1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,080 Hey. If you think Leading Saints is just 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,879 a podcast, well, that's a big mistake. We 3 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:06,879 are so much more than a podcast. We've 4 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:10,400 established online a Leading Saints community. That's right. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,820 If you go to leadingsaints.org/zion, 6 00:00:13,085 --> 00:00:15,585 you'll be pushed towards a community online where 7 00:00:15,724 --> 00:00:17,964 the discussion is really happening. Sure. You're gonna 8 00:00:17,964 --> 00:00:19,644 listen to this episode. You'll get some great 9 00:00:19,644 --> 00:00:21,904 tips and ideas and hear a thought provoking 10 00:00:22,125 --> 00:00:25,500 discussion, but the conversation doesn't end there. We, 11 00:00:25,660 --> 00:00:28,220 go over to the Leading Saints community and 12 00:00:28,220 --> 00:00:29,820 talk further there. You can make comments. You 13 00:00:29,820 --> 00:00:31,739 can ask questions, and we'll probably do some 14 00:00:31,739 --> 00:00:34,159 follow-up live streams with maybe the same guest. 15 00:00:34,539 --> 00:00:36,060 But a lot is going on at the 16 00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:38,354 Leading Saints community. So check out the show 17 00:00:38,354 --> 00:00:41,254 notes for the link, leadingsaints.org/zion, 18 00:00:41,475 --> 00:00:43,414 and join the Leading Saints community. 19 00:00:45,714 --> 00:00:48,034 So you're checking us out as maybe a 20 00:00:48,034 --> 00:00:50,880 potential podcast you could start listening to. I 21 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,399 know many of you have been listening for 22 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:54,000 a long time, but let me just talk 23 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,920 to the newbies for a minute. What is 24 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Leading Saints? What are we trying to do 25 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,340 here with this podcast? Well, let me explain. 26 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:03,280 Leading Saints is a nonprofit organization, a five 27 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,879 zero one c three is what they call 28 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:07,034 it, and we have a mission 29 00:01:07,495 --> 00:01:09,814 to help Latter day Saints be better prepared 30 00:01:09,814 --> 00:01:11,974 to lead. Now, of course, often means in 31 00:01:11,974 --> 00:01:13,814 the context of a calling. It may mean 32 00:01:13,814 --> 00:01:16,234 in your local community, your work assignments. 33 00:01:16,694 --> 00:01:19,620 We've heard about our content influencing all sorts 34 00:01:19,620 --> 00:01:22,040 of leaders in all sorts of different contexts. 35 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:24,019 We invite you to listen to this episode 36 00:01:24,019 --> 00:01:26,180 and maybe a few others of our 500 37 00:01:26,180 --> 00:01:28,579 plus episodes that we have out there. Jump 38 00:01:28,579 --> 00:01:30,819 in and begin to learn and begin to 39 00:01:30,819 --> 00:01:32,819 consider some of these principles we talk about 40 00:01:32,819 --> 00:01:34,280 on the Leading Saints podcast. 41 00:01:34,625 --> 00:01:35,525 Here we go. 42 00:01:40,224 --> 00:01:41,504 As many of you heard, we have a 43 00:01:41,504 --> 00:01:43,765 lot going on over the Leading Saints community. 44 00:01:43,905 --> 00:01:45,744 This is like an online place where us 45 00:01:45,825 --> 00:01:48,004 the the Leading Saints community can gather 46 00:01:48,390 --> 00:01:50,150 and talk about concepts. You don't just have 47 00:01:50,150 --> 00:01:51,829 to wait on me to talk to somebody 48 00:01:51,829 --> 00:01:53,909 and record an episode, but let's get the 49 00:01:53,909 --> 00:01:56,250 conversation going about various topics 50 00:01:56,549 --> 00:01:58,469 related to church leadership. And so I'm gonna 51 00:01:58,469 --> 00:02:00,150 share with you a live stream we did. 52 00:02:00,150 --> 00:02:03,189 This was very informal, just gathering anybody who's 53 00:02:03,189 --> 00:02:03,689 interested 54 00:02:04,185 --> 00:02:06,504 about or has a calling connected with Sunday 55 00:02:06,504 --> 00:02:09,305 school. Let's get together online, share ideas, best 56 00:02:09,305 --> 00:02:11,784 practices, what you're doing, what's working, what's not. 57 00:02:11,784 --> 00:02:14,104 And, that was part of this livestream for 58 00:02:14,104 --> 00:02:16,664 Sunday school presidencies. Now these are open to 59 00:02:16,664 --> 00:02:18,344 really anybody. You don't have to be in 60 00:02:18,344 --> 00:02:20,579 a Sunday school presidency to participate. 61 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,919 And, a really fantastic conversation came out of 62 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,500 it. Now, we went about an hour plus 63 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:28,799 talking and sharing ideas. I'm gonna share a 64 00:02:28,799 --> 00:02:30,719 half hour with you here, some of the 65 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:33,379 high points, and then, come watch the full 66 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:34,019 recording 67 00:02:34,425 --> 00:02:35,705 in the community. It's there, 68 00:02:36,264 --> 00:02:38,504 for your consumption and learning. And then we'll 69 00:02:38,504 --> 00:02:40,905 continue to do more of these live streams, 70 00:02:40,905 --> 00:02:43,305 not just about Sunday school, but other leadership 71 00:02:43,305 --> 00:02:45,944 callings. So we talk about, there's a great 72 00:02:45,944 --> 00:02:47,865 discussion that happens just about the purpose of 73 00:02:47,865 --> 00:02:50,699 Sunday school, also about teaching council meetings and 74 00:02:50,699 --> 00:02:53,340 parent teacher council meetings. There's so much to 75 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:55,099 consider. How are we doing this? How are 76 00:02:55,099 --> 00:02:57,259 we fitting it in the busy schedule of 77 00:02:57,259 --> 00:02:59,019 church? Are you doing it during second hour, 78 00:02:59,019 --> 00:03:01,579 during the week, and what's working? And have 79 00:03:01,579 --> 00:03:04,425 a great conversation that way. So tune in, 80 00:03:04,585 --> 00:03:06,185 listen in, and then come back over to 81 00:03:06,185 --> 00:03:08,425 the Leading Saints community if you want the 82 00:03:08,425 --> 00:03:09,564 full unedited 83 00:03:10,104 --> 00:03:11,645 conversation and discussion. 84 00:03:21,860 --> 00:03:24,500 The Sunday school pregnancy live stream. And, we're 85 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:26,819 gonna have people filing in here. So as 86 00:03:26,819 --> 00:03:28,580 you're coming in here, put your name and 87 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:29,080 maybe 88 00:03:29,379 --> 00:03:31,665 if you've had a, if what you're, maybe 89 00:03:31,665 --> 00:03:33,104 you just say what your calling is and 90 00:03:33,104 --> 00:03:34,865 whether it's Sunday school or not, it doesn't 91 00:03:34,865 --> 00:03:36,625 really matter, but that is going to be 92 00:03:36,625 --> 00:03:37,844 the focus of our conversation. 93 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:40,385 And, hopefully we have something to learn forever, 94 00:03:40,385 --> 00:03:40,885 everybody. 