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What you're paying there when you go and

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Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. I have

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Robert in the case joining me to discuss

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pretty much just what's going on with the

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Iran war, the legalities from The United States

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perspective and the world, and one particular document

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released on the second by the White House

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that goes through the history

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of

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in particular, Iranian, they claim, attacks on Americans

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or really just the terrorist attacks of Iran

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on Americans around the world. And I thought

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it was important to go through this,

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like, you know, detailed oriented and discuss whether

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this was true, whether there's nuance to the

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conversation, and, of course, whether this is being

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used dishonestly to try to drive support for

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an illegal war. So, Robert, how are you

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today? It's always a pleasure to have you

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on the show. It's been a while since

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we've, you know, talked. You've been writing a

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lot, you know, articles for TLAB, but we

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we haven't done the usual interviews we have

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in the past. So it's good to have

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you on because we gotta get back to

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it. Because as you know, I mean, for

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those listening as well, if you haven't watched

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watched his work, Robert has some insight in

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these conversations that I feel most people just

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either are afraid to point out or just

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don't have in general. So how are you

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today, brother?

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I'm doing great. Thanks for having me back.

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And, yeah, it's good to be in conversation,

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rather than just the articles.

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feed issue there. So just bear that in

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mind for the time difference. There'll be a

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little delay on a on the on the

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So, basically, the point today in general was,

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you know, to get into the the the

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the specifics of whether or not the claims

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they're making are actually true. But in general,

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let's just start out with, you know

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you know, what points jump out at you?

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Right? Like, in regard to the Iran war

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in this part of it, I guess, you

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know, where is there anything that jumps out

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at you that you think is important to

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discuss before we get into that that that

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people may wanna hear that you've been following?

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You know? Because there's so many angles to

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this. The illegality of the war, the the,

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you know, whether or not the appropriate measures

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were used. I mean, declaration of war, War

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Powers Act, whether or not there was an

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imminent threat, whether or not this is justified

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based on previous actions. You know? So is

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there anything else that jumps into your mind

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that you wanna start with before we get

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order as we've known it for some time

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image that was presented to us has completely

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collapsed,

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in on itself,

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not only because of the genocide in Gaza

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for two years and the inability

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of the so called international community, the United

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bodies,

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that are supposed to safeguard the world from

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genocide and these sorts of horrific war crimes

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that we saw,

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not capable of stopping what we saw in

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Gaza. But then as well with the Trump

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advancing its,

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so called border peace through,

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its UN Security Council resolution

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through the Security Council.

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so called board of peace was an attempt

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to replace the United Nations altogether,

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a nation building exercise in the Gaza Strip.

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that being said, and then combining that with

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that The US Israeli attack on Iran was

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the UN

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secretary general

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was not even capable of calling it out

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for what it was.

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parallels in terms of the illegality

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when it comes to the illegal invasion of

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what we've seen is that The United States

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didn't even bother trying to go to the

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UN Security Council for a resolution

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this time like they did,

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for the Iraq war. They tried

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even care. They've just

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swept aside the United Nations and international law.

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argument and and the framing

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of international law, I think, has become irrelevant

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in in many ways. We just look at

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the battlefield, and we've now entered the era

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of the lore of the jungle.

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as we're looking at everything that's going on,

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and The US has made a terrible mistake

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for itself. This is a war for Israel

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very, very clearly,

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and there's nothing that The United States gains

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at all. I mean, it it,

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degrades

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its power projection,

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the the power projection of the US military.

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power. It degrades it in terms of its

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not only its Gulf relations,

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but its international relations as a whole.

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the United States military is sort of getting

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embarrassed right now by a country that everybody

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was saying was a regime that's on its

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last legs and is about to collapse and

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its people hate it. And, you know, it's

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so incapable

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of doing anything,

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against the great power of The United States,

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and yet it's taking on The US and

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the Israelis

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and throwing punches in every single direction

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and willing to take on anyone else who

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wants to join in in that coalition,

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and it's holding its own. And As you

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this point that this is what we would

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be not not necessarily over the years that

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you knew that they would be able to

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succeed in fighting it off, but that this

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would be the outcome, that it wouldn't be

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some over and done thing. And a lot

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of other people who are not partisan or,

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you know, blinded by the expertise of the

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state department's perspective of Iran. Right? Did they

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just understand the reality that this is clear,

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I think. You know? And, I mean, I

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for that very reason because it opens your

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eyes to a different perspective because what else

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also not, I don't think, wise to trust

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what the Iranian government says about itself. Right?

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from that you meant you know, I believe

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you're talking about the government and the military,

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which is what you highlighted,

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hurting itself. But as most Americans may take

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that as one thing. Like, Americans

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don't benefit from this. Right? This is not

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America first. But as he's highlighting, the US

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government doesn't benefit from this. So you can

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argue a world you can see a world

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in which the government might take action that

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it benefits from at our expense. Oh, I

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what I really won't be able to hear

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in that is that they're taking action at

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its expense and our expense for a foreign

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power. I don't I don't know how. And,

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the bit the main conversation at even the

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mainstream level is starting to grapple with whether

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Israel controls US policy. Kinda crazy that we're

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long this has been broken down with facts.

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you know, we were, you know, labeled as,

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you know, conspiracy theorists and crazy people for

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discussing all of these ideas.

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everybody's been exposed to it. And and that's

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even though the facts. I would say that

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the fact that this all came from Gaza

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and the suffering of Gaza, this tiny little

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right, with a population just over 2,000,000,

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it was Gaza that collapsed

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this entire deck of cards

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and exposed the whole system.

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in the history books, and and and everyone

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recognize that that the struggle of the people

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of Gaza, their steadfastness

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enduring the genocide that they have,

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has opened everyone's eyes. If it wasn't for

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we wouldn't be here in terms of the

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way that people are now viewing the world.

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the Israelis, looking at the US government for

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what they are,

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and and they're calling them out. And and

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this is happening

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on a scale that we quite frankly could

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not have predicted, and people are saying things

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quite frankly that surprised me, that shocked me.

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People who are,

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accepted in the mainstream,

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discourse in in the corporate media now even.

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Some people are coming out and saying things.

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dramatically shifted,

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and that is because of Gaza and the

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sacrifice of Gaza and the steadfastness of its

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people.

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from that tiny little strip of land,

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and that population there of just over 2,000,000

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have changed the

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the entire planet's perception

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on global politics, on the way their governments

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function,

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and open people's eyes. And I I do

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think it's,

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it's it's a major shift. It's a an

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conversations like we're having now.

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Yeah. Exactly. And then, you know, with the

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Palestinian people, right, the the the suffering and

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the strife and the, you know, the decades,

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you know, I mean, if you can go

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beyond even just Israel, but, you know, the

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the long term suffering and the strife of

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fighting this and having the arguments always be,

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you know, like, like, even even recently, the

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art just, you know, somehow to capitulate as

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opposed to stand up for what's yours, You

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know, to just get out of the way

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instead of stand in your land. Well, they're,

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you know, while they're bombing you, it's like,

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why don't you just flee to Egypt? Because

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this is our land. You know? Like and

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and the fact that that's been going on

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for so much longer than post October 7,

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you're right. And I hope that that really

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does end up being not just a a

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footnote, but the story that the Palestinians and

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what they put themselves through are why we're

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here. You know? And and there's other parts

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to be pointed to, but that is it's

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a powerful point. And and to show the

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the determination, you know, the steadfast like, the

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choice

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to fight that in the midst of an

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insurmountable force. You know, I think that's kind

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of a good point of where the world

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is at right now, you know, and it's

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even though it can feel that way and

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even maybe, it's still important to stand up

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and fight back. And before we move on

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to the the document, I wanna point one

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more thing out you mentioned about the UN.

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I made this point just the other day

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that I or it might have been yesterday.

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It's so obvious this and it's actually a

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good point before we frame the kind of

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long term lie about what Iran is, and

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that's not to say good guy, bad guy.

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It's just to highlight that they've been misrepresented

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for what they've been doing and that ultimately,

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Iran has consistently gone to the UN in

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multiple examples, including, I believe it was February

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of of

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of of this year saying,

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if they bomb,

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we will bomb these locations. It's on a

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it's a UN document. It's it's on the

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record. I'm sure you've seen it. And so

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the point is, one, that means that they

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clearly knew that they would bomb these locations.

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They're now trying to claim more of the

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rational response even though it's a legal response

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to their attack, but also that it shows

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you they weren't planning attack. Because, clearly, they're

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going, look. If you attack us, we're gonna

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respond, which clearly is not what you would

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do if you're planning a surprise attack. You

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know? But the point is they went to

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the UN. Is that what a terrorist organization

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does? When did the as you pointed out,

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did The US or Israel go to the

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UN before they no. Just it's only so

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much you can truly ignore. You know? It's

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just it's it's incredible. And that larger point,

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I'm so glad people are starting to see

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this.

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So I have a a post that I

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saw. Actually, I originally saw Zachary Foster share

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this. Here's what he was sharing, and he

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did a little side by side breakdown of

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the comparison, and you'll see why that's relevant

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in a second. It's, basically an identical document

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to what was originally posted

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in 06/19/2025

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by the

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Foundation

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for demence excuse me, for defense of democracies,

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which as they highlight both is essentially a

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cutout at Israeli intelligence. You can decide for

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yourself. I happen to agree with the overwhelming

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influence on most of these think tanks, this

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one in in particular. And so what Steven

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here says, the most definitive White House statement

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purporting to justify The US

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Israel US war on Iran, which was from

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03/02/2026,

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statement entitled the Iran's regime decades of terrorism

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against American citizens. Here's the document from the

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White House.

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He says, a after a brief editorial opening,

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the article lists 44 incidents with a total

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of nine hundred ninety two US deaths, which

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we should address that in general before we

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get into this about the comparison to, like,

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like, bee stings in a year. You know

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what I mean? Like, the amount we're talking

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about. Also, the fact that every one of

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these people now have casually said thousands of

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Americans saying inward that's you know? Well, let's

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talk about that before we get going. The

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source of the data wasn't given. Where did

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it come from? He points out that it's

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this document. Now what's what and it's actually

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prepared by a former APAC member, which all

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of that may mean nothing to you. The

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point for me, and I think it does

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matter, is whether these things are accurate. Right?

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So before we get into the document and

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going down the list they have, it's an

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interesting point.

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Right? The the the information about what we've

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been hearing and how often we hear from

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all of them, thousands. Trump even casually said

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maybe even millions in a press conference just

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the other day. Thousands of Americans. So before

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we get into that, can can you break

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down for people listening what that number comes

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from? Like, the general sentiment of where those

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thousands were supposedly killed in the bulk they

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reference in the, you know, Iraq conversation.

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Well, first of all, to address the foundation

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for defensive Democracies,

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they,

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along with the Washington Institute for Near East

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Policy,

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which are both ultra Zionist fintechs. And if

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you look on the Quincy Institute for Responsible

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Statecrafts,

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they have,

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a project that tracks the transparency

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of the think tanks in Washington DC, and

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both of them rank,

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the lowest of the low because they take

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dark money.

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And it's

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recognized

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that they are essentially cutouts connected

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to the APAC lobby,

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and they were the cheerleaders for the Iraq

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war.

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So again, yet again,

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going into another regime change war, another forever

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war,

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you know, continuing the

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war on terror

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as it was called. Right. We're seeing that

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the White House again is citing these exact

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same think tanks,

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as its justification

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and their data.

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And so to go through them, I mean,

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we could pull them up and and and

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go through each and every single one of

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them. But in essence,

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what they're arguing is all of Iran's allies

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and and groups that are roughly connected to

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them and every single death since,

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1979,

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is somehow the responsibility

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of the Iranian government,

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of, you know, US deaths.

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And just not, you know, caring to add

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any context into anything at all,

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and blaming them from, for everything from, you

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know, roadside bombs in Iraq to Hamas,

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attacks

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in occupied Palestine to Hezbollah

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and a variety of other,

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attacks.

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It's it's utterly ridiculous. And you'll hear, by

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the way, it's

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important that you pointed out. It's like, what

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09/1996

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they're saying. And Pardon me then. Events of

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tomorrow.

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So,

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you know, you'll hear that talking point that

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these, you know,

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Israel first pro Trump people are putting thousands

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of Americans. And what they've done there

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is they're lazy, and they've just said, well,

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every single roadside bomb and every single US

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soldier that was killed in Iraq during the

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Iraq war was Iran's fault, which is ridiculous

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on the face of it. Right. And And

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that's that's kinda what I was getting at

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in that opening. So there we'll we'll go

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through in a second is not every single

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one because the lot of them kinda can

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be grouped together, but the general kind of

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long list of what they're claiming. But what

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what the the the bulk, as far as

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I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong,

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as you just highlighted, comes from, like, the

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in the illegal invasion of Iraq and specifically

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the the being, like, fought off by the

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Iran elements, which are some elements of just,

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like, what we can get into, like, the

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PMU and and what that really is, whether

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proxy,

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ally, whatever, but then specifically Iran elements that

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were there with Soleimani in fighting off that

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illegal invasion. And so

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for anyone to frame

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to which I mean, is anybody out there

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listening actually of the mind that that wasn't

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an illegal invasion? Do we pretend there were

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weapons of mass destruction? Like, it's obvious. We

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know that was illegal. And yet at the

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same time, people could acknowledge that somehow still

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wanna make the case that them fighting off

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that illegal invasion was now a terrorist act.

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And I think that's what it largely stems

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to stems back to. And then we can

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get into, like, the, you know, three killed

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here from Hamas, whatever. But would you agree

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that that's the bulk of it? And then

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the those roadside bombing point too, is that,

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like, the general sentiment?

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It's it like, from what I've seen

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on that list,

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it's

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just, oh, like, groups that Iran

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either has a relationship with or some of

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the cases don't have a relationship and have

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never had a relationship with,

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or possibly could have been involved in funding

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or are open allies with and, as part

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of its,

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access of resistances is called.

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Everything that was ever done by any of

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those groups was,

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automatically Iran's fault and as if it was

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ordered by Iran.

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I I mean, it's just ridiculous. We can

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get into the list and and we can

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go through everything, and and and I can

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address every single point they're gonna bring up.

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Yeah. You know?

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So the the point the the what I

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was just trying to get at is the

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interesting point that it's something that they continue

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to cycle through even though it's more scattered

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than what they're really trying to suggest as

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you're highlighting. And then back to the the,

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post about '9 or 92, really just what

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he framed it as, and we'll get into

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the actual list itself. You know, it's important

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to think about that, that it's it may

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seem a small thing to some people, you

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know, that you can casually just refer to

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thousands of Americans. But one thing it shows

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you is that they're being fast and loose

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with the number of people that they claim

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is sacred to defend. You know, the we

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have to honor their sacrifice, but then you

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kinda just blithely just, you know, thousands, even

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though that's not the reality. Based on the

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numbers they provide, that's 992.

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So you don't even reach a thousand. And

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then and that's not to diminish the fact

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that they were killed. And we can get

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into the reality of what they thought they

539
00:18:37,786 --> 00:18:39,390
were fighting for. But then you can compare

540
00:18:39,390 --> 00:18:42,029
it to just about anything, like, very benign

541
00:18:42,029 --> 00:18:43,869
things that take place in the country or

542
00:18:43,869 --> 00:18:45,470
over the so let's take the same time

543
00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:47,250
frame from '79 forward

544
00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:48,830
and the amount of things that, you know,

545
00:18:48,830 --> 00:18:50,595
like like I've jokingly said, bee stings

546
00:18:50,994 --> 00:18:53,394
wildly outnumber what they're pointing to. So it

547
00:18:53,394 --> 00:18:54,994
just it's a it's it's meant to make

548
00:18:54,994 --> 00:18:56,755
you feel like we're under attack and these

549
00:18:56,755 --> 00:18:59,255
people are targeting you, but by any any

550
00:18:59,315 --> 00:18:59,815
metric,

551
00:19:00,115 --> 00:19:01,634
it in fact shows the opposite. And I

552
00:19:01,634 --> 00:19:03,154
just think that's really important to think about.

553
00:19:03,154 --> 00:19:05,015
So let's go through their list.

554
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,119
For nearly a half century, the Islamic Republic

555
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,960
of Iran, the world's okay. Let's just start

556
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,440
with that. Because I just it's it's amazing

557
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,880
to me that with even what they show

558
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,480
you, we they can still make this argument.

559
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,900
The world's leading state sponsor of terrorism.

560
00:19:18,255 --> 00:19:19,535
So do you find that to be an

561
00:19:19,535 --> 00:19:21,555
accurate framing? And and if not, why?

562
00:19:22,494 --> 00:19:24,914
I mean, it it's it's ridiculous. Like, they're

563
00:19:25,855 --> 00:19:26,434
the leading,

564
00:19:26,815 --> 00:19:28,595
state sponsor of terrorism.

565
00:19:28,894 --> 00:19:30,595
I mean, did they,

566
00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:31,795
fund,

567
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,240
Al Qaeda and all of the splinter groups

568
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,220
across the region

569
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:37,500
and in,

570
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:38,940
Africa

571
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,420
and across the world? Do you know? Like,

572
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,019
a a dash, ISIS,

573
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,080
did they fund them? These are the most

574
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,085
well known. Right. Well, just in case people

575
00:19:47,085 --> 00:19:48,684
don't know, the answer is no unequivocally. So

576
00:19:48,684 --> 00:19:50,144
that's that's what he was getting at right

577
00:19:50,285 --> 00:19:51,565
there. They are not. And we'll get into

578
00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:52,845
that part in a second as well. The

579
00:19:52,845 --> 00:19:55,244
ideological overlap, the, you know, the ISIS point,

580
00:19:55,244 --> 00:19:57,164
I think, is the most insulting even as

581
00:19:57,164 --> 00:19:59,164
we can see ISIS attack Iran when Israel

582
00:19:59,164 --> 00:20:01,339
starts criticizing them. But then somehow, and they're

583
00:20:01,339 --> 00:20:03,099
the group we're told is the leading group,

584
00:20:03,099 --> 00:20:04,859
the big terrorism, but then they fight each

585
00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:06,779
other, but they're still the state leading sponsor.

586
00:20:06,779 --> 00:20:08,460
It just it's it's it it doesn't make

587
00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:10,299
any sense. You know? I I recently saw

588
00:20:10,299 --> 00:20:12,539
Rubio and others try to kind of or

589
00:20:12,539 --> 00:20:14,444
Higgseth as well, try to kind of broaden

590
00:20:14,444 --> 00:20:16,684
this out to, well, they're a state sponsor

591
00:20:16,684 --> 00:20:19,184
of terrorism. Why? Well, the leading because they

592
00:20:19,404 --> 00:20:21,164
take the money they make from their oil

593
00:20:21,164 --> 00:20:22,765
resources that, by the way, The US has

594
00:20:22,765 --> 00:20:25,724
been sanctioning to then build tunnels and weapons

595
00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:27,710
and like, what do you think about that

596
00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:29,309
claim? That first of all, that they are

597
00:20:29,309 --> 00:20:31,470
using the the resources that are being suppressed

598
00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:33,869
by the US government to build what other

599
00:20:33,869 --> 00:20:35,549
countries seem to use, but why that would

600
00:20:35,549 --> 00:20:37,309
make them the state sponsor of terrorism. Like,

601
00:20:37,309 --> 00:20:38,830
just I don't know. It it just seems

602
00:20:38,830 --> 00:20:40,350
like it's on its face ridiculous, but I'm

603
00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:41,950
trying to engage with it like it makes

604
00:20:42,029 --> 00:20:44,085
like, it's a real argument, so we're not

605
00:20:44,085 --> 00:20:45,245
just dismissing it. But, you know, what do

606
00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:45,785
you think?

607
00:20:46,644 --> 00:20:47,144
Well,

608
00:20:47,445 --> 00:20:51,544
who does Iran back? Iran backs Hezbollah in

609
00:20:51,845 --> 00:20:52,345
Lebanon.

610
00:20:52,805 --> 00:20:54,825
It backs the palace all of the Palestinian

611
00:20:55,205 --> 00:20:59,599
resistance groups, whether they're Islamic groups, Marxist groups,

612
00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:02,720
nationalist groups. They back them all. They they

613
00:21:03,099 --> 00:21:04,400
provide them all with,

614
00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:05,440
funding,

615
00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:07,759
logistical support, etcetera.

616
00:21:08,220 --> 00:21:11,440
And they also back Ansarullah in Yemen,

617
00:21:11,954 --> 00:21:12,934
and they back

618
00:21:13,474 --> 00:21:13,974
the

619
00:21:14,275 --> 00:21:15,414
Hashd al Shaabi

620
00:21:15,714 --> 00:21:16,775
or the PMU

621
00:21:17,794 --> 00:21:18,615
in Iraq.

622
00:21:19,234 --> 00:21:21,634
These are all legitimate allies that have their

623
00:21:21,634 --> 00:21:24,775
own grievances within their own borders or either

624
00:21:24,994 --> 00:21:28,130
in Yemen's case in Sana'a, they have a

625
00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:30,470
government that this is the government of Yemen.

