I've seen a lot of this actually online
with people going, I didn't ask for this.
I voted for him, but I didn't vote
for this. Big people too. Yeah. Big people.
And and and once you get past the
you you actually did kind of vote for
it, then it's
then it's well
well, now what are you gonna do? Mhmm.
Are you now you have a you have
a decision to make. Are you gonna rationalize
his behavior and say, well, you know, it
would have been much worse if Kamala was
there? Because you could do that. You could
try that, and and you could probably convince
yourself for a little while. Or you're gonna
get honest.
Welcome to another episode of What the Hell
is Happening with my cohost or joining me
monthly, however you look at it, Charlie Robinson.
Here to discuss the madness of the news
cycle and the, you know, partisan
chaos that we're seeing every week every month,
really, because seeing this we've been doing it
pretty much monthly.
It's just continually chaotic, and we like to
continue to connect and go over some of
these points and how it's developed, and it's
always entertaining conversation. So, Charlie, welcome back. How
are you, my friend?
I'm I'm good.
It's funny because when we make notes on
what we're gonna talk about, it's it's written
in proverbial pencil, you know, because it it's
subject to change. There you don't know what's
gonna happen in the next forty eight hours
that's gonna throw a big monkey wrench and
everything or be the next distraction
to get you talking about something else instead
of leering centers. Now you're talking about,
Venezuela or you're
maybe you're now you're back in
Minnesota. Minnesota has been on the map quite
a bit.
Feels very
what are the chances of that? Yeah. You
know, it's it's funny you say that. Like,
you know, because if you look at the
at the story,
it's I don't really even see a way
that that would make sense that it you
know, like, why that would even connect. But
I made the same point last night. I
said, isn't it strange that whenever there's a
focal
point, whatever it is, and Elon Musk is
you know, they're they're all the usual suspects
are screaming about the one thing. The next
thing that happens, even if it's not connected
to the story, is in the same location.
Like, it's been it's happening over and over
and over. Haiti and then Haiti and then
you know, it's very weird to me. And
so but my thought was how is it
how would this even play into that? You
know? Let's let's let's just start with that
since the
the the shooting itself
is obviously an important story of US citizen,
which is just batshit crazy. I mean, the
way that people are regarding it, it's it's
crazy. We can get into the the nuance
of that. But the overlap you're may pointing
is we have the Minnesota, you know,
Somalia conversation. We have the more than that
even. There's other political points from that and
how it all just kinda seems to swell
around that. Do you have a thought on
what the importance of Minnesota may be or
what the if there is a reason behind
that bigger picture, what it may be? Do
you have any thoughts? Well, it's a fully
controlled city. I think that's pretty obvious that
that that
the mechanisms of government there are under the
control,
of an of something of supranational.
It's something above it. Right? Something it it
feels feels feels very comfortable to run their
operations
through that city. Like, that there's not going
to be,
a ton you know, that they'll have
some form of control over the narrative. At
least that's what they believe. It's been an
interest it's interesting that it keeps coming back
to this.
Would you flush that part out there for
me? What do you mean? Because I'm interested
by that. Do you mean, like, some kind
of a like a UN
dynamic? Or when you say, you know, a
multinational or term use, what do you mean
by that? There's certain places that are just
spook central.
Okay. You know, just cities that are Sandy
Hook as a prime example. There's just places
where you go. There's just a lot of
government. I mean, I get it outside of
the Beltway in in in, you know, Virginia
and places like that. That's where you would
expect it. But there's certain there's other places.
I was talking to someone about this, about
a city in
Europe.
They're like, everybody
that's
in the city that lives there, it's like
it's like off season for carnival workers. Right?
But this is off season for people in
intelligence.
Interesting. The whole city. So I when I
just keep seeing this over and over again,
you know, what are we what are we
good at? We're good at pattern recognition. Minneapolis
keeps coming up an unusually
an unusual amount for statistical
probability of the city being the focal point
of, you know, George Floyd and BLM and
all of this and and,
and the Somali
pirate narrative that came out, which is interesting
because this has been, you know, I was
there fifteen years ago, and they had a
huge Somali problem in Rochester, which isn't Minneapolis.
And I remember saying to the person I
was with,
what is going on here? Is there some
sort of, like, program or theme? It's like,
yeah. There's just a lot of Samoels here.
I was like, why? She's like,
well, there's some sort of arrangement. I was
like, this is weird. Like, you know? But
but that that was fifteen years ago. Yeah.
So this isn't a new problem. I I
I know that it feels new
because the media is talking about it, and
they're like, oh, it's like they woke up
one day, and it was like an infestation.
No. This has been happening for a long
time. I think you can even trace it
back to, like, '90 post '93,
some sort of arrangement with the small government,
with Clinton, and something like that. So so,
you know, there there's
it's not a new it's not a new,
development. If you live there, you knew about
this for a long, long time. I think
what is new is that the
common
news consumer out there is now talking about
it in a way that they hadn't been.
Of course, obviously, social media is having a
lot of fun with it. And but but,
but you you all you also kinda got
the feeling while it was happening,
there's a lot of
manufactured attention on it. Mhmm. Almost, you know,
when when everybody's talking about something, you have
to feel you almost have to take a
step back and go, okay.
Or is everybody talking about this because it's
a real important deal that we have to
talk about right in this moment? Or
are we all being told to to look
here because there's something else going on? Is
it a distraction? My mind ought to always
goes to this as a Yeah. For something
else. It's a distraction from something that's being
discussed or voted on or being rammed through
or happening in Israel or whatever.
So
Ball's a bit hesitant to take the cheese
when I see it just sitting there. Mhmm.
Feels a bit like a trap. And when
everybody's
in in and the hallmark,
of of a good trap is that
you're rightly annoyed you're rightly angry.
Mhmm. And interested. Yeah. And interested. And yeah.
And you see this and you go, woah.
This is a problem
Mhmm. That these people are facing, and this
is a real problem. And then you go,
woah. If if this is happening there, who
who's to say it's not happening where I
live or, you know, everywhere? Everywhere. It's not
limited to the Somali community. It could be
the, I don't know, Dominican Republic community in
some obscure state somewhere. So it it opens
this can of worms. You start thinking, well,
if this is happening there, it could be
happening everywhere. Mhmm. So I'm just I'm always
a bit,
you know, I'm always a bit cautious to
to to to to go
run sprinting into them, find out what's going
on with the narrative because it always feels
a bit fishy. But, man, for some reason,
Minneapolis,
Jacob Frey, that guy is he's involved in
everything.
I've seen that guy too much. I shouldn't
know who the mayor of Minneapolis is. Yeah.
Right. Exactly. Shouldn't Statistically, like you're saying, it's
it's unnatural. Even, you know, that would it
would be so much you know, things can
happen. There can be odd series of events,
but for that extended period of time, like,
just as mathematically is a good point to
say that seems unlikely that we would see
this continually in the news. But you mean
I don't have a scientific
explanation for it. I can't say, well, it's
because of this, this, and this. I'm just
going I'm just saying it looks weird to
me. Mhmm. And and it could happen anywhere,
and and and and I'm hoping that it
doesn't continue to happen anywhere, of course. But
but,
again, it's like
it it feels like our did we spin
the wheel, like, the the the the the
Somali pirates from
Minneapolis.
Right. Okay? Like, it just feels like it's
so
haphazard and random and and unusual that we're
that we're doing this. But then again, you
know,
every year, they sort of grab you with
the media headlines. This time last year, what
were we talking about? We're talking about
a Tesla exploding right in front of the
Trump Tower. Right? And the The race of
warfare. The visual significance of that and the
the the the army PSIOP division and talking
about Ghost in the Machine and all that
good stuff. So so here we are a
year later. I mean, they told us they
were gonna do it. They told us they
were gonna run ops on us, and they
have. And so the question is,
how much of this is legitimate
outrage? I mean, I'd be outraged if I
believe that my community, the tax dollars are
being squandered on nonsensical day care centers that
don't exist from people who
hate me or, you know, are actively
trying to get rid of white people from
your area. It's like, yeah, I'd be pretty
mad about that. But then it's like, alright.
Well, how much where does that
normal,
logical, reasonable
level of outrage
get
then weaponized into something else. Like, we gotta
round them all up. We gotta do we
we gotta we gotta I don't care if
it if we're gonna do digital IDs. Just
solve this problem. Exactly. You know? And you
can see yourself walking into it. About using
an an actual problem. And then whether this
let let's talk about that story because there's
a lot of different overlapping points to that
that whole thing. But even if the story
is 100% accurate, it can still be weaponized
to drive you into something like you just
said, and that's often the case. But what's
interesting about all this is, you know, first,
just on that day care story itself and
all the it's same with, like, the Venezuela
point we can get into, the unparalleled
amount of blatant propaganda. And I mean, like,
false AI. You know, it's it's and it's
never been more clear. It's being called out
by Twitter. You know? But so on the
Somali thing, what's interesting to me is you
can go back and show and I agree
with you. I mean, this is a this
is a long term, obvious case of fraud
and government manipulation.
