Free Epstein
left some lingering mysteries.
One of the biggest ones is
whether he ever worked for
a American or foreign intelligence agency.
The former labor secretary who was,
Miami US attorney,
Alex Costa. He allegedly said that he did
work for intelligence agency. So could you resolve
whether or not he did? And also, could
you say why there was a minute missing
from the jailhouse tape on the night of
the day? Yeah. Sure. If I could Could
I just interrupt a little while again?
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
This guy's been talked about for years. You're
asking we have Texas. We have this. We
have all of the things that
and are people still talking about this guy,
this creep?
That
is unbelievable.
Do you wanna
Welcome to the last American Vagabond. I'm excited
to have James Lee back on today to
discuss what he's seeing going on in the
world. He's doing a great job of breaking
down, you know, the the insights and what
he sees in the different political chaos today.
He did it with last interview, we discussed
or we we discussed his really great short,
mini documentary around the ADL. Really still recommend
you check this out because it is just
a, you know, a perfect short caps encapsulation
of what that entity really is and what
it's tied to. Today, we're gonna discuss kinda
what he's seeing around as, obviously, Epstein conversation,
the Trump administration, Israel infiltration,
and just whatever else is going on in
his mind. So, James, it's a pleasure to
have you back on the show, my friend.
How are you? I'm doing good, Ryan. Thanks
for having me. Thanks for having me on.
Yeah. My pleasure, brother. Today.
Yeah. As always. As always. Well and and,
again, that that the that ADL documentary, you
know, it really clearly, at at a right
moment for people to see, there's a shifting
conversation around Israel, Zionism,
and it's just it's what's interesting about that
topic, as I'm sure you keep finding out
and you saw with that investigation,
is this stuff is very surface level. It's
not it's not like it's really been hidden
that well. It's just that it's there and
people are afraid to talk about it, and
I think this whole, you know, thing is
unraveling in front of us. It's a it's
an interesting and alarming kinda time at the
same moment. You know? But before we get
into some of the things that I wanted
to get into that I think are relevant,
that I want your take on, work that
you've done, you know, something I've been asking
people I have on lately just because there's
so much swirling around day you know, thirty
twenty four hours later, our entire perspective can
change, right, with the way it's going today.
So right now, what what jumps to your
mind? What's an investigation you might be involved
in right now? What's kind of the
forefront on what you're looking at today?
Wow. I mean, that's a loaded question because
I am looking into a lot of things.
I think,
obviously, per your intro, like, Epstein comes to
mind for a lot of people. Right? It's
it's now that they're telling us, hey. This
guy basically didn't even exist. You know? Why
are we still talking about this guy?
It only piques
a lot of people's, including my curiosity about,
okay. We've uncovered a lot about him. What
else is out there? Let's dig everything up.
What what could be related? Let's link some
dots. Recently, I've been looking into his ties
to Peter Thiel. And one of the reasons
why I'm looking into that is
Peter Thiel has his hands all over
government and the private sector. He's one of
the most powerful and well connected people
probably
in all of America.
And
he you know, to me, the the stuff
that I'm looking at is, like, there's a
lot of parallels, a lot of similarities. I'm
not saying they're exactly the same. I'm not
making insinuations that Peter Thiel is is trafficking
young children or anything like that, but there's
certainly a lot of similarities in terms of
their, like, personal
proclivities
around
sex and doing that that kind of thing
and having fun in that world, but also
being tied into various intelligence,
tied into business, high level people,
and, having connections in high levels of government
to say, hey. Is this guy potentially
Epstein two point o? Mhmm. That's a really
interesting thought. I actually hadn't even considered that.
Like, something that I've thrown around in the
past that I don't ever think has been
necessarily, like, definitively proven, but is there's a
lot to add to it is the thought
of whether Charlie Manson might have been a
representation of, like, an Epstein of his time.
Like, there's all the different interconnected points of,
you know, this little harem he had, you
know, the connection to the to the Hollywood
scene and, you know, obvious connections to intelligence.
Very interesting thought. So to that forward point
to today, is that another representation? That's a
really interesting thought. I'm interested to see where
you're going with that in in the work.
So, you know, any any other thoughts to
kind of add to that in regard to
is it just like before we even answer,
what's interesting is the the technology,
eugenics,
transhumanism,
technology kind of elements of Teal are very
present in Epstein, which I'm sure you're aware
of, but don't get a lot of attention.
So is that the only real thing, or
are there any more to that side of
you know, what what do you think makes
that case right now? I don't unless you
don't wanna get into it because you're building
No. No. No. No. Let's get into it.
No. I think there's a couple of things
there. Right? The one is
the the point that you mentioned, which is
a lot of people focus a lot on
Epstein's
trafficking of young girls on the sexual side
of things, the massages and all those things.
But to your point, there is a huge
academic
project that Epstein is tied to with this
kind of transhumanist thing. I think him and
Peele were very simpatico in in that vision.
And there were there I mean, if you
look it up, there is accounts of people
not just talking about how they were sexually
abused during their time on Epstein Island, but
they were talking about being experimented on. And
one of the people I don't know if
you've come across her her testimony. Right?
Juliet,
Juliet Bryant, are you familiar with,
with
her testimony
on on I haven't I haven't spoken to
her, but, yes. Go ahead. Yeah. So she's
talking about being experimented on in terms of
Epstein Island, getting all kinds of science stuff,
waking up in the middle of the night
in a laboratory,
and doctors and and people, like, poking and
prodding her. And you have to understand the
thing about Peter Thiel is that he is
out there in terms of, there's a lot
of reporting done that how he, like, injects
young children's,
not children, but 18 blood and and he
does these, like, $40,000
operations, procedures every quarter.
So there's that linkage. It's like, hey. What's
going on here? And then I think the
thing that you just pulled up is like,
hey. There is, like, some massive investments that
we don't even know what they're for as
far as, like, teal
and and Epstein back in I think it
was around 2014. Right?
Epstein investing $40,000,000
in one of these teal funds that we
don't really understand
what it's for. Is it what kind of
projects are behind it? What are they investing
in? So that's kind of the tie. And
and you have to understand, teal all teal
also is is connected as in beyond just
the first
you know, after he became a a criminal
sex trafficker,
then he came into the picture. So it's
like, okay. You're associating with this guy after
that, so then there must be something
there's something going on. I think there's a
clip from Rogue
that exists where peels, Peter Thiel talks about
how how he met,
Jeffrey Epstein. And it was just like, well,
he was introduced to me as a really
good tax guy
and started he's really smart.
And the whole exchange was just really weird.
Like, okay. So
maybe he's good at taxes, but he's also
a sex trafficker and, plus, he's investing $40,000,000,
which he neglected to say in that interview
that Right. Came out later. Peter's a bad
liar. He's very transparent when you I'm serious.
When you we've seen the clips of him,
like, trying to parse through, like, he even
just, like, what about Israel? And he's, like,
shuts down. You know, it's clear that he
has these things. He he I don't know
why he puts himself out there like that,
but my thought is that was clearly a
moment where he was, you know, aware of
what was going on. And to your point,
he was aware then. The timing is clear.
He's aware. There's plenty of people out there
that have you know, even that I forget
her name now, was on stage
after this became, like, the everybody knows point.
Was like, we all knew he was doing
this. I forget her name. And everyone's like,
what did you just say? You all knew
you know? But they that's kind of the
sentiment. It's like everyone was afraid to say
anything. But I think the point is that
Thiel was not just aware and not saying
anything, but he was immersed in overlap with
that. Now that doesn't have to mean, unless
you're you know, maybe you know more of
your investigation that he's involved with those things.
But, obviously, it's a valid thing to consider
at the very least that you're not concerned
with those kind of proclivities, and that that
says a lot to me. Oh, and what
we're thinking of This is blood. The point
is this stuff is continuing today. We we
kinda think we're framing the Epstein issue, and
Trump is as a thing of the past.
Right? Oh, look at this creep. Like, we
don't need to talk about him anymore. It's
basically done deal. Like, we've eliminated this guy.
But these kinds of things are still going
on without Right. You know, a lot of
scrutiny over, like, hey. Is
what's going on with these experiments? Are are
people being trafficked against their will? Not in
maybe for a sexual reason, but for more
of, like,
science experiments. Is that still happening? Because there's
a lot of records showing that it was
once happening, and he's investing in all different
kinds of these companies
that do all sorts of things
that you know, there's just not a lot
of oversight. And, also, he's really powerful. He's
tied into basically every single major office in
Trump's cabinet
and also to all these different tech companies.
He's got his hand,
all over it.
You know, and my worry is, you know,
The US, I think it gives a lot
in regard to being immersed with this administration,
this government. But I think I'm more worried
about what they do outside
without like, even less oversight in their Prospera
Freedom City in Honduras. You know, like, things
like that where it's like, I don't think
there's any like, it's a lawless reality as
far as I'm concerned. And so I worry
there's a lot more of that going on
in the world. But you're right. Yeah. Go
ahead. Go ahead. He's he yeah. He has
a bunch of these, like, islands that he's
developing everywhere.
And
based on I mean, there's no
don't really know what's going on there. Are
there people there? Are there not people there?
There's just not a lot of public information
about that unless you're tied in and you
get a chance to go there. So we
don't even know if there's humans there. Are
there people living on these islands?
Are they for what he says? I mean,
this kind of, like, utopia kind of thing
or, like, what the hell is going on
here? Yeah. It's a worrisome thing. I mean,
that goes into the like, I'm more worried
about this kind of technocratic
transition that we're witnessing. I mean, we I'm
sure you saw the attachment two zero one
bringing in literal yeah. I think it was
OpenAI, Palantir, and Meta, albeit their CTOs became
part of the military. Like, actual lieutenant colonels.
