we take it to the parents.

590
00:21:18,545 --> 00:21:20,384
And we say, here's the weeks that we're

591
00:21:20,384 --> 00:21:21,285
thinking of.

592
00:21:21,825 --> 00:21:24,545
Here's the activities that we're doing. Here's the

593
00:21:24,545 --> 00:21:26,785
safety measures that we have in place to

594
00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:29,045
ensure your boys are safe and okay.

595
00:21:30,106 --> 00:21:30,606
And

596
00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:32,720
yeah. And then we just you know, we

597
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,320
lay that out, and we get the the

598
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,299
parent feedback.

599
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,400
And some will be like, I can't we

600
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,700
can't make it that week.

601
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,220
Others are like,

602
00:21:42,015 --> 00:21:44,494
no way we're we're going to that. Others

603
00:21:44,494 --> 00:21:46,414
are like, okay. Great. You know, why am

604
00:21:46,414 --> 00:21:48,494
I here? So we have, like, all that

605
00:21:48,494 --> 00:21:49,715
spectrum. Yeah.

606
00:21:50,494 --> 00:21:51,955
Very opinionated to,

607
00:21:53,134 --> 00:21:53,875
to to

608
00:21:54,255 --> 00:21:55,875
good. Take my kid. Please,

609
00:21:56,509 --> 00:21:57,089
You know?

610
00:21:57,789 --> 00:21:59,230
Let let him out of the house for

611
00:21:59,230 --> 00:22:01,309
for a week, please. Get him away from

612
00:22:01,309 --> 00:22:03,069
that screen. So you do get parents some

613
00:22:03,069 --> 00:22:04,750
parents that just sort of opt out of,

614
00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:06,990
like, yeah. We're we're busy that week, or

615
00:22:06,990 --> 00:22:09,149
I don't we don't really wanna do that.

616
00:22:09,149 --> 00:22:09,865
Or and

617
00:22:10,744 --> 00:22:12,365
Yeah. Yeah. So we've had

618
00:22:12,825 --> 00:22:15,464
we've had parents that that are like, I'm

619
00:22:15,464 --> 00:22:17,944
really concerned about that activity. I mean, this

620
00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:20,024
year, we had a parent really concerned because

621
00:22:20,024 --> 00:22:20,684
we planned

622
00:22:21,384 --> 00:22:23,144
we're gonna do a mountain we're gonna do

623
00:22:23,144 --> 00:22:24,524
a downhill mountain bike

624
00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:25,670
to

625
00:22:26,369 --> 00:22:29,330
so we stayed up at at, up American

626
00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:30,869
Fork Canyon. And

627
00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:32,769
up there, we're gonna be up way up

628
00:22:32,769 --> 00:22:34,529
at the top of the mountain. We're gonna

629
00:22:34,529 --> 00:22:36,230
do downhill mountain biking

630
00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:38,850
to the Provo River. We're gonna float the

631
00:22:38,850 --> 00:22:40,394
Provo River, and then we're gonna

632
00:22:41,515 --> 00:22:44,015
go ride you know, we'll we'll drive up

633
00:22:44,394 --> 00:22:44,894
to,

634
00:22:46,315 --> 00:22:49,295
to the beginning of the trail for Timpanogos,

635
00:22:49,515 --> 00:22:51,434
and then we're gonna hike up. We're gonna

636
00:22:51,434 --> 00:22:53,434
camp in the meadow and then do a

637
00:22:53,434 --> 00:22:56,095
sunrise hike the following day up to the,

638
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,000
up to the peak. And and we had

639
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,299
a parent that was like,

640
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320
yeah. That's that's way too much. There's no

641
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,160
way that that you got you know, that

642
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,680
I'm gonna have my kid go on that.

643
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,519
And so we talked about it as a

644
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,920
presidency, and the presidency ultimately was like, you

645
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,840
know what? Yeah. Let's let's not do that.

646
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,035
Let's switch it up.

647
00:23:13,734 --> 00:23:15,115
And so we did. Right?

648
00:23:15,414 --> 00:23:16,934
Now do I think that they could do

649
00:23:16,934 --> 00:23:18,934
it? Yeah. Do I think it's gonna be

650
00:23:18,934 --> 00:23:19,434
hard?

651
00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:21,654
Yeah. It's gonna be hard. It would be

652
00:23:21,654 --> 00:23:23,095
a whole heck of a lot of fun.

653
00:23:23,095 --> 00:23:24,934
We still had a good time. We're still

654
00:23:24,934 --> 00:23:26,855
able to connect it back to Christ. It

655
00:23:26,855 --> 00:23:28,429
really at the end of the day, that

656
00:23:28,429 --> 00:23:31,089
was my opinion and not, you know, not

657
00:23:31,390 --> 00:23:31,890
not

658
00:23:32,349 --> 00:23:32,849
necessary.

659
00:23:33,309 --> 00:23:35,710
Yeah. But I'm gonna push these boys because

660
00:23:35,710 --> 00:23:37,650
I I think that as you push them,

661
00:23:39,869 --> 00:23:40,769
they find,

662
00:23:42,065 --> 00:23:43,825
you know, they find the miracles, and they

663
00:23:43,825 --> 00:23:44,325
connect

664
00:23:44,785 --> 00:23:45,285
with,

665
00:23:45,984 --> 00:23:48,625
you know, with with Christ. And I have

666
00:23:48,625 --> 00:23:51,045
a great story about where that where

667
00:23:52,065 --> 00:23:54,005
even I was a little scared. But

668
00:23:54,785 --> 00:23:55,285
yeah.

669
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,700
That's when that's the sweet spot. Right? When

670
00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,859
you get a little bit nervous on the

671
00:23:59,859 --> 00:24:00,759
on the experience,

672
00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:02,900
then that's the sweet spot. Right? You got

673
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:04,519
it. And that's interesting,

674
00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:07,539
you know, just with sort of this encouragement

675
00:24:07,539 --> 00:24:09,384
to let the boys lead and do the

676
00:24:09,384 --> 00:24:12,664
thing. And sometimes there's all sorts of content

677
00:24:12,664 --> 00:24:14,924
in the Leading Saints community about this, about,

678
00:24:14,984 --> 00:24:16,285
you know, overstepping

679
00:24:16,664 --> 00:24:18,744
our influence there or not helping enough, and

680
00:24:18,744 --> 00:24:21,545
where's the the nice balance there. Because you

681
00:24:21,545 --> 00:24:23,565
don't wanna turn over too much of the,

682
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:24,779
of the

683
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,700
ideation or the,

684
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,559
planning or because then maybe they'll go a

685
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:31,559
little little too soft. Right? And it's in

686
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,640
these experiences that are a little bit difficult

687
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,980
where some great development and transformation

688
00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:38,025
can happen. Right? And so Yeah.

689
00:24:38,585 --> 00:24:40,184
I I can tell, like, in this, you're

690
00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:41,625
you're always sort of trying to push the

691
00:24:41,625 --> 00:24:44,184
envelope and encourage them and challenge them and

692
00:24:44,184 --> 00:24:44,684
and,

693
00:24:45,945 --> 00:24:47,625
because that's where a lot of transformation will

694
00:24:47,625 --> 00:24:48,125
happen.

