1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:07,919 Anthony Sweat has easily become one of my 2 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:10,719 favorite BYU professors to interview. He's been on 3 00:00:10,719 --> 00:00:12,960 the podcast several times, and he also has 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,355 a remarkable presentation about ambiguity of doctrine doctrine 5 00:00:16,355 --> 00:00:19,574 in our Questioning Saints virtual library. He discusses 6 00:00:19,635 --> 00:00:22,434 healthy and unhealthy ways we approach doctrine, how 7 00:00:22,434 --> 00:00:24,994 to help others reconcile doctrine they find difficult 8 00:00:24,994 --> 00:00:26,135 to believe, especially 9 00:00:26,515 --> 00:00:28,510 when we don't know much about it. You 10 00:00:28,510 --> 00:00:30,989 can watch professor Sweatt's entire interview in the 11 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:32,450 questioning saints library 12 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:35,729 by going to leadingsaints.org/fourteen. 13 00:00:36,030 --> 00:00:38,030 This will give you access for fourteen days 14 00:00:38,030 --> 00:00:40,049 at no cost to watch this presentation. 15 00:00:40,475 --> 00:00:42,554 You'll be better prepared as a leader when 16 00:00:42,554 --> 00:00:43,215 you do. 17 00:00:58,049 --> 00:01:00,449 So you're checking us out as maybe a 18 00:01:00,449 --> 00:01:03,170 potential podcast you could start listening to. I 19 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:04,769 know many of you have been listening for 20 00:01:04,769 --> 00:01:06,369 a long time, but let me just talk 21 00:01:06,369 --> 00:01:08,290 to the newbies for a minute. What is 22 00:01:08,290 --> 00:01:09,890 Leading Saints? What are we trying to do 23 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:11,430 here with this podcast? 24 00:01:11,765 --> 00:01:13,924 Well, let me explain. Leading Saints is a 25 00:01:13,924 --> 00:01:14,424 nonprofit 26 00:01:14,805 --> 00:01:16,805 organization. A five zero one c three is 27 00:01:16,805 --> 00:01:19,125 what they call it, and we have a 28 00:01:19,125 --> 00:01:19,625 mission 29 00:01:20,164 --> 00:01:22,484 to help Latter day Saints be better prepared 30 00:01:22,484 --> 00:01:24,899 to lead. Now, of course, that often means 31 00:01:24,899 --> 00:01:26,579 in the context of a calling. It may 32 00:01:26,579 --> 00:01:29,239 mean in your local community, your work assignments. 33 00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:32,039 We've heard about our content influencing 34 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:34,259 all sorts of leaders in all sorts of 35 00:01:34,259 --> 00:01:35,159 different contexts. 36 00:01:35,619 --> 00:01:37,299 We invite you to listen to this episode 37 00:01:37,299 --> 00:01:39,394 and maybe a few others of our 500 38 00:01:39,394 --> 00:01:41,954 plus episodes that we have out there. Jump 39 00:01:41,954 --> 00:01:44,194 in and begin to learn and begin to 40 00:01:44,194 --> 00:01:46,194 consider some of these principles we talk about 41 00:01:46,194 --> 00:01:47,655 on the Leading Saints podcast. 42 00:01:48,194 --> 00:01:49,094 Here we go. 43 00:01:54,790 --> 00:01:57,450 Welcome back to the Leading Saints podcast. Today, 44 00:01:57,510 --> 00:02:00,229 I'm introducing an interview that I I actually 45 00:02:00,229 --> 00:02:03,689 didn't do. I, like many others, follow various 46 00:02:03,989 --> 00:02:07,284 content creators online, came across the Salty Saints 47 00:02:07,284 --> 00:02:10,004 YouTube channel, which is, done by Hayden Holm 48 00:02:10,004 --> 00:02:10,745 and his brother. 49 00:02:11,044 --> 00:02:14,084 And they typically just soapbox about different cultural 50 00:02:14,084 --> 00:02:15,865 dynamics in our faith. They're, 51 00:02:16,245 --> 00:02:18,884 fun guys to listen to, lighthearted, but, share 52 00:02:18,884 --> 00:02:19,865 some great opinions, 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,900 some controversial opinions at times, some may say. 54 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:25,280 But they did a few episodes about Elders 55 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:25,780 Quorum. 56 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:26,580 And, 57 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,719 of course, I was intrigued by this, and 58 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,319 it led to them finding someone in their 59 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,800 audience who's an Elders Quorum president in North 60 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,745 Carolina. His name is Daniel Oakey, and he 61 00:02:35,745 --> 00:02:36,564 shared about, 62 00:02:36,944 --> 00:02:39,344 his experience being an elders quorum president and 63 00:02:39,344 --> 00:02:41,424 some effective things he does. Essentially, it's a 64 00:02:41,424 --> 00:02:43,185 how I lead interview, but just not on 65 00:02:43,185 --> 00:02:45,185 the leading saints podcast. So I reached out 66 00:02:45,185 --> 00:02:47,664 to Hayden and said, yo. Can we repurpose 67 00:02:47,664 --> 00:02:49,439 this content to be on leading saints so 68 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:51,782 that we can share it with the masses? 69 00:02:51,782 --> 00:02:54,418 And, he agreed. So here is a phenomenal 70 00:02:54,418 --> 00:02:57,053 episode about, one elder's quorum's experience, and I 71 00:02:57,053 --> 00:02:59,396 think you'll appreciate it. There's a lot of 72 00:02:59,396 --> 00:03:01,739 of good principles to take away. So here 73 00:03:01,739 --> 00:03:02,324 we go. 74 00:03:09,364 --> 00:03:11,364 Welcome back to salty saints. My name is 75 00:03:11,364 --> 00:03:14,504 Hayden Holm. I'm joined today by a guest, 76 00:03:14,805 --> 00:03:17,419 Daniel Oakey. He's shaking things up in the 77 00:03:17,419 --> 00:03:20,219 elders quorum. He commented on the elders quorum 78 00:03:20,219 --> 00:03:22,379 video, which by the way did a lot 79 00:03:22,379 --> 00:03:23,919 better than I thought it would. 80 00:03:24,219 --> 00:03:26,459 His comments stood out among the other hundred 81 00:03:26,459 --> 00:03:28,365 plus comments that we got on that video 82 00:03:28,525 --> 00:03:30,764 because he's doing a lot of really cool 83 00:03:30,764 --> 00:03:32,685 things in his elders quorum, and I wanted 84 00:03:32,685 --> 00:03:35,325 to figure out what's going on. So, Daniel, 85 00:03:35,325 --> 00:03:37,105 could you tell us a little bit about 86 00:03:37,485 --> 00:03:38,305 your ward? 87 00:03:38,605 --> 00:03:40,205 What kind of ward are you in? What's 88 00:03:40,205 --> 00:03:41,905 the makeup of your elders quorum? 89 00:03:42,419 --> 00:03:44,500 Are you the president? And what what kind 90 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:45,639 of things are going on? 91 00:03:46,019 --> 00:03:47,859 Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on, Hayden. 92 00:03:47,859 --> 00:03:49,459 Appreciate it. And I appreciated your video. If 93 00:03:49,459 --> 00:03:51,379 you haven't watched that video, I'd recommend watching 94 00:03:51,379 --> 00:03:53,400 that before you watch this. Sure. 95 00:03:54,259 --> 00:03:54,659 But, 96 00:03:55,895 --> 00:03:58,534 I'm based in Charlotte, North Carolina. We're Southeast 97 00:03:58,534 --> 00:03:59,594 Charlotte, and, 98 00:04:00,775 --> 00:04:02,474 we have a newly formed award 99 00:04:03,175 --> 00:04:05,735 and that formed last end of last summer 100 00:04:05,735 --> 00:04:08,534 of twenty twenty four. Yeah. And, I was 101 00:04:08,534 --> 00:04:10,240 an an elders quorum president in the ward 102 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,080 previous to that for only two to three 103 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,879 months before moving to this elders quorum. But 104 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:16,720 we our ward is, 105 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:17,439 probably 106 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:21,860 I I I I shouldn't quote numbers here 107 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,535 that I'm not too confident in. But we're 108 00:04:24,535 --> 00:04:26,295 we're a little bit smaller than elders quorum. 109 00:04:26,455 --> 00:04:28,214 You know, we're we're struggled. You know, we 110 00:04:28,214 --> 00:04:29,675 don't we don't have called teachers 111 00:04:30,615 --> 00:04:32,935 per se. Most of them are being used 112 00:04:32,935 --> 00:04:35,014 in in the auxiliaries, the primary, the young 113 00:04:35,014 --> 00:04:37,194 men, things like that. And so, 114 00:04:37,660 --> 00:04:39,180 but it the church is growing here in 115 00:04:39,180 --> 00:04:41,020 Charlotte, especially with the announcement of the of 116 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:41,680 the temple. 117 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:42,560 Yeah. 118 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:45,900 So with that being said, though, our range 119 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:47,040 does go from 120 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:48,319 new fathers 121 00:04:48,699 --> 00:04:49,199 and, 122 00:04:50,139 --> 00:04:52,939 single individuals to all the way up to, 123 00:04:52,939 --> 00:04:54,375 you know, know, people who are retired 124 00:04:55,074 --> 00:04:57,714 or in their eighties. Okay. And So is 125 00:04:57,714 --> 00:05:00,194 it one of those frequently. Yeah. Is it 126 00:05:00,194 --> 00:05:01,094 like a newlywed, 127 00:05:01,474 --> 00:05:03,634 nearly dead kinda ward, or do you have 128 00:05:03,634 --> 00:05:05,714 a good mix of families and stuff like 129 00:05:05,714 --> 00:05:06,214 that? 130 00:05:06,610 --> 00:05:08,290 Have a good mix of families. Have a 131 00:05:08,290 --> 00:05:09,590 good mix of families. So, 132 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:12,689 the war we were in previously before this 133 00:05:12,689 --> 00:05:14,210 Ward split, I was a little bit on 134 00:05:14,210 --> 00:05:16,210 the younger side with a couple with a 135 00:05:16,210 --> 00:05:18,129 with a little bit more of the the 136 00:05:18,129 --> 00:05:18,629 older 137 00:05:19,009 --> 00:05:19,509 generation. 