1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,839 How's your teaching calling going? Have you ever 2 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:09,919 asked a question during the second hour, and 3 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:12,080 suddenly everyone is looking at the carpet in 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,054 silence? There are proven methods to stimulate class 5 00:00:15,054 --> 00:00:17,714 discussion that work like a charm. David Farnsworth 6 00:00:17,934 --> 00:00:20,574 does a masterful job presenting on this very 7 00:00:20,574 --> 00:00:24,015 subject in the Teaching Saints virtual library. What 8 00:00:24,015 --> 00:00:26,510 questions get people talking? How can you effectively 9 00:00:26,650 --> 00:00:29,050 listen to the answer they're saying without being 10 00:00:29,050 --> 00:00:31,130 distracted of where you wanna take the class 11 00:00:31,130 --> 00:00:34,250 next? These are crucial principles to consider, especially 12 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:36,409 in this time of come follow me Sunday 13 00:00:36,409 --> 00:00:38,350 school. You can watch David Farnsworth's 14 00:00:38,715 --> 00:00:42,414 presentation by visiting leadingsaints.org/fourteen. 15 00:00:42,634 --> 00:00:44,954 There, you can gain free access for fourteen 16 00:00:44,954 --> 00:00:47,594 days to the Teaching Saints virtual library, where 17 00:00:47,594 --> 00:00:49,914 you'll find hours and hours of content to 18 00:00:49,914 --> 00:00:52,335 help you be a better prepared Sunday teacher. 19 00:00:57,879 --> 00:00:59,079 So this is what we do here at 20 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:01,640 Leading Saints is every week, we go out 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,960 and find somebody in the world who has 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,359 some leadership experience. This is nobody, you know, 23 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:08,515 as far as an expert or somebody who's 24 00:01:08,515 --> 00:01:10,275 figured it all out, but these are everyday 25 00:01:10,275 --> 00:01:13,015 people serving in callings just like you do. 26 00:01:13,314 --> 00:01:15,075 We simply ask them, how is it that 27 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:17,155 you lead? What do you do? What principles 28 00:01:17,155 --> 00:01:19,475 have helped? What's your reward like? What's your 29 00:01:19,475 --> 00:01:22,270 stake like? And, the the stories and examples 30 00:01:22,270 --> 00:01:24,189 that come to the surface are inspiring and 31 00:01:24,189 --> 00:01:24,689 phenomenal 32 00:01:24,990 --> 00:01:27,549 and and populate the Leading Saints community with 33 00:01:27,549 --> 00:01:29,569 ideas that you can use or, 34 00:01:30,109 --> 00:01:31,709 you know, work with them and make a 35 00:01:31,709 --> 00:01:33,549 fit for your area. So in this episode, 36 00:01:33,549 --> 00:01:35,409 we talk with Amy Jo Schinowerk 37 00:01:35,984 --> 00:01:38,385 from Texas. She also has a very unique 38 00:01:38,385 --> 00:01:41,344 job in law enforcement being a dispatcher, which 39 00:01:41,344 --> 00:01:42,865 we talk about, and there's a lot of 40 00:01:42,865 --> 00:01:44,245 leadership principles that, 41 00:01:44,545 --> 00:01:45,204 she uses, 42 00:01:45,825 --> 00:01:48,240 in her role as a stake relief society 43 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:49,920 president as well. She's got experience as a 44 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,099 ward relief society president and some phenomenal 45 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:52,980 principles. 46 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,319 Listen to why she called three counselors. That's 47 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:58,480 right. Not just two counselors. She got the 48 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,200 bonus counselor, and she has three counselors, two 49 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,674 secretaries, and how that helps her delegate. It's 50 00:02:03,755 --> 00:02:06,715 a phenomenal approach and worth worth considering. She 51 00:02:06,715 --> 00:02:08,794 also does a great job leveraging skill sets 52 00:02:08,794 --> 00:02:11,034 in her local area, making sure, you know, 53 00:02:11,034 --> 00:02:12,955 people are aware of the what members have 54 00:02:12,955 --> 00:02:15,194 to give. And so when those skill sets 55 00:02:15,194 --> 00:02:15,935 are needed, 56 00:02:16,729 --> 00:02:18,650 there's someone to step up and serve the 57 00:02:18,650 --> 00:02:20,489 community better. So you're going to love this 58 00:02:20,489 --> 00:02:22,889 episode, share it with any stake or ward 59 00:02:22,889 --> 00:02:24,810 relief study president or a PRINCE member out 60 00:02:24,810 --> 00:02:26,489 there. I think they'll benefit from it. And 61 00:02:26,489 --> 00:02:27,389 I must mention, 62 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:29,689 in parts of the episode, her dog tries 63 00:02:29,689 --> 00:02:31,405 to be on the podcast as well, barking 64 00:02:31,405 --> 00:02:32,965 in the background. Just ignore it. You can 65 00:02:32,965 --> 00:02:34,645 still hear her fine, but know that we 66 00:02:34,645 --> 00:02:37,284 were, working behind the scenes to, remedy that. 67 00:02:37,284 --> 00:02:39,444 But, you know, these are real people with 68 00:02:39,444 --> 00:02:41,525 real dogs, and we love dogs. So here's 69 00:02:41,525 --> 00:02:43,784 my interview with Amy Jo Chenowork. 70 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:57,699 All right, Amy, Jo Chenowork. 71 00:02:58,165 --> 00:03:00,405 Welcome to the Leading Saints podcast. Thank you. 72 00:03:00,405 --> 00:03:02,344 Thank you. It's a surprise to be here. 73 00:03:02,645 --> 00:03:05,044 Awesome. Well, I'm so glad for the individuals 74 00:03:05,044 --> 00:03:06,564 who recommend your name, and I think this 75 00:03:06,564 --> 00:03:07,784 will lead to a great discussion. 76 00:03:08,485 --> 00:03:11,444 Maybe tell us, you're North Of Dallas or 77 00:03:11,444 --> 00:03:12,504 Fort Worth or South 78 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:15,400 South Of Fort Worth. Oh, okay. Yeah. South 79 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,379 Of Fort Worth. Yeah. 80 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,159 And, have you been there most of your 81 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:20,919 most of your life or years from there? 82 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,860 No. We my husband's a professor, 83 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,860 so we came here for a 84 00:03:25,335 --> 00:03:27,655 professor job with the Texas A and M 85 00:03:27,655 --> 00:03:29,735 school system. So we've been here about ten 86 00:03:29,735 --> 00:03:30,235 years. 87 00:03:30,534 --> 00:03:33,254 Awesome. And, you got a pretty unique job. 88 00:03:33,254 --> 00:03:35,014 How do you explain your job when people 89 00:03:35,014 --> 00:03:35,915 ask you about it? 90 00:03:37,219 --> 00:03:39,400 So my father was in law enforcement, 91 00:03:39,699 --> 00:03:40,180 and, 92 00:03:40,659 --> 00:03:43,060 out of our his seven children, it was 93 00:03:43,060 --> 00:03:44,280 just me 94 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:46,659 that had that, I guess, in their blood. 