I just talked to Brad Miller, the you
know, the one he resigned in protest, the
COVID shot from a hundred and first airborne,
and and just, you know, he was just
ripping that apart and how alarming it is.
You know, I think there's a lot of
that happening. I'm worried about these as you
know, there's a couple names for them. Trump
floated the Freedom Cities point, which a lot
of people pointed out was just 15 cities
with another name, you know, but but that
there's that Prospera aspect or even in even
in El Salvador in a way. Like, the
way that they're because, you know, he's a
proud Zionist. He's he's called a technocrat, you
know, Bukele and what they're overlap with. I
think there's got a lot of these trial
balloons. And I think what we're we're we're
we're seeing is sort of like this slow
transition into what they want to be this
kind of technocratic hellscape as I would describe
it. You know? But that's a whole another
aspect of this unless you wanna get into
that. The the eugenics and experimentation. I mean,
this was going on for such a long
time, and we know this going back, you
know, before I mean, even, like, World War
two, for example. My point is after World
War two, the US government, like, absorbed all
of the worst parts of what they claim
we were trying to fight, whether it was
doctor Ishii in Japan with their biological experiments
or the Nazis will I mean, it's just
it's so this stuff has continued. Now I'm
of the mind that this stuff is not
happening. You know, it's it's more about something,
like, during warfare, for example. Like, in Syria,
there was many reports of just,
you know, trafficking, organ sales, like, things going
on. I think the same thing happens in
Gaza. So that's where I worry about with
these things going on under the guise of,
you know, war and other things that we
don't see. You know? Any thoughts on that?
Yeah. I mean, there are literal reports of,
like, hey. Are they experimenting on people
in Gaza? Like, there's literal reports of that
happening right now. And it I mean, I
don't wanna say it out loud here, but
there's some stark parallels here of what happened,
you know, between 1938,
'39, and and 1945.
So do we care about that? And I
think that's where
you know, for a person like myself, you
know, I I think I'm sort of known
for this, like, deep research stuff. But for
me, it's like I'm coming at from from
a normie American perspective to say, okay. Where
you know, my interest in this is, like,
where are we spending all our resources as
a nation? Right? You can see
you're walking around. You're wherever you live, and
you see things are becoming more and more
dilapidated. Things just seem to have gotten worse
in the last decade,
maybe even longer than that. And you're wondering,
okay. So what's our government prioritizing? It seems
to be, oh, we're prioritizing
war in Israel,
Ukraine,
and we're investing
and getting tied into all these, like, tech
oligarchs. It seems like we're doing a surveillance
state. We're creating the conditions
of, I would say, revolution. So it's, like,
almost creating a need just to to
manufacture this consent to say, oh, no. We
need all of these agents on the ground
because, look, people are doing bad things everywhere.
And to me, I'm like, well, they're doing
bad things because you've kinda pushed a lot
of people
to its
end, and what else are they gonna do?
And so it's kind of like this perfect
storm,
whether it be on purpose or not on
purpose. Right? That's the conspiracy whether this is
being done maliciously, but the end result is
pretty much the same that, hey. We're gonna
get this surveillance state whether we like it
or not. And it seems to be that
all the people in power, the powers that
be are somewhat aligned in that vision.
Mhmm. We saw that during COVID as you
pointed out yourself, you know, kind of the
lockstep of supposed adversaries, which I do think
in many ways are adversarial. But when it
comes to control over our lives, they're all
happy to take what they can get in
my opinion. You know? But, yeah, I I
think that this is clearly going you know,
sprinting in the direction of whatever you wanna
call it, whatever you see it to be.
I think we all notice it right now.
But the point the way I would frame
it, whatever you think is happening, that our
government is doing things at the expense of
Americans for their benefit, for their agenda. I
mean, this is the the confounding thing for
a lot of MAGA right now. And let's
actually touch on that before we get into
Epstein because I think Epstein is one very
clear example of something that seems to be
fracturing
what I would argue is the most you
know, p the p the grouping of people
that really believe in the core values of
this country, the constitution, what we want, you
know, but have been tricked, I think, into
thinking that's what was happening. You know? But,
you know, the the you can see this
awareness developing. And through that, you know before
we get anything else, what do you think
about that with Epstein and the MAGA movement
and, like and for example,
there's a few different points we've seen, even
the immigration part where it seems they're kind
of fracturing. You know? What what do you
think of that? Do you think that's real?
Where do you think it's going?
I think it's real in a lot of
ways. And from the grassroots level, I think
that's very real. I think it's you have
to separate MAGA
from influencer MAGA versus, like, real MAGA
people who are not in media. People are
just living their lives and believe in Donald
Trump. I think there's a big chasm that's
developing here. And the reason why I think
is because over the course of maybe the
last five, six, seven years, there's been this,
like, focus in terms of the conservative movement
on, like, hey. We need to be out
there at the forefront of protecting
children.
And that's kind of their big cultural separator
from the Democrats who are out there promoting,
like, LGBTQ
values and and
trans rights and all this stuff. And then
on the other side, it's like, no. No.
No. We need to get back to, like,
the family values. We need to protect children.
Like, get you know, we don't want trans
you know, whether you like it or not,
it's like, we don't want trans,
people. We don't want drag queens reading to
our kids. So every issue is kinda, like,
centered around, hey. This is our future here.
Children are the future. We need to protect
them whether it be, like, this issue with
Epstein of of, like, you know, child sex
trafficking, pedophiles, and this kind of thing, or,
like, the abortion
movement of, like, hey. We these are real
people. These are real humans. Like, protect the
children. So there are a lot of issues,
like, tie people together in that sense or
the the sports thing as well with the
with the trans sport. We have to protect
Right. That as well. And this is all
of a sudden the first time where or
the the one of the biggest issues out
there that he's running on to say, oh,
no. We actually don't care about this. And
I think that's a huge
incongruence to to say, how could you be
the party
of protecting children if you're literally saying, hey.
No. Let's forget about this pedophile. Let's Mhmm.
Not put anybody in jail. Let's not prosecute
anybody. Like, is is Ghislaine Maxwell
you know, if she was in charge of
a huge sex trafficking ring, I suppose she
was sex trafficking for somebody. Right? It can't
be just Epstein. Like, I know he was
quite prolific in his activities, but he you
know, there's a lot
there's a lot of other people involved in
this. And so to say that it doesn't
matter, I think that's a bridge too far
for a lot of people, and that's just
pushing things. You know, I think it's the
lie is just so bold.
It's just too much. I've heard a lot
of people put it that way. It's just
like
they know or they know that we know
they're lying to them. Right.
And they are still doing it.
Yeah. Well, since you put it that way
and we I I do wanna get it.
I I have the, you know, the point
you made with with Sager and and Tucker,
which I agree. You know, it's interesting that
the everyone knows. Right? It's it's very, very
interesting and obvious. But since you put it
that way,
briefly go ahead to a point I wanna
get into the Israel overlap. But do why
do you think
I mean, this is what I get from
people when you talk to, you know, somebody
who believes in Trump. Right? They see it.
We're all noticing that. They're very uncomfortable with
this, but many of them still decide, maybe
because Kamal is worse, whatever the logic is,
to stick with this. But the question they
get stuck on is why would they do
this? It's political suicide. So it's almost like
they can't get past that, and so they
don't go any further because they just there
there there must be a reason that I'm
not seeing kind of a thing. But so
in your mindset,
I I agree with the logic that this
is shooting themselves in both feet. You know?
Destroying any kind of credibility you had with
your biggest following, what do you sense from
that? You know, outside influence? Do you think
they just don't believe what they're saying? Like,
what is your read on that?
The so this is pure speculation, but there's
Right. Right. But there's two main theories thrown
out is that, like, Trump is heavily implicated
in this, and he has
personal,
stake where he doesn't want this information to
come out. The other is obviously some kind
of national security issue, foreign influence by CIA,
Mossad, that kind of thing. Mhmm. And the
way I see it, it's like, okay.
Trump,
yes. He has this, like, thing with with
women, but the underage girls, I think that's
just maybe a bridge too far for him
to cross. We'll see, you know, if his
information maybe comes out. That's not what I
believe. I I'm firmly on the line of,
hey. This is possibly something to do with
national security. They don't want this coming up
because it's a big can of worms because
the CIA has already been
implicated.
Not that many people know, but implicated in
this kind of, like, pedophilic activity through their
intelligence work. So all of a sudden, now
you have
more and more information coming out. You you
could really undermine
the institution
itself of, like, our whole entire
intelligence apparatus.
So if once you start unraveling this thing,
I don't think there is an end to
it. So they said, hey. We just gotta
put a stop to it right now. And
in terms of them doing it this way,
I just didn't I just think that
sometimes when you're
in command, like, a person like Trump who
has such a cult of personality and so
many people worship him,
that that can sometimes get in your head
and you're like, hey. I think I could
just do anything and then go along with
it. Right? That goes back to his infamous
line of, like, hey. I could shoot somebody
in Fifth Avenue and people will still vote
for me.
This is like taking it to the absolute
limit to say, hey. What else can I
can I just boldly lie to their face?
Right? It's that 1984
quote where,
what's that quote where where basically the party
told you to to reject the evidence of
your eyes and ears. It was the most,
you know, final and most essential command, that
kind of thing where
I know that you know that I'm lying
to you. You just gotta go with me
here. And I think that's
that's probably what's going on in in my
eyes.
Yeah. That's that's very
I agree. That makes the most sense. Like,
the seat even the intelligence point. Like, I
could very much wrap my mind around
Trump being convinced that doing this would be
the end of what he believes he's fighting
for. You know? And that that guess that's
in the vein of thought that Trump is
actually fighting for what he believes is best
for this country. I very much questioned that
today. There was one point at which I
was pretty convinced that he was doing he
was being corralled and cowed, which I do
think is a large part of it. But
I there's some things today that make me
really question whether that there's more to that.
