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We're joining forces to defeat government corruption, restore

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free speech, and make America healthy again. We're

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gonna make America healthy again, you know?

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We're a nation that

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is not doing well in a lot of

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ways and we're not doing so well with

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health, but we're gonna solve a lot of

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those problems I think over the next short

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period of time. A lot of it's common.

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A lot of that's common sense too. It's

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all common sense when you get right down

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to it. But we're gonna get toxic

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chemicals out of our environment and we're gonna

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get them out of our food supply. We're

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gonna get them out of our bodies.

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We'll get them out of our body. Right?

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Welcome to The Last American Vagabond. Joining me

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today once again is Stephanie Sneff, PhD, to

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discuss

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glyphosate

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and the very frustrating and confusing for some

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executive order from Donald Trump. There he was

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talking about getting that dangerous stuff out of

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our food. And we've seen a lot of

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these moments where

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maybe it wasn't good intention. It's hard to

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say where things were stated, directions were set

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that that are not being kept. And glyphosate

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being the earliest example or the latest example

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of a lot of those,

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like turning back on the food dye discussion.

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So, Stephanie Sineff here to discuss it, probably

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the best person out there to discuss glyphosate

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to set the table for where we are

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today. So, Stephanie, how are you? Thank you

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for joining me again today. I'm great. Thanks

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for having me.

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As I said, you know, right when I

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saw that, you were the first person I

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thought of. I said, we have to get

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around to talk about the alarming reality of

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this. So, you know, that was Trump back

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in, I believe, 2024,

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bleeding into and, you know, and he's had

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a lot of those same statements up until,

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as well. And so, as we said, he

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recently rolled out this executive order. So, we

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can start with this and, you know, just

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give me your thoughts on this, what, you

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know, for for somebody who's done the work

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you have. And, you know, I I imagine

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my audience is very familiar with your work

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from our interview, from past, you know, just

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knowing your work in general, but feel free

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to to, introduce yourself and let us know

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what your work has been on glyphosate. But

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then, you know, let me know what you

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thought about this when you saw it, and

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Okay. Yeah. It's been a really interesting story

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with glyphosate over the past a year.

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All the effort of Bayer,

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at the national level and at the state

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level, multiple states, they're trying to get laws

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passed that would give glyphosate

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a get out of jail free card like

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the vaccines have. I mean, that is just,

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like, really scary to say. You've gotten on

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Hopkins lymphoma. Glyphosate is the only chemical you

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were exposed to. But too bad for you,

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you can't do it. I mean, that would

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be really devastating, and and that's where the

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Beyer has put tremendous pressure

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on the legislators at all the levels and

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even above the country level. You know, they're

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really working hard to to keep glyphosate on

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the market. And they recognize that if

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they don't get this protection,

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they're going to go bankrupt on the lawsuits

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because there's just so many now. And

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the big one, you know, Dwayne Lee Johnson

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so vividly when that happened. I was so

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astonished that it actually worked, that he got

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that the jury trial ended up with a

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big sum of money for his non Hodgkin's

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lymphoma. And that opened the door and then

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it's just been a floodgate.

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that It really was a really important point

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in history,

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and it's the beginning of the end for

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glyphosate. I have no doubt that it will

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eventually be banned worldwide. I have no doubt

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because I see how toxic it is. And

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it's not just cancer. And as as you

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that glyphosate is causal in. And I think

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it's the primary cause

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of the epidemic that we're seeing in, basically,

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metabolic dysfunction,

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which then connects to all these diseases that

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are going up. You know, we have such

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a terrible record in health care. We spend

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in this country, so obese, you know, diabetes,

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fatty liver disease, all these problems. And of

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course, autism is a big one for me.

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I believe if we got rid of glyphosate

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and didn't replace it, by the way, with

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other toxic herbicides that's the key thing. We

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can't just substitute something else.

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to grow food naturally

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without using toxic chemicals. It makes no sense

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to me that you would pour toxic chemicals

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all over the food supply. You know? It

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just makes no sense whatsoever. And so I

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don't understand how we've

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managed to keep this going all this time.

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revolution in food in in growing food. Couldn't

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agree more. Couldn't agree more. And, you know,

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I it that's it. We should we're let's

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touch on we're gonna get to the health

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part of this, and and that's a good

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point you made there that it can't just

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be, you know, it can't just be swapped

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out with something. Even if it's lesser than,

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it is still in the same beta problem.

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maybe we can get into what you think

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they may replace it with when that comes.

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to the executive order, Yes. So you made

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a interesting point about lawsuits, and I agree.

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most people that pay attention to this because

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Monsanto and now Bayer Monsanto have been fighting

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this for a long time that the lawsuits

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will bury them because there are hundreds of

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thousands of them. But let me give me

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your opinion on if you think there's an

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element of Trump's executive order, not just for

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just to make it clear for those who

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didn't read it, we're talking about not only,

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trying to pivot to have, like, more production

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in The United States, also making it a

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national defense imperative.

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any discernible way, but leaning into it, support.

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the Bondi and the DOJ with and giving

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them immunity to prosecution.

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this is also worried that they may face

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lawsuits because of their involvement with all this?

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his point about China. And, actually, he's been

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pretty consistent about looking at,

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things that we depend on China for. You

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know, the the, air metals, for example. Right.

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Serious problem. And so he's looking at,

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what do we depend on China for,

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and how can we get rid of that

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dependence? And I think he really focuses on

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that. And I think it's an important point.

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You know, why and especially with toxic chemicals

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being put on our food, You could imagine

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I mean, glyphosate is toxic all by itself.

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arsenic in there. I mean, they could do

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whatever. Right? And they would it's like the

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opioid problem in China in reverse. You know?

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China can poison us this way if they

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choose to. Not saying that they do.

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withdraw it, which would be wonderful for me

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if they stop selling it to us.

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forcing function that would be wonderful as far

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he's looking at all the things that we

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critically depend on China for, and he wants

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us to lose that dependence. And that's the

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that's, I think, the way he's thinking of

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it. So we need to make our own

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glyphosate. And, of course, we're gonna have problems

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with the people who live near the place

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where they're making the glyphosate, glyphosate, I suspect,

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because that's gonna cause toxicity locally for them.

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making sure we have enough phosphorus.

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phosphate,

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fertilizers that they put on the crops.

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is important. Right? Because this is in my

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opinion, come coming from a nonpartisan kinda look

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at this, both sides of the paradigm will

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often use things that we want in order

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to trick us into or manipulate us into

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or, you know, however you look at it

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into something that they ultimately want. And so

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in this case, there's a valid point you

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made about the over dependence on this, the

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interesting point about the foreign policy overlap, and

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that and the point you made well there.

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as the reality that this was the right

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direction to lean further into it? Just Obviously,

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I wouldn't think that way. I mean, my

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thought would be, okay. We don't want this

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glyphosate from China. Let's figure out how we

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can grow food without glyphosate. Right? That would

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be the logical thing to do, in my

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opinion. Now I suspect that the farmers are

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they can't grow food without glyphosate. They've become

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so dependent on it that they think they

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can't grow food without glyphosate, which is really

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crazy because

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you did that for so many millions of

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years. You know? Right. Right. Right. So you

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said they think. Right? So do you think

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do you in your opinion, do you think

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that they're manipulated in the mindset of that?

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of it right now if you wanna get

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into that, and I do wanna touch on

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it at some point today, the the lie

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I think about the yield part. Or do

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you think it's that they're being threatened? Not

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necessarily violence, but, you know, coercive measures that

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they have to. Otherwise, they'll lose certain allowances

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or permits or whatever if they don't use

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it. And so that's sort of, like, why

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they demand but or not so much demanding

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it, but saying, well, we're forced in this.

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think that they would otherwise go a different

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direction in your opinion?

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a a a movie about a small town

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where they grew tobacco.

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company that they were selling to? They required

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that they use glyphosate on the tobacco. Right.

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had a lot of kids that were very

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sick. And that was a really interesting film

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that I watched. And there may be some

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of that going on here.

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That whole GMO system kinda you get locked

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in once you get started with it. Right.

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And the glyphosate is wreck is wrecking the

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soil

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and the soil bacteria and that it's decreasing.

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Initially, when they first

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came up with the GMO crops, they got

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really good improvement in yield the first couple

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of years. So they were very excited. They

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bought into it. And once they're in that

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machinery of buying the GMO Roundup Ready crops

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and then buying the glyphosate to to put

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on them, they kind of get stuck in

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a in a situation where they don't know

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how to get out of it. You know?

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And of course, their their their soil is

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now contaminated with glyphosate. Another study from Brazil

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looked at the levels of glyphosate in the

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soil year by year in a in a

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crop where they were using glyphosate to control

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the weeds, and they found that every year

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there was more glyphosate. So it wasn't going

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away. It was really just accumulating in the

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soil.

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And, of course, the glyphosate then kills the

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soil bacteria,

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and you get a dysbiosis in the soil

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just as you do in the gut. And

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then it also chelates the minerals, so, you

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know, you don't have enough,

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mineral supply. It it disrupts the ability of

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the minerals to get into the plants, which

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means the plants become mineral deficient, and you

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become mineral deficient when you eat those plants.

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There's a lot of things wrong

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that go wrong with that whole system.

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And eventually and also the the plant is

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much more susceptible to drought. You know, Don

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Huber has shown pictures of organic farm next

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to nonorganic farm, and the organic farm is

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all green and the nonorganic is all, you

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know,

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what color would it be?

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Dried out.

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So

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very obvious that the, the glyphosate is a

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desiccant. They use it as a desiccant. That's

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one way in which it gets

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into the food supply. With non GMO crops

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like wheat, I mean, there's there's actually more

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glyphosate

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on many of the non GMO crops than

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there are on the GMO crops. So it's

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not good enough to buy non GMO if

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you're trying to get rid of glyphosate.

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Right. Right. And and, you know, you you

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touch on the Roundup Ready. For those that

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might not be familiar, this is actually interesting

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to me. Because of how popular that topic

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was or just, you know, discussed, it was

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very, very mainstream. It was very, you know,

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the the the debate and everything about it.

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It's interesting to me how little it seems

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people remember

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that glyphosate became a conversation point again, and

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people seem to forget what that meant. So

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if you could just briefly give people the

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understanding of what it means, the Roundup Ready

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dynamic, and why, you know, what needs to

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be done to the plant and, you know,

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not necessarily getting into all the science, but

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just so they understand what that means and

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why they're sort of reliant on it.

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Well, what happened was they discovered this, microbe

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that was able to resist glyphosate was was,

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not susceptible to glyphosate toxicity. There's this one

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enzyme called EPSP synthase

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that glyphosate famously disrupts, and it's critical enzyme

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in plants. It's also a critical enzyme in

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many of the bacteria in our gut, which

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is an important point because that's how we

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get started with glyphosate toxicity.

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And so,

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where was I going with that?

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The the Roundup Ready dynamic and how it

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Yeah. So they came up with this idea

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of putting that gene into the into the

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crops, and they did that very successfully for

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the core crops. The corn, the soy, the

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canola,

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the sugar beets, and the alfalfa, those are

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the core crops that have this GMO gene

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embedded in the in their DNA.

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That's that's the genetic,

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modification that is the GMO concept. Mhmm. And

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so, and then these crops are expensive. The

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seeds are expensive to buy, and but they

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allow you to pour glyphosate all over the

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crop. It doesn't die. So it makes it

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extremely easy to control your weeds. Right. And

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so you don't have to hire people to

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pull weeds, basically, and that saves you a

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lot of money. So it makes your your

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plant it makes your food cheaper,

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because of that. But it also causes all

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these other problems,

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And the and the soil ends up eroding

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more quickly, and also nitrate fertilizers end up

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spilling off more easily because they're not being

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taken up as readily

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because glyphosate disrupts the microbes that facilitate the

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uptake of the nitrogen into the plant.

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So you get nitrate washing off, and then

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you get lots of problems with the waterways

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because of excess nitrogen. You get that, overgrowth

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of cyanobacteria.

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You get sort of toxic, you know, red

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tide. All that kind of stuff comes out

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of,

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glyphosate

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messing up the soil bacteria.

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Sound

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sounds borderline deliberate to me, but, I mean,

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it's kind of hard to mistakenly make all

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those things happen, it seems. Maybe you you

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would know more than me. But the the,

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desiccate part is something that RK Junior spoke

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about, and this is a clip. I forget

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what year it was, but, you know and

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he's spoken about this his entire thing. On

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this topic for quite some time. Right. Right.

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And he just making it very clear that

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this is the, you know, the not just

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the what you described, the use of it,

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which does have its own clear effects. So

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both the GMO crop and and the studies

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around that, but also what the Roundup is

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doing rather than glyphosate,

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but then spraying it and drenching it in

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order to dry it out that then very

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much more carries over. You know, it's it's

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it's it's very clear that there's a health

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overlap to this, which we can get into,

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but since we touched on the yield. Let

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let's talk about that because I think that's

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one of the huge one of the most

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like, the argument becomes it's it's a necessity

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because of our agriculture, because of our even

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foreign policy. But for the agriculture part, it's

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about the increase of yield that will our

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food supply will will collapse.

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I personally even in in the earliest parts

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of the science, I didn't see how that

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even made sense. And, you know, just I'm

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not an expert, but there's been numerous scientific

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studies, peer reviewed and otherwise, that have come

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out and shown that that's, you know, in

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multiple ways, not actually the reality. So what's

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your opinion on that? Because there are industry

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studies that claim the opposite. So in your

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opinion, does it increase the yield of the

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crops? Well, I think it did the first

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couple of years. They first rolled out the

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GMO crops, but then year by year, the

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yield got lower and lower. And now I

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think that the organics can out compete. In

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terms of yield, they can out compete Right.

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The non organic, approach that that the industrialized

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agricultural approach.

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And and, really, they also force us to

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you know, we ended up having all these

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huge farms with with pure corn. I mean,

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nothing but corn, the whole farm. Monocropping. You

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know? Monocropping is not a good idea. I

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think it's I really like the idea of

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small family farm, and I'd love to see

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those come back. They all got killed.

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The small family farms couldn't compete against those

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huge

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agricultural, you know, industrialized agriculture,

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lots and lots of acres growing lots and

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lots of corn. It just

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is not really the right way to do

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food. You know? We we we need to

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have a lot more variety of crops being

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grown. We need to be eating a lot

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more fresh vegetables and fruits, you know, that

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that come off these small family farms.