95 00:03:41,344 --> 00:03:43,425 And, we're, we tried a few different things 96 00:03:43,425 --> 00:03:45,284 with live streams. We've done some 97 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:48,120 various topics and the recordings are out there. 98 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:50,419 I think they're easy to find, but we've 99 00:03:50,419 --> 00:03:53,139 done one one of these for, bishops or 100 00:03:53,139 --> 00:03:55,300 bishoprics. I think we've done an elders quorum. 101 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:56,520 We've done relief society 102 00:03:57,139 --> 00:03:59,379 release relief society one. We had, like, 80 103 00:03:59,379 --> 00:03:59,879 plus 104 00:04:00,235 --> 00:04:02,074 relief society presence from around the world. That 105 00:04:02,074 --> 00:04:04,074 was really cool just to get some discussion 106 00:04:04,074 --> 00:04:06,495 going. Definitely, this is a participatory 107 00:04:07,194 --> 00:04:07,694 experience. 108 00:04:08,235 --> 00:04:10,155 I'm just curious. And, again, this is, 109 00:04:10,715 --> 00:04:13,120 an open forum, which we'll talk. I want 110 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,960 you to feel like you can speak open 111 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,699 and freely. 112 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,519 I think the more authentic we can be 113 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,199 just like in Sunday school, right, the better, 114 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:21,680 an experience it is. So, you know, we'll 115 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:23,120 we can learn from each other and that's 116 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,360 what leading saints exist. We never pretend like 117 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,899 we have all the answers, 118 00:04:27,435 --> 00:04:29,754 but we hope to, learn from one another. 119 00:04:29,754 --> 00:04:31,915 So so I'm just curious if anybody would 120 00:04:31,915 --> 00:04:34,735 be open to unmuting and just sharing, like, 121 00:04:35,035 --> 00:04:36,875 why you're here. Is it because you're here 122 00:04:36,875 --> 00:04:38,555 to learn? Is it because you have a 123 00:04:38,555 --> 00:04:41,115 specific question? Do you feel just overwhelmed in 124 00:04:41,115 --> 00:04:43,740 this Sunday school calling? Is there specific concern 125 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:46,000 you're dealing with? So who wants to go 126 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:49,019 first? Alright. Joshua, let's hear it, man. I 127 00:04:49,019 --> 00:04:51,740 figured nobody else is, it's typical Sunday school. 128 00:04:51,740 --> 00:04:53,339 Right? Wait. No. Hey. I'll wait. I don't 129 00:04:53,339 --> 00:04:54,074 mind silence. 130 00:04:55,675 --> 00:04:57,935 I'm really just here because I have enjoyed 131 00:04:57,995 --> 00:04:58,735 the podcast 132 00:04:59,435 --> 00:05:00,654 that you put on, 133 00:05:00,955 --> 00:05:03,275 and I thought, hey. Live stream. Awesome. I've 134 00:05:03,275 --> 00:05:05,134 got time. I wanna jump in and see. 135 00:05:05,514 --> 00:05:08,074 And I'm the bishop in my ward, and 136 00:05:08,074 --> 00:05:09,694 I've been Sunday school president 137 00:05:10,069 --> 00:05:11,669 and kinda felt like I don't know what 138 00:05:11,669 --> 00:05:13,589 that calling like, what am I supposed to 139 00:05:13,589 --> 00:05:16,069 do? It kinda overlaps young men's, young women's, 140 00:05:16,069 --> 00:05:18,470 relief site, elders quorum. So I just wanted 141 00:05:18,470 --> 00:05:20,329 to I'm here to learn, I guess. 142 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:23,189 Awesome. Yeah. That's interesting. I think in I 143 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:25,504 never I always hesitate to quote the handbook 144 00:05:25,504 --> 00:05:27,824 or to or to paraphrase the handbook because 145 00:05:27,824 --> 00:05:30,225 I don't know if something's changed. But, yeah, 146 00:05:30,225 --> 00:05:31,904 definitely like the Sunday school president, I think 147 00:05:31,904 --> 00:05:33,345 it frames it as you are in charge 148 00:05:33,345 --> 00:05:35,584 of all teaching and learning at church and 149 00:05:35,584 --> 00:05:37,024 at home. Right? And so you can be 150 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:39,150 a resource there. So that's sort of suddenly 151 00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:42,029 feels really heavy. Right? And Sunday school is 152 00:05:42,029 --> 00:05:43,410 a little bit, you know, from administrative 153 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:45,150 thing. It's sort of like, okay, we call 154 00:05:45,150 --> 00:05:47,170 our teachers and do our thing, but 155 00:05:47,949 --> 00:05:49,550 everybody can expound on that or have further 156 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:51,150 thoughts or can add to that question or 157 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:53,435 concern or or how do you approach it 158 00:05:53,435 --> 00:05:55,615 as a Sunday school person, 159 00:05:55,915 --> 00:05:58,634 as far as what you do? Martha, go 160 00:05:58,634 --> 00:06:00,014 ahead. Hi guys. 161 00:06:00,394 --> 00:06:00,894 Hi. 162 00:06:01,595 --> 00:06:04,154 I've been before I got called to be 163 00:06:04,154 --> 00:06:07,294 gospel doctrine teachers is in January. 164 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:10,580 I actually watched your podcast with Dan Duckworth 165 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:14,180 on creating a transformational Sunday school. Yeah. And 166 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,740 I was grateful for the calling because then 167 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,560 I was able to implement a lot of 168 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,980 the things I learned on that podcast. So 169 00:06:21,205 --> 00:06:22,965 yeah, that's why I'm here too. But I'm 170 00:06:22,965 --> 00:06:24,805 grateful for the time that I could be 171 00:06:24,805 --> 00:06:25,705 here this morning. 172 00:06:26,884 --> 00:06:29,365 It's 08:00 for us here. So, yeah, I 173 00:06:29,365 --> 00:06:30,504 thought I'd jump in. 174 00:06:30,884 --> 00:06:32,985 08:00 in the morning. Is that right? Yeah. 175 00:06:33,285 --> 00:06:34,985 Yeah. Nice. Tomorrow. Nice. 176 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,040 Very cool. Anybody else wanna speak to that 177 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,800 as far as why you're here? Yeah. Chris, 178 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,460 go ahead. 179 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Yeah. So, yeah, I think you know that, 180 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,920 my wife and I are missionaries in the 181 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,960 12 step addiction recovery program, and we need 182 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,280 a couple of meeting on Thursday nights. And, 183 00:06:51,264 --> 00:06:53,024 my goal is to have church like a 184 00:06:53,024 --> 00:06:55,125 12 step meeting. I mean, that's 185 00:06:55,904 --> 00:06:57,824 that that would be for me, like, the 186 00:06:57,824 --> 00:06:59,985 perfect world. So tell me more. What what 187 00:06:59,985 --> 00:07:02,224 do you mean by that? Well, if people 188 00:07:02,224 --> 00:07:03,204 came to church 189 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,980 willing to share their gospel experiences. 