1 00:00:02,255 --> 00:00:03,725 - How's your teaching calling going? 2 00:00:04,035 --> 00:00:06,325 Have you ever asked a question during the second hour? 3 00:00:06,425 --> 00:00:09,045 And suddenly everyone is looking at the carpet in silence? 4 00:00:09,455 --> 00:00:12,285 There are proven methods to stimulate class discussion 5 00:00:12,285 --> 00:00:13,445 that work like a charm. 6 00:00:13,615 --> 00:00:16,725 David Farmsworth does a masterful job presenting on this 7 00:00:16,755 --> 00:00:20,125 very subject in the Teaching Saints Virtual Library. 8 00:00:20,635 --> 00:00:22,085 What questions? Get people talking. 9 00:00:22,465 --> 00:00:23,805 How can you effectively listen 10 00:00:23,825 --> 00:00:26,685 to the answer they're saying without being distracted of 11 00:00:26,735 --> 00:00:27,925 where you want to take the class? 12 00:00:27,955 --> 00:00:30,605 Next? These are crucial principles to consider, 13 00:00:30,615 --> 00:00:33,485 especially in this time of Come Follow Me Sunday School. 14 00:00:33,745 --> 00:00:36,085 You can watch David Farnsworth presentation 15 00:00:36,105 --> 00:00:39,445 by visiting leading saints.org/fourteen. 16 00:00:39,895 --> 00:00:42,565 There you can gain free access for 14 days 17 00:00:42,585 --> 00:00:44,405 to the Teaching Saints Virtual Library, 18 00:00:44,695 --> 00:00:45,885 where you'll find hours 19 00:00:46,025 --> 00:00:47,045 and hours of content 20 00:00:47,425 --> 00:00:49,765 to help you be a better prepared Sunday teacher. 21 00:00:54,065 --> 00:00:55,925 Hey, welcome to the Leading Saints Podcast. 22 00:00:56,265 --> 00:00:58,445 Now, for many of you that are brand new, uh, 23 00:00:58,465 --> 00:01:00,485 to Leading Saints, it's important that you know 24 00:01:00,485 --> 00:01:04,205 that Leading Saints is a nonprofit organization, 5 0 1 C3, 25 00:01:04,435 --> 00:01:07,245 dedicated to helping Latter Day Saints be 26 00:01:07,245 --> 00:01:08,485 better prepared to lead. 27 00:01:08,505 --> 00:01:10,965 And we do that through content creation. 28 00:01:11,225 --> 00:01:13,325 We get so much positive feedback on the podcast, 29 00:01:13,625 --> 00:01:16,445 our virtual conferences, the articles on our website. 30 00:01:16,905 --> 00:01:19,525 You definitely gotta check it out@leadingsaints.org 31 00:01:19,865 --> 00:01:21,965 and on their homepage@leadingsaints.org. 32 00:01:21,965 --> 00:01:24,565 You can actually find the top six most downloaded 33 00:01:24,725 --> 00:01:25,765 episodes to the podcast. 34 00:01:25,945 --> 00:01:28,805 So if you're new, like the content, want to jump into some 35 00:01:28,805 --> 00:01:30,045 of our most popular episodes? 36 00:01:30,315 --> 00:01:32,365 Head there after you listen to this episode. 37 00:01:42,755 --> 00:01:44,645 Welcome back to the Leading Saints podcast. 38 00:01:44,815 --> 00:01:47,125 Today I get to welcome on, uh, Jim Ritchie. 39 00:01:47,125 --> 00:01:48,685 How are you, Jim? Good. Awesome. 40 00:01:48,945 --> 00:01:50,765 Now, you have been, uh, on my list 41 00:01:50,945 --> 00:01:54,205 of people suggesting people I should interview for a while 42 00:01:54,225 --> 00:01:55,405 and we're finally making it happen. 43 00:01:55,465 --> 00:01:57,045 And where does your story begin? 44 00:01:57,045 --> 00:01:58,165 Where's a good starting point? 45 00:01:58,745 --> 00:02:00,965 - Oh, man, that, that's gotta go way back 46 00:02:01,025 --> 00:02:02,685 to when I was a year old. 47 00:02:02,805 --> 00:02:06,645 I had, I got polio, so I was, had this, I was born, 48 00:02:06,645 --> 00:02:09,765 raised on the chicken farm and a feed mill and a motel and, 49 00:02:10,225 --> 00:02:11,765 and I paper out area. 50 00:02:11,905 --> 00:02:14,365 So my parents were very hardworking people, but, 51 00:02:14,665 --> 00:02:17,205 and I was only one of two children, the second of two kids 52 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:18,605 and got polio. 53 00:02:18,625 --> 00:02:21,365 So I had this bad leg is in the hospital for five months 54 00:02:21,365 --> 00:02:23,205 with, I don't remember any of that. 55 00:02:23,705 --> 00:02:25,925 But then when I was two years old, learning to speak, 56 00:02:26,685 --> 00:02:30,205 I stuttered when very badly, when I learned how to talk. 57 00:02:30,265 --> 00:02:33,285 And so I lived with these two handicaps, quote, 58 00:02:33,315 --> 00:02:35,485 even though my parents wouldn't let me feel sorry 59 00:02:35,505 --> 00:02:38,125 for myself, they they kept me working 18 60 00:02:38,125 --> 00:02:39,405 hours a day, even as a kid. 61 00:02:39,505 --> 00:02:42,645 But, but I had this inferior complex 62 00:02:42,645 --> 00:02:43,885 that I was gonna fail in life 63 00:02:44,085 --> 00:02:46,805 'cause I couldn't be the quarterback on the football team. 64 00:02:46,985 --> 00:02:48,805 And I couldn't be the debate captain 65 00:02:49,035 --> 00:02:50,725 because I had these impediments. 66 00:02:50,785 --> 00:02:54,365 And so I, but I also, I, I'll just to add to this 67 00:02:54,365 --> 00:02:55,885 and make a long story short, I, 68 00:02:56,445 --> 00:02:58,925 I think it ended up being one of my strengths 69 00:02:59,045 --> 00:03:01,885 because it forced me, you know, kids would, 70 00:03:01,885 --> 00:03:03,765 my friends would kinda laugh at me a little bit 71 00:03:03,965 --> 00:03:06,645 'cause of my stuttering and my, my limping and so on. 72 00:03:06,705 --> 00:03:09,005 And, and I would feel bad about that. 73 00:03:09,185 --> 00:03:12,565 But I discovered if I would laugh with them, that I learned 74 00:03:12,565 --> 00:03:14,685 that, that it, I made a lot of friends. 75 00:03:15,005 --> 00:03:17,725 I hmm. Even though I couldn't communicate very well 76 00:03:17,745 --> 00:03:22,085 and couldn't play the football game, I, I be, I voted the, 77 00:03:22,145 --> 00:03:24,165 the, the seventh grade class president 78 00:03:24,185 --> 00:03:27,485 and eighth grade student body president for junior high, 79 00:03:27,485 --> 00:03:29,845 and then the senior high, I as a student body president 80 00:03:29,845 --> 00:03:33,525 for the school for Wasatch High as my last year in school. 81 00:03:33,705 --> 00:03:36,165 So even though I couldn't communicate the story, 82 00:03:36,565 --> 00:03:41,525 I discovered that my inadequacies gave me the courage to try 83 00:03:41,525 --> 00:03:43,405 to laugh it off and smile it off and, 84 00:03:43,785 --> 00:03:46,245 and made a lot of friends in a process to where I learned 85 00:03:46,245 --> 00:03:48,005 how to cope with that probably life. 86 00:03:48,105 --> 00:03:50,165 So yeah, it, it kinda got me going, 87 00:03:50,825 --> 00:03:55,165 but it helped me discover that you can, uh, compensate 88 00:03:55,185 --> 00:03:57,965 and sometimes we get compensated when 89 00:03:57,965 --> 00:03:59,205 we discover a weakness. 90 00:03:59,595 --> 00:04:02,125 Sometimes it can become our great strength. Yeah. 91 00:04:02,265 --> 00:04:05,205 - So there's a lot of leadership indicators in your, 92 00:04:05,225 --> 00:04:07,085 in your character, even a young age, 93 00:04:07,105 --> 00:04:08,105 - You know? 94 00:04:08,105 --> 00:04:08,405 And my brother was the, 95 00:04:08,665 --> 00:04:10,405 was the junior high student body president 96 00:04:10,405 --> 00:04:12,005 and the senior high student wide president. 97 00:04:12,045 --> 00:04:14,565 I was four years behind him in the same building. 98 00:04:14,865 --> 00:04:16,845 So we, we, we kind of followed him too. 99 00:04:16,845 --> 00:04:18,645 He became a doctor, a cardiologist. 100 00:04:18,705 --> 00:04:20,365 And so it was kind of nice 101 00:04:20,365 --> 00:04:22,525 to have parents really hardworking 102 00:04:22,525 --> 00:04:25,805 and very popular in the community and hired a lot of kids. 103 00:04:25,905 --> 00:04:29,405 And so we worked hard, but we also learned to, to compensate 104 00:04:29,405 --> 00:04:32,645 and, and followed a big brother and mom and dad and, 105 00:04:33,025 --> 00:04:35,285 and, uh, some great friends that really helped me get 106 00:04:35,285 --> 00:04:36,285 through that era of life 107 00:04:36,285 --> 00:04:38,965 that I wonder if I'd ever be able to make it in life. 108 00:04:38,965 --> 00:04:41,045 Yeah. So it was interesting time. And 109 00:04:41,045 --> 00:04:42,445 - Then did you serve a mission as a young man 110 00:04:42,635 --> 00:04:43,635 - Then? 111 00:04:43,635 --> 00:04:44,365 I just about didn't serve a mission 112 00:04:44,635 --> 00:04:46,365 because of my inadequacies. 113 00:04:46,405 --> 00:04:48,005 I figured I'd be a lousy missionary. 114 00:04:48,005 --> 00:04:51,205 And so I, when I graduated from high school, I ran away 115 00:04:51,205 --> 00:04:54,605 to a gentile school, , the, the University of Utah 116 00:04:54,765 --> 00:04:55,765 - . 117 00:04:55,765 --> 00:04:57,085 Oh boy, we're, we share that, but that's 118 00:04:57,085 --> 00:04:58,485 because BYE didn't want me but 119 00:04:58,765 --> 00:04:59,765 - . 120 00:04:59,765 --> 00:05:02,125 And so I ran away to, to kinda hide from my bishop 121 00:05:02,305 --> 00:05:03,845 and my mom and dad. And 122 00:05:04,345 --> 00:05:05,525 - You didn't want the pressure. Yeah. 123 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:07,085 - . Yeah. So anyway, but I, 124 00:05:07,105 --> 00:05:10,205 but fortunately I came home a few weekends and, uh, 125 00:05:10,705 --> 00:05:12,125 and one time I came home 126 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:14,405 and went to my priest corps class at church. 127 00:05:14,505 --> 00:05:16,285 And one of my best friends, my, 128 00:05:16,285 --> 00:05:17,925 the high school principal I'd worked with 129 00:05:17,945 --> 00:05:19,365 as the student body president, he, 130 00:05:19,665 --> 00:05:21,125 he was my priest Corps advisor. 131 00:05:21,265 --> 00:05:22,925 And when I walked in the door, 132 00:05:23,065 --> 00:05:25,165 he said he changed the lesson totally 133 00:05:26,025 --> 00:05:29,205 and taught a lesson on doctrine of covenants 82 and 10. 134 00:05:30,005 --> 00:05:33,085 I, the Lord abound when you do what I say, if you do not 135 00:05:33,085 --> 00:05:34,365 what I say, you have no promise. 136 00:05:34,945 --> 00:05:37,365 On the way out of the class, he put his arm around me 137 00:05:37,385 --> 00:05:40,285 and said, Jim, do you, do you know who that lesson was for? 138 00:05:40,825 --> 00:05:43,005 And I said, that was for me, wasn't it? And he said, yes. 139 00:05:43,025 --> 00:05:44,765 He said, I saw you walk the door. 140 00:05:44,785 --> 00:05:49,085 And I, and I just was inspired to teach that lesson today. 141 00:05:49,465 --> 00:05:50,845 And he said, you have a problem 142 00:05:51,025 --> 00:05:52,565 and you're trying to run away from it, 143 00:05:53,105 --> 00:05:54,365 and the Lord can't bless you. 144 00:05:54,885 --> 00:05:56,965 I Lord, a bound when you do what I say. Mm-Hmm. 145 00:05:57,665 --> 00:05:59,645 And he walked me right to the bishop's office 146 00:05:59,785 --> 00:06:01,725 and picked up the mission papers, 147 00:06:01,865 --> 00:06:04,245 and a few weeks later, I received a call to go 148 00:06:04,245 --> 00:06:05,445 to Scotland Wow. 149 00:06:05,625 --> 00:06:09,045 On my mission. And, uh, I don't know, without that lesson, 150 00:06:09,245 --> 00:06:11,205 I might not have gone, I, I look back on my life 151 00:06:11,205 --> 00:06:14,485 and realized that a few times in my life when a mentor 152 00:06:15,275 --> 00:06:17,885 stepped in and saved my direction, 153 00:06:17,885 --> 00:06:20,325 because I'll still destroy in a minute here, 154 00:06:20,325 --> 00:06:23,365 but I could still be in Hebrew city herding chickens right 155 00:06:23,365 --> 00:06:25,285 now, you know, it's 70 years, years later. 156 00:06:25,825 --> 00:06:26,885 But without that lesson, 157 00:06:27,225 --> 00:06:28,685 and then I'll just keep going a minute. 158 00:06:28,885 --> 00:06:32,525 'cause I, and then I get to the m empty old mt No, no, MTC, 159 00:06:32,525 --> 00:06:34,085 the old Mission home in Salt Lake. 160 00:06:34,085 --> 00:06:35,205 Mm-Hmm. downtown Salt Lake. 161 00:06:35,305 --> 00:06:37,205 And in that, I was there for a week 162 00:06:37,385 --> 00:06:39,565 and, uh, went to Logan to get her endowments. 163 00:06:39,915 --> 00:06:41,205 Salt Lake Temple was closed. 164 00:06:41,305 --> 00:06:44,165 And, and, uh, I had a dream one night, 165 00:06:44,225 --> 00:06:46,525 and I dreamed I was in Scotland knocking on doors. 166 00:06:46,585 --> 00:06:48,925 And this little old lady, uh, opened the door 167 00:06:49,225 --> 00:06:51,445 and introduced myself in perfect English, 168 00:06:51,815 --> 00:06:53,685 which I couldn't have done in real life. 169 00:06:53,785 --> 00:06:56,245 And, and then they had ended, the dream ended. 170 00:06:56,345 --> 00:06:57,725 So I'd get on the airplane 171 00:06:57,825 --> 00:07:00,685 and one of the first few I regular flights going 172 00:07:00,685 --> 00:07:02,605 to Europe in 1962, and, 173 00:07:02,865 --> 00:07:05,565 and land with my first mission president Bernard Brockbank, 174 00:07:05,585 --> 00:07:07,205 who became a general authority eventually. 175 00:07:07,205 --> 00:07:09,845 And, and he asked me some yes or no questions. 176 00:07:10,025 --> 00:07:11,925 You don't stutter when you say yes or no. 177 00:07:12,425 --> 00:07:14,645 And so he had no idea that I had a problem. 178 00:07:15,305 --> 00:07:17,205 And he sends me out to No Barton that night, 179 00:07:17,225 --> 00:07:20,205 and my new big six foot six companion from Bountiful, 180 00:07:20,705 --> 00:07:23,685 we unpack my bags and, and then we go knocking on doors. 181 00:07:23,825 --> 00:07:26,725 And he takes the first 20 doors, whatever, and, 182 00:07:27,185 --> 00:07:28,765 and, uh, without any success. 183 00:07:28,825 --> 00:07:30,885 And then he says, finally says to me, 184 00:07:30,885 --> 00:07:32,365 elder Richie, this is your door. 185 00:07:32,925 --> 00:07:35,565 I don't need to knock. I just gotta lay my arm on that door. 186 00:07:35,845 --> 00:07:37,765 , you're so nervous. Because I'm so nervous. 187 00:07:38,505 --> 00:07:39,765 Anyway, the door opens 188 00:07:39,765 --> 00:07:42,405 and there's this little lady in my dream now I dreamed in 189 00:07:42,425 --> 00:07:44,005 the mission hall there she was this 190 00:07:44,105 --> 00:07:45,525 little old lady standing there. 191 00:07:45,525 --> 00:07:47,925 And I went, in my heart, I went, hoo, man, 192 00:07:47,925 --> 00:07:48,925 the church is true. 193 00:07:49,565 --> 00:07:51,725 I mean, it is gonna be idle, Lord abound, 194 00:07:51,865 --> 00:07:52,965 you know, I'm here on my mission. 195 00:07:53,065 --> 00:07:54,645 I'm gonna have this great blessing happen. 196 00:07:54,705 --> 00:07:56,125 And I opened my mouth 197 00:07:56,145 --> 00:07:59,205 to give this little memorized door approach about my friend 198 00:07:59,225 --> 00:08:01,565 and I, and I couldn't say friend my, 199 00:08:01,895 --> 00:08:03,645 everything I could say would, but friend, 200 00:08:03,665 --> 00:08:05,285 and finally had a mercy. 201 00:08:05,505 --> 00:08:08,245 My companion took over and introduced us, 202 00:08:08,305 --> 00:08:11,645 and, uh, she had no interest in the church, closed the door. 203 00:08:12,145 --> 00:08:14,845 And I said, at that point, I said, this is gonna fail. 204 00:08:14,985 --> 00:08:17,245 I'm gonna be a, I'm gonna fail as a missionary. Mm-Hmm. 205 00:08:17,525 --> 00:08:18,925 I said, don't make me do that again. 206 00:08:19,075 --> 00:08:22,125 I'll pack the bags and you do the talk. And I can't go home. 207 00:08:22,245 --> 00:08:25,685 I can't embarrass my folks and my brother, so I gotta stay. 208 00:08:25,685 --> 00:08:28,885 And I've only got 729 more days to go . 209 00:08:30,585 --> 00:08:32,565 And so we, we go for two or three days. 210 00:08:32,785 --> 00:08:34,205 I'm, he does the talking. 211 00:08:34,345 --> 00:08:35,605 And two days 212 00:08:35,855 --> 00:08:39,965 after transfers, were over on a Thursday of that week, 213 00:08:40,555 --> 00:08:41,885 another transfer happens. 214 00:08:42,025 --> 00:08:43,165 And I've been a mission president, 215 00:08:43,165 --> 00:08:44,645 so I know how transfers work. 216 00:08:45,145 --> 00:08:46,485 But you don't transfer one day. 217 00:08:46,485 --> 00:08:48,485 And then two days later you do another transfer. 218 00:08:48,585 --> 00:08:51,605 He transferred into our zone, a new zone leader 219 00:08:52,145 --> 00:08:54,485 who had been a Catholic priest in Oh wow. 220 00:08:54,545 --> 00:08:56,065 In New England, like 221 00:08:56,065 --> 00:08:57,545 - Before he converted - before Mission. 222 00:08:58,125 --> 00:09:01,425 And he had one of his PR parishioners had come to him 223 00:09:01,535 --> 00:09:03,345 with a book of Mormon given to her 224 00:09:03,365 --> 00:09:06,665 by two sister Missionaries and Liver in, uh, Newcastle. 225 00:09:07,205 --> 00:09:10,465 And they asked, they, she asked her if she's to read 226 00:09:10,465 --> 00:09:12,065 that book, and he said, no, it's of the devil. 227 00:09:12,565 --> 00:09:13,905 But he said, I'll tell you what I'll do. 228 00:09:13,905 --> 00:09:16,545 I'll read it for you and I'll you come back in a week 229 00:09:16,545 --> 00:09:18,625 and I'll tell you why you don't wanna read that book. 230 00:09:19,165 --> 00:09:21,505 He read it once, he read it twice. 231 00:09:22,085 --> 00:09:24,505 He said the third time through, he knew he was in trouble. 232 00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:27,825 eventually joined the church with disowned 233 00:09:27,825 --> 00:09:29,465 by his family, disowned by a church. 234 00:09:30,085 --> 00:09:32,345 And Bernard Breck Bank sponsored him on a 235 00:09:32,345 --> 00:09:33,425 mission, brought him to Scotland. 236 00:09:34,095 --> 00:09:35,105 He'd been 18 months. 237 00:09:35,485 --> 00:09:38,065 One of the great communicators, he was the Jeff Holland of 238 00:09:38,585 --> 00:09:40,185 Scotland at that time, because he was 239 00:09:40,185 --> 00:09:41,265 just a great communicator. 240 00:09:41,365 --> 00:09:43,265 And, and that go could go anywhere. 241 00:09:43,265 --> 00:09:44,625 He, he could go anywhere on a mission 242 00:09:44,805 --> 00:09:47,065 to speak on invitation, where most 243 00:09:47,065 --> 00:09:48,665 of us were restricted to our zones. 244 00:09:48,725 --> 00:09:51,625 And, and he called up Saturday night, two days 245 00:09:51,625 --> 00:09:53,545 after he got there, didn't, would never met, 246 00:09:54,085 --> 00:09:55,265 had no idea I had a problem, 247 00:09:55,925 --> 00:09:59,105 and said, uh, elder Barlow, I wanna go, we're gonna go 248 00:09:59,105 --> 00:10:01,265 to these three wards or branches tomorrow to speak, 249 00:10:01,325 --> 00:10:03,185 and I wanna trade companions. 