Welcome to the last American vagabond. Joining me
today is Robert in Lakesh to discuss
the current reality of the chaos happening in
the occupation in Gaza of Palestine.
Now I wanna bring it back on to
discuss today a few different focal points of
this conversation, but mainly the idea of the
occupation and and the well, rather the extension,
the additional aspects of the current occupation and,
really,
the kind of impending discussion of that from
Netanyahu and Donald Trump and the allowance of
that from The US and just what's gonna
be happening next. Robert's got plenty of insightful
opinions on this. He's more knowledgeable on this
topic than anybody else I know. So, Robert,
good to have you back on the show,
brother. How are you?
I'm doing fine, and, thanks for having me
back. Yep. Always a pleasure. Always a pleasure,
brother. Seriously. I mean, you there's nobody ever
I've talked to I talk to a lot
of people about this. And you there's there's
very few people that seem to have not
only the insights, the the contacts, the you
know, it you clearly understand this more than
anybody I've ever spoken to. So it's very
important, especially now as we watch this kind
of tiptoe towards you know? I mean, what
would you even call that? Like, you know,
this like, it's currently occupied
that legally speaking by every every legal reality
that we can talk to, but I guess
just the the, I guess, the annihilation of
what is left to Palestine, I guess, is
the sad reality of that. Right?
Yeah. Well, I to begin with, I appreciate
the introduction,
and,
I would say that the direction that it's
heading in is that the Israelis don't have
an actual answer,
as to what to do in Gaza. They're
fighting what they call or what Netanyahu is
frequently referred to as a seven front war.
And I think that people have to understand
the war in its entirety as a regional
conflict, not just localized into Gaza, and that's
very important to understand when looking at this,
because Israel has been attacking
all of its neighbors.
And it's even been threatening Jordan
and Egypt as well,
at different junctures.
But, of course, its war has expanded multiple
times into Lebanon. It's currently occupying more territory
and seizing more land inside of Syria and
bombing it frequently.
Evidently, it's committed around four five 4,000 violations
of the Lebanon ceasefire.
It kidnaps people,
destroys homes when people are trying to rebuild
their homes in the South. It's now occupying
six points, military points that it's set up
in in Southern Lebanon instead of five that
it originally
established.
And it commits air strikes and kills civilians,
on a near daily basis.
And, of course, it attacks Iran,
in total violation of the UN Charter, which
even UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres didn't have,
the guts to call out as a violation
of the UN Charter nor The US attack.
And in all of this, The United States
and the Western allies of the Israelis and
Western European allies are,
participants in in the war. One aspect of
it, as you mentioned, is in Gaza.
Evidently, they're talking about an occupation plan now
in the Gaza Strip, and I will get
a little bit more into that. But I
don't believe that they have any end goal.
They want desperately for the people in in
Gaza to leave. They just don't have the
means of achieving it. And so they come
up with all of these different strategies and
operations,
and each time they claim that the next
operation is going to be so magnificent, and
it's gonna free all of their captives,
and it's going to totally,
defeat Hamas, and they're gonna discover something new
that's
miraculously hid every single time under a hospital,
which doesn't exist, you know, and they'll create
a whole bunch of lies, commit war crimes,
escalate their bombing campaign for a period of
time,
and, of course, do things like starve the
population.
So,
they don't actually have an end goal,
and
they claim that they want and they seek
this ultimate victory.
They want total victory
over all of their enemies, but they haven't
secured total victory over anyone on any front.
There is no total victory
anywhere.
There are a bunch of stalemates which are
going to open back up. Israel's continually aggressing.
When it comes to Iran, for instance, when
it comes to Lebanon, when it comes to
Yemen,
These are sort of lower down
conflicts compared to,
the front in Gaza,
but still they have failed to defeat anyone.
They've failed to inflict the killing blow on
any of these organizations resisting them. In fact,
the support for these groups and countries,
in the region has only grown,
and they may have taken military blows for
sure,
but they have definitely not defeated them on
an ideological front. They haven't disbanded any of
these organizations or governments,
and they have assassinations,
terrorist plots,
and the bombings of civilians and civilian infrastructure
to show for it.
Their their policy from day one, as everyone
knows, was to commit a genocide in Gaza.
And the reason,
that they went straight to this strategy
was they they knew if you go into
Gaza, you cannot,
take over Gaza.
Mhmm. You cannot defeat Hamas without massive military
casualties for the Israeli military. Which you rightly
predicted, by the way, which I mean, you
you pointed the the precedent of the history.
But before we got to this recent point,
post October 7, you were saying the same
thing well before that in our interviews that
they knew that and proving out yet again.
You know? So they the point I'm making
is he's making they know this. Israel knows
this now. So that factored that into the
way you see their decisions playing out. Go
ahead.
Well, even before October 7, and I I
think I made the argument perhaps,
on Last American Vagabond,
and in many other places. And I remember,
a few interviews I was on. I can't
remember where, I was speaking,
where
I predicted that if Hamas was going to
launch any sort of an attack, it would
launch pretty much very similar attack to what
we saw on October 7. That would be,
you know, their option if they were going
to launch, an all out attack. And the
Israeli response, I said, at the time, it
would be tens of thousands of Palestinians that
would be killed.
I obviously didn't know,
how
horrendous and for how long it would go
on and how dramatic it would,
be.
And and the reason why,
I made that sort of prediction in the
event that a massive Hamas attack and an
offensive would occur,
is because of the experience in 2014
when the Israeli military went into,
Gaza.
They made that decision towards the end of
the fifty one day war,
where they sent their troops into areas like,
Shajaiya,
and they were killed,
on a lot on a higher scale than
what they anticipated.
And there were a number of attempts to
kidnap,
soldiers, and some of them were taken, by
the way.
In the last round
of of the prisoner swaps, there was actually
an Ethiopian,
Jewish Israeli
soldier who was traded, who was there since
02/2014.
So they know that the cost of actually
trying to go after go after Hamas
to target them directly, to try and go
and hit the tunnel infrastructure, and to throw
your army behind such an offensive was going
to be very costly to their soldiers. And
so what they did this time when they
invaded and all of the different invasions of
areas of Gaza,
they throw their tanks and their armored personnel
carriers into an area. They've bombed it out
already. They have air support. They don't even
put the infantry next to their armored personnel
carriers or tanks, which you would generally do
Mhmm. As per all of the military contacts
that I speak to.
And so what they've done essentially is trying
to to limit
the death toll of their soldiers,
and they'll go into an area. It's always
a civilian area. Take it over temporarily,
set up in fortified positions,
and you don't see any actual clashes. There's
no footage of the Israeli military in twenty
two months
of their invasion of Gaza.
There's no footage of the Israeli military
directly fighting and engaging in,
combat missions against Hamas. You might have one
or two little videos over here. There is
the exception of a few special forces offer,
operations which were carried out. But the vast
majority of the fighting is not going after
Hamas. That's not their missions. They go and
they might clear a building and set up
there. All the footage that we see
from the battlefield
is Hamas, Islamic Jihad,
the PFLP, all of the different organizations, about
a a dozen Palestinian armed groups there, but
them ambushing Israelis.
It's not the Israelis on the offensive. And
even some of the videos we see come
out from the Israeli military is them getting
ambushed and trying to respond to it. Mhmm.
The Israelis have not actually gone after Hamas.
