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another episode of what the hell is happening.
Always a great time to talk about what
the hell is going on with all the
chaos in the world today. Oh, you know
what? I actually I forgot we have our
new intro. I wanted to play this clip
right out of the gate since this is
something interestingly with what we start. We ended
up last time saying something very interesting that
I'm sure many of you are already thinking
about since Charlie's done a couple interviews in
the fact, but here's how we ended last,
last when was this?
End of,
January. Right? I believe. Here's the end of
the interview.
Good to see you, Ryan. I'll check-in. We'll
I'll have I'll have plenty to report back
after,
after Mexico. I'm sure. Hopefully, there's no weird
events like last time, weather events or whatever
else. I hope you, you know, stay safe
out there. Well, I always like to throw
it throw a little curveball our way, but
we're we're resourceful. We always find a way
to figure it out.
It is pretty crazy. Right? Charlie, how are
you?
Well, in this case, to be fair,
this wasn't necessarily
directed at the people of Anarkapulco.
So and it was happening elsewhere, and it
happened a couple days after the event. Actually,
it happened
on the Sunday
following the event ending on Friday.
I say event ending. There were events going
on Saturday and Sunday at the convention center
as well, but they were it was dollar
vigilante
related. So so I I, yeah, I I
had a,
you know, I had a fantastic week
leading up to that, and I I got
in and out without any sort of problems.
I left on the Saturday before
just because I was scheduled to, and everything
kicked off the day after. But,
in terms of the
the pyrotechnics
that that happened,
you know, it was it was funny because
we had some of the greatest investigative journalists
around
in the area. So as soon as it
kicked off on Sunday morning,
Patrick Henningsen from twenty first Century Wire is
there. Josh Sigurdson from World Alternative Media lives
there. He's just came out of his house,
and it was going on. Dan Dix from
Press for Truth, they were down there. So
they just grabbed their gear and went out
in different
directions and
filmed what was happening. And what was happening
was actually a bit of,
of a show.
Mhmm. Really.
Ultimately, that's what it was. Now scary, and
and and I'm not trying to be dismissive
of anybody who was
caught in that. But
what didn't happen
was
the them pulling people off the bus, lining
them up, and shooting them all. That didn't
happen. And what didn't happen with cab drivers
getting dragged out and shot and and and,
you know, in the
what did happen was the cabs were lit
on fire.
The buses were pulled over. The people were
taken off, put up, you know, outside, and
then the bus were were lit on fire.
The OXO
convenience stores, the equivalent of, like, a seven
eleven in Mexico, they were lit on fire,
but they all all three of those components
have relationships with the cartel.
They they they operate as buses and taxis
and convenience stores at the behest of or
with the express written
approval of the cartels in Major League Baseball.
They're allowed to operate. And if you if
the cartels decide that they have
it's time to to do a little show
of force,
then maybe your convenience stores and your cabs
and your buses get burned down, but that's
the cost of doing business. But but what
didn't happen was they didn't destroy
the tourism industry by going into the hotels
and taking people out in the lobbies and
and doing all the things that they they
could have done. So in in some respects,
it was a bit of
terrorism
theater,
which is good. I'm glad. I I as
opposed to it being the real thing.
And but but when it when it's happening,
you know, you don't know. You don't know
how long it's gonna go, and the rumors
were they're going to the hotels. They're gonna
start doing that. So
so it was an interesting time to be,
paying attention to,
you know, the that sort of street theater.
I wasn't there. I'm glad I wasn't there.
Not that I wanna be there for it,
but, you know, I knew
it two dozen people who were still there
having to deal with that sort of situation
and and and the chaos that comes with
it. So I guess it's a reminder to
everybody. You know, everything's normal
until it's not.
And and when the when the normality ends
and you are thrust into chaos,
you have to become an expert on your
situation immediately. And that is tough to do,
especially if you're in a foreign a foreign
land. But I think it was probably,
ultimately,
maybe a good thing for anybody who sort
of experienced that. It's a it's it's a
dress rehearsal for for what can happen when
when the lights go off or the power
goes off or or or chaos sparks because
it doesn't take too long for people to
go from normal
to looting.
If they think that they're going to be
out of food in a couple of days,
they'll make some decisions that they wouldn't normally
do. So it's it's it's just another reminder
about how fragile things can be and how
how how normal
is always kind of an air quotes and
that that is subject to change,
pretty much on a moment's notice. And, you
know, those out there that would be driven
to loot,
first of all, you know, people in positions
like that, if desperate, anybody I think could
get to that position, but it shows you
an early position like that or the time,
you know, that that's somebody who wasn't prepared.
That's a lesson for this. Right? Like, you
wouldn't need to be rushing out to loot
for things you might need if not because
of what's coming tomorrow or what they said
might happen, but just because you're always prepared,
because you have water and resources and things
you have you know, like, it's important thing
to think about. But when you say about
theater, how how and what to what end?
And what do you how do you read
this whole thing? So I would like what
in your mind, what actually went down? And
and compared and comparing
to both the mainstream alternative and mainstream coverage
of what they claimed happened, you know, what's
your insight on that and how you see
it going down? And and if it was
theater,
you know, to what end, by whom? You
know, how do you see that?
So if you're the cartel and your guy
gets whacked,
you have to retaliate.
Mhmm. But you have to be careful on
how that retaliation
is framed because
if you
there's ways in which you can let the
world know that you're angry and that you're
not gonna stand for this, which is I
think what they did.
And then there's other ways in which you
can burn your bridge after you've crossed it
and and
and take the you know, and and and
really sort of fight if if the cartels
wanted to fight with the Mexican government
and make things untenable for the government, they
would destroy the tourism industry, and they could
have done that that day. That that would
have been near six and a half million
people that come through just Puerto Vallarta every
year. So even if it was just limited
to Puerto Vallarta, which it wasn't, it was
happening elsewhere.
But that would be enough to to throw
in, you know, just the economic catastrophe. So
we've got that going on. And so when
I say theater, I mean, if the cartel
doesn't respond,
that's a sign of weakness on their part.
Right? So they do have to respond in
a way that the cartel recognizes violence, fires,
explosions. And by the way, to be fair,
the cars exploding, they're exploding because their tires
are blowing out. Right? It's not like they
were rigged with c four and they were,
you know, they were lit on fire. They
were made to to catch on fire, but
they weren't rigged with, like, detonators and, you
know, things like that. The point being that
they're doing this to to demonstrate a response,
but knowing that they don't wanna do it
to where it will cause some kind of
larger spin out by sort of just, like,
you know, pushing back slightly. So do you
think that that is so you you so
you see it as genuinely that the China
bomb, you know, the president of Mexico
took this action unilaterally because of whatever reasoning
was, and the cartel just responded. You don't
see any influence? Sure. Don't know if it
was unilateral.
I don't know if they're like, how do
you see this playing in the larger sphere?
Because a lot of the conversation and this
is not for those that are new to
this conversation, this is not some kind of
let's just
find a way to tie in the elements,
you know, like Israel, United States. There's a
wildly clear documented track record of US and
Israel training cartel members as I know you
know, way back to I mean, even before,
but, you know, the most notorious in regard
to,
it slipped my mind all of a sudden.
They made Netflix documentaries about him.
The cartel, the pre El Chapo?
No. No.
God, it's so crazy to me. The one
most famous,
the Netflix did a whole thing about him.
It doesn't matter. I'm sure everyone knows what
I'm talking about. The the one of the
most famous, Sinaloa cartel, I believe, and the
one and, what's his name? Not Chapo. It's
the one that was before that. But anyway
But anyway.
I I swear it's so crazy that somebody
in the chat will probably say it. My
point is that there's documented,
l you know, reports or interviews or, you
know, where they're training. I mean, even Israeli
media caught reported on Israel getting caught doing
that. And so the conversation becomes, is this
about some kind of a a different
Like, right now, I think a lot of
people are beginning to recognize that there's a
different way the world actually works. That's a,
like, a global thing. Right? And that's to
this local point about whether or not there's
involvement with the cartels, like the DEA getting
caught in 2025
literally helping them
launder their money about whether this was something
that was, like,
maybe stopping that. And this was a response
to try to push back on some kind
of affecting and I'm this isn't even unique
to US and Israel, but, like, a global
network of control. Do you see anything that
goes that direction, or how else do you
see that? That's kinda what I was getting
at. Like, the bigger
Yeah. My my my mind immediately went to
Eric Holder in Fast and the Furious. Pablo
Escobar. Thank you, Gabe. I can't believe I
didn't remember his name. Yeah. So so
so
immediately, I started thinking of Fast and Furious.
Right? So so running guns into Mexico. So,
again, it's like, oh, the cartels are setting
off these bombs. They're committing violence. It's like,
yeah, with the weapons that we sent them.
Okay? And then I started to think, well,
also Israel is sending weapons as well, and
they're doing training. So what is that?
What's that? So so what it isn't,
I think what it isn't
is it isn't the government versus the cartel.
I don't think it's that. Right. That's the
I think the government time ago. I think
the government in the cartel have a mutually
parasitic relationship. Right? They need each other, or
maybe the government doesn't need the cartel, but
the cartel is there, and they have to
deal with it. They can
and and
so I don't see them
as
maybe, well, maybe they are sworn enemies, but
I don't see that as preventing them from
working with each other when they need to.
So I'm always a bit
suspicious about this. I I I have maybe
you maybe you can help me walk
work this out
because we've got
Claudia Sheinbaum
Mhmm. President of Mexico, Jewish, yet
her policy seemed to be very supportive of
Palestinians, which has thrown me for a loop.
I don't know
what to make of that.
The point about whether it's, you know, it's
not just being Jewish is is not necessarily
the tie. It's the Zionist element of the
Jewish or Christian side of it. So I
think that that's, you know it I but
I go ahead. Sorry. I didn't mean to
cut you off. No. I I
part we should go into. Go ahead. My
assumption is she wouldn't be she wouldn't be
the president of Mexico if she was just
Jewish. She'd have to be Jewish and Zionist
to me. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.