Maybe even just blackmail and threatening, like, you
know, we talk about with RFK. But clearly,
that does make sense that he could be
convinced that this would, you know, bring down
something that he's fighting for. But still, it's
the contradiction to what you just described. He
is guided by his hubris. I think we
all could admit that, and I think very
clearly that doesn't make sense. Like, the thing
there's a lot of examples where I just
go, I don't think he would make himself
look that bad. You know? Like, I unless,
again, there's a larger point to it. But
what I tend to think is that there
or at least largely consider is that it
doesn't add up to me that they would
destroy
every bit of credibility, every bit, you know,
just for this push. So I wonder if
there is some element of this that is
somehow trying to bring down this country, which
is interesting because I see a lot of
the thought process of that coming. Like, even
the Republicans before this point were were quick
quick to make that point in any without
any evidence about China. You know, a thousand
year plan about the you know, or ten
thousand year plan about you know, there and
that's good. We should consider that very much
so. But interesting now that there's never been
more evidence coming from another country that it
seems that most really don't wanna acknowledge that
or get into it or at least on
the, you know, higher up coverage of this.
And so that's where I kinda go with
it is that it seems that there's something
happening here that is implicating a foreign country.
And we know that's the case at least
in part with Mossad. And so then it
comes down to the point of you know,
that you were kinda making there that it's
not the the real point is not about
covering up the sex trafficking. That is a
a an apparatus around the system. That it
it's about highlighting or rather keeping,
secure
the blackmail network, I think, that keeps all
of this in place. Is that do you
think any where do you think about that?
Yeah. I I think that's probably what it's
at. And I think at this point, it's
gone too. I mean, you have people like
Tucker Carlson who are out there openly saying
that, hey. This is the thing for me.
Mhmm.
Some people are saying, hey. This Trump's life
could be in danger, like or or he's
playing some sort of 67
d chess here where he this is the
real way to take down the system.
I don't I think this is clearly like,
there's no
no state deeper than kind of the intelligence
apparatus that we have built here over the
last seventy years, and it's really strong and
it's really powerful. It's really tough to take
down. That's kinda where I'm sitting at. And
and I do think although I do think
that there is going to be a breaking
point when it's just too much for Americans
to accept, and there's only two out. Either
one where we're gonna get transparency
and and we're gonna get accountability, or the
other is just more censorship,
more top down surveillance.
You know? When when I think of the
two directions it could go. Right? If you
look at, let's say,
you know, the alligator Alcatraz. Right? They're saying,
hey. That's for illegal immigrants. That's a processing
center. And I'm like, well, the people there,
I could very much see in the very
near future that it's gonna be people who,
like, criticize Israel that is gonna be sent
over there. And and that's what it's gonna
be for because there's no really no other
way
than if you wanna keep the current world,
you know, the the order in place other
than accountability or censorship. You choose one of
the two, and and let's see what happens.
And and everything
points to the second with all this, like,
increase. You know, if you wanna talk about
ICE, like, I don't know if ICE is
really there to deport people even though that's
that's what they say it's for. You're basically
turning in.
And somebody gave me this great perspective.
Greg Stoker, who's a US army ranger, and
he kind of opened my my eyes and
he said, hey. You know, at this point
in The United States, we don't necessarily
have that power
projection abroad anymore. Like, it's not 2003 anymore,
and we can't just send everybody everywhere
and take over other countries. So, like, let's
do that here at home, and let's continue
the military industrial complex, but on a domestic
level. And very much, we're creating the conditions
for that need.
Yeah. There there was a document. I can't
I I would bring this up lately, and
I keep keep forgetting what the I gotta
find this out, but I think it was
something like Battlefield America, but I feel like
it's a show. But there was something like
that that the the intelligence apparatus put out.
And it it got it got circulated, but
I don't think it was meant for average
people to look at. But it simply highlighted,
and it's not the first time that, you
know, projecting in the future that the American
people would sort of be their primary enemy.
You know? And that that's a common thing.
I think that's always how the governments view
this. I think the biggest threat to them
is that they lose control of their population.
That's the immediate threat all the time. And
so I agree with him. And I think
that this is, you know, kind of a,
you know I wouldn't even call it a
come to Jesus moment for Americans to kind
of recognize that, like, okay. This is happening.
You know? It's building. It is you know?
Whatever the narrative is, it it's you know,
offense is offense. Whatever you wanna whatever your
your logic for why it's there, it's about
the people coming after you. It's like, what
also keeps you in? You know, it's clearly
what this thing is. And so I'm just
glad that people are finally starting to really
call this out. And I'm glad you bring
up the ICE and immigration point because my
god, Trump I mean, it's six times now.
Six times has floated casually the idea of
Americans being deported or put in prisons. And
and and to be clear, he was talking
about naturalized citizens in many cases, but he
he said and born here in two different
interviews. So I mean, it's Homegrown. I mean,
he said the homegrown comment even though people
say he was joking around.
Whatever.
And then I
I mean, I do believe that
they do they do think that, hey. Anything
that goes against the project that we're currently
building here is a national security threat. So
if you're out here criticizing American foreign policy,
no matter if you're an American or
criticizing American foreign policy, no matter if you're
an American or not,
you are basically a roadblock or barrier to
us accomplishing this, and
we don't want that. Right. So whatever we
can do and I for me, it's like,
okay. Is there I mean, for for the
Americans, it's like, okay. We we're supposed to
to have a justice system that takes care
of this. Like, deportation should not be in
the picture. It's like, hey. Did this dude
commit a crime or not? Is is speech
a crime? Is investigating,
you know,
the government a crime? Is that like, what's
the what are they getting people for? And
that's, I think,
that's the kind of the the the big
sort of scary question that we're gonna have
to to face in the upcoming probably year
or two. It's like, okay. How how
how
aggressive are they gonna be here?
Right. Well, I think it depends on how
much we push back, you know, just like
you were highlighting. I think it's kind of
a give and take. And if we, as
a populist, don't stand up in in enough
force, and I mean that in the sense
of just being present, not violence, you know,
they they I think the power structure as
always I just I shared a, talk about
this. That in in in the form of
a protest, it's something like 3.5.
You know, there's a number even police have.
Yeah. But government too. That if it become
if it goes beyond a certain number, they
know they just can't deal with it. They
don't have enough jail cells, whatever it is,
so they know they have to stand down.
And that's the same point when it comes
to any of these things, is if they
recognize that not of enough of us are
together and pushing back, that that's when they
could take advantage. And this is just a
classic idea. So, I mean, it's about us
as a collective, as a as a as
a population rather,
seeing these things, calling them out, and stopping,
you know, the partisan divide and all. The
the ICE thing is just, you know, it's
look. There are people being deported that should
be deported. They're here illegally. You know? It's
like that's real. But there's endless
examples. The majority, in my opinion, of people
that are legally here, whether they have a
green card, Visa, or, you know, or going
through the process of one of them, which
is it's funny that this is what we
tell people they should do. And then as
far as I could tell, recently, the biggest
portion of people that have been removed or
arrested are those that are literally just going
through the process of trying to become a
US citizen. It's it's just it's it kind
of just shows you that it's really just
about the numbers and about presenting some kind
of a win. And I wanna make a
point about Stephen Miller when we get past
the Israel part because he seems to be
the central architect for a lot of this,
and he's a very, very obvious Zionist, and
I think he's got some ulterior motives in
all of this. But let let's talk about
the Epstein overlap because it really does connect
to a lot of these parts. Right? Even,
like, the immigration aspect, even the aspect of
foreign policy, Israel, the kind of intersection of
a lot of it. So before we get
into the other, you know, kind of evolution
of the narrative, which is funny, let's go
the end point, which is happening right now,
is this, which I love that you should
Epstein Files. Like, it's such a funny
it's not that Obama and the obvious like,
I is there anybody that doesn't know, even
Democrats, that that whole Russia thing it was
a complete fake? Like, everyone was aware of
this. Not that it shouldn't be called out.
We know it should be somebody should go
to jail. We all agree with that. But
for them to jam this in your face
now, it just like you said, it's obvious
what's happening even though that's important. So what
are your what are your take on that
and, you know, Charlie Kirk and the rest
of it? Right. My take on this is
that this would have been a bombshell
finding if
Epstein didn't exist or if they handled the
Epstein thing differently, where it's like, okay. Let's
let's go after this because this seems like
not so good. It seems like they're concocting
something,
behind the scenes to implicate Trump in something
that he didn't do. Let's are you guys
gonna is this just like a news cycle
to distract people and saying we're doing something,
or are they gonna go after Obama and
say, hey. We should No. It prosecute. Is
there a crime committed here? That's kind of
where I'm thinking of it. Like, everything now
seems to be a distraction
from that central
issue of, like, hey. Are you gonna bring
people to justice that you promised? Like, you
literally were out there saying all kinds of
things starting from, okay. Let's release the files.
Right? JD Vance, let's release the files. And
then Pam Bonnie says we have ten thousand
hours of footage
of
horrible things being done to children. What we
wanna know right? We don't wanna revictimize like
Kash Patel said. We just wanna know, okay,
who
was on those tapes?
What are those individuals or who are those
individuals,
and what are we gonna do to them?
Are we gonna
prosecute them for the crime that they committed?
Like, what's going on here? And also now
to say, well,
this is a huge hoax.
The Democrats actually made all this stuff up.
It's it's too far fetched. It's it's not
the right way to to handle this, and
that's why it's blowing up in their face
even though Charlie Kirk I think that post
in a vacuum is totally fine. Right? That's
a big bombshell. But everybody else in the
convo it's not just me. Everybody in the
comments is like, I've seen files. I've seen
files. I've seen files. Like, you don't care
about this right now. It's just give us
those files because that's
that's the big obfuscation that's happening here. Mhmm.
