Welcome to the last American Vagabond.
What the hell is happening? Another episode today
with Charlie Robinson to discuss the madness of
this crazy cycle as always. As we said
the last few times, the the the point
was kind of just
to reflect on how crazy the cycle is,
and it really does increasingly make this point.
I mean, I was even just thinking from
last time, like, you know, I just I
completely lose where we even were with the
conversation. I think that's kind of the entire
point. Right? It's like there's just so much
chaos today. So Charlie joining us again to
go over all the different madness. And the
way we kinda set this up, we don't
really much have much planned. I have different
things that I wanna get into, and the
point is to kind of just have a
good conversation about where we are with our
different work. So Charlie today with his,
macroaggressions
website as well as the activist post, don't
forget, that is the new platform he's running.
Make sure you check that out as well.
And talking to you about some crazy stuff
today, brother. How are you? Good to see
you. Yeah. It's,
it's hard to
remember where we left off. I'm sure it
was crazy,
and we probably thought it was gonna get
a little bit crazier. But,
you know, there's one We were right. When
when we were right, of course, unfortunately.
One bit of good news, I would say
interesting news, that came out this week is,
Del Bigtree
has a new movie out, and
he he got into,
he had an interaction with a doctor Marcus
Zervos,
who's a enthusiastic
vaccine supporter. And they agreed to run a
study on vaccine safety to,
you know, see unvaccinated
versus vaccinated. You know? Because a lot of
this is like, you you
you you know,
we don't have the safety studies because they
haven't done a lot of these basic tests,
and I'm sure Dell was telling him this.
And and my assumption is that it probably
was like, well, then let's just do a
study together. And the real criteria was guy
the the pro vaccine guy was was on
board to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk
about it. It's interesting. Keep going. Yeah. And
and the and the and the requirement was
that we publish the findings no matter what.
I love it. And so you go from
2016 to 2020.
It wraps up. They take a look at
the numbers.
It's a catastrophe
Of course. For the vaccine guy Mhmm. And
he doesn't publish.
Of course. But see, what's really fascinating to
me is that this shows you that he
at least, you'd assume, that he thought
that so he was wrong, and he thought
that somehow, with all the information, that he
was gonna be proven correct. That's a really
interesting thing to think about because the evidence
is shockingly obvious, but yet this guy who's,
I guess, an expert or, you know what
in the world allowed him to think that
he was right? Probably trusting experts that are
wrong. You know? It's it's a fascinating overlap.
It it's such an interesting
study in human psychology too and how people
get bought into certain things and and and
it talks you know, goes back to Yuri
Bezmenov talking about demoralization.
I can shower them with authentic information. It
won't change. They've been demoralized. And so some
of this, you you you go into it
making the assumption, oh, I'll just present logical
factual information, and then they'll see it. And
they'll go, oh, I was I didn't know
this. And then they'll come around. And then
and you do that. You have these interactions,
and people don't respond that way. And and
what happened in this case was that the
guy
didn't publish
it. So Dell hooked up, I guess, an
a hidden camera and went in and had
a a conversation with him about, like, hey,
man. Like, what what are we doing? Like,
you said you were gonna put this out.
And he said, if I were to put
this out, it would ruin my career and
end my career. Wow. You know, frankly, it
might even end your life knowing what we
know about how dark the pharmaceutical
industry could be. So that was the reasoning.
I understand
it. I don't respect it, but I understand
it. And, of course, I'm sure I'm sure
Dell,
you know, I'm sure that was a calculation
he made as well. Like, when this comes
out, he is not gonna be happy with
the results.
And then he may he may not publish.
And so I may have to, you know,
I may have to get him to publish
it or whatever. So so that's where we
are. And so, you know, I think part
of what this guy probably couldn't wrap his
head around
was that they had 2,000 unvaccinated
kids,
and not a single one of them had
ADHD
Mhmm. Diabetes,
behavioral problems,
learning disabilities,
intellectual
disabilities,
tics, or other psychological
disorders. No. But the vaccinated group did. Now
you had to see that. Yeah. To be
objective, though, I'm sure this is the way
they did it. But just to ask, was
it a randomly selected group of kids, or
did they pick kids who weren't vaccinated? Because
if they got to choose them, you could
argue, and trust me, you know I'm on
your side of this, but Yeah. And that
and that, I don't know. I'd I'd I'd
have to defer to to Dell and to
I would imagine they'd have to their votes
and who set it up and how they,
you know, sort of what the criteria was
for all of that. Historically, that's exactly what
they would do because their interest is making
sure that there's no excuse to deny the
reality, and I very much believe that. Yeah.
Now second point as well is that the
guy not publishing shows you a second thing.
Like, because, you know, I'd argue somebody wouldn't
go into this if they knew they would
have proven wrong. You know? Like, so he
must have thought he would be right, and
then he makes the conscious choice to not
do it, which shows you
his hierarchy, his career is more important, or
maybe he thinks he's threatened. But, you know,
like I said, there's no way you can
respect that or like you said, because that
is your choose so you're all you're you're
fronting about wanting to do right by people
and keep them safe with vaccines. That's clearly
not your motivating factor. Right? I mean, because
you now find out they're dangerous and you
do nothing about that. It's just it's crazy
out there in this conversation. Do you have
an article linked to that?
We can bring it up on the screen
as well. No. But I do. I haven't
heard No. But it it it was making
the rounds,
quite a few places. I think if somebody
just searched Del Bigtree, doctor Marcos I'll grab
that one. Zervos, Z E R V 0
S. And and so
elaborating a little bit more, what they did
find
in the vaccinated group Yeah. What was three
times more developmental delays, two point nine times
more motor disabilities, five point five times higher
risk for neurodevelopmental
disorders,
four point five times more speech disorders, which
I think is understandable. And this was pre
COVID, by the way. This ended in 2020.
Way worse.
Six times higher risk for autoimmune disorders, and
then that,
encompasses
80 different diseases within,
autoimmune disorders. So that opens up, like you're
six times more likely to get 80 different
types of things. Okay? So,
three times higher risk for atopic diseases, that's
eczema,
six times higher risk for ear infections. You
know, like,
you as a I'm a parent now and
and but I remember being a kid, and
I remember when kids were out of school
and they'd have be out of school for
for a variety of things, and it seemed
like ear infections was a real common thing.
And I grew up just assuming
kids get ear infections. I don't know. It's
just kind of what it is. But then
when I see that you're six times higher
risk of ear infections by being vaccinated,
I start to go, well, maybe it isn't,
like, just natural that all kids get ear
infections and needs to get need to get
tubes in their ears or whatever.
Like,
there's something else at play here. And when
it's laid out here with numbers by four
point two nine times more likely to have
asthma, how many kids do you know with
an inhaler, you know, growing up?
And and you go with it's just unlucky.
He just you know, he's you go, well,
maybe that's vaccine damage. And you start to
go back inside your own
world and start to, you know, unpack things,
go, what about that kid? And what about
that person? You know? And and you go,
my goodness. I mean, how much of this?
How much of what we just have normalized
as, you know, wear and tear, I guess.
I don't know. Just the the cost of
being alive is is in actual fact
because of these dangerous shots. And and to
have this come out,
and they had to admit so here's the
quote from it. Here's from their findings.
Quote, in and this goes to what you
said. They were expecting the different results. Quote,
in contrast to our expectations,
we found that exposure to vaccination was independently
associated with an overall
two point five fold
increase in the likelihood
of developing a chronic health condition
when compared to children
unexposed
to vaccination.
And so this did come out eventually. Is
that what you're saying? So is that okay.
So and so no. This but this came
out through well, let me let me make
sure I understand it. So Delwyn with the
hidden information basically suppose that he didn't wanna
release it. Then how did it ultimately come
out? I'm not sure. I I I'm not
sure. I I I haven't watched this movie
yet. It makes me I I feel like
Oh, that's right. That's what I forgot to
explain. Coming out. I'm assuming it all explained
in the movie. I just read an article
on it and and went down a little
bit of that rabbit hole because of, of
course, one of the things that what they
showed in the aftermath of this was that
chance of developing a chronic disease. This is
what they talked about, a two point five
fold increase in likelihood of developing a chronic
health condition. So the chance of developing a
chronic disease in the first ten years of
life,
vaccinated kids,
fifty seven percent,
unvaccinated
kids, seventeen percent. Wow.
That's a gigantic
number. Alright? And you take that and you
take these numbers that we've seen, we've all
seen the the the ratio that's coming down
unfortunately about autism, and you start to go,
okay. Well, listen.
You know, if you're new to this, like,
there's a lot of smoke here. Oh, yeah.
There's a lot of smoke.
At at at what point do you have
to recognize that maybe there's a fire? I
mean, it and I get it that there's
a lot of psychological components
at play where if you're somebody,
a parent who has
has just because you were doing what you
thought was the right thing, you have subjected
your children to this, you put them through
all this, and now you come to this
realization, and you have some kind of, like,
moral crossroads to come to where you you
either have to acknowledge that you've made a
mistake,
though it wasn't really your fault,
but or you double down and just say,
no, vaccines are the only answer. I can't
allow myself to accept the possibility that maybe
I harmed my kids in some way because
it wasn't their intention and you don't want
that guilt and you don't know how to
process all this. And so there's a psychological
side to this that I think is really,
really interesting. How again, like,
the guy probably took a look at those
results and just said,
I can't reconcile this, and I cannot go
back to work
with the people I work
with. With this, it's just like a a
huge f hanging over me. You know? I
would argue you would. I would argue I
would. Right? And that's not I I I'm
not even trying to make put us on
some pedestal. I argue there's a lot more
people out there that would, especially today with
what we've all gone through, make the conscious
choice to do things to their detriment that
might expose a larger problem. You know what
I mean? Like, I I I just don't
under I don't know how I could ever
continue my day to day life knowing that
I'm hiding something that is potentially killing that
many people. You know, it's it's just a
I just can't even reconcile that. You know,
it's but what's interesting, though, about the larger
point is and, you know, and I'm glad
you said this because this is something I've
talked about a lot,
is, you know, we have this weird idea.
Like, cancer is a big one where if
I was always just you know, people just
get cancer. No. They don't just get cancer.
Right? No. You don't just randomly get an
ear. Now there are some more common things.
Like, you can even argue, like, people that
are that swim more often can get, like,
ear infections. Right? That's correct. There's some overlaps.
Right? But the point is that there's always
a catalyst, even if we can't figure that
out. You don't just get ear infections. Right?
You don't just get cancer. There's something that
is going wrong. Your body's reacting to that,
and that's what's happening. And so what's so
crazy is we've got this normalcy. Well, you
know, yeah, it's just cold season. That's not
that's not how you look at that. You're
getting a cold because your body is suffering,
because your immune system is suffering. And so
it's so fasting that we're breaking through these
walls, but it's I think the biggest thing
to see is that people in these expert
fields are the worst in this regard. You
know? And it's just like, do you need
I'm just I'm glad Del Bigtree and the
rest are doing this. I gotta check out
the movie. I just it's I mean, obviously,
their whole career has been calling this stuff
out. That's not mean it doesn't mean he's
right about everything. There's plenty of things I
could point out that we've disagreed on, but
it's clear to me that his intentions are
to try to break this down. So I'm
glad to see that. Yeah. And, of course,
it's not to say that
vaccines give every child autism every time. Right?
This is it is sometimes outweigh the risks
for me. There there's just there's a lot
of factors at play here, and it it's
a contributing factor to it. And how much
on the pie chart people wanna assign responsibility
to vaccines, that is obviously very subjective, and
and I think people can make cases for
for for that. But but when you just
lay out the hard evidence and then also
just kind of the behavior of the person.