That's not been their strategy. If they did,
the death toll amongst their,
their soldiers would be much higher. The injury
rate is enormous amongst their soldiers,
and that's because they're getting hit inside of
these armored personnel carriers and tanks. So there's
a lot of injuries, but the death toll,
which I believe they're hiding a large amount
of it anyway,
but the death toll is not what we
would expect,
in such a conflict. And, again, that's because
they're not fighting
Hamas. They're not going after Hamas. They're going
after the civilian population. There's no need to
destroy nearly 90% of all of the buildings
in the Gaza
Strip, to destroy everything, all of the universities,
all of the schools, all of the mosques,
all of the hospitals, all of the churches,
etcetera,
if you're going after Hamas.
And still, you know, twenty two months on,
we've not seen one video of a Hamas
fighter using a human shield. Not a single
one. Nothing.
So that's their strategy. Their strategy is genocide.
And six, if I remember correctly, on record
videos, and we know there's more. It goes
back before mosquito protocol. What's What's the new
one? Neighbor procedure, that was the old one.
New one's mosquito. Six times I remember on
video since October 7 where they've gotten caught
using human shields. Like, the worst examples, like,
the guy who was tied to the front
of the car in middle of summer with
that melted his skin. This was reported publicly
even by corporate media. It's insane how how
obvious the Sully is and how contorted it
is with, you know, every part of it.
But so what I the way I call
the bigger well, you started with, you know,
the greater Israel genocide is what it feels
like to me. Multifaceted, multiple countries, same objective.
And, you know, even in Syria, we're watching
massive ethnic cleansing. You know, it seems the
same kind of tactics here. But so the,
the reason that my you know, I see
it this way and what I was starting
with is that, you know, like you clearly
went to. This feel this is a genocide.
This is cleansing this place of this population.
So let let's start with the point that
we left off on the last conversation and
which, by the way, I hope you guys
will check out because this interestingly, this conversation,
there's a lot in this that was really
prevalent and really kind of, like, prescient to
what was about to happen. But the main
point that I like to refer to in
this interview was the point of the guy
we shared there in the clip the the
image, the ISIS linked gangs. That that as
Robert really accurately highlighted
before the GHF
was the middle group that they were already
kind of using relaying to
grab food, sell at higher prices to manipulate
the Palestinians, not Hamas. Right? And now they're
the ones running this, in part, this execution
line that if you even wanna call it
involving food. It's insane to me. And I
by the way, if you I have a
couple clips we can play from, what's her
name, McCain from the w, the World Food
Programme. We also have the it's blurred in
Israeli media, of course, but the green the
former,
military veteran from The United States who's testified
that they're killing and executing innocent people. You
know, it's just it's obvious on the front
of it. So before we get into the
occupation and other parts of it, you know,
what have you seen since this conversation
around the GHF?
You know, give me your thoughts on it.
What do you think I mean, is that
just I mean, the reason I'm hesitant of
asking whether it's their objective. It's obvious they're
killing people.
How can it be that obvious that they
could just line people up and execute them
and everyone's telling it? Do you think there's
a bigger agenda around this, or is it
just simple murder? What do you think?
Well, at the start, we saw that they
were trying to implement this plan where Yasser
Abu Sheba, you see his image,
in
the article there.
He's ahead, and he's linked to ISIS,
in the Sinai.
And
many members of his group is all also
have links not only to ISIS, but other
Salafist organizations
of high def affiliates, which Hamas
fought since it came into power. There's always
been clashes with Al Qaeda. And then later
in 02/2015,
a wing of ISIS was set up in
the Gaza Strip, which Hamas crushed,
which led to in 02/2018,
the official,
you know, mother organization, I suppose, of ISIS,
declared war
on Hamas and, declared that anyone needs to
pick up weapons and try and depose them.
And there is even some of these militant
groups, by the way, these ISIS and and
Qaeda linked militant groups that we have evidence
fired rockets,
from Gaza, bottle rockets and short short range
bottle rockets from Gaza to,
which then,
begot an Israeli reaction where they bombed Gaza.
So the these groups were operating like that
to draw fire on Hamas and Islamic Jihad
and the other Palestinian groups, and Hamas was
trying to crack down on them. So there's
long been I you can't say there's a
document
proving back then that Israel, you know, called
them up and said fire a rocket. I
mean,
you you can make sense of that yourself.
You can draw your own conclusions as to
what you believe about that and what you
think that means.
But when it comes now to what has
just happened with this Abu Shabaab group,
of gangsters and and they're not just ISIS
linked and highly linked gangsters.
They're,
former collaborators.
Their murderers who were in the jails. Because
on October 7, one of the first things
that Israel decided to do was bomb all
of the prison facilities in Gaza. So all
of the prisoners got out, and then it
started coordinating with them, which meant that collaborators
inside those prisons, which were imprisoned for collaborating
with Israel, got out. People who were drug
traffickers like Abu Shebaab, by the way. The
the leader, Yasser Abu Shebaab, he was a
drug trafficker. That's why he was in jail,
for trafficking drugs
into
Gaza, for the Sinai.
And then you've got, people who are all
all sorts of petty criminals and,
ex Palestinian
authority force,
members which are working,
along with Abu Shebaab and his gang. Originally,
what they were last year after Israel invaded
Rafah was a force that was put together
by the Israelis in sovereign Gaza.
They tried this strategy in the North, but
what happened is not only Hamas,
and the other Palestinian group, but the the
local population physically expelled these people.
They got rid of them, and they and
they ran away.
So they they stopped it in Northern Gaza.
But in Southern Gaza, because there's nobody in
that zone where they operate,
in the East of Rafah,
But the Israeli military, it's like a kill
zone for anyone that comes in other than
specifically coordinated
aid trucks,
which then these militants would loot,
and, of course, the Israeli military itself and
the Abu Shehbab gang. So Hamas couldn't reach
them and and try and,
because Hamas has been tackling them. Right? It's
police force because it was a governing force
in Gaza. It has it had its own
police force and security apparatus before.
They have been trying to go after these
gangsters,
but they can't reach that area because if
they do, then they'll get taken up by
Israeli airstrike. So what they were since that
invasion was a looting force. So they'd loot
the aid. The aid trucks, when they come
through, they'd have to pay 4,000
US dollars to these militants
per a truck,
when they're coming in. And still some of
it could get looted as well.
So a lot of the aid organizations, they
can't say it publicly. They can't admit it
because it's, you know, complicity technically.
But they didn't have a choice. It's either
you've gotta pay this fee or else no
aid is going into Gaza. Mhmm. And, of
course, they looted the aid, brought it to
these warehouses under the surveillance of Israeli drones,
and then they sort of drip fed it
onto the markets in Gaza, which made the
food prices go for the roof, which meant
that the only people
that are capable of buying those goods are
the people with money. And the people with
the money, the majority of whom are getting
a a salary now are the people that
have that salary coming in from the Palestinian
Authority before. And the Palestinian Authority collaborates, of
course, with the Israelis
and The United States.
And so
this system that they set up was to
try and cripple Gaza,
and to try and get also the people
to revolt, which has not worked.
What happened then after Israel,
tore apart the ceasefire agreement is they transformed
this force, and they use their media
as well, their media apparatus in the West.
And it's it's fair enough to call them
just straight up Israeli,
like, foreign ministry stenographers
at this point.
They tried to whitewash the image of the
Assad Abu Shebaq.
And they even recently I forget whether it
was the Washington Post or Wall Street Journal,
but they published
an article supposedly written by Yasser Abu Shebaab
where he's saying that the people are done
with Hamas in Gaza, and they're rising up.
And the problem, as you probably know, is
that Yasser Abu Shabaab, not only does he
not speak English, not only is he not
literate in English, he is he's illiterate. He
can't read and he can't write. That's on
record in Arabic.
So how he wrote an article
in English,
of course, that he didn't write it.
