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Welcome to the last American Vagabond. Joining me

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once again in studio is Brad Miller, and

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I'll use his bio to introduce happily resigned

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former army officer, Christ Truth, Courage, Freedom. We've

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had a lot of great discussions in the

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past, Brad and I, and we're following up

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today to discuss the last point we left

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off on. And we discussed in the last

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interview, which was entitled,

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Brad Miller interview a declaration of military accountability

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and foreign influence over US policy. And so

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I really wanted to start today with that

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point and what we what we've you know,

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what's happened since then. And I was reaching

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out earlier because I've been noticing a lot

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of the a lot of stuff he's been

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posting and talking about, and I think there's

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you know, it's a rapidly growing number of

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people who are becoming aware of what I

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think is happening, but it just seems Brad

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really has an insight on what's going on

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for a lot of different reasons. So it's

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an honor to have you back in studio,

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brother. How are you? First of all, great.

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Thanks again for having me back. We have

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had some great conversations.

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I think we've done two conversations previously. This

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would be the third, the second in studio.

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You know, it's funny you say that. I

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thought there might have been three, and I

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wasn't able to grab the other one, but

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it could just be a tagging issue. Yeah.

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But one was that one I just mentioned,

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and then there was the first one where

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we discussed the, you know, just your the

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the courage

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about resigning regarding the gunshot.

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Yeah. So, you know, we've always had some,

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some fantastic conversations before.

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So, yeah, looking to get back into it.

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Yeah. Well, thanks for joining me, man. And,

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you know, obviously, you've got some insights that

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most people don't have. You know, just and

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things that probably more than you even let

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on on your on your accounts, what you're

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talking about. You know? So I'd like to

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get into this stuff with you on how

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you perceive these things, you know, with the

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different fields of war,

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Epstein, you know, how this all evolving. And

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one thing most important is, you know, your

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view of Donald Trump, the two party illusion,

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how all this is evolving in a really

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I mean, in a way, an entertaining way

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right now, in a very wild and which

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is one of the most alarming things for

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me is that people are gonna get lost

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in, like, this like, this reality TV version

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of what it is. Sure. But it is

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pretty chaotic, which makes me wonder whether, as

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we were briefly talking about off air, you

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know, who's really calling these shots if they

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seem to be sort of destroying

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what was you know, what they built. But

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before we get to all of that, I'd

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like to start on on the,

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declaration of military accountability and and our last

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discussion about that and your your substack post

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and, you know, what you know, actually, let's

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start with, you know, your brief introduction of,

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you know, maybe the brief, background military COVID

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point and then that declaration, and let's go

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on to what has happened since then in

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case they didn't, see the last interviews.

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you know, the abridged version of what has

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happened in, in the last couple of years.

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I served for nineteen years in the military,

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and I spent a little bit more than

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nineteen years in the army on active duty.

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I attained the rank of lieutenant colonel. I

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was a battalion commander in the hundred and

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first airborne division at the time that the,

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COVID shot mandate went into effect.

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Long story short, I was never gonna comply

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with the mandate for for a variety of

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One being my own health. Mhmm. But a

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lot of people think that that's the only

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reason it's not. There was a much larger,

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more important reason. So, of course, I didn't

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wanna take the shot for my own health,

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but there was a bigger reason, is that

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I knew that this was an operation. Mhmm.

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I knew that this was to target the

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American people, if not people across the globe,

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and I wasn't gonna go along with it.

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Right. And I did even in 2021.

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I thought that to go along with it

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would be to comply with treason or at

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least to to kind of involve oneself in

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what was a deliberately planned and executed

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treasonous operation. I wasn't gonna go along with

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that. So I was fired from command,

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shortly thereafter,

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I decided to resign altogether from the army,

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after a little bit more than nineteen years

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of service, which means I did not hit

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the twenty year benchmark

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to qualify for retirement pension, etcetera. So I've

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been out of the army now for almost

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three years. In September, it'll be three years.

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And since that time, I have continued to

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I don't know, what do you wanna call

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it, be a voice of reason or or

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talk about government overreach or try here's what

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Try to get people to to think more

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deeply Right. And conduct their own personal strategic

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assessment

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of the environment and exactly what's happening. Because

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I I think a lot of people

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fail to do that. So,

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here's the other thing, and this is where

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a a military background can be a little

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bit of a double edged sword. Mhmm. So

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I like to think that my military experience

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gives me

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a framework

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to to think about these problems,

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a vocabulary

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to be able to

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communicate these ideas to myself and understand them,

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and then be able to share them with

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other people in a way that hopefully makes

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sense. Because at the end of the day,

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we're all in a war. Right. And if

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you think that you're not a combatant in

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that war, think again, because those who are

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trying to fight against us very much view

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all of us as combatants. Right. So you

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might as well just understand that out the

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gate. It's just that this war may look

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a little bit different than the way that

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we typically think about, you know, war.

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so I have a good buddy of mine

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who is still currently serving in the Navy.

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in the Navy, which would be the equivalent

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of a lieutenant colonel in the Army, which

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is the rank that I held before I

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left the Army, and, he is still currently

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serving. Now in 2023, he wrote a book

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called Defending the Constitution Behind Enemy Lines,

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in the military

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with regard to these policies that were enacted

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in 2020, 2021,

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etcetera,

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mostly focusing on the COVID shot mandate, but

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it did go deeper than there were other

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policies the military enacted

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during that time period besides just the COVID

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was published by Rob Green

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and on New Year's Day of twenty twenty

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a group of us put out this document,

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which consisted of an open letter to the

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American public

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that basically said,

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we and then there were 231

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individuals who who who signed on to this

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of us are not going to stand by

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to destroy the armed forces. Mhmm. And so

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there were a group of us that were

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that were, behind that document, but the one

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who wrote the initial draft, who had the

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idea and wrote the initial draft, was Rob

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that open letter to the American public, which

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we came to call the declaration of military

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accountability,

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in some ways, it was this continuation of

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he's first of all, he publishes the book

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as an active duty officer.

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it under a pen name. He publishes it

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in his own name. Mhmm. So what's the

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reaction from senior military leadership?

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Silence. Now why? I mean, I would assume

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it's because they knew that we don't even

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wanna touch this. Mhmm. As soon as we

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try to refute it, we're already lending it

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credibility. So don't touch it.

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of military accountability comes out,

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which, oh, by the way, we we emailed

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I emailed on 01/01/2024.

