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in modern times. However,

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drug abuse and substance addiction is growing at

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shocking rates.

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As a church leader, you need to be

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prepared.

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We have a library full of resources

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focused on this topic.

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The presentation I would recommend you start with

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is Joseph Grenny's presentation about what we can

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learn from Captain Moroni to help our loved

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ones overcome struggles with drugs and alcohol.

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His story of how he loved his son

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through his addiction is powerful and redemptive.

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You can listen to this presentation in the

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recovering saints library by going to leadingsaints.org/fourteen.

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Put your information in there and that will

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give you fourteen days at no cost.

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I made it easier for you and put

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the link in the show notes

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or you can go to leadingsaints.org/1four.

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The following episode is a throwback episode, one

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that was published previously and was extremely popular.

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To see the details of when this was

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originally published, see the show notes. Enjoy this

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throwback episode.

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Welcome back to the Leading Saints podcast. My

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name is Kurt Franckam, and I'll be your

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host. Now, if you're new to the Leading

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Saints podcast, this is an organization

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where we produce a podcast. And that podcast

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is always about leadership in the context of

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being a better Latter day Saint leader. So

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if you're new, we welcome you. And we

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hope that you'll share with friends. You'll keep

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listening and listen to many other episodes that

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you can jump into, plenty of content to

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peruse. Now, in this episode is a unique

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episode because I interview

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Frank Leighton. Now Frank Leighton was the coach

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of the Utah Jazz from 1981

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to 1989.

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He was instrumental

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in drafting and signing franchise

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mainstays

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like John Stockton and Karl Malone to the

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club. In 1984,

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Leighton was awarded the NBA's

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coach of the year. The same season, he

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also won the NBA's executive of the year

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and most recently received the 2019

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Chuck Daly Lifetime Achievement

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Award. For those of you who have lived

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in Utah, you know

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that he is a gem in our community.

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An Irish Catholic from Brooklyn, New York, Coach

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Layden came to Utah unexpectedly

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when the New Orleans Jazz became the Utah

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Jazz. He fell in love with the area

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and community and now lives in Downtown Salt

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Lake City with his wife, Barbara. Now though

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coach Layton doesn't have a Latter day Saint

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background, I jumped at the opportunity

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to interview him because he's such a unique

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leader in the Latter day Saint Utah community.

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He shares some remarkable leadership principles in this

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interview. You gotta pay close attention to and

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they all apply to coaching obviously, but many

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of them, if not all of them apply

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to leading as a Latter day Saint. So

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coach Layton jumped right into a story, when

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I handed him the mic. So I hit

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record as quickly as I can. So you're

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jump into the this conversation as it goes.

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interview where I'll share some of my takeaway

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and some of the principles that really stood

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out to me in this interview that, I

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thought were genius,

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approaches to leadership. So here is my interview

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with coach Frank Laden, former Utah jazz head

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coach and one of Utah's favorite Catholics.

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This is what mister Mack said one time.

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The guy the guy that builds the ladders.

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the ladders?

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ladders, the crazy ladders. Well, we saw him

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put on a little exhibition. We were at

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some kind of an outing or something like

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that. And afterwards, I would get introduced and

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everything, and we go to them. Mister Mack

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was standing next to me, and he said,

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this guy, whoever he was, he was a

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fan of the candidate, and he says, oh,

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I've heard you speak, and I know what

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you've done and everything. He says, have you

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thought about joining the church? So I said,

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well, I thought I was in the church,

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anyway,

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I haven't really given much consideration.

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him alone. He says he's more help to

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us outside the church than in it. Wow.

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He goes, Frank Leighton's a friend of ours.

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Nice. He says, and he sells us, he

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says, more than if he were in the

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church. Wow. You know? And I said that

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that was quite a compliment, I thought. You

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know? Yeah. For sure. And, of course,

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president Monson said one time when I was

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speaking at a dinner, after it was over,

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I kidded about needing a green card to

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get into Provo

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what have you. Being being,

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the honor code was being administered to me.

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I didn't even know it. But, anyway, when

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I got over, he, he said,

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and I thought this was wonderful. He said,

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Frank Leighton is one of our treasures,

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he says, because he makes us laugh

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at ourselves.

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Oh, that's great. President Monson. Yeah. Yes. Wow.

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to end up in Utah. Right? No. No.

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Brooklyn that I'm here in the witness protection

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program.

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It's working, I mean, how how do you

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get to Utah? I thought Utah was in

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Europe when I was growing up. Are you

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kidding me? Holy cow. And so

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for those I mean, they may not know

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a little bit of the history. I mean,

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they you were first hired by the New

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Orleans jazz. Right? Yes.

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I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, streets

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in New York, single parent. My mother died

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when I was born and my my childbirth.

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anyway, I remember my coaches early on saying,

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if you, get good grades and you play

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ball or something, you may be able to

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get a scholarship to college. Now if I

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don't get a scholarship to college, maybe I

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go some other way, but because in New

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York City, you you can go to school

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free. I mean, you can go

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to City College in New York, Brooklyn College,

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all those schools. I said, but but playing

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ball sounded good too, and that's what happened

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to me. You know? I I had coaches

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who believed in me and worked with me,

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and and eventually, I got a scholarship to

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college, and I got into coaching

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school teacher. On which teacher? Bust of history.

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History. I was a history teacher. Yeah. Ten

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years. Wow. I had been I had been

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in the service. I had been in the

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ROTC in the Korean War and and what

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have you as an officer. And and when

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was gonna do. And my college coach says,

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you you should go into coaching. You should

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work with kids. And so that's what I

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that's how I started. So then I went

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from there to a small college, then eventually

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college, and from there to, eventually, to

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Niagara University where I played and coached and

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coach. And I left the the Hawks to

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go with the New Orleans Jazz.

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alright, here I was moving to to Utah.

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Utah. Because, at that time, Wanda Lachey, who

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was the, the publisher of the Deseret News,

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was working very hard after the loss of

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the stars here and the ABA team to

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get an another team here, an NBA team

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church. He was a a LDS,

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and he had children at BYU. And they

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they talked and what have you. And finally,

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they persuaded him to come to Salt Lake

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City. And the whole idea was to come

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play here, establish ourselves,

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which eventually happened down the line. So, you

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never forget, and I told her is,

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I said, well, I've got good news and

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bad news. She says, what's the good news?

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the job at the Jazz. She said, well,

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that's great. So what's the bad news? I

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says, we're moving to Salt Lake City, Utah.

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she said, where is that? In England?

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at this point in your life? Been here.

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I had had a relationship with Stan Watts

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through my college coach. They were in the

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navy together, and they knew each other. And,

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they had great respect for one another, and

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played actually, we played against that great, team,

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that great BYU team in Madison Square Garden.

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I think, you know, who did they have,

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Roland Minson and

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who was who was miss America's brother was,

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Mel Hutchins. And that was a great team

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on the NIT. But, anyway,

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the LDS people were coming from everywhere to

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see their team play, to see them lose,

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by the way. But that no. I'm not

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kidding. We exchange losses. Right. Right. So did

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you have as far as your, you had

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1% of them Utah, but any interaction with,

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Mormons before coming to Utah?

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and inviting me things. I give them a

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sandwich and send them on that way. Yeah.

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things early in in my career, I went

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to the, governor,

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and, I think it was governor Bangerter at

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the time. It might not have been it

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might have been, Matheson. But, anyway, I said,

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you know what? You should use me to

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like, they do Tally Savalas. Remember the the

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ads when Tally Savalas used to be on

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used to sell Las Vegas? You say, I'm

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Telesavelas,

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and I live in Las Vegas. This is

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a great place for families to move and

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Las Vegas because of the gambling and stuff

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like that. And he used to say, and

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it's a great place to raise kids and

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all that. So I said, you know what?

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I should go out and say, I'm Frank

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Layton. You all know me coaching the jazz.

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Well, I'm from Brooklyn, New York, but my

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home now is Salt Lake City, Utah, and

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this is a great place to bring. And

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everybody thought that was a great idea

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as some people, but there's a lot of

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denial here. And a lot of people said,

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what's the problem? Nobody knows the difference. Something

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like that. So, anyway, that was it. But

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no. No. I I get along with people.

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Yeah. You know? And, so, you know, I

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I find that by

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going forward and saying, where can I help?

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And that's how I think the jazz when

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we weren't very good, what do we have

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to sell? We had to sell service.

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We had to sell sell the idea that

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we were here, that we were gonna make

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this community better. We weren't gonna hurt college

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basketball.

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I mean, you know, with the great teams

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you had here, you know, the Ladel Andersons

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and the and the,

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you know, Jack Gardners and those kind of

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guys coaching here. So, you know, we, we

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came in with the idea. I said, I

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one of the first things I did, I

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went to the the school

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activities,

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groups and said, look at, what can we

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do to make sports in Utah better? And

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they said, well, you could help us by

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not playing on Friday nights. I said, we

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can do that. Yeah. Sure. We'll we'll help

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that. And we put on clinics, coaches clinic,

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kids clinics. We started junior jazz. Oh, yeah.

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By the way, the biggest the biggest

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thing in the whole country Yeah. Little League.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like Little League

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basketball,

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and we had over a 110,000

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kids playing. A 110,000

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I was one of those kids. In five

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states. Yeah. And in fact, it's a model

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now for the NBA Yeah. To use. And

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then the idea that I'd go out and

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speak and meet and, you know, and whether

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it was, you know, to me,

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being Irish Catholic Democrat, I know I could

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get my group and meet in a phone

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booth.

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But you know what? People stand up and

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listen. People are willing to share, and that's

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what we try to do. Yeah. And I

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I've always believed in that. I I always

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felt I could get along with people and

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try to I I always knew this. I

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always knew who the home team was here.

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Yeah. Alright? And I always knew it was

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a club I couldn't get into. So

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I just I tried to obey the rules,

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live a good life, and bring up a

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family here Sure. And add add to the

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culture that was already here, and, hopefully, it

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was, it was in a good way. Yeah.

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And you it has been. I mean, you've

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added a lot to You know what? I

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think one of the things that's happened is

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is being honored by the by the, by

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BYU. Yeah. Alright? The the business society

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having their dinners,

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and then I I lit the y Yeah.

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At a game one year. I had Lavelle

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had me come in and speak to the

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the team before a game one day.

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Last year, just last year, Barbara and I

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were on it at a BYU basketball game,

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which they were playing my alma mater at

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the at the Marriott Center. And so, you

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know, we've tried to keep up a relationship.

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There was no jealousy.

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Yeah. You know, I always felt there was

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room for everybody.

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There's no bad cities or bad states. There's

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only bad teams. Mhmm. You know, if you're

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good, you'll make it. There's room for everybody.

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Yeah. You know, and I always think of

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this. The year 1984,

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what does that mean to the people that

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are LDS that have a connection with BYU?

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That was that was the national championship. The

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national championship football team. That's right. 1984

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was also the first time the Jazz made

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the playoffs.

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All right. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that was

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a big year for both. Yeah. For sure.

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There was room for everybody. Yeah. And, and

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so I think if you if you go

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about it that way,

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you'll be just fine. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

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So going back to your, career, I mean,

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as a player, did you are always know

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you'd end up in coaching? I mean, was

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that the No. No. No. You know why?

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Because I always saw coaches

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as kinda belabored. You know? They they never

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seem to be paid enough. They they always

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were being you know? Hell, you win, you're

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fine, you lose. You know? You're famous for

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a little while. You know? I admired coaches,

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and I knew some of the great ones.

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I I'm very fortunate to say that that

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I considered,

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Johnny Wooding a close friend, not just a

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friend. Really? Well I knew Vince Lombardi, you

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know, and then crossing over into different sports.

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You know?

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Red

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Red Holzman,

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was a good friend. We played for the

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same high school coach. I had a wonderful

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high school coach, mister Drucker. By the way,

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I still call him mister Drucker. You know?

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I signed him to a one day contract

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so he could sit on the bench with

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the Jazz and Oh, really? Assistant coach in

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the NBA per day. And, mister Gallagher, my

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my high school co my college coach was

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a had a wonderful influence on me. And

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we always seemed to have room, you know,

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when we didn't have we didn't

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we weren't poor when we were kids. We

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just didn't have any money. But we always

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had spikes and gloves and, you know, whatever

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we needed Yeah. To

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to to progress. To play. And so, you

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know, moving here

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and and I I don't say this in

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a corny way. I think it was there

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was something spiritual about it. Really? I think

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we came out here for a reason, and

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we could live anywhere in the world now,

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my barber and I, but we chose to

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live here and our children are lived here.

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But I really think that we're here because

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we add a certain balance Yeah. To this,

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to this community. Yeah. It's been a great

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balance. I needed balance for sure. So when

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you did come out here, did you feel

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like you were getting a break? I mean,

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this is your first NBA professional head coaching

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position. Wasn't sure because I had the worst

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team in the history of basketball. Yeah. I

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mean, nobody could win win with this, Jazz.

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I can't So where do you start with

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that? Well, the first coach was was Tom

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Nusilke. Mhmm. And, and he eventually got fired.

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He, you know, he was a good coach,

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a very good coach, but you could nobody

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could win. We just didn't have any players.

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It took a little time. And you know

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what? You can you can work hard at

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scouting and and looking at players and but

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everybody's doing that. You have to get a

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little lucky. Yeah. You know? And all of

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a sudden, you know, certain pieces fell into

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and I'm not talking about Malone and Stockton.

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They're they're supposed to be. Man. But it

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was how about, you know, getting a guy

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like Bobby Hanson or Ricky Green who had

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been to mind leagues for five years. I'd

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been I'd I'd never really every time he

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came to the to the NBA, he, he

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didn't make it. Mhmm. But we were a

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team that was hungry for help, and he

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turned out to be just right. Yeah. He

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was great. I thought he was the first

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great player we we really got. And, and

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then Mark Eaton. Yeah. You know, who never

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played in college, never played in high school,

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you know, play he sat on the bench

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at UCLA. He was great in the team

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picture. Turned out to be an all star

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with us. Yeah. He You know? And so

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and then, Jerry Sloan, who had who had,

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you know, coached at Chicago

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and got fired there, came with us and

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coached his way into the hall of fame.