That's very obvious that he didn't write it.
And I
I don't know how it's even possible unless
you had somebody sitting there, you know, writing
his words, and then it's it's just ridiculous.
But what they did is they tried to
use this gang. They coordinated with the Gaza
Humanitarian
Foundation, so called, and their private military contractors
to coordinate the flow of aid to their
aid points where 1,800 Palestinians have been gunned
down trying to reach these aid points, by
the way, that murdered that Yep. Thousands more
have been in injured. And really quickly, but
I we don't have to play them. I
played them million times. There is probably five
or six net people, not even counting even
IDF members who have who have defected and
talked about this in a broad sense or
any others, but
I wanna say five people from the inside.
World World Food Programme, multiple military people who
have come out and said they're murdering people.
They're literally executing people in front of us.
You know? There's also this gigantic crane that's
basically automated that just fires on people for
you know? So just people know that. Go
ahead, Robert. But it's murder on the record
all over the place. Go ahead. Yeah. Absolutely.
There's no disputing it Yeah. At this point.
There's absolutely no disputing it. It's very obvious
what's happening, and and a lot of people
you know, I interviewed a woman in Gaza,
last week,
and, one of her cousins was killed.
For instance, in my extended family, I believe
two people have been killed going to those
eight points. It it's a lot of people
know people at this point who have been
either injured or killed at these eight points.
And everyone knows who's doing it. Everyone sees
who's doing it. We we didn't even need,
you know, the testimony,
and, these whistleblowers to know what was happening.
But, unfortunately, the way the Western media frames
it is, well, if, you know, a Western
journalist isn't in there who works for the
BBC or CNN, then we can't verify it.
It's like, well, there's a video of it.
Multiple videos. There's eyewitnesses. There's doctors. You know?
Putting that point aside, the ultimate goal here
at the start was to coordinate this aid
entrance, and then they were building this concentration
camp in Sovereign Gaza in the West of
Rafa,
between Rafa and and Han Yunus. And they
set up what's known as the Morag
Corridor as well to, again, bisect another area
of Gaza.
They've withdrawn from that now, and they realized
that they couldn't operate this concentration camp. But
that was ultimately the goal, for some portion
of time. They were actually building this concentration
camp,
But they they sort of threw this to
the side. They realized it wasn't workable, and
people were not going to voluntarily go into
this concentration
camp.
You know, especially after they were massacred going
and trying to collect aid.
So that that agenda collapsed, and that was
part of, what Israel called Operation Gideon's Chariots,
which had started earlier this last year, which
was supposed to be phase two of its
war.
And it was supposed to be, again, another
operation, which was gonna defeat Hamas completely, and
the Israeli media got very excited about how
wonderful
for them the operation was going to be.
And, ultimately, they killed more of their captives
with bombing attacks, and they starved
the population of Gaza.
And they continued bombing innocent people, and they're
killing around a 100 people a day in
Gaza now. So they haven't achieved anything. They're
it's just more civilian slaughter,
at this point.
Well, so you mentioned the so you're saying
that
the objective well, so the part of the
food line, you know, assassinations were to dry
to kind of rationalize and drive them into
these the concentration camp. Is that what you're
saying? And and but now they stop that.
So that's good news. I didn't hear that.
So because, originally, the idea that was laid
out, you know, dutifully by the corporate media
as usual made that it was essentially that
people that would go would be driven into
there, and and those that chose not to
would be deemed combatants, which is just like
US policy, you know, right out of Obama's
drone program. If you're if you're where we
bomb, you're a combatant. You know? It's like
the same kind of broken logic. But so
that's that so what's the alternative? They're just
saying we're not doing that anymore, or are
they shifting to a different plan?
They abandoned that strategy, that specific strategy, but,
of course, they're always coming up with more.
So the so called Gideons chariots
operation,
I say its wheels fell off.
It was a complete failure. They did some
small incursions. So, you know, they were talking
about these big invasions of areas in Gaza,
and they couldn't even draw the force necessary
to do it. You know, they were talking
about at one point that started off 20,000
reserve forces we're going to call up, and
and then we're gonna get 60,000,
and now it's 50,000,
and now maybe a 100,000.
And they're changing the numbers every single day
in these reports coming from Israeli media.
Ultimately, they didn't draw enough forces to actually,
properly invade and take over any areas. They
did these small incursions into, like, areas in
the outer skirts of, cities or areas where
population centers were based. Mhmm. A lot of
the, you know, a lot of the people
in Gaza now are not living in the
other cities. They've been pushed into,
areas
closer to the coast, like Gaza City and
in Han Yoonas.
And there's some people in the Miwasi area
as as well and and surrounding the Han
Yoonas area.
But they don't,
they haven't had the the power
military
force on the ground to go into a
lot of these areas.
And, ultimately, you know, they did this big
show and they did bombings. And at the
time, I predicted it. I was telling people,
like, this is exactly how it's gonna go.
They'll make the announcement, and they'll do this
bombing and all of this. And they even
assassinated a journalist, a prominent,
journalist,
Sam Shabbat at the time for,
Al Jazeera,
right before they did it as well because
it was sort of like a crushing blow,
a psychological blow to the population. And now
we see a very similar thing this time.
They're talking again about,
like,
pushing the population into certain areas,
and they're talking about invading. Now they're talking
about occupation, that they approved occupation. But even
those leaks in the Israeli media,
when we're talking about the plan to occupy
Gaza,
first of all, we heard they're gonna occupy
all of Gaza, 100%
of Gaza. And then we were hearing now
they're just gonna occupy Gaza City. Of course,
these are in a million people in Gaza
City, so this is a huge thing to
do.
But in terms of being able to actually
occupy it, all of the experts
have said and their estimates range between,
two years,
at least two years to occupy Gaza City
properly Jesus. And set up an occupation there.
Some say it will take five years to
complete an occupation
of,
the population centers in the Gaza Strip and
make it into a similar model
that replicates the West Bank in some way.
And then others have come out and said,
no. This is gonna take a decade.
So
and and and not only do you need
to, you know, take that amount of time
to do something like this, Israel needs to
change its military strategy completely. It means now
it actually has to go after Hamas, which
means a massive amount of casualties.
Its public don't want the casualties
anymore.
After the war with Iran,
the twelve day, battle with Iran, the population
wanted to end the war. So now suddenly,
you're gonna have these massive casualties amongst the
Israeli military. You also need to summon all
of your reserves.
For this mission, the Israeli military, they're putting
the numbers out that they need between 200
to 250,000
soldiers to do it.
Putting that aside,
the reality is they need more like 300,000,
which is what they had in Gaza at
some point during the war. But then, you
know, your military and its totality
is around 500,000
that you can actually mobilize.
So what happens then if there's an offensive
from the North, whether that be Lebanon or
less likely Syria, but there could be something
in Syria?
What happens if something happens in the West
Bank? It's very unpredictable.
You never know what's going to happen there.
It's it doesn't look like it right now,
but Israel's always paranoid about these things. That's
why it's set up an unprecedented
amount of checkpoints in the West Bank. Maybe
with so many soldiers. It's destroyed all the
refugee camps. Maybe it has a little bit
to do with the ongoing, you know, destruction
of homes and destabilization and rape and torture
and murder, but, you know, that's just me.
Yeah. That's awesome. But but Yeah.
But this is this is the problem that
they face, though. You know? Like, they do
all of these things,
and they make these declarations about we're gonna
occupy Gaza and all of the rest of
it. But, okay, you don't have the ground
force capable of doing what you're saying you're
gonna do. Right. You're also gonna need years
to achieve what you're saying. And then you
have to think about this how this works
logistically.