138 00:05:19,889 --> 00:05:21,189 But I would say most 139 00:05:21,605 --> 00:05:23,365 most of them had a couple kids on 140 00:05:23,365 --> 00:05:25,685 on the younger side with a strong youth 141 00:05:25,685 --> 00:05:27,605 program. So it the church is you didn't 142 00:05:27,605 --> 00:05:29,845 know church is doing well in Charlotte, North 143 00:05:29,845 --> 00:05:30,345 Carolina. 144 00:05:30,884 --> 00:05:33,064 Super good. Yeah. Great to hear. 145 00:05:33,444 --> 00:05:35,384 Yeah. No. It's been awesome. Sweet. 146 00:05:36,479 --> 00:05:37,220 So I 147 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,479 I was called in last as an elder 148 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:41,699 school president last, 149 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:45,360 last April into the ward previous before the 150 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,160 split, and, 151 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,915 I had been serving on the high council 152 00:05:48,915 --> 00:05:50,675 before. So I've been pretty involved in the 153 00:05:50,834 --> 00:05:53,954 in in that ward's elders' corn. Right. And 154 00:05:53,954 --> 00:05:54,615 I guess, 155 00:05:56,355 --> 00:05:57,654 to be completely frank, 156 00:05:58,035 --> 00:05:59,634 I I was tired of I was tired 157 00:05:59,634 --> 00:06:01,875 of elders' corn myself, and I found myself 158 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:04,060 I really resonate with your video because I 159 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:06,540 found myself not wanting to go to elders 160 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:08,220 quorum even though that was kind of my 161 00:06:08,379 --> 00:06:10,139 one of my main responsibilities on the high 162 00:06:10,139 --> 00:06:11,360 council was to support, 163 00:06:12,139 --> 00:06:13,660 was to support this group. And these were 164 00:06:13,660 --> 00:06:15,759 great brothers. The pregnancy was great. You know? 165 00:06:15,845 --> 00:06:17,845 They weren't doing anything wrong per se. It 166 00:06:17,845 --> 00:06:18,585 was just 167 00:06:19,285 --> 00:06:21,125 I just wasn't looking forward to it. I 168 00:06:21,125 --> 00:06:23,365 wasn't excited about Sunday or nor did I 169 00:06:23,365 --> 00:06:23,865 feel, 170 00:06:25,605 --> 00:06:28,405 you know, that I was specifically on Sundays, 171 00:06:28,405 --> 00:06:30,185 I was going to to form a brotherhood. 172 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,779 There there are 173 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,479 there were other activities that were kinda forming 174 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:36,000 outside of that that were good that I 175 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,519 you know, we have friends and stuff, but 176 00:06:37,519 --> 00:06:39,539 it just Sundays were painful 177 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:40,500 for me. 178 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:41,459 Yeah. 179 00:06:43,134 --> 00:06:44,115 So it's it's 180 00:06:44,895 --> 00:06:45,555 to me, 181 00:06:45,855 --> 00:06:47,395 what Elder's Quorum has been 182 00:06:47,774 --> 00:06:49,535 a lot of my life, not every Sunday 183 00:06:49,535 --> 00:06:51,555 and not every word, and I'm not prescribing 184 00:06:51,615 --> 00:06:53,375 this as to be everyone's experience. This is 185 00:06:53,375 --> 00:06:55,235 just mine Yeah. Is that 186 00:06:57,409 --> 00:06:58,789 we go to elders quorum. 187 00:06:59,329 --> 00:06:59,829 There's 188 00:07:00,449 --> 00:07:02,610 some joke you know, we crack a few 189 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:04,629 jokes in the beginning announcements. 190 00:07:04,930 --> 00:07:07,490 Yeah. A brother stands up, pulls out a 191 00:07:07,490 --> 00:07:09,649 phone, and we basically read through a talk 192 00:07:09,649 --> 00:07:10,709 in general conference. 193 00:07:11,204 --> 00:07:13,524 We're sitting in hard metal rolls rows in 194 00:07:13,524 --> 00:07:14,884 the back of chairs in the back of 195 00:07:14,884 --> 00:07:16,425 the cultural hall Mhmm. 196 00:07:17,044 --> 00:07:19,305 And half the brothers are checking e ESPN 197 00:07:19,685 --> 00:07:21,524 on their phones, you know. Yeah. I don't 198 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:22,884 know what they're doing. I'm not I don't 199 00:07:22,964 --> 00:07:24,564 I shouldn't judge. But, you know Right. We're 200 00:07:24,564 --> 00:07:26,824 not an engaged group having a discussion 201 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:27,920 per se. 202 00:07:28,699 --> 00:07:30,779 Right. So so you go around the room, 203 00:07:30,779 --> 00:07:32,800 you're reading paragraphs, you know, 204 00:07:33,339 --> 00:07:35,339 everyone has to ask the last person, like, 205 00:07:35,339 --> 00:07:37,019 where did you stop reading? You know, so 206 00:07:37,019 --> 00:07:39,100 I can pick up on that. Yeah. Yeah. 207 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:41,259 No. I've been in many of those lessons 208 00:07:41,259 --> 00:07:43,964 myself. Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, I've got 209 00:07:43,964 --> 00:07:45,805 young kids, and so, you know, if one 210 00:07:45,805 --> 00:07:46,865 of them needs help, 211 00:07:47,404 --> 00:07:49,324 I would rather be in the hallway than 212 00:07:49,324 --> 00:07:51,024 I would be in the in the eligible 213 00:07:51,165 --> 00:07:53,264 person. And so I just felt 214 00:07:54,045 --> 00:07:55,725 I felt terrible about that. I felt a 215 00:07:55,725 --> 00:07:56,464 little guilty 216 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,160 even though it wasn't necessarily my fault. And 217 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,860 I also was like, well, 218 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,000 I can do some when I got called 219 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,680 the Zeltzkorn president, I felt like I can 220 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,600 do something about this. I we don't have 221 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,240 to just do what has always been done. 222 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,805 We can we can make a change. Well 223 00:08:12,444 --> 00:08:15,404 and so yeah. Exactly. So crazy on me 224 00:08:15,404 --> 00:08:17,485 here. Yeah. We're all crazy. I I'm I 225 00:08:17,485 --> 00:08:19,085 need to be careful here. Hopefully, my state 226 00:08:19,085 --> 00:08:20,384 president will watch this. 227 00:08:21,805 --> 00:08:22,305 So 228 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:25,189 I think and, again, I'm not claiming to 229 00:08:25,189 --> 00:08:26,790 have found solutions or to be perfect. I 230 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:28,790 just what I am saying is I I 231 00:08:28,949 --> 00:08:30,550 I've tried to do things a little bit 232 00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:32,870 differently than what I just described. So So 233 00:08:32,870 --> 00:08:34,789 let's get into that. So I I remember 234 00:08:34,789 --> 00:08:37,110 reading in your comments something about, like, round 235 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:37,610 tables 236 00:08:37,924 --> 00:08:40,324 and, like, a snack and discussions and stuff 237 00:08:40,324 --> 00:08:41,605 like that, and I was just like, this 238 00:08:41,605 --> 00:08:44,804 is crazy. This is amazing. So give me 239 00:08:44,804 --> 00:08:46,564 give me the formula. Let's let's crack it 240 00:08:46,564 --> 00:08:48,164 open and and examine this for a little 241 00:08:48,164 --> 00:08:50,024 bit. Absolutely. So 242 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:53,440 I got invited I was at a restaurant 243 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,759 and and I got invited to this Christian 244 00:08:55,759 --> 00:08:57,519 men's group where once a month on a 245 00:08:57,519 --> 00:08:59,279 Friday morning, they do a breakfast and a 246 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:00,899 round table around a campfire, 247 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,360 and we just talk about issues that are 248 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,139 difficult specifically for men. 249 00:09:05,485 --> 00:09:07,485 And I learned from that. I saw the 250 00:09:07,485 --> 00:09:08,865 attendance at those events, 251 00:09:09,165 --> 00:09:10,865 and I saw how the men bonded, 252 00:09:11,245 --> 00:09:12,225 sitting in a circle, 253 00:09:12,684 --> 00:09:15,325 talking about specific topics that that we're all 254 00:09:15,325 --> 00:09:17,085 dealing with, that we don't really talk about. 