And frankly, I think it's quite obvious that
it's not unique to just this one location
or Democrats. That's always important to point out.
But in this case, what's interesting is in
Biden's administration, there was, what, like, 75 people
indicted?
And yet in Trump's administration, I haven't seen
any. And And so what's fascinating to me
is and that's not to say one's good
or one bad or you know my opinion.
I think it's the government, and I think
it's all it's a whole of government problem,
but it's fascinating the way it's being discussed.
And then you got this Nick Shirley part
of it. Of course, he's in this little
weird Israel circle of funding dynamic, and and
he's, I mean, just bad at what he
does, if you got my honest opinion. His
gray sweet sweatshirt asking track it was it
just it seems like they're picking people like
that for a reason, but he comes up
to the story and does these kind of
gotcha moment things. And I'm not even sure
whether what he was highlighting. And let me
know what you know if there's more in
this part of it around the daycares he
was highlighting, whether that was even a legitimate
additional part of the story. My my point
was there's fraud, and you can prove that.
There's been people put in jail for it,
and it's gone all the way to this
point. And I think it's been continued allowed
for a lot of reasons. But what's interesting
is do you think that they're like, the
Nick Shirley dynamic of what he was highlighting
of these daycares? Do you feel like that
was an actual extension of this? Or then,
like you were saying,
using a real story and then turning it
into a cartoonish version of it right now
in the way he was highlighting it for
the purposes of, I don't know, Somaliland conversation
or any number of overlaps that come from
our country, immigration. You know? So what do
you think about that little part of it?
Soon as I saw the PR,
campaign he was doing for Israel's,
travel industry, I went, woah. Okay. Hang on
a second. That's not coincidental.
You know? That that that feels like an
op. Now
now like a limited hangout, like, maybe get
you
focusing on the Somali fraud because it's easy
and you can throw a bunch of people
under the bus. Yeah. Yeah. But that gets
and that gets the ball wrong. And by
the way, fraud, this is not new. Mhmm.
They had discovered this. This had been brought
up in 2018. This is something they talked
about. They've done nothing about. Before that. Yeah.
And before that. Yeah. And and why don't
we bring it up? We can we can
dress it up like it's brand new. It's
new fraud all over again. We know nothing's
gonna be done about it. And if it
does, who do we don't care. You know,
it it'll tie up the gum up the
the the media wheels. We'll get you get
you worried about
daycares and
Somali daycares in Minneapolis, and you're not worried
about what's going on in Palm Beach. You
know, you're not you're not worried about,
the other things that are happening
that that are not on the news cycle
because of this or not on the social
media cycle. And and it's red meat, of
course, you know, because you see it and
you're rightly upset about it. It doesn't matter.
And and and you wanna fix it, and
you know it's fixable, and you know that
there's a lot of people that need to
be led away in handcuffs for a variety
of things and that, you know,
but I also then immediately kinda go to,
alright. So
if they if this is out there
and it's and it's really it's the genie's
out of the bottle. You see it. You
can't unsee it. You know that there's rampant
fraud going on.
I suppose I don't know if this was
their ultimate goal,
but maybe the pivot is,
fine.
Let the people see the fraud. That's part
of the demoralization
campaign. You know, you're never gonna get it
fixed. We're never gonna arrest those people. They're
never gonna be mass arrest. We're never gonna
leave these people out in handcuffs. So you
talk about this all you want. All it's
gonna do is make you realize when you're
done, nothing's gonna happen.
They'll still be
running frauds on you. You'll still be mad
about it, and nothing will be nobody will
ever go to jail except maybe you for
pointing it out or talking about it on
social media
or asking for an early life check on
somebody who wrote an article about it. You
might get people knocking at your door to
take you away, but none of the actual
perpetrators will go to prison. And that that
actually works just as well,
you know, is if they say, god, what
what happens if they if the general public
finds out that none of these people will
ever go to prison? Then what will we
do?
We'll demoralize them. That's what we'll do. Right.
I mean, that's such an important point in
all this. And, you know, and we often
touch on this, the, you know, the reality
of people the awareness of what's happening right
now. I tend to think it's clearly the
majority of pretty much everybody, But what's it's
what does that an honest person has to
be able to see that. And it's like
let's just say they're still waiting and biding
their time here. You've got a I mean,
that meme is going around. Epstein, January 6,
Social Security, just 0000.
Right? There's nobody nobody of substance is being
arrested Of all the people they've been screaming
about, of all the Joneses out there telling
you, if we can just keep Trump alive,
they're all going down. You know, the Comey
thing, the Letitia James thing, even Bolton, I'm
convinced those are all designed to fail. Two
of them already have. You know? And then
Trump blames Bondi for not doing something about
it. Like, this still is very cultivated. You
know?
So
Walls, Ilhan Omar, okay. I I I think
they're all criminals, but whether there's the the
what they're pointing to here is in fact
showing they're criminals, I haven't seen provable evidence,
but it wouldn't surprise me. But if they're
not arrested because that's what they're pointing to,
that needs to show everybody something, and I
think it does. Average, honest people are gonna
go, okay. How many times in a row
can we see narrative, narrative bluster, screaming, it's
the biggest story in the world, and nobody
gets held accountable, you know, from the people
you're supporting? You know? It is, I think,
one of the most important points is who
who does and doesn't get arrested. You know?
And then and then I think there are
other reports of this that are super interesting.
That first,
on top of that, the Somalian part of
it, I find it so frustrating that
it's like the immigration part in general.
It's crazy to me that you can
point out this story, which implicitly I could
in within the story itself, the way it's
being told is these Somali people are being
taken advantage of. Right? Or or you could
argue that individual people are then gaining from
the criminal activity of the government. But what
the argument I it's it seems unfounded to
say that the Somalian people are
willfully defrauding the the government as opposed to
a government entity, Maul's Ilhan Omar creating a
system which they profit from using this system.
Both of those things don't seem to make
sense because one person's exploiting the other. Right?
And so at the end of the day,
it becomes the Somali people. You get Jack
Posobiec out there going, well, we imported Somali
pirates. It's just it's just on its face
kind of embarrassing, the broad brush kind of
conversation. And so that constantly be is a
is a factor. And I think that's about
creating hatred toward the people who are clearly
not you know, as always, it's the government.
It's the people playing us against ourselves, making
us focus on each other. And that's a
core point for what we're dealing with in
this country as well. A mutually parasitic relationship
created by a group, the government, who has
a long track record of doing things like
this, and they have the expertise and know
how to to to manipulate a group
into a situation like this. Hey. Come to
The States.
We'll take care of you. We'll hook you
up. We'll give you you know, I don't
we don't know what promises were made. We're
gonna get whatever it is is better than
your current situation living in Mogadishu in a
war torn you know, with warlords and, of
course, The US is in there stirring up
problems. And when you saw Blackhawk down those
with that there that
I mean, don't use that as a history
lesson, but, you know, if you saw the
movie, you know that there was an issue
in '93 in Somalia.
But,
you know,
they came to
Minnesota in general, Minneapolis in particular, but it
wasn't limited to that
with some sort of pipeline, with some sort
of reasoning.
Mhmm. And the government you you have to
ask, like,
okay. What's in it for us, the people?
Well, the answer is not a ton, but
in for the government itself,
it becomes very I mean, very you are
importing
a voting block that is
will be generationally loyal to you. I don't
know. I agree with that point. That always
comes up. And I and I I thought
it's a valid point to be made about,
like, a loyalty to feeling like you, you
know like, again, let's realize, I think most
people in the world are very aware of
the problems in their countries are largely responsible
because of Western foreign policy, so I don't
think they see the government in a good
light. But, nonetheless, they might be like, okay.
You know, you saved me from even something
you created. I still feel loyal. But is
that to one party? Because I we can
go back through multiple administrations and show that
this was still continuing. You know? So it
it tends to be used as an argument
that sort of they're importing votes, and I
think you can prove that's not the way
it's been for a long time if ever.
You know, that it's more of a fixed
bag. In the black community
in like, I could speak where I was
in LA, living in in in California
for thirty years, in LA for twenty years.
In LA,
they bought the Democrats bought the black vote.
There was no I know that happens. That's
not what I was saying. Bought with welfare
and and the LA County has the highest
percentage of welfare. I mean, it's just straight
up bought. So in in a sense that
I I don't when I say when I
say loyalty, I mean, you
you're you're loyal as long as you're being
taken care of. You're being taken care of
because you provide something to the Democratic Party.
You provide a block. You you you're a
chunk that nope that the other team can't
get to. At least that's when they may
see it as the as the government. They
may feel like they're doing that. I just
my point is that I just don't think
it translates the way that we tend to
feel like it does, especially just the broad
immigration point, which tends to be just bringing
in immigrants because they're gonna vote Democrat. I
don't think that's even provable anymore. Like, I
think it's different. But you make a valid
point. They don't need them anymore. They don't
even need actual people. You know my opinion.