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I emailed to senior Pentagon officials

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early in the morning on New Year's Day.

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Silence.

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as if they knew

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just don't even engage with that because as

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soon as you engage with it, you're you're

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lending credibility to the message that these guys

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are are putting forward.

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was our major push for,

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substantive reform in the military. Did we get

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there? No. Does that mean that we accomplished

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nothing? Well, no. That's not necessarily true either.

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these issues.

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into office. I'm sure we'll talk about that.

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There's a new secretary of defense. Some superficial

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changes have been made in the military, and

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we can talk about that. I would say

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they haven't gone nearly,

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far enough.

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we've come to find out that Rob Green,

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who wrote the book that I mentioned Mhmm.

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Declaration of Military Accountability,

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he is still serving in the Navy. Well,

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now the Navy has opened up an investigation

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into him

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for some language that he has used

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on his, publicly in which he has referred

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to certain senior military officials as

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domestic enemies of the constitution.

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yeah. Okay. That's that's pretty strong language,

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but it's also true. Mhmm. It's also 100%

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true. But the other thing is is that

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he has been very consistent in his message.

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This is the same message that was in

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his book. It's the same message that we

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talk about in the declaration of military accountability

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Right. Or that we have mentioned in many

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interviews that we have given.

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So nothing's changed, but now they've gone after

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him, and they have opened up this investigation

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into him. So on the front of all

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things military accountability,

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I would just use this as a as

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an example to show that

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we we are still very much in the

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trenches

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in that fight. Yeah. Oh, definitely. I mean,

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what I'm what comes to my mind is

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obviously, what do you think changed? Now before

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you answer, I mean, it's interesting that,

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you know, my thought on why, let's say,

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in in in, I guess, during the Biden

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administration, there was no, you know, silence, there's

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no response. I think, you know, regardless of

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whether it was Trump or Biden or anybody

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else, at that moment, I think just like

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you're highlighting or insinuate or, you know, hinting

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at is that they didn't want anyone

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they didn't want, you know, whether Streisand effect

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or anything else. They didn't want this to

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get attention in any way because I think

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they recognize as we did, everyone did, that

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we're at a moment right there where people

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were more willing. I and I think it's

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gotten

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better in the way I see it, worse

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for them now. But despite their efforts, the

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people were willing to start asking certain questions.

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We were willing to look into these things

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we hadn't in the past, and so I

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think they were just trying to get away

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from that. Now I want your thought on

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why you think because in my opinion, the

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the the circumstances are even worse for them

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right now. Why do you think during Trump's

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administration now, are they deciding to go after

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him? What what changed? Yeah. Well, if we

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talk about under the Biden administration, now the

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first thing that I would say here is,

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I and and I know you know this,

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but just for those out there who are

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listening,

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and I'm I'm assuming much of your audience

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already gets this, but just to say it,

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just to map this out. So,

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ultimately, I I believe that, you know, Trump

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and Biden still take their orders from the

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same networks, of course, but they do have

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but they do play different roles, and they

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have different scripts. Mhmm. And so

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but a lot of people within the public,

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to include within the military, unfortunately enough, they

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don't necessarily see that. Right. So during the

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Biden administration or when Lloyd Austin was the

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secretary of defense, if you were on our

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side,

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you felt that you were within a hostile

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environment because you believe that this administration, meaning

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the Biden administration,

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or this secretary of defense, meaning Lloyd Austin,

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they're hostile to the constitution. They are hostile

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to the rights of service members,

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etcetera. Mhmm. But But then there may be

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this assumption that that's gonna change with the

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new administration. Okay. You know, with Trump in

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office

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or or with, Pete Hegseth. There are a

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lot of people within the military accountability movement

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and within the public at large that just

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assumed

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things would change. Mhmm. And and now they

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haven't necessarily changed.

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But what what did anything change? Well, yeah,

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I would say there were some superficial changes

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that have happened. So, for example,

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on January 20, so during his inauguration speech,

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Trump did include some language in that speech

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in which he mentioned, you know, bringing back

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these service members whose careers were harmed,

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because the COVID shot mandate.

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Within a week, there was an executive order

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that was published

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that basically said the same thing.

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So then, you know, now Pete Hegseth is

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in the driver's seat in the Pentagon, you

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know, as the secretary of defense. The secretary

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of defense, you know, his office starts putting

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out more memos,

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and they put together this process Mhmm. To

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bring people back into the service who left

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over the COVID shot military

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or the COVID shot mandate,

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those who left either voluntarily or involuntarily.

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Mhmm. Now what I would say is

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the process that they have put in place

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is

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is, somewhat well, first of all, it's very

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incomplete. Mhmm. And the rhetoric around what they

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have supposedly done is quite hollow.

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Mhmm. So they're saying they've done much more

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than they've actually done, but they have Will

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you flush that out for me? In what

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way are are they lying? So

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so have they put together a process to

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allow people who lost their careers to the

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COVID shot mandate to come back? Yes. Now,

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what does that look like? Mhmm. So if

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you let's say you're you're me, and you

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and I let's say I were to say,

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okay. Let me go back and let me

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finish out my time in the military. What

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do I have to do?

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So there is a process that I can

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apply for

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and try to get accepted back into the

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military.

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But there are a couple of things we

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gotta take into consideration. So first of all,

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they're gonna look at me and they're gonna

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say,

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did you leave voluntarily

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or involuntarily?

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Okay. Okay?

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Well,

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good question. Mhmm. Because

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what about unlawful coercion? Yeah. You know? So

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what if you were coerced out, but you

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voluntarily left? So I resigned,

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but I resigned after being relieved of command.

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Mhmm. Well, now the secretary of defense has

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actually come out and said that the COVID

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shot mandate, which he characterizes as, you know,

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having been implemented by the previous administration, which

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technically is true, but whatever. Mhmm. He has

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said that that mandate was implemented unlawfully.

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Right. So it shouldn't matter. But but I

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was relieved of command. Unlawful it means I

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was relieved of command unlawfully,

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but I resigned.

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Okay. But why was I why was I

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backed into a corner to where I had

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to either comply with an unlawful command Mhmm.

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Give an unlawful command to my subordinates,

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or resign. Why was I ever placed in

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that situation? So according to the military,

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I left voluntarily,

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not involuntarily. Mhmm. And so the DOD wants

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to focus on this number of

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about 8,600. So so DOD will tell you,

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hey. There were about 8,600

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service members who were kicked out against their

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will.