The Israeli soldiers
will have to operate checkpoints
in between
bombed out buildings in different areas where you
have these mini tent cities scattered amongst bombed
out buildings all over Gaza City, right,
where snipers can pop up and,
operate from, where somebody can lay an IED
at any time. Someone can shoot an RPG,
and you'll never see it coming. So the
checkpoints could come under fire at any time,
from anyone. There's an abundance of weapons still
in Gaza.
So your soldiers are gonna be standing around
what at checkpoints to do what exactly in
a in an area which is a disaster
zone,
where you're gonna have to have,
you know, lines set up to,
to feed your army. You're going to have
to have,
you know,
you're gonna have to coordinate this. Like, you
can't just put a bunch of soldiers in
an area because they'll end up getting killed.
So you have to cover them somehow,
and then you're gonna have to deal like
they deal in the West Bank with Palestinians
every day. But the the situation is much
more volatile. In the West Bank, you know,
there's infrastructure. There's vast open areas. There's roads.
They have the advantageous positions to set up.
And if you go there, you can see
it in the way that they do it.
But here, we're talking about Ambush City.
And I just don't see them being able
to do that. The Israeli soldiers themselves don't
wanna serve anymore. They don't want to continue,
fighting in Gaza because they say it themselves.
If you listen to the interviews that they
give to the Israeli media and their families
give, they go into an area, the same
area that they were were in just a
few months ago. They clear the same building,
but except this time, there's an explosive device
in there. It blows the legs off of
two of their friends, or one guy gets
hit in the tank by an RPG or
somebody froze an IED into an armored personnel
carrier, and they've lost, you know, two or
three more friends. Right? And and and they
don't want to continue. You've got 80,000
Israeli soldiers who are being treated for injuries.
They say around twenty four or twenty six,
I can't remember, thousand of them with psychological
issues. Mhmm. Many of them don't wanna serve.
And that's why I think this is
when I I reacted to it, I think
you mentioned earlier that I I put up
a tweet analyzing this, and I said either
the first option is that this is not
about Gaza. This is about Lebanon, and this
is about mobilizing
to attack Lebanon, and it's a diversion.
Mhmm.
Or Netanyahu is just insane,
because I don't believe that they're capable of
pulling off what they're talking about. Well, Well,
you don't but you don't think that that
could be driven by
the either the necessity because they're clearly failing
in a lot of different ways and the
world's kinda pressing in on them. I mean,
even, like, the political you know, just the
understanding of Zionism, for example, that maybe just
out of out of desperation,
they might drive that hoping The US and
others step in, or maybe just because they
see I think that they know that The
US will step in and back them. Like,
you know so let me put it this
way. If they did this and The US
and Western partners stood behind them entirely, do
you not think they could still hold their
own in that situation?
I don't think it matters. It doesn't matter
what the western I mean, they've been backing
them the whole time. I mean, like, movements
on the ground style, though. You know, like,
full on military support. Because I think that's
what Israel is really driving, hoping for, like
a last resort kinda thing. Well, we heard
that earlier,
in the year when the Trump administration first
came in. I think, Trump spoke about we're
gonna own Gaza Right. Right. We're gonna make
it ours and all of that nonsense.
And and everyone I spoke to and this
was my,
initial reaction myself, but I'm not a a
military expert. So, you know, I was like,
okay. I I'm assuming this, but I have
to speak to some friends and contacts,
to make sure that I'm not just talking
a whole bunch of nonsense. But my initial
reaction was there's no plan in place to
do this. It's a logistical nightmare to do
it. You're gonna lose a lot of troops.
You're gonna have to occupy Gaza, which is
going to be extremely costly.
And on top of that, where are these,
like, some 300,000
to 500,000
soldiers? Because you need to, like, rotate.
Right? Where are these soldiers coming from? Where
how are you gonna transfer? How long is
that gonna take? How what what sort of
strategy do you need to put together for
that? And then, also, it's going to have
massive back backlash internally.
And then even if you wanna, like, this
is look. We look at the worst case
scenario that the US military comes in because
forget the British military. It's, you know, a
police force.
It's it's not capable of doing anything. They
they speak a big game, but they don't
mean anything.
You know, their intelligence services are pretty powerful,
and they have, you know,
vast reaching hands. I suppose that they they
can, reach very far. But
and we've seen that in Syria with,
their their puppets that they control there.
But in terms of US military, let's say
they put the US military into Gaza, 300,000
US soldiers in Gaza, which,
again, is is quite ridiculous. But let's say
they do it,
then what? Okay. You're gonna, what, what, expel
the population
into the Sinai. That's ultimately Israel's goal. Right?
Mhmm.
So
then what? Where where do these people go?
Well, you go well, we we might send
them to other foreign countries. So you're gonna
send 2,000,000 people or 1,800,000
people, all to foreign countries
on coordinated
flights in Egypt
Egypt, which is chaotic as it is. It's
like the most chaotic country you can imagine,
and somehow they're gonna have assembly line flights
for Palestinians to go all over the world
who don't want to leave.
I don't think Israel cares.
I don't think Israel cares at all, which
I think you probably agree with about the
about whatever they I mean, they're murdering them
in real time. So then I think Israel's
mindset, if we're just kinda walking through this
hypothetical,
would be that's somebody else's problem. Right? And
they know that The US would likely be
on the hook because they're the ones in
the face of this conversation all over the
place would have to step up and do
something about it. And however chaotic it would
be, it's no longer Israel's problem. I guess
what I'm getting at is, you know, the
obvious point is, is that not a viable
thought in a desperate move by Israel? And
maybe that like, I mean, it's and it's
really the thought of maybe, you know, why
you would do this, maybe he's crazy, but
that would seem to make sense, wouldn't it?
Like, as a last resort, like, hoping you
drive that situation into reality.
If this was the case, Israel would have
already ethnically cleansed Gaza. But they understand Yeah.
That if you do do something that's traumatic
and this
strategically stupid,
what are those people who you've expelled going
to do when they're in Egypt? Realistically, you're
not gonna get them to other countries. Right?
You could get some of them to,
Jordan, for instance. Jordan might take
if it's forced
it's absolutely forced. It could take some.
Okay? But the the majority are going to
be in Egypt. You're not going to be
able to get anyone to go anywhere else.
I mean, eve already, there's, like, a a
150,000
Palestinians that at the start of the genocide
fled into Egypt.
They haven't been able to go anywhere.
They can't go anywhere. They can't do anything.
They can't complete their studies. Egypt is stopping,
them from completing. Even one of the Palestinians,
for instance, who were in Egypt before studying.
So they were outside when the
the genocide began. They are not allowed to
get their certificates.
They're they've stopped all you know, they won't
grant them their certificates from university.
They won't allow for them to get visas
to go anywhere. People are desperate to get
visas to go to to different places, but
they can't. And that's of the 150,000
that are already
sitting there in Egypt. Is that is that
one of them want to return, by the
way, despite what's happened?
Really? Yeah. That's that speaks volumes. The question
here is, and this is also what Israel
knows,
if you expel the entirety of the population
of Gaza into the Sinai, what's going to
happen? There's gonna be an insurgency which arises
from the Sinai. It's obvious. It's very obvious
because a lot of those people, you have
people who were part, back in the day
of, the PLO who went to training camps,
and they know how to fight. As soon
as they get a weapon, they know what
they're going to do, and they've lost family
members. So you've got those people. You've got
people, obviously, that served in all of the,
armed groups.
And, again, there's about 12 different armed groups
that are operating in Gaza right now. Lot
of people have military experience, and it's not
hard as well to fight when it comes
to these light weapons. You can do something.