Everything else that Trump is gonna claim as
a win is gonna be seen as a
distraction. You need to handle this in order
to move on to your other priorities. Like,
even, I think, mass deportation, which a lot
of people in the mega base are for,
even that's now gonna be seen as something
that, oh, are you just trying to distract
from the fact that you're not gonna go
after
these these pedophile? Because that that's the whole
narrative that's been building up for five years
is that there is this, like, you know,
peto ring that's running the government.
And now all of a sudden, you you
say, no. That actually doesn't matter anymore. We
don't care about it. Exist. You're right. Like
Or does it yeah. It doesn't exist anymore.
I'd be I'm willing to bet, like you
said, if he would've just said, here's why
it doesn't matter in the moment, he probably
would've had enough support to keep that floated.
But the fact that it became didn't even
exist. It's like you know, just that's banking
on the majority of people being either wild
blind following sycophants or too dumb to know
that that doesn't make sense. But I don't
agree with that. I think the vast majority
of his base are good people. They want
good things, and they came to that and
were like, but wait a minute. Like, I
can't even find a way to make this
make sense. You know? Like, they want to.
And so you're right. It was a step
too far, but that's why I asked, you
know, why? Like Well, that's why that's why
I think it is probably to do with
Israel national security because they could literally say,
hey. We just can't release this right now
because
national security is at stake. That would obviously
be a good reason not to, but it
would also mean that we would have to
reevaluate our foreign policy
with one of our closest allies, quote, unquote.
And that there's just too many powerful,
forces to push back against that. Right? Because
I think the right way to go about
things going forward is that we just have
to reevaluate our relationship with Israel. We just
have to because there are many other allies
in the region for us. It's not just
Israel. We could ally you know, we are
allies with, like, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and
all these other countries
that we can still get what we need
in the Middle East. Because they're saying, hey.
No. Israel, it it's not just it's it's
not Israel. It's actually us needing to dominate
that region or have influence in that region.
I'm like, there's other countries in that region
that we could be working with.
Even
Iran, we could I mean, we worked with
Iran probably because we, you know, overthrew their
government and installed one that we like. But
there are other countries that we can ally
with that we could still sort of project
our power abroad if that's sort of their
their vision to do that kind of thing.
You know, I have my personal disagreements with
that kind of imperialist idea, but even
even if that was your end goal, there
are other countries that we can we can
go through to make that happen. So I
think that's probably the biggest force is like,
hey. We
just don't want any kind
of opening for this to happen. Like, we
we can't have this Israel US separation and
all these Zionist forces that, you know, I'm
gonna say are in government media all over
the place. Yep. Right. That's forcing this issue.
Absolutely. And it's not it's funny that's even
contentious. It's a verifiable fact, and it's not
the same as saying a Jewish person. It's
just it's frustrating that that has to constantly
you know, all the asterisk every time. But
we know why because there's people that are
weaponizing this idea on all sides, Christian Zionist,
and atheist Zionist, which exists. Yeah. And I
was banned from TikTok last week
for talking about I mean, for for insinuating,
that potentially our FBI director could be in
a in a honeypot situation. And I was
it was a really nice I I would
have to say that the video itself was
not
that controversial. Right? I basically cited
facts and what other people are saying and
say, hey. Make up your mind. Is he
being compromised?
Yeah. It's a good I'll include it in
the show notes. It's a good video, and
it's it's a valid question to ask. And
the fact that they just banned your account,
you know, it speaks volumes. It really does.
Yeah. And I I actually just got it
back yesterday, but it was through,
you know, connections and people higher up saying,
hey. This is you guys gotta look at
this situation. If I didn't have that avenue,
I would still a 100% be banned.
And and I don't know for sure. They
didn't give me a reason of why they
banned me, but that video
was taken off,
because I posted that, I remember,
last Friday.
And within I was checking. It was like
I had 50,000 views, and I remember going
to bed. Or right before I went to
bed, checking again, I was like, within twenty,
thirty minutes, I had gotten, you know, from
50 to a 140,000.
I was like, oh, shit. This has taken
off. Went to bed
and woke up. You know, just you you
open the app up. It just immediately logs
you out. Boom. It's done.
In in the past, what I noticed is,
you know, it's the same thing. If somebody
out there had a TikTok account with three
followers, they could say literally whatever they wanted,
and they likely wouldn't take their account down
no matter how bad, no matter how offensive.
But it's because and I this is the
same thing I noticed. The one the very
first time that I had a video that
went over a million views on YouTube, you
know, know, and also at a point when
we passed a 100,000 subscribers with the first
one, you know, you it's like a a
something switched into place. You know? It's like
that it's about the momentum. It's about the
reach. They just can't you know, the power
structures,
varying power structures that don't want certain things
out, that's what they'll do. They'll step in
and shut that down. But you're right that
the average person doesn't have the access to
somebody to to petition the top. You know?
And that's how that's what they bank on
at the end of the day. You know?
And and why you got it back. I've
got it. Yeah. And and it's always
or I don't wanna say it, but it's
almost always to do with these kind of,
like, Zionist forces. Similarly, when I did reporting
on,
the Georgia
law enforcement exchange program where
Atlanta pops are being sent to Israel for
training Mhmm. That video was also reported by
the director. I found out this through through
a public records request that another journalist did,
and he just reached out to me and
said, hey. By the way, I just wanna
let you know that your video and your
name came up. And
the director
sent your video to the FBI saying that
I was spreading anti Semitic hate and very
dangerous and and things like that. And all
I was doing was pointing out, hey. We
have a bunch of people tied into APAC
that's funding this COP City,
and these police officers are going to Israel.
They're doing all the training there. They're coming
back. They're they're
implementing all these,
oppressive tactics on, you know, student protesters and
and people's, you know, free Palestinian movement.
And we should really think about it. It's
like, why should American police be sent over
there? Like, shouldn't we be trying our own
police? Like, what's this all about? Like, why
why is Israel tied into this, and why
are we spending money, and why are billionaires
who are tied into APAC
funding this kind of thing? Like, there it's
an investment for them. So, like, what's the
return they're getting? You know, for me Right.
Right. I kinda posited that it was because
it's gonna have an impact on the way
cops feel in terms of their bias and,
like, hey. This is where our allegiance lies.
Like, that's why we're gonna act in a
certain way. They're buying influency. Clearly, we just
saw that. Like, you just I think you
just said in regard to Colombia and other
places, we are watching the way that works.
You know? But regardless of the outcome,
it's it's funny. It's it's just frustrating and
obvious that that's you're reporting on a valid
thing. The intention, the idea that by saying
those things, you mean hatred. You know, it's
just it's just that's first of all, even
if you actually did, that's not a crime,
and you're allowed to say and think what
you want. At least that's what we pretend
in this country. You know? But, clearly, that's
not what you were doing. You know? There's
a valid point to be made about this
this kind of infiltration manipulation. And all that
aside, how about the fact that that government
is literally committing a genocide in the cartonation
of every law that we know, but it's
okay that we've they train our police. You
know? It's like that's it's just there's so
many obvious reasons, but these are the things
that are falling apart right now. You know?
These mechanisms. Most people would just be afraid.
Like, those are scare tactics.
ADL, Greenblatt, they've been exposed for this, your
work, and many others. It's about scaring people,
antisemitism,
violence, hate speech, and people just respond. They
don't want well, they know what this they've
seen over the years what can happen if
you don't bow to that. You lose your
job, you get fired, you lose your personal
life, and so people just cow to it.
But today, things have shifted. You know? Any
any thoughts on I mean, there's a lot
of I just have a funny because I
I don't know if you came across this
article this morning that's
that was, basically
calling out a bake sale or something for
Gaza as ambient antisemitism, which I I mean,
that's just
I think that's starting to get into the
satire range of things. Right? That's starting to
get very oniony.
There for a long time in my mind.
I know. But I know what you mean.
It's just it's just to the point to
where I I would call it desperate.
It it it's an effort to just go,
you know, what else can we do? We
don't we they're they're succeeding with their efforts
of, you know, as I would see it,
spreading the truth about what's happening, and they
just don't the the let's just take that
as a Zionist that's disagreeing with that, just
what can we do? We can't we can't
violence. We'll get arrested. We have to call
it hate speech, antisemitism, and it's not working
anymore. You know, it just gets more and
more cartoonish. And the obvious point is by
doing that, you're protecting or hiding real hatred,
real antisemitism. Well, that's what I'm saying. And
I and I I have a lot of
Jewish friends because I went to school in
New York. York, and some of them have
personally reached out to me and said, hey.
These these videos that you're putting out, sometimes,
you know, we feel like it's it's bad
for the Jewish community or it's crossing the
line. And I try to explain to them,
I'm trying to do this on behalf
of protecting,
you know, Jewish communities because once you start
getting tied into this stuff, like, there's no
separating, yeah, the the antisemitism because then you're
you're literally saying, oh, the actions of a
foreign country is tied into your religion,
and you don't have any control over what
that country does, really.
So you don't wanna be tied into that.
You need to separate. And then I I
try to explain to groups like the ADL.
They only care about Israel. They don't actually
care about instances of antisemitism
that are against Jews. Like, the Nazi stuff,
they don't actually care about those things. They
will allow that to proliferate just fine. But
as but, but as soon as anything is
like, oh, this is a pro Palestine thing,
we gotta shut this down right now. Right.
Right. It's hypocrisy at the end of the
day. Again, even if you believe, which in
most cases, I think even the ADL recently,
and I know was called out for I
think it was the 400% increase in antisemitism,
was shown to be largely Palestinian flags and
protests, nonviolent. You know? And they just, and
so that's the idea is they just will
scream that against anything. But the point is
even if it wasn't like that, the same
point applies. We all pretend that when it
suits our interest that you're allowed to speak
speak and think what you want, but, obviously,
that's not the case. You can hate almost
anything in this country except Israel. You know?
