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link.

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The following episode is a throwback episode, one

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that was published previously and was extremely popular.

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To see the details of when this was

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originally published, see the show notes. Enjoy this

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throwback episode.

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In this episode, I talk with Clint Pulver.

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If you don't know Clint Pulver,

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I consider him a friend. He is awesome.

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What he's doing in life, he is living

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his larger story in ways that make me

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get up in the morning and say, I

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gotta keep up with Clint Pulver. He's doing

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some great stuff. He wrote a book called

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I Love It Here, How Great Leaders Create

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Organizations Their People Never Want to Leave. And,

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obviously, he wrote it for, just a, you

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know, general leadership audience. But

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this book is

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so helpful, could be so helpful for leaders

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in the church to say, you know what?

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How do great leaders create wards and quorums

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and relief society organizations? Their people never want

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to leave. And we discussed these some of

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these principles here. We don't give it justice.

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His research and all the things that went

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into this book, you've gotta check it out,

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and you're going to love it. But just

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a fantastic conversation.

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In the beginning, we're sort of,

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I hope you don't we're sort of, you

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know, beating around these principles a little bit

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and trying to to fill out some running

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room here.

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of coming down hard on leaders or, you

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know, they gotta do this differently that. Hey.

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heart, and that's at the end of the

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day, you know, maybe we don't know what

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we're talking about, and you can move on

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to their principles. But such a good book,

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well researched. Here's my interview with Clint Pulver,

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the author of I Love It Here.

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So here I am with, Clint Pulver, the

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former guest of of the Leading Saints podcast.

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How are you, Clint? I'm doing really well,

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Kurt. Thanks for having me back. Well, I

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couldn't resist having you back. You just came

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out with a book and a book that

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I love, has love in the title as

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well, called I Love It Here, How Great

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Leaders Create Organizations

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Their People Never Want to Leave. And we

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our first interview. I think we touched on

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some broader principles. But just tell us about

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this journey. Like, how's it been writing a

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book, and, how's everybody responding to it? I

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will never do it again.

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hardest thing probably in my life. It's been

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four years. And I think here's the thing.

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then when you tie research into it, it's

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just a whole another ball of craziness.

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organizations that I've worked with. In over four

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years, I've interviewed over 10,000

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undercover millennial programs, kinda like undercover boss without

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the makeup. And myself being a millennial, I

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would go into these organizations

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as someone who was looking for a job.

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first person I saw, and I would say,

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hey. What's it like to work here? I'm

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just I'm thinking about applying. You know? Would

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you recommend it? And then the employee always

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gets quiet. You know? They look around, and

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it feels like an illegal drug exchange.

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good, the bad, what they love, what they

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it. And the cool part is, you know,

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got honesty. I got authentic answers. This was

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not I didn't want it to be another

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leadership book written by a, you know, a

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leadership expert.

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I wanted the book written through the lens

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of 10,000 employees who knew when their leaders

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were getting it right. And it was just

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yeah. It was so much work, but it

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was so cool because their stories

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were told. They didn't know that they were

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being told, but they were told. Yeah. And

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and, you know, and then and that's why

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I called the book I Love It Here

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is when that would trend in an organization,

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when I would go to the first employee,

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then the second, and the third, and they

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would say, I love it here. You gotta

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apply. I love my manager, Susie. She's amazing.

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would find out what those leaders were doing

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to create that type of a response

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in their organization.

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just so much appreciated the parallels I saw

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from you know, obviously, you're right in the

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context of, you know, business organizations or, you

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know, organizations in general, but there's so many

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parallels to church organization. And and it's interesting.

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we hit record of of the dynamic in

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the church,

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in our church, as far as loving your

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ward. Right? And there's there's moments, and I'm

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moving into a ward right now. And and,

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you know, there's and I've been in other

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wards. I haven't felt it from this ward.

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know, you move into a ward and you

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sort of say, how is it how is

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it here? Or how's the primary or whatever?

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and people might say, like, alright. Listen. You

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know, it's great that, you know, the primary

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presidency struggles or whatever and or, you know,

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whatever the the issue is. And so but

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in our in our church dynamic, it's interesting

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because we sort of don't have a choice.

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it's like, oh, well, we gotta make sure

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our people love it here because they can

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quit tomorrow and go work somewhere else. Where

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in the church, it's sort of like, well,

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you live here. You're gonna have to move.

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ward. And so but sometimes we take it

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for granted that, you know, we're, you know,

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I'm a church leader. I'm not experienced. So,

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you know, I'll do my best, but you

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have to attend here regardless. So, you know,

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and so I appreciated some of those parallels.

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in your own experience in the church? Yeah.

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Totally. I mean, in even on the business

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sense. Like, I would go I would work

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with Verizon,

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and I would go into one Verizon store,

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and it would be amazing. And then I'd

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go into another Verizon store literally four blocks

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down the street, and their retention was

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so low, disengaged employees, people hated their job,

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turnover was constant, and you see that in

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the church. Right? You have those people where

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you're like, man, I just our ward is

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so good. Like, I'm in the best ward

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that I've ever been in. And then you

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you you do have it. It's like, nah.

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ward. Like, I remember in singles wards. Like,

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every singles ward, hour by hour, is in

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the same chapel. It's in the same building,

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but they all had a different culture. It's

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the same gospel,

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different culture.

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to those decisions that the leaders are making

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in that chapel, in that ward that, yes,

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obviously, we're teaching the same gospel, but there's

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more to it than that when we're trying

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to create a good culture in our ward.

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interviews, maybe explore some of those concepts that

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will hopefully push people to to check out

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the book. But, you know, what are some

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some basic things that people can do to

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start

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doing things differently so that people begin to

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say, you know, this is this is where

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I wanna be, you know, because there's this

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quote in in, you put in the book,

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says reality is if your people can't grow

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where they are, they will leave and grow

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somewhere else. And, again, that doesn't mean that

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they'll leave the ward and go somewhere else,

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but they may leave mentally, you know, or

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they may leave culturally and say, I I

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show up for sacrament, but I'm not engaging

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here in the ward. Right? I guarantee you

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right now, Kurt, there are so many members

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of the church that, unfortunately and maybe this

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could just be a bad perception. This is

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not research. This is just my own, like,

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observations of where I'm at right now in

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our stake and in our ward. I think

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there's many, many, many members. The only time

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that they're really connecting with Christ, they really

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are associating with our ward is for that

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sixty minutes on Sunday during your your virtual

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sacrament meeting. Mhmm. No. That's it? Yeah. That's

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it? Like, when when else are we meeting?

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What else are we doing? Like, I think

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engagement is at a all time low. And,

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yes, we have come follow me. Yes. You

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need to be doing stuff at home. Yes.

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You should still be ministering. But there is

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something about us gathering together, having the connection,

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seeing your neighbors more than once every six

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months that helps to create that. So so

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first of all, I we need to call

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a spade a spade. It's just hard right

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now. Yeah. Like, there's Yeah. Bishops, there's stake

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presidents that are listening to this, and they're

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like, yeah, dude. I get it. I remember

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how it was before, but it's not the

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same way right now. And it is just

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tough. And I so I think, like, first,

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like, admitting that. Like, be okay with realizing

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that it's not the way it used to

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be, but also be open to the possibilities

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that we can change a few things. I

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mean and you're right. Like, the quote that

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you you talked about, like, millennials, the younger

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generation, they can go to Google. Like, why

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should they go to virtual church? Why should

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they sit in on virtual young men's thing

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you're gonna sit there and ask some awkward

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questions and hang out and talk about careers?

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Like, why? Why would they do that when

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they can go and just get the answers

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on Google? So the point, I guess, I'm

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trying to make first off is that everybody

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right now, whether you're in the church or

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in an organization, most people are asking that

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community, let me know when it gets to

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the part about me. And some leaders hear

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that and they go, well, those entitled little,

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you

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know, bad. But it's not so much about

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entitlement as it is about good business, right,

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about bringing the spirit into our wards, bringing

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community

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into our wards, bringing a place where people

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have a friend, Right? Where they're seen, they're

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heard, they're understood.

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And so I think, you know, just that

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simple perspective shift when we realize that, okay,

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it's easy to say, like, this is the

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gospel. We have the gospel. We have the

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eternal salvation, the principles, the ordinances, the keys.

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Why wouldn't you come and be a part

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of that? But also remembering, okay. Well, I

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need to capture your heart. I still need

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to make sure you have a friend. I

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still need to make sure that the the

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soft skills, the intangibles are being focused on.

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My family, we got COVID. We had it

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for,

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we obviously we did this whole ten day

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quarantine thing. It killed me. It floored me.

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And the thing I remember the most is

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not being quarantined, not binging Netflix.

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I remember president Budge, my stake president, picking

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up the phone. K? Doesn't a phone sound

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so 02/2018?

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Like, what? A phone? Like, he didn't Zoom

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call me. He he didn't text me. He

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didn't send me an email

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in the on LDS tools. He didn't no.

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He called me, and he said, hey. Listen.

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I'm not calling to talk about I counsel

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stuff. I'm not talking to I I just

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wanna know how you're doing. I heard you

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and the family are struggling. I know you

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had a little baby in the NICU. What

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do you need? What do you need? How

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can we help you? We are here to

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help you. That's the moment I remember. That's

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the moment I treasure, and I will not

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forget that. And, yeah, he runs really great

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meetings. Yes. We have really awesome state conference

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get togethers, and, yes, our missionary work is

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doing awesome. But I remember when he got

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to the part about me. And did that

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take him time? Yes. Did it take some

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effort out of his workday and the busy

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schedule that he already has? Yes.

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But it was a moment that I think

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I have seen time and time again that

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when great leaders do that, when they create

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those little moments of connection, the intangibles,

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and they get to the part about their

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members, it builds a stronger culture. It builds

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loyalty. We get to the people, not just

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about the gospel. It's the people within the

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gospel that I think makes it such a

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beautiful thing. Yeah. And and I noticed that

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one of the anchoring principles of your book

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is this concept of connection. Like, people really

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need a connection there, a personal connection, a

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real connection. Right? And so, you know, getting

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to the part about them, right, or the

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person that's that's in your,

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ward, quorum, organization, whatever it is, like, that's

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I mean, it's easier said than done. Like,

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where where would you tell people to start?

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Like, leaders, where could they start to really

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make it a part make it about them?

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Because it goes, no. No. No, Chris. It's

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it's about Jesus. Alright? We gotta make it

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about Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. I think sometimes, like,

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as leaders, we stand in front of a

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fireplace and we say, give me heat, then

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I'll give you wood. Like, we we kinda

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go, well, don't you know that we have

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the ordinances and the same principles? Like, why

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would you not come? Come to church. That's

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so that's so weird. When, again, it's like

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giving people a reason to because, yes, it

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is a community.

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That's like like, I don't know. I I

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speak to kids a lot. And sometimes people

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think it's weird that, like, I start out

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funny or I start out with some humor,

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and they're like, well, why don't you just

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go in and start talking about the gospel?

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It's like, I've gotta open up that window.

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I have to give them a reason to

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connect with me. Then I can influence. Then

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we can talk about Jesus. Then we can

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talk about gospel. But, again, it's getting to

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the part about them. So I think, obviously,

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there's your obvious first answers of, you know,

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going to your ward council.

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A lot of churches, wards, stakes are doing

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surveys right now. They're asking their people, you

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know, are you having come follow me at

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home? How is your virtual sacrament meetings? You

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know, what would you like to see more

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from us? Like, those are some very obvious

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things. You know, picking up the phone. Right?

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In their ward councils, who are the three

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people that we're the most worried about? Which

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families? And then pick up the phone and

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call them. You know? And if if social

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distancing right now, I know it's a little

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bit of a weird time, but, you know,

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maybe it's not just knocking on the door

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and say, hey. Can we come in and

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talk and see how you're doing? But drop

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off some cookies. You know? Write a note.

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Those little things, I think, go a long

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ways. And, again, we're in a weird time,

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so there's only so much that we can

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do, but those little efforts matter. Yeah. And

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and I love that as you talk about

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in the book is, you know, in order

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to get to the connection part, you sort

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of have to step back and take an

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assessment.

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You said said in the book, if you

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don't know why your people are leaving, you

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won't know what you need to change to

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entice them to stay to stay. Now, obviously,

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you're tying in the context of, like, a

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business organization and but there are people that

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leave the church and sometimes you think, Like,

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I don't get it. Right? You just mentioned,

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like, we have all the we got the

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keys. We have the restored gospel. I mean,

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this is why would they leave? Right? And

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so to really understand how to build connection,

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you have to step back and ask yourself

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some tough questions to assess your organization. You

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know, what is it you offer to your

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organization? So anything you'd add to that as

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far as assessing your organization so you know

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where to begin to to develop that connection

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or or to work. I think sometimes, like,

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as leaders and especially leadership in the church,

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it's kinda like the age old adage of,

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like, if you feed a man a fish,

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then you feed him for a day. Mhmm.

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But if you can teach him, if you

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teach the man to fish, then you feed

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him for a lifetime. Every time I hear

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that, I go, who said the guy wanted

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a fish?

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Who said the guy wanted a fish? Like,

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I'm not really a fish guy. I don't

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like fish. But the the principle is is,

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again, asking people. Right? And, again, in revel

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in, like, revelation and church and you you

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have the keys and you are being guided.