95 00:03:46,659 --> 00:03:48,500 So it was kind of our thing. And, 96 00:03:50,099 --> 00:03:52,520 I work in the radio room. 97 00:03:53,284 --> 00:03:54,905 I'm a tactical communications 98 00:03:55,284 --> 00:03:57,685 dispatcher, I guess, is the fancy name for 99 00:03:57,685 --> 00:03:58,504 what I do. 100 00:03:59,605 --> 00:04:00,745 Just mostly 101 00:04:01,045 --> 00:04:03,784 dispatch calls that come in on 911 lines. 102 00:04:03,844 --> 00:04:05,844 Sometimes I'll do 911, but, yeah, I'm the 103 00:04:05,844 --> 00:04:06,344 dispatcher. 104 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,520 So you're not necessarily the person that answers 105 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,000 the 911 call, but I mean, sometimes. Sometimes 106 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,680 when you, you know, have a tornado going 107 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,939 on, everyone's all hands on deck, you know? 108 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,639 Yeah. Mostly, I'm the dispatcher. So someone calls 109 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:18,920 in, talks to a 911 110 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:21,194 and then they send the info to you 111 00:04:21,194 --> 00:04:23,194 saying, this is the situation. This is what 112 00:04:23,194 --> 00:04:24,574 we need. And then you 113 00:04:25,035 --> 00:04:26,794 tell the police to jump in the car. 114 00:04:26,794 --> 00:04:29,294 Yeah. Or the fire department or the hazmat 115 00:04:29,514 --> 00:04:33,035 or whoever needs to respond. Yeah. SWAT. Nice. 116 00:04:33,035 --> 00:04:33,535 Canine. 117 00:04:34,394 --> 00:04:36,300 What would you say? Like, has there been 118 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:38,539 a specific skill set you've developed just doing 119 00:04:38,539 --> 00:04:40,699 that job? I mean, obviously, I would imagine 120 00:04:40,699 --> 00:04:42,699 you have to be kinda cool under pressure 121 00:04:42,699 --> 00:04:43,199 or 122 00:04:43,579 --> 00:04:45,819 direct dirt. You do. That's pretty good. You 123 00:04:45,819 --> 00:04:47,659 do have to remain calm. We call it 124 00:04:47,659 --> 00:04:48,800 calm in the chaos 125 00:04:49,264 --> 00:04:52,004 in the radio room. You have to have 126 00:04:52,145 --> 00:04:52,645 really 127 00:04:53,105 --> 00:04:56,464 good listening. Most people, when they talk to 128 00:04:56,464 --> 00:04:56,964 you, 129 00:04:57,264 --> 00:05:00,145 don't tune into a conversation for about, let's 130 00:05:00,145 --> 00:05:01,125 say, five seconds. 131 00:05:01,665 --> 00:05:03,444 And so when you go through the training 132 00:05:03,860 --> 00:05:06,439 and you answer a 911 call, you miss 133 00:05:06,899 --> 00:05:08,819 the whole call, and then you're like, okay. 134 00:05:08,819 --> 00:05:10,339 Wait. Now what was your address? And you 135 00:05:10,339 --> 00:05:12,819 make them say everything over again. And so 136 00:05:13,060 --> 00:05:14,360 Oh, really? Listening 137 00:05:14,660 --> 00:05:16,759 is a key skill. Yeah. 138 00:05:17,214 --> 00:05:19,615 And then you're currently serving as a stake 139 00:05:19,615 --> 00:05:21,375 relief study president. Before that, you were a 140 00:05:21,375 --> 00:05:23,455 ward relief study president. Did you go from 141 00:05:23,455 --> 00:05:25,455 the ward level to the stake level directly? 142 00:05:25,455 --> 00:05:26,035 I did. 143 00:05:26,654 --> 00:05:28,915 Nice. Yeah. And was that a tough adjustment? 144 00:05:29,810 --> 00:05:31,029 It's still an adjustment. 145 00:05:32,209 --> 00:05:34,209 I've been in the ward level about three 146 00:05:34,209 --> 00:05:35,089 years, and, 147 00:05:36,290 --> 00:05:38,470 and our state president was going out 148 00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:40,949 and wanted to refresh 149 00:05:41,490 --> 00:05:43,829 some things for the new one coming in, 150 00:05:44,425 --> 00:05:46,685 which didn't make sense to me, but, 151 00:05:48,025 --> 00:05:50,504 you know, he called the new stake primary 152 00:05:50,504 --> 00:05:52,665 president and a young woman's president and me, 153 00:05:52,665 --> 00:05:54,285 and then he was done. 154 00:05:54,824 --> 00:05:56,824 So we're all new. I guess maybe maybe 155 00:05:56,824 --> 00:05:57,805 that was helpful. 156 00:05:58,185 --> 00:05:59,839 We don't we don't I don't know what 157 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,699 we're doing. So Yeah. Yeah. 158 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,159 Which I guess sometimes that that's a benefit. 159 00:06:04,159 --> 00:06:06,560 Other times, it makes it more difficult. Yeah. 160 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,000 Nice. Yeah. Very good. And, maybe just explain 161 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,314 the the demographics of your stake, how it's 162 00:06:13,514 --> 00:06:15,355 laid out in on the map and thing 163 00:06:15,754 --> 00:06:17,055 I wanna say we have 164 00:06:17,675 --> 00:06:20,475 a five hour boundary in the stake to 165 00:06:20,475 --> 00:06:22,714 go from one tip between five and six 166 00:06:22,714 --> 00:06:25,375 hours, I think. It's fairly large geographically, 167 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:29,850 very spread out. The state center is kind 168 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:30,750 of in the middle. 169 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:34,410 It extends West of Fort Worth, not quite 170 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:34,990 to Amarillo, 171 00:06:36,649 --> 00:06:37,870 and it goes north, 172 00:06:38,410 --> 00:06:38,910 and 173 00:06:40,644 --> 00:06:42,964 and then it goes way south. It's very 174 00:06:42,964 --> 00:06:43,464 large. 175 00:06:44,164 --> 00:06:46,485 Wow. Yeah. And so does that make, you 176 00:06:46,485 --> 00:06:48,584 know, visiting different wards pretty complicated? 177 00:06:49,284 --> 00:06:51,284 It's tough when you're trying to do the 178 00:06:51,284 --> 00:06:54,629 word conference schedules and Mhmm. You know? But 179 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:56,709 it's okay. It's alright. They they're pretty good 180 00:06:56,709 --> 00:06:58,470 about combining, like, if there's two words in 181 00:06:58,470 --> 00:07:00,550 the building, we'll do both of those at 182 00:07:00,550 --> 00:07:02,709 the same time. But Oh, wow. Yeah. It's 183 00:07:02,709 --> 00:07:03,209 nice. 184 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:05,269 And and then do you do you try 185 00:07:05,269 --> 00:07:05,769 and 186 00:07:06,069 --> 00:07:08,550 make regular visits different words, or are your 187 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:10,764 counselor spread out as well to help out? 188 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:12,365 Actually, we're kind of in the hub in 189 00:07:12,365 --> 00:07:13,805 the middle, so we're all 190 00:07:14,605 --> 00:07:16,365 we would all have to travel a little 191 00:07:16,365 --> 00:07:16,865 bit. 192 00:07:17,884 --> 00:07:20,205 Like I said, we're new. So we mostly 193 00:07:20,524 --> 00:07:22,305 we're trying to finish word conferences 194 00:07:22,685 --> 00:07:23,185 before 195 00:07:24,139 --> 00:07:26,560 the summer, June, July, August months. 196 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,339 But, like, I do have an issue in 197 00:07:29,339 --> 00:07:31,819 a word, and after general conference, I'll be 198 00:07:31,819 --> 00:07:34,379 traveling south. So, yes, we do try to 199 00:07:34,379 --> 00:07:35,519 visit. Awesome. 