1 00:00:02,185 --> 00:00:03,485 - It is finally available. 2 00:00:03,995 --> 00:00:07,125 I've been working on a manuscript for the past four years, 3 00:00:07,545 --> 00:00:10,285 and it's finally a book I can hold in my hands. 4 00:00:10,755 --> 00:00:14,285 It's titled, is God Disappointed In Me Removing Shame 5 00:00:14,435 --> 00:00:15,525 from a Gospel of Grace? 6 00:00:15,955 --> 00:00:17,965 This book has gotten so much attention 7 00:00:18,315 --> 00:00:21,685 that it is already a number one Amazon bestseller. 8 00:00:22,025 --> 00:00:25,605 I'm Beyond amazed in just a few words I wrote, 9 00:00:25,665 --> 00:00:28,365 is God Disappointed in Me for Latter Day Saints 10 00:00:28,505 --> 00:00:31,045 who often feel overwhelmed by the gospel 11 00:00:31,465 --> 00:00:33,965 and who are constantly worrying if they are doing enough. 12 00:00:34,475 --> 00:00:35,685 It's for the latter Day Saint 13 00:00:36,065 --> 00:00:39,565 who have stepped away from the church is for the individuals 14 00:00:39,565 --> 00:00:40,965 who appear to be living right 15 00:00:41,305 --> 00:00:43,485 but still can't find peace and happiness. 16 00:00:43,825 --> 00:00:46,885 And frankly, it's for everyone who enjoys listening 17 00:00:46,885 --> 00:00:48,245 to the Leading Saints podcast. 18 00:00:48,905 --> 00:00:50,965 You will love and cherish this book. 19 00:00:51,385 --> 00:00:52,885 Now, warning, you might want 20 00:00:52,885 --> 00:00:56,765 to consider purchasing multiple copies to share one Bishop 21 00:00:56,905 --> 00:00:59,525 who got an advance copy, read it in one weekend, 22 00:00:59,825 --> 00:01:02,805 and then literally purchased 100 additional copies. 23 00:01:03,425 --> 00:01:04,885 You can order it on Amazon. 24 00:01:04,985 --> 00:01:06,205 The link is in the show notes, 25 00:01:06,465 --> 00:01:09,685 or starting in March, you can find it in your local Costco 26 00:01:09,745 --> 00:01:11,605 in Idaho, Utah, and Arizona. 27 00:01:12,075 --> 00:01:14,325 It's called, is God Disappointed In Me? 28 00:01:14,665 --> 00:01:16,165 And you can order it now. 29 00:01:20,785 --> 00:01:24,045 Hey, did you know that we video record the vast majority 30 00:01:24,065 --> 00:01:26,045 of our interviews on the Leading Saints podcast? 31 00:01:26,505 --> 00:01:29,005 That's right. 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Danel White Nelson. 58 00:02:36,985 --> 00:02:38,845 Now we've had opportunity to hang out. 59 00:02:38,845 --> 00:02:40,765 We, uh, our cruise buddies, as we call it. 60 00:02:40,775 --> 00:02:43,085 We've, uh, spoken on different latter day St cruises 61 00:02:43,145 --> 00:02:44,965 and gotten to know each other, their stories. 62 00:02:45,025 --> 00:02:46,445 And hearing you just about the, 63 00:02:46,505 --> 00:02:48,325 the Nelson family is inspiring. 64 00:02:48,355 --> 00:02:51,645 Obviously we love President Nelson, his faith, his vision, 65 00:02:51,785 --> 00:02:54,485 his direction as a, a leader of our church 66 00:02:54,585 --> 00:02:55,765 and a a living prophet. 67 00:02:56,385 --> 00:02:59,765 And as we were talking, the idea came up that, you know, 68 00:02:59,765 --> 00:03:03,005 it would be interesting to spend an episode on his first 69 00:03:03,005 --> 00:03:07,085 wife Danell, who was a deeply, you'll notice by the end 70 00:03:07,085 --> 00:03:08,845 of this, you will know without a doubt 71 00:03:08,945 --> 00:03:12,765 how such a deeply faithful saint she was, as many 72 00:03:12,765 --> 00:03:14,245 of you know, her death 73 00:03:14,385 --> 00:03:16,925 and passing away came suddenly to President Nelson. 74 00:03:16,985 --> 00:03:20,045 He told about the story of her losing her life suddenly and, 75 00:03:20,045 --> 00:03:23,205 and breaking his heart, obviously losing his, his, uh, 76 00:03:23,205 --> 00:03:24,685 eternal companion and mortality. 77 00:03:24,985 --> 00:03:26,285 So I sat down with Marjorie 78 00:03:26,305 --> 00:03:28,565 and we just explored the life of Danell Nelson, 79 00:03:29,105 --> 00:03:31,525 who obviously engaged with the gospel 80 00:03:31,705 --> 00:03:34,445 and our beloved prophet in, in such unique ways, uh, 81 00:03:34,785 --> 00:03:37,725 as a partner going through life, raising kids, uh, 82 00:03:37,725 --> 00:03:39,125 being the wife of a, of a surgeon, 83 00:03:39,545 --> 00:03:40,805 um, how they balance things. 84 00:03:41,025 --> 00:03:42,565 And, uh, we just wanted to honor her. 85 00:03:42,565 --> 00:03:45,525 And many times in our leadership tradition, the wives 86 00:03:45,525 --> 00:03:48,445 of apostles or prophets sometimes fade into the background 87 00:03:48,905 --> 00:03:50,885 and we want to highlight those women 88 00:03:50,885 --> 00:03:53,885 who had such a profound influence on those leaders 89 00:03:53,945 --> 00:03:54,965 and how they lead. 90 00:03:55,345 --> 00:03:56,765 And so here's our attempt to do that, 91 00:03:56,765 --> 00:03:57,925 and I hope you enjoy this. 92 00:03:58,025 --> 00:04:01,245 And we so much appreciate the Nelson family 93 00:04:01,505 --> 00:04:06,045 and sharing their father grandfather with us as a church, 94 00:04:06,305 --> 00:04:09,565 as we look to him as our prophet, no doubt the expense 95 00:04:09,565 --> 00:04:12,205 that is on a family as they share their, 96 00:04:12,735 --> 00:04:14,205 their father with the world. 97 00:04:14,345 --> 00:04:16,845 And so, I'm so grateful for Marjorie taking this time 98 00:04:16,865 --> 00:04:19,885 as we can focus on the other half of President Nelson, 99 00:04:20,305 --> 00:04:22,845 his first wife, Danell White Nelson. 100 00:04:23,545 --> 00:04:26,045 And another way that Marjorie has honored her mother is 101 00:04:26,045 --> 00:04:27,485 written a book, a children's book, 102 00:04:27,795 --> 00:04:30,685 focused on a sweet lullaby that, uh, 103 00:04:30,685 --> 00:04:32,645 her mother would often sing to her and, 104 00:04:32,665 --> 00:04:33,765 and the other children. 105 00:04:34,225 --> 00:04:35,965 And so we'll talk about that book as well. 106 00:04:36,025 --> 00:04:39,285 So here's my interview with Marjorie Nelson Lauder. 107 00:04:49,815 --> 00:04:51,365 Today I have the opportunity to sit down 108 00:04:51,395 --> 00:04:53,565 with Marjorie Nelson Lauder. 109 00:04:53,565 --> 00:04:54,725 How are you, Marjorie? I'm 110 00:04:54,725 --> 00:04:55,725 - Great, thank you. 111 00:04:55,725 --> 00:04:56,325 Awesome. Thanks for having 112 00:04:56,325 --> 00:04:57,325 - Me. 113 00:04:57,325 --> 00:04:59,485 Yeah. Now we are, we're cruise buddies, right? Yes. 114 00:05:00,215 --> 00:05:02,885 We've been on more than one cruise together with our spouses 115 00:05:02,885 --> 00:05:04,485 and our, what we call our cruise family. 116 00:05:04,765 --> 00:05:07,725 'cause uh, we both have the opportunity to be speakers on 117 00:05:08,395 --> 00:05:11,445 some past cruises and maybe some future cruises together. 118 00:05:11,445 --> 00:05:13,725 But you have another set of cruises coming up 119 00:05:13,725 --> 00:05:15,045 as well. So how do you feel about that? 120 00:05:15,225 --> 00:05:16,285 - Yes, it's fun. 121 00:05:16,525 --> 00:05:18,605 I love meeting the people 122 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:21,445 and yeah, it's a great, great experience for sure. 123 00:05:21,465 --> 00:05:23,085 Fun to do with my sweet husband. 124 00:05:23,665 --> 00:05:26,325 - Yes. So now your maiden name is Nelson? Yes. 125 00:05:26,325 --> 00:05:29,205 And that's a, a very well known name in our faith tradition. 126 00:05:29,205 --> 00:05:31,605 Because you are the youngest daughter of President Nelson? 127 00:05:31,905 --> 00:05:34,565 Yes. Nice. And and that's nine daughters? Mm-Hmm. 128 00:05:34,605 --> 00:05:37,205 . And then your little brother just 129 00:05:37,205 --> 00:05:38,485 below you. Yeah, the caboose, 130 00:05:38,665 --> 00:05:39,665 - Our baby brother. 131 00:05:39,715 --> 00:05:40,925 - Nice. And they - Russ, 132 00:05:40,925 --> 00:05:43,405 who's taller than all of us . Nice. 133 00:05:43,515 --> 00:05:46,045 - Were your parents really like, excited to get, 134 00:05:46,205 --> 00:05:48,045 finally get The Boy or, yes. 135 00:05:48,265 --> 00:05:49,725 Yes. Yeah. Nice. That's awesome. 136 00:05:50,025 --> 00:05:52,845 So you've written a book called Putting on the Moon, 137 00:05:52,845 --> 00:05:54,005 that is a children's book. 138 00:05:54,185 --> 00:05:56,485 Yes. And it is inspired by your mother. Yes. 139 00:05:56,505 --> 00:05:57,805 And we were chatting on the cruise. 140 00:05:57,805 --> 00:05:59,085 We thought it would be so fun 141 00:05:59,085 --> 00:06:01,165 to take maybe an episode on Leading Saints 142 00:06:01,165 --> 00:06:04,845 and just honor your mom, Danzel white Nelson, right? 143 00:06:05,025 --> 00:06:07,165 Yes. And learn more about her. 144 00:06:07,405 --> 00:06:10,125 'cause sometimes, you know, how long ago did she pass away? 145 00:06:10,625 --> 00:06:12,965 - She passed away in 2005. Oh, 146 00:06:12,965 --> 00:06:13,965 - Wow. 147 00:06:13,965 --> 00:06:16,045 And so a lot of people don't know about the, 148 00:06:16,095 --> 00:06:18,405 these stalwart wives behind the scenes at times, 149 00:06:18,625 --> 00:06:20,805 but really there's a partnership happening there. 150 00:06:20,805 --> 00:06:23,365 And so, and the book maybe explain the connection 151 00:06:23,365 --> 00:06:24,805 with your mother in the book that you wrote. 152 00:06:25,185 --> 00:06:29,805 - Yes. That's based on a lullaby that my mother used 153 00:06:29,805 --> 00:06:31,805 to sing to us at night. 154 00:06:32,625 --> 00:06:33,925 One tradition 155 00:06:33,925 --> 00:06:36,645 that I loved was she would sing to us at night. 