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But, again, remember, we have to get buy

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in from the individuals that we're guiding. Yes.

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You have revelation, and you have the opportunity

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to to be

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given that, which is great. But, again, it's

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it's helping it's opening up the window for

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that to happen.

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I had a

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a bishop that he just drive missionary work,

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you know, and that was a lot of

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the stakes agenda. You gotta drive missionary work,

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missionary work, missionary work, missionary work. What the

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members really wanted was award activity.

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They just wanted award activity, and they hadn't

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planned an activity forever. And so it it's,

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again, it's it's taking a minute to go,

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okay. I know there's, like, the vision of

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what I want, but also consider what the

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people want. And that's where the word councils

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come in, where you do more listening than

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you do talking.

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And I think that pays that pays off.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's this interesting dynamic

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in the church, which is incredible and and

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a wonderful blessing as that is, you know,

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many leaders giving keys or we're functioning under

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keys to receive inspiration to know how to

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move forward. And sometimes there's that bishop or

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someone who says it's missionary work. Like, I'm

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going to plant my flag in missionary work,

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and that's where I'm taking the ward, you

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know, and and you get momentum. You're excited,

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but you never ask the ward like, well,

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do you want to be a part of

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missionary work? So maybe some will think, I

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don't necessarily wanna go that direction. Like, I'm

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busy with other things that are taking me

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a different direction. Right? And so that doesn't

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mean you have to not do missionary work,

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but you have to reconcile that gap between

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where you wanna take the ward and what

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they want. Because if you take them somewhere

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they don't wanna go, it's gonna be a

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long drag,

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long haul. Right? There was always clear distinctions

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between

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leadership, like traditional leadership versus mentorship.

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Mhmm. So for example, like when an employee

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hated their job, they talked about the manager.

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But when an employee loved their job, they

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talked about the mentor. And the same thing,

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I think, happens in the church. Like, I

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look back at some of the most influential

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leaders in my life, relief society presidents, bishops,

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mission presidents, stake presidents, even elders quorum teachers,

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primary teachers. Like, people that really made a

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difference in my life, they were really mentors

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more than they were leaders. And sometimes that

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traditional leadership view of you plant the flag.

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Right? You are the leader. What's the vision?

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Where are you going to take the ship?

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Where mentorship is about

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what are you doing for the people on

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the ship? How are you taking care of

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the people on the ship? How are you

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getting to the part about them? How are

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you connecting individuals to the savior, not just

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the ward as a whole? And so it

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was really beautiful to see

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when people would talk about that because nobody

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really talked about the leader. I love our

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I mean, our CEO's vision for the year

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is amazing. That's why I said

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nobody said that. Nobody

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said that. What they talked about is the

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time when the manager, you know, sent flowers

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to their wife when they were sick. What

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they talked about was when that was the

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manager sat down and said, hey. Where do

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you wanna go? And how can I get

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help you get there? I appreciate what you're

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doing. Let's give you a little bit of

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a raise. Let's help you get where you

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wanna go. So our manager took time to

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connect. Right? The phone calls, the little things.

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And, again, we sometimes write it off because

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it's a soft skill or it's an intangible.

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But to your people,

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that is the thing that they remember. That

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is the thing that they talk about. Yeah.

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00:17:48,299 --> 00:17:49,740
You know, there's sort of this, like, push

517
00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:51,419
and pull dynamic where you sort of have

518
00:17:51,419 --> 00:17:52,720
to walk into their worlds

519
00:17:53,179 --> 00:17:55,099
so that you can get them to walk

520
00:17:55,099 --> 00:17:57,359
into your vision. Right? Like, if you don't

521
00:17:57,579 --> 00:18:00,055
truly understand them because it's not like you

522
00:18:00,055 --> 00:18:01,654
know, I sort of give the example earlier.

523
00:18:01,654 --> 00:18:02,855
I don't think people are sitting at home

524
00:18:02,855 --> 00:18:04,535
like, I don't like I'm not doing missionary

525
00:18:04,535 --> 00:18:06,535
work. It's not my thing or whatever. But

526
00:18:06,535 --> 00:18:08,134
it's more of like, you know what? That's

527
00:18:08,134 --> 00:18:10,134
great that that leader has that vision and

528
00:18:10,134 --> 00:18:11,815
wants to take the word in that direction

529
00:18:11,815 --> 00:18:14,500
or the core, but he's not once tried

530
00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:16,559
to come and engage with me or try

531
00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,500
and understand my wants and needs.

532
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,839
And even if and once that leader does

533
00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:22,659
that, then

534
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,599
they they'll march into any any war with

535
00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:27,565
them. Right? Like, they've won them over. They

536
00:18:27,565 --> 00:18:29,164
see the trust. They're like, great. You know

537
00:18:29,164 --> 00:18:31,644
me. You see me. You understand me. Let's

538
00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:33,724
go. Yeah. There's four types of bishops. And

539
00:18:33,724 --> 00:18:34,924
and we even saw, you know, four types

540
00:18:34,924 --> 00:18:36,764
of leaders, four types of managers, whatever you

541
00:18:36,764 --> 00:18:38,444
wanna call them. Four types of elders, quorum

542
00:18:38,444 --> 00:18:40,204
president, relief society president. You have you have

543
00:18:40,204 --> 00:18:41,900
the bishop that's that's removed, or you have

544
00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:44,380
the relief society president that's removed. She's been

545
00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:45,980
in the calling for two years, and she's

546
00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:46,880
just done.

547
00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:50,220
No one likes standards, like, ministering, like, does

548
00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:52,779
not report the numbers. Just it it's she's

549
00:18:52,779 --> 00:18:55,365
busy raising seven children at home. Like, she's

550
00:18:55,365 --> 00:18:56,725
just not doing that. Right? And then on

551
00:18:56,725 --> 00:18:58,965
the connection side, she has no time, and

552
00:18:58,965 --> 00:19:01,525
so she's just she's removed. And then second,

553
00:19:01,525 --> 00:19:02,184
you find,

554
00:19:02,485 --> 00:19:04,245
you know, the buddy. You have the the,

555
00:19:04,245 --> 00:19:05,924
you know, the really good bishops that are

556
00:19:05,924 --> 00:19:08,005
really good at being friends with people, but

557
00:19:08,005 --> 00:19:09,899
then the ad the admin side of the

558
00:19:09,899 --> 00:19:12,059
church is a mess. You know, the standards,

559
00:19:12,059 --> 00:19:14,379
the development, growing people, you know, even holding

560
00:19:14,379 --> 00:19:17,019
people accountable to some part. Yeah. Elder storm's

561
00:19:17,019 --> 00:19:19,339
drowning because the bishop's not helping to crack

562
00:19:19,339 --> 00:19:21,419
the whip to help people get where they

563
00:19:21,419 --> 00:19:22,460
need to be or do what they need

564
00:19:22,460 --> 00:19:23,740
to do or whatever. Like, they're low on

565
00:19:23,740 --> 00:19:25,724
standards. So that creates a little sense of

566
00:19:25,724 --> 00:19:27,724
entitlement. That's where you have, like, the relief

567
00:19:27,724 --> 00:19:29,644
society president is more of the bishop than

568
00:19:29,644 --> 00:19:31,805
the bishop is, or you have the the

569
00:19:31,805 --> 00:19:34,445
young women's president that is is running the

570
00:19:34,445 --> 00:19:36,365
show more than anybody else because I I

571
00:19:36,365 --> 00:19:38,789
don't know. It's that you're low on standards,

572
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:40,549
high on connections, so there's a little sense

573
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:42,630
of entitlement that cap that comes with that.

574
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:44,710
And then third So this is like the

575
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:47,450
the the quadrant you're explaining. Right? Yeah. Totally.

576
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:49,450
On one side, there's it's high standards,

577
00:19:49,964 --> 00:19:51,884
high accountability, and on the other side, it's

578
00:19:51,884 --> 00:19:53,724
high love. Right? Yeah. High Or low love.

579
00:19:53,804 --> 00:19:56,125
Empathy. Yeah. Yeah. Getting part about the people.

580
00:19:56,125 --> 00:19:57,565
And then you the third one is the

581
00:19:57,565 --> 00:19:58,065
controller.

582
00:19:58,365 --> 00:20:00,384
Like, they're all about the gospel, the doctrine.

583
00:20:00,525 --> 00:20:01,884
I'm not here to be your friend. Like,

584
00:20:01,884 --> 00:20:03,244
this is the way Jesus wants you to

585
00:20:03,244 --> 00:20:05,660
live. So do that. Be perfect. Right? It's

586
00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:09,580
all about development. It's it's like obedience, 100%

587
00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:11,900
obedience. We are exactly obedient. Right? There's no

588
00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:12,400
leeway.

589
00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,779
There's no, there's no real room for connection.

590
00:20:14,779 --> 00:20:16,940
So then that creates rebellion. Right? We're throwing

591
00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:19,194
the book at people instead of remembering that

592
00:20:19,194 --> 00:20:20,474
they're people. How do we get to their

593
00:20:20,474 --> 00:20:22,974
heart? And then four, it was that mentor

594
00:20:23,355 --> 00:20:26,714
manager, that mentor relief society president, that mentor

595
00:20:26,714 --> 00:20:28,875
bishop. They were high on standards, but they

596
00:20:28,875 --> 00:20:30,335
were equally high on connection.

597
00:20:30,679 --> 00:20:33,179
And that created respect. That was the beautiful

598
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:33,740
formula

599
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,980
that really created the opportunity

600
00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:37,179
to be influential

601
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,960
in people's lives. Yeah. And so it's really

602
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,960
that balance of because especially in the church,

603
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,960
we're in a volunteer organization. And so it's

604
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,954
like, I don't want to push people too

605
00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:48,034
hard. They're just volunteering and they've got other

606
00:20:48,275 --> 00:20:50,355
they got families, they got jobs. And so

607
00:20:50,355 --> 00:20:52,034
I'm going to just hold back. And then

608
00:20:52,034 --> 00:20:54,115
you sort of turn into that leader who's

609
00:20:54,115 --> 00:20:56,434
like really nice and like but can't hold

610
00:20:56,434 --> 00:20:58,434
anybody accountable because he feels like he'll lose

611
00:20:58,434 --> 00:21:00,289
them if they hold them if they get

612
00:21:00,289 --> 00:21:02,210
held accountable. And so it's That's right. It's

613
00:21:02,210 --> 00:21:04,130
a lot of love, but it's like, oh,

614
00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:05,809
you didn't do that for the fourth time

615
00:21:05,809 --> 00:21:07,650
I asked you. Okay. Hey. No problem. You

616
00:21:07,650 --> 00:21:09,570
know? Let's give it another go this week.

617
00:21:09,570 --> 00:21:12,744
Right? Yes. And nothing ever happens. Yeah. Yeah.

618
00:21:12,744 --> 00:21:14,904
Yeah. But and you remember. Right? You can

619
00:21:14,904 --> 00:21:17,384
look back in your your church life. You

620
00:21:17,384 --> 00:21:20,105
remember the really awesome bishops. You remember the

621
00:21:20,105 --> 00:21:21,724
great Relief Society presidents,

622
00:21:22,025 --> 00:21:24,025
the great my my man, the young men's

623
00:21:24,025 --> 00:21:26,079
leaders that I had where, you know, if

624
00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:27,759
I was later, I wasn't getting somewhere or

625
00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:29,039
I need like, they would crack the whip

626
00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:30,480
on me. They'd be like, come on, Pulver.

627
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,380
What's your deal?

628
00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:33,299
Also loved me.

629
00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:34,799
Make sure that I would I don't know.

630
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:36,799
It was just Like, because you can't go

631
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,855
there unless you've established that foundation. Exactly. Because

632
00:21:39,855 --> 00:21:41,855
if you do, then they'll they'll just rebel.

633
00:21:41,855 --> 00:21:43,855
Right? You have to build relationships so strong

634
00:21:43,855 --> 00:21:45,615
that honesty can exist, but you have to

635
00:21:45,615 --> 00:21:47,454
make those deposits of trust. Right? And that

636
00:21:47,454 --> 00:21:49,615
allows you to withdraw more. But it's like

637
00:21:49,615 --> 00:21:52,015
the bank account principle and Yeah. Yeah. And

638
00:21:52,015 --> 00:21:53,900
that Yeah. Withdrawals and

639
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,100
deposits. Right? Yeah. Always happen in in relationships.

640
00:21:57,559 --> 00:21:59,160
So here here's what I'm I'm picking up

641
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,600
as we go through this because I wanna

642
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,600
make sure people sometimes we throw these principles

643
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,880
around. They sort of get lost in the

644
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,559
principles and they're like, okay. But what does

645
00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:07,340
that what does that mean to me today?

646
00:22:07,804 --> 00:22:09,404
If, you know, from what I learned from

647
00:22:09,404 --> 00:22:10,765
the book, like, the first place I would

648
00:22:10,765 --> 00:22:13,005
start is just that, okay. I'm I need

649
00:22:13,005 --> 00:22:14,924
an assessment of some type. It it doesn't

650
00:22:14,924 --> 00:22:16,444
necessarily have to be a survey. Maybe it

651
00:22:16,444 --> 00:22:18,444
is a survey. Maybe I just we just

652
00:22:18,444 --> 00:22:21,085
get our ward council together and say, okay.