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And for those 8,600,

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they will offer them

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back

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pay, and then also also they will credit

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them as time served,

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the time lost between the day that they

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left service and the day that they would

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be reinstated. Okay. So if that's a three

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year time period, they would credit them. First

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of all, they would pay them for those

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three years Mhmm. And then credit them towards

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retirement or whatever,

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those three years as if they had been

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served. Now that's a great thing. Yeah. But

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you're making a dis you're making this very

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clear distinction between

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those who were voluntarily kicked out Mhmm. Which

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is only 8,600,

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and then the 100 k plus that were

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voluntarily kicked out. You know, you're you're kinda

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you're drawing that distinction where I think that

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that distinction is not quite as clear as

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you wanna make it. So

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and the other thing is even when they

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try to give the back pay to this

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group that they consider to be those that

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were involuntarily kicked out,

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they're doing a bunch of of calculations to

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try and and determine what salary offsets they

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should be to decrease the actual back pay

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that they're gonna give you. You know? Right.

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So all told,

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are are people

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banging on the door of the of of

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the military to get back in? No. Right.

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No. They don't wanna enter back into that

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abusive relationship.

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And then, also

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so we have about we have if you

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if you count all of our active duty

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troops

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and your guard troops and your reserve troops,

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it's over 2,000,000. Mhmm. So 8,600

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out of 2,000,000 doesn't seem like a very

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large number. Right. But one but but it

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again, that's the number DOD wants you to

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focus on because that is the number of

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troops that were kicked out against their own

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will. Right. This number of 100 k, which

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may be a conservative estimate. I imagine. Yeah.

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Well, obviously, that's a much larger percentage of

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the overall force. Right. But even that

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so so of that number, how many have

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come back into the military so far? 13.

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Wow.

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So 13 out of 8,600

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is a tiny percentage.

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13 out of 100 k is a much,

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much, much smaller percentage. I think see, my

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I mean, tell me if you if you

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share this view. It seems obvious that if

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you look at the real main distinction between

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those two groups, it's one of them that

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seems to act

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there's plenty I it it's hard to decide.

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If somebody wanted to stay and stick it

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out to make a point, there's there's something

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to be said about that. But the people

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that decided to resign,

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there's principle in that. Yeah. You know, that

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you're saying, I'm I'm willing to sacrifice my

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everything in order to stand with this principle.

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That terrifies

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a dishonest, unjust system. Right? And I think

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that's where it really comes down to, or

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just a financial motive to recognize, hey. If

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we lean into this number, we can pretend,

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like, you know, save all of the effort

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that might you know, those are my opinions

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on it. I I would agree with both

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of those. Mhmm. Yeah. So

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so how do you

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create action

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and then make it look like you're doing

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more than you are? Oh, look at this

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process we put in. Look at all these

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overtures that we're making to these people that

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were wronged. Mhmm. But they're not actually doing

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nearly as much as they as as they

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want you to believe that they're doing. And

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I believe I bet you they knew they

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wouldn't come back as well because of the

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obvious reasons. Of course. Of course. And then

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also from the perspective of DOD, they also

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I think they don't they don't really want

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you back. Right. And so

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why?

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Because the military is not done doing

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the type of unjust actions that they did

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over the last couple of years. That that

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hasn't ended.

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Right. You know? Because it's not it doesn't

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change based on partisanship with something that we

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don't

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share. Right. Well, so in regard to the

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declaration, the, of accountability.

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Mhmm. So you pretty much already touched on

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it, but is there any other way that

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you think so, basically, you you described it

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as there's a group of people in there

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that that really want this and believe in

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it, but that at least in the beginning

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felt that Trump's administration

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would would be the thing that brought that

533
00:18:34,454 --> 00:18:36,279
change on. First part of it, do you

534
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,180
are they

535
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,240
where do you feel they are right now?

536
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,000
Are they starting to feel disillusioned by that,

537
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,380
and have there been any positive

538
00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,019
movements from that? Yeah. Yeah. So

539
00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:49,099
so the the whole military accountability

540
00:18:51,164 --> 00:18:53,505
was more of an effort than an actual

541
00:18:53,644 --> 00:18:54,144
organization.

542
00:18:54,444 --> 00:18:57,005
Mhmm. Okay? And a lot of people would

543
00:18:57,244 --> 00:18:59,005
sometimes they would come to me or whomever,

544
00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:01,244
and they would say, hey, you guys should

545
00:19:01,244 --> 00:19:03,724
create some sort of, you know, organization. And

546
00:19:03,724 --> 00:19:04,224
we

547
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,660
we never quite went that route because

548
00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:08,799
for you know, people are busy. They got

549
00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,440
other endeavors they're they're, they're involved in. But

550
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:11,940
also,

551
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:13,940
we all

552
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,080
we didn't even 100%

553
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,600
agree on this issue. Now, here's where we

554
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,340
did agree.

555
00:19:19,384 --> 00:19:21,325
We knew that what was happening was wrong,

556
00:19:21,704 --> 00:19:23,325
and we largely shared

557
00:19:24,105 --> 00:19:26,264
a lot of the same goals that we

558
00:19:26,264 --> 00:19:27,404
wanted to see achieved.

559
00:19:28,024 --> 00:19:30,424
We did not necessarily agree, though, in in

560
00:19:30,424 --> 00:19:32,684
our entire strategic picture of the environment

561
00:19:33,140 --> 00:19:35,539
or the pathway to achieve those goals. Right.

562
00:19:35,539 --> 00:19:37,380
That's what you started to have. That's right.

563
00:19:37,380 --> 00:19:39,380
That's where you started to have some, some,

564
00:19:39,779 --> 00:19:42,279
kind of some strategic differences of agreement. Mhmm.

565
00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:44,279
And and that's okay. Right. But

566
00:19:45,154 --> 00:19:47,154
but that can also create some tension. Now

567
00:19:47,154 --> 00:19:48,774
a little bit of tension could be healthy.

568
00:19:48,835 --> 00:19:51,474
Mhmm. A little bit more than what is

569
00:19:51,474 --> 00:19:54,194
healthy can be, you know, slightly disruptive. And

570
00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:55,815
so, you know, within our

571
00:19:56,755 --> 00:19:58,115
within our groups, there would, you know, there

572
00:19:58,115 --> 00:19:59,660
would be some conversations, tense

573
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,980
as to kind of, not necessarily

574
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,080
the goals, but kind of the strategic read

575
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,740
on what exactly is happening. Mhmm.