695
00:24:48,664 --> 00:24:50,840
Yeah. Exactly. And and and and it it

696
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,759
does. Right? I've seen it. So I talk

697
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,039
about you know, I did a two I

698
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,279
did a 300 mile bike ride. That one

699
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:56,440
was

700
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,920
that that that Ward had been doing that

701
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,160
300 mile bike ride for every four years

702
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,025
for twenty years straight. And so I wasn't

703
00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:06,484
gonna be messing with that.

704
00:25:07,424 --> 00:25:09,345
But I took that same idea and I

705
00:25:09,345 --> 00:25:10,244
took it to a,

706
00:25:12,304 --> 00:25:14,005
to a ward in Texas.

707
00:25:14,704 --> 00:25:16,224
And I talked to some of the boys

708
00:25:16,224 --> 00:25:17,825
and got them hyped, and they were all

709
00:25:17,825 --> 00:25:20,059
about, like, yeah, this is gonna be epic.

710
00:25:20,059 --> 00:25:21,820
Like, this is gonna that we're gonna have

711
00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:24,619
stories to tell. This is like, nobody's gonna

712
00:25:24,619 --> 00:25:26,059
do this. I'm gonna do I'm gonna be

713
00:25:26,059 --> 00:25:26,559
extraordinary.

714
00:25:27,019 --> 00:25:29,359
Because, honestly, all of us wanna be

715
00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:33,600
extraordinary and different, especially, like, teenage teenage boys.

716
00:25:33,884 --> 00:25:35,585
They want to be unique.

717
00:25:36,045 --> 00:25:36,285
Yeah.

718
00:25:37,005 --> 00:25:39,005
And they wanna do unique things. And so

719
00:25:39,005 --> 00:25:41,005
you wanna try and convince them to do

720
00:25:41,005 --> 00:25:43,805
something that's that's hard. Just focus on all

721
00:25:43,805 --> 00:25:45,724
of the stuff that's like, hey. Look at

722
00:25:45,724 --> 00:25:46,945
how cool this is.

723
00:25:47,710 --> 00:25:49,230
And then by the way, this is gonna

724
00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:51,069
be hard, but look at how cool this

725
00:25:51,069 --> 00:25:52,750
is. And then they're like, yeah, I wanna

726
00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:53,409
do that.

727
00:25:54,669 --> 00:25:55,950
But anyway, I did it. I did it

728
00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:58,269
with them and they owned it and they

729
00:25:58,269 --> 00:26:00,509
owned it. Those boys, they showed up. I

730
00:26:00,509 --> 00:26:02,984
said, hey, we're gonna do Saturday rides every

731
00:26:02,984 --> 00:26:05,545
Saturday from this time till June when we

732
00:26:05,545 --> 00:26:08,105
leave. We're gonna and we're gonna increase. And

733
00:26:08,105 --> 00:26:11,065
by golly, those guys, you know, 70% of

734
00:26:11,065 --> 00:26:14,204
them showed up every single week,

735
00:26:14,505 --> 00:26:16,505
every single, you know, every single week. At

736
00:26:16,505 --> 00:26:18,390
least 70% of them were showing up for

737
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:19,210
those rides.

738
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:21,590
And, we would ride and we would ride

739
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:22,950
and we would ride and get longer and

740
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:24,470
longer and longer. And by the time we

741
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:26,090
got to the to the actual,

742
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:29,349
ride, it was like, yeah, we're gonna do

743
00:26:29,349 --> 00:26:31,029
this. You know, no big deal. They're all

744
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:33,315
prepped. They're ready physically. I knew that everybody

745
00:26:33,315 --> 00:26:34,134
can make it.

746
00:26:34,835 --> 00:26:36,434
And they I mean, they killed it, but

747
00:26:36,434 --> 00:26:37,095
that preparation

748
00:26:37,555 --> 00:26:38,055
was

749
00:26:38,755 --> 00:26:40,595
key. It was so key. But that was

750
00:26:40,595 --> 00:26:42,595
really cool because they owned it. Right? They

751
00:26:42,595 --> 00:26:44,115
owned it. It wasn't me pushing them. It

752
00:26:44,115 --> 00:26:45,955
was just me giving them an opportunity, said,

753
00:26:45,955 --> 00:26:48,240
k. I'll be riding every single week.

754
00:26:48,619 --> 00:26:50,000
This is the time we're meeting.

755
00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:52,619
Anybody who's gonna join me, like, this is

756
00:26:52,619 --> 00:26:54,700
what we're gonna do. And so we did.

757
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:56,059
And the only time I would make an

758
00:26:56,059 --> 00:26:58,220
announcement is if for whatever reason, hey. We

759
00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:00,240
have a holiday on on that Saturday.

760
00:27:00,605 --> 00:27:02,765
We're not gonna do it that particular Saturday.

761
00:27:02,765 --> 00:27:04,924
Right? That was it. Otherwise, we're going on

762
00:27:04,924 --> 00:27:06,684
a ride, and we're meeting in my house

763
00:27:06,684 --> 00:27:07,505
at this time.

764
00:27:07,964 --> 00:27:10,445
Yeah. And that's in addition to the the

765
00:27:10,445 --> 00:27:12,625
typical weekly activity that you're having.

766
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,519
Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Well, that's great. I

767
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:16,019
mean,

768
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,159
do do you find I mean, I bet

769
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:20,159
some are you know, have busy lives. It's

770
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,220
maybe the preparation

771
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:23,679
isn't as easy, and then when the day

772
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:26,400
comes, they're not as physically prepared to to

773
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:26,880
do it. Or

774
00:27:27,634 --> 00:27:29,014
Yeah. Yeah. It's true.

775
00:27:29,634 --> 00:27:30,134
And

776
00:27:30,434 --> 00:27:31,794
so, you know, in this

777
00:27:32,674 --> 00:27:34,674
so for the bike rides, we prepare for

778
00:27:34,674 --> 00:27:37,075
that. We have we have cars that kind

779
00:27:37,075 --> 00:27:39,474
of leapfrog each other so that the boys

780
00:27:39,474 --> 00:27:41,154
can go from car you know, from one

781
00:27:41,154 --> 00:27:42,779
point to another point. And if they're like,

782
00:27:42,779 --> 00:27:44,059
hey, I'm done. I need a rest. They

783
00:27:44,059 --> 00:27:45,740
can hop in the truck. Right? And they

784
00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:47,279
can and they can go.

785
00:27:48,059 --> 00:27:50,059
This last year, I was really worried about

786
00:27:50,059 --> 00:27:51,519
our our hike up temp

787
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:53,119
because I knew some boys,

788
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:54,539
they weren't

789
00:27:55,384 --> 00:27:56,904
they they just wouldn't be able to make

790
00:27:56,904 --> 00:27:57,305
it. They

791
00:27:57,945 --> 00:28:00,365
so what what we did was we we

792
00:28:00,825 --> 00:28:01,465
had a,

793
00:28:02,184 --> 00:28:03,965
saw, we had a

794
00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:05,884
a coach,

795
00:28:06,825 --> 00:28:08,684
a nutrition and and,

796
00:28:11,069 --> 00:28:13,230
physical, like, you know, like a like a

797
00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:15,950
physical coach come in that said, hey, here's

798
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:17,390
your work. And he gave us workouts and

799
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:18,829
said, here's your workouts that you need to

800
00:28:18,829 --> 00:28:20,909
do, and here's the diets that you guys

801
00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:22,349
need to be on in order to prep

802
00:28:22,349 --> 00:28:23,009
for this.

