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So my name is Kurt Frankem and I

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am the founder and executive director of Leading

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Saints and, obviously, the host of the Leading

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Saints podcast. Now I started Leading Saints back

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in 02/2010. It was just a hobby blog

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and it grew from there. By the time,

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02/2014

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came around, we started the podcast and that's

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really when it got some,

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traction and took off, 02/2016.

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We became a five zero one c three

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nonprofit organization, and we've been growing ever since.

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And now I get the opportunity

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of interviewing and talking with remarkable people all

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over the world. Now this is a segment

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we do on the Leading Saints podcast called

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How I Lead, and we reach out to

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everyday leaders. They're not experts, gurus, authors,

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PhDs. They're just everyday leaders who've been asked

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to serve in a specific leadership calling, and

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we simply ask them, how is it that

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you lead? And they go through some remarkable

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principles that should be in a book, that

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should be behind a PhD.

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They're usually that good, and, we just talk

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about, sharing what the other guy is doing.

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And I remember being a leader just simply

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wanting to know, k. I know what I'm

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trying to do, but what's the other guy

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guy doing? What's working for him? And so

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that's why every Wednesday or so, we publish

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these how I lead segments

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to share.

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Alright. You're in for a treat on this

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How I Lead interview. We talk with John

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Holdaway, who is the president of the Seoul,

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Korea Military

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District.

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And, boy, with that comes all sorts of

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unique dynamics

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and turnover and people moving and coming and,

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you know, people serving as branch president for

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six weeks and or shorter. Right? And there's

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so much to learn here. And John just

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himself with military background, and

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he has so many phenomenal leadership principles. Big

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shout out to Cash Hills

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who, simply simply sent us an email and

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said, hey. You had a talk with John.

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I know he's on the other side of

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the globe, but let's make it happen. And

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so it was 7AM for him. It was

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3PM for me, and we got it recorded

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and, through the miracles of the Internet and

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technology. So a few things to listen in

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here. Just the concept of revelation

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and making revelation a priority in your leadership

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journey. I think it's just it feels so

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elementary at times, but it's it's crucial. Sometimes

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we forget about it in the hustle and

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bustle.

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leader, sometimes we can just get in the

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rut of meetings, but, the way that he

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inspires

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individuals,

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other leaders that he presides over to do

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something is awesome. And then just ministering to

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individual branch presidents, elders, corps presidents, relief study

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presidents, making sure that they're okay. You know,

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you have to make sure that,

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sometimes people just lose themselves in this calling,

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not not in a good way to find

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themselves, but to lose themselves. And and it

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creates some some tension and some mental health

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concerns. And so just the way that he

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mindful of of how to you know, the

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the leaders that he is ministering to, I

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think is powerful, especially when we talk about

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these these district level level or these stake

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level callings, is always be mindful of just

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how the leaders are are doing are really

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doing. Because if you ask them straight up

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without digging further, they're just gonna say, oh,

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I'm fine. No. Don't worry about me. We're

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we'll handle it. We'll figure it out. Right?

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Right? So there's so many more principles. We

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go an hour. I was shooting for thirty

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minutes, but, you know, there's no rules here

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on leading safe. I'll go an hour if

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I wanna go an hour, and you will

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appreciate it. So here's my interview with John

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Holdaway,

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the president of the Seoul Korea Military District.

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Alright. It's the afternoon for me, but it's

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the wee hours of the morning in Seoul,

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Korea. I'm talking with John Holdaway. How are

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you? Doing great. You know, getting up early

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is okay. I think, this is it's a

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wonderful nightmare.

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That's great. Now,

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you're you're originally from Pleasant Grove, Utah. So

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how how does a Pleasant Grove, Utah kid

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end up in Seoul, Korea?

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I have no idea. It's, it's been a

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long trail that's involved Germany and Washington, DC,

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and I've been trying now since 1998

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to get back to Utah.

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The The Lord just keeps throwing me further

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and further away and said you need more

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to learn. So,

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yeah. Yeah. Here I am. So is it

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a a military thing that takes you there

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or a business? Or Yeah. I am a

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a DOD civil actually, department of the army

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civilian here in, Korea with US Forces Korea.

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operations here.

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Awesome. Is but you're you said you're a

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a a civilian, like a contractor type thing?

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time in the military? Or Yeah. So I

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did eight years active duty military and, was

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an army JAG officer. I originally actually started

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with the Utah Army National Guard there in

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Provo,

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as an intelligence

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specialist,

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learning how to interrogate people and ask hard

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questions. And so that made a a natural

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fit to being a lawyer, and so I

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spent eight years as a JAG officer and

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finished up in Germany. And we were gonna

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have our our family in Germany. It was

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a wonderful experience.

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spent a little bit of time in private

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practice in Los Angeles, and then, realized I

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wasn't very good at that. And so came

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back into government service as a civilian,

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and spent,

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about fourteen years in Washington DC.

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I originally served my mission here in Korea.

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I met my wife here. She's from Los

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Angeles. I'm from Utah County. We met in

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Korea as missionaries, came back, dated, and and,

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but our love is here in Korea. So

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when this job I have I mean, now

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opened up,

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it was, a wonderful opportunity to come back

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and and be here.

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a wonderful time with speaking Korean and and

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reminiscing about your mission. And What's great is

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is that, we met, their Seoul temple up

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is up in Seoul, and, there's a church

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building next to it, the Sinchon Ward.

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in that ward.

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it was so we every time we go

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to the temple, we had to kinda pinch

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ourselves.

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We may have gone up to the room,

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which used to be our district meeting room.

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We may have sneaked a kiss or two

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now that we're married.

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Nice. Yeah. But, we so we it's just

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it's just wonderful to be back here after

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thirty some odd years.

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wander. Yeah. So how long have you been

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there on this stint? Five years. Just the

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my fifth anniversary.

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you should be there, or is it just

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for civilian employees in the federal government is

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a little, a little shaky right now. Yeah.

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I I've always taken I you know, I'm

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I love people who can plan their careers

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out and say, this is what I wanna

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do, and they go get it, and they

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really plan their lives. I've never been that

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way. I've I've I've tried to do that

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and it's never worked out right. And so

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at some point, I learned to, like, let

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let literally, it's a revelatory process. Let the

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lord lead you where you want to go

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when you find that he'll put you in

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places and to do things. And and then

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when the next it's time to do the

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next thing, you'll know when it's time to

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move on and go do the next thing.

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to that, let them already lead you. Your

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life can be an adventure. You find yourself

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in Korea, not I if you don't mind,

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I tell a story about how we ended

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up here. So

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I was working as a civilian,

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attorney at the Defense Intelligence Agency in DC.

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Most of my career has been in the

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intelligence field. And, I was pretty good at

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what I did and and really enjoyed it

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and was tracking to become the senior executive.

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And my boss had created a position for

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me in the agency, but you have to

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apply for the job they want you to

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do. So he says go online and apply

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for this job. You'll be you're the candidate

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for it. We really want you to to

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take a shot at this.

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I'm on the website that has all the

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federal jobs, and I'm scrolling through it. And

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right above, the job I was supposed to

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apply for was this job in Korea called

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the special adviser to the judge advocate, senior

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civilian attorney.

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It it you get you're in the thick

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of everything here, Korean and United States relations

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with Korea. And I thought, well, I don't

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really know how how to do that job,

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but I'll give it a shot. Come to

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find out the the decision authority, the senior

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attorney here, was an old friend from my

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master's program. We were,

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classmates at National Defense University.

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And, when he saw my resume come across

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the, his desk, he says that's the guy

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I wanna hire right there. And here we

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are. And it's interesting that, yeah, I've done

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great work with with, with the military here

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in Korea and involved in some wonderful things

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very, very high level things. But the opportunity

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to come here and be a district president,

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that's really the exciting part about being here.

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Get to do some really good work here.

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Yeah. So, yeah, you're currently serving as the

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district president. What what's the story behind being

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called to that?

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Well, so,

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middle of COVID and the previous district president,

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a wonderful district president,

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because of COVID and these issues, he couldn't

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come back and and so they needed a

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new district president and and the,

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area presidency

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by Zoom. And we we we embrace technology

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here. So because the district area presidency couldn't

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get here,

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we had had to do all the interviews

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for district president by Zoom. And so I

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interviewed and, elder James Rasman of the '70,

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felt it I guess, felt inspired

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to call me and,

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here we are. So and it's been a

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it's been a great ride.

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That's great. Now if I understand right from

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what, I think one of your is is

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Cash one of your counselors that recommended you?

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Yeah. Cash Hill is one of my counselors.

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Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Trouble.

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Yeah. You know, he mentioned that, because I

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think, typically, when you're a you're a district

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president, you report to the mission president in

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the area, but you you report to Area

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70. Is that right? Or the Yeah. Yeah.

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Area presidency? We are unique. There's only two

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of us that I'm aware of in the

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church where,

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we're not a stake or a district, but

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because of the way because of our our

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mission and who we support and serve

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and and the geography we sit in, we

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don't answer to a mission presence. So,

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we have I have stake by Keyes, our

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stake

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president keys for the most part. I'm not

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the senior high priest. I don't have a

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patriarch.

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But every other respect, we operate as a

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stake.

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And,

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at the time was, president Ballard had,

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given special dispensation to my district and then

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my counterpart in Okinawa, the Okinawa military district,

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to function as a state president. So I

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I call missionaries.

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I we do, you know,

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alive and down in temple records. We do

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all the things that a state president does,

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and have those keys, those special keys.

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Just there's a few things we just are

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we don't have to find because we're so

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transient. People are moving so people are still

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moving around so much in and out that

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the kind of things that we don't have,

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we really don't need because

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we're just so fluid and and, everything just

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moves so quick. So, yeah, when I got

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called, my my dad says, well, you're not

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quite a steak,

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but you kinda look like a steak. He

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says, I'm gonna call you a Salisbury steak.

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Not quite a steak, but close enough. Yeah.

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So,

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so so we've been operating under those keys.

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And and so because of that, we cover

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the entire Peninsula Of Korea

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from the DMZ

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down to the the Southern Coast.

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In fact, I I joke we have a

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branch that borders the DMZ, and I joke

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that branch president. Well, technically,

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we cover all the way up to China

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through up to North Korea. So if there

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were any,

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English speaking members of the church in North

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Korea, we would have,

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responsibility to minister to them as well.

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And so,

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so we really do cover the entire peninsula.

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But from the EOC down to the down

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to the the Southern Coast, there's every three

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missions. So I work with three different mission

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presidents,

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and,

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we have six branches. We have a serviceman's

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group,

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that cover all the way from the North

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Of Seoul all the way down to to

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Busan.

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And, it's so it it's a challenge. It's

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a logistical challenge to to oversee all that.

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It's huge. It's not like a, you know,

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a Utah County state where the state president

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can walk

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every reward in the in in the state.

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It's a little bit different of a challenge

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over here. Nice. Well, just for clickbait, I'm

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gonna, like, title this episode the the district

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president in North Korea and see he'll be

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like, what? There's

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The president may not like that, but yeah.

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Yeah. Exactly. So so yeah. So as far

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as priesthood lines of authority, I I I

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answered directly to my my file leader is

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elder John a McCune, the president of the

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North Area agent North Area president presidency.

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I've got a wonderful,

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Area 70, elder Darwin Halverson, who's a church

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employee in Japan,

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who who who oversees me, gives me correction

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and guidance when I need it.

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My coordinating council is not in Korea. My

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coordinating council is a special group. That's myself,

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president Francis, the Okinawa military district president. And

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then with the Guam and Micronesia

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district and state presidents, which is just fascinating

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to see that how the church is administered

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in the islands,

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and the challenges they have. And you really

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are we get appreciative for the challenges that

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we have here because it's nothing like the

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challenge we have down there. We may not

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have electricity or water or, you know, it's

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just a different different, way of living life

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down there. So it's it's great to to

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to,

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to associate with these brethren that are that

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are leading the church in their areas and

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see how they do things. Yeah. So this

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is a a military district so that does

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that

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assumption come that all your units are are

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English speaking? Yes. So so,

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you know, the history of of the military

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in Korea begins in in

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'24, really nineteen fifty to fifty three during

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the Korean War.

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And with that, like anywhere else in the

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world, with with military, you hit the church.

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And so a lot of great faithful brother

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had come over here during the war and

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and the gospel seed started being planted. But

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ever since that that mid fifties, we've had

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a a district here that supports the the

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large military presence.

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That presence has dropped off over the last

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twenty years or so, but we have, with

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the rise of the Korean economy, a great

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expat community. And so

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we are,

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we serve we serve and minister to,

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basically, the way the area of presence, he

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puts it, all non Korean speaking members of

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the church. We really have a stewardship for

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them

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and and support and sustain them. So,

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it's it's

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I would say, you know, again, I I

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haven't traveled a lot around the church, but

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I would dare say we're probably one of

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the most diverse

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stakes or districts of the church.

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We have our military members from The United

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States. We have a United Nations command here,

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so we'll have officers and members of the

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church from

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Australia, Canada,

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United Kingdom, and all around the world to

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come here. We have Korea has really,

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reached out to

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bring it in and and and,

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have immigration immigrate into the country, foreign workers.

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So we have a lot of Filipino saints

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here who work in various factories.

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We have, again, our our business folks up

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in Seoul. We have English teachers, these young

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folks that come to teach English, and they're

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coming from Philippines and Canada and United States.

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One of our branch presidents is from Mexico.

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His predecessor is from Australia.

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And then we have this really unique opportunity,

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when

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Liberia and West Africa had a civil war,

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the international community was asked to take in

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refugees from Liberia.

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And Korea, this is something they really don't

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do. It's a monoculture here that's really

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the world to them is is,

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it's been interesting as they they they increase

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their presence on the world stage. And part

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of that was is they accepted a handful

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of Liberian refugees, and of those,

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about 20 of them are members of the

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church. And so we support and sustain these

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African refugees from Liberia who have just

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horrific stories about what happened,

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and and, just the trauma they went through.

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But it's really our blessing to be able

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to to support and and help them. So

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we really have this interesting, weird diversity

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of members who have different issues, different challenges,

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different backgrounds they come from, and it just

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it it it enriches the our our service

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here.

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Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome.