I don't think they need any of it,
but they They
they to keep the theater
alive, you know, to keep that going and
to keep and to keep,
you know, what would like, Carlin would say,
like, keep the pressure on the middle class.
Right? Keep keep
keep keep the keep the, you know, import
a a a new generation. You've got to,
you know, you've got it. You might you
may have a demographic situation with baby boomers
aging out.
You bring in a
a a lower class
that's
that's dependent on welfare
and
will be easily manipulated by the state,
into a variety of things. I mean, we're
not we haven't gotten into
UBI at this point, but this is a
it's a soft form of it, I suppose,
in in in any sort of, government handout
program. It's it's it's a feeder mechanism into
full blown UBI It's dependent. At some point.
Yeah. Any in any way they can get
you dependent on them being there, whatever that
means, you know, then it becomes a coercive
measure. Like, then that can be used against
you. You can say, can we hold this
if you don't comply with the shot or
whatever it becomes. You know, that that's very
important. So you're right. Those are valid points
at any level because any kind of overlap
like that can be used, driven, or even
just in hopes that they feel you're the
one helping them. But I just I think
the larger point is that that's not as
clear as it used to be, if it
ever was. And people like, I mean, Trump
in his last administration and now. Right? And,
of course, this could be him just blustering
for campaign stuff, but always talks about the
black vote, the Mexican vote, and acting like
you know, saying that they're mostly on his
side. Well, that's the my point is if
that's the case, then that doesn't seem to
represent what they claim it does. But I
think you made the biggest point there that
at the end of the day, if you
if you know, I believe that this has
been stolen from us a long time ago,
so it's really about presenting
the, like, you know, the illusion, but also
a secondary thought of just creating the fodder
for us to be yelling at while they're
back here controlling our lives because because that's
what it kinda feels like. Well, there's also
the the another component to this, which which
really kinda happened under the the Biden administration
when you were seeing a a mass influx
of people from the Southern border into places
like Chicago. And then you were having the
existing community in Chicago who had been receiving
well handouts,
welfare for
for generations.
They were up in arms because their cheese
was being taken by the new group of
people, and they were pitting this group against
one another. And you could see that and
you go, oh, I've seen this movie before.
I know. I know what's going on here.
Say, that guy is trying to take your
stuff.
And then and just get them fighting against
one another, and you can see how that
could be used as a, you know, like,
what is the purpose of importing all these
people in? Oh, one
might not be the only purpose, but one
definite reason is to make everybody else
who went through the normal legal
traditional immigration process, make them resent you. Yeah.
That's one that's one nice side effect. You're
gonna have a segment of the of the
population that's gonna always resent these other I
did it the right way. It took me
five years. I had to go through all
these interviews with these stupid people and take
all these tests and those, and I did
the whole thing and paid the money, and
I got the right way. And these assholes
just walked across the border. How dare they?
And, oh, well, you're all we're all immigrants.
No. Wait a second. I'm different than them.
I did it the right way. They're not
and so there's a different tier system there.
You know? So It is high. Yep. And
it's just chaos and and frustration, and you
you know, those people got that stuff, and
I should have gotten that, and I I
did it the right way, and where's my
stuff? And then you go, well, why should
I even be paying taxes at all?
Yeah. Right? And you get to people to
the point where they throw their hands up
and go,
it's so crazy.
I feel like I'm the sucker for playing
by the rules.
Yeah. Maybe I should stop playing by the
rules because, apparently, the rules only apply to
me.
That's a very good point in a larger
sense as well. I think it's what a
lot of Americans are going through, but it
might very well be weaponized to drive us
into accepting what they present to us
next. Right? We're always talking about that. But
what's what's interesting though is the core point
before that secondary discussion, what does it what
does it do? Well, it makes you fight
your neighbor. It makes you ignore the fact
that the problems you're dealing with have nothing
to do with the group they also brought
in but the people doing the string pulling.
You know? And it's so easy to see.
Now that's not to say that there's I
mean, it's always a mixed bag. Even in
the Somali conversation, what I said was not
meant to imply that there's not people who
are choosing to deliberately defraud the government. That
happens here, there, black, white, Jewish, Christian, it
happens all over the place. You know? And
so it's important to see that at the
end of the day, these are just average
people trying to get by. And, really, what's
funny is from a core like, even from
a Republican standpoint, are you really gonna begrudge
somebody for screwing over a government that we
all criticize that's robbing us every day and
killing people around the world? It's interesting the
lines we draw for how we think we're
defending our own team when it's really just
you defending the power. The rebels right at
the deep state are out there circling around
the government going, you're you know, it's like
acting like the defenders.
It's a great
it's a it's a great opportunity for people
to really workshop their ideas
and think about this because you're you're just
tempted to wanna come out and say something.
You go, wait a second. Yeah. I shouldn't
yeah. You you wanna go, well well,
maybe I should just defraud the government, get
on on on welfare too. If all these
people, they made it look so easy. I
mean, I feel like a sucker. And you
go, no. No. No. No. No. No. I'm
that I'm being
I'm I'm walking myself into a trap here.
Hang on a second. I feel you know?
So to to be aware of the manipulation
is to be to an extent a little
bit more immune to from it. Yeah. Right.
But but for most people,
they just know they're angry. They don't even
know why they're angry. Some cases, they don't
even know who they're actually angry at, just
who they're told. Those people took your stuff.
Those people want you to have less,
and and they're here. And then you go,
well,
that's crazy. That shouldn't be happening. And then
you observe
your own government
actually doing that, bending over backwards,
giving them hotel rooms and and debit cards
and cell phones and
moving them around the country wherever they wanna
go and setting them up, and you go,
well, hang on a second. I didn't know
this was an option. You know? And and
and I'm down on my luck, and I've
been paying taxes, and I need unemployment. You're
denying me unemployment because I make too much
from some of you know? But and therefore
but this whole family can get you know?
You see that
the unfairness
Mhmm. Gets gets
internalized
in people.
And, you know, if you're looking for I
don't wanna go Tim Pool here. If you're
but if you're looking for a civil war
and you're looking for that, you gotta wind
people up for a while, and you gotta
get them to just watch this and watch
how unfair things have been and how crazy
it's been and up is down and men
can get pregnant and all this.
And and some of it is, like, you
know, frustrating, but kind of annoying
and laughable. And some of it really starts
to impact you. And so and financially and
and you start to extrapolate out, well, based
on the rate of how bad things are
going right now, we don't have much time
left and Yes. Everybody seems to be focusing
on the minutia at the expense of all
the important issues and,
you know, and what what does that do?
What does that well, I'll tell
you what it does for one segment of
society. It keeps the government extremely relevant.
Mhmm. Where they need them. They need the
government. They need the the handouts. They need
to be told where to go and what
to do and what they can get. They
need the they need that. And as long
as those people are there needing the government,
the government can stay relevant
and bleed the rest of us,
into supporting this, this insanity. And and heaven
forbid that you see it and talk about
it. Yeah. They wanna fit you for a
a a straight jacket and a tinfoil hat.
Yeah. Well, and and the other part too
is that at a large scale, it seems
to me, at least, across the board, we're
seeing this justification. You know, might makes right.
Excuse me. Peace through strength. The same same
stupid conversation. At the end of the day,
it's about creating the idea that, well, you
know, like, let's make it simple. That somebody
they could look at they just did this
wrong thing that we cry out and say
that's a crime, it's a war crime, and
now we're gonna do it back to them
because they started it, which is what I
mean, it's happening everywhere. You know? And and
the argument that, you know like, whatever it
is, violating the constitution so we have to
do that to save it. You know? It's
it's the it's creating the mindset that we
need to do the wrong thing to fight
against the wrong thing, And it's exactly what
was highlighted there. You know? The idea, well,
they're why why would I have to do
this because they didn't get to do it?
Well, because you have morals and integrity and
principles. Like, the idea that you would go,
they're terrible, so I'm gonna do it. Well,
then you're terrible. Like, you've just made the
point. Like, it's but it's it it it
becomes logical. It feels that way when it's
being presented as if you're being stolen from
or you're being manipulated, and so you almost
wanna stop that or get that. We all
have that kind of inclination to be like,
well, I wanna shove it in their face
and tell them that they're wrong. You know?
It's like, but sometimes that's not the right
thing to do. And on top of that,
the government is waiting in the wings going
like, just go after them. Go and attack
them. You know? And and it's being used.
But I I just think that's important. You
made a good point there about how the
the psychology of it is creating
they as always, they want us to call
for our own subjugation. Right? And that's happening
constantly today. And our reality is being curated
too. Each each one of us has has
sort of an it's like, what reality is
that guy living in? Well,
actually, the answer is a totally different reality
based on what he's being served up by
his algorithms and things like that. And, you
know, it used to kind of be a
throwaway line that someone's in a different universe.