255 00:09:17,085 --> 00:09:18,225 Yeah. Eating food. 256 00:09:18,684 --> 00:09:20,920 And I was like, you know, what of 257 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,420 us which one of us aren't hungry? Sure. 258 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,820 We've been dealing with our families and kids. 259 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:28,600 We're bored. You know, what and we wanna 260 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,279 talk. We wanna talk about the real things 261 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:31,720 that are are facing us. We're not really 262 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,154 given that opportunity all the time. So I 263 00:09:34,154 --> 00:09:36,794 just said, we're setting up round tables that 264 00:09:36,794 --> 00:09:39,674 are sitting in the cultural hall every time. 265 00:09:39,674 --> 00:09:41,595 And we set up three to four tables 266 00:09:41,595 --> 00:09:43,034 in the back of the cultural hall around 267 00:09:43,034 --> 00:09:43,534 chairs, 268 00:09:43,995 --> 00:09:46,154 and the first seven minutes when you walk 269 00:09:46,154 --> 00:09:49,460 in, we dump fruit snacks and, you know, 270 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:51,740 whatever healthy chip we can find at Costco 271 00:09:51,740 --> 00:09:53,899 on the table. And the first seven minutes 272 00:09:53,899 --> 00:09:55,340 are a snack and chat. So you come 273 00:09:55,340 --> 00:09:57,820 into the cultural hall, and you grab a 274 00:09:57,820 --> 00:09:59,420 bag of chips and a and a fruit 275 00:09:59,420 --> 00:10:01,259 snack, and you just sit and you talk 276 00:10:01,259 --> 00:10:02,460 to the guy next to you. And I 277 00:10:02,460 --> 00:10:03,600 cannot tell you 278 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:05,965 the people that used to come in and 279 00:10:05,965 --> 00:10:07,644 just sit and not talk to anybody, what 280 00:10:07,644 --> 00:10:10,065 would what would start to happen. Because 281 00:10:10,524 --> 00:10:13,345 when you're eating, it's natural to start socializing. 282 00:10:13,725 --> 00:10:15,725 Yeah. So people would start talking. I don't 283 00:10:15,725 --> 00:10:17,165 really know you. And when you're sitting in 284 00:10:17,165 --> 00:10:17,745 a circle, 285 00:10:18,190 --> 00:10:20,029 it's not so uncomfortable where you're, like, craning 286 00:10:20,029 --> 00:10:21,470 your head to the side, sitting on a 287 00:10:21,470 --> 00:10:23,230 hard metal chair or trying to turn behind 288 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:25,389 you or Right. So it just it just 289 00:10:25,389 --> 00:10:29,009 created this natural social socialization and unity that 290 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:32,529 we we've just seen the benefit of. And 291 00:10:33,284 --> 00:10:35,924 does everybody talk to everybody? Of course not. 292 00:10:35,924 --> 00:10:37,524 There's still the brother and who kinda keep 293 00:10:37,524 --> 00:10:38,105 to themselves. 294 00:10:38,565 --> 00:10:40,424 But they have had more conversations 295 00:10:41,044 --> 00:10:43,684 than they normally do have and, 296 00:10:44,084 --> 00:10:46,485 and we engage. So That's great because there's 297 00:10:46,485 --> 00:10:49,110 always that that one elders quorum teacher that 298 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:51,269 says, like, hey. I'm gonna get you guys 299 00:10:51,269 --> 00:10:53,429 to talk today. So everyone divvy up into 300 00:10:53,429 --> 00:10:55,830 groups, and we're gonna talk. And it turns 301 00:10:55,830 --> 00:10:58,309 into, like like, three or four groups happening 302 00:10:58,309 --> 00:10:59,669 and then, like, a bunch of guys just 303 00:10:59,669 --> 00:11:01,370 kinda sitting there awkwardly, like, 304 00:11:01,774 --> 00:11:03,215 am I gonna be with you guys? I'm 305 00:11:03,215 --> 00:11:04,495 gonna be with you guys, or I'm just 306 00:11:04,495 --> 00:11:06,815 gonna look at my phone. You know? So 307 00:11:06,815 --> 00:11:08,815 having the round table, it seems like that's 308 00:11:08,815 --> 00:11:11,634 almost forcing them to engage with other people. 309 00:11:11,774 --> 00:11:13,875 You know? And then bringing the snack element 310 00:11:14,059 --> 00:11:15,740 is great because I I once heard, like, 311 00:11:15,740 --> 00:11:17,179 the secret to a man's heart is through 312 00:11:17,179 --> 00:11:19,899 his stomach. Right? It's like yeah. I mean, 313 00:11:19,899 --> 00:11:22,379 that's absolutely the case for me. Like, for 314 00:11:22,379 --> 00:11:22,879 me, 315 00:11:24,459 --> 00:11:25,980 Chanel might get a little upset with me 316 00:11:25,980 --> 00:11:27,975 about this, but but, like, one of the 317 00:11:27,975 --> 00:11:30,455 first things she she made for me, like, 318 00:11:30,455 --> 00:11:32,774 she she cooked in in, when I was 319 00:11:32,774 --> 00:11:33,995 going to BYU in Idaho, 320 00:11:34,774 --> 00:11:36,634 and she burnt waffles. 321 00:11:37,014 --> 00:11:38,855 And I was just like, my mom was 322 00:11:38,855 --> 00:11:41,220 a baker growing up, and and food was 323 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:42,980 big for me. And so, like, I saw 324 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:44,840 that she burnt waffles and I was like, 325 00:11:44,899 --> 00:11:46,820 woah. I I don't see I don't see 326 00:11:46,820 --> 00:11:49,639 a lifetime of happiness here, you know. But 327 00:11:49,940 --> 00:11:51,620 but after that, she was just like, no. 328 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:53,460 I can actually cook. It's okay. So then 329 00:11:53,460 --> 00:11:55,524 she made, like, a big, you know, like, 330 00:11:55,524 --> 00:11:57,524 orange chicken with a banana cream pie and 331 00:11:57,524 --> 00:11:59,044 stuff like that. It it was phenomenal. And 332 00:11:59,044 --> 00:12:00,644 so I was like after that, I was 333 00:12:00,644 --> 00:12:02,964 like, okay. Let's make this happen. I can 334 00:12:02,964 --> 00:12:04,565 I can see a lifetime with you now? 335 00:12:04,565 --> 00:12:06,325 You know, this is great, but but I 336 00:12:06,325 --> 00:12:09,399 totally get that. And men socialize through action 337 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:11,899 as well. They don't socialize just by conversation. 338 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,960 So, like, if you're giving them something to 339 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,360 eat, they're gonna open up, and then you're 340 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,500 giving them also 341 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:20,139 just through eating natural opportunities 342 00:12:20,465 --> 00:12:22,465 to, in a normal and natural way, bond 343 00:12:22,465 --> 00:12:24,404 and connect with each other. That's fascinating. 344 00:12:25,825 --> 00:12:27,585 I So what else what else are you 345 00:12:27,585 --> 00:12:28,085 doing? 346 00:12:29,585 --> 00:12:32,325 So so I could so, anyway, that alone 347 00:12:32,625 --> 00:12:34,865 will will change your illustration lessons, I promise, 348 00:12:34,865 --> 00:12:37,230 if you just implement that. So then the 349 00:12:37,230 --> 00:12:38,769 next thing we did is 350 00:12:39,389 --> 00:12:41,870 in the handbook, it talks about starting every 351 00:12:41,870 --> 00:12:43,250 elders' quorum with a council 352 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:46,029 about needs and challenges the elders' quorum is 353 00:12:46,029 --> 00:12:48,830 facing. So we're I'm not trying to deviate 354 00:12:48,830 --> 00:12:51,284 from what is is I mean, maybe You're 355 00:12:51,284 --> 00:12:53,684 not breaking blasphemy here. Yeah. I'm not trying 356 00:12:53,684 --> 00:12:55,445 to I I wanna follow the handbook. I 357 00:12:55,445 --> 00:12:56,964 wanna do the right things. Yeah. 358 00:12:57,605 --> 00:12:58,105 But 359 00:12:58,485 --> 00:13:00,404 but, you know, how do we know what 360 00:13:00,404 --> 00:13:02,004 the needs of the brothers are? Do we 361 00:13:02,004 --> 00:13:03,689 just guess? It's like, well, what if we 362 00:13:03,689 --> 00:13:04,909 just send out an anonymous Google 363 00:13:05,929 --> 00:13:06,750 survey link 364 00:13:07,289 --> 00:13:07,789 and 365 00:13:08,409 --> 00:13:09,870 just have them tell us? 366 00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:12,569 What are you facing? Let's talk about any 367 00:13:12,569 --> 00:13:14,730 challenge or question you have going on right 368 00:13:14,730 --> 00:13:16,250 now. We don't know who it who who 369 00:13:16,250 --> 00:13:18,865 it is. Send out the email before and 370 00:13:18,865 --> 00:13:20,785 just just submit these things. And then we 371 00:13:20,785 --> 00:13:21,445 just literally, 372 00:13:22,465 --> 00:13:24,144 at the beginning of every Elder Scrolls, take 373 00:13:24,144 --> 00:13:27,365 another seven minutes or until everybody's done commenting 374 00:13:27,665 --> 00:13:28,725 and go through 375 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:30,009 the questions 376 00:13:30,389 --> 00:13:32,389 that people have. And the first and and 377 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:33,210 once a quarter, 378 00:13:33,909 --> 00:13:36,649 we dedicate an entire meeting to a council 379 00:13:36,789 --> 00:13:38,330 where we just go through questions. 380 00:13:38,789 --> 00:13:41,190 Wow. So So what kind of questions do 381 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:41,850 you get? 382 00:13:42,315 --> 00:13:44,794 Well, the all sorts. And and it's been 383 00:13:44,794 --> 00:13:46,575 so helpful to have, like, 384 00:13:47,355 --> 00:13:49,434 data of what the brothers are dealing with, 385 00:13:49,434 --> 00:13:51,674 and it's stuff that they're not they're not 386 00:13:51,674 --> 00:13:53,355 gonna raise their hand in Otis Corp and 387 00:13:53,355 --> 00:13:54,014 be like, 388 00:13:54,570 --> 00:13:56,730 my marriage is failing. You know? Right. Right. 