626
00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:32,630
Two thirds of the military

627
00:21:33,410 --> 00:21:34,390
are, were

628
00:21:35,009 --> 00:21:36,309
sided with them immediately

629
00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:39,410
when they took over in 2015.

630
00:21:39,410 --> 00:21:41,170
So that that's a government there. It's not

631
00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:42,444
internationally recognized,

632
00:21:42,744 --> 00:21:44,045
but the so called internationally

633
00:21:44,664 --> 00:21:45,484
recognized government

634
00:21:45,785 --> 00:21:46,444
in Yemen

635
00:21:46,825 --> 00:21:48,525
is a bunch of Saudi stooges

636
00:21:48,984 --> 00:21:50,444
that literally put together

637
00:21:50,904 --> 00:21:53,005
a new government in exile

638
00:21:53,305 --> 00:21:56,259
out of the Ritz Carlton Hotel in in

639
00:21:56,259 --> 00:21:57,480
in Saudi Arabia,

640
00:21:58,099 --> 00:21:59,480
and have no legitimacy

641
00:21:59,779 --> 00:22:02,259
whatsoever. They're a bunch of gangsters. They've allied

642
00:22:02,259 --> 00:22:05,700
themselves historically with forces fought on the side

643
00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:08,805
of Al Qaeda and Daish, ISIS inside of,

644
00:22:09,045 --> 00:22:09,625
Yemen. So

645
00:22:10,164 --> 00:22:12,664
let's let's look at that. Oh, well, Iran,

646
00:22:13,605 --> 00:22:14,585
has backed Hezbollah.

647
00:22:15,125 --> 00:22:17,065
Well, Hezbollah is an organic

648
00:22:17,445 --> 00:22:21,065
resistance movement which grew out of Lebanon

649
00:22:21,365 --> 00:22:24,420
after the Israeli invasion in 1982

650
00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,400
when Israel killed around 20,000

651
00:22:27,779 --> 00:22:30,519
Lebanese and Palestinians. And then when the Palestinian

652
00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:32,740
resistance, by the way, were pushed out, they

653
00:22:32,740 --> 00:22:34,119
agreed to leave Lebanon.

654
00:22:34,660 --> 00:22:38,019
Israel then used its fascist militia allies, which

655
00:22:38,019 --> 00:22:38,759
were proxies,

656
00:22:39,244 --> 00:22:42,144
and there these were hardened killers to massacre

657
00:22:42,525 --> 00:22:45,265
thousands and thousands of Palestinian refugees

658
00:22:45,565 --> 00:22:48,045
in refugee camps when they didn't have anyone

659
00:22:48,045 --> 00:22:49,105
to protect them,

660
00:22:49,404 --> 00:22:51,884
and they also killed the Shia in South

661
00:22:51,884 --> 00:22:54,819
Lebanon as well. And Israel then occupied South

662
00:22:54,819 --> 00:22:57,140
Lebanon. And by the way, the when we're

663
00:22:57,140 --> 00:22:59,240
talking about the Shia in South Lebanon,

664
00:22:59,619 --> 00:23:01,779
prior to this, during the era in the

665
00:23:01,779 --> 00:23:04,599
seventies and and and before the Israeli invasion,

666
00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:06,919
the Shia were not actually,

667
00:23:08,085 --> 00:23:08,984
always hostile

668
00:23:09,525 --> 00:23:11,845
to the Israelis per se. This is the

669
00:23:11,845 --> 00:23:14,345
poorest population inside of Lebanon,

670
00:23:14,644 --> 00:23:17,285
and it's also a population that they for

671
00:23:17,285 --> 00:23:19,525
a long time, and this is goes into

672
00:23:19,525 --> 00:23:22,230
the history of Lebanon now, that population, a

673
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:24,470
lot of them historically didn't really like that

674
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:27,509
the PLO was inside of Lebanon. They they

675
00:23:27,509 --> 00:23:29,289
viewed it as a state within a state,

676
00:23:29,670 --> 00:23:32,150
and and they had some grievances against them.

677
00:23:32,150 --> 00:23:34,009
And so they weren't actually

678
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:36,170
they definitely weren't combative,

679
00:23:36,955 --> 00:23:38,955
towards the Israelis at that point. But then

680
00:23:38,955 --> 00:23:41,914
the Israelis occupied them. The Israelis murdered them.

681
00:23:41,914 --> 00:23:44,975
The Israelis brutalized them. They destroyed their homes.

682
00:23:45,035 --> 00:23:47,355
They took their their fathers and their sons

683
00:23:47,355 --> 00:23:49,914
as political prisoners, and they tortured them. And

684
00:23:49,914 --> 00:23:53,470
so then you had Hezbollah, which formed out

685
00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:54,289
of the occupation

686
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:57,490
of South Lebanon and out of the invasion

687
00:23:58,029 --> 00:24:00,029
and the mass murder of tens of thousands

688
00:24:00,029 --> 00:24:01,570
of people. And, yes,

689
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:05,534
Iran did back them. The IRGC did back

690
00:24:05,534 --> 00:24:07,454
them, and they have an affinity towards them

691
00:24:07,454 --> 00:24:10,115
because they're of the same religious group. But

692
00:24:10,255 --> 00:24:13,214
Hezbollah are an organic resistance movement inside of

693
00:24:13,214 --> 00:24:15,774
Lebanon. They're the biggest political party inside of

694
00:24:15,774 --> 00:24:19,049
Lebanon. They have social movements and and a

695
00:24:19,049 --> 00:24:21,450
a political wing and also a military wing,

696
00:24:21,450 --> 00:24:23,609
and they're the only people capable of defending

697
00:24:23,609 --> 00:24:26,170
the country quite frankly. The Lebanese army is

698
00:24:26,170 --> 00:24:27,950
is a glorified security force.

699
00:24:28,809 --> 00:24:30,890
This all being said, that's who Iran backs,

700
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:33,684
and that's why they back them. Because even

701
00:24:33,684 --> 00:24:35,764
for Iran strategically when it's backing all of

702
00:24:35,764 --> 00:24:38,105
these allies, and that's just looking at Hezbollah

703
00:24:38,244 --> 00:24:40,804
alone. When it's backing these allies to fight

704
00:24:40,804 --> 00:24:41,704
against occupation

705
00:24:42,085 --> 00:24:44,484
and to expel and and it's arming them,

706
00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:47,019
and and it's providing them with support, It's

707
00:24:47,019 --> 00:24:49,099
doing that for a variety of reasons. You

708
00:24:49,099 --> 00:24:50,940
can say it's ideological. You can say it's

709
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:53,039
a moral reason. You can make those arguments.

710
00:24:53,339 --> 00:24:55,259
But even if you're just looking at it

711
00:24:55,259 --> 00:24:56,960
from an Iranian defense

712
00:24:57,339 --> 00:25:01,180
point of view, since '9, since 1979,

713
00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:02,480
the Iranian government

714
00:25:02,835 --> 00:25:05,974
has been under sanctions. It has been constantly

715
00:25:06,115 --> 00:25:08,355
threatened by The United States, and so it

716
00:25:08,355 --> 00:25:10,755
needs to develop these allies as a protective

717
00:25:10,755 --> 00:25:13,154
shield for itself in the region. That's just

718
00:25:13,154 --> 00:25:13,894
the reality.

719
00:25:14,275 --> 00:25:17,289
They have military bases surrounding them, and they

720
00:25:17,289 --> 00:25:20,089
have threats coming from every single direction. They've

721
00:25:20,089 --> 00:25:21,549
been placed under sanctions

722
00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:24,490
for their entire existence of this government, and

723
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:27,210
then not even two years into the new

724
00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:30,410
government after the people of Iran overthrew their

725
00:25:30,410 --> 00:25:31,789
dictator, the Shah,

726
00:25:32,194 --> 00:25:34,835
who's a US installed puppet installed by the

727
00:25:34,835 --> 00:25:35,335
CIA.

728
00:25:36,355 --> 00:25:38,994
Not even two years into that government, they

729
00:25:38,994 --> 00:25:40,454
couldn't even settle down.

730
00:25:40,755 --> 00:25:43,875
Then The United States backed Saddam Hussein to

731
00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:46,660
launch a war of aggression and invasion which

732
00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:48,440
lasted for around eight years

733
00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:49,640
and killed

734
00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:51,480
around 500,000

735
00:25:51,539 --> 00:25:52,039
Iranians.

736
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:53,559
That this is

737
00:25:54,259 --> 00:25:56,820
the none nobody gets told this. Nobody knows

738
00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:59,240
this. Nobody knows about the overthrow

739
00:25:59,539 --> 00:26:00,680
of the first democratically

740
00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:01,934
elected

741
00:26:02,335 --> 00:26:03,775
leader in 1953

742
00:26:03,775 --> 00:26:05,715
by the MI six and and the CIA,

743
00:26:06,174 --> 00:26:08,095
who, by the way, it's important to note

744
00:26:08,095 --> 00:26:09,555
when we talk about a coup,

745
00:26:10,414 --> 00:26:12,434
the way that they did it is they

746
00:26:12,654 --> 00:26:13,154
funded

747
00:26:13,455 --> 00:26:16,515
and fueled through the CIA and MI six.

748
00:26:16,769 --> 00:26:17,509
They fueled

749
00:26:17,890 --> 00:26:18,390
protests

750
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:19,990
against Hamid,

751
00:26:20,289 --> 00:26:20,789
Mosaddegh.

752
00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:21,490
Yeah.

753
00:26:22,210 --> 00:26:25,009
They fueled these pro like we saw in,

754
00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:28,049
in earlier this year with these riots and

755
00:26:28,049 --> 00:26:28,789
these attacks.

756
00:26:29,174 --> 00:26:31,255
Again, they they're doing the same thing now

757
00:26:31,255 --> 00:26:33,674
as they did back in 1953

758
00:26:34,215 --> 00:26:34,715
because

759
00:26:35,335 --> 00:26:38,134
the country had a democratically elected leader, and

760
00:26:38,134 --> 00:26:40,134
he wanted to nationalize the oil. He wanted

761
00:26:40,134 --> 00:26:41,995
to take that the oil for himself,

762
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,559
and he didn't want to align himself. So

763
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,119
they installed this shop. The people overthrown the

764
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,339
shop, and then immediately,

765
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,519
under sanction, invasion of their country, hundreds of

766
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,519
thousands of people dead. And at the very

767
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:54,019
end

768
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,404
of the Iran Iraq war, after we've seen

769
00:26:57,565 --> 00:26:59,005
that this was the last year of the

770
00:26:59,005 --> 00:27:00,144
Iran Iraq war,

771
00:27:01,164 --> 00:27:02,224
The United States,

772
00:27:03,244 --> 00:27:03,744
Navy

773
00:27:04,285 --> 00:27:05,744
shoot down a civilian

774
00:27:06,045 --> 00:27:08,945
airliner and kill over 270

775
00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:10,224
Iranian civilians

776
00:27:10,684 --> 00:27:11,184
in

777
00:27:11,644 --> 00:27:12,865
in the Gulf Of Hormuz.

778
00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:16,099
Right. And so they never apologized for that

779
00:27:16,099 --> 00:27:18,500
either. Right. So And Reagan famously says, I'll

780
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,059
never apologize for the American for for the

781
00:27:21,059 --> 00:27:22,740
for America, I think he said, the way

782
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:24,820
he framed it. Yeah. Keep going. This is

783
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:26,984
this is the the problem is when you're

784
00:27:26,984 --> 00:27:29,144
like, woah. Iran backs this group, and it

785
00:27:29,144 --> 00:27:31,464
backs Hamas, and it backs Islamic Jihad, and

786
00:27:31,464 --> 00:27:32,525
it backs the PFLP,

787
00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:35,244
and, the other groups in Palestine.

788
00:27:35,625 --> 00:27:38,184
Yeah. They're fighting within the borders of occupied

789
00:27:38,184 --> 00:27:39,805
Palestine to liberate their country.

790
00:27:40,109 --> 00:27:40,609
Hezbollah

791
00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:43,789
is fighting to liberate Lebanese territory and to

792
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:46,750
protect Lebanon. The PMU, when it started backing

793
00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:49,009
the PMU and and helped found them,

794
00:27:49,390 --> 00:27:50,210
it did it

795
00:27:50,910 --> 00:27:52,690
in response to an ISIS

796
00:27:53,069 --> 00:27:53,569
invasion,

797
00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:57,105
which had taken over large swaths of Iraq.

798
00:27:57,325 --> 00:27:59,565
People don't know this because they have this

799
00:27:59,565 --> 00:28:00,465
weird fantasy,

800
00:28:01,244 --> 00:28:03,565
depiction of what happened with the defeat of

801
00:28:03,565 --> 00:28:05,965
ISIS in Iraq. The United States did not

802
00:28:05,965 --> 00:28:08,625
defeat ISIS in Iraq. The Iraqis defeated,

803
00:28:09,670 --> 00:28:12,950
the ISIS occupation. It was a brutal, bloody

804
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:15,609
battle, and and no one should have any,

805
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:19,450
illusions about it. There were many, many bloody,

806
00:28:20,309 --> 00:28:22,934
events which took place. And I'm not saying

807
00:28:22,934 --> 00:28:25,575
that there weren't bad things that happened during,

808
00:28:25,815 --> 00:28:28,294
this time. That would be incorrect to say.

809
00:28:28,294 --> 00:28:31,115
There were horrible things that happened in Iraq,

810
00:28:31,575 --> 00:28:34,774
during this time. But those the PMU were

811
00:28:34,774 --> 00:28:37,269
formed. And by the way, they had, Christian

812
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:40,410
groups involved, Sunni groups involved. Obviously, the majority

813
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:41,049
were,

814
00:28:41,509 --> 00:28:42,009
Shia.

815
00:28:42,869 --> 00:28:44,950
But not all of them were, you know,

816
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:47,430
technically on the Iranian payroll and stuff. They

817
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:49,049
were fighting to defend their country.

818
00:28:49,365 --> 00:28:51,845
So Iran threw its weight behind them, and

819
00:28:51,845 --> 00:28:53,845
they were the ground force whereas The US

820
00:28:53,845 --> 00:28:55,464
came in with the air force later,

821
00:28:56,164 --> 00:28:58,585
and obviously did some special forces operation

822
00:28:58,964 --> 00:29:01,605
and some ground operations. But the majority of

823
00:29:01,605 --> 00:29:03,365
the ground fight against ISIS was done by

824
00:29:03,365 --> 00:29:05,720
the PMU. And, again, just from a defensive

825
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:07,859
point of view for the Iranians, they're looking

826
00:29:07,859 --> 00:29:09,859
at this and go, well, if ISIS takes

827
00:29:09,859 --> 00:29:12,579
over Iraq, we're in big trouble, and they

828
00:29:12,579 --> 00:29:15,380
don't want that. So, again, it makes sense

829
00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:16,279
from a defensive,

830
00:29:17,059 --> 00:29:18,819
point of view for the Iranians to do

831
00:29:18,819 --> 00:29:21,725
this. And, again, it's it's a force which

832
00:29:21,785 --> 00:29:25,065
in Iraq protects the country from being take

833
00:29:25,225 --> 00:29:27,085
taken over by these hostile forces.

834
00:29:27,785 --> 00:29:29,705
In Yemen, we just went through it in,

835
00:29:29,945 --> 00:29:32,205
what happened in Yemen. Again, another

836
00:29:32,664 --> 00:29:33,485
US backed

837
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:34,970
dictator

838
00:29:35,349 --> 00:29:36,170
in the country,

839
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:37,769
and the people in Yemen

840
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:39,849
underwent an uprising.

841
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:42,490
And they overthrew the government,

842
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:44,789
the the regime there. The Ansar al Law,

843
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:47,475
they came in later popularly known in the

844
00:29:47,475 --> 00:29:49,875
western corporate media as the Houthis, the Houthi

845
00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:51,255
rebels to delegitimize

846
00:29:51,634 --> 00:29:52,134
them.

847
00:29:52,434 --> 00:29:53,894
But they came in and

848
00:29:54,355 --> 00:29:56,215
it they they took over Sana'a.

849
00:29:56,674 --> 00:29:57,894
And there was a revolution

850
00:29:58,755 --> 00:29:59,735
before this,

851
00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:02,990
and there were there were massive protests on

852
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:05,250
the streets and people including many,

853
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:07,490
the majority of the armed forces

854
00:30:07,869 --> 00:30:10,210
sided with Ansar Allah when they took over.

855
00:30:10,509 --> 00:30:12,825
And again, it was about sovereignty. I'm not

856
00:30:12,984 --> 00:30:15,865
here to advocate and say, hey. Everything about

857
00:30:15,865 --> 00:30:18,024
Ansar Allah is perfect and the people of

858
00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:20,744
Yemen should choose them as their government. No.

859
00:30:20,744 --> 00:30:22,264
That's not for me to decide. That's the

860
00:30:22,264 --> 00:30:24,264
people of Yemen. And all of these other

861
00:30:24,264 --> 00:30:25,804
countries, it's up to them.

862
00:30:26,207 --> 00:30:29,049
It's it's their countries. They should decide. However,

863
00:30:29,509 --> 00:30:30,250
to simply

864
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:33,690
say, well, Iran backs all these terrorist,

865
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:37,190
groups and regimes, and the PMU are part

866
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:37,850
of their,

867
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:40,890
a part of the Iraqi security apparatus.

868
00:30:41,585 --> 00:30:43,585
Like, it's just all of this is just

869
00:30:43,585 --> 00:30:45,125
so incredibly ridiculous.

870
00:30:45,904 --> 00:30:47,424
And and if you look at each case

871
00:30:47,424 --> 00:30:49,664
by case, on a case by case basis

872
00:30:49,664 --> 00:30:51,984
and you look into it, every single time

873
00:30:51,984 --> 00:30:53,599
you can make sense of it. You don't

874
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,279
need to agree with it, but you can

875
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:56,559
make sense of it. But

876
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,539
backs has the law, and I'm like

877
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,840
like, I I mean, it's just stupid. Like,

878
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720
it's it's it's ridiculous, quite frankly. It is.

879
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,160
And what and when it comes down to

880
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,680
the point that if, like, you like, from

881
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,845
the origin point, PMU, for example, which, again,

882
00:31:09,845 --> 00:31:11,284
I made this point, like, up until not

883
00:31:11,284 --> 00:31:13,365
that long ago, the US government was funding

884
00:31:13,365 --> 00:31:15,284
Iraq, which was then funding the PMU or

885
00:31:15,284 --> 00:31:17,365
arming and then acting like that's an it

886
00:31:17,365 --> 00:31:18,644
just doesn't this is your point. It's a

887
00:31:18,644 --> 00:31:20,404
logical when you look at the actual information

888
00:31:20,404 --> 00:31:22,269
that's not being surface level put out. But

889
00:31:22,269 --> 00:31:23,869
the point is from the from and that's

890
00:31:23,869 --> 00:31:25,549
not the origin point. But from ultimately the

891
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:27,789
point where, you know, just when they start

892
00:31:27,789 --> 00:31:29,869
calling them terrorists forward, you can highlight that

893
00:31:29,869 --> 00:31:32,109
the only real argument is that they are

894
00:31:32,109 --> 00:31:34,509
backed by, like, Iran proxy, which is why

895
00:31:34,509 --> 00:31:36,845
they're terrorists. And then any kind of action

896
00:31:36,845 --> 00:31:38,845
they're used, like, when the PMU responds against

897
00:31:38,845 --> 00:31:40,764
the US government for illegal actions in Iraq,

898
00:31:40,764 --> 00:31:42,524
they call it a terrorist act. My point

899
00:31:42,524 --> 00:31:43,804
is that there's a lot of things they

900
00:31:43,804 --> 00:31:45,644
point to that you can there's no like,

901
00:31:45,644 --> 00:31:47,904
like you said, with Hezbollah defending

902
00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:50,809
domestically. They're not lashing out and trying to

903
00:31:50,809 --> 00:31:52,929
overtake countries. They're responding to attacks for to

904
00:31:53,049 --> 00:31:54,970
on Southern Lebanon, for example, which we're seeing

905
00:31:54,970 --> 00:31:56,890
with with Israel or any number of these

906
00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:58,169
points we could make. You know? I think

907
00:31:58,169 --> 00:32:00,409
it's so obvious to see the one-sided arguments

908
00:32:00,409 --> 00:32:02,414
there. But as you rightly pointed out, this

909
00:32:02,414 --> 00:32:03,934
is not about good guy, bad guy. We're

910
00:32:03,934 --> 00:32:06,335
trying to show the facts, the truth. And

911
00:32:06,335 --> 00:32:09,375
if you can understand that they're misrepresenting these

912
00:32:09,375 --> 00:32:11,214
groups, and maybe you still think they're doing

913
00:32:11,214 --> 00:32:12,575
bad things. In fact, I think any power

914
00:32:12,575 --> 00:32:14,734
structure could eventually or maybe doing exactly the

915
00:32:14,734 --> 00:32:16,920
same thing, but that they are misrepresenting it.