653
00:22:21,085 --> 00:22:24,000
What are you seeing? Like, let's really dig

654
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,039
in here. Let's analyze everything. Our Zoom SACRA

655
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:28,799
meetings, like, give me your worst. Like, what's

656
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,559
working, what's not. Right? You're just sort of

657
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,960
unpacking everything, assessing everything Brain dump. And and

658
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,140
really, really looking at it. Yes. And then,

659
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,799
again, not that these are in any order,

660
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,555
but then as a leader focusing on that

661
00:22:39,555 --> 00:22:40,055
mentorship

662
00:22:40,515 --> 00:22:42,914
dynamic of saying, okay. Am I just sort

663
00:22:42,914 --> 00:22:45,154
of driving the admin train? Is there more

664
00:22:45,154 --> 00:22:47,234
I could do to connect? You know, the

665
00:22:47,234 --> 00:22:49,075
ministering interviews, how are those going? That's an

666
00:22:49,075 --> 00:22:51,715
opportunity to maybe a mentorship there. How can

667
00:22:51,715 --> 00:22:54,369
I build this foundation of love in order

668
00:22:54,369 --> 00:22:56,690
for them then I can be help hold

669
00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:59,090
people more accountable type thing? So the assessing

670
00:22:59,090 --> 00:23:01,570
part, the mentorship part, and we'll move on

671
00:23:01,570 --> 00:23:03,490
to where would you want where would you

672
00:23:03,490 --> 00:23:05,170
say we should go next as far as,

673
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:07,535
building these building blocks there? Yeah. I think

674
00:23:07,535 --> 00:23:09,134
one thing to consider, I think that's really

675
00:23:09,134 --> 00:23:11,055
helpful is to you know, do you have

676
00:23:11,055 --> 00:23:12,894
the right people in the right places? You

677
00:23:12,894 --> 00:23:14,414
know? Do you have a young men's president

678
00:23:14,414 --> 00:23:17,214
that's that removed young men's president that you

679
00:23:17,214 --> 00:23:18,595
haven't had a young men's

680
00:23:18,894 --> 00:23:20,974
get together a a meeting for the last

681
00:23:20,974 --> 00:23:21,714
four months?

682
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:23,890
Like, who do we need to coach out?

683
00:23:24,029 --> 00:23:25,869
Right? Maybe there's a time for a change.

684
00:23:25,869 --> 00:23:27,230
You know, great leaders, they were really good

685
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:28,750
at putting the right people, right, in the

686
00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:30,589
right positions. But, you know, do and then

687
00:23:30,589 --> 00:23:32,029
do you have someone maybe do you have

688
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:34,109
a a relief society president or elders quorum?

689
00:23:34,109 --> 00:23:36,015
Then they're the controller, and they are just

690
00:23:36,255 --> 00:23:36,755
driving

691
00:23:37,055 --> 00:23:37,954
people away.

692
00:23:38,255 --> 00:23:39,695
So I think it's it's not so much,

693
00:23:39,695 --> 00:23:40,195
again,

694
00:23:40,575 --> 00:23:43,295
yes, your leadership, your influence, your connection one

695
00:23:43,295 --> 00:23:45,315
on one, but also it's an organization.

696
00:23:45,775 --> 00:23:47,375
So do you have the right people in

697
00:23:47,375 --> 00:23:48,195
the right places?

698
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,559
And this gets really tricky in in in

699
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,279
our tradition because it's like you the the

700
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:54,880
bench is only so long. You know, the

701
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,759
the neighborhood is only so big or Yeah.

702
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,119
Or the ward is so so big. So

703
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,119
you can't recruit outside the ward. It's like,

704
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,484
well, this is who I got. And and

705
00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:03,704
then there's the

706
00:24:04,085 --> 00:24:05,365
dynamic on top of that of saying, well,

707
00:24:05,365 --> 00:24:07,444
you know, Clint, listen. These are we prayed

708
00:24:07,444 --> 00:24:10,005
about these callings. And though that release study

709
00:24:10,005 --> 00:24:12,325
president is sort of driving people with, you

710
00:24:12,325 --> 00:24:13,544
know, sort of

711
00:24:13,924 --> 00:24:16,085
a a heavy hand, like, that's who's supposed

712
00:24:16,085 --> 00:24:17,365
to be in there. So there's nothing I

713
00:24:17,365 --> 00:24:19,869
can do. Yeah. And I think, again, it's

714
00:24:19,869 --> 00:24:21,789
gonna be it's gonna be it's gonna depend

715
00:24:21,789 --> 00:24:24,769
on the situation. Right? Yeah. And revelation changes.

716
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:28,029
Situations change. People change. And so I think

717
00:24:28,029 --> 00:24:30,029
it's not you know, obviously, constantly taking it

718
00:24:30,029 --> 00:24:31,710
to the lord, and you're looking at at

719
00:24:31,710 --> 00:24:33,250
what's going on. What are the results?

720
00:24:33,595 --> 00:24:36,795
Because leadership still does matter. So be open

721
00:24:36,795 --> 00:24:39,035
to it. Pray about it. Think, ask. Oh,

722
00:24:39,035 --> 00:24:40,475
this do I need to make a change

723
00:24:40,475 --> 00:24:42,795
here? Yeah. There's one quote I'm looking for

724
00:24:42,795 --> 00:24:43,295
here.

725
00:24:43,755 --> 00:24:46,140
Yeah. So this quote here, finding out what

726
00:24:46,220 --> 00:24:48,380
a potential employee wants to achieve is an

727
00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:50,460
important part of determining whether they're a good

728
00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:53,039
fit for their job. Yeah. And I appreciate

729
00:24:53,099 --> 00:24:54,700
that, you know, in the context of the

730
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,960
church of saying, like, you know, sometimes

731
00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:59,579
we step into a calling simply because we've

732
00:24:59,579 --> 00:25:02,724
been called, but nobody really asked us, do

733
00:25:02,724 --> 00:25:04,644
you want to be here? Do you want

734
00:25:04,644 --> 00:25:07,144
to do it? And I've one controversial

735
00:25:07,445 --> 00:25:10,585
approach I've suggested with callings is sometimes

736
00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:12,965
the traditional ways, you know, you ask somebody

737
00:25:12,965 --> 00:25:14,950
to come in, they come sit in the

738
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:16,789
the Bishop's office and then the calling is

739
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:18,230
extended and and this is the first time

740
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:19,590
they've heard about it and then you're looking

741
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:21,750
for a yes or no, or mainly you're

742
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:23,670
just looking for a yes because Yeah. You

743
00:25:23,670 --> 00:25:25,590
know, this isn't we prayed about this and

744
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:27,295
so you should say yes. But Yep. If

745
00:25:27,295 --> 00:25:28,654
I was to do it again, I would

746
00:25:28,654 --> 00:25:29,154
probably

747
00:25:29,615 --> 00:25:31,615
first call people and say, hey. Listen, brother

748
00:25:31,615 --> 00:25:32,015
Jones.

749
00:25:32,494 --> 00:25:34,335
We we met as a bishopric. And,

750
00:25:34,894 --> 00:25:35,714
we are

751
00:25:36,255 --> 00:25:38,595
we're looking for a new Sunday school teacher,

752
00:25:38,815 --> 00:25:40,255
and we feel like you've been a good

753
00:25:40,255 --> 00:25:41,990
fit for a variety of reasons. We feel

754
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:43,690
good about it. We've prayed about it. But

755
00:25:43,829 --> 00:25:46,869
would you take the weekend and just ponder

756
00:25:46,869 --> 00:25:48,470
over that? Sit with that for a minute.

757
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:50,149
Maybe go to the temple, you know, when

758
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:51,589
when we did that. You know, whatever it

759
00:25:51,589 --> 00:25:54,009
is. Yeah. And then let's meet next Sunday

760
00:25:54,335 --> 00:25:55,694
and just see where we go from here

761
00:25:55,694 --> 00:25:57,375
to see if this is something you really

762
00:25:57,375 --> 00:25:59,615
want to do. Because I may feel inspired

763
00:25:59,615 --> 00:26:01,055
to to go this direction, but if you

764
00:26:01,055 --> 00:26:02,734
don't wanna do it, I think that says

765
00:26:02,734 --> 00:26:05,134
something that that would be worth talking about.

766
00:26:05,134 --> 00:26:07,214
Right? Great opportunity right there to also talk

767
00:26:07,214 --> 00:26:09,315
about the expectations of the calling.

768
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:11,829
You know? Like, with the relief society present,

769
00:26:11,829 --> 00:26:13,829
there's gonna be a few things that, as

770
00:26:13,829 --> 00:26:15,349
the bishop, I'm gonna expect you to do,

771
00:26:15,349 --> 00:26:16,950
like, that we really are looking for. As

772
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:18,630
a as a stake, we're gonna really need

773
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:20,630
you to emphasize this. It's gonna take a

774
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:22,070
little bit of time. It's gonna take a

775
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:23,535
little bit more effort. You're gonna have to

776
00:26:23,535 --> 00:26:25,615
work with with with your counselors. You're gonna

777
00:26:25,615 --> 00:26:26,975
have to call two more counselors because we

778
00:26:26,975 --> 00:26:29,295
just released them. Like, giving them a little

779
00:26:29,295 --> 00:26:31,375
taste of what you're wanting. It's you're not

780
00:26:31,375 --> 00:26:33,134
just looking for the yes. You're looking for

781
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:35,295
a commitment. You're looking for some buy in

782
00:26:35,295 --> 00:26:37,109
there. And be real. Be be real. And

783
00:26:37,109 --> 00:26:39,029
if they say no, then maybe in the

784
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:42,410
long run, that's that's some some prayers answered.

785
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:44,630
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think giving,

786
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:47,750
like, people that that invitation of saying, where

787
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:49,609
do you want to be in this organization?

788
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:51,575
Like, do you love the primary? Do you

789
00:26:51,575 --> 00:26:53,494
love the the youth? And and again, not

790
00:26:53,494 --> 00:26:55,255
that they get to pick their calling, but

791
00:26:55,255 --> 00:26:57,734
it's that's really helpful information for, like, a

792
00:26:57,734 --> 00:27:00,055
bishopric or stake presidency to to consider is,

793
00:27:00,055 --> 00:27:02,215
like, okay. He actually wants could could we

794
00:27:02,215 --> 00:27:03,975
find a place for him in the in

795
00:27:03,975 --> 00:27:06,269
the young men's organization? Because that's something that

796
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:08,230
there's a passion there, and we could really

797
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:10,230
use that passion in that organization. And that's

798
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:12,890
gonna solve so many problems in the future

799
00:27:13,109 --> 00:27:14,630
rather than just saying, well, I feel good

800
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:16,070
about this name. Let's put him in there.

801
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:17,830
And then you wonder why he he flakes

802
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:19,590
out or doesn't show up because he never

803
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:20,710
wanted to be in there in the first

804
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:22,784
place. He's just trying to be obedient. Right?

805
00:27:22,784 --> 00:27:24,464
Yeah. And and too, I think that it's

806
00:27:24,464 --> 00:27:26,464
worth saying, like, you know, take inventory of

807
00:27:26,464 --> 00:27:28,544
your current leadership or where people are at

808
00:27:28,544 --> 00:27:30,224
in their callings. And if you got that

809
00:27:30,224 --> 00:27:32,065
couple that's been in the nursery for four

810
00:27:32,065 --> 00:27:32,565
years,

811
00:27:32,944 --> 00:27:35,429
like, because you know, maybe they love it.

812
00:27:35,429 --> 00:27:37,669
Right? Maybe they're just having the time of

813
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:38,409
their lives,

814
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:40,710
but maybe they might be open to a

815
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:41,210
change.

816
00:27:41,589 --> 00:27:43,109
I I think sometimes you get a good

817
00:27:43,109 --> 00:27:45,029
person and a good calling and they're just

818
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:46,710
killing it, it is easy to keep them

819
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:48,169
there for the next decade.

820
00:27:48,484 --> 00:27:50,565
But, also, you know, like, be willing to

821
00:27:50,565 --> 00:27:52,884
change it up. It's okay. Change it up.

822
00:27:52,884 --> 00:27:54,404
Yeah. And, again, it goes then you talk

823
00:27:54,484 --> 00:27:56,085
we'll maybe jump into this here in a

824
00:27:56,085 --> 00:27:59,205
second with the, with the status interviews. But

825
00:27:59,205 --> 00:28:00,644
I remember as a bishop, you know, I

826
00:28:00,644 --> 00:28:03,065
was in Inner City Ward. We had four

827
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:05,630
four senior couples assigned to my ward to

828
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:07,490
help me with all things temporal

829
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:10,029
or welfare issues. And I would meet with

830
00:28:10,029 --> 00:28:12,990
them on each couple on a monthly basis.

831
00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:14,910
And the first question I'd always start with

832
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:18,035
is, are you still enjoying your mission? Because

833
00:28:18,335 --> 00:28:20,894
if they're not enjoying it, like, nothing else

834
00:28:20,894 --> 00:28:22,734
matters in this interview Yes. Or this this

835
00:28:22,734 --> 00:28:25,055
interaction. We have to figure out what you

836
00:28:25,055 --> 00:28:26,654
don't enjoy and see if there's a way

837
00:28:26,654 --> 00:28:28,815
around that or and, you know, maybe and

838
00:28:28,815 --> 00:28:30,420
I never got to this point with these

839
00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:32,660
missionaries, but maybe it gets to a point,

840
00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:34,340
maybe in a calling or you have an

841
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:36,820
elders' corps president or a youth leader who's

842
00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:39,059
just like, I just I just don't feel

843
00:28:39,059 --> 00:28:40,100
a good fit. You get to a point.