190 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:10,160 So in a Sunday school class and I've 191 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,439 I've been I called a gospel doctrine class 192 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:15,439 for a couple years, two, three years. And 193 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:17,199 then, it was called to be Sunday school 194 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:18,819 president the first of the year. 195 00:07:19,254 --> 00:07:19,754 And 196 00:07:20,134 --> 00:07:21,194 the first thing 197 00:07:21,654 --> 00:07:23,115 we did in January 198 00:07:23,814 --> 00:07:26,235 is we had a teacher council meeting 199 00:07:26,855 --> 00:07:29,814 for all the teachers. Anyone called as the 200 00:07:29,814 --> 00:07:30,314 teacher 201 00:07:30,855 --> 00:07:32,235 in our ward, 202 00:07:32,889 --> 00:07:33,389 including 203 00:07:33,769 --> 00:07:35,550 elders quorum and Relief Society 204 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:37,789 presidency, primary presidency, 205 00:07:38,729 --> 00:07:39,209 and, 206 00:07:39,849 --> 00:07:42,329 the Bishop Brook. So we had a teacher 207 00:07:42,329 --> 00:07:43,629 council meeting outside 208 00:07:44,250 --> 00:07:45,310 of the two hours, 209 00:07:45,689 --> 00:07:46,750 two hour block, 210 00:07:47,214 --> 00:07:49,774 and we had about 31 211 00:07:49,774 --> 00:07:52,334 or 32 people in that meeting and chairs 212 00:07:52,334 --> 00:07:53,154 in a circle. 213 00:07:53,615 --> 00:07:55,634 And we just had a great 214 00:07:56,254 --> 00:07:57,394 hour long discussion 215 00:07:58,334 --> 00:08:01,350 about teaching and what we would like it 216 00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:03,129 to look like as a ward. 217 00:08:03,590 --> 00:08:06,629 And the consensus is we want people to 218 00:08:06,629 --> 00:08:10,949 come and share their experiences with whatever they're 219 00:08:10,949 --> 00:08:13,830 reading, whether it's the scriptures for Sunday school, 220 00:08:13,830 --> 00:08:17,024 whether it's a conference doc, railroads quorum or 221 00:08:17,024 --> 00:08:17,925 relief society. 222 00:08:18,305 --> 00:08:20,724 And the consensus is once again, 223 00:08:21,264 --> 00:08:23,044 that the so called teachers 224 00:08:23,345 --> 00:08:24,964 in our ward are 225 00:08:25,425 --> 00:08:27,125 better called facilitators 226 00:08:27,584 --> 00:08:28,884 as opposed to teachers. 227 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,339 So we come prepared 228 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,019 having studied, 229 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,660 but we are there to facilitate 230 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:38,059 discussion above all else. 231 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,240 And, it's been really, it's been good and 232 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,620 it's been powerful and, 233 00:08:44,355 --> 00:08:46,595 we have some great, great teachers on the 234 00:08:46,595 --> 00:08:49,315 award. We're really blessed that way. Yeah. I'm 235 00:08:49,315 --> 00:08:51,634 curious just putting out the teacher council meetings. 236 00:08:51,634 --> 00:08:52,534 Is that something 237 00:08:53,154 --> 00:08:55,154 I'm curious of how that's going. Is that 238 00:08:55,154 --> 00:08:57,169 going well? Does anybody feel like they have 239 00:08:57,169 --> 00:08:58,450 that dialed in or you have a good 240 00:08:58,450 --> 00:09:00,470 cadence with the teacher council meetings? 241 00:09:00,850 --> 00:09:03,190 Yeah. Terry, go ahead. We've struggled 242 00:09:03,649 --> 00:09:06,210 with getting people to set aside the time 243 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:08,070 for a teacher council meeting. 244 00:09:08,404 --> 00:09:10,325 We've tried to hold them on Sunday nights 245 00:09:10,325 --> 00:09:11,785 or the third hour 246 00:09:12,165 --> 00:09:15,205 after the block, things like that. But generally 247 00:09:15,205 --> 00:09:17,605 it's a struggle to get people to sit 248 00:09:17,605 --> 00:09:18,105 together. 249 00:09:18,644 --> 00:09:20,725 Chris, I'm jealous that you could get 30 250 00:09:20,725 --> 00:09:22,665 people in a room to talk about teaching. 251 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:24,919 Yeah. And that's, 252 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,200 Chris, I'm curious. What what's the, setup of 253 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,360 your teacher council meeting? How do you how 254 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,600 do you go about that? Well, look, the 255 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,144 first one we had in January is because, 256 00:09:35,304 --> 00:09:37,384 you know, we were newly called Sunday school 257 00:09:37,384 --> 00:09:39,565 presidency and I had the 258 00:09:40,024 --> 00:09:42,665 really good support from the district brick and 259 00:09:42,665 --> 00:09:45,625 it's from our first counselor who's, you know, 260 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:47,384 over the Sunday school and the teaching of 261 00:09:47,384 --> 00:09:47,940 the ward. 262 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:51,379 Since then, last month, we had another series 263 00:09:51,379 --> 00:09:54,200 of teacher council meetings during the second hour. 264 00:09:54,500 --> 00:09:57,399 So one week we did elder corpsman and 265 00:09:57,940 --> 00:09:59,480 real society teacher. 266 00:10:00,115 --> 00:10:02,455 The next week we've been Sunday school teachers, 267 00:10:02,514 --> 00:10:05,075 the next week we actually had a teacher 268 00:10:05,075 --> 00:10:07,335 council meeting for the primary teachers. 269 00:10:07,875 --> 00:10:10,514 And in each of those we invited the 270 00:10:10,514 --> 00:10:11,014 presidencies 271 00:10:11,475 --> 00:10:12,375 of each organization 272 00:10:12,835 --> 00:10:13,654 to attend 273 00:10:14,389 --> 00:10:15,529 And once again, 274 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:18,410 most of that was spent in discussion. 275 00:10:18,950 --> 00:10:21,750 How's it going? What support do you need? 276 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:23,850 What's working? What's not working? 277 00:10:24,389 --> 00:10:27,165 You know, just really how's it going? Do 278 00:10:27,165 --> 00:10:29,804 you feel that people in your classes are 279 00:10:29,804 --> 00:10:32,865 coming prepared that they read the conference talks? 280 00:10:33,325 --> 00:10:36,225 Have they read the, like, come follow me 281 00:10:36,684 --> 00:10:39,004 on section of the doctrine covenants for this 282 00:10:39,004 --> 00:10:39,504 week? 283 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:42,639 And how do we, how do we encourage 284 00:10:42,639 --> 00:10:44,879 people to do that? That's really the big 285 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:46,419 question is how do we 286 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:48,419 enhance home study? 287 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:50,980 Right. DJ, were you going to say something? 288 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,879 Yes. So similar to what other people have 289 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:54,865 said, we hold it during second hour, but 290 00:10:54,865 --> 00:10:56,625 there are two principles that are really important. 