389 00:13:56,730 --> 00:13:57,870 But we're getting questions 390 00:13:58,410 --> 00:14:00,490 that that kind of help us understand what 391 00:14:00,490 --> 00:14:02,410 the deeper issues are. So this last Sunday, 392 00:14:02,410 --> 00:14:04,410 the question was, how do I know if 393 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:05,710 I shouldn't take the sacrament? 394 00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:06,910 Woah. 395 00:14:08,305 --> 00:14:10,144 You know? And that's not something that someone's 396 00:14:10,144 --> 00:14:12,305 gonna raise their hand like, excuse me. Excuse 397 00:14:12,305 --> 00:14:14,085 me. How do I know when I'm 398 00:14:14,465 --> 00:14:16,945 not worthy? Right? Like, how do I know 399 00:14:16,945 --> 00:14:18,705 that I messed up in a big way? 400 00:14:18,705 --> 00:14:20,384 You know? And it's like, wow. That's so 401 00:14:20,384 --> 00:14:22,965 that's a fascinating question. And you're there 402 00:14:23,309 --> 00:14:25,870 in a pool of strength with high priests, 403 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:27,730 with elders, with a lot of different experience 404 00:14:28,029 --> 00:14:30,590 who can then pull from that and help 405 00:14:30,590 --> 00:14:32,990 that brother understand in a completely anonymous way. 406 00:14:32,990 --> 00:14:33,730 That's genius. 407 00:14:34,429 --> 00:14:36,269 Former bishop. Yeah. It it was great. We 408 00:14:36,269 --> 00:14:38,029 had a we had a ten minute discussion 409 00:14:38,029 --> 00:14:38,894 about this and just 410 00:14:39,455 --> 00:14:41,075 the end message of that was 411 00:14:41,455 --> 00:14:43,695 we don't self disqualify from the sacrament. If 412 00:14:43,695 --> 00:14:44,975 we've done something that we need to talk 413 00:14:44,975 --> 00:14:46,495 to the bishop about, we we take care 414 00:14:46,495 --> 00:14:48,095 of that. But that's between you and the 415 00:14:48,095 --> 00:14:49,695 bishop and the lord. But, you know, there's 416 00:14:49,695 --> 00:14:51,375 a lot of things that you can repent 417 00:14:51,375 --> 00:14:53,710 of and still, you know, you don't self 418 00:14:53,710 --> 00:14:56,350 disqualify from the sacrament unless it's, you know, 419 00:14:56,350 --> 00:14:58,110 something that's pretty serious that needs to be 420 00:14:58,110 --> 00:15:00,029 discussed. So Yeah. That was a great question. 421 00:15:00,029 --> 00:15:02,110 We've had a question of, if the church 422 00:15:02,110 --> 00:15:03,889 is true, why are there so few members? 423 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:05,170 Mhmm. 424 00:15:05,735 --> 00:15:07,514 You know? We've had the question of, 425 00:15:08,215 --> 00:15:09,035 how do I, 426 00:15:09,415 --> 00:15:11,095 you know, how do I solve, how do 427 00:15:11,095 --> 00:15:13,035 I help my children come back to church? 428 00:15:13,175 --> 00:15:13,915 How do I, 429 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:17,254 So, like, real, down to earth, nitty gritty 430 00:15:17,254 --> 00:15:17,754 questions. 431 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Guys, why are we going to elders quorum 432 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,259 and just talking about 433 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:23,620 fluff? 434 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,059 I mean Right. And the gospel's not fluff, 435 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,000 but, like, let's take the real challenges we're 436 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,384 dealing with and take the reality of the 437 00:15:32,384 --> 00:15:35,585 gospel and all its beauty and actually apply 438 00:15:35,585 --> 00:15:37,825 it to the real things we're facing and 439 00:15:37,825 --> 00:15:40,144 leave feeling strengthened and, like, I can take 440 00:15:40,304 --> 00:15:41,825 I can do it this week because I've 441 00:15:41,825 --> 00:15:44,545 got I've got brothers, I've got Jesus Christ 442 00:15:44,545 --> 00:15:45,825 on my side, and I have his true 443 00:15:45,825 --> 00:15:48,019 gospel. Right. And I have to keep it. 444 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,559 And if we don't connect that to the 445 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:52,799 realities that we're facing in our life, I 446 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:54,720 think that I think that we're gonna struggle. 447 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,399 I think that the brothers are gonna struggle, 448 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,100 the families are gonna struggle, and 449 00:15:58,445 --> 00:16:01,024 and we don't we have an hour every 450 00:16:01,485 --> 00:16:03,404 two hours every month to make a difference. 451 00:16:03,404 --> 00:16:05,404 Let's make a difference. Right. So are you 452 00:16:05,404 --> 00:16:07,884 telling me we don't need another lesson on 453 00:16:07,884 --> 00:16:09,804 how not to judge other people and that 454 00:16:09,804 --> 00:16:11,644 we need to love more? Is that what 455 00:16:11,644 --> 00:16:13,860 you're saying, that we can actually grapple with 456 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:14,600 difficult 457 00:16:15,059 --> 00:16:16,980 questions? I think I think we should grapple 458 00:16:16,980 --> 00:16:18,659 with difficult questions. You know? We, 459 00:16:20,179 --> 00:16:22,100 wanna we went through so we do the 460 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:24,759 same thing with lessons. The the handbook says, 461 00:16:24,899 --> 00:16:27,620 you talk about topics and themes from general 462 00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:28,120 conference. 463 00:16:28,424 --> 00:16:31,464 Well, let's take submit an anonymous survey. What 464 00:16:31,464 --> 00:16:33,625 do you wanna talk about in lessons? Let's 465 00:16:33,625 --> 00:16:35,784 answer them with topics and themes from general 466 00:16:35,784 --> 00:16:37,485 conference. Wow. So 467 00:16:38,345 --> 00:16:40,345 in the family proclamation of the world, we're 468 00:16:40,345 --> 00:16:42,264 talking about marriage. Right? Marriage is a continual 469 00:16:42,264 --> 00:16:43,709 theme that's coming up in these surveys of 470 00:16:43,709 --> 00:16:45,549 people in our world where that's that's a 471 00:16:45,549 --> 00:16:46,049 struggle. 472 00:16:46,509 --> 00:16:47,809 So what does it mean 473 00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:49,709 in the church? You know, we have a 474 00:16:49,709 --> 00:16:51,649 real discussion. What does it mean to preside 475 00:16:52,429 --> 00:16:53,169 in the home 476 00:16:53,549 --> 00:16:56,110 versus church as equal partners in love and 477 00:16:56,110 --> 00:16:56,610 righteousness? 478 00:16:57,485 --> 00:16:59,965 Is the husband the the boss? Does he 479 00:16:59,965 --> 00:17:00,865 decide everything? 480 00:17:01,805 --> 00:17:04,365 How how do we grapple with this? And 481 00:17:04,365 --> 00:17:06,605 what do we you know? And let's use 482 00:17:06,605 --> 00:17:08,285 doctrine, and let's use the handbook, and let's 483 00:17:08,285 --> 00:17:09,505 use the family proclamation. 484 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:11,900 We're not we're not trying to spit opinions 485 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:14,140 here. This is let's be true to true 486 00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:16,380 to church material. And for those who don't 487 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:17,980 know, I mean, the churches came out with 488 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:20,059 an update this last weekend where you can 489 00:17:20,059 --> 00:17:22,779 now ask the AI that the church came 490 00:17:22,779 --> 00:17:24,644 out with of the handbook. So if you 491 00:17:24,644 --> 00:17:27,605 have really specific idiosyncratic questions, you can just 492 00:17:27,605 --> 00:17:29,605 pitch those right into the church's AI, and 493 00:17:29,605 --> 00:17:31,285 it'll direct you where to go in the 494 00:17:31,285 --> 00:17:33,765 handbook, which is fantastic. And I'm sure that'll 495 00:17:33,765 --> 00:17:36,085 probably help make some make for some great 496 00:17:36,085 --> 00:17:37,465 discussions in elders quorum. 497 00:17:38,059 --> 00:17:39,579 No. Great. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that 498 00:17:39,579 --> 00:17:41,660 up. I wasn't aware. So absolutely. But Oh, 499 00:17:41,660 --> 00:17:43,259 yeah. I was geeking out about it because 500 00:17:43,259 --> 00:17:44,380 I had to do, like, a lot of 501 00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:45,820 setting up parts and stuff on Sunday, and 502 00:17:45,820 --> 00:17:47,099 I was just like, oh, man. What's the 503 00:17:47,099 --> 00:17:49,019 wording on this? And it just brought it 504 00:17:49,019 --> 00:17:50,140 right up. And so I didn't have to 505 00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:52,460 go That is big scavenger hunt or anything 506 00:17:52,460 --> 00:17:54,664 like that. That is a great feature because 507 00:17:54,664 --> 00:17:56,345 that is a real pain of the handbook 508 00:17:56,345 --> 00:17:57,384 sometimes. Yeah. 509 00:17:59,065 --> 00:18:02,585 So, anyway, I just Sundays have have changed. 510 00:18:02,585 --> 00:18:03,085 And, 511 00:18:04,025 --> 00:18:05,950 I knew we were on to something, and 512 00:18:05,950 --> 00:18:07,630 I always joke about this. When I saw 513 00:18:07,630 --> 00:18:09,390 the dads who would normally leave to go 514 00:18:09,390 --> 00:18:11,869 help their kids and never come back, they 515 00:18:11,869 --> 00:18:13,789 started to come back. They started to come 516 00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:15,630 back and finish the meeting. They would take 517 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:17,890 care of their kids I've never seen that. 518 00:18:18,029 --> 00:18:18,529 Yeah. 519 00:18:19,075 --> 00:18:20,775 Yeah. That is wild. 520 00:18:21,075 --> 00:18:21,575 So 521 00:18:22,355 --> 00:18:23,634 I've got a lot of questions. So first 522 00:18:23,634 --> 00:18:24,674 of all, where did you come up with 523 00:18:24,674 --> 00:18:26,355 these ideas? Is this something that just, like, 524 00:18:26,355 --> 00:18:28,674 one morning, you're like, boom, round table, snacks, 525 00:18:28,674 --> 00:18:30,035 I'm gonna give it a shot. Did you 526 00:18:30,035 --> 00:18:32,115 hear it from somewhere else? What what's the 527 00:18:32,115 --> 00:18:32,934 process there? 