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And so we've got this whole processed food

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industry that's based on the corn and soy

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and canola. You've got the oil. The soy

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is the protein. The corn's got the sugar.

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You've got the whole basis of the processed

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food industry there.

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And so people eating all these foods that

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have been, you know and also synthetic,

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flavor enhancers and all this kind of stuff

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so that people, get hooked on these foods

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that are not, at all healthy.

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When you say hooked, do you mean them

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in not just that they get they like,

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but, like, there's an addictive overlap to that

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in your mind? It looks that way. You

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know, people get to where they just,

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the the taste is so because when you

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have the synthetic,

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flavors, that's also an issue because it's just

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it's fooling your taste buds. It's it's not

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anything that's not natural is not good in

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my opinion. I I always look for natural.

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Even when you buy,

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supplements, you don't wanna buy synthetic versions of

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those supplements. You wanna buy natural ones that

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come from some kind of nature source. You

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know? Mhmm. Yeah. No. I agree. And, you

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know, and and one thing that we touched

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on on this in in our our,

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previous interview when when and Danny Mancua joined

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us as well is is the synergistic

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level of this. And so let's get it

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we can get into the health aspects, like

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the the the reason that glyphosate actually hurts

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you in in its in a, you know,

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in its

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alone sense, but then also just how, you

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know, how it functions through all the rest

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of it's being used. But this what I

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found interesting in this conversation was the that

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your argument about how the mRNA vaccination and

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the glyphosate, whether designed or not, were essentially

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working in a synergistic way to hurt your

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body. And so that interestingly came to mind

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with where we're at today in a lot

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of different factors. And I'll I'll point to

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a recent post that you shared, like, its

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onslaught

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on and you could pronounce these properly for

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me, both the the the,

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shiitake pathway and the rest of it are

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not shiitake. I said I said it wrong

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again. But That's a Japanese form. That's probably

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the correct pronunciation. You can walk us through

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it. And and let me know, you know,

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the why this is important. Because this for

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me and I if you guys haven't heard

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this stuff, I find this to be the

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most important part, the how it affects the

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stomach and the microbiome and and the point

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about the wheat and the connection to everything.

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So go into this for us and how,

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essentially, it's synergistic and how it's hurting us.

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Oh, man. That's, like, such a huge topic,

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and I've it's really caught my attention for

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so many years. I'm still very deep into

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the research, and I'm still discovering new things

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every day. I just am so intrigued

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by this chemical because it actually has a

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very unique mechanism of toxicity

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unique to glyphosate.

522
00:17:51,244 --> 00:17:52,684
It's the only chemical in the world. If

523
00:17:52,684 --> 00:17:54,204
I'm right and I have to say this

524
00:17:54,204 --> 00:17:55,799
is a theory that I have, which is

525
00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:57,900
being pushed back, of course, by the industry.

526
00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,039
They're denying that it's possible, in fact. But

527
00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:02,840
I think glyphosate is substituting for glycine, the

528
00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,019
amino acid glycine, during protein synthesis.

529
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,799
That is a unique aspect of glyphosate that

530
00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:09,240
I don't know of any other chemical that

531
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,299
has that property.

532
00:18:10,945 --> 00:18:12,865
And that is what makes it so toxic.

533
00:18:12,865 --> 00:18:15,105
And it's also insidiously toxic because it doesn't

534
00:18:15,105 --> 00:18:16,225
boil you up. You don't get sick to

535
00:18:16,225 --> 00:18:17,744
your stomach when you're exposed to it. It's

536
00:18:17,744 --> 00:18:20,065
a subtle slow kill. So what does that

537
00:18:20,065 --> 00:18:21,825
mean exactly that replaces that? What does that

538
00:18:21,984 --> 00:18:23,424
for someone who doesn't understand the terms, what

539
00:18:23,424 --> 00:18:25,184
does that mean? Yeah. So proteins are are

540
00:18:25,184 --> 00:18:27,240
the workhorses of the body, and they're they're

541
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,640
made from the DNA code, the famous DNA

542
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,640
code in the gen in the genome. And

543
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,559
you have a sequence of amino of, of,

544
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,380
nucleotides

545
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,640
that code for each it's three a three

546
00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,680
letter code. So four different nucleotides, three letter

547
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,625
code. It's really elegant. And this is that

548
00:18:42,625 --> 00:18:43,365
whole DNA,

549
00:18:44,865 --> 00:18:47,125
Watson and Crick thing that is just incredible.

550
00:18:47,744 --> 00:18:49,664
It's really fascinating that the body works that

551
00:18:49,664 --> 00:18:52,325
way. But you just read off the machinery

552
00:18:52,384 --> 00:18:53,984
reads off the code and makes the protein

553
00:18:53,984 --> 00:18:55,825
from the code. And there's a code for

554
00:18:55,825 --> 00:18:56,325
glycine.

555
00:18:57,059 --> 00:18:59,539
And and and there's about 20 amino acids.

556
00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:02,259
So it's it's there's 64 possible combinations of

557
00:19:02,259 --> 00:19:03,319
those three letters,

558
00:19:03,619 --> 00:19:05,720
four four letters taken three ways.

559
00:19:06,099 --> 00:19:08,019
And, there's 20 amino acids, so there's some

560
00:19:08,019 --> 00:19:10,339
redundancy. You know, sometimes multiple codes code for

561
00:19:10,339 --> 00:19:13,194
the same one. And in fact, glycine's code

562
00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,115
is g g x, where x is a

563
00:19:15,115 --> 00:19:16,474
wild card. So it can be all of

564
00:19:16,474 --> 00:19:18,315
the other all of four can go with

565
00:19:18,315 --> 00:19:19,674
this. So it has four different codes for

566
00:19:19,674 --> 00:19:21,674
guys for glycine, but the first two are

567
00:19:21,674 --> 00:19:22,174
guanine.

568
00:19:22,795 --> 00:19:25,200
In the is getting too technical. I'm sorry.

569
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,119
It's hard not to be technical when you're

570
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,119
talking about this stuff. But but people who've

571
00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,599
taken any biology know about this. And so

572
00:19:31,599 --> 00:19:33,599
the three letter code makes glycine whenever you

573
00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:35,680
see this g g x. But if it

574
00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:37,545
but when it's looking for glycine, it can

575
00:19:37,545 --> 00:19:39,865
it can accidentally pick up glyphosate instead because

576
00:19:39,865 --> 00:19:42,265
glyphosate is a glycine molecule. It's a complete

577
00:19:42,265 --> 00:19:44,505
glycine molecule. It has no side chains just

578
00:19:44,505 --> 00:19:46,585
like glycine has no side chains. That's unique

579
00:19:46,585 --> 00:19:47,565
property of glycine.

580
00:19:48,025 --> 00:19:49,704
It has a side chain on its nitrogen

581
00:19:49,704 --> 00:19:51,940
atom, but that is outside of the spot

582
00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,640
that has to fix fit the molecule.

583
00:19:54,099 --> 00:19:55,539
The nitrogen has to stick out because it

584
00:19:55,539 --> 00:19:56,900
has to hook up with the other guys

585
00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:58,980
in the chain. And the nitrogen has this

586
00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:00,900
extra bulky thing sticking on on it, which

587
00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:01,720
is a methylphosphonate.

588
00:20:02,259 --> 00:20:05,095
That's what makes glycine glyphosate so unique. Mhmm.

589
00:20:05,095 --> 00:20:07,274
The methylphosphonate looks a lot like phosphate.

590
00:20:07,734 --> 00:20:09,734
And so my theory is that it whenever

591
00:20:09,734 --> 00:20:11,575
you have a glycine residue at a place

592
00:20:11,575 --> 00:20:13,434
where the, protein binds phosphate,

593
00:20:14,294 --> 00:20:15,914
glyphosate can stick its methylphosphonate

594
00:20:16,294 --> 00:20:17,734
in the spot that's supposed to be there

595
00:20:17,734 --> 00:20:19,994
for the substrate so the substrate can fit.

596
00:20:20,329 --> 00:20:23,710
But glyphosate occupies that space, and then the

597
00:20:23,769 --> 00:20:25,309
the protein can't bind phosphate.

598
00:20:25,769 --> 00:20:27,769
And when the protein can't bind phosphate, it

599
00:20:27,769 --> 00:20:30,329
can't work because these bind body or the

600
00:20:30,329 --> 00:20:33,234
person that's happening to. Say it again. So

601
00:20:33,234 --> 00:20:34,355
so what does that mean for the person

602
00:20:34,355 --> 00:20:36,355
that's happening to? So the protein gets broken.

603
00:20:36,355 --> 00:20:38,434
It gets severely broken just by that one

604
00:20:38,434 --> 00:20:39,734
change to have glycine

605
00:20:40,115 --> 00:20:42,274
replaced by glyphosate at that place, which is

606
00:20:42,274 --> 00:20:44,274
where it binds the phosphate at the active

607
00:20:44,274 --> 00:20:46,434
site. That's exactly what happens with g p

608
00:20:46,595 --> 00:20:47,654
EPSP synthase.

609
00:20:48,369 --> 00:20:51,429
That's the protein that they've identified. The glyphosate

610
00:20:51,490 --> 00:20:52,409
severely disrupts

611
00:20:52,849 --> 00:20:54,549
Mhmm. In the plants. That's what kills

612
00:20:54,849 --> 00:20:57,109
basically all plants. All plants have a dependency

613
00:20:57,890 --> 00:21:00,289
on that enzyme that binds phosphate at a

614
00:21:00,289 --> 00:21:02,609
place where glycine is highly conserved. Exactly that

615
00:21:02,609 --> 00:21:03,109
pattern.

616
00:21:03,664 --> 00:21:05,664
If you in fact, the GMO crops, they

617
00:21:05,664 --> 00:21:07,585
don't have glycine code at that at that

618
00:21:07,585 --> 00:21:08,085
spot.

619
00:21:08,384 --> 00:21:11,125
That particular amino acid, that that particular protein

620
00:21:11,664 --> 00:21:13,284
that they found in the microbe

621
00:21:13,585 --> 00:21:15,664
has an alanine instead of glycine. The code

622
00:21:15,664 --> 00:21:16,404
is different.

623
00:21:16,849 --> 00:21:19,170
So glyphosate can't substitute. And it turns out

624
00:21:19,170 --> 00:21:20,869
that if you replace the glycine

625
00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:24,289
so they doubt chemical did an experiment where

626
00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:24,789
they

627
00:21:25,330 --> 00:21:27,190
they can modify you know, they have clever

628
00:21:27,330 --> 00:21:29,570
techniques. They can actually replace the glycine with

629
00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:30,070
alanine

630
00:21:30,484 --> 00:21:32,205
in the in the plant's version of the

631
00:21:32,205 --> 00:21:32,984
of the enzyme.

632
00:21:33,365 --> 00:21:34,884
And when they do that, the plant is

633
00:21:34,884 --> 00:21:36,884
completely insensitive to glyphosate. In other words, it

634
00:21:36,884 --> 00:21:37,785
completely kills

635
00:21:38,164 --> 00:21:41,205
glyphosate's ability to affect that enzyme if you

636
00:21:41,205 --> 00:21:42,345
get rid of that glycine.

637
00:21:43,059 --> 00:21:45,140
And the logical conclusion is the glyphosate is

638
00:21:45,140 --> 00:21:47,299
substituting for that glycine. There's really no other

639
00:21:47,299 --> 00:21:49,539
conclusion. And as if they were substituting for

640
00:21:49,539 --> 00:21:51,160
the substrate, which is what they argue,

641
00:21:51,539 --> 00:21:53,059
it wouldn't be so so,

642
00:21:53,779 --> 00:21:56,164
black and white. So if I understand correctly

643
00:21:56,625 --> 00:21:59,664
so you're the the the genetically modifying mechanism

644
00:21:59,664 --> 00:22:01,664
they're they're using to create the situation where

645
00:22:01,664 --> 00:22:03,825
the plant, can resist this, you're saying that

646
00:22:03,825 --> 00:22:05,345
that in a in a different way is

647
00:22:05,345 --> 00:22:07,684
is happening or some different way affecting us?

648
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:09,789
The same mechanism or the same Well, yeah.

649
00:22:09,789 --> 00:22:11,789
I mean, it's happening to that particular enzyme,

650
00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:13,230
and that's a very big problem for the

651
00:22:13,230 --> 00:22:15,309
plant. Mhmm. But it's also happening to lots

652
00:22:15,309 --> 00:22:17,149
of other enzymes. And I've gone through, you

653
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:19,490
know, many papers looking for

654
00:22:19,964 --> 00:22:22,765
enzymes that have glycine that's at the site

655
00:22:22,765 --> 00:22:24,285
where they bind phosphate. That's my sort of

656
00:22:24,365 --> 00:22:25,565
I talk about that in my book. Here's

657
00:22:25,565 --> 00:22:26,704
my book, Toxic Legacy.

658
00:22:27,484 --> 00:22:28,845
And I have a whole chapter in that

659
00:22:28,845 --> 00:22:31,424
book where I argue this idea that glyphosate

660
00:22:31,484 --> 00:22:34,109
substitutes for glycine. I I'm almost certain that

661
00:22:34,109 --> 00:22:35,009
that's what's happening.

662
00:22:35,309 --> 00:22:37,730
Mhmm. And and they are denying it vehemently.

663
00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:39,470
So there's a real battle going on between

664
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:41,090
me and the rest of the world, basically.

665
00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:43,630
I'm quite confident that that's what's happening because

666
00:22:43,630 --> 00:22:45,789
it explains everything. It explains all these diseases

667
00:22:45,789 --> 00:22:46,930
that are going up dramatically.

668
00:22:47,335 --> 00:22:48,855
In my book, I show how you can

669
00:22:48,855 --> 00:22:49,674
find a disease,

670
00:22:50,134 --> 00:22:52,235
autism, for example, going up dramatically.

671
00:22:52,695 --> 00:22:53,994
You can find enzymes

672
00:22:54,535 --> 00:22:57,095
that are where genetic mutations in those enzymes,

673
00:22:57,095 --> 00:22:59,575
even glycine mutations in those enzymes are linked

674
00:22:59,575 --> 00:23:00,394
to that disease.