291 00:10:56,625 --> 00:10:58,725 Number one, in the handbook, it says that 292 00:10:59,024 --> 00:11:00,644 the board council actually 293 00:11:01,264 --> 00:11:03,105 should be setting the topics for those. And 294 00:11:03,105 --> 00:11:05,904 so we get the board council involved in 295 00:11:05,904 --> 00:11:07,745 determining what the topics are gonna be for 296 00:11:07,745 --> 00:11:10,269 those. And the second so that also, by 297 00:11:10,269 --> 00:11:13,309 default, gets buy in from the presidencies of 298 00:11:13,309 --> 00:11:16,029 the organizations where these teachers reside. And then 299 00:11:16,029 --> 00:11:17,789 the second thing we do is we just 300 00:11:17,789 --> 00:11:19,470 make it sort of an expectation. It's like 301 00:11:19,470 --> 00:11:20,370 on this Sunday, 302 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:23,304 this is the when you're gonna have teacher 303 00:11:23,304 --> 00:11:25,384 council. And so we'll get substitutes to come 304 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:27,304 in for all the primary teachers. They know 305 00:11:27,304 --> 00:11:28,904 what's happening, and they just know they're supposed 306 00:11:28,904 --> 00:11:31,004 to go there. And the same thing with 307 00:11:31,225 --> 00:11:34,664 the instructors for the other courses. If we 308 00:11:34,664 --> 00:11:35,865 have to hold on on a Sunday when 309 00:11:35,865 --> 00:11:37,485 they're supposed to teach, we'll get a substitute. 310 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:39,139 If not, we just make it clear that 311 00:11:39,139 --> 00:11:41,220 they're expected to be there. And when you 312 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:42,899 when you have the council the way that 313 00:11:42,899 --> 00:11:44,259 it's supposed to be, when it's a true 314 00:11:44,259 --> 00:11:47,460 council, when people are can put in their 315 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:48,200 2¢ 316 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:48,980 and, 317 00:11:49,460 --> 00:11:51,745 we actually learn from each other, We find 318 00:11:51,745 --> 00:11:53,264 that people want to do it. They can't 319 00:11:53,264 --> 00:11:55,184 wait a quarter for another one. They keep 320 00:11:55,184 --> 00:11:57,764 asking to do it, you know, more regularly 321 00:11:57,824 --> 00:11:59,745 than once a quarter. Yeah. I appreciate that. 322 00:11:59,745 --> 00:12:01,904 You know, the true council, like Jared says 323 00:12:01,904 --> 00:12:03,899 in the comments here, in the chat, my 324 00:12:04,059 --> 00:12:05,740 I experienced with teacher council meetings that most 325 00:12:05,740 --> 00:12:07,259 of our ward members do not want to 326 00:12:07,259 --> 00:12:09,100 attend if it is second hour. And it 327 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:11,259 also seems more like a lecture style with 328 00:12:11,259 --> 00:12:14,059 the Sunday school presidency teaching a lesson rather 329 00:12:14,059 --> 00:12:16,634 than counseling together. Right? That's sometimes we can 330 00:12:16,875 --> 00:12:19,915 make the teacher council experience a terrible learning 331 00:12:19,915 --> 00:12:20,415 environment. 332 00:12:20,875 --> 00:12:23,035 We're trying to stimulate a positive learning environment. 333 00:12:23,035 --> 00:12:25,115 Right? So I appreciate that, like, keeping it 334 00:12:25,115 --> 00:12:27,514 really council where you're talking and sharing ideas 335 00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:29,674 and perspectives, and and maybe there's a little 336 00:12:29,674 --> 00:12:32,014 bit debate in there, you know, stimulating revelation. 337 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:33,860 DJ, I am curious to kind of a 338 00:12:33,860 --> 00:12:37,059 follow-up, a really helpful insight of, you know, 339 00:12:37,059 --> 00:12:39,460 the word council should be setting the topics 340 00:12:39,460 --> 00:12:41,139 there. I'm just curious, like, what are some 341 00:12:41,139 --> 00:12:43,940 of those typical topics that maybe become for 342 00:12:43,940 --> 00:12:45,860 the word council? And, and is that something 343 00:12:45,860 --> 00:12:47,774 maybe the, are you the Sunday school president 344 00:12:47,774 --> 00:12:49,455 in your board? Is that I'm the state 345 00:12:49,455 --> 00:12:51,215 Sunday school president now. But when I'm talking 346 00:12:51,215 --> 00:12:52,754 about my experience in the bishopric, 347 00:12:53,695 --> 00:12:55,634 when we kind of focused on Sunday school. 348 00:12:55,695 --> 00:12:57,215 Yeah. So what were some of the topics 349 00:12:57,215 --> 00:12:58,975 that would come up and do you you 350 00:12:58,975 --> 00:13:00,830 would just someone just bring that up in 351 00:13:00,830 --> 00:13:03,309 word council meeting and to determine what topics 352 00:13:03,309 --> 00:13:05,470 the teacher council meetings could be? Or Yeah. 353 00:13:05,470 --> 00:13:07,870 So we'd we'd have the executive secretary, you 354 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:09,230 know, send out a little note that says, 355 00:13:09,230 --> 00:13:10,830 hey. Here the here what we're gonna talk 356 00:13:10,830 --> 00:13:12,269 about at word council, and one of the 357 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:13,970 items would be potential 358 00:13:14,745 --> 00:13:15,245 topics 359 00:13:15,705 --> 00:13:18,205 for the round not roundtable, 360 00:13:18,585 --> 00:13:21,144 the teacher council. Right? And so they would 361 00:13:21,144 --> 00:13:22,664 then go to their folks and ask. So 362 00:13:22,664 --> 00:13:24,205 some of the things that come up are 363 00:13:24,264 --> 00:13:26,424 how to get students to not just be 364 00:13:26,424 --> 00:13:28,105 playing on their cell phones, how to do 365 00:13:28,105 --> 00:13:31,120 engagement. Right? Because it also especially with teenagers, 366 00:13:31,180 --> 00:13:33,100 you know, it's it's kinda hard to tell 367 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:34,879 what they're doing. With the primary, 368 00:13:35,420 --> 00:13:37,899 sometimes it was are very good questions. Like, 369 00:13:37,899 --> 00:13:39,660 if they're studying this at home with their 370 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:40,160 parents, 371 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:42,860 like, it feels redundant for us to cover 372 00:13:42,860 --> 00:13:44,595 this when they come in because they seem 373 00:13:44,595 --> 00:13:46,115 to already know all the answers and the 374 00:13:46,115 --> 00:13:48,835 stories. Right? And so those are legitimate concerns 375 00:13:48,835 --> 00:13:50,754 that people have. And as they bring those 376 00:13:50,754 --> 00:13:53,315 legitimate concerns to their presidencies and those get 377 00:13:53,315 --> 00:13:56,054 passed along, and we we hit their topics, 378 00:13:56,660 --> 00:13:59,139 then people start really want to go to 379 00:13:59,139 --> 00:14:01,620 these things. Right? We also use Slido. I 380 00:14:01,620 --> 00:14:02,820 don't know if you've ever heard of that, 381 00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:06,120 but anything that lets people submit anonymous questions 382 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:09,059 that you can then address. Now people definitely 383 00:14:09,059 --> 00:14:11,475 wanna hear their questions answered. And sometimes the 384 00:14:11,475 --> 00:14:13,075 questions that they put on there, they they 385 00:14:13,075 --> 00:14:14,934 wouldn't have the courage to ask in person, 386 00:14:15,075 --> 00:14:17,014 but they're genuine and sincere 387 00:14:17,475 --> 00:14:20,674 questions or concerns that they have. And when 388 00:14:20,674 --> 00:14:22,914 we see that these things get addressed, they 389 00:14:22,914 --> 00:14:24,434 want to come to these meetings when they 390 00:14:24,434 --> 00:14:26,970 are what they're designed to be. Yeah. That's 391 00:14:26,970 --> 00:14:28,730 a great point that I mean, just like 392 00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:30,990 Sunday school, I mean, any, I guess, gathering 393 00:14:31,049 --> 00:14:33,450 is that if people come knowing they're expecting 394 00:14:33,450 --> 00:14:36,889 a high value experience or covering topics that 395 00:14:36,889 --> 00:14:39,684 are actually relevant and applicable to either calling. 