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You're gonna love it. 37 00:01:45,035 --> 00:01:46,485 Welcome back to another episode 38 00:01:46,485 --> 00:01:48,365 of the Leading Saints Podcast and today, 39 00:01:48,365 --> 00:01:50,165 and welcome you in Steve Wheelwright. 40 00:01:50,225 --> 00:01:52,565 How are you? Terrific. How are you? Good. 41 00:01:52,785 --> 00:01:55,325 Now, many people may not realize we'll need a link to this, 42 00:01:55,325 --> 00:01:57,005 but we've done an interview before, 43 00:01:57,025 --> 00:01:58,125 but just not this podcast. 44 00:01:58,215 --> 00:02:00,525 Right? Right. , we talked, uh, that was 45 00:02:00,525 --> 00:02:02,285 for the latter day Saint BA podcast. 46 00:02:02,285 --> 00:02:05,045 Right. We talked about your time as, uh, your president 47 00:02:05,045 --> 00:02:08,405 of BYU Hawaii for many years, and you're at Harvard 48 00:02:08,545 --> 00:02:11,565 and I mean just your business career and all things. 49 00:02:11,625 --> 00:02:12,645 And so we'll link to that. Yeah. 50 00:02:12,645 --> 00:02:13,805 If people really wanna dig in there. 51 00:02:13,945 --> 00:02:15,325 So, but we're, we're back. 52 00:02:15,545 --> 00:02:18,245 But not to talk about you for the most part. That's right. 53 00:02:18,245 --> 00:02:19,845 Thank goodness. . Nice. 54 00:02:19,945 --> 00:02:21,765 Now you are, what's your role 55 00:02:21,765 --> 00:02:23,085 with the Wilford Woodruff Papers? 56 00:02:23,785 --> 00:02:25,205 I'm an advisor. Okay. 57 00:02:25,205 --> 00:02:28,005 And I'm involved in the fundraising side. Nice. 58 00:02:28,605 --> 00:02:32,405 I basically an ex-officio member of the board . Okay. 59 00:02:32,705 --> 00:02:34,045 All right. Now, I think many, 60 00:02:34,605 --> 00:02:35,885 probably most Latter Day Saints are familiar 61 00:02:35,885 --> 00:02:38,085 with Joseph Smith papers that, you know, they've been going 62 00:02:38,185 --> 00:02:40,005 so long, just concluded that effort. 63 00:02:40,385 --> 00:02:42,125 So what are the Wilfred Woodruff papers? 64 00:02:42,545 --> 00:02:45,245 So, Wilfred Woodruff wrote 10 times 65 00:02:45,315 --> 00:02:46,925 what Joseph Smith ever wrote. 66 00:02:47,105 --> 00:02:48,805 In fact, Joseph Smith didn't write much. 67 00:02:48,905 --> 00:02:52,285 He often had a scribe or somebody who would record Mm-Hmm. 68 00:02:52,325 --> 00:02:56,045 . But about 30% of the Joseph Smith papers are 69 00:02:56,045 --> 00:02:58,925 what Wilfred Woodruff wrote down because he was there. 70 00:02:59,445 --> 00:03:02,745 Wow. And he kept better notes than anybody else. 71 00:03:03,325 --> 00:03:08,145 So from the day he was baptized in 1833 until he died in 72 00:03:08,825 --> 00:03:12,345 1898 as the president of the church, he kept a journal. 73 00:03:12,645 --> 00:03:14,305 And that journal is the best record 74 00:03:14,765 --> 00:03:16,945 of the Pioneer Restoration. 75 00:03:17,685 --> 00:03:20,865 All the things that went on the temple work, everything else 76 00:03:21,015 --> 00:03:23,065 that was developed from the time 77 00:03:23,065 --> 00:03:26,065 of Joseph Smith from 1833 onward. 78 00:03:26,255 --> 00:03:29,385 Yeah. And, you know, just by, uh, you know, not 79 00:03:29,385 --> 00:03:31,025 that I've done a deep dive on Wilford Woodruff, 80 00:03:31,025 --> 00:03:32,145 but I've read the Saints volumes 81 00:03:32,285 --> 00:03:34,745 and I think it's Follow Two of Saints 82 00:03:34,745 --> 00:03:36,345 that really gets into his administration. 83 00:03:36,495 --> 00:03:38,105 Correct. And some of his life. 84 00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:42,105 Then I just now, the, the one about Temple doctrine. Yeah. 85 00:03:42,245 --> 00:03:44,705 So Wilfred Woodruff's witness the 86 00:03:44,705 --> 00:03:45,985 development of Temple Doctrine. 87 00:03:45,985 --> 00:03:48,545 That's right. Yeah. This is a book by Jennifer Mackley, 88 00:03:48,845 --> 00:03:52,145 who is heading up the Wilfred Woodruff Papers Project, 89 00:03:52,805 --> 00:03:55,825 and she is the expert on Wilfred Woodruff, 90 00:03:55,825 --> 00:03:56,905 everything you wrote Mm-Hmm. 91 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,145 everything that's still available where it is. 92 00:03:59,525 --> 00:04:03,345 And she wrote that book based on Wilfred Woodruff's record 93 00:04:03,765 --> 00:04:06,465 of having been the first real temple president. 94 00:04:06,885 --> 00:04:08,745 So he was the Temple President of St. 95 00:04:08,745 --> 00:04:10,025 George while he was president 96 00:04:10,025 --> 00:04:11,385 of the Quorum of the 12, I think. 97 00:04:11,445 --> 00:04:13,025 Was that the, the first president of St. George? 98 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:14,225 He was the first president, yeah. Okay. 99 00:04:14,285 --> 00:04:18,385 So it opened in, I think it was January of 1877. 100 00:04:19,045 --> 00:04:22,505 And he was there until he became basically the prophet. 101 00:04:22,815 --> 00:04:25,585 Yeah. Yeah. And, and just like looking at his life 102 00:04:25,585 --> 00:04:28,825 and learning more, you know, I go back to the decision of, 103 00:04:29,125 --> 00:04:30,905 of ending polygamy, just like 104 00:04:30,905 --> 00:04:33,185 that was such a lose lose situation. 105 00:04:33,185 --> 00:04:35,665 Yeah. And as far as like leadership goes, like 106 00:04:35,665 --> 00:04:37,025 what an example of leadership. 107 00:04:37,365 --> 00:04:39,465 He had to really look at some hard facts, 108 00:04:39,465 --> 00:04:42,465 obviously seek out direction and revelation, whatnot. 109 00:04:42,485 --> 00:04:44,025 But to make that decision, I mean, 110 00:04:44,245 --> 00:04:45,345 he had the government against him 111 00:04:45,405 --> 00:04:48,425 and a lot of the membership of the church to really move out 112 00:04:48,445 --> 00:04:49,665 and, and make that decision. 113 00:04:49,805 --> 00:04:50,945 And, and both sides 114 00:04:50,975 --> 00:04:52,225 were not happy with it, but he was do it. 115 00:04:52,225 --> 00:04:55,465 Yeah. Turns out that he was really prepared to do that. 116 00:04:55,825 --> 00:04:57,065 I mean, he'd been there from 117 00:04:57,065 --> 00:04:59,785 before it started to when it got underway. 118 00:04:59,855 --> 00:05:02,665 Yeah. He then had additional wives 119 00:05:02,665 --> 00:05:04,505 besides Phoebe, his first wife, 120 00:05:04,885 --> 00:05:06,345 and then he was the one that ended it. 121 00:05:06,495 --> 00:05:07,905 Yeah. It's fascinating. 122 00:05:07,905 --> 00:05:09,465 So anytime there's an opportunity 123 00:05:09,605 --> 00:05:11,105 to discuss Wilfred Woodruff, 124 00:05:11,105 --> 00:05:14,345 now I've have such a soft spot in my leadership heart 125 00:05:14,405 --> 00:05:16,785 for Wilford Woodruff, because from the moment he was 126 00:05:17,065 --> 00:05:19,385 baptized, I mean, the guy just didn't stop, you know, 127 00:05:19,485 --> 00:05:20,865 he was being sent on missions. 128 00:05:20,865 --> 00:05:24,505 He was, you know, called his apostle then in Temple ies then 129 00:05:24,695 --> 00:05:27,665 leading he in the church historian officially Wow. 130 00:05:27,765 --> 00:05:28,905 For several years. 131 00:05:29,365 --> 00:05:32,225 But his record is the record that people refer 132 00:05:32,225 --> 00:05:33,265 to during Mm-Hmm. 133 00:05:33,305 --> 00:05:35,785 1833 to 1898. Yeah. 134 00:05:35,905 --> 00:05:38,265 'cause that's where he never missed a thing. Yeah. 135 00:05:38,365 --> 00:05:42,665 In fact, when, when Brigham Young was picking the site 136 00:05:42,665 --> 00:05:45,625 for the Salt Lake temple, he takes a few 137 00:05:45,825 --> 00:05:47,065 of the apostles with him. 138 00:05:47,725 --> 00:05:50,145 And of course, the only person that brought a stake 139 00:05:50,165 --> 00:05:51,545 and a hammer to hammer it in 140 00:05:51,545 --> 00:05:53,865 with was Wilford always prepared. 141 00:05:53,865 --> 00:05:55,225 Yeah. And he, he gets there 142 00:05:55,285 --> 00:05:57,655 and he says, this is where it's gonna be. 143 00:05:58,235 --> 00:06:01,335 And he turns to Wilfred, he said, Wilfred, 144 00:06:01,485 --> 00:06:02,855 mark this, will you ? 145 00:06:02,855 --> 00:06:05,055 Of course he knew Wilfred was ready to mark it. Yeah. 146 00:06:05,055 --> 00:06:06,895 Because that's what Wilfred did. Yeah. 147 00:06:07,075 --> 00:06:10,575 And he really, I mean, that apprentice to Brigham Young in 148 00:06:10,575 --> 00:06:11,975 so many ways, and by the time 149 00:06:12,475 --> 00:06:14,655 and just reading the book, like it was sort 150 00:06:14,655 --> 00:06:17,015 of a like President Kimball situation 151 00:06:17,015 --> 00:06:19,135 where John Taylor was younger than 152 00:06:19,135 --> 00:06:20,455 Wilfred Woodruff and Right. 153 00:06:20,655 --> 00:06:23,535 I think he assumed that John Taylor would outlive him. Yeah. 154 00:06:23,725 --> 00:06:25,815 Yeah. And here he is didn't 155 00:06:25,815 --> 00:06:26,855 happen as a prophet for many years. 156 00:06:26,965 --> 00:06:29,575 Yeah. And, and the influence on Temple doctrine 157 00:06:29,575 --> 00:06:31,135 and all those things, so like going back 158 00:06:31,135 --> 00:06:34,655 to the Wilford Woodruff papers, like now this isn't like a, 159 00:06:34,655 --> 00:06:37,575 this is a independent organization apart from the church. 160 00:06:37,575 --> 00:06:39,215 Right, right. Except how does that work? 161 00:06:39,355 --> 00:06:41,095 The church is clearly, well, 162 00:06:41,395 --> 00:06:43,615 the church did the Joseph Smith papers 163 00:06:43,615 --> 00:06:45,415 because it was Joseph Smith. 164 00:06:45,415 --> 00:06:48,295 Right. And they decided to publish hard copies, 165 00:06:48,665 --> 00:06:51,695 which means you better have everything exactly right 166 00:06:51,875 --> 00:06:52,895 before you do it. 167 00:06:52,965 --> 00:06:54,895 Yeah. Can take some resources because you can't go back. 168 00:06:55,715 --> 00:06:58,775 And they ended up having a single major donor 169 00:06:58,795 --> 00:07:00,015 who paid for most of that. 170 00:07:00,035 --> 00:07:03,175 Mm-Hmm. , they decided on the other prophets 171 00:07:03,205 --> 00:07:06,815 that we should let groups of latter-Day Saints do this, 172 00:07:07,005 --> 00:07:10,255 because everybody should be anxiously engaged anyway. 