200 00:07:35,899 --> 00:07:37,360 Well, and anything else 201 00:07:37,660 --> 00:07:38,720 as far as the 202 00:07:39,914 --> 00:07:41,995 the uniqueness of your area, your ward, your 203 00:07:41,995 --> 00:07:44,095 stake, anything else that would be worth mentioning? 204 00:07:44,394 --> 00:07:46,254 It's very rural in some spots. 205 00:07:47,675 --> 00:07:49,914 Cowboy capital of the world, I think, is 206 00:07:49,914 --> 00:07:51,694 in one of the wards, and 207 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,080 I'm trying to think of some of the 208 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,319 other fun stuff. It's a great place. There's 209 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:59,120 just Texas is big, and in the main 210 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,540 city, sometimes there's a lot of highway. 211 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,360 So that's mostly 212 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:06,064 So is the I've gotta ask. Is the 213 00:08:06,064 --> 00:08:09,185 cowboy capital of the world, actual city or 214 00:08:09,345 --> 00:08:10,084 Yes. Stephenville. 215 00:08:10,464 --> 00:08:12,805 Yeah. They have, like, the cutting horses, and 216 00:08:13,024 --> 00:08:14,865 they train them down there. So If you 217 00:08:14,865 --> 00:08:16,805 need a good rodeo, maybe they have that. 218 00:08:17,024 --> 00:08:19,425 Yes. Yes. Lots of rodeo. Carlton is the 219 00:08:19,425 --> 00:08:21,000 a and m school down. There's the sister 220 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,740 school, and they, 221 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:24,520 they have the rodeo. They compete in the 222 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,639 rodeos. Yeah. Interesting. Alright. Super fun. I have 223 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:30,279 six boys, and they thoroughly enjoyed the rodeo 224 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:32,139 aspect of cowboy aspect 225 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,154 of living here. So yeah. 226 00:08:34,875 --> 00:08:37,435 That's awesome. Well, you you sent me a 227 00:08:37,435 --> 00:08:39,595 few principles that we'll sort of explore here 228 00:08:39,595 --> 00:08:41,134 that's maybe served you well. 229 00:08:42,075 --> 00:08:44,154 And, feel free to jump back and forth 230 00:08:44,154 --> 00:08:45,835 from stories from your time as on the 231 00:08:45,835 --> 00:08:47,769 word level or the stake level. I think, 232 00:08:47,929 --> 00:08:49,769 be beneficial all around. But the first one 233 00:08:49,769 --> 00:08:51,690 being one that I think we all think 234 00:08:51,690 --> 00:08:53,870 about, but it's maybe more complicated 235 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:55,370 than we'd like to make it, and that 236 00:08:55,370 --> 00:08:56,029 is delegating. 237 00:08:56,330 --> 00:08:58,009 How do you go about delegating, or what's 238 00:08:58,009 --> 00:08:59,230 your thoughts around delegation? 239 00:08:59,865 --> 00:09:00,345 I, 240 00:09:00,745 --> 00:09:01,245 I'm 241 00:09:01,705 --> 00:09:03,065 very busy. And, 242 00:09:04,105 --> 00:09:07,304 when they extended both calls to me, you 243 00:09:07,304 --> 00:09:08,904 know, you always think how am I gonna 244 00:09:08,904 --> 00:09:10,924 do this? I'm always happy to serve. 245 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,379 I have seven children. 246 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,340 I work more than full time. 247 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,379 My husband works. 248 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,580 My children are very involved in 249 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,420 events and activities. 250 00:09:25,745 --> 00:09:26,565 And so, 251 00:09:27,825 --> 00:09:28,325 I, 252 00:09:29,745 --> 00:09:32,085 coming out of COVID when I was called, 253 00:09:32,144 --> 00:09:33,445 you know, said 254 00:09:33,825 --> 00:09:36,304 I'm gonna need lots of help. And, I 255 00:09:36,304 --> 00:09:37,524 commute to Dallas, 256 00:09:38,450 --> 00:09:40,610 from where I live, and it's 70 miles 257 00:09:40,610 --> 00:09:41,269 one way 258 00:09:41,730 --> 00:09:44,129 for the job and then another 70 miles 259 00:09:44,129 --> 00:09:44,629 home. 260 00:09:45,250 --> 00:09:45,750 So, 261 00:09:46,290 --> 00:09:48,870 I just am not home a lot. So 262 00:09:49,410 --> 00:09:51,250 I knew that if I was going to 263 00:09:51,250 --> 00:09:52,529 be able to do this, I needed lots 264 00:09:52,529 --> 00:09:53,350 of help. So 265 00:09:53,705 --> 00:09:56,184 President Kimball had three counselors, so I asked 266 00:09:56,184 --> 00:09:57,004 for three counselors. 267 00:09:57,865 --> 00:10:00,504 Oh, really? I got three counselors. Yep. Oh, 268 00:10:00,504 --> 00:10:02,845 cool. And, put one over ministering, 269 00:10:03,225 --> 00:10:04,284 one over welfare, 270 00:10:04,985 --> 00:10:07,945 and one over the just servant activities, and 271 00:10:07,945 --> 00:10:09,325 that worked really well. 272 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,539 And then, I had two secretaries. 273 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,360 I just had a big board. I had 274 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,539 emergency preparedness person. I had, 275 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,699 ministering secretaries. 276 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,559 I just had I mean, the more more 277 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,159 hands in the pile are the lighter the 278 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:24,980 work. Right? 279 00:10:25,394 --> 00:10:25,894 So 280 00:10:26,355 --> 00:10:28,274 when you get a good rhythm going, and 281 00:10:28,274 --> 00:10:29,575 when you deviate the responsibilities, 282 00:10:30,514 --> 00:10:33,095 it flowed very smoothly. So, yeah, definitely, 283 00:10:33,634 --> 00:10:35,795 the more people you can involve in your 284 00:10:35,795 --> 00:10:38,035 calling, you know, I know the church just 285 00:10:38,035 --> 00:10:38,535 released 286 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,980 update to the general handbook, 287 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:43,980 indicating 288 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,679 more callings that are available under the relief 289 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:47,339 side heading. 290 00:10:47,959 --> 00:10:50,440 So I'm not saying I invented the callings, 291 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,034 but some of mine are in there. 292 00:10:52,995 --> 00:10:53,495 Nice. 293 00:10:54,115 --> 00:10:55,475 You're a little bit ahead of the curve 294 00:10:55,475 --> 00:10:56,694 there. That's great. 