Yeah. If I woke up one day and
I and I realized I was that far
off base with something, I think I would
I think it would be a turning point
in my life. You know, I'd have to
just look at you know, face myself and
say, like,
how could I have that big of a
blind spot? And, you know, and and I
would be probably
an advocate for vaccine safety if I were
in his shoes. But Exactly. Of course,
you know, this is the very human side
of this. We're not all ideologically aligned on
this, and some people don't have a, you
know, they have a flexible moral compass or
they have a mortgage payment that is making
them make calculations
that that they don't love, but they have
to make and that, you know, and and
all that stuff. And, I mean, the medications
they need or, you know, there's always that
that's very common. That's always a lot of
things. An excuse. There's an there's a the
and there's a justification, I guess, in in
some ways if if you try hard enough.
But, I mean,
let's just be honest. This is this is
hurting kids. The longer we pretend that this
isn't a thing, those numbers on autism are
not getting any better.
And in world, we pretend it's not deliberate.
That's my opinion, but my god. You know?
Like, there's just really no way you break
this all down and walk away thinking, oopsie.
You know? It's just not possible for me.
And it's a it's a force
I'd call it a force multiplier if it
was for good. A force force subtractor, I
suppose, because it's not just the the child
who is sick with
autism. Mhmm. Obviously, depending on the scale, how
how how involved the parent needs to be.
But now the parent is involved
forever, for a lifetime. They can't sometimes
give that that's a child who doesn't
age up and and leave the nest. That's
a that's it turns into later in life
a massive stress for the parents. What happens
when I die? Who's gonna take care of
him? Right. You know, he's been with me
forever. The only you know? And so
it's it's it's a contagion effect. It's not
just the the the person, the the the
kids and the the numbers that we've seen,
which are astronomical and alarming,
but it's also that factor of who else
in their orbit it impacts, and it never
gets better, and it never goes away.
Yep. And and this is something that many
of us have been calling out for a
very, very, very long time, like, way, way
back before. And, you know, and same to
Wakefield and Del Bigtree, like, you know, way
ahead of most. Right? But that there's and
this is what's so crazy. I remember doing
breakdowns on this looking before there was even,
like, provable and I argue there's provable evidence
today. Just kinda going, I mean, come on.
Like, look at this rack, this s like,
exponential increase, like, over like, a perfect correlation
from 1986. Right? It's like you just can't
ignore that. And, yeah, even at that time,
I'm going, well, I'm not gonna say I
could prove this is exactly correlation. It's not
causation. But you can't go from whatever, one
in five thousand to one in fifteen or
whatever the hell it is today. And that's
the it's the same thing with cancer, by
the way. You can go from this radical
reality, you know, that over the process of,
like, twenty years, almost every American, one point
in their life, will get cancer from where
it was before. Yeah. And then, of course,
overlap that with the idea that it's pretty
much at one point at least, and I
think still somewhat today, one of the only
pharmaceutical drugs where doctors get a direct cut
of the profit of what they sell. You
know, because we live in a very broken
system, but the good thing is that people
are starting
to to see this, you know, but the
the the change hasn't happened yet. I think
it's being stifled by a government pretending like
they're fighting to change everything while they're
instilling the problem forever. You know, you know
what I'm talking about, but I'm glad we're
talking about these things, so thank you for
bringing it up today. Yeah. Yeah. I I
mean, I I think that the first step
towards fixing this is shocking people into
understanding that not only is there you know,
when you see these ratios, they they're alarming.
But but then when you you start to
see higher numbers and for,
of very specific issues.
And I think that people then can recognize
there's enough issues on this list of of
theirs that they can go, well, I know
somebody with this. And then it starts to
make you think, what was it? Because of
the shot? You know? And so if you
start to have that if you're starting to
question, that's a that's where it begins. You
know? You you then start to ask questions.
Well, maybe these maybe there's some
questions about this and may who's who's making
this? And you go, well, I'm glad you
asked. They're all convicted felons.
You know? And, they're they're and they pay
a fine for harming people, and they don't
worry about it. It's just funny that we've
you know, it's like all we can do
is laugh about something like that. It's how
crazy it is. And, you know, that's not
a hyperbolic statement. I mean, how about I
mean, Pfizer, for example. It's been literally charged
with with federal I mean, look at the
I mean, we've gone over that long Pfizer
tracker list of all the times they've lied
about safety regulations, lied about what they can
do, lied about the out the side effects.
You know, there's, like, 10 I think what
was the last time I looked, it's, like,
a it's billions of dollars. You know? But
same point with I mean, you as much
as this makes people angry to point out,
even Donald Trump is convicted despite the fact
that nothing was ever done about it. You
know? It was I we people watching the
show for the maybe new. I I'm not
gonna speak for Charlie, but I believe both
of us argue that both sides of the
paradigm, all of them, Biden and Trump, were
pretty much the same criminal. You know? But
it's it's just wild, though, to see that
we can be dealing with that face value
value and nothing changes. That's kinda what I
was gonna say about the point of all
this with vaccines and everything is, you know,
the study's right there. The evidence continues. And
I forget his name now. The guy who
was, from the CDC was the whistleblower,
top tip of my tongue, from Brian Hooker?
Yes. Thank you. He did a study a
long time ago that did the same thing.
James Lyons Wyler came out with a recent
one during COVID. All of these studies show
you that vaccinated kids are far, far more
unhealthy, and nothing continues to change. It's the
same thing I'm saying about the recognition of
Israel. You know, it's like, how is it
we keep having this I mean, I think
that's the first recognition we need to have
is that we have literally no influence on
the outcome of what's happening in this country.
And I'm I'm sorry to say that, but
we can see it. Like, things that matter,
we can all recognize the problem, and it
just continues to just be narrative and the
people at the top of the fake paradigm
scream at each other, and they go get
in front of congress and yell, and, you
know, just nothing ever changes. Not I'm not
saying that we can't fix that. I know
we can, but just we need to realize
that we're there. Same with the vaccines. You
know? The the optimist in me says this
is a coiled spring
Mhmm. Of frustration.
Oh, yeah. It is building and building and
building with
big pharma,
with the Israel lobby, with a lot of
things
that it's been it's been happening for a
while.
The noticing
Mhmm. Of a variety of topics has has
started.
There's
so it feels like
maybe
we're set to launch out of this into
a a new paradigm where people don't reflexively
trust Anthony Fauci when he comes out there
and says that we have to
spend two weeks to flatten the curve or
the next person who tries to sell the
next narrative. And people go, you know what?
It sounds a little too Fauci esque for
me.
No thank you. You're you know, what name
that whatever climate emergency. It'll be some new
guy with a white lab coat who'll say
we, you know, we looked at the at
the in the sky, and we have a
climate emergency, and so you all have to
be in your house.
And I think maybe,
you know,
I guess if I could if I could
be optimistic about what we went through over
the last five years with COVID and and
all of that is that
I think for a segment of the population,
it'll be tough to pull another one of
these tricks again because
we've been
so vocal about pointing out what they do,
why they do it, how they do it.
Look. They're gonna do this, and then they
do it. And,
and I think people have watched this enough.
It's like watching a magician,
you know, watching how he does the trick.
Next time around, next time you go to
the show, you know, I know how he
does that. I know he's got it here.
You're looking there, and he's got the thing
here, and boom.
And and so it just loses its power.
That's the thing that has been felt like
that I felt in the last six months.
The grip, the narrative control seems to be
loosening on a lot of things. People are
pushing back about vaccines and people are asking
questions about Israel and that is fantastic.
That's a great start, but of course, as
we know, it's not gonna be enough. It's
it's Yeah. You you there's going to have
to come a time where
you make some decisions. I'm not taking any
more shots. I'm not gonna allow my kids
to be a part of this. I'm not
going to do that. Or it's I'm not
going to
go to my church whose
pastor is telling me to go stand with
Israel. Like, I'm not doing that. That's crazy
talk. You know what I mean? So people
are starting to,
starting to ask questions, and and I'd say,
you know, better better late than never. Oh,
absolutely. I mean but I this is I've
talked a while back not so much recently,
but a while back about, you know, redefining
what success looks like. You know? Like, understanding
what is it I think I think what
we have to start to understand is that
there there may never be an outcome. That
what we're doing is the point. Right? Simply
standing up for what is correct and fighting
for the right things and, you know, I
I I mean, as we see it, obviously,
we could disagree as individuals, but, you know,
I think that's what this comes down to.
You know, it's the the kind of never
ending battle of good and evil. Like, I
don't think I don't there's not gonna be
some moment moment where we go, you know,
plant the flag and we did it. It's
all over. Like, it just never seems like
that's the case. So it's I just I
think it's important that we just recognize that
the momentum of awareness is the win in
and of itself. You know? A 100%.
I think that you it's very tough to
quantify this stuff. Yeah. But when when people
start start,
reflexively asking questions about things, that's good. That's
that that's a that that that's a a
place where look. I'm not trying
to tell people what to think
Mhmm. At all. I know how I feel
about things.
But I would I would I would like
to try and encourage people to
learn how to be critical about this information.
Yep. Maybe not what to think, but how
how to go about
thinking
about these process, you know, about what you're
seeing. You know, they're trying to sell me
a narrative. They're trying to convince me to
feel a certain way. I mean, my my
Twitter x feed is
trying to make me hate people.
You know what I mean? Right. But but
but the the simple awareness
of that
diffuses the power a little bit. So I
can look at it and go, what are
they trying to make me? They're trying to
get me angry. They're showing me all kinds
of fight videos today. I don't know why.
I'm not liking them. I'm not even really
watching them, but they not you know, whatever
it is. So,
again, like, if you can get this new
generation, the normies out there, not to not
I don't you think however you wanna think
about Israel or vaccines or whatever, but
just know that you're going to be sold
a narrative, that it's not going to be
true, it's gonna be very manipulative. And once
you recognize that, then you're gonna go, this
is this is nonsense. This is this is
trying to,
manipulate me into feeling a certain way. I
wonder why they're doing that. I almost actually,
you wanna feel the exact opposite way. You
know what I mean? And so you you
start to recognize this, and I think that's
the I think that to me would be
victory. Not that everybody thinks the way we
think because we're all gonna think a little
bit differently anyway. But just that they're thinking
that they're thinking about thinking. You know? That
that that is
sorely,
lacking,
unfortunately too as we've noticed in this world.
So just the thought that, like, hey, man,
you can't outsource your critical thinking to these
lunatics. They don't want what you want. You're
gonna have to be responsible for the thoughts
in your head and the information you consume
and where you get it, who you listen
to and all that stuff. And so that's
your responsibility
is to, like, filter out all the nonsense
and and get good sources. So, I mean,
like Right. And so and and to take
it a little further, you know, so it's
like the point is is is the action
of it. Like and, like, maybe maybe they're
not lying. Maybe they're using the truth to
deceive you. Right? But it's about the intent
like, questioning the intention. And maybe you never
even find out the intention because that's usually
the hardest thing to really prove or find
out in general. But it's the simple act
of going,
could they be lying? Could they be deceived?
With literally every single thing you come across.
Now that may sound exhausting, and that is
in part the the lie. Right? They've trained
you to be so
passive and just accept what's presented for you
because it's easier to manipulate people like that.
You have to question everything while considering all
possibilities.
If your intention or or desire is to
be informed and be critical, right, you could
choose to go do whatever you want. But
it it it's the problem is the people
that present themselves as being critical thinkers in
the independent mainstream alternative media and then
don't do that. Right? It's like that that's
the illusion about it. But you're right, though,
is it's like we just need to start
applying that to everything and recognize it's not
always a deception. Maybe the person saying this
is acting with the best of intentions, and
they're being deceived. It's, you know, it's very
simple. Yep. I mean, everybody truly knows this
at the core. There's just levels at which
they decide to ignore it because my guy
is the good guy, there's the bad guy.