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Yeah. You know? And so, yeah, it's you

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gotta but you gotta get lucky. You gotta

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first, you gotta get the opportunity

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to get it. And there's only there's only

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30 jobs,

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so you gotta make the most of them.

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But there should be service involved. I really

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believe that there's a couple of things I

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think I the Peace Corps. That was one

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of our most successful things in selling American

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standards around the world.

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What good, I wonder, is done by the

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by the missionaries,

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not just in conversion

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to the Mormon church or bringing bringing new

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people into the

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the the Mormon church, into the LDS church.

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But what about how

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people see them? These clean-cut

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youngsters, you know, going around the world, they

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see these as as healthy American

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kids trying to do something good. And it's

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not, oh, I I knew some some young

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ladies from BYU. They were on a mission,

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and they were they were giving injections,

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you know, inoculations and wrapping bandages and helping

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in clinics and stuff around the world. And

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that stuff is what we need. We need

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to to reinsert ourselves in terms of service.

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And I always felt this way, even when

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I was coaching the pros, that I wanted

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the players

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to be better intellectually

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when they left us than they were when

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they came with us. And I think they

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were. I think in most cases, they were.

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How did you go about doing that or

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installing? By instituting certain things that hadn't been

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done before. We started a wives' club.

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The wives are lonely. Their husbands are away.

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Their husbands are the big stars. They're married

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when they're young kids. And so we started

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a wives' club and gave them some duties,

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such as, as,

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putting on shows, clothing, or what do you

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call it? Modeling

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Fashion shows. Fashion shows and raising money. And

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then, the Christmas tree. We got into the

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Christmas tree business and and and we won

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the award one year. We had victories all

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covered with shoes and shirts of the players.

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And and then some of the some of

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the young ladies, we'd ask them in interviews,

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what were you gonna do before you get

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married? Oh, I wanted to be a nurse.

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Well, why don't you be a nurse? I'll

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give you an example. Adrienne Danley's wife came.

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She says, I wanted to be a lawyer.

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Well, why didn't you go to law school?

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She went to law school. She's a lawyer

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now. Oh, wow. Yeah. You know, so in

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other words, they had dreams that they didn't

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necessarily have to give them up because they

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got married. You know, they could still go

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on with their lives. And and so, you

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know, and and we took care of the

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kids. Then we started a chapel service, you

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know, after these these guys get out of

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school, away from their families, everything else. Their

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mothers, they didn't go to church anymore. So,

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you know, we got the the reverend Franz

521
00:19:03,289 --> 00:19:05,849
Davis. Oh, yeah. Alright. And we had another,

522
00:19:06,490 --> 00:19:08,089
a minister in town by the name of,

523
00:19:08,329 --> 00:19:10,250
Jerry Lewis Mhmm. Of all names, but he

524
00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:12,490
was a great guy. He's died recently. A

525
00:19:12,490 --> 00:19:15,284
wonderful Christian gentleman, and we had, we had

526
00:19:15,284 --> 00:19:15,784
services

527
00:19:16,244 --> 00:19:18,244
on, once a week, and we invited the

528
00:19:18,244 --> 00:19:20,085
wives to come. We invited the other teams

529
00:19:20,085 --> 00:19:22,585
to join us. Sometimes players were suspicious

530
00:19:23,044 --> 00:19:24,804
of why we would do that. They thought

531
00:19:24,804 --> 00:19:26,884
we were softening their teams up, but but

532
00:19:26,884 --> 00:19:29,690
sometimes players would come from other teams. We

533
00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:30,990
also gave a bonus

534
00:19:31,369 --> 00:19:34,349
to players who finished, their college degrees.

535
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:36,490
A lot of them quit college early, or

536
00:19:36,490 --> 00:19:37,470
they don't finish

537
00:19:37,769 --> 00:19:40,089
their degrees before they grad they get out,

538
00:19:40,089 --> 00:19:42,170
and they go into the pros. And there's

539
00:19:42,170 --> 00:19:43,230
a lot of satisfaction.

540
00:19:43,845 --> 00:19:46,184
I can remember missus Stanley saying the proudest

541
00:19:46,404 --> 00:19:48,505
time in her life wasn't when her son

542
00:19:48,565 --> 00:19:51,044
was on the, all star team where he

543
00:19:51,044 --> 00:19:52,964
was he was captain of the Olympic team

544
00:19:52,964 --> 00:19:54,884
that won a gold medal. He won the

545
00:19:54,884 --> 00:19:57,444
national scoring championship in college. He won it

546
00:19:57,444 --> 00:19:59,380
in the in the NBA. It was when

547
00:19:59,380 --> 00:20:02,039
he walked down the aisle at Notre Dame

548
00:20:02,259 --> 00:20:04,259
and got his diploma. Wow. That's fantastic. You

549
00:20:04,259 --> 00:20:06,180
know? Yeah. She said that was the proudest

550
00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:08,259
moment of my life. And I think as

551
00:20:08,259 --> 00:20:10,200
a parent, that's how I would feel, too.

552
00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:11,815
So it sounds like I mean, it's easy,

553
00:20:11,815 --> 00:20:13,015
is it, for a coach to just get

554
00:20:13,015 --> 00:20:15,414
hyper focused on their players, the wins and

555
00:20:15,414 --> 00:20:17,015
losses. But to look outside of that, I

556
00:20:17,015 --> 00:20:18,534
mean, that's where winning is gonna come from

557
00:20:18,534 --> 00:20:19,815
is is if you take care of everything.

558
00:20:19,974 --> 00:20:21,595
Happens is if the players

559
00:20:21,894 --> 00:20:22,394
feel

560
00:20:22,859 --> 00:20:24,940
that you are for them, they will give

561
00:20:24,940 --> 00:20:28,140
it everything for you. You know, mercenaries can

562
00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:30,460
win, too. I mean, let's face it. Johnny

563
00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:32,859
Wooden tells us that good coaches are one

564
00:20:32,859 --> 00:20:34,559
who win when they have good players.

565
00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:36,714
Some coaches lose with good players, and they

566
00:20:36,714 --> 00:20:38,234
should go in to do something else for

567
00:20:38,234 --> 00:20:41,134
a living. But it isn't just about winning.

568
00:20:41,275 --> 00:20:43,115
I remember one time Larry Miller getting mad

569
00:20:43,115 --> 00:20:44,875
at me when I said that some of

570
00:20:44,875 --> 00:20:46,174
my greatest games

571
00:20:46,634 --> 00:20:47,295
were losses.

572
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,599
I mean, I can remember being at war

573
00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:52,000
with with Pat Riley. Yeah. And we're playing,

574
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,519
you know, maybe the greatest team in the

575
00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:56,580
history of basketball, Kareem and Worthy and and,

576
00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:58,200
you know,

577
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,720
Magic Johnson and stuff. I mean, who were

578
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,380
we playing?

579
00:21:01,714 --> 00:21:03,474
You know? And we we'd give them everything

580
00:21:03,474 --> 00:21:05,954
they they had. You know? And that was

581
00:21:05,954 --> 00:21:07,954
great. Even when we lost a great series

582
00:21:07,954 --> 00:21:10,835
with them seven seven games. Yeah. Barely lost.

583
00:21:10,835 --> 00:21:12,195
After it was over, I said to Pat

584
00:21:12,434 --> 00:21:14,355
you know, we were friends from even before,

585
00:21:14,515 --> 00:21:15,974
being in in coaching.

586
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:18,549
He was from Brooklyn originally. People don't realize

587
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:19,829
it. And then he lived in the Albany

588
00:21:19,829 --> 00:21:21,509
area and then went to Kentucky. But I

589
00:21:21,509 --> 00:21:23,349
said, hey, Pat. Was that funny? He says,

590
00:21:23,349 --> 00:21:25,509
it sure was. You know? I mean, yeah.

591
00:21:25,509 --> 00:21:27,349
Somebody wins, somebody lose. I can live with

592
00:21:27,349 --> 00:21:28,950
that as long as you give it everything

593
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:31,049
you got. And I wanted our players

594
00:21:31,384 --> 00:21:33,625
to leave us with the idea that that

595
00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:35,545
we really did love them, and we used

596
00:21:35,545 --> 00:21:37,625
to hug. We had a little a ritual

597
00:21:37,625 --> 00:21:39,545
with the jazz players. We would hug, and

598
00:21:39,545 --> 00:21:40,985
we still do it when we see each

599
00:21:40,985 --> 00:21:42,505
other and say, what can I do for

600
00:21:42,505 --> 00:21:43,319
you today, man?

601
00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:45,720
What can I do for you today? It

602
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,119
isn't always about basketball. Basketball is a part

603
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,880
of it. And, you know, if you spread

604
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,839
that into all walks of life and in

605
00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:55,480
everything we do, you know, we try to

606
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,335
get it. We try to get it. We,

607
00:21:57,335 --> 00:22:00,455
you know, we need we patriotism starts like

608
00:22:00,455 --> 00:22:01,434
that. Patriotism

609
00:22:01,815 --> 00:22:03,815
starts with a handshake. Yeah. And that's what

610
00:22:03,815 --> 00:22:05,654
a salute is. A salute is a handshake,

611
00:22:05,654 --> 00:22:07,174
you know, in the army and stuff like

612
00:22:07,174 --> 00:22:09,095
that. It's a it's a hello. How are

613
00:22:09,095 --> 00:22:10,369
you? And I think,

614
00:22:11,009 --> 00:22:12,690
we need more of that. You know, I

615
00:22:12,769 --> 00:22:14,769
I've also realized that just this kind of

616
00:22:14,769 --> 00:22:16,690
thing. How did the jazz have you ever

617
00:22:16,690 --> 00:22:19,089
saw my team stand for the Starspano banner?

618
00:22:19,089 --> 00:22:21,089
Baby, you'd think they were at West Point.

619
00:22:21,089 --> 00:22:22,769
Yeah. And I said, unless any of you

620
00:22:22,769 --> 00:22:25,164
guys have a congressional medal of honor, you

621
00:22:25,164 --> 00:22:27,164
stand at attention when they play that song

622
00:22:27,164 --> 00:22:29,325
and they have the and you honor our

623
00:22:29,325 --> 00:22:31,484
country. Yeah. Because that's the only thing. I

624
00:22:31,484 --> 00:22:33,964
don't use service you're giving, you know? So

625
00:22:33,964 --> 00:22:35,644
don't don't give me a bunch of baloney,

626
00:22:35,644 --> 00:22:38,065
you know? Yeah. And I think it was

627
00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:39,450
in the little things that you did as

628
00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:42,089
a coach that really established that, that unity.

629
00:22:42,089 --> 00:22:44,409
Right? Well, you know what? You start with

630
00:22:44,409 --> 00:22:45,929
the small things. We didn't have a lot

631
00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:47,929
of rules, for instance. We had we had

632
00:22:47,929 --> 00:22:50,409
simple rules like, be on time. We can't

633
00:22:50,409 --> 00:22:52,509
play without you, so you gotta be here.

634
00:22:52,649 --> 00:22:55,555
Alright? We wanna do to dress properly, be

635
00:22:55,555 --> 00:22:57,955
ready to play. I had a one time,

636
00:22:57,955 --> 00:22:59,634
a visiting player came in. He said, I

637
00:22:59,634 --> 00:23:00,535
heard the jazz

638
00:23:00,835 --> 00:23:03,015
that every practice is like a game.

639
00:23:03,634 --> 00:23:06,195
Shirts tucked in, socks pulled up. I said,

640
00:23:06,195 --> 00:23:08,579
hey. We don't stop paying you because we

641
00:23:08,579 --> 00:23:10,039
don't have a game today.

642
00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:12,200
We pay you every day.

643
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,819
And so that's what I expect. You come

644
00:23:14,819 --> 00:23:16,980
to work, you know, just like like a

645
00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:19,140
plumber. He brings his toolbox with him. You're

646
00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:20,819
ready to go to work. I'm only gonna

647
00:23:20,819 --> 00:23:23,044
take a couple hours of your time. And

648
00:23:23,044 --> 00:23:24,804
so, you know, isn't it funny that if

649
00:23:24,804 --> 00:23:26,565
we pick the best college coach in the

650
00:23:26,565 --> 00:23:28,325
country, I think it would be fair to

651
00:23:28,325 --> 00:23:30,565
say most people would say coach k Yeah.

652
00:23:30,724 --> 00:23:32,325
At Duke is the best college coach. And

653
00:23:32,325 --> 00:23:34,164
maybe he isn't, but he certainly is gonna

654
00:23:34,164 --> 00:23:36,105
be right up there with all his success.

655
00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:38,410
And then we pick the best coach in

656
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:40,789
in, and the pros, and we pray we'd

657
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:43,349
probably say it's Popovich. Isn't it funny that

658
00:23:43,349 --> 00:23:45,849
they're both products of military institutions?

659
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:49,269
You know, Popovich graduated from the the Air

660
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:50,170
Force Academy,

661
00:23:50,515 --> 00:23:52,934
and, and, of course, coach k went to

662
00:23:52,994 --> 00:23:55,154
West Point. Yeah. So there's, like, those those

663
00:23:55,154 --> 00:23:57,095
roots of leadership. Yeah. Leadership. Discipline.

664
00:23:58,035 --> 00:24:00,134
You can't you can't lead

665
00:24:00,595 --> 00:24:03,714
unless you get you have authority. Authority comes

666
00:24:03,714 --> 00:24:04,535
from above.

667
00:24:05,089 --> 00:24:06,950
Okay? Who were the best lieutenants?