844
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,460
You try different things to say, you know

845
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:43,220
what? Why don't we find a different place

846
00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:45,220
in the world where you're gonna really enjoy

847
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:47,024
that or maybe you need a break or

848
00:28:47,024 --> 00:28:49,024
whatever it is. Right? And, again, create an

849
00:28:49,024 --> 00:28:51,424
honest like, an environment where that honesty can

850
00:28:51,424 --> 00:28:52,404
exist because

851
00:28:52,704 --> 00:28:54,944
there's guilt in this church. I don't care

852
00:28:54,944 --> 00:28:56,724
who you are. Anything that deals with Christianity

853
00:28:56,865 --> 00:28:58,980
and striving to be good and and follow

854
00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:01,059
Jesus, you're gonna feel a sense of guilt.

855
00:29:01,059 --> 00:29:02,579
You're gonna feel like you're not always doing

856
00:29:02,579 --> 00:29:04,420
your best. And so, you know, to ask

857
00:29:04,420 --> 00:29:06,339
somebody, you know, are you do you still

858
00:29:06,339 --> 00:29:08,259
enjoy loving your mission? A lot of people

859
00:29:08,259 --> 00:29:10,819
are gonna be like, well, absolutely. I'm serving

860
00:29:10,819 --> 00:29:12,759
the lord. Like, they're gonna give you the

861
00:29:12,984 --> 00:29:15,384
even though they're dying inside. Right? And I

862
00:29:15,384 --> 00:29:16,825
I think, you know, there is a sense

863
00:29:16,825 --> 00:29:18,505
of creating an environment where you're like, hey.

864
00:29:18,505 --> 00:29:20,024
Listen. I just I don't want you to

865
00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:21,865
feel guilty. I don't want you to feel

866
00:29:21,865 --> 00:29:24,105
like you need to give me some canned

867
00:29:24,105 --> 00:29:24,605
answer,

868
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,000
and just create an environment where honesty can

869
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,480
exist. I just I really want to know

870
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,480
because I really want to help you. K?

871
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,240
This is not gonna you're not gonna lose

872
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,640
celestial points for telling me something that's not

873
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,654
a 100%, you know, the perfect answer. I'm

874
00:29:38,654 --> 00:29:40,494
literally just wanting to know your honest truth

875
00:29:40,494 --> 00:29:42,595
on where you're at and what you're feeling.

876
00:29:42,815 --> 00:29:44,255
And I just I just need to know

877
00:29:44,255 --> 00:29:45,855
so I can help you. Right? Like, that

878
00:29:45,855 --> 00:29:47,855
little chain, I I think you would maybe

879
00:29:47,855 --> 00:29:49,615
get a little bit more of an honest

880
00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:52,194
answer that's gonna help you get better results.

881
00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:54,289
Okay. So let's go back to,

882
00:29:55,309 --> 00:29:56,769
talking about sort of these,

883
00:29:57,549 --> 00:29:58,909
you you call them in the book, these

884
00:29:58,909 --> 00:30:00,909
these status interviews, if I if I'm Yeah.

885
00:30:00,909 --> 00:30:02,829
Yeah. Status interviews. Yep. And this there's a

886
00:30:02,829 --> 00:30:04,934
lot of parallels here to ministering interviews, but

887
00:30:05,015 --> 00:30:07,174
I also just remember the power of, you

888
00:30:07,174 --> 00:30:08,855
know, like I mentioned with that those missionary

889
00:30:08,855 --> 00:30:11,434
couples. Like, it didn't matter what was happening,

890
00:30:12,055 --> 00:30:13,815
what they were dealing with, if they're busy

891
00:30:13,815 --> 00:30:15,654
or not. Like, we met once a month.

892
00:30:15,654 --> 00:30:17,835
And there's just this power of a regular

893
00:30:18,299 --> 00:30:20,220
meeting of just sitting down. And a lot

894
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:22,059
of times, we'd both walk into those meetings

895
00:30:22,059 --> 00:30:22,559
thinking,

896
00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:24,620
I can't think of one thing that we're

897
00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:26,700
gonna actually talk about. Like, nothing's on the

898
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,019
top of my mind. But then we walk

899
00:30:29,019 --> 00:30:30,700
out thirty minutes later, and we talk the

900
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:32,380
whole time, you know, because there was always

901
00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:34,775
something that came up or concern or something.

902
00:30:34,775 --> 00:30:37,255
And so just this habit of or the

903
00:30:37,255 --> 00:30:39,174
routine of of meeting with people and saying,

904
00:30:39,174 --> 00:30:41,015
okay. How's it going? And then, no. Really,

905
00:30:41,015 --> 00:30:42,615
how like, how's it really going? Are you

906
00:30:42,615 --> 00:30:44,454
enjoying this digging in a little bit? And

907
00:30:44,454 --> 00:30:46,220
that's part of the assessment process, I would

908
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,580
imagine. Yeah. It'll be a lot of information

909
00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:49,500
out of it. And it supports why why

910
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:50,559
we do ministering.

911
00:30:51,019 --> 00:30:52,960
It's to check-in. It's to

912
00:30:53,420 --> 00:30:54,940
make sure that we have a pulse on

913
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:57,200
the organization and the people within the organization.

914
00:30:57,740 --> 00:30:59,339
The reason I call it a status interview

915
00:30:59,339 --> 00:31:00,940
is I so I came from the medical

916
00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:01,440
field.

917
00:31:01,845 --> 00:31:04,164
A lot of my background after graduating college,

918
00:31:04,164 --> 00:31:05,845
I was in the OR, and all of

919
00:31:05,845 --> 00:31:07,924
the the the doctors, everyone referred to status.

920
00:31:07,924 --> 00:31:09,444
Right? What's the status of the patient? Give

921
00:31:09,444 --> 00:31:11,684
me a status update. And what they're referring

922
00:31:11,684 --> 00:31:14,085
to is the heart rate, the respiratory rate,

923
00:31:14,085 --> 00:31:15,924
the block the body temperature, and the blood

924
00:31:15,924 --> 00:31:19,109
pressure of the patient because those vitals determine

925
00:31:19,329 --> 00:31:21,109
how they're going to treat a patient.

926
00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:23,910
So in in this context,

927
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:26,289
you would treat that patient, and then you

928
00:31:26,289 --> 00:31:27,349
recheck the vitals.

929
00:31:28,049 --> 00:31:29,890
And then you treat the patient, and you

930
00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:32,845
recheck the vitals until we gain a healthy

931
00:31:32,904 --> 00:31:33,404
status.

932
00:31:33,865 --> 00:31:35,144
And so the same thing I think in

933
00:31:35,144 --> 00:31:36,984
in wards and in church leadership, in our

934
00:31:36,984 --> 00:31:38,125
stakes, in our communities,

935
00:31:38,504 --> 00:31:40,284
we should conduct those status interviews.

936
00:31:40,744 --> 00:31:43,164
And there was kind of this this overarching

937
00:31:43,224 --> 00:31:45,329
theme of three questions that a leader would

938
00:31:45,329 --> 00:31:47,650
ask in some way, shape, or form to

939
00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:49,410
conduct this, and it helped them to get

940
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:52,210
a status check. And it wasn't a performance

941
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:52,710
review.

942
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:54,609
K? This is not a time where you

943
00:31:54,609 --> 00:31:56,289
call in your Relief Society president or your

944
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:58,630
OzCorps president and you go over the numbers,

945
00:31:59,075 --> 00:32:00,914
or you talk about the next activity coming

946
00:32:00,914 --> 00:32:01,414
up,

947
00:32:01,954 --> 00:32:04,035
or or you're not even really talking about

948
00:32:04,035 --> 00:32:04,535
individuals

949
00:32:04,914 --> 00:32:06,994
in the ward. This is a chance for

950
00:32:06,994 --> 00:32:09,575
you to check-in on them as a person.

951
00:32:10,275 --> 00:32:12,434
And the questions we we we we saw

952
00:32:12,434 --> 00:32:14,639
is, number one, is what can we do

953
00:32:14,639 --> 00:32:15,700
to keep you here?

954
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:17,519
What can we do to keep you more

955
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,700
engaged? What can I do to keep you

956
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:21,839
doing the good work that you're doing? I

957
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:23,119
just wanna know what I can do to

958
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:24,339
keep you here.

959
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,440
Number two, so what's getting in the way

960
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,139
of of your success?

961
00:32:29,654 --> 00:32:31,195
Like, what is it? Is it because,

962
00:32:32,055 --> 00:32:34,075
you know, you've got a counselor that's just

963
00:32:34,375 --> 00:32:36,695
dragging everything down? Is it is it because,

964
00:32:36,695 --> 00:32:38,955
you know, our our system that we're using

965
00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:40,775
is is so old, we need to update

966
00:32:40,775 --> 00:32:42,960
a few things? Is it Long meetings. Long

967
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,039
meetings, Glenn. Yeah. Do we need to announce

968
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,799
that we need to do more online tithing

969
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,960
because you're staying for two hours doing the

970
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,279
the old little fashioned like, what can I

971
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,359
do? What's getting in your way? And then

972
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:54,880
and then the third question is what can

973
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,204
I do to help you get there?

974
00:32:56,684 --> 00:32:58,224
So what can I do to keep you

975
00:32:58,444 --> 00:32:59,984
moving, going, engaged?

976
00:33:00,605 --> 00:33:02,765
Second, what's getting in the way? And then

977
00:33:02,765 --> 00:33:04,944
third, what can I do as your leader

978
00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:06,384
to help you get there?

979
00:33:07,724 --> 00:33:09,244
Those three things, I think, opens up a

980
00:33:09,244 --> 00:33:11,244
window for you to gain some insight as

981
00:33:11,244 --> 00:33:13,139
a leader to help your people to become

982
00:33:13,139 --> 00:33:13,639
more

983
00:33:14,339 --> 00:33:14,839
connected.

984
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:17,460
Yeah. And what a great what a great

985
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:19,460
model for a a ministry interview because, you

986
00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:22,019
know, elders quorum presidents, really study presences, they

987
00:33:22,019 --> 00:33:23,700
know they're supposed to do these interviews, but

988
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:24,200
sometimes

989
00:33:24,605 --> 00:33:26,845
it's like, okay. There's a lot of interviews

990
00:33:26,845 --> 00:33:29,404
to get through and, they, you know, they

991
00:33:29,404 --> 00:33:31,325
walk in like, oh, brother Polover. Glad you're

992
00:33:31,325 --> 00:33:33,404
here. Have a seat. So how are your

993
00:33:33,404 --> 00:33:35,085
families doing? Right? We just sort of run

994
00:33:35,085 --> 00:33:36,605
into the, like, well, how are your families

995
00:33:36,605 --> 00:33:38,509
doing? But to see it more as of

996
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:39,950
not so much about the families, we'll get

997
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:40,690
to the families,

998
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:42,829
and and we'll make sure we discuss that.

999
00:33:42,829 --> 00:33:45,389
But this is a status interview. Like, how

1000
00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:47,869
are you? You know? Like, what's your experience

1001
00:33:47,869 --> 00:33:49,549
in the quorum? What's getting in your way

1002
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:50,289
of really

1003
00:33:50,669 --> 00:33:52,029
getting excited to come to the elders quorum?

1004
00:33:52,029 --> 00:33:54,044
You know? Whatever it is. But connecting with

1005
00:33:54,044 --> 00:33:55,984
that person because that's when the mentorship

1006
00:33:56,444 --> 00:33:56,924
is,

1007
00:33:57,404 --> 00:33:59,804
is possible. Right? Is in that ministering interview.

1008
00:33:59,804 --> 00:34:02,144
Right? It allows you to advocate for people.

1009
00:34:02,524 --> 00:34:04,684
K? Not just develop them through the gospel

1010
00:34:04,684 --> 00:34:06,865
of Jesus Christ, but to advocate for them.

1011
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,760
Right? I think that's the whole role of

1012
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,679
the savior. He was an advocate. He is

1013
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:11,420
our advocate.

1014
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,559
And and so you get to you get

1015
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,400
to be that person. And I think too,

1016
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,400
this is important with the status interview. It

1017
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,500
needs to always start with vocal praise.

1018
00:34:20,195 --> 00:34:21,795
Like, you you go to your relief society

1019
00:34:21,795 --> 00:34:23,875
president, the elders quorum president, or whoever within

1020
00:34:23,875 --> 00:34:25,795
your leadership and you say, hey. I I

1021
00:34:25,795 --> 00:34:26,755
need to talk to you. I need to

1022
00:34:26,755 --> 00:34:28,675
have a meeting. So let's get it scheduled.

1023
00:34:28,755 --> 00:34:30,114
You know, reach out to, you know, the

1024
00:34:30,114 --> 00:34:31,815
secretary. Let's let's get an appointment.