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And so do you I I mean, do

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you interact with the the traditional

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Korean steaks Korean speaking steaks very much? Is

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or is it pretty pretty separated as far

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as, you know, interacting with them? We we

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try. We try really hard. It it's,

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is is I try to teach our folks

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on on our side, not that there are

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fences, but on ours from where we sit,

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is we're yes. We're yes here. And we

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we,

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especially Americans, can tend to be a little

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overwhelming.

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And so,

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so we have to remember we're guests here.

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This is their

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country, and and so we really wanna support

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and sustain the members here.

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But we do as much as we can.

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I have great relationships with the temple presidency

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because we're up there at the temple all

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the time.

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One of the stake presidents in Seoul is

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actually a former mission companion of mine. Oh,

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wow. And so,

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and, I always joke with him because I

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think of, you know, my wife was a

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missionary there as well, and I I always

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joke that I think he had a crush

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on my my wife.

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So,

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and, the other area seventies here in Korea

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have a wonderful relationship with them.

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Our young single adults, we really are trying

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hard to integrate our young single adults with

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the Korean young single adults. So we have

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these touch points

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with the Korean states. They're they're just really

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wonderful. When we have areas, authorities, general officers

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of the church come, we all gather together

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and and and get to that training together.

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So, yeah, it's it's we we have a

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small presence, but they're doing their thing. We're

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doing ours, and we just try to support

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each other as much as we can. Yeah.

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That's awesome. That's great.

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And then,

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Cash also mentioned that your

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there's the transient nature

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of your district that, you've not had a

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branch president stay longer than nine months. So

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you're constantly,

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changing some of those the the those callings

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that are typically seen as very long term

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callings. Right? What's

534
00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:31,059
how how does that work, and what have

535
00:19:31,059 --> 00:19:33,399
you learned just from managing a transient,

536
00:19:33,859 --> 00:19:36,099
district? So, yeah, we we don't talk in

537
00:19:36,099 --> 00:19:37,859
the church. We don't use the phrase talent

538
00:19:37,859 --> 00:19:39,674
management. We don't we don't talk about that

539
00:19:39,674 --> 00:19:42,234
very well. Right. I there's there's reasons for

540
00:19:42,234 --> 00:19:43,914
that. I I I Yeah. There are reasons

541
00:19:43,914 --> 00:19:45,755
for that. But but in a district where

542
00:19:45,755 --> 00:19:47,274
we have people moving in and out so

543
00:19:47,274 --> 00:19:47,774
quickly,

544
00:19:48,075 --> 00:19:50,794
talent management, succession planning, those kind of principles

545
00:19:50,794 --> 00:19:53,840
really become important because we have to develop

546
00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,160
the next generation who's gonna be probably next

547
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,539
month. And so,

548
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,460
we really do an effort,

549
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,840
reach out to our young single adults and,

550
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,920
like, what what you know, we we haven't

551
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,840
have these leadership columns where we can train

552
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,600
them because they may need to step up

553
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,684
as people move out.

554
00:20:09,965 --> 00:20:12,445
And so, it it becomes a challenge. Right?

555
00:20:12,445 --> 00:20:14,684
Like, in the military, the summer, we have

556
00:20:14,684 --> 00:20:15,664
the summer cycle

557
00:20:16,845 --> 00:20:17,325
where,

558
00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:19,884
it's called PCS, permanent change of station. I'll

559
00:20:19,884 --> 00:20:21,400
use all these military terms on it. So

560
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,400
we get this PCS season, and we have

561
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,759
people just moving in and out, in and

562
00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:26,839
out, in and out. And so right now,

563
00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:28,779
it's February going into March,

564
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:29,720
and,

565
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,319
I'm, right now have up on my computer

566
00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,474
what I call my projected loss list.

567
00:20:35,954 --> 00:20:38,755
Of all the callings, I'm I'm losing five

568
00:20:38,755 --> 00:20:40,054
members of my high council,

569
00:20:40,355 --> 00:20:42,934
my executive secretary. I'm losing two branch presidents,

570
00:20:43,634 --> 00:20:46,035
couple of elders quorum presidents, counselors, and all

571
00:20:46,035 --> 00:20:46,934
of those organizations.

572
00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:50,529
I've got one branch that the branch president,

573
00:20:50,529 --> 00:20:52,630
the elders quorum president, and all the counselors

574
00:20:53,170 --> 00:20:55,730
are going away. So so you have to

575
00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:58,210
really think in advance. And then the other

576
00:20:58,210 --> 00:20:59,890
key is and this is kinda like my

577
00:20:59,890 --> 00:21:02,690
biggest leadership thing that I I I I

578
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:04,544
I just caught and learned that this is

579
00:21:04,544 --> 00:21:06,884
so important, is you have to be revelatory.

580
00:21:08,224 --> 00:21:09,664
My wife taught me this when we first

581
00:21:09,664 --> 00:21:11,025
moved here. When we first moved here, we

582
00:21:11,025 --> 00:21:12,384
moved in our branch. She was called as

583
00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:14,384
the elite society president. She'd been here two

584
00:21:14,384 --> 00:21:16,325
weeks, and she's the elite society president.

585
00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:18,359
And COVID hit and we were in the

586
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,819
middle of this this summer cycle

587
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:20,599
and,

588
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,799
she learned very quickly. She had to figure

589
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:25,399
out how to how to how to fellowship

590
00:21:25,399 --> 00:21:27,339
and administer to the sisters in her branch.

591
00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:29,799
And the principle she learned was called love

592
00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:30,299
quickly.

593
00:21:30,815 --> 00:21:32,914
You just have to you don't have time

594
00:21:33,054 --> 00:21:35,134
to be in a ward for five years,

595
00:21:35,134 --> 00:21:37,214
ten years, and learn to get to know

596
00:21:37,214 --> 00:21:39,134
people over time. You have to get to

597
00:21:39,134 --> 00:21:40,835
know people very quickly.

598
00:21:41,295 --> 00:21:42,035
And so,

599
00:21:42,575 --> 00:21:44,734
on Zoom, she would sponsor these Zoom sort

600
00:21:44,734 --> 00:21:45,714
of speed dating,

601
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,339
events with the sisters in her branch

602
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,400
where you get up and people kind of

603
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,039
move in rooms with each other and get

604
00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:54,159
to know each other, and you just have

605
00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:55,140
to move quickly.

606
00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:57,299
And because of that as a leader,

607
00:21:57,839 --> 00:21:59,220
when you're looking at callings,

608
00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:00,579
you have to

609
00:22:01,154 --> 00:22:04,195
get that calling completed very, very quickly. You

610
00:22:04,195 --> 00:22:05,095
can't sit,

611
00:22:05,634 --> 00:22:06,775
and wait for,

612
00:22:07,715 --> 00:22:09,795
you know, something to come. You know, you

613
00:22:09,795 --> 00:22:10,835
you have to go out and tell the

614
00:22:10,835 --> 00:22:12,994
lord, I need revelation now, and and he

615
00:22:12,994 --> 00:22:15,015
does it. I have great experiences

616
00:22:15,394 --> 00:22:15,715
here.

617
00:22:16,650 --> 00:22:18,349
One time, we had a branch president,

618
00:22:19,289 --> 00:22:21,130
wonderful branch president. He was doing an amazing

619
00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:22,809
job. He had very young children. In fact,

620
00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:24,330
I knew when I extended the call to

621
00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:25,690
him, this would be a challenge for his

622
00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:28,170
family. But I knew he had the faith

623
00:22:28,170 --> 00:22:29,609
and his wife had the faith to do

624
00:22:29,609 --> 00:22:31,265
this. And they were doing great,

625
00:22:31,664 --> 00:22:33,424
and the family was doing great, but then

626
00:22:33,424 --> 00:22:36,065
she, had a difficult pregnancy and their baby

627
00:22:36,065 --> 00:22:37,585
was born early and ended up in NICU

628
00:22:37,585 --> 00:22:39,184
and and I could see the stress. But

629
00:22:39,184 --> 00:22:40,304
I I went to him and I said,

630
00:22:40,304 --> 00:22:41,664
no. This is how not to do it.

631
00:22:41,664 --> 00:22:43,599
I said, said, you tell me when it's

632
00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:44,880
time for you to be tell me when

633
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,880
when you need to ring the bell and

634
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,720
and you need to be released. That that

635
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,240
was the wrong answer. I was not taking

636
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,000
care of my branch president. Well, I should've

637
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,400
released him on the spot because he needed

638
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,079
to take care of his number one priority,

639
00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:57,140
which was his family.

640
00:22:57,535 --> 00:22:59,375
Yeah. But he he did. He's not not

641
00:22:59,375 --> 00:23:01,615
present. I got it. I'm good. We'll we'll

642
00:23:01,615 --> 00:23:02,595
work through this.

643
00:23:03,535 --> 00:23:05,075
And then a couple months later,

644
00:23:05,694 --> 00:23:06,674
I'm in the temple

645
00:23:07,134 --> 00:23:07,615
and,

646
00:23:08,255 --> 00:23:10,355
I literally was walking down the hallway

647
00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:13,119
and I about fell over. The the the

648
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:13,619
impression

649
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,220
was so strong,

650
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,420
release

651
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,179
president Madsen

652
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:19,059
now

653
00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:21,059
and then call

654
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:23,779
this other brother to be the branch president.

655
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:25,220
And I thought,

656
00:23:26,325 --> 00:23:28,565
wow. This is just amazing. Like, literally and

657
00:23:28,565 --> 00:23:30,005
so I walked out of the temple that

658
00:23:30,005 --> 00:23:31,384
day, called my counselors.

659
00:23:32,005 --> 00:23:33,924
We we had a, we, you know in

660
00:23:33,924 --> 00:23:35,605
our next presidency meeting, we sat down and

661
00:23:35,605 --> 00:23:38,164
prayed and, boy, we received that revelation very

662
00:23:38,164 --> 00:23:40,019
quickly, and we moved out within a week.

663
00:23:40,099 --> 00:23:41,140
As soon as the as soon as the

664
00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:43,220
air presidency gave us the the heads up,

665
00:23:43,539 --> 00:23:45,059
to to to make the change and gave

666
00:23:45,059 --> 00:23:47,220
us the authority to do that, we moved

667
00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:49,000
out very, very quickly. And so,

668
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:50,920
you have to be

669
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:52,200
constantly

670
00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:55,299
revelatory and have faith that when you receive

671
00:23:55,299 --> 00:23:55,994
that prompting,

672
00:23:56,474 --> 00:23:58,734
you move out. Another another great example is,

673
00:23:59,835 --> 00:24:01,835
I was a counselor to the previous district

674
00:24:01,835 --> 00:24:02,335
president.

675
00:24:02,954 --> 00:24:04,954
And so as I council, one of the

676
00:24:04,954 --> 00:24:07,515
things he really wanted was a a a

677
00:24:07,515 --> 00:24:09,694
social media specialist for the district.

678
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,279
And, and so okay. So we put it

679
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:13,960
on our tracker. This is where we're tracking.

680
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,319
We need to find somebody. And so he

681
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:16,599
says, okay. As you go out and visit

682
00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:18,839
the branch the the the different branches, be

683
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:20,919
prayerful and let let's let's kinda find somebody

684
00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:21,819
to fill out.

685
00:24:22,365 --> 00:24:23,964
Month months went by, we just could never

686
00:24:23,964 --> 00:24:25,325
find that person. If I'm in on the

687
00:24:25,325 --> 00:24:27,005
district president, hey. This is a priority. I

688
00:24:27,005 --> 00:24:28,204
agree. We need to have a social media

689
00:24:28,204 --> 00:24:28,704
specialist.

690
00:24:29,164 --> 00:24:31,244
And we prayed and kept thinking about it

691
00:24:31,244 --> 00:24:33,585
and kept thinking about names. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

692
00:24:34,619 --> 00:24:37,019
Eighteen months later, I'm walking into a branch

693
00:24:37,019 --> 00:24:38,779
and there's this new brother and his family,

694
00:24:38,779 --> 00:24:39,279
navy,

695
00:24:39,820 --> 00:24:40,640
navy officer.

696
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:43,660
And, and I introduced myself to him and

697
00:24:43,660 --> 00:24:45,740
I I felt inspired to ask him, what's

698
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:47,740
your experience with social media? He says, oh,

699
00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:49,500
I was the social media specialist in the

700
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,115
world I just

701
00:24:50,914 --> 00:24:51,634
came from. And,

702
00:24:52,194 --> 00:24:53,015
I almost

703
00:24:53,394 --> 00:24:54,914
called him on the spot. I thought, no.

704
00:24:54,914 --> 00:24:56,615
It's a process. We'll do the process.

705
00:24:57,394 --> 00:24:59,315
And, so we went through the process very

706
00:24:59,315 --> 00:25:01,234
quickly and, yeah, he was called as our

707
00:25:01,234 --> 00:25:02,849
social media specialist. The lord

708
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:05,809
provided the individual that we needed when we

709
00:25:05,809 --> 00:25:07,970
needed it, and we just had to be

710
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:09,589
ready to receive that revelation

711
00:25:10,049 --> 00:25:12,210
to know this is the individual you need

712
00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:12,789
to call.

713
00:25:13,169 --> 00:25:15,089
That is so key to how we do

714
00:25:15,089 --> 00:25:17,065
leadership in the church. Yeah.

715
00:25:17,444 --> 00:25:20,404
And with that process of being revelatory and

716
00:25:20,404 --> 00:25:22,005
it sort of being in that state of

717
00:25:22,005 --> 00:25:23,444
mind, is there anything else that comes to

718
00:25:23,444 --> 00:25:25,285
mind if you were to coach or mentor

719
00:25:25,285 --> 00:25:28,184
somebody who's sort of beginning to understand,

720
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,559
you know, or beginning to experience these leadership

721
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,000
experiences. Is there anything else comes to mind

722
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,779
of how to effectively do that?

723
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,080
I think, yeah, I think part of it

724
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,799
is is is,

725
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,019
you have to have faith

726
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,779
that it's gonna work. So revelation

727
00:25:42,654 --> 00:25:44,194
is tied to faith. The

728
00:25:45,134 --> 00:25:47,295
the the brother have always taught that, first

729
00:25:47,295 --> 00:25:48,894
of all, is that still small? But if

730
00:25:48,894 --> 00:25:51,214
if if if you have to really listen.