But but to me, it would right, though.
That's a that's the it's an important factor
to get into because I do think that
that's a whether Jewish or Zionist independently or,
you know, just Jewish or just sign, that
there's there's there's are elements of manipulation from
the outside. Yeah. And I think that does
matter. Like, that's the that's the people out
there that wanna to argue that the Zionist
discussion or Israel is devoid of a Jewish
element are lying as well. Right? So I
think it's always important to highlight that, but
keep please continue your point. Yeah. So I
I'm
you know, I wondered about this
since it didn't break off into
a
continued
escalation of violence,
that that it that it felt kinda like
pro wrestling.
And and and and, look, you can get
hurt for real when you're fake wrestling.
So it it's it's not to be it's
not it's not that, oh, all of this
is fake. No. It's it's real, but it's
controlled. Controlled aggression. It's controlled bombs. You know?
It's we're gonna and we see this a
lot in war too. Like, oh, they launched
a drone strike against
Iran, and Iran has to retaliate. They have
to retaliate, but maybe they retaliate by saying,
we're gonna send a missile tomorrow at 02:00PM
and and hit this place right here. Make
sure everybody's out. Don't you agree that's what
happened last time? Like, I feel like there
was reports that that's ultimately what happened, but
then Israel just took advantage of it at
the after the agreed kind of back and
forth. That's what it looked like last time.
Right. What a what a surprise. So so,
yeah, I am always
looking for whatever is under the surface. Right?
The the the
the obvious is the cartels versus the government.
Right. But we know that there's more than
that. So I guess I'm wondering
I guess I'm wondering
how this plays into
Israel's
pretty I don't know if they've come out
and publicly stated this, but but for those
of us who have been paying attention,
there has been a pivot to South America
by the Israelis. They're they're they're they're, you
know, we're starting to hear about Patagonia and
we're obviously with Argentina and Malay. And and
and Venezuela
got gets gets, Maduro removed, and then they
normalize relationships
with,
with Israel immediately and start selling their oil
to Israel immediately. And so you say, okay.
So Israel is definitely looking like
Operation Condor two. I don't know. They're they're
they're they've got theirs their eyes set on
South America, and and and I would say
Central America as well. So so is this
just the beginning
of
sort of the
Pax Judaica in
the Western Hemisphere.
Well, I think that's exactly what I think
we have to always remember is it's not
one or the other. I mean, we can
I think we should and and have in
the past discussed which one might be more
guiding the other between The US and Israel?
That's an important conversation because who's to say?
I think I have my opinion. But I
think, you know, both of these agendas are
the same today. Right? So it's clear that
The US has had this Monroe doctrine sort
of our hemisphere perspective for a really long
time. Right? And clearly, that's kind of ebbed
and flowed. I mean, I think it's never
really stopped, but the narratives have changed. Today,
it's just gone. Hey. Like, it's just it's
crazy how on the yeah. I think it's
I think what Israel's driving through this administration
is to make all of this happen. Like,
I think Netanyahu personally feels that his window
is closing on when he can effectively make
all this happen. And so Iran's his wet
dream of Iran is literally taking place, and
I think he his calculus is, well, we
have to bring Lebanon immediately involved because otherwise,
we might get this, but then Lebanon will
still be there. And I think Netanyahu feels
that he might be losing power soon, and
that that's what Israel's saying. And so I
think all of this is sort of mashing
this into one large agenda. I think it
has to do with the AI direction, the
control grid, Right? Re rare earth minerals, Venezuela,
lithium, I've go you know, golden oil as
well. And I think that's what this is.
And so I think you're right, though. But
I think the Israel sort of focusing might
just be that all of this is their
common agenda at this point. And I think
or or or you could argue that this
was always what Israel wanted, and they're driving
The US to do it. Right? But it's
at this point, I just see it as
one thing, one conglomerate. You know? And I
do that's why so I think you're right.
But I just see it as, like, part
of the larger ongoing agenda of mashing
their kind of religious Zionist prophetic
agenda with this kind of AI control structure.
It's kind of, like, all in one thing.
I mean, look. They're building a Gaza Freedom
City technocratic control structure in Gaza, which right
there is your overlapping point. You know? Yeah.
Really quickly before I get past it, just
to make sure that it wasn't confusing before,
the I couldn't remember Pablo Escobar's name. And
the point is that's the Medellin Cartel, different
location, but the point is you can see
them funding all of these different cartels. Like,
you can see them funding the the Rwanda
conversation. You can see them funding with in
regard to the Bosnia genocide. It's It's not
a secret. Just in case that was my
point was just trying to remember all the
different evidences showing that they're, like, literally on
almost on the surface working to arm the
very people that the government's outwardly saying is
the bad guy we're fighting. The history like
that is so ridiculous. And so that's what
I'm wondering back to you that kind of
full circle to what you just said is
if this was in some way
maybe manufactured involvement with her to get some
kind of outcome. But the way I felt
that made sense when I first saw it
because Sean Sean and Bob, have you seen
as you as you pointed out, has been
pretty resistant
in a lot of ways, health wise more
than most, like pushing back on the GMO
corn discussion on a lot of their kind
of, you know, the bio overlap.
But I've I'll I see things as well
that maybe wonder whether there's more collaboration. So
I wondered whether this was her just deciding
to kind of just, you know, maybe cut
off the head of the snake in regard
to how they manipulate Mexico, if that's the
way you read that. You know? I thought
that was an interesting thought, and we should
be considering that. So, you know, any thoughts
on that? And then, like, how do you
see this? Like, do you feel like anything
changed? And, you know, what else to add
to this that you saw? Because you were
there. You know? Least that you were there
during certain points, and then you've talked to
a lot of people that were there as
it was happening. You know? Well,
I yeah. I I
I
just keep wondering
if, you know, she ran the gauntlet
and survived the 30 other politicians that got
killed. It's not like you just lose the
the race in Mexico. It's like
they hang you from the bridge.
So
I wonder, You know, I just wonder how
much you you how much power you really
have once you get into that position. You
know? You're you're constantly reminded that you're one
step away from them blowing up your motorcade
or, you know,
shooting you and you're grabbing your kids or
whatever. I mean, so Yeah. I do not
curious too, though. Like, think about that, Americans.
Imagine that's how this country operates too, and
we just don't let ourselves see that, like
an Epstein point or anything else. You know?
Of course. I think that's a calculus that
most people need to to,
put use, you know, to
run through their internal filter when when they
start seeing people
saying and doing things that they don't normally
say. It's like, well, have you considered that
maybe they've been pulled aside and threatened? Because,
you know, you're gonna make a decision. Let's
say you're gonna vote one way or another
and you're a senator.
You know, you're
you may have to make a vote simply
because you wanna stay alive. Your or your
family wants to stay alive, and you can
be dismissive of that, and you go, oh,
you guys.
This is big boy politics.
This is the type of of games where
people go missing all the time or their
cars blow up or things like this is
they're not playing around. So when it comes
down to this, I think that people need
to always remember.
Now you may get into politics for all
the right reasons and think you're gonna change
things and go in there with a good
heart. But like Putin said, you know, when
they asked him, can you
work with Donald Trump again? He says, I've
worked with plenty of American presidents. They all
have these grand ideas when they come into
office, and then they get a visit in
the White House from the men in black
suits, and then all those ideas go out
the window. And and and, of course, I
think when people hear that, they go, oh,
yeah.
CIA. Right? No, man. That's Chabad.
That's the the Chabad guys in black suits
that show up with their hats, and then
you they take all your all your good
ideas, and they go, that's nice. We're not
doing any of those. From now on, you
work with work for us. And so I
I think that people need to to remember
that that's a thing. I mean and and
by the way, Putin saying that, I don't
I don't I don't
say that he's off the hook either because
there's plenty of pictures with him with all
those guys standing behind his desk as well.
So
I actually only point that out because I
think if anyone would know, it would be
Putin.
And I think it's important to point out,
and then you can speak for yourself on
this, is I I imagine we probably agree,
is that that's no way to give, like,
a a passive accountability. Right? No. And and
this and I think this is important to
think about because I I I addressed this
the other day when it came to, like,
even Trump. Like, let's just say
it like, right now, interestingly fleshing out, and
we can get into this when we get
into Iran. I wanna do one more point
about the cartel with Bondi real quick. But
the the the point of whether he was
tricked or or played by Netanyahu. And I
think that is the reality, and it still
does not I think Trump is still clearly
everything that makes them like, what I think
he is, you know, is what he's shown
you throughout this administration, I think, is very
clear, whether or not
he was played into this thing with Iran.
You know? But the point is, if if
ultimately Netanyahu did kinda play him using the
threat of nukes in Iran or whatever, you
know, it's the point would that would in
some way remove a a level of accountability.
Not entirely, but he, you know, you he
felt pressured. So that is some like, it's
not like he just woke up and goes,
I'm gonna kill Iran because I want to.
But it's still some level of accountability. But
thinking about that in a larger sense, if,
like, say, his family is being threatened or,
like, RFK Junior and and Israel, the comments
was, oh, he's being threatened by Israel. Okay.
Maybe. But first, let's prove that. But does
that then make him no longer responsible? Does
that make him no longer guilty? Like, there's
a level of that. My point is if
we don't know for sure, we just can't
even consider that. Like, if there's just no
way you can involve that in the decision
making, we have to address what's happening. Do
we think this is wrong or right? Do
we agree with why it's happening?
Whether he's being forced into it, first, again,
has to be proven, but whether or not
how does that change our lives? You know
what I mean? No. It's We have to
always treat it as if regardless of whether
they're blackmailed. We have to stand for what
we know is right and then address those
consequences. You know, like, if you were Trump
and that was happening, you should have stood
up and said, Israel's threatening to nuke Iran,
and they're trying to force me to do
it. You know, maybe that would have ended
up with them doing exactly that, but that
threat is always still there. By not addressing
it, you let that threat continue to guide
the world and control everything else. That doesn't
seem like good math to me. You know?