Lot of people do lone wolf attacks in
the West Bank all the time. They don't
necessarily have great military training. But then you've
got people with the know how, people with
the connections to places like Yemen and Lebanon
and Iran who are then sitting there in
the Sinai,
you cannot manage 2,000,000 people sitting in the
Sinai if you're the Egyptian regime. You can't
do it. Then the problem also, this is
an additional thing, but it's not the most
overwhelming thing, is the Egyptian population
and and what they'll do in that case
and what pressure that will put on them.
Egypt is on the verge of civil unrest,
and we've seen these sporadic protests, all sorts
of things like police violence and different.
The the infrastructure
of the country is collapsing.
The economy is, is on the down.
So we're looking at a situation where Egypt,
if that collapses and then you've got 2,000,000
Palestinians from Gaza heavily traumatized inside the Sinai,
It's obvious what's going to happen, except now
they have access from Egypt, and they have
access perhaps to all sorts of weapons that
could flood into them in the case that
the Egyptian regime weakens or collapses.
It goes into a state of civil war.
The weapons will flow to whatever group wants
to take them.
So
it's that is a doomsday scenario for Israel
because
now you've taken all of these,
armed groups, and there's about at least at
least 80,000 people fighters there and
and a lot more which could take up
arms as well,
in the right circumstances
who are there. What are these people going
to do? Are they all just going to
go away? Are they just not gonna exist
anymore? Are they gonna forget what happened while
they languish in the in the Egyptian Desert?
Is that what's gonna happen, or are they
gonna wanna fight? They're obviously gonna wanna fight.
And they're and now
they're not besieged,
so the weapons can reach them now. And
they can have allies, and they will get
support. And so you're doing something which is
not only is it horrendous war crime, not
only does it potentially
bring about the collapse of the Egyptian regime,
but it also destabilizes
completely your border and presents a unique security
threat, the likes of which Israel is not
prepared to deal with at all along a
vast border as well. That border is very
big.
So they know this. They understand this. And
so when they talk about sending them to
wherever,
to Congo,
or
they want to send them, in some cases,
to France or Nigeria,
Uganda, or wherever else, they're talking about this
because they know that they can't stay in
Egypt. And the reason they can't stay in
Egypt is very obvious. But, again, logistically,
to transport these people away is impossible.
It's impossible. And then even with the Egyptians,
like you say, well, it's the Egyptians,
problem now. They've got to manage it. Okay.
So the Egyptian army is going to have
to basically assembly line shoot 2,000,000 people who
are not going to go by force to
to some rambling country
with no promise of anything.
No, no funds,
no family,
no ties to it whatsoever. No. They're not
going to assembly line shoot 2,000,000 people. There
might be some war crimes committed by the
Egyptians, but they're not going to do that.
So this situation is impossible.
I I that that's why Israel has not
done it. And and they threatened to do
they want to do it,
but they don't know what to do. They
have no idea how to complete this because
they won't give Palestinians their rights.
They wanna do a ceasefire. Netanyahu knows his
government collapses if they do that, but they
don't have an answer.
And the same goes in Lebanon, a desperate
attempt to try and get the the government
and the army in Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah.
But you're disarming a force which is more
powerful, way more powerful than the Lebanese army.
The Lebanese army is 50%
Shia, which is what Hezbollah is. Hezbollah has
a 100,000 plus fighters.
Just their standing forces, a 100,000,
plus all the Palestinian militias, which would step
in, plus all of their Shia militias, which
would step in. It's it's
ludicrous the way that they're thinking because they
cannot get rid of these problems except for
accepting the rights of the people in the
region, which they won't do. Like and they
also like you said, they almost kinda can't
do. I mean, they've clearly painted themselves into
this corner, but that's almost why I keep
feeling like this is the only
possible outcome because
what else can they do? They're they're over
committed, and so too is The United States.
But what what you're saying here is important
to point out that this is what we
were saying you would know. Right back in
the beginning when the narrative started swinging around
that see not even other Arab countries wanna
take them because they're so bad. It was
just disgusting arguments. Clearly, as the point was
made in the very beginning, like, I was
saying on my show, is that there's
Egyptians, whether or not the government wants to
care for them or not, recognizes that that
becomes then their issue to deal with. And
that's obvious on the table and so would
everybody else. And so this it's just a
want to point out that gross kind of
argument to try to make it about who
Palestinians are as people. But so what do
you think then is their logical next step?
Is there even something that seems like a
lot of a plausible direction? Or is there
something that you see that they're planning? What
do you think is happening next?
I think that they will keep the conflicts
in Gaza going on. They might launch some,
you know,
sort of
burst attack or something. They might do an
escalated bombing campaign
in Gaza and announce
their occupying campaign or whatever.
They'll kill,
obviously, more people than usual in that campaign.
It will be very intimidating,
and they will then
probably do some small incursions into different areas,
I expect. But I think that their ultimate
plan is for Lebanon right now.
And they're trying to take out you know,
they wanted to try and take out the
head of the snakes, so to speak, which
is the Iran of the, Iranian led access
resistance as it's called in the region.
And they failed. They failed to inflict that
blow. I think they realized when they hit
Iran that their plan was not going to
collapse the Iranian
government in response.
They've clearly they did not succeed in the
yeah. Go ahead. It was if they they
led themselves to a stalemate, and, ultimately, they
were it was demonstrated that Iran can batter
them if it wants to.
And and Israel, yes, has nuclear weapons, but
Iran has the capacity to devastate them as
well. And and that was demonstrated.
But now I think what they're trying to
do is this regional push,
they want to create this new corridor,
which,
jeopardizes
Iranian Russia trade and Iran's links to the
caucuses,
through Azerbaijan
and Armenia. The US is pushing for this
hard, but what they're also trying to do
is they're trying to push disarmament
of, the Hashd al Shabi,
or the PMU, the Popular Mobilization,
units in Iraq, which there's around 238,000
soldiers. They're the biggest
militant force in the region.
They want to try and,
disarm them,
through the Iraqi government, and they're doing the
same in Lebanon with the Lebanese government. Obviously,
the Lebanese regime is much more controlled
by The United States.
Joseph Aoun, who's the president,
who was the ex head of the military,
he was sort of The US' pick. And
then you have Nawaz Salam, who is the
prime minister of Lebanon, who is just completely
on The US payroll at this point. I
I don't think there's any disputing that he
he works for US,
interests in Lebanon, doesn't care about his country
at all. He doesn't have any regard for
his own people, and he's willing to take
his country to civil war if that means
pleasing the Americans and Israelis.
And they're pushing for disarmament.
Obviously, that's not going to work. The strategy
is sort of, you know,
throw,
feces at the wall and hopes that hope
that it sticks,
strategy.
You can't disarm these groups, but then the
problem is as well,
they're putting this pressure on Iran right now,
and Iran is rising to the occasion of
of the pressure.
And I don't think they fully
fought through the consequences
because
if they do force the Lebanese
government to try and take the arms by
force of Hezbollah,
Lebanese army is gonna split in half. There's
no groups inside Lebanon which can, contest Hezbollah.
Hezbollah, if it wanted to, and it could
have done this a long time ago, can
take over all of Lebanon. Right.
It's very simple for it to do that.
It will mean bloodshed, of course. It's not
a favorable scenario,
but it can do it.
And so
they they don't have an option of actually
disarming Hezbollah through force.
Ultimately, if they're going to keep pushing, Hezbollah
is going to be in another open conflict
with Israel. There's going to be a large
scale conflict with Israel. Israel has mobilized,
according to sources I have and, take these
numbers with a pinch of salt. They're saying
between 30 to 45,000
Israeli soldiers are in the Jolan area right
now.