731
00:25:51,214 --> 00:25:52,974
And then when you feel that that that

732
00:25:52,974 --> 00:25:53,875
first inkling

733
00:25:54,255 --> 00:25:55,775
of, hey. Maybe this is the direction to

734
00:25:55,775 --> 00:25:57,950
go, You can't discount it. I I remember

735
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:59,869
stories that president Monge used to tell about,

736
00:25:59,869 --> 00:26:01,869
you know, going and doing ministering to people.

737
00:26:01,869 --> 00:26:03,629
And and when he get that prompting, it

738
00:26:03,629 --> 00:26:05,710
could be a small prompting. He moved. He

739
00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:06,210
executed.

740
00:26:06,829 --> 00:26:08,349
And that's that where you have to move

741
00:26:08,349 --> 00:26:10,835
and execute. Now have we been successful? We

742
00:26:10,835 --> 00:26:12,054
we feel we received

743
00:26:12,355 --> 00:26:14,115
a prompting to to take it for a

744
00:26:14,115 --> 00:26:16,355
particular direction, go to a particular direction, extend

745
00:26:16,355 --> 00:26:19,154
particular calling. Has that always worked out? No.

746
00:26:19,154 --> 00:26:19,815
It hasn't.

747
00:26:20,355 --> 00:26:22,115
Yeah. I don't know the mind and the

748
00:26:22,115 --> 00:26:24,480
will of the Lord. I remember we extended

749
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,600
a call to a brother to serve on

750
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,119
the high council. We thought this is perfect.

751
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,320
This would be good for him, good for

752
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,240
us. He had some some special skills he

753
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,000
needs. And it just happened to be that

754
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,600
president Hill was in the room with me

755
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,900
when I extended the calling.

756
00:26:35,375 --> 00:26:35,875
And,

757
00:26:36,335 --> 00:26:38,494
shortly in extending that calling, it was pretty

758
00:26:38,494 --> 00:26:38,994
clear

759
00:26:39,455 --> 00:26:41,855
we should not be extending him this calling.

760
00:26:41,855 --> 00:26:43,235
He had some other things

761
00:26:43,695 --> 00:26:45,615
to to to to some other priorities in

762
00:26:45,615 --> 00:26:48,115
his life that he needed to focus on.

763
00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:51,460
And afterwards, I kinda had a little soul

764
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,380
struggle about, well, wait a minute. We felt

765
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:55,059
so comfortable. We prayed about this. We felt

766
00:26:55,059 --> 00:26:56,580
this is the right way to go. And

767
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:58,500
so I don't know the reason why. I

768
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,340
can only surmise that maybe it's because he

769
00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:02,664
just needed to know that he was

770
00:27:03,444 --> 00:27:05,605
we loved him and that we considered him

771
00:27:05,605 --> 00:27:07,765
worthy and and capable of his calling, but

772
00:27:07,765 --> 00:27:09,444
it's just not the right time. But it

773
00:27:09,444 --> 00:27:11,924
helps build his confidence and to help solve

774
00:27:11,924 --> 00:27:13,605
the problems he had to know that, yeah,

775
00:27:13,605 --> 00:27:15,044
I could have had this call, but I

776
00:27:15,044 --> 00:27:16,184
I can't right now.

777
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:18,470
Who knows? But you have to go with

778
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:20,710
faith that that that that that that the

779
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:22,630
lord has a plan for for us and

780
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:24,390
for the members that we work with, that

781
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:25,910
whatever decision we make is the right answer.

782
00:27:25,910 --> 00:27:27,690
Actually, it's it's not always gonna work.

783
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:30,484
But but let let the world react. Another

784
00:27:30,484 --> 00:27:32,085
great example was when I was a state

785
00:27:32,085 --> 00:27:32,984
government's president,

786
00:27:33,524 --> 00:27:35,784
we had, planned this huge,

787
00:27:38,724 --> 00:27:41,204
youth, weekend. We're gonna be renting buses and

788
00:27:41,204 --> 00:27:42,244
we're gonna go up to New York. This

789
00:27:42,244 --> 00:27:43,740
is where I was in Annapolis. And we

790
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:44,940
were gonna go up to New York City

791
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:46,539
and we're gonna go to the Statue Of

792
00:27:46,539 --> 00:27:49,420
Liberty and do family history genealogy stuff, genealogy

793
00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:49,920
thing.

794
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:52,299
And the night before we were supposed to

795
00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:54,859
go and move 200 youth to some New

796
00:27:54,859 --> 00:27:57,505
York City, the bus comp company canceled on

797
00:27:57,505 --> 00:27:58,625
us. And Oh, wow.

798
00:27:59,345 --> 00:28:01,424
It it was ugly. It might I I

799
00:28:01,424 --> 00:28:04,225
switched from state government's president mode, lawyer mode,

800
00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:06,065
and my kids still talk about me standing

801
00:28:06,065 --> 00:28:08,065
in the parking lot of the church yelling

802
00:28:08,065 --> 00:28:10,590
at the bus company in my lawyer voice,

803
00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:11,090
Freddie.

804
00:28:11,789 --> 00:28:12,289
Yep.

805
00:28:12,670 --> 00:28:14,369
Yep. Sure. And, of course, the area,

806
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:17,309
area 70 says, well, we'll take a much

807
00:28:17,309 --> 00:28:17,549
more,

808
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:21,009
you know, basically Christ like attitude for dollars.

809
00:28:21,894 --> 00:28:22,875
Good lesson, Warner.

810
00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:25,015
But, the next morning, we show up at

811
00:28:25,015 --> 00:28:26,214
five in the morning. We're supposed to leave.

812
00:28:26,214 --> 00:28:28,134
We have 200 youth, and we were supposed

813
00:28:28,134 --> 00:28:30,535
to do something with them. We planned all

814
00:28:30,535 --> 00:28:32,054
this. What do we do? And and we

815
00:28:32,054 --> 00:28:33,815
as leaders, not with the state president and

816
00:28:33,815 --> 00:28:35,740
and young men and women leaders, what do

817
00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:37,740
we do? And we threw together a youth

818
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:38,240
conference

819
00:28:39,179 --> 00:28:40,000
in ten minutes.

820
00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:42,460
And, of course, the youth were disappointed, but

821
00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:43,819
we we, you know, sister so and so

822
00:28:43,819 --> 00:28:45,019
said I can do this, and brother so

823
00:28:45,019 --> 00:28:46,460
and so I can do this. We did

824
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:48,799
a a scavenger hunt through the Downtown Annapolis

825
00:28:48,859 --> 00:28:49,359
area,

826
00:28:49,914 --> 00:28:50,954
just to get the kids out of the

827
00:28:50,954 --> 00:28:53,195
building, and we ended by about noon or

828
00:28:53,195 --> 00:28:55,595
01:00. We ordered some food in and and

829
00:28:55,595 --> 00:28:57,914
and and while it was stressful for the

830
00:28:57,914 --> 00:28:59,755
leaders and especially the poor sister that had

831
00:28:59,755 --> 00:29:02,315
organized the whole thing, if everything had fallen

832
00:29:02,315 --> 00:29:03,835
out, you know, it would have been pulled

833
00:29:03,835 --> 00:29:05,115
out from under her. She felt like she

834
00:29:05,115 --> 00:29:05,369
failed,

835
00:29:07,289 --> 00:29:09,690
but she didn't. It the the youth walked

836
00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:12,329
away with a massive spiritual experience. The the

837
00:29:12,329 --> 00:29:13,549
testimony meeting afterwards

838
00:29:14,009 --> 00:29:16,089
that were born by those youth that said,

839
00:29:16,089 --> 00:29:17,710
oh, we can do hard things.

840
00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:19,789
We can adapt and overcome

841
00:29:20,535 --> 00:29:22,455
challenges. And that became then that they're going

842
00:29:22,455 --> 00:29:24,154
from family history to

843
00:29:24,535 --> 00:29:25,035
adapting

844
00:29:25,335 --> 00:29:26,634
and overcoming challenges.

845
00:29:27,174 --> 00:29:29,414
And and by example, showing that we could

846
00:29:29,414 --> 00:29:31,335
do this youth conference, that it really touched

847
00:29:31,335 --> 00:29:32,475
the lives of those youth.

848
00:29:32,849 --> 00:29:34,289
So, you know, you get this you see

849
00:29:34,289 --> 00:29:35,490
you see the Lord is taking you down

850
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:36,929
this path, and he'll go, no. No. No.

851
00:29:36,929 --> 00:29:38,450
No. No. No. No. No. We're gonna go

852
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:41,170
this direction instead. Now walk with me. And

853
00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:43,569
it's amazing what sort of experiences you can

854
00:29:43,569 --> 00:29:44,069
have.

855
00:29:44,609 --> 00:29:47,264
Yeah. For sure. And, you know, speaking more

856
00:29:47,264 --> 00:29:49,044
about just that, revelation

857
00:29:49,345 --> 00:29:51,424
and that process of receiving revelation, do you

858
00:29:51,424 --> 00:29:53,825
feel like because, naturally, with the Transient District,

859
00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:55,825
do you have certain constraints that are just

860
00:29:55,904 --> 00:29:57,744
they're inconvenient, but they are what they are.

861
00:29:57,744 --> 00:30:00,990
Right? Yeah. Someone gets transferred, you needed to,

862
00:30:00,990 --> 00:30:02,829
you know, figure something out really quickly or

863
00:30:02,829 --> 00:30:05,309
this youth conference example. Mhmm. Do you kinda

864
00:30:05,309 --> 00:30:05,789
feel like sometimes

865
00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:07,710
you know, I I guess, like, where I'm

866
00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:09,549
good, you know, some I worry some leaders

867
00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:12,109
walk around waiting for that temple experience like

868
00:30:12,109 --> 00:30:13,490
you described that where revelation

869
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:15,650
over. And I've had similar experiences.

870
00:30:17,444 --> 00:30:18,804
But do you feel like sometimes you just

871
00:30:18,804 --> 00:30:19,865
gotta make the call?

872
00:30:20,325 --> 00:30:22,325
Yeah. No. That's that's exactly right. Sometimes you

873
00:30:22,325 --> 00:30:23,224
gotta make the call.

874
00:30:23,605 --> 00:30:25,525
And you and that's why that's why revelation

875
00:30:25,525 --> 00:30:27,765
is tied to faith is is that but

876
00:30:27,765 --> 00:30:29,944
I will tell you in every instance where

877
00:30:30,085 --> 00:30:32,490
we have needed to make a quick decision,

878
00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:33,850
we've had taken it to the wall. We

879
00:30:33,850 --> 00:30:35,529
don't just you know, we're not just making

880
00:30:35,529 --> 00:30:37,710
off the cuff decisions. Hopefully, we're not.

881
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:38,650
And,

882
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:41,630
and so we do use pay time,

883
00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:44,410
and you you you seek the will of

884
00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:46,964
the lord. And and and, you know, every

885
00:30:46,964 --> 00:30:48,804
time I've done that, I have felt the

886
00:30:48,804 --> 00:30:50,884
confirming spirit that this is the right thing

887
00:30:50,884 --> 00:30:52,644
to do. So you just have to do

888
00:30:52,644 --> 00:30:53,605
it. You have to do it in time

889
00:30:53,605 --> 00:30:54,884
and you have to give the Lord space

890
00:30:54,884 --> 00:30:57,204
to talk to you. He will respond to

891
00:30:57,204 --> 00:30:59,365
you or you'll get that super thought. You're

892
00:30:59,365 --> 00:31:01,079
like, okay. Maybe we just need to wait.

893
00:31:01,159 --> 00:31:03,079
It's rare, but from time to time, we've

894
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,259
just said, yeah. We'd like to move now,

895
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,500
but we just can't. And so,

896
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,799
you have to do that. That's revelatory as

897
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:10,299
well.

898
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,740
But,

899
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,375
yeah. The other challenge with this is that,

900
00:31:16,015 --> 00:31:17,454
because a lot of the the you know,

901
00:31:17,454 --> 00:31:19,214
again, we we kinda focus on calling, that's

902
00:31:19,214 --> 00:31:20,355
kind of the big challenge,

903
00:31:21,375 --> 00:31:23,454
is that most of the callings we deal

904
00:31:23,454 --> 00:31:25,154
with are keyholder callings.

905
00:31:26,255 --> 00:31:26,994
And because

906
00:31:27,295 --> 00:31:30,279
it's two hours either direction, three, or train

907
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,440
ride, or yeah. You have to schedule things

908
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,960
out. So you have to think long term

909
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,460
planning

910
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,839
and build in space. That's why, like, I've

911
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:37,819
got my June

912
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,549
callings already mapped out because it it can

913
00:31:41,549 --> 00:31:43,500
be key the, the question I always ask

914
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,204
my executive secretary is, where do the keys

915
00:31:45,204 --> 00:31:46,345
need to be this weekend?

916
00:31:46,884 --> 00:31:48,325
Where do I need to be to be

917
00:31:48,325 --> 00:31:51,045
able to execute it and and exercise my

918
00:31:51,045 --> 00:31:53,125
keys to bless or to do whatever it

919
00:31:53,125 --> 00:31:54,164
is I need to be doing? And then

920
00:31:54,164 --> 00:31:56,619
that's again, that's another revelatory process. It's just

921
00:31:56,619 --> 00:31:58,559
to say, where do I need to be?

922
00:31:59,019 --> 00:31:59,500
And,

923
00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:01,659
and so, you know, I I there's an

924
00:32:01,659 --> 00:32:03,339
elder corps president we need to call here

925
00:32:03,339 --> 00:32:04,399
soon. And so,

926
00:32:05,339 --> 00:32:07,339
he's a military soldier, and so he's off

927
00:32:07,339 --> 00:32:08,460
in the field. And so we're trying to

928
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:09,579
time it when he gets back out of

929
00:32:09,579 --> 00:32:11,054
the field. I can meet with him on

930
00:32:11,054 --> 00:32:12,835
Zoom to access issue the call.

931
00:32:13,134 --> 00:32:14,894
And then when do I have a weekend

932
00:32:14,894 --> 00:32:16,095
that I can go up? There's about two

933
00:32:16,095 --> 00:32:17,934
hour drive north of here to go then

934
00:32:17,934 --> 00:32:19,934
and set him apart. And then he'll be

935
00:32:19,934 --> 00:32:21,855
here for for four more months, and then

936
00:32:21,855 --> 00:32:22,410
he's gone.

937
00:32:23,289 --> 00:32:24,970
Just another reason we need to move quickly

938
00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:26,750
so he has the keys to to

939
00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:29,210
to to exercise in his column just for

940
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:30,590
that short period of time.