576
00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:11,180
Who are the

577
00:20:11,765 --> 00:20:12,424
who are

578
00:20:12,725 --> 00:20:14,424
the influencers or the interlocutors

579
00:20:14,725 --> 00:20:16,985
that we should be engaging with in dialogue

580
00:20:17,045 --> 00:20:20,005
to try and achieve this or this? Because

581
00:20:20,005 --> 00:20:21,605
here's what was happening during that same time

582
00:20:21,605 --> 00:20:22,105
period.

583
00:20:23,285 --> 00:20:24,585
We had people giving

584
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,200
a lot of interviews, even on some pretty

585
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:27,940
big platforms.

586
00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:30,319
We had people who were writing op eds

587
00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:31,140
or writing

588
00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:34,000
subset posts. We had people who were in

589
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,319
DC engaging with members of Congress, which which

590
00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,159
achieved very, very little, by the way. Tends

591
00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:39,359
to. Yeah. There were,

592
00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:40,484
court cases,

593
00:20:41,444 --> 00:20:44,105
which, I don't wanna say achieved zero ground.

594
00:20:44,325 --> 00:20:45,144
Some of them

595
00:20:45,525 --> 00:20:47,285
some of them were helpful. There there were

596
00:20:47,285 --> 00:20:49,204
some victories, but on the whole, it was

597
00:20:49,204 --> 00:20:49,944
very little.

598
00:20:50,404 --> 00:20:52,005
So you get to a point where it's

599
00:20:52,005 --> 00:20:52,505
like,

600
00:20:53,099 --> 00:20:56,700
okay. We've approached the we we've approached within

601
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:57,200
DOD,

602
00:20:58,059 --> 00:20:59,440
haven't gotten a lot of support.

603
00:20:59,819 --> 00:21:01,259
Certainly didn't get a lot of support from

604
00:21:01,259 --> 00:21:02,940
the president, meaning Biden. I would say we

605
00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:04,380
still haven't gotten a lot of support from

606
00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:04,880
Trump.

607
00:21:05,404 --> 00:21:06,684
We haven't gotten a lot of support from

608
00:21:06,684 --> 00:21:07,345
the legislature

609
00:21:07,804 --> 00:21:10,065
or from the judicial branch. So

610
00:21:10,845 --> 00:21:12,765
where do you go? In fact, this was

611
00:21:12,765 --> 00:21:13,904
Rob Green's assessment

612
00:21:14,284 --> 00:21:15,505
when he decided to

613
00:21:15,884 --> 00:21:17,644
write a letter to the American people, hence

614
00:21:17,644 --> 00:21:19,859
the declaration of military accountability. We can't get

615
00:21:19,859 --> 00:21:21,220
any help from any of the branches of

616
00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:23,779
government. Mhmm. How do you appeal higher? Well,

617
00:21:23,779 --> 00:21:25,380
you take it to We the People. That

618
00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:28,279
was Right. That was the driving idea behind

619
00:21:28,579 --> 00:21:30,099
this open letter to the public, you know,

620
00:21:30,099 --> 00:21:31,640
the declaration of military accountability.

621
00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:33,880
So so where are we now?

622
00:21:35,214 --> 00:21:36,674
Yeah. You're the

623
00:21:37,534 --> 00:21:38,815
yeah. And and I can only kinda speak

624
00:21:38,815 --> 00:21:40,414
for myself, but I know that there are

625
00:21:40,494 --> 00:21:43,054
I know some people within this, this basic

626
00:21:43,054 --> 00:21:45,375
effort have some some slightly different opinions than

627
00:21:45,375 --> 00:21:47,774
I do, and that's okay. But I do

628
00:21:47,774 --> 00:21:48,515
think that

629
00:21:49,090 --> 00:21:51,110
people are starting to maybe reassess

630
00:21:52,049 --> 00:21:55,009
their read on the strategic environment and and

631
00:21:55,009 --> 00:21:55,910
at least say,

632
00:21:56,289 --> 00:21:56,789
hey.

633
00:21:57,330 --> 00:21:59,490
Maybe things aren't quite the way that I

634
00:21:59,490 --> 00:22:01,755
thought they were gonna be. And it's just

635
00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:03,434
very healthy and positive. You know? And it's

636
00:22:03,515 --> 00:22:05,115
and I get it. I mean, I get

637
00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:07,595
and completely understand why somebody would want to

638
00:22:07,595 --> 00:22:09,035
hope for the best outcome. And we should

639
00:22:09,035 --> 00:22:10,795
always do that. Right? Just don't let that

640
00:22:10,795 --> 00:22:13,434
completely overtake what's actually happening. And I think

641
00:22:13,434 --> 00:22:15,230
that now is a very clear time. It

642
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:16,750
was plenty of we'll we'll go over some

643
00:22:16,750 --> 00:22:18,429
of them in a moment. Yeah. There's plenty

644
00:22:18,429 --> 00:22:20,429
of indications that this is just not that

645
00:22:20,429 --> 00:22:21,409
there's a lot of

646
00:22:22,269 --> 00:22:24,750
narrative statements that just don't match what's actually

647
00:22:24,750 --> 00:22:26,429
happening. Yeah. So I'm glad I'm I mean,

648
00:22:26,429 --> 00:22:28,190
I'm I'm hoping that people are starting to

649
00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:30,164
see that because the I'm glad you didn't

650
00:22:30,164 --> 00:22:32,164
do it in organization direction. I do I

651
00:22:32,164 --> 00:22:34,245
think that right now, it's very easy for

652
00:22:34,245 --> 00:22:36,085
these these things to get co opted, especially

653
00:22:36,085 --> 00:22:37,924
with something that large. Yep. Right? I think

654
00:22:37,924 --> 00:22:39,365
reaching out to the American people, I think

655
00:22:39,365 --> 00:22:40,725
we said in the last interview Yep. Was

656
00:22:40,725 --> 00:22:42,005
the right way to go because that's where

657
00:22:42,005 --> 00:22:44,519
the change is happening. Yeah. That's So so

658
00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:46,360
you you said something very important that I

659
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:47,420
actually wanna touch on.

660
00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:48,460
Mhmm. So

661
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:49,240
I

662
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,400
from day one, which would be 01/01/2024,

663
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,759
I mean, that's the day that our our,

664
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,240
declaration of military accountability, which we call the

665
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,335
DMA Mhmm. The day that it hit the

666
00:22:59,335 --> 00:22:59,835
streets.