And it's just just this is where people
are finally going, okay. I get it. I
see it. It's not about what they're trying
to make it out to be. That's why
I've done a lot of like, a long
time, but really a lot since October 7.
You know, Dan Cohen on the show, a
Jewish person himself, you know, highlighting the lie
of Zionism is Judaism. It is not the
same thing. It is a it is a
bastardization of Judaism. And there are people that
disagree with that. There's also a very, very
large momentum of orthodox Jewish communities in the
world that go, I completely agree with you,
Ryan. So it's very clear that there's something
shifting. You know? It but it's important that
Americans at least try to parse through this.
Don't take our word for it. Look into
it. Look at James' work. He does a
good job breaking this stuff down.
I'm gonna go to a part that I
from,
five times August, and then we can, you
know, go over a couple quick points of
Epstein. Let's finish on that Israel point. He
simply wrote this. I just think it's perfect.
It's just it's just I it laughs out
loud. I laugh out loud when I read
this. I don't know how to break this
down for a lot of you, but
oh, wait. No. I'm sorry. Oh, this is
the wrong one. I grabbed the wrong one.
Well, I'll I'll read this for what I
was gonna read is just the absurdity. It
looked like the same one. He broke it
down in a way that was, the absurdity
of the way it's gone with Epstein. Basically,
you know, it starts where it is, you
know,
the the evolution of it where we're gonna
go after them, then we won't, then it's
a hoax. You know, like, the the evolution
of it where just in in your face,
I'm not doing a good job representing it,
but it just but you all know the
story. This is a good point too. This
is a It is. An interesting point too
in that powerful people,
there's no accountability
ever. And that's kind of the issue that
they're facing
is that it seems to be if you're
in
elite circles, nothing ever happens to you, and
it's just getting to be too much. If
you continue to see and this is from
a cynical perspective.
If you continue to see the erosion of
your own community
and you see them getting away with everything,
it's going to end
in something bad. Right? Because I would say,
hey. You can probably get away with this
genocide stuff, and we could probably still be
arming Israel
if
we also had the same commitment
to building our infrastructure in our cities, high
speed rail. If we had, you know, power
lines that are now underground instead of above
ground that are causing fires all over the
place. If we had that same investment in
American cities
and people were just kinda going about their
lives and they don't see, like, a continuous
decay, because there's that's something that's very disconcerting.
When you're walking around your city and you're
like, wow. This looked better ten years ago.
Now it looks like shit. Yeah. And you're
seeing all your dollars like, oh, another 7,000,000
or $7,000,000,000
to Ukraine, another
$27,000,000,000
to Israel. Then you start saying, hey. What
the hell is going on here? And especially
with the Israel thing where now it's like,
oh, I can't even say
that we don't want to our money to
go to Israel, and there was just that
vote in the house, right, where, like, basically
every single politician
voted to to spend more money over there.
Even the ones like AOC or Jasmine Crockett
who are supposedly anti genocide or whatever. They're
like, oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll continue to
fund this. Mhmm. Then you start saying, what
the hell is going on here? And that's
the same, I think, with Zoran Mamdani in
New York. Right? That's, I think, what's propelling
his candidacy is, like, he is out there
saying, no. No. I'm gonna be a mayor
of New York. Like, I don't wanna go
to Israel. Like, why should I go there?
I have Jewish people that I wanna serve
here. Like, I don't need to go to
to Israel. And I think people are starting
to say, okay. That's becoming, I think, a
litmus test going forward for a lot of
politicians is, like, are you
somebody who is controlled or not? Right? If
you're, like, the mayor of some random city
in Texas
and you're saying, oh, no. In order to
get your funds
released to to to help with, flood relief
or or or rebuilding,
you need to to,
have a commitment to Israel that you won't
boycott Israel.
That's starting to not work out anymore. So
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's becoming obvious. You know?
It's becoming obvious. Yes. Exactly. Quick thought on
on, Donnie,
in regard to the legitimacy of it? Like,
I'm very skeptical of politicians. I just it's
gonna be a very long road of consistently
following through with what they claim, which never
happens. I've never seen that before I start
trusting any of these people or believing in
them rather or hoping that they do the
right thing. But he has been saying a
lot of things that I think resonate with
a lot of people. Of course, the right
is consumed. And I I I'm I'm just
as critical of a communist, socialist, or democratic
government. I think they're all potentially leading to
centralized power at the top. That's why government
is bad. But the socialist aspect of it,
the, you know, the different elements he puts
forward, but he's very clearly talking like, you
could call what he's doing America first. Right?
That's what's interesting. So where do you read
him right now in regard to that? Do
you think he's genuine?
I mean, I think he's a genuine person
as far as I've seen. As far as,
like, he he believes in these policies. Right?
I don't think he would be out there
promoting these, quote, unquote, socialist
ideals if he didn't really believe in them
because there there's a lot of
just feeling towards that term, so I don't
think he would code himself in that way.
I'm not
I don't necessarily agree with all of those
policies that he's proposing, especially some of the
weird ones around, like, let's say, like, transgender
rights and and all this stuff. To be
clear, I wasn't referring to any of that.
I'm just talking about the point you made
about the Americans first versus is America. Okay.
So I think he is genuine. I do
think that there's gonna be some co opting
that happens. I don't know the degree of
the co opting, but I think he he's
already out there softening the position because he's
trying to win over Democrats,
endorsements and things like that. I actually think
he doesn't need to do that because I
think the Democrats are so weak at this
point. You like, who cares about a a
an endorsement from, like, Hakim Jeffries? Like, that's
not gonna make or break your campaign. It
really doesn't matter. Or Richard Torres or whoever
any of these New York guys are. Right.
That doesn't matter. But he is softening his
position a little bit there. I I do
think, eventually, if I if I know the
Democratic Party like I do,
they will all kind of go towards this
the the center. They they will all soften
this position,
if you wanna gain power. And we're seeing
that with AOC. I mean, I was gonna
I haven't had a chance to to dissect
too much and then tweet about it, but,
like, her vote against the
or her vote to continue to send money
to Israel is a position to be
a a a democratic nominee for president the
next cycle around. There's no other reason to
do it. You have to get in with
the the donors, and that's
exactly what what's gonna probably happen with Zoran
Mamdani
as well. I do give him a lot
of credit for taking down the establishment in
a primary, and you can now see also
very obvious how much the Democratic Party,
respects the Democratic process. Right? Because you have
now two candidates that are running as independents
who lost in the Democratic primary, like Andrew
Cuomo and Eric Adams.
And if there was the other way around,
imagine if Mamdani had lost and he's like,
I'm still going out. I'm I'm I'm doing
an independent run. That would be all of
the democratic shells would come out and say,
oh my god. This guy is so you
know, he's he's he's fascist, basically. He doesn't
respect, you know, democracy. And now you have
two guys, basically, not respecting democracy in the
in the process of how the party is
supposed to function.
And that's where, you know, for me,
I'm I'm politically homeless. I'm like, I don't
wanna ping pong back and forth between the
two parties. Like, is there one party that's
actually just gonna put the needs of Americans
first and say, hey. Let's let's reinvest in
our communities. Let's, like, rebuild our cities. Let's
let's have, like, a nice environment so, you
know, we can walk around and and enjoy
ourselves.
Or how about just whatever you guys decide
that I should do? Right? Like, the reality
of what it's supposed to be. Right? Like,
not what I tell you we're gonna do.
You know, that's what's so funny about it
is that this people are so disillusioned by
this process. You know? It's that I'm not
even of the mind that in most cases,
our votes even really translate to the outcome.
Not that it shouldn't, but we've been stolen
from. But it's just so funny that we
get to this point to where, you know,
it's we should just act on principle in
everything. Right? Whether you're not I we shouldn't
be voting on party line. It should be
about whether the person you wanna vote for
in that moment is most in line with
what you believe in. My which it sounds
like you're the same. My perspectives, my principles,
you know, my political standpoints for any different
thing, it's all over the map because it
because when you stand back and don't let
the party guide you, that, I think, is
how it's supposed to be. You know? It's
like you're you're being guided on what you
believe in, not necessarily what you think the
other team or your team wants from you.
You know? But yeah. It's just I'm I
I think honestly well, actually, one point ask
Ask you that question. Where do you think
the country is in regard to that? In
regard to so let's just say independent left
and right. If you had to put a
percentage on it, your opinion. I mean, I
think 70% of people are in that bucket
now of independent,
but it's just what you what do you
do when it comes time to cast your
ballot as an independent? Do you still pick
one of those two parties? Or no one.
Or yeah. Or do you go with a
third party? And I think there there hasn't
been,
I think a strong enough
endorsement
or win for a third party to to
give people permission to say, hey. You know,
I think we can go outside of the
Democrats or the Republicans. I think it's gonna
take one high profile candidate, not even at
the national level, but probably at the local
or state level just to get it
done Mhmm. To get people to
sort of believe, hey. We can go outside
of the two party system. I heard Thomas
Massey talk about this a little bit on
his Theo Von podcast when he's like, the
two party system is kinda very much embedded
in our government
from a infrastructure point when he's talking about
the backrooms. He's like, there's two backrooms there.
There's only a democrat backroom and republican backroom.
Even if you're an independent, you're gonna go
into one of those two rooms. And so
there's a lot of institutional,
you know, infrastructure in place to to keep
a third party from going in. But I
think that in itself is not enough because
I think as long as you get a
few people in there, I don't care if
you caucus with the Democrats or the Republicans.