941
00:32:31,049 --> 00:32:33,470
Yeah. Wow. That's fantastic. That's fantastic.

942
00:32:35,335 --> 00:32:37,174
Is there anything to, like, with these, like,

943
00:32:37,174 --> 00:32:39,014
you know, four months or whatever, the short

944
00:32:39,014 --> 00:32:40,234
period of time, like,

945
00:32:40,694 --> 00:32:42,855
a lot of these callings you know, I'm

946
00:32:42,855 --> 00:32:44,694
serving as an eligible president right now, and,

947
00:32:44,694 --> 00:32:46,054
you know, I think it's been six, seven,

948
00:32:46,054 --> 00:32:47,815
eight months now where I'm, like, I'm still

949
00:32:47,815 --> 00:32:50,970
kind of unfolding my vision. Right? Yeah. Is

950
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:52,190
there anything to, like,

951
00:32:52,569 --> 00:32:53,069
just

952
00:32:53,529 --> 00:32:55,849
getting finding momentum? Because I I hate the

953
00:32:55,849 --> 00:32:57,609
feeling of that person has to feel like

954
00:32:57,609 --> 00:32:59,369
they have to start from square one every

955
00:32:59,369 --> 00:33:01,424
every time a new person's called. Any any

956
00:33:01,505 --> 00:33:03,825
advice come to mind? Well, that's a that's

957
00:33:03,825 --> 00:33:06,945
a loaded question. Momentum's hard. Yeah. Momentum is

958
00:33:06,945 --> 00:33:09,265
really hard, especially where we do so much

959
00:33:09,265 --> 00:33:09,765
turnover.

960
00:33:11,345 --> 00:33:13,184
That so that's why we pick up some

961
00:33:13,184 --> 00:33:13,424
some,

962
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:17,349
some principles from from from the world about,

963
00:33:17,349 --> 00:33:20,470
you know, mark marketing yourself. What I'm really

964
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:23,289
into mission statements and vision statements.

965
00:33:23,589 --> 00:33:25,190
So at least you can put a marker

966
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:26,710
on the wall to say, this is kinda

967
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:28,230
where we think we need to go. And

968
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:29,769
so we base it in,

969
00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:32,075
you know, we start with the with the

970
00:33:32,075 --> 00:33:34,414
work of salvation and exaltation. And so,

971
00:33:35,355 --> 00:33:36,494
when I was a counselor,

972
00:33:36,875 --> 00:33:38,794
in the district presidency, the district president wanted

973
00:33:38,794 --> 00:33:41,194
a mission statement. So drafted a great mission

974
00:33:41,194 --> 00:33:42,875
statement, still our mission statement today, and it

975
00:33:42,875 --> 00:33:45,339
really talks about, you know, helping members along

976
00:33:45,339 --> 00:33:46,480
the covenant path,

977
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:48,700
and helping them build a relationship with their

978
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:50,799
heavenly father and their spirit Jesus Christ.

979
00:33:51,099 --> 00:33:52,700
And then from there, we went with that's

980
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,700
that's kind of the direction we wanna go.

981
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,059
And then we look at, okay, then how

982
00:33:56,059 --> 00:33:57,980
do we do that within the work of

983
00:33:57,980 --> 00:34:00,855
salvation and exaltation work? Are we focusing on

984
00:34:00,855 --> 00:34:01,515
our youth,

985
00:34:01,974 --> 00:34:02,955
the rising generation,

986
00:34:03,414 --> 00:34:06,775
missionary work, temple work, you know, inspiring and

987
00:34:06,775 --> 00:34:08,855
bringing joy to the saints and then helping

988
00:34:08,855 --> 00:34:10,934
those who have needs? We focus on those

989
00:34:10,934 --> 00:34:12,235
five areas. And then

990
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,200
from there, it's like, what are we what

991
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,559
are then the things we're doing? How are

992
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,480
we implementing that? Well, we have the gathering

993
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,039
place. We have, you know, YSA programs. Well,

994
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:21,660
you know, make sure we have youth camps.

995
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:23,340
All the different programmatic

996
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:24,940
aspects to support

997
00:34:25,545 --> 00:34:27,464
back to that vision of of people on

998
00:34:27,464 --> 00:34:29,704
the covenant path. And if if you keep

999
00:34:29,704 --> 00:34:31,644
that organized in your mind,

1000
00:34:32,744 --> 00:34:35,065
then that will help help you okay. Am

1001
00:34:35,065 --> 00:34:37,304
I doing something that fits in that framework?

1002
00:34:37,304 --> 00:34:39,300
If not, then we're not gonna do that.

1003
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:40,980
We're gonna strip that away with the time.

1004
00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:42,099
And so I think if you keep that

1005
00:34:42,099 --> 00:34:43,460
framework in your mind as a are we

1006
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:46,099
moving forward? Is the covenant path is such

1007
00:34:46,099 --> 00:34:46,760
a great

1008
00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:49,400
metaphor. It's such a great image,

1009
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,260
because it's you feel like, okay. Are we

1010
00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:52,760
moving

1011
00:34:53,385 --> 00:34:55,385
forward? As an elders quorum president, I I

1012
00:34:55,385 --> 00:34:58,025
teach branch presidents and elders quorum presidents is

1013
00:34:58,025 --> 00:34:59,644
we're always asking what's next,

1014
00:35:00,664 --> 00:35:02,284
in the lives of the member. It could

1015
00:35:02,824 --> 00:35:04,505
be enhancement. It could be going to the

1016
00:35:04,505 --> 00:35:06,585
temple, do renewing temple recommends or maybe they

1017
00:35:06,585 --> 00:35:08,340
haven't had a temple recommend in a while.

1018
00:35:08,579 --> 00:35:10,660
It could be a call in. It could

1019
00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:12,180
be just maybe they need to speak in

1020
00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:13,800
church or teach a lesson.

1021
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:15,780
What is next in the life of that

1022
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:17,160
individual, that one?

1023
00:35:17,539 --> 00:35:18,900
And so that's, I think, the high how

1024
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:21,619
you build momentum. It's just that slow incremental

1025
00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:23,000
steps in the lives of individuals.

1026
00:35:23,835 --> 00:35:25,775
Yeah. No. I love that. Really helpful.

1027
00:35:26,234 --> 00:35:27,755
Speak to me about the principles as far

1028
00:35:27,755 --> 00:35:29,755
as how you go about following the profit

1029
00:35:29,755 --> 00:35:30,815
and kind of aligning

1030
00:35:31,275 --> 00:35:33,934
your your mission statement or your efforts with

1031
00:35:33,994 --> 00:35:34,815
with the profit.

1032
00:35:35,275 --> 00:35:37,034
Yeah. I I think it's and, again, I've

1033
00:35:37,034 --> 00:35:38,699
learned this over time. I I I don't

1034
00:35:38,699 --> 00:35:40,960
have any magic to do this, but but,

1035
00:35:41,579 --> 00:35:43,820
really, in the last couple of months, it's

1036
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:46,059
really come clear to me that that we

1037
00:35:46,059 --> 00:35:47,980
need to have all of our planning and

1038
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:49,599
discussions focused on

1039
00:35:50,139 --> 00:35:52,079
these priorities. So so, for example,

1040
00:35:52,905 --> 00:35:54,425
when we do our district presence meeting, we

1041
00:35:54,425 --> 00:35:56,265
have a slide chart that kinda guide us

1042
00:35:56,265 --> 00:35:58,425
through our agenda. And I'm changing all that

1043
00:35:58,425 --> 00:36:00,664
up so that every so we're gonna have

1044
00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:02,744
we call it the military court, and we'll

1045
00:36:02,744 --> 00:36:04,925
have, like, four different boxes on the slide.

1046
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:06,829
Well, we're gonna have five boxes on the

1047
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:08,930
slide, and those five boxes are gonna be

1048
00:36:09,789 --> 00:36:10,849
the rising generation,

1049
00:36:11,469 --> 00:36:13,329
missionary work, temple work,

1050
00:36:13,710 --> 00:36:14,210
welfare,

1051
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:16,910
and and increasing joy in the in our

1052
00:36:16,989 --> 00:36:19,034
in the saints. And and everything we do,

1053
00:36:19,034 --> 00:36:19,994
we talk about it. It's gonna have to

1054
00:36:19,994 --> 00:36:21,914
fit in one of those things because it's

1055
00:36:21,914 --> 00:36:23,214
all about those priorities.

1056
00:36:24,074 --> 00:36:26,394
It's all about teaching how to make covenants.

1057
00:36:26,394 --> 00:36:27,214
It's all about,

1058
00:36:28,234 --> 00:36:29,295
focusing on

1059
00:36:29,594 --> 00:36:32,639
helping members down that path individually. So that

1060
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,880
that path is a long spread out thing.

1061
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,019
So you have to focus

1062
00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:37,779
on the the those priorities

1063
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,859
so that we're all moving together,

1064
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,839
at at the same pace. We're moving at

1065
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:43,199
the pace that the Lord will have us

1066
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,119
go. I think as long as we focus

1067
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,359
on those, that work of salvation exaltation, the

1068
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:49,014
the the brethren have. You go to if

1069
00:36:49,014 --> 00:36:50,454
you go to the leadership training from the

1070
00:36:50,454 --> 00:36:51,914
last couple of general conferences,

1071
00:36:52,215 --> 00:36:55,255
it's all focused on on those core principles,

1072
00:36:55,255 --> 00:36:57,195
on focusing on those simple basics

1073
00:36:57,655 --> 00:36:59,994
of where are we, where we headed to,

1074
00:37:00,375 --> 00:37:01,914
in those different five areas

1075
00:37:02,215 --> 00:37:03,034
of the church.

1076
00:37:03,769 --> 00:37:06,109
Yeah. And I imagine you really can customize

1077
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:08,730
the needs of your area within those Yeah.

1078
00:37:08,889 --> 00:37:11,170
Those five areas. Right? Yeah. And every branch

1079
00:37:11,289 --> 00:37:12,570
I'll tell you, every one of our branches

1080
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:14,570
has a different is a different culture. They

1081
00:37:14,570 --> 00:37:15,769
all have you think, well, we're all too

1082
00:37:15,769 --> 00:37:17,844
much of military people, but I've got one

1083
00:37:17,844 --> 00:37:20,585
branch. It's all mostly air force people, and

1084
00:37:20,724 --> 00:37:22,565
and they've got challenges and things that are

1085
00:37:22,565 --> 00:37:24,485
going on and they're kind of isolated and

1086
00:37:24,485 --> 00:37:25,844
they do their thing. I've got sole English

1087
00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:27,785
branch where I have very few military people,

1088
00:37:27,844 --> 00:37:29,925
and it's English teachers and and and foreign

1089
00:37:29,925 --> 00:37:31,690
workers and and they have a challenge. And

1090
00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:33,769
so as as we each branch, as we

1091
00:37:33,769 --> 00:37:36,090
focus on the one and the uniqueness of

1092
00:37:36,090 --> 00:37:37,550
the one within those branch,

1093
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:40,489
these these different cultures arise and every branch

1094
00:37:40,489 --> 00:37:42,910
president, every elders horn president, leaf side president

1095
00:37:43,315 --> 00:37:46,054
has these wonderful challenges to figure out how

1096
00:37:46,434 --> 00:37:47,175
to implement

1097
00:37:47,715 --> 00:37:50,114
these principles in their branches. And the idea

1098
00:37:50,114 --> 00:37:51,335
of keeping it very,

1099
00:37:52,195 --> 00:37:54,355
very focused at a very high level allows

1100
00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:56,355
then you to to then delve into the

1101
00:37:56,355 --> 00:37:56,855
one

1102
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:59,630
deeply with that one because how how the

1103
00:37:59,630 --> 00:38:01,069
gospel applies to the one might be a

1104
00:38:01,069 --> 00:38:03,069
little different how the gospel needs of of

1105
00:38:03,069 --> 00:38:03,969
the one Mexican.

1106
00:38:04,269 --> 00:38:05,969
And so you you give them that flexibility

1107
00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:07,949
to to do the one. I've been impressed

1108
00:38:07,949 --> 00:38:09,630
as I've gone to branch conferences. We do

1109
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:10,929
branch conferences. I

1110
00:38:11,315 --> 00:38:13,075
we we have an hour long branch council,

1111
00:38:13,075 --> 00:38:14,515
and I'll take half an hour. If they

1112
00:38:14,515 --> 00:38:16,595
run me a half an hour, branch council,

1113
00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:18,135
I wanna see how you guys function.

1114
00:38:18,675 --> 00:38:20,355
Uh-huh. And I tell you that water is

1115
00:38:20,355 --> 00:38:21,954
getting the end of the row. I'm impressed

1116
00:38:21,954 --> 00:38:23,175
by these these leaders

1117
00:38:23,474 --> 00:38:23,974
because

1118
00:38:24,289 --> 00:38:25,809
it's about the one. It's like, okay. We'll

1119
00:38:25,809 --> 00:38:27,250
talk about calendar, blah blah blah blah blah,

1120
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:29,010
and that's all done. And it's like, okay.

1121
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:31,030
Sister so and so, she has this challenge.

1122
00:38:31,089 --> 00:38:33,010
What do we have to do? How can

1123
00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:34,929
we help them out? And it's like, well,

1124
00:38:34,929 --> 00:38:36,449
the primary can help out here. And we

1125
00:38:36,449 --> 00:38:38,289
decided, of course, is helping out over here.

1126
00:38:38,289 --> 00:38:40,505
Maybe the the elders form. And you see

1127
00:38:40,664 --> 00:38:42,105
and, of course, they ask the question, what's

1128
00:38:42,105 --> 00:38:43,244
next for this individual?

1129
00:38:43,785 --> 00:38:45,144
What do we need to do to help

1130
00:38:45,144 --> 00:38:47,325
them along the path? And and it's it's

1131
00:38:47,545 --> 00:38:50,204
it's a miracle to watch a branch council

1132
00:38:50,425 --> 00:38:50,925
just

1133
00:38:51,945 --> 00:38:54,744
move and and and and and and counsel

1134
00:38:54,744 --> 00:38:55,244
together

1135
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,019
and and just to watch that magic of

1136
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,559
of seeing lives change because of the efforts

1137
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:01,839
of of a of a functioning

1138
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:03,460
absolutely. Yeah. You can't

1139
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,760
you you just can't you can't do that

1140
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,519
anywhere else in the world except for these

1141
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:08,579
very sacred spaces.