916
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,519
And what does that mean? If they are

917
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,759
this evil terrorist organization, why would they have

918
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,359
to lie about what they're doing? You know?

919
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:23,640
And so I wanna get into the point

920
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,319
about the proxy thing before we go further

921
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:26,519
on the list. And I know we actually

922
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:27,799
do have limited time today, so I wanna

923
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:28,985
make sure we get into it. But this

924
00:32:28,985 --> 00:32:30,945
is I just I've always enjoyed talking with

925
00:32:30,945 --> 00:32:32,705
you about this stuff, Robert. And and so

926
00:32:32,705 --> 00:32:34,465
real quickly, last point on this. It's I

927
00:32:34,465 --> 00:32:36,305
think this is kinda cut to the to

928
00:32:36,305 --> 00:32:37,744
the cuts to the quick of what we're

929
00:32:37,744 --> 00:32:39,045
getting at, proxies.

930
00:32:39,424 --> 00:32:41,619
So what you highlighted there, you your quick

931
00:32:41,619 --> 00:32:42,900
point there. I forget what the group name

932
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:44,980
was, but you said Israel was basically using

933
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:47,059
their proxy in that in that discussion. But

934
00:32:47,059 --> 00:32:49,480
then we high then you highlighted the allies

935
00:32:50,019 --> 00:32:50,759
of Hezbollah.

936
00:32:51,299 --> 00:32:52,579
Yeah. You know, any number of the groups

937
00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:54,125
we're talking about that are allied and even

938
00:32:54,125 --> 00:32:56,444
gain support and and weapons and and funding

939
00:32:56,444 --> 00:32:58,444
from their allies just like the US government

940
00:32:58,444 --> 00:32:59,884
does to other countries in the world that

941
00:32:59,884 --> 00:33:01,884
we don't call them proxies. Right? So what's

942
00:33:01,884 --> 00:33:03,904
the difference in your mind? Why would Hezbollah

943
00:33:03,964 --> 00:33:06,444
not be considered a proxy of Iran and

944
00:33:06,444 --> 00:33:08,044
then any number of groups we can point

945
00:33:08,044 --> 00:33:09,640
to that we could you know, the elements

946
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,400
the Israel and US are using would be

947
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,240
called proxies. What's what's your mind that you're

948
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,339
Go ahead. What is someone that,

949
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:17,019
immigrates

950
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,980
from,

951
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:21,000
let's say, Nigeria to The United States called

952
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,740
an immigrant,

953
00:33:22,505 --> 00:33:25,944
but someone that would immigrate from The United

954
00:33:25,944 --> 00:33:27,964
States to Nigeria called an expat.

955
00:33:28,664 --> 00:33:30,825
It it's like, again, this is just it's

956
00:33:30,825 --> 00:33:31,325
propagandistic

957
00:33:31,704 --> 00:33:32,204
framing,

958
00:33:33,224 --> 00:33:35,829
and and and it's it's honestly it's,

959
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:37,529
American exceptionalism

960
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:38,730
to an extent.

961
00:33:39,349 --> 00:33:40,569
And and this is

962
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:43,269
when you want to frame the world in

963
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:46,089
terms of goodies and baddies, which is Trump's,

964
00:33:48,565 --> 00:33:49,464
Trump's rhetoric,

965
00:33:50,325 --> 00:33:51,865
in in essence. This, is

966
00:33:52,804 --> 00:33:54,484
the way that he presents the world in

967
00:33:54,484 --> 00:33:57,384
goodies and baddies, right, in the most basic,

968
00:33:59,125 --> 00:34:00,105
way of presenting

969
00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:03,349
international politics, then this is what you do.

970
00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:06,210
You know? The the bad guys, they're regimes.

971
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,429
They're not countries. They're not governments. They're regimes.

972
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:12,609
Iran can't be viewed as a government that

973
00:34:12,769 --> 00:34:13,510
you know,

974
00:34:13,889 --> 00:34:14,630
for instance,

975
00:34:15,835 --> 00:34:18,155
lately, there was an interview, I forget how

976
00:34:18,155 --> 00:34:18,894
long ago,

977
00:34:19,355 --> 00:34:19,835
with,

978
00:34:20,235 --> 00:34:22,735
professor Mohammed Morandi. He was on,

979
00:34:23,675 --> 00:34:26,715
Piers Morgan. And Piers Morgan asked him, can

980
00:34:26,715 --> 00:34:28,094
you condemn your regime?

981
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:29,549
And it's like,

982
00:34:29,849 --> 00:34:31,609
you want someone to just get on there

983
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:33,849
and just condemn a random fact about their

984
00:34:33,849 --> 00:34:36,889
government. It's like, it's a country. People have

985
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:37,389
problems

986
00:34:37,769 --> 00:34:40,510
with the policies of their government. The reality

987
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:43,630
is here that as much as I'm opposed

988
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:44,349
to

989
00:34:45,105 --> 00:34:46,324
the American government,

990
00:34:46,625 --> 00:34:49,525
the Canadian government, the British government, whatever,

991
00:34:49,905 --> 00:34:52,144
right, and I have so many criticisms of

992
00:34:52,144 --> 00:34:52,644
them,

993
00:34:52,945 --> 00:34:53,844
if suddenly

994
00:34:54,385 --> 00:34:57,585
a foreign power was invading and bombing my

995
00:34:57,585 --> 00:35:00,164
damn neighborhood and killing children,

996
00:35:00,909 --> 00:35:03,489
right, and then talking about all these stupid

997
00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:04,130
excuses,

998
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:06,909
right, as to why it's doing that and

999
00:35:06,909 --> 00:35:07,809
pushing propaganda,

1000
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:10,429
I'm gonna stand there and go, no. If

1001
00:35:10,429 --> 00:35:12,449
they were backing terrorist groups

1002
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:15,195
to run through the streets and to burn

1003
00:35:15,195 --> 00:35:16,175
down businesses

1004
00:35:16,635 --> 00:35:17,855
and attack churches

1005
00:35:19,035 --> 00:35:20,414
and and just run amok,

1006
00:35:20,715 --> 00:35:22,494
would I be in support of that?

1007
00:35:22,795 --> 00:35:25,595
Absolutely not. That's not something I would back,

1008
00:35:25,595 --> 00:35:27,515
and this is just somebody who is a,

1009
00:35:27,595 --> 00:35:29,909
you know, a dissident. I don't like the

1010
00:35:29,909 --> 00:35:31,989
policies of these governments. I have so many

1011
00:35:31,989 --> 00:35:34,389
criticisms like you do. But, again, would you

1012
00:35:34,389 --> 00:35:36,170
back your country being,

1013
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:40,250
you know, plagued with these crazy religious fundamentalists

1014
00:35:40,869 --> 00:35:42,549
that are given all this money by, I

1015
00:35:42,549 --> 00:35:45,644
don't know, Russian intelligence or Chinese intelligence or

1016
00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:48,164
whatever it would be. Like, you wouldn't. It

1017
00:35:48,284 --> 00:35:51,025
it's just obvious, but we have to present

1018
00:35:51,244 --> 00:35:52,304
our enemies

1019
00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:55,184
with, their their our chosen enemies

1020
00:35:55,539 --> 00:35:58,179
as being not human. Their governments are are

1021
00:35:58,179 --> 00:35:58,679
uniquely

1022
00:35:59,219 --> 00:36:02,259
evil. Their systems are evil. Their religions are

1023
00:36:02,259 --> 00:36:06,039
evil. Their culture is evil. Everything about them

1024
00:36:06,099 --> 00:36:08,445
is different to us, and they're not. They're

1025
00:36:08,445 --> 00:36:10,125
just not. And a lot of people see

1026
00:36:10,125 --> 00:36:12,545
for this nonsense. They do. Unfortunately,

1027
00:36:13,405 --> 00:36:15,184
most people don't have the knowledge

1028
00:36:15,565 --> 00:36:17,344
specifically about West Asia

1029
00:36:17,965 --> 00:36:19,805
to be able to elaborate. So when they're

1030
00:36:19,805 --> 00:36:21,025
asked to condemn Hezbollah

1031
00:36:21,405 --> 00:36:22,065
and Hanaz

1032
00:36:22,619 --> 00:36:25,339
and, on Sarala in Yemen as terrorists, they

1033
00:36:25,339 --> 00:36:27,179
just call them terrorists. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The

1034
00:36:27,179 --> 00:36:29,579
terrorists. Or they just call they condemn the

1035
00:36:29,579 --> 00:36:31,659
Iranian regime. Oh, yeah. I hate the Iranian

1036
00:36:31,659 --> 00:36:33,739
regime. It's like, can you tell me anything

1037
00:36:33,739 --> 00:36:36,325
about it? Do you know anything about the

1038
00:36:36,325 --> 00:36:38,485
way that the government functions? Do you know

1039
00:36:38,485 --> 00:36:40,805
about the different political camps? Do you know

1040
00:36:40,805 --> 00:36:42,885
about the history? Do you have any idea

1041
00:36:42,885 --> 00:36:45,305
about you don't, but people are pressured

1042
00:36:45,765 --> 00:36:46,265
into

1043
00:36:47,090 --> 00:36:47,590
accepting

1044
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:48,789
the,

1045
00:36:49,409 --> 00:36:51,030
the framing of the conversation.

1046
00:36:51,489 --> 00:36:53,329
And that's what they do is they they

1047
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:55,570
they want to create a certain framing in

1048
00:36:55,570 --> 00:36:57,329
a box. And if you're outside of that,

1049
00:36:57,329 --> 00:36:59,570
you're crazy, you're a conspiracy theorist, you're an

1050
00:36:59,570 --> 00:37:02,465
anti semite, you're whatever it is. And

1051
00:37:02,925 --> 00:37:04,545
this box is just propagandistic

1052
00:37:04,845 --> 00:37:07,184
nonsense. It's and and in in of itself,

1053
00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:09,025
it is inherently racist

1054
00:37:09,485 --> 00:37:10,545
crap, orientalist

1055
00:37:10,925 --> 00:37:13,565
crap, which is there. And I'm not using

1056
00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:15,164
those words. A lot of people throw these

1057
00:37:15,164 --> 00:37:16,545
words racist and orientalist

1058
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:19,510
around a lot. I definitely should. Like, anti

1059
00:37:19,650 --> 00:37:22,210
semitism is run around a lot. I use

1060
00:37:22,210 --> 00:37:24,869
them with purpose here because these

1061
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:28,610
this framing specifically is there, and that box

1062
00:37:28,610 --> 00:37:31,394
is there in order to trick you and

1063
00:37:31,394 --> 00:37:32,375
dupe you into

1064
00:37:32,675 --> 00:37:35,315
hating people that you would never hate if

1065
00:37:35,315 --> 00:37:37,075
you met them. And you would never hate

1066
00:37:37,075 --> 00:37:38,914
their culture if you went over there, and

1067
00:37:38,914 --> 00:37:40,835
you would probably think it's beautiful if you

1068
00:37:40,835 --> 00:37:43,190
went and visited Iran. If you went to,

1069
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:45,750
Palestine and and and you were to walk

1070
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:47,289
the streets and see the hospitality

1071
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:49,589
of the people and the beauty of the

1072
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:51,269
land and what they've built, you wouldn't hate

1073
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,510
the Palestinians. You would hate the Iranians. You

1074
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:55,989
wouldn't hate the Iraqis or anyone else. You

1075
00:37:55,989 --> 00:37:58,655
wouldn't, but you're supposed to view them as

1076
00:37:58,655 --> 00:38:00,655
this unique evil. I suppose this is a

1077
00:38:00,655 --> 00:38:02,574
bit of a rant here, but then, again,

1078
00:38:02,574 --> 00:38:04,355
it's just old manufacturing

1079
00:38:04,655 --> 00:38:06,195
consent. That's all it is.

1080
00:38:06,494 --> 00:38:08,255
And you it appears more of an example,

1081
00:38:08,255 --> 00:38:09,614
you know, and, like you're saying, and then

1082
00:38:09,614 --> 00:38:10,355
if you don't

1083
00:38:11,019 --> 00:38:13,099
give them that concession, right, where, yes, yes,

1084
00:38:13,099 --> 00:38:14,299
they're bad, but let me explain why they're

1085
00:38:14,299 --> 00:38:15,819
not what you think. Well, maybe we maybe

1086
00:38:15,819 --> 00:38:17,420
not everyone agrees that they're as evil as

1087
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,699
you're saying. And the point is you're not

1088
00:38:18,699 --> 00:38:21,259
allowed inside that inner conversation. You don't get

1089
00:38:21,259 --> 00:38:23,835
that upper echelon, you know, Piers Morgan. You

1090
00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:25,594
know? That that's the whole point. And and

1091
00:38:25,594 --> 00:38:26,875
and maybe some of them do have that

1092
00:38:26,875 --> 00:38:28,315
opinion. You know? Yes. Hamas is a terrorist

1093
00:38:28,315 --> 00:38:29,835
organization, but this is why this is not

1094
00:38:29,835 --> 00:38:31,914
true about this. But it's not accurate, and

1095
00:38:31,914 --> 00:38:33,275
you're right to frame it that way because

1096
00:38:33,275 --> 00:38:35,114
that's just not the truth about the nuanced

1097
00:38:35,114 --> 00:38:37,089
reality of the groups. But you can like

1098
00:38:37,089 --> 00:38:38,530
you said, we I we could both point

1099
00:38:38,530 --> 00:38:41,170
out things that we argue are crimes, even

1100
00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:43,170
rightly point out things that happen October 7,

1101
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:45,170
which should be criticized, but it's not the

1102
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:46,849
same thing. And I think it's important to

1103
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:48,609
see how that kind of, you know, same

1104
00:38:48,609 --> 00:38:50,210
thing with politicians, you know, where you have

1105
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:51,644
to kind of give them that to be

1106
00:38:51,644 --> 00:38:53,324
able to get inside the circle until you

1107
00:38:53,324 --> 00:38:55,565
compromise yourself. You know? Now to back to

1108
00:38:55,565 --> 00:38:57,005
the proxy point and one more thing before

1109
00:38:57,005 --> 00:38:58,364
we get into the list, you know, I

1110
00:38:58,364 --> 00:38:59,805
think it's really important to see that you

1111
00:38:59,805 --> 00:39:01,885
highlighted from the Iranian perspective. You know? Like,

1112
00:39:01,885 --> 00:39:03,485
it's a really important point there. We're glad

1113
00:39:03,485 --> 00:39:05,730
you outlined that. And so from Iran, you

1114
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:07,890
know, yes, they're protesting. There are real protests.

1115
00:39:07,890 --> 00:39:09,650
There have been plenty of times that they

1116
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:11,570
end up co opting. And it's very clear

1117
00:39:11,570 --> 00:39:13,329
as the unions even pointed out once it

1118
00:39:13,329 --> 00:39:15,250
turned into these armed mass people that they

1119
00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:16,929
told you they were arming. But the point

1120
00:39:16,929 --> 00:39:18,610
is that Iranians do want the you know,

1121
00:39:18,610 --> 00:39:20,094
as you often point out and do have

1122
00:39:20,094 --> 00:39:22,655
influence on government action that has changed because

1123
00:39:22,655 --> 00:39:24,175
of it. But then when you have act

1124
00:39:24,255 --> 00:39:26,175
people come in and start bombing hospitals and

1125
00:39:26,175 --> 00:39:27,855
schools, they they even if it's in the

1126
00:39:27,855 --> 00:39:29,375
interest of what they claim they want, that's

1127
00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:30,974
not what they the way they want it

1128
00:39:30,974 --> 00:39:32,494
or how they want this to go, and

1129
00:39:32,494 --> 00:39:34,110
so they speak up and criticize it. The

1130
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:35,869
analogy I make is if Republicans are trying

1131
00:39:35,869 --> 00:39:38,110
to let's say they're the insurgent force trying

1132
00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:39,869
to take over the Democrat led government, and

1133
00:39:39,869 --> 00:39:41,869
all of a sudden their Republican leader starts

1134
00:39:41,869 --> 00:39:43,650
bombing their Republican locations

1135
00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:45,550
to get that done, why would they be

1136
00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:47,474
like, yeah. You know, it doesn't make sense.

1137
00:39:47,474 --> 00:39:49,315
And that's what it's it's only in the

1138
00:39:49,315 --> 00:39:52,194
world from the dehumanized outside perspective where that

1139
00:39:52,194 --> 00:39:54,114
even and that's not what's real on the

1140
00:39:54,114 --> 00:39:56,194
ground. And you can easily prove this. You

1141
00:39:56,194 --> 00:39:58,194
know? And to back to the proxy point,

1142
00:39:58,194 --> 00:40:00,389
what I was simply saying, and I I

1143
00:40:00,869 --> 00:40:02,069
what you were saying, I think, is really

1144
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:02,569
important,

1145
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:05,109
is that it comes down to whether they're

1146
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:06,869
controlled or not. And I think that's what

1147
00:40:06,869 --> 00:40:08,710
a proxy means. If they're literally like an

1148
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:10,869
extension of the government. So the US government

1149
00:40:10,869 --> 00:40:11,369
literally

1150
00:40:11,925 --> 00:40:14,244
manufactures a group of fake people or a

1151
00:40:14,244 --> 00:40:14,744
fake

1152
00:40:16,324 --> 00:40:18,565
organization that are, you know, packed with CIA,

1153
00:40:18,565 --> 00:40:20,724
for example. That's a proxy. It's not really

1154
00:40:20,724 --> 00:40:23,204
the organization, whereas you have organizations that are

1155
00:40:23,204 --> 00:40:25,119
simply allies of other groups. Now it's for

1156
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,639
everybody out there to decide whether you think

1157
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,239
that line is crossed or not. But the

1158
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,840
important thing is to realize that a lot

1159
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,760
of these groups are, in my mind, not

1160
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,239
proxies, but simply allies versus something else. And

1161
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,760
that's really important what we're gonna get into

1162
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,260
next.

1163
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,934
So on this,

1164
00:40:39,215 --> 00:40:40,655
one thing is, first, I think as you

1165
00:40:40,655 --> 00:40:42,815
already mentioned, let's not forget. And I my

1166
00:40:42,894 --> 00:40:44,655
you'll be surprised, I think, at least I'd

1167
00:40:44,655 --> 00:40:46,494
like to hope, how well informed my audience

1168
00:40:46,494 --> 00:40:49,535
is about operation Ajax and 53 forward and

1169
00:40:49,535 --> 00:40:51,295
now what the seventy nine revolution really was.

1170
00:40:51,295 --> 00:40:53,070
And as you highlighted, we're talking about an

1171
00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:55,250
illegal revel an illegal coup d'etat.

1172
00:40:55,950 --> 00:40:58,349
Very well documented at this point. Mosaddegh was,

1173
00:40:58,349 --> 00:40:59,950
as you pointed out, I mean, I I

1174
00:40:59,950 --> 00:41:01,550
often point this out when I talk about

1175
00:41:01,550 --> 00:41:02,989
it. I can't speak to what his mind

1176
00:41:02,989 --> 00:41:05,315
was, but the the discussion of him argued

1177
00:41:05,315 --> 00:41:07,555
that he was very pro democracy, had pictures

1178
00:41:07,555 --> 00:41:09,155
of himself next to Liberty Bell, was all

1179
00:41:09,155 --> 00:41:11,235
about trying to emulate these different cultures. But

1180
00:41:11,235 --> 00:41:13,075
I understand he just didn't wanna bow to

1181
00:41:13,075 --> 00:41:14,835
the interests of the foreign powers at the

1182
00:41:14,835 --> 00:41:16,595
expense of Iranians. So they got rid of

1183
00:41:16,595 --> 00:41:18,115
him and put someone in place that was

1184
00:41:18,115 --> 00:41:20,670
willing to bow to the elitist oligarch kind

1185
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:22,750
of upper echelon. You know? And so it's

1186
00:41:22,829 --> 00:41:24,670
I think whether people agree with that framing

1187
00:41:24,670 --> 00:41:27,069
or not, it's an illegal coup d'etat that

1188
00:41:27,069 --> 00:41:28,989
I think went against what the Iranian people

1189
00:41:28,989 --> 00:41:30,690
want, and even Rock will tell you that.

1190
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:33,170
Dramatically bad for the vast majority of Iranians

1191
00:41:33,309 --> 00:41:34,974
other than that upper circle. So then we

1192
00:41:34,974 --> 00:41:36,574
come to 1979.