And and by putting yourself in a position
where you can get compromised, you it's your
own fault too. Like, hey, Bobby Kennedy. You
know, Israel's gonna whack me if they well,
maybe you shouldn't have put yourself in a
situation where you gave them the evidence that
they needed to put you in that in
that spot. So so, again, there's there's responsibility
on both ends. And you knew the job
was dangerous when you took it. If you
decide to become a a United States senator,
god forbid, the president of The United States,
you have to understand. If I know it,
you know it. That you have put your
entire family in danger by doing that. And
now
you have to play a game of not
stepping on the mind on the minds in
the mind field and hope that you don't
blow yourself to smithereens.
But this but, again, do I have sympathy
for those people? Zero.
None. I I don't care what Lindsey Graham
did in the past to put him in
this situation. He is a
traitor. Right? So so,
again,
the the the the Israelis or the Russians
or the whoever, they manipulated me into doing
it. Okay. Well, it's still you doing it.
It's still your fault for being, you know,
being able to be manipulated.
And and so yeah. Sure. I get it
that other people are exerting
undue influence on you, but, like, let's not
pretend that this is something that just started
yesterday. This has been going on forever. If
you get into this world of politics,
you're in it because you're in it for
some personal reasons. You're in it because it
gives you,
you know, everything that you want, money, power,
ego, fame, fortune, women, kids, whatever it is
you're into, they'll give it to you. But
there's a price that comes with it. You
don't get to you don't get to pick
the songs that they play, man. You just
have to dance. If you're if you're Trump,
you gotta get out there and you dance,
but you do not get to pick the
songs. And and if and if he ever
complains about not getting to pick the music,
I have zero sympathy for him. Because, again,
you knew the job was dangerous when you
took it, and you you decide to get
into these and you make decisions that impact
people's lives. So if if if you make
the wrong decision and some bad guy whacks
you, oh, well. I just don't have sympathy
for these people at this point. Well, and,
like, the point you're making, that's if we
knew they were compromised. But, see, we're at
a point where we don't even know that
for sure. So now they get whacked, and
now we won't even know for sure whether
they were compromised or you know, it's like
we just have to go at this with
what we know we can prove and and
what we know is right. I mean, this
go back to basics, guys. Same point I
make with constitutional rights and everything, fire in
the theater. We need to go hardcore back
to basics. It's clear how these things are
being used against us. You know? And I
think I think that, like, I really do
genuinely believe that that's how this works right
now. And I think that's what's so confounding
for this whole system is that it seems
a lot of people, hopefully, the majority, are
now starting to, you know, open their minds
to that real possibility. I kinda framed it
that way yesterday where, like, I think we're
at a point where, you know, with Trump,
you know,
just clumsily lying about what what's going on
in Iran. Like, I forget the last one.
It was whatever the lie was about, you
know, first saying that it was Iran. Oh,
no. Now anybody could have the tomahawk. You
know, just lies that anybody can see. You
know? And it's like, I just hope I
mean, Iraq, I you probably agree. I think
it was this obvious then too. I just
think that the situation has changed. And now
I'm hoping, and this is what I believe,
is that more people care about the truth
than they do about their team. And that's
what that point comes back to about whether
they're compromised. It ultimately comes back to identity
politics. It says you care more about the
person, the team, than you do about whether
or not the, you know, the outcome which
you're actually fighting for is is the endpoint.
It's it's just crazy to me. Well, I
wonder if recently,
it seems like there has been, in in
in a way that I haven't seen since
since forever,
there's been a lot of Trump people that
are sort of
has he's crossed a lot their line in
the sand for some of them. And and
and I'm I'm glad
I'm glad. I mean, what took you so
long? I suppose everybody's got a different line,
and and maybe if you if you voted
for him and you you desperately wanted to
believe it, maybe maybe just you were willing
to
allow him
to lie on the campaign trail about a
million things. I'm gonna make this great. I'm
gonna make that terrible. I mean, whatever.
But all I need you to do is
keep one promise, man. Do not start another
war. We can't afford it. We don't need
it.
Morally, socially, economically, it's bad. It's it's just
bad all the way around. Whatever you do,
you give Israel money because I know you're
gonna do it anyway. You can give them
weapons because I know you're gonna do that,
but just don't start the war. And then
they do
it, and their reasons for doing it are
so nonsensical,
And the
information that they're giving us back from, I
don't know, whether it's Pete Hegseth or Trump
himself.
You know, we're winning bigly. It's the most
biggest winnest winningest winning war ever, and you
just go,
are these words coming out of your mouth?
You sound like you're six, and you're just
making it up. And it feels It's that
so cartoonish at a time when you need
serious people in the room to prevent World
War three from really kicking out. And you
get a guy that's that that comes in
front of a microphone and says, we've destroyed
everything in Iran that's worth destroying. I mean,
what a what a blatant lie. Like, I
almost hope that they I almost hope that
they prove him wrong after a statement like
that, you know, but I don't Seriously. I
don't wish that, and I don't wish I
know what that means. And so I'm trying
to be, like, a decent human being and
not
want, you know,
that.
But it's just so frustrating. I hope the
people that are jumping off the Trump bandwagon
in droves wake up and and realize that
this doesn't mean that you have to support
the blue team. You understand that you you
don't have to pick either side here. There's
a third option. There's many options. Mhmm. But
but for those who are are are frustrated
with Trump, like,
I mean, I guess, what
welcome to the party.
So long. So long. Well, but but your
point before you're too far away from it,
though, like, what what even if a statement
like, especially if it's accurate. Like, if he
if they just said, which even Trump's truth
post said, that we will now bomb, you
know, the easy targets because they're not responding
or whatever he made. The the point was
everybody was like, that's a that's that's intent
to genocide right there. You just made explicitly
clear or war crimes at the very least
that you're gonna target things that are not
military targets. That's undeniably clear. We already know
what's happened. So if Higgseth comes up and
says we're you know, bombed everything that's not
you know, whatever his statement was, like, there's
no way you don't take that as
whether like, okay.
Either a crime of how far over the
top it is with all the things that
we know they're bombing, you can prove schools,
it's like every other time, hospitals. But that,
ultimately, that doesn't even remotely align with how
this thing started, like, thirty seconds ago. Obviously,
even before that, no war at all. But
now we're going, okay, limited strikes just to
get them to the table. Oh, just to
make sure that we can to decapitate the
leader. Well, this has all happened. And so
what is what are we why is he
continuing? Bombing more places because Israel is the
one driving this and Trump doesn't seem to
under I mean, I'm wondering whether he's always
been involved with that, which is where I've
been so far, or right now with what's
happening that he is now genuinely starting to
recognize that he is being played by his
own team.
You know? I think that's very important to
think about because, I mean, the recent reports
are whether now he's going, well, which is
so embarrassing.
Kushner and Whitcough told me this. What kind
of fuck I shouldn't cuss. I'm sorry. I'm
like, I'm gonna wake up. What kind of
leader makes that kind of statement? You throw
your under like, that's that is the weakest
statement in the room. Sorry. I'm ranting now.
But my weak go ahead. It's a weak
statement, but good. I'm glad he threw those
two guys under the bus. They deserve to
have the bus drive right over them. I
think Jared Kushner is a bad guy. I
think he may be, you know,
he may have some I mean, he may
be Trump's handler in some weird sort of
way. Imagine
that. Imagine being
your father in law's handler.
Howling on Thanksgiving would be weird.
But but the the this is
you know?
Do we do we take Pete Hegseth away
in handcuffs and and drag him to The
Hague and make him answer? I mean, so
if you bombed everything
worth bombing, then the bombing's done. Right? Exactly.
Right? And that next time we're not thing
that's not worth bombing by your logic.
Right. So so okay. So now we're bombing
things
that aren't worth bombing, which as you said,
is a war crime. So we could we
can lock people up for that. But I
don't think they understand
the perception of this from
the general pub. I mean,
outside of America, obviously, nobody's in favor of
that. Why I have a hard time with
this though because I look, I think Hegseth
and almost everyone he's got around him are
like are are I'm surprised they can tie
their shoes in the morning without with with
the way that they put this stuff forward.
Doesn't mean they're, you know there's people that
could have been more tactful about this, just
as malicious and evil, but would have presented
well. You know? So I'm wondering if that's
the case, both because they're there, which I
think is insane in the first place, with
anybody else around all other people can see
that there are people at the top are
ridiculous, their own people, that either that's, you
know, them being there or the ongoing statements
driving away from even what Trump just said.
How do we not see that as either
Trump has always been on a different non
America first agenda, which is possible, or that,
like I said, we're literally watching them got
like, have control over this. And and it's
it's like hegseth is a religious Zionist.
It's very clear. He said this out loud.
Right? So and and Trump has made it
clear now that a lot of these things
that are happening like, you can go back
to his first administration. He gave the military
the authority to carry out orders without him,
like, the the the higher ups. Remember that
with the the largest non nuclear bomb? That
that became very clear. So now we have
this disconnect between Trump
and then the, like, leadership. So if that's
Hegseth,
doesn't it alarm anybody that he may be
taking directions from something other than Trump? You
know? So my point is I'm I think
what this is starting to show is is
that they're that this is demonstrating the agenda
for where it's actually being driven from. And
you like, if you wanna argue with some
other country,
show me the evidence. I'm all for I
mean, I'm all for acknowledging that. I just
want Americans to see that this is happening.
Like, it's a pretty obvious reality that this
is not being driven by what we think.
You know what I mean? Yeah. And we're
starting to move into the realm
of fantasy world as opposed to actual targets.
Right? There so at first, it's like we've
gotta get their nuclear facilities because of, you
know, the reasons. And now it's like
Trump was chosen by God,
and we're on a holy mission. And it's
like, okay. Well, then then now
now we're in a really weird spot because
what are you gonna do? Am I gonna
sit you down at the negotiating table and
say, what does god want for for I
mean, what what does your god want in
this discussion? You know what I mean? It's
like, now we're we're not even dealing with
human to human negotiations. Now you've dragged in
an eternal spirit into this who's also
apparently
a real estate
land,
specialist
who, you know,
on contract law over two thousand years of
whose land is whose, and and you start
to get into this this world of, like,
my god is better than your god, and
and it's like, okay.