1025
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,159
Their mind is gonna be racing. They're gonna

1026
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,559
be like, oh, geez. What? Gosh. Bishop wants

1027
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,480
to meet with me. Why? Or stake president

1028
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,079
wants to meet with me. I think when

1029
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:41,920
you start with, hey. Listen. I just wanna

1030
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,539
check-in and make sure you're doing

1031
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:45,519
or that you're doing okay, and I'm doing

1032
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,264
everything to help you. So I'd love to

1033
00:34:47,264 --> 00:34:48,545
just set up a meeting on how I

1034
00:34:48,545 --> 00:34:50,625
can do that better. And that's a little

1035
00:34:50,625 --> 00:34:52,385
different approach. And then when you sit in

1036
00:34:52,385 --> 00:34:53,045
that meeting,

1037
00:34:53,744 --> 00:34:55,204
start with vocal praise.

1038
00:34:55,824 --> 00:34:58,224
Start by telling them, listen. Everything you're doing,

1039
00:34:58,224 --> 00:34:59,525
how you have helped individuals,

1040
00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:02,130
everything, you know, the attendance on with our

1041
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:04,929
sisters and ministering has grown because of what

1042
00:35:04,929 --> 00:35:06,849
you're doing. Right? If you have really great

1043
00:35:06,849 --> 00:35:09,650
people in your callings, in your ward, start

1044
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:11,570
with vocal praise. And then, again, you're then

1045
00:35:11,570 --> 00:35:13,829
leaning over how do I keep you here?

1046
00:35:13,954 --> 00:35:15,394
I wanna keep you in this calling because

1047
00:35:15,394 --> 00:35:16,994
you're doing so great. What can I do

1048
00:35:16,994 --> 00:35:18,835
to support you? Yeah. When you do that

1049
00:35:18,835 --> 00:35:20,195
and you open it with that type of

1050
00:35:20,195 --> 00:35:22,855
communication, you're gonna get some really great feedback

1051
00:35:22,994 --> 00:35:24,695
on how to be better for your people.

1052
00:35:24,914 --> 00:35:26,820
Yeah. Because you're just creating so much safety

1053
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:29,140
in that interaction. Yeah. Right? It's like nobody's

1054
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:30,739
in trouble here. Like, I would just wanna

1055
00:35:30,739 --> 00:35:32,260
get to know you. Like, I am on

1056
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:35,239
a a detective mission here to better understand

1057
00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:37,619
you and and what's going on from from

1058
00:35:37,619 --> 00:35:39,894
your side of of your eyeballs. Right? And

1059
00:35:39,894 --> 00:35:41,815
I love this. To me, this this tip

1060
00:35:41,815 --> 00:35:43,255
was worth the the price of the book

1061
00:35:43,255 --> 00:35:45,175
right here, Clint, is that you say that

1062
00:35:45,175 --> 00:35:47,255
as you're in these interactions, repeat what the

1063
00:35:47,255 --> 00:35:49,494
employee or what the individual is saying, you

1064
00:35:49,494 --> 00:35:51,335
know, as they're saying it. Yeah. Because then

1065
00:35:51,335 --> 00:35:51,735
that really

1066
00:35:52,449 --> 00:35:54,449
they feel heard. Right? They feel like, oh,

1067
00:35:54,449 --> 00:35:56,289
he repeated back what I said in a

1068
00:35:56,289 --> 00:35:57,570
way that or they say, no. No. No.

1069
00:35:57,570 --> 00:35:59,090
No. That's not what that's not what I

1070
00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:00,530
said. Let me let me clarify. Right? Yeah.

1071
00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:01,809
And and yeah. And it's not just about

1072
00:36:01,809 --> 00:36:03,650
talking. Right? It's not just about checking off

1073
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:05,474
the box that you had a status interview.

1074
00:36:05,555 --> 00:36:08,614
It's about understanding. It's about communication, good communication.

1075
00:36:09,235 --> 00:36:11,255
And then you've got to actually follow-up

1076
00:36:11,715 --> 00:36:13,075
on what you said you would jump in

1077
00:36:13,075 --> 00:36:15,474
and block and help with and advocate for

1078
00:36:15,474 --> 00:36:17,315
because then that that kills the whole, you

1079
00:36:17,315 --> 00:36:18,869
know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He loves to have

1080
00:36:18,869 --> 00:36:20,949
the status interview. He loves to talk to

1081
00:36:20,949 --> 00:36:23,190
us about all the things we need, but

1082
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:25,429
nothing ever happens. Yeah. Or he's always just

1083
00:36:25,429 --> 00:36:26,949
coming down on me. You know? Like, we

1084
00:36:26,949 --> 00:36:28,549
meet every month, and I have to tell

1085
00:36:28,549 --> 00:36:30,150
him every time, no. I haven't done my

1086
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:32,375
ministering visits. You know? Like, how you're back

1087
00:36:32,375 --> 00:36:34,214
again. Like, no. Like, you're and then they

1088
00:36:34,214 --> 00:36:36,714
just avoid you. Yep. Right? Yep. They disengage.

1089
00:36:36,855 --> 00:36:38,375
So And and too and then what you

1090
00:36:38,375 --> 00:36:40,375
create from that is, you know, on the

1091
00:36:40,375 --> 00:36:42,054
business side, we would call it a growth

1092
00:36:42,054 --> 00:36:43,114
development plan.

1093
00:36:43,494 --> 00:36:45,114
There's something to work towards.

1094
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:46,699
And, you know, there's a lot of meetings

1095
00:36:46,699 --> 00:36:47,739
where you're like, ah, jeez. I have no

1096
00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:48,859
idea what we're gonna talk about in the

1097
00:36:48,859 --> 00:36:50,859
meeting. You know? Ah, jeez. We're having another

1098
00:36:50,859 --> 00:36:52,539
word council. What do we you know, we

1099
00:36:52,539 --> 00:36:53,980
just go through the same line items. We

1100
00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:56,139
have the same agenda. How's the relief society?

1101
00:36:56,139 --> 00:36:58,780
Elder's quorum, anything to share? How's this yeah.

1102
00:36:58,780 --> 00:36:59,420
It's it's just

1103
00:37:00,135 --> 00:37:02,215
instead where you could really look at those

1104
00:37:02,215 --> 00:37:04,614
status interviews, what you gained from that, and

1105
00:37:04,614 --> 00:37:06,775
then create a growth development plan with that

1106
00:37:06,775 --> 00:37:08,695
person in their calling on how to help

1107
00:37:08,695 --> 00:37:10,554
them succeed in the things that they're needing.

1108
00:37:10,775 --> 00:37:12,855
It's just a great format to keep it

1109
00:37:12,855 --> 00:37:15,010
rolling, to keep it effective, not just having

1110
00:37:15,010 --> 00:37:17,570
a meeting to have a meeting. Yep. Anything

1111
00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:19,410
else as far as status interviews or those

1112
00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:20,289
interactions that,

1113
00:37:20,849 --> 00:37:22,610
you'd wanna add before we we move on?

1114
00:37:22,610 --> 00:37:23,890
You know, and it doesn't have to just

1115
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:25,809
be the bishop. Right? It doesn't have to

1116
00:37:25,809 --> 00:37:27,650
just be the relief society president, you know,

1117
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:29,590
and invoke the help of other people.

1118
00:37:29,945 --> 00:37:31,625
I do. I sometimes get caught in this

1119
00:37:31,625 --> 00:37:33,224
as as I can bury a leader in

1120
00:37:33,224 --> 00:37:35,065
the things that I say. And that leader

1121
00:37:35,065 --> 00:37:37,385
is like, oh my gosh. I'm having a

1122
00:37:37,385 --> 00:37:39,244
hard time just showing up,

1123
00:37:39,784 --> 00:37:41,545
and now you're wanting me to do all

1124
00:37:41,545 --> 00:37:43,840
of these interviews. And I don't know.

1125
00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:45,980
And when you listen to this podcast, you

1126
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:47,739
read a leadership book. I'm a big fan

1127
00:37:47,739 --> 00:37:50,219
of keep it simple. You know? Choose one

1128
00:37:50,219 --> 00:37:53,019
thing or lean on another person. Ask someone

1129
00:37:53,019 --> 00:37:54,699
to help you out. You know? Status interviews,

1130
00:37:54,699 --> 00:37:56,140
is that something you could do? Is that

1131
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:57,199
something that resonates

1132
00:37:57,824 --> 00:37:59,905
within something that could help the organization? Well,

1133
00:37:59,905 --> 00:38:01,445
then maybe put the first counselor

1134
00:38:01,905 --> 00:38:04,224
overdoing that. You know, be willing to delegate

1135
00:38:04,224 --> 00:38:06,144
some of the response, not just all on

1136
00:38:06,144 --> 00:38:06,644
you.

1137
00:38:06,945 --> 00:38:09,184
Yeah. Take a breath. One thing. Choose one

1138
00:38:09,184 --> 00:38:11,360
thing. Yeah. And little by little, a little

1139
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,280
becomes a lot. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned

1140
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,200
that because that's, my constant fear with some

1141
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,880
of these interviews. Like, hey. We're just exploring

1142
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,599
this concept. Like, you just let it wash

1143
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,840
over you, and then maybe get the book

1144
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,360
if it incur if if it's something you

1145
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,005
wanna dive into, and then go sit with

1146
00:38:25,005 --> 00:38:27,404
it and say, I like that one principle,

1147
00:38:27,404 --> 00:38:29,565
and I'll try that. But, the rest of

1148
00:38:29,565 --> 00:38:30,764
the stuff, I'm not gonna worry about right

1149
00:38:30,764 --> 00:38:32,864
now. And that's okay. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Consistency

1150
00:38:33,085 --> 00:38:34,605
in one thing is a lot better than

1151
00:38:34,605 --> 00:38:37,505
inconsistency in 400 things you're trying to do.

1152
00:38:37,644 --> 00:38:38,864
Yeah. True that.

1153
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,280
Alright. What, this concept you talked about, the

1154
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,099
importance of everyone knowing the organization's core values

1155
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,720
that again, it seems like this is further

1156
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,079
down the road. Like, once you've sort of

1157
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:48,579
established

1158
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,660
that connection, that mentorship,

1159
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,744
that the community, the the positive culture, then

1160
00:38:53,744 --> 00:38:55,184
you bring in the core values that can

1161
00:38:55,184 --> 00:38:56,085
sort of ignite

1162
00:38:56,385 --> 00:38:58,224
the momentum to to move forward with with

1163
00:38:58,224 --> 00:38:59,664
things. But, I mean, how would you introduce

1164
00:38:59,664 --> 00:39:01,364
this as far as what you found with

1165
00:39:01,744 --> 00:39:04,704
effectiveness of core values of organizations? Yeah. And

1166
00:39:04,704 --> 00:39:06,065
you usually find this a lot on the

1167
00:39:06,065 --> 00:39:07,929
stake level where the stake has a vision

1168
00:39:07,929 --> 00:39:09,869
for the stake. Like, this is our overarching

1169
00:39:10,090 --> 00:39:12,730
theme. These are our our goals and where

1170
00:39:12,730 --> 00:39:14,570
we wanna go. I think on a word

1171
00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:16,730
level, though, there's there's power in supporting that

1172
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:18,969
stake level and creating a vision that is

1173
00:39:18,969 --> 00:39:20,670
simple, but it's also memorable.

1174
00:39:21,054 --> 00:39:22,894
We talk about it at the at first

1175
00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:24,735
of the year, here's our new goal or

1176
00:39:24,735 --> 00:39:26,735
here's our new vision. But if I were

1177
00:39:26,735 --> 00:39:28,735
to go into your stake and ask the

1178
00:39:28,735 --> 00:39:30,655
members of of the ward or the stake

1179
00:39:30,735 --> 00:39:32,735
on the stake level and say, what's the

1180
00:39:32,735 --> 00:39:35,074
goal? What's the mission statement of the stake?

1181
00:39:35,619 --> 00:39:37,859
Do I guarantee you 95%

1182
00:39:37,859 --> 00:39:39,300
of those members are gonna be like, I

1183
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:41,960
don't know. Duh. Keep the commandments. Uh-huh. Duh.

1184
00:39:43,139 --> 00:39:46,260
Do come follow me. Yeah. Right? Like, most

1185
00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:48,840
people don't know because the the mission statements

1186
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:51,454
are 52 pages long or it's, you know,

1187
00:39:51,454 --> 00:39:54,974
full of 30 scriptures and quotes and what

1188
00:39:54,974 --> 00:39:56,675
Alma said and why Moses

1189
00:39:56,974 --> 00:39:58,034
emphasized this.

1190
00:39:58,574 --> 00:40:01,695
And, again, retention. Retention. Retention. How can we

1191
00:40:01,695 --> 00:40:03,614
help people retain and keep the main thing

1192
00:40:03,614 --> 00:40:05,800
the main thing? And so, again, keep it

1193
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,639
simple. One thing. What's one thing? And then

1194
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,880
for the next month in sacrament meeting, make

1195
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,519
the talks themed around that. And then as

1196
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:13,880
the bishop, right, you get up and you

1197
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,319
talk about it and you say, hey. Remember,

1198
00:40:15,319 --> 00:40:17,179
brothers and sisters, our focus

1199
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:18,539
is on individuals

1200
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,405
in our war. That's what we're focusing on.

