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Welcome to the last American vagabond. Joining me

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today is Robert in Lakesh to discuss

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the current reality of the chaos happening in

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the occupation in Gaza of Palestine.

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Now I wanna bring it back on to

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discuss today a few different focal points of

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this conversation, but mainly the idea of the

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occupation and and the well, rather the extension,

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the additional aspects of the current occupation and,

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really,

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the kind of impending discussion of that from

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Netanyahu and Donald Trump and the allowance of

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that from The US and just what's gonna

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be happening next. Robert's got plenty of insightful

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opinions on this. He's more knowledgeable on this

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topic than anybody else I know. So, Robert,

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good to have you back on the show,

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brother. How are you?

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I'm doing fine, and, thanks for having me

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back. Yep. Always a pleasure. Always a pleasure,

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brother. Seriously. I mean, you there's nobody ever

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I've talked to I talk to a lot

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of people about this. And you there's there's

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very few people that seem to have not

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only the insights, the the contacts, the you

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know, it you clearly understand this more than

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anybody I've ever spoken to. So it's very

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important, especially now as we watch this kind

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of tiptoe towards you know? I mean, what

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would you even call that? Like, you know,

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this like, it's currently occupied

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that legally speaking by every every legal reality

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that we can talk to, but I guess

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just the the, I guess, the annihilation of

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what is left to Palestine, I guess, is

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the sad reality of that. Right?

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Yeah. Well, I to begin with, I appreciate

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the introduction,

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and,

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I would say that the direction that it's

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heading in is that the Israelis don't have

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an actual answer,

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as to what to do in Gaza. They're

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fighting what they call or what Netanyahu is

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frequently referred to as a seven front war.

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And I think that people have to understand

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the war in its entirety as a regional

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conflict, not just localized into Gaza, and that's

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very important to understand when looking at this,

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because Israel has been attacking

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all of its neighbors.

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And it's even been threatening Jordan

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and Egypt as well,

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at different junctures.

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But, of course, its war has expanded multiple

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times into Lebanon. It's currently occupying more territory

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and seizing more land inside of Syria and

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bombing it frequently.

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Evidently, it's committed around four five 4,000 violations

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of the Lebanon ceasefire.

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It kidnaps people,

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destroys homes when people are trying to rebuild

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their homes in the South. It's now occupying

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six points, military points that it's set up

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in in Southern Lebanon instead of five that

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it originally

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established.

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And it commits air strikes and kills civilians,

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on a near daily basis.

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And, of course, it attacks Iran,

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in total violation of the UN Charter, which

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even UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres didn't have,

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the guts to call out as a violation

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of the UN Charter nor The US attack.

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And in all of this, The United States

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and the Western allies of the Israelis and

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Western European allies are,

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participants in in the war. One aspect of

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it, as you mentioned, is in Gaza.

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Evidently, they're talking about an occupation plan now

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in the Gaza Strip, and I will get

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a little bit more into that. But I

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don't believe that they have any end goal.

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They want desperately for the people in in

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Gaza to leave. They just don't have the

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means of achieving it. And so they come

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up with all of these different strategies and

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operations,

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and each time they claim that the next

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operation is going to be so magnificent, and

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it's gonna free all of their captives,

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and it's going to totally,

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defeat Hamas, and they're gonna discover something new

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that's

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miraculously hid every single time under a hospital,

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which doesn't exist, you know, and they'll create

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a whole bunch of lies, commit war crimes,

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escalate their bombing campaign for a period of

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time,

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and, of course, do things like starve the

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population.

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they don't actually have an end goal,

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and

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they claim that they want and they seek

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this ultimate victory.

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They want total victory

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over all of their enemies, but they haven't

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secured total victory over anyone on any front.

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There is no total victory

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anywhere.

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There are a bunch of stalemates which are

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going to open back up. Israel's continually aggressing.

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When it comes to Iran, for instance, when

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it comes to Lebanon, when it comes to

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Yemen,

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conflicts compared to,

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the front in Gaza,

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but still they have failed to defeat anyone.

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They've failed to inflict the killing blow on

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any of these organizations resisting them. In fact,

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the support for these groups and countries,

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in the region has only grown,

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and they may have taken military blows for

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sure,

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but they have definitely not defeated them on

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an ideological front. They haven't disbanded any of

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these organizations or governments,

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and they have assassinations,

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terrorist plots,

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and the bombings of civilians and civilian infrastructure

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to show for it.

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Their their policy from day one, as everyone

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knows, was to commit a genocide in Gaza.

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that they went straight to this strategy

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was they they knew if you go into

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Gaza, you cannot,

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take over Gaza.

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Mhmm. You cannot defeat Hamas without massive military

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casualties for the Israeli military. Which you rightly

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predicted, by the way, which I mean, you

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you pointed the the precedent of the history.

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But before we got to this recent point,

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post October 7, you were saying the same

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thing well before that in our interviews that

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they knew that and proving out yet again.

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You know? So they the point I'm making

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is he's making they know this. Israel knows

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this now. So that factored that into the

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way you see their decisions playing out. Go

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ahead.

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think I made the argument perhaps,

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on Last American Vagabond,

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and in many other places. And I remember,

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a few interviews I was on. I can't

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remember where, I was speaking,

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where

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I predicted that if Hamas was going to

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launch any sort of an attack, it would

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launch pretty much very similar attack to what

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we saw on October 7. That would be,

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you know, their option if they were going

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to launch, an all out attack. And the

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Israeli response, I said, at the time, it

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would be tens of thousands of Palestinians that

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would be killed.

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I obviously didn't know,

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horrendous and for how long it would go

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on and how dramatic it would,

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I made that sort of prediction in the

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event that a massive Hamas attack and an

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offensive would occur,

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is because of the experience in 2014

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when the Israeli military went into,

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Gaza.

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They made that decision towards the end of

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the fifty one day war,

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where they sent their troops into areas like,

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Shajaiya,

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and they were killed,

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on a lot on a higher scale than

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what they anticipated.

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kidnap,

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soldiers, and some of them were taken, by

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the way.

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of of the prisoner swaps, there was actually

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an Ethiopian,

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soldier who was traded, who was there since

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trying to go after go after Hamas

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to target them directly, to try and go

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and hit the tunnel infrastructure, and to throw

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your army behind such an offensive was going

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to be very costly to their soldiers. And

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so what they did this time when they

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invaded and all of the different invasions of

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areas of Gaza,

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they throw their tanks and their armored personnel

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carriers into an area. They've bombed it out

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already. They have air support. They don't even

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put the infantry next to their armored personnel

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carriers or tanks, which you would generally do

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that I speak to.

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And so what they've done essentially is trying

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to to limit

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the death toll of their soldiers,

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and they'll go into an area. It's always

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a civilian area. Take it over temporarily,

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set up in fortified positions,

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and you don't see any actual clashes. There's

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no footage of the Israeli military in twenty

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of their invasion of Gaza.

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directly fighting and engaging in,

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combat missions against Hamas. You might have one

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or two little videos over here. There is

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the exception of a few special forces offer,

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operations which were carried out. But the vast

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majority of the fighting is not going after

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Hamas. That's not their missions. They go and

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they might clear a building and set up

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there. All the footage that we see

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from the battlefield

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is Hamas, Islamic Jihad,

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the PFLP, all of the different organizations, about

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a a dozen Palestinian armed groups there, but

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them ambushing Israelis.

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It's not the Israelis on the offensive. And

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even some of the videos we see come

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out from the Israeli military is them getting

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ambushed and trying to respond to it. Mhmm.

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The Israelis have not actually gone after Hamas.

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That's not been their strategy. If they did,

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the death toll amongst their,

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their soldiers would be much higher. The injury

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rate is enormous amongst their soldiers,

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and that's because they're getting hit inside of

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these armored personnel carriers and tanks. So there's

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a lot of injuries, but the death toll,

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which I believe they're hiding a large amount

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of it anyway,

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but the death toll is not what we

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would expect,

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in such a conflict. And, again, that's because

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they're not fighting

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Hamas. They're not going after Hamas. They're going

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after the civilian population. There's no need to

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destroy nearly 90% of all of the buildings

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Strip, to destroy everything, all of the universities,

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all of the schools, all of the mosques,

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all of the hospitals, all of the churches,

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if you're going after Hamas.

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we've not seen one video of a Hamas

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fighter using a human shield. Not a single

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So that's their strategy. Their strategy is genocide.

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And six, if I remember correctly, on record

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videos, and we know there's more. It goes

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back before mosquito protocol. What's What's the new

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one? Neighbor procedure, that was the old one.

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New one's mosquito. Six times I remember on

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video since October 7 where they've gotten caught

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using human shields. Like, the worst examples, like,

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the guy who was tied to the front

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of the car in middle of summer with

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that melted his skin. This was reported publicly

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even by corporate media. It's insane how how

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obvious the Sully is and how contorted it

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is with, you know, every part of it.

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But so what I the way I call

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the bigger well, you started with, you know,

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the greater Israel genocide is what it feels

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like to me. Multifaceted, multiple countries, same objective.

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And, you know, even in Syria, we're watching

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massive ethnic cleansing. You know, it seems the

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same kind of tactics here. But so the,

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the reason that my you know, I see

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it this way and what I was starting

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with is that, you know, like you clearly

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went to. This feel this is a genocide.

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This is cleansing this place of this population.

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So let let's start with the point that

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we left off on the last conversation and

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which, by the way, I hope you guys

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will check out because this interestingly, this conversation,

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there's a lot in this that was really

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prevalent and really kind of, like, prescient to

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what was about to happen. But the main

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point that I like to refer to in

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this interview was the point of the guy

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we shared there in the clip the the

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image, the ISIS linked gangs. That that as

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Robert really accurately highlighted

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before the GHF

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was the middle group that they were already

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kind of using relaying to

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grab food, sell at higher prices to manipulate

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the Palestinians, not Hamas. Right? And now they're

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the ones running this, in part, this execution

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line that if you even wanna call it

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involving food. It's insane to me. And I

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by the way, if you I have a

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couple clips we can play from, what's her

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name, McCain from the w, the World Food

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Programme. We also have the it's blurred in

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Israeli media, of course, but the green the

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former,

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military veteran from The United States who's testified

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that they're killing and executing innocent people. You

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know, it's just it's obvious on the front

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of it. So before we get into the

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occupation and other parts of it, you know,

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what have you seen since this conversation

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around the GHF?

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You know, give me your thoughts on it.

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What do you think I mean, is that

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just I mean, the reason I'm hesitant of

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asking whether it's their objective. It's obvious they're

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killing people.

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How can it be that obvious that they

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could just line people up and execute them

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and everyone's telling it? Do you think there's

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a bigger agenda around this, or is it

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just simple murder? What do you think?

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Well, at the start, we saw that they

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were trying to implement this plan where Yasser

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Abu Sheba, you see his image,

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in

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the article there.

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He's ahead, and he's linked to ISIS,

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in the Sinai.

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And

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many members of his group is all also

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have links not only to ISIS, but other

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Salafist organizations

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of high def affiliates, which Hamas

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fought since it came into power. There's always

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been clashes with Al Qaeda. And then later

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in 02/2015,

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a wing of ISIS was set up in

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the Gaza Strip, which Hamas crushed,

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which led to in 02/2018,

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the official,

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you know, mother organization, I suppose, of ISIS,

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declared war

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on Hamas and, declared that anyone needs to

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pick up weapons and try and depose them.

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And there is even some of these militant

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groups, by the way, these ISIS and and

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Qaeda linked militant groups that we have evidence

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fired rockets,

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from Gaza, bottle rockets and short short range

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bottle rockets from Gaza to,

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which then,

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begot an Israeli reaction where they bombed Gaza.

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So the these groups were operating like that

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to draw fire on Hamas and Islamic Jihad

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and the other Palestinian groups, and Hamas was

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trying to crack down on them. So there's

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long been I you can't say there's a

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document

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proving back then that Israel, you know, called

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them up and said fire a rocket. I

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mean,

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you you can make sense of that yourself.

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You can draw your own conclusions as to

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what you believe about that and what you

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think that means.

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But when it comes now to what has

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just happened with this Abu Shabaab group,

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of gangsters and and they're not just ISIS

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linked and highly linked gangsters.

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They're,

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former collaborators.

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Their murderers who were in the jails. Because

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on October 7, one of the first things

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that Israel decided to do was bomb all

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of the prison facilities in Gaza. So all

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of the prisoners got out, and then it

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started coordinating with them, which meant that collaborators

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inside those prisons, which were imprisoned for collaborating

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with Israel, got out. People who were drug

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traffickers like Abu Shebaab, by the way. The

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the leader, Yasser Abu Shebaab, he was a

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drug trafficker. That's why he was in jail,

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for trafficking drugs

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into

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Gaza, for the Sinai.

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And then you've got, people who are all

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all sorts of petty criminals and,

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ex Palestinian

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authority force,

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members which are working,

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along with Abu Shebaab and his gang. Originally,

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what they were last year after Israel invaded

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Rafah was a force that was put together

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by the Israelis in sovereign Gaza.

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They tried this strategy in the North, but

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what happened is not only Hamas,

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and the other Palestinian group, but the the

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local population physically expelled these people.

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They got rid of them, and they and

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they ran away.

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So they they stopped it in Northern Gaza.

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But in Southern Gaza, because there's nobody in

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that zone where they operate,

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in the East of Rafah,

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But the Israeli military, it's like a kill

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zone for anyone that comes in other than

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specifically coordinated

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aid trucks,

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which then these militants would loot,

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and, of course, the Israeli military itself and

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the Abu Shehbab gang. So Hamas couldn't reach

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them and and try and,

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because Hamas has been tackling them. Right? It's

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police force because it was a governing force

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in Gaza. It has it had its own

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police force and security apparatus before.

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They have been trying to go after these

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gangsters,

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but they can't reach that area because if

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they do, then they'll get taken up by

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Israeli airstrike. So what they were since that

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invasion was a looting force. So they'd loot

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the aid. The aid trucks, when they come

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through, they'd have to pay 4,000

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US dollars to these militants

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per a truck,

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when they're coming in. And still some of

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it could get looted as well.

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So a lot of the aid organizations, they

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can't say it publicly. They can't admit it

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because it's, you know, complicity technically.

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But they didn't have a choice. It's either

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you've gotta pay this fee or else no

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aid is going into Gaza. Mhmm. And, of

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course, they looted the aid, brought it to

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these warehouses under the surveillance of Israeli drones,

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and then they sort of drip fed it

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onto the markets in Gaza, which made the

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food prices go for the roof, which meant

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that the only people

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that are capable of buying those goods are

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the people with money. And the people with

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the money, the majority of whom are getting

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a a salary now are the people that

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have that salary coming in from the Palestinian

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Authority before. And the Palestinian Authority collaborates, of

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course, with the Israelis

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and The United States.

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And so

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this system that they set up was to

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try and cripple Gaza,

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and to try and get also the people

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to revolt, which has not worked.

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What happened then after Israel,

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tore apart the ceasefire agreement is they transformed

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this force, and they use their media

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as well, their media apparatus in the West.

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And it's it's fair enough to call them

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just straight up Israeli,

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like, foreign ministry stenographers

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at this point.

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They tried to whitewash the image of the

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Assad Abu Shebaq.

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And they even recently I forget whether it

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was the Washington Post or Wall Street Journal,

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but they published

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an article supposedly written by Yasser Abu Shebaab

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where he's saying that the people are done

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with Hamas in Gaza, and they're rising up.