528 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:35,480 Yeah. I mean, I 529 00:18:36,259 --> 00:18:38,180 I I I run a company. I run 530 00:18:38,180 --> 00:18:39,620 a I run a business, and so I 531 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:41,779 just I really believe in client feedback and 532 00:18:41,779 --> 00:18:43,700 customer feedback. And if you don't ask, you 533 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:44,840 don't get. And so 534 00:18:46,625 --> 00:18:48,065 I and then I you know, the experience 535 00:18:48,065 --> 00:18:50,484 of going to that Christian men's group. I 536 00:18:51,025 --> 00:18:53,684 I genuinely prayed. I just said, you know, 537 00:18:54,225 --> 00:18:55,904 god, how do we help the brothers? How 538 00:18:55,904 --> 00:18:57,585 do we help the brothers on Sunday? What 539 00:18:57,585 --> 00:18:59,025 do we do? And I've just acted on 540 00:18:59,025 --> 00:19:01,045 the ideas that have come. Yep. 541 00:19:01,690 --> 00:19:02,009 And, 542 00:19:03,289 --> 00:19:05,549 it's it's gone really well. I I 543 00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:08,009 the previous word that we implemented this, I've 544 00:19:08,009 --> 00:19:09,369 done it now in two words. That was 545 00:19:09,369 --> 00:19:11,470 an award that split now this new word. 546 00:19:12,009 --> 00:19:14,190 They've kept the round tables and the snacks 547 00:19:14,404 --> 00:19:15,784 and the surveys as 548 00:19:16,085 --> 00:19:17,464 well. It's still going. 549 00:19:18,404 --> 00:19:18,904 Woah. 550 00:19:19,204 --> 00:19:21,764 So you're on to something. So something is 551 00:19:21,845 --> 00:19:24,264 Well is sticking. Something is sticking. 552 00:19:24,724 --> 00:19:26,325 I mean, I think once you go round 553 00:19:26,325 --> 00:19:28,599 table snack, it's hard to go back. That's 554 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:31,319 right. Well and finally, you can use up 555 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:33,880 that budget. You know? Like, there's such little 556 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,740 amount of budget given to the elders quorum. 557 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:37,880 Spend it all on snacks. You know? It's 558 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,880 like, that's better than just, like, rolling it 559 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,480 over to the next year, you know, or 560 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:42,779 not even getting it anymore. 561 00:19:43,545 --> 00:19:45,225 Absolutely. And and, you know, you can buy 562 00:19:45,225 --> 00:19:47,225 snacks that are not expensive. You can spend 563 00:19:47,225 --> 00:19:48,265 10 to $20 564 00:19:48,664 --> 00:19:50,664 Yeah. You know, twice a month. And and 565 00:19:50,664 --> 00:19:51,945 you don't eat it all, and you can 566 00:19:51,945 --> 00:19:53,625 roll it over to the you know, you 567 00:19:53,625 --> 00:19:55,705 bring the yeah. It it has not been 568 00:19:55,705 --> 00:19:57,404 as expensive as as I expected. 569 00:19:58,539 --> 00:19:59,900 One thing we do do with the snacks 570 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:01,180 is they are for the elders quorum. So 571 00:20:01,180 --> 00:20:02,940 when all the kids rush in after, we 572 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:04,940 don't hand them out to the primary kids 573 00:20:04,940 --> 00:20:07,820 or the youth. They're they're for they're for 574 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:09,660 the dads. The dads are and the and 575 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:11,920 the men. They're free to take them home, 576 00:20:12,140 --> 00:20:14,394 but we don't hand them out to anybody 577 00:20:14,394 --> 00:20:16,234 else. Good for you. Look at that. You're 578 00:20:16,234 --> 00:20:18,795 like, hey. These are dad's snacks. Okay? These 579 00:20:18,795 --> 00:20:19,535 are sacred. 580 00:20:20,315 --> 00:20:21,994 Well, I I do think though it would 581 00:20:21,994 --> 00:20:23,994 create a problem because what happens if the 582 00:20:23,994 --> 00:20:25,434 kids got them, they would run around and 583 00:20:25,434 --> 00:20:27,434 make the mess after church, which Every week, 584 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:29,570 they would start coming to elders corp. Yeah. 585 00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:30,609 Yeah. And then the dads would just be 586 00:20:30,609 --> 00:20:32,369 like, here are your snacks. I gotta save 587 00:20:32,369 --> 00:20:34,369 these now for you. Yeah. No. I get 588 00:20:34,369 --> 00:20:36,529 that. Right. Right. So we've said no to 589 00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:39,089 that. The other cool thing that's happened is 590 00:20:39,089 --> 00:20:41,009 in doing our monthly meeting with the Relief 591 00:20:41,009 --> 00:20:41,509 Society, 592 00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:43,750 they've started doing surveys 593 00:20:44,565 --> 00:20:47,125 and understanding what problems the Relief Society sisters 594 00:20:47,125 --> 00:20:49,204 are facing. And so here, we're getting this 595 00:20:49,204 --> 00:20:50,884 data from the brothers and the sisters, and 596 00:20:50,884 --> 00:20:52,484 we're starting to see the patterns of what 597 00:20:52,484 --> 00:20:54,404 they're both facing. Yeah. And we're able to 598 00:20:54,404 --> 00:20:56,005 work together with the bishop and the word 599 00:20:56,005 --> 00:20:58,799 council to actually target the real problems and 600 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,980 address them in our Sunday meetings. And this 601 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,099 just ask. Ask and then pray. Great information 602 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,119 precedes great revelation. So that's Absolutely. Where I 603 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,500 would say this has come from. 604 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,345 Well, that is phenomenal. So what what kind 605 00:21:11,345 --> 00:21:13,424 of engagement are you seeing? So you rolled 606 00:21:13,424 --> 00:21:16,224 all this stuff out. You're saying more brethren 607 00:21:16,224 --> 00:21:17,524 are talking to each other. 608 00:21:18,464 --> 00:21:20,144 What else there what what else are you 609 00:21:20,144 --> 00:21:22,484 seeing in the corp? In the ward previously, 610 00:21:22,544 --> 00:21:24,304 our intent our elders' core attendance was the 611 00:21:24,304 --> 00:21:26,899 highest that it ever ever was in the 612 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:28,880 two and a half years I was there. 613 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,099 In this ward, 614 00:21:30,639 --> 00:21:33,359 there's been kind of a a calling shift 615 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,679 and and then Yeah. And sometimes they, you 616 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:37,759 know, they need more space. Momentum a little 617 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:40,105 bit. Yeah. We're building more momentum, and then 618 00:21:40,105 --> 00:21:42,105 we brought two words together. And so it 619 00:21:42,105 --> 00:21:44,045 seemed like in the previous word, there was 620 00:21:44,424 --> 00:21:46,424 kind of just more cohesion in being able 621 00:21:46,585 --> 00:21:48,265 like, this was like a spark that kinda 622 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:50,585 lit the fire. This just felt a little 623 00:21:50,585 --> 00:21:52,710 more slow going, but at the same 624 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:54,390 time, we have brothers 625 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:57,590 from other wards who attend our elders' quarters. 626 00:21:57,970 --> 00:21:58,470 Really? 627 00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:00,950 And their own ward. 628 00:22:01,330 --> 00:22:03,410 So they'll come and attend. They double dip. 629 00:22:03,410 --> 00:22:04,850 Yep. Look at that. They double dip a 630 00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:06,785 lot of it. Yeah. With the joke and 631 00:22:06,785 --> 00:22:09,184 the mood. That is fascinating because that that 632 00:22:09,265 --> 00:22:10,625 that's a great call out there. Yeah. I'm 633 00:22:10,625 --> 00:22:12,144 I'm always in it for the dad jokes. 634 00:22:12,144 --> 00:22:13,265 But, I mean Yeah. The, 635 00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:15,984 that is fascinating that you are getting brothers 636 00:22:15,984 --> 00:22:18,144 that are going to an extra hour on 637 00:22:18,144 --> 00:22:20,930 Sundays. They are checking out so that they 638 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:23,650 can sit in a meeting that is actually 639 00:22:23,650 --> 00:22:25,970 engaging them and that is actually providing them 640 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:27,589 that brotherhood. I think that goes 641 00:22:28,049 --> 00:22:29,490 to I think the point that you were 642 00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:31,910 calling out earlier that that lack of brotherhood 643 00:22:32,049 --> 00:22:34,515 isn't being felt, and it's actually being I 644 00:22:34,515 --> 00:22:37,394 I I think men crave that. And so 645 00:22:37,394 --> 00:22:39,795 to see men actually take time aside and 646 00:22:39,795 --> 00:22:41,315 say, I'm gonna go visit this one. Are 647 00:22:41,315 --> 00:22:42,755 these young men that are going? Are they 648 00:22:42,755 --> 00:22:43,654 older? Or 649 00:22:44,035 --> 00:22:45,714 Young young men. And and it's not a 650 00:22:45,714 --> 00:22:48,515 ton. There's one or two. But, But still. 