156 00:06:36,645 --> 00:06:38,805 She had a beautiful singing voice. Hmm. 157 00:06:39,185 --> 00:06:42,125 And she had a whole repertoire that we loved, 158 00:06:42,185 --> 00:06:43,925 but this was one of our favorites 159 00:06:44,025 --> 00:06:45,645 and was putting on the moon. 160 00:06:45,705 --> 00:06:48,045 And so I always, I'm an artist 161 00:06:48,105 --> 00:06:50,685 and I always wanted to illustrate a children's book. 162 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:54,245 And so I thought for several years that Mm-Hmm. 163 00:06:54,245 --> 00:06:57,605 That, that song would be a fun one to do. Yeah. In a book. 164 00:06:57,865 --> 00:07:00,405 - Now is this a, like a song that she wrote 165 00:07:00,505 --> 00:07:01,845 or is it just been, 166 00:07:01,995 --> 00:07:03,685 just was in the family forever? ? 167 00:07:03,885 --> 00:07:05,045 - I don't think so, but, 168 00:07:05,545 --> 00:07:08,325 and my dad couldn't remember where she got it from. 169 00:07:08,765 --> 00:07:11,965 I asked her, my cousins on her side, none 170 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:13,405 of their parents sing it. 171 00:07:13,545 --> 00:07:16,205 So either she made it up 172 00:07:16,345 --> 00:07:19,845 or it was maybe a song 173 00:07:19,845 --> 00:07:22,765 that she learned in her vocal lessons, 174 00:07:23,305 --> 00:07:24,565 in her vocal coaching. 175 00:07:24,625 --> 00:07:27,125 Oh, wow. A lot of times she had some of the other songs 176 00:07:27,125 --> 00:07:29,685 that we know came from like Chinese 177 00:07:30,515 --> 00:07:31,515 - Yeah. 178 00:07:31,515 --> 00:07:32,205 - Songs. . Yeah. - Wow. 179 00:07:32,465 --> 00:07:34,565 So, so was she, like, did she, 180 00:07:35,025 --> 00:07:37,325 was she professionally trained in vocal performance 181 00:07:37,345 --> 00:07:38,645 or what was that background? 182 00:07:39,225 --> 00:07:40,445 - Yes, she had training 183 00:07:40,825 --> 00:07:45,205 and she was a beautiful soprano singer, 184 00:07:45,585 --> 00:07:48,725 and she had a full ride scholarship to Julliard. 185 00:07:48,985 --> 00:07:50,005 - Oh really? Wow. - But 186 00:07:50,315 --> 00:07:51,885 that she didn't end up taking . 187 00:07:51,915 --> 00:07:54,125 Yeah. 'cause she ended up marrying my dad. Wow. 188 00:07:54,505 --> 00:07:59,485 And deciding that having a family and a mother was her. 189 00:07:59,755 --> 00:08:02,445 Yeah. Full-time ambition. Like that's what she wanted to do. 190 00:08:02,625 --> 00:08:07,085 Wow. She was also a school teacher, so she taught school 191 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:10,565 for, well, some of it was in, when she was in Salt Lake, 192 00:08:10,625 --> 00:08:12,525 so I don't know how many kids she had. 193 00:08:12,585 --> 00:08:15,605 So Yeah. That was before I was born. Yeah, right. 194 00:08:15,605 --> 00:08:17,605 That's not important. No, I'm just teasing. 195 00:08:17,905 --> 00:08:20,125 - So maybe just give us a little bit of her early background 196 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:21,405 as far as where she was born and raised 197 00:08:21,465 --> 00:08:24,365 and what her growing up years were like. She 198 00:08:24,365 --> 00:08:26,645 - Was born and raised in Perry, Utah 199 00:08:27,705 --> 00:08:31,085 and right up by Brigham City just north of Salt Lake. 200 00:08:31,665 --> 00:08:35,725 And then, uh, she went to the University of Utah 201 00:08:36,065 --> 00:08:39,125 and she was in a musical where she met my dad 202 00:08:39,465 --> 00:08:41,685 and they fell in love and Yeah. And 203 00:08:41,685 --> 00:08:42,805 - The rest is history. I mean, it 204 00:08:42,805 --> 00:08:44,085 - Was, that's all - She wrote. 205 00:08:44,345 --> 00:08:46,885 So, I mean, is there a story for like, was your, 206 00:08:47,075 --> 00:08:48,725 your father in the musical 207 00:08:48,865 --> 00:08:49,885 or like, how, how did that, 208 00:08:50,035 --> 00:08:51,645 what was the interaction like? He 209 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:56,365 - Had a friend or fellow in his, he was studying pre-med. 210 00:08:56,365 --> 00:08:57,965 Mm-Hmm. , you know, he was in medicine 211 00:08:58,425 --> 00:09:02,285 and, um, he had someone trying to talk him into, 212 00:09:02,785 --> 00:09:05,765 he had done, like in high school, they had done musicals 213 00:09:05,825 --> 00:09:07,005 and done plays. 214 00:09:07,065 --> 00:09:09,685 He has a great voice and perfect pitch. 215 00:09:09,785 --> 00:09:13,405 And so he's a good candidate and he was, you know, handsome. 216 00:09:14,105 --> 00:09:16,765 So his buddy was trying to talk him into it 217 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:18,165 and he said, just come by 218 00:09:18,185 --> 00:09:20,285 and see what you think about, you know, they're having a, 219 00:09:20,465 --> 00:09:23,045 an early rehearsal, they're just getting things going, 220 00:09:23,345 --> 00:09:25,645 but there are still a few piece, you know, people 221 00:09:25,675 --> 00:09:26,805 that they need to cast. 222 00:09:27,225 --> 00:09:30,645 And so he came and at that time, my mom was on the stage 223 00:09:31,575 --> 00:09:35,405 practicing her part or whatever, and he said, who's that? 224 00:09:36,145 --> 00:09:37,605 And they said, that's Stansil White, 225 00:09:37,775 --> 00:09:40,285 she's doing the female lead. 226 00:09:40,285 --> 00:09:42,645 And he said, okay, I'll sign up. 227 00:09:43,045 --> 00:09:44,045 - . 228 00:09:44,045 --> 00:09:45,285 Nice. So, well probably one 229 00:09:45,285 --> 00:09:46,605 of the most important decisions of his life. 230 00:09:46,655 --> 00:09:48,485 Right, right. Wow, that's awesome. 231 00:09:48,825 --> 00:09:50,405 And anything that, that they've, 232 00:09:50,745 --> 00:09:51,965 any stories they'd tell about their 233 00:09:51,965 --> 00:09:53,325 courtship or anything like that? 234 00:09:53,845 --> 00:09:56,085 - I think I remember something about, 235 00:09:56,925 --> 00:09:58,805 I think he proposed in the pee patch 236 00:09:59,865 --> 00:10:01,765 in her garden up in Perry. 237 00:10:01,875 --> 00:10:03,725 - Such a romantic Yeah, I know, right? 238 00:10:04,305 --> 00:10:06,205 - It is very romantic. Yeah. I think, yeah. 239 00:10:06,705 --> 00:10:09,845 And yeah, they, they had great friends 240 00:10:10,385 --> 00:10:11,605 up at the u Uhhuh 241 00:10:11,605 --> 00:10:14,725 and had a great experience dating and Yeah. 242 00:10:14,875 --> 00:10:18,285 - Yeah. And then, and she knew sort of this life of, uh, 243 00:10:18,315 --> 00:10:21,085 this medical career that she was signing up for that time 244 00:10:21,185 --> 00:10:23,125 and, and that took them all over as he was going 245 00:10:23,125 --> 00:10:25,125 through his, his education. Right, right. 246 00:10:25,835 --> 00:10:29,405 - Yeah. Back to Boston and Minnesota 247 00:10:29,745 --> 00:10:33,245 and let's see, where else did they Washington. Hmm. 248 00:10:33,715 --> 00:10:36,525 - Yeah. And, and then it led to a busy life as the wife 249 00:10:36,525 --> 00:10:37,965 of a doctor and all that. 250 00:10:37,965 --> 00:10:40,325 Yes. So, and did they start having kids pretty soon 251 00:10:40,325 --> 00:10:41,685 after they got married or 252 00:10:41,925 --> 00:10:42,925 - A handful of years? 253 00:10:42,925 --> 00:10:44,605 Yeah, later. They were in, uh, 254 00:10:45,485 --> 00:10:48,125 Minnesota when my oldest sister was born. 255 00:10:48,305 --> 00:10:50,525 - Wow. And growing up, maybe just jumping 256 00:10:50,625 --> 00:10:52,325 to when you came on the scene 257 00:10:52,325 --> 00:10:54,445 and your early memories of your mom, you know, 258 00:10:54,445 --> 00:10:56,645 you talk about the, the bedtime singing 259 00:10:56,825 --> 00:10:59,445 and anything else as far as what the, the characteristics 260 00:10:59,445 --> 00:11:01,845 that, that, as you look back with hindsight, like that, 261 00:11:01,845 --> 00:11:03,645 that stand out about your, your mother? 262 00:11:04,195 --> 00:11:08,605 - Well, my mother had the talent of making events 263 00:11:08,785 --> 00:11:11,925 and holidays and time together really special. 264 00:11:12,345 --> 00:11:15,845 And I think it was really important to her 265 00:11:16,025 --> 00:11:18,925 and to my father that when, you know, 266 00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:20,805 to create those good memories 267 00:11:21,145 --> 00:11:24,365 and she was a master at it. 268 00:11:24,505 --> 00:11:26,365 And creating wonderful traditions 269 00:11:26,365 --> 00:11:30,205 that made us all wanna be there and, and be together. 270 00:11:30,465 --> 00:11:33,885 And it just really strengthened those bonds 271 00:11:34,065 --> 00:11:35,965 of family ties. 272 00:11:36,065 --> 00:11:37,685 Mm-Hmm. . And we all just loved being together 273 00:11:37,785 --> 00:11:40,885 and still loved just being together 274 00:11:40,915 --> 00:11:42,285 with my family. Yeah. It's 275 00:11:42,625 --> 00:11:43,625 - The best. 276 00:11:43,625 --> 00:11:45,805 And that's, uh, you find that that's what you try 277 00:11:45,805 --> 00:11:47,605 and do as a, as a mother and grandmother as well? 278 00:11:47,605 --> 00:11:48,765 Like, just Yeah. Just gather, 279 00:11:49,075 --> 00:11:51,965 - Gathering, you know, try to make something 280 00:11:52,025 --> 00:11:55,165 that's like a little, little recurring special thing that's, 281 00:11:55,705 --> 00:11:59,045 that's, um, special to your time together. 282 00:11:59,355 --> 00:12:03,485 Yeah. We got together once the family started getting bigger 283 00:12:04,145 --> 00:12:07,805 and we couldn't go to everybody's birthday, you know, 284 00:12:07,805 --> 00:12:09,165 to their house on their birthday. 285 00:12:09,325 --> 00:12:12,645 'cause we would've been having birthday cake 286 00:12:12,695 --> 00:12:13,725 every other night. 287 00:12:14,105 --> 00:12:18,805 Um, so they got the idea to have a monthly birthday party. 288 00:12:18,985 --> 00:12:21,085 And so then we would gather monthly 289 00:12:21,425 --> 00:12:23,085 and make it a really special time 290 00:12:23,105 --> 00:12:26,485 and we'd have a cake with all the names on it 291 00:12:26,665 --> 00:12:30,725 and sing to those people and share gifts or whatever, 292 00:12:31,545 --> 00:12:34,045 and just do that every month. 