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And the problem, as you probably know, is

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that Yasser Abu Shabaab, not only does he

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not speak English, not only is he not

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literate in English, he is he's illiterate. He

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can't read and he can't write. That's on

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record in Arabic.

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So how he wrote an article

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in English,

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of course, that he didn't write it.

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That's very obvious that he didn't write it.

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And I

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I don't know how it's even possible unless

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you had somebody sitting there, you know, writing

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his words, and then it's it's just ridiculous.

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But what they did is they tried to

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use this gang. They coordinated with the Gaza

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Humanitarian

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Foundation, so called, and their private military contractors

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to coordinate the flow of aid to their

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aid points where 1,800 Palestinians have been gunned

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down trying to reach these aid points, by

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the way, that murdered that Yep. Thousands more

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have been in injured. And really quickly, but

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I we don't have to play them. I

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played them million times. There is probably five

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or six net people, not even counting even

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IDF members who have who have defected and

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talked about this in a broad sense or

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any others, but

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I wanna say five people from the inside.

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World World Food Programme, multiple military people who

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have come out and said they're murdering people.

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They're literally executing people in front of us.

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You know? There's also this gigantic crane that's

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basically automated that just fires on people for

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you know? So just people know that. Go

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ahead, Robert. But it's murder on the record

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all over the place. Go ahead. Yeah. Absolutely.

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There's no disputing it Yeah. At this point.

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There's absolutely no disputing it. It's very obvious

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what's happening, and and a lot of people

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you know, I interviewed a woman in Gaza,

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last week,

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and, one of her cousins was killed.

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For instance, in my extended family, I believe

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two people have been killed going to those

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eight points. It it's a lot of people

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know people at this point who have been

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either injured or killed at these eight points.

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And everyone knows who's doing it. Everyone sees

538
00:19:56,430 --> 00:19:58,365
who's doing it. We we didn't even need,

539
00:19:58,365 --> 00:19:59,904
you know, the testimony,

540
00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:03,964
and, these whistleblowers to know what was happening.

541
00:20:03,964 --> 00:20:06,525
But, unfortunately, the way the Western media frames

542
00:20:06,525 --> 00:20:08,605
it is, well, if, you know, a Western

543
00:20:08,605 --> 00:20:10,525
journalist isn't in there who works for the

544
00:20:10,525 --> 00:20:13,559
BBC or CNN, then we can't verify it.

545
00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:15,160
It's like, well, there's a video of it.

546
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,539
Multiple videos. There's eyewitnesses. There's doctors. You know?

547
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,240
Putting that point aside, the ultimate goal here

548
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,480
at the start was to coordinate this aid

549
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,234
entrance, and then they were building this concentration

550
00:20:28,375 --> 00:20:30,295
camp in Sovereign Gaza in the West of

551
00:20:30,295 --> 00:20:30,795
Rafa,

552
00:20:31,894 --> 00:20:34,454
between Rafa and and Han Yunus. And they

553
00:20:34,454 --> 00:20:36,075
set up what's known as the Morag

554
00:20:36,454 --> 00:20:39,734
Corridor as well to, again, bisect another area

555
00:20:39,734 --> 00:20:40,474
of Gaza.

556
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:43,509
They've withdrawn from that now, and they realized

557
00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:46,309
that they couldn't operate this concentration camp. But

558
00:20:46,309 --> 00:20:49,349
that was ultimately the goal, for some portion

559
00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:51,929
of time. They were actually building this concentration

560
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:52,730
camp,

561
00:20:53,384 --> 00:20:55,144
But they they sort of threw this to

562
00:20:55,144 --> 00:20:57,144
the side. They realized it wasn't workable, and

563
00:20:57,144 --> 00:20:59,705
people were not going to voluntarily go into

564
00:20:59,705 --> 00:21:00,365
this concentration

565
00:21:00,664 --> 00:21:01,164
camp.

566
00:21:01,625 --> 00:21:04,265
You know, especially after they were massacred going

567
00:21:04,265 --> 00:21:05,910
and trying to collect aid.

568
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:09,029
So that that agenda collapsed, and that was

569
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:12,890
part of, what Israel called Operation Gideon's Chariots,

570
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:15,349
which had started earlier this last year, which

571
00:21:15,349 --> 00:21:17,269
was supposed to be phase two of its

572
00:21:17,269 --> 00:21:17,769
war.

573
00:21:18,884 --> 00:21:21,065
And it was supposed to be, again, another

574
00:21:21,125 --> 00:21:24,485
operation, which was gonna defeat Hamas completely, and

575
00:21:24,485 --> 00:21:27,525
the Israeli media got very excited about how

576
00:21:27,525 --> 00:21:28,025
wonderful

577
00:21:28,325 --> 00:21:30,660
for them the operation was going to be.

578
00:21:30,740 --> 00:21:32,980
And, ultimately, they killed more of their captives

579
00:21:32,980 --> 00:21:35,000
with bombing attacks, and they starved

580
00:21:35,380 --> 00:21:36,920
the population of Gaza.

581
00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:40,099
And they continued bombing innocent people, and they're

582
00:21:40,099 --> 00:21:41,940
killing around a 100 people a day in

583
00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:44,500
Gaza now. So they haven't achieved anything. They're

584
00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:46,440
it's just more civilian slaughter,

585
00:21:47,035 --> 00:21:47,775
at this point.

586
00:21:48,315 --> 00:21:50,795
Well, so you mentioned the so you're saying

587
00:21:50,795 --> 00:21:51,295
that

588
00:21:51,755 --> 00:21:53,434
the objective well, so the part of the

589
00:21:53,434 --> 00:21:55,755
food line, you know, assassinations were to dry

590
00:21:55,835 --> 00:21:57,674
to kind of rationalize and drive them into

591
00:21:57,674 --> 00:21:59,674
these the concentration camp. Is that what you're

592
00:21:59,674 --> 00:22:01,039
saying? And and but now they stop that.

593
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:02,240
So that's good news. I didn't hear that.

594
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,359
So because, originally, the idea that was laid

595
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,399
out, you know, dutifully by the corporate media

596
00:22:06,399 --> 00:22:08,720
as usual made that it was essentially that

597
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,960
people that would go would be driven into

598
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,480
there, and and those that chose not to

599
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,295
would be deemed combatants, which is just like

600
00:22:14,535 --> 00:22:16,055
US policy, you know, right out of Obama's

601
00:22:16,055 --> 00:22:17,654
drone program. If you're if you're where we

602
00:22:17,654 --> 00:22:19,174
bomb, you're a combatant. You know? It's like

603
00:22:19,174 --> 00:22:20,855
the same kind of broken logic. But so

604
00:22:20,855 --> 00:22:22,695
that's that so what's the alternative? They're just

605
00:22:22,695 --> 00:22:23,815
saying we're not doing that anymore, or are

606
00:22:23,815 --> 00:22:25,115
they shifting to a different plan?

607
00:22:25,414 --> 00:22:28,250
They abandoned that strategy, that specific strategy, but,

608
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:30,009
of course, they're always coming up with more.

609
00:22:30,009 --> 00:22:31,869
So the so called Gideons chariots

610
00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:32,750
operation,

611
00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:34,909
I say its wheels fell off.

612
00:22:35,369 --> 00:22:37,450
It was a complete failure. They did some

613
00:22:37,450 --> 00:22:39,369
small incursions. So, you know, they were talking

614
00:22:39,369 --> 00:22:42,029
about these big invasions of areas in Gaza,

615
00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:45,095
and they couldn't even draw the force necessary

616
00:22:45,095 --> 00:22:47,414
to do it. You know, they were talking

617
00:22:47,414 --> 00:22:50,295
about at one point that started off 20,000

618
00:22:50,295 --> 00:22:53,095
reserve forces we're going to call up, and

619
00:22:53,095 --> 00:22:55,015
and then we're gonna get 60,000,

620
00:22:55,015 --> 00:22:56,630
and now it's 50,000,

621
00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:58,549
and now maybe a 100,000.

622
00:22:58,769 --> 00:23:01,089
And they're changing the numbers every single day

623
00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:03,269
in these reports coming from Israeli media.

624
00:23:03,809 --> 00:23:06,869
Ultimately, they didn't draw enough forces to actually,

625
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:09,775
properly invade and take over any areas. They

626
00:23:09,775 --> 00:23:12,575
did these small incursions into, like, areas in

627
00:23:12,575 --> 00:23:15,295
the outer skirts of, cities or areas where

628
00:23:15,295 --> 00:23:18,015
population centers were based. Mhmm. A lot of

629
00:23:18,015 --> 00:23:19,375
the, you know, a lot of the people

630
00:23:19,375 --> 00:23:21,295
in Gaza now are not living in the

631
00:23:21,295 --> 00:23:23,075
other cities. They've been pushed into,

632
00:23:23,535 --> 00:23:24,035
areas

633
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,160
closer to the coast, like Gaza City and

634
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,059
in Han Yoonas.

635
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,259
And there's some people in the Miwasi area

636
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:34,359
as as well and and surrounding the Han

637
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,179
Yoonas area.

638
00:23:36,615 --> 00:23:37,894
But they don't,

639
00:23:38,295 --> 00:23:40,555
they haven't had the the power

640
00:23:41,015 --> 00:23:41,515
military

641
00:23:42,134 --> 00:23:43,894
force on the ground to go into a

642
00:23:43,894 --> 00:23:44,875
lot of these areas.

643
00:23:45,815 --> 00:23:48,615
And, ultimately, you know, they did this big

644
00:23:48,615 --> 00:23:50,295
show and they did bombings. And at the

645
00:23:50,295 --> 00:23:52,019
time, I predicted it. I was telling people,

646
00:23:52,099 --> 00:23:53,859
like, this is exactly how it's gonna go.

647
00:23:53,859 --> 00:23:55,779
They'll make the announcement, and they'll do this

648
00:23:55,779 --> 00:23:57,940
bombing and all of this. And they even

649
00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:59,880
assassinated a journalist, a prominent,

650
00:24:00,259 --> 00:24:00,759
journalist,

651
00:24:01,619 --> 00:24:03,720
Sam Shabbat at the time for,

652
00:24:04,019 --> 00:24:04,509
Al Jazeera,

653
00:24:05,855 --> 00:24:07,535
right before they did it as well because

654
00:24:07,535 --> 00:24:09,455
it was sort of like a crushing blow,

655
00:24:09,455 --> 00:24:11,855
a psychological blow to the population. And now

656
00:24:11,855 --> 00:24:13,615
we see a very similar thing this time.

657
00:24:13,615 --> 00:24:15,154
They're talking again about,

658
00:24:15,615 --> 00:24:16,115
like,

659
00:24:16,734 --> 00:24:19,475
pushing the population into certain areas,

660
00:24:20,490 --> 00:24:22,730
and they're talking about invading. Now they're talking

661
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:25,690
about occupation, that they approved occupation. But even

662
00:24:25,690 --> 00:24:27,710
those leaks in the Israeli media,

663
00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:30,330
when we're talking about the plan to occupy

664
00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:30,830
Gaza,

665
00:24:31,609 --> 00:24:33,765
first of all, we heard they're gonna occupy

666
00:24:33,765 --> 00:24:35,684
all of Gaza, 100%

667
00:24:35,684 --> 00:24:37,765
of Gaza. And then we were hearing now

668
00:24:37,765 --> 00:24:40,085
they're just gonna occupy Gaza City. Of course,

669
00:24:40,085 --> 00:24:42,244
these are in a million people in Gaza

670
00:24:42,244 --> 00:24:43,924
City, so this is a huge thing to

671
00:24:43,924 --> 00:24:44,424
do.

672
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,559
But in terms of being able to actually

673
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,420
occupy it, all of the experts

674
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,380
have said and their estimates range between,

675
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:53,980
two years,

676
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,640
at least two years to occupy Gaza City

677
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,585
properly Jesus. And set up an occupation there.

678
00:25:00,664 --> 00:25:03,224
Some say it will take five years to

679
00:25:03,224 --> 00:25:04,605
complete an occupation

680
00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:05,404
of,

681
00:25:06,024 --> 00:25:08,664
the population centers in the Gaza Strip and

682
00:25:08,664 --> 00:25:10,684
make it into a similar model

683
00:25:11,065 --> 00:25:13,559
that replicates the West Bank in some way.

684
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,640
And then others have come out and said,

685
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,259
no. This is gonna take a decade.

686
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,220
So

687
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,120
and and and not only do you need

688
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,880
to, you know, take that amount of time

689
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,960
to do something like this, Israel needs to

690
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,884
change its military strategy completely. It means now

691
00:25:26,884 --> 00:25:29,204
it actually has to go after Hamas, which

692
00:25:29,204 --> 00:25:31,065
means a massive amount of casualties.

693
00:25:31,605 --> 00:25:33,464
Its public don't want the casualties

694
00:25:33,765 --> 00:25:34,265
anymore.

695
00:25:34,644 --> 00:25:36,024
After the war with Iran,

696
00:25:37,365 --> 00:25:40,105
the twelve day, battle with Iran, the population

697
00:25:40,244 --> 00:25:42,420
wanted to end the war. So now suddenly,

698
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,200
you're gonna have these massive casualties amongst the

699
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,680
Israeli military. You also need to summon all

700
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,580
of your reserves.

701
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,519
For this mission, the Israeli military, they're putting

702
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,680
the numbers out that they need between 200

703
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,279
to 250,000

704
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:56,580
soldiers to do it.

705
00:25:57,755 --> 00:25:59,054
Putting that aside,

706
00:25:59,515 --> 00:26:03,054
the reality is they need more like 300,000,

707
00:26:03,355 --> 00:26:05,034
which is what they had in Gaza at

708
00:26:05,034 --> 00:26:07,434
some point during the war. But then, you

709
00:26:07,434 --> 00:26:09,294
know, your military and its totality

710
00:26:09,595 --> 00:26:11,194
is around 500,000

711
00:26:11,194 --> 00:26:12,575
that you can actually mobilize.

712
00:26:12,929 --> 00:26:15,089
So what happens then if there's an offensive

713
00:26:15,089 --> 00:26:17,509
from the North, whether that be Lebanon or

714
00:26:17,569 --> 00:26:19,730
less likely Syria, but there could be something

715
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:20,389
in Syria?

716
00:26:20,849 --> 00:26:22,769
What happens if something happens in the West

717
00:26:22,769 --> 00:26:24,389
Bank? It's very unpredictable.

718
00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:26,414
You never know what's going to happen there.

719
00:26:26,414 --> 00:26:28,174
It's it doesn't look like it right now,

720
00:26:28,174 --> 00:26:30,734
but Israel's always paranoid about these things. That's

721
00:26:30,734 --> 00:26:32,115
why it's set up an unprecedented

722
00:26:32,575 --> 00:26:35,134
amount of checkpoints in the West Bank. Maybe

723
00:26:35,295 --> 00:26:37,799
with so many soldiers. It's destroyed all the

724
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,480
refugee camps. Maybe it has a little bit

725
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,559
to do with the ongoing, you know, destruction

726
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,559
of homes and destabilization and rape and torture

727
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:44,919
and murder, but, you know, that's just me.

728
00:26:44,919 --> 00:26:46,940
Yeah. That's awesome. But but Yeah.