173 00:07:10,275 --> 00:07:13,295 Mm-Hmm. . But the church we assume will 174 00:07:13,305 --> 00:07:15,175 eventually take over all of this, 175 00:07:15,555 --> 00:07:18,615 but we're only publishing on website, 176 00:07:18,915 --> 00:07:20,455 on the website that we have. 177 00:07:20,555 --> 00:07:25,295 Gotcha. So we've published 25,000 pages already, you know, 178 00:07:25,295 --> 00:07:28,655 but we've got another, probably 12,000 ago. 179 00:07:29,235 --> 00:07:33,055 But we're also publishing all the names mentioned in his 180 00:07:33,055 --> 00:07:36,935 record, all of the places mentioned in his record, all of, 181 00:07:37,315 --> 00:07:40,495 so that the subjects were indexing everything so 182 00:07:40,495 --> 00:07:41,495 that they're searchable. 183 00:07:41,955 --> 00:07:43,415 So yeah, it's gonna be, yeah. 184 00:07:43,555 --> 00:07:47,575 If you wanna know what went on in the church between 1833 185 00:07:47,575 --> 00:07:50,495 and 1898, go look at Wilford Wood's, the papers. 186 00:07:50,495 --> 00:07:53,815 He's a man. He's the guy. And so the, the general effort is 187 00:07:53,815 --> 00:07:56,615 to organize all that he's written into a way 188 00:07:56,615 --> 00:07:57,775 that obviously we can learn from, 189 00:07:57,775 --> 00:07:59,815 and then it can be easily researched 190 00:07:59,815 --> 00:08:01,255 further for different projects. 191 00:08:01,255 --> 00:08:03,775 Right. Yeah. So one thing I learned recently that I 192 00:08:04,455 --> 00:08:08,895 hadn't heard before was he gave about 4,000 discourses, 193 00:08:09,475 --> 00:08:11,055 but he never wrote those down. 194 00:08:11,655 --> 00:08:14,055 Hmm. Now he would write in his journal, oh, 195 00:08:14,055 --> 00:08:15,415 this was one of my best ones. 196 00:08:15,775 --> 00:08:19,335 lasted 22 minutes, and then he'd tell who spoke 197 00:08:19,335 --> 00:08:22,095 before him or after him, and how long they spoke. 198 00:08:22,635 --> 00:08:24,295 Wow. And he'd talk about what they said, 199 00:08:24,395 --> 00:08:26,095 but he didn't talk about what he said, 200 00:08:26,365 --> 00:08:29,015 because he never wrote out his discourses. 201 00:08:29,775 --> 00:08:31,735 Interesting. Just stood at the lectern and went, huh. 202 00:08:31,795 --> 00:08:35,295 He, he believed that he should only preach by the spirit. 203 00:08:35,715 --> 00:08:37,335 Wow. So he didn't write 'em down. Yeah. 204 00:08:37,335 --> 00:08:39,615 And then nobody had a tape recorder back then. Yeah. 205 00:08:40,155 --> 00:08:41,495 So, so one of the things 206 00:08:41,495 --> 00:08:44,895 that the Wilfred Woodruff papers is doing is going back to 207 00:08:45,425 --> 00:08:46,935 stake conference records. 208 00:08:47,295 --> 00:08:48,455 I mean, all sorts of records. 209 00:08:48,805 --> 00:08:51,735 General conference, the general conference ones. 210 00:08:51,875 --> 00:08:53,375 People took pretty good notes 211 00:08:53,435 --> 00:08:54,935 and they'd kind of triangulate. 212 00:08:55,225 --> 00:08:57,565 So they'd have multiple people take notes and, 213 00:08:57,865 --> 00:08:59,685 but yeah, that's all part of the project. 214 00:08:59,995 --> 00:09:01,525 Yeah. It's great. That's, that's fun. 215 00:09:01,745 --> 00:09:04,525 And, uh, just a side, you know, factoid here that, uh, 216 00:09:04,525 --> 00:09:07,045 Wilfred Woodruff is the first modern day prophet 217 00:09:07,045 --> 00:09:09,685 to record his voice on a recorder of some type. 218 00:09:09,685 --> 00:09:11,405 And he testified of the prophet Joseph Smith. 219 00:09:11,405 --> 00:09:13,165 You can find it on, on YouTube. I've, yeah. 220 00:09:13,165 --> 00:09:14,845 I've listened to it. It's awesome. Yeah. Great. 221 00:09:14,995 --> 00:09:16,725 It's really cool. So do you have a personal 222 00:09:16,725 --> 00:09:18,005 connection with Wilfred Woodruff? 223 00:09:18,125 --> 00:09:20,205 I don't. Other than you. He's that belief. He was a prophet. 224 00:09:20,525 --> 00:09:22,365 I know he was a prophet . That's right. That's right. 225 00:09:22,365 --> 00:09:24,645 Cool. I've read a lot of his stuff now. That's great. 226 00:09:25,145 --> 00:09:27,165 So, and this we can pivot into sort 227 00:09:27,165 --> 00:09:28,925 of the crux of our conversation today. 228 00:09:28,925 --> 00:09:33,205 Just the, I'd love learning about the life of leaders to see 229 00:09:33,205 --> 00:09:34,885 how, you know, with hindsight, we can look back 230 00:09:34,885 --> 00:09:37,565 and really see how the Lord was shepherding them along 231 00:09:37,565 --> 00:09:40,525 and developing them into the, the character they needed 232 00:09:40,525 --> 00:09:42,725 to be in order to be a prophet, you know? 233 00:09:42,725 --> 00:09:45,365 Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you've done some presentation research 234 00:09:45,365 --> 00:09:48,285 about his, his missions, the many, many missions Yeah. 235 00:09:48,315 --> 00:09:50,525 That he did. Where's a good jumping off point? 236 00:09:50,755 --> 00:09:53,485 Well, I actually think, I wish there were two other books 237 00:09:53,485 --> 00:09:55,685 that had been written, and hopefully they'll get written. 238 00:09:56,105 --> 00:09:58,965 The one on Temple doctrine is terrific. Yeah. 239 00:09:58,965 --> 00:10:00,965 Because he recorded, you know, 240 00:10:00,965 --> 00:10:02,205 when did we get white clothing? 241 00:10:02,275 --> 00:10:04,085 When did we get this? When did we get that? 242 00:10:04,265 --> 00:10:07,645 All those things are in there, but he also missionary work. 243 00:10:07,975 --> 00:10:11,525 There was no better missionary than Wilfred Woodruff. Yeah. 244 00:10:11,745 --> 00:10:13,405 And he'd go wherever he was called 245 00:10:13,505 --> 00:10:15,605 and he'd speak up and everything else. 246 00:10:16,225 --> 00:10:18,285 That's, and we'll talk about that in just a minute. 247 00:10:18,385 --> 00:10:20,525 The third one though, is polygamy. Mm-Hmm. 248 00:10:20,605 --> 00:10:21,645 , because he was there 249 00:10:21,645 --> 00:10:22,805 before, during, and after. 250 00:10:23,185 --> 00:10:27,165 And his record is a far better record, I think, of 251 00:10:27,755 --> 00:10:30,725 what was it like, why did things change? 252 00:10:30,945 --> 00:10:33,485 How did they change, how did the Lord intervene 253 00:10:33,625 --> 00:10:35,005 to protect the church, 254 00:10:35,145 --> 00:10:37,205 to protect the people and all of that. 255 00:10:37,385 --> 00:10:39,605 So, but let's talk about the missionary work. 256 00:10:39,605 --> 00:10:43,365 Yeah, let's do it. He was looking, he didn't join the church 257 00:10:43,375 --> 00:10:44,565 until he was 26, 258 00:10:45,145 --> 00:10:49,605 and it was December 31st, 1833 that he joined the church. 259 00:10:50,025 --> 00:10:52,205 And he had been looking for truth. 260 00:10:52,465 --> 00:10:54,725 And so I remember the old seminary video about Yeah. 261 00:10:54,735 --> 00:10:56,005 About Wilford Woodruff. 262 00:10:56,345 --> 00:10:58,645 He was looking for prophets and apostles, right? Yeah, yeah. 263 00:10:58,965 --> 00:11:00,725 . And when he didn't find him in any of the churches, 264 00:11:00,985 --> 00:11:03,805 he, he just concluded that can't be the true church. 265 00:11:04,385 --> 00:11:08,045 And so Elder Pulsifer was the missionary. 266 00:11:08,045 --> 00:11:09,805 There were two missionaries who came. 267 00:11:10,155 --> 00:11:11,765 They hadn't traveled that far. 268 00:11:11,825 --> 00:11:14,805 In fact, the missionary who baptized him 269 00:11:15,345 --> 00:11:17,205 was out working in his field one day. 270 00:11:17,625 --> 00:11:21,645 And the Lord told him, you need to go preach the gospel. 271 00:11:22,385 --> 00:11:24,605 He didn't know where he comes into the house. 272 00:11:25,225 --> 00:11:28,045 He tells his wife, , I'm gonna go preach the gospel. 273 00:11:28,265 --> 00:11:29,405 She says, where ? 274 00:11:29,465 --> 00:11:31,365 He says, I don't know, but the Lord will tell me. 275 00:11:31,785 --> 00:11:33,205 He goes about 60 miles. 276 00:11:33,785 --> 00:11:36,205 And here are these two brothers who are living together. 277 00:11:36,545 --> 00:11:37,965 Uh, now Wilfred's not married, 278 00:11:38,385 --> 00:11:41,245 but his brother Mond, I think is his name. 279 00:11:41,665 --> 00:11:45,765 His brother is married. They listen to Elder Pulsifer. 280 00:11:46,185 --> 00:11:49,925 And 24 hours later or so he's baptized. Wow. 281 00:11:50,265 --> 00:11:52,645 He says, this is it. This is what I was looking for. 282 00:11:53,145 --> 00:11:55,325 And he's ready to go. Well, three months 283 00:11:55,325 --> 00:11:58,485 after that, so now you're in early 1834. 284 00:11:58,755 --> 00:12:00,485 This is when the Saints were having all 285 00:12:00,485 --> 00:12:03,645 that trouble in far West Missouri and things. 286 00:12:03,675 --> 00:12:06,725 This is when Zion's camp, as we now know it, Mm-Hmm. 287 00:12:06,765 --> 00:12:08,165 got organized. Well, 288 00:12:08,345 --> 00:12:10,765 Parley Pee Pratt came recruiting, 289 00:12:11,065 --> 00:12:13,245 and he comes to upstate New York where 290 00:12:13,755 --> 00:12:15,045 Wilfred and his brother are. 291 00:12:15,505 --> 00:12:18,645 And he says, Joseph Smith, the prophet is looking 292 00:12:18,705 --> 00:12:23,245 for 500 men to go redeem Zion, whatever that meant. 293 00:12:23,335 --> 00:12:27,845 Right? Yeah. . And Wilfred says, count me in, I'm in. 294 00:12:28,265 --> 00:12:31,205 And his brother says, well, I've got a wife and family 295 00:12:31,425 --> 00:12:32,965 and I can't go right now. 296 00:12:33,345 --> 00:12:34,965 And so Wilfred goes, 297 00:12:35,385 --> 00:12:38,765 and he's one of the first to arrive in Kirtland. 298 00:12:38,915 --> 00:12:41,645 This is when he first meets the prophet Joseph Smith. 299 00:12:41,785 --> 00:12:43,525 So he is only been a member for three months. 300 00:12:43,985 --> 00:12:48,245 And he gets sent ahead. They sent kind of an advance group. 301 00:12:48,835 --> 00:12:51,365 They wanted to get everybody out of Kirtland 302 00:12:51,585 --> 00:12:54,165 before they gathered to make their trek. 303 00:12:54,225 --> 00:12:56,285 So they, they go to a place called Portage. 304 00:12:56,365 --> 00:12:58,405 I don't know how far it is. And now he's ready. 305 00:12:58,665 --> 00:13:00,045 And he sees this as a mission. 306 00:13:00,405 --> 00:13:02,885 I mean, he was called, yeah, the prophet called. 307 00:13:03,385 --> 00:13:05,125 And he's going up for this purpose. 308 00:13:05,505 --> 00:13:09,005 That's his first mission. This was Zion camp. Zion camp. 309 00:13:09,005 --> 00:13:10,005 It was Zion's camp. Mm-Hmm. 310 00:13:10,045 --> 00:13:13,125 , which he records is just phenomenal. 311 00:13:13,505 --> 00:13:17,725 And in fact, one of the key lessons he learned early in his, 312 00:13:18,185 --> 00:13:19,565 uh, church membership, 313 00:13:19,985 --> 00:13:21,525 he was going on all sorts of missions. 