675
00:23:01,330 --> 00:23:03,410
You know? And and then those glycine mutations

676
00:23:03,410 --> 00:23:04,930
are at places where binds phosphate. I mean,

677
00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:07,250
the whole system is so beautiful. It's it's

678
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:08,150
beautiful science.

679
00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:11,009
Fascinating. And that's how I can explain all

680
00:23:11,009 --> 00:23:13,009
these diseases that are going up dramatically exactly

681
00:23:13,009 --> 00:23:15,090
in step with glyphosate, including, you know, diabetes,

682
00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:16,630
obesity, autism, Alzheimer's,

683
00:23:17,375 --> 00:23:18,195
various cancers,

684
00:23:19,295 --> 00:23:21,934
pancreatic cancer. Right. Right. There's a huge list.

685
00:23:21,934 --> 00:23:22,975
That's what I was getting to and I

686
00:23:22,975 --> 00:23:24,414
was gonna say I recommend your book, but

687
00:23:24,414 --> 00:23:25,775
I I I that's what I was getting

688
00:23:25,775 --> 00:23:27,375
to is the so what you were describing

689
00:23:27,375 --> 00:23:29,055
there leads to what you just listed off.

690
00:23:29,055 --> 00:23:30,195
It's just this litany

691
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:32,539
of or potentially, anyway, based on your theory,

692
00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:34,920
all of these different, you know, cancers and,

693
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,319
you know, and just a long list of

694
00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:38,679
problems. And so that's I just wanna bring

695
00:23:38,679 --> 00:23:40,279
that together for people to hear what you

696
00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,200
were describing in the scientific sense, but know

697
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,640
that we're talking about all the things that

698
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,255
we're dealing with. And so it's a it's

699
00:23:45,255 --> 00:23:47,414
a really interesting kind of point there. But,

700
00:23:47,654 --> 00:23:49,015
I had there's one thing I was just

701
00:23:49,015 --> 00:23:50,775
gonna jump to that I thought was, very

702
00:23:50,775 --> 00:23:53,275
relevant there. I wanted to get into the

703
00:23:53,335 --> 00:23:53,815
the,

704
00:23:54,695 --> 00:23:56,615
the part about the oh, that's what it

705
00:23:56,615 --> 00:23:57,815
was. Before I get to that, I wanna

706
00:23:57,815 --> 00:23:59,940
get into the the actual additional parts to

707
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:02,019
the the how it harms the body. But

708
00:24:02,019 --> 00:24:03,619
you brought up something interesting that I think

709
00:24:03,619 --> 00:24:05,299
makes or a point I'm gonna add to

710
00:24:05,299 --> 00:24:07,079
what you said that makes this very specific.

711
00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:08,900
And you you mentioned in that in in

712
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:10,819
your other, post that you had shared about

713
00:24:10,819 --> 00:24:14,204
the 2,006 forward use of glyphosate on wheat.

714
00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:16,284
And I looked up the the relevance, you

715
00:24:16,284 --> 00:24:19,565
know, the the incidence of celiac disease. And

716
00:24:19,565 --> 00:24:21,085
I found it very interesting that you can

717
00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:23,804
see this pretty, very, you know, linear graph

718
00:24:23,804 --> 00:24:26,365
basically breaking down how clearly this has increased.

719
00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:28,519
Now you that's correlation, not always causation. I

720
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:30,759
know. That's there's a lot of correlations that

721
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:33,000
they claim that can't possibly be causation. I

722
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,639
think they're all causation, actually. Yeah. All of

723
00:24:35,639 --> 00:24:37,639
them. You know? Well, at least plays a

724
00:24:37,639 --> 00:24:39,240
factor. Then that back to your point of

725
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,565
the synergistic problem. The only thing that causes,

726
00:24:41,565 --> 00:24:43,751
But you can say it's the cause of

727
00:24:43,751 --> 00:24:45,937
the epidemic. That's the way I see it.

728
00:24:45,937 --> 00:24:48,124
Well, what what what other things would you

729
00:24:48,124 --> 00:24:50,310
say would be synergistically working alongside glyphosate to

730
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:52,497
potentially add to this? Well, certainly aluminum, for

731
00:24:52,497 --> 00:24:54,956
example, and toxic metals in general, for sure.

732
00:24:54,956 --> 00:24:56,750
And, of course, we have all these other

733
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:57,970
herbicides and insecticides

734
00:24:58,269 --> 00:25:00,429
and fungicides that are on our food. They're

735
00:25:00,429 --> 00:25:02,369
all toxic. They're all toxic.

736
00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:04,910
And so, you know, and fluoride in the

737
00:25:04,910 --> 00:25:06,750
water, I mean, it's such a huge list.

738
00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,470
Even folic acid. It works synergistically with folic

739
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:11,169
acid. Folic acid is a problem.

740
00:25:12,085 --> 00:25:14,644
There we're beginning to the government, I think,

741
00:25:14,644 --> 00:25:16,964
is beginning to appreciate that. You know, we've

742
00:25:16,964 --> 00:25:17,924
got folic acid,

743
00:25:18,244 --> 00:25:19,784
fortification in our wheat.

744
00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:21,684
And I think that's part of the problem

745
00:25:21,684 --> 00:25:23,684
with the gluten intolerance along with the glyphosate.

746
00:25:23,684 --> 00:25:25,125
Actually, I've written about that in a in

747
00:25:25,125 --> 00:25:26,804
a web in a page article, not not

748
00:25:26,804 --> 00:25:28,519
a peer reviewed article, but just an article

749
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:29,660
that I wrote on the web,

750
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:31,900
linking folic acid

751
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,819
and glyphosate together

752
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,319
to celiac disease and other, basically, disruption of

753
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:40,455
the methylation pathways because folic acid is folate

754
00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:43,315
is critical for the methylation pathways. And what's

755
00:25:43,315 --> 00:25:44,455
found in the foods

756
00:25:44,914 --> 00:25:47,315
is a form of folate that's very different

757
00:25:47,315 --> 00:25:49,315
from the one they put into the the

758
00:25:49,315 --> 00:25:51,414
one they put into the breed is synthetic.

759
00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:53,315
And you always have to be wary of

760
00:25:53,315 --> 00:25:55,740
synthetic because they don't understand the science well

761
00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:56,640
enough to realize

762
00:25:57,019 --> 00:25:58,460
that it doesn't work the same way. The

763
00:25:58,460 --> 00:25:58,860
folic acid

764
00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:01,580
the folate that's in the food, the gut

765
00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:03,820
microbes know how to turn that into methyl

766
00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:04,320
tetrahydrofolate,

767
00:26:04,779 --> 00:26:06,539
which has a methyl group that's an extremely

768
00:26:06,539 --> 00:26:09,440
important part of methylation pathways. It's the source

769
00:26:09,494 --> 00:26:11,595
of the methyl groups in the methylation pathways.

770
00:26:12,055 --> 00:26:14,714
Methylation pathway disruption is a feature of autism,

771
00:26:15,255 --> 00:26:18,214
and glyphosate is really, really tough on the

772
00:26:18,214 --> 00:26:19,194
methylation pathways.

773
00:26:19,815 --> 00:26:21,174
And I talked about that in my book

774
00:26:21,174 --> 00:26:23,115
too, but glyphosate messes up critical.

775
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,680
I believe it messes up critical proteins that

776
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,420
have that glyphosate susceptibility motif

777
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:31,279
that are critically involved in making that methyl

778
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,279
group that comes out of the gut micros.

779
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:34,019
Gut microbes

780
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:34,980
deliver

781
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,380
the methyl group to the methylation pathways.

782
00:26:38,365 --> 00:26:40,444
And I should probably mention deuterium at this

783
00:26:40,444 --> 00:26:42,704
point because I've really become obsessed with deuterium

784
00:26:42,765 --> 00:26:43,265
lately.

785
00:26:43,804 --> 00:26:46,204
And and I realized that the the microbes

786
00:26:46,204 --> 00:26:49,024
make deuterium depleted nutrients for the host. Deuterium

787
00:26:49,085 --> 00:26:50,065
is heavy hydrogen.

788
00:26:50,444 --> 00:26:52,839
Okay. And it has an extra sorry. It

789
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:53,559
has an extra,

790
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,200
neutron as well as a proton. Hydrogen is

791
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,740
just one proton, one electron,

792
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,440
tiniest, atom in the world, most common by

793
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,299
far in in in the universe.

794
00:27:03,255 --> 00:27:06,214
And deuterium is a natural heavy isotope of

795
00:27:06,214 --> 00:27:08,075
hydrogen. It has an extra neutron.

796
00:27:08,535 --> 00:27:11,095
So it goes everywhere hydrogen goes. Hydrogen goes

797
00:27:11,095 --> 00:27:14,214
everywhere, so it's it's involved in every reaction

798
00:27:14,214 --> 00:27:14,954
that happens.

799
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:17,529
And deuterium is is in nature, so we've

800
00:27:17,529 --> 00:27:19,630
got lots of deuterium atoms in our body.

801
00:27:20,329 --> 00:27:22,169
But deuterium is kind of like a toxic

802
00:27:22,169 --> 00:27:22,669
metal

803
00:27:23,049 --> 00:27:25,849
because it's, the, mitochondria are very sensitive to

804
00:27:25,849 --> 00:27:28,585
deuterium. They hate it. And the body has

805
00:27:28,585 --> 00:27:31,724
developed this incredibly sophisticated metabolic process

806
00:27:32,585 --> 00:27:34,904
that tries to deliver as little deuterium as

807
00:27:34,904 --> 00:27:36,044
possible to the mitochondria.

808
00:27:36,664 --> 00:27:38,345
And part of that, a critical part of

809
00:27:38,345 --> 00:27:40,904
that, is the methylation pathways because those methyl

810
00:27:40,904 --> 00:27:41,065
groups

811
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:43,509
and this is gonna be some science, but

812
00:27:43,509 --> 00:27:45,029
I would really like to say this because

813
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:45,529
the

814
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:47,529
the microbes make hydrogen gas.

815
00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:49,609
You know, you get gas, you get bloating.

816
00:27:49,670 --> 00:27:51,670
For example, you get bloating with glyphosate, and

817
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:53,590
that's because the gases are not easily being

818
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:54,490
brought back into

819
00:27:54,869 --> 00:27:56,970
organic matter. There's a whole cycle

820
00:27:57,375 --> 00:27:59,055
in the gut with the microbes where they

821
00:27:59,055 --> 00:27:59,954
take your food,

822
00:28:00,255 --> 00:28:02,414
they convert it to carbon dioxide and hydrogen

823
00:28:02,414 --> 00:28:04,654
gas, and then the hydrogen gas is used

824
00:28:04,654 --> 00:28:06,654
as a reducing agent to make new food.

825
00:28:06,654 --> 00:28:08,494
And that new food, for example, is butyrate,

826
00:28:08,494 --> 00:28:10,355
and butyrate is an incredibly important

827
00:28:10,779 --> 00:28:13,180
short chain fatty acid. It 70% of the

828
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:14,799
food that the colonocytes

829
00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:18,299
take in is butyrate. They love butyrate. It's

830
00:28:18,299 --> 00:28:21,259
a very it's a small fatty acid produced

831
00:28:21,259 --> 00:28:23,500
by the microbes and low in deuterium, I

832
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:25,734
believe. Because you could source it back from

833
00:28:25,734 --> 00:28:28,535
that methane gas, and the methane sources from

834
00:28:28,535 --> 00:28:29,595
the hydrogen gas.

835
00:28:30,214 --> 00:28:32,615
And well, is hydrogen going to acetate, actually,

836
00:28:32,615 --> 00:28:34,375
if you wanna be ticked think about that

837
00:28:34,375 --> 00:28:36,295
to be at a rate? But the hydrogen

838
00:28:36,295 --> 00:28:38,214
is very low in deuterium because you lose

839
00:28:38,214 --> 00:28:39,894
80% of the deuterium when you turn it

840
00:28:39,894 --> 00:28:41,530
into a gas. That is a critical, critical

841
00:28:41,530 --> 00:28:43,154
point. And I've been writing about that in

842
00:28:43,154 --> 00:28:44,981
many of my papers. For those that you

843
00:28:44,981 --> 00:28:46,808
know, for to to make that in in

844
00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:48,432
layman terms as easy as possible to understand,

845
00:28:48,432 --> 00:28:50,259
what does that mean? What is that what's

846
00:28:50,259 --> 00:28:51,883
the functional reality of that for somebody who

847
00:28:51,883 --> 00:28:54,214
doesn't understand the science? I'm sorry about that.

848
00:28:54,214 --> 00:28:55,974
People need to take more biology because a

849
00:28:55,974 --> 00:28:57,974
lot of people don't need to know very

850
00:28:57,974 --> 00:28:59,654
much biohut. Just just say, I find it

851
00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:01,734
really important that that you include this stuff.

852
00:29:01,734 --> 00:29:03,894
I think it's very important because there's plenty

853
00:29:03,894 --> 00:29:05,095
out there that this will be this will

854
00:29:05,095 --> 00:29:06,615
be you know, you'll be connecting dots for

855
00:29:06,615 --> 00:29:08,190
people that very much do know the science.

856
00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:09,869
I'm probably somewhere in the middle, but there's

857
00:29:09,869 --> 00:29:12,349
plenty. Yeah. It's important to include, so please

858
00:29:12,349 --> 00:29:14,429
continue. Well, I have to say deuterium is

859
00:29:14,429 --> 00:29:14,909
extremely,

860
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:18,029
very few scientists in America are working on

861
00:29:18,029 --> 00:29:19,629
deuterium. We're a very small group.

862
00:29:20,429 --> 00:29:22,974
We're passionate about it. It's it's actually it

863
00:29:22,974 --> 00:29:25,075
was much more research going on in Russia

864
00:29:25,454 --> 00:29:27,375
and in Ukraine and in Hungary. Those are

865
00:29:27,375 --> 00:29:28,815
kind of the three countries where the whole

866
00:29:28,815 --> 00:29:31,454
deuterium thing kinda took off from way back.