293 00:12:34,185 --> 00:12:36,485 And 4th of July was really special 294 00:12:36,625 --> 00:12:38,525 and she'd make the Olympics. 295 00:12:39,145 --> 00:12:41,285 Oh, really? Yeah. So she'd have different 296 00:12:41,285 --> 00:12:42,725 events. And so she'd 297 00:12:42,725 --> 00:12:44,045 - Like when you were, when the Olympics were happening 298 00:12:44,045 --> 00:12:45,525 or like a family Olympics? No, 299 00:12:45,525 --> 00:12:46,525 - A family Olympics. 300 00:12:46,525 --> 00:12:48,685 Okay. Yeah. At her family place 301 00:12:48,865 --> 00:12:51,045 and, you know, different events like, oh, 302 00:12:51,045 --> 00:12:53,845 here's the hula hoop contest and, 303 00:12:53,985 --> 00:12:57,205 or like a relay race or a three-legged race. 304 00:12:57,345 --> 00:12:59,365 Or we'd start out with a parade, 305 00:12:59,675 --> 00:13:01,285 we'd all decorate up our bikes 306 00:13:01,385 --> 00:13:04,125 and the kids still do all decorate up their bikes. 307 00:13:04,125 --> 00:13:08,125 And then she'd put up, you know, on John Phillips Souza 308 00:13:08,465 --> 00:13:12,045 and we'd ride around the, the little track there 309 00:13:12,425 --> 00:13:15,045 to have a little parade uhhuh for the 4th of July. 310 00:13:15,265 --> 00:13:18,285 And, and then she'd split us into teams and, 311 00:13:18,505 --> 00:13:21,725 and we'd compete in the different things. 312 00:13:21,745 --> 00:13:24,525 And she would just have medals for everybody 313 00:13:24,705 --> 00:13:27,205 and, you know, treats for participating 314 00:13:27,225 --> 00:13:29,525 or prizes if you were the fastest one 315 00:13:29,625 --> 00:13:31,765 or did the longest hula hoop or whatever. 316 00:13:31,995 --> 00:13:34,725 Yeah. And then like a Reese's Peanut butter cup would be 317 00:13:35,115 --> 00:13:37,285 like those little ones that are in the gold wrapper, 318 00:13:37,335 --> 00:13:41,325 Uhhuh , that's the, she had that 319 00:13:41,865 --> 00:13:45,485 hot glued onto, uh, some yarn around your neck. 320 00:13:45,505 --> 00:13:46,645 So that was a gold medal 321 00:13:46,825 --> 00:13:48,445 or like a peppermint patty 322 00:13:48,475 --> 00:13:51,125 with the silver , you know? Yeah, yeah. 323 00:13:51,265 --> 00:13:52,765 - So very, very creative. Yeah. 324 00:13:52,785 --> 00:13:54,205 And resourceful . Right, 325 00:13:54,255 --> 00:13:55,255 - Right. 326 00:13:55,255 --> 00:13:57,405 And we'd usually do a craft and that kind of thing. 327 00:13:57,465 --> 00:13:59,925 And it was, it's just always so fun. 328 00:13:59,985 --> 00:14:03,365 And, and those traditions just have carried on and, 329 00:14:03,665 --> 00:14:06,845 and makes it special because we can tell our kids 330 00:14:06,905 --> 00:14:09,245 and grandkids now about, oh, how, you know, 331 00:14:09,245 --> 00:14:11,205 grandmother did this and Mm-Hmm. 332 00:14:11,245 --> 00:14:12,965 , she just loved it when we would 333 00:14:12,965 --> 00:14:14,365 do this part or 334 00:14:14,525 --> 00:14:15,525 - Whatever. 335 00:14:15,525 --> 00:14:17,525 Yeah. So it sounds like, I mean, she's this a mother 336 00:14:17,525 --> 00:14:19,725 that would, I mean, like you said, create these, 337 00:14:19,895 --> 00:14:22,325 these memories, but like an experience for the family 338 00:14:22,355 --> 00:14:23,685 that we're not just gonna gather, 339 00:14:23,745 --> 00:14:25,805 but they were going to do something like Olympics 340 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:29,005 or like, just that energy was, uh, something that kept her, 341 00:14:29,165 --> 00:14:30,765 I mean, she was engaged with with that. 342 00:14:30,765 --> 00:14:32,005 Right. Yeah. That's 343 00:14:32,005 --> 00:14:33,005 - Awesome. 344 00:14:33,005 --> 00:14:35,565 Yeah. Or, or like a family dinner, like at Christmas, 345 00:14:35,945 --> 00:14:38,325 at Christmas time, she'd have, you know, 346 00:14:38,405 --> 00:14:40,245 a few families over at a time 347 00:14:40,785 --> 00:14:43,205 and she liked to create like, themes. 348 00:14:44,185 --> 00:14:46,165 So everything would be gingerbread. 349 00:14:46,165 --> 00:14:49,085 Like our little name cards would be have little gingerbread 350 00:14:49,705 --> 00:14:50,845 men on 'em and Wow. 351 00:14:51,395 --> 00:14:54,245 - Yeah. I know. Just, just fun themes like that. Yeah, yeah. 352 00:14:54,275 --> 00:14:56,205 - Yeah. She's just so creative and Yeah. 353 00:14:57,065 --> 00:14:59,045 - Did she, uh, you know, we talked about her vocal 354 00:14:59,155 --> 00:15:00,165 performance background, 355 00:15:00,165 --> 00:15:02,125 but is, uh, is, you know, you're, you're an artist. 356 00:15:02,125 --> 00:15:03,925 Does that any of that come from your mother then, or, 357 00:15:04,145 --> 00:15:06,845 - Um, yeah, I think she had some innate talent. 358 00:15:07,065 --> 00:15:09,205 We, um, in fact, the year 359 00:15:09,325 --> 00:15:11,165 before she passed, we had signed up 360 00:15:11,185 --> 00:15:12,725 for a watercolor class together. 361 00:15:12,905 --> 00:15:16,605 Oh, wow. And we were getting all into it, and for one reason 362 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:18,445 or another, we couldn't do it right then. 363 00:15:18,585 --> 00:15:21,765 But yeah. She had some really natural talent. 364 00:15:21,905 --> 00:15:24,045 And her mother, we have some paintings 365 00:15:24,045 --> 00:15:25,965 that her mother did, and so 366 00:15:26,585 --> 00:15:27,585 - Oh wow. 367 00:15:27,585 --> 00:15:29,485 So it's generational thing is, 368 00:15:29,645 --> 00:15:30,765 I mean, that's cool. That's great. 369 00:15:30,765 --> 00:15:33,125 - Yeah. She was a great appreciator of art. 370 00:15:33,465 --> 00:15:36,165 She always taught us to see the beauty in everything, 371 00:15:36,165 --> 00:15:40,245 whether it was nature or art or music. 372 00:15:40,715 --> 00:15:45,565 Both my parents loved beautiful things. Music. Mm-Hmm. 373 00:15:45,805 --> 00:15:49,245 Musicals. We were raised on singing them from the 374 00:15:49,245 --> 00:15:50,285 musicals and . 375 00:15:50,285 --> 00:15:53,325 Oh yeah, sure. Being in plays and things like that. 376 00:15:53,505 --> 00:15:56,405 - That's awesome. Any early memories of stories as far 377 00:15:56,405 --> 00:15:58,845 as their, your parents' interactions, you know, 378 00:15:58,845 --> 00:16:02,125 as raising a family, especially a family of, of 10 kids. 379 00:16:02,125 --> 00:16:04,525 Right. Mm-Hmm. . I mean, that's, um, and, 380 00:16:04,525 --> 00:16:06,245 and you were, so when you were born, 381 00:16:06,245 --> 00:16:08,165 your oldest sibling was, I mean, 382 00:16:08,165 --> 00:16:09,405 what's the age difference there? 383 00:16:09,665 --> 00:16:12,605 - So there were only ever nine of us at home. Okay. At once. 384 00:16:12,605 --> 00:16:14,805 Because, um, my brother was born 385 00:16:14,805 --> 00:16:17,045 after my oldest sister was married, but, 386 00:16:17,305 --> 00:16:20,165 but we had all online girls there at once, . And 387 00:16:20,695 --> 00:16:22,205 - There was a lot of explain the tro 388 00:16:22,405 --> 00:16:23,485 - Estrogen in the house. Yeah. 389 00:16:23,605 --> 00:16:25,205 - . So maybe explain that dynamic 390 00:16:25,505 --> 00:16:27,925 of just not only a lot of kids, but a lot of of girls. 391 00:16:27,925 --> 00:16:29,525 Right. A lot of girls, A lot of, yeah. 392 00:16:29,525 --> 00:16:30,805 People in the bathroom getting 393 00:16:30,805 --> 00:16:32,005 ready at once, I would imagine. 394 00:16:32,005 --> 00:16:34,365 Right. What, anything else that you'd describe that 395 00:16:34,385 --> 00:16:37,325 and how she worked her, you know, fit into all that 396 00:16:37,505 --> 00:16:39,525 or shepherd all that? Yeah. 397 00:16:39,595 --> 00:16:41,655 - Yeah. I don't know. 398 00:16:41,815 --> 00:16:44,975 A lot of times I just thought, how did you keep track of 399 00:16:45,405 --> 00:16:47,615 that many people and, you know, in 400 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:49,655 that many different stages of life. 401 00:16:50,015 --> 00:16:54,735 'cause they would be from college kids to, to young babies. 402 00:16:54,995 --> 00:16:59,175 And I remember when they, remember when the prophet came out 403 00:16:59,175 --> 00:17:01,495 with that we should do family home evenings. 404 00:17:01,555 --> 00:17:04,575 And so, and my parents were always, I mean, they taught, 405 00:17:04,645 --> 00:17:07,255 they taught us to listen to the prophet 406 00:17:07,515 --> 00:17:10,055 and that we, you know, obey 407 00:17:10,355 --> 00:17:12,255 and try to follow what the prophet says. 408 00:17:12,355 --> 00:17:15,175 And, and they followed, they led by example. 409 00:17:15,315 --> 00:17:17,895 And we, you know, started having family home evening, 410 00:17:18,035 --> 00:17:20,335 and some of the college girls, you know, 411 00:17:20,335 --> 00:17:22,655 wouldn't get there till the end or whatever. 412 00:17:22,715 --> 00:17:25,015 But they would know we'd be doing that and, 413 00:17:25,355 --> 00:17:27,735 and then we'd be having family prayer, you know? 414 00:17:27,795 --> 00:17:30,735 Mm-Hmm. at certain time, if you weren't there, 415 00:17:31,275 --> 00:17:34,015 you would know that you were being prayed for, you know, 416 00:17:34,015 --> 00:17:37,215 or you, you'd know that your family was kneeling 417 00:17:37,215 --> 00:17:38,415 around the parents' bed. 418 00:17:38,435 --> 00:17:42,055 And, and I have a lot of great memories of, you know, 419 00:17:42,055 --> 00:17:45,455 nailing around my parents' bed for, for prayer and 420 00:17:46,125 --> 00:17:47,125 - Yeah. 421 00:17:47,125 --> 00:17:48,295 - Love that. - Yeah, I bet. 422 00:17:48,515 --> 00:17:51,725 And I would imagine, you know, the daughter of a surgeon, 423 00:17:52,005 --> 00:17:54,365 I mean, is there's some odd hours at times right? 424 00:17:54,375 --> 00:17:56,965 Where are coming and going, or middle of the night calls. 