314 00:13:21,525 --> 00:13:26,365 He went on seven of them in the first, about thir 12 315 00:13:26,385 --> 00:13:28,725 or 13 years, seven different missions. 316 00:13:29,065 --> 00:13:31,645 And he was going on, but this is the first Mm-Hmm. 317 00:13:31,685 --> 00:13:34,245 . So, and he's gonna be gone 318 00:13:34,765 --> 00:13:36,205 probably about eight or nine months. 319 00:13:36,675 --> 00:13:39,165 He's one of the ones Joseph Smith asked to stay 320 00:13:39,505 --> 00:13:41,525 and help the Saints move out of that county. 321 00:13:42,465 --> 00:13:43,765 And he, he's all in. 322 00:13:43,825 --> 00:13:47,165 But the lesson he learns on this first one is about 323 00:13:47,315 --> 00:13:48,485 consecrated service. 324 00:13:48,985 --> 00:13:51,405 And in fact, he does a very interesting thing. 325 00:13:52,065 --> 00:13:55,405 He actually, one of the saints in the area where, 326 00:13:55,775 --> 00:13:58,925 where Zion's camp ends up, has an extra room, 327 00:13:59,425 --> 00:14:01,885 and they were organized into companies and groups. 328 00:14:02,705 --> 00:14:04,645 And somebody in his group says, 329 00:14:05,115 --> 00:14:06,845 this member has an extra room, 330 00:14:06,865 --> 00:14:09,605 and we can all sleep inside instead of outside. 331 00:14:09,865 --> 00:14:11,045 Now. It had rained hard. 332 00:14:11,225 --> 00:14:13,565 All it was a mess, you know, I can imagine. 333 00:14:13,715 --> 00:14:14,765 It's pretty miserable. 334 00:14:15,065 --> 00:14:18,365 So they all arranged their bedding in this room kind 335 00:14:18,365 --> 00:14:19,725 of preempting everybody else. 336 00:14:20,035 --> 00:14:23,725 Well, then cases of cholera develop. Oh boy. 337 00:14:23,745 --> 00:14:26,205 And that's where they put all the cholera people. Mm-Hmm. 338 00:14:26,245 --> 00:14:27,845 . So now they're gonna have 339 00:14:27,845 --> 00:14:29,565 to burn everything they put in the room. 340 00:14:29,805 --> 00:14:32,365 . Oh, no. . And Wilfred makes this, 341 00:14:32,515 --> 00:14:34,725 this comment that, you know, 342 00:14:34,725 --> 00:14:36,125 I learned a very important lesson. 343 00:14:36,685 --> 00:14:39,925 I should consecrate everything to the Lord 344 00:14:40,225 --> 00:14:41,285 and not hold back. 345 00:14:41,705 --> 00:14:44,085 He said, and I was being selfish. Mm-Hmm. 346 00:14:44,345 --> 00:14:45,485 And he says, I've learned 347 00:14:45,485 --> 00:14:48,125 that lesson now I'm never gonna do that again. 348 00:14:48,465 --> 00:14:50,805 And he didn't. Yeah. And then to, I mean, if there's a way 349 00:14:50,805 --> 00:14:52,245 to summarize his complete life, 350 00:14:52,365 --> 00:14:53,525 I mean, talk about consecrated. 351 00:14:53,525 --> 00:14:55,165 Yeah. . I mean, he gave it all he did. 352 00:14:55,225 --> 00:14:57,325 And, uh, and he was a hard worker, you know. 353 00:14:57,395 --> 00:15:00,685 Well, in fact, when he is there in, in Jackson County, 354 00:15:01,145 --> 00:15:04,365 he actually records everything that he had 355 00:15:04,365 --> 00:15:06,885 because he, he's so detailed every, anyway. 356 00:15:06,885 --> 00:15:09,925 And what he writes down, he only had probably 10 357 00:15:09,925 --> 00:15:11,685 or $15 worth of stuff. 358 00:15:11,785 --> 00:15:13,325 Mm-Hmm. . And that's it. Wow. 359 00:15:13,505 --> 00:15:15,925 That's all he is got. But he consecrates it all. Yeah. 360 00:15:15,925 --> 00:15:17,525 Gives it all to the Lord. Yeah. 361 00:15:17,785 --> 00:15:19,965 So that Zion's camp experience was the 362 00:15:19,965 --> 00:15:21,125 beginning of many Yeah. 363 00:15:21,305 --> 00:15:23,565 Of much consecrated service. Right. True. Yep. 364 00:15:23,965 --> 00:15:25,605 Anything else in that world of consecrated service 365 00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:27,165 that worth mentioning or? 366 00:15:27,795 --> 00:15:32,245 Well, he wants to go on a mission. When he was baptized. 367 00:15:32,705 --> 00:15:33,845 His brother was older. 368 00:15:34,065 --> 00:15:36,285 So his brother gets made a priest 369 00:15:36,345 --> 00:15:37,565 and he gets made a teacher. 370 00:15:37,665 --> 00:15:39,805 Mm-Hmm. . Well, he then gets a call 371 00:15:39,905 --> 00:15:42,765 to the Southern States mission with a companion, 372 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:46,365 and they're gonna go to Arkansas, Tennessee, 373 00:15:46,465 --> 00:15:47,525 and one other state. 374 00:15:47,985 --> 00:15:50,525 But they have to do everything themselves 375 00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:52,965 because they're just dirt roads. 376 00:15:52,965 --> 00:15:55,365 They're, yeah. This is pretty early days. Yeah. 377 00:15:55,365 --> 00:15:57,765 There's no organized mission or mission president, or, yeah. 378 00:15:57,765 --> 00:15:59,645 Yeah. So this is 1834. Yeah. Yeah. 379 00:15:59,785 --> 00:16:01,845 And it's without person script, and Mm-Hmm. . 380 00:16:02,145 --> 00:16:06,365 So he gets started by saying, I'm gonna do this. 381 00:16:06,775 --> 00:16:09,565 We're gonna go see if we can't convert some people, 382 00:16:10,085 --> 00:16:11,725 I guess Kentucky was the other state. 383 00:16:12,045 --> 00:16:13,605 Hmm. And so he 384 00:16:13,605 --> 00:16:16,765 and his companion first half have to dig out a canoe. 385 00:16:16,765 --> 00:16:18,005 They hollow out a log. 386 00:16:18,545 --> 00:16:21,405 Now, I would think that a log would be very rolly. 387 00:16:21,725 --> 00:16:23,285 I mean, right. Yeah. I can't imagine. 388 00:16:23,445 --> 00:16:25,445 And I can, how long that takes. I don't know. 389 00:16:25,445 --> 00:16:28,485 To how out a Well, they took a few days to dig it out. Wow. 390 00:16:28,865 --> 00:16:31,485 And this actually becomes another characteristic 391 00:16:31,485 --> 00:16:32,925 that he learns on his missions, 392 00:16:33,095 --> 00:16:35,005 which is the joy of hard work. 393 00:16:35,155 --> 00:16:37,925 Yeah. Nobody worked harder than Wilfred Woodruff. 394 00:16:38,085 --> 00:16:41,445 I mean, he records in his journal when he's about 70, 395 00:16:41,955 --> 00:16:44,965 that he's, he says, this is the first day that one 396 00:16:44,965 --> 00:16:47,245 of my kids can out home me in the garden. 397 00:16:47,685 --> 00:16:49,685 . I mean, he's out there , 398 00:16:49,785 --> 00:16:51,045 you know, he's an apostle. 399 00:16:51,045 --> 00:16:53,485 Yeah. He's out there working in the garden every day. 400 00:16:53,505 --> 00:16:55,285 And, and when they went on this mission, one 401 00:16:55,285 --> 00:16:57,725 of the things they would do to repay people, 402 00:16:58,635 --> 00:17:00,205 they would actually do work for him. 403 00:17:00,265 --> 00:17:02,365 So they'd say, need anything built, 404 00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:04,085 need anything cleaned up? 405 00:17:04,185 --> 00:17:05,805 You need weeding done. 406 00:17:05,925 --> 00:17:07,765 I mean, in the garden, whatever it was. 407 00:17:08,385 --> 00:17:12,405 And so, and then they'd come back in and preach at night 408 00:17:12,675 --> 00:17:14,005 because they couldn't work. 409 00:17:14,205 --> 00:17:15,245 'cause it was dark. Mm-Hmm. . 410 00:17:15,465 --> 00:17:16,965 So it, it's very interesting. 411 00:17:16,985 --> 00:17:21,485 He clearly learns about hard work and he likes it. Yeah. 412 00:17:21,765 --> 00:17:23,045 I mean, it, it, you know, 413 00:17:23,045 --> 00:17:24,565 it's almost like an adrenaline rush. 414 00:17:24,635 --> 00:17:27,325 Yeah. At least I get that from reading some of his stuff. 415 00:17:27,355 --> 00:17:30,125 Yeah. And just reading that Temple Doctrine book of just 416 00:17:30,145 --> 00:17:32,445 to the end, like when it came even to temple work. 417 00:17:32,515 --> 00:17:35,645 Yeah. He was hours and hours in the temple. Yeah. Never saw. 418 00:17:35,645 --> 00:17:37,405 And really pounding that drum with the members 419 00:17:37,425 --> 00:17:39,645 of the church being like, we've got work to do. 420 00:17:39,715 --> 00:17:41,365 Like, let's get in the temple. Yeah. Yeah. 421 00:17:41,385 --> 00:17:44,245 And help these people that need the ordinances, you know? 422 00:17:44,425 --> 00:17:47,085 So Yeah. One of the things he records on this Southern 423 00:17:47,105 --> 00:17:50,165 states mission is they've been gone six or eight months, 424 00:17:50,305 --> 00:17:52,885 and his, they're in a swamp. 425 00:17:53,675 --> 00:17:55,565 It's muddy, it's raining. 426 00:17:56,265 --> 00:17:59,325 He gets a sudden sharp pain in his leg. 427 00:17:59,665 --> 00:18:01,245 And so he sits down on a log, 428 00:18:01,265 --> 00:18:02,325 and while he is sitting there, 429 00:18:02,665 --> 00:18:05,045 his companion says, I think I'm done. 430 00:18:05,505 --> 00:18:06,845 I'm going back to Kirtland 431 00:18:06,845 --> 00:18:08,925 to see my family and leaves him. 432 00:18:09,075 --> 00:18:12,565 Holy cow. . And Wilfred re records it as 433 00:18:13,165 --> 00:18:16,645 I got down on my knees, said a prayer that I'd be blessed 434 00:18:16,875 --> 00:18:18,405 that this pain would go away. 435 00:18:18,865 --> 00:18:21,365 It did. I stood up. 436 00:18:21,365 --> 00:18:23,285 And even though my companion had left me in a, 437 00:18:23,545 --> 00:18:26,725 in an alligator swamp is how he describes it. 438 00:18:27,025 --> 00:18:30,605 He said, I went on my way joyful at the work I was doing. 439 00:18:30,955 --> 00:18:32,965 Yeah. You know, and he'd always insert 440 00:18:32,965 --> 00:18:35,325 that word joyful in there when he said work. 441 00:18:35,665 --> 00:18:37,485 All work was joyful to him. Yeah. 442 00:18:37,945 --> 00:18:40,205 And could have been, I mean, a lot, his longevity 443 00:18:40,205 --> 00:18:42,405 of his life that he was just, he never Yeah. 444 00:18:42,405 --> 00:18:45,085 Sat down long enough to die. You know, he just Exactly. 445 00:18:45,345 --> 00:18:47,045 He just kept going. So, yeah. That's cool. 446 00:18:47,105 --> 00:18:50,805 And part of this joyful work was he really felt called 447 00:18:51,225 --> 00:18:53,925 to record everything that took place. 448 00:18:54,305 --> 00:18:57,645 And so he said he felt like a fish out of water 449 00:18:57,775 --> 00:19:00,165 until he recorded something in his journal 450 00:19:00,515 --> 00:19:03,485 that he thought was meaningful and significant. 451 00:19:03,865 --> 00:19:04,965 And he'd record everything. 452 00:19:04,965 --> 00:19:08,205 And then at the end of the year, he'd actually do a summary. 