803
00:28:23,785 --> 00:28:25,785
And so we did stuff like that. And

804
00:28:25,785 --> 00:28:27,785
then we went on hikes to prepare. So,

805
00:28:27,785 --> 00:28:30,265
and the hikes got progressively longer each, you

806
00:28:30,265 --> 00:28:32,125
know, each hike to kind of help,

807
00:28:33,065 --> 00:28:35,545
help them get acclimated. Now, once again, not

808
00:28:35,545 --> 00:28:37,964
everybody showed up, not everybody came.

809
00:28:38,309 --> 00:28:40,230
And so what we planned on top of

810
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:42,710
that is from a safety perspective, I said,

811
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:44,090
k. I need to have,

812
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:47,610
you know, six liters on this hike.

813
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:48,570
K?

814
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:51,509
And the six liters were so that if

815
00:28:51,509 --> 00:28:54,005
one boy decides I'm out. Right? Because a

816
00:28:54,005 --> 00:28:55,444
hike is one of those things where it's

817
00:28:55,444 --> 00:28:57,524
like you can't get in a car, right?

818
00:28:57,524 --> 00:29:00,005
Either somebody's gonna come pick you up in

819
00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:02,804
a helicopter or something like that, or you're

820
00:29:02,964 --> 00:29:05,125
you know, but more likely than anything, you're

821
00:29:05,125 --> 00:29:06,264
walking out, right?

822
00:29:06,644 --> 00:29:08,184
Going on the hike is optional.

823
00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:10,690
Hiking out is mandatory.

824
00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:12,369
Mhmm. And so,

825
00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:15,710
and so we had we had essentially in

826
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:17,090
my mind, I had three groups.

827
00:29:18,509 --> 00:29:21,170
So six leaders and three groups of boys

828
00:29:21,309 --> 00:29:23,070
at any given point. If the boys are

829
00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:24,595
like, I can't go any further, It's like,

830
00:29:24,595 --> 00:29:27,555
okay, cool. Two leaders and either the one

831
00:29:27,555 --> 00:29:30,195
boy or multiple boys turn around and go

832
00:29:30,195 --> 00:29:32,355
back and the rest of us can continue

833
00:29:32,355 --> 00:29:35,075
onward. And then once again, something else happens.

834
00:29:35,075 --> 00:29:37,795
I I'm done, which happened. Right? We got

835
00:29:37,795 --> 00:29:39,509
up to the meadow and there was a

836
00:29:39,589 --> 00:29:41,670
big, huge group. They were like, I can't

837
00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:43,670
go any further. And there was a smaller

838
00:29:43,670 --> 00:29:46,329
group, one boy and the two leaders that

839
00:29:46,390 --> 00:29:48,230
went up. We got we made it up

840
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:49,829
to the saddle before it was getting too

841
00:29:49,829 --> 00:29:51,829
dark, before saying, hey, we're we're not gonna

842
00:29:51,829 --> 00:29:53,849
go up any further just for safety reasons.

843
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:54,730
But

844
00:29:55,625 --> 00:29:56,424
then we came back.

845
00:29:58,184 --> 00:29:59,865
And so you plan for that kind of

846
00:29:59,865 --> 00:30:01,724
stuff in in in advance.

847
00:30:02,264 --> 00:30:04,984
What's cool though what's the the coolest part

848
00:30:04,984 --> 00:30:06,524
is that it doesn't matter

849
00:30:06,825 --> 00:30:08,345
if they make it to the end or

850
00:30:08,345 --> 00:30:08,845
not.

851
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:09,779
Right?

852
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,420
There is, once again, a huge metaphor

853
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,380
of

854
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,799
we can do all we can, and each

855
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,400
one of us is gonna give our all.

856
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,400
And our all might be two miles into

857
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,484
the hike. Our all might be five miles

858
00:30:22,484 --> 00:30:24,644
into the hike. Our all might be the

859
00:30:24,644 --> 00:30:25,865
whole entire hike.

860
00:30:27,684 --> 00:30:29,845
But no matter what, our all is our

861
00:30:29,845 --> 00:30:31,945
all, and Christ can make up the difference.

862
00:30:32,005 --> 00:30:34,005
Right? And that's a that's something that you

863
00:30:34,085 --> 00:30:35,819
we can talk to the boys about. Like,

864
00:30:35,819 --> 00:30:38,539
you can be proud of everything you gave

865
00:30:38,539 --> 00:30:40,319
because you gave all you could.

866
00:30:41,579 --> 00:30:43,980
And so, you know, the actual activity doesn't

867
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:46,619
necessarily matter. Once again, it's pointing them back

868
00:30:46,619 --> 00:30:48,640
to Christ that I found the most success.

869
00:30:49,099 --> 00:30:50,880
And then it also makes it less

870
00:30:51,855 --> 00:30:53,775
less of a a letdown if if something

871
00:30:53,775 --> 00:30:56,654
doesn't go according to plan because it's like,

872
00:30:56,654 --> 00:30:59,315
there's a great opportunity to teach these boys

873
00:31:00,095 --> 00:31:02,355
what happens when things don't

874
00:31:02,654 --> 00:31:06,255
work. Yeah. Because that's gonna be, like, 90%

875
00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:08,700
of life. You're gonna have to pivot. Right?

876
00:31:08,919 --> 00:31:09,900
Yep. Yep.

877
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,380
Awesome. And any any,

878
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:14,440
and so it sounds like, I mean, you

879
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,299
you I I appreciate just pushing

880
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,240
for these really hard things. And then as

881
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,720
you're doing these things, looking for those those

882
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,220
lessons,

883
00:31:22,679 --> 00:31:25,294
the life lessons, the gospel lessons that kinda

884
00:31:25,294 --> 00:31:25,794
orient

885
00:31:26,174 --> 00:31:28,014
them to Christ. Right? Is there anything else

886
00:31:28,014 --> 00:31:30,355
about just your overall approach to

887
00:31:32,335 --> 00:31:34,734
to high adventure that would be worth mentioning

888
00:31:34,734 --> 00:31:36,509
that we haven't we haven't touched on?

889
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:41,470
You know, just the just the once again,

890
00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:44,029
like, the activities, if the boys decide, hey.

891
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:45,710
They wanna have a they wanna have a

892
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:47,549
movie night or a video game night or

893
00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:50,029
whatever, how about how about high adventure? Cool,

894
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:50,930
man. Great.

895
00:31:52,884 --> 00:31:54,804
You know, I think that I think that

896
00:31:54,804 --> 00:31:56,345
having a whole host

897
00:31:57,285 --> 00:32:00,404
of activities. Right? I love I personally love

898
00:32:00,404 --> 00:32:02,884
the really hard ones. Right? Personally, me, I

899
00:32:02,884 --> 00:32:04,724
I Mhmm. Like, I'm pushing for the bike

900
00:32:04,724 --> 00:32:06,724
ride every single year. I'm telling them, like,

901
00:32:06,724 --> 00:32:08,329
one of these years, I'm gonna get you

902
00:32:08,329 --> 00:32:09,769
guys. You guys are gonna be like, yeah.

903
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:11,150
Let's do the bike ride.

904
00:32:12,569 --> 00:32:14,650
But but if they don't choose that, that's

905
00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:17,130
fine. Right? This this last year, we we

906
00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:19,769
went boating. We floated the river, and we

907
00:32:19,769 --> 00:32:20,670
hiked temp.