1142
00:39:09,065 --> 00:39:10,505
Yeah. For sure. So and do you find

1143
00:39:10,505 --> 00:39:12,525
yourself that you're kind of after that

1144
00:39:12,825 --> 00:39:14,285
that thirty minutes, you're

1145
00:39:14,585 --> 00:39:17,065
maybe giving feedback, coaching on how this was

1146
00:39:17,065 --> 00:39:19,065
done or that was done? Or Sometimes. I

1147
00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:21,385
I, earlier on, we had a branch that

1148
00:39:21,385 --> 00:39:23,659
was the branch council was struggling,

1149
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,880
and there was some dysfunction on the branch

1150
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,380
council.

1151
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:28,599
And so we would we would take time

1152
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,079
to address that. I think we've gotten through

1153
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,000
that, and we and and we've improved our

1154
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,039
training and our ability to minister to key

1155
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:37,179
leaders in the branches.

1156
00:39:37,954 --> 00:39:39,554
And that helps out. So now when I

1157
00:39:39,554 --> 00:39:41,715
do my thirty minutes, we're talking about these

1158
00:39:41,715 --> 00:39:43,554
principles. I have I take we talk about

1159
00:39:43,554 --> 00:39:45,795
the the district mission. We talk about the

1160
00:39:45,795 --> 00:39:48,275
priorities, the prophetic priorities, and we talk about

1161
00:39:48,275 --> 00:39:50,159
the things we're gonna do to implement them.

1162
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:51,760
The final piece, so I I want that

1163
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,359
we we talk about and I I got

1164
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:53,679
this,

1165
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,639
so my my mother's a Swiss immigrant. Her

1166
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,960
family immigrated from Switzerland in the fifties. Her

1167
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,039
uncle was elder Hansby Ringer of the '70.

1168
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:01,699
He stayed

1169
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,000
and served the church there for many, many

1170
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,085
years. And so she was saying, hey. Go

1171
00:40:06,085 --> 00:40:08,105
into the gospel library, into the

1172
00:40:08,565 --> 00:40:11,285
church history section, and there's this great area

1173
00:40:11,285 --> 00:40:13,364
called gospel story that they get where they

1174
00:40:13,364 --> 00:40:15,525
break down every country, and you can see

1175
00:40:15,525 --> 00:40:17,045
the lives of the saints in each country.

1176
00:40:17,045 --> 00:40:18,724
It's amazing. Every member should go there and

1177
00:40:18,724 --> 00:40:20,829
see where were their families from to to

1178
00:40:20,829 --> 00:40:22,030
go see that. She says, you gotta go

1179
00:40:22,030 --> 00:40:23,789
to the Switzerland section and see about your

1180
00:40:23,789 --> 00:40:25,949
families all sitting in there, about stories. And

1181
00:40:25,949 --> 00:40:27,710
so I'm reading this story, this this relief

1182
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:30,049
society president. She's a state police society president,

1183
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:33,150
and she's, doesn't know what to do with

1184
00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:35,114
her calling. She feels like, how do you

1185
00:40:35,114 --> 00:40:38,315
do this? And then state president Ringer taught

1186
00:40:38,315 --> 00:40:41,054
her this principle. He says, do something.

1187
00:40:42,554 --> 00:40:43,215
He says,

1188
00:40:43,914 --> 00:40:46,809
if it's wrong, you'll learn from that. If

1189
00:40:46,809 --> 00:40:49,210
it's right, you'll rejoice in it. He says,

1190
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:50,429
never do nothing.

1191
00:40:50,969 --> 00:40:51,710
Do something.

1192
00:40:52,089 --> 00:40:52,829
And so

1193
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:55,289
that statement has hit me like a ton

1194
00:40:55,289 --> 00:40:57,210
of bricks. That is now one of that

1195
00:40:57,210 --> 00:40:59,530
goes now into this overarching way we look

1196
00:40:59,530 --> 00:41:01,275
at the world. And the key for all

1197
00:41:01,275 --> 00:41:02,894
of you is is we don't have time.

1198
00:41:03,434 --> 00:41:03,934
Do

1199
00:41:04,394 --> 00:41:04,894
something.

1200
00:41:05,434 --> 00:41:07,994
And guess what? If you I've I've made

1201
00:41:07,994 --> 00:41:11,275
many at my leadership, various colleagues in the

1202
00:41:11,275 --> 00:41:13,170
church, I've done some dumb things. I says,

1203
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:14,849
but I've learned from that. You've learned from

1204
00:41:14,849 --> 00:41:16,650
that. The lord teaches you. You look at

1205
00:41:16,769 --> 00:41:18,530
we're gonna do this in doctor covenants this

1206
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:21,329
year where you see, you know, Joseph make

1207
00:41:21,329 --> 00:41:23,329
mistakes and you see Martin Harris, and we're

1208
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:25,269
just going this right now with section 19,

1209
00:41:26,234 --> 00:41:28,894
is that the Lord gives leaders space

1210
00:41:29,835 --> 00:41:31,674
to make mistakes and to learn from them.

1211
00:41:31,674 --> 00:41:33,054
But if you're doing nothing,

1212
00:41:33,755 --> 00:41:35,994
then nothing is gonna happen. You must do

1213
00:41:35,994 --> 00:41:38,315
something. And so I think that's that, you

1214
00:41:38,315 --> 00:41:40,199
just gotta be in there. Just do something.

1215
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:42,119
It's it might be five minutes a week

1216
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:42,780
or something.

1217
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,159
There might be something major where you're giving

1218
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,559
a lot of time. Just do something, and,

1219
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:49,800
you'll find that the Lord will walk you

1220
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,320
through it, and and you'll have a great

1221
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:51,820
experience.

1222
00:41:52,505 --> 00:41:54,025
Yeah. I love that, especially in a,

1223
00:41:54,905 --> 00:41:56,985
faith tradition with with a lot of meetings

1224
00:41:56,985 --> 00:41:58,925
at times. Right? Sometimes it feels like we're

1225
00:41:59,065 --> 00:42:00,985
doing something by counseling and talking. Of course,

1226
00:42:00,985 --> 00:42:03,305
that's all important, like, you've already articulated. But

1227
00:42:03,305 --> 00:42:05,559
sometimes it's like, alright. Well, we gotta come

1228
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,079
to a decision. We gotta what are we

1229
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:08,280
doing this week? You know, what how are

1230
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,693
we gonna what's the next step type of

1231
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Yeah. Approach. Right? Yeah. No. I'll I'll I

1232
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,880
will I will caveat my do something, like,

1233
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,039
do something doesn't mean more meetings. And so

1234
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,019
Right. Exactly.

1235
00:42:17,585 --> 00:42:19,585
I I, this is this is something that

1236
00:42:19,585 --> 00:42:19,984
I really

1237
00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:22,324
it it's just a me thing.

1238
00:42:23,505 --> 00:42:24,644
I I hate

1239
00:42:25,025 --> 00:42:27,264
presiding in a meeting where I feel like

1240
00:42:27,264 --> 00:42:29,105
we've just spun our wheels and I've not

1241
00:42:29,105 --> 00:42:31,380
given these leaders something. You know? Now now

1242
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:32,739
here's how we do it here. Right? You

1243
00:42:32,739 --> 00:42:34,359
you were probably in a state

1244
00:42:34,659 --> 00:42:36,260
where the state president has a high council

1245
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:37,699
meeting. Everybody shows up because they gotta get

1246
00:42:37,699 --> 00:42:38,980
their white shirt and tie, they got it

1247
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:40,500
dressed, and, like, at seven in the morning

1248
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:42,260
on a Sunday, they gotta go show up

1249
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:42,760
somewhere.

1250
00:42:43,125 --> 00:42:44,644
We don't do that. We we do everything

1251
00:42:44,644 --> 00:42:47,284
on Zoom. I think, it's rare that my

1252
00:42:47,284 --> 00:42:48,644
district presidency will be in the room at

1253
00:42:48,644 --> 00:42:50,005
the same time. I've never been in the

1254
00:42:50,005 --> 00:42:51,144
room with the high council.

1255
00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:54,405
But two, three times a year, we'll get

1256
00:42:54,405 --> 00:42:56,184
the whole district council together,

1257
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:58,900
because I just gotta have FaceTime with everybody.

1258
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,019
We just have to do that for that

1259
00:43:00,019 --> 00:43:02,340
muscle memory. But it's rare that we do

1260
00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:02,840
that.

1261
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:03,640
So,

1262
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:08,739
so but even then, if they're just walking

1263
00:43:08,739 --> 00:43:10,099
out of their bedroom throwing on a white

1264
00:43:10,099 --> 00:43:12,485
shirt and their pajama bottoms on, I still

1265
00:43:12,485 --> 00:43:14,505
owe people a quality meeting

1266
00:43:14,885 --> 00:43:16,565
where they have to walk away or we've

1267
00:43:16,565 --> 00:43:18,085
done something. And so to me, that is

1268
00:43:18,085 --> 00:43:20,485
just so critical as a leader is if

1269
00:43:20,485 --> 00:43:22,244
you if you if you don't give people

1270
00:43:22,244 --> 00:43:23,925
something to walk away from and and to

1271
00:43:23,925 --> 00:43:26,609
inspire them and teach them, they don't have

1272
00:43:26,609 --> 00:43:27,109
the

1273
00:43:27,569 --> 00:43:28,069
meeting.

1274
00:43:28,449 --> 00:43:30,369
Yeah. We we can make decisions. We have

1275
00:43:30,369 --> 00:43:32,929
a chat room where if there's a decision

1276
00:43:32,929 --> 00:43:34,529
we need to make, we'll just talk about

1277
00:43:34,529 --> 00:43:36,210
it in the chat room, and we'll receive

1278
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:37,809
inspiration in the chat room. I don't need

1279
00:43:37,809 --> 00:43:39,675
to have the meeting just to to figure

1280
00:43:39,675 --> 00:43:40,735
something out. So,

1281
00:43:41,114 --> 00:43:42,315
and I've got a great member of the

1282
00:43:42,315 --> 00:43:44,474
high council. He's a senior army leader, and

1283
00:43:44,474 --> 00:43:46,155
he's my he's my sounding board. He's my

1284
00:43:46,155 --> 00:43:48,954
feedback loop. And after every every district council

1285
00:43:48,954 --> 00:43:50,235
or high council, I look at him and

1286
00:43:50,235 --> 00:43:52,469
go, how do we do? And so Yeah.

1287
00:43:52,469 --> 00:43:54,469
Yeah. And, I you know, if he says,

1288
00:43:54,469 --> 00:43:55,750
hey. Look. You know? It kind of you

1289
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:57,269
know? I get the feedback that, hey. That

1290
00:43:57,269 --> 00:43:58,789
was kind of a waste of time, and

1291
00:43:58,789 --> 00:44:00,469
we shift and we adjust and we learn

1292
00:44:00,469 --> 00:44:02,469
from that because I don't wanna waste people's

1293
00:44:02,469 --> 00:44:04,070
time. We just don't have that time to

1294
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:04,650
do that.

1295
00:44:05,105 --> 00:44:06,625
Yeah. Yeah. And I I love that just

1296
00:44:06,625 --> 00:44:07,984
how you frame it in the context of

1297
00:44:07,984 --> 00:44:10,065
of presiding, which we use that word so

1298
00:44:10,065 --> 00:44:11,605
much in our in our faith,

1299
00:44:12,144 --> 00:44:13,585
you know, in meetings and things. And, you

1300
00:44:13,585 --> 00:44:15,344
know, I've been that stake presidency member where

1301
00:44:15,344 --> 00:44:16,545
it's like, I just showed up here. I

1302
00:44:16,545 --> 00:44:18,065
mean, I'm presiding, I guess, but I don't

1303
00:44:18,065 --> 00:44:20,324
feel like I'm doing anything. But to really

1304
00:44:20,619 --> 00:44:22,699
reframe that, like, no. You like, you you

1305
00:44:22,699 --> 00:44:24,699
own the meeting now. So this is up

1306
00:44:24,699 --> 00:44:26,940
to you to make sure quality is happening

1307
00:44:26,940 --> 00:44:29,119
here. And if there's a better way or,

1308
00:44:29,339 --> 00:44:31,179
you know, less of a burden for those

1309
00:44:31,179 --> 00:44:33,260
participating, well, then maybe you should consider that.

1310
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:34,559
Right? I mean, we could still

1311
00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:37,414
involve the spirit and have revelation and move

1312
00:44:37,414 --> 00:44:39,175
move the work forward. Now now let me

1313
00:44:39,175 --> 00:44:40,855
tell you a a a a thing that

1314
00:44:40,855 --> 00:44:42,454
we've implemented here. I learned this from a

1315
00:44:42,454 --> 00:44:44,215
great bishop back at Fort Meade, Maryland. He

1316
00:44:44,215 --> 00:44:46,055
was a he's a army officer, and he

1317
00:44:46,055 --> 00:44:48,519
ran his bishopric like an army unit. And

1318
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:49,119
in a

1319
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:51,240
and, oh, no. It was good. It was

1320
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:52,360
really good. And he taught me some In

1321
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,340
a good way. Yes.

1322
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,880
Yeah. So so in in a military unit,

1323
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,079
let's say it's a brigade, you got an

1324
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:59,180
army colonel, and he's got a staff meeting.

1325
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,824
He doesn't run the staff. He presides at

1326
00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:03,265
the staff meeting. He doesn't run the staff

1327
00:45:03,265 --> 00:45:04,805
meeting. He has an executive officer

1328
00:45:05,184 --> 00:45:07,105
who walks people through and he looks at

1329
00:45:07,105 --> 00:45:08,305
everything and says, hey. What are you doing?

1330
00:45:08,305 --> 00:45:09,265
What are you doing? You know, he walked

1331
00:45:09,265 --> 00:45:11,425
through all the reports. The executive, the number

1332
00:45:11,425 --> 00:45:11,925
two

1333
00:45:12,224 --> 00:45:14,224
of the deputy commander runs the meeting so

1334
00:45:14,224 --> 00:45:16,244
that then that colonel, the boss,

1335
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:17,420
can watch.

1336
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,639
He can see, he can watch the dynamics,

1337
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:20,699
and he can get

1338
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,559
as much as army colonels receive revelation, he

1339
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:25,639
can get that idea that he can let

1340
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:27,719
the let the ideas flow so he can

1341
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,559
lead. He's not spending his time on running

1342
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:30,139
the meeting.