867
00:29:31,454 --> 00:29:34,434
And and and in Russia, they scientists identified

868
00:29:34,575 --> 00:29:35,474
some time ago,

869
00:29:36,179 --> 00:29:37,539
that there were these people who lived in

870
00:29:37,539 --> 00:29:38,039
Siberia,

871
00:29:38,740 --> 00:29:40,659
who had a pretty, you would think they

872
00:29:40,659 --> 00:29:42,019
had a poor diet because they didn't have

873
00:29:42,019 --> 00:29:43,539
a whole lot of fruits and vegetables because

874
00:29:43,539 --> 00:29:44,440
it was up north.

875
00:29:44,819 --> 00:29:46,740
They ate a lot of fat animal based

876
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:48,679
fats, and like fish, of course,

877
00:29:49,294 --> 00:29:50,894
and, I don't know, bison or something like

878
00:29:50,894 --> 00:29:52,335
that. But they were eating a a a

879
00:29:52,335 --> 00:29:54,015
strange diet. You would think it was kind

880
00:29:54,015 --> 00:29:55,615
of an odd diet, which which would be

881
00:29:55,615 --> 00:29:57,934
missing some nutrients. But yet, they were extremely

882
00:29:57,934 --> 00:29:59,375
healthy. They lived many of them lived to

883
00:29:59,375 --> 00:30:01,054
be over 100, and they were healthy up

884
00:30:01,054 --> 00:30:02,115
up into old age.

885
00:30:02,429 --> 00:30:04,269
And so the scientists were interested in trying

886
00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:05,250
to figure out why.

887
00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:07,309
And what they figured out was that they

888
00:30:07,309 --> 00:30:09,149
were drinking water that was low in deuterium

889
00:30:09,149 --> 00:30:10,690
because it was coming off the glacier.

890
00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:12,990
Mhmm. And the glacier water was what was

891
00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:13,970
keeping them healthy.

892
00:30:14,349 --> 00:30:17,169
And so people actually market deuterium depleted water,

893
00:30:17,994 --> 00:30:19,755
which I believe in as a way to,

894
00:30:19,994 --> 00:30:21,994
to lower your deuterium burden in your body

895
00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:23,994
by drinking deuterium depleted water. But you can

896
00:30:23,994 --> 00:30:25,914
eat foods that are low in deuterium, and

897
00:30:25,914 --> 00:30:27,454
those are gonna be fatty foods.

898
00:30:27,755 --> 00:30:29,454
So fats have the lowest levels,

899
00:30:30,009 --> 00:30:32,009
proteins are in the middle, and and carbs

900
00:30:32,009 --> 00:30:33,609
have the highest level of deuterium. So if

901
00:30:33,609 --> 00:30:36,329
you're eating a strictly carbohydrate diet, you're getting

902
00:30:36,329 --> 00:30:38,410
a high deuterium diet. And that's just gonna

903
00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:40,009
make your problem harder because you're gonna have

904
00:30:40,009 --> 00:30:41,849
better better chance of getting deuterium into your

905
00:30:41,849 --> 00:30:43,515
mitochondria, which is gonna wreck them.

906
00:30:43,994 --> 00:30:45,755
Interesting. Is there any port point at which

907
00:30:45,755 --> 00:30:47,835
you feel that there's some deliberate part of

908
00:30:47,835 --> 00:30:49,835
that? Or is that just an organic byproduct

909
00:30:49,835 --> 00:30:51,214
or or, you know,

910
00:30:51,515 --> 00:30:53,355
side, you know, is there something is there

911
00:30:53,355 --> 00:30:54,875
an element of where that's being added into

912
00:30:54,875 --> 00:30:56,490
our food supply or is that just

913
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:58,250
Well, it is interesting that we've had a

914
00:30:58,250 --> 00:31:00,009
kind of an obsession with low fat for

915
00:31:00,009 --> 00:31:01,450
many years. You know, back in the nineteen

916
00:31:01,450 --> 00:31:03,390
seventies, I remember they were, you know, pushing,

917
00:31:04,009 --> 00:31:06,490
low fat diet, which I never bought into.

918
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:08,089
I always liked fats, and I always ate

919
00:31:08,089 --> 00:31:09,944
a lot of fats. And I believe fats

920
00:31:09,944 --> 00:31:11,785
are the healthiest foods you can eat. So

921
00:31:11,785 --> 00:31:13,144
you you want to have a high fat

922
00:31:13,144 --> 00:31:15,384
diet, not a low fat diet. But people

923
00:31:15,384 --> 00:31:17,625
would try to avoid fats, you know, and

924
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,125
it's ironic because you think fatty liver disease,

925
00:31:20,184 --> 00:31:22,180
oh, I better stop eating fats. And and

926
00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:24,340
even cholesterol, you know, high cholesterol, I better

927
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:26,200
stop eating cholesterol. It's actually the opposite.

928
00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:28,340
If you eat fats, your liver doesn't need

929
00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:29,160
to make fat.

930
00:31:29,619 --> 00:31:32,019
Interesting. And fatty liver disease comes from alcohol

931
00:31:32,019 --> 00:31:34,580
and fructose, you know? Sugar. Exactly. And they

932
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:36,019
don't have any fat in them. So it's

933
00:31:36,019 --> 00:31:37,400
really interesting that,

934
00:31:39,194 --> 00:31:41,115
you need to eat the things that are

935
00:31:41,115 --> 00:31:42,714
in the you know, it doesn't make sense

936
00:31:42,714 --> 00:31:44,174
to you that you should eat cholesterol

937
00:31:44,634 --> 00:31:46,795
to lower your cholesterol. But I think that's

938
00:31:46,795 --> 00:31:48,714
true. You know, your your your body loves

939
00:31:48,714 --> 00:31:50,335
cholesterol. And when you eat cholesterol,

940
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,880
it goes into the chylomicron and gets shipped

941
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,339
straight to the to the heart

942
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,460
via the lymph system. It bypasses the blood.

943
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,000
And the heart loves loves cholesterol. So it

944
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,920
it is takes taking up that cholesterol right

945
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,119
away as soon as it comes to the

946
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,359
heart, and it's getting the cholesterol that it

947
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:05,859
needs.

948
00:32:06,595 --> 00:32:07,954
But then if you don't if you eat

949
00:32:07,954 --> 00:32:09,954
a low cholesterol diet, now your liver's gotta

950
00:32:09,954 --> 00:32:11,554
make cholesterol, and it's gotta put it into

951
00:32:11,554 --> 00:32:13,954
those LDL particles, and your LDL goes up.

952
00:32:13,954 --> 00:32:16,454
But it's very confusing to people that,

953
00:32:17,315 --> 00:32:19,474
it's not it it that what seems obvious

954
00:32:19,474 --> 00:32:20,454
is not true.

955
00:32:20,899 --> 00:32:22,740
Yeah. You know, see, call me a conspiracy

956
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:24,019
theorist, but I tend to find that that's

957
00:32:24,019 --> 00:32:26,339
something that's very well you know, that other

958
00:32:26,339 --> 00:32:28,279
doctor you know, that people in the industries

959
00:32:28,339 --> 00:32:30,179
are aware of that, and yet we're constantly

960
00:32:30,179 --> 00:32:32,099
fed things that seem to be counterintuitive to

961
00:32:32,099 --> 00:32:34,304
the scientific reality. So, you know, that could

962
00:32:34,304 --> 00:32:36,464
be incompetence. Yeah. I don't know if it's

963
00:32:36,464 --> 00:32:38,464
true, but it just looked like they're trying

964
00:32:38,464 --> 00:32:40,144
to make us sick, I have to say.

965
00:32:40,144 --> 00:32:41,924
I agree. And and, of course, the industry

966
00:32:41,984 --> 00:32:43,265
knows that if they can sell us all

967
00:32:43,265 --> 00:32:45,184
these drugs, like, you know, lifestyle drugs that

968
00:32:45,184 --> 00:32:46,224
you have to take for the rest of

969
00:32:46,224 --> 00:32:47,904
your life, that's money in their pockets. And

970
00:32:47,904 --> 00:32:50,240
so I don't think they want us to

971
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,740
know

972
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,779
how to be healthy. Then they give us

973
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:54,579
disinformation,

974
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,279
you know, if they're telling us things that

975
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,799
are absolutely the opposite of what you should

976
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,480
be doing. So it's really sad to see

977
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,640
that the American health care system is really

978
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,539
a mess. And,

979
00:33:03,964 --> 00:33:04,845
I I don't trust,

980
00:33:05,325 --> 00:33:07,005
pharma at all. I mean, I think they're

981
00:33:07,005 --> 00:33:07,825
just out for

982
00:33:08,125 --> 00:33:10,125
money. They like I I I hated to

983
00:33:10,125 --> 00:33:11,644
admit this, and it took me a while

984
00:33:11,644 --> 00:33:12,625
to accept it.

985
00:33:12,924 --> 00:33:14,945
They like us to be sick. Mhmm.

986
00:33:15,484 --> 00:33:17,085
And it makes sense because they can make

987
00:33:17,085 --> 00:33:18,365
money as long as they can sell us

988
00:33:18,365 --> 00:33:19,025
their drugs.

989
00:33:19,369 --> 00:33:20,190
And there's numerous examples

990
00:33:20,650 --> 00:33:22,730
of of people in in, you know, even

991
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:25,529
tangential industries, but from pharma basically admitting that.

992
00:33:25,529 --> 00:33:27,529
You know, that their policy, their their interest

993
00:33:27,529 --> 00:33:29,369
is not you know, like many industries we

994
00:33:29,369 --> 00:33:31,289
deal with today, but it's just keeping the

995
00:33:31,289 --> 00:33:33,255
the problem dealt with, not actually removing the

996
00:33:33,255 --> 00:33:34,855
problem because you're saying that's just a never

997
00:33:34,855 --> 00:33:36,775
ending stream of revenue. You know? And this

998
00:33:36,775 --> 00:33:38,134
this is this doesn't even need to be

999
00:33:38,134 --> 00:33:39,894
sold on people today. Most people have come

1000
00:33:39,894 --> 00:33:42,214
to terms with the kind of dark reality

1001
00:33:42,214 --> 00:33:44,474
of how this all works. Yeah. This pharmaceutical

1002
00:33:44,695 --> 00:33:46,615
industry is not very well respected, I have

1003
00:33:46,615 --> 00:33:49,019
to say. I wanna get back acromancy because

1004
00:33:49,019 --> 00:33:51,019
you mentioned it. And it's a very interesting

1005
00:33:51,019 --> 00:33:53,440
microbe. It's become a hot topic

1006
00:33:54,059 --> 00:33:55,980
lately in the research literature, a lot of

1007
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:58,539
papers. You can show that one. Glycet's onslaught.

1008
00:33:58,539 --> 00:34:00,539
Oh, there you go. Nice. The Gut Club.

1009
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:02,400
Yes. Right. I posted that.

1010
00:34:03,215 --> 00:34:05,775
And it's really, interesting because Akkermansia is a

1011
00:34:05,775 --> 00:34:07,875
very, important microbe in the gut

1012
00:34:08,175 --> 00:34:10,815
that is, suppressed by glyphosate. There's studies have

1013
00:34:10,815 --> 00:34:12,414
shown that. And I think there's at least

1014
00:34:12,414 --> 00:34:14,414
two studies that have shown that Akkermansia is

1015
00:34:14,414 --> 00:34:15,554
suppressed by glyphosate.

1016
00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:19,110
And Akkermansia is a really interesting drug because

1017
00:34:19,410 --> 00:34:20,469
its only food

1018
00:34:20,849 --> 00:34:23,349
is the sulfamucins that line the gut. So

1019
00:34:24,289 --> 00:34:24,949
there are cells

1020
00:34:25,329 --> 00:34:26,070
in the gut

1021
00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:29,250
lining that make these sulfamucins, which are these

1022
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:31,910
complicated sugar chains with sulfates attached to them.

1023
00:34:32,184 --> 00:34:33,164
And then the akkermansia

1024
00:34:33,464 --> 00:34:34,045
eat those.

1025
00:34:34,664 --> 00:34:36,424
And they consume them. And they break them

1026
00:34:36,424 --> 00:34:38,664
down. And they break them down into small

1027
00:34:38,664 --> 00:34:40,824
molecules. And then they convert them to fatty

1028
00:34:40,824 --> 00:34:43,385
acids, like butyrate. So there's a complete cycle

1029
00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:45,545
where the clonocytes are eating the butyrate that's

1030
00:34:45,545 --> 00:34:46,684
produced by the akkermansia.

1031
00:34:47,390 --> 00:34:49,550
And the akkermansia are eating the sulfamucins that

1032
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:51,789
are produced by the by the, by the

1033
00:34:51,789 --> 00:34:54,670
gut, by the colonocytes. You know? So it's

1034
00:34:54,670 --> 00:34:55,570
a it's a circle.

1035
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:58,190
And the whole process is a distilling process

1036
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:59,869
to get rid of the deuterium. That's what

1037
00:34:59,869 --> 00:35:02,844
I think. Because when they do that, conversion

1038
00:35:02,905 --> 00:35:04,045
of the sulfamucines

1039
00:35:04,344 --> 00:35:05,405
back into butyrate,

1040
00:35:05,784 --> 00:35:07,465
they go through a cycle of hydrogen gas,

1041
00:35:07,465 --> 00:35:09,885
and hydrogen gas is 80% depleted in deuterium.

1042
00:35:10,264 --> 00:35:12,824
So they produce butyrate that's low in in

1043
00:35:12,824 --> 00:35:13,324
deuterium

1044
00:35:13,784 --> 00:35:15,085
and feed it to the clonocytes.

1045
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:17,750
And the clonocytes, in turn, make them make

1046
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:19,670
the stuff that they can eat so they

1047
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:21,030
can do it again. So it's a complete

1048
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:22,889
cycle of stripping away the deuterium

1049
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:25,429
from this from the food source for the

1050
00:35:25,429 --> 00:35:27,050
clonocytes to keep them healthy.