668
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:10,950
Those who worked and, say, under general MacArthur

669
00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:12,390
and general Eisenhower.

670
00:24:12,769 --> 00:24:14,710
That's why so many of their cadre

671
00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:17,714
became generals later on. You know? So you

672
00:24:17,714 --> 00:24:19,335
gotta have you gotta have authority,

673
00:24:19,634 --> 00:24:22,355
and, you've gotta have discipline. Yeah. And and

674
00:24:22,355 --> 00:24:25,315
and a school teacher cannot survive without the

675
00:24:25,315 --> 00:24:27,315
the principal and the school board and everybody

676
00:24:27,315 --> 00:24:29,555
supporting them. Otherwise, the parents would eat them

677
00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:31,875
alive. And the parents are the outsiders. They're

678
00:24:31,875 --> 00:24:34,160
the amateurs. They don't know anything about what's

679
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,799
going on unless they've been teachers themselves. So,

680
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,119
yeah, you've gotta have discipline, and you gotta

681
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:41,779
I was very fortunate that all the coaching

682
00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:44,320
places I was, I had that kind of

683
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:44,820
authority.

684
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,625
People supported me, and, you know, it, it

685
00:24:48,625 --> 00:24:50,244
it helps. If you don't have

686
00:24:50,545 --> 00:24:52,705
it, the players smell it, they realize it,

687
00:24:52,705 --> 00:24:54,785
and you don't stand a chance. You you

688
00:24:54,785 --> 00:24:57,744
know, you can start getting your, retirement papers

689
00:24:57,744 --> 00:24:58,799
out. So

690
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:00,720
what did you do if there was a

691
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,240
player? How did you approach it if they

692
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,519
weren't really embracing that discipline culture that that

693
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:07,680
you're establishing? Sit them down. Get rid of

694
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,680
them. Yeah. I can't. I'm not running boys

695
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,799
down. Mhmm. I don't wanna I don't wanna

696
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,015
affect the whole team. Alright, in order to

697
00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:16,515
save

698
00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:18,734
one one person. You know what I mean?

699
00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:20,674
I could make all my all my efforts,

700
00:25:20,974 --> 00:25:22,894
you know. And and I think it's interesting,

701
00:25:22,894 --> 00:25:24,974
isn't it, that we see now that players

702
00:25:24,974 --> 00:25:27,539
who are making millions of dollars want more,

703
00:25:27,619 --> 00:25:29,460
and they're holding out and they're this and

704
00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:31,940
that. You've gotta move on. Alright? And you

705
00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:35,080
cannot let let one player drag you down.

706
00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:36,359
You know? And,

707
00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:37,779
my idea is that,

708
00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:41,000
you're you're only as strong as your weakest

709
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,605
link, and, you know, you have somebody who's

710
00:25:43,605 --> 00:25:46,005
who's killing your locker room, who's gonna be

711
00:25:46,005 --> 00:25:48,005
talking behind your back and everything else. I'll

712
00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:49,924
give you an example. We had a we

713
00:25:49,924 --> 00:25:50,565
had a,

714
00:25:51,205 --> 00:25:53,605
you know, throw Bailey, alright, out of the

715
00:25:53,605 --> 00:25:55,684
great North Carolina, and played for a very

716
00:25:55,684 --> 00:25:56,985
good coach, Jimmy Vavano.

717
00:25:57,390 --> 00:26:00,130
And, you know, we were we were practicing.

718
00:26:00,269 --> 00:26:02,930
We were having preseason down at Dixie College,

719
00:26:03,150 --> 00:26:05,470
and we were at the the the first

720
00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:08,269
day of practice. And in those days, unlike

721
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:10,589
now, you know, you have about eighteen, nineteen

722
00:26:10,589 --> 00:26:12,634
guys. You know, some are trying to make

723
00:26:12,634 --> 00:26:15,115
the team along with your squad and whatever.

724
00:26:15,115 --> 00:26:17,674
Yeah. They're working out. Well, anyway, after the

725
00:26:17,674 --> 00:26:18,575
morning session,

726
00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,154
we were we were,

727
00:26:20,795 --> 00:26:22,234
meeting out in the middle of the floor,

728
00:26:22,234 --> 00:26:24,474
and I usually kept everybody in front of

729
00:26:24,474 --> 00:26:26,069
me. I learned that in the army. Don't

730
00:26:26,069 --> 00:26:28,069
let people surround you. But this day, I

731
00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:30,409
don't know, somehow some players got behind me.

732
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:32,750
And, and, all of a sudden, I heard

733
00:26:32,869 --> 00:26:35,289
while I was talking, I heard, shut up.

734
00:26:35,589 --> 00:26:37,690
The man's trying to teach us to win.

735
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:39,909
I turned around, and there's Thoreau Belly. He's

736
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:41,804
yelling at a couple of rookies. He said

737
00:26:41,804 --> 00:26:43,804
these two rookies, they're talking to each other

738
00:26:43,804 --> 00:26:45,804
about where they're gonna go for lunch in

739
00:26:45,804 --> 00:26:49,244
between the the the the double sessions. And

740
00:26:49,244 --> 00:26:50,764
he so I said, oh, we're gonna have

741
00:26:50,764 --> 00:26:53,085
a good team this year. Nice. Yeah. Because

742
00:26:53,085 --> 00:26:54,900
I said he got it. Yeah. That leadership

743
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,380
was being your leadership is being duplicated. Everybody

744
00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:57,880
because

745
00:26:58,259 --> 00:27:00,420
it resonated to all the players, even though

746
00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:02,580
he was yelling at two rookies, everyone in

747
00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:04,359
the line or, you know,

748
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:06,500
see see you in the weight room up

749
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:08,019
at up at one time, up in the

750
00:27:08,019 --> 00:27:09,914
weight room, up at Westminster where we used

751
00:27:09,914 --> 00:27:11,515
to practice. And we had put a weight

752
00:27:11,515 --> 00:27:13,355
room in there, and Karl Malone was in

753
00:27:13,355 --> 00:27:15,755
there. Team was working weights and everything. And

754
00:27:15,755 --> 00:27:16,795
a couple of guys got up and they

755
00:27:16,795 --> 00:27:18,634
start working. All of a sudden, they hear,

756
00:27:18,634 --> 00:27:21,914
hey. And it's Karl Malone. Get back. You're

757
00:27:21,914 --> 00:27:23,039
not done yet.

758
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:25,440
You'll be done when I'm done. And the

759
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,740
guys go, yes, sir.

760
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,960
And they go back and sit down. Yeah.

761
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,519
You know, that's that's you know, first of

762
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,259
all, those guys can do that because they

763
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,820
already are on the team. They are already

764
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,264
established and what have you. Sometimes,

765
00:27:39,565 --> 00:27:41,505
the players will look at a coach who

766
00:27:41,644 --> 00:27:44,125
maybe has had losing seasons or is is

767
00:27:44,125 --> 00:27:45,184
on the ropes himself,

768
00:27:45,484 --> 00:27:47,804
and they will recognize that. So, you know,

769
00:27:47,804 --> 00:27:49,164
you have to have you have to have

770
00:27:49,164 --> 00:27:51,404
support, and you've got to have belief in

771
00:27:51,404 --> 00:27:53,960
yourself. I never worried about being fired, and

772
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,640
I never and I used to say to

773
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,519
players, don't talk to me about coaching because

774
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,519
I'm the coach. I'm the father here. You

775
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:01,419
don't know anything.

776
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,119
You know? I know everything, and that's that's

777
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,799
that's the end of that. You know? Yeah.

778
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:07,954
I mean, now they have 11 coaches. I

779
00:28:07,954 --> 00:28:10,674
need 11 coaches. I need to teach a

780
00:28:10,674 --> 00:28:11,494
guy to shoot.

781
00:28:12,115 --> 00:28:13,634
I know everything there is to know about

782
00:28:13,634 --> 00:28:15,634
shooting. Yeah. And I'm not gonna put it

783
00:28:15,634 --> 00:28:17,315
into the hands of someone else to teach

784
00:28:17,315 --> 00:28:19,075
you how to shoot. I'm gonna work with

785
00:28:19,075 --> 00:28:21,394
you. Yeah. So, you know, that's important too.

786
00:28:21,394 --> 00:28:24,089
So you got to have besides a loud

787
00:28:24,089 --> 00:28:26,329
mouth, you've gotta have skills yourself. Yeah. The

788
00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:28,569
players have to believe you're right. I thought

789
00:28:28,569 --> 00:28:30,990
Rich Kelly, a player who went to Stanford,

790
00:28:31,049 --> 00:28:33,150
was a was a brilliant student and everything.

791
00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:35,369
And Rich Kelly said, one time when a

792
00:28:35,369 --> 00:28:38,065
reporter asked him, what is the difference in

793
00:28:38,065 --> 00:28:39,825
other coaches you've had? Because he had played

794
00:28:39,825 --> 00:28:41,664
in a couple of teams. He says, Frank

795
00:28:41,664 --> 00:28:42,484
is an alchemist.

796
00:28:42,785 --> 00:28:44,805
He says he he's able to blend

797
00:28:45,265 --> 00:28:48,144
things together. You've gotta know who's the strongest.

798
00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:50,545
You could Vince Lombardi knew it. He knew

799
00:28:50,545 --> 00:28:53,129
that Bart Starr, who had Bart Starr lost,

800
00:28:53,129 --> 00:28:55,149
I think, 10 games in the senior season.

801
00:28:55,369 --> 00:28:57,529
You know? And he he sometimes Bart Starr

802
00:28:57,529 --> 00:29:00,490
had confidence problems. So he knew he'd put

803
00:29:00,490 --> 00:29:02,970
a arm around him. Now Hornig, on the

804
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:05,304
other hand, you know, was a kicker and

805
00:29:05,304 --> 00:29:07,544
a fullback and a tough guy and a,

806
00:29:07,544 --> 00:29:10,024
you know, and everything else. He he needed

807
00:29:10,024 --> 00:29:11,544
a kick in the butt. So you gotta

808
00:29:11,544 --> 00:29:12,904
know who to kick in the butt and

809
00:29:12,904 --> 00:29:15,544
who to hug. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes some people

810
00:29:15,544 --> 00:29:17,464
need a hug. Others need a need a

811
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,829
kick. And, you know, that that's the way

812
00:29:19,829 --> 00:29:21,750
that some some players come in there, and

813
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:23,750
all they think about is failing. And you

814
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:26,309
have to think about athletes who some their

815
00:29:26,309 --> 00:29:27,130
whole lives,

816
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:29,670
they're thinking about, I've gotta make it. I've

817
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:30,950
gotta make it. If I don't make it

818
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:32,710
here, what am I gonna do? You know,

819
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:35,375
we haven't educated them. I find a lot

820
00:29:35,375 --> 00:29:37,855
of fault in in schools who who let

821
00:29:37,855 --> 00:29:40,654
let athletes slide. We have to be tougher

822
00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:42,414
on them. Alright? That's why I used to

823
00:29:42,414 --> 00:29:43,615
give them a bonus to go back and

824
00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:45,315
finish school, get your degree.

825
00:29:45,615 --> 00:29:47,934
Makes you one step above a lot of

826
00:29:47,934 --> 00:29:50,450
people by doing that. Mhmm. You know, that

827
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:52,210
you show that, hey. I didn't just go

828
00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:53,410
to college. I graduated

829
00:29:53,809 --> 00:29:56,369
Yeah. From college. And and so, you know,

830
00:29:56,369 --> 00:29:57,809
you have to you have to do that.

831
00:29:57,809 --> 00:29:59,809
And and because, you know, the kids are

832
00:29:59,809 --> 00:30:02,054
afraid. I don't care who they are. Even

833
00:30:02,054 --> 00:30:03,855
a guy that's traded or a guy that's

834
00:30:03,855 --> 00:30:05,774
picked up in the draft, you know, they

835
00:30:05,774 --> 00:30:06,274
always

836
00:30:06,734 --> 00:30:08,815
they always worry about, you know, oh, change

837
00:30:08,815 --> 00:30:11,294
in teams, the new the new neighborhood I'm

838
00:30:11,294 --> 00:30:13,375
going to, the new the new coaching staff,

839
00:30:13,375 --> 00:30:15,234
what are they gonna think, and new teammates.

840
00:30:15,294 --> 00:30:17,640
And you always hear players say, this is

841
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,039
my team. So don't tell me that. There's

842
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,599
no team we never and Jerry didn't allow

843
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:24,519
it either. We never allowed teams to have

844
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:25,339
team meetings.

845
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,720
We're on that team too. Mhmm. You know?

846
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,559
And you're not smart enough to hold team

847
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:31,595
meetings, you know, any more than I would

848
00:30:31,595 --> 00:30:33,774
have in the army. Let my my company

849
00:30:33,994 --> 00:30:36,474
have a have a meeting without me there.

850
00:30:36,474 --> 00:30:38,315
Yeah. You know, because I'm going to be

851
00:30:38,315 --> 00:30:40,474
out front when we hit the hit the

852
00:30:40,474 --> 00:30:42,234
pay deck, you know? Being very clear on

853
00:30:42,234 --> 00:30:43,914
who the leader is. Well, yes. I mean,

854
00:30:43,914 --> 00:30:45,450
that's why sometimes you had to tell them.

855
00:30:45,609 --> 00:30:48,109
That's why they were bars and stuff. Stars,

856
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:50,970
you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So was it

857
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:53,849
difficult times to know which which, players needed

858
00:30:53,849 --> 00:30:55,289
a hug and which ones needed a kick

859
00:30:55,289 --> 00:30:57,529
in the pants? Out pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah.

860
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:59,535
I would very often you know, suddenly I

861
00:30:59,535 --> 00:31:01,215
look around the locker room, and I just

862
00:31:01,215 --> 00:31:03,535
see somebody read their body language or their

863
00:31:03,535 --> 00:31:04,035
face,

864
00:31:04,335 --> 00:31:06,494
and then they say, well, what's the problem?