295 00:10:57,074 --> 00:10:58,754 Yeah. And then, you know, we I I 296 00:10:58,754 --> 00:11:00,434 love a good out of the box idea, 297 00:11:00,674 --> 00:11:02,115 but I love it even more when it's 298 00:11:02,115 --> 00:11:04,054 very simple. You know, actually, just call another 299 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,320 or get more people involved. Right. And that's, 300 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:08,960 will help a lot with delegation because sometimes 301 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,399 it could feel like, wow. You know, all 302 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:12,720 of our plates are full. Yes. Who who 303 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,480 who can take one more thing rather than 304 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:15,840 You know, I've only been to do just 305 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,840 a little bit, and it's so fun to 306 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,125 work together and have that, you know, rubbing 307 00:11:20,125 --> 00:11:22,304 our working our shoulders together, whatever that song 308 00:11:22,524 --> 00:11:25,245 is. But, the work gets done. So yeah. 309 00:11:25,245 --> 00:11:27,565 Yeah. That's awesome. Is there any other, 310 00:11:28,205 --> 00:11:29,884 dynamic to that? It'd be worth mentioning as 311 00:11:29,884 --> 00:11:31,725 far as having three counselors. I mean, is 312 00:11:31,725 --> 00:11:34,125 it just or just basically more people are 313 00:11:34,125 --> 00:11:37,129 involved? More people are involved. There actually isn't 314 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:38,730 a 315 00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:40,009 computer 316 00:11:40,549 --> 00:11:43,029 spot for it. So you can't click on 317 00:11:43,029 --> 00:11:44,789 as, like, a third counselor as a calling. 318 00:11:44,789 --> 00:11:45,289 But 319 00:11:46,549 --> 00:11:48,615 one ward, you know, has a very large 320 00:11:48,855 --> 00:11:51,894 Spanish contingency, and we're actually counseling with the 321 00:11:51,894 --> 00:11:53,995 president there to have a 322 00:11:54,375 --> 00:11:56,695 counselor over the Spanish ladies in the Relief 323 00:11:56,695 --> 00:11:57,674 Society. So 324 00:11:58,615 --> 00:12:00,774 like I said, president Kimball was able to 325 00:12:00,774 --> 00:12:03,700 do it. Or Yeah. Yeah. So well, so 326 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:05,180 tell me about the skill sets. So what 327 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:06,679 what are you doing? You guys skill sets? 328 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:09,320 Skill sets, 329 00:12:10,259 --> 00:12:12,039 like, I'm a piano player, 330 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:14,120 and it's not my thing, 331 00:12:14,445 --> 00:12:15,424 But my mom 332 00:12:15,725 --> 00:12:18,684 gave me that gift through piano lessons. And 333 00:12:18,684 --> 00:12:20,684 when you when you like a typical Latter 334 00:12:20,684 --> 00:12:21,345 day Saint, 335 00:12:21,845 --> 00:12:24,285 a praying. Convert. So this is, like, all 336 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:26,684 new exciting to her. But when you move 337 00:12:26,684 --> 00:12:28,365 to different wards and they find out you're 338 00:12:28,365 --> 00:12:30,450 a piano player, like, that's your calling. 339 00:12:30,910 --> 00:12:33,149 And so I literally would spend my whole 340 00:12:33,149 --> 00:12:35,389 life being a piano organ player, and to 341 00:12:35,389 --> 00:12:38,029 me, that's not a calling. So that's a 342 00:12:38,029 --> 00:12:39,870 skill set I have. I'm happy to share 343 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:40,370 it. 344 00:12:40,764 --> 00:12:42,684 And so in terms of being a leader 345 00:12:42,684 --> 00:12:45,245 in the ward, people have those kind of 346 00:12:45,245 --> 00:12:47,485 skill sets, but it it shouldn't be like 347 00:12:47,485 --> 00:12:49,245 a calling. It should just be when you 348 00:12:49,245 --> 00:12:51,164 need that skill set. So I love the 349 00:12:51,164 --> 00:12:52,464 umbrella of the church 350 00:12:52,860 --> 00:12:55,899 social services program. It's life help, and they 351 00:12:55,899 --> 00:12:59,279 put everything under there, like, mental health, pregnancy, 352 00:12:59,659 --> 00:13:00,639 emergency preparedness, 353 00:13:01,019 --> 00:13:01,519 finances, 354 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:04,634 anything anything that helps you with 355 00:13:05,195 --> 00:13:06,894 a non spiritual side of life. 356 00:13:08,154 --> 00:13:08,815 And so 357 00:13:09,274 --> 00:13:09,774 I 358 00:13:10,394 --> 00:13:13,835 just asked some people that had specific skill 359 00:13:13,835 --> 00:13:15,915 sets. They would be on my life help 360 00:13:15,915 --> 00:13:18,315 committee. They're really good with finances. You do 361 00:13:18,315 --> 00:13:19,820 this for a job. If we have an 362 00:13:19,820 --> 00:13:21,500 individual that needs some counseling, would you be 363 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:22,240 able to help? 364 00:13:22,779 --> 00:13:25,100 Or you have all the muscles. You have 365 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:27,019 trailers. You have trucks. You have a lot 366 00:13:27,019 --> 00:13:28,539 of boys. Can we put you on the 367 00:13:28,539 --> 00:13:30,079 moving committee? You know? 368 00:13:30,620 --> 00:13:33,465 And just activate the life help committee when 369 00:13:33,465 --> 00:13:35,144 you need some help, you know, depending on 370 00:13:35,144 --> 00:13:37,544 what the skill set is. So Yeah. It 371 00:13:37,544 --> 00:13:39,384 doesn't have to be a calling per se. 372 00:13:39,384 --> 00:13:41,784 You can be a committee member, but I'm 373 00:13:41,784 --> 00:13:42,284 fully, 374 00:13:43,304 --> 00:13:44,365 all about using 375 00:13:45,049 --> 00:13:47,309 skills and talents that people have 376 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:50,250 when there's a need. And don't don't reinvent 377 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:50,909 the wheel. 378 00:13:51,449 --> 00:13:53,769 Don't make someone learn about finances because you 379 00:13:53,769 --> 00:13:56,350 want them to be a finance person unless 380 00:13:56,409 --> 00:13:58,089 that's really inspired or something. But if you 381 00:13:58,089 --> 00:13:59,529 have a short term need, use someone that 382 00:13:59,529 --> 00:14:01,985 has finances. So yeah. Yeah. That's great. You 383 00:14:01,985 --> 00:14:03,985 know, almost like a, you know, a Bishop 384 00:14:03,985 --> 00:14:06,225 storehouse or at least study storehouse of skills. 385 00:14:06,225 --> 00:14:07,745 Right? Yeah. And you might as well drop 386 00:14:07,745 --> 00:14:09,424 on them. Yeah. Like And they already exist. 387 00:14:09,424 --> 00:14:10,944 If you have a tornado, you want the 388 00:14:10,944 --> 00:14:12,784 guys that have the chainsaws, right, to come 389 00:14:12,784 --> 00:14:14,500 out and help people get cut out of 390 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:15,000 their 391 00:14:15,379 --> 00:14:16,980 trees that have fallen down. You're not gonna 392 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:19,220 be calling Sister Jones on a walker. You 393 00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:20,519 know? Hey. Yeah. 394 00:14:21,299 --> 00:14:22,919 Better learn how to use a chainsaw. 395 00:14:24,899 --> 00:14:27,480 Yes. That's your calling. Oh, that's interesting. 