1051
00:35:28,284 --> 00:35:30,125
And and the but and into the other

1052
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:31,644
part we we were talking about in regard

1053
00:35:31,644 --> 00:35:33,085
to how this connects, at least as I

1054
00:35:33,085 --> 00:35:34,925
was understanding this, is essentially that what you're

1055
00:35:34,925 --> 00:35:36,844
what you're highlighting here as you as you

1056
00:35:36,844 --> 00:35:37,005
you

1057
00:35:37,965 --> 00:35:39,485
to ask if you heard the term cancer

1058
00:35:39,485 --> 00:35:39,985
microbiome

1059
00:35:40,445 --> 00:35:42,224
and the discussion of whether this

1060
00:35:42,619 --> 00:35:43,840
overlap is causing,

1061
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:46,059
essentially well, why don't you better explain it

1062
00:35:46,059 --> 00:35:47,099
for me? Because I you know, I'm just

1063
00:35:47,099 --> 00:35:48,380
kind of I I read this earlier, and

1064
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:49,980
I found this really insightful. And I that's

1065
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:51,900
why I was thinking about the larger connection

1066
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:53,099
to how it was used and and the

1067
00:35:53,099 --> 00:35:55,179
weak point. But so how does this then

1068
00:35:55,179 --> 00:35:57,420
translate into the effect on the the gut?

1069
00:35:57,420 --> 00:35:58,781
So So that that's what I'm trying to

1070
00:35:58,781 --> 00:36:00,275
say. Well, there's another interesting thing is that

1071
00:36:00,275 --> 00:36:03,394
Akkermansia produces a protein called p nine, and

1072
00:36:03,394 --> 00:36:06,295
that protein stimulates the clonocytes to release

1073
00:36:06,675 --> 00:36:08,034
the l cells in the in the in

1074
00:36:08,034 --> 00:36:10,355
the colon to release GLP one. I don't

1075
00:36:10,355 --> 00:36:12,640
know if you've heard of GLP one. Mhmm.

1076
00:36:13,099 --> 00:36:13,599
Wegovy?

1077
00:36:15,019 --> 00:36:16,000
How about Wegovy?

1078
00:36:16,380 --> 00:36:19,099
No. You're explaining. Yeah. So there's these drugs

1079
00:36:19,099 --> 00:36:20,400
that have come out recently,

1080
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,059
originally to treat diabetes and now to treat

1081
00:36:24,059 --> 00:36:26,059
obesity, and people are going wild over these

1082
00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:27,755
drugs. They're very expensive GLP-one

1083
00:36:28,534 --> 00:36:29,034
analogs.

1084
00:36:29,654 --> 00:36:30,954
They're called receptor.

1085
00:36:32,934 --> 00:36:34,154
They bind to the receptor

1086
00:36:34,534 --> 00:36:35,914
and pretend to be GLP-one.

1087
00:36:36,775 --> 00:36:38,855
And there's a huge market for these. And

1088
00:36:38,855 --> 00:36:40,125
I think the health care industry is going

1089
00:36:40,125 --> 00:36:41,034
to go broke.

1090
00:36:41,409 --> 00:36:42,150
The insurance

1091
00:36:42,449 --> 00:36:44,369
agencies are going to go broke on paying

1092
00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:45,349
for these GLP-one

1093
00:36:45,889 --> 00:36:48,289
analogs because people are taking them like candy

1094
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,369
to try to lose weight. And they work

1095
00:36:50,369 --> 00:36:51,429
really well. And

1096
00:36:51,969 --> 00:36:53,730
they can cause you to delete, to get

1097
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:55,394
rid of a lot of weight. And as

1098
00:36:55,394 --> 00:36:56,755
soon as you go off of them, you

1099
00:36:56,755 --> 00:36:59,074
blow up. I mean, you very fast gain

1100
00:36:59,074 --> 00:37:00,775
that weight back. You can't Is this Ozempic

1101
00:37:00,914 --> 00:37:03,815
overlap? Ozempic, right. Ozempic and Wegovy, yes.

1102
00:37:04,114 --> 00:37:05,875
And there's other ones, too. But they're very

1103
00:37:06,275 --> 00:37:07,795
the industry is having a ball with this

1104
00:37:07,795 --> 00:37:09,199
stuff stuff because they're selling it to huge

1105
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:10,480
numbers of people, and they're trying to get

1106
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,579
the insurance to cover it, which it does

1107
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,299
for diabetes and sometimes also for obesity.

1108
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:17,599
And so and then the person gets hooked

1109
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:18,260
on it.

1110
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,799
And then the insurance says, well, we can't

1111
00:37:20,799 --> 00:37:22,184
afford to keep on paying this, so we're

1112
00:37:22,184 --> 00:37:23,545
gonna take away your insurance. You don't have

1113
00:37:23,545 --> 00:37:24,605
to pay it out of pocket.

1114
00:37:24,905 --> 00:37:26,664
And now they can't afford it, and so

1115
00:37:26,664 --> 00:37:27,864
they go off it, and then they get

1116
00:37:27,864 --> 00:37:30,344
fat again. They get they grow they grow

1117
00:37:30,344 --> 00:37:32,585
back fat. They they lose protein, and they

1118
00:37:32,585 --> 00:37:33,864
and they get back fat. So they end

1119
00:37:33,864 --> 00:37:36,105
up with a higher proportion of fat in

1120
00:37:36,105 --> 00:37:38,460
their body. Yeah. It's just And more weight

1121
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:40,880
than they started with. It's a complete nightmare.

1122
00:37:41,019 --> 00:37:42,460
Is it possible not to see that as

1123
00:37:42,460 --> 00:37:43,820
some kind of a design? You know? And

1124
00:37:43,820 --> 00:37:45,260
I'll there's I'm not gonna name names, but

1125
00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:47,099
those examples of very well known people out

1126
00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:48,619
there going through that process right now on

1127
00:37:48,619 --> 00:37:50,460
camera. You know? And it's it's interesting to

1128
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:52,164
me that it you know? Do do you

1129
00:37:52,164 --> 00:37:53,065
find that dangerous?

1130
00:37:53,444 --> 00:37:55,605
Other than just the obvious danger of that

1131
00:37:55,605 --> 00:37:57,844
happening with your the rapid change in body

1132
00:37:57,844 --> 00:38:00,324
weight and everything else, is there the Ozempic

1133
00:38:00,324 --> 00:38:02,164
or what or whatever other versions of them,

1134
00:38:02,164 --> 00:38:03,364
do you find that to be dangerous to

1135
00:38:03,364 --> 00:38:04,484
the body based on how you feel about

1136
00:38:04,484 --> 00:38:05,844
it? So. I put it right up there

1137
00:38:05,844 --> 00:38:07,489
with statin drugs. I hate the statin drugs,

1138
00:38:07,489 --> 00:38:09,329
and I I wrote about them, you know,

1139
00:38:09,329 --> 00:38:11,489
years ago. That was another big topic of

1140
00:38:11,489 --> 00:38:13,650
mine. I think they're a big mistake. I

1141
00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:15,409
don't think anyone should be taking a statin

1142
00:38:15,409 --> 00:38:18,150
drug. Yeah. And, again, cholesterol is so essential

1143
00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:19,569
for your body. Right. And to think that

1144
00:38:19,569 --> 00:38:21,190
you would take a drug that would actually

1145
00:38:21,385 --> 00:38:23,065
be toxic to the liver to prevent it

1146
00:38:23,065 --> 00:38:25,144
from being able to make cholesterol is just

1147
00:38:25,144 --> 00:38:27,305
insanity in my view. And the science backs

1148
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:28,505
you up. I mean, you were right when

1149
00:38:28,505 --> 00:38:29,945
you made that claim. This but that as

1150
00:38:29,945 --> 00:38:32,905
you've probably documented yourself, peer reviewed science, you

1151
00:38:32,905 --> 00:38:35,224
know, it it's I mean, somebody, who got

1152
00:38:35,224 --> 00:38:36,809
a lot of attention for it during the

1153
00:38:36,809 --> 00:38:38,570
COVID time was doctor Malhotra, who came out

1154
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:40,090
and made that argument as well. But it's

1155
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:41,369
I I mean, do do you do you

1156
00:38:41,369 --> 00:38:42,809
think the body of science backs that up

1157
00:38:42,809 --> 00:38:43,950
and it's just being disregarded?

1158
00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:45,070
Oh, absolutely.

1159
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:46,910
I I think there's no question.

1160
00:38:47,369 --> 00:38:49,050
And and and you look at the number

1161
00:38:49,050 --> 00:38:51,130
needed to treat versus the number needed to

1162
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:52,030
cause harm,

1163
00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:54,625
no question. I mean, I don't I don't

1164
00:38:54,625 --> 00:38:56,385
know that there'd be anybody who would have

1165
00:38:56,385 --> 00:38:58,625
such a bad situation with heart disease that

1166
00:38:58,625 --> 00:39:00,704
that statins would be well motivated. I really

1167
00:39:00,704 --> 00:39:01,204
don't

1168
00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:03,984
for them. You know? Yeah. I think you're

1169
00:39:03,984 --> 00:39:06,085
basically a poison. You're taking a poison.

1170
00:39:06,609 --> 00:39:08,289
Yeah. Well, I mean, isn't that the exact

1171
00:39:08,289 --> 00:39:10,690
reality of of how chemotherapy operates or any

1172
00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:13,170
number? Absolutely. And that's another one I don't

1173
00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:15,250
agree with. You know? I was like, cancer

1174
00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:17,329
cancer is very interesting because I think cancer

1175
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:19,269
is actually and I've written about this.

1176
00:39:20,005 --> 00:39:22,804
Cancer comes about because of too much deuterium

1177
00:39:22,804 --> 00:39:23,625
in the mitochondria.

1178
00:39:24,005 --> 00:39:26,405
Mhmm. And cancer is is a way to

1179
00:39:26,405 --> 00:39:28,405
fight back. It's really, really interesting. When you

1180
00:39:28,405 --> 00:39:30,484
look at a cancer, a tumor and how

1181
00:39:30,484 --> 00:39:31,925
it works, you know that they have this

1182
00:39:31,925 --> 00:39:34,005
very weird metabolism where they take take in

1183
00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:34,905
lots of sugar,

1184
00:39:35,469 --> 00:39:37,550
and they use glycolysis to turn it into

1185
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:38,050
lactate.

1186
00:39:38,349 --> 00:39:39,869
And then they ship out the lactate and

1187
00:39:39,869 --> 00:39:41,710
give it to the to anybody else besides

1188
00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:44,130
themselves if they're unloading a lot of lactate.

1189
00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:46,690
And lactate is a low nutrient nutrient.

1190
00:39:47,204 --> 00:39:49,204
And so and then they have these, immune

1191
00:39:49,204 --> 00:39:51,364
cells that swarm into the tumor environment. You

1192
00:39:51,364 --> 00:39:52,985
know, the immune cells are in there,

1193
00:39:53,285 --> 00:39:55,204
but the tumor tells the immune cells, stand

1194
00:39:55,204 --> 00:39:57,125
down. Stand down. So immune cells refuse to

1195
00:39:57,125 --> 00:39:58,744
fight the tumor. They let it grow.

1196
00:39:59,204 --> 00:40:00,805
And they do that because the tumor is

1197
00:40:00,805 --> 00:40:02,244
giving them all kinds of good stuff to

1198
00:40:02,244 --> 00:40:04,079
help them get well. So I think the

1199
00:40:04,460 --> 00:40:07,099
tumor is actually it's it's it's a the

1200
00:40:07,099 --> 00:40:08,960
tumor shuts down its mitochondria.

1201
00:40:09,819 --> 00:40:11,739
It doesn't use them the way you normally

1202
00:40:11,739 --> 00:40:12,239
would.

1203
00:40:12,539 --> 00:40:14,619
And as a consequence, it's not really sensitive

1204
00:40:14,619 --> 00:40:16,699
to deuterium. So the tumor doesn't mind if

1205
00:40:16,699 --> 00:40:18,655
it gets a lot of deuterium in its

1206
00:40:18,655 --> 00:40:20,755
mitochondria. And it actually concentrates

1207
00:40:21,295 --> 00:40:22,514
deuterium in the cytoplasm,

1208
00:40:22,894 --> 00:40:25,614
and it pumps out deuterium depleted protons into

1209
00:40:25,614 --> 00:40:26,194
the environment

1210
00:40:26,655 --> 00:40:28,414
along with the lactate and other things as

1211
00:40:28,414 --> 00:40:30,034
well. It's it's really the tumor

1212
00:40:30,489 --> 00:40:32,489
is working very hard to try to suck

1213
00:40:32,489 --> 00:40:33,390
up deuterium

1214
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:36,110
and deliver to the rest of the world

1215
00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:38,590
things that are deuterium depleted, water,

1216
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:39,390
nutrients,

1217
00:40:39,849 --> 00:40:40,410
and then the,

1218
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:43,210
the, the immune cells that are hanging out

1219
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:45,050
in the tumor environment, they're not there to

1220
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:46,724
fight the tumor. They're there to take advantage

1221
00:40:46,724 --> 00:40:48,805
of what the tumor is giving them. And

1222
00:40:48,805 --> 00:40:51,204
once they get healed, their mitochondria get healed

1223
00:40:51,204 --> 00:40:52,724
because the tumor has been providing them with

1224
00:40:52,724 --> 00:40:53,545
all this good

1225
00:40:53,845 --> 00:40:55,525
stuff. Now they're strong. They could go fight

1226
00:40:55,525 --> 00:40:57,305
the tumor. So they will fight the tumor

1227
00:40:57,765 --> 00:40:59,730
and clear it out. In fact, the tumor

1228
00:40:59,730 --> 00:41:01,650
cells will decide to shut down once they

1229
00:41:01,650 --> 00:41:02,150
notice

1230
00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:04,690
that they've solved the problem. So the whole

1231
00:41:04,690 --> 00:41:06,929
problem with the tumor How interesting. Is actually

1232
00:41:06,929 --> 00:41:10,449
systemic deuterium toxicity in the mitochondria. So in

1233
00:41:10,449 --> 00:41:12,644
that in that vein of thought, then the

1234
00:41:12,724 --> 00:41:14,724
if then what in in is it the

1235
00:41:14,724 --> 00:41:16,244
the the rest of the toxicity from the

1236
00:41:16,244 --> 00:41:18,244
world that keeps these things becoming a like,

1237
00:41:18,244 --> 00:41:20,005
so if somebody in the world has developed

1238
00:41:20,005 --> 00:41:20,985
cancer and they

1239
00:41:21,445 --> 00:41:23,204
flesh out all the negative things causing it,

1240
00:41:23,204 --> 00:41:24,885
in that vein of thought, it would eventually

1241
00:41:24,885 --> 00:41:27,000
just peter itself out? I think so. I

1242
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,280
think if you just went on to a

1243
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,460
very into a very, very healthy environment,

1244
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,599
if you have cancer and you go to

1245
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,599
a very healthy environment and probably drink detergent

1246
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,079
depleted water, that's actually a very the best

1247
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,079
use for detergent depleted water is to treat

1248
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:40,300
cancer. And and there's,

1249
00:41:41,005 --> 00:41:42,764
Somlyai is I don't know how to pronounce

1250
00:41:42,764 --> 00:41:44,764
it. S o m l y a I.