1343
00:45:30,465 --> 00:45:32,065
So this bishop used to do that. His

1344
00:45:32,065 --> 00:45:33,905
first counselor would run all the meetings and

1345
00:45:33,905 --> 00:45:36,065
the bishop would just sit there and watch.

1346
00:45:36,065 --> 00:45:38,224
And then when he spoke, it was that

1347
00:45:38,224 --> 00:45:40,305
he what he brought to the table because

1348
00:45:40,305 --> 00:45:42,305
he had he'd sat there and had had

1349
00:45:42,305 --> 00:45:44,144
digested everything and he was happy with his

1350
00:45:44,144 --> 00:45:45,204
laboratory experiences.

1351
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:47,329
So when I became district president, I said,

1352
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:48,950
we're gonna implement we're gonna do that.

1353
00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:51,250
So every meeting we run, one of my

1354
00:45:51,250 --> 00:45:53,329
counselors runs the meeting. The agenda is set

1355
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:55,250
up by the executive secretary, and and that

1356
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:56,869
gives me space as a leader

1357
00:45:57,329 --> 00:45:59,010
just to kinda watch. So that when I

1358
00:45:59,010 --> 00:46:01,284
have to say something or weigh in, now

1359
00:46:01,284 --> 00:46:04,164
it is, you know, I I'm now using

1360
00:46:04,164 --> 00:46:06,264
my keys rather than just spinning my wheels.

1361
00:46:06,644 --> 00:46:08,164
Yeah. That's fantastic. Well, if we need to

1362
00:46:08,164 --> 00:46:09,144
track down that bishop,

1363
00:46:11,204 --> 00:46:12,644
but and I love that just that, you

1364
00:46:12,644 --> 00:46:14,405
know and and Liz Wiseman, who I've interviewed

1365
00:46:14,405 --> 00:46:15,684
a few times, she's done a lot of

1366
00:46:15,684 --> 00:46:16,164
research,

1367
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:18,750
just about, like, being an accidental diminisher and

1368
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:20,590
running meetings. And and she talks a lot

1369
00:46:20,590 --> 00:46:21,489
about this where

1370
00:46:21,869 --> 00:46:22,849
a a leader can

1371
00:46:23,309 --> 00:46:24,829
lead out, you know, in a meeting, and

1372
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:26,750
suddenly, it's sort of a vacuum in the

1373
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:28,269
Yeah. You know, why don't you just make

1374
00:46:28,269 --> 00:46:30,105
the decision, and we'll just, you know, nod

1375
00:46:30,105 --> 00:46:31,985
our head and agree, and we'll move on.

1376
00:46:31,985 --> 00:46:33,985
But to really have that spirit of counsel

1377
00:46:34,224 --> 00:46:35,525
Yeah. To somehow,

1378
00:46:35,905 --> 00:46:38,164
you know, remove yourself from the meeting

1379
00:46:38,945 --> 00:46:41,765
while it unfolds and then reinsert yourself. Yeah.

1380
00:46:42,065 --> 00:46:43,045
That is critical.

1381
00:46:43,345 --> 00:46:45,970
Absolutely critical. I I I've told any any

1382
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:47,650
presidency I've been in where I've been the

1383
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:49,490
the the, you know, state young men's president

1384
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:51,410
or a bishop or or now in this

1385
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:53,030
calling, I've always told my counselors,

1386
00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:55,829
your job is to game up against me.

1387
00:46:56,050 --> 00:46:57,269
I want you two

1388
00:46:57,844 --> 00:47:00,424
to to work together, be a team

1389
00:47:00,724 --> 00:47:01,464
that counterbalances

1390
00:47:01,924 --> 00:47:03,844
me in any and and and and helps

1391
00:47:03,844 --> 00:47:05,464
me be a better president.

1392
00:47:06,005 --> 00:47:07,525
And I think and then I do the

1393
00:47:07,525 --> 00:47:09,125
same thing with the high council and and

1394
00:47:09,125 --> 00:47:10,105
the district council.

1395
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:12,599
Your job is to help me,

1396
00:47:13,219 --> 00:47:13,960
you know,

1397
00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:16,739
help move me and and guide me. And,

1398
00:47:16,739 --> 00:47:18,019
of course, I'm just you know, I've got

1399
00:47:18,019 --> 00:47:20,340
the keys and and I'm presiding, but, you

1400
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:22,340
know, you take whatever I'm supposed to do

1401
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:23,400
and then it exponentially

1402
00:47:23,699 --> 00:47:26,074
grows by all these people that are kinda

1403
00:47:26,074 --> 00:47:27,614
helping this thing move along.

1404
00:47:28,074 --> 00:47:29,994
We had a wonderful district council just this

1405
00:47:29,994 --> 00:47:32,154
last Sunday, and we had a topic on

1406
00:47:32,154 --> 00:47:33,434
the table. I I I have to go

1407
00:47:33,434 --> 00:47:34,474
back in my notes and see what it

1408
00:47:34,474 --> 00:47:35,994
is, but but but it was just a

1409
00:47:35,994 --> 00:47:37,755
little issue we wanted to talk about. I

1410
00:47:37,755 --> 00:47:39,674
think it involved probably something with the youth

1411
00:47:39,674 --> 00:47:40,829
and and,

1412
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:42,909
boy, people had opinions.

1413
00:47:43,369 --> 00:47:45,210
And it was great. And it was great

1414
00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:46,650
because then I just step back. I just

1415
00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:48,909
kept my mouth shut and watch people

1416
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:51,369
kind of debate each other and have you

1417
00:47:51,369 --> 00:47:52,440
know, it was

1418
00:47:52,744 --> 00:47:54,344
it was wonderful. And I oh, I was

1419
00:47:54,344 --> 00:47:56,744
I was talking about an issue that involves

1420
00:47:56,744 --> 00:47:58,505
some people, and everybody had a a way

1421
00:47:58,505 --> 00:48:00,025
of, well, I can do this. I can

1422
00:48:00,025 --> 00:48:00,985
do this and this. I look at it

1423
00:48:00,985 --> 00:48:02,105
this way. I look at it this way.

1424
00:48:02,105 --> 00:48:03,625
And then I just stopped everybody. I said

1425
00:48:03,625 --> 00:48:04,125
stop.

1426
00:48:04,425 --> 00:48:05,039
I said,

1427
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,619
watch what you're doing. This is a council.

1428
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:09,760
Young women are giving input of what the

1429
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,039
young women are thinking, and the release of

1430
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:13,519
society is giving their input. And everybody's having

1431
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,460
a voice, and it's wonderful.

1432
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,840
This is how we should function as a

1433
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,079
branch council. You, I enable you. You have

1434
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,214
every authority to step in these meetings, and

1435
00:48:22,214 --> 00:48:24,054
you tell me what you think. If we're

1436
00:48:24,054 --> 00:48:25,514
just gonna sit around and,

1437
00:48:26,054 --> 00:48:28,614
you know, just listen to branch the district

1438
00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:29,994
president spout off, like,

1439
00:48:30,694 --> 00:48:32,054
I'll send you a video. I won't I

1440
00:48:32,054 --> 00:48:34,324
don't need it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Meeting.

1441
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:36,289
We have, we had a we we had

1442
00:48:36,289 --> 00:48:38,769
a challenge. We our leaders were starting we

1443
00:48:38,769 --> 00:48:40,130
have these slides and they put there what's

1444
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:41,489
going on in their in their in their

1445
00:48:41,489 --> 00:48:41,989
stewardships.

1446
00:48:42,449 --> 00:48:43,429
And there's a military,

1447
00:48:43,809 --> 00:48:45,030
acronym called NSTR.

1448
00:48:45,570 --> 00:48:47,269
Nothing significant to report.

1449
00:48:47,934 --> 00:48:50,655
And, no leader wants to see that reported

1450
00:48:50,655 --> 00:48:52,114
back. I have nothing to report.

1451
00:48:52,494 --> 00:48:54,494
And so we said so so so that,

1452
00:48:54,494 --> 00:48:56,494
like, my counselors put out the words into

1453
00:48:56,494 --> 00:48:59,155
the district council. Don't don't you're not authorized

1454
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,840
STR on there. In the spirit of do

1455
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,199
something, put something in your heart. Since I

1456
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,119
made a phone call or, you know, I

1457
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,519
did this or whatever. Just that's part of

1458
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:11,360
that spirit of do something. Like, there's you

1459
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,285
know, you I know that there's things that

1460
00:49:13,285 --> 00:49:14,965
are significant to report. You may not think

1461
00:49:14,965 --> 00:49:15,625
they're significant,

1462
00:49:16,164 --> 00:49:17,765
but for somebody else on the council, it

1463
00:49:17,765 --> 00:49:19,364
could be significant. For me as as a

1464
00:49:19,364 --> 00:49:21,765
presiding authority, that could be significant to me.

1465
00:49:21,765 --> 00:49:23,765
So Yeah. Yeah. Speak up. Let us know

1466
00:49:23,765 --> 00:49:25,445
what you're doing. It this is these are

1467
00:49:25,445 --> 00:49:27,869
feedback loops for us as leaders in these

1468
00:49:27,869 --> 00:49:29,469
councils to help us to know how we

1469
00:49:29,469 --> 00:49:31,469
can do better. And and and great things

1470
00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:33,469
happen as we speak up in meetings. And

1471
00:49:33,469 --> 00:49:34,369
we as leaders

1472
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:36,589
create the space, get get ourselves out of

1473
00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:38,349
the meeting, and create space for for those

1474
00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:39,405
people to speak up.

1475
00:49:40,045 --> 00:49:42,144
Yeah. That's great. That's great. And I think

1476
00:49:42,204 --> 00:49:44,204
a lot of us, you know, I it's

1477
00:49:44,204 --> 00:49:45,324
nice to be able to say to meetings

1478
00:49:45,324 --> 00:49:46,765
sometimes, like, oh, I have nothing to report

1479
00:49:46,765 --> 00:49:48,605
because you don't wanna, like, be a problem

1480
00:49:48,605 --> 00:49:50,605
or inter do some more problems. Right? Like

1481
00:49:50,684 --> 00:49:53,244
Yeah. Even I think of, like, the the

1482
00:49:53,244 --> 00:49:55,489
church and the tools app or something or

1483
00:49:55,489 --> 00:49:57,250
the you know, if there if you see

1484
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:59,409
something broken in a building, you can you

1485
00:49:59,409 --> 00:50:01,250
can report it. And the way they frame

1486
00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:03,570
the button, it says create an issue. And

1487
00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:05,730
I, like, almost hesitate pushing that button. Like,

1488
00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:07,125
I don't wanna create an issue.

1489
00:50:07,525 --> 00:50:09,284
Like, I don't I I'll report a problem

1490
00:50:09,284 --> 00:50:10,885
or report something broke, but I don't wanna

1491
00:50:10,885 --> 00:50:13,605
create an issue. Right? So that's but to

1492
00:50:13,605 --> 00:50:15,125
to really push people past that, they're like,

1493
00:50:15,125 --> 00:50:17,284
no. Like, not not we don't need all

1494
00:50:17,284 --> 00:50:18,724
your problems, but, like, what do you have

1495
00:50:18,724 --> 00:50:20,339
to report? Good, bad, the ugly? Let's hear

1496
00:50:20,339 --> 00:50:22,420
it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's let's move the

1497
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:24,179
work along forward. We we gotta do that.

1498
00:50:24,179 --> 00:50:25,619
We gotta do that council together and do

1499
00:50:25,619 --> 00:50:27,779
it together. So Yeah. Tell me about just

1500
00:50:27,779 --> 00:50:28,839
ministering to,

1501
00:50:29,299 --> 00:50:32,260
branch presidents, elders, quorum, relief study presidents. What

1502
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:34,724
does that look like? Yeah. So it is,

1503
00:50:35,844 --> 00:50:37,764
I I think that that's really critical. We

1504
00:50:37,764 --> 00:50:39,525
had elder Cook out here last year. He

1505
00:50:39,525 --> 00:50:41,924
really he's just honed in for all of

1506
00:50:41,924 --> 00:50:44,565
the state presidents. Like, you've got to take

1507
00:50:44,565 --> 00:50:46,644
care of your bishops and branch presidents. It's

1508
00:50:46,644 --> 00:50:48,039
it's that is so when I look at,

1509
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:49,819
you know, my ministering families,

1510
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,440
I've got six branch presidents and their wives,

1511
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,839
six elders, quorum presidents, their wives. I've got

1512
00:50:54,839 --> 00:50:57,159
a wonderful stake relief society, district police society

1513
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,819
president. She's ministering to all the leading presidents.

1514
00:51:00,275 --> 00:51:02,114
And so, you know, I look at it

1515
00:51:02,114 --> 00:51:03,635
as as my job is to administer to

1516
00:51:03,635 --> 00:51:04,114
them.

1517
00:51:05,075 --> 00:51:07,235
When you're conducting any sort of a priesthood

1518
00:51:07,235 --> 00:51:09,715
interview with somebody, the most important question the

1519
00:51:09,715 --> 00:51:11,795
the first question out of your mouth is

1520
00:51:11,795 --> 00:51:14,079
not about your stewardship and not about people

1521
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,400
in your in your you preside over. The

1522
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,280
first question that in ministry interviews or or

1523
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,039
priesthood interviews, the first question that should come

1524
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:22,800
out of any leader's mouth is, how are

1525
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,539
you doing?

1526
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:25,679
And what can I do for you? And

1527
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:27,699
what's going on? And it's amazing where

1528
00:51:28,005 --> 00:51:30,005
as I've done that, you know, branch presidents

1529
00:51:30,005 --> 00:51:31,444
have come into meetings thinking, well, I wanna

1530
00:51:31,444 --> 00:51:32,424
talk about x.

1531
00:51:33,525 --> 00:51:35,045
And I felt inspired, like, we're not gonna

1532
00:51:35,045 --> 00:51:36,744
talk about x. We're gonna talk about you.

1533
00:51:37,364 --> 00:51:37,864
And,

1534
00:51:38,404 --> 00:51:40,984
and, because really the purpose of these engagements

1535
00:51:41,125 --> 00:51:42,324
is I know what's going on with the

1536
00:51:42,324 --> 00:51:43,809
branch. I know the challenges they're having for

1537
00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:44,549
the most part.