667
00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:02,634
And it

668
00:23:03,335 --> 00:23:03,835
was,

669
00:23:04,694 --> 00:23:06,474
it created a lot of momentum

670
00:23:06,775 --> 00:23:07,994
immediately. Mhmm.

671
00:23:08,375 --> 00:23:11,434
And I remember thinking on that very day,

672
00:23:11,815 --> 00:23:13,994
there there there's a risk here.

673
00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:15,240
Because

674
00:23:16,099 --> 00:23:18,419
if you if you wanna look at this

675
00:23:18,419 --> 00:23:20,419
as a partisan issue, which I don't, but

676
00:23:20,419 --> 00:23:21,559
a lot of people do,

677
00:23:21,859 --> 00:23:23,299
if you wanna look at this as a

678
00:23:23,299 --> 00:23:24,279
partisan issue,

679
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:27,720
we have just given you fodder that reinforces

680
00:23:28,019 --> 00:23:29,855
that. Now we were very much trying to

681
00:23:29,855 --> 00:23:30,515
keep ourselves

682
00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:32,654
kinda apolitical because a lot of the people

683
00:23:32,654 --> 00:23:35,214
that signed this document were still currently serving.

684
00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:36,755
Okay. So so the document

685
00:23:37,214 --> 00:23:39,054
on its face had nothing to do with

686
00:23:39,054 --> 00:23:41,214
one political party or the other. Mhmm. It

687
00:23:41,214 --> 00:23:43,375
was it was very neutral, very apolitical in

688
00:23:43,375 --> 00:23:44,034
that regard.

689
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:46,170
But people are people,

690
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:48,230
and even people who serve in the military,

691
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:49,910
I mean, they still vote. They still have

692
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:51,990
you you they may still be affiliated with

693
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:54,009
one party or another or whatever.

694
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:55,210
And so

695
00:23:55,670 --> 00:23:57,350
when you look at the environment and you

696
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:58,410
say, you know what?

697
00:23:59,835 --> 00:24:01,055
Even if it was unintentional,

698
00:24:01,835 --> 00:24:05,134
we have put some fuel into this engine

699
00:24:05,434 --> 00:24:06,335
that reinforces

700
00:24:07,275 --> 00:24:09,195
this kind of two party dynamic. You mean

701
00:24:09,195 --> 00:24:11,355
because you released it under one administration, so

702
00:24:11,355 --> 00:24:13,674
the perception is that it's against one person

703
00:24:13,674 --> 00:24:15,419
together? Could be that this was was anti

704
00:24:15,419 --> 00:24:18,000
Biden, which we which we never said. Mhmm.

705
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:20,140
I I would never say that anyway because

706
00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:21,740
I think the problem is much broader. Mhmm.

707
00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:23,259
But even those who might have felt that

708
00:24:23,259 --> 00:24:25,980
way wouldn't have necessarily said that. So so

709
00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:28,220
this would be unintentional, but here's where you

710
00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:31,055
run the risk, though, of being potentially co

711
00:24:31,055 --> 00:24:32,654
opted even if you don't mean to. Right.

712
00:24:32,654 --> 00:24:33,934
And this is something that I think happens

713
00:24:33,934 --> 00:24:35,715
all the time, is people

714
00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:37,715
people are sincere,

715
00:24:38,654 --> 00:24:40,994
but their effort that they are involved in

716
00:24:41,055 --> 00:24:43,109
can be twisted to serve a certain purpose.

717
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:44,710
I think that's most of what's happening today.

718
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:46,390
Sure. Absolutely. I really do. And so this

719
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:48,710
is something that I realized. I remember thinking

720
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:51,910
about this on the evening of 01/01/2024

721
00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:53,450
because we held so,

722
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:56,150
I sent so what happened on that day

723
00:24:56,150 --> 00:24:58,654
was I I took the DMA, which is

724
00:24:58,654 --> 00:24:59,474
a one pager.

725
00:25:00,575 --> 00:25:01,775
People can find it, by the way, at

726
00:25:01,775 --> 00:25:03,055
militaryaccountability.net.

727
00:25:03,055 --> 00:25:04,255
It'll be included in the show notes so

728
00:25:04,255 --> 00:25:05,295
you can check it out. And,

729
00:25:06,095 --> 00:25:08,195
so so I took that document,

730
00:25:08,815 --> 00:25:10,259
and I emailed it

731
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:13,299
to, I can't remember exactly how many, 12

732
00:25:13,299 --> 00:25:15,700
or 15 senior military officers. Mhmm. Some of

733
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:17,079
whom are are named

734
00:25:17,619 --> 00:25:19,940
in the DMA specifically because of the egregious

735
00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:22,900
actions they had committed. Right. Now this document

736
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,500
is not addressed to them. It's addressed to

737
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:26,505
the American public. Right. But we sent it

738
00:25:26,505 --> 00:25:28,205
to these senior military leaders,

739
00:25:28,664 --> 00:25:29,164
basically,

740
00:25:29,465 --> 00:25:30,205
to say,

741
00:25:30,825 --> 00:25:32,285
hey. We've written this document.

742
00:25:32,664 --> 00:25:34,904
We've signed it. This document is about ready

743
00:25:34,904 --> 00:25:36,585
to hit the streets, just so you know.

744
00:25:36,585 --> 00:25:38,505
Right. And I sent that. Now why did

745
00:25:38,505 --> 00:25:39,404
I send it?

746
00:25:39,779 --> 00:25:41,779
Well, Rob and I spoke about this, and

747
00:25:41,779 --> 00:25:43,559
and and we agreed that

748
00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:45,380
even though a bunch of us have signed

749
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:47,539
it, you know, Rob is the primary author,

750
00:25:47,539 --> 00:25:48,900
but but a lot of us had a

751
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,840
hand in kind of the final revisions, etcetera.