250 00:10:03,265 --> 00:10:04,665 I wanna take Elder Richie with me. 251 00:10:05,325 --> 00:10:07,465 And so we drive into these three branches 252 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:08,665 and wards the next day. 253 00:10:08,665 --> 00:10:10,145 And on the way, he says, by the way, 254 00:10:10,565 --> 00:10:12,545 you'll be given a talk today on Faith. 255 00:10:12,725 --> 00:10:15,705 And I say, no, I don't do that. He said, yeah, you'll, 256 00:10:15,705 --> 00:10:17,545 - You're the missionary that doesn't talk right 257 00:10:18,205 --> 00:10:20,785 - No, you'll, he said, and he made me stand up in front of 258 00:10:20,785 --> 00:10:22,865 that group and give this five minute terrible talk. 259 00:10:23,385 --> 00:10:25,065 I mean, I destroyed it. It was terrible. 260 00:10:25,205 --> 00:10:29,105 And then he gets up 35 minutes and dazzles the audience, 261 00:10:29,165 --> 00:10:30,985 and everybody lines up to join the church. 262 00:10:31,085 --> 00:10:33,345 And I'm overdoing this story just a little bit. 263 00:10:33,885 --> 00:10:35,905 And then he goes to the next meeting, he says, 264 00:10:35,905 --> 00:10:38,265 five minutes on repentance, five minutes on something else. 265 00:10:38,405 --> 00:10:40,345 And, and I suffer through the day. 266 00:10:40,345 --> 00:10:41,945 And then the next week he does the same thing 267 00:10:42,565 --> 00:10:44,225 for the next six months every day. 268 00:10:44,225 --> 00:10:46,385 But fast day, he took me all over Scotland, 269 00:10:46,965 --> 00:10:50,545 making me give these five minute talks until one day, 270 00:10:50,545 --> 00:10:52,825 about halfway through that experience, I stood up 271 00:10:52,825 --> 00:10:55,665 and gave a little talk that I can still remember this little 272 00:10:55,685 --> 00:10:58,025 old man walking up to me in the aisle 273 00:10:58,025 --> 00:11:00,025 of this rendered hall in Scotland and, 274 00:11:00,525 --> 00:11:03,345 and thanked me for what I'd said that first time in my life, 275 00:11:04,055 --> 00:11:05,745 anybody but my mother had ever 276 00:11:05,745 --> 00:11:07,385 complimented me in what I'd said. 277 00:11:08,005 --> 00:11:09,585 And it changed my life. I mean, wow. 278 00:11:09,645 --> 00:11:11,505 It, it was like getting outta Liberty Jail. 279 00:11:11,745 --> 00:11:14,665 I, that's a lousy comparison, white, white comparison. 280 00:11:14,845 --> 00:11:17,985 But, but it, for me, it was, it was an escape from a prison 281 00:11:18,015 --> 00:11:20,905 that I thought I was gonna be trapped in my whole life. 282 00:11:21,645 --> 00:11:25,265 And it went on. David ha David bha arrived a few weeks later 283 00:11:25,765 --> 00:11:27,345 as our new mission president. 284 00:11:27,405 --> 00:11:29,305 And I spent the last eight months working 285 00:11:29,335 --> 00:11:30,385 very closely with him. 286 00:11:30,485 --> 00:11:32,545 And it was just a change of life. 287 00:11:32,605 --> 00:11:34,945 And I, he, he became my mentor for life. 288 00:11:34,965 --> 00:11:38,065 And I'll just finish with this part, with one a week 289 00:11:38,065 --> 00:11:40,025 before I went home from my mission, were on a, 290 00:11:40,405 --> 00:11:43,345 on the river Clyde, with the members on a preparation day, 291 00:11:43,345 --> 00:11:45,185 just on a outdoor excursion. 292 00:11:45,185 --> 00:11:47,905 And he comes up to the side of me on the edge of the boat 293 00:11:48,045 --> 00:11:50,345 and said, Jim, you're going home in a week. 294 00:11:50,365 --> 00:11:51,745 He said, lemme tell you what I want 295 00:11:51,745 --> 00:11:52,825 you to do when you go home. 296 00:11:53,385 --> 00:11:56,485 And this has become what's ended up being the, the formula 297 00:11:56,705 --> 00:11:58,205 for success and happiness 298 00:11:58,545 --> 00:12:00,965 for teaching all over the world in this Launching Leaders 299 00:12:00,965 --> 00:12:04,645 course is, is the foundation of that was get up early, 300 00:12:05,395 --> 00:12:10,285 work hard, get your education, you gotta find your oil, find 301 00:12:10,285 --> 00:12:12,485 where your, that's a J Paul Getty statement, 302 00:12:12,485 --> 00:12:13,685 but we've incorporated it. 303 00:12:14,275 --> 00:12:17,645 Find your oil so you can, number five, make your mark. 304 00:12:17,745 --> 00:12:19,285 Mm-Hmm. You gotta be good at something. 305 00:12:19,745 --> 00:12:22,245 You gotta have your oil to do it, to get good at something. 306 00:12:22,585 --> 00:12:24,485 And tho those five steps, he said, 307 00:12:24,525 --> 00:12:27,285 I guarantee will help you be, it'll make you successful, 308 00:12:27,985 --> 00:12:30,515 but it won't guarantee happiness. 309 00:12:30,975 --> 00:12:33,035 He said, if you'll do those five things and get, 310 00:12:33,135 --> 00:12:34,835 and be, get successful at something, 311 00:12:35,465 --> 00:12:37,515 then do number six and you'll be happy. 312 00:12:37,575 --> 00:12:40,835 And that is give back or serve others. 313 00:12:41,325 --> 00:12:43,555 Build a kingdom, whatever the word you want to use. 314 00:12:44,095 --> 00:12:46,555 If you'll find your oil and make your marking life 315 00:12:47,015 --> 00:12:50,795 and then give it away, then you'll find real happiness. 316 00:12:51,135 --> 00:12:53,035 And I can bear witness. That's really true. 317 00:12:53,315 --> 00:12:56,075 I, we spend our life teaching that all over the world. 318 00:12:56,135 --> 00:12:59,155 And it's, I've never seen this an exception to it. Yeah. 319 00:12:59,155 --> 00:13:01,835 - Yeah. And that came from, uh, president hate, elder hate. 320 00:13:01,835 --> 00:13:02,995 Right. B hate. Wow. 321 00:13:03,175 --> 00:13:06,515 So, I'm curious working with, uh, David bha, uh, 322 00:13:06,545 --> 00:13:07,915 I've read his biography. 323 00:13:07,915 --> 00:13:09,395 He is just so inspiring his journey 324 00:13:09,415 --> 00:13:10,675 and the type of man he was. 325 00:13:11,115 --> 00:13:13,555 I mean, if someday when I interview him in, 326 00:13:13,555 --> 00:13:16,075 in the eternities, what are some leadership principles 327 00:13:16,075 --> 00:13:17,115 that, that come to the surface 328 00:13:17,195 --> 00:13:19,715 - Thinking, oh, he was such a successful man in everything. 329 00:13:19,895 --> 00:13:21,315 He, he was of course the business, 330 00:13:21,315 --> 00:13:22,395 the hated, hated hardware. 331 00:13:22,395 --> 00:13:24,035 He, his Palo Al Lo, 332 00:13:24,035 --> 00:13:26,075 and then he helped get the temple built, 333 00:13:26,135 --> 00:13:27,515 the name of state president. Yeah. 334 00:13:27,515 --> 00:13:29,275 - He's in California, Palo area, California 335 00:13:29,275 --> 00:13:30,555 - Uhhuh, you know, California guy. 336 00:13:30,575 --> 00:13:34,195 So everything he did was just an example of how to excel 337 00:13:34,255 --> 00:13:36,515 and do something out of the, out of the ordinary 338 00:13:36,535 --> 00:13:39,635 and help build, build his own world of business, 339 00:13:39,635 --> 00:13:41,315 which is children to go over and Iran, 340 00:13:41,775 --> 00:13:43,795 and then used it to build the kingdom, you know, 341 00:13:44,415 --> 00:13:46,075 get the temples built and organize 342 00:13:46,095 --> 00:13:47,635 and run in charge of that. 343 00:13:47,655 --> 00:13:50,035 And then, of course, move up to become one, 344 00:13:50,055 --> 00:13:51,075 one of the Chrome to 12. 345 00:13:51,175 --> 00:13:54,635 And for him to be end up being in Scotland 346 00:13:55,465 --> 00:13:57,875 when I was just getting through my real hardship, months 347 00:13:57,895 --> 00:13:59,115 of six months of trial, 348 00:13:59,615 --> 00:14:02,435 and then to have the next 18 months, I got to work with him. 349 00:14:02,655 --> 00:14:06,115 He changed the mission. He, he created five quote, 350 00:14:06,115 --> 00:14:07,555 what we call five missions named 351 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:08,995 after famous Scottish people. 352 00:14:09,235 --> 00:14:12,115 I was the, and called five mission presidents, five 353 00:14:12,115 --> 00:14:13,195 of us to be mission presidents. 354 00:14:13,195 --> 00:14:16,075 Really. I was, I was Robert De Bruce, the, 355 00:14:16,075 --> 00:14:18,475 the Bruce mission president for over fifth of the Mission. 356 00:14:18,535 --> 00:14:21,195 And for six months, and every Monday morning, got 357 00:14:21,195 --> 00:14:23,715 to get in his office and Paisley and work with him 358 00:14:23,815 --> 00:14:25,675 and hear him and talk with him. 359 00:14:25,735 --> 00:14:29,235 And, and it just life changing experience I just saw 360 00:14:29,465 --> 00:14:32,315 between my parents who taught me how to work 361 00:14:32,415 --> 00:14:34,195 and how to take opportunities. 362 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:38,595 And then to see him teach me how to lead and how to be that. 363 00:14:38,775 --> 00:14:41,275 And it would just, and then he, when I came home, 364 00:14:41,335 --> 00:14:42,755 he became a mentor of mine. 365 00:14:42,855 --> 00:14:44,435 He, he, I'm sure many 366 00:14:44,435 --> 00:14:47,755 of my colleagues in life have been ary small to David, 367 00:14:47,905 --> 00:14:50,475 hate taking this limping, stuttering chicken farmer 368 00:14:50,575 --> 00:14:52,445 and trying to make something of his life 369 00:14:52,445 --> 00:14:53,925 because he, he just, uh, 370 00:14:54,135 --> 00:14:56,485 would meet in his office once or twice a year. 371 00:14:56,545 --> 00:14:58,125 And, and I know that some 372 00:14:58,125 --> 00:14:59,645 of the colonies we'll talk about were, 373 00:14:59,715 --> 00:15:01,285 were definitely from David Ha. 374 00:15:01,345 --> 00:15:04,125 But he really impacted my life. Yeah. 375 00:15:04,505 --> 00:15:06,565 Let me just finish with saying this point about that, 376 00:15:06,565 --> 00:15:08,205 that I use this now. 377 00:15:08,365 --> 00:15:11,525 'cause in my patriarchal blessing as a 15-year-old kid, 378 00:15:12,135 --> 00:15:16,365 Ralph Giles, my patriarch in my own ward, gave me this, 379 00:15:16,365 --> 00:15:18,525 this limping stuttering chicken farmer kid. 380 00:15:18,605 --> 00:15:20,605 I wrote a limerick, and my only a in 381 00:15:20,605 --> 00:15:21,725 high school was a limerick. 382 00:15:21,745 --> 00:15:24,805 It was once was a boy named Jim, who was full of vigor. 383 00:15:24,805 --> 00:15:26,925 And vim who limped when he walked 384 00:15:26,945 --> 00:15:28,125 and stuttered when he talked, 385 00:15:28,125 --> 00:15:29,885 that little boy named Jim . 386 00:15:30,035 --> 00:15:31,405 That was my only a in high school. 387 00:15:31,585 --> 00:15:35,925 So I, uh, but Ralph Giles gave me a patriarchal blessing. 388 00:15:35,925 --> 00:15:37,445 And here it was, I mean, 389 00:15:37,445 --> 00:15:39,925 this limping stuttering chicken farmer kid. 390 00:15:39,945 --> 00:15:42,005 And he, and he laid his hands on my head 391 00:15:42,025 --> 00:15:44,005 and told me that I would travel for the church, 392 00:15:44,675 --> 00:15:47,005 that I would have friends all over the world 393 00:15:47,665 --> 00:15:49,325 and I would witness before many. 394 00:15:49,865 --> 00:15:51,125 Now he had to go home that night 395 00:15:51,125 --> 00:15:52,805 and tell his wife, he'd say, you can't believe 396 00:15:52,805 --> 00:15:54,005 what I just said to this kid. 397 00:15:54,285 --> 00:15:56,205 . I mean, , I'll, they'll, 398 00:15:56,205 --> 00:15:57,885 they'll never forgive me in Salt Lake, 399 00:15:58,545 --> 00:16:00,965 giving a patriarchal blessing to this kid that 400 00:16:00,965 --> 00:16:02,405 that's probably never gonna leave Dodge. 401 00:16:03,065 --> 00:16:05,445 And I told him he is gonna be all over the world doing 402 00:16:05,445 --> 00:16:07,325 things and, uh, friends all over the world, 403 00:16:07,385 --> 00:16:09,045 and he'll witness for many. 404 00:16:09,105 --> 00:16:11,525 And, and of course, nine missions later. 405 00:16:12,065 --> 00:16:15,405 And having spent 25 years in the mission field full time 406 00:16:15,405 --> 00:16:18,325 with my wife, uh, I mean, we got friends all over the world. 407 00:16:18,325 --> 00:16:20,405 Like we got an email list over a thousand people 408 00:16:20,405 --> 00:16:21,965 that we talked to every week. 409 00:16:22,065 --> 00:16:25,405 And, and we've been, we've spoken in thousands 410 00:16:25,405 --> 00:16:26,605 of places all over the world, 411 00:16:26,665 --> 00:16:28,725 and it's just really a, a miracle. 412 00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:31,965 But to think that heavenly father knows us 413 00:16:32,385 --> 00:16:34,845 and knows what we could do and what we ought to do 414 00:16:34,865 --> 00:16:36,285 and what we're ordained to do, 415 00:16:36,865 --> 00:16:39,765 and that, that he would tell me this again, limping, 416 00:16:39,765 --> 00:16:43,325 stuttering kid, that those things that I would be able to do 417 00:16:44,025 --> 00:16:46,405 and then to send a Catholic priest 418 00:16:46,425 --> 00:16:48,445 to become a full-time missionary and to, 419 00:16:48,585 --> 00:16:49,845 and to send him in my zone 420 00:16:49,905 --> 00:16:52,205 and have me take the only kid he took around the mission 421 00:16:52,265 --> 00:16:54,445 and made me stand up and communicate. 422 00:16:55,445 --> 00:16:57,725 I mean, he knows who we are. Yeah. And he does. 423 00:16:57,865 --> 00:17:00,565 And he'll, he'll fulfill every promise 424 00:17:00,745 --> 00:17:03,405 for ordained blessing in life if we'll just have the 425 00:17:03,405 --> 00:17:06,765 marrying trees of life, that high school principal to give 426 00:17:06,765 --> 00:17:08,045 that lesson at the right time 427 00:17:08,585 --> 00:17:12,685 and have me there to listen to it without which I, I shudder 428 00:17:12,685 --> 00:17:13,965 to what might have happened in my life. 429 00:17:14,115 --> 00:17:16,005 - Yeah. It's powerful. So I, I'd love 430 00:17:16,005 --> 00:17:17,085 to dig into these nuances. 431 00:17:17,085 --> 00:17:19,805 Going back to Elder Hates, uh, leadership. 432 00:17:19,945 --> 00:17:22,725 So he, did he have zone leaders in the mission? Yeah. 433 00:17:22,825 --> 00:17:24,165 But but he, did he call you 434 00:17:24,165 --> 00:17:25,485 mission president? Or He created, 435 00:17:25,485 --> 00:17:27,965 - He created five missions under which then each 436 00:17:27,965 --> 00:17:29,325 of us had several zones. 437 00:17:29,595 --> 00:17:32,525 Okay. E every senior companion was a district leader. 438 00:17:32,905 --> 00:17:34,325 The moment called us Senior Companion, 439 00:17:34,325 --> 00:17:36,325 and he had a, had a award to work with or branch. 440 00:17:36,425 --> 00:17:38,725 Oh, okay. So we all had our own board of branch. 441 00:17:38,825 --> 00:17:41,085 And, and that senior companion was in charge 442 00:17:41,085 --> 00:17:43,245 of all the missionaries, all the members of that ward, 443 00:17:43,745 --> 00:17:45,565 and then zone leader over several wards, 444 00:17:45,625 --> 00:17:47,565 and then the five mission leaders. 445 00:17:48,105 --> 00:17:50,215 In fact, as a mission president, I did the same thing. 446 00:17:51,215 --> 00:17:53,975 I was, uh, lucky enough to have John Carmack 447 00:17:54,035 --> 00:17:55,415 as my area president. 448 00:17:55,765 --> 00:17:57,855 They would never let me do the things I did. 449 00:17:58,135 --> 00:18:00,575 , I'd been for a guy who came along. 450 00:18:01,555 --> 00:18:02,655 In fact, let me tell you a story. 451 00:18:02,655 --> 00:18:04,855 We were in Virginia as mission president and, 452 00:18:05,435 --> 00:18:07,255 and we're having our first mission tour, 453 00:18:07,375 --> 00:18:09,455 and John Carmack is my area president. 454 00:18:09,475 --> 00:18:12,775 And, and he, we divide the mission into three regions like 455 00:18:12,775 --> 00:18:15,895 President Haight had done, we had the, the Bluefield region, 456 00:18:15,955 --> 00:18:18,495 and we had the Capital Richmond area Richmond. 457 00:18:18,515 --> 00:18:21,935 And, and the, the title came out, the, the Ocean, 458 00:18:22,155 --> 00:18:24,615 the Norfolk area, and three regions. 459 00:18:24,715 --> 00:18:27,695 And so anyway, we took him to the first regional conference 460 00:18:27,715 --> 00:18:30,655 and, and we had two assistants with us in the backseat. 461 00:18:31,565 --> 00:18:34,305 And, uh, and we just left Richmond, I think, and, 462 00:18:34,365 --> 00:18:38,225 and we left two area assistants in that region. 463 00:18:38,865 --> 00:18:40,465 I had eight assistants, two in each region, 464 00:18:40,925 --> 00:18:42,305 and two with us every month. 465 00:18:42,335 --> 00:18:44,945 We'd have two come in, train them, they'd go in the region 466 00:18:45,085 --> 00:18:47,665 and then sit two, go home and two more and come in. 467 00:18:47,925 --> 00:18:50,545 So we had eight minutes, eight assistant going all the time. 468 00:18:51,105 --> 00:18:53,425 'cause of David Haight and Elder Carmack. 469 00:18:53,425 --> 00:18:55,425 We got through at that first region conference. 470 00:18:55,425 --> 00:18:57,745 And he says, Jamie leaned up and I was driving. 471 00:18:57,805 --> 00:19:00,305 He said, how do you feel about being out of conformity 472 00:19:00,305 --> 00:19:02,825 with the white handbook in eight areas, ? 473 00:19:03,645 --> 00:19:06,305 And I can feel myself being released at the moment in time 474 00:19:06,405 --> 00:19:07,785 it spends being sent home. 475 00:19:08,405 --> 00:19:09,465 And I said, oh, yeah. 476 00:19:09,465 --> 00:19:12,425 Then he said, for instance, then he started naming 'em off 477 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,225 and named the eight assistants. 478 00:19:14,225 --> 00:19:16,785 He said, the white handbook calls for two, you got eight. 479 00:19:17,045 --> 00:19:19,945 And I said, David, eight that caught white handbook calls 480 00:19:19,965 --> 00:19:21,185 for zones and districts, 481 00:19:21,525 --> 00:19:24,585 you got region zones in conferences, said David Haight 482 00:19:25,325 --> 00:19:26,665 and on and on, everything. 483 00:19:26,705 --> 00:19:27,865 I blamed him for everything. 484 00:19:27,885 --> 00:19:30,705 And, and after he got through listing all of them, he said, 485 00:19:30,705 --> 00:19:33,145 you the white, you have yellow planters in the mission. 486 00:19:33,245 --> 00:19:35,865 You got Franklin planters in your deal. 487 00:19:36,025 --> 00:19:38,505 I said, well, I, with Franklin for five years hiring Smith 488 00:19:38,505 --> 00:19:41,145 came out and gave us all Franklin planters. 489 00:19:41,145 --> 00:19:43,105 And, and he said, when he finally got through, 490 00:19:43,125 --> 00:19:44,745 he said, he said, okay. 491 00:19:44,745 --> 00:19:46,105 He said, listen, he said, 492 00:19:46,105 --> 00:19:48,865 your mission's on fire said you're leading the whole 493 00:19:48,865 --> 00:19:49,905 area in baptisms. 494 00:19:49,905 --> 00:19:51,185 Everybody's doing a great job. 495 00:19:51,255 --> 00:19:53,545 Your, your missionaries are excited and loving it. 496 00:19:53,885 --> 00:19:55,185 He says, just do me one favor. 497 00:19:55,965 --> 00:19:57,305 He says, two weeks 498 00:19:57,325 --> 00:20:00,665 before you go home, make it look like a white handbook. 