That could be as a defensive force. I
don't know,
but that's a considerable
amount of soldiers to have placed in that
area. If Israel wants to attack Lebanon, it
will likely go through Syrian territory into the.
And it knows that the Syrian regime is
on its payroll. Well, not Right. Typically paid
by them. But My audience knows what you
mean. Yeah. I mean But they're not going
to oppose them. Right?
So do you think that's why that's at
least one of the logical reasons why we
saw that come in Syria?
Yeah. I think that, the Israelis had prepared
a plot to hatch inside Syria in the
event that the Sharjah assets government fell.
I think that the operation,
according to all the information I have and
and the sources that I speak to,
and used to have as well that were
in,
Damascus,
it appears like the operation that was launched
from Idlib
by Hayat al Tahrir Hashem, which is,
now the governing force
of the Abdul Sharra or Abu Mohammed al
Joleani Mhmm. That they wanted to take Aleppo
City, and that was where they were setting
up. And there's a number of signs as
to why what they were going to do
there. But then they saw that the whole
entire regime basically collapsed.
So they just
made the order to go to Damascus, and
they took over the whole country. Israel immediately
triggered,
a plan that it had in place for
a long time to bomb all of this
the targets that they had, for the Syrian
army,
inside of Syria, and they took out everything
they possibly could. And then they moved inside
of Syria.
Their plan has been since 2013
when they started backing militant groups, including Jelani's,
Musra,
which became the HTS afterwards, which is now,
you know, it's had a makeover.
He puts on a suit instead of, you
know, wearing his military fatigues.
So, like, they have this plan since 2013
to expand the buffer zone and to work
with the Druze militias in the south of
the country to sort of carve out a
Druze rump state. That was one of the
plans that they had.
But I I think that things went very
quickly for them,
And what they had planned was a war
that was going to be between the Syrian
Arab army and then the opposition, which were
going to be based in Aleppo. And then
this would have been a massive drain on
the resources of Iran and its allies.
That didn't happen.
But, of course, when the Syrian government fell,
it stopped a certain supply route system that
was going into Lebanon,
to supply Hezbollah.
Now Hezbollah is still getting arms because the
Syrian government doesn't really control the country. That's
just the reality of it. There's a million
obviously, this hyperbole. There's a million different militant
groups and tribal militias and, you know, just
local forces that command their own areas that
don't trust the regime in Syria,
and they don't trust these, you know, foreign
salafists
that are trying to patrol their streets.
So everyone has weapons, and they control their
own portions of territory in Syria. No one
wants the Syrian
so called authorities, which expanded the Syrian Arab
army, which expanded the intelligence
forces,
and then just flooded that with untrained people
who are a bunch of, you know, militants
who probably most of them started, let's be
honest, as child soldiers,
and are a lot of them from foreign
countries. Like, one of the most loyal groups
to Jelani, the president of Syria today,
are the Uighur fighters from China.
So
the situation in Syria is so chaotic.
Israel wants to weaponize, you know, the minority
communities, and it doesn't care that they get
massacred
in,
in the midst of this.
Whatever
serves their agenda and their plan,
they don't care what happens to the Kurds,
what happens to the Alawites, the Christians, the
Druze,
any other group. They couldn't be a damn.
This seems to be the common historical, you
know, precedent here. The The US and Israel
and plenty of other western actors continue to
fund, like, the most radical elements simply because
they're more easily pliable to their agendas, and
they don't care about the consequences. They don't
care about the issue that that causes for
the average people that live in these countries,
and that's everywhere you look. I mean, that's
I mean, even even expanding the ISIS and
Al Qaeda itself, like, the reality of the
funding and the and the influence. It's just
insane to see how obvious that is. But
so so we're talking about
what so the the plan of
the concentration camp part of it, you said,
was no longer there, but they are still
about to
actually step in and occupy
beyond the, you know, virtual border occupation, the
actual ground. Is that still what you think
is happening, that they're about to go that
far, at least in God's City? They're talking
about implementing that. But, again, like,
in reality, they're talking about occupying we're gonna
occupy this and that and the other. They
occupy about 80% of Gaza at the very
least already. They're there. You know? So what's
the next step then? What do you think
they're doing inside of Gaza? I think they'll
do some different incursions. They'll be doing incursions.
They'll say this is a long strategy, and
it's gonna take a long time. And then
after,
you know, a portion of time, they'll say,
oh, it's very costly. We achieved a lot
of objectives, and they'll go on to their
next plan, which just prolongs the fighting more
and more and more. So so it's so
really nothing new. So it so in that
mindset then, it just seems like the I
get, like well, you painted a good picture
there. That it seems like they don't know
what to do next, and so they're extending
out the timeline. And so, ultimately,
maybe hope they can just starve them all
to death. You know, it's just such a
sick reality they're in. And so so let
me ask you a question about this, about
the
you mentioned the areas, little like tent cities
that they're all living in. Pretty much that's
that's everybody. Right? Pretty much everybody aside for
a few certain locations are existing in these.
Right? So can you explain people out there
who haven't gotten the insight and what is
the life like for these people here? And
what does that look like? Because this is
what we're see this is the extension of
this. How can they survive that much longer
in all this? Can you explain what it's
like and what you what you know about
these locations?
Well, it gets better and worse at different,
periods depending upon where the people are living,
and I can't speak on, obviously, their behalf,
but, you know, you don't have clean water.
That's one thing. You have to go and
and walk and seek clean water. Most people
are not going to get fully clean water.
They're still drinking contaminated water even though they
get water that's deemed drinkable.
It's still contaminated. And a long time, it
had been 97%
of the, drinking the water supply in Gaza
had for long been contaminated.
So there was not on on a vast
scale, most Gazans were not drinking clean water
before October 7,
which is something that's often forgotten. But now
we're talking about people who are living in
tents. So we've had the mass spread of
different diseases and infections,
that has occurred inside the Gaza Strip.
So they
you can imagine
people are getting all sorts of different skin,
rashes and diseases,
people suffering from diarrhea, people suffering from different
infections.
Pretty much everyone has got sick,
from some sort of infection or disease at
some point.
Sanitary,
supplies and equipment, especially for women, you can
imagine,
you know, even being able to properly wash
your hands,
and stay clean.
You know, hygiene is very difficult in Gaza.
The amount of food that you have access
to is,
basically nothing. We're talking about people that every
single morning had to get up, and their
first thought in their head is, like, okay.
Okay. How do I get a meal for
today? That is the thought for a lot
of people in Gaza, a lot of people
that I've interviewed.
Again, I I just interviewed a woman in
Gaza last week who said that they starved
for five days because there was a lack
of
food that was available at the market. They
have some money. They have a fundraiser that
they've been bringing in. Another thing is with
these fundraisers,
the banks, when the money is coming out,
take a massive commission
off of, off of it as well, and
they say that this is to do with,
you know, the circulation of currency, but they
take a massive commission out of whatever is
getting in. So the people with whatever money
they have, if they have access to the
funds, then go and try and purchase. Her
family,
they left it too late, and then there
was just no food for five days, and
they couldn't eat for five days.
And and this is a common experience in
Gaza that when the food comes, you know,
dries out, there's not much there. You had
to eat all sorts of things. I recently
made, a documentary. It took a little while
to come out, Abu Bakr Ravid, who it's,
about. He's a journalist in Gaza.
He he left earlier in the year. He
was evacuated because of health issues, and he
had the opportunity to leave, so he did.
But in that documentary, he spokes,
spoke about how his family had to eat
pet food, cans of pet food,
at one point.