729
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,000
But this is this is the problem that

730
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,599
they face, though. You know? Like, they do

731
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:51,659
all of these things,

732
00:26:52,734 --> 00:26:54,974
and they make these declarations about we're gonna

733
00:26:54,974 --> 00:26:56,734
occupy Gaza and all of the rest of

734
00:26:56,734 --> 00:26:59,615
it. But, okay, you don't have the ground

735
00:26:59,615 --> 00:27:01,855
force capable of doing what you're saying you're

736
00:27:01,855 --> 00:27:04,194
gonna do. Right. You're also gonna need years

737
00:27:04,335 --> 00:27:06,174
to achieve what you're saying. And then you

738
00:27:06,174 --> 00:27:08,609
have to think about this how this works

739
00:27:08,609 --> 00:27:09,109
logistically.

740
00:27:09,809 --> 00:27:11,029
The Israeli soldiers

741
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:13,190
will have to operate checkpoints

742
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:14,710
in between

743
00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:17,490
bombed out buildings in different areas where you

744
00:27:17,490 --> 00:27:20,609
have these mini tent cities scattered amongst bombed

745
00:27:20,609 --> 00:27:24,174
out buildings all over Gaza City, right,

746
00:27:24,875 --> 00:27:27,275
where snipers can pop up and,

747
00:27:27,755 --> 00:27:30,335
operate from, where somebody can lay an IED

748
00:27:30,394 --> 00:27:32,734
at any time. Someone can shoot an RPG,

749
00:27:33,035 --> 00:27:35,194
and you'll never see it coming. So the

750
00:27:35,194 --> 00:27:38,095
checkpoints could come under fire at any time,

751
00:27:39,009 --> 00:27:41,970
from anyone. There's an abundance of weapons still

752
00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:42,630
in Gaza.

753
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:45,170
So your soldiers are gonna be standing around

754
00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:48,369
what at checkpoints to do what exactly in

755
00:27:48,369 --> 00:27:50,609
a in an area which is a disaster

756
00:27:50,609 --> 00:27:51,109
zone,

757
00:27:51,835 --> 00:27:53,454
where you're gonna have to have,

758
00:27:53,835 --> 00:27:56,734
you know, lines set up to,

759
00:27:57,434 --> 00:27:59,514
to feed your army. You're going to have

760
00:27:59,514 --> 00:28:00,095
to have,

761
00:28:01,034 --> 00:28:01,774
you know,

762
00:28:02,075 --> 00:28:03,994
you're gonna have to coordinate this. Like, you

763
00:28:03,994 --> 00:28:06,019
can't just put a bunch of soldiers in

764
00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:07,880
an area because they'll end up getting killed.

765
00:28:08,099 --> 00:28:09,799
So you have to cover them somehow,

766
00:28:10,579 --> 00:28:12,099
and then you're gonna have to deal like

767
00:28:12,099 --> 00:28:13,960
they deal in the West Bank with Palestinians

768
00:28:14,099 --> 00:28:16,339
every day. But the the situation is much

769
00:28:16,339 --> 00:28:18,345
more volatile. In the West Bank, you know,

770
00:28:18,424 --> 00:28:21,704
there's infrastructure. There's vast open areas. There's roads.

771
00:28:21,704 --> 00:28:24,345
They have the advantageous positions to set up.

772
00:28:24,345 --> 00:28:25,865
And if you go there, you can see

773
00:28:25,865 --> 00:28:27,325
it in the way that they do it.

774
00:28:27,384 --> 00:28:30,605
But here, we're talking about Ambush City.

775
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:33,529
And I just don't see them being able

776
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:35,690
to do that. The Israeli soldiers themselves don't

777
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:38,509
wanna serve anymore. They don't want to continue,

778
00:28:39,370 --> 00:28:41,610
fighting in Gaza because they say it themselves.

779
00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:43,210
If you listen to the interviews that they

780
00:28:43,210 --> 00:28:45,450
give to the Israeli media and their families

781
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:47,565
give, they go into an area, the same

782
00:28:47,565 --> 00:28:49,325
area that they were were in just a

783
00:28:49,325 --> 00:28:51,565
few months ago. They clear the same building,

784
00:28:51,565 --> 00:28:53,724
but except this time, there's an explosive device

785
00:28:53,724 --> 00:28:55,325
in there. It blows the legs off of

786
00:28:55,325 --> 00:28:57,565
two of their friends, or one guy gets

787
00:28:57,565 --> 00:28:59,640
hit in the tank by an RPG or

788
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,220
somebody froze an IED into an armored personnel

789
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:03,960
carrier, and they've lost, you know, two or

790
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,359
three more friends. Right? And and and they

791
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,080
don't want to continue. You've got 80,000

792
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,400
Israeli soldiers who are being treated for injuries.

793
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,559
They say around twenty four or twenty six,

794
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,424
I can't remember, thousand of them with psychological

795
00:29:16,804 --> 00:29:19,384
issues. Mhmm. Many of them don't wanna serve.

796
00:29:19,524 --> 00:29:21,784
And that's why I think this is

797
00:29:22,164 --> 00:29:24,404
when I I reacted to it, I think

798
00:29:24,404 --> 00:29:26,244
you mentioned earlier that I I put up

799
00:29:26,244 --> 00:29:28,244
a tweet analyzing this, and I said either

800
00:29:28,244 --> 00:29:30,369
the first option is that this is not

801
00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:33,009
about Gaza. This is about Lebanon, and this

802
00:29:33,009 --> 00:29:33,990
is about mobilizing

803
00:29:34,289 --> 00:29:36,390
to attack Lebanon, and it's a diversion.

804
00:29:36,849 --> 00:29:37,089
Mhmm.

805
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:39,829
Or Netanyahu is just insane,

806
00:29:40,769 --> 00:29:43,490
because I don't believe that they're capable of

807
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:45,384
pulling off what they're talking about. Well, Well,

808
00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:46,585
you don't but you don't think that that

809
00:29:46,585 --> 00:29:47,644
could be driven by

810
00:29:48,184 --> 00:29:52,105
the either the necessity because they're clearly failing

811
00:29:52,105 --> 00:29:53,384
in a lot of different ways and the

812
00:29:53,384 --> 00:29:54,904
world's kinda pressing in on them. I mean,

813
00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:56,984
even, like, the political you know, just the

814
00:29:56,984 --> 00:29:59,304
understanding of Zionism, for example, that maybe just

815
00:29:59,304 --> 00:30:00,444
out of out of desperation,

816
00:30:00,980 --> 00:30:02,660
they might drive that hoping The US and

817
00:30:02,660 --> 00:30:04,259
others step in, or maybe just because they

818
00:30:04,259 --> 00:30:05,859
see I think that they know that The

819
00:30:05,859 --> 00:30:07,380
US will step in and back them. Like,

820
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:08,660
you know so let me put it this

821
00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:10,420
way. If they did this and The US

822
00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:13,460
and Western partners stood behind them entirely, do

823
00:30:13,460 --> 00:30:15,194
you not think they could still hold their

824
00:30:15,194 --> 00:30:16,095
own in that situation?

825
00:30:16,474 --> 00:30:18,394
I don't think it matters. It doesn't matter

826
00:30:18,394 --> 00:30:20,075
what the western I mean, they've been backing

827
00:30:20,075 --> 00:30:21,914
them the whole time. I mean, like, movements

828
00:30:21,914 --> 00:30:23,355
on the ground style, though. You know, like,

829
00:30:23,355 --> 00:30:25,355
full on military support. Because I think that's

830
00:30:25,355 --> 00:30:27,674
what Israel is really driving, hoping for, like

831
00:30:27,674 --> 00:30:29,909
a last resort kinda thing. Well, we heard

832
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:30,730
that earlier,

833
00:30:31,429 --> 00:30:33,589
in the year when the Trump administration first

834
00:30:33,589 --> 00:30:35,589
came in. I think, Trump spoke about we're

835
00:30:35,589 --> 00:30:37,829
gonna own Gaza Right. Right. We're gonna make

836
00:30:37,829 --> 00:30:39,289
it ours and all of that nonsense.

837
00:30:39,829 --> 00:30:41,669
And and everyone I spoke to and this

838
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:42,329
was my,

839
00:30:42,694 --> 00:30:45,095
initial reaction myself, but I'm not a a

840
00:30:45,095 --> 00:30:47,654
military expert. So, you know, I was like,

841
00:30:47,654 --> 00:30:50,054
okay. I I'm assuming this, but I have

842
00:30:50,054 --> 00:30:51,674
to speak to some friends and contacts,

843
00:30:52,694 --> 00:30:54,934
to make sure that I'm not just talking

844
00:30:54,934 --> 00:30:56,890
a whole bunch of nonsense. But my initial

845
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:58,650
reaction was there's no plan in place to

846
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:01,130
do this. It's a logistical nightmare to do

847
00:31:01,130 --> 00:31:02,990
it. You're gonna lose a lot of troops.

848
00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:04,970
You're gonna have to occupy Gaza, which is

849
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:06,589
going to be extremely costly.

850
00:31:07,289 --> 00:31:08,809
And on top of that, where are these,

851
00:31:08,809 --> 00:31:10,430
like, some 300,000

852
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:11,654
to 500,000

853
00:31:11,654 --> 00:31:13,595
soldiers? Because you need to, like, rotate.

854
00:31:14,134 --> 00:31:17,015
Right? Where are these soldiers coming from? Where

855
00:31:17,174 --> 00:31:18,855
how are you gonna transfer? How long is

856
00:31:18,855 --> 00:31:20,695
that gonna take? How what what sort of

857
00:31:20,695 --> 00:31:22,535
strategy do you need to put together for

858
00:31:22,535 --> 00:31:24,775
that? And then, also, it's going to have

859
00:31:24,775 --> 00:31:27,210
massive back backlash internally.

860
00:31:28,150 --> 00:31:30,230
And then even if you wanna, like, this

861
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:32,390
is look. We look at the worst case

862
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:34,630
scenario that the US military comes in because

863
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:37,269
forget the British military. It's, you know, a

864
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:38,009
police force.

865
00:31:38,474 --> 00:31:40,394
It's it's not capable of doing anything. They

866
00:31:40,394 --> 00:31:41,914
they speak a big game, but they don't

867
00:31:41,914 --> 00:31:42,654
mean anything.

868
00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:45,434
You know, their intelligence services are pretty powerful,

869
00:31:45,434 --> 00:31:46,575
and they have, you know,

870
00:31:47,674 --> 00:31:49,914
vast reaching hands. I suppose that they they

871
00:31:49,914 --> 00:31:51,914
can, reach very far. But

872
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,400
and we've seen that in Syria with,

873
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,460
their their puppets that they control there.

874
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,240
But in terms of US military, let's say

875
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,900
they put the US military into Gaza, 300,000

876
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,580
US soldiers in Gaza, which,

877
00:32:05,845 --> 00:32:08,805
again, is is quite ridiculous. But let's say

878
00:32:08,805 --> 00:32:09,625
they do it,

879
00:32:10,005 --> 00:32:12,485
then what? Okay. You're gonna, what, what, expel

880
00:32:12,485 --> 00:32:13,065
the population

881
00:32:13,845 --> 00:32:17,205
into the Sinai. That's ultimately Israel's goal. Right?

882
00:32:17,205 --> 00:32:17,700
Mhmm.

883
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:18,519
So

884
00:32:19,059 --> 00:32:20,980
then what? Where where do these people go?

885
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:22,500
Well, you go well, we we might send

886
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,099
them to other foreign countries. So you're gonna

887
00:32:24,099 --> 00:32:26,980
send 2,000,000 people or 1,800,000

888
00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:29,079
people, all to foreign countries

889
00:32:29,539 --> 00:32:30,200
on coordinated

890
00:32:30,659 --> 00:32:32,039
flights in Egypt

891
00:32:32,764 --> 00:32:35,964
Egypt, which is chaotic as it is. It's

892
00:32:35,964 --> 00:32:38,464
like the most chaotic country you can imagine,

893
00:32:38,524 --> 00:32:41,325
and somehow they're gonna have assembly line flights

894
00:32:41,325 --> 00:32:43,744
for Palestinians to go all over the world

895
00:32:43,804 --> 00:32:45,264
who don't want to leave.

896
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:46,930
I don't think Israel cares.

897
00:32:47,309 --> 00:32:48,829
I don't think Israel cares at all, which

898
00:32:48,829 --> 00:32:50,110
I think you probably agree with about the

899
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:51,950
about whatever they I mean, they're murdering them

900
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:54,109
in real time. So then I think Israel's

901
00:32:54,109 --> 00:32:55,869
mindset, if we're just kinda walking through this

902
00:32:55,869 --> 00:32:56,369
hypothetical,

903
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:59,565
would be that's somebody else's problem. Right? And

904
00:32:59,565 --> 00:33:01,325
they know that The US would likely be

905
00:33:01,325 --> 00:33:02,605
on the hook because they're the ones in

906
00:33:02,605 --> 00:33:04,205
the face of this conversation all over the

907
00:33:04,205 --> 00:33:05,644
place would have to step up and do

908
00:33:05,644 --> 00:33:07,164
something about it. And however chaotic it would

909
00:33:07,164 --> 00:33:09,085
be, it's no longer Israel's problem. I guess

910
00:33:09,085 --> 00:33:10,445
what I'm getting at is, you know, the

911
00:33:10,445 --> 00:33:12,509
obvious point is, is that not a viable

912
00:33:12,509 --> 00:33:14,509
thought in a desperate move by Israel? And

913
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:15,549
maybe that like, I mean, it's and it's

914
00:33:15,549 --> 00:33:17,230
really the thought of maybe, you know, why

915
00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:19,070
you would do this, maybe he's crazy, but

916
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:20,750
that would seem to make sense, wouldn't it?

917
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:22,830
Like, as a last resort, like, hoping you

918
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:24,450
drive that situation into reality.

919
00:33:24,974 --> 00:33:26,974
If this was the case, Israel would have

920
00:33:26,974 --> 00:33:29,815
already ethnically cleansed Gaza. But they understand Yeah.

921
00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:32,914
That if you do do something that's traumatic

922
00:33:32,974 --> 00:33:33,714
and this

923
00:33:34,015 --> 00:33:35,315
strategically stupid,

924
00:33:35,855 --> 00:33:38,095
what are those people who you've expelled going

925
00:33:38,095 --> 00:33:40,269
to do when they're in Egypt? Realistically, you're

926
00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:42,450
not gonna get them to other countries. Right?

927
00:33:42,509 --> 00:33:44,609
You could get some of them to,

928
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:47,789
Jordan, for instance. Jordan might take

929
00:33:48,589 --> 00:33:49,570
if it's forced

930
00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:52,369
it's absolutely forced. It could take some.

931
00:33:52,785 --> 00:33:55,184
Okay? But the the majority are going to

932
00:33:55,184 --> 00:33:56,465
be in Egypt. You're not going to be

933
00:33:56,465 --> 00:33:58,144
able to get anyone to go anywhere else.

934
00:33:58,144 --> 00:34:00,065
I mean, eve already, there's, like, a a

935
00:34:00,065 --> 00:34:01,265
150,000

936
00:34:01,265 --> 00:34:03,365
Palestinians that at the start of the genocide

937
00:34:03,505 --> 00:34:04,725
fled into Egypt.

938
00:34:05,299 --> 00:34:06,919
They haven't been able to go anywhere.

939
00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:09,139
They can't go anywhere. They can't do anything.