1538
00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:46,130
And I have the things I need to

1539
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:47,650
tell them that they need to know. But,

1540
00:51:47,650 --> 00:51:49,190
really, get the chance

1541
00:51:49,809 --> 00:51:52,769
to to one on one make sure they're

1542
00:51:52,769 --> 00:51:54,309
okay. And and and

1543
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:54,769
the

1544
00:51:55,594 --> 00:51:56,414
you know, they're

1545
00:51:56,875 --> 00:51:59,375
struggling. It's they're busy. They've got their Yeah.

1546
00:51:59,514 --> 00:52:01,775
Everybody in Korea is here for a purpose.

1547
00:52:02,315 --> 00:52:04,074
The army brought them here. The air force

1548
00:52:04,074 --> 00:52:06,654
brought them here. Their corporation brought them here.

1549
00:52:06,954 --> 00:52:09,034
They're here to do one thing, and that's

1550
00:52:09,034 --> 00:52:10,654
the thing that they're paid to do.

1551
00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:12,989
And so, you know, it's a stress on

1552
00:52:12,989 --> 00:52:14,510
them for them. Okay. I've got this other

1553
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:16,750
full time job as a branch president or

1554
00:52:16,750 --> 00:52:18,369
elder corps president. And so

1555
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:20,670
we really have to make sure we're nurturing

1556
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:22,190
them. And a lot of times it's, well,

1557
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:24,195
are you using your counselor? How what can

1558
00:52:24,195 --> 00:52:25,474
you do? What can I do to help

1559
00:52:25,474 --> 00:52:26,855
you? What can we do to train

1560
00:52:27,235 --> 00:52:28,755
your counselors? What can I do to train?

1561
00:52:28,755 --> 00:52:31,155
I'm I'm really enabling a high council representative.

1562
00:52:31,155 --> 00:52:32,835
Like, you have to go in there and

1563
00:52:32,835 --> 00:52:34,835
make sure that that that those those those

1564
00:52:34,835 --> 00:52:38,059
challenges are dispersed. As you disperse the challenges,

1565
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,700
it lowers the burdens on all the leaders.

1566
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:41,960
And so,

1567
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:44,119
so I think you just you have to

1568
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:45,900
constantly be in keep in mind,

1569
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,360
what are the needs of those leaders. I've

1570
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,280
got a young branch president who's in a

1571
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,900
very, very difficult job professionally.

1572
00:52:52,894 --> 00:52:54,335
He's under the gun, and this is like

1573
00:52:54,335 --> 00:52:55,695
a make or break time for him. And

1574
00:52:55,695 --> 00:52:57,135
here I am calling him as a branch

1575
00:52:57,135 --> 00:52:57,635
president.

1576
00:52:58,175 --> 00:52:58,574
So,

1577
00:53:00,175 --> 00:53:02,734
every time I'm with him, I put my

1578
00:53:02,734 --> 00:53:04,335
arms around him, I hug him, I'd be

1579
00:53:04,414 --> 00:53:05,695
you know, I've given him a piece of

1580
00:53:05,695 --> 00:53:06,195
blessings.

1581
00:53:06,815 --> 00:53:07,954
I wanna make sure

1582
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,820
he is taken care of,

1583
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,280
so he then can take care of the

1584
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,880
branch and take care of his career, which

1585
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,880
is a higher priority than his church call.

1586
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,599
Yeah. Interesting. And this leads another question that

1587
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,440
somewhat related I wanna ask. You know, when

1588
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,179
I think of

1589
00:53:21,875 --> 00:53:24,534
military, I think of my my

1590
00:53:24,835 --> 00:53:27,714
naturally goes to deployments and deployments to, you

1591
00:53:27,714 --> 00:53:31,155
know, tough you know, experiencing tough situations that

1592
00:53:31,155 --> 00:53:32,214
maybe lead to PTSD,

1593
00:53:33,155 --> 00:53:35,074
to mental health concerns, and, you know, you

1594
00:53:35,074 --> 00:53:37,440
talk about the suicide rate of veterans. It's

1595
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,039
just heartbreaking. And so do you do you

1596
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:40,559
find, like and I know that's not, like,

1597
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,440
every last person in military that's they're not

1598
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,239
constantly experiencing trauma and those things. But do

1599
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,079
you feel like there is an extra sense

1600
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,125
of something you have to be aware of,

1601
00:53:50,125 --> 00:53:52,364
you know, serving in military units? Or

1602
00:53:53,244 --> 00:53:55,404
not necessary. I mean, you're always because we've

1603
00:53:55,404 --> 00:53:56,284
all been there.

1604
00:53:56,764 --> 00:53:58,605
So we're all we're all we all know

1605
00:53:58,605 --> 00:54:00,125
who each other. We all we all know

1606
00:54:00,125 --> 00:54:01,964
the triggers, and we all know the you

1607
00:54:01,964 --> 00:54:03,565
know, we we can see that. I'll I'll

1608
00:54:03,565 --> 00:54:04,679
be, you know,

1609
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,000
not that in a % of cases it's

1610
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:07,900
this way, but

1611
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,960
to have the gospel of Jesus Christ in

1612
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,280
your life, already that healing power of the

1613
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,780
atonement

1614
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:15,960
already is is is a balm to many

1615
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,819
people who've gone through traumatic experiences.

1616
00:54:18,565 --> 00:54:19,525
And so I think,

1617
00:54:20,324 --> 00:54:23,125
the those who who I've worked with, that

1618
00:54:23,125 --> 00:54:25,704
they already have that foundation in their lives

1619
00:54:25,765 --> 00:54:28,664
that kinda helps ameliorate some of those problems.

1620
00:54:29,765 --> 00:54:30,265
But,

1621
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:31,960
but

1622
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:33,859
it's just the the just the whole just

1623
00:54:33,859 --> 00:54:36,019
the idea of stress in their lives is

1624
00:54:36,019 --> 00:54:37,780
you have to just be be cognizant of

1625
00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:39,219
the stress. You have to make sure you're

1626
00:54:39,219 --> 00:54:41,460
working through and and not just overloading and

1627
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:42,819
be sent to, like, this this this brother

1628
00:54:42,819 --> 00:54:44,420
we released. Now he's not military. He's a

1629
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:46,925
civilian employee here. But you just have as

1630
00:54:46,925 --> 00:54:48,925
as ministering to them, you have to be

1631
00:54:48,925 --> 00:54:50,144
cognizant of

1632
00:54:50,525 --> 00:54:51,965
what's going on in their lives. And you

1633
00:54:51,965 --> 00:54:53,804
can't just take this approach of God will

1634
00:54:53,804 --> 00:54:56,045
provide. It's okay. You've been called and set

1635
00:54:56,045 --> 00:54:59,030
apart and it'll gap. It's like, you you

1636
00:54:59,030 --> 00:55:01,190
can't do that. You have to be willing

1637
00:55:01,190 --> 00:55:03,590
to go say say assess and say, yeah.

1638
00:55:03,590 --> 00:55:04,969
I need to give you space

1639
00:55:05,269 --> 00:55:07,429
to work out some things. The other nice

1640
00:55:07,429 --> 00:55:09,750
thing is is that on the military side,

1641
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:12,170
the military is so focused on these issues

1642
00:55:12,635 --> 00:55:14,474
is that they're taking care of that for

1643
00:55:14,474 --> 00:55:16,635
us. That we you know, if if one

1644
00:55:16,635 --> 00:55:18,234
of my members has a a mental health

1645
00:55:18,234 --> 00:55:21,214
or emotional health challenge, there's a whole network

1646
00:55:21,594 --> 00:55:23,994
that's there to support and sustain them. And

1647
00:55:23,994 --> 00:55:25,994
and I have great relationships with the chaplains

1648
00:55:25,994 --> 00:55:27,514
here. I've got one of one of our

1649
00:55:27,514 --> 00:55:28,739
brother here is a is a is a

1650
00:55:28,739 --> 00:55:31,300
is a fairly mid he's a mid career

1651
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:33,139
chaplain, so he's got a great experience. And

1652
00:55:33,139 --> 00:55:35,059
he knows when to come in and have

1653
00:55:35,059 --> 00:55:37,139
out, whether it's a a marital issue or

1654
00:55:37,139 --> 00:55:39,380
or just an individual having a problem. He

1655
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:40,360
speaks LDS.

1656
00:55:41,114 --> 00:55:42,795
So as a chaplain and a mental health

1657
00:55:42,795 --> 00:55:45,614
counselor, he's a great resource to say, okay.

1658
00:55:45,835 --> 00:55:47,835
Yes. You know, brother, I need you to

1659
00:55:47,835 --> 00:55:50,155
kinda help out here. And and and he's

1660
00:55:50,155 --> 00:55:51,934
got a, you know, whole wealth of resources

1661
00:55:51,994 --> 00:55:53,900
behind him in the army to help him

1662
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:55,380
do that. Same with the air force and

1663
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:57,059
and all of our other places. It it's,

1664
00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:58,739
I mean, we have an we have a

1665
00:55:58,739 --> 00:56:00,260
we have a a safety net for us

1666
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:02,579
that that's built in. Now where we where

1667
00:56:02,579 --> 00:56:05,460
I don't have where nonmilitary members, it it's

1668
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:06,039
a challenge.

1669
00:56:06,425 --> 00:56:08,824
It's a challenge. And and and and and

1670
00:56:08,824 --> 00:56:10,425
and this is where the Korean side of

1671
00:56:10,425 --> 00:56:12,425
the church and the non Korean side of

1672
00:56:12,425 --> 00:56:14,505
the church where we kinda have have have

1673
00:56:14,505 --> 00:56:16,184
difficulty working it up because how do you

1674
00:56:16,184 --> 00:56:16,684
provide

1675
00:56:17,304 --> 00:56:19,400
for example, you know, when you have somebody

1676
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,000
that comes to you with a pornography problem

1677
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,460
and you wanna get them into,

1678
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,300
an LDS focused pornography addiction

1679
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,119
process overcoming that. Well, I don't have anybody

1680
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:31,340
here that speaks English.

1681
00:56:31,805 --> 00:56:33,905
And so they they have a great pornography

1682
00:56:33,965 --> 00:56:36,445
addiction program here, but this is all done

1683
00:56:36,445 --> 00:56:37,825
in Korean. And so,

1684
00:56:39,005 --> 00:56:40,525
that that's a challenge and how do we

1685
00:56:40,525 --> 00:56:41,885
how do we resolve it. If and I

1686
00:56:41,885 --> 00:56:43,244
don't have an easy answer for that. It's

1687
00:56:43,244 --> 00:56:45,309
just something we struggle with. Yeah. And I

1688
00:56:45,309 --> 00:56:46,670
guess now that I think about, like, all

1689
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:49,069
things considered, they're almost better off being in

1690
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:51,469
that military unit where there's so many around

1691
00:56:51,469 --> 00:56:53,230
them that have experienced similar things or they're

1692
00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:54,750
like, hey. Yeah. I know I know what

1693
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:56,750
it's like to be deployed. I experienced something

1694
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:58,434
similar. Or, yeah. I know what it's like

1695
00:56:58,434 --> 00:57:00,275
to, you know, live in a foreign country

1696
00:57:00,275 --> 00:57:02,275
with my family and just the natural struggles

1697
00:57:02,275 --> 00:57:04,194
that come with that rather than maybe just

1698
00:57:04,194 --> 00:57:06,514
returning to a typical, you know, ward in

1699
00:57:06,514 --> 00:57:08,914
The States where everybody seems like they're going

1700
00:57:08,914 --> 00:57:11,074
about their time, but you're struggling. Right? So

1701
00:57:11,155 --> 00:57:13,250
Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's interesting too. This

1702
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:15,010
is another this is another lesson I learned

1703
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:15,570
long ago.

1704
00:57:16,050 --> 00:57:17,329
Used to be a calling, if you remember,

1705
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:19,329
high priest group leader, and I think I

1706
00:57:19,329 --> 00:57:20,949
I I've had colleagues in the church

1707
00:57:21,409 --> 00:57:23,489
that don't no longer exist. I think it's

1708
00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:25,170
I was so poor at it that that

1709
00:57:25,170 --> 00:57:26,144
Salt Lake says,

1710
00:57:26,784 --> 00:57:28,485
put the hold away broke the calling

1711
00:57:29,025 --> 00:57:31,505
in front of it. Again, I I used

1712
00:57:31,505 --> 00:57:33,265
to be a state commission president. No no

1713
00:57:33,265 --> 00:57:34,385
longer exists. I used to be a high

1714
00:57:34,385 --> 00:57:36,085
priest group. It no longer exists.

1715
00:57:36,465 --> 00:57:38,385
So, but at the high priest group leader,

1716
00:57:38,385 --> 00:57:40,065
one day we walked into our class and

1717
00:57:40,065 --> 00:57:41,869
and the previous people who use the room,

1718
00:57:41,869 --> 00:57:43,469
we had our chairs were set up in

1719
00:57:43,469 --> 00:57:45,630
rows. So teacher at the front, everybody in

1720
00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:47,309
a row, looked just like a classroom. One

1721
00:57:47,309 --> 00:57:48,510
day we come in and the chairs were

1722
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:49,489
set up in a circle.

1723
00:57:50,590 --> 00:57:52,289
And, okay, we'll we'll do that.

1724
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:54,989
That class ended up being a therapy session

1725
00:57:54,989 --> 00:57:56,369
for a bunch of old men.

1726
00:57:56,804 --> 00:57:59,284
And it was amazing because they're looking at

1727
00:57:59,284 --> 00:58:01,605
each other and tears were shed in that

1728
00:58:01,605 --> 00:58:02,585
in that class

1729
00:58:02,964 --> 00:58:04,484
because now we're looking at each other and

1730
00:58:04,484 --> 00:58:06,244
what it cost. Lesson wasn't about the lesson.

1731
00:58:06,244 --> 00:58:08,565
The lesson was about the experiences these brother

1732
00:58:08,565 --> 00:58:10,005
were having and some of the challenges they

1733
00:58:10,005 --> 00:58:12,105
were having. It it was a catalyst for

1734
00:58:12,405 --> 00:58:12,539
having

1735
00:58:16,619 --> 00:58:17,280
Relief Society,

1736
00:58:17,579 --> 00:58:19,039
you need to be in a circle

1737
00:58:19,579 --> 00:58:21,340
looking at each other. And so elders quorum

1738
00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:22,480
and Relief Society

1739
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:24,239
become therapy sessions.