This is it's all it's one thing if
we're having this discussion in some debate somewhere.
Right. But it's quite another thing. We have
carrier groups in the Persian Gulf. We have
we have people in the Red Sea. We
have we have troops all over the place
that need somebody that I mean,
Rumsfeld would roll over in his grave if
he saw Pete Hegseth right now. I mean,
the the the weak the weird,
weak,
cartoonish leadership of him I mean, I swear
to god, I think they pick the people
for his cabinet
based on the way they look. Like, they
look like television parts. This that too. I
think it's a lot of performing role there.
What I mean is that they were chosen
because they're weak,
because they're incompetent,
because they and and even worse, allowed to
be to think that they're at the top
of their game, like Akash Patel. Like, I
I they they seem to exude this, like,
self confidence that's wildly unjustified, and then their
actions
believit. I think that's my point. Like, that
this is, like, the end look. Here's the
important thing I think I'm hoping to think
about with the overlap of Israel's agenda.
Their religious belief from a Zionist perspective is
whatever you wanna call it. Religious is probably
the wrong word, but the understanding of where
it starts from, but that is the the
West collapsing is one is one of the
major parts that brings on the end times,
and this is what people like that think.
And so Zionist,
Pegseth,
believes that this brings you know, that the
West must collapse. You know? And so this
I this is the these are people in
these positions of power, and so that might
be something he's willfully driving with actions. But
I wonder if it's that they've been placed
here because this country is now bringing its
I mean, look at how clearly we are
on the decline as the government, as their
actions, what they do in the world. I
feel like that's being engineered,
like, genuinely engineered to where we are collapsing
in front of the world for that output
or, you know, maybe with Israel's perspective to
drive war to The United States to create
that kind of situation. I just wanna reiterate.
This is not some hypothetical
this is
Ben the Gaveer, Smotrich, and even Netanyahu is
a I mean, the Analak conversation. Like, they
genuinely believe this reality. And I think we
have to realize that that's not some tangential
side thing. They believe that needs to happen,
and they're guiding us right now through this
administration. That's just terrifying. You know? Yeah. And
it reminds me of what Chomsky was saying
when he was arguing with this reporter. The
reporter was saying, what do you say say
I don't believe the things that I say?
And he said, no. If you believe something
different, you wouldn't be in the seat that
you're in. Oh, thank you. Right. So and
so with Hegseth. Like, do I think that
he's being manipulated by Israel? Yes.
But I don't know how much manipulation they
need to do because I think he genuinely
believes this stuff. And, again, he wouldn't be
in the position that he's in if he
didn't believe it because he he he fulfills
a couple
tech, ticks on the,
checkbox.
He's
he's controlled by Israel. You gotta have that.
He looks the part, and he's kinda stupid.
Mhmm. So you can blame him. So you
put these incompetent people in there, the Pam
Bondis, Kash Patel's,
Hegzits of the world, who look kind of
the part. Right? Well, maybe not Kash Patel,
but, yeah, they're always they looked the part,
and
but they're kind of incompetent.
And when it falls apart or when they
make some dumb dumb decision,
which is a decision that was being made
for them from behind or that they were
influenced to make, then you can just say,
well, what did you expect when you got
a guy like Pete Hegseth on Fox News?
Yes. Exactly. Really gonna figure it out? I
mean, he's a dummy. So I think that
those I think that, again, it's like you
go through school, you get a degree, you
work your ass off, and you go, if
I'm if I'm the best in my
career, in my field, they'll they'll promote me
to the top. And then, like, you see
what happens in politics. It's like, let's take
the best. I don't want the best. We
can't compromise them. We can't discard them later.
Like, the no. Let's take kind of the
mediocre,
and let's elevate them. Right. They'll think they
won the lottery. They'll think,
I'm so smart. Look at me.
And then their arrogance will get them into
all sorts of trouble, and then we can
throw them away when we're done with them.
And and or You you could have Noam
or any of the rest fail upward.
Right?
Promote you after you get exposed for being
a criminal. You know? It's Every time. But
you're gonna have to have to have a
makeover
Right. After everyone. You're gonna move up a
a level. You've gotta get the extensions and
the, you know, the whole thing.
Well, before we go continue, I wanna get
into more of the Iran conversation, but this
really does all interconnect in a lot of
clear ways.
On the cartel point, there was another, another,
report that came out.
And this this was The Independent.
This is just on the Newsbreak app that
I'm showing it here, but it The Independent
was the platform that reported it.
Trump's
AG, Pam Bondi, is moved to heavily guarded
military base after threats over Epstein files from
the cartels.
Does that make sense to you just on
the title already? Like, when I read that,
I'm like, wait. What? Did I misunderstand?
Wait. So you're telling me that so the
cartels are mad at Bondi for the way
that she's not released the proper information?
That makes sense. It says attorney general Pam
Bondi's reportedly been moved to secure housing on
a Washington DC area apparently, like, a month
ago is what they're reporting, which is being
discovered now, and which I guess I haven't
seen it that much, which seems to make
sense. Military a military bay base, which they're
bombing these right now, after she received threats
from drug cartels.
And those angry with her over well, here's
what's interesting. And those angry with her over
the handling handling of Epstein, it goes on
to essentially make the argument that it's cartels.
But what's interesting to me is who would
be mostly angry with them for not doing
the right thing about the files?
Pretty sure it's not mostly Democrats. Us. Hearing.
If anyone would wanna be
car bombing
Pam Bondi, it would be the
citizens of The United States Of America who
are who want would like for her to
do her job.
But I mean, I do agree. What's interesting
more so than anything is that right now,
they're manufacturing this kind of narrative about, like
and I do very much think, as we've
discussed, that there's more connections there than not.
And that they're
create like, I don't think that even makes
sense on its face. But so let's just
make a story where the cartels are mad
at Bondi because we need you to think
about cartel bad guys even though I'm not
even suggesting they're not, but clearly, it's like
anything else that that talk about proxies who
we're I think we're dealing with. And and
then because the Epstein files. Like, why not
just mash it all together? Like, I just
don't even understand this. I think I I
would argue this is probably entirely made up.
Just my gut. What do you think? I'm
an intern who's pulling names out. It's like,
Pam Bondi
Right. Taliban,
crystal meth. I don't know. We'll find a
we'll make a headline out of that somehow.
Seriously.
It's very strange. It's well, this is the
the mainstream corporate media trying to
to
to harness your righteous anger. Right? You're you're
if you're angry about the hey. Well, I'm
angry about the
Epstein files too. And it's like, oh, the
cartels and I have something in common now.
They're angry about it as well.
Like the like the cartels care about the
Epstein file. I mean, come on. Well, I
have to say I don't even get how
that connects. Like, you know, reading through this,
it really just gets into, like, a just
this like, a broad idea, like, somehow because
evil people are being exposed
like that. Like, oh, well, it must be
you know, it just didn't make sense. Like,
I haven't even seen, you know, e either
way, what I think this comes back to,
as it says, she isn't the only Trump
administration official who's been moved to military bases.
Like, I think that they may be worried.
Like, this may just be because they think
that they're because that they poke the bee's
nest unjustifiably
that now that they may be assassinated.
You know? And legally speaking, I don't see
like, they have been doing this nonstop. So
I think even like, I don't how does
how does that work in international law? So
if if I think a unilateral assassination is
clearly illegal. But if if if a if
a government starts a war
and then that becomes and I'm I'm let's
just say a well, because Comenity was, you
know, like, assassinating the pope to in it
from our perspective. Like, that wouldn't even be
a military, so I don't think that's even
a legal target. But is that legal then
to assassinate the, you know, head of the
other country after they've initiated war? Do you
know if that may if that lines up?
I'm not even sure. I think there's always
been some kind of, like, a caveat for
just you, like, executing the president or, you
know, the leader versus the I don't know.
You have any insight on that?
I I don't know from a legal standpoint.
I'd it just seems like A lot. From
a moral,
like, from
a
we're the producers of the play. We don't
kill each other. We let the actors kill
each other. You know what I mean? And
and that sort of thing. I I
maybe maybe
maybe when you're
doing
things as the American empire at the behest
of Israel,
maybe there are there's just no line in
the sand anymore. Maybe there's no honor amongst
thieves, and you do
whack the head of of of I mean,
maybe in
maybe you don't normally do it, but you
do it with Khomeini because, you know, Iran
and seven countries in five years, and that's
the big one. Maybe you don't do it
well, actually, you do it to the leader
if you didn't bring in the COVID vaccines
in Africa. Right? Or how many of those
guys got whacked?
So that that said, no. We're not gonna
we're fine. We don't we don't need Pfizer,
and then the guy winds up. Right. Yeah.
So I I think that they're just worried.
I think that, you know, clearly well, like,
that was just a curiosity point, but I
think, really, I don't think any of these
governments are are I don't think any government
in the world would truly be that worried
about breaking international law should it be in
their interest, and they recognize a way out
of it. I that's my personal opinion. I
think that's most governments, if not all. But
I think that they're just worried about that
kind of blowing back on them. And this
overlaps with the I'm sure you saw the
reports.
It's interesting the timing on this, sort of
like Trump and the the minds. Remind me
to talk about that because it's just funny
the way that they feel like they're setting
us up with these narratives. But you got
the arguments of, you know, there being, like,
a signal that they caught, that Iran was
activating sleeper cells, which I that's certainly possible.
But, again, because it it's like the boy
who cries wolf. This country is like, okay,
guys. Like, they how many times have they
told us aliens are real in the past,
like, six years? We're like, whatever, man.
Just move on.