But but depending on their information diet, they've
they really may very well be if you've
if you've ever had that, you know, as
we've wrapped up the holidays here, you've you've
probably had these forced interactions with members of
your extended family where you start to ask
questions or have conversations. You maybe get a
little gauge, their level of understanding of certain
things. And if you you come away from
that in the aftermath, you go, boy, you
know,
propaganda works. Mhmm. It's I see it with
my own eyes. It's quite something.
And
in fact, that that that old adage of,
you know, you just you think you're you're
living in a different universe,
you know,
it might have been a it might have
been just a kind of a a laughable
statement in the past, but but they've never
had the technology to do it like they
like they can right now
to really make everybody's
version of what they see in the news,
the the opinions that they get, of a
certain,
you know,
ICE shooting in Minneapolis as a prime example.
Depending on who you are and what your
sort of
leanings are,
your version of that events are are,
you know, completely different from somebody else's. So
it's it's an interesting time to be,
paying attention. You really have to make sure
that when you're talking to people in your
in your orbit, you that they are operating
off of the same source material that you
are or at least as close to it.
Is possible.
I just don't know that that's possible these
days. Well, because because to your very point,
though, it's gone so far beyond just, like,
I'm getting a different source or what I'm
being shown looks different to the point to
where because of psychological
or just social engineering,
cult mentality. I don't know. But to the
point to where you can look at it
at the same video
and walk away, feel you know, like, it's
I think, honestly, I think part of it
drives from wanting to support your side and
going, well, I'm gonna rationalize why even though
it's not what I thought it was, it's
still he still probably was fearing for his
life or whatever the mindset is. And yet,
you know but at the end of the
day, you're watching something that I think is
pretty self evident, and then you get this
weird discussion around it. And, you know, people
will always argue, you know I mean, look,
I'll say it's possible. Maybe I'm taken aside
and don't realize it. Maybe I'm blinded by,
you know, one thing or the other. But
you know both of us. We try to
operate from a nonpartisan objective perspective. And when
you look at information, it's not about what
side I'm on or whether I just support
one group or the other or, you know,
whatever. It's about what does this actually look
like and what is the reality of the
facts. And so let's talk about that because
I think it's confounding
that we're watching
a video that and and we'll go over
it if you want to, and I did
many, many times already. Four that I can
prove bombastically
where ISIS claimed they ran were ran over
and they lied about it, and two of
those cases shot people in the context of
it. Car full of family,
a woman that they claimed had a gun
that they didn't, and and they, like, rammed
her or got out and shot her, And
they glided and said she rammed you know?
And these are provable events. They came out
in court. You know? And so you watch
this video where the conversation about her being
an observer, which is clear, she's not breaking
the law, and ICE is constantly being shown
to break the law. So I think there's
a purpose of cop watching, which used to
be more her right wing thing. That's funny.
Right? But, overall, you know, that you can
see this event play down or play out,
and that she tries to drive, and the
guy is close, and ultimately opens fire in
her car as well as after she drives
away. Now, I don't think he was in
any danger. I think it was obvious that
she was driving away from them, and I
think that the way that they I mean,
I think it's quite obvious that they instigated
this event because they continually are shown to
be frustrated with people who are doing what
they're doing, and that's self evident other examples.
They continue to harass people that are simply
just there. So I want your thoughts on,
you know,
the validity of that, you know, what we
saw, you know, and and and whether I
mean, maybe you disagree with me. Do you
think that this person was justified in killing
that US citizen? I just think this is
a crazy,
crazy leap. And I'm even seeing people like
judge Napolitano and plenty of others who are
just like, ice murder. You know, like, way
on the side people are calling democrat. You
know? So it's an interesting series of events
and important for where this goes.
After watching the Daniel Shaver
murder, you know, I I just I I
know that the Vegas. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. That was I think it was
Colorado.
I'm now I'm thinking of the Vegas one.
Sorry. Go ahead. I was thinking of the
one the guy in the hallway
who there was telling giving orders to to
to get on his knees and laid it.
And they just want Las Vegas. Am I
misremembering that? Anyway, please go ahead. Sorry. I
I think I'm in one. Well, I the
only reason I thought it was in Colorado
is because a bunch of the people in
Denver,
I could be wrong. The the, group I
go to, they all knew him.
Okay. Yeah. No. I could definitely be wrong.
That's just what I was remembering. But but
but That's an important event. It it made
me you know, like, you can watch a
video of a man
doing everything he's told to do, fully complying
with the with the police and winding up
getting murder
on video. And then, of course, in the
aftermath of what happened with the cop getting
having nothing
done to him and getting collecting a pension
and all this
gross and disgusting. So
my default mechanism whenever I see cop interactions
is that I'm always going to be,
very,
very skeptical of of the police. I don't,
I'm not I understand that they have been
trained. In some some cases, the the police
forces, depending on where you are, have been
trained by Yep. Israeli
forces
in in in Israeli teams that that that
you know,
you you know, it used to be Andy
Griffith, the the policeman with the blue hat,
and he'd how you doing? Oh, you have
a tire flat tire? Let me help you
with the tire. You know? Have a good
day, ma'am. And now it's
police with black hoods
on and black
uniforms, and they're dressed like they're in the
military through the from the
the October program that recycled all this
military gear into the police force. So it's
like you've you're trained by the military, the
Israeli military. You're armed by the US military.
You're sent out onto the streets of America
like you're in a war. My question is,
who's the enemy?
Exactly.
It's very true. And and when you when
you have that mentality now in a and
and so but I also have to say
this as well on the other side,
and and I'm not in any way justifying
what police do or ICE do, you know,
did or or anything like that.
However,
there is something to be said for not
putting yourself in really bad situations
as well.
People need to take responsibility for their own
actions on this stuff. Do I well, first
of all, I would just advise people, don't
go to these things. Don't go to these
events. Don't go to these marches. They're honeypotch.
I mean, you're getting your surveillance. Your phones
are being tagged. Everything about it, it's bad.
Let me give you a minute really quickly,
Charlie. I get where you're coming from. And
I do I agree with the sentiment because,
you know, just from a self preservation perspective,
like, consider it's like we say with the
with anything we deal with the police or
taxes, like, well, you could argue you're correct
in a moral stance, but they still may
come and shoot you. Right? So consider that
that is how that may come out. But
the I don't think the argument, at least
from my perspective, would be because they may
break the like, may violently, you know, illegitimately
I don't even I don't wanna say hold
you accountable, but react to what you're doing,
would the answer be to not do the
right thing? You know? Because, like, in my
perspective,
standing and watching and trying to hold accountable
people who are verifiably breaking the law with
the most basic of senses, not identifying themselves,
not presenting warrants, those are straight up major
crimes, constitutionally and otherwise. And how that's being
disregarded blows my mind. And so I'm not
gonna say there aren't observers out there who
are crossing the line, who are being, you
know, violent in some cases. So you can
find that in every circumstance. But people doing
that, I think, is important personally. So I
would argue that the right thing needs to
be done whether or not they're out there
reacting in a negative violent way. But I
agree with you that keep in mind that
that may actually be the outcome, and that's
I think that's the whole point of what
they just did, quite frankly. And you can
be there as an observer, as as as
calm, rational, and then not interfering as you
want.
And the situation
escalates
simply because you have
hopped up police,
and you've got very angry
people that have been whipped up into a
frenzy for some reason. And when you put
them together, bad things happen. And in fact,
in some cases, bad things happen by design
that they want this. They would So I'm
I just would tell people, like, just if
you're in a situation like this,
just be careful because Yeah. They the it's
not
that the police are there to
talk some sense into these people and diffuse
the situation. They're going to escalate it. And
if they escalate it and you're near it,
bad things can happen. And and I don't
want people of course, obviously, I mean, I
want people to to to hold
these lunatics accountable
Right. For for being out there.
But understand that they're lunatics, and they they
they won't they won't be held accountable for
for turning a gun on you.
Right. Right. We've we've we've witnessed this over
and over again. So it's like,
be frustrated, but be strategic as well. And
don't put yourself and don't don't become a
pawn of some op Yeah. That they're running
to to where they wanna get everybody that's
in there and paint you all with the
same brush. Like, you may be there. Just
say, hey. Listen. I wanna see what's going
on and make sure nobody I know gets
hurt. And next thing they know, they've pinged
all everybody's cell phone there, and they said
you're all you're all part of Antifa.
And I'm like, I'm part of Antifa. I
just I live down the street, and they're
like, you don't care. With that. I agree.
That's an excellent point. But is that them
being part of an op, or is that
them being is that the government op pretending
you're part of something? Now I wanna be
clear because I in case there's somebody new,
you and I both agree I mean, look,
Antifa,
Patriot Front, I mean, like, it is all
over the place, and they're very much being
manipulated. And there's a very clear example we
made about extremism that exist in all of
this. It's not like there's not some actual
issue with Antifa, but the way that they're
using it, as we've discussed, is it's not
about Antifa at all, quite frankly. You know?