752
00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:52,980
But that I might be the best candidate

753
00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:53,480
to

754
00:25:54,115 --> 00:25:55,154
to put it out there because I was

755
00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:56,755
no longer serving. So I'm less of a

756
00:25:56,755 --> 00:25:58,994
target. I'm not in uniform. Yeah. And because,

757
00:25:58,994 --> 00:26:00,115
you know, maybe I had a little bit

758
00:26:00,115 --> 00:26:01,634
of street cred because I've been a battalion

759
00:26:01,634 --> 00:26:03,474
commander Mhmm. Who had been fired and then

760
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:06,034
had had resigned at nineteen years. Hundred and

761
00:26:06,034 --> 00:26:07,634
first, no less. I mean, that that has

762
00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:09,950
prominence. So so in any case,

763
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:12,730
I was like, yeah. I'll I'll I'll put

764
00:26:12,730 --> 00:26:14,089
it out there. I will be the one

765
00:26:14,089 --> 00:26:16,490
to send an email to, the chairman of

766
00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:18,089
the joint chiefs, you know, the highest ranking

767
00:26:18,089 --> 00:26:20,750
uniformed officer, and other generals and admirals,

768
00:26:21,214 --> 00:26:22,575
and say, hey. Heads up. This is about

769
00:26:22,575 --> 00:26:23,934
ready to hit the streets. So I did

770
00:26:23,934 --> 00:26:25,134
that at 4AM

771
00:26:25,134 --> 00:26:27,634
DC time, 01/01/2024,

772
00:26:27,934 --> 00:26:30,174
when most of America was was either asleep

773
00:26:30,174 --> 00:26:31,934
or or still partying from, you know, New

774
00:26:31,934 --> 00:26:32,515
Year's Eve.

775
00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:33,890
And,

776
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:36,430
I turned right around, and then on my,

777
00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:38,130
you know, my Twitter and my ex account,

778
00:26:38,910 --> 00:26:40,349
I made a post within a couple of

779
00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:42,750
minutes, and I put a screenshot of the

780
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:43,250
DMA.

781
00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:45,309
And that post in the last year and

782
00:26:45,309 --> 00:26:47,444
a half has had almost 5,000,000 views. Yeah.

783
00:26:47,524 --> 00:26:49,764
But that is the exact moment that that

784
00:26:49,764 --> 00:26:50,664
that that document

785
00:26:51,204 --> 00:26:53,204
would have been publicly visible for the first

786
00:26:53,204 --> 00:26:53,704
time.

787
00:26:54,164 --> 00:26:55,365
And then we took it, we hung it

788
00:26:55,365 --> 00:26:56,964
on a website, and and, you know, and

789
00:26:56,964 --> 00:26:59,125
then we we further socialized it from there.

790
00:26:59,125 --> 00:27:01,684
Real quick. 5,000,000 views. Mhmm. I mean, this

791
00:27:01,684 --> 00:27:04,029
is that's viral. I mean, the the world

792
00:27:04,029 --> 00:27:05,629
saw that. You know? And that mean and

793
00:27:05,629 --> 00:27:08,429
5,000,000 views are just just that means far

794
00:27:08,429 --> 00:27:10,589
more than that actually digested that, saw that,

795
00:27:10,589 --> 00:27:12,909
shared that, took screenshots of themselves and shared

796
00:27:12,909 --> 00:27:14,509
it. My what I'm saying is that it's

797
00:27:14,509 --> 00:27:16,529
really interesting to see how that can happen,

798
00:27:16,625 --> 00:27:18,465
and that's the point that that's where the

799
00:27:18,465 --> 00:27:20,545
change is happening. People wanted this. They know

800
00:27:20,545 --> 00:27:22,144
that, and I think it's such an important

801
00:27:22,144 --> 00:27:23,664
line to show that I mean, it shows

802
00:27:23,664 --> 00:27:25,505
you the government does not represent the American

803
00:27:25,505 --> 00:27:26,785
people in a very clear way. That's right.

804
00:27:26,785 --> 00:27:28,644
That's right. And at the time,

805
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:30,929
I think at that time, I had,

806
00:27:32,509 --> 00:27:33,009
maybe,

807
00:27:33,869 --> 00:27:36,509
I wanna say less than than than,

808
00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:39,549
than 5,000 followers. I had a pretty small

809
00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:41,230
following on Twitter this time. Oh, god. That's

810
00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:44,246
crazy. And it but it generated that. And,

811
00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:46,806
I mean, it it started immediately. So that

812
00:27:46,806 --> 00:27:49,687
night at, like, I don't know, 8PM eastern,

813
00:27:49,687 --> 00:27:52,248
you know, if I put it out at

814
00:27:52,248 --> 00:27:55,450
4AM, so, you know, roughly at 8PM eastern,

815
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:57,849
right, the same day. So sixteen hours later,

816
00:27:57,849 --> 00:27:59,450
we held a we held a a Twitter

817
00:27:59,450 --> 00:28:00,750
space that just had

818
00:28:01,130 --> 00:28:01,789
a ton

819
00:28:02,170 --> 00:28:04,570
of people get involved and speak with members

820
00:28:04,570 --> 00:28:06,089
of congress in there. It was really crazy.

821
00:28:06,089 --> 00:28:07,630
Nice. But this is when

822
00:28:08,089 --> 00:28:08,830
I realized,

823
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:10,670
if we're not careful,

824
00:28:11,345 --> 00:28:13,424
this could be used in a way to

825
00:28:13,424 --> 00:28:14,644
reinforce some ideas

826
00:28:14,945 --> 00:28:17,105
that I'm not out there trying to trying

827
00:28:17,105 --> 00:28:19,424
to promote. Now, at the same time, I

828
00:28:19,424 --> 00:28:21,205
had to I had to also say,

829
00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:25,470
yep. There are people who can use this

830
00:28:25,470 --> 00:28:28,190
to reinforce this two party dynamic, you know,

831
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:31,329
the the elephant versus donkey smokescreen. Mhmm.

832
00:28:32,429 --> 00:28:34,669
But but I can't let that affect what

833
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:36,325
I am trying to do because I do

834
00:28:36,325 --> 00:28:38,565
believe that there should be military accountability. Mhmm.

835
00:28:38,565 --> 00:28:39,924
I don't wanna use it to try and

836
00:28:39,924 --> 00:28:42,244
paint Democrats as bad and therefore Republicans as

837
00:28:42,244 --> 00:28:43,865
good. Right. That's not helpful either.

838
00:28:44,244 --> 00:28:46,085
But and I don't want people to take

839
00:28:46,085 --> 00:28:47,525
what we're doing and try and do that,

840
00:28:47,525 --> 00:28:49,365
but I can't not do it just because

841
00:28:49,365 --> 00:28:51,880
somebody might take our words Mhmm. And twist

842
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,039
them to to mean something that we're not

843
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,000
actually saying. Mhmm. Well, that you have to.

844
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,559
I mean, that that's about principle. You know?