940
00:34:09,139 --> 00:34:11,859
They can't complete their studies. Egypt is stopping,

941
00:34:12,099 --> 00:34:14,359
them from completing. Even one of the Palestinians,

942
00:34:14,579 --> 00:34:17,559
for instance, who were in Egypt before studying.

943
00:34:17,835 --> 00:34:18,734
So they were outside when the

944
00:34:19,514 --> 00:34:22,155
the genocide began. They are not allowed to

945
00:34:22,155 --> 00:34:23,054
get their certificates.

946
00:34:23,594 --> 00:34:25,755
They're they've stopped all you know, they won't

947
00:34:25,755 --> 00:34:27,934
grant them their certificates from university.

948
00:34:28,315 --> 00:34:29,994
They won't allow for them to get visas

949
00:34:29,994 --> 00:34:31,755
to go anywhere. People are desperate to get

950
00:34:31,755 --> 00:34:33,549
visas to go to to different places, but

951
00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:35,949
they can't. And that's of the 150,000

952
00:34:35,949 --> 00:34:36,849
that are already

953
00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:39,469
sitting there in Egypt. Is that is that

954
00:34:39,469 --> 00:34:41,069
one of them want to return, by the

955
00:34:41,069 --> 00:34:42,690
way, despite what's happened?

956
00:34:42,989 --> 00:34:45,869
Really? Yeah. That's that speaks volumes. The question

957
00:34:45,869 --> 00:34:48,464
here is, and this is also what Israel

958
00:34:48,464 --> 00:34:48,964
knows,

959
00:34:49,344 --> 00:34:51,764
if you expel the entirety of the population

960
00:34:51,824 --> 00:34:54,144
of Gaza into the Sinai, what's going to

961
00:34:54,144 --> 00:34:56,784
happen? There's gonna be an insurgency which arises

962
00:34:56,784 --> 00:34:59,605
from the Sinai. It's obvious. It's very obvious

963
00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:01,780
because a lot of those people, you have

964
00:35:01,780 --> 00:35:04,019
people who were part, back in the day

965
00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:06,820
of, the PLO who went to training camps,

966
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:08,500
and they know how to fight. As soon

967
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:09,859
as they get a weapon, they know what

968
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:11,780
they're going to do, and they've lost family

969
00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:14,284
members. So you've got those people. You've got

970
00:35:14,284 --> 00:35:16,924
people, obviously, that served in all of the,

971
00:35:17,244 --> 00:35:18,065
armed groups.

972
00:35:18,364 --> 00:35:20,764
And, again, there's about 12 different armed groups

973
00:35:20,764 --> 00:35:22,924
that are operating in Gaza right now. Lot

974
00:35:22,924 --> 00:35:25,164
of people have military experience, and it's not

975
00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:26,969
hard as well to fight when it comes

976
00:35:26,969 --> 00:35:28,989
to these light weapons. You can do something.

977
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:30,889
Lot of people do lone wolf attacks in

978
00:35:30,889 --> 00:35:32,489
the West Bank all the time. They don't

979
00:35:32,489 --> 00:35:35,289
necessarily have great military training. But then you've

980
00:35:35,289 --> 00:35:37,289
got people with the know how, people with

981
00:35:37,289 --> 00:35:39,789
the connections to places like Yemen and Lebanon

982
00:35:39,849 --> 00:35:42,525
and Iran who are then sitting there in

983
00:35:42,525 --> 00:35:43,264
the Sinai,

984
00:35:43,565 --> 00:35:46,525
you cannot manage 2,000,000 people sitting in the

985
00:35:46,525 --> 00:35:48,844
Sinai if you're the Egyptian regime. You can't

986
00:35:48,844 --> 00:35:51,085
do it. Then the problem also, this is

987
00:35:51,085 --> 00:35:53,085
an additional thing, but it's not the most

988
00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:56,369
overwhelming thing, is the Egyptian population

989
00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:59,170
and and what they'll do in that case

990
00:35:59,230 --> 00:36:01,329
and what pressure that will put on them.

991
00:36:01,389 --> 00:36:03,789
Egypt is on the verge of civil unrest,

992
00:36:03,789 --> 00:36:06,510
and we've seen these sporadic protests, all sorts

993
00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:08,530
of things like police violence and different.

994
00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:09,674
The the infrastructure

995
00:36:09,974 --> 00:36:11,355
of the country is collapsing.

996
00:36:11,894 --> 00:36:14,394
The economy is, is on the down.

997
00:36:14,934 --> 00:36:17,494
So we're looking at a situation where Egypt,

998
00:36:17,494 --> 00:36:20,155
if that collapses and then you've got 2,000,000

999
00:36:20,214 --> 00:36:23,755
Palestinians from Gaza heavily traumatized inside the Sinai,

1000
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:26,389
It's obvious what's going to happen, except now

1001
00:36:26,389 --> 00:36:28,630
they have access from Egypt, and they have

1002
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:31,589
access perhaps to all sorts of weapons that

1003
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,429
could flood into them in the case that

1004
00:36:33,429 --> 00:36:35,690
the Egyptian regime weakens or collapses.

1005
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:37,875
It goes into a state of civil war.

1006
00:36:37,954 --> 00:36:40,114
The weapons will flow to whatever group wants

1007
00:36:40,114 --> 00:36:40,934
to take them.

1008
00:36:41,554 --> 00:36:42,054
So

1009
00:36:42,355 --> 00:36:45,414
it's that is a doomsday scenario for Israel

1010
00:36:45,554 --> 00:36:46,054
because

1011
00:36:46,434 --> 00:36:48,295
now you've taken all of these,

1012
00:36:48,835 --> 00:36:51,315
armed groups, and there's about at least at

1013
00:36:51,315 --> 00:36:53,820
least 80,000 people fighters there and

1014
00:36:54,539 --> 00:36:55,260
and a lot more which could take up

1015
00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:56,160
arms as well,

1016
00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:57,920
in the right circumstances

1017
00:36:58,780 --> 00:37:00,780
who are there. What are these people going

1018
00:37:00,780 --> 00:37:02,300
to do? Are they all just going to

1019
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:04,539
go away? Are they just not gonna exist

1020
00:37:04,539 --> 00:37:06,619
anymore? Are they gonna forget what happened while

1021
00:37:06,619 --> 00:37:09,519
they languish in the in the Egyptian Desert?

1022
00:37:09,764 --> 00:37:11,525
Is that what's gonna happen, or are they

1023
00:37:11,525 --> 00:37:13,924
gonna wanna fight? They're obviously gonna wanna fight.

1024
00:37:13,924 --> 00:37:15,144
And they're and now

1025
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:16,424
they're not besieged,

1026
00:37:16,804 --> 00:37:19,125
so the weapons can reach them now. And

1027
00:37:19,125 --> 00:37:21,045
they can have allies, and they will get

1028
00:37:21,045 --> 00:37:24,420
support. And so you're doing something which is

1029
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,960
not only is it horrendous war crime, not

1030
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,500
only does it potentially

1031
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,460
bring about the collapse of the Egyptian regime,

1032
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,820
but it also destabilizes

1033
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,114
completely your border and presents a unique security

1034
00:37:37,114 --> 00:37:39,114
threat, the likes of which Israel is not

1035
00:37:39,114 --> 00:37:41,594
prepared to deal with at all along a

1036
00:37:41,594 --> 00:37:44,235
vast border as well. That border is very

1037
00:37:44,235 --> 00:37:44,735
big.

1038
00:37:45,755 --> 00:37:48,069
So they know this. They understand this. And

1039
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:50,170
so when they talk about sending them to

1040
00:37:50,389 --> 00:37:50,889
wherever,

1041
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:52,089
to Congo,

1042
00:37:52,389 --> 00:37:52,889
or

1043
00:37:53,269 --> 00:37:54,949
they want to send them, in some cases,

1044
00:37:54,949 --> 00:37:56,889
to France or Nigeria,

1045
00:37:57,269 --> 00:38:00,150
Uganda, or wherever else, they're talking about this

1046
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:01,829
because they know that they can't stay in

1047
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:03,795
Egypt. And the reason they can't stay in

1048
00:38:03,795 --> 00:38:06,295
Egypt is very obvious. But, again, logistically,

1049
00:38:06,675 --> 00:38:09,574
to transport these people away is impossible.

1050
00:38:10,594 --> 00:38:12,994
It's impossible. And then even with the Egyptians,

1051
00:38:12,994 --> 00:38:14,295
like you say, well, it's the Egyptians,

1052
00:38:14,835 --> 00:38:16,994
problem now. They've got to manage it. Okay.

1053
00:38:16,994 --> 00:38:19,010
So the Egyptian army is going to have

1054
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:22,369
to basically assembly line shoot 2,000,000 people who

1055
00:38:22,369 --> 00:38:24,289
are not going to go by force to

1056
00:38:24,289 --> 00:38:25,510
to some rambling country

1057
00:38:25,809 --> 00:38:27,269
with no promise of anything.

1058
00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:28,949
No, no funds,

1059
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:29,989
no family,

1060
00:38:30,289 --> 00:38:32,514
no ties to it whatsoever. No. They're not

1061
00:38:32,514 --> 00:38:35,155
going to assembly line shoot 2,000,000 people. There

1062
00:38:35,155 --> 00:38:36,755
might be some war crimes committed by the

1063
00:38:36,755 --> 00:38:38,914
Egyptians, but they're not going to do that.

1064
00:38:38,914 --> 00:38:40,614
So this situation is impossible.

1065
00:38:41,155 --> 00:38:43,074
I I that that's why Israel has not

1066
00:38:43,074 --> 00:38:45,235
done it. And and they threatened to do

1067
00:38:45,315 --> 00:38:46,614
they want to do it,

1068
00:38:46,949 --> 00:38:48,550
but they don't know what to do. They

1069
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:50,949
have no idea how to complete this because

1070
00:38:50,949 --> 00:38:52,969
they won't give Palestinians their rights.

1071
00:38:53,269 --> 00:38:55,750
They wanna do a ceasefire. Netanyahu knows his

1072
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:57,670
government collapses if they do that, but they

1073
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:58,809
don't have an answer.

1074
00:38:59,175 --> 00:39:01,655
And the same goes in Lebanon, a desperate

1075
00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:03,574
attempt to try and get the the government

1076
00:39:03,574 --> 00:39:05,835
and the army in Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah.

1077
00:39:06,454 --> 00:39:08,695
But you're disarming a force which is more

1078
00:39:08,695 --> 00:39:11,335
powerful, way more powerful than the Lebanese army.

1079
00:39:11,335 --> 00:39:13,255
The Lebanese army is 50%

1080
00:39:13,255 --> 00:39:16,260
Shia, which is what Hezbollah is. Hezbollah has

1081
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:17,719
a 100,000 plus fighters.

1082
00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:20,519
Just their standing forces, a 100,000,

1083
00:39:20,820 --> 00:39:23,140
plus all the Palestinian militias, which would step

1084
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:25,619
in, plus all of their Shia militias, which

1085
00:39:25,619 --> 00:39:27,559
would step in. It's it's

1086
00:39:28,525 --> 00:39:30,525
ludicrous the way that they're thinking because they

1087
00:39:30,525 --> 00:39:33,164
cannot get rid of these problems except for

1088
00:39:33,164 --> 00:39:35,005
accepting the rights of the people in the

1089
00:39:35,005 --> 00:39:36,764
region, which they won't do. Like and they

1090
00:39:36,764 --> 00:39:38,445
also like you said, they almost kinda can't

1091
00:39:38,445 --> 00:39:40,204
do. I mean, they've clearly painted themselves into

1092
00:39:40,204 --> 00:39:41,804
this corner, but that's almost why I keep

1093
00:39:41,804 --> 00:39:43,425
feeling like this is the only

1094
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:45,199
possible outcome because

1095
00:39:45,659 --> 00:39:47,659
what else can they do? They're they're over

1096
00:39:47,659 --> 00:39:49,340
committed, and so too is The United States.

1097
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:51,099
But what what you're saying here is important

1098
00:39:51,099 --> 00:39:52,699
to point out that this is what we

1099
00:39:52,699 --> 00:39:54,380
were saying you would know. Right back in

1100
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:56,514
the beginning when the narrative started swinging around

1101
00:39:56,514 --> 00:39:58,514
that see not even other Arab countries wanna

1102
00:39:58,514 --> 00:39:59,954
take them because they're so bad. It was

1103
00:39:59,954 --> 00:40:02,355
just disgusting arguments. Clearly, as the point was

1104
00:40:02,355 --> 00:40:03,715
made in the very beginning, like, I was

1105
00:40:03,715 --> 00:40:05,235
saying on my show, is that there's

1106
00:40:05,954 --> 00:40:08,190
Egyptians, whether or not the government wants to

1107
00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:10,429
care for them or not, recognizes that that

1108
00:40:10,429 --> 00:40:12,109
becomes then their issue to deal with. And

1109
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:13,789
that's obvious on the table and so would

1110
00:40:13,789 --> 00:40:15,469
everybody else. And so this it's just a

1111
00:40:15,550 --> 00:40:17,069
want to point out that gross kind of

1112
00:40:17,069 --> 00:40:18,829
argument to try to make it about who

1113
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:20,829
Palestinians are as people. But so what do

1114
00:40:20,829 --> 00:40:23,355
you think then is their logical next step?

1115
00:40:24,315 --> 00:40:25,755
Is there even something that seems like a

1116
00:40:25,755 --> 00:40:27,994
lot of a plausible direction? Or is there

1117
00:40:27,994 --> 00:40:29,195
something that you see that they're planning? What

1118
00:40:29,195 --> 00:40:30,335
do you think is happening next?

1119
00:40:30,635 --> 00:40:33,375
I think that they will keep the conflicts

1120
00:40:33,835 --> 00:40:36,635
in Gaza going on. They might launch some,

1121
00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:37,295
you know,

1122
00:40:37,994 --> 00:40:38,655
sort of

1123
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:41,730
burst attack or something. They might do an

1124
00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:43,190
escalated bombing campaign

1125
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:45,910
in Gaza and announce

1126
00:40:46,369 --> 00:40:48,390
their occupying campaign or whatever.

1127
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:49,730
They'll kill,

1128
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:52,530
obviously, more people than usual in that campaign.

1129
00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:53,750
It will be very intimidating,

1130
00:40:55,585 --> 00:40:56,965
and they will then

1131
00:40:57,344 --> 00:41:00,065
probably do some small incursions into different areas,

1132
00:41:00,065 --> 00:41:02,325
I expect. But I think that their ultimate

1133
00:41:02,465 --> 00:41:04,325
plan is for Lebanon right now.

1134
00:41:04,864 --> 00:41:06,625
And they're trying to take out you know,

1135
00:41:06,625 --> 00:41:07,985
they wanted to try and take out the

1136
00:41:07,985 --> 00:41:09,789
head of the snakes, so to speak, which

1137
00:41:09,789 --> 00:41:12,769
is the Iran of the, Iranian led access

1138
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:14,690
resistance as it's called in the region.

1139
00:41:15,549 --> 00:41:17,710
And they failed. They failed to inflict that

1140
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:19,469
blow. I think they realized when they hit

1141
00:41:19,469 --> 00:41:21,949
Iran that their plan was not going to

1142
00:41:21,949 --> 00:41:23,170
collapse the Iranian

1143
00:41:23,525 --> 00:41:24,825
government in response.