And so what we're seeing is using this.
Like, so I would argue I agree with
your point. Don't allow yourself to be caught
up in some kind of entity that's out
there trying to use your genuine intention to
hold people accountable because that very much exists
on the left. That is transparently clear. But
at the same time, I argue if you're
willing to put yourself at risk, that is
an important way to frame that. That I
do think it's it's the right thing to
do, to stand up and stand and to
stand correctly. And I would even say there's
a point you made about interference, but let's
just say legally speaking, stand without doing that
and hold them accountable. But Derek in the
past has made a good point. And I
don't know. I mean, they don't even have
the same opinion today, you know, because we've
all evolved in a lot of ways. But
that there is an importance to confronting something
like that, especially if we're in a position
where what they're doing is illegal.
Right? So this is no longer some upstanding
member of the government authority of, you know,
up indoor enforcing the law. They're out there
break breaking the law. They're the ones committing
terrorism. And, I mean, not everybody, and it's
never a broad brush point. It's about the
people that are doing that. And so I'm
not saying you should go out there and
engage with them because I think that's the
last thing we should be doing because they
use that to, you know, do whatever they
wanna do. But I'm just I don't wanna
dissuade people out there. I don't wanna create
the sentiment that people should be cowing to
what they're doing because of their responses. And
I I'm sure you probably agree with that.
Right? I mean, I'm Yeah. In what we
believe in. Yeah. I I want people to
also understand that these people are diabolical,
and they'll they'll they'll fight you any way
they can fight you. And one way that
they'll do that is legally through,
terms and designations. So as as an example,
you
may think that
somebody calls you a domestic terrorist. That's just
a a slanderous insult that somebody, you know,
online calls you that.
But if the if if law enforcement
decides to to
describe you as a domestic terrorist
In the aftermath of the Patriot Act, we're
now it's not just, it's not just some
term. It's not some throwaway line. It is
a legal definition. You are
a you are operating in the homeland, which
is a battlefield,
and you have now been designated by law
enforcement as a domestic terrorist.
So under the Patriot Act, you find yourself
without any rights and that that you you
all of a sudden
are are in the same category
as,
you know, you're you're as somebody who's planting
truck bombs, you know. And and so
we're now in a world where
you all you also have to be careful
that they don't try to
legally designate you as something that you are
not,
because if they do that, then it's not
just, it's not just, you know,
an insult. It's it's a a designation
that may have
may impact your freedom. You know, I agree
a 100. But, again, the point is don't
do something because they may be dishonest. Well,
they're gonna be dishonest regardless. But but trust
me, I agree with what you're saying. Like,
I get the sentiment's important. But I just
you know, it's clear that they're going to
be dishonest and misrepresent regardless. They call us
terrorists, Charlie, so it's pretty clear that that's,
you know, you could be out there just
standing on the sidewalk like you're saying and
get caught up in it because they decide
to do so. You know? So it becomes
very clear that it needs to be personal
decisions for what you believe is right. And
understand that there are gonna be consequences for
things you do that are wrong, and there
may be consequences for things that you don't
do that aren't wrong. You know? So factor
that in and and act accordingly. And don't
get baited into violence. Don't get don't get
sucked into that stuff because there are agent
provocateurs out there that will say, you know,
this way to the capital and whatnot. And
and sort of get you and take that
that maybe maybe authentic frustration
and channel that into some destructive ways. You
know, everyone
I'm I'll be,
a month from now, I'll be emceeing Anarkapulco,
the largest anarchist
conference in the world. And everyone says, oh,
you anarchists. You're just you're what you guys
do workshops on building and throwing Molotov cocktails
and tire burnings and things like that. It's
like, no. We're not doing any of that
stuff. They don't understand anything.
They don't understand what it means, but there's
this there's this,
there's this
vision in a lot of people's minds that
that you're that the only way to get
some real change is to get out there
in the streets with your hood
on and,
and fight with the police. And I'm telling
you, that's a trap. Absolutely. That's that's a
good way to get caught up in something
that's much bigger than you understand.
And what do you know? The leaders who
are leading you into battle are whisked away
out the back door, and they never see
any any jail time, but you're sitting in
a cell somewhere. So don't
Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. Just don't fall into
that. That's all I'm saying. Alright. I'm sorry.
Strictly, Jason, careful. I mean, join the conversation.
So the the Patriot front and Antifa as
we just discussed. Right? Look at what they're
being look at what they're like, we know
we we can prove an overlap. We keep
finding repeatedly that there's, like, an FBI agent
or somebody in the cover. Like, it continues
to happen. Right? And so at this point,
when you're talking about masked entities, like, why
would we as individuals fall into doing what
they're, like, literally dangling in front of you?
Go out there and be violent with masks,
and, you know, like, join these groups. It's
so, I think, very obviously meant to drive
as to exactly what you just described. We
are being played against ourselves, you know, and
that's just so important across this conversation.
And and the psychological
component of diffuse responsibility as well. Somebody who
really wants to burn down a building, but
probably doesn't have the guts to do it.
But if there's a 100 of you doing
it, I only did one one hundredth of
the actual damage, and it was really all
the other guys. And the way you can
rationalize that, normalize that sort of violence is
not something that the average person really comprehends.
But I I assure you that the people
in charge do. They know how you'll behave
if they if they add a couple different
variables in there. So so being careful to
not find yourself and I tell you this,
as somebody I lived through the LA riots,
the ninety two riots. I was in South
Central when it's like, one day, everything's fine,
the next day, everything's crazy. And it was
because you you got the point about halfway
through the first day of the LA riots
that
no cops can actually do anything to us
for anything that we do, so we can
do whatever we want, and then it just
kinda kicked off. So Yeah. So you have
to sort of also
make allowances for the psychology
of of crowds and how people get manipulated
and weaponized into things. And you need to
make sure that, you know, there's nothing more
dangerous than, stupid people in large groups. Right?
You need to get yourself out of situations
like that and understand what's happening,
so that you're not the last guy to
figure it out. Yeah. Exactly. And and I
would argue that the people that go in
and do that, like, the guy just goes,
like, shoot, I'm gonna go grab a TV,
you know, whatever. I'm gonna take advantage or
I'm gonna go bust a window because I
feel like it because I don't even care
what this whole thing is about. They're not
the ones that get held accountable. They're not
the ones that have failed. They go from
political leaders or the the person standing there
going, I want you to be accountable. And
it's like, you're a terrorist. You know? It's
it is
obscene how this continues to happen. Right? But
back to that point though about the clip,
you know, about the about the incident. You
know? Kristi Noem came out and called that
person a domestic terrorist
to make your point. You know? And it's
like, okay.
You could make an like, the only argument
in that like, let's just take this actual
the point in front of us. You've got
a woman in a car who's observing them.
Where's the argument for terrorism? Even if you
argue she directly went and just rammed the
guy, which didn't happen,
how would that be terrorism? That would be
a crime, certainly. But with the the the
fact that she rushes to call it terrorism
is the entire agenda. Right? This is about
framing anything against the government or any crime
of any kind or whatever they want, wherever
they want is terrorism because that opens the
door to, you know, nothing matters, national security,
whatever they wanna do. You know? And so
I found it really interesting, but I argue
it's because they're just trying to make a,
you know, flimsy connection
to, I guess, what? She's an observer. Therefore,
she must be lefty even though I know
people who are not left who are doing
that. It's the same thing as always. But
then you have examples saying that that means
lefty, that means Antifa, therefore, terrorism. And it's
like, that none of these things are gonna
hold up in court, but that's not what
it's really about. You know? So I on
your that point, I think, is important. But
I what what are your thoughts on that?
Unless we don't you don't wanna get into
it, but what do you think about the
way that went down? Do you feel that
they were justified in killing that woman? You
know? I'd say I think it's a a
really important pivotal moment for this country right
now. I have problems when the
Department of Homeland Security chief is calling people
domestic terrorists, knowing that that means that you
can wind up in Guantanamo Bay in five
hours Yeah. You know, with a bag over
your head.
And so I I don't like any of
this. It's all gross and disgusting.
I don't know. See, the but
but if you think about also if you
kinda just take a a step back on
the sort of the psychology
of this,
think about the optics.
That you if you're gonna do something diabolical,
like have a Department of Homeland Security,
why not have Barbie run it? You know,
with the hair extensions and the makeup and
and and all of this, you know, because
who are you really selling it to? You're
selling it to Trump's base. Right? So she's
gotta look like she's straight out of Fox
News. Right. You know?
And and and and so there's a little
I think there's a little bit more
thought that goes into this from in terms
of who the
who the target demographic is for this information.
This is this is his base. Right? So
you have Kristi Noem deliver it. Right? Because
you already kinda like her. Right? If you're
MAGA guys, she's kinda hot and she's yeah.