You know, it all becomes very simple. But,
you know, it's the thing is, I think
most people out there who are being deceived
genuinely want good things
for this country. That's one of the important
things to recognize. They're not the villainous, you
know, ready to go. We're gonna screw this
person over because they're on the other side.
Most of them have been convinced that you
are the enemy because of what the other
guy said. And, you know, it's like I
just so it's so important to break down
on that. But to your point about the
spring,
it's interesting. You know, I I agree with
that entirely, and I think what we see
is the called release valve efforts. You know,
to throw you a bone and say, okay.
Well, here's a redacted Epstein list. Is that
is that spring loosening a little bit like
a little steam room out of there? You
know? And the point is that it's just
not going to happen. You know? And so
now the question is that's what I think
we both talked about many times in these
very discussions,
what seems to be happening with the technocratic
rollout, the surveillance, the kind of tightening up,
you know, the the control structure, the control
grid as Catherine discusses it, that that is
being done in an effort to make sure
we get to a place to where they
don't at this point, the spring can pop
off and it's not connected anymore. If to
go with the analogy, you know, where it
won't make an effect. They don't care what
we think or say.
That's what we're fighting. Yeah.
Yeah. I I think that's a real
a real concern. I mean, people are walking
themselves into a digital prison here, and I'm
I'm alarmed
by it. And the sales pitch is is
ongoing and, you know, I'm I'm also starting
to get a bit freaked out. Well, not
freaked out. That's not the right word. But
just
additionally alarmed,
about the consolidation
of the media under Larry Ellison Yep. In
his group. Right. That to me is is,
what's massively suspicious. I I get bad vibes
about all of it.
You know, his daughter's been involved in Hollywood
as a producer for a long, long time,
and,
it's not it's not a real stretch to
see him do this. And when you've got
all the money in the world, you start
buying assets like this. But I don't think
this is part of a broader investment
portfolio for Larry Ellison
because of his intelligence ties. I just see
this as
a megaphone for Israel and CIA
because he's he's
intertwined with both. I don't know if I
don't know where the Israel starts and the
CIA stops. You know? But you can debate
that, really. I mean, look at the outcome.
Look at the immediacy of taking over TikTok
and the very first things that happened where
it's an immediate clamp down on talking of
Israel and even censorship around the discussion of
the deal itself. You know what I mean?
Like, they're just people denying that. You know,
they just came out and clamped down. And
so the point is this is only one
element
of a much larger apparatus. Now, I mean,
almost weirdly skeptical of why he's being it's
very prominent in, like, even in mainstream conversations.
So it's kind of you know, I kinda
feel like, like, I know it's important, but,
you know, it's just one sliver of the
larger control that's been there for a very
long time. You know, we've broken down the
six companies that have basically now four, you
know, Comcast, AT and T, you know, that
run everything. And he's just one part of
that now that's kind of, you know, tightening
up one corner. You know? Yeah. He's he's
got a proposal to acquire Warner Brothers, HBO,
and CNN.
Wow. Yeah. See, Warner Brothers is a huge
one that then I this is probably behind
the scenes come down to two, maybe even
just one conglomerate that effectively controls
everything, media, print, radio. I mean, I guess,
you know, video, print, radio. That just just
think about the control that that gives somebody
today. Yeah. It's overwhelming. Yeah. Because, you know,
any good propaganda is, like, 95%
true. You know, you only have a little
bit of of the of the negative in
there. And but but this also gives them,
even if they went with, we're gonna give
you a 100% truth. Let's just let's just
say that they did that.
Where they would get you would be the
lies by omission. Exactly. It would be the
stories that were never talked about. Right. And
that's it. So it's part of this, we
have an attention span. We've got only so
much that we can take in in a
day. We're gonna prioritize what it is. We'd
love to get to that other good stuff,
but they don't make it available. Right? If
if they wanna
feed you a curated version of of the
news,
and that's all it is, and the lie
isn't anything that they told you. It's just
that they didn't tell you about this
massively important story that everybody should be talking
about that they have kept hidden. Yeah. That's
really where the danger comes in. Of course,
they will lie. Yeah. They have Smith's Month
Modernization
Act to protect them from lying. So they're,
of course, going to be lying, and it'll
be like Zionist propaganda
like you've never seen before. And, like, as
you said about TikTok, just turn off all
the accounts that are critical of that, have
AI scan for keywords, talking about this, this,
and that, boom, everybody's gone. So it's not
so much that they have to change the
opinion
of what people think about is what Israel
is doing. They just have to make it
so you can't hear anything. Yeah. And and
as they said very clearly, like, that's what
Yackarina was all about. Now she's kind of
exited stage left, I guess. But, you know,
it's just very weird that she was, like,
you know, that most people I think it
was something like 90% or she threw out
a number. I I've never looked into it,
but her claim was that that very high
amount of people will, will correct their action.
Not necessarily wrong or illegal, but just correct
whatever they want them to correct should they
give them that nudge and say, oop. You're
muted for twenty four hours. Then most people
will end up never doing that again. And
this is something I saw in regard to
people like us where somebody's trying to send
us a direct message, and they get they
get their account locked. And as somebody sent
me this twice, it happened. And so that
would probably never reach out to me again.
You know? It's it's very easy to see
how social engineering is taking place. And this
is the e this is like the the
benign
on surface kinda stuff. Like, god only knows
the kinda stuff they're doing in very deep
algorithmic and channeling kind of, you know, getting
us in certain groups and pressing ideas and
seeing how we respond. I mean, this is
all this is happening like split second AI
kind of training algorithm decisions right now. It's
I mean, I I don't I don't think
we even fully grasp the level to which
this is happening, you know, or we've talked
about this before.
It it is it it really is tough
to to
fully grasp
how this information can be used. I mean,
like, I have a marketing degree. And if
the extent of what Google was doing
was trying to tailor make
the AdSense ads to so that if I
know I'm looking to buy a new suit
because I emailed somebody about it, then I
get an ad for
places that sell new suits, whatever.
I could live with that
because of my marketing background. Wouldn't love it,
but I can live with that. But it
is now turned into them knowing what you're
going to do before you do it, and
that and and and you go, oh, that's
crazy. That would never happen. And you start
to read some of the papers of the
the technology that they have, and you go,
oh my god. This this this how how
is this
how is this happening? You know, how is
this true? Am I I I tell the
story of of my wife telling having a
a a funny dream where she in in
her dream,
she had she woke me up. She was
like, hey. I I I detailed our car,
and she had taken her car and put
Kansas City Chiefs stuffs all over the car
in this dream for some reason. Mhmm. And
she told me the dream, and I was
like, that's crazy. Then she told her mom
the the story of the dream, and her
mom laughed. And then, like, two days later,
all the ads on her Facebook were decals
and stickers for Kansas City Chiefs stuff for
her car. And so she showed me that.
I was like, yeah. Yeah. They're listening to
you, and they're they're doing all this, and
it's really creepy. And it's and and nobody
appreciates it, but it's it's gone
beyond that now. Well, and it's also nudging
decisions. Like, you may see, we noticed that
because it happens to connect. It's all the
things you don't notice. Right. It's all the
imagery that you don't even think about that
are infecting what you think about that day
and what you wanna buy later. So your
political you know, it's just you know and
this is not even getting into the digital
twins overlap, which we've talked about as well.
This is just algorithmic predictive models. Like, you
know, you overlap that with, like, the actual
mapping out of your day to day actions
that you've ever done your entire life since
you were born that's been recorded, and then
adding
adding what we say
right now to the real time feed of
what that thing does and it's a little
sim city. You know, those those are very
real and actually happening. You know? It's like
that that's so far beyond what we can
even think about. You know? And that's I
I'm of the mind that this is beyond,
like I mean, it's it's think about the
world in which the like, predictably, they could
forget the numbers. Like, high percentages decide what
you may do next week on a Tuesday
at 3PM. Mhmm. But what if it's gone
beyond that and it quite literally is predictive
at this point? Like, that's not that far
fetched to where it's like they could literal
and then what that does for a government
and deciding what to buy and what to
do and actions to take in the world,
and now you're just literally gaining society. You
know? That's what I think they're trying to
do. Maybe already there. If you wanna take
some acid and and read a Philip k
Dick book and think about all this, they
may be just figuring out the best way
to predict where you're gonna be, so they
only have to render your world in that
little region
and not render the rest of the universe
for you because you're in some deep simulation.
You know what I mean? Like, you never
I mean
It, yeah, it gets but, see, it gets
so abstract that there's you know, especially for
somebody like me where I'm just like, okay.
I mean, I am interested as hell by
stuff like this. Like, it's even like you
get into, like, the nanotech, and it's like
some of that is pre provable today, but
it gets to a point where you're like,
okay. You know, it's it's like trying to
discuss what's going on on the moon. It's
like, how do we ever think we can
prove any you know, we the experts say
you know, it's like you never really know.
And so for that kind of stuff, I'm
just like what I do, I'm like, well,
I'm just gonna go to what I can
prove today. That's the best I can do.
Sure. But it's like, you know, that stuff
seems very much like it's not just real,
but it is going to have an immediate
effect on our lives very soon, if not
already, like you're saying.
And and to be fair, just because it's
not provable right now by you doesn't mean
that it isn't actually happening. So Exactly. But
but we have to, and you and I
have always been pretty good about differentiating
between when we're talking about something we can
prove and when we're speculating because we have
to. So it's fun to speculate, and there's
a lot there's a mysterious universe out there.
And and I,
you know, I don't pretend to know how
it all works. And I wonder sometimes
if they think they know how it all
works, you know, because when you start to
hear things about Ronald Reagan bringing in astrologers
and all that and how billionaires are using
astrologers and you go, wait a second. Wait
a second. I that was all this stuff
is kinda dismissed.
I was dismissive of it, and it was
very kooky. And then you start to look
into it, and you go, well, maybe there's
a little
I don't know. Maybe there's a little more
magic to this whole place than than what
we're led to believe. And of course, as
I get older, I start to learn just
about everything I was taught
was a lie or something, you know. Right.
Everything becomes like
Possible. A possibility. You're so open to interpret
open to questioning, you know? So I hope
I never lose that. I hope I'm always
sort of asking, like, you know, what's going
on there? You do this long enough. You
realize very quickly that it's like, okay. You
you if the moment that you close off
your mind to any possibility is the moment
you start to lose sight of, you know,
I mean, any number of things. Like, you
I'll
put it this way. It's amazing to me
how many times I've gone through these things
where it's something that I was not versed
on that I would have immediately dismissed in
other parts of my life, where you come
to find out that's quite literally what's happening.
And you just kinda go and if you
had been like, oh, that's fake news, or,
oh, that's something I'm supposed to believe is
fake, you would have never even had been
open to the possibility of the evidence that
set you on that path. It's just ignorance,
willful ignorance to do that, you know, learned
helplessness. It is always within your power. You
know?
But let's Yeah. Oh, good.
Well, I've the part of what has happened
in American culture
has that this this willful
ignorance is is somehow
elevated
proudly. You know, it's like like,
I I don't don't know nothing and I'm
proud of it, you know. Yeah. It's like,
well, wait a second. Where's that intellectual curiosity
to figure out how the world works? And
don't you get I get offended when I
think I'm being lied to. And I feel
like the people on TV are lying to
me and my politicians are lying to me,
and I I take it personally and get
pissed off about it. Don't you? Well, and
no. You know? I think it's cognitive dissonance.