Yeah. That that was
that was one of the things I had
a a tweet about that. Let me see
if I can find it because
when when they they said
the
the story was,
that
well, let me let me see if I
can find it here. Oh, good. Well, what
I what I find interesting about all this
is the timing, obviously. You know? But is
it possible? Of course, it is. And and
from Veron's perspective, because we know that they're
doing it to them, that it would even
make sense. You know? And and it's illegal
no matter how much you spend it. I
mean, that's what's funny to me is that
it is illegal based on any understanding of
international law, you know, to what but our
CIA, they they're proudly, you know, like, we've
steal, we cheat. We while we cheat, we
steal Pompeo. It's just a funny this perspective
we have of ourselves or rather the government
does of its own actions. But the recent
report was that there were sleeper cells in
Iran, and now there was a follow-up report
basically saying that they were they've been activated,
essentially. And then that's just kinda spun out
in the mainstream alternative media with
Sean Ryan, in in, like, the last discussion,
you know, the the the drones sniffing or
the sniffing bomb drones in Iran and the
same that it was all a bunch of
hype, and they got caught faking that email
and the whole damn thing. You know? It
doesn't mean it's not possible, but just recognize
how often they try to lie us into
these things. Go ahead. Well, this was the
the tweet from ABC News. The US has
intercepted encrypted communications
believed to have originated in Iran that may
serve,
and I just said I laughed too. Believed
to have is code for we made it
up. Oh, that's fine. I did see you
tweet that. I think that that probably is
what set in my mind when I went
through have you read the entire article? It
is cartoonish.
It's like, it you know, we we believe
we've discovered something that may have been this,
and we and it could have taken place
at this time, and what might have like,
literally, like, six different versions of extending this.
Basically, the headline should have been something we're
not sure about that we don't know where
and when, but maybe. Like, that's literally the
whole story.
My favorite that they didn't use in this
article, but they they probably saved it for
another one is people close to the president's
thinking said. Yeah. Yeah. What's that? You go,
oh, okay.
Good. So it's a random guy's opinion about
what Trump may think. Great journalism. It's clear,
like, as we know and hopefully people know
by now, this is just so somebody in
this in this whether, again, manufacturing consent, the
editor, whatever, maybe just decided to do it
themselves, but otherwise, guided by something, did you
go, let's push out this narrative? Like, the
the you see how this works. It's a
threat to our democracy down every channel. Right?
They oh, here's the narrative, and then they
frame it their own slight variations. They know
the window in which they can operate, and
it ends up being the same story. There's
nothing to go on. I mean, has anybody
even really followed up other than people in
the IMA and independent media about, like, the
the Halloween terror attack? Or I mean, I
just went over this again from Alex Jones
predictions. Where what is is is Leticia James
in jail? How how about James Comey? You
know? And the point was every one of
these things were designed to fail in my
mind. I said the moment they came out
when looking through the data, I was like,
this is going to fail. They set this
up. There's nothing to go on or or
the auto pen discussion. You know? It's we
we talked early on. Most bad guy, I
think, are starting to turn, but, like, think
about today what the actions they're taking. They're
lying about damn near everything. You know? Yeah.
Well, in addition to emceeing all five days
of Anarkapulco, I also had a a slot
a speaking slot. And and I used that,
to speak about the
rise of the independent media about and and
more importantly, I I talked about
Operation Mockingbird
and the influence
of the CIA early on and how they
take the narrative. And, you know, it it'd
be one thing
if the mainstream media
and, well, sometimes they do it, especially with
war. But for the most part, if they
took a story and just completely turned at
one eighty, that's too much. You know, it's
too obvious when you do that. And so
I was kind of reminding the audience, like,
the best propaganda
is when you just knock it a little
bit off course. Right. Right. You know? Just
enough. And and and gradually over time, you
get so far away from it that you
there's no
connection to the truth at all. But but
that's the real
key. I mean, if you wanna have proper
I'm not trying to teach these lunatics how
to lie to us better, but I mean,
you know, you you don't
don't you you don't make it so obvious
that you're trying to throw people onto
onto another
trail. You just you just nudge. I mean,
the nudge unit in The UK is a
prime example. They actually call it that. It's
like, we just wanna we don't wanna totally
turn you into somebody else. We just wanna
move you or thinking just a little bit
off of where it currently is. Right? Right.
You know? And and and this is again
to that same point. Look at what the
current administration is doing. Like, I I swear,
I've said this so many times more than
I've I've seen in the past. I've said
this in the past, but I've never seen
it this much. These these guys lie about
things that you don't even need to lie
about. You know, like, in wait. And they're
like, why did you even like, who knows?
Maybe they're just so desperate or so, you
know but the point is they lie in
ways that are, like like you just said,
not mostly truth in a small, like, just
blatant, hardcore,
like, challenging what even the people right around
them would wanna say. You know? And the
question is why?
Incompetence,
I think that's self evident, but I do
think it's more than You know? Like, there's
such like, my like, the points we make
all the there are people around them, people
that have been doing this their entire lives
that know, like, that you shouldn't say that
or not allowing you to do it, but
they still do it. Trump's out there still
you know, in some cases, I do think
he's the one putting these things out. It's
like there's in the past, you see, like,
speaking to handlers, they know people that are
like, no. You know, this is the right
tie. No. Say it like this. But it
seems like that's not as much there. At
the very least, they're the ones driving them
to do the things that, like, make Americans
see this. Now I don't know why that
would be the agenda, but, again, I think
it's more about kind of a, you know,
bringing this all down around its ankles, both
because of what I think the agenda is
about, like, the West and The US discussion,
but also because of the global conversation, you
know, about creating this massive shift of which
The United States, the current reality is sort
of the guiding,
you know, guidepost on, like, the current direction.
Right? And that's always been shifting the bricks
and everything. But I think what we're seeing
is that massive transition into the new you
know, well, the way I read it is
that the Trump the the people right now
in control of that direction don't wanna lose
that control to some other you know, that
Trump wants to position himself as this, like,
emperor king of, like, the new global order,
like, this globalism. You know? And so I
think that's what comes back to, like, why
a lot of this is happening. So let's
talk about the the Strait Of Hormuz and
and some of these other points. And and,
you know, bring up anything by the way
that you wanna get into. These are just
some of the things that I had lined
up. And I think what's interesting is about
the mind part and actually to bring it
together what I was just talking about with
the propaganda.
It it this is so weird how I
keep seeing this. So Trump and I I
my mind, this is somebody guiding this through
him. I don't even think he this is
obvious the way it's happening. Trump comes up
and goes, you know, there's no reason to
say this. There's no indication it's happening. But
if they put minds in the Strait Of
Hermos, then we're gonna have an issue with
that, and we're gonna have to do something
about it. And so, he makes a clear
point to say, it's not happening, but if.
Right?
Right. Like, not even twenty four hours later,
there's mines and reports of mines, which is
certainly possible. Like, this is not a new
conversation. Right? It's happened before. This is not
their their controlled area. They threaten things like
this. But why would he come out and
say it's not happening, but if it does,
and then right after all of a sudden
there's reports, makes you wonder whether even actually
our minds at this point. You know, it's
just like they did this, and I'm wondering
whether that's something that somebody being fed Trump,
like, even in his inner circle. You know?
Put out a tweet saying this can't happen,
and then they're, like, okay. Initiate the mind
conversation. It's just how I read that. But
either way, now they're using this argument to
say that they're mining this and we're gonna,
you know, create this conflict in the zone
when I don't even think it's effectively shut
down. In fact, I think you can easily
prove that. It's just very restricted based on
their threats. Like but now with the mist
the the actual mines,
they can actually argue that they're legitimately shutting
it down. So I'm wondering whether that's a
ploy. Because I I don't think Iran is
in the interest right now to actually, like,
legitimately shut it
down. I think they're playing their game with
the threats to slow down the interest, you
know, but I think if they know if
they're, like, literally blockaded the pathway that that
would become something that everybody would use to
go after them. You know? Just just my
just my 2¢. You're reading the you know,
writing on the wall. So what do you
think? So well, I would look at what
happened when the Bab El Mandeb Strait, right,
where
there there were some ships that were allowed
to pass through through there. We got no
problem with you. You're good. You go on
through. But if you're an Israeli flagship or
somebody who's an American flag or you're trying
to pretend like you're not, then we'll light
you up. And so
whether it's mined or not, doesn't even really
matter at this point.
The you're you're a target.
And if and for people who are unfamiliar
with that kink in where the Strait Of
Hormuz is.
Yeah. I I brought this up, actually. I'm
glad you said that too. So if you
guys don't remember, I've and this is such
an important point. Here's what he's talking about.
This is the Baaba Mandeb Strait, and this
is largely why the Yemen I think the
Yemen
Invasion occupation is happening, and then this is
the Strait Of Hormuz on the other side
of the landmass. Keep going. Yeah. So you
you're in these maritime choke points where you
you force the traffic through a very tight,
little,
narrow pathway. And as long as you're good,
as long as you have no political attention
with anybody and it you're you're then those
stay open.
And but you but I don't think that
you need to physically mind them so much
as just tell people certain ships are allowed
to go through our gang territory and certain
ships aren't. And if you're flying your flag
in our in our, through our turf, our
neighborhood,
we're gonna we're gonna light you up. And
if you have a problem with that, then
you shouldn't have come through. And and and
that
that I think they can
then then they can negotiate
country by country specific instead of closing it
down to everybody. Why not leave it open
and say, you haven't been a problem with
us. You can go through. You allow you,
Bahrain, put an American base there. You're not
getting any of your stuff through.
Sorry.
Unless unless unless
maybe now we say
all of you Gulf Arab states that have
have American bases, we'll make you a deal.
We'll allow you safe passage through here, but
you gotta close all those bases. You gotta
get everybody out. Or just not engage in
the ongoing war. Like, that was the last
statement. Right? Just Obama's anymore. Don't allow them
to bomb us for your countries, and we'll
stop bombing you. That, of course, Trump very
embarrassingly called a surrender, which no but I
mean, everyone can see that's not what happened.