425 00:17:57,045 --> 00:17:58,525 I, I mean, is that a good way 426 00:17:58,525 --> 00:17:59,965 to explain it? Or how would you explain it? 427 00:18:00,155 --> 00:18:02,005 - Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. 428 00:18:02,065 --> 00:18:05,805 He would, he would have long days, you know, at the hospital 429 00:18:06,025 --> 00:18:10,325 and, and he just loved, I know he missed that time, like 430 00:18:10,885 --> 00:18:13,445 snuggling the babies and putting them down to bed 431 00:18:13,585 --> 00:18:17,125 and, you know, reading with us, if he was home in time, he, 432 00:18:17,185 --> 00:18:18,845 you know, we would read to us 433 00:18:18,985 --> 00:18:22,205 or ba you know, give us all baths and, and tuck us in. 434 00:18:22,205 --> 00:18:24,045 And, but if he got home 435 00:18:24,145 --> 00:18:28,325 and the baby was sleeping, you know, he would tiptoe in and, 436 00:18:28,945 --> 00:18:30,525 and do his little test 437 00:18:30,575 --> 00:18:35,525 where he'd lift the baby's wrist up just a little bit and, 438 00:18:35,745 --> 00:18:36,845 and just drop it. 439 00:18:36,985 --> 00:18:39,205 And if the baby like held it up 440 00:18:39,265 --> 00:18:42,165 or startled, then he would tiptoe back out 441 00:18:42,225 --> 00:18:44,205 of the room very quietly. 442 00:18:44,945 --> 00:18:47,525 And if, um, if the hand just dropped, 443 00:18:47,715 --> 00:18:49,805 then he knew he could pick that baby up 444 00:18:49,805 --> 00:18:51,245 and snuggle her and . 445 00:18:51,505 --> 00:18:52,605 Oh, that's sweet. And, uh, 446 00:18:52,765 --> 00:18:54,885 wouldn't risk waking the baby. Yeah. 447 00:18:54,955 --> 00:18:57,605 - Yeah. That's awesome. And I've always wondered is like, 448 00:18:57,645 --> 00:19:00,205 I mean, being the, having a, a father who's a doctor, 449 00:19:00,365 --> 00:19:03,245 I mean, we spend, seems like every few months we're at the 450 00:19:03,445 --> 00:19:04,725 hospital or in InstaCare or whatever, 451 00:19:04,745 --> 00:19:06,765 but was there a lot of just, uh, you know, 452 00:19:06,765 --> 00:19:08,685 bring me some tape and, uh, some pliers 453 00:19:08,705 --> 00:19:10,165 and I gotta, you know, was there 454 00:19:10,435 --> 00:19:11,805 that happening in, in your home? 455 00:19:11,805 --> 00:19:12,805 Or how, how did that work? 456 00:19:12,955 --> 00:19:16,605 - Yeah, we have several examples of when he would, 457 00:19:16,985 --> 00:19:19,685 he had his doctor bag in the car Oh, okay. 458 00:19:19,685 --> 00:19:20,845 In the trunk. Always . 459 00:19:20,945 --> 00:19:23,125 And, uh, so there were times he had 460 00:19:23,125 --> 00:19:24,245 to stitch some people up. 461 00:19:24,645 --> 00:19:25,685 , I remember that. 462 00:19:25,785 --> 00:19:30,005 But his first response was to put it to bed. Mm-Hmm. 463 00:19:30,045 --> 00:19:32,205 like, he, he could tell if it was something 464 00:19:32,205 --> 00:19:33,325 serious, obviously. 465 00:19:33,325 --> 00:19:36,005 Right. But, but he would tell us to put it to bed and 466 00:19:36,885 --> 00:19:38,685 - , walk it off. In other words, 467 00:19:38,785 --> 00:19:40,485 - See how it is in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. 468 00:19:40,675 --> 00:19:43,405 - Nice. Um, anything else as far as with your mom? 469 00:19:43,425 --> 00:19:45,965 The memories of just like the, the growing up years? 470 00:19:46,275 --> 00:19:48,405 Because I would imagine since you're, you know, 471 00:19:48,465 --> 00:19:50,765 I'm the youngest of my family, so, you know, 472 00:19:50,765 --> 00:19:52,725 my older siblings giving me a bad time that 473 00:19:52,785 --> 00:19:55,565 how I had it easy or, you know, it's 474 00:19:55,565 --> 00:19:57,365 - A different, isn't it? Yeah. 475 00:19:57,505 --> 00:19:59,885 - So, I mean, was it, as you were a aging 476 00:19:59,885 --> 00:20:01,725 through your teenage years, did you, you know, 477 00:20:01,725 --> 00:20:04,685 you weren't at in a home of, of all these kids, 478 00:20:04,825 --> 00:20:06,245 it was now just a handful of kids. 479 00:20:06,245 --> 00:20:08,165 Right. So it was maybe Yeah. A little more. It 480 00:20:08,165 --> 00:20:09,165 - Was mostly typical. 481 00:20:09,165 --> 00:20:10,445 Yeah. My, me 482 00:20:10,445 --> 00:20:13,485 and my brother, usually when I, when I got to that Uhhuh age 483 00:20:13,505 --> 00:20:16,165 and I was in high school, and yeah. 484 00:20:16,275 --> 00:20:19,645 We'd come in after a date I'd, they would make sure 485 00:20:19,645 --> 00:20:20,685 that we would check in. 486 00:20:20,815 --> 00:20:25,165 Right. And, uh, so I would tiptoe around to my mom's side 487 00:20:25,165 --> 00:20:27,445 of the bed and let her know that I was home. 488 00:20:27,555 --> 00:20:30,445 Yeah. Try to not wake daddy 489 00:20:30,515 --> 00:20:31,725 because he probably had 490 00:20:31,725 --> 00:20:33,605 to operate in the morning. Yeah, yeah, 491 00:20:33,995 --> 00:20:34,995 - Yeah. 492 00:20:34,995 --> 00:20:36,005 People's lives on the line, , right? 493 00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:37,125 - Yeah. Right. Yeah. 494 00:20:37,705 --> 00:20:41,165 So sometimes I didn't think it would matter, like if 495 00:20:41,275 --> 00:20:43,405 that she would notice, but if I didn't check in, 496 00:20:43,495 --> 00:20:46,805 she'd wake up, you know, in an hour or so and come down 497 00:20:46,865 --> 00:20:48,725 and check that we got home. 498 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:51,725 Oh, yeah. So yeah. That mom radar is going on. Yeah. I bet 499 00:20:51,945 --> 00:20:53,485 - You experienced that later on in life, right? 500 00:20:53,555 --> 00:20:56,165 Yeah. Yeah. Anything else as far as the, the dynamic 501 00:20:56,265 --> 00:20:58,205 of being a teenager with your mom was, 502 00:20:58,235 --> 00:20:59,485 what was that relationship like? 503 00:21:00,025 --> 00:21:01,605 - Oh, that was, it was great. 504 00:21:01,825 --> 00:21:06,605 She, she was really involved as far as taking us 505 00:21:06,785 --> 00:21:10,405 to ballet or whatever we were enrolled in 506 00:21:10,465 --> 00:21:13,125 or driving us to where we needed to be. 507 00:21:13,545 --> 00:21:15,365 And I remember she did Cub Scouts. 508 00:21:15,785 --> 00:21:18,005 She was a Cub Scout leader for my brother. 509 00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:21,405 And, uh, so that was, that was always fun. 510 00:21:21,425 --> 00:21:24,085 And, and then I would help her out, you know? Mm-Hmm. 511 00:21:24,245 --> 00:21:26,165 Like, if we were gonna do a, a craft 512 00:21:26,225 --> 00:21:28,885 or something, then I would help her with 513 00:21:29,445 --> 00:21:30,645 whatever activity they were doing. 514 00:21:30,785 --> 00:21:33,525 And so she was, she was great that way. 515 00:21:34,025 --> 00:21:38,405 She had this magic of making it feel like, at least to me, 516 00:21:38,445 --> 00:21:40,485 I don't know if my sisters would agree, 517 00:21:40,675 --> 00:21:41,885 well in their experience, 518 00:21:41,905 --> 00:21:45,325 but for me, I looked up to my sisters so much 519 00:21:45,785 --> 00:21:49,645 and my mom somehow made it magical to, in fall time 520 00:21:50,145 --> 00:21:52,285 before we would go school shopping, 521 00:21:52,915 --> 00:21:55,485 we'd shop in each other's closets, . 522 00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:57,325 Right. So I would hand me down, see 523 00:21:57,325 --> 00:21:58,365 what hand-me-downs there were. 524 00:21:58,505 --> 00:22:01,205 And I just thought it was like the neatest thing 525 00:22:01,305 --> 00:22:02,325 if I got Oh, nice. 526 00:22:02,585 --> 00:22:07,405 To finally wear what my cool sisters were wearing, you know? 527 00:22:07,465 --> 00:22:11,045 And so somehow she made that a magical thing 528 00:22:11,065 --> 00:22:12,765 and something that we looked forward to. 529 00:22:13,105 --> 00:22:14,645 - Oh, interesting. 'cause some kids, I mean, 530 00:22:14,835 --> 00:22:16,045 hand me downs can be a negative thing. 531 00:22:16,045 --> 00:22:18,005 Right. . But if you frame it right, 532 00:22:18,365 --> 00:22:19,365 - I know. 533 00:22:19,365 --> 00:22:20,965 Yeah. It's like, I don't know how she, I don't know 534 00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:22,885 how she framed it, but it, yeah, it worked. 535 00:22:23,145 --> 00:22:25,805 And, um, but I, it helps, you know, 536 00:22:25,825 --> 00:22:28,805 to have awesome older sisters. So 537 00:22:29,025 --> 00:22:31,285 - You mentioned your mother being in scouting 538 00:22:31,305 --> 00:22:32,405 as a, as a den mother. 539 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:34,325 I dunno if they called them that back then, but Oh yeah. 540 00:22:34,345 --> 00:22:37,285 Mother. Any specific callings that she had in the church 541 00:22:37,285 --> 00:22:38,365 that come to mind or, 542 00:22:38,715 --> 00:22:39,715 - Yeah. 543 00:22:39,715 --> 00:22:41,925 I don't remember a lot of callings in the ward, 544 00:22:41,945 --> 00:22:44,045 but she had, she sang 545 00:22:44,045 --> 00:22:45,885 with the Tabernacle Choir for Oh, really? 546 00:22:45,945 --> 00:22:48,125 20 years. 20 years. Yeah. 547 00:22:48,625 --> 00:22:53,605 And so, yeah, my dad was a big supporter of when she did 548 00:22:53,605 --> 00:22:55,565 that, and he would get us ready, 549 00:22:55,705 --> 00:22:57,205 or my older sisters, 550 00:22:57,505 --> 00:23:01,845 he would help my older sisters get us ready for church 551 00:23:02,145 --> 00:23:05,085 and, you know, 'cause he was a state president when, 552 00:23:05,435 --> 00:23:07,885 when I was young. So 553 00:23:08,585 --> 00:23:10,605 - Is that the time when she was in the Tabernacle 554 00:23:10,605 --> 00:23:11,765 Choir? Uhhuh. . Okay. Yeah. 555 00:23:11,865 --> 00:23:15,405 - And so anyway, she sang in the Tabernacle Choir 556 00:23:15,405 --> 00:23:16,525 and he just loved that. 557 00:23:16,665 --> 00:23:19,925 And we would sit and watch the broadcast and Oh wow. 558 00:23:20,185 --> 00:23:22,005 And look for mom and Uhhuh . 