499 00:20:00,665 --> 00:20:04,425 Mission . He says, make it. 500 00:20:04,425 --> 00:20:05,705 He said, don't make somebody come 501 00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:07,785 and inherit your style or your mission. 502 00:20:07,925 --> 00:20:09,825 He said, they won't, they won't, they'll feel bad. 503 00:20:09,825 --> 00:20:11,985 They won't know what to do. Yeah. Make them look bad. 504 00:20:11,985 --> 00:20:15,025 He said, just make it look like a normal mission two 505 00:20:15,025 --> 00:20:16,265 and a half years from now, will you? 506 00:20:16,405 --> 00:20:18,025 Oh, that's awesome. Anyway, that was the, 507 00:20:18,125 --> 00:20:20,705 - And this really came from that mentorship from Elder hate 508 00:20:20,725 --> 00:20:21,985 of just saying like, you know, 509 00:20:21,985 --> 00:20:23,465 we're gonna do leadership in a way 510 00:20:23,465 --> 00:20:25,265 that's inspiring or that's different. 511 00:20:25,265 --> 00:20:28,225 - Everything, everything he did was to motivate and inspire. 512 00:20:28,245 --> 00:20:29,985 He said, give a kid a calling 513 00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:32,025 and then make him understand what that means, 514 00:20:32,025 --> 00:20:33,385 what he is gotta do to live up to it. 515 00:20:33,765 --> 00:20:37,305 So we get district leader quick, you know, senior companion, 516 00:20:37,585 --> 00:20:39,825 district leader, zone leader, you know, regional rep, 517 00:20:40,475 --> 00:20:41,625 young mission president. 518 00:20:42,185 --> 00:20:44,625 I mean, you know, and our mission, we had two, 519 00:20:44,925 --> 00:20:47,065 so we had 24 aps every year. 520 00:20:47,865 --> 00:20:52,085 And so over 70 of our missionaries, the Rick McGees 521 00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:54,965 and the Doug Nielsen's of Life were all assistants. 522 00:20:55,475 --> 00:20:56,725 It's 72 of 'em that 523 00:20:56,725 --> 00:20:59,085 otherwise they would've been probably eight 524 00:20:59,085 --> 00:21:00,085 or 10 in the three years. 525 00:21:00,085 --> 00:21:02,205 Mm-Hmm. Yeah. And because David Haight said, 526 00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:06,565 give a kid a position, tell what it means to live up to it, 527 00:21:06,585 --> 00:21:08,205 and then they'll rise to the occasion. 528 00:21:08,205 --> 00:21:09,765 They'll become a leader. Yeah. 529 00:21:09,795 --> 00:21:11,725 - Yeah. And this, this dynamic's interesting. Yeah. 530 00:21:11,805 --> 00:21:12,965 I even see it, you know, 531 00:21:12,965 --> 00:21:14,765 recording this the day after conference. 532 00:21:14,785 --> 00:21:17,685 And elder Karen, he mentions that when you're called 533 00:21:17,685 --> 00:21:19,565 to these positions, you sort of step back 534 00:21:19,565 --> 00:21:20,725 and reassess who you are. 535 00:21:20,875 --> 00:21:22,485 Yeah. And that's the power of leadership. 536 00:21:22,505 --> 00:21:25,085 And so, you know, obviously there's only 12 spots 537 00:21:25,105 --> 00:21:28,165 for apostles, but we can still have these dynamics happen 538 00:21:28,225 --> 00:21:30,245 as we invite people into leadership roles 539 00:21:30,305 --> 00:21:32,165 by giving 'em a title of responsibility. 540 00:21:32,305 --> 00:21:33,365 And then they, they find 541 00:21:33,445 --> 00:21:34,565 a different part of them, but their soul. 542 00:21:34,735 --> 00:21:37,045 - Think about that. Think about the fact that I, I mean, 543 00:21:37,205 --> 00:21:39,525 I was a real, as a bishop for only three years 544 00:21:39,525 --> 00:21:43,325 before David Haight suggested that I leave Hebrew 545 00:21:43,385 --> 00:21:45,725 and get out of town and go , build a, 546 00:21:45,725 --> 00:21:46,765 build a church somewhere. 547 00:21:47,205 --> 00:21:50,685 I had 26 businesses at the time, and Bishop in the ward 548 00:21:50,685 --> 00:21:52,205 and the Chamber of Commerce president. 549 00:21:52,265 --> 00:21:54,725 And, and I went to see him and I said, you, 550 00:21:54,865 --> 00:21:56,845 and then I, I remembered giving back, 551 00:21:56,845 --> 00:21:58,805 helping building the kingdom, helping others. 552 00:21:58,825 --> 00:22:00,805 And, and I went to see him 553 00:22:00,825 --> 00:22:03,285 and I said, you know, I've got this urge to volunteer 554 00:22:03,285 --> 00:22:04,405 to be a seminary teacher 555 00:22:04,545 --> 00:22:06,885 and get outta take my kids on a mission. 556 00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:09,965 I had seven kids at the time said, we, I'd like to, 557 00:22:10,005 --> 00:22:12,565 I got all these businesses on and I'm a bishop and so on. 558 00:22:12,565 --> 00:22:14,205 And he said, remember the formula? 559 00:22:14,825 --> 00:22:16,725 And I said, yes, that's why we're thinking about it. 560 00:22:16,745 --> 00:22:20,005 He says, follow your impression, follow your spirit. 561 00:22:20,065 --> 00:22:23,125 And so we volunteered to go teach the seminary 562 00:22:23,225 --> 00:22:25,685 to be a seminary teacher somewhere outta Utah. 563 00:22:26,265 --> 00:22:28,245 And they didn't have a, a program then. 564 00:22:28,245 --> 00:22:30,525 They didn't have a volunteer program for CES. 565 00:22:30,665 --> 00:22:31,645 - So like stakes weren't 566 00:22:31,645 --> 00:22:33,085 calling seminary teachers back then. 567 00:22:33,225 --> 00:22:34,965 - So anyway, they had to hire me. 568 00:22:35,085 --> 00:22:36,405 I had to get hired and, 569 00:22:36,825 --> 00:22:39,605 and I, so I had to go through this training program 570 00:22:39,865 --> 00:22:42,085 and luckily I had my bachelor's degree. 571 00:22:42,205 --> 00:22:43,765 I had to have a bachelor's degree at least. 572 00:22:43,785 --> 00:22:45,965 And, and then they, they hired me to go 573 00:22:45,965 --> 00:22:47,405 to California and take my kids. 574 00:22:47,485 --> 00:22:48,885 I said, I'm only going for nine months. 575 00:22:49,045 --> 00:22:51,165 I can't, this is just a mini mission to me. 576 00:22:51,585 --> 00:22:53,045 So I don't care about the money at all, 577 00:22:53,145 --> 00:22:56,045 and I gotta get back to my business stuff and so on. 578 00:22:56,045 --> 00:22:59,085 And they said, well, okay, but we'll send you to California. 579 00:22:59,185 --> 00:23:02,205 So I got opened the first day seminary program in California 580 00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:03,725 with my seven kids. 581 00:23:04,025 --> 00:23:06,045 We liked it so much, we stayed for another year. 582 00:23:06,625 --> 00:23:08,365 And then by that time I stayed president 583 00:23:08,825 --> 00:23:10,685 and then we stayed down for another five years. 584 00:23:10,785 --> 00:23:13,925 And then David Hay, I'm sure intervened at that point 585 00:23:13,995 --> 00:23:15,765 because I'd only bishop for three 586 00:23:15,765 --> 00:23:18,725 and state president for five, which is usually five and 10. 587 00:23:19,385 --> 00:23:21,605 And then we're called as mission president to go back 588 00:23:21,605 --> 00:23:22,805 to Virginia at that point. 589 00:23:22,825 --> 00:23:24,845 So we're in Simi Valley for eight years on 590 00:23:24,845 --> 00:23:26,205 that, that mini mission. 591 00:23:26,265 --> 00:23:28,725 It was gonna be nine months spending full time 592 00:23:28,745 --> 00:23:30,645 as state president and institute director 593 00:23:31,075 --> 00:23:32,565 that build an institute program. 594 00:23:32,705 --> 00:23:34,605 We had two kids start at Moore Park 595 00:23:34,605 --> 00:23:36,605 and an old farmhouse ended up 596 00:23:36,605 --> 00:23:38,845 with 350 kids at that institute. 597 00:23:38,845 --> 00:23:42,725 Biggest in the church outside of Utah and an old farmhouse. 598 00:23:42,865 --> 00:23:46,125 And, and because of that, I, I'm just, I'm adding on 599 00:23:46,125 --> 00:23:47,885 to this forever, but because of 600 00:23:47,885 --> 00:23:51,405 that 350 kids in an old farmhouse, the commissioner 601 00:23:51,405 --> 00:23:54,325 of education heard about it in Salt Lake. 602 00:23:54,325 --> 00:23:56,325 And he flew to set to California to come 603 00:23:56,325 --> 00:23:58,085 and see if it really was happy. 604 00:23:58,085 --> 00:24:01,845 And this old farmhouse, 350 kids, and, and he come out 605 00:24:01,845 --> 00:24:03,445 and spoke at the devotional and, 606 00:24:03,985 --> 00:24:05,925 and his name was Stan Peterson. 607 00:24:06,545 --> 00:24:09,205 And he later, a few years later 608 00:24:09,735 --> 00:24:11,205 ended up calling me on the phone 609 00:24:11,705 --> 00:24:15,525 and saying, we just had a, our area director for CES 610 00:24:15,545 --> 00:24:18,805 who just called into the, the rum of, of 70 in Africa. 611 00:24:19,295 --> 00:24:20,925 Would you go to Africa for us? 612 00:24:21,025 --> 00:24:22,365 And for a short period of time 613 00:24:22,465 --> 00:24:23,965 and, you know, one to three years 614 00:24:24,065 --> 00:24:25,285 and be the area director, 615 00:24:25,345 --> 00:24:27,645 the only non-paid area director in the church. 616 00:24:27,745 --> 00:24:29,365 And I went and told my wife, 617 00:24:29,525 --> 00:24:30,925 I just got invited to go to Africa. 618 00:24:31,705 --> 00:24:35,325 She , she was, oh, you know, she couldn't believe it. 619 00:24:35,365 --> 00:24:37,325 I mean, she had the visualization of the pi the, 620 00:24:37,705 --> 00:24:39,765 the chemistry, you know, on the fire underneath 621 00:24:39,825 --> 00:24:42,525 and the natives around going around the outside . 622 00:24:42,745 --> 00:24:46,285 And so it was, but we went, but it was Stan Peterson. 623 00:24:46,665 --> 00:24:48,165 Had we not been to California 624 00:24:48,825 --> 00:24:50,245 and helped build that institute, 625 00:24:51,125 --> 00:24:53,365 Stan Peterson never would've come and find out who we were. 626 00:24:53,385 --> 00:24:54,925 Mm-Hmm. . And because that we got to go 627 00:24:54,925 --> 00:24:57,565 to Africa and then Africa to West Africa as the 628 00:24:58,125 --> 00:25:01,805 MTC President, then from there to BYU Hawaii as a 629 00:25:02,485 --> 00:25:05,125 entrepreneurship director for three years in, in Hawaii. 630 00:25:05,625 --> 00:25:07,365 And then the young adult leader in 631 00:25:07,365 --> 00:25:08,765 Washington DC South Mission. 632 00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:10,805 So several of our missions, 633 00:25:11,465 --> 00:25:13,085 the New Zealand for two years as well. 634 00:25:13,085 --> 00:25:14,965 In between that, that were all 635 00:25:14,965 --> 00:25:18,485 because of, you know, Marion tree and the high priest 636 00:25:18,545 --> 00:25:19,805 and the priest Corps advisor. 637 00:25:19,945 --> 00:25:22,565 And, and then the patriarch given that blessing. 638 00:25:22,625 --> 00:25:25,645 And, and now Stan Peterson, the commissioner of education, 639 00:25:26,265 --> 00:25:29,285 any one of those without having would have not met him, 640 00:25:29,285 --> 00:25:30,885 that would've changed our whole life. 641 00:25:31,015 --> 00:25:32,405 Right. Yeah. And it all happened 642 00:25:32,405 --> 00:25:35,045 because the David Haight said, you know, give back, 643 00:25:35,135 --> 00:25:36,845 serve others, build the kingdom, you 644 00:25:36,845 --> 00:25:37,845 - Know. 645 00:25:37,845 --> 00:25:39,405 Yeah. That's powerful. And all this, uh, the sort of a, 646 00:25:40,405 --> 00:25:43,165 a core principle I'm recognizing is this is mentorship. 647 00:25:43,315 --> 00:25:46,085 Yeah. And I've talked to some of your missionaries that I'm, 648 00:25:46,085 --> 00:25:48,165 I'm good friends with, and they could come back to this, 649 00:25:48,165 --> 00:25:49,845 that they see you as a great mentor. 650 00:25:50,025 --> 00:25:52,005 So if there's church leaders out there striving 651 00:25:52,065 --> 00:25:54,565 to be a better mentor, like 652 00:25:54,565 --> 00:25:56,445 what advice would you give them to do that effectively? 653 00:25:56,445 --> 00:25:58,525 - Well, I'd, I'd have em start with Moses, you know, 654 00:25:59,265 --> 00:26:02,765 but Moses was an 80-year-old man herding sheep in sand. 655 00:26:02,765 --> 00:26:05,365 Pete County. I use that as a joke, , 656 00:26:05,365 --> 00:26:06,565 because I dunno where he was, but I 657 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:07,685 just got back from sand. Pete County 658 00:26:07,685 --> 00:26:08,685 - Would've probably looked like that, right? 659 00:26:08,825 --> 00:26:12,245 - It looked like that. But he was th he was jet throws his 660 00:26:12,245 --> 00:26:15,605 father-in-law jet throws sheep herder for the last 30 years. 661 00:26:16,425 --> 00:26:20,965 But finally, for some reason, at age, my age, he, 662 00:26:20,965 --> 00:26:23,245 he went up the mountain, made the trek up the mountain, 663 00:26:23,245 --> 00:26:24,885 difficult trek for an old man. 664 00:26:25,385 --> 00:26:27,765 And when he did, God waited for him to come. 665 00:26:28,225 --> 00:26:29,765 He could have done this 30 years before, 666 00:26:30,385 --> 00:26:33,405 but he waited for Moses to make the decision that he wanted 667 00:26:33,405 --> 00:26:36,125 to find out more and come to the mountain, come 668 00:26:36,125 --> 00:26:37,485 to Scotland, or come to the mountain. 669 00:26:37,945 --> 00:26:41,405 And when he did, then God says, okay, welcome Moses. 670 00:26:41,545 --> 00:26:43,600 Sit down a minute. I gotta show you a of home video. 671 00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:45,925 And they sit down and watch his home video 672 00:26:46,545 --> 00:26:47,765 of the creation story. 673 00:26:48,225 --> 00:26:51,685 And all time they're watching it together, Moses is saying, 674 00:26:51,685 --> 00:26:53,005 wonder why he's showing me this video. 675 00:26:53,105 --> 00:26:54,845 You know, is he trying to impress me with 676 00:26:55,075 --> 00:26:56,165 what he's done with his life? 677 00:26:56,265 --> 00:26:57,925 And of course, that's insanity. 678 00:26:57,925 --> 00:27:01,405 And, and, uh, and so finally he recognizes the fact 679 00:27:01,485 --> 00:27:04,725 that he's standing next to God watching a video of 680 00:27:04,725 --> 00:27:05,965 what he's done in his life. 681 00:27:06,665 --> 00:27:09,365 And then finally it dawns on him, he's standing to, to me, 682 00:27:09,365 --> 00:27:11,165 Moses, Moses, you know, 683 00:27:11,505 --> 00:27:13,325 you can do more than being a sheep birder. 684 00:27:13,705 --> 00:27:16,325 You know, you've done a, a waited 30 years for you to come. 685 00:27:17,165 --> 00:27:19,045 'cause you have incredible opportunity. 686 00:27:19,285 --> 00:27:22,205 'cause I made you to be like me. I'm your mentor. 687 00:27:22,525 --> 00:27:26,245 I, I'm now, would you use what you want know you have 688 00:27:26,945 --> 00:27:28,085 and go do something with it? 689 00:27:28,545 --> 00:27:31,005 And he comes off the mountain saying, comes right after him 690 00:27:31,005 --> 00:27:32,005 because he says he Mm-Hmm. 691 00:27:32,045 --> 00:27:33,685 , he didn't wanna have Moses realize 692 00:27:33,685 --> 00:27:36,165 that he was a leader and he wanted to be a sheep. 693 00:27:36,165 --> 00:27:39,965 Her. And, and, uh, and finally in invoices seven times said 694 00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:41,685 to him, I get outta my life now. 695 00:27:41,685 --> 00:27:42,805 I don't want you anymore. I, 696 00:27:43,115 --> 00:27:45,445 he's okay yesterday I didn't understand all this, 697 00:27:45,465 --> 00:27:46,725 but now I know who I am. 698 00:27:47,425 --> 00:27:49,605 And then when he finally gets through the rid of Satan 699 00:27:49,605 --> 00:27:52,125 and Satan departs, then God comes back to him 700 00:27:52,125 --> 00:27:53,725 and says, now I know I can use you. 701 00:27:54,515 --> 00:27:56,005 He'd been tested, you've been tried. 702 00:27:56,025 --> 00:27:59,285 And now you've said, okay, now go to Egypt. Mm-Hmm. 703 00:27:59,505 --> 00:28:01,765 Go to Scotland. Go to Simi Valley. 704 00:28:02,345 --> 00:28:05,005 Go to Washington dc go to New Zealand. Go to Hawaii. 705 00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:08,485 Go to go to California. You know, 'cause Right. 706 00:28:08,505 --> 00:28:10,005 The Lord can use you somewhere. 707 00:28:10,105 --> 00:28:13,645 He just develop your strengths and all you can and go try. 708 00:28:14,385 --> 00:28:16,965 And he'll help you fill up that role and position 709 00:28:17,025 --> 00:28:19,685 and you'll discover the, the joy 710 00:28:20,425 --> 00:28:22,205 of mentorship and leadership. 711 00:28:22,825 --> 00:28:25,085 And in fact, I'll go back to kind of where I started. 712 00:28:25,285 --> 00:28:28,765 I, I kind of pushed the church a little to say, 713 00:28:29,065 --> 00:28:30,525 why don't you call bishops at three 714 00:28:30,525 --> 00:28:31,725 years and instead of five? 715 00:28:31,785 --> 00:28:34,805 And and my point was, I got a few of, 716 00:28:34,805 --> 00:28:37,445 when our state president, I got a few early calls and 717 00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:41,285 because I saw so many people in every one of those wards 718 00:28:41,855 --> 00:28:44,165 whose family and person would've thrived 719 00:28:44,165 --> 00:28:47,045 and excelled if they'd had the chance to be a bishop. 720 00:28:47,065 --> 00:28:49,045 Mm-Hmm. . And so I was really pushing 721 00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:51,645 for three year bishops and five year state presidents. 722 00:28:52,245 --> 00:28:54,325 'cause I said, man, there's so many people 723 00:28:54,475 --> 00:28:56,045 that they thrive when they, 724 00:28:56,045 --> 00:28:57,885 they grow when the opportunity comes. 725 00:28:58,305 --> 00:28:59,525 And you don't need to be a bishop 726 00:28:59,585 --> 00:29:01,205 and a state president to serve. 727 00:29:01,305 --> 00:29:04,605 You know, there's mentorship in this, you know, 728 00:29:05,235 --> 00:29:07,645 what do they call it when you go fellowship in the Mm-Hmm. 729 00:29:07,685 --> 00:29:09,365 Ministry. Ministry. Ministry. 730 00:29:10,585 --> 00:29:12,005 So you can, you can be a bishop 731 00:29:12,625 --> 00:29:14,765 as a junior companion in the church as, 732 00:29:14,795 --> 00:29:17,205 because you just can go out and help people minister 733 00:29:17,205 --> 00:29:19,845 and lift people, save, save lives and lift people's lives. 734 00:29:20,425 --> 00:29:24,205 But it's also really a thrill when you get a chance 735 00:29:24,225 --> 00:29:27,565 to take your family through a bishop brick role and the, 736 00:29:27,625 --> 00:29:30,085 and a high council role in the state president role, 737 00:29:30,085 --> 00:29:31,285 or counselor, whatever. 738 00:29:31,475 --> 00:29:34,525 Yeah. Mission president, we MTC president man, 739 00:29:34,555 --> 00:29:36,365 what a great experience that was in Ghana. 