1144
00:41:25,285 --> 00:41:27,445
They've clearly they did not succeed in the

1145
00:41:27,525 --> 00:41:29,285
yeah. Go ahead. It was if they they

1146
00:41:29,285 --> 00:41:32,085
led themselves to a stalemate, and, ultimately, they

1147
00:41:32,085 --> 00:41:34,724
were it was demonstrated that Iran can batter

1148
00:41:34,724 --> 00:41:36,025
them if it wants to.

1149
00:41:37,059 --> 00:41:39,619
And and Israel, yes, has nuclear weapons, but

1150
00:41:39,619 --> 00:41:42,019
Iran has the capacity to devastate them as

1151
00:41:42,019 --> 00:41:44,039
well. And and that was demonstrated.

1152
00:41:44,579 --> 00:41:46,420
But now I think what they're trying to

1153
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:48,119
do is this regional push,

1154
00:41:48,579 --> 00:41:50,280
they want to create this new corridor,

1155
00:41:50,844 --> 00:41:51,344
which,

1156
00:41:52,605 --> 00:41:53,105
jeopardizes

1157
00:41:53,644 --> 00:41:56,285
Iranian Russia trade and Iran's links to the

1158
00:41:56,285 --> 00:41:56,785
caucuses,

1159
00:41:58,684 --> 00:41:59,425
through Azerbaijan

1160
00:41:59,724 --> 00:42:01,805
and Armenia. The US is pushing for this

1161
00:42:01,805 --> 00:42:04,045
hard, but what they're also trying to do

1162
00:42:04,045 --> 00:42:05,744
is they're trying to push disarmament

1163
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,300
of, the Hashd al Shabi,

1164
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,099
or the PMU, the Popular Mobilization,

1165
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,700
units in Iraq, which there's around 238,000

1166
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,700
soldiers. They're the biggest

1167
00:42:19,265 --> 00:42:20,885
militant force in the region.

1168
00:42:21,505 --> 00:42:22,625
They want to try and,

1169
00:42:23,105 --> 00:42:23,925
disarm them,

1170
00:42:24,465 --> 00:42:26,465
through the Iraqi government, and they're doing the

1171
00:42:26,465 --> 00:42:28,945
same in Lebanon with the Lebanese government. Obviously,

1172
00:42:28,945 --> 00:42:31,525
the Lebanese regime is much more controlled

1173
00:42:31,989 --> 00:42:33,289
by The United States.

1174
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:36,329
Joseph Aoun, who's the president,

1175
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:38,250
who was the ex head of the military,

1176
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:40,550
he was sort of The US' pick. And

1177
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:42,789
then you have Nawaz Salam, who is the

1178
00:42:42,789 --> 00:42:45,030
prime minister of Lebanon, who is just completely

1179
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:46,704
on The US payroll at this point. I

1180
00:42:46,704 --> 00:42:49,344
I don't think there's any disputing that he

1181
00:42:49,344 --> 00:42:50,644
he works for US,

1182
00:42:51,585 --> 00:42:54,065
interests in Lebanon, doesn't care about his country

1183
00:42:54,065 --> 00:42:55,905
at all. He doesn't have any regard for

1184
00:42:55,905 --> 00:42:57,505
his own people, and he's willing to take

1185
00:42:57,505 --> 00:42:59,264
his country to civil war if that means

1186
00:42:59,264 --> 00:43:00,964
pleasing the Americans and Israelis.

1187
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:03,660
And they're pushing for disarmament.

1188
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:07,320
Obviously, that's not going to work. The strategy

1189
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,619
is sort of, you know,

1190
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:09,739
throw,

1191
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:12,280
feces at the wall and hopes that hope

1192
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,180
that it sticks,

1193
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,380
strategy.

1194
00:43:14,985 --> 00:43:17,704
You can't disarm these groups, but then the

1195
00:43:17,704 --> 00:43:18,925
problem is as well,

1196
00:43:19,545 --> 00:43:22,265
they're putting this pressure on Iran right now,

1197
00:43:22,265 --> 00:43:25,305
and Iran is rising to the occasion of

1198
00:43:25,305 --> 00:43:26,125
of the pressure.

1199
00:43:26,825 --> 00:43:28,684
And I don't think they fully

1200
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:30,690
fought through the consequences

1201
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:31,809
because

1202
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:34,289
if they do force the Lebanese

1203
00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:36,750
government to try and take the arms by

1204
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:37,809
force of Hezbollah,

1205
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:40,430
Lebanese army is gonna split in half. There's

1206
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:43,410
no groups inside Lebanon which can, contest Hezbollah.

1207
00:43:43,885 --> 00:43:45,805
Hezbollah, if it wanted to, and it could

1208
00:43:45,805 --> 00:43:47,244
have done this a long time ago, can

1209
00:43:47,244 --> 00:43:49,345
take over all of Lebanon. Right.

1210
00:43:49,805 --> 00:43:52,065
It's very simple for it to do that.

1211
00:43:52,285 --> 00:43:55,085
It will mean bloodshed, of course. It's not

1212
00:43:55,085 --> 00:43:56,305
a favorable scenario,

1213
00:43:57,289 --> 00:43:58,829
but it can do it.

1214
00:43:59,609 --> 00:44:00,349
And so

1215
00:44:00,809 --> 00:44:03,050
they they don't have an option of actually

1216
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:04,909
disarming Hezbollah through force.

1217
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:08,349
Ultimately, if they're going to keep pushing, Hezbollah

1218
00:44:08,409 --> 00:44:10,650
is going to be in another open conflict

1219
00:44:10,650 --> 00:44:12,704
with Israel. There's going to be a large

1220
00:44:12,704 --> 00:44:15,445
scale conflict with Israel. Israel has mobilized,

1221
00:44:16,305 --> 00:44:19,105
according to sources I have and, take these

1222
00:44:19,105 --> 00:44:21,184
numbers with a pinch of salt. They're saying

1223
00:44:21,184 --> 00:44:23,125
between 30 to 45,000

1224
00:44:23,345 --> 00:44:26,224
Israeli soldiers are in the Jolan area right

1225
00:44:26,224 --> 00:44:26,724
now.

1226
00:44:28,059 --> 00:44:30,219
That could be as a defensive force. I

1227
00:44:30,219 --> 00:44:30,960
don't know,

1228
00:44:31,739 --> 00:44:32,960
but that's a considerable

1229
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:35,339
amount of soldiers to have placed in that

1230
00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:37,739
area. If Israel wants to attack Lebanon, it

1231
00:44:37,739 --> 00:44:40,779
will likely go through Syrian territory into the.

1232
00:44:40,779 --> 00:44:42,960
And it knows that the Syrian regime is

1233
00:44:43,265 --> 00:44:45,824
on its payroll. Well, not Right. Typically paid

1234
00:44:45,824 --> 00:44:48,144
by them. But My audience knows what you

1235
00:44:48,144 --> 00:44:49,664
mean. Yeah. I mean But they're not going

1236
00:44:49,664 --> 00:44:51,025
to oppose them. Right?

1237
00:44:51,585 --> 00:44:53,344
So do you think that's why that's at

1238
00:44:53,344 --> 00:44:55,025
least one of the logical reasons why we

1239
00:44:55,025 --> 00:44:56,324
saw that come in Syria?

1240
00:44:57,630 --> 00:45:00,530
Yeah. I think that, the Israelis had prepared

1241
00:45:00,829 --> 00:45:03,710
a plot to hatch inside Syria in the

1242
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:06,609
event that the Sharjah assets government fell.

1243
00:45:06,909 --> 00:45:08,369
I think that the operation,

1244
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:10,510
according to all the information I have and

1245
00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:12,109
and the sources that I speak to,

1246
00:45:13,284 --> 00:45:14,644
and used to have as well that were

1247
00:45:14,644 --> 00:45:15,144
in,

1248
00:45:15,844 --> 00:45:16,344
Damascus,

1249
00:45:17,045 --> 00:45:19,605
it appears like the operation that was launched

1250
00:45:19,605 --> 00:45:20,344
from Idlib

1251
00:45:20,724 --> 00:45:23,385
by Hayat al Tahrir Hashem, which is,

1252
00:45:23,684 --> 00:45:25,144
now the governing force

1253
00:45:26,099 --> 00:45:28,900
of the Abdul Sharra or Abu Mohammed al

1254
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,119
Joleani Mhmm. That they wanted to take Aleppo

1255
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:33,940
City, and that was where they were setting

1256
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:35,780
up. And there's a number of signs as

1257
00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:37,539
to why what they were going to do

1258
00:45:37,539 --> 00:45:39,795
there. But then they saw that the whole

1259
00:45:39,795 --> 00:45:41,574
entire regime basically collapsed.

1260
00:45:42,034 --> 00:45:42,855
So they just

1261
00:45:43,315 --> 00:45:45,155
made the order to go to Damascus, and

1262
00:45:45,155 --> 00:45:47,655
they took over the whole country. Israel immediately

1263
00:45:47,795 --> 00:45:48,295
triggered,

1264
00:45:48,994 --> 00:45:50,434
a plan that it had in place for

1265
00:45:50,434 --> 00:45:52,195
a long time to bomb all of this

1266
00:45:52,275 --> 00:45:54,829
the targets that they had, for the Syrian

1267
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:55,390
army,

1268
00:45:56,090 --> 00:45:58,090
inside of Syria, and they took out everything

1269
00:45:58,090 --> 00:46:00,250
they possibly could. And then they moved inside

1270
00:46:00,250 --> 00:46:00,910
of Syria.

1271
00:46:01,210 --> 00:46:03,450
Their plan has been since 2013

1272
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:06,349
when they started backing militant groups, including Jelani's,

1273
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:07,390
Musra,

1274
00:46:07,715 --> 00:46:10,114
which became the HTS afterwards, which is now,

1275
00:46:10,114 --> 00:46:11,255
you know, it's had a makeover.

1276
00:46:11,954 --> 00:46:13,554
He puts on a suit instead of, you

1277
00:46:13,554 --> 00:46:15,414
know, wearing his military fatigues.

1278
00:46:17,074 --> 00:46:19,554
So, like, they have this plan since 2013

1279
00:46:19,554 --> 00:46:22,690
to expand the buffer zone and to work

1280
00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:25,090
with the Druze militias in the south of

1281
00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:27,329
the country to sort of carve out a

1282
00:46:27,329 --> 00:46:29,010
Druze rump state. That was one of the

1283
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:30,150
plans that they had.

1284
00:46:31,329 --> 00:46:33,809
But I I think that things went very

1285
00:46:33,809 --> 00:46:34,949
quickly for them,

1286
00:46:36,265 --> 00:46:39,304
And what they had planned was a war

1287
00:46:39,304 --> 00:46:41,405
that was going to be between the Syrian

1288
00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:44,344
Arab army and then the opposition, which were

1289
00:46:44,344 --> 00:46:46,425
going to be based in Aleppo. And then

1290
00:46:46,425 --> 00:46:48,425
this would have been a massive drain on

1291
00:46:48,425 --> 00:46:50,605
the resources of Iran and its allies.

1292
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:52,360
That didn't happen.

1293
00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:56,019
But, of course, when the Syrian government fell,

1294
00:46:56,019 --> 00:46:58,500
it stopped a certain supply route system that

1295
00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:59,780
was going into Lebanon,

1296
00:47:00,099 --> 00:47:01,079
to supply Hezbollah.

1297
00:47:01,619 --> 00:47:04,099
Now Hezbollah is still getting arms because the

1298
00:47:04,099 --> 00:47:06,894
Syrian government doesn't really control the country. That's

1299
00:47:06,894 --> 00:47:09,135
just the reality of it. There's a million

1300
00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:12,335
obviously, this hyperbole. There's a million different militant

1301
00:47:12,335 --> 00:47:15,295
groups and tribal militias and, you know, just

1302
00:47:15,295 --> 00:47:18,175
local forces that command their own areas that

1303
00:47:18,175 --> 00:47:19,954
don't trust the regime in Syria,

1304
00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:23,199
and they don't trust these, you know, foreign

1305
00:47:24,219 --> 00:47:24,719
salafists

1306
00:47:25,019 --> 00:47:27,199
that are trying to patrol their streets.

1307
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,300
So everyone has weapons, and they control their

1308
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:32,780
own portions of territory in Syria. No one

1309
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:34,295
wants the Syrian

1310
00:47:34,675 --> 00:47:37,474
so called authorities, which expanded the Syrian Arab

1311
00:47:37,474 --> 00:47:39,255
army, which expanded the intelligence

1312
00:47:39,554 --> 00:47:40,054
forces,

1313
00:47:40,355 --> 00:47:43,894
and then just flooded that with untrained people

1314
00:47:44,355 --> 00:47:47,320
who are a bunch of, you know, militants

1315
00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:49,460
who probably most of them started, let's be

1316
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:50,760
honest, as child soldiers,

1317
00:47:52,099 --> 00:47:54,179
and are a lot of them from foreign

1318
00:47:54,179 --> 00:47:56,420
countries. Like, one of the most loyal groups

1319
00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:59,159
to Jelani, the president of Syria today,

1320
00:48:00,494 --> 00:48:02,914
are the Uighur fighters from China.

1321
00:48:04,094 --> 00:48:04,594
So

1322
00:48:05,614 --> 00:48:08,275
the situation in Syria is so chaotic.

1323
00:48:08,815 --> 00:48:11,394
Israel wants to weaponize, you know, the minority

1324
00:48:11,454 --> 00:48:14,519
communities, and it doesn't care that they get

1325
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:15,160
massacred

1326
00:48:15,539 --> 00:48:16,039
in,

1327
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:18,260
in the midst of this.

1328
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:19,160
Whatever

1329
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:21,160
serves their agenda and their plan,

1330
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:23,700
they don't care what happens to the Kurds,

1331
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:26,180
what happens to the Alawites, the Christians, the

1332
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:26,680
Druze,

1333
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:29,264
any other group. They couldn't be a damn.

1334
00:48:29,505 --> 00:48:31,344
This seems to be the common historical, you

1335
00:48:31,344 --> 00:48:33,824
know, precedent here. The The US and Israel

1336
00:48:33,824 --> 00:48:35,824
and plenty of other western actors continue to

1337
00:48:35,824 --> 00:48:38,304
fund, like, the most radical elements simply because

1338
00:48:38,304 --> 00:48:40,704
they're more easily pliable to their agendas, and

1339
00:48:40,704 --> 00:48:42,385
they don't care about the consequences. They don't

1340
00:48:42,385 --> 00:48:44,239
care about the issue that that causes for

1341
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,920
the average people that live in these countries,

1342
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,839
and that's everywhere you look. I mean, that's

1343
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,599
I mean, even even expanding the ISIS and

1344
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:51,519
Al Qaeda itself, like, the reality of the

1345
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:53,359
funding and the and the influence. It's just

1346
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:55,199
insane to see how obvious that is. But

1347
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,579
so so we're talking about

1348
00:48:57,215 --> 00:48:59,074
what so the the plan of

1349
00:49:00,255 --> 00:49:02,335
the concentration camp part of it, you said,

1350
00:49:02,335 --> 00:49:04,114
was no longer there, but they are still

1351
00:49:04,414 --> 00:49:05,235
about to

1352
00:49:05,614 --> 00:49:07,315
actually step in and occupy

1353
00:49:07,695 --> 00:49:11,079
beyond the, you know, virtual border occupation, the

1354
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:12,599
actual ground. Is that still what you think

1355
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,199
is happening, that they're about to go that

1356
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,519
far, at least in God's City? They're talking

1357
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,780
about implementing that. But, again, like,

1358
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,974
in reality, they're talking about occupying we're gonna

1359
00:49:21,974 --> 00:49:23,494
occupy this and that and the other. They

1360
00:49:23,494 --> 00:49:26,375
occupy about 80% of Gaza at the very

1361
00:49:26,375 --> 00:49:29,014
least already. They're there. You know? So what's

1362
00:49:29,014 --> 00:49:30,135
the next step then? What do you think

1363
00:49:30,135 --> 00:49:32,295
they're doing inside of Gaza? I think they'll

1364
00:49:32,295 --> 00:49:35,230
do some different incursions. They'll be doing incursions.