I mean, yeah. She's talking about the most
authoritarian, awful stuff ever, but, hey. Look at
her. You know what I mean? And I
see that, and I go, that's not accidental.
The Trump comes out of television.
He knows what he's doing. Yeah. You know?
And I think, god, what a gross
how gross is that that you you you
you bring in a Barbie
doll to sell the authoritarian
overreach?
But It's it's very do it. I guess
maybe more brave new world. But, yeah, it
definitely
is manipulative for sure. But, yeah, it's you
know, what's what's crazy to me and let
let me ask you this since I seem
to I mean, I think this is still
wildly relevant every single day that it continues
to grow. My point was I seem to
ask this constantly when we're on the show
or every time, I mean, when we do
the interviews. But it seems to be evolving.
Right? So do you think or where do
you think the let's just say the Republican
or let's just say the conservative as a
whole conservative side. Where do you think they're
at right now with with support of the
Trump side, with the team, with the two
party illusion? I think it's I mean, we
because we keep talking about this. Right? And
and, originally, it was sort of like, well,
I feel like they're not happy. But it's
hard to tell. Right? Or even the two
party illusion. I think it's never been more
clear. I think it's so shockingly obvious that
conservatives right now are, I'm not saying fleeing
from the team or the party, but, like,
we're being screwed over by Trump. Or this
team's not you know? What do you think
about that? Where where do you think that
percentage is right now?
Well, I I don't know how you can
watch what Trump has been doing for the
last year and not feel betrayed
for if you were a Republican. I think
it depending on what your level of expectations
were. Right? I I have my level of
expectations very low, so I'm not disappointed.
He he I knew he was going to
be a a a tool of the Zionist,
faction and and big tech, and, of course,
he has been. And and that's just a
matter of degree as to how that has
all played out. But
I expected that, and that's what I got.
But I think for those people who really
honestly
thought
that Bongino was gonna get in there and
that
the arrests were gonna be and they were
just gonna be lining up buses and it
was gonna be purp box and all that,
and they really bought it.
I think for those people, they're deeply disappointed.
I think it's cool. I I could have
I could have saved them. Well, I probably
couldn't have. They wouldn't have they wouldn't have
listened. But I'm sure they heard us. They
didn't wanna Theoretically, you could have saved them
by telling them this is gonna happen. But,
I mean, you you maybe you just you
know,
we all go through that. You know, we
all kinda say, oh, this time will be
different. You know, it happens. And then after
it's some people they they figured out pretty
early on. They go, I'm not participating in
this. I'm never gonna get my hopes up
or pin my dreams on some politician to
come in here and wave a magic wand
and fix it all. It's just not gonna
happen.
But, you know, everybody learns at their own
pace. So I'm assuming that there's a segment
right now that's going
I mean,
I didn't sign up for any of this.
Right. The the irony is that, in fact,
they did. They just didn't realize that they
did. But
but their their and I've seen a lot
of this actually online with people going, I
didn't ask for this. I voted for him,
but I didn't vote for this. Big people
too. Yeah. Big people. And and and once
you get past the you you actually did
kind of vote for it, then it's then
it's well
well, now what are you gonna do? Mhmm.
Are you now you have a you have
a decision to make. Are you gonna rationalize
his behavior and say, well, you know, it
would have been much worse if Kamala was
there because you could do that. You could
try that, and and you could probably convince
yourself for a little while. Or you're gonna
get honest
and say that this guy is
this guy is a
tool of Israel. It is quite obvious all
the things he said that he was gonna
do, the no wars and no foreign entanglements
and make America great. He's Lower cost. Not
only has he not done it, not only
has he not gotten around to it, he's
done the exact opposite of it. It's not
it it'd be one thing if it was
just like, oh, he got caught up in
the muck and and and he can't get
any traction to get anything done. No. No.
No. He's getting plenty done.
It's the exact opposite stuff that you ever
wanted. And everything that is not a priority
to us
is magically
a huge priority to him. So it's on
top of that, it's very frustrating. You just
go, you could wave your magic wand and
take care of all this stuff that the
president actually can do, and yet you're not
doing it. And here you are focusing on
building a new ballroom or or or strengthening
our ties or bringing in people that can
get to the bottom of the antisemitism on
college campuses. It's like, it's like we're just
focusing on all of the nonsense at the
expense of some really important things. And so
if it's your first rodeo, if it's your
first time you really kinda bought into it
Mhmm. It's gotta be horrifying to watch this
play out. And I but I'm kinda glad
about that. That's kinda the idea of this
whole dying, whatever, empire system. You know, it's
like that's it's continually more clumsy. Their actions
continue to fall apart sooner. You know? And,
I mean, every time like, even just with
this with the way that I mean, any
you pick the narrative on the table right
now. It's wild how they'll come out with
something, Venezuela, we can get into in the
last ten minutes here, about it's just wholesale
deception and lies about everything going on. And
I would argue that you could lie better
than that. Like, you could you could even
manufacture, but yet they I mean, I tend
to think it's largely just incompetence
or something else driving the bus. You know?
But I just the I I think what
you just described is obvious,
and I think that is self evident to
pretty much anyone that looks. And so you
end up in a position where
you have to ask yourself, do we feel
there's more honest people in the conversation versus
people that just
lie or or ignore for their own interest?
And I'd like to believe that there's more
honest people, and I think that's proven by
the fact that they always project what they
want that they honesty, you know, liberty, democracy.
Why would they keep doing that if most
of us didn't want that? You know? So
I think it's clear that it's so my
point saying that is that if that's the
case, and I think that is, that means
people are going like you're saying. Because they
are honest, and they wanted this to be
the case. But now they're going, holy crap.
This is crazy. Like, this is not what
I thought. What an important moment for this
country. You know? People tend to think this
is sort of, you know, maybe on the
one side or the other, that it's a
bad thing or that it's just you know?
I think this is the sign of actual
change happening, and I think that's why we're
watching this chaotic thing happen because power structures
are clearly not happy with the way it
were. We're like, I don't believe you anymore.
That's that's scary for them. You know, eat
the rich and all the stuff they've talked
about. They think about these things. They think
about the, you know, growing concern that we
may just decide to not listen to them
anymore and what that means to their security.
You know? And I'm not in any way
suggesting violence or threatening anything. It's more just
about their concern for what happens when things
change dramatically like that and what they've been
doing our entire lives. But I just think
that's really important to think about. And I'm
sure we'll bring it up next time. And,
you know, it's where where do you think
that look. Let's finish with Venezuela and where
that goes because I think that's an important
topic. But just on that last segment there,
you know, where do you think this logically
goes? If this continues to go the way
that we think that it is and people
continue to go, you know, I guess, save
from them just, like, releasing all the Epstein
files and doing suddenly everything they promised, which
I highly doubt, where do you think this
goes with people continuing to call it out,
you know, with the next election? You know,
just where do you think where do you
think it goes? Well, it it kinda the
government narratives
remind me of these
of a well done Pixar movie. There's two
story lines going. There's one for the parents,
and there's one for the kids. There's jokes
that the parents get the punch lines and
the kids are laughing too, but it's for
something different. And for the vast majority of
people, the kids, the people who are uninitiated
don't understand how to listen to or watch
the media and get what's really going on,
they're being served one version of reality that
is very entertaining and it's different. For the
adults, they're who are watching
it, they're kind of snickering at something else.
They're they're they're understanding that that there's there's
more going on. The Venezuela thing is
probably no different. You know, they'll they'll be
an established narrative that will be sold to
the people. Venezuela
was running drugs.
They're an evil Imadero is an evil,
socialist dictator who destroyed his people. You know?
And you can find
examples
that back all that stuff. You know, they'll
they'll give you a bunch of reasons and
and, of course, you can find
examples of them doing this. Does it mean
that they're Yeah. The biggest drug,
transporting hub in the world? No. Does it
mean that Maduro is the worst dictator in
the history? No. I mean, but you can
find examples to say, sue, we're we're above
reproach and this guy's gotta go.
And so that will be sold to the
general public for, you know, for the obvious
reasons. He he was bad to his people.
And then and then maybe some people will
break out of that a little bit and
say, but, you know, he also has oil,
and we can steal the oil, and we
get the oil. And then Trump comes out
and says, we've taken the oil, we're taking
these cargo ships, and you go, good lord.
We're, like, turned into pirates here, and there's
that whole narrative going on. And you go,
well, that must be what it's about. Must
be about oil. Right? And so
they'll allow you to, I suppose, the the
the average
news viewer, they'll allow you to,
you know,
hear that it's about,
stopping socialism,
but, also allow you to probably assume that
it's also about oil. Mhmm.
But Like you said earlier, kind of setting
that, like, allowance or, like, without knowing it,
sort of normalizing that illegal activity. You're gonna
yeah. It's about oil. But, you know, hey.
Listen. We steal oil from now. It's Trump,
and, you know, it's it's we're not we're
not doing anything bad. It's just oil. Right?