651 00:22:48,515 --> 00:22:50,509 Yeah. But, you know, I it stuck out 652 00:22:50,509 --> 00:22:52,190 to me, and we'll have visitors. Right? And 653 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:54,269 and the comments are very positive. So I've 654 00:22:54,269 --> 00:22:55,950 never been in elders' quorum like this. We've 655 00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:56,529 we 656 00:22:57,549 --> 00:23:00,269 we we've had a brother publicly ask for 657 00:23:00,269 --> 00:23:02,275 a priesthood blessing in elders' quorum when we 658 00:23:02,275 --> 00:23:04,355 were giving a blessing on on blessing. And 659 00:23:04,355 --> 00:23:05,954 can you imagine having a brother in elders 660 00:23:05,954 --> 00:23:07,954 quorum staff and say, I'm really struggling. Can 661 00:23:07,954 --> 00:23:09,654 I get a blessing right now? 662 00:23:10,115 --> 00:23:10,615 Wow. 663 00:23:11,234 --> 00:23:13,315 And and to have, you know, that level 664 00:23:13,315 --> 00:23:13,815 of 665 00:23:14,275 --> 00:23:16,694 comfort in the quorum is 666 00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:18,630 insane. 667 00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:21,890 You know? It's like, I I just thinking 668 00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:23,250 about that with the quorums that I've been 669 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:25,329 in, it's like, yeah. I I'm I'm barely 670 00:23:25,329 --> 00:23:27,329 comfortable enough to just, like, start up a 671 00:23:27,329 --> 00:23:28,150 side conversation. 672 00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:30,369 You know? Just like, hey. How are you 673 00:23:30,369 --> 00:23:32,130 doing? You know? Good. Oh, yeah. Me too. 674 00:23:32,130 --> 00:23:35,615 But that's that's amazing. That because that that 675 00:23:35,615 --> 00:23:37,234 shows that this this brother 676 00:23:37,615 --> 00:23:39,855 has reached a certain comfort level, and he 677 00:23:39,855 --> 00:23:42,095 feels a certain connectedness to the quorum and 678 00:23:42,095 --> 00:23:43,955 a certain level of security with them. 679 00:23:44,494 --> 00:23:45,234 That's phenomenal. 680 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,039 So what kind of have you received any 681 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,679 pushback? Like, have there been any, like, angry 682 00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:52,359 high priests that are like, this isn't the 683 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,220 way that we did it. Hey. 684 00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:55,819 Cut that out. 685 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:57,579 Anything like that? 686 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,480 No. In fact, it seems like the high 687 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,779 priests love it the most. 688 00:24:01,144 --> 00:24:03,964 They're like, finally, some snacks up in here. 689 00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:06,224 You used to have to go to nursery 690 00:24:06,224 --> 00:24:09,085 to get these. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So 691 00:24:09,544 --> 00:24:10,764 one of my first, 692 00:24:11,464 --> 00:24:13,480 Sunday in the old ward, we had a 693 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,319 member of the state presidency there. 694 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,359 And it normally, elders quorum falls on the 695 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:19,960 second and fourth Sunday, so it's never a 696 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,700 fast Sunday. 697 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,079 But it was, for some reason, a state 698 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,159 conference and a general conference or something. And 699 00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:27,714 so that Sunday actually happened to be fast 700 00:24:27,714 --> 00:24:30,034 Sunday, so I accidentally brought snacks on fast 701 00:24:30,034 --> 00:24:31,575 Sunday, which was funny. But, 702 00:24:32,754 --> 00:24:35,335 yeah, exactly. But I won't tell anybody. Yeah. 703 00:24:35,554 --> 00:24:37,875 Yeah. Well, he he knows. I I have 704 00:24:37,875 --> 00:24:38,375 received 705 00:24:38,994 --> 00:24:41,130 I've been very open. You know? I'm I 706 00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:42,650 will follow the direction of the leaders if 707 00:24:42,650 --> 00:24:43,849 I I if I get I'm not I'm 708 00:24:43,849 --> 00:24:45,369 not trying to Right. I'm not trying to 709 00:24:45,369 --> 00:24:47,450 break anything. I'm just I'm trying to serve 710 00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:49,210 the brothers. That that's what that's what we're 711 00:24:49,210 --> 00:24:50,730 trying to do. And when I say I, 712 00:24:50,730 --> 00:24:52,410 I'm talking about my presidency. You and your 713 00:24:52,410 --> 00:24:53,710 presidency. Yeah. Yeah. 714 00:24:55,784 --> 00:24:57,565 So that no. I have not received 715 00:24:58,184 --> 00:25:00,664 any any negative pushback at all. And I 716 00:25:00,664 --> 00:25:01,404 I think 717 00:25:02,105 --> 00:25:02,845 so far. 718 00:25:04,105 --> 00:25:05,865 Well, that's encouraging to hear, and it sounds 719 00:25:05,865 --> 00:25:08,009 like the word is rallying behind you. What 720 00:25:08,009 --> 00:25:10,009 about Relief Society? Have you gotten any comments 721 00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:11,470 from sisters about this? 722 00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:14,250 The sisters will joke and say, man, Elvis 723 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:15,930 Quorum is looking good because they'll peek in, 724 00:25:15,930 --> 00:25:18,170 you know, and their husband and there's you 725 00:25:18,170 --> 00:25:19,769 know, we're all sitting in tables and we're 726 00:25:19,769 --> 00:25:20,590 eating and 727 00:25:20,914 --> 00:25:22,375 looks like we're having a good time. 728 00:25:23,875 --> 00:25:25,075 So that's been a good thing. I think 729 00:25:25,075 --> 00:25:26,674 the biggest change that has been cool to 730 00:25:26,674 --> 00:25:28,515 me again is this that the sisters have 731 00:25:28,515 --> 00:25:29,575 taken the surveys. 732 00:25:30,034 --> 00:25:31,794 And, you know, we've run a joint elders 733 00:25:31,794 --> 00:25:34,319 core belief society survey around attending the temple, 734 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:36,079 which is one of our core responsibilities, right, 735 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,240 is getting helping members attend the temple and 736 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,919 and seeing what the barriers to people attending 737 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,400 the temple are. So just it's helped us 738 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,240 just become more unified and work as a 739 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,539 team. But nothing 740 00:25:46,484 --> 00:25:47,224 nothing really 741 00:25:48,085 --> 00:25:50,085 nothing really crazy there as far as, like, 742 00:25:50,085 --> 00:25:52,325 roof setting, sitting in in round tables and 743 00:25:52,325 --> 00:25:54,085 eating snacks. They they get their own room 744 00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:56,244 already. Okay. So now I'm gonna ask the 745 00:25:56,244 --> 00:25:58,724 question that I know everybody is dying to 746 00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:00,325 get the answer to right now, and that 747 00:26:00,325 --> 00:26:00,825 is 748 00:26:01,650 --> 00:26:02,390 the tables. 749 00:26:03,250 --> 00:26:04,769 Who is setting up and taking down these 750 00:26:04,769 --> 00:26:06,769 tables? What what kind of effort are you, 751 00:26:07,330 --> 00:26:08,869 are you expending doing that? 752 00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:10,470 Yeah. So, originally, 753 00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:12,710 it was me coming in every 754 00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:13,590 Sunday 755 00:26:14,404 --> 00:26:16,404 and saying, let's get the tables going. Can 756 00:26:16,404 --> 00:26:18,325 I get some help? Yeah. Probably for the 757 00:26:18,325 --> 00:26:20,404 first two months. I did that in the 758 00:26:20,404 --> 00:26:21,924 old ward, and I've now done that in 759 00:26:21,924 --> 00:26:22,585 this ward. 760 00:26:22,964 --> 00:26:23,464 Now 761 00:26:24,164 --> 00:26:25,625 the brothers just do it. 762 00:26:26,244 --> 00:26:26,744 Really? 763 00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:29,390 Well and my presidency has been been a 764 00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:30,670 core part of that. But now when I 765 00:26:30,670 --> 00:26:32,750 walk into the back culture hall, the most 766 00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:34,190 of the tables are already set up with 767 00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:35,650 the chairs and people are helping. 