865
00:31:06,494 --> 00:31:08,195
You know? I had one time,

866
00:31:08,975 --> 00:31:11,215
it was Mark Eden, and he was I

867
00:31:11,215 --> 00:31:12,975
knew he was down the dumps or something.

868
00:31:12,975 --> 00:31:15,179
He usually wasn't that way. You know? In

869
00:31:15,179 --> 00:31:17,819
fact, you know, surprising the captains of our

870
00:31:17,819 --> 00:31:20,299
team would be in those days. Thoreau Bailey

871
00:31:20,299 --> 00:31:22,380
and Marquis Marquis. You know? He was not

872
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:24,139
best player. He was a great player, but

873
00:31:24,139 --> 00:31:26,059
not our our best player. And he was

874
00:31:26,059 --> 00:31:27,659
the captain of the team, and and his

875
00:31:27,659 --> 00:31:30,139
leadership qualities now, he goes out and speaks.

876
00:31:30,139 --> 00:31:32,434
He's a he's a does a great job

877
00:31:32,434 --> 00:31:33,494
of, leadership

878
00:31:33,795 --> 00:31:36,355
conferences and stuff. But, anyway, he was I

879
00:31:36,355 --> 00:31:38,755
said, what's what's wrong, Mark? He says, well,

880
00:31:38,755 --> 00:31:40,355
I I don't know how I can approach

881
00:31:40,355 --> 00:31:42,695
this with you, he said. But next Saturday,

882
00:31:43,315 --> 00:31:45,730
he said, my sister's getting married, and I

883
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:47,809
was I was wondering if I could get

884
00:31:47,809 --> 00:31:49,409
get a day off. Well, we had a

885
00:31:49,409 --> 00:31:51,809
game that day. Oh, wow. So I said,

886
00:31:51,809 --> 00:31:53,409
well, I said, Mark, I'll tell you how

887
00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:55,329
I feel about that. You should be at

888
00:31:55,329 --> 00:31:57,250
your sister's wedding. We got a lot of

889
00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:57,750
games.

890
00:31:58,125 --> 00:31:59,805
You know? Yeah. That's what I felt. Yeah.

891
00:31:59,805 --> 00:32:03,005
Later on, I had, run-in with, another player

892
00:32:03,005 --> 00:32:04,765
who said he needed a day off, and

893
00:32:04,765 --> 00:32:06,445
he was gonna go he was gonna pick

894
00:32:06,445 --> 00:32:08,365
up his Rolls Royce. And he said, I

895
00:32:08,365 --> 00:32:09,805
need a day off to go pick up

896
00:32:09,805 --> 00:32:11,789
my Rolls Royce. So he said, you let

897
00:32:11,789 --> 00:32:13,710
Mark Eaton have off. I said, Mark Eaton's

898
00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:15,169
sister was getting married.

899
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:17,390
You're gonna pick up a Royals Royce. I

900
00:32:17,390 --> 00:32:19,630
says, you better have your rear end on

901
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:21,549
the bus ready to go. Yeah. I mean,

902
00:32:21,549 --> 00:32:23,869
you know, you you find out. I used

903
00:32:23,869 --> 00:32:25,890
to do a pretty good job of reading,

904
00:32:26,284 --> 00:32:27,644
you know, and and you know what you

905
00:32:27,644 --> 00:32:29,644
have to worry about sometimes? How about the

906
00:32:29,644 --> 00:32:32,684
player who knows he's being paid for his

907
00:32:32,684 --> 00:32:33,904
production numbers,

908
00:32:34,204 --> 00:32:36,524
you know? And so he has a bad

909
00:32:36,524 --> 00:32:38,365
day, but the team wins and he's not

910
00:32:38,365 --> 00:32:41,460
happy. Yeah. Or you lose And he had

911
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:43,140
a great day and he can't get the

912
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:45,539
smile off his face. You know, you have

913
00:32:45,539 --> 00:32:47,700
to slap that guy. You have to get

914
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,220
after him. You know, you have to tell

915
00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:50,660
him when you lose, we all lose. When

916
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:52,419
we all win, you win. We all win.

917
00:32:52,419 --> 00:32:55,160
Yeah. And it's not. And also,

918
00:32:55,734 --> 00:32:57,974
Jerry knew this very well, is that,

919
00:32:58,454 --> 00:33:01,255
winning is not a sometimes thing. Vince Lombardi

920
00:33:01,255 --> 00:33:02,855
said, you know, you don't start. All of

921
00:33:02,855 --> 00:33:04,375
a sudden, we're gonna turn it on day

922
00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:06,375
one. No. You start it on you start

923
00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:07,914
it the first day of practice,

924
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,799
and and, we wanna win at every I

925
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,680
mean, everything we do. Yeah. And, I wanna

926
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,740
get the pretty girl.

927
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,880
I wanna get the seat on the bus.

928
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,880
I wanna get the, you know, the extra

929
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,880
piece of pie. I mean, that Yes. That

930
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,619
was my,

931
00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,205
my demeanor. And that's how I got brought

932
00:33:24,205 --> 00:33:26,045
up, you know? Yeah. It sounds like a

933
00:33:26,045 --> 00:33:27,644
lot of your players, obviously, there's a one

934
00:33:27,644 --> 00:33:29,964
to one relationship and connection there. What did

935
00:33:29,964 --> 00:33:31,805
you approach that in a more formal way

936
00:33:31,805 --> 00:33:33,884
where you'd have formal one to one meetings

937
00:33:33,884 --> 00:33:35,984
or, you know, the authority figure?

938
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:39,829
I don't believe in, I thought the players

939
00:33:39,829 --> 00:33:41,049
should call me coach.

940
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:43,910
You know? I didn't care if they said

941
00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:46,630
to the press, Frank did this, or their

942
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:48,549
mother or their father or their wife or

943
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:50,970
whatever it is. But when addressing me,

944
00:33:51,315 --> 00:33:53,154
I earned that position. I I mean, to

945
00:33:53,154 --> 00:33:55,875
me, coach was like doctor. Mhmm. You know?

946
00:33:55,875 --> 00:33:58,274
And and and like I said before, my

947
00:33:58,274 --> 00:33:58,774
own

948
00:33:59,075 --> 00:34:00,914
high school coach, I still call him mister

949
00:34:00,914 --> 00:34:01,414
Drucker.

950
00:34:01,794 --> 00:34:04,930
My my college coach, mister Gallagher. So coach

951
00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:07,730
Gallagher. So, you know, that was about as

952
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:09,890
formal as it ever got on that. They

953
00:34:09,890 --> 00:34:11,570
would always say, coach Layton, can I see

954
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:13,570
you? Even, you know, someone picks up the

955
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:15,969
phone. Coach Layton, is that you? So I

956
00:34:16,289 --> 00:34:18,614
but as far as sitting down to talk,

957
00:34:18,695 --> 00:34:20,855
I wanted the players to say, I have

958
00:34:20,855 --> 00:34:23,514
an open door. You're welcome to come in,

959
00:34:23,735 --> 00:34:26,315
but I'm not I'm not a priest.

960
00:34:26,855 --> 00:34:28,934
I don't wanna hear any crying. I don't

961
00:34:28,934 --> 00:34:31,679
wanna hear any confessions or anything else. I

962
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,400
said, you gotta have something that I can

963
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,119
help solve for you. You know? Otherwise, you

964
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:38,800
gotta do it yourself because you're now a

965
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,579
man. You're over 21.

966
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,000
And I said, now if you're you're if

967
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,599
you're in a jam or you need help

968
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,855
or something, then, yes, then we can we

969
00:34:45,855 --> 00:34:46,894
can do it. You know, if you gotta

970
00:34:46,894 --> 00:34:48,574
go to your sister's wedding or whatever it

971
00:34:48,574 --> 00:34:50,414
is, you you know, you need to borrow

972
00:34:50,414 --> 00:34:52,014
something. I I you know, there's all sorts

973
00:34:52,014 --> 00:34:53,855
of ways of helping out. You know, I

974
00:34:53,855 --> 00:34:55,614
had players come to me and say, you

975
00:34:55,614 --> 00:34:57,695
know, I'm having trouble with my wife. We

976
00:34:57,695 --> 00:34:59,609
may get divorced, stuff like that. Then you

977
00:34:59,609 --> 00:35:01,630
should talk to to to Reverend,

978
00:35:02,009 --> 00:35:03,630
Davis. Yeah. You know,

979
00:35:03,929 --> 00:35:07,150
whatever, Father O'Connor, whatever it is. And and

980
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:09,369
I said, they're they're better equipped to handle

981
00:35:09,369 --> 00:35:11,929
that. But I wanted them to feel comfortable

982
00:35:11,929 --> 00:35:13,215
with coming into me

983
00:35:13,535 --> 00:35:15,535
and and saying, you know, I got a

984
00:35:15,535 --> 00:35:17,375
girl pregnant or whatever it is. You know?

985
00:35:17,375 --> 00:35:19,795
And I'm I'm in a jam here. Alright.

986
00:35:19,934 --> 00:35:21,934
You know, calm down. It seems like a

987
00:35:21,934 --> 00:35:24,494
jam now, but couple of weeks, it'll it'll

988
00:35:24,494 --> 00:35:26,260
be we'll we'll work on it or, you

989
00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:28,340
know, also car accidents, whatever it is. You

990
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:31,380
know? What the younger you are, sometimes these

991
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:33,079
things seem like great tragedies

992
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:34,599
that are insurmountable.

993
00:35:35,059 --> 00:35:36,500
You know? And yet,

994
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:39,700
you're the authority figure. You have the cards

995
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:41,454
in your hand, so you can you can

996
00:35:41,454 --> 00:35:43,554
figure it out. And when you do this,

997
00:35:43,855 --> 00:35:45,155
the loyalty bills

998
00:35:45,695 --> 00:35:47,315
and the responsibility

999
00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:50,014
to you. I always felt it shouldn't be

1000
00:35:50,014 --> 00:35:51,695
a one way street, and it shouldn't be

1001
00:35:51,695 --> 00:35:54,494
about just money. Anybody can throw money at

1002
00:35:54,494 --> 00:35:57,090
them, but I'm going to I'm gonna

1003
00:35:57,630 --> 00:35:59,550
have you feel that you wanna be on

1004
00:35:59,550 --> 00:36:01,869
this team because you like being part of

1005
00:36:01,869 --> 00:36:04,590
this family. And that's what happened that the

1006
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:06,429
people wanted to play for the Jazz. That's

1007
00:36:06,429 --> 00:36:08,474
why so many of our players were here

1008
00:36:08,474 --> 00:36:10,155
for so long and played for their whole

1009
00:36:10,155 --> 00:36:12,715
careers. Yeah. Because this was a nice place

1010
00:36:12,715 --> 00:36:14,474
to play. It was easy to get to,

1011
00:36:14,474 --> 00:36:16,315
and we listened to them. I used to

1012
00:36:16,315 --> 00:36:18,575
have not only the captains of the team,

1013
00:36:18,715 --> 00:36:21,215
which was the captains dealt with the players,

1014
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:23,530
But I also had an executive committee. I

1015
00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:24,589
I had two players

1016
00:36:24,889 --> 00:36:26,809
who were older players. For instance, I had

1017
00:36:26,809 --> 00:36:27,630
Billy Paulson,

1018
00:36:27,929 --> 00:36:30,329
Rich Kelly, two older veteran players with ten

1019
00:36:30,329 --> 00:36:32,570
years experience who would come to me with

1020
00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:33,949
with inner problems.

1021
00:36:34,385 --> 00:36:36,545
For instance, we had a player who couldn't

1022
00:36:36,545 --> 00:36:38,864
read, and I had a book club. And

1023
00:36:38,864 --> 00:36:40,224
he used to get the books and he

1024
00:36:40,224 --> 00:36:42,065
couldn't read and everything. So so I said,

1025
00:36:42,065 --> 00:36:44,144
well, let me let me talk to him.

1026
00:36:44,144 --> 00:36:45,664
And this is sad because he had a

1027
00:36:45,664 --> 00:36:47,925
degree from college. I won't say what college.

1028
00:36:47,984 --> 00:36:50,599
They pushed him through. He couldn't read. You

1029
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,519
know? Well, anyway, I got I got somebody

1030
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:53,420
up at the university

1031
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,119
and a woman, a teacher up there, and

1032
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:57,880
she worked with him. And she said he

1033
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,480
could read, but he forgot he could read.

1034
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,760
He learned to read when he was a

1035
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,324
kid in Brooklyn, you know? Oh, wow.

1036
00:37:02,804 --> 00:37:05,844
You know, and, an African American kid was

1037
00:37:05,844 --> 00:37:06,744
poor and everything.

1038
00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:09,605
And, and he ended up being able to

1039
00:37:09,605 --> 00:37:11,525
read. But he used to carry a book

1040
00:37:11,525 --> 00:37:13,525
around with him and everything. And but he

1041
00:37:13,525 --> 00:37:15,130
he couldn't read it. But he was trying

1042
00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:16,489
to fool me because we had a little

1043
00:37:16,489 --> 00:37:18,250
book club that we used to say on

1044
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:19,609
the on the plane. I used to say

1045
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:21,409
to players, I wanna see you guys reading,

1046
00:37:21,409 --> 00:37:23,289
you know, and just sleeping all the time

1047
00:37:23,289 --> 00:37:25,210
and everything. And then we'd meet and discuss

1048
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:27,369
Stephen King. We'd try to pick out books

1049
00:37:27,369 --> 00:37:30,109
that they'd be excited about and everything, bestsellers.