1193
00:41:36,574 --> 00:41:38,894
So you have the revolution. Now as you

1194
00:41:38,894 --> 00:41:40,974
often pointed out, that's doesn't mean it all

1195
00:41:40,974 --> 00:41:42,175
went in the direction of what even all

1196
00:41:42,175 --> 00:41:43,855
the Iranian people wanted or whether it was

1197
00:41:43,855 --> 00:41:45,234
more kind of a overreaction

1198
00:41:45,614 --> 00:41:47,934
in a religious sense to what Americans brought

1199
00:41:47,934 --> 00:41:50,360
in. Right? But, ultimately, regardless, it was the

1200
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,140
will of the people to push this away

1201
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,440
and ultimately then went in the direction of

1202
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,119
more, you know, like, you've talked about the

1203
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:57,640
hijab point and how a lot of people

1204
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,160
saw it more of a response to what

1205
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,860
the West was doing. All that aside,

1206
00:42:01,474 --> 00:42:02,454
'79 forward,

1207
00:42:02,755 --> 00:42:04,295
in the midst of this aftermath,

1208
00:42:04,835 --> 00:42:06,355
Iranian students, and this is from the White

1209
00:42:06,355 --> 00:42:08,755
House post, backed the regime backed by the

1210
00:42:08,755 --> 00:42:10,035
regime, and you can speak to whether you

1211
00:42:10,035 --> 00:42:11,954
think that's even the case, seized the US

1212
00:42:11,954 --> 00:42:14,594
embassy in Tehran taking 66 American hostages in

1213
00:42:14,594 --> 00:42:16,695
a four hundred and forty four day standoff.

1214
00:42:16,789 --> 00:42:19,190
This is one of the most frequently cited

1215
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:22,150
points to why Iran's a terrorist organization apparently

1216
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:24,069
or why they're killing Americans or just frothing

1217
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:25,589
in the mouth to get it done. So

1218
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:27,929
what's your understanding of that basic situation?

1219
00:42:28,469 --> 00:42:30,230
Well, the people like, this is a the

1220
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:32,505
the revolution was fresh at this

1221
00:42:32,804 --> 00:42:35,284
point. And so it was students that did

1222
00:42:35,284 --> 00:42:37,045
this, and is it backed by the regime.

1223
00:42:37,045 --> 00:42:39,045
And it's like the the government ended up

1224
00:42:39,045 --> 00:42:41,545
taking control of the situation and, of course,

1225
00:42:42,484 --> 00:42:44,664
endorsed their actions eventually. But,

1226
00:42:45,699 --> 00:42:47,480
this was an organic reaction

1227
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:49,320
because the people

1228
00:42:50,019 --> 00:42:50,519
wanted

1229
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:53,559
the Shah to be returned back to Iran.

1230
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:55,460
They wanted him to be punished for all

1231
00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:56,360
of his crimes,

1232
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:59,960
and he was a bloody and brutal dictator.

1233
00:43:00,444 --> 00:43:02,844
And this is something that everyone misses. They

1234
00:43:02,844 --> 00:43:05,885
they share these stupid black and white photos

1235
00:43:05,885 --> 00:43:08,464
of, oh, look. There were women in bikinis

1236
00:43:08,605 --> 00:43:10,284
and everything. It's like, do you do you

1237
00:43:10,284 --> 00:43:12,784
really know what the majority of Iranians were

1238
00:43:12,844 --> 00:43:14,219
living like? Do you know what it was

1239
00:43:14,219 --> 00:43:16,619
like? They they had literally Americans as like

1240
00:43:16,619 --> 00:43:19,659
settlers in their own gated communities there inside

1241
00:43:19,659 --> 00:43:21,519
of the country next to slums.

1242
00:43:22,139 --> 00:43:22,880
The population

1243
00:43:23,179 --> 00:43:24,079
were poor.

1244
00:43:24,619 --> 00:43:28,079
The population oh, women and women's rights. Yeah.

1245
00:43:28,335 --> 00:43:30,014
Did you know what happened when the Islamic

1246
00:43:30,014 --> 00:43:33,234
revolution came along? Yeah. Women became overwhelmed

1247
00:43:34,094 --> 00:43:36,335
overwhelmingly educated. They finally could have access to

1248
00:43:36,335 --> 00:43:36,994
an education

1249
00:43:37,295 --> 00:43:38,434
and higher education,

1250
00:43:38,815 --> 00:43:41,454
and they excelled in every field you can

1251
00:43:41,454 --> 00:43:44,460
imagine. And by every single metric,

1252
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,660
they,

1253
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,420
life or the conditions of life, the quality

1254
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,619
and the indicators,

1255
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,440
of life improved for them. Now you can

1256
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,525
argue about certain Islamic rulings, how they're,

1257
00:43:58,085 --> 00:43:58,585
implemented.

1258
00:43:58,885 --> 00:44:01,364
Many Iranians have problems with this, and they

1259
00:44:01,364 --> 00:44:03,364
have had problems with this. And back in

1260
00:44:03,364 --> 00:44:04,425
2022,

1261
00:44:04,804 --> 00:44:05,784
after the Messehamini

1262
00:44:06,244 --> 00:44:07,625
protests, which, of course,

1263
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,519
foreign forces hijacked them, and you have the

1264
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:11,579
women life freedom,

1265
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,440
you know, banner put up, which, of course,

1266
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,579
was promoted by Saudi Arabia. Women life freedom,

1267
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,340
women's rights and feminism

1268
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,960
brought to you by the Kingdom Of Saudi

1269
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,746
Arabia, which just gave the women women the

1270
00:44:24,746 --> 00:44:27,195
right to drive cars. But regardless,

1271
00:44:27,755 --> 00:44:29,514
when it comes to the system, there there

1272
00:44:29,514 --> 00:44:31,855
has been many changes since 2022.

1273
00:44:32,155 --> 00:44:34,474
And and that reflects the fact that the

1274
00:44:34,474 --> 00:44:37,219
government does respond to people. It does.

1275
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,239
Now that takes a lot of struggle, and

1276
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,980
the Iranian people have struggled for those changes,

1277
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:44,900
and they've bled for those changes.

1278
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,199
And it's their right to do that, and

1279
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:49,359
the and it's their country, and they should

1280
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:51,664
have that right to say, hey. We want

1281
00:44:51,664 --> 00:44:53,824
this or we don't want this because, again,

1282
00:44:53,824 --> 00:44:55,045
it is their country,

1283
00:44:55,425 --> 00:44:57,445
not ours. We have no

1284
00:44:57,824 --> 00:45:00,144
business telling them what they should do. But

1285
00:45:00,144 --> 00:45:00,885
back then,

1286
00:45:01,505 --> 00:45:02,244
with the,

1287
00:45:02,625 --> 00:45:03,844
the hostage crisis,

1288
00:45:04,369 --> 00:45:06,449
they went into that embassy, and that's how

1289
00:45:06,449 --> 00:45:08,710
we found out about 1953.

1290
00:45:08,769 --> 00:45:10,769
Because the students went in, they took over

1291
00:45:10,769 --> 00:45:13,030
that embassy. They were shredding all those documents.

1292
00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:14,070
They brought them.

1293
00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:16,849
They they took these shredded documents, put them

1294
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:18,469
together, and they found out, wow.

1295
00:45:19,094 --> 00:45:21,414
They found out so many different things because

1296
00:45:21,414 --> 00:45:23,835
it was the head of the CIA operations

1297
00:45:24,454 --> 00:45:25,835
Right. For the region.

1298
00:45:26,454 --> 00:45:26,954
So

1299
00:45:28,135 --> 00:45:29,894
so they found out a lot. And if

1300
00:45:29,894 --> 00:45:31,255
you you look at the way that the

1301
00:45:31,255 --> 00:45:33,655
Iranian government dealt with that situation, they released

1302
00:45:33,655 --> 00:45:34,635
all of the black

1303
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,159
hostages, and they released all of the women

1304
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:37,659
hostages,

1305
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,500
on humanitarian

1306
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,380
grounds,

1307
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:43,400
because they said that African Americans have struggled

1308
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,880
and been oppressed, and women, of course, like,

1309
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,119
it's humanitarian. We're not gonna go we're not

1310
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:49,864
gonna keep women. Right? And they kept the

1311
00:45:49,864 --> 00:45:52,125
rest of them. And and The US ordered

1312
00:45:52,744 --> 00:45:53,804
a a botched,

1313
00:45:54,824 --> 00:45:56,284
special forces raid,

1314
00:45:56,905 --> 00:45:57,964
which was a catastrophe

1315
00:45:58,264 --> 00:46:00,585
inside of the country to retrieve them. And,

1316
00:46:00,585 --> 00:46:03,005
again, it's like the country's placed under sanctions.

1317
00:46:03,065 --> 00:46:05,840
The United States is harboring the Shah. Eventually,

1318
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:08,300
where did the Shah die? The the Shah

1319
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:11,180
died in exile in Egypt. And then, like,

1320
00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:12,079
these cultists,

1321
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:13,519
these weirdos,

1322
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:16,059
that, you know, a lot of them live

1323
00:46:16,059 --> 00:46:18,400
in in the West who are Iranian

1324
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:21,764
and Iranian diaspora people. They go over to

1325
00:46:21,764 --> 00:46:25,045
the the shrine of, the Shah and and,

1326
00:46:25,045 --> 00:46:26,585
you know, I don't know,

1327
00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:29,284
say prayers for him or what. I guess

1328
00:46:29,284 --> 00:46:31,525
not prayers because they hate Muslims so much

1329
00:46:31,525 --> 00:46:33,684
and they hate Islam, and they deny the

1330
00:46:33,684 --> 00:46:35,065
reality of their country,

1331
00:46:35,789 --> 00:46:36,769
and their history

1332
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:39,390
as well. But the funny thing is that

1333
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:41,410
the Shah was actually a practicing Muslim.

1334
00:46:42,110 --> 00:46:44,210
Right. Right. Islam so much.

1335
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:45,489
It's so ridiculously

1336
00:46:45,789 --> 00:46:47,710
inconsistent. And, you know but, even to the

1337
00:46:47,710 --> 00:46:49,550
point of them why does it even make

1338
00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:51,284
sense that these people would go and and

1339
00:46:51,444 --> 00:46:53,444
pray and, I guess, praise the Shah at

1340
00:46:53,444 --> 00:46:55,844
his altar? It wasn't I mean, unless you

1341
00:46:55,844 --> 00:46:57,924
were in this upper elitist inner circle, which

1342
00:46:57,924 --> 00:46:59,605
would then mean you weren't representative of the

1343
00:46:59,605 --> 00:47:01,924
Iranian people, then, you know, you wouldn't feel

1344
00:47:01,924 --> 00:47:03,444
that way. So it's I my mind is

1345
00:47:03,444 --> 00:47:05,525
either people who do very much represent that

1346
00:47:05,525 --> 00:47:08,230
that illegitimate position or just doing it because

1347
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:10,469
they're being influenced today, like, Marie, what is

1348
00:47:10,469 --> 00:47:12,389
it, Marina Job and and all, you know,

1349
00:47:12,389 --> 00:47:14,869
all these US state department funded people claiming

1350
00:47:14,869 --> 00:47:16,389
it was Iranian activism. And you could look

1351
00:47:16,389 --> 00:47:17,989
that up as well. It's documented on their

1352
00:47:17,989 --> 00:47:19,574
own websites that they get funding from the

1353
00:47:19,574 --> 00:47:21,574
US Department of State. They don't want to

1354
00:47:21,574 --> 00:47:24,695
even admit that the revolution was popular. They

1355
00:47:24,695 --> 00:47:26,795
don't want to admit that. And the reality

1356
00:47:26,934 --> 00:47:30,235
was it was millions and millions of people

1357
00:47:30,695 --> 00:47:32,534
who were it was a process that took

1358
00:47:32,534 --> 00:47:36,109
years. You know? People suffered greatly. People were

1359
00:47:36,409 --> 00:47:36,909
disappeared

1360
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:39,630
by the internal security,

1361
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:40,670
forces

1362
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:42,829
Mhmm. And tortured to death.

1363
00:47:43,769 --> 00:47:45,050
Start with an s. What was it called

1364
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:45,550
again?

1365
00:47:46,184 --> 00:47:47,065
I'm from the

1366
00:47:47,465 --> 00:47:49,545
The the Savak, I think. Yes. There it

1367
00:47:49,545 --> 00:47:50,204
is. Yeah.

1368
00:47:51,545 --> 00:47:52,664
And and other,

1369
00:47:53,545 --> 00:47:55,385
as well, like, of course, there were other

1370
00:47:55,385 --> 00:47:56,105
ways of,

1371
00:47:56,744 --> 00:47:58,825
taking them and and seizing them and and

1372
00:47:58,825 --> 00:48:00,949
killing them and executing them. And they followed

1373
00:48:00,949 --> 00:48:01,349
them,

1374
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:02,969
in some cases

1375
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:06,650
overseas to to murder them. There is people,

1376
00:48:08,869 --> 00:48:11,750
that are significant in the history of the

1377
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:14,204
Iranian revolution and the lead up to it,

1378
00:48:15,164 --> 00:48:16,385
like Ali Shariati,

1379
00:48:17,965 --> 00:48:19,965
who we won't get into right now, but,

1380
00:48:20,204 --> 00:48:22,125
there's a lot of speculation that he was

1381
00:48:22,125 --> 00:48:22,625
assassinated

1382
00:48:23,164 --> 00:48:24,385
in The United Kingdom.

1383
00:48:25,164 --> 00:48:26,684
Some people say that he died due to

1384
00:48:26,684 --> 00:48:27,425
health complications,

1385
00:48:27,965 --> 00:48:29,025
but he was tortured,

1386
00:48:29,565 --> 00:48:30,065
by

1387
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:32,199
the, Shah's forces,

1388
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:35,159
and and later fled. But,

1389
00:48:36,019 --> 00:48:38,339
what we should know is that there were

1390
00:48:38,339 --> 00:48:40,819
millions and millions of people, and this was

1391
00:48:40,819 --> 00:48:43,460
a very long drawn out process inside of

1392
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:46,664
Iran, which involved all elements of the society

1393
00:48:46,724 --> 00:48:49,764
who went on general strikes, who did everything

1394
00:48:49,764 --> 00:48:50,664
in their power

1395
00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:55,684
to collapse the Shah's pro US, pro Israeli

1396
00:48:55,684 --> 00:48:56,184
regime.

1397
00:48:57,045 --> 00:48:57,784
And so

1398
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,920
when that happened, there were forces like, for

1399
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,780
instance, the communist forces,

1400
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,500
and Islamic Marxist forces,

1401
00:49:06,359 --> 00:49:08,119
and, you know, as many of them were

1402
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,460
not happy about the direction that the revolution

1403
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:11,339
went in.

1404
00:49:11,755 --> 00:49:14,155
And and there were different groups that splintered

1405
00:49:14,155 --> 00:49:15,934
off, and then you have, like, these terrorist

1406
00:49:15,994 --> 00:49:18,014
cults like the MEK, which

1407
00:49:18,315 --> 00:49:20,554
splintered off and even sided with Saddam Hussein

1408
00:49:20,554 --> 00:49:23,369
during the Iraq war. The Iran Iraq. Government

1409
00:49:23,530 --> 00:49:25,050
broadly supports and is, in fact, one of

1410
00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:26,570
the groups that many of the current US

1411
00:49:26,570 --> 00:49:28,730
administration wants to be in power when this

1412
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:30,490
might change. Just that's important to think about.

1413
00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:31,690
Yeah. And they were targeting it as a

1414
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:34,090
terrorist organization until taken off by was it

1415
00:49:34,090 --> 00:49:36,174
Clinton, I think? But I forget. And I

1416
00:49:36,174 --> 00:49:39,054
mean, this is a deeply unpopular organization. Like,

1417
00:49:39,054 --> 00:49:40,994
look. There are these psychopaths

1418
00:49:41,295 --> 00:49:44,194
who are very vocal in the Iranian diaspora

1419
00:49:44,974 --> 00:49:47,534
who are they're mentally ill. Look. They're just

1420
00:49:47,534 --> 00:49:49,614
mentally ill people. They they they are not

1421
00:49:49,614 --> 00:49:52,550
coherent. They have no grasp of the history

1422
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:53,849
at all, and they

1423
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:56,170
subscribe to cultist ideology,

1424
00:49:57,110 --> 00:49:58,650
where they basically worship,

1425
00:49:59,829 --> 00:50:02,730
whether it's the MEK or or the Shah,

1426
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:04,630
worship of,

1427
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:05,929
Riza Pavlovino,

1428
00:50:06,635 --> 00:50:08,795
who's just an Israeli stooge. I mean, this

1429
00:50:08,795 --> 00:50:11,214
this is I I I honestly believe this.

1430
00:50:11,275 --> 00:50:11,775
If

1431
00:50:12,074 --> 00:50:14,414
Reza Pahlavi, if his father was around,

1432
00:50:14,954 --> 00:50:16,494
the Shah was around,

1433
00:50:16,795 --> 00:50:18,635
and and he saw the way he was

1434
00:50:18,635 --> 00:50:21,059
behaving, he would execute his own son.

1435
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:24,760
And and that I I'm I'm I honestly

1436
00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:26,820
think that's what he would do. He'd probably

1437
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:27,800
execute it.

1438
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:31,380
It's just the that that's honestly knowing that

1439
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:33,460
I know about the history, that's probably what

1440
00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:34,280
he would do.

1441
00:50:35,539 --> 00:50:36,039
But

1442
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:36,920
this,

1443
00:50:37,565 --> 00:50:39,744
but just to to finish on this point,

1444
00:50:40,364 --> 00:50:42,144
these people do not represent

1445
00:50:42,525 --> 00:50:45,005
the bulk of the Iranian public. And if

1446
00:50:45,005 --> 00:50:46,525
you speak to a lot of Iranians, and

1447
00:50:46,525 --> 00:50:48,844
I know many, many, many Iranians inside and

1448
00:50:48,844 --> 00:50:49,344
outside,

1449
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:51,780
You have people who are more on the

1450
00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:54,260
side of opposing, very critical, but sort of

1451
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:56,180
see themselves in the middle. They don't like

1452
00:50:56,180 --> 00:50:58,019
the way the system is. They have so

1453
00:50:58,019 --> 00:50:58,920
many criticisms

1454
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:01,780
of it. Right? And they can tell you,

1455
00:51:01,780 --> 00:51:03,380
you know, they can be talking to you

1456
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:05,445
all night about how much they hate this,

1457
00:51:05,445 --> 00:51:07,465
that, and the other inside of their country.

1458
00:51:08,005 --> 00:51:11,144
And and that probably is, like, a very

1459
00:51:11,204 --> 00:51:14,164
big portion of the Iranian population. They're they're

1460
00:51:14,164 --> 00:51:16,005
like that. Very Just like in The United

1461
00:51:16,005 --> 00:51:16,505
States.

1462
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,219
Just like in United States.

1463
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:19,019
Exactly.

1464
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,199
Exactly. Like The United like every other country

1465
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:23,099
you can imagine.

1466
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,519
And most countries are like this. And then

1467
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:29,159
there is a loyal base of supporters. We're

1468
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,199
talking about a population that is over 92,000,000

1469
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,454
people. There is probably around 20 to 30,000,000,

1470
00:51:35,454 --> 00:51:38,655
it's estimated, who are, like, loyal. Right? And

1471
00:51:38,655 --> 00:51:41,375
this is in large part because that government

1472
00:51:41,375 --> 00:51:42,675
is a religious government,

1473
00:51:42,974 --> 00:51:45,235
and so it has a religious leadership.

1474
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:48,070
And so for them, this is like a

1475
00:51:48,070 --> 00:51:48,570
a,

1476
00:51:48,949 --> 00:51:50,570
something that is spiritual.

1477
00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:53,269
You know? It's like Catholics with the pope

1478
00:51:53,269 --> 00:51:54,869
in a way that they owe allegiance to

1479
00:51:54,869 --> 00:51:56,949
the pope. It's the same thing. What Trump's

1480
00:51:56,949 --> 00:51:58,389
trying to create in this country, and I

1481
00:51:58,389 --> 00:52:00,869
think it's an extension of, like, basically the

1482
00:52:00,869 --> 00:52:02,324
idea. And I I think that this again,

1483
00:52:02,324 --> 00:52:03,764
it comes down to what peoples want for

1484
00:52:03,764 --> 00:52:05,284
their country, and I think that always has

1485
00:52:05,284 --> 00:52:06,804
to be acknowledged, and it's up for them

1486
00:52:06,804 --> 00:52:08,724
to decide. Same with Americans, same with same

1487
00:52:08,724 --> 00:52:09,625
with Israelis.

1488
00:52:09,925 --> 00:52:11,684
But it's worth noting that in any one

1489
00:52:11,684 --> 00:52:13,125
of them, including with Iran, which is some

1490
00:52:13,125 --> 00:52:15,090
of the criticisms, it can be used to

1491
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:17,090
manipulate the population. And I think that's what

1492
00:52:17,090 --> 00:52:19,010
Zionism is doing to his population. I think

1493
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:21,329
that's what Trump is trying to create. And

1494
00:52:21,329 --> 00:52:22,769
the reason I'm saying that is because I

1495
00:52:22,769 --> 00:52:25,090
I see it as a dishonest use. Now

1496
00:52:25,090 --> 00:52:27,090
the same I'm sure people would have the

1497
00:52:27,090 --> 00:52:29,295
same criticism, but what matters to me is

1498
00:52:29,295 --> 00:52:31,695
whether people who, not just Iranians, but rather

1499
00:52:31,695 --> 00:52:33,855
people who practice the same religion, believe what

1500
00:52:33,855 --> 00:52:35,474
they're doing is in line with that religion.