768 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:38,830 So it's become part of the culture. Yeah. 769 00:26:38,830 --> 00:26:40,589 It's become part of the culture. Yeah. It's 770 00:26:40,830 --> 00:26:41,330 so 771 00:26:41,865 --> 00:26:43,865 it but it takes work. It takes a 772 00:26:43,865 --> 00:26:45,644 consistent effort. It basically, 773 00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:48,105 the default if the default's sitting in rows 774 00:26:48,105 --> 00:26:50,505 of chairs, that's what people are gonna do. 775 00:26:50,505 --> 00:26:52,505 Yeah. But if you change the default saying, 776 00:26:52,505 --> 00:26:55,065 no. We're doing tables every time no matter 777 00:26:55,065 --> 00:26:55,565 what. 778 00:26:56,669 --> 00:26:58,990 Eventually, it's like, okay. That's what we're doing. 779 00:26:58,990 --> 00:27:00,589 Well and I don't know if this was 780 00:27:00,589 --> 00:27:02,690 for all awards, but I remember this initiative 781 00:27:02,829 --> 00:27:04,909 being pushed out, a handful of years ago 782 00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:07,549 saying, we need to get semicircles set up. 783 00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:08,804 You know? And so they were they were 784 00:27:08,804 --> 00:27:11,044 like, we need stadium seating in the elders 785 00:27:11,044 --> 00:27:12,105 quorum, gymnasium. 786 00:27:12,884 --> 00:27:14,664 And it started off as a semicircle. 787 00:27:15,284 --> 00:27:17,605 And then I noticed over the years that 788 00:27:17,605 --> 00:27:20,964 slowly that semicircle has kinda, like, turned back 789 00:27:20,964 --> 00:27:23,910 into just rows. You know? And because you 790 00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:25,509 could still find a back row in the 791 00:27:25,509 --> 00:27:27,110 semicircle. They just set, like, two or three 792 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:29,670 rows up, and it just was, like, rows 793 00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:31,910 two point o, you know, where the purpose, 794 00:27:31,910 --> 00:27:33,750 the principle of that was, like, we want 795 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:35,910 brethren looking at each other more and engaging 796 00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:36,970 with each other more. 797 00:27:37,704 --> 00:27:39,804 So that's amazing to hear. 798 00:27:40,105 --> 00:27:42,044 The the the the tables are working. 799 00:27:43,065 --> 00:27:44,424 So I would say Yeah. Go ahead. That's 800 00:27:44,424 --> 00:27:45,464 a great sorry. I didn't mean to cut 801 00:27:45,464 --> 00:27:47,085 you off, but that that's a great point. 802 00:27:47,544 --> 00:27:49,944 You can create rows behind the semicircle. When 803 00:27:49,944 --> 00:27:51,964 it's the table and there's only four tables 804 00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:53,820 and you only have chairs set up around 805 00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:56,140 the tables, it's weird if you go take 806 00:27:56,140 --> 00:27:57,920 a chair and sit in the back corner. 807 00:27:58,460 --> 00:28:01,579 Right. Right. You know? Like, you can, but 808 00:28:01,579 --> 00:28:03,579 we're not gonna stop you. It becomes more 809 00:28:03,579 --> 00:28:04,079 uncomfortable. 810 00:28:04,444 --> 00:28:07,244 Like, you're calling more attention to yourself by 811 00:28:07,244 --> 00:28:08,924 trying to be an outcast or trying to 812 00:28:08,924 --> 00:28:11,325 be detached from any everyone than if you 813 00:28:11,325 --> 00:28:12,684 were to just grab a seat at a 814 00:28:12,684 --> 00:28:13,184 table. 815 00:28:13,484 --> 00:28:15,924 You walk in, you belong. And that's Yeah. 816 00:28:16,125 --> 00:28:18,065 That's what I think brothers need to feel. 817 00:28:18,609 --> 00:28:19,750 100%. 818 00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:21,429 Totally agree with that. 819 00:28:21,889 --> 00:28:24,849 What, would be your advice to elders quorum 820 00:28:24,849 --> 00:28:26,929 presidencies who are just starting up, they wanna 821 00:28:26,929 --> 00:28:28,609 make a change right now, and they wanna 822 00:28:28,609 --> 00:28:30,789 kinda fix the culture of the elders quorum? 823 00:28:31,184 --> 00:28:31,585 What 824 00:28:31,984 --> 00:28:33,284 how how do they get started? 825 00:28:34,304 --> 00:28:35,444 Yeah. I I 826 00:28:36,304 --> 00:28:38,384 I mean, I think it comes down always 827 00:28:38,384 --> 00:28:40,384 always going to God first. Right? I'm I'm 828 00:28:40,384 --> 00:28:42,544 not prescribing this is what every elders quorum 829 00:28:42,544 --> 00:28:44,390 in the world needs to do, and I'm 830 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,230 not I don't, you know, I don't receive 831 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:47,750 revelation for all that. But Boom. 832 00:28:49,349 --> 00:28:51,349 I I would say, get with your presidency 833 00:28:51,349 --> 00:28:53,269 and discuss these ideas and then see if 834 00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:54,630 it makes sense for you to try in 835 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:56,950 your in your elders quorum. We don't have 836 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:58,789 to do things the way they've always been 837 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:59,289 done. 838 00:28:59,714 --> 00:29:01,954 We can we can focus on Jesus Christ 839 00:29:01,954 --> 00:29:04,035 and make it an enjoyable experience. If this 840 00:29:04,035 --> 00:29:06,115 is the church of joy, let's make it 841 00:29:06,115 --> 00:29:06,615 joyful. 842 00:29:07,154 --> 00:29:09,315 Right. Now that and then when you get 843 00:29:09,315 --> 00:29:10,855 that Sunday meeting right, 844 00:29:11,154 --> 00:29:12,615 everything else gets easier. 845 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,619 The out out of Sunday activities, the brotherhood, 846 00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:18,640 people actually know each other, the ministering interviews, 847 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,179 and all that begins to compound 848 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,000 to be able to actually make an elder's 849 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400 quote that's a brotherhood united in serving God's 850 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,079 children. And I think that's what it really 851 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:27,059 comes down to. 852 00:29:27,535 --> 00:29:29,535 That is fast. So you've actually seen more 853 00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:31,295 brothers come out to activities and stuff like 854 00:29:31,295 --> 00:29:35,375 that, after you've implemented these changes? Well, we're 855 00:29:35,375 --> 00:29:38,174 we're working on getting our activities going. That's 856 00:29:38,174 --> 00:29:39,535 been a little bit of a struggle, to 857 00:29:39,535 --> 00:29:42,170 be honest. Yeah. But but what I have 858 00:29:42,170 --> 00:29:44,650 noticed is brothers know each are getting to 859 00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:46,410 know each other actually in the Sunday meeting. 860 00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:48,009 Right? It's like Mhmm. How many LG cards 861 00:29:48,009 --> 00:29:49,529 you've gone to for years where you still 862 00:29:49,529 --> 00:29:51,849 don't know the five brothers who sit on 863 00:29:51,849 --> 00:29:54,105 the other side? Right. You know? It's like, 864 00:29:54,345 --> 00:29:56,825 you gotta sit and talk and talk because 865 00:29:56,825 --> 00:29:58,585 you've been eating chips together and eventually it 866 00:29:58,585 --> 00:29:59,625 seemed like, well, what do you do for 867 00:29:59,625 --> 00:30:01,464 work? You know, like Oh, yeah. It'll come 868 00:30:01,464 --> 00:30:03,785 up. Yeah. It'll come up. It'll come up. 869 00:30:03,785 --> 00:30:05,785 And we've seen things like that happen. And 870 00:30:05,785 --> 00:30:07,804 so just facilitating the connections, 871 00:30:08,579 --> 00:30:10,819 I I'm I'm a believer. I I will 872 00:30:10,819 --> 00:30:13,059 suggest this and implement it everywhere I go 873 00:30:13,059 --> 00:30:14,839 unless instructed to otherwise. 874 00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:17,700 That's amazing. So now kind of as the 875 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:18,519 final question, 876 00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:20,359 I wanna speak to 877 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,039 the elders that 878 00:30:22,484 --> 00:30:24,345 want to connect. They want brotherhood, 879 00:30:24,644 --> 00:30:26,025 but they don't feel 880 00:30:26,484 --> 00:30:28,984 like their elders quorum presidency is currently 881 00:30:29,444 --> 00:30:31,845 providing that. Like, they're kinda stuck in a 882 00:30:31,845 --> 00:30:34,904 a forgotten elders quorum. What would your suggestion 883 00:30:35,045 --> 00:30:37,605 or your advice be to those elders that 884 00:30:37,605 --> 00:30:39,500 feel like they're being looked over, they're being 885 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,359 forgotten, they wanna connect, but they can't? 886 00:30:42,059 --> 00:30:43,980 Show them this video and skip this question. 