So that that shows desperation to me. I
don't know how else you frame that. You
know? But so this is what's so important
to me about this, and I keep bringing
this up, is that, you know, exactly what
you said. I think that is what I
think this is the the the calculus. Like,
they're they're thinking, we can't shut this down
legitimately
because
everybody would mad at us, literally everybody, including
the the the flirting with the oil price
discussion and the world economy, you know? And
so what effectively threats, which has which has
happened, will bomb the ships that go through
or at the very least that's what The
US media frames as the way that they've
said it. And same thing saying that they're
going to, you know, basically threats of shutting
it down. And immediately, you got this entirely,
like, all the western press, all the mainstream
alternative media that straight up her moves has
been shut. And I said, well, hold on.
You know? So it was like, but I
it's live map. It's clearly not shut. You
know? Look at all the traffic, which is
way more traffic today than it was yesterday.
And on top of that, this is what
I thought was interesting too. But it it
makes more sense when you look at the,
because on the other side of the the
the water area, this is a US ship
right here, USS Michael Murphy. But it's way
over here on this side. So, technically, behind
this gray line, that's the that's the Iranian,
you know, reg regional waters. And it but
it, you know, overlaps pretty clearly right there.
But so my point though is that either
way, if it's not shut down, then it's
what you think or what you said, I
argue. Let me get this back to where
it was. Hold on.
Because that means that, clearly,
it's about trying to allow it to continue,
but while while only hurting the people who
are effectively against them, which makes sense is
why they would wanna frame this as them
shutting it down for everybody. So it's always
like this. So which is back to the
point why I I want I'm starting to
feel that it's more likely that they haven't
put minds out there, but like you said,
either threatened it and didn't do it or,
ultimately, that's just something they made up, which
is why Trump said it weirdly. And then
the next, like, less than twenty four hours
later, there's reports from The US media claiming
it's already happening. Just my thought. And it's
just as likely that they put minds out
there because of what they drove them to
do, but it's an interesting point. Right? And
I think this then carries
carries over into the oil part of this
conversation. But do you have any thoughts on
just the the, you know, discussion of the
the waterways and, you know, what that might
do? They they've got them they also have
to sort of be mindful of their relationship
with the other BRICS nations and what's going
on there. And and if you're if you're
shutting off that whole thing, you're not just
impacting
you know? I mean, I get it. It's
a war, and and there it's unusual times,
but but you have to be
mindful that there's
you have partners that will suffer from this
as well, and so they may have a
voice in in how this plays out. And,
of course, they understand what you're up against,
probably even support you
Mhmm. But need to
be careful with this. And and the Trump
messaging is
so disjointed
that it make
it makes you wonder,
is he being erratic on purpose to to
come across as as
as
kind of buffoonish and and
Is it a tactic?
Yeah. Is it a tactic? I'm not I'm
trying I'm not I'm really trying to not
go
12 dimensional chess here with and I and
I have a hard time giving them credit
for things. But what if? It's about
intentionally
trying to be
wishy washy or bad at this, which would
go against every component of his personality, I
admit. But Yeah. What if he just made
a calculation like, I can't stop the war.
But what if I just played it really
poorly?
Well, to what end, though? Flesh it out.
What what would you what would you think
that would be in it? How would that
better his stance?
I don't know. What if I was so
bad at this that I got the Israelis
whacked,
and then I got them off my back?
You know what I mean? This is a
cue always narrative. Right? No matter how it's
going, it's all if you end up where
it looks like he somehow hurt Israel, oh,
it all it was all played out to
make that happen. You know? I mean, that
that's where I that's kinda where I'm at
too in a lot of ways. Back to
the point about the threat. Where, I mean,
Rubio came out and said it, basically said
that Israel threatened to nuke Iran. That's why
he claimed it, you know, Israel or rather
Trump had to react. You know, that ultimately,
you can see this position where, you know,
it I mean, it makes sense. And it
like
earlier point about whether it's a level of,
like, removing accountability, yeah, to a degree. But,
as you said, it's still he's there for
a reason. But I I think this is
kind of where we might be where Trump
is realizing
more than maybe he was aware that this
is happening, that hegseth and rubio and whatever
else, that's just a thought that I had,
but then that would change the way he
would engage with this. And so, to your
point, is it likely or possible that he
is sort of going, okay, like, maybe I
can drag this into a certain point to
where that could better my stance and I
can make it look like I stopped this
or whatever or, you know, turn I I
just don't see a world in which that
ever happens where this administration turns on Israel
because you're complicit in far too many things.
I even argue COVID nineteen and that very
much connects. But just the the genocide,
how in the world you can get away
from that whether you blame him or not?
That's you're you're already trapped in that, and
I think they know that. I think that's
now part of the angle with the Epstein,
you know, manipulation. Now they have them with
their involvement in the genocide. You know? And
now now they're almost forcing them to openly
commit the same tactics to lay cover for
what they did the entire time. You know?
But I think it's a valid point to
consider whether Trump may be changing his direction,
and he's capable of that. He showed himself
to be crafty like that, but it also
shows he's lying to you. And that's all
somehow okay in the moment because of the
outcome. It's always a guess anyway. You know?
But Yeah. Very valid point. Yeah. I really
I really always kind of am hesitant to
go down that path of giving Trump any
sort of, like, credit for doing this. But
I do wonder if maybe he was on
board or maybe he was slightly on board
with everything.
But as we get further and further down
with the Gaza situation, we get into this
and, you know, he's outwardly showing support. But
maybe, you know, maybe there's a conversation that
he, Hegzip, and Rubio have of, like,
they're gonna kill us all. They're gonna get
us all. Like, you know what I mean?
Like I don't know what the Rubio statement
was about, kind of. Like, almost giving him
that Like,
you yeah. Like,
it felt a little bit like, oh, oops.
Didn't mean to mention that.
Right. You know,
that we we did that on
so I wonder
how I wonder what percentage
the Trump's, Hegset, and Rubios of the world
are willing
willing participants or hostages at this point. I
don't know. Or like you said earlier, sort
of a middle ground of both where they
wouldn't be in that position if they didn't
already believe in these things. But even they
have their own ambition. Even they you know,
like, this is the point about Trump, and
we both agree. I don't I don't see
I see it would have to be some
very, very, very tough situation for Trump to
decide
to make himself look stupid, to make himself
look like the weak played one in the
conversation.
I don't I think I would even borderline
argue he's not capable of that. I know.
It goes against this entire person that parties
to do something like that. If it's like,
we're all gonna die, you know, maybe. Yeah.
You know, it's like you could see a
world that might happen. And so I think
we we're we're both talking about this as
you should consider these points. Because either way,
and this is where I'm hoping most Americans
are getting to, what does it show you?
Ever this is why I was so interested
in that point because no matter how you
read it, everyone's essentially now telling you Israel
is influencing this government. Right? Like, to a
degree you can't ignore. If ultimately the the
excuse to get Trump out of responsibility is,
well, Israel sort of pressured him, it's like,
well, thank you. Fine. I'll even let him
get out of the accountability in that moment
to be able to make as long as
everybody could acknowledge that Israel is influencing, if
not manipulating, if not controlling
US policy. You know? It's weird how close
and obvious we get to that point and
we like, the the mainstream nature alternative just
cannot allow that to be acknowledged, and I
think we know why that is. And it
doesn't have to do solely with Jewish people
if that's what you're thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Wild.
How I mean, isn't it an interesting time?
How I mean, just October 7 forward, I
mean, the whole world has changed.
Well, I made that point during my presentation
as well when I put up a picture
of the the
it was a compilation headshots of all the
major media
Mhmm. The high high ranking members of of
each of the five major media corporations with
the blue Jewish stars over all of their
faces. It's like you know, and I said
in the presentation,
if they were Catholics,
I'd say they were Catholics. If they were
Aztecs, I'd say they were Aztecs. Right. Right.
There's no Aztecs on that list there. Right?
And so so at the bare minimum,
we have the potential for a problem.
Yeah. Well, I mean and and, of course,
even if your point taken well is that
it's any one over representation of anything, it's
worth considering that point. But I would add
that, remember, the star of David is not
a Jewish symbol. That's a Zionist symbol. The
the the the menorah is the actual Jewish
symbol, and and orthodox Jews will tell you
that. So it's just important to consider both
of those angles. But you're right, regardless. If
it was all a bunch of, you know,
Chinese nationals, that would worry me. If it
was all a bunch of, you know I
mean, anything, religions, nationality. Like, the point is
that we can see influence
in every I mean, and it's not even
necessarily always nefarious. Right? Like, you can talk
about, you know, you have Muslims in a
certain area. They wanna influence that, you know,
that make make their area more like they
like. Christians do the same thing, so do
Jews. It should or specifically nationalities. We know
this happens, but we should be aware and
able to call out any of them if
it's something that is illegal, something that is
immoral, something that we disagree with. Of course.
You know? It's just weird how, obviously, one
angle of that has been so weaponized to
the point to where this is so interesting.
One, it started where you're not allowed to
talk about it, but now and I think
this is the Zionist agenda. It's causing people
who are otherwise good intentioned to actually make
the connection to feel like, oh, it turns
out it is the Jews doing all of
this. You know what I mean? Like, they've
created that drive. That's why they do that.
That's why I think that's so important to
jump in there and always make that point
because there's so many peep there's people that
are, honestly, who, you know, have good intentions
who have fallen for that. I see it
every day. And, of course, I could be
wrong too. You know? Yeah. No. But if
you allow them to convince you that all
Jews are bad, you're falling into their trap.
Right? You you're you're you're walking into the
trap where you say, see, we're just persecuted
for no good reason. It's like, no. You
have to be you have to be consistent
in your criticism. You have to give credit
when it's due, and you have to be
critical when it's due as well. And it's
it's just it's just I think people are
starting to recognize the Voltaire quote when they
they look around and they recognize that there's,
there's one group that you aren't actually allowed
to criticize. Isn't that interesting? And maybe maybe
they do have some undue influence. And if
they do, then we should have the discussion
about it. But since we're not allowed to,
they tell us we're not allowed to, we're
we're having the discussion regardless. But
that is kind of a bigger problem. Wait.