1365
00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:36,829
They'll say this is a long strategy, and

1366
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:38,590
it's gonna take a long time. And then

1367
00:49:38,590 --> 00:49:39,090
after,

1368
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:41,470
you know, a portion of time, they'll say,

1369
00:49:41,470 --> 00:49:43,390
oh, it's very costly. We achieved a lot

1370
00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:45,309
of objectives, and they'll go on to their

1371
00:49:45,309 --> 00:49:47,965
next plan, which just prolongs the fighting more

1372
00:49:47,965 --> 00:49:49,565
and more and more. So so it's so

1373
00:49:49,565 --> 00:49:51,644
really nothing new. So it so in that

1374
00:49:51,644 --> 00:49:54,204
mindset then, it just seems like the I

1375
00:49:54,204 --> 00:49:55,885
get, like well, you painted a good picture

1376
00:49:55,885 --> 00:49:57,164
there. That it seems like they don't know

1377
00:49:57,164 --> 00:49:58,844
what to do next, and so they're extending

1378
00:49:58,844 --> 00:50:00,610
out the timeline. And so, ultimately,

1379
00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:02,430
maybe hope they can just starve them all

1380
00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:04,030
to death. You know, it's just such a

1381
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:06,110
sick reality they're in. And so so let

1382
00:50:06,110 --> 00:50:07,630
me ask you a question about this, about

1383
00:50:07,630 --> 00:50:07,949
the

1384
00:50:08,829 --> 00:50:11,230
you mentioned the areas, little like tent cities

1385
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:12,924
that they're all living in. Pretty much that's

1386
00:50:12,924 --> 00:50:15,724
that's everybody. Right? Pretty much everybody aside for

1387
00:50:15,724 --> 00:50:17,804
a few certain locations are existing in these.

1388
00:50:17,804 --> 00:50:19,644
Right? So can you explain people out there

1389
00:50:19,644 --> 00:50:22,204
who haven't gotten the insight and what is

1390
00:50:22,204 --> 00:50:23,724
the life like for these people here? And

1391
00:50:23,724 --> 00:50:25,085
what does that look like? Because this is

1392
00:50:25,085 --> 00:50:26,605
what we're see this is the extension of

1393
00:50:26,605 --> 00:50:28,630
this. How can they survive that much longer

1394
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:29,909
in all this? Can you explain what it's

1395
00:50:29,909 --> 00:50:31,190
like and what you what you know about

1396
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:31,929
these locations?

1397
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:34,170
Well, it gets better and worse at different,

1398
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:36,869
periods depending upon where the people are living,

1399
00:50:36,869 --> 00:50:39,269
and I can't speak on, obviously, their behalf,

1400
00:50:39,269 --> 00:50:41,369
but, you know, you don't have clean water.

1401
00:50:41,655 --> 00:50:43,335
That's one thing. You have to go and

1402
00:50:43,335 --> 00:50:45,894
and walk and seek clean water. Most people

1403
00:50:45,894 --> 00:50:48,054
are not going to get fully clean water.

1404
00:50:48,054 --> 00:50:51,094
They're still drinking contaminated water even though they

1405
00:50:51,094 --> 00:50:52,795
get water that's deemed drinkable.

1406
00:50:53,655 --> 00:50:55,574
It's still contaminated. And a long time, it

1407
00:50:55,574 --> 00:50:56,880
had been 97%

1408
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,679
of the, drinking the water supply in Gaza

1409
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:01,460
had for long been contaminated.

1410
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,400
So there was not on on a vast

1411
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,039
scale, most Gazans were not drinking clean water

1412
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:08,474
before October 7,

1413
00:51:09,195 --> 00:51:11,195
which is something that's often forgotten. But now

1414
00:51:11,195 --> 00:51:12,635
we're talking about people who are living in

1415
00:51:12,635 --> 00:51:14,954
tents. So we've had the mass spread of

1416
00:51:14,954 --> 00:51:16,494
different diseases and infections,

1417
00:51:17,355 --> 00:51:19,454
that has occurred inside the Gaza Strip.

1418
00:51:20,075 --> 00:51:21,199
So they

1419
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:22,800
you can imagine

1420
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:25,339
people are getting all sorts of different skin,

1421
00:51:25,739 --> 00:51:26,880
rashes and diseases,

1422
00:51:27,739 --> 00:51:31,099
people suffering from diarrhea, people suffering from different

1423
00:51:31,099 --> 00:51:31,599
infections.

1424
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:34,244
Pretty much everyone has got sick,

1425
00:51:34,724 --> 00:51:36,644
from some sort of infection or disease at

1426
00:51:36,644 --> 00:51:37,285
some point.

1427
00:51:37,925 --> 00:51:38,425
Sanitary,

1428
00:51:39,365 --> 00:51:41,765
supplies and equipment, especially for women, you can

1429
00:51:41,765 --> 00:51:42,265
imagine,

1430
00:51:43,045 --> 00:51:45,525
you know, even being able to properly wash

1431
00:51:45,525 --> 00:51:46,184
your hands,

1432
00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:47,619
and stay clean.

1433
00:51:49,219 --> 00:51:52,199
You know, hygiene is very difficult in Gaza.

1434
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:55,219
The amount of food that you have access

1435
00:51:55,219 --> 00:51:56,119
to is,

1436
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,900
basically nothing. We're talking about people that every

1437
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:00,420
single morning had to get up, and their

1438
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:01,724
first thought in their head is, like, okay.

1439
00:52:01,724 --> 00:52:02,845
Okay. How do I get a meal for

1440
00:52:02,845 --> 00:52:04,605
today? That is the thought for a lot

1441
00:52:04,605 --> 00:52:05,965
of people in Gaza, a lot of people

1442
00:52:05,965 --> 00:52:06,864
that I've interviewed.

1443
00:52:07,644 --> 00:52:09,405
Again, I I just interviewed a woman in

1444
00:52:09,405 --> 00:52:11,005
Gaza last week who said that they starved

1445
00:52:11,005 --> 00:52:13,405
for five days because there was a lack

1446
00:52:13,405 --> 00:52:13,905
of

1447
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,960
food that was available at the market. They

1448
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,559
have some money. They have a fundraiser that

1449
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,480
they've been bringing in. Another thing is with

1450
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,139
these fundraisers,

1451
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:23,519
the banks, when the money is coming out,

1452
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:24,900
take a massive commission

1453
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:27,440
off of, off of it as well, and

1454
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,219
they say that this is to do with,

1455
00:52:29,945 --> 00:52:32,425
you know, the circulation of currency, but they

1456
00:52:32,425 --> 00:52:34,985
take a massive commission out of whatever is

1457
00:52:34,985 --> 00:52:37,625
getting in. So the people with whatever money

1458
00:52:37,625 --> 00:52:39,465
they have, if they have access to the

1459
00:52:39,465 --> 00:52:42,105
funds, then go and try and purchase. Her

1460
00:52:42,105 --> 00:52:42,605
family,

1461
00:52:43,619 --> 00:52:45,699
they left it too late, and then there

1462
00:52:45,699 --> 00:52:47,619
was just no food for five days, and

1463
00:52:47,619 --> 00:52:49,239
they couldn't eat for five days.

1464
00:52:50,260 --> 00:52:52,179
And and this is a common experience in

1465
00:52:52,179 --> 00:52:54,339
Gaza that when the food comes, you know,

1466
00:52:54,339 --> 00:52:56,164
dries out, there's not much there. You had

1467
00:52:56,164 --> 00:52:58,324
to eat all sorts of things. I recently

1468
00:52:58,324 --> 00:53:00,724
made, a documentary. It took a little while

1469
00:53:00,724 --> 00:53:02,905
to come out, Abu Bakr Ravid, who it's,

1470
00:53:03,125 --> 00:53:04,905
about. He's a journalist in Gaza.

1471
00:53:06,085 --> 00:53:07,844
He he left earlier in the year. He

1472
00:53:07,844 --> 00:53:09,764
was evacuated because of health issues, and he

1473
00:53:09,764 --> 00:53:11,519
had the opportunity to leave, so he did.

1474
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,940
But in that documentary, he spokes,

1475
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,400
spoke about how his family had to eat

1476
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,179
pet food, cans of pet food,

1477
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,940
at one point.

1478
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,159
So, you know, the food goes up and

1479
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:24,400
up and down. This was before the eighty

1480
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,719
days of no food coming into Gaza at

1481
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,914
all. This was before that that people were

1482
00:53:28,914 --> 00:53:31,414
eating literally food, like dog food,

1483
00:53:31,954 --> 00:53:33,714
that they were putting, you know, just to

1484
00:53:33,714 --> 00:53:35,094
survive, to have some calories.

1485
00:53:36,594 --> 00:53:38,594
So it depends upon whether you have money

1486
00:53:38,594 --> 00:53:40,320
to buy from the markets. It depends upon

1487
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,719
whether the markets near you actually have food

1488
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,640
and you have access to that. It depends

1489
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,320
upon whether you can get to the eight

1490
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,239
points. Again, if you're gonna go to the

1491
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,800
eight points, you know, you you can be

1492
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,200
gunned down. Everyone knows that. You will there's

1493
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,480
a good chance that you'll die if you

1494
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,144
go to the eight points to get flower,

1495
00:53:56,144 --> 00:53:58,485
for instance, for your family. The aid drops.

1496
00:53:58,704 --> 00:53:59,824
You know, you wanna go to a point

1497
00:53:59,824 --> 00:54:01,744
where the aid drops are coming. These,

1498
00:54:02,305 --> 00:54:05,265
it's extremely dangerous. You know? I think it's,

1499
00:54:05,585 --> 00:54:07,744
I heard that, like, seven of these aid

1500
00:54:07,744 --> 00:54:08,244
drops

1501
00:54:08,545 --> 00:54:09,045
equals

1502
00:54:09,585 --> 00:54:12,210
equals one truck of aid. So it's just

1503
00:54:12,210 --> 00:54:15,090
complete it's a performance based Right. Endeavor for

1504
00:54:15,090 --> 00:54:17,409
these countries doing it. And they'll drop on

1505
00:54:17,409 --> 00:54:19,409
tents and kill children, or they'll drop on

1506
00:54:19,409 --> 00:54:21,590
people waiting there for aid and kill them.

1507
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:23,590
You know? Like, you're talking about,

1508
00:54:24,295 --> 00:54:26,795
a situation where sewage runs through the streets.

1509
00:54:27,494 --> 00:54:28,635
No proper sanitary,

1510
00:54:29,735 --> 00:54:32,235
goods are coming in. Medical supplies

1511
00:54:32,614 --> 00:54:35,735
are nonexistent in many areas. If they are

1512
00:54:35,735 --> 00:54:36,235
existent,

1513
00:54:36,855 --> 00:54:38,715
they're in very, very short supply.

1514
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,039
So if you get injured, even if you

1515
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:44,480
say you're walking along and, there's rubble from

1516
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,199
a building and you cut your leg Mhmm.

1517
00:54:47,279 --> 00:54:49,440
Okay. Like, you you there's there's gonna be

1518
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,679
no anesthetic. There is nothing to treat your

1519
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:54,025
wounds properly. You could get an infection. You

1520
00:54:54,025 --> 00:54:56,684
could die from that. Mhmm. You know? So

1521
00:54:57,144 --> 00:54:59,005
the situation there is

1522
00:54:59,625 --> 00:55:00,844
like post apocalyptic

1523
00:55:01,545 --> 00:55:02,605
sci fi movie,

1524
00:55:03,224 --> 00:55:03,885
you know,

1525
00:55:04,425 --> 00:55:06,824
a a situation that you could sort of

1526
00:55:06,824 --> 00:55:07,885
compare it to.

1527
00:55:09,329 --> 00:55:09,910
And it's

1528
00:55:10,530 --> 00:55:12,690
unimaginable what the people go there for every

1529
00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:15,250
single day, let alone when there's no food

1530
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:16,849
at all and they have to starve, but

1531
00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:18,930
you could imagine the pressures on the people

1532
00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:19,430
there.

1533
00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:22,690
And despite all of this despite all of

1534
00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:24,695
this, they have not turned

1535
00:55:25,075 --> 00:55:25,974
on their resistance.

1536
00:55:26,275 --> 00:55:28,355
They the vast majority of them, when they're

1537
00:55:28,355 --> 00:55:30,454
polled, say that they do not wanna leave.

1538
00:55:30,994 --> 00:55:32,755
They do not wanna leave. There is a

1539
00:55:32,755 --> 00:55:34,755
portion of them that do, but the vast

1540
00:55:34,755 --> 00:55:37,095
majority say, no. We wanna stay here.

1541
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:39,910
And we're talking about the Israelis are going,

1542
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:41,510
well, we're gonna do this and do that

1543
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:43,349
with them. They're not just pawns that you

1544
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:46,150
can move. Right. Even when they're struggling, they're

1545
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:48,550
suffering, they lost so much, they still stay

1546
00:55:48,550 --> 00:55:50,550
steadfast, and they still want to remain there

1547
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:52,410
on their land. And we saw that

1548
00:55:52,795 --> 00:55:55,275
When the ceasefire happened earlier this year, the

1549
00:55:55,275 --> 00:55:57,994
people returned to the North. They went. That's

1550
00:55:57,994 --> 00:55:59,755
why there's a million people there in Gaza

1551
00:55:59,755 --> 00:56:02,235
City. Because they returned, they're going, I'll live

1552
00:56:02,235 --> 00:56:04,155
next to my bombed out home. I don't

1553
00:56:04,155 --> 00:56:04,655
care.

1554
00:56:05,355 --> 00:56:07,934
I'll I'll even not have, as much food.

1555
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:09,900
I wanna live here. I wanna stay here.

1556
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,320
The resilience is is in

1557
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,440
is astounding. It's interesting. It's inspiring. You know?

1558
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,440
The idea that it's just that peep people

1559
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,820
can learn from from

1560
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:19,800
what, you know, what it means to truly

1561
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,480
fight for something. You know? It's just it's

1562
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,864
so just it's even words to describe what's

1563
00:56:23,864 --> 00:56:26,105
happening. It's insane and how obvious it is,

1564
00:56:26,105 --> 00:56:28,184
and it keeps continuing. You know, I the

1565
00:56:28,265 --> 00:56:29,545
one of the things the green the,

1566
00:56:30,105 --> 00:56:32,585
the Green Beret whistleblower who has been on

1567
00:56:32,585 --> 00:56:34,425
Tucker, you know, we've talked about all this.