887 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:44,380 No. 888 00:30:45,019 --> 00:30:45,339 The 889 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,019 That's great. The 890 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:49,819 it's it's a it's a great a great 891 00:30:49,819 --> 00:30:51,555 question. Because if you're not in a position 892 00:30:51,875 --> 00:30:54,674 to actually suggest change or implement change, that 893 00:30:54,674 --> 00:30:56,275 can be difficult. You can only do so 894 00:30:56,275 --> 00:30:56,775 much. 895 00:30:58,835 --> 00:31:01,075 I I think, genuinely, one of the cool 896 00:31:01,075 --> 00:31:02,914 things I I think that's happening as Latter 897 00:31:02,914 --> 00:31:05,039 day Saints, we are, like yourself, are becoming 898 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:06,960 active in creating content and channels. And I 899 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,279 think as we connect more and recognize that 900 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,360 we're not islands on our elders quorums, that 901 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,360 we can we can learn from each other 902 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,420 and see what's working. 903 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200 I I'm a big believer in prayer. I 904 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,884 really believe that, you know, if you feel 905 00:31:18,884 --> 00:31:20,505 that your elder's karma is a forgotten, 906 00:31:21,365 --> 00:31:24,085 lonely island that has no brotherhood and you 907 00:31:24,085 --> 00:31:25,785 feel lost or forgotten about, 908 00:31:26,565 --> 00:31:28,325 going to your knees is the best place 909 00:31:28,325 --> 00:31:30,105 to get answers on what to do next. 910 00:31:30,325 --> 00:31:31,940 And I I I 911 00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:34,639 I know from my own experience that if 912 00:31:34,639 --> 00:31:35,539 you do that, 913 00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,079 direction and answers will come on what actions 914 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:39,440 to take and it really will just come 915 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,359 down to acting on them. Whether that is 916 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,240 showing this conversation to your elders quorum presidency 917 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,259 and sharing it. Whether it is suggesting 918 00:31:46,964 --> 00:31:48,964 or just setting up tables and saying, is 919 00:31:48,964 --> 00:31:50,505 it okay if I set up tables? 920 00:31:50,884 --> 00:31:53,204 And, or I bring a snack to share. 921 00:31:53,204 --> 00:31:55,144 You know, whatever that may be. Just 922 00:31:55,924 --> 00:31:57,464 just making the effort. 923 00:31:57,765 --> 00:31:59,845 I mean, I've I've served in a handful 924 00:31:59,845 --> 00:32:01,144 of elders quorum presidencies 925 00:32:01,630 --> 00:32:03,150 where, like, if I were to get some 926 00:32:03,150 --> 00:32:04,690 kind of feedback like that, 927 00:32:05,069 --> 00:32:06,909 I don't know a single presidency that would 928 00:32:06,909 --> 00:32:08,509 be like, no. No. No. No. We're not 929 00:32:08,509 --> 00:32:09,950 gonna do that. Where, like, if someone were 930 00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:12,269 like, hey. I have some questions that I'd 931 00:32:12,269 --> 00:32:13,869 love to ask. Do you think we could 932 00:32:13,869 --> 00:32:15,549 start up, like, a quorum doc or something 933 00:32:15,549 --> 00:32:17,705 like that? We can start asking these questions. 934 00:32:17,705 --> 00:32:19,625 And I I think that would be more 935 00:32:19,625 --> 00:32:22,505 than welcome from my experience, but I love 936 00:32:22,505 --> 00:32:24,184 how you keep bringing it back to personal 937 00:32:24,184 --> 00:32:26,605 revelation. I think that's absolutely true. 938 00:32:27,065 --> 00:32:27,315 And, 939 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960 I I I think it's following the example 940 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,900 of the brethren as well. Like, these 941 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,119 like, if you look at president Nelson, since 942 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:36,180 he's become prophet, 943 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,960 he's got a great track record of shaking 944 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,759 things up and making changes. And so by 945 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,365 It's been time. Yeah. Yeah. 946 00:32:44,904 --> 00:32:46,984 Yeah. And so, I mean, that's you're following 947 00:32:46,984 --> 00:32:50,424 his example by just refusing to accept that 948 00:32:50,424 --> 00:32:52,204 things are gonna be the way they are 949 00:32:52,424 --> 00:32:54,585 always and forever. By shaking things up, I 950 00:32:54,585 --> 00:32:56,505 think you're following that example of the prophet 951 00:32:56,505 --> 00:32:58,284 as well. So I think that's that's fantastic. 952 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,240 And Well, thank you. I think it's been 953 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,140 a great conversation. 954 00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:05,559 We really appreciate you coming on and sharing 955 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:06,299 your story. 956 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,840 For anyone out there that is in a 957 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,640 forgotten lonely elders quorum, be sure to pray, 958 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,940 you know, find that revelation, 959 00:33:13,355 --> 00:33:15,035 approach your elders quorum presidency, see if you 960 00:33:15,035 --> 00:33:17,595 can find some change that way. If if 961 00:33:17,595 --> 00:33:19,434 you are still stuck and you wanna connect 962 00:33:19,434 --> 00:33:21,695 with other people, we've got a discord server, 963 00:33:21,835 --> 00:33:23,515 dadsneedfriends.com. 964 00:33:23,515 --> 00:33:24,815 We're not selling anything. 965 00:33:25,275 --> 00:33:27,529 We just we just game. We just talk 966 00:33:27,529 --> 00:33:29,529 and we game. We have, like, little chat 967 00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:32,190 channels about different aspects of life. So 968 00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:34,650 come join us, if that's your thing. If 969 00:33:34,650 --> 00:33:35,789 not, no worries. 970 00:33:36,410 --> 00:33:36,910 So, 971 00:33:37,529 --> 00:33:39,049 with that being said, is is there anything 972 00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:40,965 else you wanna say to Elder Scrolls presidencies 973 00:33:40,965 --> 00:33:42,025 or anything like that? 974 00:33:43,045 --> 00:33:44,585 Shake it up and 975 00:33:44,965 --> 00:33:47,305 and create make Elder Scrolls a place that 976 00:33:48,085 --> 00:33:50,965 everyone actually wants to be. Yeah. Instead of 977 00:33:50,965 --> 00:33:53,625 just instead of just doing the the minimum. 978 00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:55,829 So I know that is Did I just 979 00:33:55,829 --> 00:33:57,430 hear you say make elders go on great 980 00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:59,349 again? Is that what I heard? I pretty 981 00:33:59,349 --> 00:34:01,349 much just said make elders go on great 982 00:34:01,349 --> 00:34:01,849 again. 983 00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:03,769 Yeah. Right on. 984 00:34:16,034 --> 00:34:19,155 Alright. That concludes this, interview. I appreciate them 985 00:34:19,155 --> 00:34:21,155 allowing me to borrow their content and then 986 00:34:21,155 --> 00:34:23,635 repurposing it for the leading saints audience. Be 987 00:34:23,635 --> 00:34:26,039 sure to check out Salty Saints. We'll put 988 00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:27,579 all the links that they share, 989 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:29,719 in in the show notes as well for 990 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,440 related to this episode. And, yeah, go subscribe 991 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,599 to their stuff and, share your opinion over 992 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,239 there as well. And together as as a, 993 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,304 you know, the gathering of Latter day Saints 994 00:34:39,304 --> 00:34:40,924 online, hopefully, we're improving 995 00:34:41,224 --> 00:34:43,864 the the the experience, the gospel, Zion, and 996 00:34:43,864 --> 00:34:46,184 and building it together. So thanks for joining 997 00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:49,644 us. Remember, go to leadingsaints.org/14 998 00:34:49,704 --> 00:34:52,500 to access the remarkable presentation by Anthony Sweat 999 00:34:52,739 --> 00:34:54,440 about ambiguity and doctrine. 1000 00:35:03,699 --> 00:35:04,514 It came as 1001 00:35:11,752 --> 00:35:12,252 the 1002 00:35:19,469 --> 00:35:20,289 the only 1003 00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:23,230 true and living Church upon the face of 1004 00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:23,969 the earth, 1005 00:35:24,429 --> 00:35:27,230 we were immediately put in a position of 1006 00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:27,730 loneliness, 1007 00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:29,650 the loneliness of leadership 1008 00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:33,570 from which we cannot shrink nor run away, 1009 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,080 and to which we must face up with 1010 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,620 boldness and courage 1011 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,061 and ability.