1201
00:40:21,405 --> 00:40:23,164
And so today, we're gonna talk about the

1202
00:40:23,164 --> 00:40:25,405
parable of the one. Because remember, that's our

1203
00:40:25,405 --> 00:40:26,765
focus as a war. That is what we

1204
00:40:26,765 --> 00:40:28,864
were striving to do together.

1205
00:40:29,164 --> 00:40:30,684
You've done your part. You've researched. You talked

1206
00:40:30,684 --> 00:40:32,525
to the word council. You listened to the

1207
00:40:32,525 --> 00:40:34,844
needs, what everybody's wanting. Where can we take

1208
00:40:34,844 --> 00:40:36,369
the ship? Right? So then how do we

1209
00:40:36,369 --> 00:40:38,070
keep it simple and memorable

1210
00:40:38,449 --> 00:40:40,130
where it's actually retained to where if you

1211
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:41,250
could go in your ward and say, hey.

1212
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:43,590
What's our focus as a ward family?

1213
00:40:43,969 --> 00:40:46,530
We focus on people here in this ward.

1214
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:48,369
That's Yeah. And I know, you know, it's

1215
00:40:48,369 --> 00:40:50,130
one of those things that as a bishop

1216
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:52,825
who's newly called, like, that that thing doesn't

1217
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:54,744
have to last through all five years of

1218
00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:56,184
your your service. It could be for the

1219
00:40:56,184 --> 00:40:58,105
next nine months, we're gonna focus on people

1220
00:40:58,105 --> 00:40:59,704
and, you know, then we're gonna move on

1221
00:40:59,704 --> 00:41:01,704
to something else or, you know, it's always

1222
00:41:01,704 --> 00:41:04,105
changing. But revelation and keys and all that

1223
00:41:04,105 --> 00:41:06,599
happens. And if you're you're prompted or guided

1224
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,699
to do another direction, then great.

1225
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:10,380
Yeah. Yeah. It's great.

1226
00:41:10,839 --> 00:41:12,679
And then some reflective questions in here that

1227
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,099
just thought I thought they're so helpful because

1228
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,139
one of the biggest

1229
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,000
the biggest hurdles in leadership, I feel like,

1230
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,619
is self awareness

1231
00:41:21,125 --> 00:41:22,885
and just being like, because you can go,

1232
00:41:22,885 --> 00:41:24,405
you can lead, you can do go through

1233
00:41:24,405 --> 00:41:25,844
the motions, you can do your thing and

1234
00:41:25,844 --> 00:41:26,605
you feel like,

1235
00:41:27,045 --> 00:41:29,125
pretty good leader. I mean, things like people

1236
00:41:29,125 --> 00:41:31,684
are enjoying being here and this is great.

1237
00:41:31,684 --> 00:41:33,284
I'll just keep doing more of what I'm

1238
00:41:33,284 --> 00:41:35,099
doing. And then on the other side, people

1239
00:41:35,099 --> 00:41:37,500
are thinking, like, this is kinda frustrating. I'm

1240
00:41:37,659 --> 00:41:39,659
he confuses me a lot or you know?

1241
00:41:39,659 --> 00:41:41,260
And so these questions you put in the

1242
00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:43,500
book, when I come into work or when

1243
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:44,559
I come to church,

1244
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:47,599
how do my ward members experience

1245
00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:50,195
me? How do they experience themselves

1246
00:41:50,735 --> 00:41:52,655
when they are with me? And that's like,

1247
00:41:52,655 --> 00:41:54,735
man, any leader can just sit with those

1248
00:41:54,735 --> 00:41:57,394
questions and invite revelation because

1249
00:41:57,695 --> 00:41:59,454
there's a lot that can come from that.

1250
00:41:59,454 --> 00:42:01,934
Yeah. I it's easy. Like, in in management,

1251
00:42:01,934 --> 00:42:04,030
in the workplace, it's really sad because a

1252
00:42:04,030 --> 00:42:05,469
lot of managers will do one on one

1253
00:42:05,469 --> 00:42:06,750
meetings, and they sit in front of an

1254
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:08,190
employee, and they say, you know, what can

1255
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:09,730
I do better for you as a manager?

1256
00:42:09,949 --> 00:42:11,710
And what the employee says is, you know,

1257
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:13,789
no. Man, it's cool, dude. You're doing great,

1258
00:42:13,789 --> 00:42:16,269
and we're doing awesome. And, yeah, man, it's

1259
00:42:16,269 --> 00:42:16,755
chill.

1260
00:42:17,154 --> 00:42:19,174
What you're actually thinking in their mind is

1261
00:42:19,474 --> 00:42:22,835
you constantly micromanage me. You undervalue me. Every

1262
00:42:22,835 --> 00:42:24,275
time there's a win on the team, you

1263
00:42:24,275 --> 00:42:26,355
take the credit. Every time there's a loss,

1264
00:42:26,355 --> 00:42:28,674
you blame us. And I'm honestly looking for

1265
00:42:28,674 --> 00:42:30,809
another job. That's what they're really wanting to

1266
00:42:30,809 --> 00:42:33,369
say. And, again, sometimes it's more extreme than

1267
00:42:33,369 --> 00:42:35,470
others, but we don't create this an environment

1268
00:42:35,769 --> 00:42:37,550
where we can get regular feedback.

1269
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:39,050
And one of the great things that I

1270
00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:41,690
found that leaders did is they first off

1271
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:43,390
admitted that they are not perfect.

1272
00:42:44,195 --> 00:42:46,135
They admitted that they're going to make mistakes,

1273
00:42:46,434 --> 00:42:48,514
but they also created an environment where they

1274
00:42:48,514 --> 00:42:49,735
were welcome to feedback.

1275
00:42:50,114 --> 00:42:52,994
Again, they're building relationships where there's trust. And

1276
00:42:52,994 --> 00:42:54,835
then they say, listen. I need to know

1277
00:42:54,835 --> 00:42:56,355
what I can do better. I'm not here

1278
00:42:56,355 --> 00:42:58,610
for fluff. I'm not here for you to

1279
00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:00,930
also rag on me, but what can I

1280
00:43:00,930 --> 00:43:02,530
do to get better? What can I do

1281
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:05,170
to really help you? And it's hard because

1282
00:43:05,170 --> 00:43:07,250
there's not a lot of incentive there for

1283
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:08,230
people to

1284
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:10,514
be honest all the time. But I think,

1285
00:43:10,514 --> 00:43:12,034
again, as a leader, if you can be

1286
00:43:12,034 --> 00:43:14,355
open to that and you're regularly asking for

1287
00:43:14,355 --> 00:43:16,194
that, you don't wanna decrease your confidence and

1288
00:43:16,194 --> 00:43:18,194
your influence. Right? You are still the leader.

1289
00:43:18,194 --> 00:43:20,034
You have keys. You have the authority. You

1290
00:43:20,034 --> 00:43:22,050
have the revelation that is given to you.

1291
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:22,869
That's important.

1292
00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:24,869
But, also, I think it dehumanizes

1293
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:27,750
somewhat of the ego that comes with leadership

1294
00:43:27,809 --> 00:43:29,730
or this sense of, like, I'm killing it.

1295
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:31,410
I'm doing great. This is what we're doing,

1296
00:43:31,410 --> 00:43:33,730
and it's working. My whole business, my whole

1297
00:43:33,730 --> 00:43:35,429
industry, what I do for a living

1298
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:37,349
is based off of this principle

1299
00:43:37,715 --> 00:43:39,795
where a leader has this perception, but the

1300
00:43:39,795 --> 00:43:42,855
reality of the ward members are completely different.

1301
00:43:42,914 --> 00:43:44,114
And it's be most of the time, a

1302
00:43:44,114 --> 00:43:45,815
lot because they're just not open to feedback.

1303
00:43:45,954 --> 00:43:47,554
A lot of good leaders, they know what

1304
00:43:47,554 --> 00:43:49,074
they need to do, but they don't know

1305
00:43:49,074 --> 00:43:50,980
what they need to stop doing. I think

1306
00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:52,579
if we can open up that window where

1307
00:43:52,579 --> 00:43:54,119
that conversation can happen,

1308
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:56,599
it allows you to be better. And so

1309
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:58,260
you're saying that you learn about those things

1310
00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:00,019
you can stop doing by having some of

1311
00:44:00,019 --> 00:44:00,519
these

1312
00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:03,619
these more open real conversations. Yeah. And keeping

1313
00:44:03,619 --> 00:44:06,085
the schedule more simple. Right? Like, we're really

1314
00:44:06,085 --> 00:44:07,765
good as leaders at creating the to do

1315
00:44:07,765 --> 00:44:10,405
list. Start making a to don't list. Try

1316
00:44:10,405 --> 00:44:11,525
stop you know, how do we cut our

1317
00:44:11,525 --> 00:44:13,844
meetings in half? Are we having this meeting

1318
00:44:13,844 --> 00:44:15,445
just because I'm supposed to have this meeting

1319
00:44:15,445 --> 00:44:16,805
or I'm just checking off the box, or

1320
00:44:16,805 --> 00:44:18,505
is it really because it needs to happen?

1321
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:20,809
Can this be sent through email? Can I

1322
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:23,050
do this through Slack? Can I send this

1323
00:44:23,050 --> 00:44:25,130
as a text? Do I really need to

1324
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:25,630
get

1325
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:29,070
12 people together to talk about this? Simplify

1326
00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:31,130
it. Give yourself the freedom and the time.

1327
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:32,190
How do you expect

1328
00:44:32,574 --> 00:44:34,815
to connect with people when you are trying

1329
00:44:34,815 --> 00:44:37,135
to boil the ocean as a leader? You

1330
00:44:37,135 --> 00:44:40,094
can't. You can't. Yeah. The board members spell

1331
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:41,155
production and mentorship,

1332
00:44:41,614 --> 00:44:43,054
t I m e. Right? They can't spell

1333
00:44:43,054 --> 00:44:44,914
that well, but that's how they spell it.

1334
00:44:45,215 --> 00:44:46,655
And if we're so busy, how do we

1335
00:44:46,655 --> 00:44:47,394
give time?

1336
00:44:47,699 --> 00:44:49,300
Yeah. I love that. And one one example

1337
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:51,079
as far as the to don't list is

1338
00:44:51,219 --> 00:44:52,980
and it's interesting how you, like if you

1339
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:54,980
frame it right, like, people have a hard

1340
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:55,480
time

1341
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:57,940
arguing with that boundary you've created. So, for

1342
00:44:57,940 --> 00:45:00,099
example, being a bishop in the inner city

1343
00:45:00,099 --> 00:45:00,599
ward,

1344
00:45:00,914 --> 00:45:03,255
when somebody had a, welfare request,

1345
00:45:03,635 --> 00:45:05,795
you know, maybe in a more traditional ward,

1346
00:45:05,795 --> 00:45:06,914
they would just set an appointment with a

1347
00:45:06,914 --> 00:45:08,675
bishop. They'd have a conversation about, hey. I

1348
00:45:08,675 --> 00:45:10,515
need help with rent or whatever. But I

1349
00:45:10,515 --> 00:45:12,755
had so many welfare requests that if I

1350
00:45:12,755 --> 00:45:14,434
did that, it would consume my whole time.

1351
00:45:14,434 --> 00:45:15,735
Right? And so

1352
00:45:16,089 --> 00:45:17,690
my executive secretary, when someone would call to

1353
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:18,969
set an appointment with me, he would ask

1354
00:45:18,969 --> 00:45:21,690
them, is this about anything related to, finances

1355
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:23,530
or welfare? And if they said yes, he's

1356
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:25,130
like, oh, well, great. I'm glad you mentioned

1357
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:26,569
that because you actually need to meet with

1358
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:27,869
one of our service missionaries

1359
00:45:28,170 --> 00:45:29,494
for for them to do an assessment. Because

1360
00:45:29,494 --> 00:45:31,175
if you met with bishop Franken, there's really

1361
00:45:31,175 --> 00:45:33,175
nothing he could do at this point. And

1362
00:45:33,175 --> 00:45:34,934
so you'll just have to meet with with

1363
00:45:34,934 --> 00:45:36,375
them. So that was my you know, like,

1364
00:45:36,375 --> 00:45:38,535
I don't meet with people about welfare. Yep.

1365
00:45:38,535 --> 00:45:40,855
Like, I've that's what the service missionaries do

1366
00:45:40,855 --> 00:45:43,094
or the welfare specialist or whomever you wanna

1367
00:45:43,094 --> 00:45:45,030
call. And it was like this rule, like,

1368
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:46,789
oh, that just doesn't happen. It's not like

1369
00:45:46,789 --> 00:45:48,230
the bishop doesn't wanna meet with you. That's

1370
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:50,070
just not how this system goes. And they're

1371
00:45:50,070 --> 00:45:52,230
like, oh, okay. Well, then give me their

1372
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:53,910
phone number. I'll call them back. You created

1373
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:55,829
boundaries. Yeah. Good leaders know what they need

1374
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:57,510
to do. Great leaders know what they need

1375
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:58,170
to stop.