396 00:14:28,294 --> 00:14:30,375 And is there a specific way you, like, 397 00:14:30,375 --> 00:14:32,375 gather that information? Do you survey people? Do 398 00:14:32,375 --> 00:14:34,294 you just ask around? Or If I was 399 00:14:34,294 --> 00:14:35,975 new in the word, I would definitely have 400 00:14:35,975 --> 00:14:37,254 to do that. You know, we've been here 401 00:14:37,254 --> 00:14:38,634 ten years. So 402 00:14:39,174 --> 00:14:41,629 three, four years ago, I was comfortable, 403 00:14:41,930 --> 00:14:44,330 you know, knowing who did what, what their 404 00:14:44,330 --> 00:14:47,450 jobs were. You can always ask. Counselors know. 405 00:14:47,450 --> 00:14:50,009 You know? You have a nice list under 406 00:14:50,009 --> 00:14:51,690 that life help umbrella, and if you just 407 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:53,370 go down, people will give you the names 408 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:55,794 that you need. Yeah. And, I'm currently serving 409 00:14:55,794 --> 00:14:57,634 as elders corps president. I actually tried this 410 00:14:57,634 --> 00:14:59,715 this past Sunday from when we're recording as 411 00:14:59,715 --> 00:15:00,455 far as, 412 00:15:01,394 --> 00:15:04,195 basically, it's for our beginning council session. I 413 00:15:04,195 --> 00:15:05,654 said, let's let's process 414 00:15:06,350 --> 00:15:08,190 what what's the skill set that you have 415 00:15:08,190 --> 00:15:09,710 that you could bring to the ward or 416 00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:10,929 make available because, 417 00:15:11,790 --> 00:15:13,550 you know, there's all sorts of different, you 418 00:15:13,550 --> 00:15:15,870 know, skill sets. And then, then I also 419 00:15:15,870 --> 00:15:17,250 said and also 420 00:15:17,950 --> 00:15:18,450 articulate 421 00:15:18,830 --> 00:15:21,134 what boundary you have there. Right? So you 422 00:15:21,134 --> 00:15:23,215 may be an electrician and someone's having an 423 00:15:23,215 --> 00:15:25,455 electrical issue. Yeah. You'll come take a look 424 00:15:25,455 --> 00:15:27,134 and see if you can diagnose it. But 425 00:15:27,134 --> 00:15:27,634 if, 426 00:15:28,415 --> 00:15:30,175 you know, that person isn't going to, you 427 00:15:30,175 --> 00:15:32,335 know, wire your entire basement, you know, if 428 00:15:32,335 --> 00:15:34,575 you're refinishing your basement or something. Right? Oh, 429 00:15:34,575 --> 00:15:36,980 no. Just because some advice and, you know, 430 00:15:36,980 --> 00:15:39,059 help them get through that. Yeah. So I 431 00:15:39,059 --> 00:15:41,299 I just love, like, engaging people with that 432 00:15:41,299 --> 00:15:42,500 of saying, you know, what do you have 433 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:43,779 to offer? Because there's a lot of things 434 00:15:43,779 --> 00:15:45,700 I have that, you know, I'm happy to 435 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:47,299 offer, but a lot of times people don't 436 00:15:47,299 --> 00:15:48,580 think of it or they don't they're not 437 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:50,100 aware of it. Right. You know? So Right. 438 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,584 So digging that stuff out is super fun 439 00:15:52,964 --> 00:15:54,964 when you learn that about people. We we 440 00:15:54,964 --> 00:15:55,605 would try to do 441 00:15:57,125 --> 00:15:58,725 I don't know. Maybe the first year we 442 00:15:58,725 --> 00:16:00,404 did a get to know you, and we'd 443 00:16:00,404 --> 00:16:02,485 have them stand up and try to ask 444 00:16:02,485 --> 00:16:04,009 some of those leading questions. What do you 445 00:16:04,009 --> 00:16:05,290 like to do? What do you wish you 446 00:16:05,290 --> 00:16:06,809 could do? You know, just to get to 447 00:16:06,809 --> 00:16:09,049 know them better, but we can use that 448 00:16:09,049 --> 00:16:11,290 as a venue to add to your skill 449 00:16:11,290 --> 00:16:13,850 sets. That's cool. Yeah. Any anything else around 450 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:15,450 skill sets, or do we cover it pretty 451 00:16:15,450 --> 00:16:17,485 well? That's pretty good. Yeah. 452 00:16:17,865 --> 00:16:19,465 But just knowing the skill sets that you 453 00:16:19,465 --> 00:16:19,965 have 454 00:16:20,665 --> 00:16:23,065 and when it's needed does make your job 455 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:25,625 easier. Is that dog Yeah. The c two 456 00:16:25,625 --> 00:16:27,705 out? No. It's fine. People know you're human 457 00:16:27,705 --> 00:16:28,605 and you have dogs. 458 00:16:29,465 --> 00:16:31,085 So there's a real person here. Yeah. 459 00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:35,029 Alright. Next principle, tell me about inclusion. What 460 00:16:35,029 --> 00:16:36,009 do you mean by inclusion? 461 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:41,370 Just finding a way to include everybody. So 462 00:16:42,309 --> 00:16:45,509 when my parents were investigating the church in 463 00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:46,009 Massachusetts, 464 00:16:47,464 --> 00:16:48,125 My mom 465 00:16:48,985 --> 00:16:51,865 loved it, but she would not progress without 466 00:16:51,865 --> 00:16:52,445 my dad 467 00:16:52,824 --> 00:16:53,485 who was 468 00:16:54,024 --> 00:16:55,725 a chain smoking, drinking, 469 00:16:56,424 --> 00:16:58,524 gamble on the weekends, law enforcement 470 00:16:59,330 --> 00:16:59,830 guy. 471 00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:02,210 And, so she said, I'll go to church 472 00:17:02,210 --> 00:17:04,049 without you until you can, you know, catch 473 00:17:04,049 --> 00:17:06,130 up kind of thing. Well, he got tired 474 00:17:06,130 --> 00:17:07,809 of sitting on one of his few days 475 00:17:07,809 --> 00:17:10,049 off at home alone for the go to 476 00:17:10,049 --> 00:17:12,484 church, come back, go back to church, come 477 00:17:12,484 --> 00:17:14,804 back, you know that extended three hour block 478 00:17:14,804 --> 00:17:17,065 meeting, and so he finally started going. But 479 00:17:17,444 --> 00:17:18,184 you know, 480 00:17:19,044 --> 00:17:20,964 do you remember that talk by, 481 00:17:22,565 --> 00:17:23,625 President Hinckley? 482 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:29,380 Every member every convert needs a friend responsibility. 483 00:17:30,159 --> 00:17:31,839 And the nourishment of the good word of 484 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,179 God. Yeah. He was talking about my dad. 485 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:36,659 He had learned my father's Convergent story 486 00:17:37,444 --> 00:17:40,565 and that, yes. So my dad was called 487 00:17:40,565 --> 00:17:41,704 without being a member 488 00:17:42,085 --> 00:17:43,545 an assistant scout master 489 00:17:44,085 --> 00:17:46,005 and so he would go off on, you 490 00:17:46,005 --> 00:17:48,005 know, mutual night and do things with the 491 00:17:48,005 --> 00:17:49,625 boys, made some friends, 492 00:17:50,325 --> 00:17:52,670 he would go off on camp outs, bond 493 00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:53,490 some more 494 00:17:53,950 --> 00:17:54,269 and, 495 00:17:54,910 --> 00:17:57,569 and so I fully believe because not everybody 496 00:17:57,630 --> 00:17:59,150 is ready to go to the temple and 497 00:17:59,150 --> 00:18:01,309 relief society and maybe some can't even have 498 00:18:01,309 --> 00:18:04,190 callings, but they can have a kind of 499 00:18:04,190 --> 00:18:04,690 calling. 500 00:18:05,255 --> 00:18:07,815 So everybody could have a job and be 501 00:18:07,815 --> 00:18:08,315 included 502 00:18:08,615 --> 00:18:09,674 no matter what 503 00:18:11,174 --> 00:18:13,174 spot they are on the covenant path, and 504 00:18:13,174 --> 00:18:16,375 so I'm eternally grateful obviously for that little 505 00:18:16,375 --> 00:18:17,755 branch in Massachusetts 506 00:18:18,134 --> 00:18:18,634 that 507 00:18:19,095 --> 00:18:20,475 befriended my parents. 