908
00:32:22,365 --> 00:32:23,265
You know,

909
00:32:23,724 --> 00:32:25,644
those those three activity and that's that's really

910
00:32:25,724 --> 00:32:27,644
that's that was it. That was all we

911
00:32:27,644 --> 00:32:28,625
really did.

912
00:32:29,724 --> 00:32:31,005
And then the rest of the times, we

913
00:32:31,005 --> 00:32:33,884
we played games. We had movie nights where

914
00:32:33,884 --> 00:32:35,804
we watched we watched these movies up on

915
00:32:35,804 --> 00:32:37,404
the side of our trailer. We you know,

916
00:32:37,404 --> 00:32:39,579
I pulled out the projector and we had

917
00:32:39,579 --> 00:32:41,380
a little battery powered thing we could plug

918
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:43,319
it into. And we watched, you know, downloaded

919
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:44,259
a movie off of my,

920
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,859
or onto my phone and and let them

921
00:32:47,859 --> 00:32:49,299
go to town and just had, you know,

922
00:32:49,299 --> 00:32:51,059
had a good time watching that, you know,

923
00:32:51,059 --> 00:32:52,039
watching that movie,

924
00:32:52,494 --> 00:32:53,474
up in the wilderness.

925
00:32:54,255 --> 00:32:56,255
And then we played games for a lot

926
00:32:56,255 --> 00:32:58,494
of it and just being there, right? And

927
00:32:58,494 --> 00:33:01,154
hitting all of those different aspects of,

928
00:33:02,095 --> 00:33:04,255
oh, we did temple and service. Sorry. That

929
00:33:04,255 --> 00:33:05,980
was the other thing that we did. That's

930
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:07,419
another cool thing. And I'll tell you, let

931
00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:08,640
me tell you about that.

932
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:11,579
But anyway, just kind of having those variety

933
00:33:11,579 --> 00:33:12,240
of activities

934
00:33:12,859 --> 00:33:14,559
is also a really good way,

935
00:33:15,179 --> 00:33:18,640
because, you know, he, Jesus grew in stature

936
00:33:19,345 --> 00:33:21,585
in in in mind, and, you know, the

937
00:33:21,585 --> 00:33:23,445
scripture that they use for the the,

938
00:33:24,144 --> 00:33:24,865
the youth,

939
00:33:25,265 --> 00:33:27,285
program. Right? All the different pillars.

940
00:33:27,585 --> 00:33:28,865
You know, if we hit all of those

941
00:33:28,865 --> 00:33:29,684
different pillars.

942
00:33:29,985 --> 00:33:30,485
Yeah.

943
00:33:31,025 --> 00:33:32,325
Another thing that,

944
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:36,250
that I would recommend is is make it

945
00:33:36,250 --> 00:33:37,309
a kind of a production.

946
00:33:37,609 --> 00:33:39,609
Okay? I know this sounds kinda weird, but

947
00:33:39,609 --> 00:33:41,049
make it a little bit of a production.

948
00:33:41,049 --> 00:33:41,869
Little little

949
00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:43,789
thematic, dramatic.

950
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:44,750
Mhmm.

951
00:33:48,105 --> 00:33:48,924
So this year,

952
00:33:49,225 --> 00:33:49,725
we

953
00:33:50,105 --> 00:33:51,644
we you know, the the presidency

954
00:33:52,184 --> 00:33:53,945
because we were gonna do some service, and

955
00:33:53,945 --> 00:33:55,384
I said, hey, it would be really cool

956
00:33:55,384 --> 00:33:57,245
to get prepared for this service

957
00:33:58,025 --> 00:33:59,805
if we asked for

958
00:34:01,150 --> 00:34:04,230
if we started looking or asking in our

959
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:06,410
prayers for opportunities to serve.

960
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:08,809
Because our service activity was,

961
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:11,429
we're gonna pray at a park, and then

962
00:34:11,429 --> 00:34:13,190
we're just gonna walk around a neighborhood, and

963
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:14,570
we're gonna knock on doors,

964
00:34:15,855 --> 00:34:17,795
and we're gonna find somebody to serve.

965
00:34:18,735 --> 00:34:20,275
And it would I've done this

966
00:34:20,894 --> 00:34:22,894
two or three times now, and every single

967
00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:24,894
time actually, three times. I've done it three

968
00:34:24,894 --> 00:34:25,394
times.

969
00:34:26,255 --> 00:34:27,394
Every single time,

970
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,340
miracles happen without a doubt.

971
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,039
Without a doubt, we just they pray and

972
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,200
they just go around knocking on doors, and

973
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,619
and they find people who needed our service

974
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,900
right at that moment.

975
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,599
And it's been really cool. So, you know,

976
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,525
so anyways so, yeah, that's there's an idea

977
00:34:44,525 --> 00:34:46,444
for anybody who who's out there. Really cool

978
00:34:46,444 --> 00:34:48,364
idea. But but making a little, you know,

979
00:34:48,364 --> 00:34:50,605
thematic, maybe a little dramatic and stuff, we

980
00:34:50,605 --> 00:34:52,684
also did like, I I got plates, brass

981
00:34:52,684 --> 00:34:53,184
plates,

982
00:34:53,565 --> 00:34:54,444
and I had,

983
00:34:55,179 --> 00:34:57,739
I had the state presidency, the bishop brick.

984
00:34:57,739 --> 00:34:59,659
We had two we had a changeover of

985
00:34:59,659 --> 00:35:01,099
bishop bricks. So we had two two different

986
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:02,780
bishop bricks in there, and all the leaders

987
00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:05,420
write our testimonies in these brass plates. And

988
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:06,940
I went up on this hike that we

989
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:08,880
did. It's almost like a little faith walk.

990
00:35:09,434 --> 00:35:11,835
And, I buried these plates in the ground,

991
00:35:11,835 --> 00:35:13,594
put a little box in the ground, you

992
00:35:13,594 --> 00:35:15,195
know, like a like a like a a

993
00:35:15,195 --> 00:35:17,195
stone, like made it out of stones or

994
00:35:17,195 --> 00:35:18,735
rocks or whatever was up there,

995
00:35:19,195 --> 00:35:20,715
and buried it and then put a rock

996
00:35:20,715 --> 00:35:21,994
around it just like, you know, kinda like

997
00:35:21,994 --> 00:35:23,775
a Joseph Smith type type experience.

998
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:26,159
And then they would then we did an

999
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,820
orienteering course, and each each part of that,

1000
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,079
built on on itself to where at the

1001
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,480
end, you know, they went on this treasure

1002
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,675
hunt, and they found the treasure. And the

1003
00:35:38,675 --> 00:35:40,135
treasure were those testimonies.

1004
00:35:41,074 --> 00:35:43,094
And it was such a cool experience,

1005
00:35:44,914 --> 00:35:47,155
when you put in that just that little

1006
00:35:47,155 --> 00:35:49,655
extra effort. Right? That little extra effort

1007
00:35:50,034 --> 00:35:52,275
makes a huge difference because we had a

1008
00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:53,414
boy up there that

1009
00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:56,989
he he needs you know, he he's struggling.