The whole point is for the third party
is to extract certain policies
for your constituents to say, hey. I will
go along with your bill here even though
I don't fully agree with it, but if
you gotta give us something. So without that
third party interjection and that that's what kinda
happens in Canada with the, for people who
understand that, Canadian politics with the block Quebecois
sometimes
is that it's like a Quebec based party.
So they're able to extract, and you almost
always need them to form the government. And
so
they're able to extract certain things
from the major party to say, hey. We
want, like, extra funding for Quebec. We want,
like, language. We want, you know, whatever the
things that they need for their Quebec,
you know, sort of identity
in their in their province to say, we
want these things. We'll give you whatever those
things are. So I think that's kind of
what we need to to prove happens. And
then I think the Democrats, you know, with
the AOC and the squad, that's what they
thought they were gonna be able to do
from within the party. It's shown that they're
not gonna do that because they just wanna
rise
within the Democratic Party. They don't actually care
about the the constituents
as much.
Mhmm. So we'll have to see if if
something like that translate. My hope is that
at some point, it will, but I might
be too early on that call right now.
Yeah. I mean, I'm at a point I
I I I share your hope for that,
and I would like to see something positive
come of this. I just think we're, you
know
honestly, I think we're at the point of,
like, a dying empire stage. Like, we are
collapsing inside right now. And I think the
problem is that we whatever we thought that
could have been, if there was ever a
time where the party system we have is
ever you know, I we can see, like
you said, in Canada, UK, there's just more
of the same, but it's the same kind
of false binary or whatever you would call
it. You know, it's not it's an illusion.
At least that's what some people I would
talk to feel the same way. But it's
like I'm at the point now where I
think we need to recognize that we might
not even be influencing
that that system. And at least I mean,
that's what I was trying to say last
time when we some nihilism going on here,
but I would say to that point, you
know, we've gone through other,
you know, tumultuous times like the civil war.
We literally kinda have the country rip it
apart, and we are able to recover from
that. So I I would say
it's always good to, like, kind of hold
out not just hope, but also put things
in place where, you know, for me, it's
like, hey. I believe in
information. I want people to be educated. I
think that is gonna create
a positive change, whatever that might be for
you that, you know, personally where you wanna
put your efforts. But I think there's always
hope in in effort. It's like, hey. If
I put in the effort Yep. Maybe something
will come of it. Because we've been shown
in the past, like, hey. There's there have
been other times in the country look like
it was really gonna rip apart, but we've
shown the resilience to come together. And I
think, hey. There is potentially something that that
could come together to, let's say, get these
Epstein files released. Like, there's something that could
happen to say, hey. We're gonna bring some
people to justice. Maybe it's not all of
them, but maybe, you know, give us Bill
Gates. Give us a couple people, and we're
gonna prosecute them, and we're gonna restore faith
in the American government. That's what is necessary.
Right? Okay. But see, here's my here's my
thought. I agree with all like, so just
to re to clarify my my point is
I I agree. It's exactly what I'm saying.
But from the people's perspective, not like, I
look. I share a very I I'm I'm
I'm not a statist. I don't believe government
has to exist. But I understand we live
in a world where that is the current
reality. And if we're forced to live within
that, then, for example, like, the constitution, I
think, is is
is important.
But my point is that the government the
right. The current government structure, as it stands,
I don't think is currently salvageable. I could
be wrong. Right? But I think that the
problem is if we're trying to fix a
broken system or rather, like, you know, something
that is broken beyond repair, and all we're
seeing is people continue to funnel into it,
possibly from a foreign country that's keeping it
that way, to maintain this ability. You know,
look at it this way. It's the same
way the US government keeps states failed so
they can take resources and, you know, we
may very well be in that kind of
position. And it's worth just considering that. That's
all I'm saying is that, you know, maybe
voting through a broken system that doesn't care
about your vote is not the only solution
out of this. But Oh, no. I'm I'm
with you a 100% on that point. Do
do things outside
more good for the country can come from,
like, outside of politics
than inside politics. Right? There's there's things I'm
working on the background right now that, you
know, in in in its infancy, but I
will share when I'm ready to share. But,
like, there's things that we're we're trying to
do as a community,
as as people with some influence, not the,
you know, the largest platform. But there's things
that we're doing to, like, build in. Hey.
How do we restore, like, Main Street in
America? How do we restore these community values?
And there's things and all of the things
that we're talking about within the people that
I'm working with outside of government.
We're not gonna go it's it's the answer
is not to vote harder or to, like,
get elected or anything like that. It's to
build in the proper incentive structure
and and infrastructure in place to make people
act in a certain way that's,
in my opinion, good for
good for America versus, like, right now, what
I see is the the country is basically
getting strip mined where we're selling off parts
here and there,
just to to make it to the next
quarter where we're gonna sell off more things
and and with this the same with the
debt. I think in government, I would like
to see I think
one or two things can actually shift people's,
opinion of it. Like, for example, if Donald
Trump were to be able to, let's say,
reduce the deficit, if they pass if they
would have had passed a budget that was,
a surplus,
I think that would have gone a long
way in terms of giving him the leeway
to maybe get away with this Epstein stuff
to say, hey.
I got this done for you. I'm restoring
America. Like, this is we're on the right
road here. I can't give you everything. Like,
this is this is bad, but I I
can't give you everything. People would give him
so much more leeway. But right now, it's
like every single thing that he's promised, basically,
he's failing on in a lot of ways.
And you just can't sustain that over a
period of time. Because then now nobody believes
what you're saying. Like, this whole Pam Bond,
you're gonna release the general whatever the the
the what what is it called? The federal
grand juries thing for Epstein's. Like, who cares
about it? Because there's no information in that.
That's obviously a ploy. You know, that's gonna
be the binder two point o. Right? All
the information in there, we probably already know.
It's funny is is, Paulina Luna was calling
it phase three, and I'm like, three? Where's
the second piece? Phase two, which is kinda
funny. But let me rapidly go through these
really quickly, and we'll end with, we'll end
with the Israel part because I I for
the podcast, I'd mentioned these. I wanna make
sure they saw this. So the first one
was this was what I thought I was
looking at first. Was just it's just funny
to read. It's five times August breaking this
down. He says, so so so I follow.
Trump knew Epstein but kicked him out of
his club for his behavior. But he knew
but he never went to the island, but
he understands that very bad things went on
there. And in 02/2019, he said we need
to find out because Bill Clinton went there.
Right? Because there's bad things that happened there
because it will tell us a lot about
the situation. But anyone who wants to, today,
keep the story going is a bad person
and a weakling because the story is actually
made up, boring, and there's nothing there at
all even though Bondi said they received truckloads
of files and there were over 250 victims
that but that's because Obama, Biden, Clinton, and
Comey made it all up now. And it's
actually a complete hoax, but now they're going
to unseal the grand jury testimony even though
it's apparently all made up. It's just like
it is I you couldn't have written a
better a worse script. Like, it this is
where I'm like when I really think it
through, I'm like, how would I mean, isn't
don't they have teams that go through these
things? Like, it just felt ridiculous to me.
And then here is the one that, that
you mentioned, and I I I do think
it's important. And this is about going back
to the point about Obama, and I agree
with this is this is what I was
saying in regard to, you know, them doing
this. It's important that we hit, like and
I agree. What they're showing you is obvious,
but I don't think we were that I
think most people were aware that Obama or
rather just the US government was conduct conducting
this psyop. But Obama, most importantly, and he
should be in go to jail for this,
but I think a lot of them should
for a lot of reasons. The point is
that now, as you pointed out, it seems
very odd, but I think it's interesting that
this is where I think and it seems
like we agree on this. I don't think
anything's gonna happen. I don't think Obama will
go to jail like we never see anybody
go to jail, and that's the real point.
He goes, I don't know how to break
this to a lot of you. Barack Obama
isn't going to be arrested. Same reason Epstein
won't ever get arrested. Same reason Comey won't
be arrested, same reason Fauci won't be arrested,
same reason Zuckerberg won't be arrested, same reason
Bill Gates won't be arrested. Nobody you want
to go to jail will go to jail.
You've been conditioned to perpetually allow very bad
people to get away with their crimes in
exchange for Internet memes and fun sound bites.
Now you could argue that's a little black
pill. You know? Like, it'll never happen. I
argue that we can like, we're kind of
both saying that we're fighting for to get
to a place to where that can happen.
But as we stand now, I agree with
them. I feel like that's where we've been
kind of set.
This is something, Loomer put out, Cash Patel,
Bongino, and and Bondi with their memo, the
lack of transparency from office regarding Epstein files.
Source tells them, you know, bottom line breaking
over the the Yeah. So that that to
me, that is like
they've already played that card too many times,
and it's not been true where Trump is,
like, acting like he's mad at Israel and
this and that. And it's like, oh, or
or Iran and then oh, it's like, oh,
it's it was actually a whole ploy
to
to be,
to to to misdirect. So I'm like, oh,
is this a misdirection thing as well? Are
they actually mad, or are they actually pissed
off? Because it seemed like all of them
had signed off on it. You know?
Yeah. I mean, I it does it feels
very much like theater to me, but I
guess we'll find out. And, you know, Bondi
the the firing of Comey's daughter had kind
of in the same direction fell.
And what's weird about the Russia thing too
is that Trump, before this bombshell came out,
the the Gabbard files, I guess, it's being
called, is it it he's been floating this.
Right? The the reason Epstein was a hoax
is because Russia Russia, they faked Russia. So
So it kinda felt like they were priming
you for that. You know? It felt very
contrived.
And the same thing you said about Bondi,
says she's ready to move to tomorrow to
unseal the grand jury. And anybody seen this
rerun before? It
it feels like we've seen this before. You
know? You're And then what I wanna make
a quick point about,
because, the the Comey,
the prosecutor,
I mean, she was also she, like, called
totally bundled the ditty
Yep. Trial as well. And that's kind of
a parallel here where they're getting him on
that, you know, I don't wanna say small
stuff. I mean, he's they're getting him on
the sort of the prostitution, but they're not
getting him on the reco charges because it's
like, oh, if if he's racketeering, then there
must be people that he's racketeering with, and
we don't wanna get into that. Right? That's
the whole another thing. Yeah.