Wait a second. So it's a problem that
you're doing this, but now it's another problem
that you were not allowed to talk about
that you're doing this because that's now compounded.
So can we are we not talking about
if the Muslims do it? Oh, no. That'll
be front page headline. So I see. So
so now it's
inconsistent in how you know, so we can't
talk about you guys doing it, but if
you see coordination,
from this other ethnic group, well, then, yeah,
you gotta mention them, but just don't mention
those who cannot be named. So it it's
the the tide is turning, and, of course,
you and I are probably
thinking the same thing.
Are we walking into a trap? Because there's
never been a time when you're allowed to
talk about this stuff so freely and have
these right you know, these criticisms of them,
and
and and I wonder, alright. So
are they just using this as an opportunity
to get us all out in the open
on
camera? That's always a valid point if you
may, but I hear this point
every time things like this happen. Remember when
the cannabis was a huge like, you know,
and it still weirdly kinda stalled. It's not
even it's everything's so crazy. But, you know,
there was a momentum, and all the most
states are now legalizing. And everyone, everybody, because
this is where my, you know, T Lab
really kind of rooted in starting was the
cannabis law reform discussion. I was like, oh,
you guys are falling for it. They're just
not they're just making a list and everybody
who who what smokes cannabis
is gonna round you all up. People were
making that argument, you know, and it's yeah.
I said then, I guess it's possible, but,
you know, one, there's plenty of other ways.
You know, same point. So I argue it's
worth considering that, but to what end? You
know what I mean? Like, to what to
what? To to censor us, start doing that,
you know, to to round us out. Well,
that can happen regardless, you know, but consider
it. Right? Consider whether that there but I
would argue regardless,
we always and I said this during the
self censorship rise in the independent media. I
I I I took censorship head on. I'm
I I've allowed them to censor me because
I was unwilling
to self censor. I'm gonna say the words,
what I mean. You know? I'm not gonna
say, you know, whatever, the boop boop or
whatever, you know, which I understand, though. Like,
I get why that some people chose that
route, and maybe they were the right maybe
that was the right path. But I just
I think it's important to air on that
side and everywhere. That's my point about fire
in a theater. It's like whatever it is,
we need to we need to draw that
line as hard on, you know, in in
the principle as opposed to letting the the
even if it's logical, drive us away from
what we know the principle is. You know?
And that's just everything everywhere I see right
now is doing that to everybody in this
country, drifting you away from believing in the
constitution, drifting away from believing in law, from
believing in what's moral. You know? Hit them
while they're down. Right? I don't want a
fair fight. These are things we're hearing from
our administration. You know? It's Yeah. It's pretty
sad.
Yeah. It's a it's a
don't allow them to demoralize you as well.
You know? There's a there's a lot of
this going on. I mean, if they if
they can get you to throw your hands
up in the air and say, I just
give up. I submit. I just Yep. Tell
me what to do. Do you want me
to take the shot? Do you want me
to stand on the dot or go this
direction down the just make it all stop.
You know, that's the they're almost kinda counting
on you
getting to a point where you
where you give up. And and and we
can't do that, of course. That's,
it's our duty and obligation to to
to remain
strong in the in the face of this
insanity and to,
and to never compromise ourselves. I think the
most devious form of censorship
is self censorship. I agree. You can never
measure that. You can't quantify it. It does
something to you when you know that you
wanted to say something, but you didn't. You
held back. Like a lot of people. It
then once you do it once, you can
do it again easier and again and again.
And then the next thing you know, you're
just not being honest with anybody about who
you are or what you think. And and
then what is the point?
You know, what's the point? You're gonna just
sit in your pod and suck your thumb
and wait for the government to tell you
when you can come out or be happy?
I mean, I just
these are very flawed human beings that are
trying to tell us how to behave and
how to act in this world, and I
just I just have no respect for them.
So I don't know why the rest of
us just don't just stand up
and and tell him, you know, we're not
gonna take
moral authority from the likes of the people
in Washington, DC, which is not gonna do
it. Exactly. I mean and that's that's even
coming out in mainstream, for crying out loud,
which never means honesty to me. It just
means that it's that obvious that they have
to somewhat address it. But, you know, the
the standing of the US government in the
world, you know, what right do you have?
I saw that in the in the Pentagon
briefing. Like, where do you have to to
speak to anybody about morality when you the
girl school bombing or, you know, whatever else
it is. They can deny all day that
the world is aware. You know? It's it
doesn't go away anymore, and I'm glad to
see that. I do think this is emblematic
of you know, we're seeing change.
Whether grudgingly or or feigned or not, it
is happening. And I just think that's worth
pointing out is that we have been censored
and, you know, sidelined and suppressed. And, you
know, now with AI and algorithms and financial
attacks and lawsuits, and, I mean, all of
us. And yet, we're still making this happen
as all of it. Independent media, it's like
I say it all the time. That's a
win, guys. Take it for what it is.
And we this fight's never gonna be over.
Probably never, but that's definitely a win. Yeah.
I'll I'll, I'll end with a couple of
points I saw here, and we can, you
know, kind of discuss on where we think
this will go. But, this one of these,
all I can show them real quick, just
breaking breaking news stuff. This one was reported
earlier that Iran like we were discussing, Iran's
military warned that any ships belonging to The
US, Israel, or their allies passing through the
strait could be targeted. So you're right. I
mean, it's explicit now just coming out of
the gate and saying it. There was reports
now that a projectile hit a cargo ship.
So here we go again. Right? So is
this Bolton's limpet mines? Are we are they
faking this again? Or did Iran find a
reason to attack them? I mean, both are
very possible. You know? But I think it's
interesting after they after they stressed
the the the mine laying conversation and they're
now in in the area. Right?
And I think, lastly, just I think it's
interesting,
reports of Iran Iran's military says it will
hit economic targets. Banks, which, by the way,
are a crime. That's a that's a war
crime. It no matter who's doing it. Those
are non military targets. Right? And then this
one says, Iran announces the facilities associated with
major US technology companies. That's very relevant. Like
Mhmm. Amazon, Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Palantir, maybe targeted.
That's their AI agenda. And it says Iran
says they are switching from reciprocal hits to
continuous strikes because, you know, they're responding, which
is what they've been doing since they were
attacked in the first place. And now they're
saying, you know what? They're they're not stopping.
They have no legal justification. So we're we're
switching into full, you know, so I don't
think anyone has declared war essentially, but this
is now more than ever a direct back
and forth, you know, you know, war. But
what I think to end with is interesting
is, you know, all of this military targets,
you know, the banks. This none of this
was happening before they initiated this and they
started targeting civilian locations. They'll lie all day
about what Iran willing to do. The evidence
is not there. Look around the world. However,
we have the evidence of what Israel's doing
and what The US has always done. And
hey Hakseth can yet again say, we'll never
target civilians, and you could bring up the
100,000 articles of them getting caught targeting civilians
and then in some cases, admitting it, whether
mistakes or target whatever. And so what I
wanna point out to end is that they've
driven this year. Right? So whether banks get
targeted or or, you know, Palantir, whatever it
is, the US government in Israel have literally
driven this into a reality into reality with
their
unquestionably illegal actions. We didn't touch on it
today, but
War Powers Act hasn't been met. It wasn't
imminent. Trump said it himself. There's no congressional
authority
or approval, and there's no authorization. So it's
like no matter how you spin this, this
is a a crime that's taking place, but
no different than every other government administration in
our past. So I just wanted your thoughts
on where you think that's gonna go. You
know? Do you think this is going to,
you know, like like we said, maybe Trump's
seeing it. Does he try to pull back?
Is this gonna stall out in some way?
Or do you think this just literally goes
where it seems it's gonna go? It's pretty
it's pretty alarming, you know, from whatever way
you look at this.
It's so funny that you'll you'll find most
of the Americans
cheering on the destruction of
AI data centers from Microsoft and Amazon and
Oracle and all it's like, oh, would you
like us to tell you where they are?
We'll get you a map. We'll draw a
map for you so make sure, you know,
you don't miss. This this is where we've
we've be become. You know? And and Trump
has nobody to blame.
Mhmm. He he's a second day, and he
had Larry Ellison and Sam Altman standing there
next to him pledging half $1,000,000,000,000
to give to those guys. I don't blame
the Iranians for thinking we need to target
these tech centers as well because
you would be right to. And the banking
the banks as well. I mean, look. If
if if the Israelis are gonna launch missiles
or the Americans, I don't know who did
it, and blow up a 100 plus
schoolchildren,
then I have no problem with Tehran taking
out a couple banks.
Well, I mean, I I I get your
point, but I think what I what I
what I'll continue to argue, and I'll include
the school are showing that as well, you
know, is that I I I understand completely
the justification in their mind for doing it.
Right? And I I argue I argue, mark
my words, that I don't believe that they
will bomb a school or a hospital
by watch. I doubt it'll happen. But banks
and and technology, those are still war crimes
regardless. And they would say the same when
The US is targeting theirs. So I hope
that line doesn't get crossed because they could
take a stance that would show that they're
not falling at that level. But if they
do, you know, do you think The US
I mean, look, I don't need to ask
the question. They're already doing it. The US
and Israel do it every single time. So
it's justified in their mind, but I I
hope that line doesn't get crossed because that
that like, that's what we talk about with
what we're doing every day in this field.
Right? Like or whatever we discussed. You fall
to that level, you're the same thing. Regardless
of how you got driven there, you are
the same thing. And I think that's an
important lesson for all of this. You know?
Don't lie because they do. Don't fall to
that level. Integrity, principles is important. But, you
know, I think that where it's where it
may go. I I mean, that may be
where they feel like they have to go.
And, again, that will be the responsibility of
the people who started this illegally. That's my
question is, yes, you're right. The
you in order it it to do the
things
that the Israelis and the Americans do, you
would be lowering yourself to their level.
Right. But
maybe Iran has made a calculation that this
is the only way those people will respond.