396 00:14:39,684 --> 00:14:42,024 I mean, like, you know, Jared said, sometimes 397 00:14:42,325 --> 00:14:43,924 they don't even wanna come because it's like, 398 00:14:43,924 --> 00:14:45,284 well, you know, I'd maybe rather go to 399 00:14:45,284 --> 00:14:47,605 elders quorum or or Sunday school or whatever, 400 00:14:47,605 --> 00:14:49,445 or I wanna see this friend or that 401 00:14:49,445 --> 00:14:50,884 friend. But it's like, I actually, this is 402 00:14:50,884 --> 00:14:52,659 a great value. I'm gonna make sure I 403 00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:54,740 I don't miss this. That's great. Jeff, did 404 00:14:54,740 --> 00:14:56,419 you have a question or comment? What I 405 00:14:56,419 --> 00:14:57,059 was interested 406 00:14:57,460 --> 00:14:58,899 I just figured out how to get my 407 00:14:58,899 --> 00:15:00,899 picture on, so I wasn't able to say 408 00:15:00,899 --> 00:15:03,539 what I'm interested in in handing out today. 409 00:15:03,539 --> 00:15:05,605 It kinda fits in here. I'm new into 410 00:15:05,605 --> 00:15:07,845 the, as a counselor into a state, into 411 00:15:07,845 --> 00:15:08,585 a presidency 412 00:15:09,045 --> 00:15:10,585 in my ward and 413 00:15:11,045 --> 00:15:12,264 we're doing the teacher, 414 00:15:13,205 --> 00:15:14,105 teacher councils, 415 00:15:14,485 --> 00:15:16,404 but recently I've been asked to do the 416 00:15:16,404 --> 00:15:18,884 parent councils. I'm just curious if anybody else 417 00:15:18,884 --> 00:15:20,425 is doing the parent councils 418 00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:22,970 And, we had our first quarterly 419 00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:24,250 parent council, 420 00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:27,110 but the feedback from it was I'm in 421 00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:29,669 the transition of going from teaching mode to 422 00:15:29,669 --> 00:15:32,570 facilitating, right, and learning that. So 423 00:15:32,964 --> 00:15:35,464 the feedback that came back is, holy mackerel, 424 00:15:35,524 --> 00:15:38,024 it seems like a long time between quarters 425 00:15:38,404 --> 00:15:40,825 for a parent councilor. And so the bishopric 426 00:15:40,884 --> 00:15:43,044 and the the ward council has kinda come 427 00:15:43,044 --> 00:15:44,884 back and said, hey, maybe we could run 428 00:15:44,884 --> 00:15:47,370 these more often. Now, I worry a little 429 00:15:47,370 --> 00:15:49,690 bit that it takes away from the other 430 00:15:49,690 --> 00:15:52,029 classes that people want to go to. Right? 431 00:15:52,089 --> 00:15:54,009 Mhmm. But they're going to have them now 432 00:15:54,009 --> 00:15:56,009 monthly for at least a period to where 433 00:15:56,009 --> 00:15:57,610 people get to know each other and feel 434 00:15:57,610 --> 00:15:59,929 comfortable. That's what I just wondered if anybody 435 00:15:59,929 --> 00:16:01,870 else was working with the parent councils 436 00:16:02,384 --> 00:16:04,705 that suggested for us to have and how 437 00:16:04,705 --> 00:16:07,105 they found success in that or what the 438 00:16:07,105 --> 00:16:09,105 issues might be that I can kind of 439 00:16:09,105 --> 00:16:11,985 shorten the learning curve. Awesome. I'll just hear 440 00:16:11,985 --> 00:16:14,144 some Parent councils. And, Chris, I don't know 441 00:16:14,144 --> 00:16:15,665 if if yours is related to that or 442 00:16:15,665 --> 00:16:16,945 if you wanna add we can come back 443 00:16:16,945 --> 00:16:18,519 to this or whatever. I'll I'll make sure 444 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:19,960 we come back to this. It's if it's 445 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,039 not about No. I didn't. It wasn't related 446 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:23,879 to what Jeff just shared, but I was 447 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:25,799 just gonna bring up I don't know how 448 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:26,860 many of 449 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:28,299 our teachers, 450 00:16:28,919 --> 00:16:30,759 and this one include the other's warm, little 451 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:31,820 exciting, and primary, 452 00:16:32,504 --> 00:16:35,065 have read the introduction of the come follow 453 00:16:35,065 --> 00:16:37,384 me manual this year. Because on page one 454 00:16:37,384 --> 00:16:38,445 and page three 455 00:16:39,065 --> 00:16:40,125 are awesome 456 00:16:40,904 --> 00:16:41,404 explanations 457 00:16:42,424 --> 00:16:44,985 of what teaching looks like in the church 458 00:16:44,985 --> 00:16:45,485 now. 459 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,100 And, that's kind of what we based our 460 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,580 teacher council meetings on 461 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,879 is what it said in come follow me 462 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:57,360 manual. So just a suggestion. I don't I 463 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,799 don't know how many people have even looked 464 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:00,580 at it, but it's it's great stuff. 465 00:17:00,934 --> 00:17:02,855 Yeah. I love that. And that's a easy 466 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:04,855 way to kinda keep the discussion grounded or 467 00:17:04,855 --> 00:17:07,335 focused of of starting every teacher council meeting. 468 00:17:07,335 --> 00:17:09,255 Like, hey. Let's review those pages at the 469 00:17:09,255 --> 00:17:11,095 beginning of the come follow me manual and 470 00:17:11,095 --> 00:17:13,815 remind ourselves, you know, just exactly what we're 471 00:17:13,815 --> 00:17:16,234 trying to do. Right? Any other thoughts on 472 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:19,589 parent council meetings and I assume does the 473 00:17:19,589 --> 00:17:21,289 handbook mentioned those or is that 474 00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:24,569 an outgrowth of something, a different tradition? It's 475 00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:25,529 there. 476 00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:29,109 Cool. Anybody else, attempting the parent council meetings 477 00:17:29,109 --> 00:17:31,065 that essentially, as I understand them, these are, 478 00:17:31,144 --> 00:17:33,304 you know, those who are parents to teenagers 479 00:17:33,304 --> 00:17:35,065 or younger that it's an opportunity to say, 480 00:17:35,065 --> 00:17:36,184 hey. Why don't we get together and talk 481 00:17:36,184 --> 00:17:37,865 about teaching in the home? Kind of a 482 00:17:37,865 --> 00:17:40,024 teacher council meeting, but for for those that 483 00:17:40,024 --> 00:17:42,264 are teaching in the home. Matt, go ahead. 