I I just think they get uncomfortable
by it and, you know, or it undermines
the team that they see themselves being on
as a part of their identity. You know,
there's a 100 different ways that people just
kinda go, you know. I I sadly, some
of them that very much see it and
choose to ignore it, but I think most
are just people that are brushing up against
it and just close down to it because
they've been trained to in a a thousand
different ways, you know.
And don't stand out. Don't don't stand out
from the herd. That's it's dangerous.
The herd doesn't love it. You know, you
put a target on yourself. You know, maybe
you know, after you do that a couple
times in life, sometimes you learn to just,
you know, not try to get out of
the crab bucket. You know, you try to
pull everybody else down because you you want
them down there with you. So, again, it
goes back to, like, the psychology of people
and how they see themselves. And and what's
been fascinating to me over the last couple
of months has been this this new I
don't know if it's a study or it
was an article or something that came out
talking about people with or without inner monologues.
And I think that brought up a whole
new thing where people are going, well, wait
a second.
Do I have one? Do do you not
have one? I have one. Do you not
have one? I have one. And and the
other so it was like, you know,
what was it? The red dress, blue dress
there or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Or that The
gold dress, blue dress. There's always one of
those every so many every so many months
or something. Yeah. But that that's interesting though
because, I mean, that would be pretty weird
to suddenly realize that you are the other,
you know, like, what you guys do? You
know, like, what? That would be a pretty
weird thing to realize that you're somehow different.
But, I mean, I would argue that really
just comes down to an intelligence thing. You
know? Like, whether or not you're like because,
you know, look, frankly, you're probably much happier
if you're just, like, literally like, I I
I think about this in my life in
ways that I think I am unique. Like,
I think the reason I'm good at that
that I'm, like, kind of made for what
I do here in this for to a
degree is that I have an ability to
sort of, you know, sometimes not, sometimes stuff
sits with me, but kind of
after I get done work, just kinda focus
on my garden or what I'm doing and
just I'm present. You know? And and you
find a piece in that that you're not
constantly just reviewing all the things in your
mind. And if I wasn't capable of that,
I feel like, you know, I this stuff
would which people I've known in this have
just kind of burned out because it's too
much, and I get it. You know? But
to somebody like that that just you're always
kinda focused on the current moment, that's probably
probably pretty happy at the end of the
day. Yeah. Envious.
There's there's a lot of, you know, there's
a lot of this stuff that it's like,
you you wanna know because you wanna know
what's out there and you wanna know where
the potholes are in life so you can
avoid them and you you you know, you
need to get educated on the health industry
because it impacts you and things like that.
You know? But,
a lot of this stuff, like, I'm just
curious.
Why do I wanna know? I just wanna
know how it all works, man. I don't
know. I don't have any sort of, like,
idea that I'm gonna fix it all. And
so I I've I've
in some respects, I think that sort of
helped to be a little bit detached and
not be, like, so associated with one team
or the other. Because if you do that,
you'll be constantly disappointed in in the behavior
of your group. You know, your group will
let you down over and over again. But
if you can somehow
remove yourself and I've had to do this
in my language as well
when I talk about what we're doing in
The Middle East. I have to go, no.
No. No. No. I'm not doing any of
this. I have to reframe that. So so
part of it is, like, even allowing
myself to get retrained on the language so
that I'm not enabling them. I'm not including
myself in their war crimes
just because
I was born here. I don't have to
sign on to all their insanity.
And we all fall in that too. We
all it's it's it's kind of, you know,
it's it's just a language thing. It's very
simple. You know? And, you know, but but
you're right. I mean, that that I even
with that, how aggressively I make that point,
I still often go, you know, like,
basically end up conflating the government and the
American people. You know? It's very important to
be, like, the government do this. We did
not the country did not do this. The
government did that. You know? Very very important
difference there. But let let's talk about some
of this two party like, there's a couple
of things I wanna get into to to,
like, the latter half of this is let's
talk about the kind of well, I'll I'll
we'll start with a point they're making about
the no kings rally, but let's just talk
about the,
you know, left wing terror,
two party illusion, the weird kind of building
alarming divide about Antifa and, like, how you
know? And I think neither of us I
don't want you to speak to this, but
neither of us, I would argue, are of
the mind that, you know like, there is
a level of Antifa organization. You can't deny
that. And whether there are groups that are
just doing these things that I wouldn't argue
a part of some massive funded thing. There's
also
organized elements of of political movement that aren't
necessarily terrorism, whether or not they're being funded
by billionaires or not. It's a very, very
alarming thing that they're doing right now, and
it benefits the government over all Americans.
But also the overlap with that around, you
know, lacking accountability
and then how that kinda ties in. I
wanna touch on at least the end about
Israel and the the the the weirdness around
how all this seems to connect. But let's
I'll bring this up. This is what I
was, looking at. I just had just kind
of set my mind. Ted Cruz says, this
is today or yesterday. Excuse me. There's considerable
evidence that George Soros and his networks are
funding the no kings rallies. Probably.
I I sure as hell would like to
see that evidence that they love to say
and never seem to be able to verify.
But here's the interesting thing to start on,
and then you take it wherever you want,
is that, you know, would it be well,
it's not illegal for anyone, including a billionaire,
to fund political action.
You know, that's just simply the reality. But
when does it become terrorism, and have they
made this line? And, like, you know, like,
I think I well, I would clearly argue
that George Searls is a problem when it
comes to the way these things work, just
like I think Elon Musk, in the same
exact way on the other side of the
conversation or many others like that, can be
manipulative and to the point where it becomes
illegal. But the way it's being used right
now, especially without proving it, I just think
it's a trap. And I think that's where
it's going. So what do you think about
all this?
Well, I think that
we're in some dangerous territory here with the
Antifa side of things because
there is a temptation
to wanna say that's a domestic terrorist organization.
But when you because, of course, they are.
Right? But Well, it can. Yeah. When you
do that,
you then now you've made them that's a
legal designation. They're now a domestic terrorist operating
in the homeland on the battlefield, and so
they can get black bagged and taken away.
And you go, yay. We got Antifa off
the street.
And
then the election comes and Gavin Newsom becomes
president,
and then that power is normalized and in
the hands of that lunatic
who, by the way, is no better than
Donald Trump, of course, just a different flavor
of insanity. Right. But then they will weaponize
that and they go, oh, look at the
Proud Boys. They're all domestic terrorist organization
operating in the homeland on the battlefield. And
so they get rounded up and taken away.
And so anything
that this is the important part I want
the the
the right side, the conservative side to remember
is that any of these powers that you
grant to your guy will be given to
the other guy eventually and used against you.
So just be very careful about what you're
supportive of when it comes to this because,
you know, it's Antifa today.
Right? But it's you guys tomorrow.
And and if you remember
back in 2015,
2016, the Jade Helm simulation exercise, one of
the things that they were simulating
was they were looking for enemy combatants, domestic
terrorists. And what were they looking for specific
specifically,
constitutionalist
was what the guy was talking about.
So you can just envision how this would
be used. And and that unfortunately is the
problem that, like, a lot of these people
get to is they can't think just I
don't need you to think 10 steps ahead.
Just think one step ahead. Just just one
more. Mhmm. The the the power that is
granted to your
favorite
politician will be given to your enemy
in four years or eight years or whatever.
And it will most definitely be used against
you, and it will be worse,
you know, because then they will be coming
for revenge. That's what happened now, it seems.
Right? It's it's like a never it's an
always continuing tit for tat kind of escalation
between but, you know, I don't know if
I think that the individual parties are like,
I'm of the mind that most of them
are very aware of the of the lack
of real division. But my my thing is
that I mean, that is always the most
important thing to start with is that if
look. Even if you think everything they're doing
is right, it's it's going to end up.
And if you think that's a problem, that
the other side will use it back, well,
then that should show you that what you're
doing is wrong. Simple. Right? Just really know
it's wrong if it's wrong. It's not only
right or it's not, you know, the idea
is that they frame it as, well, they
are the bad the good guy fighting the
bad guy, so it's okay. The other side
is the other way around. So even though
in principle, it's the same, it's that's just
it's a there's no logic to it. But
the other the other side will frame them
as the good guys and you hit the
bad guys. So if you eat Right. But
so it'll all come back on you and
and that is the state that's what the
state does and the state
loves this. They have a monopoly on violence.
They love violence.
They love Antifa. Don't get don't, you know,
kid yourself that they're like, oh, this is
terrible.
This is this gets things done. These are
color revolutions. We've been doing this in Europe
for fifty years. I mean, it's extremely effective.
You put you put a little bit of
money behind some some events. I just I
to me though,
like the idea, the no kings rally,
I from a branding messaging standpoint, I think,
well, you know, if there was a king,
would he allow these protests? Probably not. Right?
If you actually if we had an actual
king, he'd stomp these protests out. So the
fact that you're having a protest called no
kings, sort of by itself,
sort of an admission that there aren't really
actually kings Yeah. Because you could be able
to have a protest. You could make the
argument that that's the point, is that we're
protesting to there shouldn't be kings and that's
where going. We both agree that that's where
the power continues to consolidate. But let's be
clear. In no way am I saying that
I think these I mean, look. That's it's
politically manipul it's politically motivated. There's no way
around it. It's about politics. What's funny is
we've gotten to a point to where now
being politically motivated is somehow inherently of, like,
underlying criminality.
Like, it can't be for sure. But the
reality is all they're really doing from both
sides is framing any kind of political momentum
as somehow being a a terrorist underlying problem.
That applies both ways, guys, like Charlie was
saying in the beginning. Like, I'm not gonna
argue that you like, you can clearly see
like, let's just make it again a broad
point. Like, a Soros or just another faceless
billionaire that decides to come in and spend
money to fund a group and to get
new signs and whatever else. Is that a
crime? It's not a crime. Period. Right? It
can amount to more of a criminal activity
when you do something beyond that, you know,
like, especially when it comes to more manipulative
actions, but just being able to fund that
is not a crime. So it's interesting because
we see it happen both ways. But so
I understand the way that's manipulated, though. I
know as we can see what what one
more step back, actually. What we're talking about
here with from their side is the conflation
of people protesting no matter where funded from
and how highly funded and organized with Antifa
as a terrorist organization committing violence. You see
that that's the illusion right there they're creating
is they're going, well, now, anytime we can
prove, let's say, Soros funded something, of course,
only going from one side, as we all
know if you're paying attention, it's both sides
of the paradigm do this, that then you
say that that is now the violence and
we can shut down their protests. I just
think it's so clear to me how this
is being manipulated. Now I think, additionally,
we know and we've talked about that the
FBI
will front us these things. Like, so so
what's crazy is that about they're trying to
go after using this people just on the
left. That's what's so crazy to me. And
I'm not even going after politicians, just random
people out there protesting, some of which are
just people who believe what they're doing. We
know that is a part of this, just
like it happens on both sides. And so
what you're doing is creating this error where
they are if they're wearing black and have
a mask on, let's say, or just look
like a lefty, therefore, now it's some kind
of terrorism. And we all and we Patriot
front is the same thing on both sides
of it. But the other thing is, like
you mentioned, that MAGA
this to your point in the beginning point,
this is where it's swinging back around. There
are people right now going, just wait until
we declare MAGA a terrorist organization. Some pretty
prominent accounts, by the way. What happens then?
Well, then they're gonna make the same argument
like we said that now if if you're
MAGA, you're part of an organized terrorist network.
And they're gonna go, we know it, and
we're the ones doing it right. And, you
know, and all you do is build both
sides of that problem.
But I think the real core here is
how they're using this even if it's based
on truth. In many cases, it can be,
and it has been about organized manipulation
to the case of violence or political subversion.