1010
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:58,829
But his testimony

1011
00:35:59,450 --> 00:36:01,869
was like, he shared he was very vulnerable,

1012
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:03,869
and he shared some really

1013
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:04,670
cool

1014
00:36:05,769 --> 00:36:07,070
emotions up there,

1015
00:36:08,215 --> 00:36:09,974
as part of that. Right? Because it built

1016
00:36:09,974 --> 00:36:11,574
up to it. Anyway, it was really cool.

1017
00:36:11,574 --> 00:36:13,574
So Yeah. Yeah. Put that little extra effort

1018
00:36:13,574 --> 00:36:14,934
in. That's the only thing I guess I

1019
00:36:14,934 --> 00:36:16,454
would add. Yeah. And those are the moments

1020
00:36:16,454 --> 00:36:17,974
you just you're praying for. Right? And it's

1021
00:36:17,974 --> 00:36:19,894
hard to manufacture them, but, again, you can

1022
00:36:19,894 --> 00:36:22,215
be as intentional as possible, and hopefully, they

1023
00:36:22,375 --> 00:36:23,034
that happens.

1024
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:26,610
Let's see. Richard asked the following.

1025
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:27,969
He says,

1026
00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:30,910
with the priest age boys being so busy

1027
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:33,230
with school, sports, and work, how do you

1028
00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:33,730
handle

1029
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:36,190
when only two or three boys show up,

1030
00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:38,210
especially when you're planning big activities?

1031
00:36:38,525 --> 00:36:39,184
Any thoughts,

1032
00:36:39,644 --> 00:36:40,144
Kevin?

1033
00:36:40,925 --> 00:36:43,985
Man. Yeah. Yeah. Deal with the same thing.

1034
00:36:45,085 --> 00:36:46,925
So how do I handle it? So we

1035
00:36:46,925 --> 00:36:49,025
just we just plow forward. We keep going.

1036
00:36:49,244 --> 00:36:49,724
Yeah.

1037
00:36:50,125 --> 00:36:51,885
We don't we don't give up. We just

1038
00:36:51,885 --> 00:36:54,199
we just keep, you you know, we keep

1039
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:54,699
going.

1040
00:36:56,359 --> 00:36:58,440
And and if if they're, you know, if

1041
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,119
there was, you know, we have some boys

1042
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:01,579
that are really into sports,

1043
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,699
some guys that, yeah, they're, you know, they

1044
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,599
are doing school. Maybe some of them are

1045
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,359
doing school at night or or whatever they

1046
00:37:08,359 --> 00:37:08,859
work.

1047
00:37:09,454 --> 00:37:11,474
Yeah. It's it it can be hard.

1048
00:37:15,295 --> 00:37:17,695
But, you know, you just you try. You

1049
00:37:17,695 --> 00:37:19,855
try your hardest to to get them. You

1050
00:37:19,855 --> 00:37:22,594
know, you plan these activities, and then you

1051
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,480
work with these boys one on one. It's

1052
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,619
more about the relationship.

1053
00:37:27,799 --> 00:37:30,219
So this last year, I had two,

1054
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,019
two young men that

1055
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,139
great kids

1056
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,039
that but they're like, oh, I got football.

1057
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:37,559
I got football. I got football. And I'm

1058
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:39,905
like, but do you have football, really? I

1059
00:37:39,905 --> 00:37:41,664
mean, I know you have football, but do

1060
00:37:41,664 --> 00:37:42,804
you have to be there,

1061
00:37:43,105 --> 00:37:44,945
or are you choosing to be there over

1062
00:37:44,945 --> 00:37:46,784
this? And so I went over to their

1063
00:37:46,784 --> 00:37:48,565
house, and I just knocked on their door.

1064
00:37:49,344 --> 00:37:51,344
And it was the night before youth conference.

1065
00:37:51,344 --> 00:37:52,690
I'm like, hey. You guys come into youth

1066
00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:54,530
conference? You're gonna come to youth conference tomorrow?

1067
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:55,269
And they're like,

1068
00:37:55,809 --> 00:37:56,710
I got football.

1069
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:59,650
And then I just I literally spent an

1070
00:37:59,650 --> 00:38:00,710
hour and a half

1071
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:05,170
at night. It's like 09:00 at night when

1072
00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:06,764
I knock on the door. It's not it's

1073
00:38:06,764 --> 00:38:09,244
not it's 10:30 before I get home, and

1074
00:38:09,244 --> 00:38:10,844
I have to get up at, like, four

1075
00:38:10,844 --> 00:38:12,784
in the morning. Right? Anyway and so

1076
00:38:13,085 --> 00:38:15,264
so I knock on this door, and then

1077
00:38:15,885 --> 00:38:17,565
he starts talking to me, and this young

1078
00:38:17,565 --> 00:38:19,650
man starts talking to me. And then I

1079
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:21,250
come he invites me into his house, and

1080
00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:23,089
I walk into his house. Then he calls

1081
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:25,089
the guy that's across the street, by the

1082
00:38:25,089 --> 00:38:25,589
way.

1083
00:38:25,889 --> 00:38:28,130
And he's FaceTiming him, and he's talking to

1084
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:30,449
him. And and then he go then we

1085
00:38:30,449 --> 00:38:33,029
go downstairs, and and over time,

1086
00:38:34,324 --> 00:38:36,324
he's like they're, like, warming up to this

1087
00:38:36,324 --> 00:38:38,005
idea. And we're talking about all kinds of

1088
00:38:38,005 --> 00:38:39,924
stuff. Like, we first start talking about youth

1089
00:38:39,924 --> 00:38:41,944
conference, and then we start talking about

1090
00:38:43,284 --> 00:38:45,125
we'd start talking about football, and then we

1091
00:38:45,125 --> 00:38:46,964
start talking about girls. I mean, I made

1092
00:38:46,964 --> 00:38:49,464
a whole entire trip around their world

1093
00:38:51,809 --> 00:38:53,650
of what's going on. I ended up we

1094
00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:55,569
we they had they grabbed this kid grabbed

1095
00:38:55,569 --> 00:38:56,789
a mango out of his

1096
00:38:57,089 --> 00:38:58,529
out of his kitchen, and then he's like,

1097
00:38:58,529 --> 00:38:59,889
hey. Let's go talk to, you know, let's

1098
00:38:59,889 --> 00:39:01,170
go talk to the other kid. So we

1099
00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:03,010
would go across the street and we knock

1100
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:03,909
on his door,

1101
00:39:04,635 --> 00:39:06,315
even though he told us don't come over,

1102
00:39:06,315 --> 00:39:08,155
like, we knock on his door anyways because

1103
00:39:08,155 --> 00:39:09,675
that's that's how this one kid is. He's

1104
00:39:09,675 --> 00:39:11,515
just like, I'm gonna do it. So he

1105
00:39:11,515 --> 00:39:13,515
goes and and and we're talking about once

1106
00:39:13,515 --> 00:39:15,434
again, we're talking about baseball. We're talking about

1107
00:39:15,434 --> 00:39:17,195
all this stuff. Nothing to do with youth

1108
00:39:17,195 --> 00:39:17,695
conference.

1109
00:39:18,635 --> 00:39:19,275
And then,

1110
00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:21,900
by the end of that hour and a

1111
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:22,400
half,

1112
00:39:22,699 --> 00:39:24,159
they're like, okay. We'll go.