1376
00:45:58,545 --> 00:46:01,344
Yep. Awesome. Abdul, just throw in a caveat

1377
00:46:01,344 --> 00:46:02,944
here. You do you have a great story

1378
00:46:02,944 --> 00:46:05,184
about Rob Ferrell, who is the most downloaded

1379
00:46:05,184 --> 00:46:06,864
episode in the history of Leading Saints. He's

1380
00:46:06,864 --> 00:46:09,025
a mutual friend of ours. And, anyway, shout

1381
00:46:09,025 --> 00:46:11,425
out for Rob Ferrell. The story itself about

1382
00:46:11,545 --> 00:46:13,284
The story. Is Daniel Ambers is

1383
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,880
it's no surprise he was a very similar

1384
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,960
stake president. So that there's your teaser there

1385
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,199
for the the Rob Ferrell story. There's this

1386
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,300
concept I wanna talk about that

1387
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,440
the leader who maybe you can tell the

1388
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,800
story. The leader who sort of came to

1389
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,164
our people and said, we've gotta raise this

1390
00:46:28,164 --> 00:46:30,005
much money and this much time. Do you

1391
00:46:30,005 --> 00:46:31,764
remember that story? Yeah. Yeah. And they were

1392
00:46:31,764 --> 00:46:33,284
in a dire situation, and she came to

1393
00:46:33,284 --> 00:46:34,964
everybody. And she just said, honestly, hey. Our

1394
00:46:34,964 --> 00:46:36,905
company is in a rough spot, and

1395
00:46:37,525 --> 00:46:39,525
we need your help. And I don't wanna

1396
00:46:39,525 --> 00:46:41,449
lay people off. I don't want this to

1397
00:46:41,449 --> 00:46:43,369
get crazy, but I I just I need

1398
00:46:43,369 --> 00:46:44,650
to be real with you, and this is

1399
00:46:44,650 --> 00:46:45,309
the situation.

1400
00:46:45,929 --> 00:46:48,409
And that kind of honesty, that vulnerability created

1401
00:46:48,409 --> 00:46:50,809
a sense of ownership in helping people rally

1402
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:53,545
together to solve the problem. And she kinda

1403
00:46:53,545 --> 00:46:55,065
put this call center together, and they were

1404
00:46:55,065 --> 00:46:57,545
calling out clients that owed them money. And

1405
00:46:57,545 --> 00:46:59,545
that was the issue within the company. And

1406
00:46:59,545 --> 00:47:01,224
they made it a game. They kinda gamified

1407
00:47:01,224 --> 00:47:02,045
the whole process.

1408
00:47:02,425 --> 00:47:03,785
And all of a sudden, all of the

1409
00:47:03,785 --> 00:47:06,090
employees who were marketers or in sales or

1410
00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:08,829
in advertising or HR were rallying together

1411
00:47:09,210 --> 00:47:11,769
to solve a problem. And everybody would ping

1412
00:47:11,769 --> 00:47:13,210
a bell when they would they would get

1413
00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:14,890
a sale or someone would commit to making

1414
00:47:14,890 --> 00:47:16,890
a payment. And it was just cool to

1415
00:47:16,890 --> 00:47:18,970
see how that leader created a sense of

1416
00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:19,470
ownership

1417
00:47:19,835 --> 00:47:21,275
where it's not just always about the leader

1418
00:47:21,275 --> 00:47:23,514
standing in front and and leading, but it's,

1419
00:47:23,514 --> 00:47:24,494
again, invoking

1420
00:47:25,034 --> 00:47:27,594
others to contribute to the cause in a

1421
00:47:27,594 --> 00:47:29,034
way where they get to drive the car

1422
00:47:29,034 --> 00:47:30,315
a little bit. You know, I share the

1423
00:47:30,315 --> 00:47:31,994
story in the book about my dad who,

1424
00:47:31,994 --> 00:47:33,514
on the way from church, home from church,

1425
00:47:33,514 --> 00:47:34,795
he would let me sit in the seat

1426
00:47:34,795 --> 00:47:35,454
and drive,

1427
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:37,460
and he gave me a sense of ownership.

1428
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:39,539
Yes. I didn't have total complete control of

1429
00:47:39,539 --> 00:47:40,199
the car.

1430
00:47:40,579 --> 00:47:42,820
But for that moment, I I saw it

1431
00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:43,320
differently.

1432
00:47:43,699 --> 00:47:46,420
I looked at the process, the experience through

1433
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:47,239
different eyes

1434
00:47:47,539 --> 00:47:49,320
because I was holding this to you well.

1435
00:47:49,525 --> 00:47:51,844
This is such an important concept that can

1436
00:47:51,844 --> 00:47:53,284
easily be missed in our in our faith

1437
00:47:53,284 --> 00:47:54,344
tradition because

1438
00:47:54,724 --> 00:47:58,005
and sometimes we assume that as leaders, our

1439
00:47:58,005 --> 00:48:00,644
role is to we've been ordained with ins

1440
00:48:01,125 --> 00:48:01,784
with authority

1441
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:04,659
to receive inspiration that will give us answers

1442
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,719
of how to move forward. But oftentimes, in

1443
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,940
all my leadership experience,

1444
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,280
I have found that that authority often gives

1445
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,260
you inspiration

1446
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,039
to articulate what the problem is. Yeah. And

1447
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:16,639
then once you figure out what the problem

1448
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:18,454
is, you take it to your people and

1449
00:48:18,454 --> 00:48:20,775
say, here's the problem. Yes. Anybody got any

1450
00:48:20,775 --> 00:48:23,815
ideas? Right? And I saw this in in

1451
00:48:23,815 --> 00:48:25,974
motions. It was one of the biggest blessings

1452
00:48:25,974 --> 00:48:27,655
of my time as a bishop when the

1453
00:48:27,655 --> 00:48:29,015
thing that kept me up at night was

1454
00:48:29,015 --> 00:48:30,695
that we have you know, we're in a

1455
00:48:30,695 --> 00:48:33,230
transient area. We have all these people, all

1456
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:35,230
these families on the roles, and we don't

1457
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:37,069
even know who they are. Are they there?

1458
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:37,889
Have they moved?

1459
00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:39,789
And so I brought that to the ward,

1460
00:48:39,789 --> 00:48:41,569
and we began to work together

1461
00:48:41,949 --> 00:48:43,869
and talk about unity. I mean, it just

1462
00:48:43,869 --> 00:48:46,625
brought everybody together. We got the we figured

1463
00:48:46,625 --> 00:48:48,144
it out and moved on, but it was

1464
00:48:48,144 --> 00:48:49,125
such a sanctifying

1465
00:48:49,425 --> 00:48:52,005
process. And I talked to so many people,

1466
00:48:52,144 --> 00:48:53,824
and it breaks my heart where they're, you

1467
00:48:53,824 --> 00:48:56,065
know, they're not aspiring for a leadership role.

1468
00:48:56,065 --> 00:48:57,664
And in fact, they don't necessarily have time

1469
00:48:57,664 --> 00:48:59,739
for it, but they feel like, you know

1470
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:01,820
I've talked to people saying, I haven't sat

1471
00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:04,460
on the word council in fifteen years, and

1472
00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:06,880
I feel like my perspective and opinion

1473
00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:09,579
doesn't even get asked around here. You know?

1474
00:49:09,579 --> 00:49:11,900
Like, at least in those meetings, people can

1475
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:13,635
raise their hand, bring up concerns. But me,

1476
00:49:13,635 --> 00:49:14,994
I just have to show up and go

1477
00:49:14,994 --> 00:49:17,335
with whatever the word council has decided. So

1478
00:49:17,394 --> 00:49:19,414
when you create this this culture

1479
00:49:19,795 --> 00:49:20,614
where somehow

1480
00:49:21,394 --> 00:49:23,635
people can give their input and say, this

1481
00:49:23,635 --> 00:49:24,994
is what I'm seeing. And and I don't

1482
00:49:24,994 --> 00:49:26,355
even have a have a calling, but I

1483
00:49:26,355 --> 00:49:28,035
want this word to succeed, and and I

1484
00:49:28,035 --> 00:49:29,670
wanna be I wanna be a part of

1485
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:31,510
it. I wanna be part of the solution.

1486
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:33,510
Yes. But I don't wanna wait around for

1487
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:35,670
a specific calling to do that. Just let's

1488
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:37,510
work together in it. Yeah. And you widen

1489
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:39,510
your perspective as a leader. I think in

1490
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:41,429
the church, sometimes we think revelation is just

1491
00:49:41,429 --> 00:49:43,925
between you and god. You and god. But

1492
00:49:43,925 --> 00:49:46,085
I do maybe this call this false doctrine

1493
00:49:46,085 --> 00:49:47,125
or whatever you wanna call it, but I

1494
00:49:47,125 --> 00:49:48,485
believe this in my life, and I have

1495
00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:50,085
seen this in my life. And I received

1496
00:49:50,085 --> 00:49:50,585
revelation

1497
00:49:50,885 --> 00:49:53,284
from other people. You know? In our research,

1498
00:49:53,284 --> 00:49:55,045
we found that great that people in the

1499
00:49:55,045 --> 00:49:56,505
workplace found purpose

1500
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:59,160
in their job. The number one contributing factor

1501
00:49:59,460 --> 00:50:01,380
on how they found that was through the

1502
00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:01,880
association

1503
00:50:02,180 --> 00:50:04,680
and connection with other purposeful people.

1504
00:50:05,059 --> 00:50:07,300
Example, I've learned to be a better leader

1505
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:09,239
through my association with Rob Ferrell.

1506
00:50:09,785 --> 00:50:10,285
Hands

1507
00:50:10,664 --> 00:50:12,585
down. He has guided me and directed me

1508
00:50:12,585 --> 00:50:14,605
and helped me to become a better leader

1509
00:50:14,825 --> 00:50:16,844
for my people through his guidance.

1510
00:50:17,224 --> 00:50:19,485
Now is that direct revelation from God?

1511
00:50:20,425 --> 00:50:22,590
Maybe not direct revelation between me and God.

1512
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:24,590
However, I do believe that God works through

1513
00:50:24,590 --> 00:50:26,670
other people to help guide you. Right? We

1514
00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:28,190
know that. That is a principle in the

1515
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:30,750
gospel that there's physical and spiritual angels, and

1516
00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:32,430
some of those angels are physical, and they

1517
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:34,670
guide you to see differently. And I think

1518
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:36,930
when we remember that we can receive revelation

1519
00:50:36,989 --> 00:50:38,534
and inspiration from others,

1520
00:50:39,094 --> 00:50:40,714
it widens our perspective

1521
00:50:41,014 --> 00:50:43,574
and our influence as a leader. Yeah. So

1522
00:50:43,574 --> 00:50:44,635
powerful. Awesome.

1523
00:50:45,094 --> 00:50:47,094
Some of the quotes, I I'll just rattle

1524
00:50:47,094 --> 00:50:48,694
these off here and people can, take it

1525
00:50:48,694 --> 00:50:50,054
for what it is. I don't know if

1526
00:50:50,054 --> 00:50:52,010
I mentioned this one. Don't we all want

1527
00:50:52,070 --> 00:50:53,909
to feel valued in a place where we

1528
00:50:53,909 --> 00:50:55,269
spend so much of our time? You know,

1529
00:50:55,269 --> 00:50:57,349
obviously, in the workplace, that's huge, but don't

1530
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:59,510
we all want to feel valued in our

1531
00:50:59,510 --> 00:51:01,349
board? Like, into the place where we go

1532
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:03,349
and try and commune with the divine? Like,

1533
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:05,110
we want to feel valued there. I love

1534
00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:07,625
that. Finding out that what a potential employee

1535
00:51:07,625 --> 00:51:09,545
wants to achieve is an important part of

1536
00:51:09,545 --> 00:51:10,985
determining whether they're a good fit for the

1537
00:51:10,985 --> 00:51:12,985
job. I think we talked about that. This

1538
00:51:12,985 --> 00:51:13,724
one quote

1539
00:51:14,105 --> 00:51:16,105
I should have read earlier, but one of

1540
00:51:16,105 --> 00:51:18,184
the root causes of turnover today is that

1541
00:51:18,184 --> 00:51:21,250
younger workers aren't afraid to leave. For them,

1542
00:51:21,389 --> 00:51:23,230
a job has to be fair, a win

1543
00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:24,050
win situation,

1544
00:51:24,429 --> 00:51:26,269
or there's no deal. They will get up

1545
00:51:26,269 --> 00:51:27,569
and walk away. And,

1546
00:51:27,949 --> 00:51:30,829
man, there's a lot there that relates to

1547
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:33,894
the the younger generation with church. Like, if

1548
00:51:33,894 --> 00:51:35,735
there's not some some values there, some of

1549
00:51:35,735 --> 00:51:37,974
their core values they're seeing, like, they'll never

1550
00:51:37,974 --> 00:51:39,894
get to the core doctrines that can bless

1551
00:51:39,894 --> 00:51:41,815
their lives so much. Right? Yeah. It's important

1552
00:51:41,815 --> 00:51:43,255
to ask yourself, you know, what does our

1553
00:51:43,255 --> 00:51:45,575
award what do we as a church what

1554
00:51:45,575 --> 00:51:47,275
do we offer that Google can't?

1555
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,139
Yeah. What do you offer that Google can't?

1556
00:51:50,359 --> 00:51:51,819
Things like spiritual experiences,

1557
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,819
things like connection, real connection, things like moments.

1558
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,380
The number one thing still to this day

1559
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,760
that youth ask or that they wish they

1560
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,925
had more of in the church of Jesus

1561
00:52:02,925 --> 00:52:05,164
Christ of Latter day Saints is that not

1562
00:52:05,164 --> 00:52:07,644
everyone, but but the common trend is I

1563
00:52:07,644 --> 00:52:10,125
wish I felt the spirit more. Wish I

1564
00:52:10,125 --> 00:52:13,485
felt the spirit more. Google can't provide that.