Just like that meeting. Right? Exactly. So it's
like, no. No. No. He was just doing
this. It was a very isolated incident. Him,
he's doing his his his his freak offs,
and that that's all that happened.
And and it's very much in the same,
you know, very very much parallel to what
happened with Epstein. It's like just a narrow
investigation.
There's no other bad players. It's just him
being a bad guy. This one's just Diddy
being a bad guy, and nobody else was
involved in it.
And and it's the it's the interesting point
of Trump coming out, which does feel kind
of like it was a clumsy reactionary statement
that it was a hoax. But that, you
know, now, at least as it appears in
the surface, you got Ghislaine MacMillan's lawyers going,
well, okay. Well, if there's a hoax, then
that means there was no trafficking, which then
why is she in prison? You know, it's
like that doesn't make and so now her
lawyers at least seem to be going, well,
we wanna, you know, appeal, and they're pushing
back on it. Now that could be more
theater than we realized,
but maybe it is just incompetence and clumsiness,
you know, that the you're you open the
door for that to come out. I expect
some kind of a backroom deal, like usual,
that might let that not happen.
This is the clip we referenced
Segar and and Tucker, and the point being
that we all know they're lying, and this
was a signal to the bad people that
will protect you, which I agree with. I'll
just go pass this for time. And the
just the interesting point of Segar saying, here's
a list of Israeli prime ministers all linked
to Epstein all the way up to Netanyahu.
It's you know, it's there's an important overlap
to all of this. But let let's talk
about and I'll just just briefly, since we're
already about an hour, let's let's go over
this in regard to Israel. Here's your video,
which I recommend you all watch of of
the point we referenced earlier of whether Cash
Patel is dating a Mossad agent,
that you put out a a great investigation
around is Israel spying on the world through
VPNs. We touched on something recently about that.
It's it's alarming to see all these interconnections
or the carbine aspect, you know, that that,
you know, or or let me actually just
play this clip, and then we can just
finish on talking about all of this. I
put this out. Stephen Miller, everyone, White House
deputy chief of staff, and proud Zionist. I
don't know if you saw this, but you
might find this interesting.
Issue of the Iraqi civilians.
I think that as many of them should
survive as possible because the goal
of any military conflict
is to kill as few people as possible.
But after Saddam Hussein and his henchmen,
I think the ideal solution would be to
cut off their fingers.
I don't think it's necessary to kill them
entirely. We're not a barbaric people. We respect
life. Therefore, torture is the way to go
because torture people can live. Torture is a
celebration of life and human dignity.
We need
to remember that as we enter these very
dark and dangerous times in the next century.
And I only hope that many of my
peers and people who will be leaving this
country will appreciate the value and respect
that torture shows towards other cultures.
So he's drunk when he's saying this. Right?
I I I don't I mean, I don't
know. It's it's 02/2003,
but the point is that it could be
joking. Like, that's kind of the scent the
see the feeling you get. No. I mean
yeah. Go ahead. What are your thoughts?
No. I I mean, my first reaction is,
like, oh, he's just having a little fun
in the back of the bus with with
his his friends, and it seemed like maybe
they're coming back from something. They probably had
a few drinks, and he's just doing a
caricature
kinda situation.
But there's a lot of truth in these
kinds of moments because I I have these
moments
myself, but with other different issues. But if
you were to capture that, they're like, oh,
wow. This guy is is insane. But I
think there's
a
he he just believes in those kinds of
things. It's like there's there's
so many truths that come out in these
kind of moments.
It will if if if if that was
the if he had a a life of
of peace and happiness, you that wouldn't mean
anything. Right? But he could look at his
track record. He could look at what he's
doing. Like we said, the he's
the chief architect of the ongoing,
you know, kind of, like, building police state
of this country. You know? It's clear to
me that there's more there. He's a very
proud Zionist. He's actively, in many ways, I've
shown
I think I could point blank say acting
for Israel's interest at the expense of Americans.
You know? And so when you see these
kind of things, not not that those two
things necessarily have to be connected, but it
just kinda shows you a a a building
problem of kind of rampant lawlessness, this might
makes right kind of idea that people like
that have gravitated to the highest levels of
power. You know? And so other than the
Miller point, I just think he is a
a very big problem for this country in
a lot of ways. You know, all of
that together, you know, the VPN infiltration, Israel,
Zionism, Mossad, the, you know, the the is
this country being infiltrated by a foreign power?
Like, let's just kinda talk about that for
the last five minutes about, you know I
mean, because you've done a lot of great
work on that, that it seems pretty clear
that you think that there's more than people
wanna acknowledge. So I just want your thoughts
on where that from last we spoke to
what you see today.
Yeah. Absolutely. It just seems like
over the course
of history, there have been more and more
of these types of projects that Zionists have
used to try to say America is one
with Israel. Like, that's the biggest
thing that they're trying to accomplish
because the fact of the matter is I
don't think Israel could survive without America's support.
I mean, you could see that through government,
through the, like, the United Nations and how
many times that United States has used their
veto power just on behalf of Israel. I
think it's more than, you know, half of
the the vetoes of The US
has been on behalf of Israel. And all
these other things that if you're tied into,
let's say, the media or through technology companies.
Right? There's so many of these projects that
are interrelated,
and that's
there is a purpose to all this. It's
to basically make it so you can't
separate
from an economic perspective. And then you add
on top of that this cultural element
to it where
all of a sudden, if you start to
just
say something to let's say, hey. We should
just maybe reevaluate
our foreign policy.
That's
now a form of antisemitism
to say, well, now you hate Jews,
and and and you want the second coming
of the holocaust. Even though while they're, you
know, at the same time Israel you could
argue, you know, some people say genocide. Other
people are saying, hey. This is kind of
a holocaust situation that's happening. This is very
similar parallels that are happening. So I think
that's the project that they've embarked on over
the last forty, fifty years, and it's worked
really well. But now
as the material conditions
of actual Americans, like I said, are decreasing
and getting worse,
Can you hold this together? Is this still
tenable? Right? Because it's
why because they haven't given us, like, why
should we invest so much in Israel? Why
are they enjoying the spoils of, let's say,
free health care and
free colleges
and all the stuff that Americans don't have
access to,
why what's in it for us? Right? That's
Yep. For all the America First people out
there listening, that's the big question. It's like,
what are we getting out of this relationship?
Right? It seems like sort of an abusive
relationship
where we're just doing whatever they want us
to do, and we're getting nothing in return.
I think I I don't think it's I
think long term, I don't think it's tenable
without some sort of, like, extreme censorship
in place.
Yeah. Which is what we're seeing, you know,
in a lot of ways. And I'm like,
the the I mean, it's just, like, the
joke somebody made, Steve for May and Wake
Up, you know, the snowflakes and the broflakes.
It's just like the right version of the
same game, but, you know, it was slightly
different a but, I mean, even antisemitism was
a part of the woke side too. You
know, it's just about using these about identity
politics,
censorship based on speech, hate speech, and, you
know, or not and may you know, pronouns
versus antisemitism.
To me, it's the same thing. Even, like,
the build back better,
great reset,
big beautiful bill, you know, it's like you
just see so many different parallels in the
same direction of all these things. You know?
It it I I think that what we're
kind of, like, grappling with as Americans is
that a lot of what we've been taught,
what we understand, it it it may be
at one point being true is not true
today. You know? Like, the the ideas we
have, but the the whole point is that
I think at least I will speak for
myself that I'm fighting for is to get
back to that point. There's I I got
the same sentiment from you, you know, to
fight back to what we believe we should
be. And that's that's, like, the most quintessentially
American thing that we can discuss. And that
you like you said, though, you talk about
these things, and in many ways, you get
called racist or anti Semitic or hateful or
an apologist for something out there that the
government's fighting. You know, it's it's it's it's
Or Chinese spy. I get the Chinese spy
all the time as well. Yeah. Right. I'm
I'm the agent of the CCP.
You know, I'm trying to infiltrate America. Because
whenever I talk about Israeli influence, they throw
back, well, you're you're a a Chinese spy,
so you're actually
here on behalf of another foreign nation.
Well, I mean, the point is always for
anything. And as I'm sure you would agree,
like, people accuse me with the the most
ridiculous things. I'm like, sure. Question that. Yes.
No. No. I and that's how I responded.
It's like, I might be a spy. You
should look into it. Right. Right. But the
point being is like, okay. But now present
your evidence. Feel free to here's your report.
Go for it. You know? And the point
is it's all insinuation. Well, this and that.
You know? Nothing that's actual even evidence, let
alone proof. But that's the thing is a
lot of what goes on today in the
mainstream alternative media is just insinuation, you know,
part team sport politics. And I honestly think
that the American people are getting tired. Tired
of all of it, you know, which I
think is kinda where we are right now.
I know. And that and that's that's worrisome
because, like,
can you sustain
a a cohesive society if more and more
people are becoming nihilistic?
Right? If if everybody is sort of on
the edge, what does that look like? Does
it I mean, I think last night, there
was a a driver. I don't know all
the details, but a driver that plowed through
30 people in Los Angeles. Mhmm. What is
he dealing with? Like, what what made him
go to those ends? Because for me, I'm
like,
if things are going well, I'm maybe I'm
staying at home, man. I don't need to
do that, you know, today. And and for
it's like all these things, like, with the
the Idaho,
firefighter situation where that guy was, you know,
started a fire to take out take out
some firefighters. Like, what is going on here
where we're getting more and more of those
instances?