453 00:19:08,825 --> 00:19:12,925 And it was of how many people he'd preach the gospel to, 454 00:19:13,105 --> 00:19:15,925 or how many people he'd confirmed or baptized 455 00:19:16,105 --> 00:19:17,645 or given a blessing to. 456 00:19:18,425 --> 00:19:22,445 And he'd count 'em . Wow. He was just a detailed guy. 457 00:19:22,445 --> 00:19:24,245 Yeah. And with hindsight, such a blessing 458 00:19:24,245 --> 00:19:25,405 to the church and church history Yeah. 459 00:19:25,405 --> 00:19:26,765 To know all that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 460 00:19:26,825 --> 00:19:29,045 Now, obviously we have, you have a lot of work ahead of you 461 00:19:29,045 --> 00:19:30,205 with the Wilford Woodruff papers. 462 00:19:30,205 --> 00:19:32,045 Yeah. I mean, you asked the, the question earlier 463 00:19:32,295 --> 00:19:33,965 about the church's role. 464 00:19:34,825 --> 00:19:37,205 The Wilfred Woodruff Papers has a partnership 465 00:19:37,205 --> 00:19:39,125 with several different church entities. 466 00:19:39,545 --> 00:19:41,045 One of them is family search, 467 00:19:41,195 --> 00:19:44,205 because there are about 20,000 people 468 00:19:44,875 --> 00:19:46,885 mentioned in his journals. 469 00:19:47,225 --> 00:19:49,565 Wow. So these are people he crossed paths with. 470 00:19:49,955 --> 00:19:51,165 Some of them he knew. 471 00:19:51,165 --> 00:19:53,365 Well, others of them were just somebody he met, 472 00:19:53,715 --> 00:19:55,205 like on the Southern States Mission. 473 00:19:55,205 --> 00:19:58,485 After his companion leaves, he goes on into Memphis 474 00:19:59,145 --> 00:20:01,405 and he goes, tells a great story, 475 00:20:01,985 --> 00:20:04,325 but goes into a, an inn. 476 00:20:04,825 --> 00:20:08,285 And he records the name of the person, the proprietor. 477 00:20:08,305 --> 00:20:10,565 Mm-Hmm. . And so that's one of the names. 478 00:20:10,955 --> 00:20:13,365 Well, one of the things that the church is very interested 479 00:20:13,385 --> 00:20:17,445 in is if we do little biographical sketches of those, 480 00:20:17,995 --> 00:20:20,245 attaching them to the family search record, 481 00:20:21,025 --> 00:20:23,925 and then they let the descendants of that person 482 00:20:24,505 --> 00:20:27,885 who are already in, as you know, family search is kind 483 00:20:27,885 --> 00:20:29,405 of one big family tree, right? 484 00:20:29,405 --> 00:20:32,645 Yeah. So anytime you can get somebody identified in 485 00:20:32,645 --> 00:20:37,605 that tree, everything downstream that is already connected 486 00:20:38,245 --> 00:20:39,605 suddenly becomes Oh. 487 00:20:40,065 --> 00:20:41,245 And it turns out that 488 00:20:41,395 --> 00:20:43,645 with the people we've identified thus far, 489 00:20:44,215 --> 00:20:47,730 there are about 53 million descendants of those people. 490 00:20:48,065 --> 00:20:50,205 Wow. Which is pretty remarkable. Yeah. 491 00:20:50,385 --> 00:20:52,925 And people are interested, you know? Yeah. 492 00:20:53,145 --> 00:20:55,845 The work of Elijah is going on . Yeah. 493 00:20:55,985 --> 00:20:58,605 And they really wanna know about their ancestors. Yeah. 494 00:20:58,605 --> 00:21:01,605 So, you know, if you knew your ancestor, gosh, 495 00:21:01,785 --> 00:21:05,245 he was a proprietor of this inn, and they try 496 00:21:05,245 --> 00:21:07,645 and play a trick on Wilfred Woodruff at the end. 497 00:21:07,785 --> 00:21:11,685 So . Yeah. So it's very memorable. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 498 00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,165 But it's great. And so if your, 499 00:21:13,225 --> 00:21:15,765 if you wanna know if your ancestor met Wilfred Woodruff, 500 00:21:15,765 --> 00:21:16,765 you'll probably find that out. 501 00:21:16,925 --> 00:21:18,565 'cause he probably recorded it. Yeah. Yeah. 502 00:21:18,865 --> 00:21:21,565 In fact, eventually, all of 20,000 of them, 503 00:21:22,065 --> 00:21:25,325 if we can identify you need a place or a date 504 00:21:25,465 --> 00:21:26,645 or something Right. 505 00:21:27,065 --> 00:21:28,805 To put it in family search, 506 00:21:28,915 --> 00:21:31,005 then those people will all be there. 507 00:21:31,505 --> 00:21:33,045 And then they'll naturally connect 508 00:21:33,045 --> 00:21:34,765 with everybody else who's already there. 509 00:21:34,955 --> 00:21:37,285 Yeah. And that's, I mean, that's just one example 510 00:21:37,305 --> 00:21:38,765 of a partnership with the church. 511 00:21:39,115 --> 00:21:41,805 Yeah, yeah, yeah. To, to make those connections. So yeah. 512 00:21:42,285 --> 00:21:44,005 Anything else with, uh, joyful hard work? 513 00:21:44,745 --> 00:21:47,445 No, but I will , he was never afraid 514 00:21:47,465 --> 00:21:50,365 to open his mouth, which is the third thing I would 515 00:21:50,365 --> 00:21:51,725 say was unique to him. 516 00:21:52,345 --> 00:21:55,765 And it starts with, he leaves this alligator swamp. 517 00:21:55,945 --> 00:21:57,925 He goes to Memphis, to this inn, 518 00:21:58,465 --> 00:22:01,845 and he tells the proprietor, now he's been in the mud. 519 00:22:02,285 --> 00:22:04,685 I mean, and he nailed down in the mud to pray. 520 00:22:05,225 --> 00:22:06,805 So I'm Myah says he's a mess. 521 00:22:06,945 --> 00:22:08,565 And he tells the proprietor, he says, 522 00:22:09,045 --> 00:22:12,205 I don't have any money, but I could you put me up 523 00:22:12,205 --> 00:22:13,645 for the night and feed me. 524 00:22:14,105 --> 00:22:15,925 And the proprietor asks him, what do you do? 525 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:19,725 I'm a preacher of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. 526 00:22:20,045 --> 00:22:21,085 That's what he tells him. 527 00:22:21,585 --> 00:22:25,245 And the proprietor thinks, oh, the guys I know 528 00:22:25,245 --> 00:22:27,045 that would have a lot of fun with this guy. 529 00:22:27,465 --> 00:22:30,085 So he says, sure, I'll do that if you'll preach. 530 00:22:30,635 --> 00:22:33,605 Well, Wilford senses that he, the guy wants 531 00:22:33,605 --> 00:22:37,285 to have him preach so that they can make fun or whatever. 532 00:22:37,345 --> 00:22:39,845 Mm-Hmm. . And so he plays hard to get, 533 00:22:40,255 --> 00:22:43,205 which only makes the proprietor more interested in 534 00:22:43,205 --> 00:22:44,245 having him preach . 535 00:22:44,945 --> 00:22:47,325 And so he feeds Wilfred, 536 00:22:47,465 --> 00:22:49,405 and while he does the group 537 00:22:49,475 --> 00:22:52,765 that the proprietor invites comes, well, there're all the 538 00:22:53,345 --> 00:22:56,085 big wigs in the town of Memphis at the time. 539 00:22:56,795 --> 00:22:59,645 500 people. So this must have been a big in Yeah. 540 00:22:59,945 --> 00:23:01,525 But there were 500 people there. 541 00:23:01,625 --> 00:23:03,845 By the time he's finished, he tries 542 00:23:03,845 --> 00:23:05,085 to get 'em to sing a song. 543 00:23:05,625 --> 00:23:08,045 And all the proprietor's friends are right 544 00:23:08,045 --> 00:23:10,005 around him sitting right there. 545 00:23:10,705 --> 00:23:11,885 But nobody will sing. 546 00:23:12,435 --> 00:23:14,525 Well, Wilfred doesn't have a good voice, . 547 00:23:14,525 --> 00:23:16,725 So he reads the words to the hymn, 548 00:23:17,065 --> 00:23:18,565 and then he says the prayer. 549 00:23:19,225 --> 00:23:21,005 And then as he gets ready to preach, 550 00:23:21,665 --> 00:23:25,125 the way Wilfred records it is, he said, the Lord revealed 551 00:23:25,145 --> 00:23:27,205 to me who these people were 552 00:23:28,105 --> 00:23:31,045 and what kinds of things they had done in their life. 553 00:23:31,865 --> 00:23:36,085 So they appeared to be a high society, 554 00:23:36,905 --> 00:23:40,605 but in fact there was a lot of shadiness in their lives. 555 00:23:41,185 --> 00:23:44,325 So he proceeded to tell 'em little repentance. 556 00:23:44,625 --> 00:23:47,085 Of course. Yeah. And then he is calling him to repentance. 557 00:23:47,085 --> 00:23:50,005 Yeah. Yeah. But they're shocked. How can he know this? 558 00:23:50,585 --> 00:23:54,005 How can this Mormon boy know this? Yeah. 559 00:23:54,185 --> 00:23:57,125 And he finishes this. 560 00:23:57,785 --> 00:24:00,325 He, he says what he feels inspired to say, 561 00:24:00,325 --> 00:24:01,605 calls him to repentance. 562 00:24:02,105 --> 00:24:03,645 And then he closes with prayer, 563 00:24:04,425 --> 00:24:07,485 and within three minutes he says, 564 00:24:07,695 --> 00:24:09,605 there is nobody in the room but him. 565 00:24:09,965 --> 00:24:12,845 . Oh my goodness. All 500 of 'em disappear. 566 00:24:12,845 --> 00:24:15,365 Where where are they? Well, you know, in the, 567 00:24:15,425 --> 00:24:17,485 the Bible verse where the accusers, right. 568 00:24:17,595 --> 00:24:20,325 Yeah. Accusers are not here. They're not there anymore. 569 00:24:20,545 --> 00:24:22,925 And so then he goes up to the room that the 570 00:24:23,575 --> 00:24:25,925 proprietor had given him to sleep in that night. 571 00:24:26,195 --> 00:24:27,725 Well, he got paper thin walls. 572 00:24:28,345 --> 00:24:29,365 And the proprietor 573 00:24:29,945 --> 00:24:32,365 and his closest friends were in the next room. 574 00:24:32,945 --> 00:24:35,605 And they're trying to figure out how did he know? 575 00:24:36,305 --> 00:24:37,885 How did he know all that? We've never told 576 00:24:37,885 --> 00:24:39,005 anybody all those things. 577 00:24:39,415 --> 00:24:41,525 Uhhuh , you know, and obviously they've been in 578 00:24:41,525 --> 00:24:42,965 some of it together and stuff. 579 00:24:43,585 --> 00:24:46,485 And Wilfred thinks, maybe I should go next door. 580 00:24:46,775 --> 00:24:48,645 Maybe they'll be more receptive now. 581 00:24:49,185 --> 00:24:50,285 And he listens to them 582 00:24:50,385 --> 00:24:52,485 and they say, I don't think we wanna 583 00:24:52,485 --> 00:24:53,525 talk to him any further. 584 00:24:54,225 --> 00:24:58,405 We can't trust that what he says won't be even worse. Yeah. 585 00:24:58,405 --> 00:25:00,125 Yeah. interesting. 586 00:25:00,185 --> 00:25:01,725 So, so they all leave 587 00:25:02,025 --> 00:25:03,765 and Wilford Dick gets a good night's sleep 588 00:25:03,945 --> 00:25:05,525 and then goes on his way the next day. 589 00:25:05,665 --> 00:25:08,725 Wow. And there's a, just a great example that he's willing 590 00:25:08,785 --> 00:25:10,725 to speak what the Lord puts in his heart. 591 00:25:10,725 --> 00:25:12,085 Right. Right. Regardless of thence. 592 00:25:12,085 --> 00:25:14,045 Well, in fact, he's willing to open his mouth. Yeah. Yeah. 593 00:25:14,425 --> 00:25:18,405 And in fact, there's a great set of verses in the doctrine 594 00:25:18,405 --> 00:25:19,845 and covenants about opening your mouth. 