508 00:18:21,789 --> 00:18:23,070 Yeah. So I I have to ask, do 509 00:18:23,070 --> 00:18:25,070 you know how president Hinckley found out about 510 00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:27,150 your dad and his his conversion? Or 511 00:18:27,470 --> 00:18:29,789 President Hinckley loved my father. He was a 512 00:18:29,789 --> 00:18:30,930 police chief in Massachusetts, 513 00:18:31,309 --> 00:18:33,390 and often he would come to do, like, 514 00:18:33,390 --> 00:18:33,890 regional 515 00:18:35,025 --> 00:18:36,164 youth firesides 516 00:18:36,545 --> 00:18:37,025 or, 517 00:18:37,505 --> 00:18:39,765 trying to find land for the Boston temple. 518 00:18:40,384 --> 00:18:42,305 Oh, wow. And liked driving with my dad 519 00:18:42,305 --> 00:18:43,825 because he had put on the lights for 520 00:18:43,825 --> 00:18:45,205 him and go a little faster. 521 00:18:47,950 --> 00:18:50,269 Inside adrenaline junkies or something. I don't know. 522 00:18:50,269 --> 00:18:52,029 They they felt the need for speed. They're 523 00:18:52,029 --> 00:18:54,269 funny together. They both love to laugh. They 524 00:18:54,269 --> 00:18:55,950 have the same kind of humor. He just 525 00:18:55,950 --> 00:18:57,009 loved my father, 526 00:18:57,869 --> 00:18:59,789 in the limited contact that he had, but 527 00:18:59,789 --> 00:19:02,430 he did come out looking for the Hartford, 528 00:19:02,430 --> 00:19:02,930 Connecticut 529 00:19:03,295 --> 00:19:04,835 land, and they were very frustrated. 530 00:19:05,535 --> 00:19:07,214 Every time they would find a plot, they 531 00:19:07,214 --> 00:19:09,375 would find an Indian artifact or they would 532 00:19:09,375 --> 00:19:12,575 find some extinct animal or an endangered animal, 533 00:19:12,575 --> 00:19:14,595 and so they met as a 534 00:19:14,974 --> 00:19:15,474 regional 535 00:19:17,230 --> 00:19:19,789 coordinating council, I think, of state presidents. And 536 00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:21,089 my dad said, well, 537 00:19:21,470 --> 00:19:22,990 one of my units he was a state 538 00:19:22,990 --> 00:19:25,230 president. One of my units has some land 539 00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:26,910 behind the chapel. Well, let's go. And he 540 00:19:26,910 --> 00:19:29,069 hopped in the car and anyway, so that's 541 00:19:29,069 --> 00:19:30,769 how it came out. He asked my father. 542 00:19:31,184 --> 00:19:32,784 So by the time your father met him, 543 00:19:32,784 --> 00:19:35,184 your your father had been baptized and was 544 00:19:35,184 --> 00:19:36,865 in a church family? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 545 00:19:36,865 --> 00:19:39,184 Fascinating. Love love those backstories. I appreciate you 546 00:19:39,184 --> 00:19:39,924 sharing that. 547 00:19:41,505 --> 00:19:43,505 And anything else around inclusion that we haven't 548 00:19:43,505 --> 00:19:46,309 hit on? So just use use everybody. Everybody 549 00:19:46,369 --> 00:19:48,609 wants a job. Everybody needs a job, and 550 00:19:48,609 --> 00:19:50,450 you make friends when you work together. So 551 00:19:50,529 --> 00:19:52,289 yeah. No. That's a great great thing to 552 00:19:52,289 --> 00:19:54,529 do when you're in leadership position. Don't try 553 00:19:54,529 --> 00:19:56,849 to do it by yourself at all. There's 554 00:19:56,849 --> 00:19:58,470 so many people out there that can 555 00:19:59,174 --> 00:20:01,095 maybe even do it better than you, but 556 00:20:01,095 --> 00:20:02,634 you won't know. Yeah. 557 00:20:03,255 --> 00:20:05,495 And then, finally, tell me about instruction. How 558 00:20:05,495 --> 00:20:07,815 do you implement instruction as a relief study 559 00:20:07,815 --> 00:20:08,315 president? 560 00:20:09,174 --> 00:20:09,674 I 561 00:20:09,975 --> 00:20:11,255 I am not a, 562 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:15,660 have desert book stuff all over my walls 563 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,059 kind of member. I'm not in Utah. 564 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,359 Sometimes I feel like I'm not a normal 565 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,900 member. I don't know, 566 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,380 but I love the gospel, 567 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:26,920 and I think you just need to be 568 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,420 you. 569 00:20:27,845 --> 00:20:30,164 And what the gospel is to me might 570 00:20:30,164 --> 00:20:31,865 help somebody else, you know, 571 00:20:33,205 --> 00:20:34,585 in my area. So, 572 00:20:36,085 --> 00:20:36,984 I share 573 00:20:37,365 --> 00:20:37,865 experiences 574 00:20:38,565 --> 00:20:40,244 kind of like Jesus did. You know, he 575 00:20:40,244 --> 00:20:41,169 had parables 576 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:43,230 that were related to the people he was 577 00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:43,730 teaching, 578 00:20:44,349 --> 00:20:44,849 and 579 00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:46,909 I think that's a great way to get 580 00:20:46,909 --> 00:20:47,409 a 581 00:20:47,869 --> 00:20:49,089 gospel principle across. 582 00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:51,970 So my father was very good at this, 583 00:20:52,109 --> 00:20:53,250 and he would have 584 00:20:53,684 --> 00:20:57,304 little lessons on turning anything into an analogy 585 00:20:57,444 --> 00:21:00,105 or a parable related to a gospel principle. 586 00:21:00,644 --> 00:21:00,884 And, 587 00:21:01,924 --> 00:21:03,764 and when you and and the the general 588 00:21:03,764 --> 00:21:05,605 authorities do it, you know, they'll take something 589 00:21:05,605 --> 00:21:07,750 that happens in their lives or family members' 590 00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:09,829 lives, and they'll use that as the beginning 591 00:21:09,829 --> 00:21:11,829 or foundation of their talk and expand from 592 00:21:11,829 --> 00:21:12,569 there. So 593 00:21:12,869 --> 00:21:14,390 that's kind of what I mean by the 594 00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:16,950 instruction that you give. You know? Everyone has 595 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:19,555 something to offer. You don't feel like you 596 00:21:19,555 --> 00:21:21,475 don't have anything to offer. I love teachers 597 00:21:21,475 --> 00:21:23,975 that can stand up there and share something 598 00:21:24,035 --> 00:21:26,535 that's so difficult in their lives 599 00:21:27,075 --> 00:21:29,475 and what got them through it. You know? 600 00:21:29,475 --> 00:21:31,414 It makes it very real. So 601 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:32,880 make your instruction 602 00:21:33,339 --> 00:21:35,759 when you instruct just very real 603 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:38,799 and use you. Because if you're using you, 604 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:40,000 then 605 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:41,440 it's true. 606 00:21:42,460 --> 00:21:44,859 I'm not, like, using somebody else's story. It's 607 00:21:44,859 --> 00:21:45,819 me. You know? And 608 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:48,174 That's right. And and I love that, 609 00:21:49,115 --> 00:21:51,695 reference to, like, Christ and his parables of, 610 00:21:51,755 --> 00:21:54,234 you know, often he used parables as as 611 00:21:54,234 --> 00:21:56,315 we know. He used parables that were very 612 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,634 applicable to the common man of his time. 613 00:21:58,634 --> 00:22:00,569 Right? Okay. So I feel like I need 614 00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:02,430 to give you an example. Here's an example. 