740 00:29:36,965 --> 00:29:40,045 I mean, every one of those were just David Haight called up 741 00:29:40,045 --> 00:29:42,965 opportunities that, that changed our life. Yeah. 742 00:29:43,425 --> 00:29:46,245 - So to take me back to, you come up from your mission, you, 743 00:29:46,245 --> 00:29:48,805 you sort of get, you spent your time as an entrepreneur. 744 00:29:48,805 --> 00:29:49,885 Is that safe to say? 745 00:29:49,885 --> 00:29:51,645 - Yeah. I, uh, I come up with my mission. 746 00:29:51,885 --> 00:29:54,725 I I went to, I went to BYU now 747 00:29:54,725 --> 00:29:57,285 that I could joined the church since I, then I sort go 748 00:29:57,285 --> 00:30:01,245 to BYU and I tell this story, it's didn't happen this way, 749 00:30:01,305 --> 00:30:03,325 but my is a story by tale. 750 00:30:03,525 --> 00:30:06,285 I realized that I had the formula and, 751 00:30:06,665 --> 00:30:07,965 and I wanted to get onto life. 752 00:30:07,985 --> 00:30:10,565 And so I, I needed a woman to do that and a wife. 753 00:30:10,705 --> 00:30:12,285 And so I said, I goes, 754 00:30:12,445 --> 00:30:14,165 I started knocking on girls' dorm doors 755 00:30:14,185 --> 00:30:16,445 and there's always the bin to every door. 756 00:30:16,445 --> 00:30:18,405 There was six to eight beautiful women there. 757 00:30:18,405 --> 00:30:20,125 And, and then they'd open the door 758 00:30:20,125 --> 00:30:22,005 and I'd say, hi, my name is Jim Ritchie 759 00:30:22,005 --> 00:30:23,445 and I'm from Hebrew City and, 760 00:30:23,905 --> 00:30:26,765 and, uh, I need a woman . 761 00:30:27,105 --> 00:30:29,085 And they'd, they'd look at me and they'd say, why? 762 00:30:29,465 --> 00:30:30,685 Why would we wanna date you? 763 00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:32,605 You know, you're, you're not very handsome. 764 00:30:33,025 --> 00:30:37,205 You got a bad leg used to stutter chicken farmer's, kid. 765 00:30:37,735 --> 00:30:39,605 Why'd we date you? And I said, you know, that hurts. 766 00:30:39,635 --> 00:30:42,245 That really hurts you say that, but they're all true. 767 00:30:42,705 --> 00:30:44,205 But I said, you know what? 768 00:30:44,505 --> 00:30:46,525 But I have the formula , 769 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:48,085 and I'm gonna make it in life Uhhuh, 770 00:30:48,085 --> 00:30:50,325 because I've been promised by a future apostle 771 00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:53,965 that if I'll live these six steps, I'll be successful. 772 00:30:54,225 --> 00:30:55,885 But I need a woman to help me do that. 773 00:30:56,025 --> 00:30:57,725 Now that didn't happen that way. 774 00:30:57,725 --> 00:30:59,565 And my wife hates the story . 775 00:30:59,785 --> 00:31:03,005 But, but, uh, but we finally found this beautiful 776 00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:04,125 Dixie chick from St. 777 00:31:04,125 --> 00:31:06,445 George. It was, it was, uh, Dixie queen, 778 00:31:06,505 --> 00:31:08,325 and she was in ward. 779 00:31:08,345 --> 00:31:10,005 And and I, we started dating 780 00:31:10,065 --> 00:31:11,845 and got gays and married and mm-hmm. 781 00:31:11,885 --> 00:31:14,485 eight kids later and 41 grandkids, 782 00:31:14,505 --> 00:31:17,725 and 21 great grandkids, and 90 of us now in the family. 783 00:31:17,865 --> 00:31:19,325 And, and right now all 784 00:31:19,325 --> 00:31:22,365 but one, one adopted granddaughter, 785 00:31:23,335 --> 00:31:24,885 she's not doing well in the church, 786 00:31:24,945 --> 00:31:27,365 but everybody else is, all 90 787 00:31:27,365 --> 00:31:31,085 of us will be in church every week of some sort two 788 00:31:31,085 --> 00:31:33,285 or three that are struggling a little bit with life. 789 00:31:33,345 --> 00:31:35,325 But, uh, but they're still going to church 790 00:31:35,345 --> 00:31:36,965 and they're gonna make it, they're gonna be okay. 791 00:31:36,965 --> 00:31:39,685 Mm-Hmm. . And it's, uh, so I came home 792 00:31:39,705 --> 00:31:42,805 and then we graduate from BYU, the two of us. 793 00:31:43,225 --> 00:31:46,165 And then we go start law school, which didn't work out. 794 00:31:46,325 --> 00:31:49,765 I, I spent a year in, did a u and graduate school. 795 00:31:50,465 --> 00:31:52,165 But we dropped out of there 796 00:31:52,185 --> 00:31:53,965 and went back to start taught school 797 00:31:53,965 --> 00:31:56,045 for a year in high school, high Wasatch High, 798 00:31:56,255 --> 00:31:59,605 while I built my first business, I built, got an SBA loan 799 00:31:59,625 --> 00:32:02,085 and built a modern feed mill in Hebrew Valley. 800 00:32:02,145 --> 00:32:03,605 And from there we went on. 801 00:32:03,605 --> 00:32:05,365 From there I ended up with a Chevrolet dealership 802 00:32:05,365 --> 00:32:08,045 and several restaurants and motels from St. 803 00:32:08,045 --> 00:32:09,485 George to Rexburg. Mm-Hmm. 804 00:32:09,785 --> 00:32:11,765 And we ended up with 26 businesses. 805 00:32:12,025 --> 00:32:15,685 And then that's when, at age 35, we got the urge to say, 806 00:32:15,695 --> 00:32:18,245 let's go take these kids on a mini mission. That's 807 00:32:18,245 --> 00:32:19,245 - Cool. 808 00:32:19,245 --> 00:32:20,885 Now, this role as Bishop, during that time, was 809 00:32:20,885 --> 00:32:23,205 that really your first like, 810 00:32:23,205 --> 00:32:24,565 formal leadership role since 811 00:32:24,565 --> 00:32:25,645 your mission? Yeah. I, I, yeah. 812 00:32:25,645 --> 00:32:28,205 - After my mission, I was, I was called to be, 813 00:32:28,645 --> 00:32:31,205 I was the first stake executive secretary in the church. 814 00:32:31,405 --> 00:32:32,885 I think they, they come out 815 00:32:32,885 --> 00:32:34,245 with stake executive secretaries. 816 00:32:34,305 --> 00:32:36,885 And Harold Call was the stake president. 817 00:32:36,945 --> 00:32:38,565 And he called me to be the first, 818 00:32:39,105 --> 00:32:40,365 he didn't know how to use me. 819 00:32:40,485 --> 00:32:42,925 I didn't know how to use me. We, we learned together how 820 00:32:42,925 --> 00:32:44,245 to be an executive secretary. 821 00:32:44,345 --> 00:32:45,765 And I was there for a year. 822 00:32:45,785 --> 00:32:49,525 And then Bishop Besendorfer was the bishop on my ward. 823 00:32:49,525 --> 00:32:50,845 He called me to be a counselor. 824 00:32:51,465 --> 00:32:54,125 And I was in, so I was a counselor to Bishop Besendorfer 825 00:32:54,125 --> 00:32:55,165 and then for two years, 826 00:32:55,265 --> 00:32:57,845 and then he could builded a home in Charleston 827 00:32:57,845 --> 00:32:59,085 where his hometown was. 828 00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:01,845 And, and we knew he was gonna, he was gonna move that week 829 00:33:01,845 --> 00:33:02,965 and we're gonna be released. 830 00:33:03,065 --> 00:33:05,765 And I got called to Glen to see the state president. 831 00:33:05,785 --> 00:33:08,445 Now, this is a prideful story, , I, 832 00:33:08,465 --> 00:33:10,085 uh, he get called to go. 833 00:33:10,225 --> 00:33:13,125 I'm, I'm the counselor. I got all these Chevrolet dealership 834 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:14,165 and I'm a businessman. 835 00:33:14,185 --> 00:33:16,765 And I'm only 26 or seven years old. 836 00:33:16,765 --> 00:33:18,805 And I'm quite thinking I'm quite cool. 837 00:33:18,905 --> 00:33:22,205 And, and I, uh, and so I assumed to bring my wife 838 00:33:22,225 --> 00:33:23,445 and put my best suit on. 839 00:33:23,465 --> 00:33:26,365 And so I'm assuming I'm gonna be called to be the bishop 840 00:33:26,465 --> 00:33:28,085 to replace Bishop Best Norford. 841 00:33:28,505 --> 00:33:30,725 So I go in and meet with the state president, Bob Quiet. 842 00:33:30,745 --> 00:33:32,725 And, and he, uh, he says, 843 00:33:32,725 --> 00:33:34,805 we're gonna be releasing you guys this weekend. 844 00:33:34,985 --> 00:33:38,165 And, and I, I remember humbly shaking my head 845 00:33:38,165 --> 00:33:40,005 and saying, well, it's gonna be hard 846 00:33:40,005 --> 00:33:41,885 to replace Bishop Bestor for you. 847 00:33:42,355 --> 00:33:44,525 He's a great, and it's gonna, it's gonna be really hard 848 00:33:44,525 --> 00:33:45,525 to do that . 849 00:33:45,705 --> 00:33:46,965 He says, yes. He said, 850 00:33:47,425 --> 00:33:48,565 and the the Lord has called 851 00:33:48,565 --> 00:33:50,005 Harvey Horner to be the new bishop. 852 00:33:50,835 --> 00:33:52,685 He's asked that you be a counselor. 853 00:33:53,125 --> 00:33:54,525 and I, 854 00:33:54,865 --> 00:33:57,325 and Harvey's younger than I was and their school teacher. 855 00:33:57,465 --> 00:33:59,485 And I, and I thought, you know what? 856 00:33:59,905 --> 00:34:02,045 How can he be wrong on this school, you know, . 857 00:34:02,105 --> 00:34:04,325 Anyway, so I, I served with Harvey 858 00:34:04,865 --> 00:34:06,725 and it takes me a while to really catch on. 859 00:34:06,885 --> 00:34:08,965 'cause I'm looking for the reasons why he was 860 00:34:08,965 --> 00:34:10,365 called, and I was supposed to be. 861 00:34:10,545 --> 00:34:13,485 And, and finally one night, in the middle of the night, 862 00:34:13,565 --> 00:34:16,445 I got a one Saturday night, I got a, a dream as vivid 863 00:34:16,545 --> 00:34:18,765 as can be that, and it just said that, 864 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,485 that Jim Harvey Horner's not on trial. 865 00:34:21,555 --> 00:34:23,525 Here you are. Hmm. 866 00:34:23,905 --> 00:34:25,485 And, uh, the next day I went to Harvey 867 00:34:25,545 --> 00:34:28,165 and told him, I said, I've been kind of a mediocre counselor 868 00:34:28,225 --> 00:34:31,845 and I, but I think I can be a good one if you, you ought 869 00:34:31,845 --> 00:34:33,285 to can me, but if you don't, 870 00:34:33,885 --> 00:34:35,445 I think I can be a good counselor. 871 00:34:35,445 --> 00:34:37,685 And so I, I finished off another year, 872 00:34:37,685 --> 00:34:39,525 and then we built a home in Daniels and, 873 00:34:39,905 --> 00:34:41,845 and met the new bishop and we moved there. 874 00:34:41,845 --> 00:34:43,765 And he called me to be a scout master, 875 00:34:43,775 --> 00:34:46,925 which was the furthest thing from my mind is a scout master. 876 00:34:47,105 --> 00:34:48,685 I'm not an outdoor guy at all. 877 00:34:48,785 --> 00:34:51,005 And, but I did it five months 878 00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:52,245 later I was called to be the bishop. 879 00:34:52,605 --> 00:34:55,965 Hmm. So I, I, uh, I know if I'd have failed as 880 00:34:55,965 --> 00:34:57,685 that counselor for Harvey Horner 881 00:34:57,685 --> 00:34:59,845 or if I'd have failed as that scoutmaster Yeah. 882 00:35:00,025 --> 00:35:01,845 My whole life would've been different. Interesting. 883 00:35:01,905 --> 00:35:03,845 You know? Yeah. The Bishop then turned into the state 884 00:35:03,845 --> 00:35:07,005 president and several regions and jobs in California 885 00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:09,925 and then, and then mission president and so on. So, yeah. 886 00:35:10,225 --> 00:35:11,645 - So if you go back in time 887 00:35:11,645 --> 00:35:14,045 and mentor yourself during those early leadership years 888 00:35:14,065 --> 00:35:16,325 as a, as a young bishop, I mean, what what comes to mind? 889 00:35:16,745 --> 00:35:20,245 - You know, it, it's, uh, it is being a David Haight what, 890 00:35:20,245 --> 00:35:21,325 trying to be a David Haight 891 00:35:21,325 --> 00:35:24,645 and trying to follow his footsteps and trying to touch lives 892 00:35:24,785 --> 00:35:28,045 and, and realize that, you know, in Scotland, 893 00:35:28,275 --> 00:35:30,405 I'll tell you one quick story and I'll tell you how it fit. 894 00:35:30,745 --> 00:35:33,805 He decided to have a, what he called a feat of Faith, 895 00:35:34,485 --> 00:35:36,925 a 40 day program where he wanted the missionaries to, 896 00:35:37,345 --> 00:35:38,405 to live perfect lives. 897 00:35:38,545 --> 00:35:39,805 All, all of us for Perfect. 898 00:35:39,995 --> 00:35:43,325 Gave us a calendar, told us exactly what to do, six 30 899 00:35:43,745 --> 00:35:45,965 to nine 30 at night, 10 30 at night, 900 00:35:46,545 --> 00:35:48,885 or what to do all day long, what to do, what 901 00:35:48,885 --> 00:35:50,085 to study every day. 902 00:35:50,085 --> 00:35:51,765 Memorizing that scripture on faith. 903 00:35:51,785 --> 00:35:54,565 If thou can't believe all things are 904 00:35:54,885 --> 00:35:56,005 possible to him to believe it. 905 00:35:56,005 --> 00:35:57,045 That was the first deal. 906 00:35:57,465 --> 00:35:59,045 And he said, I promise you something 907 00:35:59,045 --> 00:36:00,845 that we're gonna have a miracle happen in Scotland, 908 00:36:01,585 --> 00:36:03,605 but you gotta be, gotta gotta earn it. 909 00:36:03,705 --> 00:36:05,965 You gotta be, you gotta believe and do it. You gotta do it. 910 00:36:06,265 --> 00:36:07,645 You gotta live this perfect life. 911 00:36:08,185 --> 00:36:09,885 And so we all committed to do it. 912 00:36:09,885 --> 00:36:12,765 And they said, we're gonna send it a letter, a calendar, 913 00:36:12,965 --> 00:36:15,205 a tribute pledge to David Oma Kai, 914 00:36:15,705 --> 00:36:18,645 the church leader on his 91st birthday. 915 00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:22,085 We're gonna baptize at least 182 people two 916 00:36:22,085 --> 00:36:23,125 times his birthday. 917 00:36:23,425 --> 00:36:26,005 And, and if you'd baptize in the six week parade, 918 00:36:26,305 --> 00:36:27,405 you can sign the scroll. 919 00:36:27,695 --> 00:36:30,165 It'll go to Scotland, it'll go to Salt Lake, to David eight, 920 00:36:30,165 --> 00:36:33,565 who's not David, eight to David M. McKay, who's Scottish. 921 00:36:33,905 --> 00:36:36,085 And so we have five weeks of mediocre work. 922 00:36:36,085 --> 00:36:37,725 And why that was just right 923 00:36:37,725 --> 00:36:39,965 after the time they'd cut off the Kitty Dip program. 924 00:36:40,105 --> 00:36:42,085 You couldn't baptize unattached kids anymore. 925 00:36:42,545 --> 00:36:44,805 So the Holy Western European missions had gone 926 00:36:44,855 --> 00:36:46,085 south dramatically. 927 00:36:46,415 --> 00:36:48,965 David Hayes said, we can still baptize just so many people, 928 00:36:49,105 --> 00:36:51,725 but not have to baptize baseball kids. 929 00:36:51,745 --> 00:36:54,325 Mm-Hmm. . And, uh, five weeks was normal. 930 00:36:54,865 --> 00:36:58,245 The last week of that mission, of that 40 day period, 931 00:36:58,985 --> 00:37:01,845 we not only baptized more people than any other mission, 932 00:37:02,505 --> 00:37:04,645 we baptized more people than all the western 933 00:37:05,045 --> 00:37:06,125 European missions combined. 934 00:37:06,425 --> 00:37:09,165 Wow. It was an incredible experience when, 935 00:37:09,165 --> 00:37:12,165 I'll never forget, we all got every mission companion, 936 00:37:12,165 --> 00:37:13,645 but one got to sign the scroll. 937 00:37:13,705 --> 00:37:15,765 And, but I never forgot the fact 938 00:37:15,765 --> 00:37:18,205 that we leaders cause miracles to happen. 939 00:37:18,665 --> 00:37:20,725 You know, leaders cause miracles to happen. 940 00:37:21,225 --> 00:37:23,045 And David Haight showed me how to do that. 941 00:37:23,045 --> 00:37:24,285 And, and so everything I did 942 00:37:24,905 --> 00:37:27,605 and Daniels, we had, we got all the young women leaders 943 00:37:27,625 --> 00:37:29,005 and the young men leaders and, 944 00:37:29,305 --> 00:37:30,925 and we'd only had one kid go 945 00:37:30,925 --> 00:37:33,245 to youth conference a year before we got there. 946 00:37:33,305 --> 00:37:35,885 And we said, let's, let's do something bigger. 947 00:37:35,885 --> 00:37:37,645 And the council got excited 948 00:37:37,665 --> 00:37:39,485 and they said, let's send every kid. 949 00:37:39,485 --> 00:37:41,965 We had 62 kids in our ward to young kids. 950 00:37:42,615 --> 00:37:44,805 Let's next year, let's have everybody go at the youth 951 00:37:44,805 --> 00:37:46,245 conference and let's raise enough 952 00:37:46,245 --> 00:37:47,365 money this winter to do it. 953 00:37:47,905 --> 00:37:49,325 And the young women, the young men 954 00:37:49,345 --> 00:37:50,565 got together and they worked hard. 955 00:37:50,565 --> 00:37:54,605 The Bishop Rick. And, and next year we had 62 kids on the 956 00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:56,845 bus and one got off 957 00:37:57,005 --> 00:37:58,805 'cause her boyfriend came and got her off the bus. 958 00:37:58,865 --> 00:38:03,405 But we, 61, outta 62 went, went from one to 61 and a year. 959 00:38:04,185 --> 00:38:06,685 And the kids called themselves the biggest and the best. 960 00:38:06,685 --> 00:38:08,925 They were from this little rural town of Daniels 961 00:38:09,215 --> 00:38:10,605 where nobody ever exceled. 962 00:38:10,625 --> 00:38:12,845 And all of a sudden we became the biggest mistake. 963 00:38:12,945 --> 00:38:16,085 And, and we go to California and we're state president. 964 00:38:16,145 --> 00:38:17,165 And, and, uh, 965 00:38:17,165 --> 00:38:19,645 after been there a few months, I said to the guy said, what, 966 00:38:19,795 --> 00:38:20,925 what if we did something? 967 00:38:21,035 --> 00:38:23,005 What if we create a Zion in a stake 968 00:38:23,105 --> 00:38:25,605 and uh, what if we did a feed of faith? 969 00:38:25,835 --> 00:38:27,085 They said, what, what are you talking about? 970 00:38:27,205 --> 00:38:29,125 I said, why don't we come up with a calendar 971 00:38:29,745 --> 00:38:31,725 and have all the members give a calendar 972 00:38:31,745 --> 00:38:33,525 and outline their day and what to do 973 00:38:33,525 --> 00:38:36,245 and read the book of Roman out loud as a family in 40 days 974 00:38:36,345 --> 00:38:38,125 and have a mission experience 975 00:38:38,125 --> 00:38:39,645 and temple experience and the whole bit. 976 00:38:39,665 --> 00:38:42,245 And, and, uh, they said, that's a pretty good idea. 977 00:38:42,265 --> 00:38:43,845 And I gave 'em a copy of the calendar. 978 00:38:43,865 --> 00:38:45,725 And, and then I said, you know what guys? 979 00:38:45,845 --> 00:38:47,565 I, they, they thought I was bright and genius. 980 00:38:47,705 --> 00:38:50,685 And I said, we're copying every bit of this. We do. 981 00:38:50,905 --> 00:38:53,525 Didn't do a thing of this myself. And they all liked it. 982 00:38:53,525 --> 00:38:55,965 And we got excited. We started getting awards 983 00:38:56,065 --> 00:38:58,205 to get excited about starting off this program. 984 00:38:58,345 --> 00:38:59,405 We didn't tell 'em what it was. 985 00:38:59,785 --> 00:39:00,885 We said, let's start off 986 00:39:00,885 --> 00:39:03,165 with the temple experience in the LA Temple and, 987 00:39:03,465 --> 00:39:05,125 and then the next night we'll meet y'all 988 00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:06,325 and tell you what we want you to do. 989 00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:08,605 And, and so we built it up for several months. 