595 00:25:19,905 --> 00:25:22,565 And most mission presidents Uhhuh in our 596 00:25:22,565 --> 00:25:26,365 mission in London, they called it oss Open Your Mouth. 597 00:25:26,705 --> 00:25:30,845 So besides knocking on doors, you stop people on the subway 598 00:25:31,025 --> 00:25:34,685 or any public transportation or on the street and you, 599 00:25:34,685 --> 00:25:36,245 and you open your mouth. 600 00:25:36,705 --> 00:25:39,445 And that's how we got a lot of our investigators. Yeah. 601 00:25:39,445 --> 00:25:41,805 It's half the battle in your mouth. Just gotta speak. Right. 602 00:25:41,985 --> 00:25:43,205 And that's what he did. Yeah. 603 00:25:43,385 --> 00:25:46,765 And he was willing to do that anywhere he went. Mm-Hmm. 604 00:25:46,805 --> 00:25:48,525 . I mean, he just thought, 605 00:25:48,595 --> 00:25:49,805 yeah, of course I'm gonna do that. 606 00:25:49,865 --> 00:25:53,325 Why wouldn't I? Yeah. And he said what he was told to say. 607 00:25:53,795 --> 00:25:57,205 Another great example of that is when he goes on his mission 608 00:25:57,205 --> 00:25:59,765 to England, this is when all of the nine 609 00:25:59,765 --> 00:26:02,085 of the apostles go to England. 610 00:26:02,785 --> 00:26:03,965 And he's one of those, 611 00:26:04,505 --> 00:26:07,725 and his assigned area is Staffordshire. 612 00:26:08,065 --> 00:26:11,045 That's where the potteries are, where Wedgewood 613 00:26:11,045 --> 00:26:14,125 and all of those people that make fine China and things. 614 00:26:14,785 --> 00:26:16,885 And so that's his assigned area. 615 00:26:17,305 --> 00:26:19,205 He starts preaching in the first month 616 00:26:19,205 --> 00:26:22,045 or so to six weeks, month to six weeks. 617 00:26:22,505 --> 00:26:26,525 He probably baptizes 40 people or so. And it's going great. 618 00:26:26,945 --> 00:26:30,165 And one Sunday, in fact, it's right at his birthday. 619 00:26:31,225 --> 00:26:34,605 He preaches, he has three sermons set up that day. 620 00:26:35,225 --> 00:26:37,565 And other churches would let him preach 621 00:26:37,695 --> 00:26:39,725 until they figured out that he was gonna 622 00:26:39,725 --> 00:26:40,885 take their converts. 623 00:26:41,085 --> 00:26:42,285 , but . Yeah. 624 00:26:42,385 --> 00:26:44,845 So he's preaching in, in different places, 625 00:26:45,505 --> 00:26:47,245 and he gets to the one in the evening 626 00:26:48,225 --> 00:26:50,405 and they're singing the opening song, 627 00:26:50,945 --> 00:26:52,205 and he gets this impression, 628 00:26:52,395 --> 00:26:55,845 this is your last sermon here in pottery. 629 00:26:56,265 --> 00:26:59,965 And so he stands up, he tells the people, I'm sorry 630 00:26:59,985 --> 00:27:02,605 to tell you, he's got lots of appointments set up. 631 00:27:03,125 --> 00:27:05,445 'cause he is still baptizing people up there. 632 00:27:06,105 --> 00:27:07,965 And he says, this will be my last 633 00:27:07,965 --> 00:27:10,045 time I'm to go somewhere else. 634 00:27:10,705 --> 00:27:13,845 And that's what he does. I mean, he now, he doesn't know 635 00:27:13,845 --> 00:27:14,925 where he is going at the time. 636 00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:17,925 He baptizes some people at the end of that meeting. 637 00:27:18,665 --> 00:27:21,925 And then the next day he goes in a private place 638 00:27:21,985 --> 00:27:23,725 and asks the Lord, where am I going? 639 00:27:23,745 --> 00:27:26,245 Mm-Hmm. , he says, south . Wow. 640 00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:28,925 And so he goes south and that's when he gets 641 00:27:28,945 --> 00:27:30,325 to the John Benbo farm. 642 00:27:30,985 --> 00:27:35,965 And that's when eventually 1800 people get baptized 643 00:27:36,435 --> 00:27:37,525 because of that. 644 00:27:38,355 --> 00:27:42,165 Because John Benbo and his wife Jane both get baptized. 645 00:27:42,945 --> 00:27:46,805 That's the United Brethren that have about the Gadd, 646 00:27:46,805 --> 00:27:48,805 Phil Elm Chapel as part of that. 647 00:27:49,425 --> 00:27:52,925 So that's why it became the first foreign church building 648 00:27:53,195 --> 00:27:56,645 that the church owned, because the United Brethren gave it 649 00:27:56,645 --> 00:27:58,845 to the church when they all joined. 650 00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:02,685 Eventually. All but one of those 600 United brethren 651 00:28:02,685 --> 00:28:04,445 and their, obviously their wives 652 00:28:04,445 --> 00:28:07,165 and everything else in there, they all joined 653 00:28:07,865 --> 00:28:09,805 except one . 654 00:28:09,825 --> 00:28:12,045 Wow. So they took the building with them. Right. 655 00:28:12,205 --> 00:28:14,245 and, and they gave the building to the church Wow. 656 00:28:14,305 --> 00:28:16,765 So that people could continue to meet in it. Yeah. 657 00:28:17,065 --> 00:28:20,405 But that's Wilford being will willing to open his mouth 658 00:28:20,945 --> 00:28:23,125 and do whatever the Lord asks him to do. 659 00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:25,485 Yeah. And that's a great lesson. Yeah. 660 00:28:25,895 --> 00:28:27,525 Exact obedience concept, right? Yeah. Yeah. 661 00:28:27,525 --> 00:28:29,485 Just not only refining your Yeah. 662 00:28:30,165 --> 00:28:32,285 Spiritual communication, but by following it. 663 00:28:32,285 --> 00:28:34,445 And that's a lot of the refining that happens is Yeah. 664 00:28:34,525 --> 00:28:35,605 When you're willing to follow it. 665 00:28:35,865 --> 00:28:38,045 And that's really from his early missions. 666 00:28:38,045 --> 00:28:39,845 That's the fourth thing that I'd identify, 667 00:28:40,025 --> 00:28:42,205 was this exact obedience. 668 00:28:42,745 --> 00:28:46,285 So one of the great incidents when he is preaching 669 00:28:46,905 --> 00:28:49,605 at the Benbo Farm, John Benbo, 670 00:28:49,905 --> 00:28:52,885 and about 40 of these United Brethren were 671 00:28:53,285 --> 00:28:54,325 registered preachers. 672 00:28:54,655 --> 00:28:56,645 Turns out you had to have a license in Great Britain 673 00:28:56,705 --> 00:28:57,725 at the time to preach. 674 00:28:58,345 --> 00:29:02,645 You also had to be in a place that was registered for er 675 00:29:02,905 --> 00:29:05,125 to have this kind of religious thing. 676 00:29:05,475 --> 00:29:08,565 Well, John Bebo's Farm House had a room 677 00:29:08,565 --> 00:29:09,965 that was registered for that. 678 00:29:10,385 --> 00:29:11,445 So it was all legal. 679 00:29:11,835 --> 00:29:13,685 Well, that's when this constable comes 680 00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:18,245 and comes, A local minister sends his constable to go arrest 681 00:29:18,795 --> 00:29:21,165 Wilfred Woodruff for preaching. 682 00:29:21,195 --> 00:29:23,965 He's actually trying to arrest him so that he won't be able 683 00:29:23,965 --> 00:29:26,005 to do sheep stealing, as they called it. 684 00:29:26,685 --> 00:29:31,485 . Yeah. And so this constable shows up 685 00:29:32,145 --> 00:29:34,165 and he right at the start of the meeting, 686 00:29:34,825 --> 00:29:36,005 and he interrupts the meeting 687 00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:38,405 and he, he says, are you Wilford Woodruff? 688 00:29:38,405 --> 00:29:41,085 And he says, yes. And he said, I'm here to arrest you. 689 00:29:41,665 --> 00:29:44,565 And he says, well, on what grounds for preaching? 690 00:29:45,065 --> 00:29:48,045 And he says, I'll tell you what, I'm about to start. 691 00:29:48,505 --> 00:29:49,885 Why don't you just take my chair? 692 00:29:49,995 --> 00:29:52,645 He'd been sitting right in the front, sit right here next 693 00:29:52,645 --> 00:29:53,925 to me and I'll, 694 00:29:54,255 --> 00:29:57,125 we'll work this out at the end of my preaching. 695 00:29:57,825 --> 00:30:00,645 And he comments that this is a registered place 696 00:30:00,745 --> 00:30:03,125 and this is all legal, and he's got his license. 697 00:30:03,465 --> 00:30:05,805 And so he goes ahead and preaches. 698 00:30:06,225 --> 00:30:09,005 And then at the end close, which was very common 699 00:30:09,665 --> 00:30:11,805 in those missionary days, say, 700 00:30:12,065 --> 00:30:13,525 how many are ready for baptism? 701 00:30:14,115 --> 00:30:15,165 Well, there were seven or eight 702 00:30:15,165 --> 00:30:16,365 people that raised their hands. 703 00:30:16,385 --> 00:30:18,965 And the constables, one of 'em, . Oh my goodness. 704 00:30:19,025 --> 00:30:22,165 And he baptized him that night. . Nice. 705 00:30:22,185 --> 00:30:25,685 So, you know, he was exactly obedient to go there, 706 00:30:26,265 --> 00:30:28,685 but he also knows that he's supposed to preach this sermon, 707 00:30:28,825 --> 00:30:29,885 so he is gonna preach it, 708 00:30:30,225 --> 00:30:32,565 and then he is gonna talk to the constable. 709 00:30:33,065 --> 00:30:34,605 You know, so he never gets arrested. 710 00:30:34,625 --> 00:30:37,645 But it, there was not no grounds really to arrest him. 711 00:30:37,645 --> 00:30:40,285 Yeah, yeah. But Constable didn't know 712 00:30:40,285 --> 00:30:41,325 that when he went out there. 713 00:30:41,835 --> 00:30:43,765 Yeah. And now he's, now he's a member now. 714 00:30:43,765 --> 00:30:45,645 He's a latter saint. Right. That's cool. That's right. 715 00:30:46,245 --> 00:30:48,605 Anything else around exact obedience we wanna touch on, 716 00:30:48,665 --> 00:30:50,165 or is that a good, good ? 717 00:30:50,485 --> 00:30:52,245 I think that's a, that's a good start. 718 00:30:52,465 --> 00:30:54,565 So let me just re review. 719 00:30:54,565 --> 00:30:59,405 In the first few years he, he had Zion's camp. That's 1834. 720 00:30:59,985 --> 00:31:04,365 He goes to the Southern States Mission at the end of 1834, 721 00:31:04,365 --> 00:31:06,085 beginning of 1835, 722 00:31:06,705 --> 00:31:09,525 he gets made an elder, ordained an elder. 723 00:31:10,235 --> 00:31:12,165 Okay. Partway through his mission. 724 00:31:12,985 --> 00:31:16,885 So now we can do confirming as well, Uhhuh . 725 00:31:17,395 --> 00:31:20,365 Then in 18, uh, 37, 726 00:31:21,585 --> 00:31:23,685 he marries Phoebe. 727 00:31:24,305 --> 00:31:27,565 So that's Phoebe Carter, who, you know, it's, 728 00:31:27,755 --> 00:31:30,245 they're both signed up as new converts. 