1501
00:52:35,775 --> 00:52:37,695
I don't believe that's an even remotely close

1502
00:52:37,855 --> 00:52:39,135
I mean, how can we look at a

1503
00:52:39,135 --> 00:52:40,894
genocide or any act of war or bombing

1504
00:52:40,894 --> 00:52:42,414
a school full of children and pretend like

1505
00:52:42,414 --> 00:52:44,869
that in lines with what they're they practice.

1506
00:52:44,929 --> 00:52:46,769
Now say again, same criticism if we apply

1507
00:52:46,769 --> 00:52:48,530
to Iran, but, again, if you come down

1508
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:50,449
to, like, the nuclear war argument, they lie

1509
00:52:50,449 --> 00:52:52,289
about these things. They are if you look

1510
00:52:52,289 --> 00:52:53,809
at the evidence, it does back up there's

1511
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:55,170
a fatwa and they have not done it.

1512
00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:56,530
You know, it it again, it's I want

1513
00:52:56,530 --> 00:52:58,049
everyone to look into these things for themselves

1514
00:52:58,049 --> 00:52:59,465
and come to their own conclusions, but I

1515
00:52:59,465 --> 00:53:00,664
think that's a good way to look at

1516
00:53:00,664 --> 00:53:02,744
the difference of how it's applied and how

1517
00:53:02,744 --> 00:53:04,684
it's I mean, even the point about Zionism,

1518
00:53:04,824 --> 00:53:06,184
again, it doesn't we're going to get into

1519
00:53:06,184 --> 00:53:07,704
this part of it, but it is a

1520
00:53:07,704 --> 00:53:08,204
misrepresentation

1521
00:53:08,664 --> 00:53:09,965
of it. It's a bastardization

1522
00:53:10,425 --> 00:53:11,324
of it versus

1523
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,079
another framing of it. You know? It's we're

1524
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:14,440
thinking about that, and I think it's like

1525
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,639
a weaponization of it if you get what

1526
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:16,299
I'm saying.

1527
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,539
Yeah. No. I I I

1528
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,900
the the conversation

1529
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:21,819
when we're talking about Iran

1530
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,804
and, you know, my expertise obviously, I'm an

1531
00:53:25,804 --> 00:53:28,224
analyst, and I cover West Asia. My expertise

1532
00:53:28,284 --> 00:53:29,344
is in, like,

1533
00:53:29,885 --> 00:53:32,545
The Levant, Sham. Right? That's where my specific

1534
00:53:32,605 --> 00:53:35,085
expertise is. But I know a decent amount

1535
00:53:35,085 --> 00:53:36,625
about Iran, Iranian history.

1536
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:40,549
And as somebody that actually knows about Iran

1537
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:43,089
Mhmm. Right? And I'm not saying I'm I

1538
00:53:43,089 --> 00:53:45,010
I know them the most, and I'm I'm

1539
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:46,769
an expert, you know, and I can be

1540
00:53:46,769 --> 00:53:48,069
compared to other voices,

1541
00:53:48,449 --> 00:53:50,289
on Iran. I'm not saying that.

1542
00:53:50,609 --> 00:53:52,549
There are many people that are more educated.

1543
00:53:53,114 --> 00:53:53,614
However,

1544
00:53:54,074 --> 00:53:56,554
when I'm just looking at the conversations that

1545
00:53:56,554 --> 00:53:58,715
are had in the West and amongst some

1546
00:53:58,715 --> 00:53:59,375
of these

1547
00:53:59,755 --> 00:54:00,255
psychopaths,

1548
00:54:01,034 --> 00:54:02,335
you know, who call themselves

1549
00:54:02,635 --> 00:54:03,135
Iranians,

1550
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,315
who, you know, parade around the,

1551
00:54:06,715 --> 00:54:08,815
old Iranian monarchist flag,

1552
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:11,489
not knowing that, you know, the symbology on

1553
00:54:11,489 --> 00:54:13,910
it is, Right. Goes back to Ali,

1554
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:16,630
and it's actually religious, but regardless.

1555
00:54:17,329 --> 00:54:18,869
When I look at these conversations

1556
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:22,244
and the thirty thousand killed protesters in the

1557
00:54:22,244 --> 00:54:24,244
40,000, and then it's 80, then it's a

1558
00:54:24,244 --> 00:54:25,144
120.

1559
00:54:25,684 --> 00:54:28,025
You know, like, why not say 2,000,000,000

1560
00:54:28,164 --> 00:54:30,964
protesters were killed in fifteen minutes? Why not?

1561
00:54:30,964 --> 00:54:33,464
It's just as lunatic. It's just as crazy.

1562
00:54:33,844 --> 00:54:35,684
All of this talk about the regime and

1563
00:54:35,684 --> 00:54:37,760
it's so evil and it's proxies

1564
00:54:38,059 --> 00:54:38,559
and,

1565
00:54:39,019 --> 00:54:41,340
and all the nonsense they spout. We're living

1566
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:42,559
in a different reality

1567
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:45,579
that they live in their own parallel universe

1568
00:54:45,579 --> 00:54:47,280
where there's a there's an imaginary

1569
00:54:47,739 --> 00:54:48,239
Iran

1570
00:54:48,699 --> 00:54:51,255
and a real Iran, which is a country

1571
00:54:51,635 --> 00:54:54,434
with problems. Yes. It has its own system

1572
00:54:54,434 --> 00:54:56,994
of government, and it has its own people

1573
00:54:56,994 --> 00:54:59,235
who should be the ones to decide their

1574
00:54:59,235 --> 00:55:01,394
fate. And here we are in the West

1575
00:55:01,394 --> 00:55:03,315
talking about how bad they are. And if

1576
00:55:03,315 --> 00:55:05,760
you don't agree with that, look, I don't

1577
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,239
agree with I I personally I didn't like

1578
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,140
Saddam Hussein.

1579
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,539
I don't like I still I the

1580
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,980
there's nothing

1581
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,039
that you can really defend about. I don't

1582
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:16,099
think he's a defendable

1583
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,119
character. I think he did horrible things in

1584
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,340
Iraq. But

1585
00:55:20,864 --> 00:55:22,545
was it right for The United States to

1586
00:55:22,545 --> 00:55:24,704
go in and invade Iraq and and which

1587
00:55:24,704 --> 00:55:26,965
led to the deaths of a million people

1588
00:55:27,505 --> 00:55:30,545
or to impose sanctions on Iraq, which starved

1589
00:55:30,545 --> 00:55:32,485
to death and and led to the deaths,

1590
00:55:33,105 --> 00:55:34,784
because of lack of medicine, all of that,

1591
00:55:34,784 --> 00:55:37,280
of hundreds of thousands of children. No. And

1592
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,280
it doesn't matter what I think about Saddam

1593
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,239
Hussein. I'm not Iraqi. And even if I

1594
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,860
am Iraqi and I'm on the outside,

1595
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,340
who am I to go and on television

1596
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,480
and advocate for the bombing of a country

1597
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,824
I no longer live in? It's it's so

1598
00:55:50,824 --> 00:55:51,324
ridiculous.

1599
00:55:52,025 --> 00:55:53,545
I agree. And and and a better way

1600
00:55:53,545 --> 00:55:54,905
to, you know, to say is is did

1601
00:55:54,905 --> 00:55:57,304
it actually benefit the country? Did it achieve

1602
00:55:57,304 --> 00:55:58,905
what they were trying to accomplish? And and

1603
00:55:58,984 --> 00:56:00,824
or the real question, were they even trying

1604
00:56:00,824 --> 00:56:02,585
to? And I that's a different conversation, but

1605
00:56:02,585 --> 00:56:04,344
I think we cannot and the history shows

1606
00:56:04,344 --> 00:56:06,409
you today they were not. But either way,

1607
00:56:06,469 --> 00:56:07,929
the hypothetical point is,

1608
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:10,150
Assad Saddam Hussein wasn't a good guy, and,

1609
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:12,069
clearly, that's why the US government worked with

1610
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:13,829
him. But the point is that they took

1611
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:14,569
him out

1612
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:17,190
and destroyed the country for the purposes of

1613
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:18,949
what they claim they're trying to accomplish. Apply

1614
00:56:18,949 --> 00:56:20,954
the same logic to Iran. Is it even

1615
00:56:20,954 --> 00:56:22,235
if you think they're the worst group, is

1616
00:56:22,235 --> 00:56:24,394
it going to benefit the country to let

1617
00:56:24,394 --> 00:56:26,075
this group who clearly is going to sell

1618
00:56:26,075 --> 00:56:27,355
it out as best they can for their

1619
00:56:27,355 --> 00:56:29,275
own benefit at the expense of everybody, is

1620
00:56:29,275 --> 00:56:31,035
it going to benefit the people? And we

1621
00:56:31,035 --> 00:56:32,409
know that's not the case, but I I

1622
00:56:32,409 --> 00:56:33,449
know we do I I know how much

1623
00:56:33,449 --> 00:56:34,809
time you have left. Let's let's come back

1624
00:56:34,809 --> 00:56:36,329
to the list since we let's kinda finish

1625
00:56:36,329 --> 00:56:37,949
with the the break, the overview.

1626
00:56:38,329 --> 00:56:39,449
How much time do you have left right

1627
00:56:39,449 --> 00:56:41,369
now? Oh, we can keep going for a

1628
00:56:41,369 --> 00:56:43,550
little bit, and, I should be good for,

1629
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:46,265
a little bit. I don't know, about fifteen

1630
00:56:46,265 --> 00:56:47,485
minutes or so. You go.

1631
00:56:48,184 --> 00:56:48,704
Give me some

1632
00:56:51,065 --> 00:56:52,744
So this and, this I really want to

1633
00:56:52,744 --> 00:56:54,265
show you really quickly just because you had

1634
00:56:54,265 --> 00:56:55,785
talked about this. And I guarantee there are

1635
00:56:55,785 --> 00:56:58,505
people out there that are just probably just

1636
00:56:58,505 --> 00:57:00,269
dismissed what you were saying about this event.

1637
00:57:00,349 --> 00:57:02,030
And just I'm not the Grok saying it

1638
00:57:02,030 --> 00:57:03,630
makes it true. I always point it out.

1639
00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:04,829
In fact, I'll go over in my next

1640
00:57:04,829 --> 00:57:06,269
show, I'm gonna go over a very interesting

1641
00:57:06,269 --> 00:57:08,590
point about how Grok is clearly being programmed

1642
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:11,390
to be subjective, to be to infer and

1643
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:13,070
assume. And I get why that might be

1644
00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:14,844
the case with, like, conversational point, but it

1645
00:57:14,844 --> 00:57:16,125
is not in the interest of facts and

1646
00:57:16,125 --> 00:57:18,445
information, and it's used manipulatively. Different point, we'll

1647
00:57:18,445 --> 00:57:19,825
get back to that in the next show.

1648
00:57:19,885 --> 00:57:22,144
But that's all said that it's a tool.

1649
00:57:22,285 --> 00:57:23,744
And it's oftenly it's often

1650
00:57:24,045 --> 00:57:27,085
wrong or deliberately misinforming, but it's still a

1651
00:57:27,085 --> 00:57:28,605
tool, and it's important to reach the certain

1652
00:57:28,605 --> 00:57:30,420
people who may think that this may be

1653
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:33,139
more aligned with their personal partisan perspective. And

1654
00:57:33,139 --> 00:57:34,579
I think that's why, you know, it's worth

1655
00:57:34,579 --> 00:57:36,099
thinking of it that way. Now in regard

1656
00:57:36,099 --> 00:57:36,179
to the,

1657
00:57:38,179 --> 00:57:40,440
hostage situation, exactly what you highlighted.

1658
00:57:40,819 --> 00:57:43,460
Deep anti American sentiment had built over decades

1659
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:45,239
due to US support for the Shah's authoritarian

1660
00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:48,315
regime, including the CIA backed coup. Many Iranians

1661
00:57:48,315 --> 00:57:50,715
viewed The US as responsible for the repression

1662
00:57:50,715 --> 00:57:53,195
and corruption and, ultimately, their their values they

1663
00:57:53,195 --> 00:57:54,954
pushed on them. The immediate trigger was the

1664
00:57:54,954 --> 00:57:56,715
Carter administration's decision to allow him to be

1665
00:57:56,715 --> 00:57:58,155
exiled to get treatment in New York, as

1666
00:57:58,155 --> 00:58:00,550
you highlighted. Rumors of the potential coup to

1667
00:58:00,550 --> 00:58:02,949
reinstall him after that. That's interesting too. I

1668
00:58:02,949 --> 00:58:04,230
didn't know that. Like, they thought it might

1669
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:06,469
be put back in after that, which spoke

1670
00:58:06,469 --> 00:58:07,909
to why they were acting the way they

1671
00:58:07,909 --> 00:58:10,809
were. '79, November 4, the group of students,

1672
00:58:11,744 --> 00:58:14,545
end ended up, taking 66 American hostages. As

1673
00:58:14,545 --> 00:58:16,324
you said, they did, in fact, let go

1674
00:58:16,625 --> 00:58:19,184
women, African Americans. And the main point for

1675
00:58:19,184 --> 00:58:21,344
me is the students demanded the Shah be

1676
00:58:21,344 --> 00:58:23,424
extradited for trial. I mean, just think about

1677
00:58:23,424 --> 00:58:25,239
the claim. These are monster terrorists who wanna

1678
00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:26,760
kill Americans for no reason, but they didn't

1679
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,200
kill any Americans and let some of them

1680
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,380
go, and then they wanted trial and process.

1681
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,700
And officials, wanted a US apology

1682
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:34,039
for the,

1683
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,920
and for what happened and the release of

1684
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,244
frozen assets Two, you could even overlap that

1685
00:58:39,244 --> 00:58:40,765
with the Obama point and how often this

1686
00:58:40,765 --> 00:58:43,105
is the case. But the end result, diplomatic

1687
00:58:43,164 --> 00:58:46,605
negotiations were stalled. Economic sanctions were imposed, including

1688
00:58:46,605 --> 00:58:48,244
freezing their money, which, you know, it's it

1689
00:58:48,285 --> 00:58:50,144
they took more vicious action.

1690
00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:53,130
Military rescue attempt, as you said, went wrong.

1691
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:55,829
Negotiations ended up where, ultimately, they were given

1692
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:58,090
concessions, give some money back, but it hurt

1693
00:58:58,150 --> 00:59:00,949
US relations with Iran. Going forward, 52 hostages

1694
00:59:00,949 --> 00:59:03,030
released. In fact, not a single person was

1695
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:04,710
killed. And I think that's so incredible to

1696
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:06,575
me that we can frame that as something

1697
00:59:06,695 --> 00:59:08,695
like, how here's a better question. How was

1698
00:59:08,695 --> 00:59:09,594
that even included

1699
00:59:10,135 --> 00:59:11,914
in this list of

1700
00:59:12,614 --> 00:59:15,275
Americans being killed? Or, I guess, just terrorism

1701
00:59:15,335 --> 00:59:17,015
against Americans is how they're framing it. But

1702
00:59:17,015 --> 00:59:19,440
it's mostly about ahead. Go ahead. But it's

1703
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,780
just look. It's just ridiculous. It's the big

1704
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,340
propaganda,

1705
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,480
story, you know, and and and it's often

1706
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,239
used. And and look at the the rest

1707
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,159
of these on the list. I mean, look.

1708
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:33,494
Ron backed Hezbollah. It's like Right. Which we

1709
00:59:33,875 --> 00:59:35,954
covered. Yeah. Like, as we looked at, like,

1710
00:59:35,954 --> 00:59:38,355
Hezbollah and and, like, and even some of

1711
00:59:38,355 --> 00:59:41,014
these cases, like, the idea that,

1712
00:59:41,635 --> 00:59:43,954
this was a wrong one. It's just so

1713
00:59:43,954 --> 00:59:45,255
ridiculous. Like,

1714
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:47,690
but I I won't, I suppose,

1715
00:59:47,989 --> 00:59:50,710
get into the Hezbollah attack on, US military

1716
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:52,570
personnel. But, again, we're looking

1717
00:59:53,269 --> 00:59:53,769
at

1718
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:56,949
sorry. Go ahead. It's okay. Like I said,

1719
00:59:56,949 --> 00:59:58,230
there's a little delay. But before we move

1720
00:59:58,230 --> 01:00:00,275
past it, the the so we addressed the

1721
01:00:00,275 --> 01:00:01,954
point that Hizbull like, so first of all,

1722
01:00:01,954 --> 01:00:03,634
as you already addressed, these are not just

1723
01:00:03,634 --> 01:00:05,315
Iran. That's how they're trying to frame it

1724
01:00:05,315 --> 01:00:07,634
that anything Hizbull is involved with is therefore

1725
01:00:07,634 --> 01:00:09,554
Iran did it. That's not the reality of

1726
01:00:09,554 --> 01:00:11,474
this. So that alone is ridiculous to just

1727
01:00:11,474 --> 01:00:13,539
blot to include anything they did. But then

1728
01:00:13,539 --> 01:00:14,980
to the point, I want I want your

1729
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:16,099
opinion, and we won't go through every one

1730
01:00:16,099 --> 01:00:18,279
of them. But let's just say 1983.

1731
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:21,940
Right? So it says that Hezbollah killed 241

1732
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:22,440
Americans,

1733
01:00:22,739 --> 01:00:24,739
and it was a truck bombing at the

1734
01:00:24,819 --> 01:00:26,864
at a compound in Beirut. Now I I

1735
01:00:26,864 --> 01:00:27,824
don't you may I don't know if you're

1736
01:00:27,824 --> 01:00:30,065
familiar with the exact event, but in your

1737
01:00:30,065 --> 01:00:32,465
mind, is that something Hezbollah might have done?

1738
01:00:32,465 --> 01:00:33,824
And and I I would argue that there's

1739
01:00:33,824 --> 01:00:35,425
a lot of what's going on? Go ahead.

1740
01:00:35,425 --> 01:00:37,284
Yeah. I I don't think there's any doubt,

1741
01:00:38,625 --> 01:00:39,364
of their involvement.

1742
01:00:39,744 --> 01:00:41,445
I mean, this is in the early,

1743
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,559
stages of of Hizbullah as well. Like, Hizbullah,

1744
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,460
I think, officially announced itself in 1985.

1745
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,420
But this is the sort of early phases

1746
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:53,019
of the organization.

1747
01:00:55,074 --> 01:00:57,474
And so when we're looking at these events,

1748
01:00:57,474 --> 01:00:59,155
we're looking like, at the end of the

1749
01:00:59,155 --> 01:01:00,855
day, The United States

1750
01:01:01,715 --> 01:01:02,934
was a belligerent

1751
01:01:03,394 --> 01:01:06,434
occupying force to these people. Exactly. This That's

1752
01:01:06,434 --> 01:01:08,515
the group. That's what that watched and then

1753
01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:10,130
exactly.

1754
01:01:10,429 --> 01:01:11,630
And and 20,000

1755
01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:13,250
people had just been slaughtered

1756
01:01:14,029 --> 01:01:14,529
inside

1757
01:01:14,909 --> 01:01:16,769
of Lebanon, and the capital

1758
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:17,889
was besieged.

1759
01:01:18,989 --> 01:01:21,069
And that's the key context to this. It

1760
01:01:21,069 --> 01:01:22,909
didn't come out of nowhere like, oh, hey.

1761
01:01:22,909 --> 01:01:25,675
These crazy people, Hezbollah, they just popped up

1762
01:01:25,894 --> 01:01:27,914
out of nowhere, drove a truck into it,

1763
01:01:28,215 --> 01:01:30,375
you know, and killed all of this, these

1764
01:01:30,454 --> 01:01:32,155
and, again, they're military personnel

1765
01:01:32,775 --> 01:01:35,335
in a foreign country. Like Exactly. When do

1766
01:01:35,335 --> 01:01:37,414
you see them going over and killing and

1767
01:01:37,414 --> 01:01:39,034
targeting American civilians?

1768
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:41,829
Like, where are where are the Hezbollah?

1769
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:45,410
Where do they target American civilians? Where where

1770
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:48,150
do you have any evidence evidence of it

1771
01:01:48,369 --> 01:01:50,369
of them going into an a foreign country

1772
01:01:50,369 --> 01:01:52,530
in a western country and and killing people

1773
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:53,030
there?

1774
01:01:53,565 --> 01:01:55,565
There's always like these weird things that they

1775
01:01:55,565 --> 01:01:56,704
say and they cite.

1776
01:01:57,244 --> 01:01:58,445
Right. Well, here's a good way to frame

1777
01:01:58,445 --> 01:02:00,284
it for somebody who's an American. Right? So

1778
01:02:00,284 --> 01:02:03,244
hypothetically, we're talking about is Mexico seizes control

1779
01:02:03,244 --> 01:02:05,184
of Texas. And then while that's happening,

1780
01:02:06,460 --> 01:02:06,960
Republicans

1781
01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:09,360
decide to try to stop them, and they

1782
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:12,140
bomb it they bomb military personnel who is

1783
01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:14,780
occupying illegally Texas. Is to any Republican out

1784
01:02:14,780 --> 01:02:16,140
there, would you see that as a terrorist

1785
01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:18,224
act as the Republican? You probably would not.