1050
00:37:30,675 --> 00:37:33,635
And, so, anyway, we try to reach out

1051
00:37:33,635 --> 00:37:35,795
to have them not be embarrassed to come

1052
00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:36,454
to me

1053
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:39,954
with, with even the most, delicate of problems

1054
00:37:39,954 --> 00:37:42,114
that they had. It's difficult to say to

1055
00:37:42,114 --> 00:37:45,090
somebody, I can't read. Yeah. And and I'm

1056
00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:46,849
the one person that can help them. Yeah.

1057
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:48,050
I said, oh, we can take care of

1058
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:49,970
that. Right. Reading's easy, I said. And it's

1059
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:51,970
easier when you're older to learn, I said,

1060
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:53,490
than you are when you were a kid.

1061
00:37:53,490 --> 00:37:55,650
Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, believe it

1062
00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:57,490
or not, I went so far as to

1063
00:37:57,490 --> 00:38:00,344
have people teach them to write. Wow. You

1064
00:38:00,344 --> 00:38:02,764
know, and a lot of the kids,

1065
00:38:03,144 --> 00:38:04,605
they had had some printing

1066
00:38:04,905 --> 00:38:07,625
experience, but they couldn't they couldn't really they

1067
00:38:07,625 --> 00:38:10,744
couldn't express themselves on paper, let alone, you

1068
00:38:10,744 --> 00:38:12,369
know. It became a team effort to help

1069
00:38:12,369 --> 00:38:14,690
that player. Spelling, spelling, writing. I mean, it

1070
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:16,929
seems crazy. But you know what? Aren't these

1071
00:38:16,929 --> 00:38:19,329
things that happen in families? Yeah. I don't

1072
00:38:19,329 --> 00:38:20,710
have the answers to everything,

1073
00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:22,230
but I try to

1074
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:24,550
get them to feel good about themselves.

1075
00:38:24,929 --> 00:38:26,849
And that went with, for instance, how to

1076
00:38:26,849 --> 00:38:27,349
dress.

1077
00:38:27,655 --> 00:38:30,375
You know? When the Jazz traveled, I had

1078
00:38:30,375 --> 00:38:32,075
an experience here. It was interesting.

1079
00:38:32,454 --> 00:38:33,195
When the

1080
00:38:33,735 --> 00:38:36,155
soccer team first played, they played

1081
00:38:36,535 --> 00:38:38,555
the Real Madrid was the world championship

1082
00:38:38,855 --> 00:38:41,019
soccer team, and they had the the great

1083
00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:42,380
player. I can't think of his name now.

1084
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:44,380
He married the one of the Beckham. Right?

1085
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:46,380
Beckham, he married one of the spices or

1086
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:48,059
something like that. Well, anyway, we had a

1087
00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:50,059
party for him up at the Governor's House,

1088
00:38:50,059 --> 00:38:52,059
and I was invited to go. And I

1089
00:38:52,059 --> 00:38:54,400
was talking to their manager, to their coach,

1090
00:38:54,644 --> 00:38:56,265
and, everything. And he,

1091
00:38:56,804 --> 00:38:58,164
he said to me, I said, you know

1092
00:38:58,164 --> 00:39:00,244
what? I was impressed when you guys got

1093
00:39:00,244 --> 00:39:02,244
off the bus. I said I was I

1094
00:39:02,244 --> 00:39:04,324
was impressed at how you all were dressed

1095
00:39:04,324 --> 00:39:04,824
alike

1096
00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:07,304
and how dressed up you were and everything.

1097
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:10,090
He said, we are the New York Yankees.

1098
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:12,630
Wow. He says, that's how we are. Yeah.

1099
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:14,390
That's how we travel. Yeah. And that's how

1100
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:15,829
we were. I didn't want I said, we

1101
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:17,750
go to the airport. You'll go and see

1102
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:19,764
some pro teams, and the guys will, you

1103
00:39:19,764 --> 00:39:22,164
know, be dressed sloppy and stuff like that.

1104
00:39:22,164 --> 00:39:23,684
I said, when we go and people say,

1105
00:39:23,684 --> 00:39:24,664
that's the jazz.

1106
00:39:24,965 --> 00:39:26,565
I said, I don't I don't need I

1107
00:39:26,565 --> 00:39:27,764
don't have to have a shirt and tie

1108
00:39:27,764 --> 00:39:29,605
on all the time, but you should be

1109
00:39:29,605 --> 00:39:31,684
dressed. You should be dressed because you are

1110
00:39:31,684 --> 00:39:33,925
a professional. Yeah. You know? And,

1111
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:37,557
so, you know, as lessons that maybe some

1112
00:39:37,557 --> 00:39:40,690
people were afraid to tell them to. Yeah.

1113
00:39:40,690 --> 00:39:42,289
Yeah. So To be honest with them. As

1114
00:39:42,289 --> 00:39:44,130
far as those one to one interactions, you

1115
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:46,369
know, you expressed how your office is always

1116
00:39:46,369 --> 00:39:48,654
open for anything else that helped them feel

1117
00:39:48,654 --> 00:39:51,315
more comfortable coming to you with some difficult,

1118
00:39:51,614 --> 00:39:52,114
problems.

1119
00:39:52,654 --> 00:39:55,614
Yeah. By paying them respect, I I tried

1120
00:39:55,775 --> 00:39:57,714
I never find a play of money.

1121
00:39:58,014 --> 00:40:00,094
I never took money from people. To me,

1122
00:40:00,094 --> 00:40:02,800
that's the biggest disrespect you can ever be,

1123
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,400
oh, we're gonna fine this guy a thousand

1124
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,579
dollars or a $100, whatever it is. Alright?

1125
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,059
And the other thing is to treat them

1126
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:11,599
treat them like men. I used to say,

1127
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,159
I'm gonna treat you like a man until

1128
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:15,699
you prove to me you're not.

1129
00:40:16,265 --> 00:40:17,545
You know? I said, I'd do it the

1130
00:40:17,545 --> 00:40:19,785
old marine way. You know, guys were late

1131
00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:21,305
for practice. What I used to do, I

1132
00:40:21,305 --> 00:40:23,224
know it was very effective, and you can

1133
00:40:23,224 --> 00:40:25,465
do this with your children too, is that

1134
00:40:25,465 --> 00:40:27,305
I didn't punish the guy who was late.

1135
00:40:27,305 --> 00:40:28,920
I punished everybody else.

1136
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,159
So at the end of practice, when the

1137
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,000
guy was late for practice, I'd say, stand

1138
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,079
on the side. Everybody else on the lines

1139
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:36,139
would run suicides

1140
00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:39,079
and keep running the suicides. Now he he

1141
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:40,440
was the one that was late, and he's

1142
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,119
not running them. Yeah. But the team is

1143
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:43,260
because in reality,

1144
00:40:44,054 --> 00:40:46,214
he's punishing the team. Yeah. Doesn't wanna let

1145
00:40:46,214 --> 00:40:48,295
the team down. Yeah. And see, he so,

1146
00:40:48,295 --> 00:40:51,414
anyway, they learn. And so what then that's

1147
00:40:51,414 --> 00:40:53,014
taken care of in the locker room. The

1148
00:40:53,014 --> 00:40:55,434
players will say, hey. Never be late again.

1149
00:40:55,655 --> 00:40:57,889
Yeah. I'm not running lines for you, man.

1150
00:40:57,889 --> 00:41:00,449
You know? And, you know, I always try

1151
00:41:00,449 --> 00:41:03,190
to say, hey, I'll give you another chance,

1152
00:41:03,329 --> 00:41:05,969
but don't wear my patience out because like

1153
00:41:05,969 --> 00:41:08,224
I said before, this isn't Boys Town. And

1154
00:41:08,224 --> 00:41:10,144
we're not trying to save you one one

1155
00:41:10,144 --> 00:41:12,405
one person at a time. Yeah. But,

1156
00:41:12,784 --> 00:41:14,945
yeah, I think I think treating the players

1157
00:41:14,945 --> 00:41:15,765
with respect

1158
00:41:16,144 --> 00:41:18,804
and listening to their listening to them sometimes

1159
00:41:19,265 --> 00:41:21,960
is just enough. And and trying to teach

1160
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,140
them to don't be afraid to come in

1161
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,599
and share, and whatever it is isn't gonna

1162
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,320
affect your standard on the team. Yeah. I

1163
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,679
said, you know, I'm not gonna put up

1164
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,000
with certain things. You know? For instance, I

1165
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,635
say, when you take drugs,

1166
00:41:35,095 --> 00:41:36,855
I will get all you all the help

1167
00:41:36,855 --> 00:41:38,615
in the world, but I'm not gonna have

1168
00:41:38,615 --> 00:41:40,375
you on my team. Not while you're using

1169
00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:42,775
drugs. Not now. You know? We knew for

1170
00:41:42,775 --> 00:41:44,934
years, players were using steroids.

1171
00:41:45,335 --> 00:41:46,535
It was new. All of a sudden in

1172
00:41:46,535 --> 00:41:48,295
baseball, they're saying, oh, these guys are hitting

1173
00:41:48,295 --> 00:41:50,829
homers. Well, weren't you a little suspicious when

1174
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:53,070
you saw the guy over one summer come

1175
00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:54,449
back twenty five pounds

1176
00:41:54,909 --> 00:41:57,550
bigger and stronger and muscles and everything else?

1177
00:41:57,550 --> 00:41:59,070
So what I tried to do was,

1178
00:41:59,789 --> 00:42:01,730
was, treat them with respect

1179
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:05,335
unless they abuse that. And abuse would be

1180
00:42:05,335 --> 00:42:06,635
by, like I say,

1181
00:42:06,934 --> 00:42:09,595
you know, drug usage or continuing drug usage.

1182
00:42:10,135 --> 00:42:11,035
John's John,

1183
00:42:12,135 --> 00:42:15,195
what's his name? Up here. John drew Drew.

1184
00:42:15,255 --> 00:42:17,130
You know? I mean, we gave him many,

1185
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:18,989
many chances and and

1186
00:42:19,449 --> 00:42:21,069
paid paid for his rehabilitation

1187
00:42:21,529 --> 00:42:23,449
stuff, but he continued to let us down,

1188
00:42:23,449 --> 00:42:24,750
and we had to let him go.

1189
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:27,074
Yeah. Yeah. So anything else as we wrap

1190
00:42:27,074 --> 00:42:27,172
up? Any other leadership principle or coaching coaching

1191
00:42:27,172 --> 00:42:28,269
philosophy that was really a

1192
00:42:34,585 --> 00:42:35,324
I think that the players

1193
00:42:35,625 --> 00:42:36,284
will read

1194
00:42:36,585 --> 00:42:38,585
whether you like your job or not. You

1195
00:42:38,585 --> 00:42:41,005
know, I I, you know, when I measure,

1196
00:42:41,224 --> 00:42:43,144
I think I mentioned before that Johnny Wooden

1197
00:42:43,144 --> 00:42:45,559
said a good coach is one who who

1198
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,559
wins when he has good players. Nobody can

1199
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,119
win with bad players. Alright? The the UB

1200
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:51,960
Browns of the world and stuff will make

1201
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,980
them a little better, the Pat Riley's,

1202
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,140
but, but, otherwise,

1203
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:57,900
you gotta have good players.

1204
00:42:58,224 --> 00:43:00,244
Alright? But I think in leadership

1205
00:43:00,704 --> 00:43:01,525
and in coaching,

1206
00:43:01,905 --> 00:43:04,224
the players will read whether you enjoy it

1207
00:43:04,224 --> 00:43:06,964
or not, and you've gotta be very, very

1208
00:43:07,184 --> 00:43:09,585
careful. I always say, would I want my

1209
00:43:09,585 --> 00:43:12,324
son or daughter to play for this coach?

1210
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,199
Would I trust them? Alright? I say this

1211
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:18,000
all the time. Football. I love football. I

1212
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,880
think football is great. I think it's it's

1213
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,599
great training for our kids. It's more lessons

1214
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,679
are learned on the football field as a

1215
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,695
classroom than than in the classrooms themselves. You

1216
00:43:28,695 --> 00:43:31,414
find out who you are. You learn fear.

1217
00:43:31,414 --> 00:43:33,494
You learn you know, it's like the, the

1218
00:43:33,494 --> 00:43:35,655
players waiting for a game. They're worried. They're

1219
00:43:35,655 --> 00:43:37,575
scared. They're this. But then whenever when the

1220
00:43:37,575 --> 00:43:39,655
whistle blows and the kickoff, they they get

1221
00:43:39,655 --> 00:43:41,094
out there and they play or they don't

1222
00:43:41,094 --> 00:43:43,579
play, whatever it is. And so, you know,

1223
00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:46,219
I think it's it's important to say that

1224
00:43:46,219 --> 00:43:47,519
you're not gonna be dangerous.

1225
00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:49,980
I say to a lot of parents, when

1226
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:51,280
you let your son,

1227
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:52,559
play football,

1228
00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:54,800
make sure you know who the coach is.

1229
00:43:55,025 --> 00:43:57,184
You don't want some nasty guy that you

1230
00:43:57,184 --> 00:43:59,985
know? I remember playing football my day, and

1231
00:43:59,985 --> 00:44:01,824
one of our punishments is they didn't give

1232
00:44:01,824 --> 00:44:02,485
us water.

1233
00:44:03,184 --> 00:44:04,785
What the you know? I mean, are you

1234
00:44:04,785 --> 00:44:05,285
crazy?

1235
00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:08,460
You know? I mean, we coulda killed us.

1236
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:10,619
Yeah. Practicing in the heat and, oh, yeah.

1237
00:44:10,619 --> 00:44:12,619
You know? Hey. You guys aren't gonna have

1238
00:44:12,619 --> 00:44:14,400
a drink. You I think,

1239
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:16,619
so, you know and then when I got

1240
00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:17,659
in the army, I found it was the

1241
00:44:17,659 --> 00:44:19,760
opposite way. We made guys drink that water.