615 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:05,849 Let's say when I am working up in 616 00:22:05,849 --> 00:22:09,069 Dallas, there's stuff that's dropped on the freeway 617 00:22:09,369 --> 00:22:11,450 all the time. I didn't say the most 618 00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:11,950 common 619 00:22:12,845 --> 00:22:13,345 debris 620 00:22:13,724 --> 00:22:15,184 on the freeway is mattresses, 621 00:22:15,884 --> 00:22:18,525 maybe followed by or maybe actually metal ladders, 622 00:22:18,525 --> 00:22:20,325 construction ladders, and then mattresses. 623 00:22:20,765 --> 00:22:23,664 My guess. Yeah. Ladders, mattresses, and then, like, 624 00:22:23,965 --> 00:22:24,465 furniture, 625 00:22:25,005 --> 00:22:26,865 like washing machines, refrigerators, 626 00:22:27,244 --> 00:22:29,599 just stuff that drops. And when you get 627 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:31,919 those traffic hazards on the highways and people 628 00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:34,160 are going seventy, eighty miles an hour and 629 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:34,900 then when 630 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:36,980 there's, you know, this 631 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:37,859 obstruction, 632 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,720 it can be very dangerous. So we try 633 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,419 to respond very quickly 634 00:22:43,134 --> 00:22:45,875 and get the debris moved off the highway. 635 00:22:46,015 --> 00:22:48,575 It keeps the traffic flowing. It keeps people 636 00:22:48,575 --> 00:22:49,794 safe, you know? 637 00:22:50,414 --> 00:22:50,494 And, 638 00:22:51,535 --> 00:22:53,054 I don't know. Well, let's see. Pick a 639 00:22:53,054 --> 00:22:54,914 topic. We can relate it to repentance, 640 00:22:55,214 --> 00:22:57,075 you know, trying to get the debris, 641 00:22:57,779 --> 00:23:00,180 big or small objects, and the damage it 642 00:23:00,180 --> 00:23:02,580 might do if we encounter the, you know, 643 00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:05,539 big debris like pornography or a little debris 644 00:23:05,539 --> 00:23:06,039 like, 645 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:09,320 not thinking kind thoughts about my spouse 646 00:23:09,859 --> 00:23:12,525 or something. I don't know. You know? You 647 00:23:12,525 --> 00:23:14,765 know, you've got to get that debris off 648 00:23:14,765 --> 00:23:15,984 those arteries. 649 00:23:16,285 --> 00:23:17,664 You know, the clogged highways. 650 00:23:18,285 --> 00:23:19,325 I don't know if that was kind of 651 00:23:19,325 --> 00:23:21,244 the cook one. Yeah. And so you're always 652 00:23:21,244 --> 00:23:23,585 kinda looking for those those real life examples. 653 00:23:24,125 --> 00:23:26,799 Yes. Number one, it makes everybody kinda sit 654 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:28,640 up and listen, you know, and they always 655 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,079 wanna know the end of the story, I 656 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:32,000 guess. So Yeah. That's true. I mean, I 657 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,079 was kinda curious what the most common items 658 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:34,980 were. So 659 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:36,579 that's great. 660 00:23:36,955 --> 00:23:39,914 Awesome. Well, any other point principle, story, concept 661 00:23:39,914 --> 00:23:41,595 we need to make sure we cover before 662 00:23:41,595 --> 00:23:43,215 we wrap up or I 663 00:23:43,994 --> 00:23:45,215 love that we get 664 00:23:45,755 --> 00:23:46,255 instruction 665 00:23:46,795 --> 00:23:47,295 from 666 00:23:48,075 --> 00:23:49,775 the general leaders of the church, 667 00:23:50,315 --> 00:23:50,815 and 668 00:23:51,509 --> 00:23:54,230 I think especially as you are in leadership 669 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:54,730 positions, 670 00:23:55,589 --> 00:23:57,690 it gives you a framework 671 00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:59,910 that maybe you don't have if you're all 672 00:23:59,910 --> 00:24:01,049 by yourself. Right? 673 00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:02,329 So we have, 674 00:24:02,869 --> 00:24:03,849 general conference. 675 00:24:04,605 --> 00:24:07,105 We recently had the Relief Society broadcast, 676 00:24:07,484 --> 00:24:07,984 and 677 00:24:08,765 --> 00:24:11,164 I I I I'm old. I've been doing 678 00:24:11,164 --> 00:24:12,785 those for a long time. 679 00:24:13,325 --> 00:24:13,644 And, 680 00:24:14,125 --> 00:24:15,424 they said something 681 00:24:15,804 --> 00:24:17,025 I have never 682 00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:18,319 heard before. 683 00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:21,419 And, and you can go listen, but they 684 00:24:21,419 --> 00:24:22,559 talked about how, 685 00:24:25,339 --> 00:24:26,960 Relief Society is 686 00:24:27,740 --> 00:24:28,400 an ancient 687 00:24:28,859 --> 00:24:29,359 order 688 00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:30,640 of women. 689 00:24:31,784 --> 00:24:34,585 And ancient to me doesn't mean Joseph Smith 690 00:24:34,585 --> 00:24:35,085 time. 691 00:24:35,384 --> 00:24:36,125 It means 692 00:24:36,664 --> 00:24:37,164 ancient. 693 00:24:37,704 --> 00:24:40,024 So like Jesus Christ time. And I just 694 00:24:40,024 --> 00:24:43,244 love that concept that women were working together 695 00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:46,450 way before the church was reorganized. Never really 696 00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:47,349 thought about that. 697 00:24:47,809 --> 00:24:50,150 And that makes what we do even 698 00:24:50,529 --> 00:24:51,029 bigger 699 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,570 to me, you know, to have that much 700 00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:57,494 history behind women serving and working together. So 701 00:24:57,494 --> 00:24:59,494 I love that. I love that we have 702 00:24:59,494 --> 00:25:00,234 that instruction, 703 00:25:01,654 --> 00:25:04,154 that can give us like little inspired moments, 704 00:25:04,295 --> 00:25:07,015 maybe direction of where we need to lead 705 00:25:07,015 --> 00:25:07,335 or, 706 00:25:07,855 --> 00:25:08,875 you know, 707 00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:11,575 help with issues that we may be having. 708 00:25:11,575 --> 00:25:12,474 I just love 709 00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:15,299 that we can gather together and get some 710 00:25:15,299 --> 00:25:15,799 inspiration 711 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:18,039 on a regular basis. 712 00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:20,440 So Yeah. Take advantage of it. 713 00:25:21,059 --> 00:25:22,580 Love it. Well, this has been great, Amy 714 00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:25,365 Jo. I appreciate you, sharing your perspective and 715 00:25:25,684 --> 00:25:28,005 the uniqueness of your area and the the 716 00:25:28,085 --> 00:25:30,085 all the tips and tricks and and it's 717 00:25:30,085 --> 00:25:32,085 been awesome. So last question I have for 718 00:25:32,085 --> 00:25:33,525 you is you reflect on your time as 719 00:25:33,525 --> 00:25:34,964 a leader both on the ward level and 720 00:25:34,964 --> 00:25:36,484 now on the stake level. How has being 721 00:25:36,484 --> 00:25:38,884 a leader helped you become a better follower 722 00:25:38,884 --> 00:25:39,865 of Jesus Christ? 