1565
00:52:13,485 --> 00:52:17,170
TikTok cannot provide that. Facebook cannot provide that.

1566
00:52:17,309 --> 00:52:19,069
Spirit is the only thing that can provide

1567
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:21,630
that. And, Yeah. Yeah. I think it's it's

1568
00:52:21,630 --> 00:52:23,150
worth considering. It's worth

1569
00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:26,109
this quote that I had to set the

1570
00:52:26,109 --> 00:52:27,549
book down and and take a breather here.

1571
00:52:27,549 --> 00:52:29,549
But what will happen if you don't invest

1572
00:52:29,549 --> 00:52:31,594
in your people? They'll leave anyway

1573
00:52:31,974 --> 00:52:32,795
or worse,

1574
00:52:33,175 --> 00:52:35,735
they'll mentally quit and stay. Oh my god.

1575
00:52:35,735 --> 00:52:38,054
Yeah. Like, that's like Man, what what could

1576
00:52:38,054 --> 00:52:40,695
be worse than than leaving than them just

1577
00:52:40,695 --> 00:52:43,494
disengaging mentally, than just showing up to church

1578
00:52:43,494 --> 00:52:46,150
and saying I'm here, wins it over. Right?

1579
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:48,309
I mean, that is just cancer for an

1580
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:50,250
organization, and it's not the individual's

1581
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:53,030
problem. At least it's not all their problem.

1582
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:55,190
It start it can goes back to leadership

1583
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:57,190
to say, what can we do differently so

1584
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:59,684
that they don't mentally quit? And then this

1585
00:52:59,684 --> 00:53:01,125
great one, we'll we'll wrap it up with

1586
00:53:01,125 --> 00:53:02,885
with this one. It's not about getting your

1587
00:53:02,885 --> 00:53:05,285
employees to to say, I love it here.

1588
00:53:05,285 --> 00:53:07,445
It's also about getting them to say, I

1589
00:53:07,445 --> 00:53:09,765
love who I am while I'm here. And,

1590
00:53:09,765 --> 00:53:12,164
man, isn't that the dream of every leader

1591
00:53:12,164 --> 00:53:14,664
in the church? Like, we're glad you're here,

1592
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:16,159
but more more importantly,

1593
00:53:16,699 --> 00:53:17,839
when you come to church,

1594
00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:20,780
like, you feel like you're becoming something great,

1595
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:23,019
like, becoming more like the divine. And, man,

1596
00:53:23,019 --> 00:53:24,699
that is that's the gospel for me. That's

1597
00:53:24,699 --> 00:53:26,780
why I'm still engaged and on this journey

1598
00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:29,015
is who I'm becoming. And that is, like,

1599
00:53:29,015 --> 00:53:31,255
the most beautiful part of all of this.

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00:53:31,255 --> 00:53:32,775
I think we can look at a calling

1601
00:53:32,775 --> 00:53:35,914
sometimes in leadership and see all the meetings,

1602
00:53:36,215 --> 00:53:38,215
all of the phone calls, all of the

1603
00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:39,835
follow-up, all of the admin.

1604
00:53:40,329 --> 00:53:42,730
But I also I mean, man, there is

1605
00:53:42,730 --> 00:53:45,869
a beautiful side to this that is remarkable,

1606
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:48,010
and and it's the leaders that made those

1607
00:53:48,010 --> 00:53:50,809
types of differences. They understood that. They understood

1608
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:52,809
that role in the lives that they played

1609
00:53:52,809 --> 00:53:54,734
in other people. I had a a bishop

1610
00:53:54,734 --> 00:53:56,815
who's most instrumental person in my life, and

1611
00:53:56,815 --> 00:53:58,014
I asked him, I said, what was your

1612
00:53:58,014 --> 00:54:00,255
favorite part of being a bishop? And he

1613
00:54:00,255 --> 00:54:01,934
said it was always the best when the

1614
00:54:01,934 --> 00:54:04,014
light bulb would turn on. He's like, when

1615
00:54:04,014 --> 00:54:06,014
I was able to connect and to love

1616
00:54:06,014 --> 00:54:06,514
somebody

1617
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:09,289
and that light bulb turned on and they

1618
00:54:09,289 --> 00:54:09,789
realized

1619
00:54:10,090 --> 00:54:11,869
that the savior loved them too.

1620
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:14,250
So that is why I'm a bishop. That

1621
00:54:14,250 --> 00:54:16,269
is why I love church leadership.

1622
00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:18,010
And, yeah, he still had to do the

1623
00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:20,110
meetings. Yes. There was still the admin,

1624
00:54:20,585 --> 00:54:22,664
but, also, there was the opportunity to turn

1625
00:54:22,664 --> 00:54:25,144
the light bulb on where somebody liked themselves

1626
00:54:25,144 --> 00:54:27,784
best because they associated with you. And through

1627
00:54:27,784 --> 00:54:28,525
that association,

1628
00:54:29,065 --> 00:54:31,784
they came closer to Christ. There's no greater

1629
00:54:31,784 --> 00:54:33,404
calling. There's no greater privilege

1630
00:54:33,704 --> 00:54:35,545
in my mind than to connect somebody with

1631
00:54:35,545 --> 00:54:37,450
Christ. And when you do that, you become

1632
00:54:37,450 --> 00:54:39,849
connected to Christ as well. And that is

1633
00:54:39,849 --> 00:54:40,989
the beauty of

1634
00:54:41,289 --> 00:54:43,950
your role as a leader in this gospel.

1635
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:46,570
Love it. Alright, Clint. I got one more

1636
00:54:46,570 --> 00:54:48,315
question for you. But before we do that,

1637
00:54:48,394 --> 00:54:50,234
if people wanna connect with you, I know

1638
00:54:50,234 --> 00:54:52,894
you do a lot of corporate speaking, maybe

1639
00:54:53,275 --> 00:54:55,034
do you do firesides? Where can they get

1640
00:54:55,034 --> 00:54:57,114
the book? Obviously, not that you do a

1641
00:54:57,114 --> 00:54:58,635
fireside on the book. I don't maybe you

1642
00:54:58,635 --> 00:55:00,315
got one. I don't know. But, maybe just

1643
00:55:00,315 --> 00:55:01,994
give us your rundown of where people connect

1644
00:55:01,994 --> 00:55:03,150
to you and how how you can serve

1645
00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:04,670
them. Yeah. They can find out more at

1646
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:06,289
clintpulver.com.

1647
00:55:06,429 --> 00:55:08,449
It's the website. And then I'm on Instagram,

1648
00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:10,989
Clint Pulver on Instagram, and the book is

1649
00:55:10,989 --> 00:55:11,730
on Amazon,

1650
00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:14,190
Barnes and Noble. Just type in I love

1651
00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:16,464
it here or Clint Pulver. Cool. Well, I

1652
00:55:16,464 --> 00:55:18,864
confidently give it my endorsement to whatever that

1653
00:55:18,864 --> 00:55:21,264
means. This would be a great book. I

1654
00:55:21,264 --> 00:55:22,945
mean, you want just sort of a fun

1655
00:55:22,945 --> 00:55:24,784
little book club with your word council or

1656
00:55:24,784 --> 00:55:26,085
some of your leaders, like,

1657
00:55:26,385 --> 00:55:28,464
take one one chapter at a time and

1658
00:55:28,464 --> 00:55:30,224
and talk about it. And there's some principles

1659
00:55:30,224 --> 00:55:32,110
here that could really help you,

1660
00:55:32,809 --> 00:55:34,410
self assess and say, you know, what are

1661
00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:36,250
we missing here? What how do people interact

1662
00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:37,789
with us as as a leader? So

1663
00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:40,329
fantastic book. So my last question for you,

1664
00:55:40,329 --> 00:55:42,090
Clint, is as you've gone through this research,

1665
00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:44,845
as you've written, you know, this leadership book,

1666
00:55:44,845 --> 00:55:47,085
how has writing this leadership book helped you

1667
00:55:47,085 --> 00:55:49,565
become a better follower of Jesus Christ? I

1668
00:55:49,565 --> 00:55:51,325
think it's allowed me to see the perspective

1669
00:55:51,325 --> 00:55:53,724
into what really matters to people. And I

1670
00:55:53,724 --> 00:55:55,485
look at my life as a member of

1671
00:55:55,485 --> 00:55:57,260
the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

1672
00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:59,179
day Saints and some of the greatest influences

1673
00:55:59,179 --> 00:55:59,920
in the times

1674
00:56:00,219 --> 00:56:01,920
that I have felt the spirit the most

1675
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:03,739
is when great leaders got to the part

1676
00:56:03,739 --> 00:56:05,739
about me. You know, it wasn't so much

1677
00:56:05,739 --> 00:56:07,659
about ticking off the box or making sure

1678
00:56:07,659 --> 00:56:09,764
that I was worthy or I was doing

1679
00:56:09,764 --> 00:56:11,925
everything that I I needed to do to

1680
00:56:11,925 --> 00:56:12,585
be perfect.

1681
00:56:12,885 --> 00:56:14,405
It was, are you taken care of as

1682
00:56:14,405 --> 00:56:14,984
a person?

1683
00:56:15,284 --> 00:56:17,684
And I value you as a person, and

1684
00:56:17,684 --> 00:56:18,664
so does Christ.

1685
00:56:19,045 --> 00:56:20,425
And when I saw them

1686
00:56:20,804 --> 00:56:22,724
get to the part about me, it allowed

1687
00:56:22,724 --> 00:56:23,704
me to realize

1688
00:56:24,219 --> 00:56:25,039
that Christ

1689
00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:27,840
was also getting to the part about me.

1690
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:30,460
Everything that Christ does is for us. It's

1691
00:56:30,460 --> 00:56:32,619
about getting to the part about us and

1692
00:56:32,619 --> 00:56:35,360
how we can become something more through him.

1693
00:56:35,579 --> 00:56:37,119
That's what I've learned, and,

1694
00:56:37,485 --> 00:56:38,864
it's been a beautiful experience.

1695
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,839
That concludes my interview with Clint Pulver. Big

1696
00:56:54,839 --> 00:56:56,199
shout out to him for allowing me to

1697
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:58,119
throw some questions at him. His book is

1698
00:56:58,119 --> 00:56:59,800
great. I hope you come across. I I

1699
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,480
don't mean to hype it up too much,

1700
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,400
but it really is just a solid book

1701
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,320
that would be so helpful for any leader

1702
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,260
out there even if you're just a parent.

1703
00:57:07,414 --> 00:57:08,855
You know, don't you want your kids to

1704
00:57:08,855 --> 00:57:10,214
say, I love it here when they're at

1705
00:57:10,214 --> 00:57:12,614
home. There's some principles there that can even

1706
00:57:12,614 --> 00:57:14,375
help in in a home. So check it

1707
00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:16,695
out, really well done. I would love to

1708
00:57:16,695 --> 00:57:18,855
hear of any other book you're reading that

1709
00:57:18,855 --> 00:57:20,135
the author I could reach out to and

1710
00:57:20,135 --> 00:57:21,655
maybe do an interview. They don't even have

1711
00:57:21,655 --> 00:57:23,109
to be a Latter day Saint. You know,

1712
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:25,030
I've interviewed a lot of authors who are

1713
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:27,429
have researched or thought about different principles that

1714
00:57:27,429 --> 00:57:29,989
apply to our, leadership experience. So go to

1715
00:57:29,989 --> 00:57:31,909
leadingsaints.org/contact

1716
00:57:31,909 --> 00:57:33,589
and let us know who we should be

1717
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:36,150
reaching out to to include on this, this

1718
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:38,454
podcast. We'd love to hear it. And that

1719
00:57:38,454 --> 00:57:41,734
concludes this throwback episode of the Leading Saints

1720
00:57:41,734 --> 00:57:42,234
podcast.

1721
00:57:42,694 --> 00:57:45,414
Remember, the Jody Moore presentation about youth and

1722
00:57:45,414 --> 00:57:49,275
mental health is waiting for you at leadingsaints.org/fourteen.

1723
00:58:06,864 --> 00:58:09,424
It came as a result of the position

1724
00:58:09,424 --> 00:58:12,404
of leadership which was imposed upon us

1725
00:58:13,025 --> 00:58:15,664
by the god of heaven who brought forth

1726
00:58:15,664 --> 00:58:16,484
a restoration

1727
00:58:16,784 --> 00:58:19,199
of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

1728
00:58:19,579 --> 00:58:21,760
And when the declaration was made

1729
00:58:22,059 --> 00:58:25,019
concerning the own and only true and living

1730
00:58:25,019 --> 00:58:27,119
church upon the face of the earth,

1731
00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:30,400
we were immediately put in a position of

1732
00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:30,960
loneliness.

1733
00:58:31,344 --> 00:58:32,965
The loneliness of leadership

1734
00:58:33,824 --> 00:58:36,805
from which we cannot shrink nor run away,

1735
00:58:37,824 --> 00:58:40,305
and to which we must face up with

1736
00:58:40,305 --> 00:58:41,844
boldness and courage

1737
00:58:42,465 --> 00:58:43,364
and ability.