729 00:31:30,385 --> 00:31:33,165 And she is just like he is in terms of 730 00:31:33,925 --> 00:31:36,445 anywhere the Lord wants us to go, anything he wants us 731 00:31:36,445 --> 00:31:37,925 to do, we're ready to do it. 732 00:31:38,035 --> 00:31:42,085 Yeah. And they're great support to each other 733 00:31:42,265 --> 00:31:43,325 and so on. 734 00:31:43,465 --> 00:31:47,285 And they go to the Eastern States and the Fox Islands, 735 00:31:47,585 --> 00:31:50,605 and he had been anxious to get this mission call 736 00:31:50,605 --> 00:31:54,045 because his patriarchal blessing had told him 737 00:31:54,045 --> 00:31:57,485 that he would preach the gospel on the iss of the sea. 738 00:31:58,115 --> 00:32:00,565 Well, it turns out that the Fox islands in Maine, 739 00:32:00,665 --> 00:32:02,285 the other iss of the sea . 740 00:32:02,395 --> 00:32:07,285 Yeah. But it, it was also near where her family lived 741 00:32:07,985 --> 00:32:10,525 and some of his relatives lived. 742 00:32:11,185 --> 00:32:12,645 And so this mission was perfect 743 00:32:12,645 --> 00:32:16,445 because he ends up baptizing several members of her family, 744 00:32:16,445 --> 00:32:19,205 several members of his extended family, 745 00:32:19,785 --> 00:32:24,445 and also baptizing several families in the Fox Islands. 746 00:32:24,745 --> 00:32:26,325 He has lots of opposition, 747 00:32:27,225 --> 00:32:31,365 but you know, he's figuring out nothing's gonna stop me now. 748 00:32:31,945 --> 00:32:35,525 And then they're gonna move to Missouri with this group. 749 00:32:36,265 --> 00:32:41,165 And so they leave at the end of the mission, they leave 750 00:32:41,785 --> 00:32:45,245 and take this group, and that's when Phoebe dies. 751 00:32:45,865 --> 00:32:49,565 And then she is given the choice by the Lord, 752 00:32:50,425 --> 00:32:53,565 if you'll stick with Wilford wherever it leads, 753 00:32:54,105 --> 00:32:58,725 you can go back or you can stay as stay in the spirit world. 754 00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:01,045 She decides to go back. Oh, wow. 755 00:33:01,155 --> 00:33:05,045 Well, he's so much in tune that he'd already offered her 756 00:33:05,385 --> 00:33:08,525 to the Lord when they thought she was dead. 757 00:33:09,025 --> 00:33:11,045 But then he senses that something's changed. 758 00:33:11,585 --> 00:33:12,885 And so he gives her a blessing. 759 00:33:13,465 --> 00:33:16,165 And there she comes where she comes 760 00:33:16,545 --> 00:33:19,405 and she recounts to him, her being in the room 761 00:33:19,405 --> 00:33:23,045 with these two angels who give her this choice. 762 00:33:23,865 --> 00:33:26,605 And she's all in. Yeah. She's back. 763 00:33:27,185 --> 00:33:28,765 And then they continue on their way, 764 00:33:29,105 --> 00:33:32,325 and then a, they have a, an, he does his mission 765 00:33:32,325 --> 00:33:33,565 to England after that. 766 00:33:34,065 --> 00:33:36,965 That's in 1839 to 1841. 767 00:33:37,585 --> 00:33:40,685 He then goes to a mission to the Eastern States. 768 00:33:40,905 --> 00:33:42,245 In fact, he does two of them. 769 00:33:42,905 --> 00:33:44,205 And on the second one 770 00:33:44,205 --> 00:33:46,365 of those is when the prophet is martyred. 771 00:33:46,705 --> 00:33:49,845 So he's not there. He's in the Eastern States. Mm-Hmm. 772 00:33:49,885 --> 00:33:53,565 . And then in 1845, he's called 773 00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:55,405 as a European mission president. 774 00:33:55,785 --> 00:33:59,165 And he and Phoebe take their family with them to Europe. 775 00:33:59,705 --> 00:34:03,245 Wow. To preside, basically the British Isles. 776 00:34:03,285 --> 00:34:04,685 I mean, that's where they were. 777 00:34:05,185 --> 00:34:08,405 And to preside over that mission for a couple of years. 778 00:34:08,635 --> 00:34:10,005 Yeah. And at this time, 779 00:34:10,115 --> 00:34:11,805 he's an apostle as well, is that right? 780 00:34:11,945 --> 00:34:13,845 Yes. He was made an apostle. 781 00:34:13,945 --> 00:34:18,925 He, he got the word from Thomas B. Marsh, who was president 782 00:34:18,925 --> 00:34:22,245 of the quorum, sent him a letter while he was in the Fox 783 00:34:22,315 --> 00:34:24,525 Islands, but he hasn't been ordained. 784 00:34:24,625 --> 00:34:26,405 He actually goes too far west. 785 00:34:26,955 --> 00:34:30,485 This is at Revelation that Joseph Smith had received 786 00:34:30,485 --> 00:34:33,685 that the apostles are to leave from far west, 787 00:34:34,435 --> 00:34:37,325 even though it's now in basically enemy hands. 788 00:34:37,765 --> 00:34:38,965 Hmm. You know, the, 789 00:34:39,265 --> 00:34:41,285 the tractors from the church were in charge, 790 00:34:41,785 --> 00:34:43,285 and so they do it at 2:00 AM 791 00:34:43,825 --> 00:34:47,965 but he actually gets ordained an apostle along with a couple 792 00:34:47,985 --> 00:34:52,525 of the other apostles on the cornerstone, the temple site, 793 00:34:52,525 --> 00:34:54,405 because that's all there is at the temple 794 00:34:54,405 --> 00:34:55,485 site really at that time. 795 00:34:56,025 --> 00:35:00,245 And then they go back to Kirtland to leave on their mission. 796 00:35:00,945 --> 00:35:04,325 So exact obedience he does, the Lord said it was supposed 797 00:35:04,325 --> 00:35:05,365 to be in Far West. 798 00:35:05,385 --> 00:35:07,725 So we're going to far West. Yeah. 799 00:35:07,835 --> 00:35:10,205 Brigham Young and a couple of the other apostles are 800 00:35:10,205 --> 00:35:12,285 who ordained him an apostle. 801 00:35:12,635 --> 00:35:15,445 Yeah. And then at the, the end of the, I mean, he sort 802 00:35:15,445 --> 00:35:18,405 of just goes from being a missionary, becomes an apostle, 803 00:35:18,405 --> 00:35:21,645 and then that launches him off to a different season of life 804 00:35:21,645 --> 00:35:23,925 with temples and apostleship. 805 00:35:23,925 --> 00:35:26,925 Well, he's, he's in charge of one of the pioneer companies. 806 00:35:27,385 --> 00:35:30,325 You know, he goes back and forth a couple of times. 807 00:35:30,675 --> 00:35:33,325 He's, he's all in . Yeah. Never stops. 808 00:35:33,545 --> 00:35:36,925 He never stops a Anything else about his missionary years 809 00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:38,350 that that would be worth mentioning? 810 00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:39,750 Or do we give a good summary there? 811 00:35:40,065 --> 00:35:42,725 No, I think, I think, you know, these things 812 00:35:42,725 --> 00:35:44,925 that he learned about consecrated service, 813 00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:47,405 and in fact, any mission president would love 814 00:35:47,405 --> 00:35:49,165 to have a missionary who said, . 815 00:35:49,235 --> 00:35:51,605 Well, the things I've been working on are consecrated 816 00:35:51,835 --> 00:35:56,405 service, joyful, hard work, you know, opening my mouth, 817 00:35:56,775 --> 00:35:59,165 being willing to do whatever the Lord wants me to do. 818 00:36:00,065 --> 00:36:02,605 And what was the, the, uh, exact obedience, right? 819 00:36:02,605 --> 00:36:03,885 The exact obedience. Mm-Hmm. . 820 00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:05,325 I mean, if you're a mission president, 821 00:36:05,345 --> 00:36:06,645 that's like, he died and went to heaven. 822 00:36:07,005 --> 00:36:08,005 . That's right. Yeah. 823 00:36:08,305 --> 00:36:09,525 And Wilfred learned all of those, 824 00:36:09,665 --> 00:36:11,845 and he's, he practices them. 825 00:36:12,065 --> 00:36:15,405 So you see it over and over again. Yeah. Yeah. 826 00:36:15,405 --> 00:36:18,805 That's fantastic. And again, he's just, uh, you know, 827 00:36:18,895 --> 00:36:21,245 feeds into his leadership and blesses him 828 00:36:21,245 --> 00:36:23,165 and the church for, for decades to come. 829 00:36:23,425 --> 00:36:26,605 So Yeah. Anything else worth mentioning as far as the, 830 00:36:27,085 --> 00:36:28,685 I even know that's a whole, maybe a whole nother podcast 831 00:36:28,785 --> 00:36:31,285 or not, but the later years at Temple work St. 832 00:36:31,285 --> 00:36:34,525 George Temple. Well, some of the things you see in this are 833 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:38,165 that, so he was one of four apostles that was asked 834 00:36:38,185 --> 00:36:41,605 to memorize all of the temple ordinances in Lavu. 835 00:36:42,265 --> 00:36:44,565 And he then becomes, he kind 836 00:36:44,565 --> 00:36:47,165 of runs the endowment house in Salt Lake, 837 00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:49,605 but it was only doing live ordinances. 838 00:36:49,705 --> 00:36:53,445 Mm-Hmm. , when the temple in St. 839 00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:56,645 George is ready, Brigham Young calls him 840 00:36:56,645 --> 00:36:58,485 to be the president of the temple. 841 00:36:59,765 --> 00:37:03,345 He then works with Brigham and a couple of others. 842 00:37:03,885 --> 00:37:06,345 That's the first time they write down the ordinances. 843 00:37:06,715 --> 00:37:09,105 Prior to that, everybody memorized them. Yeah. 844 00:37:09,245 --> 00:37:11,665 And we're talking like six, seven hours worth of Oh yeah. 845 00:37:11,865 --> 00:37:14,345 I mean, this was, they today's Yeah. . 846 00:37:14,405 --> 00:37:17,025 And so he writes them down 847 00:37:17,845 --> 00:37:20,145 and he becomes basically the steward 848 00:37:20,245 --> 00:37:21,865 of all things temple at that point. 849 00:37:21,865 --> 00:37:25,305 Mm-Hmm. , it's later that, that's 1877 850 00:37:25,855 --> 00:37:29,945 when the temple is dedicated like they had with Navu, 851 00:37:29,945 --> 00:37:31,865 they dedicate the baptistry first, 852 00:37:31,925 --> 00:37:35,025 and they, as it gets more done, they dedicate more of it. 853 00:37:35,445 --> 00:37:40,385 But in August of 1877 is when the founding fathers 854 00:37:40,965 --> 00:37:43,025 and several prominent men 855 00:37:43,025 --> 00:37:44,865 and women come to him in the temple 856 00:37:45,445 --> 00:37:48,425 and basically say, why aren't you doing our work? 857 00:37:48,575 --> 00:37:52,905 Yeah. And this of course leads him to do the research 858 00:37:53,005 --> 00:37:54,305 to figure out who's who. 859 00:37:54,765 --> 00:37:58,505 He actually adds some people to the list that he, 860 00:37:58,805 --> 00:38:00,385 the Lord tells him, you ought 861 00:38:00,385 --> 00:38:01,785 to do this work for all of these. 862 00:38:02,445 --> 00:38:04,465 And so there are lots of 'em that he does. Mm-Hmm. 863 00:38:04,505 --> 00:38:08,265 . But then he begins to start looking at, well, 864 00:38:08,265 --> 00:38:10,785 what about all the work that needs to be done? 865 00:38:11,325 --> 00:38:15,025 And prior to this time, they had not had 866 00:38:15,645 --> 00:38:19,145 people do work other than for their own ancestors. 867 00:38:19,645 --> 00:38:23,185 And of course he's now gonna be an avid genealogist. Yeah. 868 00:38:23,525 --> 00:38:26,785 And he ends up doing, having the work done 869 00:38:27,405 --> 00:38:29,905 for 3000 plus of his ancestors. 