1251
00:41:44,764 --> 00:41:46,625
He's really the leader in this space.

1252
00:41:47,085 --> 00:41:48,844
And I believe he's in in Hungary or

1253
00:41:48,844 --> 00:41:49,905
something. He's

1254
00:41:50,204 --> 00:41:52,444
been really promoting the idea. And he's written

1255
00:41:52,444 --> 00:41:53,804
a couple of books. I read one of

1256
00:41:53,804 --> 00:41:56,849
his books Showing that he gave these cancer

1257
00:41:56,849 --> 00:41:58,630
patients to turn depleted water

1258
00:41:59,089 --> 00:42:00,769
And it and it really helped them to

1259
00:42:00,769 --> 00:42:03,570
live a lot longer than their predicted life

1260
00:42:03,570 --> 00:42:04,070
lifespan

1261
00:42:04,929 --> 00:42:07,570
Through that water and just the water alone,

1262
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:09,170
you know, but but I think going to

1263
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:09,829
a very

1264
00:42:10,175 --> 00:42:11,855
you know, move to some place where there's

1265
00:42:11,855 --> 00:42:13,934
no toxicities in the air. The air is

1266
00:42:13,934 --> 00:42:16,094
fresh, and the water is fresh, and then

1267
00:42:16,094 --> 00:42:18,414
eat organic food and eat lots of, high

1268
00:42:18,414 --> 00:42:20,675
density high nutrient density foods.

1269
00:42:21,215 --> 00:42:22,894
That's how I would treat a cancer if

1270
00:42:22,894 --> 00:42:24,494
I if I had cancer. That's how I

1271
00:42:24,494 --> 00:42:25,394
would treat it.

1272
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:27,739
Interesting. Yeah. I mean and, you know, back

1273
00:42:27,739 --> 00:42:29,500
to the the obvious, you know, starting point

1274
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:30,800
of today is that what we're

1275
00:42:31,099 --> 00:42:32,880
leaning into now is is

1276
00:42:33,179 --> 00:42:33,679
scientifically

1277
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:36,539
shown repeatedly to be causing cancer. And so

1278
00:42:36,699 --> 00:42:38,960
Yeah. I mean, the the chemotherapy causes cancer.

1279
00:42:39,385 --> 00:42:40,825
And and and also, if you think about

1280
00:42:40,825 --> 00:42:42,985
it, it what it they target the chemotherapy

1281
00:42:42,985 --> 00:42:45,805
towards cells that proliferate because cancer cells proliferate,

1282
00:42:46,184 --> 00:42:47,565
but the immune cells proliferate

1283
00:42:48,265 --> 00:42:49,945
too. You know, they're they're cells that had

1284
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:51,005
do a lot of proliferation.

1285
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:53,829
And so they the the chemotherapy is very

1286
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:56,070
sent is very dangerous, very damaging to the

1287
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:58,309
immune cells. And so it's killing off the

1288
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:59,849
immune cells in the tumor

1289
00:43:00,389 --> 00:43:02,230
that are there to fight the tumor if

1290
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:03,369
they can fix their mitochondria.

1291
00:43:03,775 --> 00:43:05,614
And and the tumor will fix their mitochondria

1292
00:43:05,614 --> 00:43:06,894
if they let it. So in other words,

1293
00:43:06,894 --> 00:43:07,875
you're killing off

1294
00:43:08,175 --> 00:43:10,094
both the source, which is the tumor of

1295
00:43:10,094 --> 00:43:11,554
the deuterium depleted nutrients,

1296
00:43:12,094 --> 00:43:14,414
and the machinery to fight the tumor if

1297
00:43:14,414 --> 00:43:15,695
you could fix that problem. So in other

1298
00:43:15,695 --> 00:43:17,534
words, you're doing the exact opposite thing from

1299
00:43:17,534 --> 00:43:18,755
what you should be doing

1300
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:20,110
in taking chemotherapy

1301
00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:22,570
to try to cure the cancer. It's very

1302
00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:24,410
counterintuitive, but what you need to be doing

1303
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:27,050
is fix the immune system. Right. Exactly. Way

1304
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:29,050
you fix it is by providing it with

1305
00:43:29,050 --> 00:43:31,289
low deuterium nutrients. Absolutely. So eat a high

1306
00:43:31,289 --> 00:43:31,949
fat diet,

1307
00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:34,375
drink deuterium depleted water, get out in the

1308
00:43:34,375 --> 00:43:36,375
sunlight because that can actually help to stimulate

1309
00:43:36,375 --> 00:43:38,054
a lot of good things. The sunlight is

1310
00:43:38,054 --> 00:43:39,514
very, very health health giving.

1311
00:43:39,815 --> 00:43:41,655
And as you just described, you know, the

1312
00:43:41,655 --> 00:43:43,734
kind of a scorched earth attack, you know,

1313
00:43:43,734 --> 00:43:45,494
it it in many cases can wipe out

1314
00:43:45,494 --> 00:43:46,855
the cancer as well, but this is why

1315
00:43:46,855 --> 00:43:48,780
it comes swinging back around in about six

1316
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:50,140
months. Of course, they only map it to

1317
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:51,980
four and go, hey. Success. It's gone. And

1318
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:54,460
then it's It forces, the the tumor to

1319
00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:56,460
to metastasize is what it does. So the

1320
00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:58,400
chemo increases the risk of metastasis,

1321
00:43:58,780 --> 00:44:01,360
and metastasis is what ultimately kills you,

1322
00:44:02,085 --> 00:44:02,585
usually.

1323
00:44:02,885 --> 00:44:04,565
Yeah. That well, I was just simply pointing

1324
00:44:04,565 --> 00:44:06,164
out that that the what what you described

1325
00:44:06,164 --> 00:44:07,445
there creates the you know, because it wipes

1326
00:44:07,445 --> 00:44:09,204
out everything as well. It it just causes

1327
00:44:09,364 --> 00:44:11,125
and, of course, if you do not box

1328
00:44:11,125 --> 00:44:12,724
out all the negative things that caused in

1329
00:44:12,724 --> 00:44:14,565
the first place, it just inevitably comes back

1330
00:44:14,565 --> 00:44:15,844
around. And that's what it seems to be

1331
00:44:15,844 --> 00:44:17,809
the the usual cycle of people in this

1332
00:44:17,890 --> 00:44:19,329
the world, it seems, but more so in

1333
00:44:19,329 --> 00:44:21,010
this country than anywhere I can see where

1334
00:44:21,010 --> 00:44:22,550
it just becomes a usual process.

1335
00:44:22,929 --> 00:44:23,730
I I don't know off the top of

1336
00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:25,010
your head. You know, last time I checked,

1337
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:26,769
the numbers were something like one in every

1338
00:44:26,769 --> 00:44:28,289
two people in this country will get cancer

1339
00:44:28,289 --> 00:44:30,369
before they die. It's so frightening. It's really

1340
00:44:30,369 --> 00:44:31,429
frightening. Yeah.

1341
00:44:31,855 --> 00:44:33,934
It it's sad. And and and we've so

1342
00:44:33,934 --> 00:44:34,434
poorly

1343
00:44:35,375 --> 00:44:38,815
our understanding that the the the pharmaceutical industry's

1344
00:44:38,815 --> 00:44:40,974
understanding of cancer is completely broken. Also, of

1345
00:44:40,974 --> 00:44:43,135
course, Alzheimer's disease, that's another one where they're

1346
00:44:43,135 --> 00:44:45,235
putting these drugs together that are not useful.

1347
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:47,730
And they're they're totally focused on amyloid beta,

1348
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:49,510
which is the wrong place to focus for

1349
00:44:49,809 --> 00:44:51,969
Alzheimer's disease. They don't get anything right. I

1350
00:44:51,969 --> 00:44:53,349
don't it does look like

1351
00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:55,890
they're intentionally trying to figure out a way

1352
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:57,650
to fool us into thinking that they're treating

1353
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:58,150
something

1354
00:44:58,655 --> 00:45:00,574
and get us to buy these expensive chemicals

1355
00:45:00,574 --> 00:45:02,574
that aren't working. I mean, it just it's

1356
00:45:02,574 --> 00:45:05,614
just insane. It really is. I agree. Well,

1357
00:45:05,614 --> 00:45:06,355
what other,

1358
00:45:06,894 --> 00:45:08,755
you know, because we talked about cancer, obviously,

1359
00:45:08,974 --> 00:45:10,994
and that's one of the most obvious points

1360
00:45:11,135 --> 00:45:13,380
in around glyphosate or any others. But what

1361
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:13,859
other,

1362
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:18,119
other ailments do you feel are being potentially

1363
00:45:18,179 --> 00:45:21,139
caused by specifically glyphosate, but we can broaden

1364
00:45:21,139 --> 00:45:22,659
it into the larger point of what these

1365
00:45:22,659 --> 00:45:24,739
things are, herbicide, pesticide. But, you know, in

1366
00:45:24,739 --> 00:45:25,799
your mind from glyphosate,

1367
00:45:26,579 --> 00:45:27,079
other

1368
00:45:27,954 --> 00:45:29,394
ailments that are being caused? And then on

1369
00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:30,994
top of that, are there other things that

1370
00:45:30,994 --> 00:45:32,755
are being used that you feel are are

1371
00:45:32,755 --> 00:45:34,514
adding to that that, you know, this kind

1372
00:45:34,514 --> 00:45:36,835
of synergistic problem? Well, what I'd like to

1373
00:45:36,835 --> 00:45:39,394
talk about is glyphosate and melatonin because that

1374
00:45:39,394 --> 00:45:41,234
is where I've really centered lately. And I'm

1375
00:45:41,315 --> 00:45:42,454
I've just written a

1376
00:45:42,949 --> 00:45:44,469
Draft of a chapter for a book that

1377
00:45:44,469 --> 00:45:46,150
don Hubert is going to be editing the

1378
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:47,849
editor of a book on glyphosate

1379
00:45:48,389 --> 00:45:50,389
And and so we I've very this is

1380
00:45:50,389 --> 00:45:52,069
very fresh on my mind, but I've really

1381
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:53,369
come to an epiphany

1382
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:55,210
lately

1383
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:57,769
that glyphosate disruption of melatonin

1384
00:45:58,565 --> 00:46:00,425
is central to glyphosate's toxicity.

1385
00:46:00,724 --> 00:46:02,265
Mhmm. Melatonin. And so,

1386
00:46:02,805 --> 00:46:03,605
and and glyphosate

1387
00:46:04,724 --> 00:46:06,724
so first of all, melatonin is also very,

1388
00:46:06,724 --> 00:46:08,425
very interesting. And as you know, melatonin

1389
00:46:08,805 --> 00:46:11,125
produced by the pineal gland at night, it

1390
00:46:11,125 --> 00:46:12,905
it regulates the wake sleep cycle.

1391
00:46:13,369 --> 00:46:14,969
Lots and lots of people sleep disorder is

1392
00:46:14,969 --> 00:46:16,730
one of the diseases one of the conditions

1393
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:17,789
that's going up dramatically

1394
00:46:18,329 --> 00:46:21,289
in matched to glyphosate use going up, you

1395
00:46:21,289 --> 00:46:22,590
know, very strong match.

1396
00:46:22,969 --> 00:46:25,050
And, and so sleep disorder is it's also

1397
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:27,530
connected to autism, and many people are suffering

1398
00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:28,429
from sleep disorder.

1399
00:46:28,944 --> 00:46:29,684
And melatonin

1400
00:46:29,984 --> 00:46:32,964
is critical for regulating the wake sleep cycle.

1401
00:46:33,585 --> 00:46:36,784
The pineal gland, is getting damaged by glyphosate.

1402
00:46:36,784 --> 00:46:38,545
And I've written a paper about this where

1403
00:46:38,545 --> 00:46:40,964
glyphosate chelates aluminum in the gut

1404
00:46:41,309 --> 00:46:43,150
and and carries it across the gut barrier,

1405
00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:44,590
takes it up to the brain. The pineal

1406
00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:46,430
gland is outside of the brain blood brain

1407
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:48,910
barrier, and the pineal gland tends to accumulate

1408
00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:50,430
a lot more aluminum than other parts of

1409
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:51,730
the brain, you know, anyway.

1410
00:46:52,030 --> 00:46:54,974
But glyphosate delivers aluminum to the pineal gland,

1411
00:46:55,375 --> 00:46:56,894
And the pineal gland gets more and more

1412
00:46:56,894 --> 00:46:58,114
aluminum as you get older,

1413
00:46:58,414 --> 00:47:00,015
and the aluminum wrecks it, and then the

1414
00:47:00,015 --> 00:47:02,015
pineal gland can't can't work, and it can't

1415
00:47:02,015 --> 00:47:03,235
deliver the the melatonin.

1416
00:47:03,535 --> 00:47:05,875
Worse than that, the melatonin itself is compromised

1417
00:47:05,934 --> 00:47:06,595
by glyphosate.

1418
00:47:07,055 --> 00:47:08,894
Now melatonin is a product of the shikimate

1419
00:47:08,894 --> 00:47:09,394
pathway.

1420
00:47:10,359 --> 00:47:12,760
Tryptophan comes from the shikimate pathway, which glyphosate

1421
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,260
blocks.

1422
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,559
The micros can't make enough tryptophan. You have

1423
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:16,699
a tryptophan deficiency,

1424
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,079
and that's gonna lead to a melatonin deficiency

1425
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:21,159
because you need tryptophan as a precursor to

1426
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:21,659
melatonin.