990 00:39:09,105 --> 00:39:13,685 And the night of the temple nights, November 7th, 1982 991 00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:16,765 or three, I can't remember now, they, uh, started coming 992 00:39:16,785 --> 00:39:17,885 to the temple for the temple. 993 00:39:18,085 --> 00:39:19,325 I called the temple president 994 00:39:19,325 --> 00:39:20,885 and told him, we're gonna have a session. 995 00:39:20,955 --> 00:39:22,245 Come, we wanna have a big deal. 996 00:39:22,245 --> 00:39:23,965 And he said, president, we have steak 997 00:39:23,965 --> 00:39:25,005 temple nights every night. 998 00:39:25,035 --> 00:39:27,485 Just bring your people. Come on down. You know, okay. 999 00:39:28,005 --> 00:39:29,325 I said, yeah, but we're all coming. 1000 00:39:29,345 --> 00:39:31,085 He said, we've heard that before, . 1001 00:39:31,665 --> 00:39:33,765 And uh, so anyway, we, we all started coming. 1002 00:39:33,765 --> 00:39:36,605 We had a chapel session first, and, and they all kept coming 1003 00:39:36,625 --> 00:39:37,885 and kept coming and kept coming. 1004 00:39:38,025 --> 00:39:42,685 And, and before we were through that night, we had 747 1005 00:39:43,275 --> 00:39:45,565 members of our state come to the temple that Wow. 1006 00:39:45,865 --> 00:39:47,405 We were seven the next morning. 1007 00:39:47,465 --> 00:39:48,465 - And which temple is this again? 1008 00:39:48,705 --> 00:39:50,485 - In Los Angeles. la Okay. 1009 00:39:50,825 --> 00:39:52,285 We were three o'clock the next morning 1010 00:39:52,285 --> 00:39:53,485 getting everybody through the temple. 1011 00:39:53,555 --> 00:39:55,565 They, they stayed up all night getting this done. 1012 00:39:56,185 --> 00:39:59,765 But, but it was only 27 people who could have had a re 1013 00:39:59,785 --> 00:40:02,525 who had a recommend, didn't come at 11 wards. 1014 00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:04,285 Mm-Hmm. . And we found out the next day 1015 00:40:04,285 --> 00:40:06,365 that those 27, everyone were even 1016 00:40:06,895 --> 00:40:09,245 dying having babies are deathly ill. 1017 00:40:09,385 --> 00:40:13,525 Not one single person who could, who had a recommended 1018 00:40:13,525 --> 00:40:14,725 and over a hundred people gotta 1019 00:40:15,005 --> 00:40:16,045 recommend to get ready for it. 1020 00:40:16,925 --> 00:40:19,055 Came to the temple that night and to that. 1021 00:40:19,155 --> 00:40:21,455 And they, they still in time, 1022 00:40:21,535 --> 00:40:22,855 I meet anybody was there that night. 1023 00:40:23,895 --> 00:40:26,015 A nice, and we've been gone there for 35 years. 1024 00:40:26,965 --> 00:40:28,815 They talk about that temple night 1025 00:40:28,815 --> 00:40:30,535 of be in the temple in la That's cool. 1026 00:40:30,875 --> 00:40:32,735 And, and, uh, and then, 1027 00:40:32,965 --> 00:40:35,495 then we finished a 40 day program with another temple. 1028 00:40:35,545 --> 00:40:39,415 707 came back. Temple was ready for us the second time. 1029 00:40:39,775 --> 00:40:41,655 , we had 707 Quebec 1030 00:40:41,655 --> 00:40:43,095 and finished that after having read. 1031 00:40:43,235 --> 00:40:45,975 We were gonna create Zion. We were gonna create Zion. 1032 00:40:45,975 --> 00:40:47,615 We didn't get it done. We weren't 1033 00:40:47,615 --> 00:40:49,615 translated, but we came close. 1034 00:40:49,875 --> 00:40:52,655 We came close because we really did have this goal 1035 00:40:53,195 --> 00:40:55,855 of having a David eight Miracle happen in our stake. 1036 00:40:55,995 --> 00:40:59,535 And, and it still today re I still get chicken skin just 1037 00:40:59,535 --> 00:41:02,015 telling the story of what it was like to live in 1038 00:41:02,015 --> 00:41:04,815 that stake when we, we were, people were really trying 1039 00:41:04,875 --> 00:41:07,335 to become a Zion people. Mm-Hmm. . Uh, 1040 00:41:08,035 --> 00:41:10,655 - So, and as a leader, you're rallying them around this, 1041 00:41:10,925 --> 00:41:13,695 this movement really every week of what we're doing. And 1042 00:41:14,195 --> 00:41:16,655 - The three of us go to, we'd go to a ward. 1043 00:41:16,755 --> 00:41:19,055 So we'd go to two or three wards every Sunday. 1044 00:41:19,795 --> 00:41:21,495 The three state presidency members. 1045 00:41:22,165 --> 00:41:24,735 We'd have at least five minutes in every ward and mistake 1046 00:41:25,035 --> 00:41:26,935 before and during a 40 day period 1047 00:41:27,465 --> 00:41:30,215 where we would be talking about creating design stake 1048 00:41:30,275 --> 00:41:32,095 and be the first one since Enoch to, 1049 00:41:32,435 --> 00:41:35,285 and again, we didn't make it Yeah. But we came close 1050 00:41:35,605 --> 00:41:37,085 - or maybe you're the only one they left behind. 1051 00:41:37,085 --> 00:41:40,685 Everybody else was translating No . Now. 1052 00:41:40,685 --> 00:41:43,325 Um, and I'm just curious, like in that dynamic, like 1053 00:41:43,425 --> 00:41:45,005 how do you, was it difficult 1054 00:41:45,005 --> 00:41:47,045 to maybe get your bishops on board with this or 1055 00:41:47,305 --> 00:41:48,685 - It wasn't really, it was interesting. 1056 00:41:48,715 --> 00:41:52,045 They, they were easily excited and motivated. 1057 00:41:52,045 --> 00:41:54,445 Then they got behind it and they were all with it. 1058 00:41:54,825 --> 00:41:56,045 We had 11 awards at the time. 1059 00:41:56,045 --> 00:41:57,925 There were only five right now in Simi Valley. 1060 00:41:58,065 --> 00:42:02,205 The California's had a drain of the members all come to Utah 1061 00:42:02,205 --> 00:42:03,205 and . 1062 00:42:03,205 --> 00:42:04,845 That's right. We had those 11 units 1063 00:42:04,945 --> 00:42:06,885 and they were all really pumped about 1064 00:42:06,885 --> 00:42:07,965 what they were trying to do. 1065 00:42:08,585 --> 00:42:10,565 You know, it's interesting that we, we kind 1066 00:42:10,565 --> 00:42:13,565 of debated why we quite didn't quite finish it off. 1067 00:42:13,565 --> 00:42:15,285 And then one of my counselors 1068 00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:17,285 and I went to this general conference in April 1069 00:42:17,285 --> 00:42:19,045 after we'd done that in November, December. 1070 00:42:19,545 --> 00:42:21,085 And we were still in the very back row 1071 00:42:21,085 --> 00:42:22,205 of the old tabernacle. 1072 00:42:22,545 --> 00:42:23,805 And I discovered that when 1073 00:42:23,805 --> 00:42:27,685 to get President Kimball cool up on that stage a mile away, 1074 00:42:27,995 --> 00:42:29,565 they had to have an air conditioning unit, 1075 00:42:29,565 --> 00:42:31,005 which they didn't have when they built it. 1076 00:42:31,245 --> 00:42:32,645 Hmm. But they know where they put it. 1077 00:42:32,795 --> 00:42:35,885 They put it right back here behind when it comes out 1078 00:42:35,885 --> 00:42:37,285 of the wall right there, Uhhuh. 1079 00:42:37,345 --> 00:42:39,885 And if it comes at 80 miles an hour, they can get 1080 00:42:39,885 --> 00:42:41,205 to the time of President Kimball. 1081 00:42:41,205 --> 00:42:43,205 And we're sitting right in on the back row, right in front 1082 00:42:43,205 --> 00:42:44,565 of it, freezing to death, 1083 00:42:44,925 --> 00:42:46,365 literally believing we're gonna 1084 00:42:46,385 --> 00:42:47,565 die in the spot there. 1085 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:50,285 We were gonna be frozen to death at that air conditioning. 1086 00:42:50,585 --> 00:42:52,725 But it made us, and I remember jokingly saying, 1087 00:42:52,805 --> 00:42:55,245 I wrote notes to my wife and put in my pocket. 1088 00:42:55,345 --> 00:42:57,565 So when they found the body, they'd find my last word 1089 00:42:57,585 --> 00:42:58,965 for about my wife and the kids. 1090 00:42:59,065 --> 00:43:01,285 And, and, uh, but we joke about that. 1091 00:43:01,285 --> 00:43:03,885 But we decided, and then they asked me, 1092 00:43:04,195 --> 00:43:05,525 what did you learn in the conference? 1093 00:43:05,525 --> 00:43:07,125 I said that, I don't know. I have no idea. 1094 00:43:07,165 --> 00:43:08,365 I don't know who spoke . 1095 00:43:08,565 --> 00:43:11,125 I just tried to survive just to live through it. 1096 00:43:12,065 --> 00:43:15,325 But then it got us back to the Zion one heart, 1097 00:43:15,465 --> 00:43:17,925 one mind dwelling in righteousness and no poor. 1098 00:43:18,505 --> 00:43:21,085 We had focused on one heart, one mind dwelling. 1099 00:43:21,085 --> 00:43:23,805 The righteousness for the 40 days had not worked 1100 00:43:23,805 --> 00:43:25,085 on the temporal side. 1101 00:43:25,465 --> 00:43:28,605 And that experience of being freezing to death convince us 1102 00:43:28,605 --> 00:43:31,085 that the temporal side is as important as the other. 1103 00:43:31,085 --> 00:43:34,125 When, when ne did it, he worked on all four mm. 1104 00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:36,645 You know, we'd spent working on all three of 'em . 1105 00:43:36,825 --> 00:43:39,325 So if if we'd had time, we'd have worked the Navajo, 1106 00:43:39,325 --> 00:43:40,485 then were called to go to Virginia. 1107 00:43:40,505 --> 00:43:42,205 So we didn't have time to work on the other. 1108 00:43:42,945 --> 00:43:45,085 But it was just great learning experience. 1109 00:43:45,145 --> 00:43:47,685 So realizing that you gotta take 'em temporally 1110 00:43:47,705 --> 00:43:49,605 and spiritually if we're gonna 1111 00:43:49,605 --> 00:43:50,765 create that Yeah. That place. 1112 00:43:51,105 --> 00:43:52,485 - So were you state president when the call 1113 00:43:52,485 --> 00:43:53,605 came to be a mission president? 1114 00:43:53,635 --> 00:43:55,805 Yeah. And what's the story behind that? Well, I 1115 00:43:55,805 --> 00:43:57,125 - Just, oh, it'd been five years 1116 00:43:57,225 --> 00:44:00,285 and all of a sudden I get a call when family night from 1117 00:44:00,285 --> 00:44:04,125 President Monson, actually we'd been called, we flew to 1118 00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:08,005 Northern California to meet with, uh, with Elder Oaks, 1119 00:44:08,355 --> 00:44:09,365 just in the interview. 1120 00:44:09,745 --> 00:44:11,005 No idea what it was for. Just, 1121 00:44:11,225 --> 00:44:13,045 - And he just happened to be in town or he was 1122 00:44:13,045 --> 00:44:14,045 - In Oakland. 1123 00:44:14,045 --> 00:44:17,205 And we flew from Sea LA to Oakland to meet with him 1124 00:44:17,225 --> 00:44:18,645 as just as for an interview. 1125 00:44:18,985 --> 00:44:21,125 No idea why. He just interviewed us. 1126 00:44:21,465 --> 00:44:24,445 And then two weeks later we got a phone call on a family 1127 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:25,845 night right in the middle 1128 00:44:25,845 --> 00:44:28,245 of Family Lesson from President Monson, which 1129 00:44:28,245 --> 00:44:29,565 - Was outta the ordinary. It was a counselor 1130 00:44:29,825 --> 00:44:31,325 - At the time, a counselor Uhhuh 1131 00:44:31,425 --> 00:44:33,045 and call us to be mission president. 1132 00:44:33,185 --> 00:44:35,165 And so, uh, so we only got 1133 00:44:35,165 --> 00:44:37,525 to spend five years as a state president. Yeah. 1134 00:44:37,785 --> 00:44:39,965 - And, uh, did he have a call your 1135 00:44:40,245 --> 00:44:41,285 location where you were going that point 1136 00:44:41,285 --> 00:44:42,285 - Or No? 1137 00:44:42,285 --> 00:44:42,845 He, he just said it would be English speaking 1138 00:44:42,905 --> 00:44:44,045 and we had know in a few weeks 1139 00:44:44,045 --> 00:44:45,365 where it was gonna be. Were you 1140 00:44:45,365 --> 00:44:46,485 - Praying for Scotland? I 1141 00:44:46,485 --> 00:44:48,485 - Don't know where I was praying for, you know, interesting. 1142 00:44:48,625 --> 00:44:50,005 We had eight kids at the time 1143 00:44:50,145 --> 00:44:51,725 and they're all still, the oldest 1144 00:44:51,775 --> 00:44:53,005 one's a senior in high school. 1145 00:44:53,665 --> 00:44:56,925 And so, uh, that was a complication to the church as well. 1146 00:44:57,205 --> 00:44:59,245 'cause you know, where do you, where do you have a mission 1147 00:44:59,245 --> 00:45:00,445 home that could house 10 people? 1148 00:45:00,615 --> 00:45:02,445 Uhhuh . And so there's only two 1149 00:45:02,445 --> 00:45:03,925 or three missions in church that would've worked. 1150 00:45:03,925 --> 00:45:06,285 Washington DC one of 'em was one, 1151 00:45:06,305 --> 00:45:08,485 and Roanoke was, was the other one. 1152 00:45:08,905 --> 00:45:10,885 And they, we got to go to Roanoke, thankfully. 1153 00:45:10,905 --> 00:45:12,885 And it was just a perfu for us. 1154 00:45:13,065 --> 00:45:16,565 Uh, we had, we created Southern Virginia University 1155 00:45:16,565 --> 00:45:19,525 during the time, just right after we were there and helped. 1156 00:45:19,555 --> 00:45:21,605 Glad Knight was one, the board of trustees of 1157 00:45:21,605 --> 00:45:22,685 that for the first ground. 1158 00:45:22,705 --> 00:45:26,365 And, and, uh, glad Knight developed that. And I got a help. 1159 00:45:26,425 --> 00:45:28,245 And, and we're just a fun time. 1160 00:45:28,305 --> 00:45:30,685 We just had, we had just incredible growth. 1161 00:45:30,785 --> 00:45:33,685 We went from few hundred baptisms to the second 1162 00:45:33,685 --> 00:45:34,965 and third year we had over a 1163 00:45:35,125 --> 00:45:36,325 thousand mm-Hmm. . Uh, 1164 00:45:36,745 --> 00:45:37,965 - And how do you walk into that role? 1165 00:45:37,965 --> 00:45:40,045 Like where do you start, uh, as a mission president? 1166 00:45:40,265 --> 00:45:41,765 - And again, you know, you, you remember 1167 00:45:41,765 --> 00:45:43,285 what David did, you know Mm-Hmm. 1168 00:45:43,325 --> 00:45:44,925 David, what did president ha do? 1169 00:45:44,985 --> 00:45:47,605 How would he do it? And we just started meeting 1170 00:45:47,605 --> 00:45:49,365 with the state presidents every month. 1171 00:45:49,385 --> 00:45:51,605 We met with all nine state presidents every month, 1172 00:45:52,065 --> 00:45:54,125 and the state presidency and the mission leaders. 1173 00:45:54,265 --> 00:45:56,805 And, and we started calling these missionaries into whether 1174 00:45:56,825 --> 00:46:00,405 be as district senior became district leaders working 1175 00:46:00,435 --> 00:46:01,445 with the warden. 1176 00:46:01,705 --> 00:46:02,845 So we just started trying 1177 00:46:02,845 --> 00:46:04,485 to do those leadership things again 1178 00:46:04,485 --> 00:46:06,765 that elder Hay had done and it worked. 1179 00:46:06,785 --> 00:46:08,685 And then meet with the state president every month. 1180 00:46:08,705 --> 00:46:11,525 We lived in Roanoke, which like, like living in St. 1181 00:46:11,525 --> 00:46:13,445 George and your missionaries in Salt Lake, 1182 00:46:13,865 --> 00:46:16,845 our mission was 11 hours across, we go from outer banks 1183 00:46:16,845 --> 00:46:19,125 of North Carolina to, to West Virginia. 1184 00:46:19,425 --> 00:46:20,845 Mm-Hmm. . And so we had a, 1185 00:46:21,005 --> 00:46:22,005 a lodge mission elder. 1186 00:46:22,205 --> 00:46:24,325 There's four missions now in that same area. 1187 00:46:24,945 --> 00:46:27,005 But, but we just started meeting with the leaders 1188 00:46:27,545 --> 00:46:30,165 and meeting, we interviewed every missionary every month, 1189 00:46:30,185 --> 00:46:31,645 had 250 missionaries 1190 00:46:31,745 --> 00:46:34,165 and we had transfers in every month, 1191 00:46:34,225 --> 00:46:35,885 not every six weeks like they are now. 1192 00:46:35,885 --> 00:46:38,725 So we were, we would spend as many nights in a hotel, 1193 00:46:38,965 --> 00:46:41,485 a member's home, as we did in our, in Roanoke, 1194 00:46:41,595 --> 00:46:45,805 leaving eight kids, uh, back in Roanoke with Carolyn's mom 1195 00:46:45,805 --> 00:46:47,005 and dad come out on a mission 1196 00:46:47,025 --> 00:46:48,445 and lived in a mission home with us 1197 00:46:48,545 --> 00:46:49,645 and Mission Office couple. 1198 00:46:49,825 --> 00:46:51,845 And so they were there when we weren't there 1199 00:46:51,845 --> 00:46:53,445 and helping raise those kids. 1200 00:46:53,545 --> 00:46:55,725 And I got the kids close to those parents, 1201 00:46:55,725 --> 00:46:57,725 which they didn't really know her parents very 1202 00:46:57,725 --> 00:46:58,885 well because we lived in Hebrew. 1203 00:46:59,395 --> 00:47:02,045 They lived in St. George. But that was fun. 1204 00:47:02,185 --> 00:47:05,605 And our oldest daughter had graduated from 1205 00:47:05,635 --> 00:47:06,845 high school when we theft. 1206 00:47:06,945 --> 00:47:08,965 She came out, she went to BYU for a year. 1207 00:47:09,505 --> 00:47:10,765 She got a mission call 1208 00:47:10,905 --> 00:47:14,125 and she had the she was asked, do you wanna go be assigned 1209 00:47:14,125 --> 00:47:15,485 to go back to your parents' mission? 1210 00:47:16,125 --> 00:47:18,565 'cause we still had 18 months left of our mission, 1211 00:47:18,665 --> 00:47:20,245 and she's asked to come to our mission. 1212 00:47:20,465 --> 00:47:22,765 Oh, really? Wow. My oldest daughter gotta serve with her. 1213 00:47:22,765 --> 00:47:24,525 And we put her in the worst areas, . 1214 00:47:24,585 --> 00:47:25,965 We didn't want anybody to think we were 1215 00:47:25,965 --> 00:47:27,165 have showing favoritism. 1216 00:47:27,305 --> 00:47:29,525 She became her best missionary. Wow. 1217 00:47:29,695 --> 00:47:31,285 Great, great experience. To what 1218 00:47:31,445 --> 00:47:32,445 - , was that common back then? 1219 00:47:32,445 --> 00:47:34,565 Or, I mean, I guess, was that a common thing? 1220 00:47:34,565 --> 00:47:36,165 But maybe there weren't a lot of mission resident with? 1221 00:47:36,385 --> 00:47:37,805 - I'm not sure about - That. With 21-year-old 1222 00:47:38,445 --> 00:47:39,845 - Daughter and, and she got to go 1223 00:47:40,365 --> 00:47:41,605 a year early besides, you know. 1224 00:47:41,745 --> 00:47:43,845 Oh, okay. Kids being mission presence kid. 1225 00:47:44,305 --> 00:47:47,885 In fact, we had our three oldest were girls in those days. 1226 00:47:48,255 --> 00:47:50,685 Girls, most of 'em didn't go on missions. 1227 00:47:50,685 --> 00:47:52,005 It was kind of odd exception. 1228 00:47:52,005 --> 00:47:53,765 They had to be 21, you know, and the whole bit. 1229 00:47:53,765 --> 00:47:55,525 And, but when we got to Virginia 1230 00:47:55,525 --> 00:47:56,885 and they got to go out every night 1231 00:47:56,885 --> 00:47:58,405 and work with the sister missionaries, 1232 00:47:58,835 --> 00:48:00,205 they all got the spirit of it. 1233 00:48:00,225 --> 00:48:01,845 And of course, Marisa came to serve with us. 1234 00:48:02,685 --> 00:48:05,125 Michelle was with, had she went to BYU 1235 00:48:05,125 --> 00:48:06,605 and then she got to go early too. 1236 00:48:06,625 --> 00:48:07,645 And so she, 1237 00:48:07,645 --> 00:48:10,805 and she, we only had six months left, so she was assigned, 1238 00:48:10,875 --> 00:48:12,085 went to, went to Brazil. 