559 00:23:22,665 --> 00:23:24,165 - Wow. So 20 years, yeah. 560 00:23:24,165 --> 00:23:26,805 Doing that is that, I'm sure the rules have changed 561 00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:28,925 or how they handle that, but she just, that was, 562 00:23:28,925 --> 00:23:32,085 everybody gets 20 years and she was done, or what, what to 563 00:23:32,085 --> 00:23:33,085 - Stop. 564 00:23:33,085 --> 00:23:36,325 Well, actually her it is 20 years or a certain age. 565 00:23:36,635 --> 00:23:37,885 - Okay. - And both 566 00:23:37,885 --> 00:23:39,965 of those happened in the same year Oh, wow. 567 00:23:39,965 --> 00:23:41,085 For her. So that worked 568 00:23:41,085 --> 00:23:42,085 - Out. 569 00:23:42,085 --> 00:23:42,365 So she had her time and 570 00:23:42,365 --> 00:23:43,485 just worked out. Yeah. Wow. That's great. 571 00:23:43,485 --> 00:23:44,645 - Yeah. That's awesome. She had perfect 572 00:23:44,645 --> 00:23:45,805 timing on that. Yeah. 573 00:23:45,995 --> 00:23:47,485 - Awesome. I mean, 574 00:23:47,485 --> 00:23:49,765 you've had your own experience singing in choirs 575 00:23:50,185 --> 00:23:51,685 and that again, that's sort 576 00:23:51,685 --> 00:23:53,045 of a tie to your, to your mother, right? 577 00:23:53,425 --> 00:23:56,965 - Yes. I've enjoyed singing my whole life 578 00:23:57,305 --> 00:23:59,845 and I sang in community choir. 579 00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:04,365 And then the Utah Chamber Artists, I also sing Sopranos. 580 00:24:04,365 --> 00:24:07,125 So that's kind of a fun, cool connection with her and 581 00:24:07,155 --> 00:24:08,155 - Yeah. 582 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:09,205 And your sisters, do they sing? I've 583 00:24:09,205 --> 00:24:10,685 - Had a couple of sisters who have 584 00:24:10,805 --> 00:24:11,885 sung in the Tabernacle Choir. 585 00:24:12,025 --> 00:24:13,805 Oh, really? And a few of us, um, 586 00:24:13,835 --> 00:24:16,605 have sung in the Utah Chamber artists, so Oh, nice. 587 00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:19,965 Yeah. Or other community choirs and ward choir. 588 00:24:20,105 --> 00:24:23,565 We love, we love to sing and I love singing together. 589 00:24:23,705 --> 00:24:27,885 That's another thing my, my parents really did for us, 590 00:24:28,305 --> 00:24:31,045 and made music really special for us. 591 00:24:31,385 --> 00:24:34,245 And singing together, especially at Christmas time. 592 00:24:34,315 --> 00:24:38,205 It's one of the favorite things Yeah. That I love to do. 593 00:24:38,305 --> 00:24:41,765 And really sweet memories of singing together. 594 00:24:41,995 --> 00:24:45,605 Even with my two sisters who have passed away, 595 00:24:46,785 --> 00:24:49,485 uh, some of my favorite memories were, you know, 596 00:24:49,485 --> 00:24:52,925 we had a singing session, I guess it was 597 00:24:53,885 --> 00:24:55,015 like maybe five months 598 00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:57,455 before my sister Emily passed away, where we 599 00:24:58,055 --> 00:24:59,575 actually recorded Oh, wow. 600 00:24:59,715 --> 00:25:02,615 Us singing together because we knew, you know, 601 00:25:02,915 --> 00:25:04,535 she was in a fight for her life. 602 00:25:04,675 --> 00:25:06,735 And it was a time when she could sing. 603 00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:10,535 And, and so we just have loved singing. 604 00:25:10,735 --> 00:25:12,815 I love singing with my family. 605 00:25:12,955 --> 00:25:15,295 And if we can get the brother to sing with us, 606 00:25:15,595 --> 00:25:17,175 that's like the, that was my expression. 607 00:25:17,405 --> 00:25:19,495 Yeah. We'd love it when Russ can sing with 608 00:25:19,495 --> 00:25:20,495 - Us. 609 00:25:20,495 --> 00:25:21,615 He doesn't identify as a singer, maybe, 610 00:25:21,795 --> 00:25:24,895 or even though he maybe carry a note or he, 611 00:25:25,155 --> 00:25:28,695 - He can sing Well, yeah, but he doesn't sing often. I see 612 00:25:28,695 --> 00:25:29,855 - The - Passion with us anyway. 613 00:25:30,005 --> 00:25:32,575 - Yeah. - , maybe we should invite him more . 614 00:25:33,275 --> 00:25:36,015 But his wife has a beautiful voice and she sings with us. 615 00:25:36,435 --> 00:25:38,455 - Oh, perfect. Well, that, that works there. That's awesome. 616 00:25:39,315 --> 00:25:41,855 So I'm, I'm curious, just at home, like, you know, you, 617 00:25:41,875 --> 00:25:44,015 you hear stories of your father 618 00:25:44,275 --> 00:25:46,015 who operated on President Kimball. 619 00:25:46,435 --> 00:25:47,695 Do you remember, was that a thing? 620 00:25:47,715 --> 00:25:49,975 Did he like come home and say, I, hey, guess what kids? 621 00:25:50,095 --> 00:25:51,375 I, I'm operating on the profit 622 00:25:51,515 --> 00:25:53,815 or I, I obviously maybe there's certain, you know, 623 00:25:53,995 --> 00:25:55,375 you can't share medical stuff. 624 00:25:55,385 --> 00:25:56,855 HIPAA rules, HIPAA rules right hip, 625 00:25:57,235 --> 00:25:59,335 but I mean, do you remember that being a thing or? 626 00:26:00,335 --> 00:26:03,295 - I think I do remember it in the news. 627 00:26:03,575 --> 00:26:06,975 I remember more when we got to meet president 628 00:26:06,975 --> 00:26:09,495 and Sister Kimball, when he was general 629 00:26:09,495 --> 00:26:10,815 president of the Sunday School. 630 00:26:11,635 --> 00:26:13,975 We got to go to a Sunday school, 631 00:26:14,725 --> 00:26:16,895 general board Christmas party. 632 00:26:17,715 --> 00:26:20,095 And, um, we actually drove to the, 633 00:26:20,275 --> 00:26:21,815 the Kimble's home Oh, wow. 634 00:26:21,815 --> 00:26:24,135 And picked him up and got to drive him downtown. 635 00:26:24,715 --> 00:26:26,935 So my parents, and I don't know why 636 00:26:26,975 --> 00:26:28,095 I was in the car, . 637 00:26:28,175 --> 00:26:31,375 I mean, probably my brother and I were there. Yeah. But, 638 00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:33,335 - And were, I mean, you, that was pretty cool. 639 00:26:33,365 --> 00:26:34,855 Were you even a teenager yet at that point? 640 00:26:35,475 --> 00:26:37,095 - Yes, probably. - Oh, okay. . 641 00:26:37,115 --> 00:26:38,895 And so you were in the car just going with mom and dad 642 00:26:38,955 --> 00:26:40,295 and there's the prophet, right? Yeah. 643 00:26:40,295 --> 00:26:41,895 - Yeah, yeah. That was pretty special. 644 00:26:42,695 --> 00:26:46,365 - Interesting. How about just going in into, well, 645 00:26:46,365 --> 00:26:48,565 let me ask this question first is I'm just thinking of, 646 00:26:48,585 --> 00:26:50,765 you know, obviously we wanna honor your, your mother 647 00:26:50,825 --> 00:26:53,515 and obvious, I mean, she was incredible and, 648 00:26:53,535 --> 00:26:56,275 and you have so many fond memories and, you know, 649 00:26:56,415 --> 00:27:00,435 but in this Instagram age we live in where it's hard not to 650 00:27:01,465 --> 00:27:03,595 compare yourself, you know, especially as a mother 651 00:27:03,615 --> 00:27:05,515 to other mothers, they seem to have it all figured out. 652 00:27:05,515 --> 00:27:06,675 They did it all right. Yeah. 653 00:27:06,915 --> 00:27:08,355 I mean, how would your mom respond 654 00:27:08,355 --> 00:27:09,835 or how, how would you respond as far 655 00:27:09,835 --> 00:27:12,755 as if there's women listening feeling like, Ugh, you know, 656 00:27:12,915 --> 00:27:14,395 I just, I can't do it. 657 00:27:14,395 --> 00:27:15,635 Like the Nelsons, right. Like, 658 00:27:15,665 --> 00:27:17,435 obviously I'm sure she had weaknesses 659 00:27:17,535 --> 00:27:19,835 and things like that, but Yeah. How would you respond? 660 00:27:20,065 --> 00:27:22,315 - Join the club? Yeah. It's hard to live up to my mom. 661 00:27:22,445 --> 00:27:25,795 Right. . But we've 662 00:27:26,455 --> 00:27:30,635 not missed out on trials and, and hard things. 663 00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:33,195 And everyone's journey looks different. 664 00:27:33,935 --> 00:27:38,875 And I think that one thing that she did do well was just 665 00:27:38,975 --> 00:27:41,395 to, to know that we were loved 666 00:27:41,735 --> 00:27:44,315 and the grandchildren were loved and Mm-Hmm. 667 00:27:44,815 --> 00:27:48,995 No matter what they were doing or dealing with 668 00:27:49,255 --> 00:27:51,835 or doing or not doing . 669 00:27:51,865 --> 00:27:54,195 Yeah. You know, that they were loved 670 00:27:54,295 --> 00:27:57,635 and that they were loved by the family 671 00:27:57,855 --> 00:27:59,995 and that they were children of God. 672 00:28:00,055 --> 00:28:02,715 And so we try to pass that on to our kids. 673 00:28:02,815 --> 00:28:04,795 And man, you know, 674 00:28:04,935 --> 00:28:08,595 my parenting certainly didn't look the same as hers. 675 00:28:08,935 --> 00:28:13,155 And I just think she would say she knew all 676 00:28:13,155 --> 00:28:16,315 of her imperfections and that no one's perfect. 677 00:28:16,815 --> 00:28:20,955 And I have, you know, great memories of it probably. 678 00:28:21,115 --> 00:28:23,155 'cause I was like the little sister 679 00:28:23,375 --> 00:28:27,915 and had all the stars in the eyes for everybody. 680 00:28:27,975 --> 00:28:30,115 You know, I just love my family. And, but, 681 00:28:30,575 --> 00:28:31,635 - And she'd really figured out 682 00:28:31,635 --> 00:28:32,835 mothering at that point Right. 683 00:28:32,835 --> 00:28:34,035 With all the other siblings, 684 00:28:34,755 --> 00:28:35,755 - I guess. 