1427
00:47:22,144 --> 00:47:23,984
On top of that, this is a really

1428
00:47:23,984 --> 00:47:26,144
interesting part that I had I only figured

1429
00:47:26,144 --> 00:47:28,464
out the last couple years maybe. And I

1430
00:47:28,464 --> 00:47:29,764
have a paper on that that's

1431
00:47:30,304 --> 00:47:32,304
available. It's a preprint and is under review

1432
00:47:32,304 --> 00:47:33,664
right now, so I'm hoping to get that

1433
00:47:33,664 --> 00:47:34,164
published

1434
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:37,219
on melatonin and the unique aspect of it,

1435
00:47:37,219 --> 00:47:39,159
which has to do with the methylation pathways.

1436
00:47:39,699 --> 00:47:41,460
And it's really fascinating. Let me see if

1437
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:42,659
I can explain this to you because, you

1438
00:47:42,659 --> 00:47:44,360
know, you think of the pineal gland

1439
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:47,079
as the source of melatonin in the body.

1440
00:47:47,539 --> 00:47:47,860
And,

1441
00:47:48,704 --> 00:47:50,465
but what you don't realize is that the

1442
00:47:50,465 --> 00:47:51,905
gut mic in the micro

1443
00:47:52,465 --> 00:47:54,505
not the gut micros, but the but the

1444
00:47:54,704 --> 00:47:57,105
and the cells in the gut, the human

1445
00:47:57,105 --> 00:47:59,765
cells in the gut, produce 400

1446
00:47:59,825 --> 00:48:00,965
times as much

1447
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,820
melatonin as the as the pineal gland does.

1448
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,380
400 times as much. And that melatonin

1449
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,059
is shipped to the liver,

1450
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,320
and the liver metabolizes it. And and one

1451
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,640
of the with cyp enzymes, cytochrome p four

1452
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,380
fifty enzymes.

1453
00:48:14,934 --> 00:48:17,275
And one of those enzymes converts, melatonin

1454
00:48:17,574 --> 00:48:19,014
back to the thing that it came from.

1455
00:48:19,014 --> 00:48:20,694
So in other words, there's a it comes

1456
00:48:20,694 --> 00:48:21,434
from serotonin,

1457
00:48:22,214 --> 00:48:22,954
and serotonin,

1458
00:48:23,494 --> 00:48:24,714
it goes to acetylserotonin

1459
00:48:25,574 --> 00:48:27,414
and then to melatonin in two steps. And

1460
00:48:27,414 --> 00:48:29,920
the and the the enzyme that converts acetylserotonin

1461
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:31,599
to melatonin,

1462
00:48:33,179 --> 00:48:34,460
is in the gut, and that's the one

1463
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:36,219
how they make the melatonin. And that comes

1464
00:48:36,219 --> 00:48:38,139
from the tryptophan, which is deficient because of

1465
00:48:38,139 --> 00:48:38,639
glyphosate.

1466
00:48:39,099 --> 00:48:40,779
The melatonin gets shipped to the liver. The

1467
00:48:40,779 --> 00:48:43,260
liver consumes the meth it's an extra methyl

1468
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:44,764
group that's added

1469
00:48:45,065 --> 00:48:45,964
to the melatonin

1470
00:48:46,984 --> 00:48:48,664
through that and and so that through that

1471
00:48:48,664 --> 00:48:50,984
reaction. Mhmm. And that methyl group gets taken

1472
00:48:50,984 --> 00:48:52,125
off by the liver

1473
00:48:52,664 --> 00:48:55,385
and and metabolize completely to carbon dioxide and

1474
00:48:55,385 --> 00:48:57,730
to four molecules of water. And that water

1475
00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:59,650
is gonna be deuterium depleted because the methyl

1476
00:48:59,650 --> 00:49:01,329
group is deuterium depleted. So in other words,

1477
00:49:01,329 --> 00:49:03,110
the methyls are produced by the microbes

1478
00:49:03,969 --> 00:49:05,969
from the from the hydrogen gas, so that

1479
00:49:05,969 --> 00:49:07,750
makes the methyls very low in deuterium.

1480
00:49:08,369 --> 00:49:10,484
And then the methyls are attached to meth

1481
00:49:10,724 --> 00:49:12,404
to methionine. You have this acetyl

1482
00:49:13,444 --> 00:49:16,184
SAMe is the universal methyl donor.

1483
00:49:16,484 --> 00:49:18,484
But the but that methyl came you can

1484
00:49:18,484 --> 00:49:19,844
trace it back to the microbes. You can

1485
00:49:19,844 --> 00:49:21,204
trace it back to the hydrogen gas. So

1486
00:49:21,204 --> 00:49:22,344
it's very low in deuterium.

1487
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:25,250
And the, and that's why the methylation pathways

1488
00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:27,409
are so important because they're there's the methyls

1489
00:49:27,409 --> 00:49:29,170
are shipped all over the place and attached

1490
00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:30,690
to all kinds of things, the DNA, the

1491
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:31,670
RNA, the proteins.

1492
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:33,510
It's a storage,

1493
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:36,704
mechanism for the methyls. But the methyls are

1494
00:49:36,704 --> 00:49:37,684
attached to

1495
00:49:37,984 --> 00:49:39,284
serotonin to make melatonin,

1496
00:49:39,904 --> 00:49:41,764
and then the methyls are taken off

1497
00:49:42,224 --> 00:49:44,704
of the melatonin and turned into four molecules

1498
00:49:44,704 --> 00:49:46,085
of deuterium depleted water.

1499
00:49:46,784 --> 00:49:48,704
And that helps the liver to keep its

1500
00:49:48,704 --> 00:49:49,025
its,

1501
00:49:49,664 --> 00:49:52,650
levels low, its levels of deuterium low. And

1502
00:49:52,650 --> 00:49:54,889
more than that, every almost most of the

1503
00:49:54,889 --> 00:49:55,949
cells in the body

1504
00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:57,469
make their own melatonin,

1505
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,929
and then they consume it. They make the

1506
00:49:59,929 --> 00:50:02,090
melatonin. They convert it back to serotonin back

1507
00:50:02,090 --> 00:50:02,989
back and forth,

1508
00:50:03,344 --> 00:50:03,844
Endocetylserotonin

1509
00:50:04,385 --> 00:50:05,844
to melatonin, back to endocetylserotonin,

1510
00:50:06,385 --> 00:50:07,744
back to melatonin, back and forth, back and

1511
00:50:07,744 --> 00:50:09,505
forth. And every time they do that, they

1512
00:50:09,505 --> 00:50:11,824
produce four molecules of deuterium depleted water in

1513
00:50:11,824 --> 00:50:12,405
the mitochondria

1514
00:50:13,105 --> 00:50:14,804
in pretty much all the cells.

1515
00:50:15,659 --> 00:50:17,420
And and this is something that's only become,

1516
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:20,300
researchers have only become aware of this recently.

1517
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:22,219
And and so far, nobody's connected it to

1518
00:50:22,219 --> 00:50:23,440
deuterium except me.

1519
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:25,819
But that's what I think is going on.

1520
00:50:25,819 --> 00:50:29,280
The melatonin is extremely important for distributing deuterium

1521
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:30,639
depleted water

1522
00:50:31,034 --> 00:50:32,255
to to the whole body.

1523
00:50:32,795 --> 00:50:34,815
This is bad. And that and and melatonin

1524
00:50:34,954 --> 00:50:36,714
does that, and it's and it's taken back

1525
00:50:36,714 --> 00:50:39,114
from the gut microbes without hydrogen gas. And

1526
00:50:39,114 --> 00:50:40,255
glyphosate disrupts

1527
00:50:40,635 --> 00:50:42,155
many of the enzymes that are involved in

1528
00:50:42,155 --> 00:50:44,234
that process, including the cytochrome p four fifty

1529
00:50:44,234 --> 00:50:46,110
enzymes, which are the critical ones that actually

1530
00:50:46,269 --> 00:50:47,329
metabolize the melatonin,

1531
00:50:48,110 --> 00:50:49,710
you know, and and get and produce the

1532
00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:50,610
deuterium capillars.

1533
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:53,809
Glyphosate suppresses cytochrome p four fifty enzymes

1534
00:50:54,110 --> 00:50:54,849
in the liver.

1535
00:50:55,309 --> 00:50:57,710
So you you killed that right away. So

1536
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:59,710
you you killed the melatonin on both sides.

1537
00:50:59,710 --> 00:51:01,630
You can't make it, and you can't metabolize

1538
00:51:01,630 --> 00:51:03,664
it. And and you said it also alters

1539
00:51:03,724 --> 00:51:05,885
the melatonin itself that it's you know, that

1540
00:51:05,965 --> 00:51:07,805
so basically, all around, it is it is

1541
00:51:07,805 --> 00:51:09,585
affecting that that entire process.

1542
00:51:09,965 --> 00:51:11,885
And so and what are the outcomes of

1543
00:51:11,885 --> 00:51:14,525
that? You said sleep disorder. Anything disorder. Yeah.

1544
00:51:14,525 --> 00:51:16,285
But melatonin if you look at the literature,

1545
00:51:16,285 --> 00:51:17,805
there is just a huge number of papers.

1546
00:51:17,805 --> 00:51:19,159
I I I keep finding new

1547
00:51:19,859 --> 00:51:21,880
ones going and going back quite a while,

1548
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:23,480
but especially recently.

1549
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:25,719
So many papers trying to figure out melatonin

1550
00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:27,780
is is pure god. I mean, it's like

1551
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:28,280
so

1552
00:51:29,219 --> 00:51:31,880
many cancers are associated with melatonin deficiency.

1553
00:51:32,704 --> 00:51:35,184
Many cancers. And and, of course, autism, is

1554
00:51:35,184 --> 00:51:37,525
associated with melatonin deficiency, sleep disorder.

1555
00:51:38,465 --> 00:51:40,945
Melatonin is important also for the GLP one

1556
00:51:40,945 --> 00:51:41,664
thing. So,

1557
00:51:42,054 --> 00:51:43,364
the diabetes, obesity.

1558
00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:47,050
Melatonin protects from obesity. I mean, it's just

1559
00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:49,769
incredible, and it it has a antioxidant capability.

1560
00:51:49,769 --> 00:51:52,090
It can actually soak up the free radicals

1561
00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:53,849
that are produced by the mitochondria. So the

1562
00:51:53,849 --> 00:51:54,349
mitochondria,

1563
00:51:54,889 --> 00:51:56,650
they like to have melatonin, and they have

1564
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:59,784
a lot. They actually accumulate my mitochondria. Mitochondria

1565
00:52:00,085 --> 00:52:02,424
accumulate melatonin against the concentration gradient.

1566
00:52:02,885 --> 00:52:05,224
They have a lot more than the cytoplasm

1567
00:52:05,444 --> 00:52:07,204
around them. They know how to suck it

1568
00:52:07,204 --> 00:52:08,885
up. You know? So they'll take it in,

1569
00:52:08,885 --> 00:52:10,744
but they'll also make it. The the mitochondria

1570
00:52:10,964 --> 00:52:13,144
have have the capability of making the melatonin

1571
00:52:13,659 --> 00:52:15,260
and of breaking it down. So they go

1572
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:16,699
through this cycle back and forth, back and

1573
00:52:16,699 --> 00:52:19,260
forth. What they're doing is metabolizing those methyl

1574
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:21,900
groups and turning them into detergent depleted water

1575
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:22,719
in the mitochondria.

1576
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:25,099
And that is so crucial for mitochondrial health.

1577
00:52:25,099 --> 00:52:26,460
It's right up there with glutathione. You know?

1578
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:28,974
And glutathione actually does a similar thing. Doesn't

1579
00:52:28,974 --> 00:52:30,894
that make your point for you about the

1580
00:52:30,894 --> 00:52:32,815
the water point? That if that's what your

1581
00:52:32,815 --> 00:52:35,454
body's doing naturally, then therefore, that's obviously something

1582
00:52:35,454 --> 00:52:37,155
that we should be seeking out in life?

1583
00:52:37,695 --> 00:52:39,534
Of course. Yeah. I mean, people are well

1584
00:52:39,534 --> 00:52:41,214
aware that melatonin is incredibly,

1585
00:52:42,429 --> 00:52:42,929
beneficial

1586
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:44,849
in in to the mitochondria.

1587
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:47,550
I meant I meant And also deleted water

1588
00:52:47,550 --> 00:52:49,469
you were referring Oh, the germ deuterium depleted

1589
00:52:49,469 --> 00:52:51,309
water. Yeah. That's what melatonin is making for

1590
00:52:51,309 --> 00:52:52,829
the mitochondria. So that would make you think

1591
00:52:52,829 --> 00:52:54,269
that you might even wanna give them some

1592
00:52:54,269 --> 00:52:56,635
deuterium depleted water. Absolutely. Right. Your body doing

1593
00:52:56,635 --> 00:52:58,474
it itself. Clearly, that's an indication that it's

1594
00:52:58,474 --> 00:53:00,315
something that we could probably do to benefit

1595
00:53:00,315 --> 00:53:01,994
ourselves. If I stand back and look at

1596
00:53:01,994 --> 00:53:03,855
all of what you're discussing today,

1597
00:53:04,795 --> 00:53:06,235
as we've already pointed out more than once

1598
00:53:06,235 --> 00:53:07,755
that it feels deliberate, but it's like you

1599
00:53:07,914 --> 00:53:09,275
I can't help but think if somebody was

1600
00:53:09,275 --> 00:53:10,815
like, okay, I'm gonna design

1601
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:13,420
this in a way that basically just attacked

1602
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:13,920
every

1603
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:17,019
biological funk, you know, organic process of our

1604
00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:19,099
body. It just feels like it's it's clearly

1605
00:53:19,099 --> 00:53:20,619
cutting at the base of all these things,

1606
00:53:20,619 --> 00:53:21,900
and then each one of them seem to

1607
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:23,875
interconnect with each other. I I don't know

1608
00:53:23,875 --> 00:53:25,235
how you don't look at that as an

1609
00:53:25,235 --> 00:53:26,914
individual out there and see that there's some

1610
00:53:26,914 --> 00:53:29,635
level of conscious thought put into how that

1611
00:53:29,635 --> 00:53:31,474
works. That's my opinion. Right? And I feel

1612
00:53:31,474 --> 00:53:32,755
like in some way you'd agree with that,

1613
00:53:32,755 --> 00:53:34,275
but I we should all question that because

1614
00:53:34,275 --> 00:53:36,380
that's an opinion. But to me, it feels

1615
00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:37,900
deliberate. And I think all of this I

1616
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:39,260
mean, and I go back to the beginning

1617
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:41,260
of why that's happening now. And, you know,

1618
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:43,180
I I grapple with whether I think the

1619
00:53:43,180 --> 00:53:44,000
current administration

1620
00:53:44,619 --> 00:53:46,619
is trying to do what it can within

1621
00:53:46,619 --> 00:53:48,460
a broken system or whether it's being you

1622
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:49,900
know, I I just I I look at

1623
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:51,635
the outcome, and what I see is a

1624
00:53:51,635 --> 00:53:53,635
continual direction going in the wrong way. And

1625
00:53:53,635 --> 00:53:55,635
I, you know, I think that your work

1626
00:53:55,635 --> 00:53:56,855
and all of this has become

1627
00:53:57,474 --> 00:53:59,394
more relevant than ever because people are starting

1628
00:53:59,394 --> 00:54:00,594
to come back around to see how right

1629
00:54:00,594 --> 00:54:02,275
you've been the entire time. And this is

1630
00:54:02,275 --> 00:54:04,530
just one point of one point, excuse me,

1631
00:54:04,610 --> 00:54:06,690
of glyphosate. Now imagine all the other things

1632
00:54:06,690 --> 00:54:09,190
that Stephanie's discussed or any other group about

1633
00:54:09,409 --> 00:54:11,010
the health issues that we're hiding from and

1634
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:12,530
that RFK and, you know, all the rest

1635
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:14,289
are suddenly kind of walking back away from

1636
00:54:14,289 --> 00:54:16,610
for whatever reason. You know? Yeah. Well, they

1637
00:54:16,610 --> 00:54:19,155
have a tremendous pressure from the industry.