1113
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:28,960
Nice. Yeah. Great. Cool. So so literally just

1114
00:39:29,019 --> 00:39:29,260
just

1115
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:32,460
I mean, it it can be kinda hard,

1116
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:33,119
I know,

1117
00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:33,920
but

1118
00:39:34,315 --> 00:39:36,394
they need a balance in their life. Right?

1119
00:39:36,394 --> 00:39:38,635
And push for that balance. Ultimately, it's their

1120
00:39:38,635 --> 00:39:39,135
decision,

1121
00:39:39,675 --> 00:39:42,094
but the relationship that you have with them

1122
00:39:42,554 --> 00:39:43,934
is really, really important.

1123
00:39:44,315 --> 00:39:44,715
Yeah.

1124
00:39:45,195 --> 00:39:47,054
And it's not about the numbers.

1125
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,299
I remember doing activities as a youth,

1126
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:51,880
and I was the only one that showed

1127
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,799
up. We had a whole we had one,

1128
00:39:53,799 --> 00:39:55,639
and this wouldn't fly today, but I had

1129
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:57,019
my leader and myself.

1130
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,480
Mhmm. And we would go and just talk.

1131
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,480
We'd run over to a store. We'd sit

1132
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,315
down, get an ice cream, and just chat

1133
00:40:03,315 --> 00:40:05,734
just chat. Right? We just talk about life.

1134
00:40:06,675 --> 00:40:09,255
But that relationship is is really, really important.

1135
00:40:09,394 --> 00:40:11,234
So that's what I would recommend. And I

1136
00:40:11,234 --> 00:40:12,934
appreciate that concept of just,

1137
00:40:13,635 --> 00:40:17,315
recognizing that these often sound like really valid

1138
00:40:17,315 --> 00:40:19,920
excuses, and they're they're not like smokescreens. Like,

1139
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,199
they're they're not just saying it to say

1140
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,139
it because they don't really wanna go. But,

1141
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,980
when you really

1142
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,359
engage with them and try and push through

1143
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:27,859
those,

1144
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:28,880
it's,

1145
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,000
it's encouraging. You know? And and Yeah. And

1146
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,739
it's amazing

1147
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:33,699
what

1148
00:40:34,184 --> 00:40:35,625
how how they'll shift and say, you know

1149
00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:37,224
what? Maybe I can make time for that.

1150
00:40:37,224 --> 00:40:39,405
You know? Yeah. So Yeah. Cool.

1151
00:40:40,425 --> 00:40:42,985
Awesome. Any other point, principle, concept you wanna

1152
00:40:42,985 --> 00:40:44,445
make sure we we include,

1153
00:40:44,985 --> 00:40:47,130
before wrap up? Or how do we do,

1154
00:40:47,309 --> 00:40:49,050
Skyler? Yeah. So,

1155
00:40:49,429 --> 00:40:49,929
you

1156
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:51,929
know, over over time, there's

1157
00:40:52,789 --> 00:40:54,949
so there's a couple things. Sometimes it's really,

1158
00:40:54,949 --> 00:40:56,869
really hard. We're like, look. I'm gonna go

1159
00:40:56,869 --> 00:40:58,650
back to this balancing callings

1160
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:59,929
with work

1161
00:41:00,505 --> 00:41:01,644
and and family.

1162
00:41:03,945 --> 00:41:05,324
There's been times where,

1163
00:41:06,105 --> 00:41:07,965
especially when my kids were younger,

1164
00:41:08,984 --> 00:41:09,484
that

1165
00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:11,644
I would just bring them to the activity

1166
00:41:11,784 --> 00:41:13,704
with me sometimes, depending on what we would

1167
00:41:13,704 --> 00:41:14,204
do.

1168
00:41:15,619 --> 00:41:17,160
And sometimes they would play

1169
00:41:17,539 --> 00:41:19,460
just all by themselves. Other times they would

1170
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:20,599
get a little more involved,

1171
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:23,640
and the kids would love it. Right? There's

1172
00:41:24,019 --> 00:41:25,640
there's always an opportunity

1173
00:41:26,739 --> 00:41:27,400
to teach,

1174
00:41:29,875 --> 00:41:30,375
and

1175
00:41:30,914 --> 00:41:32,695
to teach these these boys

1176
00:41:33,394 --> 00:41:36,195
what it is to be a man, right,

1177
00:41:36,195 --> 00:41:36,695
and

1178
00:41:37,155 --> 00:41:39,635
to be a responsible father because that's what

1179
00:41:39,635 --> 00:41:41,920
they're gonna be. They're gonna be fathers. They're

1180
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:42,500
gonna be

1181
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,000
men. Right? And you are the example to

1182
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,559
them. And so sometimes including your family in

1183
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,800
that, right, whether it's your wife or whether

1184
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,039
it's your kids, like, that's not a bad

1185
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:53,539
thing.

1186
00:41:55,505 --> 00:41:58,385
And so, you know, sometimes that balance is

1187
00:41:58,385 --> 00:42:00,465
is, yeah, I'm going to I'm you know,

1188
00:42:00,465 --> 00:42:02,545
I'm my my wife needs a break from

1189
00:42:02,545 --> 00:42:04,385
the kids. So and I have young men's

1190
00:42:04,385 --> 00:42:06,164
tonight. I'm bringing them with me.

1191
00:42:06,465 --> 00:42:08,625
Sometimes that happens. Not so much now because

1192
00:42:08,625 --> 00:42:10,670
my kids are older, but but back, you

1193
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:12,269
know, when they were smaller, like, they would

1194
00:42:12,269 --> 00:42:14,130
come to me with act come to me

1195
00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:15,890
or come with me to activities.

1196
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:21,469
So, you know, but making the sacrifice sometimes

1197
00:42:21,469 --> 00:42:24,505
as well, that's that's that's huge. Right? Yeah.

1198
00:42:24,505 --> 00:42:25,244
That's huge.

1199
00:42:25,864 --> 00:42:27,304
I guess the other thing I would I

1200
00:42:27,304 --> 00:42:28,364
would add is,

1201
00:42:28,905 --> 00:42:31,144
you know, once again, I'm gonna reiterate this

1202
00:42:31,144 --> 00:42:33,144
point. There's no such thing as a bad

1203
00:42:33,144 --> 00:42:34,684
activity or a bad experience.

1204
00:42:36,425 --> 00:42:37,644
It's all about perspective.

1205
00:42:38,744 --> 00:42:39,244
So

1206
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,139
couple years ago, we we did

1207
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,219
not this last year, but the year before,

1208
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,539
I took these boys on a bike ride.

1209
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,840
It was a 20 mile bike ride. Nothing

1210
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,340
crazy.

1211
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:51,400
And we were in the desert. No. That's

1212
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,269
still crazy to me. It's Yeah.

1213
00:42:56,425 --> 00:42:58,025
But, yeah, we're on this bike ride, and

1214
00:42:58,025 --> 00:42:59,784
and I was like, hey. Everybody needs I

1215
00:42:59,784 --> 00:43:01,545
think I think I said three or four

1216
00:43:01,545 --> 00:43:03,484
liters of water. Everybody bring that.

1217
00:43:04,105 --> 00:43:05,945
One kid gone on that on the ride.

1218
00:43:05,945 --> 00:43:07,464
I don't know how. Got on with a

1219
00:43:07,464 --> 00:43:09,085
LifeStraw and nothing else.