685 00:28:35,755 --> 00:28:37,515 Yeah. But yeah, even when, you know, 686 00:28:37,515 --> 00:28:41,195 even when I was a mother and I would be having troubles 687 00:28:41,195 --> 00:28:44,675 or worries and I would ask her, you know, 688 00:28:44,745 --> 00:28:48,675 what her thoughts were, you know, she never was judgmental 689 00:28:48,895 --> 00:28:53,515 or I just feel like she would say, you know, 690 00:28:53,835 --> 00:28:55,155 everyone has their strengths 691 00:28:55,295 --> 00:28:57,475 and everybody has their weaknesses 692 00:28:57,735 --> 00:28:59,835 and we're all just learning and Yeah. 693 00:29:00,295 --> 00:29:01,955 And that, that's part of the journey. 694 00:29:02,535 --> 00:29:04,515 And of course it's not gonna look the same. 695 00:29:04,855 --> 00:29:08,035 And we were far from perfect . Yeah. Yeah. 696 00:29:08,155 --> 00:29:10,915 I set up a lot of the fun, happy memories. 697 00:29:10,935 --> 00:29:14,395 But, you know, there's hard things too. 698 00:29:14,695 --> 00:29:18,155 And, you know, having, she wasn't alive when, 699 00:29:18,665 --> 00:29:22,075 when I got divorced, but she was alive when my 700 00:29:22,075 --> 00:29:23,355 oldest sister got divorced. 701 00:29:23,895 --> 00:29:27,315 And, and, you know, hard times, you know, come 702 00:29:27,335 --> 00:29:30,035 and not every, not everything goes easy. 703 00:29:30,225 --> 00:29:34,915 Yeah. And you know, they had my sister pass away from cancer 704 00:29:35,665 --> 00:29:37,235 when she was just quite young. 705 00:29:37,265 --> 00:29:39,435 Yeah. She's 39, my sister. Oh, wow. 706 00:29:39,935 --> 00:29:43,085 And my mom had just come through cancer treatment. 707 00:29:43,105 --> 00:29:45,165 She had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma 708 00:29:45,905 --> 00:29:49,805 and was undergoing chemo at the same time as Oh wow. 709 00:29:49,945 --> 00:29:52,805 As my sister. And I know that was really hard on her 710 00:29:53,275 --> 00:29:55,445 that she survived and my sister didn't. 711 00:29:55,875 --> 00:29:57,845 That was hard for her. Yeah. 712 00:29:58,355 --> 00:30:02,725 - Yeah. - I just think she'd be the first to tell everyone, 713 00:30:02,945 --> 00:30:05,245 you know, her shortcomings. Sure. 714 00:30:05,765 --> 00:30:06,965 - I, one of my favorite stories 715 00:30:06,965 --> 00:30:10,085 that your father told when he was called as an apostle was 716 00:30:10,085 --> 00:30:11,245 that, uh, one 717 00:30:11,245 --> 00:30:13,245 of your sisters went into labor when they found out 718 00:30:13,305 --> 00:30:14,725 he was called as apostle. Right. 719 00:30:14,915 --> 00:30:16,565 - That was my sister Emily. Oh, okay. 720 00:30:16,715 --> 00:30:19,605 - Yeah. Nice. And, uh, but what's your story? 721 00:30:19,605 --> 00:30:21,365 What do you remember of finding out that your, 722 00:30:21,595 --> 00:30:23,485 your father had been called as an apostle? 723 00:30:24,235 --> 00:30:27,365 - Well, I happened to be with them down at the Tabernacle, 724 00:30:27,425 --> 00:30:30,925 and my brother and I drove down there with him. 725 00:30:31,025 --> 00:30:34,165 My mom was, had gone down earlier Fruit choir. 726 00:30:35,065 --> 00:30:37,165 So we were there in the tabernacle. 727 00:30:37,305 --> 00:30:39,485 - So your mom was in the Tabernacle Choir. . Okay. 728 00:30:39,595 --> 00:30:40,725 Yeah. Interesting. 729 00:30:41,195 --> 00:30:44,765 - Yeah, we drove down there with my dad and um, 730 00:30:45,305 --> 00:30:47,605 - And you were a teenager at this point or? Yeah. Okay. 731 00:30:48,085 --> 00:30:49,685 - I think I was 18. 732 00:30:50,465 --> 00:30:52,285 So we were sitting, 733 00:30:52,505 --> 00:30:55,205 he was a regional representative at the time, which 734 00:30:55,205 --> 00:30:57,005 - Is similar to like a area authority, right? 735 00:30:57,005 --> 00:30:58,405 Yeah. Mm-Hmm. area 70 mm-Hmm. . 736 00:30:58,475 --> 00:31:01,685 - Yeah. Serving down in the BYU area. 737 00:31:02,585 --> 00:31:06,245 And so we sat there with him 738 00:31:06,855 --> 00:31:08,445 under the balcony there, 739 00:31:08,445 --> 00:31:10,005 where they were all sitting together and then, 740 00:31:10,585 --> 00:31:12,365 and they just called his name. 741 00:31:12,475 --> 00:31:15,045 Like they just read his name in order, you know, 742 00:31:15,355 --> 00:31:16,765 like they don't say, Hey, 743 00:31:16,765 --> 00:31:18,685 and we're gonna announce Yeah. Two new 744 00:31:18,945 --> 00:31:20,645 - Him and then D Oaks. Right, right. Two 745 00:31:20,645 --> 00:31:21,645 - New apostles. 746 00:31:21,645 --> 00:31:23,485 No, it was just, they read through the line and Russell 747 00:31:23,585 --> 00:31:25,605 and Nelson and DH Oaks, . 748 00:31:25,625 --> 00:31:27,885 - So at this point you had no idea, you're just like, oh, 749 00:31:27,885 --> 00:31:29,165 going to conference Yeah. 750 00:31:29,165 --> 00:31:30,925 With dad and mom. Right. Yeah. 751 00:31:31,195 --> 00:31:33,405 They didn't give you heads up or anything, huh? No. 752 00:31:33,585 --> 00:31:35,965 - Wow. No, my dad's very obedient. Yeah. 753 00:31:36,805 --> 00:31:39,765 I don't think he had permission to tell his children. 754 00:31:40,665 --> 00:31:41,965 - And so they were, - He could tell my 755 00:31:41,965 --> 00:31:43,085 mom, but not the kids. 756 00:31:43,465 --> 00:31:45,165 - Wow. And that's when your sister went 757 00:31:45,165 --> 00:31:46,845 into labor 'cause she didn't know either. Right, right. 758 00:31:46,845 --> 00:31:48,725 - None of us knew. It was - Kinda shellshock there. 759 00:31:48,755 --> 00:31:51,725 - Yeah. - So then it was your dad sitting with you then? 760 00:31:51,725 --> 00:31:52,925 Yeah. Yeah. And then he went up to the, 761 00:31:52,985 --> 00:31:54,245 the stand and there it was. 762 00:31:54,245 --> 00:31:55,245 Yeah. Mm-Hmm. the rest 763 00:31:55,245 --> 00:31:56,765 of your life has changed Right. 764 00:31:56,765 --> 00:31:59,685 Or rest of his life at least. Right. Right. Wow. Wow. 765 00:31:59,745 --> 00:32:02,725 And then what do you remember about your, your mother, 766 00:32:02,835 --> 00:32:03,925 like learning that, 767 00:32:03,925 --> 00:32:05,445 or adjusting to life now 768 00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:08,085 that since she's thrust into this really heavy 769 00:32:08,085 --> 00:32:12,325 administrative life of a traveling husband as an apostle 770 00:32:12,345 --> 00:32:14,205 and, and doing all the apostle things, 771 00:32:14,235 --> 00:32:15,245 what do you remember about your Yeah. 772 00:32:15,305 --> 00:32:16,445 How your mom adjusted to that? 773 00:32:16,955 --> 00:32:19,005 - Yeah. I, I think that, you know, 774 00:32:19,025 --> 00:32:21,285 she still had the two of us at home. 775 00:32:21,485 --> 00:32:24,845 I was a senior in high school and, and my brother was six 776 00:32:24,865 --> 00:32:26,125 and a half years younger than me. 777 00:32:26,345 --> 00:32:30,165 So sometimes she would travel with them quite a bit 778 00:32:30,725 --> 00:32:33,645 actually, when they would go, when you'd go internationally 779 00:32:33,825 --> 00:32:37,965 or over a longer period of time, she would go. 780 00:32:37,985 --> 00:32:41,125 And so I know that was an adjustment for her to have 781 00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:43,125 to start speaking and Oh, yeah. 782 00:32:43,425 --> 00:32:44,885 You know, preparing talks 783 00:32:45,025 --> 00:32:46,805 and I mean, she is a good, 784 00:32:47,025 --> 00:32:50,965 she is a good teacher in relief society or wherever she was, 785 00:32:51,105 --> 00:32:55,925 but she, you know, that was kind of new to always have, 786 00:32:56,545 --> 00:32:57,965 you know, talks again. 787 00:32:58,155 --> 00:33:00,685 - Yeah. Did, is that something that she sort of fretted over 788 00:33:00,745 --> 00:33:04,005 or was nervous about or she just sort of leaned in into? 789 00:33:04,485 --> 00:33:06,645 - I think she just kind of leaned in and did it. Yeah. 790 00:33:06,665 --> 00:33:09,445 She wasn't much of a complainer or Yeah. 791 00:33:09,865 --> 00:33:12,005 We wouldn't know externally. 792 00:33:13,195 --> 00:33:14,975 I'm much worse at hiding 793 00:33:14,975 --> 00:33:17,055 that when I'm freaking out about something. 794 00:33:17,455 --> 00:33:20,775 my mom is pretty calm demeanor and, 795 00:33:21,915 --> 00:33:24,615 but yeah, she, I think that was new for her, 796 00:33:24,615 --> 00:33:28,165 but she just loved, um, learning about 797 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:32,085 different cultures and, and meeting people. 798 00:33:33,445 --> 00:33:35,695 - Yeah. - And, you know, visiting 799 00:33:35,725 --> 00:33:37,935 with saints all over the world. Mm-Hmm. , 800 00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:40,255 - How would you describe your relationship with her as a, 801 00:33:40,515 --> 00:33:42,415 as a young adult or now as an adult? 802 00:33:43,975 --> 00:33:45,515 - Oh, she was just great. 803 00:33:45,715 --> 00:33:48,835 I just always loved talking to my mom and . 804 00:33:49,755 --> 00:33:52,195 I mean, I don't know how many calls she had from 805 00:33:52,215 --> 00:33:53,435 her children every day. 806 00:33:53,835 --> 00:33:56,915 how much time she had left for, uh, anything else. 807 00:33:57,255 --> 00:33:58,955 But, um, I loved 808 00:33:59,195 --> 00:34:01,515 whenever I could get a chance to talk to her 809 00:34:01,575 --> 00:34:04,115 and, you know, pick her brain on this or that 810 00:34:04,255 --> 00:34:08,955 or how to, you know, what was her opinion on, you know, 811 00:34:08,955 --> 00:34:10,475 like, how do you cook this 812 00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:14,875 or how do you fix that, mend this, you know, type of thing. 