1786
01:02:18,385 --> 01:02:19,505
You you know, I always love this point

1787
01:02:19,505 --> 01:02:20,625
that somebody else I think it was Dave

1788
01:02:20,625 --> 01:02:21,825
who made this in the past. And you

1789
01:02:21,825 --> 01:02:23,744
know what? They probably yell something about god

1790
01:02:23,744 --> 01:02:25,744
when they did it. Compare that to the

1791
01:02:25,744 --> 01:02:28,065
idea of what they call terrorism and religious,

1792
01:02:28,065 --> 01:02:30,465
you know, religious extremism. It's just it's important

1793
01:02:30,465 --> 01:02:31,664
to think of it like that. And so

1794
01:02:31,744 --> 01:02:33,849
but regardless, yes. It the the story is

1795
01:02:33,849 --> 01:02:35,309
that they killed American servicemen.

1796
01:02:35,610 --> 01:02:36,889
But does it make a difference to you

1797
01:02:36,889 --> 01:02:38,570
out there if these were American servicemen, which

1798
01:02:38,570 --> 01:02:40,570
we know were illegally occupying Beirut and this

1799
01:02:40,570 --> 01:02:42,090
was a force that was fighting back? You

1800
01:02:42,090 --> 01:02:43,530
know, it's the same point from Haman. They're

1801
01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:44,510
illegally occupied.

1802
01:02:44,875 --> 01:02:45,994
And at this point, I don't believe that

1803
01:02:45,994 --> 01:02:47,195
was the case. Well, I don't when was

1804
01:02:47,195 --> 01:02:49,355
the Geneva Convention for Fort Geneva Convention? I

1805
01:02:49,355 --> 01:02:52,094
forget the year. But the point was today,

1806
01:02:52,235 --> 01:02:53,535
the legally occupied

1807
01:02:53,835 --> 01:02:56,075
illegally occupied territories have the right to arm

1808
01:02:56,075 --> 01:02:56,575
resistance.

1809
01:02:56,889 --> 01:02:58,650
So alone, that would address that point. You

1810
01:02:58,650 --> 01:03:01,050
know? Mhmm. And and so if you go

1811
01:03:01,050 --> 01:03:03,150
down the list here, like, look, there's Hezbollah,

1812
01:03:04,090 --> 01:03:06,570
which we we've got into. But if you

1813
01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:08,250
look at down the list here, you've got

1814
01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:11,474
Hamas. There's a Hamas suicide bomber in 1995

1815
01:03:11,474 --> 01:03:13,394
there, I believe, that you're looking at. It's

1816
01:03:13,394 --> 01:03:14,535
like, okay.

1817
01:03:14,835 --> 01:03:17,315
Like, do you really like, anyone that has

1818
01:03:17,315 --> 01:03:18,135
any knowledge

1819
01:03:19,315 --> 01:03:21,575
to try and claim

1820
01:03:22,115 --> 01:03:23,015
that Iran

1821
01:03:23,315 --> 01:03:24,055
is behind

1822
01:03:24,595 --> 01:03:26,375
Hamas suicide bombings

1823
01:03:27,179 --> 01:03:27,920
is insane.

1824
01:03:28,539 --> 01:03:29,760
It's just stupid.

1825
01:03:30,059 --> 01:03:32,139
Especially today with how much information is not

1826
01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:35,659
And they're providing it occupying. Like and again,

1827
01:03:35,659 --> 01:03:37,420
there's, like, there's cases. I think we looked

1828
01:03:37,420 --> 01:03:39,755
at one earlier, and it's like, oh, you

1829
01:03:39,755 --> 01:03:42,315
know, they they killed, like, an American yeah.

1830
01:03:42,315 --> 01:03:43,355
Here's the one. What?

1831
01:03:43,675 --> 01:03:46,635
Iran backed terrorist killed an American Israeli dual

1832
01:03:46,635 --> 01:03:49,035
citizen and wounded another American in the West

1833
01:03:49,035 --> 01:03:50,795
Bank. And if you look at what that

1834
01:03:50,795 --> 01:03:52,974
attack is, they're Israeli settlers.

1835
01:03:53,594 --> 01:03:54,414
They're settlers.

1836
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:58,309
Like, literally illegal settlers. Yeah. They might have

1837
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:59,369
American passports,

1838
01:03:59,910 --> 01:04:02,250
but you know what? Israeli settlers,

1839
01:04:02,550 --> 01:04:05,450
many of them with this, with, with American

1840
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:06,010
passports

1841
01:04:06,550 --> 01:04:07,289
have killed

1842
01:04:08,094 --> 01:04:09,235
American Palestinians

1843
01:04:09,855 --> 01:04:11,934
in the West Bank, and The US doesn't

1844
01:04:11,934 --> 01:04:14,335
care, and it does nothing, and it never

1845
01:04:14,335 --> 01:04:16,574
talks about it. Just brushes it under the

1846
01:04:16,574 --> 01:04:18,894
rug like it's nothing. And these are these

1847
01:04:18,894 --> 01:04:22,195
people themselves talking about terrorists or religious fundamentalists.

1848
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:25,369
These people are religious fundamentalist,

1849
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:29,590
ideologues. They they Not the worst thing that

1850
01:04:29,590 --> 01:04:30,889
we could do today. Psychotic

1851
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:34,230
people. But if somebody that's been attacked by

1852
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:37,050
them personally, I've been attacked by them.

1853
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:39,994
Like, I I know for a fact that

1854
01:04:39,994 --> 01:04:41,135
these are fundamentalist

1855
01:04:41,835 --> 01:04:42,335
extremists.

1856
01:04:42,875 --> 01:04:43,375
So,

1857
01:04:44,555 --> 01:04:45,535
like, the idea

1858
01:04:45,914 --> 01:04:47,914
oh, well, there's an there's someone of an

1859
01:04:47,914 --> 01:04:51,055
American citizen who again it's like context here.

1860
01:04:51,339 --> 01:04:54,000
Was this American citizen serving in the military

1861
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:56,719
and in a foreign country committing an occupation

1862
01:04:57,579 --> 01:05:00,380
or invading a foreign like, or was this

1863
01:05:00,380 --> 01:05:01,440
person an illegal

1864
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:05,275
settler who probably lived in a heavily armed

1865
01:05:05,335 --> 01:05:08,875
gated facility guarded by an army that's illegally

1866
01:05:09,015 --> 01:05:12,535
there against international law and stealing someone else's

1867
01:05:12,535 --> 01:05:14,855
land and then was kidnapped or killed by

1868
01:05:14,855 --> 01:05:17,195
the people that they're robbing? Like, I mean,

1869
01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:20,750
it's just it's so dumb. And from the

1870
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:23,630
foundation for defensive democracies, it's just it's to

1871
01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:26,429
be expected. It's just to be that. Right?

1872
01:05:26,429 --> 01:05:27,869
That's the whole point is that this is

1873
01:05:27,869 --> 01:05:31,275
being this was something posted in in 2025

1874
01:05:31,355 --> 01:05:33,594
by a group clearly influenced by Israeli intelligence

1875
01:05:33,594 --> 01:05:35,674
that now the US government, the White House

1876
01:05:35,674 --> 01:05:37,755
just parrots, like, literally puts out the exact

1877
01:05:37,755 --> 01:05:40,315
same list to justify this. So, clearly, this

1878
01:05:40,315 --> 01:05:42,234
is this is reactive. You know? And the

1879
01:05:42,234 --> 01:05:43,994
point before, as I highlighted the article you

1880
01:05:43,994 --> 01:05:46,269
put up, that that this right now, the

1881
01:05:46,269 --> 01:05:47,329
religious extremism

1882
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:49,309
coming out of the Zionist elements and some

1883
01:05:49,309 --> 01:05:50,829
of the settlers are the worst I've ever

1884
01:05:50,829 --> 01:05:52,510
seen are are, you know, one of the

1885
01:05:52,510 --> 01:05:54,769
worst examples of that in the world today.

1886
01:05:54,909 --> 01:05:56,750
And that's a that's really important to understand.

1887
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:58,429
And that that's even alongside the groups, which,

1888
01:05:58,429 --> 01:06:00,315
by the way, we should understand are very

1889
01:06:00,315 --> 01:06:00,815
much

1890
01:06:01,114 --> 01:06:03,675
being funded, armed, and and and basically, you

1891
01:06:03,675 --> 01:06:05,994
know, in many ways, conducted or or or

1892
01:06:05,994 --> 01:06:06,494
operated,

1893
01:06:07,434 --> 01:06:09,034
ISIS and Al Qaeda. And I actually just

1894
01:06:09,034 --> 01:06:10,394
went over this again recently in a in

1895
01:06:10,394 --> 01:06:12,315
a show about the idea that ISIS and

1896
01:06:12,315 --> 01:06:13,929
Al Qaeda were very much created by The

1897
01:06:13,929 --> 01:06:15,610
United States. It's an open secret. We should

1898
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:16,650
all know that you and I have talked

1899
01:06:16,650 --> 01:06:18,969
about this before. Mhmm. But to to go

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01:06:18,969 --> 01:06:19,869
back to the list,

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01:06:20,570 --> 01:06:21,849
one of the things that was in here

1902
01:06:21,849 --> 01:06:23,210
interesting is, you know, because right we know

1903
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:25,289
of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. It that represent

1904
01:06:25,449 --> 01:06:27,530
that exists in Hamas, but it this is

1905
01:06:27,530 --> 01:06:29,634
the Islamic Jihad. So on that one, we

1906
01:06:29,634 --> 01:06:30,755
haven't talked about. And I know we have

1907
01:06:30,755 --> 01:06:32,434
limited time just briefly. Like, so this is

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01:06:32,434 --> 01:06:33,394
1995.

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01:06:33,394 --> 01:06:36,034
Islamic jihad terrorists killed eight people, including one

1910
01:06:36,034 --> 01:06:38,434
American citizen in Gaza. So was that at

1911
01:06:38,434 --> 01:06:40,194
the time the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, or was

1912
01:06:40,194 --> 01:06:41,474
that something that changed? And do you think

1913
01:06:41,474 --> 01:06:42,614
that represents Iran?

1914
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:44,650
It doesn't represent

1915
01:06:45,269 --> 01:06:48,070
Iran. But, look, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, again, they

1916
01:06:48,070 --> 01:06:49,750
like to frame all of these groups as

1917
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:50,250
being,

1918
01:06:51,110 --> 01:06:53,590
you know, creations. And Islamic Jihad in in

1919
01:06:53,590 --> 01:06:55,510
specific, they try and claim that it's a

1920
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:56,010
creation

1921
01:06:57,065 --> 01:06:59,485
of Iran, and that's just not correct.

1922
01:06:59,945 --> 01:07:01,945
It was formed really in the, like, late

1923
01:07:01,945 --> 01:07:02,925
nineteen seventies.

1924
01:07:04,505 --> 01:07:07,785
It started committing armed operations before Hamas, by

1925
01:07:07,785 --> 01:07:08,985
the way, because there was sort of a

1926
01:07:08,985 --> 01:07:11,360
competition between them and Hamas that

1927
01:07:12,539 --> 01:07:14,860
had arisen in the Gaza Strip where they

1928
01:07:14,860 --> 01:07:16,640
emerged. And and Islamic Jihad,

1929
01:07:18,140 --> 01:07:19,599
emerged as sort of the

1930
01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:23,519
group that had a lot more support amongst

1931
01:07:23,579 --> 01:07:24,079
the

1932
01:07:24,875 --> 01:07:28,255
poorer population in the Gaza Strip. Whereas Hamas,

1933
01:07:29,275 --> 01:07:30,974
obviously, it expanded later,

1934
01:07:31,355 --> 01:07:33,914
and especially for its charitable work, and it

1935
01:07:33,914 --> 01:07:36,234
became a much bigger organization because of its

1936
01:07:36,234 --> 01:07:37,214
social programs,

1937
01:07:38,180 --> 01:07:40,820
and the Islamic civil society sector that it

1938
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:41,480
set up.

1939
01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:42,360
But,

1940
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:44,039
with Islamic Jihad,

1941
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:48,360
what they did is they sort of were

1942
01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:50,440
the pioneers of Islamic,

1943
01:07:51,534 --> 01:07:53,855
style resistance. Because before that in the Gaza

1944
01:07:53,855 --> 01:07:54,914
Strip, it was all,

1945
01:07:55,534 --> 01:07:59,295
nationalist, but really mainly the strongest power forces

1946
01:07:59,295 --> 01:08:02,034
there were, communist groups in the Gaza Strip.

1947
01:08:02,574 --> 01:08:03,954
And so when they failed,

1948
01:08:04,839 --> 01:08:06,839
people were looking for a sort of new

1949
01:08:06,839 --> 01:08:08,920
ideology or doctrine. And so many of those

1950
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:09,420
people

1951
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,420
that were formerly part

1952
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,579
of Fata or even,

1953
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:15,739
or, even,

1954
01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:18,725
the PFLP and other groups ended up joining

1955
01:08:19,185 --> 01:08:21,185
Islamic Jihad. And what they would do is

1956
01:08:21,185 --> 01:08:24,145
literally, they were this they were poor. They

1957
01:08:24,145 --> 01:08:25,664
would get their hands on a grenade and

1958
01:08:25,664 --> 01:08:27,905
just throw it into an Israeli military camp

1959
01:08:27,905 --> 01:08:28,564
or just,

1960
01:08:28,945 --> 01:08:31,425
open fire. And very, very rarely did they

1961
01:08:31,425 --> 01:08:33,524
ever even kill any Israeli soldiers.

1962
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,720
Mhmm. And there was a big clash before

1963
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:36,699
the first Intifada

1964
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,479
that they pulled off, and all of the

1965
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,579
Islamic Shahad fighters were killed,

1966
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,400
which was sort of just right before the

1967
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,119
Intifada, which was a nonviolent uprising and which

1968
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:49,659
was when Hamas emerged,

1969
01:08:50,175 --> 01:08:53,074
because Hamas before was, like, the social Islamic

1970
01:08:53,295 --> 01:08:53,795
organization,

1971
01:08:54,814 --> 01:08:55,635
called the Mujama.

1972
01:08:56,895 --> 01:08:59,375
But Islamic Jihad used to sort of fight

1973
01:08:59,375 --> 01:09:02,274
back and forth with, the Mujama people because

1974
01:09:02,335 --> 01:09:05,074
Mujama at that time, which later became Hamas,

1975
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:09,000
were were against armed resistance altogether. They believe

1976
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,500
that you have to first unite the Muslim

1977
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,600
so the Muslim body, and then afterwards, when

1978
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,340
everyone's perfect Muslims then you can fight.

1979
01:09:18,119 --> 01:09:20,395
I I still argue that there's opening right

1980
01:09:20,395 --> 01:09:22,635
there for influence, the funding we've talked about,

1981
01:09:22,635 --> 01:09:23,835
but I know it's not the same as

1982
01:09:23,835 --> 01:09:25,194
complete control. But I do feel like there

1983
01:09:25,194 --> 01:09:27,435
was an influence there from that element that

1984
01:09:27,435 --> 01:09:30,074
that ultimately did drive them in a direction

1985
01:09:30,074 --> 01:09:32,074
to become more that of the thing that

1986
01:09:32,074 --> 01:09:34,650
could be used to justify certain responses. We

1987
01:09:34,650 --> 01:09:35,930
have to get into all that. We we've

1988
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:37,130
talked about it many times, and I I

1989
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:38,409
think your opinion is the the best I've

1990
01:09:38,409 --> 01:09:39,850
heard on it. You know, that's more nuanced,

1991
01:09:39,850 --> 01:09:42,409
but I find that interesting. Yeah. Hamas and

1992
01:09:42,489 --> 01:09:44,329
so much you had is separate, so they're

1993
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:47,085
a separate group. Yeah. And How much you

1994
01:09:47,085 --> 01:09:48,199
had specifically.

1995
01:09:48,855 --> 01:09:49,355
Yeah.

1996
01:09:49,815 --> 01:09:51,034
Hamas so the Mujama,

1997
01:09:51,815 --> 01:09:54,135
which was active in the seventies and the

1998
01:09:54,135 --> 01:09:54,635
eighties,

1999
01:09:56,135 --> 01:09:59,335
so they were officially given approval by the

2000
01:09:59,335 --> 01:10:00,954
Israeli occupying authorities,

2001
01:10:02,030 --> 01:10:04,030
and they even got some funding given to

2002
01:10:04,030 --> 01:10:06,270
them. And, again, the reason why they got

2003
01:10:06,270 --> 01:10:08,690
given this funding and the approval to operate

2004
01:10:08,829 --> 01:10:10,670
was because at the start, they did a

2005
01:10:10,670 --> 01:10:12,110
lot of look. They did a lot of

2006
01:10:12,110 --> 01:10:14,449
good work. They founded things like the Islamic,

2007
01:10:15,070 --> 01:10:15,570
university

2008
01:10:16,110 --> 01:10:17,329
in the Gaza Strip.

2009
01:10:17,685 --> 01:10:20,164
The Islamic the Islamic civil sect,

2010
01:10:20,564 --> 01:10:21,465
civil societies,

2011
01:10:22,005 --> 01:10:23,304
sector is,

2012
01:10:24,164 --> 01:10:27,444
was better, than anything else that, was on

2013
01:10:27,444 --> 01:10:29,364
offer. It really developed, and and they did

2014
01:10:29,364 --> 01:10:30,724
a lot for the people, a lot of

2015
01:10:30,724 --> 01:10:32,880
charity and stuff like this. But this

2016
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:34,000
organization

2017
01:10:34,699 --> 01:10:37,119
was against violence against the Israelis.

2018
01:10:37,899 --> 01:10:38,960
Some of their activists

2019
01:10:39,420 --> 01:10:41,819
would go into the streets and attack people

2020
01:10:41,819 --> 01:10:44,640
for not being conservative enough, for drinking alcohol,

2021
01:10:45,395 --> 01:10:47,795
for not dressing a certain way, stuff like

2022
01:10:47,795 --> 01:10:50,114
this. And the Israelis, quite frankly, didn't mind

2023
01:10:50,114 --> 01:10:52,275
that. They would like that. They they they

2024
01:10:52,275 --> 01:10:54,835
like people that are like that. Right? Whereas

2025
01:10:54,835 --> 01:10:56,375
if you look at Islamic Jihad,

2026
01:10:56,914 --> 01:10:59,579
Islamic Jihad from the start was fighting. And

2027
01:10:59,579 --> 01:11:01,420
so from the start, they wanted to hunt

2028
01:11:01,420 --> 01:11:02,779
them down and kill them. They didn't give

2029
01:11:02,779 --> 01:11:05,119
them any authorization or anything like that.

2030
01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:08,000
But then in the mid nineteen eighties,

2031
01:11:08,859 --> 01:11:10,479
the Mujama set up

2032
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:13,935
something which was called a masjid, which was

2033
01:11:13,935 --> 01:11:15,395
the security apparatus,

2034
01:11:15,854 --> 01:11:17,475
which they then formed

2035
01:11:17,854 --> 01:11:18,914
for this organization.

2036
01:11:19,695 --> 01:11:22,435
And so they suddenly started arming themselves.

2037
01:11:23,295 --> 01:11:25,614
And so when that happened, and this is

2038
01:11:25,614 --> 01:11:27,875
where people like Yahya Sinwar

2039
01:11:28,739 --> 01:11:29,180
and,

2040
01:11:29,619 --> 01:11:31,880
the founder of Umujama and then Hamas,

2041
01:11:32,579 --> 01:11:33,399
Ahmed Yacine

2042
01:11:33,859 --> 01:11:36,520
started getting in trouble with the Israeli authorities.

2043
01:11:36,659 --> 01:11:39,460
They started arresting them and torturing them and

2044
01:11:39,460 --> 01:11:41,000
going after their people.

2045
01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:43,239
And from that point on,

2046
01:11:43,755 --> 01:11:46,735
that's when they started to form real serious

2047
01:11:46,954 --> 01:11:47,695
arm cells.

2048
01:11:48,395 --> 01:11:51,454
Up until the point of the Intifada

2049
01:11:52,074 --> 01:11:53,454
in 1987,

2050
01:11:54,395 --> 01:11:57,195
they they they took this seriously, and they

2051
01:11:57,195 --> 01:11:57,695
formed,

2052
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:58,890
the

2053
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:59,770
Al

2054
01:12:00,149 --> 01:12:00,649
Qasan

2055
01:12:01,029 --> 01:12:01,529
Brigade

2056
01:12:01,989 --> 01:12:02,489
in,

2057
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:03,989
later,

2058
01:12:04,789 --> 01:12:05,289
officially.

2059
01:12:05,909 --> 01:12:06,409
But,

2060
01:12:06,789 --> 01:12:09,510
they had this sort of security apparatus and

2061
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:11,609
those fighters by 1988.