1242
00:44:20,139 --> 00:44:22,300
We didn't wanna lose them. So, yeah, so

1243
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:23,760
you have to be careful

1244
00:44:24,224 --> 00:44:26,864
that the welfare, the health, the mental the

1245
00:44:26,864 --> 00:44:27,765
mental well-being

1246
00:44:28,065 --> 00:44:30,565
of the player is is at the utmost.

1247
00:44:30,704 --> 00:44:32,945
Yeah. And the players will read that. The

1248
00:44:32,945 --> 00:44:35,265
people around them will read that. And then

1249
00:44:35,265 --> 00:44:37,650
the final analysis, you know, maybe you won't

1250
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:39,730
you won't be in the next Popovich or

1251
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:42,309
the next Johnny Wooden or whatever it is.

1252
00:44:42,449 --> 00:44:44,289
But you gotta when you get out of

1253
00:44:44,289 --> 00:44:46,849
it, you gotta the players will read this

1254
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:49,010
too. Do you enjoy this? Do you have

1255
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:49,510
fun?

1256
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:52,289
A little trick I used, and I think

1257
00:44:52,289 --> 00:44:54,445
it was good. I thought always leave them

1258
00:44:54,445 --> 00:44:54,945
laughing.

1259
00:44:55,324 --> 00:44:56,844
And you're good at that. I used to

1260
00:44:56,844 --> 00:44:58,204
I used to always have a joke at

1261
00:44:58,204 --> 00:44:59,885
the end of practice, and I used to

1262
00:44:59,885 --> 00:45:01,984
say, if anybody can top my jokes,

1263
00:45:02,364 --> 00:45:04,445
you anybody come in. So the players start

1264
00:45:04,445 --> 00:45:06,364
to come in with jokes and they would

1265
00:45:06,364 --> 00:45:08,289
tell joke at the end of practice. And

1266
00:45:08,289 --> 00:45:09,730
I would always look up a joke and

1267
00:45:09,730 --> 00:45:11,010
have a little joke at the end of

1268
00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:13,190
practice too so that when we left practice,

1269
00:45:13,409 --> 00:45:14,869
we were all you know, they were all

1270
00:45:15,089 --> 00:45:17,109
hitting each other and high fiving.

1271
00:45:17,409 --> 00:45:18,769
Yeah. That was a good one. You know?

1272
00:45:18,769 --> 00:45:20,929
Yeah. Yeah. Delete. I think it's good to

1273
00:45:20,929 --> 00:45:23,675
leave practice, to leave work every day on

1274
00:45:23,675 --> 00:45:24,574
a bright note.

1275
00:45:24,954 --> 00:45:26,954
Don't leave you know, my father worked on

1276
00:45:26,954 --> 00:45:27,614
the docks,

1277
00:45:28,074 --> 00:45:30,155
and he worked on he he, he was

1278
00:45:30,155 --> 00:45:30,974
a longshoreman,

1279
00:45:31,514 --> 00:45:33,914
you know, and he carried stuff on his

1280
00:45:33,914 --> 00:45:36,074
back and onto the ships and everything. That's

1281
00:45:36,074 --> 00:45:38,010
what he did. Dumb Irishman. That's what they

1282
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:39,610
did with the Irishmen when they came from

1283
00:45:39,610 --> 00:45:41,789
Ireland. They put him to work in there

1284
00:45:41,849 --> 00:45:44,010
as they did other groups of people too.

1285
00:45:44,010 --> 00:45:45,449
And it was hard work, and it was

1286
00:45:45,449 --> 00:45:47,610
tough work and everything else. So he always

1287
00:45:47,610 --> 00:45:47,769
say,

1288
00:45:48,489 --> 00:45:50,570
I gotta go back to this job. You

1289
00:45:50,570 --> 00:45:52,425
know? I hate my job. I said, you

1290
00:45:52,425 --> 00:45:54,765
gotta go through life hating your job.

1291
00:45:55,144 --> 00:45:57,065
You know? You should love your job. And

1292
00:45:57,065 --> 00:45:59,305
the players will read that. They knew I

1293
00:45:59,305 --> 00:46:00,125
loved coaching.

1294
00:46:00,425 --> 00:46:02,585
They knew I liked coaching. I and and

1295
00:46:02,585 --> 00:46:04,425
I had to have them in order to

1296
00:46:04,425 --> 00:46:06,344
make it work. Yeah. So they were just

1297
00:46:06,344 --> 00:46:08,110
part of it. And a lot of times

1298
00:46:08,110 --> 00:46:10,210
people ask me, do you miss coaching?

1299
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:12,510
Alright? I've been out of coaching for a

1300
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:14,110
lot of years now. I got out of

1301
00:46:14,110 --> 00:46:16,349
coaching in order to be with my family.

1302
00:46:16,349 --> 00:46:18,349
I thought I had taken enough away from

1303
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:20,190
them. You know? I had my son who

1304
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:22,005
played in college, who played in high school,

1305
00:46:22,085 --> 00:46:24,324
and was a, captain of his college team.

1306
00:46:24,324 --> 00:46:26,005
I saw two games in his whole life.

1307
00:46:26,005 --> 00:46:28,585
Oh, wow. Two games. This isn't just rehearsal.

1308
00:46:28,884 --> 00:46:30,404
We don't go through this thing. We don't

1309
00:46:30,404 --> 00:46:32,025
get a chance to do it over again.

1310
00:46:32,085 --> 00:46:33,684
That was Scotty, so I hired him to

1311
00:46:33,684 --> 00:46:35,969
come with me and coach. And people said,

1312
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:37,109
oh, is he qualified?

1313
00:46:37,409 --> 00:46:38,690
And I was I I said, I really

1314
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:40,849
don't care. I'm married to his mother. That's

1315
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:43,010
all. You know? But, you know, the thing

1316
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:43,409
that,

1317
00:46:43,969 --> 00:46:45,969
yeah, you gotta you gotta like your job.

1318
00:46:45,969 --> 00:46:47,809
But when people ask me, do I miss

1319
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:49,909
coaching? I said, no. I miss playing.

1320
00:46:50,675 --> 00:46:52,355
You know? I was thinking about this last

1321
00:46:52,355 --> 00:46:52,855
night,

1322
00:46:53,155 --> 00:46:55,155
about the game today, which I can't wait

1323
00:46:55,155 --> 00:46:57,795
for. Yeah. And I was saying, gosh. If

1324
00:46:57,795 --> 00:46:59,795
I could only be young again, for what

1325
00:46:59,795 --> 00:47:01,875
reason? To to to just play one more

1326
00:47:01,875 --> 00:47:04,320
time. Yeah. If I I mean, and and

1327
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,760
I say that to the players. You know?

1328
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,260
Sometimes,

1329
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,480
you know, the coaches will have me to

1330
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,719
speak to their teams. You know? Gary Anderson

1331
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,300
does every year. He's back at Utah State.

1332
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,280
And, I always say to them, hey. What

1333
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,200
you're gonna do this afternoon when you go

1334
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,494
out in the real world, General Motors don't

1335
00:47:19,494 --> 00:47:21,434
have a team. Yeah. You know?

1336
00:47:22,135 --> 00:47:25,175
So you you enjoy it because you this

1337
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,494
is one time only. Yeah. What these guys

1338
00:47:27,494 --> 00:47:28,635
are gonna do tonight,

1339
00:47:29,094 --> 00:47:32,019
that's it. Yep. You know? Yep. And, so,

1340
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,320
you know, you got so I miss that.

1341
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,559
I really do. I miss I played football,

1342
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,639
baseball, basketball. I played basketball and baseball in

1343
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:39,139
college,

1344
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,079
and I really miss that, you know, thing.

1345
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:43,460
So what do you do instead?

1346
00:47:43,894 --> 00:47:47,175
Well, we need umpires. Umpirants, great. And then,

1347
00:47:47,414 --> 00:47:49,434
you know, coaching is is a wonderful

1348
00:47:49,815 --> 00:47:51,514
profession, and it's competition.

1349
00:47:52,214 --> 00:47:54,234
And, some of my great friends,

1350
00:47:54,534 --> 00:47:56,954
you know, came from the coaching ranks. Yeah.

1351
00:47:57,014 --> 00:47:57,175
And,

1352
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:59,269
I just got an award, in fact, from

1353
00:47:59,269 --> 00:48:02,570
the coaches association, which was was wonderful because

1354
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:04,389
when I saw the list of guys who

1355
00:48:04,389 --> 00:48:05,369
were on the committee,

1356
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:07,750
boy, I I I teared up. Yeah. And

1357
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:09,590
it's I said, gee, I didn't think they

1358
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:10,329
liked me.

1359
00:48:11,755 --> 00:48:14,315
But, yeah, it's it should be fun. Yeah.

1360
00:48:14,315 --> 00:48:15,994
It all should be fun. And then when

1361
00:48:15,994 --> 00:48:17,755
it isn't fun, you got to get I

1362
00:48:17,755 --> 00:48:19,755
saw Andrew Luck the other day. He said

1363
00:48:19,755 --> 00:48:21,914
it wasn't fun anymore. Yeah. So he quit.

1364
00:48:21,914 --> 00:48:23,675
That's right. Because that's when you get hurt.

1365
00:48:23,675 --> 00:48:25,760
Yeah, for sure. So, is,

1366
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:27,920
you'll have opportunity in the next week or

1367
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,920
two to speak at the BYU Management Society,

1368
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,880
the moral and ethical

1369
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:33,599
Well, sooner or later, everybody gets to speak

1370
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,000
to them. Yeah. You know? You you're at

1371
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,539
the bottom of the list. It's my fee.

1372
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,065
Yeah. They like my fee. It's nothing. I

1373
00:48:40,065 --> 00:48:42,385
get another green jello. Nice. That's how they

1374
00:48:42,385 --> 00:48:43,445
do it. You know?

1375
00:48:43,744 --> 00:48:45,425
Well, it's gonna be I look forward to

1376
00:48:45,425 --> 00:48:46,625
that opportunity. You know what it is? I

1377
00:48:46,625 --> 00:48:47,284
hear you.

1378
00:48:47,585 --> 00:48:48,885
It's a special group.

1379
00:48:49,265 --> 00:48:51,844
All right. I say this because it's young,

1380
00:48:52,065 --> 00:48:52,565
energetic,

1381
00:48:52,945 --> 00:48:54,359
bright young men

1382
00:48:54,659 --> 00:48:56,679
who are giving of themselves

1383
00:48:57,139 --> 00:48:59,460
to help others. Next week, I'm going also

1384
00:48:59,460 --> 00:49:01,480
to the Bishop's dinner. I, you know, I'm

1385
00:49:01,699 --> 00:49:03,380
I go, but I love it. Yeah. I

1386
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:04,980
love it. And and it's good for me

1387
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:06,440
and it's good for my family.

1388
00:49:06,795 --> 00:49:09,114
We found home. Yeah. And that's great. And

1389
00:49:09,114 --> 00:49:11,914
that segues my last question is you alluded

1390
00:49:11,914 --> 00:49:14,155
earlier that coming to Salt Lake, there's some

1391
00:49:14,155 --> 00:49:16,394
spiritual aspect to it. And now looking back

1392
00:49:16,394 --> 00:49:19,034
on it, how's how how have you your

1393
00:49:19,034 --> 00:49:20,714
spirit? All right. There's a couple of things

1394
00:49:20,714 --> 00:49:23,250
happening. I say a spiritual aspect to it.

1395
00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:24,930
I say, I wonder if I was sent.

1396
00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:26,849
Alright? That I came here and added a

1397
00:49:26,849 --> 00:49:29,250
balance to this community that maybe they didn't

1398
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:31,750
have before. You know, if you look around,

1399
00:49:31,809 --> 00:49:34,230
we have had some, you know, wonderful wonderful

1400
00:49:34,289 --> 00:49:36,230
leaders and other faiths. Yeah. I mentioned

1401
00:49:36,614 --> 00:49:39,014
Franz Davis of the, the Baptist Church here,

1402
00:49:39,014 --> 00:49:41,735
you know, with the African American community. And

1403
00:49:41,735 --> 00:49:44,375
there's so many people that, do do certain

1404
00:49:44,375 --> 00:49:47,175
things like that have made great impacts on

1405
00:49:47,175 --> 00:49:49,974
the community and have been rewarded for it

1406
00:49:49,974 --> 00:49:50,795
by the community.

1407
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,240
But one of the things that happens is

1408
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,420
when you come to a place like this,

1409
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:57,539
which is

1410
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:58,660
obviously

1411
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:01,519
a religious community and religion plays a big

1412
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,760
has a big impact on everything we do

1413
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,519
and everywhere we go and everything we say

1414
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,454
and do, But it made me a better

1415
00:50:07,454 --> 00:50:10,494
Catholic. Mhmm. It made me more aware of

1416
00:50:10,494 --> 00:50:12,755
my religion and my responsibility.

1417
00:50:13,375 --> 00:50:14,514
You know, I'm impressed

1418
00:50:14,894 --> 00:50:16,114
with the commitment

1419
00:50:16,574 --> 00:50:18,494
and and the camaraderie and the and the

1420
00:50:18,494 --> 00:50:21,230
family aspects and the all of the things,

1421
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:23,569
you know, whether it's through sports or BYU.

1422
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:26,589
You know? There's so many things that that

1423
00:50:26,589 --> 00:50:29,309
make me think all the time about my

1424
00:50:29,309 --> 00:50:32,210
religion and my responsibility to being a Catholic.

1425
00:50:32,494 --> 00:50:34,335
And I think that's good, by the way.

1426
00:50:34,335 --> 00:50:36,094
I don't think everybody should be Catholic. I

1427
00:50:36,094 --> 00:50:38,175
don't think everybody should be LDS. I don't

1428
00:50:38,175 --> 00:50:40,335
think everybody should be Muslim. But I think

1429
00:50:40,335 --> 00:50:43,934
that everybody should have the same standards and

1430
00:50:43,934 --> 00:50:46,769
the same way of doing things. When people

1431
00:50:46,769 --> 00:50:49,570
talk about BYU, for instance, and the honor

1432
00:50:49,570 --> 00:50:51,590
code I went to a school like that.