723 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:43,569 I would say this right off the bat, 724 00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:48,269 because in a leadership position, you are more 725 00:25:48,269 --> 00:25:50,210 aware of others' struggles 726 00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:51,730 that, 727 00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:54,369 you are privy to. 728 00:25:56,434 --> 00:25:58,595 And, and then in a state position, you 729 00:25:58,595 --> 00:26:00,934 have multiple units with multiple, 730 00:26:01,955 --> 00:26:03,255 you know, individuals 731 00:26:03,634 --> 00:26:05,735 where you are given information 732 00:26:06,595 --> 00:26:09,015 where people are struggling or how they're struggling 733 00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:09,720 or, 734 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:11,500 whatever. And, 735 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:15,339 number one, 736 00:26:16,919 --> 00:26:20,200 grateful for my own trials and tribulations and 737 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,179 struggles, and, 738 00:26:22,325 --> 00:26:24,565 you know, what they go through is way 739 00:26:24,565 --> 00:26:26,164 more than I would want to go through. 740 00:26:26,164 --> 00:26:28,005 And I think most people feel that way, 741 00:26:28,005 --> 00:26:29,365 but then you look at them and think 742 00:26:29,365 --> 00:26:31,365 how are they doing it, you know? And 743 00:26:31,365 --> 00:26:32,325 I know that, 744 00:26:33,845 --> 00:26:34,825 watching people 745 00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:35,990 succeed 746 00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:37,589 through these issues, 747 00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:39,990 Because of the Gospel is a 748 00:26:40,690 --> 00:26:43,890 testimony builder and helps me become a more 749 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:45,670 avid follower of Jesus 750 00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:46,630 Christ. 751 00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:48,150 I 752 00:26:49,285 --> 00:26:50,184 I am a 753 00:26:52,325 --> 00:26:54,724 mimicker. Like, if I see something I like, 754 00:26:54,724 --> 00:26:56,724 then I'll copy it. So if I see 755 00:26:56,724 --> 00:26:58,345 someone go through struggles 756 00:26:58,644 --> 00:27:00,805 and figure out or talk to them or 757 00:27:00,805 --> 00:27:01,440 figure out, 758 00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:03,839 like, what they're doing and how they did 759 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:05,440 it and what helped them get through it, 760 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,440 then I wanna know so I can apply 761 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,599 that in my life too. So I think 762 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,779 being a leader and watching others 763 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,359 come through the other end of difficulties is 764 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,099 very rewarding 765 00:27:16,774 --> 00:27:17,515 and cements 766 00:27:17,974 --> 00:27:20,234 the beliefs that I have more. 767 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,220 And that concludes this How I Lead 768 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:37,920 interview. I hope you enjoyed it. And, I 769 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,599 would ask you, could you take a minute 770 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:41,519 and drop this link in an email, on 771 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:43,884 social media, in a text, wherever it makes 772 00:27:43,884 --> 00:27:45,484 the most sense, and share it with somebody 773 00:27:45,484 --> 00:27:48,525 who could relate to this experience. And this 774 00:27:48,525 --> 00:27:50,684 is how we develop as leaders, just hearing 775 00:27:50,684 --> 00:27:52,204 what the other guy is doing, trying some 776 00:27:52,204 --> 00:27:53,744 things out, testing, adjusting 777 00:27:54,125 --> 00:27:55,244 for your area, and, 778 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,200 that's where great leadership's discovered. Right? So we 779 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,360 would love to have you, share this with, 780 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,340 somebody in this calling or a related calling, 781 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,400 and that would be great. And also if 782 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,299 you know somebody, 783 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,600 any type of leader who would be a 784 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,700 fantastic guest on the how I lead segment, 785 00:28:11,204 --> 00:28:13,944 reach out to us. Go to leadingsaints.org/contact. 786 00:28:14,244 --> 00:28:16,565 Maybe send this in individual an email letting 787 00:28:16,565 --> 00:28:18,565 them know that you're going to be suggesting 788 00:28:18,565 --> 00:28:20,804 their name for this interview. We'll reach out 789 00:28:20,804 --> 00:28:21,924 to them and, 790 00:28:22,404 --> 00:28:23,525 see if we can line them up. So, 791 00:28:23,525 --> 00:28:25,944 again, go to leadingsaints.org/contact, 792 00:28:26,099 --> 00:28:27,960 and there you can submit all the information 793 00:28:28,339 --> 00:28:29,940 and let us know. And maybe they will 794 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:31,700 be on a future How I Lead segment 795 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,319 on the Leading Saints podcast. 796 00:28:33,859 --> 00:28:36,179 Remember, up your teaching game by listening to 797 00:28:36,179 --> 00:28:46,515 the David Farnsworth presentation by visiting leadingsaints.org/fourteen. 798 00:28:48,174 --> 00:28:50,755 It came as a result of the position 799 00:28:50,815 --> 00:28:53,714 of leadership which was imposed upon us 800 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,960 by the God of heaven who brought forth 801 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,859 a restoration 802 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,420 of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 803 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,019 And when the declaration 804 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,740 was made concerning the only 805 00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:07,839 true and living Church upon the face of 806 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:08,500 the earth, 807 00:29:08,984 --> 00:29:11,644 We were immediately put in a position of 808 00:29:11,785 --> 00:29:12,285 loneliness, 809 00:29:12,664 --> 00:29:14,285 the loneliness of leadership 810 00:29:15,065 --> 00:29:18,204 from which we cannot shrink nor run away, 811 00:29:19,144 --> 00:29:21,625 and to which we must face up with 812 00:29:21,625 --> 00:29:23,164 boldness and courage 813 00:29:23,573 --> 00:29:24,073 and 814 00:29:24,555 --> 00:29:25,055 ability.