1638
00:54:19,695 --> 00:54:21,775
The pharmaceutical industry really has controlled the government

1639
00:54:21,775 --> 00:54:22,434
for so

1640
00:54:22,735 --> 00:54:25,715
long. And you see still people criticizing RFK,

1641
00:54:25,775 --> 00:54:28,175
fiercely criticizing him. I mean, it's just amazing

1642
00:54:28,175 --> 00:54:30,494
to me that people can't see that he's

1643
00:54:30,494 --> 00:54:32,380
he's on the right path. You know? Trust

1644
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:34,619
him. Let him go. And Trump has been

1645
00:54:34,619 --> 00:54:35,119
remarkably

1646
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:37,840
willing to let RFK Jr.

1647
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:40,219
Go wild is what he had said. And

1648
00:54:40,219 --> 00:54:41,820
I think he's kind of honored that. But

1649
00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:43,659
there's just, like, so much resistance from the

1650
00:54:43,659 --> 00:54:45,579
pharmaceutical industry and also, of course, from the

1651
00:54:45,579 --> 00:54:46,079
farmers

1652
00:54:46,474 --> 00:54:48,554
because they can't envision how they could do

1653
00:54:48,554 --> 00:54:49,855
agriculture without glyphosate.

1654
00:54:50,795 --> 00:54:52,474
They they need to they need to figure

1655
00:54:52,474 --> 00:54:54,315
that out. And and certainly, the government should

1656
00:54:54,315 --> 00:54:57,515
be investing money in regenerative agriculture because we

1657
00:54:57,515 --> 00:54:58,655
need to fix the soil.

1658
00:54:59,139 --> 00:55:00,579
And if we fix the soil, we fix

1659
00:55:00,579 --> 00:55:02,099
the plants. The plants actually will be more

1660
00:55:02,099 --> 00:55:04,039
resistant to the insects and to the fungus.

1661
00:55:04,340 --> 00:55:06,099
Yeah. So we we get these other problems

1662
00:55:06,099 --> 00:55:08,760
because of glyphosate. Glyphosate causes the fungus problem.

1663
00:55:09,460 --> 00:55:10,820
Right. That's one part we didn't even get

1664
00:55:10,820 --> 00:55:12,344
into about the I mean, you mentioned it,

1665
00:55:12,344 --> 00:55:13,704
but we didn't get in-depth in regard to

1666
00:55:13,704 --> 00:55:15,465
how it destroys the soil itself and how

1667
00:55:15,465 --> 00:55:17,224
that causes these fiber. You did mention it,

1668
00:55:17,224 --> 00:55:18,585
but there's a whole point we can get

1669
00:55:18,585 --> 00:55:20,105
into on all that. But, you know, I

1670
00:55:20,105 --> 00:55:21,724
I I will say I I I appreciate

1671
00:55:21,864 --> 00:55:24,505
your object your I'm still the objectivity, obviously,

1672
00:55:24,505 --> 00:55:26,505
but your optimism, excuse me, in regard to

1673
00:55:26,505 --> 00:55:28,840
the, Trump administration. I I I mean, I

1674
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,739
I happen to disagree

1675
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,119
my personal opinion on where I think they're

1676
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:34,280
going. I don't Well, it is true that

1677
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,440
Trump and and and RFK are not on

1678
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,519
the same page. It's pretty clear with respect

1679
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:39,260
to agriculture.

1680
00:55:39,664 --> 00:55:41,025
I'd like to put, though, that what you're

1681
00:55:41,025 --> 00:55:42,464
saying is the truth. Like, I'd like to

1682
00:55:42,545 --> 00:55:43,744
you know, I I have hope that that

1683
00:55:43,744 --> 00:55:45,505
at some point that because, look, we can

1684
00:55:45,505 --> 00:55:47,344
all acknowledge that they're clearly maneuvering through a

1685
00:55:47,344 --> 00:55:49,905
ridiculously broken system. And so if this ends

1686
00:55:49,905 --> 00:55:51,585
up in a in a point, you know,

1687
00:55:51,585 --> 00:55:53,744
regardless of the the the current reality, you

1688
00:55:53,744 --> 00:55:55,719
know, I'll praise the the positive action. I

1689
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,420
just can't I have a hard time seeing

1690
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,480
a a Well, I'll tell you one thing

1691
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,880
is it's it's bringing bringing it to light.

1692
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,320
I mean, so many more people know about

1693
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,559
glyphosate now than did before. Right? It's bringing

1694
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:06,940
it to light. So in a way,

1695
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:10,855
negative news is actually a way to publicize

1696
00:56:10,994 --> 00:56:11,655
the problem

1697
00:56:12,114 --> 00:56:13,635
and then to get people to listen to

1698
00:56:13,635 --> 00:56:15,234
people like me who are telling them, look.

1699
00:56:15,234 --> 00:56:16,835
This is true. This is a problem. We

1700
00:56:16,835 --> 00:56:17,954
have to fix it. You know? And if

1701
00:56:17,954 --> 00:56:19,255
you get enough people interested

1702
00:56:19,954 --> 00:56:22,194
in, and and they can personally change their

1703
00:56:22,194 --> 00:56:24,434
lifestyle by buying certified organic food. That's what

1704
00:56:24,434 --> 00:56:25,559
I do. When we shop at the grocery

1705
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:27,820
store, we buy only certified organic food.

1706
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,719
And if you do that too, you'll be

1707
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,960
healthier. I can guarantee it. I agree. And

1708
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,440
that you're right. That's definitely an obviously positive

1709
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,960
byproduct of all of this. But it's you

1710
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,559
know, why it got there, that that's for

1711
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:39,320
everyone to decide for themselves. But regardless, I'm

1712
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:40,519
glad people are looking at your work and

1713
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:42,494
understanding the problem. But I think it just

1714
00:56:42,574 --> 00:56:43,934
it it amounts it ends up it it

1715
00:56:43,934 --> 00:56:45,454
really depends on where it ends up. You

1716
00:56:45,454 --> 00:56:47,694
know? And I'd I'd like I'm gonna, as

1717
00:56:47,694 --> 00:56:49,694
always, be objective and wait for the outcome.

1718
00:56:49,694 --> 00:56:51,054
You know? But there's been a lot of

1719
00:56:51,054 --> 00:56:53,214
lot of moves that have kind of went

1720
00:56:53,214 --> 00:56:54,815
back to the direction. And, you know, whether

1721
00:56:54,815 --> 00:56:56,579
it's industry or not, all I care about

1722
00:56:56,579 --> 00:56:58,340
is as as you've been fighting for is

1723
00:56:58,340 --> 00:57:00,340
the positive outcome, the health, the the reality

1724
00:57:00,340 --> 00:57:02,500
of our system, you know, what our health

1725
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,099
could be like if we weren't being doused

1726
00:57:04,099 --> 00:57:05,380
with all this stuff. And we could talk

1727
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:07,619
about dioxins and PFAS and just, you know,

1728
00:57:07,619 --> 00:57:08,275
all the different things that we can do.

1729
00:57:08,275 --> 00:57:08,775
Yes.

1730
00:57:10,594 --> 00:57:12,914
It seems pretty hopeless. Sometimes you just wonder

1731
00:57:12,914 --> 00:57:14,835
how you can possibly stay alive in this

1732
00:57:14,835 --> 00:57:16,695
toxic world. It's really frustrating.

1733
00:57:17,074 --> 00:57:19,394
Seriously. And you have no control over it.

1734
00:57:19,394 --> 00:57:20,034
It's really,

1735
00:57:20,514 --> 00:57:22,695
it's I feel sorry for people who live

1736
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:24,640
next door to a farm where they're using

1737
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,239
glyphosate, you know, and they just can't get

1738
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:27,699
away from it. Seriously.

1739
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,679
Yeah. And on that note, I'll I'll I'll

1740
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:31,440
rep I hope people will look into your

1741
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,519
work because not only do you talk about

1742
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:35,679
the obvious problems and the research behind science

1743
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,519
behind it, but what path people can take

1744
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:38,934
to to solve that. And so maybe we

1745
00:57:38,934 --> 00:57:40,375
can end on that. Is there you know,

1746
00:57:40,375 --> 00:57:41,594
with all we're discussing,

1747
00:57:42,214 --> 00:57:44,614
is is there, you know, a direction or

1748
00:57:44,614 --> 00:57:46,295
a site or an item or something you

1749
00:57:46,295 --> 00:57:48,855
could direct people to that might give them,

1750
00:57:48,855 --> 00:57:50,614
you know, something to fight back? You know?

1751
00:57:50,614 --> 00:57:52,214
Well, I I have a web web page,

1752
00:57:52,214 --> 00:57:54,380
stephaniestephaniesenate.net.

1753
00:57:54,539 --> 00:57:56,220
They could check that out. I have links

1754
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:56,860
to various,

1755
00:57:57,340 --> 00:57:59,920
interviews and whatnot there, papers that I've written.

1756
00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:03,739
Yeah. I'm really, I'm really excited with what

1757
00:58:03,739 --> 00:58:05,820
I'm figuring out lately. I'm very excited about

1758
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:07,920
it, and it's frustrating that I have to

1759
00:58:08,465 --> 00:58:11,344
fight so hard against, everybody else to convince

1760
00:58:11,344 --> 00:58:13,425
them that I'm right about this toxicity of

1761
00:58:13,425 --> 00:58:16,065
glyphosate because I think it's the most dangerous

1762
00:58:16,065 --> 00:58:17,824
chemical in our environment today. And we have

1763
00:58:17,824 --> 00:58:19,425
a lot of dangerous chemicals, but I think

1764
00:58:19,425 --> 00:58:21,824
glyphosate is number one, partly because we think

1765
00:58:21,824 --> 00:58:22,485
it's safe

1766
00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:24,400
and partly because it's pervasive

1767
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:26,220
in our food supply, in our water, in

1768
00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:27,739
the in the in the rain, you know,

1769
00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:28,640
in in the air.

1770
00:58:29,019 --> 00:58:31,900
It's it's everywhere. We can't avoid it. Yeah.

1771
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:33,660
And because we think it's safe, we don't,

1772
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:36,385
the government doesn't, try to stop it. So,

1773
00:58:36,704 --> 00:58:38,545
and and people have been so convinced that

1774
00:58:38,545 --> 00:58:39,744
it's safe that they don't think it's a

1775
00:58:39,744 --> 00:58:40,965
problem eating the food.

1776
00:58:41,265 --> 00:58:42,625
Yeah. So we need to change all of

1777
00:58:42,625 --> 00:58:43,125
that.

1778
00:58:43,664 --> 00:58:46,144
Hear hear. And, of course, I'll include,

1779
00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,545
plenty of different studies in here from from

1780
00:58:48,545 --> 00:58:50,670
Stephanie and and the different work around what

1781
00:58:50,670 --> 00:58:52,349
we've been discussing and the reality of how

1782
00:58:52,429 --> 00:58:53,329
That's nice.

1783
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:56,190
Yeah. I've got several papers, and they're growing

1784
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:58,190
growing list. I've got several to review right

1785
00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:59,789
now, so I'm quite excited about that. But

1786
00:58:59,789 --> 00:59:01,230
we'll see if I can push them through.

1787
00:59:01,230 --> 00:59:03,234
They're very hard to get pushed through review

1788
00:59:03,234 --> 00:59:04,355
as you might imagine because,

1789
00:59:05,074 --> 00:59:06,375
there's a lot of resistance.

1790
00:59:06,914 --> 00:59:09,155
Yes. Well, hopefully, we can touch base again

1791
00:59:09,155 --> 00:59:10,755
as this continues forward. And, you know, thanks

1792
00:59:10,755 --> 00:59:13,155
for joining again. And for anybody out there,

1793
00:59:13,155 --> 00:59:15,139
as always, thank you, you know,

1794
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,799
thank you for being here. And and, really,

1795
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:18,319
I I wanna say again, I stress that

1796
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:19,760
people make sure you check out her work

1797
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,599
and understand the actual you know, because we

1798
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:22,880
can sit and talk for an hour, but

1799
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,639
it's very difficult to get into the nitty

1800
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:26,400
gritty of this stuff, and it's worth reading

1801
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,984
those books for yourself. So I'll leave it

1802
00:59:27,984 --> 00:59:29,505
there. And thank you for joining. And as

1803
00:59:29,505 --> 00:59:32,005
always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions.

1804
00:59:32,304 --> 00:59:33,045
Stay vigilant.

1805
00:59:33,344 --> 00:59:34,085
Thank you.