813 00:34:14,925 --> 00:34:16,515 She's an excellent seamstress 814 00:34:16,515 --> 00:34:20,195 and so I always loved getting advice from her 815 00:34:20,295 --> 00:34:23,715 and I'd often have to really draw it out of her. 816 00:34:24,095 --> 00:34:26,995 She was not like, overbearing with 817 00:34:27,615 --> 00:34:32,515 my parents were very much hands-off once we were married 818 00:34:32,695 --> 00:34:35,195 and, you know, building our own life. 819 00:34:35,345 --> 00:34:36,675 They were, yeah. 820 00:34:36,785 --> 00:34:39,715 They just expressed great confidence in us being able 821 00:34:39,775 --> 00:34:43,355 to only you'll, I know you'll do, I know you'll do it right, 822 00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:44,675 or I know you'll do it well. 823 00:34:45,555 --> 00:34:47,835 'cause, you know, we'd try to get their opinion on something 824 00:34:47,895 --> 00:34:50,835 and just like they were, 825 00:34:50,865 --> 00:34:53,715 they were not like dropping it all the time, like 826 00:34:54,265 --> 00:34:55,835 micromanaging Yeah. Our lives. 827 00:34:55,895 --> 00:34:57,795 - So Yeah. They got you to this point. You can handle the 828 00:34:57,955 --> 00:35:00,075 - Restroom like you're, you're intelligent 829 00:35:00,215 --> 00:35:03,275 and you're, you know, you can do this and you've got this. 830 00:35:03,375 --> 00:35:05,675 And I think a lot of just their 831 00:35:06,485 --> 00:35:09,115 confidence in us gave us a lot of confidence. 832 00:35:09,815 --> 00:35:11,555 Oh, well maybe I can do it 833 00:35:11,555 --> 00:35:12,635 Yeah. If they believe in me. 834 00:35:12,865 --> 00:35:14,915 - Yeah. That's cool. Just with her temperament in, 835 00:35:14,935 --> 00:35:17,075 in general, what stories come to mind? 836 00:35:17,655 --> 00:35:21,715 - Oh, she was just so calm and even keeled. 837 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,275 It was hard to get her riled up about 838 00:35:25,455 --> 00:35:28,755 mad at anything, but, and she was just so patient 839 00:35:29,415 --> 00:35:32,315 and she just understood we were children 840 00:35:32,855 --> 00:35:34,515 and little humans 841 00:35:34,735 --> 00:35:37,325 and not little adults that were trying to 842 00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:39,285 vex her, you know, Uhhuh . 843 00:35:39,465 --> 00:35:41,405 She just was really patient 844 00:35:41,865 --> 00:35:44,245 and she was a really good seamstress. 845 00:35:44,265 --> 00:35:47,085 One when my sister was getting married 846 00:35:47,225 --> 00:35:52,005 and my mom was creating, she was sewing all 847 00:35:52,005 --> 00:35:55,045 of the bridesmaid dresses and My goodness. 848 00:35:55,265 --> 00:35:58,805 Wow. For every wedding, for all of our weddings. And, 849 00:35:58,905 --> 00:36:00,365 - And all the sisters were the bridesmaid. 850 00:36:00,385 --> 00:36:02,645 So she, she had at least, uh, eight dresses 851 00:36:02,825 --> 00:36:03,925 to, to sew. Right. 852 00:36:03,925 --> 00:36:08,205 - Yeah. Yeah. And I remember for this one, these dresses, 853 00:36:08,355 --> 00:36:11,205 they were so pretty, like, okay, youngest girl, again, 854 00:36:11,885 --> 00:36:13,285 Pretty dresses, 855 00:36:14,025 --> 00:36:18,165 but they had several panels that got sewn together. 856 00:36:18,305 --> 00:36:21,125 So it was a long piece that went from the top 857 00:36:21,145 --> 00:36:22,245 to the bottom of the dress. 858 00:36:22,245 --> 00:36:24,685 And then it was sewn, you know, as seams down. 859 00:36:25,425 --> 00:36:29,565 And I think she had probably seven of the eight 860 00:36:30,195 --> 00:36:32,565 bridesmaids dresses done. 861 00:36:33,345 --> 00:36:35,725 And we had gone out somewhere. 862 00:36:35,785 --> 00:36:39,245 And then we came home and we came downstairs 863 00:36:39,345 --> 00:36:42,085 and my little brother had taken a pair of scissors. 864 00:36:42,425 --> 00:36:45,245 He was just little, probably like five or something 865 00:36:46,505 --> 00:36:48,005 and taken scissors 866 00:36:48,005 --> 00:36:50,445 and just cut up several of the panels, 867 00:36:50,445 --> 00:36:52,725 like right in the middle of the panel . Oh 868 00:36:52,725 --> 00:36:53,725 - My goodness. 869 00:36:54,305 --> 00:36:56,325 - And we all just froze. 870 00:36:56,945 --> 00:37:00,485 And my mom just said, oh look, he was trying 871 00:37:00,485 --> 00:37:01,645 to help . 872 00:37:03,425 --> 00:37:05,285 - Oh - My goodness. He's been seeing me, you know, 873 00:37:05,285 --> 00:37:06,325 cutting the fabric. 874 00:37:06,625 --> 00:37:08,525 And I'll tell you what, 875 00:37:08,525 --> 00:37:12,205 that would not have been my reaction for my kids. Right. 876 00:37:12,205 --> 00:37:13,725 - Yeah. So, wow. 877 00:37:13,825 --> 00:37:15,965 Did she rest assured, did she fix the dresses 878 00:37:16,105 --> 00:37:18,805 or it was like a fashion statement? . 879 00:37:19,635 --> 00:37:21,085 - Yeah. I'm sure she fixed it. 880 00:37:21,305 --> 00:37:23,685 I'm sure she probably had to go get more fabric 881 00:37:23,745 --> 00:37:25,565 or whatever to, to repair it. 882 00:37:25,625 --> 00:37:29,685 But yeah, she just was unflappable 883 00:37:30,025 --> 00:37:31,965 and wow that kind of stuff. 884 00:37:32,115 --> 00:37:35,445 Awesome. She just understood that like she could just kind 885 00:37:35,445 --> 00:37:37,685 of relate how children feel. 886 00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:40,125 Like she just was really good that way. Yeah. 887 00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:41,405 That's awesome. Very patient, . 888 00:37:41,405 --> 00:37:44,565 - That's awesome. So, I mean, your mother was alive 889 00:37:44,665 --> 00:37:47,405 around 20 years of years, 890 00:37:47,405 --> 00:37:49,445 the time your father was in apostle. 891 00:37:49,905 --> 00:37:51,085 Any other story or thought 892 00:37:51,185 --> 00:37:53,005 or about her life during that time? 893 00:37:53,765 --> 00:37:57,205 - I just think she enjoyed their time traveling 894 00:37:57,505 --> 00:37:59,765 and they would bring us home 895 00:38:00,655 --> 00:38:02,725 dolls from the different places. 896 00:38:02,865 --> 00:38:07,005 Oh yeah. That they, that's cool. Visited or like a doll. 897 00:38:07,005 --> 00:38:10,165 They brought home a doll, like to display 898 00:38:10,265 --> 00:38:15,045 or to show us, to kind of show us the different cultures 899 00:38:15,385 --> 00:38:18,005 and things that they were learning and seeing. 900 00:38:18,345 --> 00:38:22,245 And then she started putting it together on a Christmas 901 00:38:22,245 --> 00:38:23,725 tree every Christmas. 902 00:38:24,145 --> 00:38:26,605 Uh, one of the, like the tree 903 00:38:27,435 --> 00:38:29,765 back in the family room would be one with all 904 00:38:29,765 --> 00:38:33,205 of our little ornaments, uh, we had made and our pictures 905 00:38:33,465 --> 00:38:34,525 and all that stuff. 906 00:38:35,145 --> 00:38:37,805 And then in the front room we started having a tree 907 00:38:38,275 --> 00:38:40,085 that had, that she decorated 908 00:38:40,085 --> 00:38:42,845 with all these dolls from around the world. 909 00:38:43,025 --> 00:38:44,605 Oh, great. And it made it really special. 910 00:38:45,025 --> 00:38:48,365 And I remember when, maybe it was 911 00:38:48,365 --> 00:38:51,485 after she passed away, we were trying to figure out 912 00:38:51,545 --> 00:38:55,165 how we would distribute these dolls, you know, 913 00:38:55,225 --> 00:38:56,525 how, how that was gonna happen. 914 00:38:56,625 --> 00:39:01,045 And we had all the granddaughters choose a doll Oh, wow. 915 00:39:01,115 --> 00:39:03,365 From the, you know, collection. And so Oh wow. 916 00:39:03,715 --> 00:39:06,365 That was a really special way to kind 917 00:39:06,365 --> 00:39:08,565 of tie the generations together that way too. 918 00:39:08,785 --> 00:39:11,925 - I'm sure they'll keep passing those down. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 919 00:39:12,045 --> 00:39:13,125 That's great. Awesome. 920 00:39:13,465 --> 00:39:14,845 You know, obviously from, 921 00:39:15,165 --> 00:39:16,485 I remember your father telling the story 922 00:39:16,485 --> 00:39:18,205 of your mother passing in in general 923 00:39:18,205 --> 00:39:19,405 conference and it was very sudden. 924 00:39:19,995 --> 00:39:22,805 What do you remember? Just, you know, I'm just thinking 925 00:39:22,805 --> 00:39:25,005 of other families out there who lose, lose a loved one 926 00:39:25,005 --> 00:39:26,205 or a parent suddenly. 927 00:39:26,635 --> 00:39:28,405 Like what do you remember as far as what pulled you through 928 00:39:28,405 --> 00:39:30,965 that, how you processed that more than that? 929 00:39:31,085 --> 00:39:32,205 I mean, what comes to mind is, 930 00:39:32,205 --> 00:39:33,405 uh, when you think of her passing 931 00:39:33,915 --> 00:39:37,685 - Yeah, that was, ooh, that was a hard thing. 932 00:39:37,835 --> 00:39:40,845 That was a really hard time in my life. 933 00:39:41,565 --> 00:39:44,365 'cause again, she was such a big, just the heart 934 00:39:44,365 --> 00:39:47,045 of our home, and that was, yeah. 935 00:39:47,045 --> 00:39:48,045 It was very sudden. 936 00:39:48,305 --> 00:39:51,405 So you don't get that time for closure and Yeah. 937 00:39:52,305 --> 00:39:56,325 But one thing that was always really comforting was that 938 00:39:57,025 --> 00:39:59,725 we always told each other we love each other. 939 00:40:00,155 --> 00:40:02,885 Like, she knew that we loved her. Yeah. 940 00:40:02,885 --> 00:40:04,165 And we knew that she loved us. 941 00:40:04,345 --> 00:40:08,605 And so that wasn't just an unspoken like, oh, 942 00:40:08,645 --> 00:40:10,005 I wonder how she felt about me. 943 00:40:10,145 --> 00:40:11,325 So that was helpful. 944 00:40:11,945 --> 00:40:16,845 But just feeling the literal comforter 945 00:40:17,425 --> 00:40:21,165 and the prayers of people buoying us up 946 00:40:21,505 --> 00:40:24,325 and lifting us up through that time, that was, 947 00:40:25,155 --> 00:40:26,485 that was so hard. 948 00:40:26,825 --> 00:40:31,165 And even though you know, the plan of 949 00:40:31,685 --> 00:40:34,965 salvation and that you're going to see each other again, 950 00:40:35,715 --> 00:40:38,085 that is right to mourn. 951 00:40:38,585 --> 00:40:42,685 You know, God told us that, that we live together in love 952 00:40:43,025 --> 00:40:47,605 so much that we mourn and weep for those who die. 953 00:40:47,905 --> 00:40:50,525 And it's, that's really natural. 