And they're definitely not, you know, Iranian
terror cells or whatever that people you know,
Laura Loomer and the folks are saying. It's
like, oh, yeah. No. That was that's that's
that's an ISIS terror cell over there.
Or or or the guy in New Orleans,
oh, that was obviously
a a jihadist because of his his Quran
that's opened in in his his bedroom or
whatever. You know? I think we we have
fortunately, people like you
like, the independent media ecosystem is just not
the same as it was in 02/2003. So
these these tactics,
this kind of information ecosystem is so different
that it doesn't work anymore. You have the
Candace Owens of the world, Tucker Carlson, who
are like, no. This is this seems wrong.
I don't think
that the analysis is correct, and they're presenting
their evidence
of potentially
a different theory of what's happening. And enough
people are listening to it now where they
say, oh, yeah. That that seems
us or that seems off.
And you're not getting this kind of, like,
cohesive body and like, oh, yes. Iraq met
weapons of mass destruction anymore. I think even
in this scenario, I I made a, sort
of a post the other day when,
they were sending the USS Nimitz into The
Gulf. And I said, hey. Do you guys
remember the USS Liberty?
You know, I'm just saying that this it's
a very big possibility that if if something
happens to it, false flag, you should consider
that. And then there was some article that
was written that says, no. The USS Nimitz
will not
be displayed in the false flag operation. I
laughed about that on the show. The fact
that it wasn't like it's not, you know,
like, it's not going to happen. It's like,
how could you even make that statement? It's
like, what an odd thing to say. You
know, that was with me post process. It
was like, what an odd thing to say.
But, you know, they're exactly going, see, we
told you it didn't happen. But it's like,
you could have never known that. Of course,
it could happen. It's just something No. A
lot of people are prosing underneath. It's like,
I think I just prevented the false flag
from happening. Because if I just say it
out loud, then it's like, okay. Good point.
Yeah. That's not gonna like, that tactic is
no longer it's off the table now. You
gotta do something else.
Yeah. That's a good point to make, though,
because, yeah, obviously, the point of a false
flag is to not have it be if
everyone's going, this is what's gonna happen, they're
gonna go, well, okay. We'll do it later
at a different point, but then it ruins
the whole thing. Right? But it's just but
I I think there's something to that though
that, you know, because you'll never know for
sure. Right? Maybe it wasn't gonna happen, but
that's what we I think are are one
of the important parts of what we do
is about trying to, you know, present people
with data points for them to come to
their conclusions. And just just by putting it
out, you may very well may have saved
people's lives. Maybe not. Yeah. Yes. But it
I mean, really though, you know, it's it's
an interesting thing to think about. But that's
why it's so important that we stick to
our our principles, our integrity. And we're honest,
and we and we do things based on
the truth, you know, which is why I
respect your work. I think it's important. Thank
you. I appreciate that, right, I I very
much. You know, I think people like you
have been at it for so much longer
than me. I'm I'm I think I'm relatively
green
in this space. And then the real only
reason why I joined is is
from what I saw behind the scenes in
the corporate world and and through COVID. Right?
I know you did a lot of reporting
on that. And what I saw behind the
scenes of, like, wow. These companies
who are out there saying they care about
science
are making big time
unscientific
decisions. They're making financial decisions, and I saw
it firsthand.
And it's not for the good of the
American public. It's not good for health. And
that's one of my big,
you know, motivators in getting into this space
because I gotta be honest with you. I
was making,
you know, quarter million dollars just making PowerPoint
slides for for Big Pharma, and that was
a nice it was a good life. I
make way, way less money now. I gotta
put it out there. So this for people
who say, oh, yeah. I'm in it for
the money and this and that. This is
not the way to do it. This is
I'm gonna be 100% transparent there. I'm glad
you said that. It's just such a funny
thing to or I I've I've dealt with
that my entire career, which is funny where
it's like, you know, if you think I'm
just to make money, you have no idea
how this actually goes. It's like, it's it
is for one of the most I mean,
you know, clearly, there are ways I mean,
I'll point out that, of course, if we
came on and we're just like, rah rah,
left versus right, you know, whatever. We'd probably
make a ton a lot more money or
a lot, you know. But it's the truth
in this industry is not profitable, and I
think a lot of people are, you know,
beginning to see that. But it's just I
tend to think those are people trying to
shout you back from, you know, trying to
make a benefit from doing it the right
way. That's what I think that is. Right.
And I and then that's something that I
it it's it's a true north star for
me. It's like,
I will always remember why I got into
this thing is not for the money. So,
like, when I make decisions, I if there's
anything that would compromise my ability to say
what I wanna say, and I might be
wrong in terms of what I'm saying in
the moment. But if there's anything that compromises
my ability to
to at least give my perspective on things,
that's that's the day that I'm ending this
venture because that's not what I'm here for.
Like, I'm not here to become
I don't wanna denigrate anybody. I'm not here
to become another Charlie Kirk kinda figure who
has been extremely successful. That's a person who's
made a lot of money in media, but
he's serving a particular purpose.
I'm here in terms of just giving people
different perspectives
on what the truth might be. I don't
know what the truth is, but I'm saying,
hey. They for For example, the the false
flag. I'm like, hey. This is something that
happened in history. You guys should know about
this. So in case they come out with
more information, you should scrutinize that information to
make sure that it's true. And that's my
function here. And there's not a lot of
money to be made, you know, calling out
the
US military industrial complex or the imperial project.
These kinds of things are very unprofitable,
and
could get your TikTok and and platforms banned,
and all of a sudden, oh, my main
source of income is gone. So over the
last week, I'm like, oh, shit. I need
to figure out something. If I don't get
that account back, I've lost 75% of my
income. So what should I do at this
point?
Yeah. Yeah. And see, that's the struggle. You
know? And and I it's it's I I
think it's an interesting shift in all this,
you know, where there
one thing I keep talking about and, like,
I I personally kinda sense this in a
like Marjorie Taylor Greene coming out and and
really
making her statement about the the the amendment
for not funding Israel. You know, I I
agree with everything she said. And I don't
know what her intentions are. I I, you
know, I'm very jaded when it comes to
politics. I think we have a right to
be. I just said I don't I don't
trust the intention. But I'm glad she's saying
it. My point continues to be that if
we see people saying what we agree, what
we know is right,
raise it up. Yeah. Don't support everything they
do. Don't then just blindly trust the next
thing they say, but hope they have the
right intention, but raise up what's important. Start
to show people out there who are new
to this, even people that are dishonest that
they can gain more by being honest in
the with the truth than they can by
lying. You know? And I think it that
we can start to motivate people through those
channels even if they don't do do it
for the right reasons. At least we show
the you know, people lean into this right
direction. And I think we can change the
field that way. I think we are. So,
hopefully, we can keep that going.
Yeah. Absolutely. I think there's, just to tie
back with the Mamdani point, I think people
now respect
the truth. They respect people who just give
their opinion about something versus somebody you could
see, oh, wow. This is just acting against
your morals and principles. So, like, why are
you doing that? Why should I trust you
if you won't even
act
in with good integrity? Right? At least I
don't care how you feel about Margie Taylor
Greene's other policies. You may disagree with them,
but she might be wholeheartedly I think she's
one of those America first people who say,
hey. I would rather have a white person
working in this than a brown person. And
I think that's probably
what she believes, and that's something I disagree
with. Mhmm.
But she's doing it from a place of
integrity at the very least. Even though I
don't agree with that particular ideology, I'm saying,
okay. She's there presenting those views, and here,
this clearly aligns with that. I was like,
hey. This is not an America first bill.
Like, why are we doing this? This doesn't
make any sense for my constituents.
I don't want this.
But but but oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
And then and then I'm just saying, like,
I would rather support politicians like that who
are true to their ideology versus somebody who's
just doing the bidding of their donors.
I I agree with that. And I actually,
to your point specifically of even things that
we may not, you know, agree with or
find to taste distasteful. But if they you
know, that they're acting with what they believe
in, I would agree with that. But I
would my point is,
again, more so, like, I I actually don't
I don't know. I don't I my gut
tells me I don't think she really means
it. That's just I bet I get it.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, nonetheless, it's like, yeah,
she sees the benefit because you know, like
like I keep saying, it's like so they're
they look around and they okay. She goes,
if I say this, Israel is going to
come after me. I've I may lose the
next election, you know, blah blah blah. But
if I can get this behemoth of the
majority that clearly sees this on my side,
that's more powerful than anything else. You know,
from a politician's perspective, I mean, it's so
good. Let's motivate them to find the truth
more profitable, to find it more, you know,
better for their career. You know? And I
just I really do believe that. You know?
And I say I just I'm glad to
see more and more leaning in that direction.
So, you know, James, thanks for being your
man. I really enjoy your work, and I'm
glad to have this conversation. We should do
it more often. I think your work is
Absolutely. Yeah. Happy to come on anytime, Ryan.
Appreciate you for elevating, you know, the stuff
and sharing. I think that's important in terms
of helping each other in this ecosystem Yep.
That we're all in it together.
That's how independent media works. It's it's
if we if we don't,
you know, if we don't come together here,
we're they're they're trying to pick us off
one by one. I could see in this
space, they're like, oh, can we co opt
you? Can we co opt this person? Oh,
you you you you guys.
Let's pick you off. So I think we
can prevent that by kind of creating our
own network to say, hey. No. It's better.
To your point, right,
we we need to create an incentive to
stay independent. It's like, hey. This is how
you can build a bigger audience.
This is, you know, cynically speaking, where you
should be. It's it's you you wanna create
that cynicism where it's like, oh, it's better
for me to tell the truth than to
lie. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Well, thank you, brother. And, I look forward
to speaking in the future. And as always,
everybody out there question everything. Come to your
own conclusions. Stay vigilant.