870 00:38:30,365 --> 00:38:33,185 But a lot of that was because he also goes to the Lord 871 00:38:33,185 --> 00:38:34,745 and he says, how am I gonna get this done? 872 00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:38,525 And the Lord says, well let other people help you. 873 00:38:38,945 --> 00:38:40,045 And that's when they start. 874 00:38:40,465 --> 00:38:45,085 Oh, you mean somebody who's done their own ordinances could 875 00:38:45,085 --> 00:38:47,845 come and do it for somebody else that isn't a relative Yeah. 876 00:38:48,105 --> 00:38:49,805 And all of that. So Yeah. 877 00:38:49,805 --> 00:38:53,285 That, I mean, he's so tenacious about things 878 00:38:53,985 --> 00:38:56,165 and he wants to do it exactly the way the 879 00:38:56,165 --> 00:38:57,245 Lord wants it done. 880 00:38:58,025 --> 00:39:01,605 And so you can see this continually refinement 881 00:39:02,065 --> 00:39:03,365 of temple ordinances. 882 00:39:03,365 --> 00:39:06,725 Mm-Hmm. much more by 1898. 883 00:39:07,105 --> 00:39:11,285 And of course he's gonna then be in charge of making sure 884 00:39:11,315 --> 00:39:13,965 that the Manti temple, the Logan Temple, 885 00:39:14,025 --> 00:39:17,845 and the Salt Lake Temple, all are following the standards 886 00:39:17,845 --> 00:39:19,125 that have been set in St. 887 00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:21,525 George. Mm-Hmm. . Which is great. Yeah. 888 00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:24,525 You know, became a model that blessed the following temples. 889 00:39:24,525 --> 00:39:26,725 Right. Yeah. Yeah. He then, obviously, 890 00:39:26,725 --> 00:39:30,605 once he becomes the prophet, when John Taylor passes away, 891 00:39:31,265 --> 00:39:32,725 it doesn't happen overnight. 892 00:39:33,145 --> 00:39:35,925 We now all know what's supposed to happen. Mm-Hmm. 893 00:39:35,965 --> 00:39:38,125 he knew what was supposed to happen. 894 00:39:38,305 --> 00:39:41,085 But it turned out that because of polygamy 895 00:39:41,465 --> 00:39:43,845 and the pressure that the United States, 896 00:39:44,305 --> 00:39:48,005 the United States had already started taking assets 897 00:39:48,305 --> 00:39:49,405 and arresting people 898 00:39:49,545 --> 00:39:51,885 and everything else who are polygamists. 899 00:39:51,985 --> 00:39:54,685 So, and then they're gonna get even more severe. 900 00:39:55,265 --> 00:39:59,525 But initially when he becomes, when John Taylor dies, 901 00:40:00,235 --> 00:40:04,045 it's about, must be about 1887. 902 00:40:04,825 --> 00:40:06,845 He doesn't get made the prophet, 903 00:40:07,385 --> 00:40:11,925 but he is the president of the quorum of the 12. 904 00:40:12,465 --> 00:40:14,925 So he's effectively running the church, 905 00:40:15,465 --> 00:40:19,765 but he can't get the apostles to agree some of them Mm-Hmm. 906 00:40:19,805 --> 00:40:21,205 on his counselors. 907 00:40:21,665 --> 00:40:24,165 And in fact, even one of the young ones comes to him 908 00:40:24,225 --> 00:40:27,365 and suggests somebody else ought to be the prophet Oh, wow. 909 00:40:27,645 --> 00:40:29,445 . And tells him who it should be, 910 00:40:29,455 --> 00:40:30,605 Uhhuh , you know, . 911 00:40:31,065 --> 00:40:34,525 And, but he is so committed to, 912 00:40:34,895 --> 00:40:36,965 we're gonna do this the way the Lord wants it done, 913 00:40:36,985 --> 00:40:38,965 and that means we have to be unified. 914 00:40:39,465 --> 00:40:42,605 But he also is committed to, I need these counselors. 915 00:40:43,225 --> 00:40:45,205 And George Q Canon was one of those, 916 00:40:45,305 --> 00:40:48,965 and that was the issue was George Ku Canon was the smartest 917 00:40:49,305 --> 00:40:52,045 guy in the room, and everybody knew it, 918 00:40:52,045 --> 00:40:53,445 including George . 919 00:40:53,705 --> 00:40:55,845 And it drove other people nuts, . 920 00:40:56,465 --> 00:41:00,805 But he also knew Washington dc He knew the law, he knew 921 00:41:00,805 --> 00:41:03,365 what the government could and couldn't do, 922 00:41:04,065 --> 00:41:06,325 and they have to pass a law to do this 923 00:41:06,725 --> 00:41:07,765 'cause they can't do it just 924 00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:09,285 because they say they wanna do it. 925 00:41:09,785 --> 00:41:12,485 And so he desperately wanted him 926 00:41:12,585 --> 00:41:13,845 and knew the Lord wanted him. 927 00:41:14,205 --> 00:41:15,765 Hmm. Well, it took 928 00:41:16,305 --> 00:41:19,805 not quite two years from the time John Taylor died 929 00:41:20,385 --> 00:41:24,885 before the first presidency gets organized in October of 89. 930 00:41:25,545 --> 00:41:27,645 And that was because they weren't unified. 931 00:41:28,065 --> 00:41:31,285 And he would have, towards the end of that period, 932 00:41:31,945 --> 00:41:33,805 he knew they had to get organized 933 00:41:33,805 --> 00:41:38,485 because he knew that polygamy and the issues around it, 934 00:41:38,715 --> 00:41:40,885 because they were about to take the temples. 935 00:41:40,885 --> 00:41:44,565 Yeah. And he said, we have to have a first presidency. 936 00:41:45,105 --> 00:41:48,885 And so he would have 12, 14 hour meetings 937 00:41:49,635 --> 00:41:51,045 with the 12. 938 00:41:51,745 --> 00:41:54,245 Of course now they're in hiding, so you gotta do it . 939 00:41:54,245 --> 00:41:56,005 Yeah. Like that. It's tricky. 940 00:41:56,265 --> 00:41:57,725 And they do several days of those, 941 00:41:57,825 --> 00:42:00,925 and finally everybody feels the spirit 942 00:42:01,025 --> 00:42:03,645 and says, absolutely, this is right. 943 00:42:03,975 --> 00:42:07,365 We're all with you. And so October conference, 944 00:42:07,635 --> 00:42:09,285 there's a new first presidency. 945 00:42:09,795 --> 00:42:12,085 Yeah. And, you know, it's only a year later 946 00:42:12,185 --> 00:42:13,485 before the manifesto. 947 00:42:13,985 --> 00:42:16,205 So Yeah. That was really needed crucial a 948 00:42:16,205 --> 00:42:17,245 first presidency to do that. 949 00:42:17,435 --> 00:42:19,845 Yeah. But he was patient, I mean, 950 00:42:20,265 --> 00:42:21,805 but he knew he wanted to do it the 951 00:42:21,805 --> 00:42:22,925 way the Lord wanted it done. 952 00:42:22,925 --> 00:42:25,005 Mm-Hmm. And that was unified. Yeah. 953 00:42:25,075 --> 00:42:27,925 Everybody's gotta be on board. Right. Yeah. 954 00:42:27,925 --> 00:42:30,805 And that's, you know, just reading generally about his life, 955 00:42:31,315 --> 00:42:34,125 like from a leadership standpoint, just to see the, 956 00:42:34,185 --> 00:42:36,565 you know, just like those situations where there's this, uh, 957 00:42:36,565 --> 00:42:38,005 push and pull with decisions. 958 00:42:38,005 --> 00:42:40,205 Yeah. And we like to think that he woke up 959 00:42:40,205 --> 00:42:41,885 and , he said, thus sayeth the Lord, 960 00:42:41,885 --> 00:42:42,885 this is the direction we're going. 961 00:42:42,985 --> 00:42:46,245 But yeah. And I think in modern day leadership, we have 962 00:42:46,245 --> 00:42:47,925 to be okay with someone that's like, man, 963 00:42:47,945 --> 00:42:50,565 why can't I get the relief society over on my side? 964 00:42:50,665 --> 00:42:53,325 You know? Yeah. But, but no, this is part of the, 965 00:42:53,545 --> 00:42:54,645 the consecration Yeah. 966 00:42:54,645 --> 00:42:55,925 The sanctification that happens 967 00:42:56,065 --> 00:42:58,125 of getting in and working it out. 968 00:42:58,235 --> 00:42:59,965 Yeah. And we become better people because of it. 969 00:43:00,145 --> 00:43:01,245 And why does it take so long? 970 00:43:01,325 --> 00:43:05,125 I mean, people often will comment on the church is being a 971 00:43:05,285 --> 00:43:08,965 very conservative organization in terms of rates of change. 972 00:43:09,505 --> 00:43:11,885 Now, president Nelson doesn't look like that , 973 00:43:12,265 --> 00:43:14,485 but people would consider him conservative. 974 00:43:15,025 --> 00:43:18,125 But you also have to know that he would never have 975 00:43:18,795 --> 00:43:21,965 done all the things that people consider changes 976 00:43:22,905 --> 00:43:24,805 in the way we carry out the gospel. 977 00:43:25,065 --> 00:43:27,365 And Mm-Hmm. the way the church functions, 978 00:43:28,265 --> 00:43:30,925 unless it had been revealed by the Lord. 979 00:43:31,285 --> 00:43:33,165 'cause President Nelson wouldn't have done it. 980 00:43:33,825 --> 00:43:36,405 And all of the apostles agreed. Yeah. 981 00:43:36,625 --> 00:43:38,165 So, yeah, it's a beautiful system. Yeah. 982 00:43:38,315 --> 00:43:39,965 It's a great system. Yeah. Awesome. 983 00:43:40,555 --> 00:43:43,605 Well, uh, any, if people wanted to kind 984 00:43:43,605 --> 00:43:45,565 of jump into the Wilfred Woodruff papers 985 00:43:45,785 --> 00:43:47,245 and, I mean, what's available now 986 00:43:47,245 --> 00:43:49,765 and what, I mean, what, oh, what would you encourage people 987 00:43:49,765 --> 00:43:52,765 to dot 25,000 pages have been published? 988 00:43:53,175 --> 00:43:55,645 There are three things you might think about doing. Okay. 989 00:43:55,645 --> 00:44:00,565 Obviously we use volunteers and interns extensively. 990 00:44:01,185 --> 00:44:03,845 Now the interns are paid part-time students. 991 00:44:04,505 --> 00:44:06,965 So they're particularly, you know, think 992 00:44:06,965 --> 00:44:08,565 of all your favorite institutions. 993 00:44:08,585 --> 00:44:10,245 And yes, we have them from there too. 994 00:44:10,375 --> 00:44:13,605 Uhhuh, , . So we probably have 50 995 00:44:13,625 --> 00:44:14,765 or 60 interns. 996 00:44:15,265 --> 00:44:19,205 And they're terrific because they're very well trained. 997 00:44:19,995 --> 00:44:22,805 They love it, it's strengthening their testimony, 998 00:44:23,105 --> 00:44:25,485 but they then also help train our volunteers 999 00:44:26,105 --> 00:44:27,685 and pair with our volunteers. 1000 00:44:27,755 --> 00:44:31,245 When we, when we get to the second stage of, first of all, 1001 00:44:31,245 --> 00:44:32,845 you have to transcribe everything. 1002 00:44:33,785 --> 00:44:35,885 And we're doing letters now, for example, 1003 00:44:35,995 --> 00:44:37,565 that were mission calls 1004 00:44:37,745 --> 00:44:40,885 or those people responding to their mission call, 1005 00:44:41,175 --> 00:44:42,725 which are fascinating letters. 1006 00:44:42,905 --> 00:44:46,085 So these are, Wilfred Woodruff wrote a letter calling them, 1007 00:44:46,585 --> 00:44:49,685 and they're writing back saying, well, I can't go right now, 1008 00:44:49,705 --> 00:44:51,845 or, yeah, I'll drop everything and go. 1009 00:44:52,385 --> 00:44:54,725 Or, you know, here's my situation. 