1433
00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:54,050
Niagara University is a Catholic university, and we

1434
00:50:54,050 --> 00:50:56,130
had all sorts of rules and regulations and

1435
00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:57,730
what have you. And it will always be

1436
00:50:57,730 --> 00:50:59,890
in debated as, right and wrong and everything

1437
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:02,204
else. Well, it didn't hurt this guy. It

1438
00:51:02,204 --> 00:51:03,804
gave me a stand up I wish to

1439
00:51:03,804 --> 00:51:05,804
live by. And I think one of the

1440
00:51:05,804 --> 00:51:08,045
great things is is, that that the,

1441
00:51:08,605 --> 00:51:11,664
LDS church does is the, the the missionary

1442
00:51:12,125 --> 00:51:14,125
thing. I always think about this. Whenever I

1443
00:51:14,125 --> 00:51:16,099
see a guy who's in a there's two

1444
00:51:16,099 --> 00:51:18,579
two people. If anybody goes to Notre Dame

1445
00:51:18,579 --> 00:51:19,860
and you meet him and you talk to

1446
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:20,760
them, within

1447
00:51:21,140 --> 00:51:22,820
ten minutes, they will tell you they went

1448
00:51:22,820 --> 00:51:24,260
to Notre Dame. I don't care what it

1449
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:26,019
is. Alright? They will say, oh, by the

1450
00:51:26,019 --> 00:51:27,460
way, along the way, I went to Notre

1451
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:29,554
Dame. You know that, Don't They're so proud,

1452
00:51:29,554 --> 00:51:31,315
and that's so important to them and everything

1453
00:51:31,315 --> 00:51:34,914
else. I think it's, it's, it's true of,

1454
00:51:35,234 --> 00:51:36,275
people who are,

1455
00:51:36,914 --> 00:51:38,755
in the LDS journey to say, where'd you

1456
00:51:38,755 --> 00:51:40,674
go on your mission? I had two fellows

1457
00:51:40,674 --> 00:51:41,875
meeting. You know, where'd you go on your

1458
00:51:41,875 --> 00:51:43,650
mission? I went here in Brazil. This time.

1459
00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:45,969
And and it it that's a wonderful thing.

1460
00:51:45,969 --> 00:51:47,750
And you do the same thing with marines,

1461
00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:49,489
don't you? A guy's a marine. He's a

1462
00:51:49,489 --> 00:51:51,489
marine for life. If he doesn't have it

1463
00:51:51,489 --> 00:51:53,730
tattooed on his forehead, he has it somewhere

1464
00:51:53,730 --> 00:51:55,650
along the line. He's gonna let you know

1465
00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:57,650
he was in the marine. He's proud that

1466
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:59,784
he was able to do it, and and

1467
00:51:59,784 --> 00:52:00,605
and he served.

1468
00:52:00,905 --> 00:52:03,304
And I think that goes well with the

1469
00:52:03,304 --> 00:52:05,545
missionary spirit. I think you you become a

1470
00:52:05,545 --> 00:52:08,265
missionary as you learn you're teaching the religion,

1471
00:52:08,265 --> 00:52:10,265
but you're getting you're learning. Every time you

1472
00:52:10,265 --> 00:52:12,119
teach, you learn. You know? Leadership

1473
00:52:12,659 --> 00:52:14,739
is not, by the way, I'll add this

1474
00:52:14,739 --> 00:52:16,980
to it. It's not born. You're not born

1475
00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:18,500
to be a leader any more than you're

1476
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:20,099
born to be a dentist. You know, I

1477
00:52:20,099 --> 00:52:21,539
don't wanna have my teeth worked on a

1478
00:52:21,539 --> 00:52:23,539
guy that was as a born dentist. I

1479
00:52:23,539 --> 00:52:25,139
wanna I wanna have a guy work on

1480
00:52:25,139 --> 00:52:27,744
my teeth who has worked hard at it.

1481
00:52:27,744 --> 00:52:30,545
Yeah. But leadership can be taught. Leadership can

1482
00:52:30,545 --> 00:52:31,684
be shown by example.

1483
00:52:31,985 --> 00:52:33,824
You know? I had a great I I

1484
00:52:33,824 --> 00:52:36,644
mentioned my father. You know? Sixth grade education.

1485
00:52:36,864 --> 00:52:39,025
You know? Immigrant comes over to to

1486
00:52:39,505 --> 00:52:41,265
works hard on the docs all his life

1487
00:52:41,265 --> 00:52:43,760
and everything. But what an example he was

1488
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:45,280
and his leadership qualities,

1489
00:52:45,579 --> 00:52:46,719
by his sacrifices,

1490
00:52:47,260 --> 00:52:49,260
you know, that when the time came to

1491
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,660
when the bugle blew, we went. We didn't

1492
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:52,480
question it.

1493
00:53:04,875 --> 00:53:07,539
That concludes my interview with coach Frank Layden.

1494
00:53:07,539 --> 00:53:08,099
I hope you,

1495
00:53:08,819 --> 00:53:10,659
appreciated that interview as much as I did.

1496
00:53:10,819 --> 00:53:12,099
You know, I get people from time to

1497
00:53:12,099 --> 00:53:13,619
time that tell me, yeah, you're a pretty

1498
00:53:13,619 --> 00:53:15,859
good interviewer. And then I interview somebody like

1499
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:18,500
coach Layden and I have not one chance

1500
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:20,579
of controlling that interview as we go but,

1501
00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:22,954
nonetheless, he's so fun to listen to. I

1502
00:53:22,954 --> 00:53:24,554
really appreciated it. Now,

1503
00:53:25,034 --> 00:53:26,235
as you can see, there's a lot of

1504
00:53:26,235 --> 00:53:28,635
principles here that I felt like really applied

1505
00:53:28,635 --> 00:53:31,054
to our experience as Latter day Saint leaders.

1506
00:53:31,195 --> 00:53:32,635
I'll just run through the ones that stood

1507
00:53:32,635 --> 00:53:34,795
out to me, the the main leadership principles

1508
00:53:34,795 --> 00:53:36,769
that he talked about. I just wanna, give

1509
00:53:36,769 --> 00:53:38,369
you my perspective and maybe give you a

1510
00:53:38,369 --> 00:53:38,869
deeper

1511
00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:40,289
opportunity to to,

1512
00:53:41,010 --> 00:53:43,650
ponder over these principles. First one that jumped

1513
00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:46,550
out is always involve service in your leadership.

1514
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:48,885
And I'd love this, And it might seem

1515
00:53:48,885 --> 00:53:50,885
like an assumption to make that if you're

1516
00:53:50,885 --> 00:53:53,045
an elders quorum president, really study president, well,

1517
00:53:53,045 --> 00:53:55,765
of course, we're going to involve service in

1518
00:53:55,765 --> 00:53:57,445
our leadership. But I think you can be

1519
00:53:57,525 --> 00:53:59,525
there's always ways to be maybe more intentional

1520
00:53:59,525 --> 00:54:01,820
and realize and and or see that service

1521
00:54:01,820 --> 00:54:03,500
as, you know, we're coming together as a

1522
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:04,000
unit

1523
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:06,619
to serve and make the world a better

1524
00:54:06,619 --> 00:54:09,360
place. And in that process of doing that,

1525
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:11,660
we're going to be more unified. We're gonna

1526
00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:14,300
there's gonna be deeper friendships. There's gonna be

1527
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:15,199
more of a community

1528
00:54:15,545 --> 00:54:17,704
in our organization. So I love that. And

1529
00:54:17,704 --> 00:54:19,625
the next one that stood out is help

1530
00:54:19,625 --> 00:54:21,405
them be better intellectually.

1531
00:54:21,864 --> 00:54:24,025
I love this concept, especially in, you know,

1532
00:54:24,025 --> 00:54:25,785
coaching the NBA. You would think that while

1533
00:54:25,785 --> 00:54:27,625
we're here, we gotta win championships. We gotta

1534
00:54:27,625 --> 00:54:30,210
get some some w's on on the on

1535
00:54:30,210 --> 00:54:32,369
the board, you know, and and march forward

1536
00:54:32,369 --> 00:54:35,489
with, creating success here. But really creating an

1537
00:54:35,489 --> 00:54:38,530
organization that's not just about one thing. Right?

1538
00:54:38,530 --> 00:54:40,690
That we're not just here for wins or

1539
00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:42,965
we're not just here to bring people under

1540
00:54:42,965 --> 00:54:45,605
Christ, which is incredibly important. Right? We're also

1541
00:54:45,605 --> 00:54:47,925
here because we wanna create maybe a quorum

1542
00:54:47,925 --> 00:54:50,085
where every time you leave our core meeting

1543
00:54:50,085 --> 00:54:51,844
or our lease site every week or our

1544
00:54:51,844 --> 00:54:53,864
ward and sacrament meeting, you're leaving

1545
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:56,199
deeply impacted intellectually.

1546
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,199
Right? And more challenged

1547
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:00,819
intellectually. And I think that's a that such

1548
00:55:00,819 --> 00:55:04,280
a rich principle that can impact any organization.

1549
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,059
And, obviously, the the one that comes up

1550
00:55:07,059 --> 00:55:09,635
a lot is show you really do love

1551
00:55:09,635 --> 00:55:12,114
them. And I saw that in many examples

1552
00:55:12,114 --> 00:55:14,355
that coach Layton shared. And how are you

1553
00:55:14,514 --> 00:55:16,114
I mean, think about the examples. You know,

1554
00:55:16,114 --> 00:55:18,195
they talked about this simple ritual they have

1555
00:55:18,195 --> 00:55:19,875
of hugging each other and saying, how can

1556
00:55:19,875 --> 00:55:21,579
I help you today? Right? Like, what are

1557
00:55:21,579 --> 00:55:24,059
some various rituals or routines that you can

1558
00:55:24,059 --> 00:55:26,719
implement in your service or in your quorum

1559
00:55:27,019 --> 00:55:29,920
routines and schedule that is going to

1560
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:32,300
give you an opportunity as a leader, but

1561
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:33,679
give everybody an opportunity

1562
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:35,819
one to one to show that you love

1563
00:55:35,819 --> 00:55:37,835
each other. Right? And they really care deeply

1564
00:55:37,835 --> 00:55:39,514
about each other, and it's not just, well,

1565
00:55:39,514 --> 00:55:41,194
I'm assigned to this award, and so that's

1566
00:55:41,194 --> 00:55:43,755
why I'm here. Right? Make your authority known

1567
00:55:43,755 --> 00:55:46,554
and promote discipline was another principle that stood

1568
00:55:46,554 --> 00:55:47,614
out. And, obviously,

1569
00:55:48,155 --> 00:55:50,155
you know, coaching an NBA basketball team or

1570
00:55:50,155 --> 00:55:52,320
just coaching in generals, I think, is a

1571
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,000
little bit different than, you know, running an

1572
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,160
elders quorum or or at least society where,

1573
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,559
you know, I wouldn't necessarily recommend that, you

1574
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,719
know, you're you're screaming at people or telling

1575
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,719
them, you know, to get in line or

1576
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,559
or really push discipline like you're in the

1577
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,320
the army. But I think there's some things

1578
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,704
that that you could you could, implement

1579
00:56:09,085 --> 00:56:10,065
that could really

1580
00:56:10,444 --> 00:56:12,784
stimulate that discipline and stimulate,

1581
00:56:13,164 --> 00:56:14,944
the the or recognize

1582
00:56:15,324 --> 00:56:18,684
the authority, the keys that are present and

1583
00:56:18,684 --> 00:56:20,444
the role of those keys. Right? That or

1584
00:56:20,444 --> 00:56:21,105
that authority

1585
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:22,530
in the room. And so that'd be an

1586
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:24,450
interesting discussion, I I would say, for a

1587
00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:24,950
presidency

1588
00:56:25,489 --> 00:56:27,090
to have is to discuss, you know, how

1589
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:28,869
can we make our authority,

1590
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:31,329
more known? And, obviously, it's not your authority.

1591
00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:33,329
It's God's authority. How can we make priesthood

1592
00:56:33,329 --> 00:56:36,594
keys more more present, more obvious in the

1593
00:56:36,594 --> 00:56:38,355
room and and turn to those and and

1594
00:56:38,355 --> 00:56:40,434
really create purpose for those rather than just

1595
00:56:40,434 --> 00:56:42,434
on paper. Yeah. You're the elders' comp president.

1596
00:56:42,434 --> 00:56:43,974
Yeah. You have keys. Right?

1597
00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:46,534
Next one is, is your leadership influence

1598
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,199
being duplicated? I love the story with Thoreau

1599
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:51,920
Bailey, right, where they were coaching and Thoreau

1600
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,400
stopped everybody and said, hey. He's teaching us

1601
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,559
how to win. Right? And so this is

1602
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,400
a good sign of of healthy leadership is

1603
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,914
when there are organic leaders that just start

1604
00:57:01,914 --> 00:57:03,675
cropping up in the quorum or in the

1605
00:57:03,675 --> 00:57:06,474
group, in the organization that step forward and

1606
00:57:06,474 --> 00:57:08,554
lead even though they haven't been assigned to

1607
00:57:08,554 --> 00:57:10,255
lead or even if they're not a counselor

1608
00:57:10,394 --> 00:57:13,409
or a presidency member. They're still they still

1609
00:57:13,409 --> 00:57:14,849
step up and say, you know, we're doing

1610
00:57:14,849 --> 00:57:18,369
something special here. And, that's maybe another discussion

1611
00:57:18,369 --> 00:57:20,070
to have is how can we duplicate

1612
00:57:20,449 --> 00:57:21,750
our leadership influence?

1613
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:23,730
Next one is know when to give a

1614
00:57:23,730 --> 00:57:25,269
hug and when to give a kick.