1239 00:48:12,535 --> 00:48:14,165 Wendy had to wait her full term, 1240 00:48:14,265 --> 00:48:16,005 but she was with to, to Spain. 1241 00:48:16,465 --> 00:48:18,285 And then our boys all went on missions. 1242 00:48:18,285 --> 00:48:19,485 And, uh, so it, 1243 00:48:19,725 --> 00:48:22,045 I don't think our girls would've gone had we not had 1244 00:48:22,045 --> 00:48:24,445 that experience of working with the sister missionaries. 1245 00:48:24,545 --> 00:48:26,325 And, and they all became great. Yeah. 1246 00:48:26,325 --> 00:48:28,885 All, all eight of our kids went on missions. It was fun. 1247 00:48:28,995 --> 00:48:31,685 - Yeah. Now, the nature of missions is you have missionaries 1248 00:48:31,685 --> 00:48:32,725 coming and going all the time. 1249 00:48:32,725 --> 00:48:34,725 So as a new missionary came into the mission, 1250 00:48:34,825 --> 00:48:37,085 how do you get them in the culture of the mission so that, 1251 00:48:37,385 --> 00:48:39,445 you know, they don't drag the energetic 1252 00:48:39,445 --> 00:48:40,525 culture behind? Know, 1253 00:48:40,625 --> 00:48:42,765 - We, we, we'd get 'em in, we'd spend a couple 1254 00:48:42,765 --> 00:48:44,125 of days with 'em to start with. 1255 00:48:44,125 --> 00:48:46,165 They'd come, they'd lived right in the mi We had 1256 00:48:46,165 --> 00:48:47,205 a big mission home. 1257 00:48:47,275 --> 00:48:49,925 It's now been sold, made into a hotel. Oh, wow. . 1258 00:48:49,925 --> 00:48:51,685 But, but, but we, we had a, we had room 1259 00:48:51,685 --> 00:48:54,165 to have 25 missionaries besides our family 1260 00:48:54,705 --> 00:48:56,885 and the mission couple living in the mission homes, 1261 00:48:57,105 --> 00:48:58,245 and the office was right there. 1262 00:48:58,245 --> 00:48:59,925 So it was perfect for us. 1263 00:49:00,025 --> 00:49:01,085 - It was like the White House, the 1264 00:49:01,465 --> 00:49:02,725 That's right. You lived there and you worked 1265 00:49:02,725 --> 00:49:03,725 - There. 1266 00:49:03,725 --> 00:49:05,405 Yeah. Our kids got to watch the missionaries, 1267 00:49:05,585 --> 00:49:07,125 our little kids and little Jonathan. 1268 00:49:07,395 --> 00:49:10,485 Some, some weren't even at the school yet, Jonathan, he was, 1269 00:49:10,545 --> 00:49:12,245 he started school in Virginia 1270 00:49:12,825 --> 00:49:15,925 and they were all grade school, high school and missions. 1271 00:49:16,425 --> 00:49:18,205 And so they got to mingle with the missionaries, 1272 00:49:18,225 --> 00:49:19,685 and the assistants were there every day 1273 00:49:20,195 --> 00:49:22,605 till we go on the trips and with them and so on. 1274 00:49:22,625 --> 00:49:25,845 And, and so it would just, the missionaries would come in 1275 00:49:25,845 --> 00:49:27,965 and, and we'd bring in the kids going home 1276 00:49:28,065 --> 00:49:29,645 for their going home time. 1277 00:49:30,035 --> 00:49:32,325 Then we'd bring in the all the zone leaders and, 1278 00:49:32,345 --> 00:49:34,805 and regional mission to assistants 1279 00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:36,565 to have a training session that weekend. 1280 00:49:37,145 --> 00:49:39,645 And then they'd be there to help train the new missionaries. 1281 00:49:39,865 --> 00:49:42,245 So they would, they'd spend two days with, 1282 00:49:42,515 --> 00:49:46,125 with these eight assistants and these 15 zone leaders. 1283 00:49:46,555 --> 00:49:48,205 They were the trainers that got 'em going. 1284 00:49:48,265 --> 00:49:50,085 So they got 'em indoctrinated very quickly. 1285 00:49:50,865 --> 00:49:52,485 And so they moved right into their roles. 1286 00:49:52,625 --> 00:49:55,645 It was the natural for them to, to kinda move into 1287 00:49:55,645 --> 00:49:58,245 that spirit of the, of the Roke Virginia mission. 1288 00:49:58,475 --> 00:50:00,605 Yeah. And then to watch the numbers go up, 1289 00:50:00,605 --> 00:50:01,845 it was really fun to see that. 1290 00:50:01,845 --> 00:50:03,285 Yeah. Dramatically grow up. 1291 00:50:03,825 --> 00:50:06,645 - As far as your wife's role in, in that, 1292 00:50:06,785 --> 00:50:08,565 uh, how did that develop? Or 1293 00:50:08,745 --> 00:50:11,005 - She, she went one weekend served and cooked 1294 00:50:11,005 --> 00:50:12,405 and prepared 400 meals. 1295 00:50:12,465 --> 00:50:15,245 One weekend, adult 1296 00:50:15,305 --> 00:50:18,085 for the senior couple conference zone leaders conference, 1297 00:50:18,385 --> 00:50:20,965 new mission transfers, old missionaries going home. 1298 00:50:21,065 --> 00:50:23,925 So she, when she wasn't on the road with me 1299 00:50:24,585 --> 00:50:26,605 as we were doing the mission tour every month, 1300 00:50:26,865 --> 00:50:28,845 and when she was home, she was, she was 1301 00:50:29,105 --> 00:50:30,445 of course raising eight kids. 1302 00:50:30,575 --> 00:50:34,445 Right. And, uh, still making sure everything, we didn't have 1303 00:50:34,955 --> 00:50:36,605 maid service in those days to day. 1304 00:50:36,825 --> 00:50:38,725 Our daughter in, in Denver, they have, 1305 00:50:39,115 --> 00:50:40,525 they have someone come and do cleaning 1306 00:50:40,625 --> 00:50:43,165 and they have, they have some help with cooking and so on. 1307 00:50:43,585 --> 00:50:44,805 My wife and her mother 1308 00:50:45,585 --> 00:50:48,365 and our children did all of that for all these missionaries. 1309 00:50:48,505 --> 00:50:50,525 And, uh, and she did a great job. 1310 00:50:50,705 --> 00:50:53,285 She was really, really, really good at, uh, yeah. 1311 00:50:53,285 --> 00:50:55,485 Taking everything, making the home still work 1312 00:50:55,545 --> 00:50:57,405 and the family still work. So 1313 00:50:57,515 --> 00:50:59,085 - What, what advice do you have for leaders 1314 00:50:59,145 --> 00:51:00,485 who maybe have younger families 1315 00:51:00,485 --> 00:51:02,525 or they want have a strong mentorship 1316 00:51:02,525 --> 00:51:05,485 or influence on their children while also stepping 1317 00:51:05,505 --> 00:51:06,525 up in the, these roles? 1318 00:51:06,555 --> 00:51:08,285 Like, uh, how do you strike a balance there? Well, 1319 00:51:08,285 --> 00:51:12,045 - You know, it, it is, it just be where you're supposed 1320 00:51:12,045 --> 00:51:13,205 to be, I guess, is the key. 1321 00:51:13,265 --> 00:51:16,405 You know, you, you just show up, be there. 1322 00:51:16,505 --> 00:51:18,885 If you're called to be the, the primary teacher, which I, 1323 00:51:19,275 --> 00:51:21,245 I've never had the chance to be, you know, 1324 00:51:21,315 --> 00:51:23,405 just be the best primary teacher going 1325 00:51:24,065 --> 00:51:26,725 and just love those kids and, and just do it. 1326 00:51:26,885 --> 00:51:28,845 'cause the, the Lord's watching and he's, 1327 00:51:28,845 --> 00:51:31,605 and he is waiting for you to, to step up and say, Hey, 1328 00:51:32,065 --> 00:51:35,685 and then whatever it is, ministering counselors, you know, 1329 00:51:36,195 --> 00:51:37,725 just so many places to serve 1330 00:51:38,305 --> 00:51:40,645 and the joy of what you feel 1331 00:51:41,345 --> 00:51:42,845 it makes you just want to do more. 1332 00:51:43,025 --> 00:51:47,525 Our missions, when we, uh, when we got, we call to, to go 1333 00:51:47,525 --> 00:51:49,485 to New Zealand, our first CES real mission. 1334 00:51:49,585 --> 00:51:52,725 And when we got to go, we got to the Y Cattery University, 1335 00:51:52,725 --> 00:51:55,405 the Ha Hamilton, the W Cattery University. 1336 00:51:55,425 --> 00:51:58,165 The Hillcrest Institute. We had 200 kids. 1337 00:51:58,185 --> 00:52:01,125 It was the, it was the only, the first building built 1338 00:52:01,125 --> 00:52:03,285 as an institute building outside the United States 1339 00:52:03,865 --> 00:52:04,965 in place at the time. 1340 00:52:05,505 --> 00:52:06,525 And we got to go there 1341 00:52:06,585 --> 00:52:08,925 and it was going, Jesse, they had 200 kids 1342 00:52:08,945 --> 00:52:10,045 to go into the institute, 1343 00:52:10,545 --> 00:52:13,205 but you know what we'd learned in California about working 1344 00:52:13,205 --> 00:52:15,365 with the priesthood, having them own the, 1345 00:52:15,365 --> 00:52:16,765 the leadership owned the stuff. 1346 00:52:17,385 --> 00:52:19,205 We, we started doing the same thing. 1347 00:52:19,265 --> 00:52:21,885 We quickly got to the stake presence and ies 1348 00:52:22,465 --> 00:52:24,005 and thought identified. 1349 00:52:24,005 --> 00:52:25,645 We had 2000 young adults 1350 00:52:25,665 --> 00:52:28,125 and they, there was nine to seven stakes, whatever it was. 1351 00:52:28,625 --> 00:52:30,645 And we only had 200 coming institutes. 1352 00:52:30,645 --> 00:52:32,045 So I said, we've got a lot of work to do, 1353 00:52:32,625 --> 00:52:34,365 and we're gonna be here at six three in the morning 1354 00:52:34,365 --> 00:52:35,405 until nine 30 at night, 1355 00:52:35,815 --> 00:52:37,845 which means we can't go and knock on their doors. 1356 00:52:37,865 --> 00:52:38,885 We can't go find them. 1357 00:52:38,945 --> 00:52:42,245 But if you guys want them to institute, want them 1358 00:52:42,245 --> 00:52:44,005 to go on missions and be right in the temple, 1359 00:52:44,605 --> 00:52:46,365 I think we can make that happen if we can 1360 00:52:46,365 --> 00:52:47,445 get 'em in the institute. 1361 00:52:47,945 --> 00:52:49,845 But we can't do it if we don't have 'em there. 1362 00:52:50,345 --> 00:52:52,205 So they all, they got behind us 1363 00:52:52,225 --> 00:52:53,765 and they called the young adult reps 1364 00:52:53,825 --> 00:52:56,765 and senior adult, uh, young adult reps in every award. 1365 00:52:56,785 --> 00:52:58,365 And, and we grew that program 1366 00:52:58,595 --> 00:53:00,565 with their help with our leadership. 1367 00:53:00,985 --> 00:53:03,045 We grew that from 200 to 700 kids. 1368 00:53:03,105 --> 00:53:06,085 We had 700 kids in the institute in Hillcrest 1369 00:53:06,105 --> 00:53:07,485 before we left in two years. 1370 00:53:07,625 --> 00:53:10,405 And, and it was just really fun to watch that happen. 1371 00:53:10,465 --> 00:53:13,245 And I'm sure that's the reason why we got to go to Africa. 1372 00:53:13,805 --> 00:53:15,805 'cause they, the church, Stan Peterson saw 1373 00:53:15,805 --> 00:53:17,605 that happen in Simi Valley 1374 00:53:17,625 --> 00:53:19,525 and then in, in Hillcrest Institute 1375 00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:21,685 and realized that there's a way 1376 00:53:21,685 --> 00:53:23,205 to recruit and build a program. 1377 00:53:23,385 --> 00:53:25,445 And, and it really relies on getting 1378 00:53:25,505 --> 00:53:26,645 the priesthood to own it. 1379 00:53:27,245 --> 00:53:28,905 If you can get the state presidencies 1380 00:53:28,905 --> 00:53:31,385 to own the program, they own the kids. 1381 00:53:31,845 --> 00:53:33,865 And there's always this philosophy, oh, 1382 00:53:33,865 --> 00:53:35,025 you had leave the priesthood alone. 1383 00:53:35,025 --> 00:53:36,105 They got a lot of work to do. 1384 00:53:36,125 --> 00:53:37,785 You know, they run on the youth and all that. 1385 00:53:38,175 --> 00:53:40,625 Well, young adults are their program too, you know, 1386 00:53:40,625 --> 00:53:41,625 they're their youth as well. 1387 00:53:42,245 --> 00:53:44,745 And everywhere we went in Africa, we went to Africa, 1388 00:53:45,435 --> 00:53:47,785 spent two years and doubled everywhere we went. 1389 00:53:47,845 --> 00:53:50,145 The the numbers doubled when we got the priesthood 1390 00:53:50,145 --> 00:53:52,825 to buy the fact that these kids are your kids 1391 00:53:53,365 --> 00:53:56,305 and if you want 'em trained in institute program, you know, 1392 00:53:56,305 --> 00:53:57,305 you gotta deliver 'em. 1393 00:53:57,305 --> 00:53:58,865 And Mm-Hmm. , we think we got the kind 1394 00:53:58,865 --> 00:54:01,905 of teachers that can keep 'em if you can deliver 'em. 1395 00:54:01,985 --> 00:54:03,865 - Yeah. And, and this is, this is a common dynamic 1396 00:54:03,935 --> 00:54:06,785 that comes up, uh, that we get emails about is this concept 1397 00:54:06,925 --> 00:54:08,025 of buy-in and, 1398 00:54:08,085 --> 00:54:10,865 and getting people sort of on the same bus as you Yeah. 1399 00:54:10,865 --> 00:54:12,825 Right. You know, people don't mind leading, 1400 00:54:12,845 --> 00:54:14,185 but it's like, what do I do with all these people 1401 00:54:14,185 --> 00:54:15,865 who don't necessarily want to, to come 1402 00:54:15,865 --> 00:54:17,305 with us on this, this journey doing? 1403 00:54:17,305 --> 00:54:20,585 So any advice as far as stimulating buy-in 1404 00:54:20,705 --> 00:54:22,385 or getting people all on, on board 1405 00:54:22,785 --> 00:54:23,865 - Y you know, it's, it's amazing. 1406 00:54:24,015 --> 00:54:27,025 Success begets success when, when they feel the joy 1407 00:54:27,645 --> 00:54:29,465 of watching their numbers increase, 1408 00:54:29,905 --> 00:54:32,505 watching their young adult wards be created. 1409 00:54:32,765 --> 00:54:34,425 We created the first young adult ward in 1410 00:54:34,425 --> 00:54:35,465 the church in Simi Valley. 1411 00:54:35,815 --> 00:54:37,705 They had branches at the universities, 1412 00:54:37,725 --> 00:54:39,425 but they didn't have a young adult ward. 1413 00:54:39,425 --> 00:54:41,785 And we took, they turned us down three times 1414 00:54:41,845 --> 00:54:43,425 before we finally got permission 1415 00:54:43,445 --> 00:54:45,905 to build the first young adult ward in Simi 1416 00:54:45,905 --> 00:54:47,065 Valley in the church. 1417 00:54:47,805 --> 00:54:49,545 And then we went from x 1418 00:54:49,925 --> 00:54:52,425 to a hundred missionaries at the time, serving out 1419 00:54:52,425 --> 00:54:54,585 of our stake, serving full-time missions. 1420 00:54:54,705 --> 00:54:57,145 I mean, it was incredible why, and that, 1421 00:54:57,285 --> 00:54:58,945 and that, just watching that happen 1422 00:54:59,085 --> 00:55:00,385 and being a part of it Mm-Hmm. 1423 00:55:00,425 --> 00:55:02,145 being the bishops and Bishop Bricks 1424 00:55:02,145 --> 00:55:03,865 and the other ward were feeding the young adults 1425 00:55:03,935 --> 00:55:05,065 into that young adult ward. 1426 00:55:05,485 --> 00:55:08,385 And then watching those great dynamic bishops get them on 1427 00:55:08,385 --> 00:55:11,345 missions and get our number from 50 to over a hundred. 1428 00:55:11,935 --> 00:55:13,305 It's compensation enough. 1429 00:55:13,365 --> 00:55:15,265 You know, you, you love being involved in 1430 00:55:15,265 --> 00:55:16,745 something that works. 1431 00:55:17,455 --> 00:55:21,145 I've been out of the Daniel Ward since 1978. 1432 00:55:21,215 --> 00:55:23,305 This is 20, that's 46 years ago. 1433 00:55:23,845 --> 00:55:26,185 And every kid that was in that program that I see 1434 00:55:26,365 --> 00:55:28,665 around in the to, to a wedding or instruction 1435 00:55:28,665 --> 00:55:30,505 or something, they'll all come up to me 1436 00:55:30,505 --> 00:55:33,025 and they'll say, we were part of the biggest and the best. 1437 00:55:33,525 --> 00:55:35,905 You know, they just coined the phrase themselves, 1438 00:55:36,525 --> 00:55:38,345 but it was just part of something big. 1439 00:55:38,455 --> 00:55:41,385 Yeah. And every time we had a Simi Valley person we meet, 1440 00:55:41,495 --> 00:55:43,745 they'll comment about the temple night they went to 1441 00:55:43,765 --> 00:55:45,105 and what a spirit that was there 1442 00:55:45,105 --> 00:55:47,665 and how they were, came close to creating Zion. 1443 00:55:47,685 --> 00:55:50,985 And, uh, if you could generate something, a program 1444 00:55:51,205 --> 00:55:53,625 or something that, that gets 'em engaged 1445 00:55:53,645 --> 00:55:55,625 and involved emotionally and spiritually. 1446 00:55:55,855 --> 00:55:58,185 Yeah. Then it's self perpetuating. 1447 00:55:58,285 --> 00:56:00,505 Now you, everybody gets behind it. 1448 00:56:00,505 --> 00:56:02,305 They all wanna be part of it. Yeah. 1449 00:56:02,685 --> 00:56:04,065 - And and large part of that, 1450 00:56:04,065 --> 00:56:05,305 that you mentioned is just like, you sort 1451 00:56:05,305 --> 00:56:07,185 of getting this momentum of success. 1452 00:56:07,185 --> 00:56:08,225 Right. Just a little success. 1453 00:56:08,245 --> 00:56:09,345 And then that sort of builds, 1454 00:56:09,565 --> 00:56:12,705 and that's inspiring to people feel like we're, we're, 1455 00:56:12,835 --> 00:56:13,665 we're part of the biggest 1456 00:56:13,665 --> 00:56:14,865 ambassador, whatever it was. Right. 1457 00:56:14,865 --> 00:56:16,825 - Right. Back to David Hagan, you know, 1458 00:56:16,825 --> 00:56:18,825 to meet every Monday morning in his office 1459 00:56:19,405 --> 00:56:22,425 and have the five of us report our numbers for the week. 1460 00:56:23,145 --> 00:56:25,645 You know, every one of us wanted to have the most numbers, 1461 00:56:25,905 --> 00:56:27,845 you know, , we wanted to be the, we wanted 1462 00:56:27,845 --> 00:56:30,165 to be David h All Star for the week, you know, 1463 00:56:30,745 --> 00:56:33,485 and it wasn't, I don't remember being a really competitive, 1464 00:56:33,505 --> 00:56:35,485 or where we were trying to compete with each other, 1465 00:56:35,585 --> 00:56:37,045 but we just wanted to perform. 1466 00:56:37,505 --> 00:56:39,565 We wanted to make him look good. 1467 00:56:39,745 --> 00:56:42,045 We wanted our missionaries to look good. 1468 00:56:42,465 --> 00:56:44,845 And we'd count up the number of the five regions 1469 00:56:44,845 --> 00:56:46,245 of the baptism for the week. 1470 00:56:46,265 --> 00:56:49,205 And, and it was just a thrill to be along to something 1471 00:56:49,205 --> 00:56:50,965 that was growing and dynamic. 1472 00:56:51,305 --> 00:56:53,405 And you're being led by such a leader and, 1473 00:56:53,785 --> 00:56:55,885 and, uh, you just wanted to be like it, you wanted 1474 00:56:55,885 --> 00:56:58,045 to someday try my wings. 1475 00:56:58,125 --> 00:57:00,805 I wanted someday if I could ever do what he did. Mm-Hmm. 1476 00:57:00,845 --> 00:57:02,925 in some way. And it's, uh, yeah. 1477 00:57:03,135 --> 00:57:06,205 Leadership is catchy. It's self perpetuating. 1478 00:57:06,625 --> 00:57:09,285 And if it's guided by something that, that works 1479 00:57:09,785 --> 00:57:10,965 and is building the kingdom 1480 00:57:11,545 --> 00:57:14,165 so you can see results, there's nothing like it. 1481 00:57:14,165 --> 00:57:17,245 Like you said, here's success, but here's happiness. 1482 00:57:17,865 --> 00:57:20,125 Use this success to, to give it away 1483 00:57:20,125 --> 00:57:21,805 and help others become successful. 