1568
00:56:34,425 --> 00:56:35,864
One thing he pointed out that I didn't

1569
00:56:35,864 --> 00:56:37,065
know well, I mean, I think I did,

1570
00:56:37,065 --> 00:56:38,909
but I didn't put it together is that

1571
00:56:38,909 --> 00:56:40,589
not only, as you pointed out, do they

1572
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:42,269
even before, 97%

1573
00:56:42,269 --> 00:56:42,750
on, you know,

1574
00:56:43,869 --> 00:56:46,829
unclean water, now it's exponentially worse. But the

1575
00:56:46,829 --> 00:56:48,750
point is that everything they're giving them, which

1576
00:56:48,750 --> 00:56:50,989
I do not I doubt for a second

1577
00:56:50,989 --> 00:56:53,630
is absolutely by design, it requires water to

1578
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:55,655
make. Right? And so you're put you're you're

1579
00:56:55,655 --> 00:56:57,175
you're giving them things that you know they

1580
00:56:57,175 --> 00:56:59,094
can't even consume in most cases, but if

1581
00:56:59,094 --> 00:57:00,775
they do, it's by biting through you know?

1582
00:57:00,775 --> 00:57:02,775
I mean, it's just it's so grotesque that

1583
00:57:02,775 --> 00:57:04,454
not just are they putting them through this,

1584
00:57:04,454 --> 00:57:06,855
but they're torturing them every moment they can.

1585
00:57:06,855 --> 00:57:08,534
And then not only that, they post videos

1586
00:57:08,534 --> 00:57:09,719
and laugh about it. You know? And then

1587
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,400
we're stuck here trying to be objective and,

1588
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,760
you know, which is what are which we

1589
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,760
should be. It matters to be accurate about

1590
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,920
this, not fall into one of the problems

1591
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,920
I see everywhere in politics today, even just

1592
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,360
from thing something I was talking about this

1593
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,119
morning, is that people have this mindset that

1594
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,800
somehow it's okay to do the wrong thing

1595
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,744
because they did it first. And instead of

1596
00:57:25,744 --> 00:57:27,985
childish, broken mentality in the world, but it's

1597
00:57:27,985 --> 00:57:29,265
driving a lot of the things we see

1598
00:57:29,265 --> 00:57:30,864
today. But, you know, I just

1599
00:57:31,425 --> 00:57:33,344
let let's end. What what there's so many

1600
00:57:33,344 --> 00:57:35,684
people out there that want to do something.

1601
00:57:35,905 --> 00:57:37,985
And even myself, I'm very hesitant about the

1602
00:57:38,065 --> 00:57:39,905
I see things circulating that, you know, donate

1603
00:57:39,905 --> 00:57:41,219
here. So I I don't know what that

1604
00:57:41,219 --> 00:57:42,820
is and where that goes. You know? It's

1605
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:44,579
is there somewhere you can direct people who

1606
00:57:44,579 --> 00:57:46,500
wanna help that that that you know is

1607
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,340
accurate and, you know, or just actions they

1608
00:57:48,340 --> 00:57:49,860
can take? What what do you suggest somebody

1609
00:57:49,860 --> 00:57:51,960
out there do does right now that

1610
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:54,485
wants to help but doesn't know how? Well,

1611
00:57:54,545 --> 00:57:57,105
in terms of helping, there are people that,

1612
00:57:57,345 --> 00:58:00,405
you can confirm that their campaigns are genuine.

1613
00:58:00,625 --> 00:58:02,224
You can speak to them. You can ask

1614
00:58:02,224 --> 00:58:04,785
them for confirmation that their campaigns are genuine

1615
00:58:04,785 --> 00:58:05,285
and,

1616
00:58:05,985 --> 00:58:08,329
you know, and there's means of donating that

1617
00:58:08,329 --> 00:58:10,010
way. But even, you know, some of that

1618
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:11,769
money, it takes time to get to people,

1619
00:58:11,769 --> 00:58:13,369
and and it's difficult. But I would not

1620
00:58:13,369 --> 00:58:15,449
discourage people. If if you can find people,

1621
00:58:15,449 --> 00:58:18,110
you know their campaign is genuine. Yes. Occasionally,

1622
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:20,190
I I have people contact me in Gaza.

1623
00:58:20,344 --> 00:58:22,585
I verify with their IDs and everything to

1624
00:58:22,585 --> 00:58:24,984
make sure it's all genuine that it's coming

1625
00:58:24,984 --> 00:58:26,924
for and I'll share it on my Twitter.

1626
00:58:27,065 --> 00:58:29,464
Yeah. And and there's many, many other people.

1627
00:58:29,464 --> 00:58:30,984
It's not just people who don't just trust

1628
00:58:30,984 --> 00:58:32,664
people coming for me. Go and trust those

1629
00:58:32,664 --> 00:58:35,144
people yourself. Communicate to them. They'll be happy

1630
00:58:35,144 --> 00:58:37,089
to speak to you. There's many people in

1631
00:58:37,089 --> 00:58:38,389
Gaza running these campaigns.

1632
00:58:39,250 --> 00:58:41,190
So there are ways to donate to individuals,

1633
00:58:41,489 --> 00:58:42,150
of course.

1634
00:58:42,609 --> 00:58:43,750
There's things to,

1635
00:58:44,050 --> 00:58:46,050
you know, watch out for. Obviously, people are

1636
00:58:46,050 --> 00:58:47,829
trying to capitalize. There's eight organizations

1637
00:58:48,210 --> 00:58:49,704
that even you know, and all of it's

1638
00:58:49,704 --> 00:58:51,385
getting to Gaza. It might go to other

1639
00:58:51,385 --> 00:58:53,625
zones or whatever. I'm not gonna discourage people

1640
00:58:53,625 --> 00:58:54,984
or tell anyone what to do with their

1641
00:58:54,984 --> 00:58:55,484
money.

1642
00:58:56,344 --> 00:58:59,304
Evidently, it's very difficult to help people there.

1643
00:58:59,304 --> 00:59:01,065
If you can find a secure way of

1644
00:59:01,065 --> 00:59:01,804
doing it,

1645
00:59:02,264 --> 00:59:03,885
absolutely go for it.

1646
00:59:04,619 --> 00:59:05,980
But I I'm not going to try and

1647
00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:07,599
tell people where to put their money,

1648
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:09,739
just because I I I I don't want

1649
00:59:09,739 --> 00:59:13,039
anyone to go and get tricked by any,

1650
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:14,000
anything,

1651
00:59:14,779 --> 00:59:16,699
or You're pretty wise with what's going on,

1652
00:59:16,699 --> 00:59:18,585
let's say, in The UK, for example. Regardless

1653
00:59:18,585 --> 00:59:21,065
of how legitimately these are people suffering, you

1654
00:59:21,065 --> 00:59:22,585
might get framed as a terrorist, which is

1655
00:59:22,585 --> 00:59:24,984
absolutely disgusting. But aside from the financial part

1656
00:59:24,984 --> 00:59:26,184
of it, you know, what what do you

1657
00:59:26,184 --> 00:59:27,864
suggest somebody do out there that that wants

1658
00:59:27,864 --> 00:59:28,445
to help?

1659
00:59:28,905 --> 00:59:31,110
Obviously, that you can boycott is really good.

1660
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:32,630
I I mean, that's Yeah. The number one

1661
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:33,989
thing that you can do over here. You

1662
00:59:33,989 --> 00:59:35,289
can pressure your government.

1663
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:37,590
You you know, you can take these sort

1664
00:59:37,590 --> 00:59:40,390
of, symbolic actions. I mean, look at what,

1665
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:41,849
the action that,

1666
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:45,335
let's say, Palestine action Paris is now doing

1667
00:59:45,335 --> 00:59:47,255
in France and and stuff like that. Palestine

1668
00:59:47,255 --> 00:59:49,335
action in The UK was prescribed a terrorist

1669
00:59:49,335 --> 00:59:49,835
organization.

1670
00:59:50,214 --> 00:59:52,534
But Palestine action France is is real and

1671
00:59:52,534 --> 00:59:54,614
it's doing things. They're trying to shut down

1672
00:59:54,614 --> 00:59:57,094
weapons factories. They're trying to stop the flow

1673
00:59:57,094 --> 00:59:59,579
of weapons. We see people, port workers. Right?

1674
00:59:59,820 --> 01:00:00,320
Unions,

1675
01:00:01,019 --> 01:00:02,940
they come together and they say, no. We

1676
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:05,340
refuse. That's happened in Morocco. That's happened in

1677
01:00:05,340 --> 01:00:06,719
Spain. That's happened in,

1678
01:00:07,019 --> 01:00:08,400
Italy, I believe, in Greece.

1679
01:00:09,340 --> 01:00:11,420
So you can physically if you're working in

1680
01:00:11,420 --> 01:00:12,780
the docks and you know a ship is

1681
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:15,444
coming in with with, missiles and it's gonna

1682
01:00:15,444 --> 01:00:18,164
dock there, refuse. You know? Refuse because that

1683
01:00:18,324 --> 01:00:20,164
that's the the only way that you can

1684
01:00:20,164 --> 01:00:21,844
help is you can stop those weapons from

1685
01:00:21,844 --> 01:00:23,224
going with your own ads,

1686
01:00:24,244 --> 01:00:26,484
you know, and take these actions and and,

1687
01:00:26,644 --> 01:00:28,565
launch strikes and and do what the,

1688
01:00:29,329 --> 01:00:30,710
port workers in Morocco,

1689
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:33,730
did. Of course, the regime might still, you

1690
01:00:33,730 --> 01:00:35,889
know, fly those weapons over, but at least

1691
01:00:35,889 --> 01:00:37,889
then you're taking a step. Right. But, you

1692
01:00:37,889 --> 01:00:40,210
know, look. We're very, very limited in what

1693
01:00:40,210 --> 01:00:42,289
we can do because the governments don't listen

1694
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:43,454
to us. Yeah.

1695
01:00:43,835 --> 01:00:45,434
But, you know, it does make an impact.

1696
01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:47,194
And, you know, when you see these active

1697
01:00:47,275 --> 01:00:48,094
acts of solidarity,

1698
01:00:48,394 --> 01:00:49,454
you see people,

1699
01:00:50,155 --> 01:00:52,155
you know, struggling and putting it all on

1700
01:00:52,155 --> 01:00:52,734
the line.

1701
01:00:53,114 --> 01:00:55,135
We saw what was happening in the universities

1702
01:00:55,194 --> 01:00:57,355
with the encampments. We saw what was happening

1703
01:00:57,355 --> 01:01:00,539
with, you know, unions. We saw what's happening

1704
01:01:00,780 --> 01:01:01,280
with,

1705
01:01:02,260 --> 01:01:04,260
the the activist work of trying to shut

1706
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:06,820
down weapons factories. These things do mean something.

1707
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:08,519
They are meaningful. They do

1708
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:11,300
represent a shift. And, ultimately, as well, when

1709
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:13,555
it comes to electing your officials, don't elect

1710
01:01:13,555 --> 01:01:16,355
anyone that supports Israel. Right. You're supporting a

1711
01:01:16,355 --> 01:01:16,855
genocidal,

1712
01:01:18,035 --> 01:01:18,855
regime, and,

1713
01:01:20,515 --> 01:01:22,515
they they have nothing to do. They're not

1714
01:01:22,515 --> 01:01:24,675
working in the interest of the American people,

1715
01:01:24,675 --> 01:01:26,914
the British people, or anybody else. They're working

1716
01:01:26,914 --> 01:01:27,815
in their own,

1717
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:29,130
interests,

1718
01:01:29,909 --> 01:01:30,969
lining their pockets.

1719
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:34,309
And, hopefully, when they finish their careers, in

1720
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:35,530
their minds, hopefully,

1721
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:36,730
in their careers,

1722
01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:39,190
as politicians, they'll end up being put on

1723
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:41,324
the board of some weapons company. That's what

1724
01:01:41,324 --> 01:01:43,085
they're doing, and that's who they're acting on

1725
01:01:43,085 --> 01:01:45,905
behalf. They're acting upon the behalf of

1726
01:01:46,204 --> 01:01:47,025
big corporations,

1727
01:01:47,324 --> 01:01:49,664
and they're fueling a genocidal,

1728
01:01:51,164 --> 01:01:53,905
maniac regime of psychopaths and lunatics.

1729
01:01:54,869 --> 01:01:57,529
So, you know, vote for the opposite candidate

1730
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:59,609
of whoever's advocating for Israel.

1731
01:02:00,309 --> 01:02:02,309
That's that's where you you put your money

1732
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:03,449
where your mouth is.

1733
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:06,789
And this issue crosses party lines. You know?

1734
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:08,505
When it comes to a genocide, it it

1735
01:02:08,505 --> 01:02:10,344
may be somebody you don't agree with on

1736
01:02:10,344 --> 01:02:11,804
majority of the issues,

1737
01:02:12,105 --> 01:02:14,344
but that person is there, and that person

1738
01:02:14,344 --> 01:02:16,664
is standing up to genocide. So that's the

1739
01:02:16,664 --> 01:02:18,505
person you know to go against the person

1740
01:02:18,505 --> 01:02:20,204
who's pro genocide. Right.

1741
01:02:20,690 --> 01:02:22,690
So those are obviously steps that we can

1742
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:23,349
take here,

1743
01:02:24,289 --> 01:02:26,610
in the West and, also organize into groups

1744
01:02:26,610 --> 01:02:29,010
and get together in person with people locally,

1745
01:02:29,010 --> 01:02:30,230
you know, try and educate

1746
01:02:30,610 --> 01:02:32,930
around workshops. You know? It's always good to

1747
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:36,014
have that in person contact. Mhmm. It, you

1748
01:02:36,014 --> 01:02:37,534
know, it it might not feel like you're

1749
01:02:37,534 --> 01:02:39,694
doing anything, but you can share an enormous

1750
01:02:39,694 --> 01:02:40,514
amount of

1751
01:02:40,974 --> 01:02:42,815
knowledge. There will be people in the local

1752
01:02:42,815 --> 01:02:45,054
community or perhaps Palestinians. They know a lot

1753
01:02:45,054 --> 01:02:46,675
more, and they can educate.

1754
01:02:47,070 --> 01:02:49,070
So there's a lot you can do in

1755
01:02:49,070 --> 01:02:51,230
terms of locally. And then if you build

1756
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:53,230
up that power as a local group, you

1757
01:02:53,230 --> 01:02:53,730
can

1758
01:02:54,030 --> 01:02:56,930
exert some pressure, and these small little moves

1759
01:02:57,309 --> 01:02:58,769
do actually mean something.

1760
01:02:59,469 --> 01:03:01,309
But, obviously, you know, the real battle is

1761
01:03:01,309 --> 01:03:02,050
on the ground.

1762
01:03:02,534 --> 01:03:04,454
The real warriors are going to be the

1763
01:03:04,454 --> 01:03:06,855
people in Gaza or the people in Lebanon

1764
01:03:06,855 --> 01:03:09,114
if Israel invades again. You know,

1765
01:03:09,815 --> 01:03:11,734
the the battle is on the ground, but

1766
01:03:11,734 --> 01:03:13,894
all that the pop population can do, it

1767
01:03:13,894 --> 01:03:16,454
does pressure governments. For instance, even though it's

1768
01:03:16,454 --> 01:03:16,954
symbolic,

1769
01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:18,150
The UK,

1770
01:03:18,610 --> 01:03:19,110
France,

1771
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:23,010
and, Australia recently all said they're going to

1772
01:03:23,010 --> 01:03:25,909
recognize Palestine, and that is because their populations

1773
01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:28,210
are on their backs. Right. That's because they're

1774
01:03:28,210 --> 01:03:31,190
being pressured. The media changes its tune slightly,

1775
01:03:31,944 --> 01:03:34,045
and starts reporting more factually.