484 00:17:42,264 --> 00:17:43,944 Yeah. We've tried to do we've tried to 485 00:17:43,944 --> 00:17:46,480 encourage our stake to do it. And I've 486 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,720 kind of been on the soapbox of trying 487 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,799 to do it. And then one of our 488 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,399 we've had a couple of stakes do it 489 00:17:50,399 --> 00:17:51,759 because I think it felt like we're at 490 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:53,599 a point where as we've gone to this 491 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:56,319 third hour process to we when we've removed 492 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:59,424 this third hour, if you listen to Elder 493 00:17:59,424 --> 00:18:01,845 Cook's talk when he initially talked about this, 494 00:18:02,065 --> 00:18:04,085 it wasn't that the third hour goes away. 495 00:18:04,144 --> 00:18:06,625 It's that it's not done in home, that 496 00:18:06,625 --> 00:18:08,865 it's done in home. And what it's turned 497 00:18:08,865 --> 00:18:11,744 into is it turns into you get it 498 00:18:11,744 --> 00:18:12,884 and you can see 499 00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:15,329 a drop in gospel 500 00:18:15,789 --> 00:18:16,929 knowledge and participation. 501 00:18:17,470 --> 00:18:19,309 Before I was in when it before in 502 00:18:19,309 --> 00:18:20,669 my I was in my state calling, I 503 00:18:20,669 --> 00:18:22,609 was at at Deacon's Quorum advisor 504 00:18:22,990 --> 00:18:26,289 and you could see a massive change 505 00:18:26,669 --> 00:18:28,349 and a lack of it was such a 506 00:18:28,349 --> 00:18:28,849 huge 507 00:18:29,234 --> 00:18:30,775 learning curve going from 508 00:18:31,315 --> 00:18:34,275 second, going from the previous model where it 509 00:18:34,275 --> 00:18:36,434 was a third hour that where the children, 510 00:18:36,434 --> 00:18:38,515 the primary kids had a full hour of 511 00:18:38,515 --> 00:18:40,914 teaching and now they're go to maybe twenty 512 00:18:40,914 --> 00:18:41,414 minutes 513 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,880 of lesson and then when they go from 514 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,880 a they go in and they're also not 515 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,059 even 12, they're not 12, they're like 11 516 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,839 and they come into are expected to go 517 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:52,599 into Sunday school in young men's or in 518 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:54,775 young women's where you're there for an hour 519 00:18:54,775 --> 00:18:56,875 and in some instances you're supposed to participate. 520 00:18:57,494 --> 00:18:58,855 And so there's been a lot of learning 521 00:18:58,855 --> 00:19:00,535 curve on that. And so we've tried to 522 00:19:00,535 --> 00:19:03,174 work with our primary and with our and 523 00:19:03,174 --> 00:19:05,015 our youth to try and make that transition 524 00:19:05,015 --> 00:19:06,634 because it's a really hard transition 525 00:19:07,090 --> 00:19:08,630 between those in that space. 526 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:11,490 That's great. Really helpful. Anybody else? Any other 527 00:19:11,490 --> 00:19:13,410 thoughts on parent council meetings, or do you 528 00:19:13,410 --> 00:19:15,809 have maybe a different topic? DJ just put 529 00:19:15,809 --> 00:19:18,049 a posted a great link to the church 530 00:19:18,049 --> 00:19:21,304 news about teacher council meetings for parents written 531 00:19:21,304 --> 00:19:21,964 by the Sunday 532 00:19:22,265 --> 00:19:24,204 or the yeah. The Sunday school general presidency. 533 00:19:24,265 --> 00:19:26,424 So that's great. Matt, go ahead. Yeah. I 534 00:19:26,424 --> 00:19:28,424 feel I feel it's hard sometimes it's hard 535 00:19:28,424 --> 00:19:30,684 to get past the idea the model of, 536 00:19:30,984 --> 00:19:33,400 I was in a previous ward. I was 537 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,559 the Sunday school president and that ward was 538 00:19:35,559 --> 00:19:37,880 very pro. As a Sunday school president, you're 539 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,200 in charge of teaching in the entire throughout 540 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:40,940 the organization 541 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,319 and you're like, I would even go to 542 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:45,720 I was going into every meeting and all 543 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,664 of the in getting at, but it's hard 544 00:19:47,664 --> 00:19:49,744 to get past this idea of there tends 545 00:19:49,744 --> 00:19:51,025 to be a little bit of a, I 546 00:19:51,025 --> 00:19:53,505 don't know, a downgrade of thought of Sunday 547 00:19:53,505 --> 00:19:55,825 school where it's not into my mind, I 548 00:19:55,825 --> 00:19:57,184 feel like Sunday school is one of the 549 00:19:57,184 --> 00:19:59,345 most, one of the most important parts of 550 00:19:59,345 --> 00:20:02,005 the block, but it tends to 551 00:20:02,450 --> 00:20:05,089 not get promoted as well and to be 552 00:20:05,089 --> 00:20:06,789 hyped up as well as it should be. 553 00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:10,630 And it's hard to get sometimes get stakes 554 00:20:11,329 --> 00:20:13,829 and boards pass that mindset of 555 00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:16,289 of, you know, you're as a Sunday school 556 00:20:16,289 --> 00:20:17,190 president, you're 557 00:20:17,585 --> 00:20:20,065 the your glorified bell ringer, you know, you're 558 00:20:20,065 --> 00:20:21,825 making sure that you're making sure the trains 559 00:20:21,825 --> 00:20:23,765 run on time, not gonna stop, 560 00:20:24,144 --> 00:20:25,984 and trying to really understand how you can 561 00:20:25,984 --> 00:20:27,125 level up your teaching. 562 00:20:27,664 --> 00:20:29,285 Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting 563 00:20:29,744 --> 00:20:32,480 dynamic that we face is that, you know, 564 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:34,000 that time we have at churches 565 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:35,440 is limited 566 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:38,059 and everyone kinda wants a piece of it. 567 00:20:38,059 --> 00:20:39,440 Right? Obviously, the sacrament, 568 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:41,920 they're not gonna cancel that or, you know, 569 00:20:42,059 --> 00:20:45,285 rotate that through as needed, but that's, paramount. 