But but what they won't tell you
is that, you know, the the follow-up story
to the oil component is that
they're now not gonna be selling oil to
China Mhmm. And they will be selling oil
to Israel.
But we won't get into that level of
detail. Right? It'll just kinda stop at, like,
we're we're going to maybe go install
Paul Singer's
Sitgo is come back. I mean, maybe maybe
we're we're maybe gonna, you know, allow our
Standard Oil interest to
take over Venezuelan oil and and run that.
I'll tell you where my mind actually goes
with all of this.
That is that is probably more alarming than
than any of it. And I do think
it's about
on some not not the entire story, but
on some level, sure, oil. Yeah. Oh, definitely.
I think it's about
shoring up
supply chains in anticipation
of something bigger. Yeah. Because if I were
to
if I were to be somebody planning, let's
say, World War three
and let's say in The Middle East, focal
point in The Middle East, but maybe not
limited to there, And I was America,
who is an who's a net energy exporter
to begin with, and I we could we
could be energy
independent,
but we choose not to be. Right. But
if I was America, I would say I
would wanna have a couple different options for
oil
that that weren't dependent on Suez Canal,
Strait Of Hormuz
or going around, you know, the the bottom
of Africa. And that would be Nigeria,
which is just a straight shot across
The Atlantic into Houston,
and Venezuela, which is just a straight shot
north into Houston as well. And if I
had control of both of those, then I
would feel pretty good about not needing Middle
East oil for a decade or so.
And I'm I'm not saying that this is
happening. I'm just trying to think, like, strategically
or maybe a little bit outside of the
box. Like, what could this actually mean? It
could mean it could be something as as
as sort of strategic as just getting these
supply chains
hammered out. Obviously, you get China thrown out
and you
normalize relations with Israel. That's what his masters
want. But what does America want? Well, America
could could shore up these supply lines at
least in terms of oil.
Still be a massive catastrophe
based on the supply
chain needs that we have in China. I'm
not trying to say that this solves any
of all of America's problems, but I'm trying
to think, like, how they would look at
this and and why
why now
why now and not, you know, five years
ago with Venezuela? Why now? What is it
going on that that is is requiring this?
And so when I think about it, I
I my mind goes to
to something having to do with a future
event that would
make
it more difficult for them to get the
oil that they need in a timely manner.
Yeah. Well, those are very valid points. All
of that's exactly, you know, whether it's, you
know, including other actions they've taken with Yemen
and the Bab El Mandeb Strait or,
Oman or or Somalia. You know, it's these
are all exactly that conversation. It's all different
parts of the same at least at least
one part of those agendas were about that,
and I think that's very clear. But what's
interesting is with Israel involved in all of
this, you know, it's I mean, there there's
very clear overlaps to
the larger agenda in regard to Venezuela
and these different you know, you you painted
a good picture there for the desire
to prepare for what they've always been planning.
Right? And you can see
going back Biden, Obama. You know, they've been
trying to overthrow Venezuela
and have at least briefly succeeded with Chavez
once, but the people protested enough where they
had to bring him back. Most people don't
even know that, but that's very well documented.
They've been trying to regime change it for,
possibly,
that very reason left and right for a
very long time. I think the difference is
that at this point in time,
whether it's just Israel's interest or whatever else,
Trump is more amenable to the influence of
people around him and decided to make this
belligerent action with Maduro. Right? Because, you mean,
mean, it could have attempted another regime change.
They did his last administration. He was very
embarrassed by that. The military screwed him over.
Remember that? They pretended they were gonna regime,
and they they stood up and stood with
Maduro, and they said you know, they tricked
him, basically. And that was very embarrassing for
him. That's arguably why he doesn't work with
Machado because that's her kind of support base,
and he feels, like, screwed over by that
or, like, the double it's very weird the
way he reacts kind of emotionally. But I
think it's right now because it's obvious that
this has always been the agenda for the
one of the reasons you're making right there,
and and that now it's just I think
he's just willing to do it or maybe
not even in control. But to your point
Maybe. I think Robert just wrote a recent
article about this. It's important to think about
just the first, just the seizing of the
actual oil, not the industry, which will continue
to profit them, but the oil itself. He
makes an excellent argument that I didn't think
about. Like so we talked about the the
the supply chain, the flow of oil, and
others, and that the need to take these
locations will help
con if Iran were to shut down the
Strait Of Hormuz, which is what they threaten,
that they would be able to circumvent that,
and that would allow them to continue their
wars. But he makes a point that if
they were to seize this oil, which they're
already doing, that could potentially get them through
without even needing more flow of oil. And
that's just an interesting thought, you know, that
they're, like you said, trying to create the
circumstances to justify or rather support their next
action, which I think is clear. I mean,
I don't even we do we need to
debate that they wanna go after Iran? Aren't
they screaming that every thirty seconds? So, clearly,
this is what that goes to. You know?
See, I think you're absolutely right. Yeah. And
and if you and and if Iran is
the crown jewel and the final target, and
and they've been pretty clear about that, you
you just work backwards. How would you do
it? You would isolate it from any of
its allies and things like that. So so
it is a strategic,
it's rational.
It's crazy, of course. But but but for
the way they see it, it's rational to
work your way through that and to to,
you know, isolate Venezuela, get it to flip,
and then you could see I mean,
obviously, you'll see pressure put on.
It's been put on Russia. There's always so
much pressure you can put on China when
they they hold so much of our debt,
and they manufacture so much of our pharmaceuticals,
and that we need them so much. So,
you know, you
you're gonna have those two guys there backing
Venezuela or,
backing Iran.
But anybody else who shows any sort of
loyalty, like, you will be picked apart. You
know, that this is, of course, the reason
why I think when you look at Somalia,
it's getting sliced into Somaliland, and that's, of
course, geographically
right across from,
from Yemen. It'd be a good place if
you were Israel and you wanted to keep
an eye on somebody that might be,
coming after you in the future. Yeah. That'd
be a logical place. So you can see
kind of how things are playing out. It'll
all
make perfect sense in the aftermath. Right? Once
World War three kicks off and it and
it and it
and and the fake history books are written,
it'll all
line up and you'll see where it's but
trying to to
catch it in the middle and extrapolate out
where it's going is, of course, a little
bit more challenging. But
but you can you can see the moves
being made and and and you and of
course, it's also
extremely important to understand that these people have
a mindset of wanting
war. But
what we
where we come at this is how what
are our options for preventing war? How do
we make sure that this war doesn't kick
off here here? And and and their their
mindset is
is is how do, you know,
how do we initiate crisis, how do we
start crisis initiation with Iran. Right? With with
the Pelham blossoms of the world talking about
Iranian submarines going down and sometimes they don't
come back up. Right? So so our mind
we have to remember that be we have
to be careful not to export our
sensible, reasonable, rational mindset onto them and think,
oh, well,
we're all looking for solutions to not have
World War three. Unfortunately,
some people are seeing that quite differently. Yeah.
And to your point about the more challenging,
you know, I agree with you. Like, in
a general sense, we should always consider that,
you know, we don't hindsight's twenty twenty. Right?
We don't always see every part of it,
and, usually, we don't. And there's plenty of
times when these things are much more difficult,
more nuanced.
But I'm of the mind today, and it's
just I mean, you could look at both
of our track records. Look at the information
we've been covering and how how far ahead
in general and, again, not because we're some
super sleuth. I mean, I do think we're
good at what we do, but it was
it's more so because it's just obvious today.
Like, I think that's important to note that
some of these things are just it is
easy to see. And I think what we're
highlighting right now is borderline not even debatable.
I think it's quite obvious this is part
of the agenda and that they will be
going after Ron if that's something they can
accomplish because they're they're telling us that. You
know? So it's this interesting time where maybe
by design, maybe because they're incompetent, maybe because
they're not in control, that ultimately these things
are pretty wildly obvious. But you get these
big, like, bombastic million follower TeamSport politics players
out there that are, know, historically have been
calling out all of these things, but now
it's finally happening. And they're like, you know,
look over there. Like, not really getting into
it. And so I think it's it's
I mean, you take your check your pick
out there.
It's happening and it's obvious why is up
for debate. But I think it's worth noting
that it is kind of that obvious in
some of these agendas.
Our work is evidence of that. You know?
It's it's interesting. But I I wanna do,
one last point on this while I just
kinda wrap up is, you know, the the
Venezuela thing is is interesting beyond what we
talked about as well because there's so many
other moving parts to it. Like, we we
didn't we can talk about rare earth minerals,
lithium. We'll coup whoever we want. And Elon
said about Bolivia. Right? The these are real
discussions that very much have a play a
factor, and it's weird to me how little
conversation the lithium gets. It's unrealized. It's it's,
I think,
know, they have it's not real but it's
been shown to be one of the largest
reserves, and that doesn't get talked about. And
that's huge for AI and for everything or
the gold, for example, or plenty of other
things. But one thing we don't talk, like,
talk we didn't get into, like, Delsey Rodriguez
and the interesting overlap there and whether she's
playing him or whether she's made a deal
and, you know, where it's all going because
I don't know. We'd be it'd be guessing
at this point, but it's interesting to see
how it's played out. But one argument about
immigration. Right? So if this had gone the
way it usually goes and they just came
in and just, you know, broke things and
went crazy,
there would be a massive influx of immigration
in The United States, which happens every time.