The point is that now they're framing it
as literally everything that happens and whether they
can even prove that Soros Fund did it,
whether they can even prove that individual protests
are part of that organized network to begin
with or just people protesting who call themselves
antifascist. You know what I'm saying? It's so
clearly lacking of the principle. But I know
I get pushback from people who just wanna
go, but, Ryan, we know the left x,
y, and z. You can't fight that. You
know? People in my audience feel that way.
I it's I just think it's so obvious
how this is being played against us, and
it's only gonna amount to a less rights
and more manipulation. You know? Well, I if
the Antifa had history classes, they would learn
about the brown shirts, and the brown shirts
had ended very poorly for them as the
SS was, grown as a parallel organization and
then eventually turned on the brown shirts and
wiped them out. That is, of course, what,
Antifa's role is. They're the the group that
comes in and starts the chaos to to
create the pretext for the revolution.
Even that, like, in, like, the FBI overlap
sense?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come in and and and
and be the chaos agents.
But then
after you've done the after you've
had the revolution,
those guys become a liability, not an asset.
Right. They go up against the wall as
Bezhanov says in in their shot
because that's their only function is to is
to create chaos early on so that they
create the justification for his rise to power.
But once you're empowered, we don't need you.
You're going to be a big problem because
you're clearly easily whipped up into a frenzy,
so we'll just get rid of all those
people. That's Antifa. They don't understand their history,
so they don't know where this is gonna
go. And
and listen, there is a genuine reason for
people to be frustrated. That's the part about
this that makes it all kind of, in
a way,
legitimate because you the because or,
you know, it's like if everything was fine
and people were protesting, it would stand out
like a sore thumb. You would think, this
is weird. Things are great. Why are you
guys out here? This feels very artificial.
But because things are bad and because people
are genuinely
frustrated
and for a variety of reasons, financially, socially,
whatever, they're either for the migrants or against
them, whatever. They're they're angry about everything and
of course, they've been weaponized.
Like,
now
is the time that an Antifa
backed, you know, Soros backed group like this
could easily pull something off because
there's already
sort of a underlying
atmosphere of revolution,
sort of. You know? Like, there's a lot
of people that are that are that are
kind and now whether they'll do anything about
it. I don't know. I mean, I think
there were so many people that neutered, but
there's a frustration. And it's on both sides
too. Yeah. But don't you see the problem
with the like, okay. So I think we'd
agree the principle is the point. Right? So
if somebody breaks the law, present the evidence,
target them with a crime. Pretty I think
it's very simple. Like, the game of going,
you're a domestic terror. It's it's the point
is if there's criminal activity, they don't need
some larger app or some way to broaden
out the context and be like, well, you're
next to that person and you chanted the
right thing, so you're part of the network.
You know, it's it's alarming to see how
this is being played. I'm not disagreeing with
anybody here and you, anybody in the chat
about the reality
of how this can be used and, subversively,
to manipulate this country. The point is when
we allow them to point to the thing
they're in part creating, like you're saying, to
rationalize the next steps, we're digging our own
grave. Right? And I think we just need
to be very clear about the fact that
you can have people out there and they
break a window, they come and even if
you if you can prove, and I mean,
with evidence, not in saying it online, that
there is a network
organized effort. They're online going, we got this
funding. Let's go out and break all these
windows, or the plan was to plant a
bond, then present the evidence and charge them.
But outside of that, it becomes this abstract
catchall argument where they can apply it to
literally anybody
just like they did against the right when
it was the other way around. You know?
And and we were of the mind that
everybody in a red hat was a terrorist
because it's a stupid thing to say. Just
like not everyone in a black shirt and
a mask is a terrorist or any of
them for that matter. You know? It just
seems so easy to recognize how this will
be used against us. And so when we
frame it as, like, you know, that they
are this or they are that, it's the
same as we're talking about as saying the
government or we. You know, it's like the
reality is there are people that are doing
things, and we need to prove that and
charge them with a crime. Everything else is
the government taking advantage, in my opinion. American
Al Qaeda.
Just this put together this database that have
pop up agitators that just
are some of them. Some of them are
on the government payroll. Some of them are
there for the party. Unfortunately, we're now in
a digital era where
regardless of what your intentions or how you
feel about an event,
if you're there, if you're just actually there,
your signal is being picked up by the
the flock cameras and the It's really
I'm choosing against Republicans. Yeah. You know, you're
get yeah. You're you're you're getting you're getting
all of this or you're you're you go
to the
the Charlie Kirk funeral and all your info
is picked up by Israel. Or you go
to the Christian churches and all that's some
partnership deal where all your cell phone info
is being tracked by. You know, all so
we're in this weird data collection where,
are you a part of Antifa?
No.
Well, how do you prove that you were
at the event? It's like, we're just gonna
ping your cell phone and and then that
gets into some weird dystopian
tech fantasy for these people where they start
making associations
based on where you are. And, of course,
that'll be very wildly inaccurate, of course, but
I think that might even be part of
the equation. But but but to say, well,
you were there. You know? Like, we we
deterred the precrime. You know? Maybe we've seen
the precrime coming. Just like January 6. Yeah.
You know? It's it's all the same game.
You know? That's why I just really need
conservatives of all this recognize how, you know,
what a lot of them are doing, and
I get the the feeling
of of, you know, one, revenge, like you
were just saying, but or of going after
what appears to be obviously a manipulative problem.
But don't take the bait. Right? Don't turn
around and do the same thing where where
you start subjectively arguing that anybody there you
know, look. Being part of whatever they decide
to call terrorist group, you know, it's it's
it's it's this look. If they turn around
and declare MAG a terrorist group, the the
argument legally
would be that you are now a terrorist
because you are associated with that, not because
you ever committed a crime. It's arbitrary. It's
exactly what the government can do about anything,
like they've done about groups that they've literally
funded and used against us throughout the world.
So I just wanna stress again that what
they're doing with this is subjective,
not to say that there's not provable evidence,
but if they had that, they should present
that and charge people individually with crimes. They're
laying out a broad argument and then just
going after people, by the way, who interestingly
happened to be the same group that overlaps
with people protesting against Israel for Palestine. What
a coincidence. As Israel floods us with this
information, it floods us with I mean, it's
undeniable.
You know, I I don't know. I'm of
the mind that that is a harder point
right there for conservatives to identify
because
even conservatives that see a lot of the
things we talk about are still, you know,
maybe of the mind of the left is
the problem kinda thing. But I just don't
know how we don't recognize that when most
of them do see Israel and we could
recognize the manipulation they're in. You know, the
how Palantir and ICE is not being used
just against immigrants or even just against the
left. You know? It's we're building the cage
around us. You know? And I I just
I'd like to believe that more people out
there can recognize how easy it is to
use something like we started with, especially if
it's built in the truth, like going after
Antifa. You know? Like, do you think they're
gonna arrest George Soros? I don't. And they're
gonna say that. You know? So that's my
that's the kind of the crux of the
point. If they keep yelling George Soros and
yet pick up a a random kid with
purple hair who's not even part of anything
just wearing a black shirt, you know, that's
clearly not well, you know, I'll say the
last thing. You out there listening, if you
believe I'm wrong, I could be,
you show me when they get an organized
like, something is charged. Here's our RICO case.
Here's how we can prove the actual organized
effort, not just individuals they're claiming happen to
be wearing a Palestinian flag. You know? I
argue you're gonna recognize quickly if you focus
on that that it's never been about what
they're claiming, just like it wasn't when it
came to the right.
Well, they were they're not gonna arrest George
Soros. He's their partner with USAID and National
Endowment for Democracy. He's been doing regime change
operations for them internationally for thirty years.
He's he's their man or at least since
the early two thousands. He's he's their man.
Yep. You know? I agree. I agree. He's
not going to jail, but they'll they'll make
a spectacle of it because they they know
how to you know, they they love the
the
the chaos of it all because in the
aftermath of that, they can come and crack
down on everybody and and and not, you
know so so, yeah, I hope the MAGA
people
can see this. It's,
it's kind of important.
It's kind of important to recognize this. You
don't wanna walk into any traps. Again,
like, just a reminder that that what what
has been done,
you
know, you know, where when the government is
using its force
to go after the people that you want
them to go after.
Right. It's tempting
if you're it's tempting to be enthusiastic
about that. But you just you just have
to understand that this is a they're they're
a soulless monster, the government, and they will
turn on you, you cannot reason with them,
you can't sit them down and explain it
all away, and this is why parents tell
kids, like early on good parents tell kids
early on, don't talk to the cops. Right.
You're not gonna go and explain it and
make everything better. You're gonna make everything
just don't do that. And so same thing.
Don't interact with your government. Don't don't go
to these don't walk into these traps.
These are these are obvious the j six.
You mentioned that. J six, you know, I
get it. You're angry. There's plenty of reasons
to be angry. You want your voice to
be heard and and all of that. And
and you wanna and you think that in
a big group, maybe that'll get your point
across and CNN won't be able to pretend
like you're not there. I I understand all
that, but, like, you have to think, like,
the way they think. Wait. This is all
intelligence
driven.
They're gonna be you're you're they're gonna be
gathering info on you. They're you're walking into
a trap and
whether it's j six or the next one
that comes because there will be a reason,
and there'll there'll be something that will happen
as we know that will get everybody whipped
up into a frenzy demanding
something be done. Just be careful about these
problem reaction solution scenarios where we get into
where you start shaking your fist at the
sky demanding
some solution that you would have never thought
of years ago, and then you go, how
did I even get here? Right. You know?
And it's it you just get walked in
as David Icke says, the totalitarian
tiptoe. You just absolutely walked yourself into it.
Right. And,
but but awareness
is just a massive key in this the
whole time. As soon as you you're aware
that you're being watched or you're aware that
this is going on, it it changes your
perception of reality, and it and it puts
you in a position to to be less
impacted by this. So so to the extent
that you can be paying attention and grab
those people
near you and say, hey,
this is what I see. You might wanna
check it out. You know how it is.
You can't reach everybody. There's even your some
of your closest friends, there's just a wall
there. But for those who who have the
eyes to see it or the ears to
hear it, like, we have to get this
information out to people because it would be
a damn shame if somebody did something stupid
because they got whipped up into a frenzy
over some manufactured
event that could have very easily they could
have easily avoided. Yeah. And I argue that's,
you know, in a large way how these
things tend to happen. You know, the random
people that do actually get kind of just
worked up, you know, from through psychological manipulation,
through for pro war material, through
antidepressants, and, you know, whatever else happens. And
I think that it's you you know, there
are cases where I think these things are
used like that, but I also agree that
there are I believe that there are things
that are organized too. But let's let's finish
with a few points
and finish with talking about, you know, with
the Israel overlap, but I'll include this for
what we're just saying. This is, random account,
Jack,
153,000
followers, saying, what what the f? Shocking report
reveals Mexican cartels are teaming up with left
wing terror networks inside The United States. This
is this is just a this is, guys,
play one, two, and three. I don't think
our government truly knows how to recreate. This
is just another angle of the same kind
of tropes they've been using. I'm not for
all we know, it's real. I'm saying the
idea is like every other repackaged idea of
foreign policy and everything. The government this is
the same old style the government always uses.
They're they're offering massive cash bounties for the
assassination of top border officials. Now I would
love to see any kind of evidence that
can prove this actual break that we can
the left wing's terror arming you know, working
with cartels. What I think it probably stems
back to is the obvious reality that the
US government has always worked with these cartels,
including
literally from August.
The DEA got caught laundering $19,000,000
of cartel drug money into cash and crypto
and even helped cover up that it happened.
Nobody cares about this. You Patel's out there.