1484 00:57:21,805 --> 00:57:24,245 In fact, he, he told me one day in his office, he said 1485 00:57:24,245 --> 00:57:26,845 that this, and this is back when a million dollar home was, 1486 00:57:27,185 --> 00:57:28,205 wasn't a starter home. 1487 00:57:28,205 --> 00:57:31,245 Right. But he, he said, you know, Jim, he said, he said, 1488 00:57:31,245 --> 00:57:32,885 there's nothing wrong with having a million dollar home. 1489 00:57:33,585 --> 00:57:36,405 But he said, if you do, be sure your neighbors have one too. 1490 00:57:37,835 --> 00:57:39,925 - Yeah. - If you can help your neighbors get one too, 1491 00:57:39,925 --> 00:57:41,165 then it's okay to have your own. 1492 00:57:41,225 --> 00:57:43,405 Mm. But make sure they got one too. Yeah. 1493 00:57:43,585 --> 00:57:46,005 That's, you know, what a great principle. Nice. 1494 00:57:46,425 --> 00:57:49,965 - And one of your missionaries told me about this dynamic 1495 00:57:49,985 --> 00:57:52,965 you're good at of, of giving, like with this buy-in, 1496 00:57:52,965 --> 00:57:55,165 of giving autonomy to the leaders around the mission. 1497 00:57:55,165 --> 00:57:57,885 That you're not just mar sending down marching orders from 1498 00:57:57,885 --> 00:58:00,525 the mission home or mission office and away they go. 1499 00:58:00,525 --> 00:58:02,725 And then, uh, maybe some interpret that differently. 1500 00:58:02,725 --> 00:58:03,885 Does that ring a bell or 1501 00:58:04,365 --> 00:58:05,365 - ? 1502 00:58:05,365 --> 00:58:07,565 Yeah. But it was fun watching the, the Nelsons 1503 00:58:07,565 --> 00:58:09,325 and the, the rest of you mentioned it. 1504 00:58:09,515 --> 00:58:11,205 They really did get the spirit of it. 1505 00:58:11,265 --> 00:58:13,085 And they did it because they wanted to do it. 1506 00:58:13,085 --> 00:58:14,605 And they felt the joy of it. Mm-Hmm. . 1507 00:58:14,865 --> 00:58:16,965 It wasn't 'cause they were being forced or mandated. 1508 00:58:17,165 --> 00:58:18,725 I hope that none of ever felt that. 1509 00:58:19,245 --> 00:58:22,485 I will say we, the first week we got there, we, we uh, 1510 00:58:22,705 --> 00:58:23,965 we tr toured the mission 1511 00:58:24,025 --> 00:58:25,205 and we tried to explain 1512 00:58:25,715 --> 00:58:27,525 what we wanted the missionaries to become. 1513 00:58:27,705 --> 00:58:29,205 We wanted to become Zion missionaries. 1514 00:58:29,665 --> 00:58:31,445 And we tried to describe what that was. 1515 00:58:31,665 --> 00:58:33,405 And we, we finally wrote it in a paper. 1516 00:58:33,605 --> 00:58:35,925 I quote, the first one of the iron rods I wrote, 1517 00:58:36,385 --> 00:58:38,805 we called it No Rules from Roanoke . 1518 00:58:38,805 --> 00:58:40,965 And we had the three kind of sloth missionary, 1519 00:58:41,265 --> 00:58:43,485 the obedient missionary, and the Zion missionary. 1520 00:58:43,905 --> 00:58:45,365 And we try describe those. 1521 00:58:45,505 --> 00:58:48,085 The sloth really has no interest in anything mission wise. 1522 00:58:48,465 --> 00:58:50,765 The obedience, the kids that are doing good job, 1523 00:58:50,765 --> 00:58:51,925 they live their mission rules. 1524 00:58:51,925 --> 00:58:54,525 They're doing everything. But the one you really want is 1525 00:58:54,525 --> 00:58:56,725 design missionary who's doing it for the right reason. 1526 00:58:56,915 --> 00:58:58,765 Because they really wanna become something. 1527 00:58:58,765 --> 00:58:59,805 They wanna become like God, 1528 00:58:59,805 --> 00:59:01,085 they wanna become a great leader. 1529 00:59:01,185 --> 00:59:02,605 - You don't necessarily need to prescribe 1530 00:59:02,695 --> 00:59:04,085 rules for them. But Yeah. 1531 00:59:04,085 --> 00:59:06,605 - And, and they don't live by rules. They live by his rules. 1532 00:59:06,705 --> 00:59:09,285 You know, I can't mandate a design missionary. 1533 00:59:10,045 --> 00:59:11,645 I can mandate you to be obedient, 1534 00:59:12,105 --> 00:59:13,725 but I don't, I don't want you to be obedient. 1535 00:59:13,925 --> 00:59:15,765 'cause I want you to be, I want you to be obedient. 1536 00:59:16,365 --> 00:59:17,965 I want you to be one like he wants you to be. 1537 00:59:18,305 --> 00:59:20,605 So anyway, I wrote it up, I had this written up and, 1538 00:59:20,825 --> 00:59:22,765 and we went around the mission, explained it, 1539 00:59:22,765 --> 00:59:26,205 and one of the missionaries from California, he went home 1540 00:59:26,355 --> 00:59:28,685 that day and called his mother on the phone, 1541 00:59:28,685 --> 00:59:31,645 which we didn't do in those days, only on Easter Christmas. 1542 00:59:32,185 --> 00:59:33,845 But he called his mother and he said, mother, 1543 00:59:33,865 --> 00:59:35,365 you can't believe this new mission present. 1544 00:59:35,545 --> 00:59:39,885 He said, he has no rules , he has no rules. . 1545 00:59:40,185 --> 00:59:42,765 And, and she lived next door. 1546 00:59:43,775 --> 00:59:45,835 The next door neighbor was he, he was, 1547 00:59:45,835 --> 00:59:47,435 he was the mission president of our mission. 1548 00:59:47,655 --> 00:59:49,515 And he now he's at the general authority 1549 00:59:49,895 --> 00:59:51,835 and General Authority seventies Corps. 1550 00:59:51,895 --> 00:59:54,035 And, uh, and he had been the mission president 1551 00:59:54,415 --> 00:59:56,035 and his daughter was living next door. 1552 00:59:56,815 --> 00:59:58,915 So his daughter called her dad 1553 00:59:59,395 --> 01:00:00,395 - and told on you 1554 01:00:00,575 --> 01:00:02,115 - And said, dad, you can't believe 1555 01:00:02,145 --> 01:00:03,315 what the new mission bread 1556 01:00:03,315 --> 01:00:06,355 that took your place three times ago that he took, 1557 01:00:06,385 --> 01:00:07,475 took your place. 1558 01:00:08,095 --> 01:00:10,155 And, uh, he said he didn't got any rules. 1559 01:00:10,655 --> 01:00:13,875 And he said to her, he said, you know, I happy to going out 1560 01:00:13,875 --> 01:00:15,475 to Roanoke to be speaking 1561 01:00:15,495 --> 01:00:18,195 to the Boy Scout retreatment in the 1562 01:00:18,395 --> 01:00:19,475 Northern Virginia next week. 1563 01:00:19,705 --> 01:00:21,595 I'll stop in and visit . 1564 01:00:22,215 --> 01:00:25,155 So, uh, so, and this picture's on the wall, like 1565 01:00:25,535 --> 01:00:26,595 - You have all the other mission brain. 1566 01:00:26,595 --> 01:00:28,475 - I'll see you in a minute. And he, uh, 1567 01:00:28,935 --> 01:00:30,755 and so anyway, he, the state president picks 1568 01:00:30,755 --> 01:00:31,875 him up and brings the mission home. 1569 01:00:31,875 --> 01:00:34,195 And, and we, we visit from then. 1570 01:00:34,215 --> 01:00:36,475 He says, can we go in my office and visit? 1571 01:00:36,935 --> 01:00:38,555 And I said, he said, do you want 1572 01:00:38,555 --> 01:00:39,755 to go in my office, his office? 1573 01:00:39,935 --> 01:00:41,755 And I thought that was my office . 1574 01:00:42,015 --> 01:00:44,275 So anyway, we go his office. That's great. 1575 01:00:44,275 --> 01:00:46,715 So I thought my office and revisit, he said, 1576 01:00:46,715 --> 01:00:47,755 tell me your theory on 1577 01:00:47,755 --> 01:00:49,835 how you're gonna work trying to train your missionaries. 1578 01:00:50,335 --> 01:00:53,035 And I said, Hey, I'll, let me just to read what I, 1579 01:00:53,035 --> 01:00:55,355 what I've written is kind of how my theory is. 1580 01:00:55,495 --> 01:00:57,435 I'm trying to create the design mission 1581 01:00:57,535 --> 01:00:58,955 and design missionaries. 1582 01:00:59,095 --> 01:01:02,715 And, and he read that. And then he started to laugh . 1583 01:01:02,935 --> 01:01:04,715 And he said, if you can do that, he said, 1584 01:01:04,715 --> 01:01:06,675 you'll be the first person in the history 1585 01:01:06,675 --> 01:01:08,115 of the church to ever pull this off. 1586 01:01:08,115 --> 01:01:10,555 He said, but he said, lemme tell you how at least one 1587 01:01:10,555 --> 01:01:11,875 of your missionaries got it. 1588 01:01:12,195 --> 01:01:13,435 - told you the - Story. 1589 01:01:13,655 --> 01:01:15,675 He explained how this ministry called it. 1590 01:01:15,935 --> 01:01:17,915 He said, so you maybe ought to do one more round 1591 01:01:17,935 --> 01:01:20,875 of explanation before you turn them loose. 1592 01:01:21,495 --> 01:01:22,595 That's great. Anyway, 1593 01:01:22,595 --> 01:01:23,835 that's great. Was a great experience. Any 1594 01:01:23,835 --> 01:01:24,835 - Other, uh, story. 1595 01:01:24,835 --> 01:01:26,035 - And he, and he became a great friend. 1596 01:01:26,095 --> 01:01:27,995 He became, oh, he, he even sealed one 1597 01:01:27,995 --> 01:01:30,115 of our children after he got home. 1598 01:01:30,695 --> 01:01:31,995 Anyway, great guy. Cool. 1599 01:01:32,355 --> 01:01:33,435 - Anything else from those missioners? 1600 01:01:33,535 --> 01:01:35,395 Uh, serving as a mission president comes, uh, 1601 01:01:35,395 --> 01:01:36,555 that we need to make sure we mention. 1602 01:01:37,745 --> 01:01:42,635 - It's just been an extremely fun, exciting time trying to, 1603 01:01:43,015 --> 01:01:46,955 and just so blessed to know that what if I hadn't have been 1604 01:01:46,955 --> 01:01:48,715 to that pre Corps class that day? 1605 01:01:49,185 --> 01:01:50,635 What if I hadn't have got Scotland? 1606 01:01:51,185 --> 01:01:52,915 What if I never met David Haight? 1607 01:01:53,105 --> 01:01:54,515 What if I never heard the formula? 1608 01:01:55,175 --> 01:01:56,315 You know, I mean, just on 1609 01:01:56,315 --> 01:01:58,555 and on the little mentoring experiences that, 1610 01:01:58,785 --> 01:02:01,395 that if I'd have been, if I'd have been there, I would've, 1611 01:02:01,395 --> 01:02:04,035 this Catholic priest, heaven me father had one prepared, 1612 01:02:04,615 --> 01:02:06,195 but I had to be in, in, in the, 1613 01:02:06,195 --> 01:02:07,475 the Barton Scotland to get it. 1614 01:02:07,535 --> 01:02:10,795 If I'd have been there, would've been wasted for me. Wow. 1615 01:02:11,175 --> 01:02:14,875 And so I, I just teach the value of, of mentorships 1616 01:02:15,095 --> 01:02:17,715 and also being where you're supposed to be. 1617 01:02:18,555 --> 01:02:20,205 'cause you're gonna gonna run into somebody who's gonna 1618 01:02:20,205 --> 01:02:22,725 change your life if you can just, uh Mm-Hmm. 1619 01:02:22,765 --> 01:02:24,285 be at that spot. Yeah. 1620 01:02:24,665 --> 01:02:25,885 - So you, you come from your mission, 1621 01:02:25,885 --> 01:02:27,045 and generally speaking, you were a 1622 01:02:27,045 --> 01:02:28,165 young mission president, right? 1623 01:02:28,235 --> 01:02:30,045 Yeah. You really had more than half your life 1624 01:02:30,045 --> 01:02:31,245 to go at that point, right? 1625 01:02:31,315 --> 01:02:33,085 - Yeah. Yeah. We were quite in, that's 86. 1626 01:02:33,145 --> 01:02:36,965 So we were, we were 43 when they got this. Got 1627 01:02:36,965 --> 01:02:38,085 - The, so what was your plan 1628 01:02:38,085 --> 01:02:40,285 as you come home? What were we gonna do with your life? 1629 01:02:40,475 --> 01:02:43,365 - Well, and I came home and I immediately got, uh, well 1630 01:02:43,365 --> 01:02:44,965 before that, after we, 1631 01:02:44,965 --> 01:02:47,765 before that 89 to 94, you know, 1632 01:02:47,765 --> 01:02:49,485 that's right after we came home. 1633 01:02:49,905 --> 01:02:51,845 And then I was, uh, called to be regional rep. 1634 01:02:52,345 --> 01:02:54,965 And I also, M Smith invited me to come 1635 01:02:54,965 --> 01:02:56,565 and help him build the Franklin Company. 1636 01:02:57,025 --> 01:02:58,765 - And he's, he worked for Franklin Cuffy. 1637 01:02:58,765 --> 01:03:00,445 - Yeah. Yeah. He was the, he started the Franklin 1638 01:03:00,465 --> 01:03:02,485 - In, this isn't a vision of the Hym Smith. 1639 01:03:02,735 --> 01:03:03,965 - Years later they bought Franklin, 1640 01:03:03,965 --> 01:03:05,085 they bought Covey, but Right. 1641 01:03:05,185 --> 01:03:06,805 But he asked me to help him start it. 1642 01:03:07,065 --> 01:03:08,725 And we, the fight, 1111 1643 01:03:08,725 --> 01:03:11,005 of us really got the Franklin Quest company going. 1644 01:03:11,025 --> 01:03:13,805 And, and I got to be the charge of sales 1645 01:03:13,825 --> 01:03:16,045 and training for the company in 90. 1646 01:03:16,115 --> 01:03:19,085 That was 89 92. We went public in 94. 1647 01:03:19,145 --> 01:03:20,565 We were a billion dollar company, 1648 01:03:21,245 --> 01:03:23,725 training 6 million corporate executives a year. 1649 01:03:23,865 --> 01:03:27,125 Wow. So I, I learned the nut five year block of time. 1650 01:03:27,185 --> 01:03:29,805 The only time I worked outside my entrepreneurship, 1651 01:03:30,155 --> 01:03:32,005 only time I worked in the corporate America 1652 01:03:32,105 --> 01:03:33,285 was that one experience. 1653 01:03:33,785 --> 01:03:35,125 But I had a great experience. 1654 01:03:35,125 --> 01:03:37,485 And I also, it was being in charge of sales 1655 01:03:37,505 --> 01:03:40,725 and training, I discovered that most training doesn't work. 1656 01:03:41,195 --> 01:03:44,925 Most training doesn't empower, most training educates. 1657 01:03:45,225 --> 01:03:46,285 But if you don't educate 1658 01:03:46,305 --> 01:03:47,965 and empower, you're wasting your time. 1659 01:03:48,245 --> 01:03:49,885 Hmm. You, if you don't alter behavior, 1660 01:03:50,505 --> 01:03:51,765 you don't change behavior. 1661 01:03:51,855 --> 01:03:54,205 Every time you teach a class launching leaders, 1662 01:03:54,265 --> 01:03:57,405 we always say, will you, will you live this principle? 1663 01:03:58,065 --> 01:04:00,125 And then we, I, I promise, if you will, 1664 01:04:00,285 --> 01:04:02,045 heavenly father wants you to do a little work. 1665 01:04:02,545 --> 01:04:04,325 And I know from experience it'll work. 1666 01:04:04,385 --> 01:04:06,285 And, and so when you walk out that door, 1667 01:04:06,355 --> 01:04:07,445 will you go do this? 1668 01:04:07,985 --> 01:04:09,565 And if you do, we promise you 1669 01:04:09,565 --> 01:04:11,765 that you'll be more successful and happier. 1670 01:04:11,945 --> 01:04:13,645 And that's what launching Leaders is. 1671 01:04:13,645 --> 01:04:16,645 That's what Steve Hits has helped create is is the company 1672 01:04:16,645 --> 01:04:19,525 of Launching Leaders, which is a training program 1673 01:04:19,755 --> 01:04:21,685 that really does work. Yeah. 1674 01:04:21,785 --> 01:04:23,165 - And we've done several episodes 1675 01:04:23,165 --> 01:04:24,765 and we'll link to those so that people can check it out. 1676 01:04:24,965 --> 01:04:26,045 'cause it's, it's phenomenal. 1677 01:04:26,085 --> 01:04:28,765 I love the book and everything that, that's happening there. 1678 01:04:29,425 --> 01:04:30,885 So did you feel like, 1679 01:04:31,765 --> 01:04:34,085 I guess this may be reflective of my own experience. 1680 01:04:34,085 --> 01:04:36,485 If I had some, I had 10 years of my life, very busy 1681 01:04:36,585 --> 01:04:38,525 of Bishop being and stake presidencies, and, 1682 01:04:39,065 --> 01:04:41,445 and then you move, or things change, 1683 01:04:41,545 --> 01:04:43,925 and then you're sort of not in the, the, the core 1684 01:04:43,985 --> 01:04:46,085 of the leadership efforts and the vision making 1685 01:04:46,145 --> 01:04:47,165 and all those things. 1686 01:04:47,465 --> 01:04:49,565 And have you gone through those types of seasons? 1687 01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:51,525 - Welcome to the eighties, by the way, . 1688 01:04:51,525 --> 01:04:54,685 Uh, you know, that is really the most difficult part 1689 01:04:54,685 --> 01:04:57,685 of my life right now, is the fact that, I mean, just 1690 01:04:57,705 --> 01:05:01,285 for instance, my name is still still on the door of my boys. 1691 01:05:01,345 --> 01:05:02,885 Uh, five of my, five of 1692 01:05:02,885 --> 01:05:05,645 or eight kids work together in a Richie group. 1693 01:05:06,465 --> 01:05:07,925 And, uh, the Richie still rich 1694 01:05:07,925 --> 01:05:10,005 with Richie Enterprises when I had it in 1695 01:05:10,005 --> 01:05:11,205 this Richie group now. 1696 01:05:11,205 --> 01:05:14,005 And, and, uh, they're doing the similar things to 1697 01:05:14,005 --> 01:05:16,725 what we did, but they're doing it a thousand times bigger. 1698 01:05:17,345 --> 01:05:18,805 And even though my name's on the door, 1699 01:05:18,805 --> 01:05:20,085 they don't call me anymore, . 1700 01:05:20,085 --> 01:05:22,285 I mean, it really is. I mean, I get, I hear about it 1701 01:05:22,285 --> 01:05:24,765 and they so on, but I'm not involved, really. 1702 01:05:24,905 --> 01:05:27,525 I'm out of it. I've been retired. I'm, I'm outside. 1703 01:05:27,625 --> 01:05:29,845 You know, in the church when you get to be 80, you, 1704 01:05:30,465 --> 01:05:32,805 you've been all the positions and all this stuff you do, 1705 01:05:32,805 --> 01:05:35,005 and they don't really need you anymore. 1706 01:05:35,115 --> 01:05:37,005 Even yesterday, you know, we watched some 1707 01:05:37,005 --> 01:05:39,365 of my good friends get released in the seventies quorum 1708 01:05:39,365 --> 01:05:40,805 and become emeritus. 1709 01:05:40,805 --> 01:05:43,085 And they'll, they're only 70 and I'm in eighties. 1710 01:05:43,105 --> 01:05:45,445 And, and it's really, really hard 1711 01:05:45,625 --> 01:05:47,525 to have done all that in your life. 1712 01:05:48,105 --> 01:05:51,685 And now to be kinda registered to this bench Mm-Hmm. 1713 01:05:51,725 --> 01:05:53,645 and watch it and think back 1714 01:05:53,745 --> 01:05:55,045 and you can write your story. 1715 01:05:55,065 --> 01:05:56,325 And I've written several books 1716 01:05:56,425 --> 01:05:58,445 and destroy my life and so on. 1717 01:05:58,505 --> 01:06:01,325 But, uh, it is really hard to have been 1718 01:06:01,325 --> 01:06:03,645 that involved in watching great things happen 1719 01:06:03,745 --> 01:06:07,125 and then to be registered to a bystander cer Mm-Hmm. 1720 01:06:07,165 --> 01:06:08,685 basically. We still do a lot of ministry 1721 01:06:08,685 --> 01:06:11,645 and we do two Days the Temple and trying to stay active 1722 01:06:11,745 --> 01:06:13,965 and involved, but, uh, but it's hard. 1723 01:06:13,965 --> 01:06:15,525 Yeah. It really is hard. So 1724 01:06:15,525 --> 01:06:16,525 - How do you find purpose or how do 1725 01:06:16,525 --> 01:06:17,365 you find follow that formula? 1726 01:06:17,705 --> 01:06:20,205 - That's, that's, that's the only way we are, we're trying, 1727 01:06:20,225 --> 01:06:22,325 we have to, we have to create it. 1728 01:06:22,325 --> 01:06:24,365 Now. We, this being a patron of the temple, 1729 01:06:24,465 --> 01:06:26,125 we did 30 ordinances day 1730 01:06:26,125 --> 01:06:28,685 before yesterday, uh, I mean day before conference. 1731 01:06:28,785 --> 01:06:32,365 And, and we kinda get a joke about beat that record. 1732 01:06:32,425 --> 01:06:33,765 You know, we did that in three hours. 1733 01:06:33,865 --> 01:06:35,765 You know, give us and, and, uh, 1734 01:06:35,785 --> 01:06:38,285 and so we kinda tried our kids, you know, we'd get, 1735 01:06:38,385 --> 01:06:39,445 see if you can beat that record. 1736 01:06:39,465 --> 01:06:41,805 And so we're trying to find a motivation 1737 01:06:42,025 --> 01:06:43,605 and we find great joy in the temple, 1738 01:06:44,105 --> 01:06:45,805 and we find great joy in ministry. 