845
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:58,539
And so but, nonetheless,

846
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,160
even though well, that always happens as you

847
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,480
know. Yep. Always always. And remember what movement

848
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,125
you look at, there's always some element to

849
00:29:05,125 --> 00:29:06,565
co opt it, whether from government or something

850
00:29:06,565 --> 00:29:08,085
else. But it still has a you know,

851
00:29:08,085 --> 00:29:09,605
the positive effect is still there, which I

852
00:29:09,605 --> 00:29:11,224
think, especially when you have an administration

853
00:29:11,605 --> 00:29:13,444
shooting themselves in both feet, it makes it

854
00:29:13,444 --> 00:29:15,045
easier for people to see, even if they

855
00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:17,470
first accepted it as that's the one side

856
00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:19,309
bad. Now they're seeing the other side of

857
00:29:19,309 --> 00:29:20,669
it. You know? And so this that's why

858
00:29:20,669 --> 00:29:22,349
this is so important to keep this momentum

859
00:29:22,349 --> 00:29:24,269
going because maybe people will stumble back through

860
00:29:24,269 --> 00:29:26,429
this and recognize now even the full picture

861
00:29:26,429 --> 00:29:27,630
as opposed to only half of it the

862
00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:29,630
first time. So so it's interesting because

863
00:29:31,115 --> 00:29:33,515
so fast forward, and we get closer to,

864
00:29:34,154 --> 00:29:36,154
you know, to election season. Now, do I

865
00:29:36,154 --> 00:29:36,894
believe that

866
00:29:37,355 --> 00:29:39,115
elections are free and fair? No. Of course

867
00:29:39,115 --> 00:29:40,634
not. Did I did I vote in a

868
00:29:40,634 --> 00:29:43,355
twenty twenty four presidential election? No. Right. Did

869
00:29:43,355 --> 00:29:44,640
I vote in 2020?

870
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,820
No. Did I vote in 2016?

871
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:47,859
No.

872
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,460
So so

873
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,400
it's kinda funny because, like, I've never been

874
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,839
to Trump. I've never voted for Trump. Mhmm.

875
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:55,359
But I've also never voted against Trump. You

876
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:57,759
know? Anyway so anyway yeah. So so whatever.

877
00:29:57,759 --> 00:29:58,000
But,

878
00:29:58,914 --> 00:30:00,595
and and I will also say, because I

879
00:30:00,595 --> 00:30:02,674
get called a Trump hater a lot. Yeah.

880
00:30:02,674 --> 00:30:04,914
But if you forced me if you forced

881
00:30:04,914 --> 00:30:07,255
me to pick in the last three elections

882
00:30:08,275 --> 00:30:09,875
between Trump and any of his opponents, I

883
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,380
would have picked Trump all three times. You

884
00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:12,980
know, I had a similar conversation with Catherine

885
00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:14,740
Austin Fitts for similar reasons, and I you

886
00:30:14,740 --> 00:30:16,740
know, there's there's an argument that could be

887
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:17,859
made is the way I framed it then.

888
00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:19,539
If you're looking at objectively at what we

889
00:30:19,539 --> 00:30:21,099
have only right in front of us, then

890
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:22,740
yeah. But my point is the same is

891
00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:24,904
that that's that is operating within the broken

892
00:30:24,904 --> 00:30:26,144
game. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

893
00:30:26,585 --> 00:30:27,625
Or to win is not to play. Yeah.

894
00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:29,305
That's right. Yeah. I don't play rigged games.

895
00:30:29,305 --> 00:30:30,045
Right. Right.

896
00:30:31,464 --> 00:30:33,464
But but the reason I say that is

897
00:30:33,464 --> 00:30:34,605
because so

898
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,920
so take what I just said about the

899
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,019
DMA and and and my realization,

900
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,580
you know, within the strategic environment,

901
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,960
hey, there there is a risk here that

902
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,740
we at least have to manage. You know?

903
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:48,619
So fast forward, and and now we're in

904
00:30:48,924 --> 00:30:51,505
kind of kinda deep into campaign season. Mhmm.

905
00:30:51,964 --> 00:30:53,724
And people were coming at me, and they

906
00:30:53,724 --> 00:30:56,125
were saying, how come you're always so critical

907
00:30:56,125 --> 00:30:58,204
of Trump? You never you never criticize Biden

908
00:30:58,204 --> 00:30:58,865
or Kamala.

909
00:30:59,644 --> 00:31:01,164
And so I I put out a couple

910
00:31:01,164 --> 00:31:03,325
of posts on, on x about this because

911
00:31:03,325 --> 00:31:04,224
I was like,

912
00:31:05,170 --> 00:31:07,570
because I I thought I was very, very

913
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:09,650
convinced that they were gonna put Trump back

914
00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:12,130
in. Mhmm. I'm not saying I necessarily realized

915
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:14,529
that a year out, but I would say

916
00:31:14,529 --> 00:31:15,809
seven or eight months out, I was I

917
00:31:15,809 --> 00:31:17,494
was convinced they were gonna put I think

918
00:31:17,494 --> 00:31:18,855
we shared the same thought in that last

919
00:31:18,855 --> 00:31:20,375
interview. I mean, it I thought the point

920
00:31:20,375 --> 00:31:22,615
was or when time went the timing of

921
00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:23,975
the time, my timing might be right. But

922
00:31:23,975 --> 00:31:25,255
the point is I think we've shared this

923
00:31:25,255 --> 00:31:26,235
thought that

924
00:31:26,934 --> 00:31:28,695
not like we're psychic, but that it makes

925
00:31:28,695 --> 00:31:30,134
sense that Trump would be, like, with the

926
00:31:30,134 --> 00:31:32,970
COVID point, that he's gonna allow the right

927
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:35,450
like, give the people the excuse to dismiss

928
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:36,769
what's happening. That's right. That's right. And I

929
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:38,250
I also and I said this on the

930
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:40,890
day of, so July 13 in in Butler,

931
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:42,650
Pennsylvania. Mhmm. Yeah. I mean, I thought that

932
00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:44,009
was I thought that was staged. I still

933
00:31:44,009 --> 00:31:45,610
think it's staged. I said that the day

934
00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:48,125
of. Yeah. So that day, I knew for

935
00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:50,125
sure. Mhmm. Oh, they're they're they're going with

936
00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:51,424
they're going with Trump. Mhmm.