Maybe We have to. Like,
we
can't negotiate with them. You you wanna you
you wanna get their attention, do the things
to them that they do to you. Maybe
not schools because I agree with you. They're
that's not their style.
And I don't think that America that the
American or Israelis would care if you bomb
their schools as much as if you bomb
their AI centers. Probably. Yeah. And so exact
oh, that's actually a nice point. Right? So
that's the that's the chosen line to cross
because of how much that's clearly important to
them or even just the threat may actually
change action. Right? But, you know, it it's
just it's such a horrible reality because it's
something that is being driven into reality and
they may, like you said, believe that this
is the only path. I would still call
it a war crime no matter what. But
I I genuinely hope we don't get to
that that that that line being crossed. But,
you know, I I believe that right now
that's being all of this is being driven
because of this ideological push. And I think
Iran very much sees that. And so, you
understand the, you know, even like the Samson
option element. You know know what I mean?
Like, these are things that they're this is
you know, how do you respond to that?
What do you do knowing that that line
is crossable for them? And that's what worries
me is this may become like the like
you said, that, well, you know, the logic
then becomes that we have to take irrational
action. Otherwise, we will end up being removed.
And it's like, you know and, again, I
this needs to be repeated. Like, that only
exists because of what's been driven by these
people claiming they're fighting for freedom and liberty.
You know, if you who knows? Maybe Iran
was the one that or maybe they have
this mindset of the radical, but there's no
evidence of that. The world does not show
that. Their actions do not show that. So
the only what we're thing we're left with
is looking at what the people claiming good
or have been doing the entire time, and
it proves who they actually are. You know?
So as always, people need to stand up,
call this out, you know, take the effort
to
show it to other people. Right? Do what
actions you think makes difference. You wanna protest.
You wanna call your your congressman. Do it
all. Right? But do something. Right? What what
do you think people should do, Charlie? What
do you think is the, you know, conscientious
objector conversation? There's a lot of stuff that's
been going on. You know, Mike Preisner, people
saying they don't wanna go. You know, like,
what what do you think people should be
doing? Well, I saw in Israel that, a
lot of people at Ben Gurion Airport were
opting for the Samsonite option.
Mhmm. Well, and what's this? The Samsonite option,
which is getting on an airplane, getting the
hell out of there. That's what they were
doing.
They they were they were they were leaving.
I think for Americans,
I mean, the this would be such a
deeply unpopular war.
The idea of a draft. I no. I
was
freshman in college
in January
when they did the
our the first Gulf War, and that was
a question that everyone was asking. Sure. Are
we gonna get drafted into this? Is there
gonna be a war? And and and so
that was a real conversation that was being
had by people my age when I was
in college.
It didn't wind up happening, of course. If
something like that were to be rolled out
now
in an era of social media,
in an era in a post Pat Tillman
world,
good luck. Good luck trying to do that.
We would be
we would be I would I would be
working
twenty hours a day trying to do everything
I could to throw a monkey wrench in
that plan. Mhmm.
You know? To to the idea of of
of suckering in a bunch of 18 and
19 year olds who don't know any better
to go die for Israel in
in Iran.
Mhmm.
Deeply unpopular. I I I think that might
be the end of
the Trump administration if you tried to roll
that. Maybe. I mean, maybe, like, it would
be so unpopular that the right and left
join together
in opposition of that. You can imagine that.
At a mafia point, right, where that's self
regulation, where they recognize that Trump or whatever
they're doing is is exposing the game for
everybody. And that's how that tends to work.
Right? So they go, we gotta get him
out of here, and we can go back
to playing the same game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a it's a it's a it's
an important time to be paying attention and
and to not get
suckered into these emotional responses to things, especially
with the mainstream media. They want you to
feel a certain way. They want you to
hate certain people.
They want you to think that, you know,
they want you to be inconsistent in your
beliefs and bombing. When we do it, it's
fine. It's spreading freedom and democracy. When they
do it, it's terrorism.
And if they can get you to into
that
frame of mind where you're where it's us
versus them, then then they've got you. You
know? And and I think it's just so
important for us to to
pull back,
to try and take a look at the
big picture, get good information, you know, and
and and not be so reactive. I I
know that there's a tendency, especially in America.
America, you know, let's get on there before
they get us here. And I worry about
a false flag, of course. So we worry
about this sleeper cells thing that they're they're
pitching.
You know?
So so and what would that look like?
Well, it would
you know,
what if they tried that and it and
it backfired and everybody immediately went Israel did
it, and and on social media, it was
just such a dud that they couldn't roll
that out anymore. I mean, maybe maybe that
yeah. And and that is that those sorts
of things have happened recently too. Yeah. So
we're getting to the point where they are
the boys who cried wolf,
and people just aren't really paying attention anymore,
and that's good. That's a that's a that's
a that's a better place for us to
be now than 2005
when the Iraq war sales pitch was happening.
And you all you had to do is
be the Dixie Chicks and say, you know,
shoot. We should give this a second thought.
And it's like, out.
Vanished from the country. Have to change your
name. Do all that. You know? So,
you know, this this is sort of where
we are. I just hope people will will
take a moment and not be reactive and
and and understand that there's propaganda on both
sides, you You know, both sides propagate. Right.
And and and to be mindful of that
and not be reactive because they're gonna get
you emotional and because you'll
you know, because then they can get you
to act a certain way. Yeah. Right. Because
CircumMed's logic. They know that. You know? But
and to your point about they they're not
paying attention. And I know what you meant.
I but I would I would frame it
differently. It's they're paying more attention than ever.
They're just not paying attention to the people
that are proven liars over the years. Right?
You know? And I I even argue that
we should be watching and considering everything we
can, but question it all, right? Vet it
all. Question if you can't verify it, you
put it to the side but I think
that's what's happening. I think more people than
ever
are asking questions that they've never thought were
even, like, didn't even realize existed. You know,
like, this is truly starting to evolve in
a way. And I think we've been here
to a a smaller degree more than once.
And it's it's our opportunity. It's our obligation
to do something, to try to take advantage
of this change, especially since it's so clear
that none of us like what's going on.
None of us like this. It's like if
if we're literally every time talking about the
lesser of evils, how do we not realize
where we are? You know? It's like, let's
we can genuinely change this, and I think
that's finally
becoming clear to people that it's not just
pick the other side, but, you know, how
do we re how do we evolve or
literally rebuild or build something new? You know?
Like, it's important that we start asking these
questions. We're gonna have a great conversation a
month from now. I can tell you.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or hopefully sooner. I mean,
we should, you know, like, just if there's
something crazy going on, we'll jump on and
talk about it, man. But I I always
appreciate our conversations, brother. It's just important to
be able to flesh these thoughts out, you
know, just just have a dialogue and and
think it through because a lot of this
stuff is you know, as always, you know,
you you adding new things to to to
my thoughts and vice versa. And hopefully, we
do that for everybody out there, you know,
because some of this stuff really is ridiculous.
And, you know, until you put a fine
point on it, until you openly say it
out loud, some people don't really see it
or put it together, myself included, You know?
I've had conversations with you where I go,
you know what? And then, you know, and
then I go do a show, and it's
talking about something you and I discussed. You
know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're all we're
all helping each other. Nobody has it all
figured out. That and that's the beauty of
it. I mean, it's a big jigsaw puzzle,
and you bring a piece and I bring
a piece. And
after a while, it starts to take shape,
and we we start to to to to
see the the, you know, what's out there.
But,
I'm I'm just I'm glad that,
I'm glad that people are starting to ask
some questions now. Yeah. I I I I
would agree with you that maybe they're not
paying attention to the mainstream media anymore, but
they are
paying attention. Maybe it's just as simple as
getting lied to. That's what did it to
me. I got lied to so much by
the media that it it infuriated me. I
just wanted to go out there and prove
them wrong. And now, you know,
went from despising the media to now being
a part of it with activist vote. But
I I suppose that's that's sort of how
it goes. Right? I I I wanted to
prove them wrong so badly that I'm like,
this is how you do it the right
way. Right. Right. You wanna prove them so
so wrong so badly that you go out
and do it every day. Yeah. Every day.
Every single day, we get to do I
I know I frankly enjoy it. I like
I you know, I'm I'm at a point
where we are in real time watching people
whether mainstream alternative or mainstream
get seen for what they really are. There
is a level of enjoyment there because they
deserve it. You know? And I think that
accountability is is nice to see, and, hopefully,
we can get more of that. So Yeah.
Charlie, always a pleasure, brother. Thank you for
being here. And as always, I'll bring out
their question, everything. Come to your own conclusions.
Stay vigilant.
I frankly think that crisis initiation is really
tough,
and it's very hard for me to see
how The United States,
president can get us to war with Iran.
Which leads me to conclude that if, in
fact, compromise is not coming,
that the traditional way of America gets to
war is what would be best for US
interests.
Some people might think that mister Roosevelt wanted
to get us into World War two as
David mentioned. You may recall we had to
wait for Pearl Harbor.
Some people might think mister Wilson wanted to
get us into World War one. You may
recall he had to wait for the Lusitania
episode.
Some people might think that mister Johnson wanted
to send troops to Vietnam. You may recall
he had to wait for the Gulf Of
Tonkin episode.
We didn't go to war with Spain until
the USS,
until the Maine exploded.
And may I point out that mister Lincoln
did not feel he could call out the
Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which
is why he ordered the commander at Fort
Sumter to do exactly that thing, which the
South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.
So, if in fact, the Iranians aren't gonna
compromise,
it would be best if somebody else started
the war.
But I would just like to suggest that,
one can combine other means of pressure with
sanctions.
I mentioned that explosion
on August 17.
We could step up the pressure.
I mean, look, people, Iranian submarines periodically go
down. Someday, one of them might not come
up. Who would know why?
We can do a variety of things if
we wish to increase the pressure. I'm not
advocating that, but I'm just suggesting
that, it it it it's this this is
not a a either or proposition of, you
know, it's just sanctions has to has to
succeed or other things.
We are in the game
of using covert means against the Iranians.
We we could get nastier at that.