1739 01:06:45,805 --> 01:06:48,285 And we have several restaurant friends of ours 1740 01:06:48,285 --> 01:06:50,205 that are struggling really hard. 1741 01:06:50,225 --> 01:06:51,605 And we visit them every week 1742 01:06:51,625 --> 01:06:53,885 and take them out to dinner to do some things. 1743 01:06:53,945 --> 01:06:56,285 But, so we're trying to, to have meaning. 1744 01:06:56,695 --> 01:06:57,885 We're trying to be useful. 1745 01:06:57,895 --> 01:07:00,045 We're trying to find, but it's hard. 1746 01:07:00,465 --> 01:07:02,845 And it certainly is several levels 1747 01:07:02,895 --> 01:07:04,245 below what we, what we used to do. 1748 01:07:04,265 --> 01:07:06,045 Mm-Hmm. . And, and that's hard. 1749 01:07:06,185 --> 01:07:08,605 And sometimes, as you're saying, kind 1750 01:07:08,645 --> 01:07:09,725 of nice to get the other side. 1751 01:07:09,965 --> 01:07:11,605 'cause you know, the other side, you're gonna be back 1752 01:07:11,605 --> 01:07:13,245 engaged again, and back involved. 1753 01:07:13,945 --> 01:07:15,885 And you don't need to be looking for something to do. 1754 01:07:15,975 --> 01:07:17,605 He'll have you something to do. So, yeah. 1755 01:07:17,745 --> 01:07:18,885 - Anyway, uh, what was it like 1756 01:07:18,885 --> 01:07:20,285 hearing Scotland's getting a temple 1757 01:07:20,475 --> 01:07:21,475 - That was exciting? 1758 01:07:21,475 --> 01:07:23,485 He Heber Scotland. Yeah. 1759 01:07:24,005 --> 01:07:26,365 Roanoke, you know, Uhhuh, , Roanoke last time. 1760 01:07:26,845 --> 01:07:28,805 Scotland this time, Hebrew two times ago. 1761 01:07:29,365 --> 01:07:31,165 I mean, everywhere's, we've been, and you know, 1762 01:07:31,165 --> 01:07:33,325 and think about it, we, we, in California, 1763 01:07:33,345 --> 01:07:35,765 we had the LA Temple and Hebrew are getting a temple now. 1764 01:07:35,765 --> 01:07:36,965 And the New Zealand, we had the, 1765 01:07:36,965 --> 01:07:39,925 we had the LA Temple in New Zealand, in Hawaii. 1766 01:07:39,925 --> 01:07:41,005 We had the LA Temple, 1767 01:07:41,105 --> 01:07:43,685 and now Rons gonna get a temple in Washington, 1768 01:07:43,745 --> 01:07:46,205 DC We had a temple in, in Africa. 1769 01:07:46,235 --> 01:07:48,445 When he got to Africa, we had one temple in all 1770 01:07:48,445 --> 01:07:49,765 of Africa in Johannesburg. 1771 01:07:49,765 --> 01:07:53,365 We worked there for two years, boarded 122 airplanes out 1772 01:07:53,365 --> 01:07:56,365 of Johannesburg in two years, took 26 countries, 1773 01:07:56,365 --> 01:07:58,885 we supervised, then we get seven weeks home, 1774 01:07:58,885 --> 01:07:59,885 we get transferred and asked 1775 01:07:59,885 --> 01:08:02,045 to go become the MTC president of Ghana. 1776 01:08:02,465 --> 01:08:05,125 We get to Ghana the weekend they opened the, the temple. 1777 01:08:05,125 --> 01:08:06,645 Wow. The second, second temple in Africa. 1778 01:08:07,065 --> 01:08:09,405 We get to take the first missionaries to the temple 1779 01:08:09,475 --> 01:08:11,205 that in all of West Africa. 1780 01:08:11,785 --> 01:08:14,765 And now there's 18 temples announced for built in Africa. 1781 01:08:14,765 --> 01:08:17,005 Mm-Hmm. . I mean, it's just exciting to know 1782 01:08:17,005 --> 01:08:19,765 that everywhere we've been, everywhere we've worked, 1783 01:08:19,875 --> 01:08:23,765 there's either is or has been or will be a temple, you know, 1784 01:08:23,765 --> 01:08:25,965 and the Roanoke will have a big reunion if we 1785 01:08:26,315 --> 01:08:27,565 back there when they have that one. 1786 01:08:27,585 --> 01:08:29,885 And with this scholar, we ought to go have a reunion, 1787 01:08:29,885 --> 01:08:31,725 this scholar again, when they have that one. 1788 01:08:31,825 --> 01:08:34,605 So, yeah. Yeah. It's fun. It really is. 1789 01:08:34,605 --> 01:08:35,725 The temple is really the, 1790 01:08:36,105 --> 01:08:38,365 and the whole conference was focused on that. 1791 01:08:38,825 --> 01:08:42,365 The temple really is the, the spot for a person of my kind, 1792 01:08:42,525 --> 01:08:46,685 a retired person whose years of real leadership are over. 1793 01:08:47,185 --> 01:08:50,205 And, and so you're relegated to self perpetuating something. 1794 01:08:50,865 --> 01:08:53,205 You gotta self engineer your life right now. 1795 01:08:53,205 --> 01:08:55,485 If you're gonna be useful, you're not gonna get asked 1796 01:08:55,485 --> 01:08:56,485 by the church to do it. 1797 01:08:56,825 --> 01:08:58,485 So you gotta volunteer to do it. 1798 01:08:58,665 --> 01:09:01,605 And, uh, we just got off another mission up on the girls 1799 01:09:01,635 --> 01:09:03,165 camp, but you got released. 1800 01:09:03,705 --> 01:09:05,685 But it's really hard at our age 1801 01:09:05,685 --> 01:09:09,045 to do anything more than finding the temple and ministry 1802 01:09:09,045 --> 01:09:10,325 and the things of that kind. 1803 01:09:11,025 --> 01:09:12,765 But they're rewarding and they're there. Yeah. 1804 01:09:12,765 --> 01:09:15,125 And there's unlimited use. You can Yeah. 1805 01:09:15,185 --> 01:09:18,045 If, if you go inactive, it's your own fault. 1806 01:09:18,285 --> 01:09:19,885 'cause there's plenty of opportunity. Yeah. 1807 01:09:20,225 --> 01:09:22,165 - Now you, I know that you keep in touch 1808 01:09:22,165 --> 01:09:23,205 with some of your missionaries. 1809 01:09:23,265 --> 01:09:25,125 I'm sure many people that you've led in the past just 1810 01:09:25,125 --> 01:09:26,245 that continue that mentorship. 1811 01:09:26,245 --> 01:09:29,205 Yeah. I know you send out a letter or an email. We have an 1812 01:09:29,235 --> 01:09:30,235 - Whatnot. 1813 01:09:30,235 --> 01:09:31,765 We got over a thousand people on email 1814 01:09:31,785 --> 01:09:34,725 and several hundred of those are missionaries and MTC kids. 1815 01:09:34,785 --> 01:09:37,325 And, and we literally have friends all over the world. 1816 01:09:37,425 --> 01:09:39,925 We get emails back from every country we've 1817 01:09:39,925 --> 01:09:41,045 served in several a week. 1818 01:09:41,355 --> 01:09:42,885 There's some people all over the world. 1819 01:09:42,945 --> 01:09:46,165 And it is such a great joy to pull up your email list 1820 01:09:46,185 --> 01:09:49,925 and see there's Eddie Dube of the seventies, Corrum, the, 1821 01:09:50,305 --> 01:09:52,965 you know, and this got put in the seven presidents 1822 01:09:52,965 --> 01:09:55,325 and I took him all, we tied him with us. 1823 01:09:55,345 --> 01:09:59,925 He was one of our seminary institute directors in Zimbabwe 1824 01:09:59,925 --> 01:10:01,245 and Zambian Malawi. 1825 01:10:01,445 --> 01:10:04,565 Hmm. And now he is his seven presidents of 70. Yeah. 1826 01:10:04,565 --> 01:10:07,245 Albert Morrison, elder Morrison was one 1827 01:10:07,245 --> 01:10:10,405 of our teachers in the MTC come off of Mission in Nigeria. 1828 01:10:10,995 --> 01:10:13,805 Came and knocked on her door to be a teacher, became one 1829 01:10:13,805 --> 01:10:15,885 of her teachers married our cook. 1830 01:10:16,305 --> 01:10:17,405 Oh, really? . We, they, 1831 01:10:17,405 --> 01:10:19,005 neither one had parents in the church, 1832 01:10:19,025 --> 01:10:20,605 so we became their parents in the temple 1833 01:10:20,785 --> 01:10:23,845 and they got married and we become dear friends ever since 1834 01:10:23,845 --> 01:10:26,565 they, they called us our mom and dad and and, 1835 01:10:26,565 --> 01:10:28,965 and to, but to have to watch that, to see that happen, 1836 01:10:28,965 --> 01:10:31,005 that kid, he's only 43 years old. 1837 01:10:31,455 --> 01:10:34,685 He'll be in that role for 30 years. Yeah. 30 years. 1838 01:10:34,735 --> 01:10:37,885 He'll be in that, in that seventies quorum if he's not, 1839 01:10:37,905 --> 01:10:39,565 if he doesn't become Prophet . 1840 01:10:39,745 --> 01:10:42,565 Uh, and you know, and Eddie Dubay and Joseph sat 1841 01:10:42,945 --> 01:10:45,445 and Ian er just got released. 1842 01:10:45,545 --> 01:10:48,085 He took us all over New Zealand. 1843 01:10:48,225 --> 01:10:50,925 He was our Boston New Zealand for two years. Yeah. 1844 01:10:51,545 --> 01:10:54,125 It just, just having those kind of people Yeah. 1845 01:10:54,125 --> 01:10:56,085 - Those relationships continue - To work with. Yeah. 1846 01:10:56,355 --> 01:10:59,685 They just keep going. Awesome. You know Paul Johnson? 1847 01:11:00,475 --> 01:11:02,325 - Paul V. Johnson, - Yeah. Yep. 1848 01:11:02,555 --> 01:11:04,405 He's the Sunday school president right now. Yeah. 1849 01:11:04,405 --> 01:11:07,165 Paul Johnson. Yeah. We took him on safari in Africa. 1850 01:11:07,405 --> 01:11:08,965 I mean, we've become bad dear friends 1851 01:11:09,145 --> 01:11:12,085 and just to see these guys doing their stuff, 1852 01:11:12,105 --> 01:11:13,125 you know, it's just, uh, uh, 1853 01:11:13,395 --> 01:11:14,445 - It's inspiring. It's 1854 01:11:14,445 --> 01:11:15,445 - Just, just inspiring. 1855 01:11:15,445 --> 01:11:17,205 And it is so fun to have them think 1856 01:11:17,205 --> 01:11:20,485 that those three 19 people are our friends. 1857 01:11:20,625 --> 01:11:22,005 And we, Jeff Hall, 1858 01:11:22,005 --> 01:11:23,925 and I got a note from him that out 1859 01:11:23,945 --> 01:11:25,245 to finish, it was at Jeff Hall. 1860 01:11:25,245 --> 01:11:27,765 And I went to administering one night the other night, night 1861 01:11:27,765 --> 01:11:29,325 before conference Friday night. 1862 01:11:29,705 --> 01:11:32,205 And I saw a guy, one of my friends from high school, 1863 01:11:32,265 --> 01:11:34,645 he is in the, the rest home, two years old, 1864 01:11:34,765 --> 01:11:37,045 a great football basketball star of our day. 1865 01:11:37,665 --> 01:11:40,125 And he told me, he went, went in his office in his room 1866 01:11:40,125 --> 01:11:42,965 and he said, you know, he said, one of the great thi moments 1867 01:11:43,025 --> 01:11:44,645 of my life, he said, it was in high school, 1868 01:11:44,725 --> 01:11:45,725 I was the athletic director. 1869 01:11:45,725 --> 01:11:46,765 I couldn't play basketball. 1870 01:11:46,765 --> 01:11:48,965 So I watched their towels for him. 1871 01:11:49,705 --> 01:11:51,645 And I was on a trip with him when he went, 1872 01:11:51,645 --> 01:11:53,525 when he took on the state championship, 1873 01:11:53,545 --> 01:11:55,245 and they didn't, they lost the, Dixie 1874 01:11:55,665 --> 01:11:57,605 and Wasatch had a perfect season. 1875 01:11:57,675 --> 01:12:00,405 They lost the Dixie and he was on the bench. 1876 01:12:00,455 --> 01:12:03,005 Jerry was on the bench moping about getting beat, 1877 01:12:03,065 --> 01:12:05,125 and had mine named Jeff Hallman come over. 1878 01:12:05,205 --> 01:12:07,685 A kid who had played on the other team, come over 1879 01:12:07,685 --> 01:12:10,005 and shook his hand and said, Hey, don't worry about that. 1880 01:12:10,005 --> 01:12:12,645 Watch that had a great time. They did a great job. 1881 01:12:12,705 --> 01:12:13,925 You know, don't cry about it. 1882 01:12:14,265 --> 01:12:16,205 And this kid told me other night, he said, I, 1883 01:12:16,345 --> 01:12:19,445 my greatest bucket list on my list is to someday 1884 01:12:19,995 --> 01:12:22,565 have Jeff Holland meet him or talk to him. 1885 01:12:22,815 --> 01:12:26,045 Thank him for what he did for me six 70 years ago. Oh, wow. 1886 01:12:26,605 --> 01:12:28,085 I went home and wrote Elder Holland, 1887 01:12:28,085 --> 01:12:29,285 because he is a good friend of ours. 1888 01:12:29,285 --> 01:12:30,405 My wife's from St. George, 1889 01:12:30,825 --> 01:12:32,245 and he'd married three of our children 1890 01:12:32,345 --> 01:12:34,085 and we'd been, he's followed us all over. 1891 01:12:34,445 --> 01:12:35,885 I mean, it's been fun being, 1892 01:12:35,885 --> 01:12:37,565 and his friend, I wrote him a note 1893 01:12:37,585 --> 01:12:40,285 and I told him about Jerry Christianson and, uh, 1894 01:12:40,585 --> 01:12:42,645 and he picked up the phone Friday 1895 01:12:42,645 --> 01:12:44,005 night, 10 o'clock at night. 1896 01:12:44,185 --> 01:12:46,725 Wow. And called Jerry was asleep. He didn't get it. 1897 01:12:46,745 --> 01:12:49,085 He didn't answer the phone, but he wrote me back 1898 01:12:49,085 --> 01:12:50,165 a note, elder Holland did. 1899 01:12:50,165 --> 01:12:51,485 And said, I've tried to call him. 1900 01:12:51,795 --> 01:12:53,285 I'll call him when conference is over. 1901 01:12:53,425 --> 01:12:54,645 You're probably doing it today. 1902 01:12:55,105 --> 01:12:57,365 He said, but I wanna thank you for telling me that. 1903 01:12:57,705 --> 01:12:59,805 And I called Jerry the next morning, Saturday morning. 1904 01:12:59,885 --> 01:13:02,045 I said, Jerry, you missed the call . 1905 01:13:02,345 --> 01:13:05,045 And uh, I said, elder Holland called you last night 1906 01:13:05,045 --> 01:13:06,165 at, and he started crying. 1907 01:13:06,385 --> 01:13:07,885 Oh, wow. He just started crying. 1908 01:13:08,025 --> 01:13:09,805 He was so touched that Oh, that's cool. 1909 01:13:09,935 --> 01:13:12,005 Elder Holland would call him on the phone 1910 01:13:12,465 --> 01:13:14,805 to fill his bucket list before he dies. Yeah. 1911 01:13:14,925 --> 01:13:16,125 - I mean, yeah. Wow. That's powerful. 1912 01:13:16,515 --> 01:13:17,805 Well, thanks again, Jim. 1913 01:13:17,805 --> 01:13:18,845 This is such, there's so many stories. 1914 01:13:19,045 --> 01:13:21,125 I mean, I know you've written many of these down and, 1915 01:13:21,145 --> 01:13:23,805 and I'm grateful we could, uh, get a snapshot of many 1916 01:13:23,805 --> 01:13:25,765 of them and learn from your leadership, your mentorship. 1917 01:13:26,075 --> 01:13:27,085 Last question I have for you, 1918 01:13:27,105 --> 01:13:29,365 as you reflect back on your life of leadership, 1919 01:13:29,425 --> 01:13:31,725 how has being a leader helped you become a better 1920 01:13:31,725 --> 01:13:33,005 follower of Jesus Christ? 1921 01:13:33,745 --> 01:13:36,565 - Oh, you know, that's the greatest success story 1922 01:13:36,745 --> 01:13:41,645 of leadership is discovering that how fun it is 1923 01:13:41,645 --> 01:13:43,005 to also follow 1924 01:13:43,225 --> 01:13:46,365 and watch people who are trying to do what you tried to do 1925 01:13:46,585 --> 01:13:48,285 and trying to do what, what you've done 1926 01:13:48,705 --> 01:13:50,485 and to see how well how they do it. 1927 01:13:50,945 --> 01:13:53,645 And it really is a thrill to be in the rank 1928 01:13:53,705 --> 01:13:55,245 and file and watch. 1929 01:13:55,245 --> 01:13:58,285 Right now, my daughter-in-law's brother is our bishop. 1930 01:13:58,825 --> 01:14:00,765 And, uh, he's doing a great job. 1931 01:14:00,945 --> 01:14:03,325 And he is, uh, and he is just son to sit in the audience 1932 01:14:03,345 --> 01:14:06,605 and look at him and realize that his sister is the mother 1933 01:14:06,625 --> 01:14:08,205 of five of my grandkids, you know? 1934 01:14:08,225 --> 01:14:12,405 And, uh, and his dad was the stake president of our stake. 1935 01:14:12,425 --> 01:14:14,605 And then he was a mission president in, in Michigan. 1936 01:14:15,425 --> 01:14:18,565 And so, you know, just to kind of be in, 1937 01:14:18,625 --> 01:14:21,405 in this benches now watching these kind of people and, 1938 01:14:21,745 --> 01:14:24,485 and being part of that kind of team, it really is a thrill 1939 01:14:24,865 --> 01:14:27,165 to be a follower when you really, uh, 1940 01:14:27,165 --> 01:14:30,245 because I, in fact, just to finish it off, I say 1941 01:14:30,805 --> 01:14:33,165 I wrote envy the days when I was there, 1942 01:14:33,275 --> 01:14:34,325 when I doing their job. 1943 01:14:34,985 --> 01:14:36,485 But I look at it then I say, 1944 01:14:36,505 --> 01:14:38,085 I'm sure glad I'm not doing it today, 1945 01:14:38,275 --> 01:14:39,845 because I don't think I could go 1946 01:14:39,845 --> 01:14:41,205 camping anymore with those kids. 1947 01:14:41,365 --> 01:14:42,565 I couldn't do those kind of things. 1948 01:14:42,665 --> 01:14:44,085 But, so I'm glad they're doing it. 1949 01:14:44,345 --> 01:14:45,565 I'm glad I don't have to do it, 1950 01:14:45,985 --> 01:14:48,125 but it sure is fine watching them do it 1951 01:14:48,125 --> 01:14:51,405 because they've, uh, they're taking my kids and my grandkids 1952 01:14:51,405 --> 01:14:52,725 and my great grandkids and, 1953 01:14:53,025 --> 01:14:56,125 and helping them learn how the great the gospel is. 1954 01:15:03,915 --> 01:15:06,885 - That concludes this episode of the Leading Saints podcast. 1955 01:15:07,305 --> 01:15:08,685 Hey, listen, would you do me a favor? 1956 01:15:08,945 --> 01:15:11,725 You know, everybody's got that friend who listens to a ton 1957 01:15:11,725 --> 01:15:14,925 of podcasts and maybe they aren't aware of Leading Saints. 1958 01:15:14,985 --> 01:15:17,565 So would you mind taking the link of this episode 1959 01:15:17,665 --> 01:15:19,405 or another episode of Leading Saints 1960 01:15:19,405 --> 01:15:21,285 and just texting it to that friend? 1961 01:15:21,305 --> 01:15:22,965 You know who I'm talking about, the friend 1962 01:15:22,965 --> 01:15:24,805 who always listens to podcasts 1963 01:15:24,805 --> 01:15:26,845 and is always telling you about different podcasts? 1964 01:15:26,845 --> 01:15:28,165 Well, it's your turn to tell 1965 01:15:28,165 --> 01:15:29,925 that friend about Leading Saints. 1966 01:15:30,265 --> 01:15:32,405 So share it. We'd also love to hear from you. 1967 01:15:32,405 --> 01:15:33,645 If you have any perspective 1968 01:15:33,745 --> 01:15:36,685 or thought on this episode, you can go to leading saints.org 1969 01:15:36,685 --> 01:15:39,645 and actually leave a comment on the, uh, episode page, 1970 01:15:40,025 --> 01:15:42,645 or reach out to us at leading saints.org/contact. 1971 01:15:43,645 --> 01:15:45,805 Remember up your teaching game by listening 1972 01:15:45,805 --> 01:15:47,485 to the David Farnsworth presentation 1973 01:15:47,505 --> 01:15:50,405 by visiting leading saints.org/fourteen. 1974 01:16:00,865 --> 01:16:04,205 - It came as a result of the position of leadership, 1975 01:16:04,255 --> 01:16:07,965 which was imposed upon us by the God of Heaven, 1976 01:16:08,145 --> 01:16:11,485 who brought forth a restoration of the Gospel 1977 01:16:11,705 --> 01:16:13,045 of Jesus Christ. 1978 01:16:13,705 --> 01:16:17,085 And when the Declaration was made concerning the own 1979 01:16:17,145 --> 01:16:18,205 and only true 1980 01:16:18,225 --> 01:16:21,085 and living church upon the face of the Earth, 1981 01:16:21,865 --> 01:16:25,245 we were immediately put in a position of loneliness. 1982 01:16:25,505 --> 01:16:27,205 The loneliness of leadership 1983 01:16:27,715 --> 01:16:30,565 from which we cannot shrink nor run away. 1984 01:16:31,505 --> 01:16:35,205 And to which we must face up with boldness and courage 1985 01:16:35,785 --> 01:16:36,525 and ability.