954 00:40:51,185 --> 00:40:52,605 But I just remember feeling 955 00:40:53,305 --> 00:40:55,725 so much love coming in from other people 956 00:40:56,345 --> 00:40:57,565 and their appreciation 957 00:40:57,665 --> 00:41:01,845 and their hearing people's stories of 958 00:41:02,375 --> 00:41:04,325 their experience with my mom. 959 00:41:04,865 --> 00:41:07,885 And even to this day, anybody who knew her. 960 00:41:08,065 --> 00:41:10,325 You know, anybody who says, oh, I knew your mother 961 00:41:10,465 --> 00:41:11,685 and we did this and this. 962 00:41:11,745 --> 00:41:16,245 And I just love, you know, hearing other people's experience 963 00:41:16,265 --> 00:41:18,525 and that other people remember her. 964 00:41:18,585 --> 00:41:22,085 You know? So I think a lot of that is helpful when 965 00:41:22,625 --> 00:41:26,685 you're going through those, that lost time is to connect 966 00:41:26,755 --> 00:41:29,445 with people's stories. Yeah. You know? 967 00:41:29,595 --> 00:41:31,365 - Yeah. I think that's a powerful principle of 968 00:41:31,755 --> 00:41:33,805 what an honor it is to, you know, 969 00:41:33,915 --> 00:41:36,085 sometimes it's hard when somebody lose some, especially, 970 00:41:36,085 --> 00:41:37,605 so suddenly, what do I say? 971 00:41:37,825 --> 00:41:39,125 Do I, you know, what if I say the wrong thing? 972 00:41:39,385 --> 00:41:42,685 But to just share those moments of how they impacted 973 00:41:43,315 --> 00:41:45,125 your life, you know that as an individual, 974 00:41:45,185 --> 00:41:46,405 and that will mean a lot for, 975 00:41:46,545 --> 00:41:48,285 for the family, right. Yeah. They hear that 976 00:41:48,355 --> 00:41:51,645 - Because you learn how they interacted with other people 977 00:41:51,945 --> 00:41:54,485 and how, you know, what they did 978 00:41:54,505 --> 00:41:57,645 or their qualities that were special to other people. Yeah. 979 00:41:57,905 --> 00:41:59,245 - That's powerful. Great. 980 00:41:59,245 --> 00:42:02,205 Well, um, let's, I guess as far as wrapping up, the, 981 00:42:02,205 --> 00:42:04,605 the book that you put together to, you know, really is 982 00:42:04,745 --> 00:42:06,445 to honor your mother's putting on the moon, 983 00:42:06,625 --> 00:42:07,885 and if people wanna check it out 984 00:42:07,885 --> 00:42:09,605 or get it, was is there a certain 985 00:42:09,615 --> 00:42:10,885 place you would send them or, 986 00:42:11,235 --> 00:42:13,965 - Well, they're, it's available at a lot 987 00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:18,645 of the Deseret books, but also on my website, 988 00:42:18,965 --> 00:42:20,365 marjorie lauder.com 989 00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:23,645 and, you know, if you want me to sign it or whatever, yeah. 990 00:42:23,895 --> 00:42:26,485 Order it there and I can sign up for you. Awesome. 991 00:42:26,995 --> 00:42:29,565 - Perfect. Now the, the cool thing about the book 992 00:42:29,565 --> 00:42:31,805 that definitely people just check out is on the, 993 00:42:31,985 --> 00:42:34,205 is it the very back or on the last page, right? 994 00:42:34,225 --> 00:42:36,005 Mm-Hmm. . There is a QR code. 995 00:42:36,185 --> 00:42:39,205 And maybe explain how that works or what, what it is, or, 996 00:42:39,345 --> 00:42:41,205 or why you have a QR code in the back. Yeah. 997 00:42:41,345 --> 00:42:42,445 - Why have a QR code 998 00:42:42,875 --> 00:42:46,045 that stemmed from earlier on when I was gonna do 999 00:42:46,825 --> 00:42:49,125 the first time around when I was gonna try 1000 00:42:49,125 --> 00:42:50,645 to illustrate this book 1001 00:42:51,545 --> 00:42:54,765 and try to make it come I was gonna put a DVD 1002 00:42:54,985 --> 00:42:56,525 No, what did they used to be called? 1003 00:42:57,025 --> 00:43:00,405 - Cd. Oh, CD back in the day. Yeah. 1004 00:43:00,585 --> 00:43:05,365 - Way back when. The music CD of the song. Right. 1005 00:43:05,645 --> 00:43:09,085 I was gonna put it in a sleeve in the back of the book. 1006 00:43:09,305 --> 00:43:11,765 And so then when I decided to do a board book 1007 00:43:11,825 --> 00:43:15,285 and by the time it, I actually created it, 1008 00:43:16,155 --> 00:43:17,965 then QR codes were a thing. 1009 00:43:17,965 --> 00:43:20,725 Yeah. And we can scan a QR code 1010 00:43:20,905 --> 00:43:24,925 and you can hear my mom actually singing the song. 1011 00:43:25,105 --> 00:43:28,685 That's awesome. Uh, thanks to my sister Brenda, who one year 1012 00:43:28,705 --> 00:43:32,245 for Christmas had my mom sing a bunch of her, 1013 00:43:32,595 --> 00:43:34,285 like the repertoire 1014 00:43:34,625 --> 00:43:37,925 and also, um, a bunch of primary songs 1015 00:43:38,545 --> 00:43:40,205 and recorded it for us 1016 00:43:40,345 --> 00:43:42,485 and gave it to us as a gift for Christmas. 1017 00:43:42,545 --> 00:43:43,965 - Oh. And now that's just priceless. 1018 00:43:44,065 --> 00:43:45,365 - And so it's such a treasure. 1019 00:43:45,625 --> 00:43:47,925 And, and that's another note too, to, 1020 00:43:48,705 --> 00:43:51,125 if you have those special kind of traditions 1021 00:43:51,305 --> 00:43:55,045 and things that you share together to record 'em 1022 00:43:55,425 --> 00:43:57,045 or to, to save them 1023 00:43:57,045 --> 00:43:58,845 and what a meaningful gift that was for us. 1024 00:43:59,025 --> 00:44:02,285 And that just keeps giving for the generations. 1025 00:44:02,675 --> 00:44:05,005 - Yeah. I think we mentioned earlier, you, you illustrated, 1026 00:44:05,185 --> 00:44:06,645 and these are all painted, right? 1027 00:44:06,665 --> 00:44:08,205 Yes. All the illustrations that you did. 1028 00:44:08,585 --> 00:44:09,885 So you didn't only of color. Yeah. 1029 00:44:10,185 --> 00:44:12,245 So, I mean, what was that experience like? ? 1030 00:44:12,545 --> 00:44:14,365 - It was fun. It was really fun 1031 00:44:14,465 --> 00:44:16,725 and took me a long time. Yeah. 1032 00:44:16,985 --> 00:44:18,645 - And most people, kids do. - 'cause I'm slow. Yeah. 1033 00:44:18,645 --> 00:44:21,765 Well, I'm a slow painter, but it was really fun. 1034 00:44:21,835 --> 00:44:23,645 Very joyful to do it as well. 1035 00:44:23,785 --> 00:44:25,005 That's awesome. Had a lot of fun. 1036 00:44:25,235 --> 00:44:28,285 - Well, what a wonderful way to honor your mother, 1037 00:44:28,385 --> 00:44:29,645 Danzel White Nelson. 1038 00:44:30,725 --> 00:44:32,845 Anything else we missed? Story, concept? We do pretty good. 1039 00:44:33,105 --> 00:44:36,245 - Thanks for a chance to chat about her. Yeah. , 1040 00:44:36,425 --> 00:44:38,405 - Do you wanna sing it or are you 1041 00:44:38,405 --> 00:44:39,445 not comfortable with that right now? 1042 00:44:39,445 --> 00:44:41,605 Or what do you think? Oh, sure. You, so you'll, 1043 00:44:41,605 --> 00:44:43,765 you'll sing the, just probably 1044 00:44:43,765 --> 00:44:44,845 sounding just like your mother then. 1045 00:44:44,845 --> 00:44:45,885 Right. And we'll end with that. 1046 00:44:46,505 --> 00:44:48,045 - So I called it pudding on the moon, 1047 00:44:48,045 --> 00:44:50,365 because you'll get it. It's rice pudding. 1048 00:44:50,555 --> 00:44:53,445 - Okay. , - Not like pudding on the 1049 00:44:53,515 --> 00:44:55,045 reds, , you know what I'm saying? 1050 00:44:55,075 --> 00:44:56,165 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. 1051 00:44:57,115 --> 00:45:00,065 There was an old woman who lived in the moon. 1052 00:45:00,645 --> 00:45:03,745 She baked a rice pudding, but cut it too soon 1053 00:45:04,135 --> 00:45:05,705 because it was not done. 1054 00:45:06,325 --> 00:45:07,505 She gave it a throw. 1055 00:45:08,525 --> 00:45:11,745 It came to our planet and we call it snow. 1056 00:45:12,495 --> 00:45:15,665 When the little boy saw what his mother had done, 1057 00:45:16,525 --> 00:45:19,425 he made such a frown that it clouded the sun. 1058 00:45:20,325 --> 00:45:23,745 He lost his dear pudding. He cried all in vain. 1059 00:45:24,735 --> 00:45:28,235 His tears fell in Torrance, and we call it rain. 1060 00:45:29,825 --> 00:45:33,035 When the man in the moon who had been off to town 1061 00:45:33,895 --> 00:45:36,875 saw his boy crying, caused him to frown, 1062 00:45:37,775 --> 00:45:41,475 he gave him some candy and told him to dine. 1063 00:45:42,335 --> 00:45:46,595 Now everyone was happy. And we call it sunshine 1064 00:45:55,455 --> 00:45:56,455 - The end. 1065 00:45:56,455 --> 00:45:58,195 That's it for this Leading Saints episode. 1066 00:45:58,475 --> 00:45:59,675 I encourage you to check out some 1067 00:45:59,675 --> 00:46:01,475 of the most popular episodes of the podcast 1068 00:46:01,545 --> 00:46:04,035 that we list at the bottom of the show notes. 1069 00:46:04,535 --> 00:46:06,875 If you haven't listened to all of those, do so now. 1070 00:46:07,615 --> 00:46:10,155 And remember, grab your copy of my new book, 1071 00:46:10,335 --> 00:46:12,715 is God Disappointed In Me on Amazon 1072 00:46:12,815 --> 00:46:14,355 or in select Costco stores? 1073 00:46:24,335 --> 00:46:27,595 - It came as a result of the position of leadership, 1074 00:46:27,605 --> 00:46:31,355 which was imposed upon us by the God of Heaven, 1075 00:46:31,535 --> 00:46:34,835 who brought forth a restoration of the gospel 1076 00:46:35,055 --> 00:46:36,275 of Jesus Christ. 1077 00:46:36,935 --> 00:46:40,595 And when the Declaration was made concerning the only, 1078 00:46:41,145 --> 00:46:44,435 only true and living church upon the face of the earth, 1079 00:46:45,215 --> 00:46:48,635 we were immediately put in a position of loneliness. 1080 00:46:48,855 --> 00:46:50,555 The loneliness of leadership 1081 00:46:51,065 --> 00:46:53,915 from which we cannot shrink nor run away. 1082 00:46:54,815 --> 00:46:58,595 And to which we must face up with boldness and courage 1083 00:46:59,295 --> 00:47:00,075 and ability.