1615
00:57:26,105 --> 00:57:27,864
I'm on to these were some rich stories,

1616
00:57:28,184 --> 00:57:29,565
that that there are individuals

1617
00:57:30,105 --> 00:57:32,184
where you, again, is not that you're go

1618
00:57:32,184 --> 00:57:33,784
to their home and, you know, cuss them

1619
00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:35,464
out for for not coming to church or

1620
00:57:35,464 --> 00:57:37,704
these things. But, you know, some people, they

1621
00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:39,964
just need some extra love, and other people,

1622
00:57:40,130 --> 00:57:41,410
they need you to go to their home

1623
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:43,969
and challenge them and say brother jones we

1624
00:57:43,969 --> 00:57:45,410
expect you to be part of our core

1625
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:47,010
we need you here all right we we

1626
00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:48,929
need you to renew that temple recommend we

1627
00:57:48,929 --> 00:57:51,170
need you to engage in our ward in

1628
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:52,550
the gospel because

1629
00:57:52,855 --> 00:57:54,614
we need you. Right? And so I think

1630
00:57:54,614 --> 00:57:56,074
there's various ways of

1631
00:57:56,375 --> 00:57:57,815
of doing that, you know, giving them a

1632
00:57:57,815 --> 00:58:01,114
kick in the pants, spiritually speaking without offending

1633
00:58:01,255 --> 00:58:03,735
or coming across too too strong. But nonetheless,

1634
00:58:03,735 --> 00:58:04,474
a great principle.

1635
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:06,949
Next one is just how he stimulated one

1636
00:58:06,949 --> 00:58:09,190
to one relationships and really made that, you

1637
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:11,349
know, his open door policy. But, and I

1638
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:12,710
think it's so much more than just saying,

1639
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:15,130
hey. I have an open door policy. But

1640
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:17,204
being a leader that's approachable. How are you

1641
00:58:17,204 --> 00:58:19,445
approachable? Obviously, most leaders in the church or

1642
00:58:19,445 --> 00:58:21,364
Latter day Saint leaders don't have an official

1643
00:58:21,364 --> 00:58:23,525
office. Right? That with a door that people

1644
00:58:23,525 --> 00:58:25,445
can walk into. And so I think it's

1645
00:58:25,445 --> 00:58:26,505
up to you to determine

1646
00:58:26,805 --> 00:58:29,099
when are your open office hours or if

1647
00:58:29,099 --> 00:58:30,619
someone does wanna talk to you, how would

1648
00:58:30,619 --> 00:58:32,400
they go about that? And do they know

1649
00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:33,900
how to go about that? Right? I think

1650
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:35,980
as getting an appoint with a bishop is

1651
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:38,380
fairly obvious with an executive secretary and so

1652
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:40,220
forth. But what about with with a relief

1653
00:58:40,220 --> 00:58:41,820
site president? What if they really want to

1654
00:58:41,820 --> 00:58:43,735
come to you with a concern or a

1655
00:58:43,735 --> 00:58:45,655
trial that they're having in life? How would

1656
00:58:45,655 --> 00:58:48,054
they go about that? Because it's probably difficult

1657
00:58:48,054 --> 00:58:50,135
to wait around till the end of relief

1658
00:58:50,135 --> 00:58:52,375
society and catch you as you're leaving or

1659
00:58:52,375 --> 00:58:54,614
to show up your house. So having an

1660
00:58:54,934 --> 00:58:57,530
implementing a system there as far as one

1661
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:59,929
to one relationships would be would I think

1662
00:58:59,929 --> 00:59:02,250
would be helpful. Next principle is help them

1663
00:59:02,250 --> 00:59:03,929
want to be a part of the team.

1664
00:59:03,929 --> 00:59:05,150
I mean, this is so crucial.

1665
00:59:05,530 --> 00:59:07,769
How many individuals in your quorum and your

1666
00:59:07,769 --> 00:59:10,155
relief site and your ward really want to

1667
00:59:10,155 --> 00:59:11,994
be there? And how many are there just

1668
00:59:11,994 --> 00:59:13,835
because, well, I know it should be. You

1669
00:59:13,835 --> 00:59:16,074
know, I gotta take the sacrament or but

1670
00:59:16,074 --> 00:59:18,795
really to create an organization of of them

1671
00:59:18,795 --> 00:59:20,635
really wanting to be there. And that may

1672
00:59:20,635 --> 00:59:22,555
be just taking the the step of asking

1673
00:59:22,555 --> 00:59:24,719
them, why on earth do you want to

1674
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:26,159
be here? I mean, I get the whole,

1675
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:28,239
you know, ordinance thing. I get the the

1676
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,079
tradition of it. But if all that was

1677
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,079
taken away, why would you want to be

1678
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:33,840
here among us and be a part of

1679
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,760
this group? Appearance creates professionalism, and professionalism creates

1680
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,574
culture. I love this and this goes back

1681
00:59:39,574 --> 00:59:41,894
to, you know, the I think the Yankees,

1682
00:59:41,894 --> 00:59:43,734
the New York Yankees, have been doing this

1683
00:59:43,734 --> 00:59:45,574
for years and years of just creating a

1684
00:59:45,574 --> 00:59:46,074
professional

1685
00:59:46,775 --> 00:59:49,894
atmosphere. Right? And now, you know, there's an

1686
00:59:49,894 --> 00:59:52,054
eternal debate about white shirts and things. But

1687
00:59:52,054 --> 00:59:54,179
I remember as a bishop, I would ask

1688
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,400
my my bishopric counselors. I said, you know,

1689
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,460
it's not in the handbook,

1690
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,159
but I would ask that you, every time

1691
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,019
you're on a bishopric business,

1692
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,800
that you're acting in that function, that you

1693
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,760
have a a nice looking suit on and

1694
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,894
that you're you're doing that right now. Obviously,

1695
01:00:09,894 --> 01:00:12,295
there's service activities or just dropping on somebody.

1696
01:00:12,295 --> 01:00:13,994
But as far as Sunday to Sunday,

1697
01:00:14,295 --> 01:00:16,534
when we're acting in our official capacity, I

1698
01:00:16,534 --> 01:00:19,815
want the visual image of unity, not just,

1699
01:00:20,135 --> 01:00:21,989
in our actions, but visually. And and I

1700
01:00:21,989 --> 01:00:23,349
think there's, you know, a lot of people,

1701
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:24,489
especially nowadays,

1702
01:00:24,949 --> 01:00:26,550
it's easy to grumble about that sort of

1703
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:28,710
stuff. You know? There's lots of discussion about

1704
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:30,789
the honor code at at Brigham Young University

1705
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:32,869
and and appearance at church and these things.

1706
01:00:32,869 --> 01:00:34,630
And and, of course, you know, those are

1707
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:37,235
important discussions to have. But in leadership, I

1708
01:00:37,235 --> 01:00:39,394
really feel like it's important to take a

1709
01:00:39,394 --> 01:00:41,735
step of how are we gonna look professional

1710
01:00:42,275 --> 01:00:44,934
and take it to that level so that

1711
01:00:45,155 --> 01:00:47,235
so that the the authority that we represent

1712
01:00:47,235 --> 01:00:49,635
is is respected in that manner. So something

1713
01:00:49,635 --> 01:00:51,074
to to think about, I think, as far

1714
01:00:51,074 --> 01:00:53,000
as appearance, like, how can you impact the

1715
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,159
appearance of maybe your presidency or the appearance

1716
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:57,559
of your quorum that is, isn't gonna feel

1717
01:00:57,559 --> 01:00:59,320
like, just one more thing, but it's gonna

1718
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,019
actually stimulate unity

1719
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,619
among those that attend.

1720
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:06,515
Another fantastic principle, that coach Layden shared. Those

1721
01:01:06,515 --> 01:01:08,355
you lead will read if you like your

1722
01:01:08,355 --> 01:01:11,015
role or not. I thought this was awesome

1723
01:01:11,235 --> 01:01:12,914
because so many times in the church I

1724
01:01:12,914 --> 01:01:15,474
mean, and especially a a bishop, a stake

1725
01:01:15,474 --> 01:01:17,555
presidency. I mean, nine years. I mean, you

1726
01:01:17,635 --> 01:01:18,994
you're in these callings for a long time.

1727
01:01:18,994 --> 01:01:20,934
And sometimes those last few years,

1728
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:23,659
you're just sort of ready, right, to to

1729
01:01:23,659 --> 01:01:25,739
move on to something else. And so if

1730
01:01:25,739 --> 01:01:28,219
people can perceive, if you're not enjoying that

1731
01:01:28,219 --> 01:01:29,280
that calling and

1732
01:01:29,659 --> 01:01:32,699
I have enjoyed some callings before, especially some

1733
01:01:32,699 --> 01:01:34,824
leadership callings that I've had. And I feel

1734
01:01:34,824 --> 01:01:36,744
like people really felt that. Like, when I'm

1735
01:01:36,744 --> 01:01:38,664
acting in that capacity, they could tell I

1736
01:01:38,664 --> 01:01:41,224
was enjoying that experience. And if you enjoy

1737
01:01:41,224 --> 01:01:41,965
that experience,

1738
01:01:42,344 --> 01:01:43,324
they are more,

1739
01:01:43,704 --> 01:01:46,025
likely to want to be a part of

1740
01:01:46,025 --> 01:01:47,704
that experience and be involved and be in

1741
01:01:47,704 --> 01:01:49,644
that group. So that's another thing to consider.

1742
01:01:49,869 --> 01:01:52,030
Do you like your calling? And if you

1743
01:01:52,030 --> 01:01:54,109
don't, like, what can you do to either

1744
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:54,609
stimulate

1745
01:01:54,989 --> 01:01:57,630
and find that energy again or maybe have

1746
01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:00,030
a conversation with, your bishop or someone and

1747
01:02:00,030 --> 01:02:02,125
say, man, I'm really struggling with this. Is

1748
01:02:02,125 --> 01:02:04,285
there something else? Or what can we do

1749
01:02:04,285 --> 01:02:06,445
to to stimulate some of that enjoyment in

1750
01:02:06,445 --> 01:02:08,204
your calling? Because you really do need to

1751
01:02:08,204 --> 01:02:10,925
enjoy your calling. And then lastly, I put,

1752
01:02:11,405 --> 01:02:14,204
always leave them laughing and on a positive

1753
01:02:14,204 --> 01:02:16,090
note. And this is, I think, great counsel

1754
01:02:16,090 --> 01:02:18,170
for any core meeting, really exciting meeting. Of

1755
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:20,010
course, it's natural to sort of end the

1756
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:22,750
meeting on the with the, you know, testimony.

1757
01:02:22,809 --> 01:02:25,769
Right? The spiritual experience where your voice lowers

1758
01:02:25,769 --> 01:02:26,775
and you get very

1759
01:02:27,174 --> 01:02:29,894
sincere. And, you know, I just I just

1760
01:02:29,894 --> 01:02:31,734
love this gospel. Right? Like and that's fine.

1761
01:02:31,734 --> 01:02:33,574
There's a time and a place for that.

1762
01:02:33,574 --> 01:02:35,654
But, also, especially in an elders' courtroom, I

1763
01:02:35,654 --> 01:02:38,054
would much rather as when a group of

1764
01:02:38,054 --> 01:02:38,554
men

1765
01:02:38,855 --> 01:02:40,234
to leave that meeting

1766
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:42,949
laughing or leave it on a note that's

1767
01:02:42,949 --> 01:02:43,849
super positive

1768
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:46,789
and that I can that, leaves me smiling

1769
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:48,869
as I walk out of that courtroom. Right?

1770
01:02:48,869 --> 01:02:50,550
So I think that's a great principle. Anyways,

1771
01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:52,150
those are just the the main principles I

1772
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:53,704
took away from it. I hope, I'd love

1773
01:02:53,704 --> 01:02:55,824
to hear maybe principles that you have,

1774
01:02:56,304 --> 01:02:58,625
that captured your attention in this interview. You

1775
01:02:58,625 --> 01:03:00,144
can go to leadingsaints.org.

1776
01:03:00,144 --> 01:03:02,545
And right on the interview of this with

1777
01:03:02,545 --> 01:03:04,385
coach Layden, you can leave a comment, and

1778
01:03:04,385 --> 01:03:07,444
there you can, share your perspective on things.

1779
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:10,429
And that concludes this throwback episode of the

1780
01:03:10,429 --> 01:03:11,730
Leading Saints podcast.

1781
01:03:12,269 --> 01:03:15,250
Quick reminder, go watch Joseph Grenny's presentation

1782
01:03:15,550 --> 01:03:17,730
on helping loved ones overcome addiction

1783
01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:26,735
by going to leadingsaints.org/fourteen.

1784
01:03:28,155 --> 01:03:30,635
It came as a result of the position

1785
01:03:30,635 --> 01:03:33,570
of leadership which was imposed upon us

1786
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:36,789
by the God of heaven who brought forth

1787
01:03:36,849 --> 01:03:37,750
a restoration

1788
01:03:38,050 --> 01:03:40,309
of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

1789
01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:44,710
When the declaration was made concerning the only

1790
01:03:45,329 --> 01:03:47,730
true and living Church upon the face of

1791
01:03:47,730 --> 01:03:48,390
the earth,

1792
01:03:48,835 --> 01:03:51,574
We were immediately put in a position of

1793
01:03:51,635 --> 01:03:52,135
loneliness,

1794
01:03:52,515 --> 01:03:54,135
the loneliness of leadership

1795
01:03:54,994 --> 01:03:58,135
from which we cannot shrink nor run away,

1796
01:03:59,074 --> 01:04:01,555
and to which we must face up with

1797
01:04:01,555 --> 01:04:02,934
boldness and courage

1798
01:04:03,648 --> 01:04:04,148
and

1799
01:04:04,541 --> 01:04:05,041
ability.