So, you know, the food goes up and
up and down. This was before the eighty
days of no food coming into Gaza at
all. This was before that that people were
eating literally food, like dog food,
that they were putting, you know, just to
survive, to have some calories.
So it depends upon whether you have money
to buy from the markets. It depends upon
whether the markets near you actually have food
and you have access to that. It depends
upon whether you can get to the eight
points. Again, if you're gonna go to the
eight points, you know, you you can be
gunned down. Everyone knows that. You will there's
a good chance that you'll die if you
go to the eight points to get flower,
for instance, for your family. The aid drops.
You know, you wanna go to a point
where the aid drops are coming. These,
it's extremely dangerous. You know? I think it's,
I heard that, like, seven of these aid
drops
equals
equals one truck of aid. So it's just
complete it's a performance based Right. Endeavor for
these countries doing it. And they'll drop on
tents and kill children, or they'll drop on
people waiting there for aid and kill them.
You know? Like, you're talking about,
a situation where sewage runs through the streets.
No proper sanitary,
goods are coming in. Medical supplies
are nonexistent in many areas. If they are
existent,
they're in very, very short supply.
So if you get injured, even if you
say you're walking along and, there's rubble from
a building and you cut your leg Mhmm.
Okay. Like, you you there's there's gonna be
no anesthetic. There is nothing to treat your
wounds properly. You could get an infection. You
could die from that. Mhmm. You know? So
the situation there is
like post apocalyptic
sci fi movie,
you know,
a a situation that you could sort of
compare it to.
And it's
unimaginable what the people go there for every
single day, let alone when there's no food
at all and they have to starve, but
you could imagine the pressures on the people
there.
And despite all of this despite all of
this, they have not turned
on their resistance.
They the vast majority of them, when they're
polled, say that they do not wanna leave.
They do not wanna leave. There is a
portion of them that do, but the vast
majority say, no. We wanna stay here.
And we're talking about the Israelis are going,
well, we're gonna do this and do that
with them. They're not just pawns that you
can move. Right. Even when they're struggling, they're
suffering, they lost so much, they still stay
steadfast, and they still want to remain there
on their land. And we saw that
When the ceasefire happened earlier this year, the
people returned to the North. They went. That's
why there's a million people there in Gaza
City. Because they returned, they're going, I'll live
next to my bombed out home. I don't
care.
I'll I'll even not have, as much food.
I wanna live here. I wanna stay here.
The resilience is is in
is astounding. It's interesting. It's inspiring. You know?
The idea that it's just that peep people
can learn from from
what, you know, what it means to truly
fight for something. You know? It's just it's
so just it's even words to describe what's
happening. It's insane and how obvious it is,
and it keeps continuing. You know, I the
one of the things the green the,
the Green Beret whistleblower who has been on
Tucker, you know, we've talked about all this.
One thing he pointed out that I didn't
know well, I mean, I think I did,
but I didn't put it together is that
not only, as you pointed out, do they
even before, 97%
on, you know,
unclean water, now it's exponentially worse. But the
point is that everything they're giving them, which
I do not I doubt for a second
is absolutely by design, it requires water to
make. Right? And so you're put you're you're
you're giving them things that you know they
can't even consume in most cases, but if
they do, it's by biting through you know?
I mean, it's just it's so grotesque that
not just are they putting them through this,
but they're torturing them every moment they can.
And then not only that, they post videos
and laugh about it. You know? And then
we're stuck here trying to be objective and,
you know, which is what are which we
should be. It matters to be accurate about
this, not fall into one of the problems
I see everywhere in politics today, even just
from thing something I was talking about this
morning, is that people have this mindset that
somehow it's okay to do the wrong thing
because they did it first. And instead of
childish, broken mentality in the world, but it's
driving a lot of the things we see
today. But, you know, I just
let let's end. What what there's so many
people out there that want to do something.
And even myself, I'm very hesitant about the
I see things circulating that, you know, donate
here. So I I don't know what that
is and where that goes. You know? It's
is there somewhere you can direct people who
wanna help that that that you know is
accurate and, you know, or just actions they
can take? What what do you suggest somebody
out there do does right now that
wants to help but doesn't know how? Well,
in terms of helping, there are people that,
you can confirm that their campaigns are genuine.
You can speak to them. You can ask
them for confirmation that their campaigns are genuine
and,
you know, and there's means of donating that
way. But even, you know, some of that
money, it takes time to get to people,
and and it's difficult. But I would not
discourage people. If if you can find people,
you know their campaign is genuine. Yes. Occasionally,
I I have people contact me in Gaza.
I verify with their IDs and everything to
make sure it's all genuine that it's coming
for and I'll share it on my Twitter.
Yeah. And and there's many, many other people.
It's not just people who don't just trust
people coming for me. Go and trust those
people yourself. Communicate to them. They'll be happy
to speak to you. There's many people in
Gaza running these campaigns.
So there are ways to donate to individuals,
of course.
There's things to,
you know, watch out for. Obviously, people are
trying to capitalize. There's eight organizations
that even you know, and all of it's
getting to Gaza. It might go to other
zones or whatever. I'm not gonna discourage people
or tell anyone what to do with their
money.
Evidently, it's very difficult to help people there.
If you can find a secure way of
doing it,
absolutely go for it.
But I I'm not going to try and
tell people where to put their money,
just because I I I I don't want
anyone to go and get tricked by any,
anything,
or You're pretty wise with what's going on,
let's say, in The UK, for example. Regardless
of how legitimately these are people suffering, you
might get framed as a terrorist, which is
absolutely disgusting. But aside from the financial part
of it, you know, what what do you
suggest somebody do out there that that wants
to help?
Obviously, that you can boycott is really good.
I I mean, that's Yeah. The number one
thing that you can do over here. You
can pressure your government.
You you know, you can take these sort
of, symbolic actions. I mean, look at what,
the action that,
let's say, Palestine action Paris is now doing
in France and and stuff like that. Palestine
action in The UK was prescribed a terrorist
organization.
But Palestine action France is is real and
it's doing things. They're trying to shut down
weapons factories. They're trying to stop the flow
of weapons. We see people, port workers. Right?
Unions,
they come together and they say, no. We
refuse. That's happened in Morocco. That's happened in
Spain. That's happened in,
Italy, I believe, in Greece.
So you can physically if you're working in
the docks and you know a ship is
coming in with with, missiles and it's gonna
dock there, refuse. You know? Refuse because that
that's the the only way that you can
help is you can stop those weapons from
going with your own ads,
you know, and take these actions and and,
launch strikes and and do what the,
port workers in Morocco,
did. Of course, the regime might still, you
know, fly those weapons over, but at least
then you're taking a step. Right. But, you
know, look. We're very, very limited in what
we can do because the governments don't listen
to us. Yeah.
But, you know, it does make an impact.
And, you know, when you see these active
acts of solidarity,
you see people,
you know, struggling and putting it all on
the line.
We saw what was happening in the universities
with the encampments. We saw what was happening
with, you know, unions. We saw what's happening
with,
the the activist work of trying to shut
down weapons factories. These things do mean something.
They are meaningful. They do
represent a shift. And, ultimately, as well, when
it comes to electing your officials, don't elect
anyone that supports Israel. Right. You're supporting a
genocidal,
regime, and,
they they have nothing to do. They're not
working in the interest of the American people,
the British people, or anybody else. They're working
in their own,
interests,
lining their pockets.
And, hopefully, when they finish their careers, in
their minds, hopefully,
in their careers,
as politicians, they'll end up being put on
the board of some weapons company. That's what
they're doing, and that's who they're acting on
behalf. They're acting upon the behalf of
big corporations,
and they're fueling a genocidal,
maniac regime of psychopaths and lunatics.