1010 00:44:54,975 --> 00:44:56,645 Could I wait for a few months? 1011 00:44:56,825 --> 00:44:58,805 And, and then he writes back to 'em. 1012 00:44:58,805 --> 00:45:00,925 So there's all of that kind of thing going on. Mm-Hmm. 1013 00:45:00,965 --> 00:45:03,445 . But being involved in the transcription, 1014 00:45:03,625 --> 00:45:07,765 the verification, and getting it published online, 1015 00:45:08,675 --> 00:45:10,005 we'd love those volunteers. 1016 00:45:10,385 --> 00:45:11,765 So that's one thing to do. Cool. 1017 00:45:11,865 --> 00:45:13,765 And it's more interesting than indexing, 1018 00:45:13,925 --> 00:45:16,565 I can tell you , which is still important, but, uh, 1019 00:45:17,025 --> 00:45:18,685 and you can do it remotely. 1020 00:45:19,385 --> 00:45:23,965 So my wife does some with our daughter where she's in Texas 1021 00:45:24,185 --> 00:45:26,965 and you know, they've got their cell phones on, 1022 00:45:26,965 --> 00:45:28,125 they're at their computers, 1023 00:45:28,385 --> 00:45:30,965 but they're looking at the same thing on their computers. 1024 00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:35,245 It's an edit system that we Yeah. Do everything on. 1025 00:45:35,705 --> 00:45:37,965 So that's one kind of involvement. 1026 00:45:38,525 --> 00:45:41,205 A second kind of involvement is we have a newsletter 1027 00:45:41,825 --> 00:45:45,405 and we have all of these partnerships with other people, 1028 00:45:46,065 --> 00:45:48,325 and they're identified in the newsletter. 1029 00:45:48,865 --> 00:45:51,445 So if you wanna know what's exciting 1030 00:45:51,465 --> 00:45:53,005 and what's recently been found 1031 00:45:53,025 --> 00:45:57,565 and that kind of thing, you just go to our website, sign up 1032 00:45:57,565 --> 00:46:00,125 for the newsletter, and we'll send you, 1033 00:46:00,125 --> 00:46:01,285 every month you'll get a newsletter 1034 00:46:01,285 --> 00:46:04,045 and it'll have quotes from Milford Woodruff. 1035 00:46:04,065 --> 00:46:06,205 And I'll mention one of the partnerships 1036 00:46:06,205 --> 00:46:09,365 that we're doing now that is fascinating, is 1037 00:46:09,365 --> 00:46:10,405 for Come Follow Me. 1038 00:46:11,165 --> 00:46:13,125 'cause next year we do the Book of Mormon, 1039 00:46:13,125 --> 00:46:14,645 then we're going back to church history. 1040 00:46:14,665 --> 00:46:17,205 Mm-Hmm. . Well, all of the things, 1041 00:46:17,665 --> 00:46:20,205 by the time we get there, 90% 1042 00:46:20,205 --> 00:46:22,205 of 'em will have been published on the website. 1043 00:46:22,385 --> 00:46:25,005 So they'll all be referenced and come follow me. Oh, cool. 1044 00:46:25,435 --> 00:46:29,415 So anytime Wilfred Woodruff was involved or recorded 1045 00:46:29,555 --> 00:46:32,775 or did something in connection with that section 1046 00:46:32,795 --> 00:46:34,175 of the Doctrine and covenants, 1047 00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:38,055 or this topic that's in, come follow me in that year, 1048 00:46:38,635 --> 00:46:43,135 2025, it'll have a footnote saying, go 1049 00:46:43,135 --> 00:46:45,095 to this part, this place, 1050 00:46:45,155 --> 00:46:46,895 and you'll be able to read the original 1051 00:46:47,515 --> 00:46:48,575 and see what went on. 1052 00:46:48,635 --> 00:46:50,175 That's cool. Which is really cool. 1053 00:46:50,555 --> 00:46:53,095 And of course you can donate. That's the third thing. 1054 00:46:53,535 --> 00:46:56,295 Absolutely. Sure. Because we're paying these interns, that's 1055 00:46:56,295 --> 00:46:59,535 where most of the money we are raising is going. 1056 00:47:00,315 --> 00:47:03,295 And they've really quickened the pace of the project. 1057 00:47:04,035 --> 00:47:06,415 And in fact, now we're sharing with some 1058 00:47:06,415 --> 00:47:08,695 of the other projects the church has going on, 1059 00:47:08,755 --> 00:47:11,855 or partnering with like the Brigham Young Papers 1060 00:47:12,115 --> 00:47:13,295 and other groups, 1061 00:47:13,885 --> 00:47:17,855 because the interns have turned out to be such a blessing, 1062 00:47:18,595 --> 00:47:19,975 and it's accelerated it 1063 00:47:20,315 --> 00:47:23,095 and made us more productive, so it's not gonna be nearly 1064 00:47:23,155 --> 00:47:24,455 as expensive as we thought. 1065 00:47:24,595 --> 00:47:27,015 Oh, good. It's still gonna cost a fair amount of money. 1066 00:47:27,085 --> 00:47:29,570 Yeah. And it's not gonna take as long as we thought. 1067 00:47:29,635 --> 00:47:32,125 Awesome. So we're about half done, we think. 1068 00:47:32,665 --> 00:47:36,125 We think it'll be a total of about seven years 1069 00:47:36,545 --> 00:47:37,685 to get the whole thing done. 1070 00:47:38,065 --> 00:47:41,045 Wow. We're at about three and a half. Okay. All right. 1071 00:47:41,045 --> 00:47:42,645 Well, we'll look forward to following all this. 1072 00:47:42,785 --> 00:47:44,245 And the website, I'll just say, yeah, 1073 00:47:44,595 --> 00:47:47,165 wilford woodruff papers.org. 1074 00:47:47,555 --> 00:47:50,485 Nice. So if you put in wiler woodworth 1075 00:47:50,485 --> 00:47:52,005 papers.org, it'll come up. 1076 00:47:52,005 --> 00:47:55,045 Cool. And I know you have your, your team is active 1077 00:47:55,045 --> 00:47:56,565 through social media with different 1078 00:47:56,745 --> 00:47:58,125 things and quotes and Oh yeah. 1079 00:47:58,125 --> 00:47:59,645 Instagram and all sorts of stuff. Yeah. 1080 00:47:59,645 --> 00:48:01,445 All the, all the things that cool kids are doing these days. 1081 00:48:01,585 --> 00:48:03,125 So, nice. That's great. Nice. 1082 00:48:03,515 --> 00:48:05,445 Well, Steve, this has been great. 1083 00:48:05,645 --> 00:48:08,085 I just love learning more and more about Wilfred Woodruff 1084 00:48:08,085 --> 00:48:10,205 and appreciate his service and example. 1085 00:48:10,355 --> 00:48:11,925 He's Markable man. Yeah, yeah. 1086 00:48:11,925 --> 00:48:14,885 Someday I'm gonna do a whole nother podcast interview, 1087 00:48:14,915 --> 00:48:16,405 just him in the eternity. 1088 00:48:16,465 --> 00:48:17,645 So , it'll be great. 1089 00:48:18,075 --> 00:48:20,045 Just as you reflect on Wilfred Woodruff, 1090 00:48:20,185 --> 00:48:22,925 how has learning about Wilfred Woodruff helped you become a 1091 00:48:22,925 --> 00:48:24,565 better follower of Jesus Christ? 1092 00:48:25,185 --> 00:48:26,445 Uh, great question. 1093 00:48:27,115 --> 00:48:31,325 Well, one is his testimony of the Savior comes 1094 00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:33,125 through consistently. 1095 00:48:33,615 --> 00:48:35,325 Everything he wrote. Hmm. 1096 00:48:35,445 --> 00:48:38,485 I mean, so he's always talking about one 1097 00:48:38,485 --> 00:48:42,165 of the most interesting parts, which we did early on. 1098 00:48:43,185 --> 00:48:47,245 We decided to do the letters between Phoebe and Wilfred. 1099 00:48:47,305 --> 00:48:49,205 So when Wilfred's in England, 1100 00:48:49,745 --> 00:48:52,605 so in the potteries down at John Bebo's farm 1101 00:48:52,625 --> 00:48:55,045 and everything, Phoebe is back home. 1102 00:48:55,465 --> 00:48:57,565 And so the way they communicate is by letter. 1103 00:48:58,105 --> 00:49:02,125 And they, all, their letters bear testimony of the savior. 1104 00:49:02,745 --> 00:49:04,125 And it is fascinating. 1105 00:49:04,505 --> 00:49:08,005 In fact, he learns a baptism for the dead 1106 00:49:08,195 --> 00:49:10,405 because Phoebe writes it in a letter 1107 00:49:11,075 --> 00:49:13,365 from a sermon she heard Joseph Smith give. 1108 00:49:13,985 --> 00:49:15,925 Wow. And they're so excited. 1109 00:49:16,465 --> 00:49:18,365 But, you know, you get sad things too. 1110 00:49:18,705 --> 00:49:22,445 Uh, Sarah, their daughter, he learns, 1111 00:49:22,475 --> 00:49:23,805 died at age two. 1112 00:49:24,485 --> 00:49:28,565 Hmm. And he's really sad. So is Phoebe. 1113 00:49:29,105 --> 00:49:32,645 But they close the letter with, but we know where she is. 1114 00:49:32,745 --> 00:49:34,885 We know what's going on. She's fine. 1115 00:49:42,835 --> 00:49:45,405 That concludes this episode of the Leading Saints podcast. 1116 00:49:45,675 --> 00:49:46,925 We'd love to hear from you about 1117 00:49:46,925 --> 00:49:48,445 your questions or thoughts or comments. 1118 00:49:48,585 --> 00:49:51,005 You can either leave a comment on the, uh, post related 1119 00:49:51,145 --> 00:49:53,605 to this episode@leadingsaints.org 1120 00:49:53,605 --> 00:49:55,645 or go to leading saints.org/contact 1121 00:49:56,145 --> 00:49:58,125 and send us your perspective or questions. 1122 00:49:58,385 --> 00:49:59,485 If there's other episodes 1123 00:49:59,485 --> 00:50:01,765 or topics you'd like to hear on the Leading Saints podcast, 1124 00:50:01,985 --> 00:50:03,725 go to leading saints.org/contact 1125 00:50:03,985 --> 00:50:05,805 and share with us the information there. 1126 00:50:06,105 --> 00:50:08,005 And we would love for you to share this 1127 00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:10,365 with any individual you think this would apply to, 1128 00:50:10,365 --> 00:50:12,245 especially maybe individuals in your ward council 1129 00:50:12,305 --> 00:50:13,885 or other leaders that you may know 1130 00:50:14,025 --> 00:50:15,925 who would really appreciate the 1131 00:50:16,045 --> 00:50:17,245 perspectives that we discussed. 1132 00:50:18,085 --> 00:50:20,045 Remember up your teaching game by listening 1133 00:50:20,045 --> 00:50:21,685 to the David Farnsworth presentation 1134 00:50:21,745 --> 00:50:24,605 by visiting leading saints.org/fourteen. 1135 00:50:34,755 --> 00:50:38,015 - It came as a result of the position of leadership, 1136 00:50:38,025 --> 00:50:41,615 which was imposed upon us by the God of Heaven, 1137 00:50:41,715 --> 00:50:45,335 who brought forth a restoration of the Gospel 1138 00:50:45,515 --> 00:50:46,855 of Jesus Christ. 1139 00:50:47,515 --> 00:50:51,095 And when the Declaration was made concerning the own 1140 00:50:51,195 --> 00:50:52,295 and only true 1141 00:50:52,315 --> 00:50:54,855 and living church upon the face of the earth, 1142 00:50:55,675 --> 00:50:59,015 we were immediately put in a position of loneliness. 1143 00:50:59,155 --> 00:51:02,655 The loneliness of leadership from which we cannot 1144 00:51:02,955 --> 00:51:04,415 shrink nor run away. 1145 00:51:05,355 --> 00:51:09,175 And to which we must face up with boldness and courage 1146 00:51:09,875 --> 00:51:10,495 and ability.