570 00:20:45,424 --> 00:20:47,345 But, you know, that second hour is sort 571 00:20:47,345 --> 00:20:49,025 of like and you see with fifth Sundays 572 00:20:49,025 --> 00:20:50,404 of, like, you know, suddenly, 573 00:20:50,785 --> 00:20:52,865 maybe the family history committee. Oh, we wanna 574 00:20:52,865 --> 00:20:54,785 do a family history class during the second 575 00:20:54,785 --> 00:20:56,625 hour. Right? And then, you know, these teacher 576 00:20:56,625 --> 00:20:59,190 council meetings. And, again, I think it emphasized 577 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:00,809 just the importance of that in home 578 00:21:01,269 --> 00:21:04,730 study where, you know, like, was it, 579 00:21:05,109 --> 00:21:06,869 I forget exactly who said it, but it's 580 00:21:06,869 --> 00:21:08,089 like, you know, maybe 581 00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:11,674 these parent council meetings aren't they're needed, but 582 00:21:11,674 --> 00:21:13,674 then once a quarter just seems like too 583 00:21:13,674 --> 00:21:14,974 few. Right? And 584 00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,515 what if you had did it more often 585 00:21:17,515 --> 00:21:18,894 knowing that at home, 586 00:21:19,195 --> 00:21:21,855 that learning experience has been accentuated 587 00:21:22,154 --> 00:21:24,714 then even better. Right? But then it's just 588 00:21:24,714 --> 00:21:28,000 tricky with that second hour that somebody kind 589 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,920 of are battling for the focus and yes, 590 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,680 Sunday school should be a focus and then 591 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,960 it's every other week and then it gets 592 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,080 tricky. So, Brent, go ahead. Yeah. It's an 593 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,764 interesting one. In our ward, we've got a 594 00:21:38,764 --> 00:21:42,224 100 people attending and 700 people who don't 595 00:21:42,284 --> 00:21:44,524 feel welcome to attend for one reason reason 596 00:21:44,524 --> 00:21:47,904 or another. So big numbers of less active. 597 00:21:48,044 --> 00:21:50,065 And I did get a question from 598 00:21:50,619 --> 00:21:52,859 the primary president about parents. Is there a 599 00:21:52,859 --> 00:21:54,460 way to get the kids to be more 600 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:54,960 prepared 601 00:21:55,259 --> 00:21:57,279 to for when they're in class? She said, 602 00:21:57,339 --> 00:21:59,339 quote air quotes, it would make my job 603 00:21:59,339 --> 00:22:01,039 easier if they arrived prepared. 604 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:04,785 And I about came uncorked a little bit. 605 00:22:04,785 --> 00:22:06,945 Cause I was just so grateful that those 606 00:22:06,945 --> 00:22:09,265 primary kids were there. And I have a 607 00:22:09,265 --> 00:22:11,105 feeling in some of those cases, it's the 608 00:22:11,105 --> 00:22:13,025 only gospel instruction they get. So I kind 609 00:22:13,025 --> 00:22:14,945 of savored that they were there and we're 610 00:22:14,945 --> 00:22:17,045 getting to get some gospel instruction 611 00:22:17,659 --> 00:22:19,839 rather than maybe the ideal 612 00:22:20,539 --> 00:22:23,259 of they're holding family home evenings seven nights 613 00:22:23,259 --> 00:22:23,839 a week 614 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:26,779 and, sending their kids church prepared so it 615 00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:30,380 makes Sunday school president or the, primary president's 616 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:33,644 job easier. So it's an interesting thing. From 617 00:22:33,644 --> 00:22:36,444 the Sunday school president role, I've been working 618 00:22:36,444 --> 00:22:38,125 with people to make sure to teach your 619 00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:40,365 lesson around just a little nugget that they 620 00:22:40,365 --> 00:22:42,684 can take home and have a discussion with 621 00:22:42,684 --> 00:22:43,345 their family 622 00:22:43,660 --> 00:22:45,740 around the dinner table or maybe with their 623 00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:47,759 family members that are not attending church. 624 00:22:48,059 --> 00:22:50,319 So a really memorable little nugget. 625 00:22:50,619 --> 00:22:51,119 And 626 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:53,339 instead of what did you learn at Sunday 627 00:22:53,339 --> 00:22:55,740 school and whether it's a youth or an 628 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:58,484 adult and they say, I don't know. We 629 00:22:58,484 --> 00:23:00,265 just talked about a bunch of stuff today. 630 00:23:00,484 --> 00:23:02,265 Get a little nugget so our, our 631 00:23:02,565 --> 00:23:05,045 teaching at church can also carry back home, 632 00:23:05,045 --> 00:23:06,565 but I haven't figured out a way to 633 00:23:06,565 --> 00:23:08,884 get it to go from home and come 634 00:23:08,884 --> 00:23:11,779 back and make a primary president's job easier. 635 00:23:11,779 --> 00:23:13,799 So Mhmm. That's my 2¢. 636 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:14,600 Interesting. 637 00:23:15,059 --> 00:23:17,299 Jeff, would would you like that? Yeah. I 638 00:23:17,299 --> 00:23:19,140 I don't wanna keep going back to the 639 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:21,619 parenting councils if No. You're good. That's fine. 640 00:23:21,619 --> 00:23:24,035 But and I appreciate that link that was 641 00:23:24,035 --> 00:23:26,215 sent. I haven't read it. I can't multitask 642 00:23:26,355 --> 00:23:28,195 like that, but I will read it and 643 00:23:28,195 --> 00:23:30,674 definitely probably gain from that. But when I 644 00:23:30,674 --> 00:23:32,755 was first given this assignment, I called up 645 00:23:32,755 --> 00:23:34,595 to our state person and I said, hey. 646 00:23:34,595 --> 00:23:36,674 Is there any wards in the state that 647 00:23:36,674 --> 00:23:38,490 are doing this? Because it is a secondary 648 00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:40,390 thing. We put a lot of focus on 649 00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:41,529 the teacher councils 650 00:23:41,910 --> 00:23:44,150 at the ward, but the parent council, I 651 00:23:44,150 --> 00:23:46,230 hadn't heard much about. And he said, oh, 652 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:48,710 yeah. Matter of fact, this Friday, they're having 653 00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:50,710 one over at our ward in another part 654 00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:52,605 of our state. So I went and I 655 00:23:52,605 --> 00:23:54,765 visited that and they did meet on a 656 00:23:54,765 --> 00:23:55,744 monthly basis. 657 00:23:56,205 --> 00:23:58,205 And it was, you know, kind of young 658 00:23:58,205 --> 00:24:00,285 parents with all the same issues of raising 659 00:24:00,285 --> 00:24:02,205 kids and things like that, and yet they 660 00:24:02,205 --> 00:24:04,224 made it into almost a date night 661 00:24:04,605 --> 00:24:06,779 type thing. And so it was I thought 662 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,619 that was really good. I didn't know. I 663 00:24:08,619 --> 00:24:11,099 went back to the the handbook, and I 664 00:24:11,099 --> 00:24:13,900 didn't really see where it, might say something 665 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:15,579 in this article, but I didn't really see 666 00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:18,079 where it encouraged it on a non Sunday. 667 00:24:18,414 --> 00:24:20,174 But for these people, it was looked at 668 00:24:20,174 --> 00:24:22,414 as something exciting. They even had the kids 669 00:24:22,414 --> 00:24:24,255 in the, all the kids came and were 670 00:24:24,255 --> 00:24:26,255 playing in the in the gym and everything 671 00:24:26,255 --> 00:24:28,255 while they had this lesson or this not 672 00:24:28,255 --> 00:24:30,515 lesson, but this sharing time 673 00:24:30,815 --> 00:24:33,059 on what sort of issues were going on. 674 00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:35,220 But I really thought that that was really 675 00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:37,059 cool, that they were having it on monthly. 