1740
00:58:24,795 --> 00:58:25,775
It's group therapy.

1741
00:58:26,474 --> 00:58:28,394
And and and and people can and and

1742
00:58:28,394 --> 00:58:30,974
I've encouraged elders quorum presence. Let people share

1743
00:58:31,755 --> 00:58:33,355
their feelings. That's what you need to be

1744
00:58:33,355 --> 00:58:35,755
a facilitator for people to kinda work things

1745
00:58:35,755 --> 00:58:37,994
out. And and you'll see a young brother

1746
00:58:37,994 --> 00:58:40,014
with, you know, he's there. They're young married,

1747
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:42,469
first child, and he talks about the struggles

1748
00:58:42,469 --> 00:58:44,230
he's having. And you'll have in there somebody

1749
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:45,590
who had four or five kids that are

1750
00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:47,369
now adults and they've got great counsel

1751
00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:50,070
and loving his support for them and they

1752
00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:52,070
start ministering to each other. And so elders

1753
00:58:52,070 --> 00:58:54,090
quorum really decided to become these great opportunities

1754
00:58:54,525 --> 00:58:56,045
where when you have people and then, of

1755
00:58:56,045 --> 00:58:58,525
course, our elders quorums is all military people.

1756
00:58:58,525 --> 00:59:00,444
So they talk about, yeah, man. My my

1757
00:59:00,444 --> 00:59:02,204
first sergeant's been getting out of here. I've

1758
00:59:02,204 --> 00:59:04,525
got these problems at work and these challenges

1759
00:59:04,525 --> 00:59:06,364
and yeah. I know what you're talking about,

1760
00:59:06,364 --> 00:59:08,300
and they can kinda help more do that

1761
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:10,219
together. And I love it when when we

1762
00:59:10,219 --> 00:59:13,260
can be therapists to each other. Yeah. No.

1763
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:15,019
It's it's powerful, and it seems so silly,

1764
00:59:15,019 --> 00:59:17,179
you know, that you know, some people resist

1765
00:59:17,179 --> 00:59:19,179
it so much that it's circling up in

1766
00:59:19,179 --> 00:59:20,894
in the classroom. So much easier to kinda

1767
00:59:20,894 --> 00:59:23,054
hide and let's just sit theater style and

1768
00:59:23,054 --> 00:59:24,655
have the person talk at us, and that's

1769
00:59:24,655 --> 00:59:27,215
great. You know? But there's something that shifts

1770
00:59:27,215 --> 00:59:29,135
when you get in a in a circle,

1771
00:59:29,135 --> 00:59:30,355
even smaller circles,

1772
00:59:30,735 --> 00:59:32,414
and you naturally just open up. It really

1773
00:59:32,414 --> 00:59:34,335
breaks down some walls. So Yeah. I I

1774
00:59:34,335 --> 00:59:35,369
agree. I agree.

1775
00:59:36,250 --> 00:59:39,769
Anything you haven't mentioned more about, like, delegation

1776
00:59:39,769 --> 00:59:41,789
and teaching leaders how to delegate?

1777
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:43,690
Yeah. That's always a struggle. I mean, it's

1778
00:59:43,690 --> 00:59:45,130
a struggle from the, you know, from the

1779
00:59:45,130 --> 00:59:46,190
presiding authority

1780
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:48,490
because Yeah. You just you just wanna hold

1781
00:59:48,490 --> 00:59:51,234
on to stuff. And and and it's it's

1782
00:59:51,234 --> 00:59:53,315
ego. Right? I've I've I've, you know, I'm

1783
00:59:53,315 --> 00:59:55,074
a lawyer. We we we're we're we're given

1784
00:59:55,074 --> 00:59:57,474
egos when we graduate from law school. And,

1785
00:59:58,594 --> 00:59:59,795
so you think I can do it better

1786
00:59:59,795 --> 01:00:01,155
than anybody else. Right? I can do that.

1787
01:00:01,155 --> 01:00:02,275
I'll just do it. It's easier if I

1788
01:00:02,275 --> 01:00:02,909
just do it.

1789
01:00:03,469 --> 01:00:04,369
And and

1790
01:00:04,829 --> 01:00:06,269
but how are you gonna teach people to

1791
01:00:06,269 --> 01:00:07,710
lead? How are you gonna teach them? I'm

1792
01:00:07,710 --> 01:00:09,309
have I'm feeling the spirit when I when

1793
01:00:09,309 --> 01:00:10,829
I serve in my class. I'm having a

1794
01:00:10,829 --> 01:00:12,049
great experience

1795
01:00:12,429 --> 01:00:14,510
and and and learning so much about that.

1796
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:16,530
Why would I deny that to somebody else?

1797
01:00:16,795 --> 01:00:17,534
And so,

1798
01:00:18,074 --> 01:00:19,914
I think you have to delegate. And again,

1799
01:00:19,914 --> 01:00:21,695
it's it's a challenge as a leader

1800
01:00:21,994 --> 01:00:23,835
where I know what my my councils are

1801
01:00:23,835 --> 01:00:25,934
going through. I know what lives they lead.

1802
01:00:26,074 --> 01:00:27,755
It's like, oh, you know what? I'm an

1803
01:00:27,755 --> 01:00:29,355
empty nester. My kids are gone. I don't

1804
01:00:29,355 --> 01:00:31,375
have to you know, I've got extra time.

1805
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:33,039
And, of course, my wife's like, no. You

1806
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:33,539
don't.

1807
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,719
And and so, like, instead of giving this

1808
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,039
task to to president, you know, my counselor,

1809
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:40,480
I'll say, oh, I'll just keep the task

1810
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:40,980
myself.

1811
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:42,819
And and that's,

1812
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,880
you know, that's not how it works. And

1813
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,105
then, of course, I've got 12 high councilmen.

1814
01:00:47,164 --> 01:00:48,625
Let's give them the task.

1815
01:00:48,925 --> 01:00:51,425
And and, you know, I I kind of

1816
01:00:51,644 --> 01:00:52,844
this is a bad habit I have is

1817
01:00:52,844 --> 01:00:54,445
I let members have direct access to me.

1818
01:00:54,445 --> 01:00:55,744
My phone number's in the directory,

1819
01:00:56,125 --> 01:00:58,445
and members it I I kinda keep things

1820
01:00:58,445 --> 01:00:58,945
flat.

1821
01:00:59,539 --> 01:01:01,380
Yeah. And then I'll get that challenge. It's

1822
01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:03,300
like, yeah. This is not a challenge. I

1823
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:04,579
get it. Thank you for letting me know.

1824
01:01:04,579 --> 01:01:06,019
But let's have brother so and so on

1825
01:01:06,019 --> 01:01:08,019
the high council work through this issue. And

1826
01:01:08,019 --> 01:01:09,619
you guys if if you need me to

1827
01:01:09,619 --> 01:01:11,380
get engaged, I'll get engaged. So you you

1828
01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:13,219
just have to it's just the leadership thing

1829
01:01:13,219 --> 01:01:15,255
you have to be willing to delegate, and

1830
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you have to be willing to let people

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do their callings.

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And you you don't wanna be overbearing on

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it, but let them figure the space out

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for how they're gonna do their calling. Yeah.

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That's powerful.

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Well, before we wrap up,

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maybe share with me the concept behind this

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principle of connecting leaders to the blessings of

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leadership.

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Yeah. This is this is president Hill taught

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me this. So if you go into,

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it's actually four four one. It talks about

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this principle of

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as you lead,

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you will the lives of others.

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As you see their lives be blessed,

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that the principles of the priesthood

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and this is this is 84 as well,

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is those blessings come back to you. And

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president Hill calls this the cycle, the leadership

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cycle,

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that as we serve and lead and as

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we do our best to bless others,

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god will bless us back again. And Benjamin

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talked about this, about our our eternal death

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to god as as we are faithful and

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obedient. God blesses us. That puts us in

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debt, but that inspires us to to be

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more obedient than god blesses us. We're always

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constantly in debt to god.

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That leadership cycle is just amazing because as

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you serve,

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then all of a sudden you see in

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your own personal life,

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you see alignment take place.

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And and you see,

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God working in your life, and you see

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how grace works in your life as you

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serve and help bless others. It it's this

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principle of of you lose yourself to find

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yourself.

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If you lose yourself in the ministry,

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it's amazing how that comes back in that

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cycle. So you connect leaders to that cycle.

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You want to connect to that idea that

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they lose yourself in service,

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and and you will find that that greater

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capacity.

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I teach branch presidents the the the principle

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of the loaves and the fishes. You know,

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when you call a branch president, they're like,

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I have no loaves. I have no fishes.

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How am I going to do this? And

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if if you have faith, you look at

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your time and your resources as loaves and

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fishes.

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Your calling as a branch president let me

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step back real quick if you if you

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don't mind. Is every leader I call, I

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I walk them through their priorities. And I

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say, your number of priority is your your

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relationship with your heavenly father and savior Jesus

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Christ. If you need to know what do

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I need to spend time on, that's your

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first priority, time priority. Your second priority is

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your wife.

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Your third priority is your children.

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Your fourth priority is your job, and then

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your fifth priority is your church calling. Now

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we've all been there. I'm sure you're, as

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an elder school president, have you, are thinking,

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yeah. I'm not balancing that out very well.

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I know I'm not.

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And so but what I found is is

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that as I go through this cycle of

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serving the lord,

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he creates loaves and fishes in my life.

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And I find greater capacity to be have

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a better relationship with my heavenly father and

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savior Jesus Christ, a better relationship with my

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wife, a better relationship with my children, a

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better relationship with my employer

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because

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I'm doing what I can,

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and I'm giving God the space to give

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me those loaves and fishes. So that's that

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cycle. That's what I like, we try to

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work with with leaders about connecting you to

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that to that cycle. And trust the lord

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will give you those loves and fishes.

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That's powerful. Love it. Really good. Well, John,

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this has been so insightful and just so

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interesting to learn,

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about leadership, but more in the context of

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maybe,

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you know, the the in places that aren't

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familiar to a lot of us, you know,

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being in a military,

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unit in in Seoul, Korea and and wow.

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What a remarkable experience. And,

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last question I have for you is just

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as you reflect on your time as a

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leader, how has being a leader helped you

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become a better follower of Jesus Christ?

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Yeah. So I'll I'll I'll tell you that

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by telling a story that that has, blessed

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me greatly. When I was in Germany,

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this is at the beginning of the wars

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in

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Iraq, called Operation Iraqi Freedom, number '1, '2

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thousand and '3. And most of the brethren

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in our district had or our our,

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our stake, our stake over there, had left.

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And so I had several columns. I was,

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I think, at that time, I was on

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the high council and I was the gospel

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doctor instructor and and every and, of course,

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and and I was home teaching what we

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called war widows

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and happening with their families, which is a

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very stressful time.

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We were I was in Darmstadt, Germany, which

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is just south of Frankfurt, and the area

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presidency is in Frankfurt. And at the time,

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elder Craig Zwick was in the area presidency.

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His our elders quorum president,

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was,

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had been a missionary under when elders Zwick

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was a mission president. And so elders Zwick,

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whenever he had not no other assignment in

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the church on the side, he'd come to

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our branch.

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And and I was teaching god. I taught

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him gospel doctrine,

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several times. And and it's intimidating in a

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classroom and have on the front row a

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member of the quorum of the seventies who

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are trying to teach the doctrines of the

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church. And so I stammered my way through

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the lessons.

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But after every lesson,

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elders Wick would come up to me and

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look me in the eye

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with as

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the face of Christ is all I can

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say. That Christ like love. And he put

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his hand on my shoulder and say, put

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a hold away. That is the best lesson

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to I I've ever had on that topic.

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You did an amazing love. I love you.

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Thank you so much.

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How much was that? Ten seconds?

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That ten seconds changed my life

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every time you did that.

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And I think as we serve and as

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we remember

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that we reflect

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the love of our savior Jesus Christ. And

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as we look people in the eye, we

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we may not have the balm to heal

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everything in their lives. But if we look

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them in the eyes leaders and we, with

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testimony and with power,

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say,

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I love you.

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I'm grateful for what you do. The lord

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loves you.

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Keep driving on and do the best you

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can do. Let me know how I can

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help, and we will pray for you and

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whatever I can do to help you.

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Ten seconds. You do that as a leader,

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you will change lives.

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Connect them to heaven,

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challenge them to pray,

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and and and and you will see amazing

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results. And again, like this leadership cycle, and

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you will see amazing results in your personal

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life. Do something.

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If you screw it up, that's fine. The

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lord will walk and help you through it.

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If it goes well, boy, the blessings are

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just amazing,

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but never do nothing.

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And that concludes this how I lead

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interview. I hope you enjoyed it. And, I

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would ask you, could you take a minute

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and drop this link in an email, on

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social media, in a text, wherever it makes

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the most sense, and share it with somebody

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01:07:52,085 --> 01:07:55,125
who could relate to this experience. And this

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01:07:55,125 --> 01:07:57,284
is how we develop as leaders, just hearing

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01:07:57,284 --> 01:07:59,045
what the other guy's doing, trying some things

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out, testing, adjusting

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01:08:00,724 --> 01:08:01,925
for your area. And,

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01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:04,829
that's where great leadership's discovered. Right? So we

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01:08:04,829 --> 01:08:06,989
would love to have you, share this with,

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somebody in this calling or a related calling,

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and that would be great. And also if

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you know somebody,

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any type of leader who would be a

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fantastic guest on the how I lead segment,

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reach out to us. Go to leadingsaints.org/contact.

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01:08:20,845 --> 01:08:23,244
Maybe send this in individual an email letting

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them know that you're going to be suggesting

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their name for this interview. We'll reach out

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to them and, see see if we can

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line them up. So, again, go to leadingsaints.org/contact,

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01:08:32,750 --> 01:08:34,609
and there you can submit all the information

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and let us know. And maybe they will

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be on a future How I Lead segment

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on the Leading Saints podcast.

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It came as a result of the position

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of leadership which was imposed upon us

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01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:03,579
by the God of heaven who brought forth

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a restoration

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of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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And when the declaration was made

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concerning the only and only true and living

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church upon the face of the earth,

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we were immediately put in a position of

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loneliness,

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the loneliness of leadership

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from which we cannot shrink nor run away,

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and to which we must face up with

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boldness and courage

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and ability.