No one's above the law or we're going
after the drug cartels and they're poison while
sporting vaccines and ignoring this story. Just it's
funny. And then on a one quick overlapping
note, the d h DHS had remember the
big raid with all the helicopters in in
Chicago, and they came down from the zip
lines? It turns out that only one person
that has a connection to Tran de Aragua,
and that's it. If that, ultimately provable. They
came in saying everybody in the entire building
was Tran de Aragua. There's just so many
lies swirling around all of this. And on
accountability,
Eric Dougherty simply says, Cash Patel announces the
location
of 5,400
children victims of criminals. The location?
FBI has found the located
all these children. I've heard these kinda weird
claims a bunch of times. What I think
is funny is even if he did good,
that's good. I'm glad it happened. But I
feel it's weird. There's a lot of these
kinda statements that never seem to be backed
up with anything. But then, of course, most
people going, good. Good. Where's the Epstein list?
And I think it's funny. Good. Did you
did
5,400
children, did you arrest anybody?
Exactly where I was going. Right. Exactly. They
never
story. I'll I'll point out Jones on the
third twenty third talking about his big, big,
big insights coming from the DOJ about everybody
being wrapped up and marched away and back
in 2024 doing the same thing about Klaus
Schwab and and Gates, everybody else if we
can keep Trump alive, you know, or this
Patel for the forty fifth time since he's
been in this position talking about how how
Nancy Pelosi is a terrorist and Obama is
a criminal and, you know, and and James
Comey, it turns out, by the way, neither
of James, Comey or Leticia James seem like
they're actually gonna be held accountable because the
cases seem to be completely set up to
fail. I just wanna lay that out there
how ridiculous it is that there's so much
manipulation going on. And then I wanted to
end with just talking about Israel. I've got
points we can get into. But if you
have any comments and all that, because I
think this, you know, overlapping, I think what's
crazy is that we can see that we're
always the two party illusion is always kinda
driving us into a place where we're trying
to pick sides. Right now, I've never seen
more of a flimsy stance from this. I
just don't know why anybody trusts these people
right now. It blows me away. No. It's
tough. It's tough to take them seriously.
But but also, I feel like this maybe
this is end of empire behavior.
You know? It feels like they're stealing everything
that isn't bolted down, you know, and the
the
the insanity
is
is running rampant. It it feels very
disjointed. End of,
fourth turning
esque. We have financial
situations that are, like, blinking red indicators, like
gold going through the roof, silver at all
time highs. You know, all these things, everything
kinda happening at once. It feels,
little
disorienting
in in a sense. So you come kinda
don't know where to if you're a finance
guy, of course, you focus on the finance
stuff. But if you're if you're like, you
and I did we sort of cover a
little bit of everything.
I'm having a hard time prioritizing
Yeah. I agree. What I think is the
most important because, obviously,
the technocracy is is creeping, and that's one
of those things that if if if you
if they lock the door, you're locked in
there for good, and that's a huge problem.
So that to me feels like the priority.
But then I look in and I see
the social engineering happening, and I go, oh,
this we gotta get a handle on this.
And then the frankenfoods are out there, and
I go, well, maybe, hang on a second.
Right. Food is the most important thing. We're
all gonna be eating poison if we don't
focus on this, and maybe the technocracy will
collapse, but we're definitely gonna need the you
know? So
it feels
like there's a lot
To quote to quote Alex Jones, it's all
happening. But in this case, it it might
actually be. Yeah. Right. You know, but he's
he's been right. He just now that it
actually starts, he doesn't talk about it. Right.
That's fantastic.
But yeah. He's been screaming about it all
happening forever. It's finally happening.
Can we talk about it? But yeah. No.
I I, you know, I agree. I mean,
it's just it's it's it is it's it's
hard to
I mean, for me, I think it's I
mean, I'll speak for myself. I mean, the
the most
livestream genocide, if not the largest, in in
time I mean, everything about this is the
biggest and most alarming thing I've ever seen
in my life. And I I don't even
know how we can even argue that there's
anything else anywhere, not individually, like, you know,
from an American perspective, but just in a
global sense. It's it's but yet I then
like you're saying, I'm like, okay. You know,
as an American broadcasting, I've talked about what's
going on there a lot. I'm gonna continue
to. It's like I try to, like, is
this more important today to focus on this
move and the technocratic, you know, agenda and
how it does connect Israel. You know? I
I I get I every day I go
through that, which is very difficult to think
about on top of the fact that if
I when I lay out everything, it's like,
okay. That's an eighteen hour show. I can't
do that today. You know? It's like, I
have to think about how I'm gonna organize
this. So it it becomes this game, I
hate to even call it that, where you
where you're what horrible important thing am I
gonna put off today? It kills me every
day.
Yeah. For
us, at least, it's not lies by omission.
We're not leaving them out because we're trying
to manipulate. It's like Oh, I talk about
it the next show. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. We're we're gonna get to it. Yeah.
You know, it's just that I can't do
it right now. I can't talk about that
in this very moment because we're we're trying
to put out another fire over here. We're
we're trying to raise awareness of of an
issue that we think needs to needs massive
attention now because it's early on and something
can be done about it, and so we're,
you know, we're focusing on the technocracy.
Does that not mean that we're worried about
the vaccines?
I'm definitely worried about that. And then as
you mentioned,
the crazy part is how it all interlocks
anyway. You know? I mean, you you you
you could
you could only focus on the technocracy
and still wind up in the vaccine area
Right. Because of how you how you get
there through through everything that they're doing with
mRNA. And so it's it's just,
in some respects, overwhelming, but I suppose the
best thing to do for us is to
just remember, like,
take care of yourself, take care of your
family, take care of the people close to
you, the people you can reach,
be proactive in everything that you do,
you know, because you'll feel like you're doing
some it's it's easy to feel kinda helpless
when there's, like, all this bad news and
you feel like, what am I gonna do
about it? Well, take care of you. You
know, it sounds a little selfish but like
take care of the things that are controllable
for you. Like do you have storable food?
Just get that and cross it off your
list. You feel like you're on your way
towards doing things. Get your money
out of the bank or reevaluate that relationship
with the bank and start doing the things
that you know you should be doing now.
And in doing that and then being proactive
in that regard, you start to feel less
helpless and more like, well, I mean, it's
coming, but at least I'm prepared in these
aspects of my life. And then I'm not
wishing it to come, you know, but I've
got my money out of the bank because
I know that they can steal it, and
I know that they probably will. I just
don't know what day that'll be.
So, you know, just things like that. So
so to to people who are feeling a
bit overwhelmed by it all, like, I get
it. It's it's you know, I I feel
a bit overwhelmed
sometimes by it all too. But but when
you really stop and think about, like, what
is controllable, what can you do? Like, you're
just gonna there's some low hanging fruit items
that you can take care of for yourself.
And in doing that, you'll feel like you're
at least on the path
towards,
towards fixing things because it sometimes feels like
all this stuff is unfixable.
Well, as as always, we talk about you
know? I mean I mean, this is just
my opinion, but I think it's pretty clear
that it's a reaction to people seeing things
that they haven't called out before. You know,
it is a positive moment as much as
it feels really uncomfortable. You know, we think
people are starting to recognize
long hidden truths. There's how is that not
a positive thing? You know? Or the fact
that what we're doing every single day, despite
the I mean, it's insurmountable almost in a
lot of ways. The amount of resources and
where the what they have to use against
us and, you know, whether it's censorship or
suppression or algorithms and AI or lawsuits,
and yet we're still breaking through. Yeah. You
know? I mean, that's pretty profound when you
think about it. But, you know, before before
we wrap in general, and we we tend
to kinda aim for about an hour, I
I if you want do you have any
thoughts on you wanna get into Israel for
a minute, or do you wanna turn on
next time? Yeah. No. Let's let's do that
because I put a an episode of macroaggressions
that came out yesterday called not enough money
in the world. And I told people in
advance, like,
I'm unhinged in this one. And and and
but I've got receipts and and it's not
for nothing. Right? I I I'm coming in
hot on this one. I was pretty
angry when I recorded that. I had seen,
you know,
just another
nonsensical
press conference where they told us not to
believe our eyes about what we're seeing out
there. And it just was one it just
hit me so hard. I've been working on
this episode and and and I've been putting
together all the stats, all the facts that
I I need to present.
But from an emotional side, I just was
shot out of a cannon in it. And,
and and I've had a lot of people
get back to me and say, there you
go.
That was nice to see. I bet that
felt good,
you know, but but it doesn't feel good.
I wish I didn't have to do it.
I wish I didn't have to think about
this stuff. I I I don't wanna be
right about it. I don't wanna be, you
know, I I don't want these people to
be suffering in Gaza. I don't want this
to be happening to them. I want to,
you know,
I I just I I I I can't
pretend like I don't see it. Yeah. I
refuse to do that. And so here you
go. And there it is. And so for
those who are interested, I mean,
again, this is not a new story, but
it but sometimes you
just get
it just makes you emotional.
It's I mean, how can it not? So
empty because it's such a what I mean,
it doesn't
I can't do anything. You know? And it's
it's hard. Yeah. Well, I mean, anybody that
genuinely you know, it's for, I think, most
people, I'd like to believe, who genuinely care
about
you know, to have some kind of compassion,
it's it's it's and, you know, especially, I
would argue from what you know, we're in
a position where, at least to some degree,
you can have an influence on how people
see things. You know, you can affect the
conversation. And so it it also comes along
with a feeling of you that you're failing
them too. You know? And I know what
you mean. And it's and it's not like
it's putting us above. You know? It's a
minor thing in in in the comparison to
what these people are dealing with. But, you
know, it's like every day you see that
you can prove it and it's like, maybe
I could have done a little bit more,
I could have pushed a little harder, maybe
you know, it's like but, you know, we're
we're doing what we can. It's just so
disgusting that we're in a world where we
have everything in front of us and you
literally can prove what's happening and the power
structure is so broken and so tainted and
so completely
dismantled that they
either don't care or aren't allowed to care.
You know? It's a very difficult situation. But
I'll I'll I'll point this one out, by
the way, I think is interesting as I
absolutely do. I mean, I thought it to
begin with. I think at this point, it's
overwhelmingly
clear in my opinion based on the evidence
that this is very much connected to Israel.
But I just wanna point out that teacher
in Franklin, by the way, teacher suspended over
Charlie Kirk post. And you could read about
this. It is quite literally I mean, let
me just find it real quick to make
the point.
This is what she said on her post.
So, basically, Charlie Kirk had said in a
previous post that it was,
that it was worth it to that people
had been killed by guns because it's a
god given right. It's important. I think it's
a valid statement. You can make a decision
what you think is worth more or not.
I don't think it's even insulting. He's simply
saying that people will die and it's important,
you know, whatever. And I but I also
argue these Charlie Kirk did say things that
I would argue were, you know, whatever. I
I don't agree with everything. What she says,
don't worry y'all after you got shot. It's
worth it. It's rational.
It's prudent that I have to go through
regular drills of practicing how I will save
the lives of students, practice backpacking gunshot wounds,
pressure kids. When they get shot at, I'll
be there to protect them.
And then they says, don't mourn don't mourn
his death, she wrote. It's just a piece
of doing business. Completely rational.
That's what she so, look, this is what's
so crazy to me. Is that insulting to
some people? Yes. You find that to be
tasteless maybe of the timing? Sure. But to
argue in any way as a public school,
which means government, that she could be removed
from her job, which would be a violation
of her first amendment because she said something
that insulted you? Guys, that you're the snowflake.
You're the broflake on the right at this
point. It's outrageous to me. You know? And
let me I'll just list some of these
points, and we can just talk about all
of them at the end. You pointed this
out, which I think is important. Supporting and
standing with Israel, this pastor said, is America
first. I can't believe people are still putting
this out there. And as you said, nobody's
more delusional than Christian Zionists.
This person's griping about the fact that they
that CNN frames that Israel started this war,
which as you said, they did. It's just
wild, the the grappling with this. The Qatari
airbase, they're now trying to pretend isn't real
even though you can prove that it is.