1220
00:43:10,619 --> 00:43:12,699
The rest of them, like, blew through their

1221
00:43:12,699 --> 00:43:14,880
their four liters of of water

1222
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:17,599
within seven miles of this 20 mile,

1223
00:43:18,139 --> 00:43:18,639
ride.

1224
00:43:19,179 --> 00:43:20,000
And I'm like,

1225
00:43:22,219 --> 00:43:24,295
what the heck? You know? So we get

1226
00:43:24,295 --> 00:43:26,235
some more water and and stuff.

1227
00:43:26,535 --> 00:43:28,855
We're we're able to catch somebody because we're

1228
00:43:28,855 --> 00:43:29,594
in the desert.

1229
00:43:30,215 --> 00:43:32,155
Finding water in the desert is difficult.

1230
00:43:33,094 --> 00:43:34,795
Anyway, so we are

1231
00:43:35,699 --> 00:43:36,199
now

1232
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:38,500
going off. We get refilled with water and

1233
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:40,019
we're going off and all of a sudden

1234
00:43:40,019 --> 00:43:41,539
it starts to get a little hotter and

1235
00:43:41,539 --> 00:43:43,300
some of these kids are starting to drag.

1236
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:43,800
The

1237
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:46,420
the gap between, you know, who's up front

1238
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:48,099
and who's in the back is now getting

1239
00:43:48,099 --> 00:43:50,355
longer and longer as some of these kids

1240
00:43:50,355 --> 00:43:52,355
are hacking it. One kid's somewhere in the

1241
00:43:52,355 --> 00:43:53,954
middle, and I'm going back and forth trying

1242
00:43:53,954 --> 00:43:55,414
to make sure everybody's good.

1243
00:43:55,715 --> 00:43:58,594
All the leaders are, you know, good. Anyway

1244
00:43:58,914 --> 00:44:00,994
and this one kid gets early on high

1245
00:44:01,155 --> 00:44:02,614
onset heat stroke.

1246
00:44:03,235 --> 00:44:03,735
Wow.

1247
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:06,650
And that's when it gets scary,

1248
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:10,570
because then it's like, okay. Now

1249
00:44:11,269 --> 00:44:13,609
this is a serious situation. We need to

1250
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:15,929
we need to reconvene. And so

1251
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:17,750
I ride up to the front, get all

1252
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:19,394
the boys up front. Hey. We gotta turn

1253
00:44:19,394 --> 00:44:20,695
around. We gotta go back.

1254
00:44:21,074 --> 00:44:23,155
And then others, you know, okay. We're all

1255
00:44:23,155 --> 00:44:25,315
in one spot. We find this little cave

1256
00:44:25,315 --> 00:44:27,094
so we can just hang out in the,

1257
00:44:27,315 --> 00:44:29,554
you know, in the shade. We had somebody

1258
00:44:29,554 --> 00:44:31,235
go and try and get some more water.

1259
00:44:31,235 --> 00:44:33,094
So a couple, you know, couple,

1260
00:44:33,795 --> 00:44:36,089
guys go off and we're all hanging out

1261
00:44:36,089 --> 00:44:37,449
here. Now I know I'm

1262
00:44:38,250 --> 00:44:40,109
I took a class in in,

1263
00:44:40,569 --> 00:44:42,730
I became a wilderness first responder because I

1264
00:44:42,730 --> 00:44:44,409
love being outside, and I wanna make sure

1265
00:44:44,409 --> 00:44:46,329
that when I'm outside with the boys that

1266
00:44:46,329 --> 00:44:48,489
I'm I'm you know, I can take care

1267
00:44:48,489 --> 00:44:49,369
of them at least,

1268
00:44:50,224 --> 00:44:52,864
if something serious like this happens. And so

1269
00:44:52,864 --> 00:44:53,765
I know that

1270
00:44:54,144 --> 00:44:56,065
we have a little bit of time. We're

1271
00:44:56,065 --> 00:44:56,565
okay.

1272
00:44:56,945 --> 00:44:57,925
We have water.

1273
00:44:58,224 --> 00:44:59,125
We're sharing.

1274
00:44:59,505 --> 00:45:01,284
We're gonna consume that slowly.

1275
00:45:01,664 --> 00:45:03,585
You know, somebody's going off and getting help.

1276
00:45:03,585 --> 00:45:05,470
We're not too far away from a road,

1277
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:07,470
but we're just waiting out the heat of

1278
00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:09,329
the day because of this situation.

1279
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:12,369
And we're all resting and just hanging out,

1280
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:15,309
together. And and there are some of the

1281
00:45:15,309 --> 00:45:18,105
younger boys that were really, really scared. They're

1282
00:45:18,105 --> 00:45:19,085
really scared.

1283
00:45:19,465 --> 00:45:21,144
And we had to keep saying, hey. We're

1284
00:45:21,144 --> 00:45:21,644
okay.

1285
00:45:21,945 --> 00:45:22,684
We're good.

1286
00:45:22,985 --> 00:45:24,045
Everything's fine.

1287
00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:26,505
Like, we're good. You know? And just trying

1288
00:45:26,505 --> 00:45:27,565
to to to

1289
00:45:27,864 --> 00:45:29,965
to we started trying to sing,

1290
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,340
hymns. We had a bunch of prayers.

1291
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:34,539
We had,

1292
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,200
you know, we we were talking about just

1293
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,800
just a lot of different things. And some

1294
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,539
of the boys,

1295
00:45:43,034 --> 00:45:45,594
they deal with stressful situations with anger, and

1296
00:45:45,594 --> 00:45:46,494
some of the boys

1297
00:45:47,194 --> 00:45:49,275
are like, they break down and they cry.

1298
00:45:49,275 --> 00:45:51,355
And so having those two, especially when they're

1299
00:45:51,355 --> 00:45:51,855
brothers,

1300
00:45:52,635 --> 00:45:54,795
that that was that was a fun dynamic

1301
00:45:54,795 --> 00:45:56,635
to try and manage. Anyway, so we end

1302
00:45:56,635 --> 00:45:57,090
up

1303
00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:58,630
what ends up happening

1304
00:45:59,250 --> 00:45:59,750
is,

1305
00:46:00,369 --> 00:46:02,369
the boys pray and we say, okay, if

1306
00:46:02,369 --> 00:46:03,730
we're not, you know, if we don't have

1307
00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:05,489
anybody coming back by this time, then we're

1308
00:46:05,489 --> 00:46:08,210
gonna start heading back ourselves. Like, gives us

1309
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:09,590
enough rest. We're okay.

1310
00:46:10,175 --> 00:46:11,775
We're gonna we can make our water last

1311
00:46:11,775 --> 00:46:13,934
that long. We're alright. Everything will be okay

1312
00:46:13,934 --> 00:46:14,815
kind of thing. Anyway

1313
00:46:15,295 --> 00:46:17,454
and and, so we pray, and it's like,

1314
00:46:17,454 --> 00:46:19,554
hey. What do you guys feel? You know?

1315
00:46:19,614 --> 00:46:20,835
Put it back on them.

1316
00:46:21,855 --> 00:46:23,375
Who who feels like we need to do

1317
00:46:23,375 --> 00:46:25,230
this? And and they're like, k. We need

1318
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:27,170
to leave. Okay. Great. Let's leave.

1319
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:29,710
Literally, we get on our bikes. We turn

1320
00:46:29,710 --> 00:46:32,190
the corner, and there's this leader coming back,

1321
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:34,909
full things of water, and everybody's like, good.