So, you know, vote for the opposite candidate
of whoever's advocating for Israel.
That's that's where you you put your money
where your mouth is.
And this issue crosses party lines. You know?
When it comes to a genocide, it it
may be somebody you don't agree with on
majority of the issues,
but that person is there, and that person
is standing up to genocide. So that's the
person you know to go against the person
who's pro genocide. Right.
So those are obviously steps that we can
take here,
in the West and, also organize into groups
and get together in person with people locally,
you know, try and educate
around workshops. You know? It's always good to
have that in person contact. Mhmm. It, you
know, it it might not feel like you're
doing anything, but you can share an enormous
amount of
knowledge. There will be people in the local
community or perhaps Palestinians. They know a lot
more, and they can educate.
So there's a lot you can do in
terms of locally. And then if you build
up that power as a local group, you
can
exert some pressure, and these small little moves
do actually mean something.
But, obviously, you know, the real battle is
on the ground.
The real warriors are going to be the
people in Gaza or the people in Lebanon
if Israel invades again. You know,
the the battle is on the ground, but
all that the pop population can do, it
does pressure governments. For instance, even though it's
symbolic,
The UK,
France,
and, Australia recently all said they're going to
recognize Palestine, and that is because their populations
are on their backs. Right. That's because they're
being pressured. The media changes its tune slightly,
and starts reporting more factually.
It's disgusting that it took the pressure to
do it, but it's because of the public
pressure. It's because the people are demanding it.
And, ultimately,
yes, that doesn't work immediately.
But over time, these are changes which happen
and and change the entire system. They change
discourse, what's acceptable discourse, what can get somebody
elected. And then if your elected officials are
all going to be pro Palestinian at least
in the future, then you know that they're
going to make the right decisions or they're
gonna be closer to the right decisions and
closer to moral positions,
than those in the past,
even if you can't fully trust everything about
those people.
Yeah. And oh, go ahead. No. No. No.
I think that's the this finishes up my
point. I'll just I'll just add to it.
Something I've said,
in general, what very much applies here as
well. But, it's
right now, it's obvious to me that and
you can just take, let's say, APAC to
make it less conspiratorial for some people that
wanna deny the most obvious thing in the
world right now, is that the lobbying influence,
right, it's clear that in many minds of
or I suppose to say most politicians in
the in the West. It's not even it's
public. They recognize a benefit they gain from
leaning into that. And you don't even half
of them probably don't even care about the
real politics or the real agenda. They just
recognize I can gain power by saying these
things. The point is that's called opportunism. Right?
They'll do what they need to do to
get the opportunity. So as a people and
this is a good example of The UK.
Right? They don't they don't believe the they
don't care about they've been fighting that tooth
and nail. The reason they did it is
because their population is demanding it and they
recognize there's more benefit to me. There's more
opportunity to going with what they're saying than
the negative I'll get by saying it from
Israel.
Right? Give them that benefit. Even if you
hate them, even if you know that they're
dishonest, don't trust everything they say going forward.
Question the next thing they do. But when
they say the right thing and also doubt
their intention for saying it. But when they
say the right thing, raise it up. Right?
I see Marjorie Taylor Greene coming out and
calling out Israel. I'm I don't personally don't
think her intentions are true, but I said,
good. She's saying the right thing. That's correct.
And I think the reason she's doing it
is because she's smart enough to see, one
of the rare times I'll give her that,
the smart to see to see that people
in her,
you know, in the Republican conservative side
are not okay with what's going on by
and large and want someone to stand up
and say that's wrong. And when she did,
she got a waterfall support for it. So,
you know, you see other politicians, other smaller
ones going, okay. Maybe Israel's gonna attack me,
but maybe I can rise up in the
ranks in the political field. Right? They're all
out there for their own benefit. So play
the game back. Question everything they do. Right?
Don't follow them you know, hold their feet
to the fire always, but raise up what's
honest and what's true. Right? As Robert's saying,
this momentum is already there. It will continue
if we can finally do that, but we'll
fight against the team's core politics. But I
think we're winning the day right now. So
thank thank you for being here and and
continuing to inform everybody about what's actually going
on. Anything else you wanna leave us with
before we you know, final thoughts or upcoming
events or anything you wanna shout out?
I'd just like to make mention of, Anas
Sharif who was, murdered yesterday,
an LJ zero journalist who was perhaps the
most prominent
Palestinian journalist,
reporting in the Arabic language.
So I'd like to make mention of him.
The Israelis, of course,
made up a litany of lies about him
in order to try and justify his murder.
But, ultimately,
he was a courageous journalist, and, he provided
us all,
valuable insight from on the ground in Gaza.
And he will go down as one of
the legends,
of journalism.
He's one of the bravest journalists and best
journalists, the hard work most hardworking that we've
ever seen. He never stopped for twenty two
months of genocide, and he was offered to
leave Gaza
towards the end. And he said no, that
he'd rather stay with his people. And now
both of his children will grow up without
a father.
His wife will go, obviously, without
her husband.
His his family will grieve and suffer, but
the work that he did was so incredibly
valuable,
so incredibly important. And the nonsense Israeli propaganda
for their war crime,
it's every single time. Everything they do, they
never take accountability. They've always got a stupid
excuse, which, again,
shows how much they're violating international law when
they're posting stupid photos. Oh, well, he took
a photo with
Ismael Haniyah or Yahya Sinwar or something. You
know? That doesn't make someone a legitimate target
to blow them up with a missile along
with their entire media crew because you accuse
them of taking photos
or favoring a group that is a violation
of international law. That's a war crime.
And,
yeah, the the work that he did,
will remain immortal,
what he did. So I think, it's it's
worth mentioning him,
and what he contributed.
You know, these are the real journalists. There's
around 240, almost 240
murdered in Gaza. These are the best journalists
on the planet.
These are the
the the voices that
brought to us
the voice of the Palestinian people during a
genocide,
and they knew what they were sacrificing,
by continuing to report, but they did so
bravely and valiantly,
and they never gave up. So,
these people need to be commemorated,
and these people need to be their life
needs to be celebrated. And then also, they
need to inspire others to do better.
And and, of course, if you're a journalist
that you're watching this,
you're not a journalist unless you stand with
the journalists of Gaza. You don't get to
have that title. You don't get to share
that title.
You're a propagandist and a stenographer.
Like, it's all you are. So Yeah. That's
what I'd like to say about that. Couldn't
agree more. And for the podcast, what I
was showing on screen is the reality that
what what Robert was referencing is the continual
I mean, almost
continually more ridiculous day by day, more flimsy,
more pathetic is a fake Telegram in you
know, a picture of a fake Telegram. They
don't even understand. Like, they could have taken
half a second to look at what Telegram
actually looks like. You know, they they it's
just embarrassing. And this is all to rationalize
for the minds of people that would have
already agreed with them in the first place.
Most people out there are very aware of
the genocide going on, and it's like this
game to I I don't even know how
to frame it, but they're lying about this
to execute people. And I I agree with
you, Robert. I think that these people are
heroes to be out there knowing. I mean,
think about what that takes. To go out
there every day knowing that they're not just
you could die like any other journalist in
the middle of a war, but they're aiming
for you, that they're trying and they'll they'll
kill your family. You know? It's this is
the yeah. I think the way you said
it is exactly right. So thank you for
for making sure that people understand that and
and for fighting for this, man. So thank
you. And everybody out there, as always, question
everything.
Come to your own conclusions.
Stay vigilant.