1776
01:03:34,424 --> 01:03:36,744
It's disgusting that it took the pressure to

1777
01:03:36,744 --> 01:03:38,424
do it, but it's because of the public

1778
01:03:38,424 --> 01:03:41,224
pressure. It's because the people are demanding it.

1779
01:03:41,224 --> 01:03:42,045
And, ultimately,

1780
01:03:42,344 --> 01:03:44,539
yes, that doesn't work immediately.

1781
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,400
But over time, these are changes which happen

1782
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,820
and and change the entire system. They change

1783
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,079
discourse, what's acceptable discourse, what can get somebody

1784
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,960
elected. And then if your elected officials are

1785
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,719
all going to be pro Palestinian at least

1786
01:03:57,719 --> 01:03:59,505
in the future, then you know that they're

1787
01:03:59,505 --> 01:04:01,184
going to make the right decisions or they're

1788
01:04:01,184 --> 01:04:03,105
gonna be closer to the right decisions and

1789
01:04:03,105 --> 01:04:04,405
closer to moral positions,

1790
01:04:05,025 --> 01:04:06,244
than those in the past,

1791
01:04:06,545 --> 01:04:08,704
even if you can't fully trust everything about

1792
01:04:08,704 --> 01:04:09,525
those people.

1793
01:04:09,984 --> 01:04:12,460
Yeah. And oh, go ahead. No. No. No.

1794
01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:14,539
I think that's the this finishes up my

1795
01:04:14,539 --> 01:04:16,219
point. I'll just I'll just add to it.

1796
01:04:16,219 --> 01:04:17,200
Something I've said,

1797
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,059
in general, what very much applies here as

1798
01:04:20,059 --> 01:04:21,519
well. But, it's

1799
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:24,005
right now, it's obvious to me that and

1800
01:04:24,005 --> 01:04:25,856
you can just take, let's say, APAC to

1801
01:04:25,856 --> 01:04:27,706
make it less conspiratorial for some people that

1802
01:04:27,706 --> 01:04:29,556
wanna deny the most obvious thing in the

1803
01:04:29,556 --> 01:04:31,406
world right now, is that the lobbying influence,

1804
01:04:31,406 --> 01:04:33,255
right, it's clear that in many minds of

1805
01:04:33,487 --> 01:04:35,337
or I suppose to say most politicians in

1806
01:04:35,337 --> 01:04:37,418
the in the West. It's not even it's

1807
01:04:37,418 --> 01:04:40,130
public. They recognize a benefit they gain from

1808
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:42,369
leaning into that. And you don't even half

1809
01:04:42,369 --> 01:04:43,809
of them probably don't even care about the

1810
01:04:43,809 --> 01:04:45,489
real politics or the real agenda. They just

1811
01:04:45,489 --> 01:04:47,409
recognize I can gain power by saying these

1812
01:04:47,409 --> 01:04:50,130
things. The point is that's called opportunism. Right?

1813
01:04:50,130 --> 01:04:51,569
They'll do what they need to do to

1814
01:04:51,569 --> 01:04:53,844
get the opportunity. So as a people and

1815
01:04:53,844 --> 01:04:54,965
this is a good example of The UK.

1816
01:04:54,965 --> 01:04:56,644
Right? They don't they don't believe the they

1817
01:04:56,644 --> 01:04:58,325
don't care about they've been fighting that tooth

1818
01:04:58,325 --> 01:04:59,605
and nail. The reason they did it is

1819
01:04:59,605 --> 01:05:01,605
because their population is demanding it and they

1820
01:05:01,605 --> 01:05:04,405
recognize there's more benefit to me. There's more

1821
01:05:04,405 --> 01:05:06,724
opportunity to going with what they're saying than

1822
01:05:06,724 --> 01:05:08,405
the negative I'll get by saying it from

1823
01:05:08,405 --> 01:05:08,880
Israel.

1824
01:05:09,279 --> 01:05:11,039
Right? Give them that benefit. Even if you

1825
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:12,639
hate them, even if you know that they're

1826
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:15,219
dishonest, don't trust everything they say going forward.

1827
01:05:15,279 --> 01:05:16,960
Question the next thing they do. But when

1828
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,639
they say the right thing and also doubt

1829
01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:20,159
their intention for saying it. But when they

1830
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:22,164
say the right thing, raise it up. Right?

1831
01:05:22,164 --> 01:05:23,844
I see Marjorie Taylor Greene coming out and

1832
01:05:23,844 --> 01:05:26,005
calling out Israel. I'm I don't personally don't

1833
01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:27,605
think her intentions are true, but I said,

1834
01:05:27,605 --> 01:05:29,605
good. She's saying the right thing. That's correct.

1835
01:05:29,605 --> 01:05:31,125
And I think the reason she's doing it

1836
01:05:31,125 --> 01:05:32,804
is because she's smart enough to see, one

1837
01:05:32,804 --> 01:05:34,005
of the rare times I'll give her that,

1838
01:05:34,005 --> 01:05:36,404
the smart to see to see that people

1839
01:05:36,404 --> 01:05:37,224
in her,

1840
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,300
you know, in the Republican conservative side

1841
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:42,199
are not okay with what's going on by

1842
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:43,800
and large and want someone to stand up

1843
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,480
and say that's wrong. And when she did,

1844
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,320
she got a waterfall support for it. So,

1845
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,559
you know, you see other politicians, other smaller

1846
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:52,175
ones going, okay. Maybe Israel's gonna attack me,

1847
01:05:52,175 --> 01:05:53,454
but maybe I can rise up in the

1848
01:05:53,454 --> 01:05:55,454
ranks in the political field. Right? They're all

1849
01:05:55,454 --> 01:05:57,375
out there for their own benefit. So play

1850
01:05:57,375 --> 01:05:59,375
the game back. Question everything they do. Right?

1851
01:05:59,375 --> 01:06:01,454
Don't follow them you know, hold their feet

1852
01:06:01,454 --> 01:06:03,375
to the fire always, but raise up what's

1853
01:06:03,375 --> 01:06:05,610
honest and what's true. Right? As Robert's saying,

1854
01:06:05,849 --> 01:06:08,430
this momentum is already there. It will continue

1855
01:06:08,489 --> 01:06:09,930
if we can finally do that, but we'll

1856
01:06:09,930 --> 01:06:11,769
fight against the team's core politics. But I

1857
01:06:11,769 --> 01:06:13,610
think we're winning the day right now. So

1858
01:06:13,610 --> 01:06:15,470
thank thank you for being here and and

1859
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:17,849
continuing to inform everybody about what's actually going

1860
01:06:17,849 --> 01:06:19,494
on. Anything else you wanna leave us with

1861
01:06:19,494 --> 01:06:21,335
before we you know, final thoughts or upcoming

1862
01:06:21,335 --> 01:06:22,875
events or anything you wanna shout out?

1863
01:06:23,494 --> 01:06:26,875
I'd just like to make mention of, Anas

1864
01:06:27,014 --> 01:06:29,755
Sharif who was, murdered yesterday,

1865
01:06:30,375 --> 01:06:32,534
an LJ zero journalist who was perhaps the

1866
01:06:32,534 --> 01:06:33,195
most prominent

1867
01:06:33,869 --> 01:06:35,009
Palestinian journalist,

1868
01:06:35,389 --> 01:06:37,009
reporting in the Arabic language.

1869
01:06:37,869 --> 01:06:39,809
So I'd like to make mention of him.

1870
01:06:40,509 --> 01:06:41,969
The Israelis, of course,

1871
01:06:42,989 --> 01:06:45,789
made up a litany of lies about him

1872
01:06:45,789 --> 01:06:48,049
in order to try and justify his murder.

1873
01:06:48,775 --> 01:06:49,434
But, ultimately,

1874
01:06:50,375 --> 01:06:53,655
he was a courageous journalist, and, he provided

1875
01:06:53,655 --> 01:06:54,394
us all,

1876
01:06:55,255 --> 01:06:58,315
valuable insight from on the ground in Gaza.

1877
01:06:59,255 --> 01:07:00,855
And he will go down as one of

1878
01:07:00,855 --> 01:07:01,675
the legends,

1879
01:07:02,215 --> 01:07:02,954
of journalism.

1880
01:07:03,289 --> 01:07:05,769
He's one of the bravest journalists and best

1881
01:07:05,769 --> 01:07:08,409
journalists, the hard work most hardworking that we've

1882
01:07:08,409 --> 01:07:11,050
ever seen. He never stopped for twenty two

1883
01:07:11,050 --> 01:07:12,889
months of genocide, and he was offered to

1884
01:07:12,889 --> 01:07:13,710
leave Gaza

1885
01:07:14,170 --> 01:07:16,089
towards the end. And he said no, that

1886
01:07:16,089 --> 01:07:18,089
he'd rather stay with his people. And now

1887
01:07:18,089 --> 01:07:19,974
both of his children will grow up without

1888
01:07:19,974 --> 01:07:20,635
a father.

1889
01:07:21,414 --> 01:07:23,835
His wife will go, obviously, without

1890
01:07:24,215 --> 01:07:24,954
her husband.

1891
01:07:25,735 --> 01:07:28,295
His his family will grieve and suffer, but

1892
01:07:28,295 --> 01:07:30,235
the work that he did was so incredibly

1893
01:07:30,454 --> 01:07:30,954
valuable,

1894
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:35,139
so incredibly important. And the nonsense Israeli propaganda

1895
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:36,500
for their war crime,

1896
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,519
it's every single time. Everything they do, they

1897
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:42,319
never take accountability. They've always got a stupid

1898
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:43,619
excuse, which, again,

1899
01:07:43,994 --> 01:07:46,554
shows how much they're violating international law when

1900
01:07:46,554 --> 01:07:48,514
they're posting stupid photos. Oh, well, he took

1901
01:07:48,514 --> 01:07:49,454
a photo with

1902
01:07:49,755 --> 01:07:53,034
Ismael Haniyah or Yahya Sinwar or something. You

1903
01:07:53,034 --> 01:07:55,594
know? That doesn't make someone a legitimate target

1904
01:07:55,594 --> 01:07:57,114
to blow them up with a missile along

1905
01:07:57,114 --> 01:08:00,519
with their entire media crew because you accuse

1906
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:01,819
them of taking photos

1907
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:04,599
or favoring a group that is a violation

1908
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:06,780
of international law. That's a war crime.

1909
01:08:07,239 --> 01:08:07,739
And,

1910
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:11,079
yeah, the the work that he did,

1911
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:13,099
will remain immortal,

1912
01:08:13,674 --> 01:08:16,494
what he did. So I think, it's it's

1913
01:08:17,114 --> 01:08:18,335
worth mentioning him,

1914
01:08:18,954 --> 01:08:20,094
and what he contributed.

1915
01:08:21,114 --> 01:08:23,594
You know, these are the real journalists. There's

1916
01:08:23,594 --> 01:08:25,994
around 240, almost 240

1917
01:08:25,994 --> 01:08:28,909
murdered in Gaza. These are the best journalists

1918
01:08:28,969 --> 01:08:29,630
on the planet.

1919
01:08:30,010 --> 01:08:30,909
These are the

1920
01:08:31,449 --> 01:08:32,989
the the voices that

1921
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:34,270
brought to us

1922
01:08:34,810 --> 01:08:37,369
the voice of the Palestinian people during a

1923
01:08:37,369 --> 01:08:37,869
genocide,

1924
01:08:38,409 --> 01:08:40,189
and they knew what they were sacrificing,

1925
01:08:41,354 --> 01:08:43,434
by continuing to report, but they did so

1926
01:08:43,434 --> 01:08:44,574
bravely and valiantly,

1927
01:08:45,514 --> 01:08:47,534
and they never gave up. So,

1928
01:08:47,994 --> 01:08:49,854
these people need to be commemorated,

1929
01:08:50,394 --> 01:08:52,949
and these people need to be their life

1930
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:55,350
needs to be celebrated. And then also, they

1931
01:08:55,350 --> 01:08:57,610
need to inspire others to do better.

1932
01:08:59,190 --> 01:09:01,030
And and, of course, if you're a journalist

1933
01:09:01,030 --> 01:09:02,570
that you're watching this,

1934
01:09:03,750 --> 01:09:06,085
you're not a journalist unless you stand with

1935
01:09:06,085 --> 01:09:07,764
the journalists of Gaza. You don't get to

1936
01:09:07,764 --> 01:09:09,604
have that title. You don't get to share

1937
01:09:09,604 --> 01:09:10,344
that title.

1938
01:09:10,804 --> 01:09:13,625
You're a propagandist and a stenographer.

1939
01:09:14,244 --> 01:09:16,804
Like, it's all you are. So Yeah. That's

1940
01:09:16,804 --> 01:09:18,965
what I'd like to say about that. Couldn't

1941
01:09:18,965 --> 01:09:21,280
agree more. And for the podcast, what I

1942
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,119
was showing on screen is the reality that

1943
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:25,840
what what Robert was referencing is the continual

1944
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:27,220
I mean, almost

1945
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,820
continually more ridiculous day by day, more flimsy,

1946
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,545
more pathetic is a fake Telegram in you

1947
01:09:33,545 --> 01:09:35,704
know, a picture of a fake Telegram. They

1948
01:09:35,704 --> 01:09:37,545
don't even understand. Like, they could have taken

1949
01:09:37,545 --> 01:09:39,164
half a second to look at what Telegram

1950
01:09:39,304 --> 01:09:41,225
actually looks like. You know, they they it's

1951
01:09:41,225 --> 01:09:43,484
just embarrassing. And this is all to rationalize

1952
01:09:43,784 --> 01:09:44,904
for the minds of people that would have

1953
01:09:44,904 --> 01:09:46,170
already agreed with them in the first place.

1954
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:47,609
Most people out there are very aware of

1955
01:09:47,609 --> 01:09:49,449
the genocide going on, and it's like this

1956
01:09:49,449 --> 01:09:51,210
game to I I don't even know how

1957
01:09:51,210 --> 01:09:52,729
to frame it, but they're lying about this

1958
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:54,409
to execute people. And I I agree with

1959
01:09:54,409 --> 01:09:56,010
you, Robert. I think that these people are

1960
01:09:56,010 --> 01:09:57,929
heroes to be out there knowing. I mean,

1961
01:09:57,929 --> 01:10:00,154
think about what that takes. To go out

1962
01:10:00,154 --> 01:10:02,314
there every day knowing that they're not just

1963
01:10:02,314 --> 01:10:03,914
you could die like any other journalist in

1964
01:10:03,914 --> 01:10:05,274
the middle of a war, but they're aiming

1965
01:10:05,274 --> 01:10:07,194
for you, that they're trying and they'll they'll

1966
01:10:07,194 --> 01:10:09,835
kill your family. You know? It's this is

1967
01:10:09,835 --> 01:10:12,154
the yeah. I think the way you said

1968
01:10:12,154 --> 01:10:14,139
it is exactly right. So thank you for

1969
01:10:14,139 --> 01:10:16,319
for making sure that people understand that and

1970
01:10:16,380 --> 01:10:18,300
and for fighting for this, man. So thank

1971
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:20,639
you. And everybody out there, as always, question

1972
01:10:20,859 --> 01:10:21,359
everything.

1973
01:10:21,739 --> 01:10:22,960
Come to your own conclusions.

1974
01:10:23,340 --> 01:10:24,079
Stay vigilant.