The sanctions caused that and still do. So
it's interesting that usually they wanna create that,
but at this point, it seems they're trying
to keep it a little bit more stable.
But I think it's largely because of the
interest of the oil and more maintaining the
industry. But what the point is to make
that you're willing to now work with the
very people you just told us were monsters
and terrorists because, well, we need to profit
from the industry. It just they don't have
nothing is sacred to these people, and it's
as it's clear by everything they do. You
know? They continue to show you this or
claiming he's part of the what was it?
The, Cartel del Soles or whatever the group
was. Oh, sorry. That doesn't even exist, and
we made it up, but let's move forward.
You know? It's like Exactly. That's what we're
talking about. It's obvious, guys. It's obvious.
There's a Henry Kissinger quote where he's talking
about the Khmer Rouge behind their back. He's
like, yeah. They're murderous thugs. Don't tell them
I said that. We will work with them,
but don't tell them I said that part.
Right. I really
You know, back back when they didn't know
what's funny is how many things you can
see when, you know, at different time. There
wasn't really the it wasn't Internet or, you
know, ways to, like, rapidly to see these
things. But you look back and these people,
you know, they they will wax intellectual about
why sanctions are used to hurt people. You
know? It's like Yeah. It's all there if
you wanna look. You know? It's just crazy.
But Well, I think good
good news for the general public is is
starting to
have this epiphany
that sometimes the American empire
is you know, we talk about Somali pirates.
I mean, the American Empire is the biggest
pirate around. Exactly. And sometimes we will literally
do pirate things like take their take your
ships, take your oil, and and, you know,
you have that that
Hans Gruber moment. It's like, wait. This is
about
a theft?
And it's like, yeah. And, you know, and
since we're thinking of moving into kidnapping, you
should show a little bit more respect,
you know. And this is this is how
the American empire you you go, wait a
second. I thought we were about spreading freedom
freedom and democracy. We're emptying out the bank
vault? It's like, it's always been about emptying
out the bank vault, dummy. Mhmm. You know?
Right. It's always been about taking the resources
of this country. I mean, the book that
woke me up to this, Confessions of an
Economic Hit Me by John Perkins, laid that
out in a way that I just I
couldn't comprehend
until he laid it out in a in
a in a manner. It's like, you think
that your local bank
loans money into existence and gets you into
something a debt, and then you fall behind.
It takes back tangible assets like your house
if you fall behind in the payments. Well,
just think about that in terms of loaning
money to a country like Venezuela
to by the IMF and the World Bank
and getting them to sign on to
hydroelectric power plant
construction
projects and,
you know, and falling behind in the payments
to these international banking loan sharks. And so
I think that for for for people that,
you know,
are interested in Venezuela, like,
I I assure you the bankers were flying
in first. Before the missiles came, the bankers
were there.
They were having conversations and they sorting things
out because the governments come and go. But
those resources that are in the ground, those
will be controlled by the banks. Yep. And
they're in there working that out right now,
I I
suspect. Well, he admitted, I think, clumsily as
usual that he spoke to the to the
oil companies before he told congress, and now
they try to sort of wrap that up
behind the scenes and say, well, no. I
kind of mentioned it, but they they very
clearly it's obvious when you look at the
way it played out. You know? So this
happens, as you point out, every single time.
You know? And what I expect, if this
I'm still on the fence about what Delsey
Rodriguez is.
I think we're gonna see it, but I
I saw more today talking about her softening
to their interest and maybe meeting with the
US government. You know? It's like it that
even still could be just her trying to
not be overthrown, you know, because they're they're
still standing up there going, if you don't
do what we want, we're gonna come back
and bomb this and take you. It's like
but democracy. You know, it's just embarrassing.
But where this ultimately goes, you know, what
she does next, whether she's I what I
expect is either that she'll stay underground, and
then they'll do more, which will continue to
show you what they're really about, or she'll
sell out. And, you know, whether that means
what we just discussed, but on top of
that, I expect Israeli bases to be built.
I expect US bases to be built. I
expect you know, which we've seen in Somaliland
and every other place, and it will happen
instantaneously.
Or we'll go, oh, guess what? Israel built
a base two years ago. You didn't know
about it. Oh, okay. So now it's been
something you know? That's where this tends to
go. So I think we need to, you
know, watch this carefully,
but just as we keep discussing this entire
show, we look at the surface. You can
see these things not because of anything other
than they're obvious. Right? That's not democracy. I
I made fun of Rick Scott, for example,
where he's like, if democracy is coming back
to the area and we're like, he that's
when he said, if you don't do this,
we're gonna come in and take you out
of the way. Delsey, you better do what
The US wants, or we're gonna come in.
Because, clearly, that's democracy. Right? I mean, I
don't even know if they recognize that they
I I the self awareness may be lacking,
or maybe they just, like you said, just
wanna normalize the criminal activity and call it
democracy. But we're in a bad we're the
government's in a bad way right now. And
it's like, we can capitalize on this as
American people, and I think we should. You
know? So always appreciate your talking your conversation,
brother. Enjoy it. Well, I I appreciate you
having me on. I know that the next
time we do this,
be like spinning the wheel of,
of chaos and and whatever Yep. Whatever it's
landing on. There'll be some new
distraction that will feel extremely important in the
moment, and and maybe will be, but but,
it'll fade away. And and we'll
they'll get us round wound up and
pissed off again.
Okay. Well, quick quick prediction for fun.
Next month,
what do you think not not like let's
let's try think of something you think might
happen that no one's talking about. That might
be hard, actually. I'm trying to think of
something.
Well well yeah. Because it's because it's recently
started happening, but I just I just put
out an episode of macroaggressions called the Trump
doctrine. And and I was talking about Greenland.
I was thinking this isn't some I mean,
it it seemed like kind of like funny
when he started talking about it in the
2024.
And then but when you read about
about the
the Technocracy and the Technates and and and
these other groups, what you find is that
there's a little bit more to what he's
talking about. It's almost like he got briefed
on a meeting, kinda got half of half
of a briefing on on a meeting and
started talking about Grain on people. What? What
does this mean? There's more there. There's something
there. So I I would
but I but, again, it doesn't really fit
your criteria because people are now starting to
talk about that. But I think in a
in a month from now, it's not gonna
be like, hey. This green one thing is
is kind of a crazy idea. It's gonna
be, do we take them next week or
next month?
Yeah. And so I I would add the
I this is kind of the same point
as I just saw a notification, so it's
not exactly the same point, but Mexico.
Literally just saw I mean, I I I
was the same mind. Like, Robert's article said
the same thing. There we've seen the threats,
Cuba, Mexico, which is just crazy that it's
even being done. But
I saw something today about more motion than
that. Now Trump's saying we may have to
bomb in Mexico to go after the cartels.
Like, so it's the same kind of general
narrative about the cartels in in Venezuela. And
so that's I I think that the your
what you just said is what was on
my mind, the tech Nate. The idea of
this entire North American union, Greenland, Mexico, and
it's almost
conspicuous. Like, you know, the it's
we've been calling this out, and then it
gets kinda falling into the background, but then
it just comes right back up. You know,
I I pointed to Peter Thiel, making it
clear he wanted, I think, for Praxia. He
wanted to build in Greenland. Now I don't
think that's the primary driving force. Certainly could
be. There's other interest there. There's I forget
his name. One of these Trump related billionaires
is already buying up Greenland business. Like, it
it's clear that they see the writing on
the wall. You know? So I I agree.
I think that's gonna be the next big
sort of drive there. But, I mean, there's
plenty of things, you know, that like, the
point where I was kind of jokingly making
is that by next month, it probably we're
gonna be in another planet. Yeah. Like, something
completely different. But, ultimately, I think these things
will continue, and glad to keep calling them
out. Make sure you check out Charlie's work.
Anything you wanna leave us with on the
the way out? Any upcoming things?
Well, now well, now I'm like, I'll be
reporting to you from Mexico maybe next month.
Yeah. I'll be there for an Acapulco.
So maybe hold off on all the all
the drone assassinations
until well, actually, forever, please. Yeah. Yeah.
Especially so no. Anarkapulco, I'll be there from,
February 15 through the twentieth as the, as
the emcee for the five days herding anarchist
cats. Be a lot of fun, but it's
a it's a it's an interesting batch of
people. Good group. So for those interested in
arcapulco.com.
Awesome. Well, thanks, brother. I always enjoy it
and look forward to the next month. Good
to see you. Always question everything. Come to
your conclusions.
Stay vigilant.