1322
00:46:34,909 --> 00:46:35,409
And

1323
00:46:35,869 --> 00:46:38,349
and now we're, you know, and now we're

1324
00:46:38,349 --> 00:46:40,050
we're, you know, we're heading back.

1325
00:46:40,635 --> 00:46:42,655
But one of the things that,

1326
00:46:44,474 --> 00:46:45,835
one of the things that that I was

1327
00:46:45,835 --> 00:46:48,094
able to quote to them was,

1328
00:46:48,875 --> 00:46:51,695
was president Monson quoting Ella Wheeler Wilcox.

1329
00:46:54,590 --> 00:46:55,730
And he said,

1330
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he said,

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essentially, it's it's it's it's easy enough to

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be pleasant when everything flows by like a

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song, but the man worthwhile is the one

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that will smile when everything goes dead wrong.

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And

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tying that all back, you know, and seeing

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all of those pointing out, like, look at

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how God blessed us throughout this whole entire

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00:47:19,514 --> 00:47:23,069
experience. Right? Yeah. Everything fell apart. Bad things

1340
00:47:23,069 --> 00:47:24,989
happened. We did not wanna be in that

1341
00:47:24,989 --> 00:47:25,489
situation.

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But

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00:47:26,909 --> 00:47:29,150
look at the way God blessed us. He

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00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:31,010
loves us. Right? And all of a sudden,

1345
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:32,130
now

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00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:34,289
they can take that,

1347
00:47:34,625 --> 00:47:36,625
what could be a negative experience, and and

1348
00:47:36,625 --> 00:47:39,924
make it positive. Right? So always making that

1349
00:47:40,224 --> 00:47:41,525
connection back to Christ,

1350
00:47:41,905 --> 00:47:42,885
so, so important.

1351
00:47:43,264 --> 00:47:45,585
Because it doesn't matter what activities we do

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00:47:45,585 --> 00:47:47,184
and if they fall apart or not, we

1353
00:47:47,184 --> 00:47:48,864
can always kinda turn it around and be

1354
00:47:48,864 --> 00:47:50,760
like, hey. Look at the look at how

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00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,300
that relates back to Christ.

1356
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So Love it. Yeah. Love it. Well, last

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00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,480
question I have for you as you reflect

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00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,640
on your time just, leading in this this

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00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,159
fashion with the the young men. How has

1360
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:02,920
being a leader helped you become a better

1361
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,380
follower of Jesus Christ?

1362
00:48:05,214 --> 00:48:06,755
Oh, that's such a good question.

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00:48:07,054 --> 00:48:07,554
So

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as I've sacrificed my time and my talents

1365
00:48:11,375 --> 00:48:13,295
and my effort and I've lived the the

1366
00:48:13,295 --> 00:48:15,795
temple blood or temple covenants that I've made,

1367
00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:17,714
I've seen

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00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,980
sometimes in real time God's blessings,

1369
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:22,900
and his,

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his love in my life. And as I've

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00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,380
felt that and as I've seen that,

1372
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,944
it just makes me wanna do better and

1373
00:48:31,944 --> 00:48:34,105
continue to get better and continue to love

1374
00:48:34,105 --> 00:48:36,924
others and be a better, you know, ministering

1375
00:48:36,984 --> 00:48:37,484
brother,

1376
00:48:38,025 --> 00:48:40,585
being being a better brother, being a better

1377
00:48:40,585 --> 00:48:42,764
son, being a better better father,

1378
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,500
you know, and and really kind of become

1379
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:47,780
the man that

1380
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,159
that God wants me to become which is

1381
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:50,819
like him.

1382
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,519
And so yeah. So I've, you know, as

1383
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I've as I've done that, I've seen seen

1384
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,599
his hand in my life and and it's

1385
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:58,659
just made me wanna,

1386
00:49:00,025 --> 00:49:02,505
wanna do more. Right? Do more, give more,

1387
00:49:02,505 --> 00:49:03,324
be more.

1388
00:49:15,059 --> 00:49:17,880
And that concludes this How I Lead interview.

1389
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I hope you enjoyed it. And, I would

1390
00:49:20,099 --> 00:49:21,859
ask you, could you take a minute and

1391
00:49:21,859 --> 00:49:23,699
drop this link in an email, on social

1392
00:49:23,699 --> 00:49:25,784
media, in a text, wherever it makes the

1393
00:49:25,784 --> 00:49:27,545
most sense, and share it with somebody who

1394
00:49:27,545 --> 00:49:30,585
could relate to this experience. And this is

1395
00:49:30,585 --> 00:49:32,744
how we develop as leaders, just hearing what

1396
00:49:32,744 --> 00:49:34,344
the other guy is doing, trying some things

1397
00:49:34,344 --> 00:49:35,644
out, testing, adjusting

1398
00:49:36,025 --> 00:49:37,144
for your area, and,

1399
00:49:37,789 --> 00:49:40,109
that's where great leadership's discovered. Right? So we

1400
00:49:40,109 --> 00:49:42,269
would love to have you, share this with,

1401
00:49:42,429 --> 00:49:45,250
somebody in this calling or a related calling,

1402
00:49:45,309 --> 00:49:47,309
and that would be great. And, also, if

1403
00:49:47,309 --> 00:49:48,210
you know somebody,

1404
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:50,510
any type of leader who would be a

1405
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:52,609
fantastic guest on the how I lead segment,

1406
00:49:53,175 --> 00:49:55,914
reach out to us. Go to leadingsaints.org/contact.

1407
00:49:56,135 --> 00:49:58,454
Maybe send this in individual an email letting

1408
00:49:58,454 --> 00:50:00,474
them know that you're going to be suggesting

1409
00:50:00,535 --> 00:50:02,655
their name for this interview. We'll reach out

1410
00:50:02,655 --> 00:50:03,815
to them and,

1411
00:50:04,375 --> 00:50:05,414
see if we can line them up. So,

1412
00:50:05,414 --> 00:50:07,835
again, go to leadingsaints.org/contact,

1413
00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:09,849
and there you can submit all the information

1414
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:11,910
and let us know. And maybe they will

1415
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:13,670
be on a future how I lead segment

1416
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:15,210
on the Leading Saints podcast.

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Remember, check the show notes to listen to

1418
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:19,829
the powerful presentation by the general Young Men,

1419
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:22,635
Young Women advisory council members, or go to

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leadingsaints.org/fourteen.

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It came as a result of the position

1422
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of leadership which was imposed upon us

1423
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:39,409
by the God of heaven who brought forth

1424
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a restoration

1425
00:50:40,590 --> 00:50:42,929
of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

1426
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And when the declaration

1427
00:50:44,829 --> 00:50:47,170
was made concerning the only

1428
00:50:47,869 --> 00:50:50,269
true and living Church upon the face of

1429
00:50:50,269 --> 00:50:51,010
the earth,

1430
00:50:51,494 --> 00:50:54,154
We were immediately put in a position of

1431
00:50:54,214 --> 00:50:54,714
loneliness,

1432
00:50:55,174 --> 00:50:56,795
the loneliness of leadership

1433
00:50:57,574 --> 00:51:00,714
from which we cannot shrink nor run away,

1434
00:51:01,654 --> 00:51:04,135
and to which we must face up with

1435
00:51:04,135 --> 00:51:05,674
boldness and courage

1436
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and ability.