676 00:24:37,059 --> 00:24:38,820 It was the same group. People could get 677 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:40,660 added to as they moved into the ward 678 00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:42,420 or as they decided they wanted to do 679 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:44,660 or heard good things about it. So there 680 00:24:44,660 --> 00:24:46,259 was no restrictions on it, but it was 681 00:24:46,259 --> 00:24:48,019 a group of people that really got together 682 00:24:48,019 --> 00:24:50,634 as friends and as kind of co parents 683 00:24:50,934 --> 00:24:52,554 with the same sorts of issues. 684 00:24:52,934 --> 00:24:55,335 So, I don't know if any I was 685 00:24:55,335 --> 00:24:56,934 coming to see if any of you had 686 00:24:56,934 --> 00:24:57,674 had experience, 687 00:24:58,294 --> 00:25:00,615 you know, with the parent council and I 688 00:25:00,615 --> 00:25:02,579 do see the benefits of it. But like 689 00:25:02,579 --> 00:25:04,740 you said earlier, one more thing on the 690 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:05,240 Sunday 691 00:25:05,619 --> 00:25:07,619 to take people away from other things that 692 00:25:07,619 --> 00:25:09,859 are just, you know, important as well. I 693 00:25:09,859 --> 00:25:11,619 wasn't sure that, you know, that was the 694 00:25:11,619 --> 00:25:13,539 route. And then the feedback from the bishop 695 00:25:13,539 --> 00:25:15,220 to have it more often, I was kind 696 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:17,799 of surprised at that because it's suggested quarterly. 697 00:25:18,075 --> 00:25:20,554 But you can imagine that teachers getting together 698 00:25:20,554 --> 00:25:22,835 quarterly is fine because, yeah, it gives you 699 00:25:22,835 --> 00:25:24,954 a chance to overview the the issues of 700 00:25:24,954 --> 00:25:26,014 the thing. But parents, 701 00:25:26,315 --> 00:25:28,554 you know, and knowing one another and having 702 00:25:28,554 --> 00:25:30,974 some sort of energy of the whole group, 703 00:25:31,034 --> 00:25:32,990 it is pretty hard to go, you know, 704 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:35,230 every three months and kinda oh, yeah. Now 705 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:36,750 who are you? That sort of thing. It's 706 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:38,670 you never seem to get to know people. 707 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:41,330 Yeah. And and definitely parents are you know, 708 00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:43,390 in best case scenario, they're they're teaching the 709 00:25:43,390 --> 00:25:45,630 gospel in the home every day, maybe or 710 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:47,515 at least every week where, you know, a 711 00:25:47,515 --> 00:25:50,954 gospel doctrine or, elders quorum teachers, you know, 712 00:25:50,954 --> 00:25:53,194 maybe in a quarter, maybe they only teach 713 00:25:53,194 --> 00:25:55,355 twice if that. Right. And I love this 714 00:25:55,355 --> 00:25:58,315 concept of just, you know, creating something outside 715 00:25:58,315 --> 00:26:00,234 the Sunday block. That's there as a resource. 716 00:26:00,234 --> 00:26:02,700 And cause I I'm sure there's many parents 717 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,299 who think, you know what? I'm feel pretty 718 00:26:04,299 --> 00:26:06,220 good about pretty confident about what I'm doing 719 00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:07,980 in my home, or I don't necessarily need 720 00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:10,240 that. And that's okay. Right. But those who 721 00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:12,380 feel like I could really use that and 722 00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:14,380 it's more of a social function and maybe 723 00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:16,140 more, a little more casual. There's there might 724 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:17,714 be a reason to go that route. So 725 00:26:17,714 --> 00:26:19,875 I appreciate that. That thought DJ, go ahead. 726 00:26:19,875 --> 00:26:21,954 I just wanted to say that our we've 727 00:26:21,954 --> 00:26:24,515 had some success with those simply because people 728 00:26:24,515 --> 00:26:27,234 have opened up and like, kind of gotten 729 00:26:27,234 --> 00:26:28,855 rid of this misconception 730 00:26:29,315 --> 00:26:29,815 that 731 00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:32,529 everybody else is just sitting there holding hands 732 00:26:32,529 --> 00:26:33,349 singing Kumbaya 733 00:26:33,970 --> 00:26:36,369 and having this wonderful time. And then people 734 00:26:36,369 --> 00:26:37,970 share the like, yeah. It's like, it's a 735 00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:40,069 constant fight to get my kids to stop 736 00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:42,130 messing with stuff, you know, toys that they 737 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:44,284 brought or just to pay attention. And one 738 00:26:44,284 --> 00:26:46,125 of the things that I shared that really 739 00:26:46,125 --> 00:26:47,724 hit me hard when I when I figured 740 00:26:47,724 --> 00:26:49,025 it out is about a year ago. 741 00:26:56,204 --> 00:26:58,125 Hey. Thanks for listening to this episode. We're 742 00:26:58,125 --> 00:26:59,519 actually gonna cut it short a little bit. 743 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:01,360 If you wanna listen to the entirety of 744 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:02,180 this conversation, 745 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,400 head on over to the leading saints community. 746 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000 You can, find the link in the show 747 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,580 notes and you can watch the extended cut 748 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,480 there, and I think you'll benefit from it. 749 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,160 So come join us over at the leading 750 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:12,980 saints community. 751 00:27:22,634 --> 00:27:25,055 It came as a result of the position 752 00:27:25,195 --> 00:27:28,174 of leadership, which was imposed upon us 753 00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:31,369 by the God of heaven, who brought forth 754 00:27:31,369 --> 00:27:34,910 a restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 755 00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:36,590 When the declaration 756 00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:39,230 was made concerning the only 757 00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:42,410 true and living Church upon the face of 758 00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:43,065 the earth, 759 00:27:43,625 --> 00:27:46,284 We were immediately put in a position of 760 00:27:46,424 --> 00:27:46,924 loneliness, 761 00:27:47,304 --> 00:27:47,884 the loneliness 762 00:27:48,184 --> 00:27:48,845 of leadership 763 00:27:49,544 --> 00:27:52,524 from which we cannot shrink nor run away, 764 00:27:53,224 --> 00:27:55,704 and to which we must face up with 765 00:27:55,704 --> 00:27:57,244 boldness and courage 766 00:27:57,784 --> 00:27:58,524 and ability.