All straight crazy stuff. Trump and Gavin Newsom
wants you to believe Janice Gil writes that
they are different, but both are slaves to
the Israel lobby because they are. It just
is very clear. I talked about right now,
and this is hopefully, we can get into
a little bit is what's happening in Gaza
and the lying of the the false
ceasefire. And the fact that the way I
see it now, Netanyahu is aiming to use
these ISIS linked gangs, which are discussed within
their Knesset. It's very provable. They publicly discussed
this. ISIS linked gangs that have been the
ones stealing food for the entire time,
maybe other people too, but you can prove
this, or GHF lines where they've been shooting
people who are coming for food. Now they're
the ones literally out there executing people
or being executed by Hamas, and they frame
it as Hamas killing everybody in Gaza. Very
weird. Oh, just daily reminder that this American
third generation American from Florida is still in
prison in Israel, has been for seven months,
eight months now. Anyway, just wanna get those
out there, people remember. But, you know, where
where we are right now with this is
really, really wild. You know, that that it's
about a left right thing somehow. Even though
Israel's been manipulating all of our government and
all of our country for quite a learn
long time and is now, I guess, allowing
us I mean, how do you read what's
going on with the ceasefire? Let's just start
there.
Oh, well, I'd be of course, I'd you
can't trust ceasefires.
I'm I'm in favor of peace, so I'll
take a cease fire even if it's a
fake one for as long as we can
have it. It actually stops it, but you
didn't It actually stops things. Yeah. Then you
get the reports that it doesn't, you know.
And listen, it's a one way cease fire
because this is it's not like it's not
like the Palestinians are are are, you know,
at this point fighting back in the way
that's, you know, comparable to the Israelis. This
is
this is let's please stop the murder. I'm
in favor of that. Yeah. Do and and
you know what? If it gets
if it gets people
to stop dying, give Donald Trump whatever he
wants. You know? I I would agree with
that. Thanks. I don't care. He's such an
egomaniac.
That that that that price has zero value
to me. The people that gave it they
give that peace price to Henry Kissinger for
stopping the Vietnam War in 1973.
The war didn't end till '75.
Right. You know what I mean? Like, it's
it's been a worthless,
award for a long time. So
but I don't trust
the Israelis
to actually stop. We know what they wanna
do.
A a a ceasefire is not in their
best interest. It's not it's not what they
want. They will eventually,
find a way to break it and,
they already are in technical way. Yeah. If
if if you're right. So I I don't,
you know, I don't go to bed saying,
thank god that's so that that thing's been
solved.
You know, think, you know, think that Donald
Trump went there and and wrapped it all
up. Now nobody will die anymore. I don't
obviously believe any of that. That has to
be one of the most frustrating parts in
all of this is how many people I
mean, like, Ben Shapiro level, including Ben Shapiro,
that came out and been like, all you
people calling for ceasefire, why are you so
silent right now? And as they're posting that,
I can prove that Israel was bombing and
killing people in Gaza or that they were
doing any number of other things that clearly
violated like the the closing of Rafa or
the restricting of food or, you know, kidnapping
Palestinians and posting it on Instagram, you know,
and yet they're out there going, why are
on top of the fact that it's not
even actually an end, it's only a ceasefire.
And on top of that, you know, it's
like it just kills me that that's what
they're doing and acting like somehow you, you
know, just got what you wanted. You or
saying that's an end to the war, he
could jumpy. But I'm with you. Give him
that. I don't care if it actually stops
this, but I think we can clearly prove
just like last time that Israel is intent
already showing you that they are not going
to stop this. They already said that they're
gonna force Hamas to disarm even though Trump
had already told them and within the deal
that they were allowed to rearm for a
period of time, and they're sort of using
that confusion to act like they're violating it
right now. It's, like, just it's all so
disgusting, man. And people are still suffering as
usual.
Yeah.
It's it's it's,
it's been a gross
stain on humanity the last couple of years
to to watch this and but but if
anything good comes out of it, and it's
not gonna be much compared to the devastation
there, but if anything good does come out
of this, it will be that there is
not enough money in the world for Israel
to fix this public relations mess. Oh, yeah.
That's that's long. That's over, you know? It's
over for them. They're done forever. Okay? For
as long as we remember for our lifetimes.
Yep. And they've made a
serious miscalculation with the younger demographics.
Oh, yeah. Generation.
There those guys are gone.
They're not coming back. They've memified you. They've
turned you into a joke. It's over for
you. You know? So there's boomers.
You know, you've we've got what? Right leaning
boomers that are supportive of it. I mean
They've some. Yeah. Not even all of them.
They're all quadrupled
jabbed. So how much longer are they gonna
be around? This is this is if this
is a if if Israel was a stock,
you would be shorting it.
Yeah. I mean well, and you've seen the
Republican, you know, the $7,000
funding, like, the very public discussion of Netanyahu
saying that. Like, at what point did that
just become a public
public relations
engagement? Like, it's just it's wild to me.
Maybe he didn't think that that was gonna
be recorded and put out. I mean, I
I don't know. It's pretty wild. But then
you get those people like that Xavier guy
going out. Did you see that he literally
put the Israeli flag over the American flag?
That was pretty widely shared. I just don't
even understand. I mean, but this is why
I argue that most conservatives, and I truly
do believe this. Let me take your thought
again. We bring this up every time, are
actually seeing through this right now. I think
that's pretty easy to prove. What do you
think?
I I I they've lost a lot of
conservatives.
Yeah. They've they've lost they've lost a lot.
And it it's been and and, look, I
mean, for some people,
it's been
Israel's behavior
in, on the battlefield, if you can you
can call it that.
And some of it has been Israel's behavior
in the church
and with the Christian Zionism component of this.
And they're starting to see their their their
religious the Christian religious leaders
with huge followings like pastor Greg Locke,
you know, talk about Israel in a very
unnatural way that feels
almost like blink twice if you if you're
being held against your will sort of stuff.
But then you realize how much money is
flowing in and you realize it's probably more
money than anything that this guy maybe actually
believes it. So there's a Yeah. They're losing
the PR war on the battlefield, of course.
They're losing it in social media. It's a
catastrophe there. And then they're losing it in
the church. And then, of course, some of
these kinda blur together, and and the people
who who are in church are on social
media, and they're talking they're showing these videos
saying, look at this. Get a load of
this guy. He's out of his mind talking
about this.
Kenneth Copeland, take a look at this lizard
person guy. He's going on and on about
this or that. You know? And so people
are starting to ask questions and,
you know, and Israel's trying to prevent them
from getting the answers they don't want. But
that is this is
just a case study in Streisand effect.
You know? Right. You just can't, you know,
and the funniest component of it is that
they they turn the $7,000
thing into a meme
that is funny
even if the person isn't taking Israeli money.
Right? So it works either way. If they
are taking it, it's a shaming of 7,000.
If it's just somebody who has just happens
to have a pro Israel opinion, then you
go in the comment section and refer to
7,007
thousand 7. That is hilarious. Oh, oh, oh,
oh, no. Tough to for them to come
back from there. Like, no. But I wasn't
thinking it's like, it doesn't matter. It's I
thought you were gonna take a given direction.
I thought see, what I've seen is and
I think this is even better. And so,
you know, basically, the point is, you know,
you're being paid 7,000. You can prove it.
Over here, you're going, well, you're doing it
for free, moron. Like, let him do it.
Maybe if there's doubt, there's for it. Well,
yeah. Yeah. You because you can cook them
either way. Yeah. Right. For being too stupid
to take the 7,000 or you can cook
them for for taking the 7,000. Either way,
it's bad.
And that's what they found is that they've
they've they've angered the Reddits,
you know, the Redditors out there. And and
once you do that,
they'll turn your they'll turn you into a
joke, and then it's like quicksand.
The more you struggle Right. The more they
they pile on and that you just can't
win this.
So, and of course, nobody's gonna, you know,
nobody and then it's not like everybody just
woke up one morning and decided to be
mean to Israel too. They're murdering
women and children by the tens of thousands.
And then laughing about it on social media.
And and there is plenty of reasons to
be upset about this. So
so it's,
you know, I never I I really sort
of thought I remember when I wrote my
Octopus of Global Control book in 2017 or
I put it out in 2017, I have
two chapters in there about Israel.
And I remember thinking like, this is edgy.
You know what I mean? Now I look
back and I think, boy, like, how irrelevant
would the book have been if I didn't
have that in there? You know? Because it
would have just been a huge blind spot.
Thinking much I saw it back then. And
and it's only gotten worse
or or more pronounced, I should say, or
more out in the open. Mhmm. And,
and but and it was annoying back then
because it's like, oh, he feels like they
wanna manipulate us so that we'll be more
favorable to Israel. Well, I get it. You
know, the Chinese probably wanna do the same
thing. Oh, yeah. But it's turned into something
now
where it's like, no. We want you to
go in front of the American people and
tell them they don't see what they're seeing.
And it's like, when you do that, when
you're asking people to to not see
a genocide,
You know, I suppose if you if you
allow yourself to be blinded to that,
boy, man, I don't know. I don't have
much respect for you. I think that it's
been a wake up call to a lot
of people. And and and as as the
old Navajo proverb goes, you cannot wake a
person who is pretending to be asleep.
Oh, I like that. Yeah. That's I mean,
I think and that's the most
apt, like, right where we are, you know,
where people are I mean, I guess even
though you could
frame that as that people are choosing to
believe that they're asleep when you can clearly
tell that they're faking it. You know, it's
like there it's there's so many people out
there who are showing themselves to be I
mean, look, you like you said, you could
either argue that they just aren't incapable of
seeing this, which is more than enough to
be like, I should never listen to this
guy ever again, or they're choosing to hide
it, which is,
I mean, disgusting. I mean, there's not even
words to to grapple. Like, the idea of,
not you know, it's just they're so far
far over the top. And I think this
speaks to the much larger point of all
of what's been happening with Zionism, and what
this was post October 7 was their miscalculation
to a to a deadly fact. I mean,
very much so that they thought that they
could go let let we're gonna finish this
this this year, you know, and really what
they did was shoot themselves in both feet.
And now there's no putting that genie back
in the bottle when Americans are calling it
out. And now our government is punishing us
for it is what it feels like to
me, you know? It certainly does. It certainly
does. It feels like our government is punishing
us for noticing
what's been going on with them the whole
time. How dare you? How dare you call
this out? Yeah. Well, obviously, because they're culpable.
Right? They're they're literally criminal. You know, they're
what they're doing is either either or or
maybe blackmailed and threatened, which maybe they would
feel internally that it's not their fault. But
either way, they all seem to have a
weirdness around Epstein, around Israel, or and I
mean, you know, you could we should be
objective and say maybe it's not exactly what
I think, but it speaks for itself.
It is obvious, guys. And I know we
all see it. I just all I'm doing
every time is calling on people to stand
up and call it out, you know, make
it clear for people that next to you
that, yeah, I see it too. You're not
crazy. You know, we all recognize this. And
just it's it's about government power. That's all
it really comes down to, you know. But
I I think that let let's end with
one point just asking you on in like,
with this point and overlapping around the Qatari
airbase, which I very much think is just
more of an extension of Israel's agenda, quite
frankly. Where do you see that right now
in regard to, let's just say, Israel's influence
on US policy? You know, where do you
feel that is the the line is at
right now, which is our opinion, by the
way, completely. I
I think whatever Israel wants, the American government
does. I really just don't I agree. I
just don't know if there's much
room between the two of them. They seem
pretty
interlocked,
be that
because they actually
have some ideological
overlap, which which they do, or because they're
captured in some way.