2062
01:12:12,405 --> 01:12:14,324
And, really, they didn't get going until the

2063
01:12:14,324 --> 01:12:15,625
nineteen nineties, like,

2064
01:12:16,005 --> 01:12:17,524
to be honest, like, in terms of a

2065
01:12:17,524 --> 01:12:19,064
serious military organization.

2066
01:12:19,444 --> 01:12:21,845
At that point, Israel was hunting them down

2067
01:12:21,845 --> 01:12:23,145
and murdering them, and,

2068
01:12:24,085 --> 01:12:25,765
there's a there's a lot to go into

2069
01:12:25,765 --> 01:12:27,170
there. The reason why I I talked about

2070
01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:27,750
Islamic Jihad

2071
01:12:28,130 --> 01:12:29,430
and Hamas, though,

2072
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:30,550
was because

2073
01:12:31,409 --> 01:12:34,310
to show you that they're not simply organizations

2074
01:12:35,329 --> 01:12:37,810
that and and and the and and another

2075
01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:39,510
point here to this is

2076
01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:42,229
the, they didn't start getting funding,

2077
01:12:44,604 --> 01:12:46,765
from, Iran until the nineteen nineties until the

2078
01:12:46,765 --> 01:12:49,404
early nineteen nineties. That's when Iran started backing

2079
01:12:49,404 --> 01:12:52,045
them. So the whole idea and concept that

2080
01:12:52,045 --> 01:12:55,277
these groups were like, you know, Iranian proxies

2081
01:12:55,277 --> 01:12:55,470
that

2082
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:58,590
created in the Gaza Strip. No. Like, the

2083
01:12:58,590 --> 01:12:59,789
reason why I'm telling you all of this

2084
01:12:59,789 --> 01:13:01,409
stuff and going into this whole,

2085
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:05,150
you know, rabbit hole here and and and

2086
01:13:05,150 --> 01:13:07,150
elaborating on this and and rambling a little

2087
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:08,369
bit is just to

2088
01:13:09,194 --> 01:13:11,774
that these groups were functioning in a society

2089
01:13:12,395 --> 01:13:15,034
completely separate to Iran, and they had their

2090
01:13:15,034 --> 01:13:16,654
own disputes and everything

2091
01:13:16,954 --> 01:13:19,354
way before Iran came in and provided them

2092
01:13:19,354 --> 01:13:19,854
funding.

2093
01:13:20,395 --> 01:13:22,474
And the reason they got this backing from

2094
01:13:22,474 --> 01:13:25,199
Iran was because their leaders were exiled by

2095
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,619
the Israelis. They were imprisoned and then exiled

2096
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:30,640
to Lebanon, and that's where they started getting

2097
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,899
those connections with Iran. So

2098
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,840
and that's an important thing to know. Like,

2099
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,000
again, it it goes against the notion of

2100
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,954
proxies and all of this. No. These are

2101
01:13:39,954 --> 01:13:40,935
organic movements.

2102
01:13:41,395 --> 01:13:43,635
These are organic movements. You can love them.

2103
01:13:43,635 --> 01:13:45,395
You can hate them. You you can have

2104
01:13:45,395 --> 01:13:47,715
lots of criticisms of them. You can have

2105
01:13:47,715 --> 01:13:50,194
barely any. It doesn't matter, but they're not

2106
01:13:50,194 --> 01:13:52,829
proxies. They're just not. And it's That's the

2107
01:13:52,829 --> 01:13:54,670
the point today. Right? There's a lot of

2108
01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:56,270
different things to get into, but the real

2109
01:13:56,350 --> 01:13:57,470
and, you know, and like you just said,

2110
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:58,670
it doesn't mean that we have to think

2111
01:13:58,670 --> 01:14:00,189
they're the best or either you can still

2112
01:14:00,189 --> 01:14:02,610
think they're terrorist organizations, but it's just not

2113
01:14:02,670 --> 01:14:04,750
what they're claiming. And the allegations they're trying

2114
01:14:04,750 --> 01:14:06,189
to lay at their feet, in many cases,

2115
01:14:06,189 --> 01:14:09,085
are whole cloth lies. So let last couple

2116
01:14:09,085 --> 01:14:10,844
minutes, let's just finish down the list, and,

2117
01:14:10,844 --> 01:14:12,204
ultimately, if it jumps out to you that

2118
01:14:12,204 --> 01:14:13,564
you wanna make sure you discuss, let me

2119
01:14:13,564 --> 01:14:14,925
know. But, you know, it just continues. I

2120
01:14:14,925 --> 01:14:17,664
mean, 90% of these, if not more, are

2121
01:14:17,965 --> 01:14:20,280
Iran backed something. Iran backed Hezbollah, Iran backed

2122
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,880
Hamas, which we just went over how these

2123
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,260
are not. The well, I guess,

2124
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,239
you could the the point I make is

2125
01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:26,760
that when they say Iran backed and very

2126
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,300
clearly I mean, even,

2127
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,760
yeah, I mean, they're they're literally talking about

2128
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,715
proxies. Like, that's the way they're framing it,

2129
01:14:32,795 --> 01:14:34,875
but Iran backed is not necessarily incorrect. But

2130
01:14:34,875 --> 01:14:36,395
it is when we know the way they're

2131
01:14:36,395 --> 01:14:37,675
trying to make the case. That's what I'm

2132
01:14:37,675 --> 01:14:39,594
just trying to make clear, but, ultimately, they're

2133
01:14:39,594 --> 01:14:42,395
not proxies. But the overall that these were

2134
01:14:42,395 --> 01:14:44,234
attacks carried out by Hezbollah or Hamas or

2135
01:14:44,234 --> 01:14:46,880
Jihad, and that's not Iran doing that. But

2136
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,560
the all the point is, Kenzie, it jumps

2137
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,819
out to me So Okay. Go ahead.

2138
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:55,119
Sorry. Sorry to interrupt. But if you go

2139
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:57,119
down there, it says in 2001,

2140
01:14:57,119 --> 01:14:59,439
2002 that there is an attack carried out

2141
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,324
by the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Okay? Mhmm.

2142
01:15:02,385 --> 01:15:02,885
Now

2143
01:15:04,224 --> 01:15:07,844
the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades were, essentially created

2144
01:15:07,984 --> 01:15:09,844
by Yasser Arafat.

2145
01:15:10,145 --> 01:15:11,925
Arafat was not backed by,

2146
01:15:12,625 --> 01:15:15,184
Iran. Iran was not the one backing these

2147
01:15:15,184 --> 01:15:15,630
groups,

2148
01:15:16,510 --> 01:15:18,029
at that time. I I mean, it's so

2149
01:15:18,109 --> 01:15:20,369
like, again and and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades,

2150
01:15:20,429 --> 01:15:21,170
by the way,

2151
01:15:21,949 --> 01:15:24,829
were from the secular Fatah group. They're not

2152
01:15:24,829 --> 01:15:26,909
an Islamic group. Right? They might have been

2153
01:15:26,909 --> 01:15:28,909
Muslims, but they're they're not an Islamic group.

2154
01:15:28,909 --> 01:15:31,594
That's not their ideology like Hamas and Jihad

2155
01:15:31,594 --> 01:15:33,515
and some of the others. Like, there's many

2156
01:15:33,515 --> 01:15:35,135
different ones which emerged afterwards,

2157
01:15:35,435 --> 01:15:37,675
which now exist today. But the Al Aqsa

2158
01:15:37,675 --> 01:15:39,774
Martyrs Brigade were affiliated with,

2159
01:15:40,954 --> 01:15:43,534
specifically as well during the days of, Yasser

2160
01:15:43,835 --> 01:15:44,335
Arafat,

2161
01:15:45,890 --> 01:15:48,149
to fight against the Israelis. So

2162
01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:50,869
I again, it's it's

2163
01:15:52,210 --> 01:15:55,170
it's stupid. Like, it's just dumb. Yeah. But

2164
01:15:55,170 --> 01:15:56,689
I I I wanted to note that because

2165
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:57,970
I saw it there, and I was like,

2166
01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:58,949
okay. Like, let's

2167
01:15:59,335 --> 01:16:00,934
one on this because this is a secular

2168
01:16:00,934 --> 01:16:03,014
group, which, again, this is just nonsense. Like,

2169
01:16:03,014 --> 01:16:05,255
Iran is not responsible for a group that

2170
01:16:05,255 --> 01:16:07,755
was fighting on behalf of Arafat. You know?

2171
01:16:08,215 --> 01:16:09,574
I was just laughing about this the other

2172
01:16:09,574 --> 01:16:11,014
day that it's, you know that's why I

2173
01:16:11,014 --> 01:16:12,255
was saying, like, in the beginning. You know?

2174
01:16:12,255 --> 01:16:13,814
It's some of these things are so self

2175
01:16:13,814 --> 01:16:16,689
evident, like, just so, like, objectively not the

2176
01:16:16,689 --> 01:16:18,449
gay that it's like it's I find it

2177
01:16:18,449 --> 01:16:19,729
hard to engage with them like we take

2178
01:16:19,729 --> 01:16:21,090
it seriously. You know? If we but we

2179
01:16:21,170 --> 01:16:22,449
it's important to do it for those that

2180
01:16:22,449 --> 01:16:24,050
may we don't wanna look like we're being,

2181
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:25,810
you know, derisive or that we're just dismissing

2182
01:16:25,810 --> 01:16:27,489
things. We are. We're going to the evidence.

2183
01:16:27,489 --> 01:16:29,185
That's the point. But, you know, these things

2184
01:16:29,264 --> 01:16:31,425
it's it is absurd to make these allegations,

2185
01:16:31,425 --> 01:16:32,625
and I was saying this about a lot

2186
01:16:32,625 --> 01:16:33,984
of things. In fact, one of them was

2187
01:16:33,984 --> 01:16:36,645
the idea that you can, without question,

2188
01:16:37,185 --> 01:16:39,024
show how ISIS and Al Qaeda were not

2189
01:16:39,024 --> 01:16:40,404
just by a byproduct

2190
01:16:40,704 --> 01:16:42,869
allowed to be created, but were created and

2191
01:16:42,869 --> 01:16:44,869
actually stoked and actions were taken by the

2192
01:16:44,869 --> 01:16:47,449
US government and and Israel in many cases

2193
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:50,170
to literally you know? These are not questionable.

2194
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:51,829
So it's frustrating that we have to keep

2195
01:16:51,829 --> 01:16:53,750
acting like it's a nuance depending you know?

2196
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:55,030
Or like you said, you know, well, they're

2197
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:56,390
all this, but let's talk about the facts.

2198
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:57,590
It's like, you know, don't throw them the

2199
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:59,824
fake phones. Address the facts. That's all that

2200
01:16:59,824 --> 01:17:01,425
matters. And one of them, like, that's why

2201
01:17:01,425 --> 01:17:03,585
I'm saying this, Al Qaeda suicide bombs. You

2202
01:17:03,585 --> 01:17:06,064
know? It it's it's ridiculous that we even

2203
01:17:06,064 --> 01:17:06,805
take seriously

2204
01:17:07,585 --> 01:17:09,425
that by the way, these groups, ISIS in

2205
01:17:09,425 --> 01:17:11,585
particular, that has I like I just pointed

2206
01:17:11,585 --> 01:17:13,109
out over 2025,

2207
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:14,250
suddenly attacks

2208
01:17:15,109 --> 01:17:17,429
Iran and then takes credit for it, yet

2209
01:17:17,429 --> 01:17:19,029
they're still the state sponsor of terrorism, and

2210
01:17:19,029 --> 01:17:21,050
it happens to be right when Israel's criticizing

2211
01:17:21,109 --> 01:17:23,109
them. You know, it's just it's embarrassing that

2212
01:17:23,109 --> 01:17:24,389
we can't take it if it it take

2213
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:26,229
see what that is. But whether or not

2214
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:27,850
you think it's tied to something else,

2215
01:17:28,324 --> 01:17:30,725
Iran is not connected to Al Qaeda and

2216
01:17:30,725 --> 01:17:32,484
ISIS. It's not ideologically. Like, it it these

2217
01:17:32,484 --> 01:17:34,564
are these are Sunni ultimate groups. Like, these

2218
01:17:34,564 --> 01:17:36,564
are not it doesn't make any sense, but

2219
01:17:36,564 --> 01:17:38,324
it works for people who don't understand even

2220
01:17:38,324 --> 01:17:40,564
what that is or why the Shiite Sunni

2221
01:17:40,564 --> 01:17:42,779
conversation is very important for Israel's religious war,

2222
01:17:42,779 --> 01:17:44,219
or what they're really trying to do. But

2223
01:17:44,219 --> 01:17:45,579
it's just, you know, same kind of point.

2224
01:17:45,579 --> 01:17:47,500
It it all doesn't make much sense, but

2225
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:48,319
a Moss backed,

2226
01:17:48,779 --> 01:17:51,340
Iran backed popular resistance committees. I'm not I'm

2227
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:53,359
not sure, you know, any reference to that.

2228
01:17:54,219 --> 01:17:54,939
Then the main point

2229
01:17:55,685 --> 01:17:57,444
okay. Right. And so the main point so

2230
01:17:57,444 --> 01:18:00,885
same point then. January 20, January 2007, a

2231
01:18:00,885 --> 01:18:02,824
dozen men affiliated with the IRGC.

2232
01:18:03,765 --> 01:18:06,164
Kuds Force kills five US soldiers. Now this

2233
01:18:06,164 --> 01:18:07,444
is where we start to get into what

2234
01:18:07,444 --> 01:18:09,125
I think is interesting where we're talking about,

2235
01:18:09,125 --> 01:18:11,359
in many cases, you know, action like Iraq

2236
01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:13,920
overlaps, Syria overlaps. We're talking about situations where

2237
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,060
you're, you know, PMU

2238
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,159
responding to illegal actions from these occupying forces.

2239
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,020
And so whether you're talking about a tangential

2240
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:22,159
group or that whether it's around or not,

2241
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:24,585
they're just responding to a legal occupation. There's

2242
01:18:24,585 --> 01:18:26,104
really no way to see these as anything

2243
01:18:26,104 --> 01:18:27,164
other than misrepresentations.

2244
01:18:28,905 --> 01:18:31,465
This one's different. Former FBI agent happens to

2245
01:18:31,465 --> 01:18:33,505
disappear in Iran, likely dying in his run

2246
01:18:33,505 --> 01:18:34,984
of print. Do you know anything about that

2247
01:18:34,984 --> 01:18:35,484
one?

2248
01:18:37,039 --> 01:18:37,539
Likely.

2249
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:39,859
That I personally

2250
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:42,399
don't actually hadn't heard of that before, to

2251
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:43,539
be honest with you.

2252
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,560
I don't know why I missed that. Like,

2253
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,399
I should know about that, but I don't

2254
01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:50,534
know why I don't know about this. Like

2255
01:18:51,015 --> 01:18:52,775
I I I hadn't some it's not something

2256
01:18:52,775 --> 01:18:54,695
that was on our radar either, really, according

2257
01:18:54,695 --> 01:18:56,534
to state department officials, which right there should

2258
01:18:56,534 --> 01:18:58,534
be a red flag, was never publicly seen

2259
01:18:58,534 --> 01:19:00,295
or heard from again. Well, okay. So by

2260
01:19:00,295 --> 01:19:01,895
that very point then, we don't know what

2261
01:19:01,895 --> 01:19:02,395
happened.

2262
01:19:03,335 --> 01:19:05,435
Exactly. So why is he on your list?

2263
01:19:05,659 --> 01:19:07,659
Right. Well, that was at least one of

2264
01:19:07,659 --> 01:19:09,659
these. So, I mean, we can remove one

2265
01:19:09,659 --> 01:19:12,300
from them. Right. But so we're on back

2266
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:13,739
to Moss, ran back to Moss, ran back

2267
01:19:13,899 --> 01:19:16,140
and this is this is Kath Khadib Hezbollah.

2268
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:17,979
Right? So it's the same it's what the

2269
01:19:17,979 --> 01:19:19,119
Iraqi groups. Right?

2270
01:19:19,715 --> 01:19:21,715
Yeah. So now we're getting into the groups

2271
01:19:21,715 --> 01:19:23,654
which were formed after, like,

2272
01:19:24,034 --> 01:19:25,335
Qatar e Hezbollah is,

2273
01:19:26,194 --> 01:19:27,255
part of the PMU.

2274
01:19:28,274 --> 01:19:30,675
Right. Right. And and, again, like, now look

2275
01:19:30,675 --> 01:19:32,909
at these attacks here. It's like, oh, well,

2276
01:19:32,909 --> 01:19:34,389
there there's a 101

2277
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:38,090
a 109 troops that suffered traumatic brain injuries

2278
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:39,689
because you assassinated

2279
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:42,809
a run's top general, and then they retaliated.

2280
01:19:42,869 --> 01:19:43,349
They're like

2281
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:46,784
Literally. Like, this is legal response. And and

2282
01:19:46,784 --> 01:19:48,945
and, again, like we're dealing with today well,

2283
01:19:48,945 --> 01:19:50,784
actually, Soleimani was a little different since they

2284
01:19:50,784 --> 01:19:52,945
bombed him in Iraq. But today, you know,

2285
01:19:52,945 --> 01:19:55,425
is US is bombing in Iran. So Iran

2286
01:19:55,425 --> 01:19:57,345
would have every legal right to respond and

2287
01:19:57,345 --> 01:19:59,104
bomb The United States, and I don't want

2288
01:19:59,104 --> 01:20:00,704
that to happen. But they're not doing that.

2289
01:20:00,704 --> 01:20:02,225
That's restraint. And so in this case, you

2290
01:20:02,225 --> 01:20:03,639
know, it's the same kind of idea. They

2291
01:20:03,639 --> 01:20:05,880
were bombed. They were attacked illegally. In fact,

2292
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,319
the most disgusting part of that, as you

2293
01:20:07,319 --> 01:20:09,239
know, was they invited him under the guise

2294
01:20:09,239 --> 01:20:11,159
of diplomacy. And as I understand it, the

2295
01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:12,599
only reason he wanted him to come to

2296
01:20:12,599 --> 01:20:14,199
Iraq to kill him was because they still

2297
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:16,279
were arguing they could use the 2,002

2298
01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:18,024
AUMF. And it was destabilizing

2299
01:20:18,484 --> 01:20:20,164
Iraq by being there, and so they murdered

2300
01:20:20,164 --> 01:20:21,524
him. That's that was I under that's the

2301
01:20:21,524 --> 01:20:22,885
logic I believe they were trying to operate

2302
01:20:22,885 --> 01:20:24,724
under. But they murdered him. And so they

2303
01:20:24,724 --> 01:20:25,224
responded

2304
01:20:25,604 --> 01:20:27,604
and bombed The US base in Iraq. And

2305
01:20:27,604 --> 01:20:29,844
they claimed that was, you know, terrorism, I

2306
01:20:29,844 --> 01:20:31,310
guess, 02/2020,

2307
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:33,869
same indicated Iranian regime was considering a plot

2308
01:20:33,869 --> 01:20:34,750
to assassinate South

2309
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:37,489
okay. Like, US intelligence says,

2310
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:41,090
Iran rocket killed American citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan.

2311
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:42,670
You know? And, again, we're not talking about

2312
01:20:42,670 --> 01:20:44,510
Iranian rockets right there. We're talking about the

2313
01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:45,010
PMU.

2314
01:20:45,564 --> 01:20:47,324
Mhmm. I mean, any number of examples. Are

2315
01:20:47,324 --> 01:20:49,484
IRGC orchestrated the killing of American citizen in

2316
01:20:49,484 --> 01:20:51,404
Baghdad? You know, these some of these, I'm

2317
01:20:51,404 --> 01:20:51,645
not,

2318
01:20:53,404 --> 01:20:56,125
I don't the exact instances, but Iranian officer

2319
01:20:56,125 --> 01:20:58,470
charged with orchestrating murder of US citizen Iraq.

2320
01:20:58,710 --> 01:21:00,470
You know? My argument was if you go

2321
01:21:00,470 --> 01:21:02,310
through this information, you'll likely Let's bring in

2322
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:04,150
Emily Harding. Find out that, you know, this

2323
01:21:04,150 --> 01:21:05,909
is coming from something The US is claiming,

2324
01:21:05,909 --> 01:21:07,989
but is Iran capable of killing something through

2325
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:09,670
you know? Yes. And, also, this is any

2326
01:21:09,670 --> 01:21:11,909
legal occupation of Iraq. You know, we all

2327
01:21:11,909 --> 01:21:13,704
of these abuses have already been discussed, you

2328
01:21:13,704 --> 01:21:15,005
know, or rather justifications.

2329
01:21:16,265 --> 01:21:18,425
I'm just trying to hurry up. Jump in

2330
01:21:18,425 --> 01:21:20,045
if you if you have any thoughts.