But I don't see much daylight between the
American foreign policy and Israeli foreign policy or
or anything have you I guess that were
technically the domestic policy of of Qatar Airbase
here. But but that, you know, I could
I could envision a scenario where Netanyahu
says, that's not gonna happen.
Or or, you know, like, we're not you
you guys aren't doing that. Come on now.
Yeah. Yeah. So and and
and, frankly, we shouldn't be doing that. We
we there's a lot of things we shouldn't
be doing. We shouldn't be doing it because
Israel doesn't want us to do it do
it. We should not be doing it for
for our own sovereignty and not be allowing
foreign air bases inside of our I mean,
it's just
you you you have to ask questions about
where people's
loyalties
lie. And I don't and I don't, you
know, I'm not somebody that gets all weepy
about the American flag and wrap myself in
it or anything like that. But I do
think that there is a case to be
made that, like, you can't allow
foreign countries military base military to open bases
inside your country. I mean, you're like, when
we do that in Iraq, in Syria, that
is most definitely
against their will or maybe we've installed a
government who then allows it. But in in
the early stages,
it
that's not your you don't do it because
you're friends. I mean, this is not the
the Saudi relationship. It feels very much like
the beginning of some sort of infestation. So
I would say, let's not do it for
anybody.
Israeli, Qatari,
Saudi,
Canadians,
and it could to be on the safe
side. All of them. Nobody. Right? Nobody gets
their basis here. And I and I would
add too, though, that, like, to what I
said in the beginning, I mean, I know
I know what the presentation is and how
it's like,
we can't miss that Qatar was used as
the facilitator of funding to Hamas through Israel.
Right? There's one point. There's a lot of
those though. And I think that like with
Egypt and UAE, that these are
it's it's it's nuanced as always. It's multifaceted.
There's different angles to it, but at the
end of the day, I think that that
represents an Israeli interest in this country. As
much as they say otherwise, or we don't
want that, or yet the loomers out there
going, it's Qatari influence over our politicians. You
know?
I I think there's a reason there, like
but you I think we have to recognize
what that really represents. A lot of these,
you know, fake like, I shouldn't call it
that, but, you know, I think, like, with
Egypt. That's one of the most obvious examples.
Regime change, put that person in power to
be more amenable to Israel. The population does
not like Israel. Right? It's very that I
think that's a lot of what we see
right there, why most of them, even Jordan,
have failed to help Palestine. Right? And I
so I think we have to think about
the way that these regime changes have been
used and not see them as necessarily
what they want you to see them as.
So I look at Qatar airbase as might
as well be an Israeli airbase. That's how
I kinda think of that. But either way,
I agree it should not be happening. Yeah.
I'm just in favor of them not and
and by the way, I'm in favor of
us closing our airbases all over the world
as well. I I I want us to
keep you out of Syria, and, I mean,
of course, it doesn't matter what I think
or what I want, and I know why
we're there. But but I'm not somebody who's
like, America, you know, get get all you
know, I want our stuff back too. This
is not this is not,
how you behave when you
when you set up your military bases in
other countries. You you know? It it's it's
not even you know, even our relationship with
Saudi Arabia some sometimes feels like a hostage
situation where
It it's a it's a fake state. I
mean, Saudi Arabia was basically set up in
regard to the way they wanted this family
to rule based on the interest of these
foreign powers. I mean, you know, it's not
hard to see that, but, you know, I
would argue that it really just comes down
to the principle of it Right? It's that
it's it's to open an airbase forcefully on
someone else's country violates their sovereignty. Right? It's
not we pretend what Americans have always thought
we were what we are, what we're doing.
You know? So it's it's it's goes back
to the origin point of what we were
designed as. If, you know, even if you
think that was never what they truly intended,
I believe that there was an origin point
where it won out in that room discussing
what we wanted this country to be, and
that was a republic. Right? And that was
an idea that we were about defense. Right?
It was not about
empire. It was about the as as,
Bruce points out, the, you know, marching to
your own drum, like, the idea of the
thinker and, like, the world and how we
see, you know, our like, ultimately, we worry
about our own. We were able to defend
ourselves. We go to war only if people
are attacking us. We do not go out
and look for empire control. And, you know,
we've long since lost touch with that. I
mean, we just act like we have to
because they would come after us. Otherwise, I
frankly don't even think that's true.
Well, it might be true now after, well,
all of the things we've done around the
world. I mean, you certainly would have the
the justification
to do it, but even still, like, we're
protected on both sides by I mean, the
the way the way to to get America
isn't
an
armada
pulling up on the coast of Baltimore.
It's to do it from the inside and
subvert us internally and to and to weaken
us culturally and morally and debase our currency
and to get us thinking differently. And, of
course, I think a case can be made
that that we've been conquered, at least on
some levels by Right. Right. By these forces.
And because
because of our geography,
topography, and amount of,
straight up military power that we have,
you can't hit us head on. You have
to be more subversive about it. And and,
unfortunately,
we, the Americans,
this society, this culture,
very susceptible to it. And we get manipulated
very easily, and we've we've allowed
the barbarians inside the gate. And they have
changed our society in a way that is
is, very different than the way our parents
grew up in. The world is gone. And
I would argue that that is you know,
you may interpret that, and I I mean,
as any number of things. Right? One of
which could be the idea of immigration and
how it's changed the country. But that doesn't
make sense with the idea of the original
mindset of this country. But any of those
could be weaponized
of any kind to you know, but the
point is about the principle and the and
criminality. Right? You know, at the end of
the day, we can clearly see where lines
are crossed. But the moment governments create, like,
an abstract lens to look through to then
you it's it's always the wrong step. You
And I think that's historically been very, very
clearly proven. But I, you know, I think
that what we're seeing is the continuation, like
you're talking about, of the decline of this,
framing it otherwise. And I just you know,
we need to get back to first principles.
It's there really is it let's put it
this way. It's near
less less far far less likely for us
to be manipulated
if we are erring aggressively on the side
of what we believe, our principles, our integrity.
You know, it becomes much more difficult for
any of them. But, to the end point
about foreign governments,
you know, I would argue that even if
with, like, a government mindset
thinking, you know, we're now that let's just
say Americans still voted to get rid of
our government entirely. The worry the argument is
that, oh, China will come in and invade
and conquer. Well, you know, you could argue
maybe that's been in their attention. You could
argue that maybe they would wanna do it
in retaliation. But I I think what we're
I think that the powers we're dealing with
today are the responsible entities for why we
live in the world we do. Not that
no. That wouldn't ever be somebody that would
rise back to that and decide to do
the same thing. But at the end of
the day, I don't think it's logical to
think that they would do that for retaliation
or that it would even be in their
interest in either sense with what you just
described. It it you know, it it's in
a long it's it's ends up if your
goal is empire and conquering and control, then
it would because you're willing to sacrifice anything.
The question is, is that what they all
want?
Then you could see that's what Israel wants.
That's very easy. And you could see that
Israel's through their own actions creating that what
the American government wants. But I think it's
worth asking whether that is truly what everybody
would ultimately seek. And I I would argue
it's worth finding out at the very least.
You know? But any final comments for us,
brother, on the way out? I always appreciate
coming on here. It's just it's just it's
a great place to come and and just
work out some of these ideas because it's
you know, I reserve the right to change
my mind about things if I'm presented with
better information,
you know. And and and it's so hard
to know what's what's really going on out
there. But,
I think we're I think we've done a
pretty good job of recognizing,
the narrative
crafters and and what they're pushing and and
why they want it and and the manipulation
through the media. It's we've gotten, I think,
better at at recognizing
this, but it's still a struggle.
And and ultimately, at the very end, I
just want to
I just it just seems so frustrating to
me, all of the energy
that we collectively as a society spend on
all of this nonsense,
starting
wars,
you know, keeping people down, manipulating people. Just
if a a tenth of this energy was
focused on, like, I don't know,
actually improving people's lives. We have all this
medic we have all this technology and how
it could be used. What does it get
used for immediately?
Military. When it could be used for for
helping people. It's frustrating
in that regard. So
I,
you know, I I
I I I watch this world. I feel
very
uncomfortable sometimes. I'm trying to be optimistic.
I think awareness is probably the best, you
know, the key for us. But, boy, it's,
you know, next month when we do this,
I just I'm I worry about, you know,
what what are we gonna be talking about
then? Mhmm. It can't be worse. Right? Please
tell me it can't be worse. Right? It
can't be it can't they can't still be
murdering people in Gaza. Right? Next month when
we do this, please tell me that's not
gonna be happening.
You know? And so
I I think some of these topics, because
they're heavy,
take a toll on us
just as observers and imagine the toll
from being there, actually being there. You talk
to Vanessa Bailey all the time. Right? I
mean,
she's as close to it as anybody I
know, and and
I can't
I I mean, I do it such a
disservice by even trying to imagine what that
would be like. What an insult, you know,
to I couldn't imagine.
But just because I can't be there and
don't wanna be there and couldn't feel it
doesn't mean I won't talk about it, you
know, and do whatever I can do and
whatever you can do to do it. And
is it is it enough? No. It's never
enough. Of course not. But it's it's it's
something, and it's and it's part of this
change. It's part of this change in the
zeitgeist or the just the understanding of where
we are. Like, some some people are finally
starting to ask questions. What are we doing
here? Why why is it like this? It
doesn't have to be this way. Who is
ruling over us? Why are we not allowed
to criticize them, and what does this all
mean? So,
hopefully, good things come out of this. Hopefully,
this is just the hard part, the hard
awakening where you're still groggy and it all
feels like a dream. But,
you know, I'll see you next month, and
we'll we'll do it all again.
Absolutely, man. Well, you know, I'll I'll I'll
end with the thing that I often point
out, which is that, you know, I I
do already believe that. I believe that this
is,
you know, it it is a there there
are positive
outcomes with the fact that people are seeing
it, calling it out, breaking down these lies,
those are positive changes in and of themselves.
Now, look at it this way, and this
is what plenty of Palestinians have pointed out
as well. Israel's
genocidal reaction
is the consequence of what they're fighting for.
And the point is that that's Israel's responsibility.
They committed genocide, but it has awoken the
world to what's always been happening. Now, nobody
would have wanted to make that exchange. Like,
the idea that that's worth it, it's crazy.
But the point is that to understand that
regardless of whether it's justified, which is clearly
not,
the the the consequence of what they've done
has
succeeded
with with what Palestinians have been trying to
accomplish for a very long time, which is
to get the world to pay attention to
what they've been dealing with. And that is
that that again, my point was that, you
know, Israel's reaction could have been different, and
that's still what the positive thing would have
been everyone sees this now. Maybe without the
reaction, it would have been different. The point
though is there's a lot of those positive
things to see. It's hard to see through
the lens of an ongoing genocide or any
other thing we're talking about. Like, as our
country gets more and more authoritarian,
it's hard to see the positives that are
taking place, that people are starting to break
down these classically held lies. You know, but
I I just think it's it's worth to
continue to reflect on that. You know, I
don't think we're in a world where the
government's gonna go, oh, you see us. You
win. It's over. You know, it's not gonna
happen. They're gonna do they're going to fight
tooth and nail to make your life as
hell as hellish as possible to get back
to where they can control it. So recognize
that and try to find the positive side
of of breaking through these things and and
stand up and fight for it because that's
what we should be doing. You know? But,
yeah, I agree. Thank you for being your
brother, and we'll we'll definitely talk about this
more. And and I think the more that
people have these conversations, the more that this
stuff can, you know it it it makes
it makes it a little bit more easier
to endure, to at least try to understand
why we're we are where we are and
and, again, why positive momentum is being that.
So, thanks again, brother. And as always, if
you're out there, question everything, come to your
own conclusions.
Stay vigilant.