2331
01:21:20,505 --> 01:21:22,585
No. And all of this is, like, if

2332
01:21:22,585 --> 01:21:24,524
you compare it to the amount of Iranians

2333
01:21:24,664 --> 01:21:26,984
that have been killed in the region, in

2334
01:21:26,984 --> 01:21:29,840
their own region, and over their own airspace

2335
01:21:29,979 --> 01:21:30,880
by the Israelis.

2336
01:21:31,420 --> 01:21:32,479
It doesn't compare,

2337
01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:34,960
by by the Americans. Sorry.

2338
01:21:36,140 --> 01:21:38,380
The the US military has caused way more

2339
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:40,640
death and destruction to the Iranian people.

2340
01:21:41,795 --> 01:21:43,435
And and so it's just ridiculous. And there

2341
01:21:43,435 --> 01:21:44,335
have been assassinations

2342
01:21:44,715 --> 01:21:46,795
carried out by The United States and the

2343
01:21:46,795 --> 01:21:50,414
Israelis inside of Iran for decades now. It's

2344
01:21:50,635 --> 01:21:51,534
it's so

2345
01:21:52,074 --> 01:21:54,635
ridiculous, these arguments. And then look at it.

2346
01:21:54,635 --> 01:21:55,135
Like,

2347
01:21:55,609 --> 01:21:57,210
it's good that we've gone for this list

2348
01:21:57,210 --> 01:22:00,030
because they're just clutching at straws.

2349
01:22:00,649 --> 01:22:02,729
You know? It's like the fact that they

2350
01:22:02,729 --> 01:22:03,630
put Al Qaeda

2351
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:04,829
on there

2352
01:22:05,210 --> 01:22:05,710
and

2353
01:22:06,170 --> 01:22:06,649
they,

2354
01:22:07,050 --> 01:22:10,454
put all the Iran's response, not even killing

2355
01:22:10,454 --> 01:22:13,095
Americans, injuring. Right? Because they didn't admit any

2356
01:22:13,095 --> 01:22:16,135
deaths. Right? So injuring Americans with a a

2357
01:22:16,135 --> 01:22:16,635
retaliatory

2358
01:22:17,414 --> 01:22:19,034
strike on a US base,

2359
01:22:19,655 --> 01:22:21,975
you know, they're clutching at straws, and they

2360
01:22:21,975 --> 01:22:24,074
can't produce this thousands number

2361
01:22:24,579 --> 01:22:26,199
even when they're clutching at straws.

2362
01:22:26,739 --> 01:22:26,979
Right.

2363
01:22:27,539 --> 01:22:29,719
Which I think just demonstrates how ridiculous

2364
01:22:30,420 --> 01:22:32,500
this argument is that they put out. And

2365
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:35,079
like we're like, we were talking about earlier,

2366
01:22:35,219 --> 01:22:37,399
they live in this parallel universe.

2367
01:22:38,085 --> 01:22:40,244
You know? And the Iran that they're talking

2368
01:22:40,244 --> 01:22:42,345
about is not the real Iran that exists.

2369
01:22:42,805 --> 01:22:44,645
That's Right. You know? At least for most

2370
01:22:44,645 --> 01:22:46,244
of their propaganda in the world or really

2371
01:22:46,244 --> 01:22:48,805
just most propaganda from any country. But just

2372
01:22:48,805 --> 01:22:50,244
to to wrap up in general, you know,

2373
01:22:50,244 --> 01:22:51,765
now we're in the realm of of what

2374
01:22:51,765 --> 01:22:53,500
we've been dealing with, you know, where we

2375
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:55,180
were talking about where this has been the

2376
01:22:55,180 --> 01:22:57,500
posture has been obvious. Trump can't stop telling

2377
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:58,939
you how he needs to remove Iran, his

2378
01:22:58,939 --> 01:23:01,500
last administration now. And so they clearly recognize

2379
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:02,939
that they're under threat just like they knew

2380
01:23:02,939 --> 01:23:04,140
this was gonna come, and that's why they

2381
01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:05,579
warned if you do it, we're gonna respond

2382
01:23:05,579 --> 01:23:07,215
this way. You know? And and we didn't

2383
01:23:07,215 --> 01:23:08,574
get into it because that's the point today,

2384
01:23:08,574 --> 01:23:10,494
but the evidence is undeniably clear based on

2385
01:23:10,494 --> 01:23:12,255
their own statements that there was no imminent

2386
01:23:12,255 --> 01:23:14,414
threat. And so they this is all illegal

2387
01:23:14,414 --> 01:23:17,454
regardless, but they're now citing these responses. You

2388
01:23:17,454 --> 01:23:19,935
know? June 2025, Iran backed militias attacked at

2389
01:23:19,935 --> 01:23:21,210
least three bases. You know? And this is

2390
01:23:21,210 --> 01:23:23,529
stuff that's responding to what they're doing in

2391
01:23:23,529 --> 01:23:26,329
the area. Twelve day war forward, even the

2392
01:23:26,329 --> 01:23:28,649
most recent examples, which they could tack on

2393
01:23:28,649 --> 01:23:30,170
in regard to anything that's happening. And, you

2394
01:23:30,170 --> 01:23:31,149
know, it's obviously

2395
01:23:31,529 --> 01:23:32,029
about

2396
01:23:32,409 --> 01:23:32,909
their

2397
01:23:33,534 --> 01:23:34,034
justifiable

2398
01:23:34,335 --> 01:23:36,574
responses to what The US and Israel are

2399
01:23:36,574 --> 01:23:38,014
doing in the world. I mean, this is

2400
01:23:38,014 --> 01:23:40,014
this is not about taking sides. It's about

2401
01:23:40,014 --> 01:23:42,574
the legality. It's the reality of international law.

2402
01:23:42,574 --> 01:23:44,094
It's the reality of what The US and

2403
01:23:44,094 --> 01:23:45,875
Israel have always been doing in my experience.

2404
01:23:45,979 --> 01:23:47,500
And if you wanna criticize like we have

2405
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:49,100
today in some ways what Iran does in

2406
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:50,380
their country or what they do in their

2407
01:23:50,380 --> 01:23:52,300
foreign policy, then go at it. That's not

2408
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:54,699
the same point as recognizing The US is

2409
01:23:54,699 --> 01:23:56,460
lying about what they're doing. And I just

2410
01:23:56,460 --> 01:23:57,819
think that has to matter. I thought that

2411
01:23:57,819 --> 01:23:59,819
list needed to be broken down because right

2412
01:23:59,819 --> 01:24:02,345
now, they're using this argument to, I

2413
01:24:02,725 --> 01:24:05,604
mean, really, I think, create another forever, never

2414
01:24:05,604 --> 01:24:07,765
ending ongoing kind of Middle East discussion. You

2415
01:24:07,765 --> 01:24:09,925
know? And I'm very worried about that. Then,

2416
01:24:09,925 --> 01:24:11,364
you know, any final thoughts? And I'll just

2417
01:24:11,364 --> 01:24:13,204
kinda rattle off some some points here on

2418
01:24:13,204 --> 01:24:14,965
the, on the screen for people to see,

2419
01:24:14,965 --> 01:24:16,324
you know, with what we're dealing with right

2420
01:24:16,324 --> 01:24:18,760
now in regard to the ground forces. And,

2421
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,539
anyway, go ahead. Any any last thoughts?

2422
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,640
No. I just say that, obviously, this war

2423
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,880
does not serve US interests. I think the

2424
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:26,380
Israelis,

2425
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,319
ultimately, they're willing to drag down The US

2426
01:24:29,319 --> 01:24:29,819
economy.

2427
01:24:30,664 --> 01:24:32,984
They're willing to destroy The US if it's

2428
01:24:32,984 --> 01:24:34,265
going to come to that,

2429
01:24:34,984 --> 01:24:36,364
and and and the presidency

2430
01:24:36,664 --> 01:24:39,965
of of Donald Trump at that. And, also,

2431
01:24:40,024 --> 01:24:42,125
I I think their aim is to degrade

2432
01:24:42,824 --> 01:24:44,845
the Persian Gulf states

2433
01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:45,650
to

2434
01:24:46,110 --> 01:24:47,729
degrade the Iranian economy

2435
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:50,510
by going after civilian targets, by going after

2436
01:24:50,510 --> 01:24:51,329
its infrastructure,

2437
01:24:51,869 --> 01:24:53,789
and then hoping that they survive at the

2438
01:24:53,789 --> 01:24:54,770
end of this.

2439
01:24:55,630 --> 01:24:56,689
So that then,

2440
01:24:58,454 --> 01:25:00,954
in essence, what they've done is they've created

2441
01:25:01,494 --> 01:25:01,994
the,

2442
01:25:02,935 --> 01:25:03,594
the conditions

2443
01:25:04,454 --> 01:25:07,094
where in the future, the Iranian government might

2444
01:25:07,094 --> 01:25:09,175
be weaker, and there might be more chance

2445
01:25:09,175 --> 01:25:12,694
for a regime change effort using their own

2446
01:25:12,694 --> 01:25:13,194
proxies

2447
01:25:13,699 --> 01:25:15,800
on the ground to do it.

2448
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:17,880
Like we saw a similar,

2449
01:25:18,659 --> 01:25:21,220
scenario in Syria. I don't believe this will

2450
01:25:21,220 --> 01:25:22,360
work personally.

2451
01:25:23,060 --> 01:25:25,479
I think all of this death and destruction

2452
01:25:25,539 --> 01:25:28,255
is ultimately going to result in a loss

2453
01:25:28,255 --> 01:25:29,954
for the United States military

2454
01:25:30,414 --> 01:25:32,895
and a loss for the Israelis. But that's

2455
01:25:32,895 --> 01:25:34,574
what they're trying to do, and they're very

2456
01:25:34,574 --> 01:25:37,875
desperate, and they have been since October 7.

2457
01:25:38,574 --> 01:25:41,635
They believe that if they can't

2458
01:25:41,935 --> 01:25:42,835
crush Iran

2459
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:44,420
and they can't

2460
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,060
achieve their greater Israel project,

2461
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,180
then they won't exist in the long term.

2462
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,479
And I believe that that assessment is actually

2463
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:52,979
correct

2464
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,920
because in terms of what they deem as

2465
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:56,420
existing

2466
01:25:57,039 --> 01:25:58,385
as as Israel,

2467
01:25:58,925 --> 01:25:59,505
greater Israel,

2468
01:26:00,444 --> 01:26:01,585
that can't exist

2469
01:26:02,284 --> 01:26:04,225
in the long term. It just won't.

2470
01:26:04,685 --> 01:26:06,545
Now they could've they had an opportunity

2471
01:26:07,244 --> 01:26:09,164
to be able to exist and to have

2472
01:26:09,164 --> 01:26:10,784
their place secured in the region,

2473
01:26:11,324 --> 01:26:13,345
but they chose not to do

2474
01:26:13,849 --> 01:26:16,090
the so called two state solution, which I

2475
01:26:16,090 --> 01:26:19,369
thought was terrible solution for the Palestinian people.

2476
01:26:19,369 --> 01:26:22,670
It's not fair at all to them. However,

2477
01:26:23,609 --> 01:26:24,510
the Palestinian

2478
01:26:25,289 --> 01:26:27,469
leadership at the time would have taken it.

2479
01:26:28,085 --> 01:26:30,085
It's very clear. And then they could have

2480
01:26:30,085 --> 01:26:32,324
been integrated into the whole region. Everyone would

2481
01:26:32,324 --> 01:26:34,645
have accepted them. Everyone signed on to that.

2482
01:26:34,645 --> 01:26:36,885
The Arab Peace Initiative, you can look up

2483
01:26:36,885 --> 01:26:38,185
the Arab Peace Initiative.

2484
01:26:38,564 --> 01:26:39,304
They had

2485
01:26:39,729 --> 01:26:42,369
the chance, and they didn't want it. So

2486
01:26:42,369 --> 01:26:44,310
now Americans are gonna die.

2487
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:45,989
You're gonna pay

2488
01:26:46,289 --> 01:26:48,310
a lot more to fill up your tank,

2489
01:26:48,929 --> 01:26:51,329
and there's gonna be inflation. And and you're

2490
01:26:51,489 --> 01:26:53,170
what you're paying there when you go and

2491
01:26:53,170 --> 01:26:55,349
fill up your tank is the Israel premium.

2492
01:26:56,074 --> 01:26:58,475
You're paying the Israel premium there. You're paying

2493
01:26:58,475 --> 01:26:59,614
for this war,

2494
01:27:00,314 --> 01:27:00,814
directly.

2495
01:27:01,675 --> 01:27:02,414
And so

2496
01:27:03,515 --> 01:27:06,074
that's that's where things stand right now. It's

2497
01:27:06,074 --> 01:27:08,235
it's sad, but, unfortunately, you know, there is

2498
01:27:08,235 --> 01:27:10,155
not even people on the street in opposition

2499
01:27:10,155 --> 01:27:12,220
to this. That could change because

2500
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,640
it's going to personally affect them Right. Going

2501
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,979
forward. So it could change. But,

2502
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,140
again, like, this is a terrible decision,

2503
01:27:23,159 --> 01:27:25,545
on the part of The US leadership, And

2504
01:27:25,545 --> 01:27:28,364
it just demonstrates that the this Trump administration

2505
01:27:28,505 --> 01:27:30,845
is completely captured by the Israel lobby.

2506
01:27:31,465 --> 01:27:34,204
Completely captured. Has no mind of its own.

2507
01:27:34,265 --> 01:27:36,445
It just serves Israel's interests.

2508
01:27:37,385 --> 01:27:39,085
Yep. And I, you know, and I think

2509
01:27:39,305 --> 01:27:41,279
the world and especially The US

2510
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:44,159
population is is is coming to terms with

2511
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:46,079
that. And that doesn't mean it's, you know,

2512
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:48,800
it's not something that is you know, it

2513
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,119
something that we can overcome like anything else

2514
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:52,579
as much as it may seem insurmountable.

2515
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,399
And I'll also add to finish that this

2516
01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:56,355
is something that's now being jumped on as

2517
01:27:56,355 --> 01:27:58,034
a last ditch effort, in my opinion, to

2518
01:27:58,034 --> 01:28:00,675
justify why Trump somehow is always, you know,

2519
01:28:00,675 --> 01:28:02,755
like, the the very point of being controlled

2520
01:28:02,755 --> 01:28:04,355
by Israel is now being floated as why

2521
01:28:04,355 --> 01:28:05,175
he's not responsible.

2522
01:28:05,555 --> 01:28:07,315
But at the same time, that it turns

2523
01:28:07,315 --> 01:28:08,914
out that he is only doing this at

2524
01:28:08,914 --> 01:28:10,515
his own expense to fight for us from

2525
01:28:10,515 --> 01:28:12,869
within the broken system. Glenn Beck is genuinely

2526
01:28:12,930 --> 01:28:14,689
arguing that he's he always knew this would

2527
01:28:14,689 --> 01:28:16,630
happen. He knew Israel controlled the democrats.

2528
01:28:16,930 --> 01:28:18,930
Right? So he worked his way in in

2529
01:28:18,930 --> 01:28:19,989
order to to

2530
01:28:20,289 --> 01:28:21,750
to control what he could.

2531
01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:24,630
And I'm just it's just this evidence free

2532
01:28:25,725 --> 01:28:26,225
blind

2533
01:28:26,685 --> 01:28:29,324
self serving assumption to just give yourself like,

2534
01:28:29,324 --> 01:28:31,005
right now, there's so many people that are

2535
01:28:31,005 --> 01:28:32,524
starting to see that they were not what

2536
01:28:32,524 --> 01:28:34,045
they said they were. And then you get

2537
01:28:34,045 --> 01:28:35,725
a Glendek that gives them something that goes,

2538
01:28:35,725 --> 01:28:37,005
oh, they can go, oh, thank god. I

2539
01:28:37,005 --> 01:28:39,139
knew I was right. Score ignore everything else.

2540
01:28:39,139 --> 01:28:40,579
It turns out I really was right. Trump

2541
01:28:40,579 --> 01:28:43,060
was really sacrificing for us. Just be smarter

2542
01:28:43,060 --> 01:28:44,899
than that, guys. It's quite obvious this is

2543
01:28:44,899 --> 01:28:46,420
not what this this is not what you

2544
01:28:46,420 --> 01:28:48,899
were promised and every everything they're doing other

2545
01:28:48,899 --> 01:28:50,260
than this is showing that as well. I'm

2546
01:28:50,260 --> 01:28:51,859
just glad it's happening. So thank you again,

2547
01:28:51,859 --> 01:28:54,156
Robert, for for joining us. We can do

2548
01:28:54,156 --> 01:28:56,505
this more often, and I'll leave you with

2549
01:28:56,505 --> 01:28:58,853
a clip from Patrick Clausen that I think

2550
01:28:58,853 --> 01:29:01,202
is always important. So as always, everybody out

2551
01:29:01,202 --> 01:29:03,551
there question everything. Come to your own conclusions.

2552
01:29:03,551 --> 01:29:05,899
Stay vigilant. I frankly think that crisis initiation

2553
01:29:05,899 --> 01:29:06,779
is really tough,

2554
01:29:07,420 --> 01:29:09,099
and it's very hard for me to see

2555
01:29:09,099 --> 01:29:10,159
how The United States,

2556
01:29:12,300 --> 01:29:14,559
president can get us to war with Iran.

2557
01:29:16,619 --> 01:29:19,020
Which leads me to conclude that if, in

2558
01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:20,719
fact, compromise is not coming,

2559
01:29:21,494 --> 01:29:23,895
that the traditional way of America gets to

2560
01:29:23,895 --> 01:29:26,375
war is what would be best for US

2561
01:29:26,375 --> 01:29:26,875
interests.

2562
01:29:27,975 --> 01:29:29,814
Some people might think that mister Roosevelt wanted

2563
01:29:29,814 --> 01:29:31,175
to get us into World War two, as

2564
01:29:31,175 --> 01:29:32,774
David mentioned. You may recall we had to

2565
01:29:32,774 --> 01:29:33,835
wait for Pearl Harbor.

2566
01:29:34,250 --> 01:29:35,929
Some people might think mister Wilson wanted to

2567
01:29:35,929 --> 01:29:37,689
get us into World War one. You may

2568
01:29:37,689 --> 01:29:39,310
recall he had to wait for the Lusitania

2569
01:29:39,449 --> 01:29:39,949
episode.

2570
01:29:40,409 --> 01:29:42,329
Some people might think that mister Johnson wanted

2571
01:29:42,329 --> 01:29:44,170
to send troops to Vietnam. You may recall

2572
01:29:44,170 --> 01:29:45,210
we had to wait for the Gulf Of

2573
01:29:45,210 --> 01:29:46,189
Tonkin episode.

2574
01:29:47,145 --> 01:29:48,824
We didn't go to war with Spain until

2575
01:29:48,824 --> 01:29:49,484
the USS,

2576
01:29:49,944 --> 01:29:51,164
until the Maine exploded.

2577
01:29:51,704 --> 01:29:54,505
And may I point out that mister Lincoln

2578
01:29:54,505 --> 01:29:55,704
did not feel he could call out the

2579
01:29:55,704 --> 01:29:58,184
Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which

2580
01:29:58,184 --> 01:29:59,864
is why he ordered the commander at Fort

2581
01:29:59,864 --> 01:30:01,939
Sumter to do exactly that thing which the

2582
01:30:01,939 --> 01:30:04,840
South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.

2583
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:08,180
So, if in fact the Iranians aren't gonna

2584
01:30:08,180 --> 01:30:08,680
compromise,

2585
01:30:09,140 --> 01:30:10,900
it would be best if somebody else started

2586
01:30:10,900 --> 01:30:11,479
the war.

2587
01:30:16,005 --> 01:30:17,684
But I would just like to suggest that,

2588
01:30:18,564 --> 01:30:20,724
one can combine other means of pressure with

2589
01:30:20,724 --> 01:30:21,224
sanctions.

2590
01:30:22,005 --> 01:30:23,385
I mentioned that explosion,

2591
01:30:24,244 --> 01:30:25,224
on August 17.

2592
01:30:25,925 --> 01:30:27,385
We could step up the pressure.

2593
01:30:29,039 --> 01:30:31,679
I mean, look people, Iranian submarines periodically go

2594
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:33,359
down. Someday one of them might not come

2595
01:30:33,359 --> 01:30:35,060
up. Who would know why?

2596
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,399
We can do a variety of things if

2597
01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:40,159
we wish to increase the pressure. I'm not

2598
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,255
advocating that, but I'm just

2599
01:30:42,635 --> 01:30:43,194
suggesting that,

2600
01:30:43,595 --> 01:30:45,914
it it it it's this is not a

2601
01:30:45,914 --> 01:30:47,994
a either or proposition of, you know, it's

2602
01:30:47,994 --> 01:30:49,914
just sanctions has to has to succeed or

2603
01:30:49,914 --> 01:30:50,654
other things.

2604
01:30:51,114 --> 01:30:52,494
We are in the game

2605
01:30:53,435 --> 01:30:55,694
of using covert means against the Iranians.

2606
01:30:58,170 --> 01:31:00,270
We we could get nastier of that.