937
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:54,445
I also thought that I mean, there's been

938
00:31:54,445 --> 00:31:56,525
some theatrics with Elon now, you know, in

939
00:31:56,525 --> 00:31:58,065
the last month or so. But

940
00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:00,339
but they also weren't gonna have Elon because

941
00:32:00,339 --> 00:32:02,259
Elon is such a a pivotal player as

942
00:32:02,259 --> 00:32:03,700
well in this whole game. Yeah. For the

943
00:32:03,859 --> 00:32:05,779
They're not gonna have Elon yeah. They're not

944
00:32:05,779 --> 00:32:07,779
gonna have Elon back the guy that's gonna

945
00:32:07,779 --> 00:32:09,559
come out on the wrong end of the

946
00:32:09,619 --> 00:32:12,759
election. Mhmm. So anyway but people would say,

947
00:32:13,424 --> 00:32:15,904
why why do you criticize Trump and you

948
00:32:15,904 --> 00:32:17,904
don't criticize Biden or Kamala? And I would

949
00:32:17,904 --> 00:32:18,565
say, well,

950
00:32:19,825 --> 00:32:21,664
I think Kamala is running a so first

951
00:32:21,664 --> 00:32:23,744
of all, Biden was a stooge all along.

952
00:32:23,744 --> 00:32:25,184
He was supposed to be a stooge. Mhmm.

953
00:32:25,184 --> 00:32:26,404
He was playing his role.

954
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,320
Whether he was doing that deliberately or whether

955
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,579
that just is whatever. Yeah. Whatever.

956
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:33,339
And I think,

957
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Kamala, I don't even think, put together a

958
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,039
real campaign. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I don't

959
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,480
think she was running to win. Yeah. She

960
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,720
probably knew. So so in my mind, it

961
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,220
was

962
00:32:42,984 --> 00:32:44,924
if I expend a lot of energy

963
00:32:45,384 --> 00:32:47,944
on her when she's basically a decoy Mhmm.

964
00:32:48,105 --> 00:32:50,924
But expending energy on her is to basically

965
00:32:51,544 --> 00:32:54,204
push in the direction of the PSIOP. Right.

966
00:32:54,345 --> 00:32:57,179
Whereas to push back against Trump is to

967
00:32:57,179 --> 00:33:00,139
push against the direction of the psyop. Even

968
00:33:00,139 --> 00:33:01,740
though if you were to ask me between

969
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:02,859
the two of them, which I prefer, I

970
00:33:02,859 --> 00:33:04,779
prefer Trump a 100 times over. But but

971
00:33:04,779 --> 00:33:05,980
I don't have to pick between the two

972
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:07,339
of them. Right. But by design is your

973
00:33:07,339 --> 00:33:08,859
point. That's exactly how it's going to work.

974
00:33:08,859 --> 00:33:10,700
Yes. And, you know, and, obviously, feel free

975
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,194
to question this. So we're not psychic, but

976
00:33:12,194 --> 00:33:14,194
the obvious point is that it's just logic.

977
00:33:14,194 --> 00:33:15,554
And you can see the way this goes.

978
00:33:15,554 --> 00:33:16,694
Why what suits

979
00:33:16,994 --> 00:33:18,994
if we're correct about the bigger picture, what

980
00:33:18,994 --> 00:33:20,994
best suits the empire. Right? And this is

981
00:33:20,994 --> 00:33:22,595
exactly what seems to line up. But I

982
00:33:22,595 --> 00:33:24,119
would even more so add to that that

983
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:26,759
your criticisms are aimed not I mean, I

984
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:28,359
can't speak to everything you've said, but not

985
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:30,279
at Trump as a person, but at Trump

986
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,599
who is running the government. Right? So it's

987
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:34,599
it's regard whether her or him, I bet

988
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:35,960
your criticism would have been the same. That's

989
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,960
right. That's how it came. Exactly. You know,

990
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,460
so,

991
00:33:40,774 --> 00:33:43,554
I there's this idea that I've been communicating,

992
00:33:43,775 --> 00:33:45,934
you know, and thinking a lot about recently,

993
00:33:45,934 --> 00:33:47,454
and I I even did a a video

994
00:33:47,454 --> 00:33:48,335
about it recently. But,

995
00:33:49,775 --> 00:33:51,714
but it kinda boils down to,

996
00:33:53,099 --> 00:33:55,099
principles first and then people. And so what

997
00:33:55,099 --> 00:33:56,940
I mean by that is, not that people

998
00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:59,500
aren't important, of course, but figure out what

999
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:01,820
your principles are. And then as you stand

1000
00:34:01,820 --> 00:34:03,500
on your principles and as you live in

1001
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:06,380
alignment with those principles, you will naturally find

1002
00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:06,960
the people

1003
00:34:07,414 --> 00:34:09,494
who are similarly minded. I love it. But

1004
00:34:09,494 --> 00:34:10,155
when you

1005
00:34:10,695 --> 00:34:13,014
when you seek to congregate with certain people

1006
00:34:13,014 --> 00:34:15,175
first Mhmm. What happens when you then realize

1007
00:34:15,175 --> 00:34:17,494
their principles aren't your principles? So now take

1008
00:34:17,494 --> 00:34:19,094
that one step further. What can you extrapolate

1009
00:34:19,094 --> 00:34:20,394
from that? So think about

1010
00:34:22,030 --> 00:34:24,349
this is why populism is so dangerous as

1011
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:26,289
a political movement. Right? Mhmm. Because

1012
00:34:27,469 --> 00:34:29,309
it's not that charisma is bad, but there's

1013
00:34:29,309 --> 00:34:31,869
gotta be some character behind the charisma. Substance.

1014
00:34:31,869 --> 00:34:33,704
Yeah. Otherwise, yeah, you may you might be

1015
00:34:33,704 --> 00:34:35,805
an inspirational person, but what are you inspiring

1016
00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:37,865
people to do? Are you inspiring them to

1017
00:34:37,865 --> 00:34:40,765
do something that is is great and noble,

1018
00:34:40,905 --> 00:34:43,465
helpful for themselves and helpful for others, or

1019
00:34:43,465 --> 00:34:45,465
are you just inspiring them to do something

1020
00:34:45,465 --> 00:34:45,965
that

1021
00:34:46,299 --> 00:34:48,539
that pushes things along in a predetermined way

1022
00:34:48,619 --> 00:34:49,900
Right. But has nothing to do with, you

1023
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:51,900
know, the interest of the American people. And

1024
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:52,400
so,

1025
00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:55,179
you know, so, you know, you take you

1026
00:34:55,179 --> 00:34:55,920
take a populist,

1027
00:34:56,299 --> 00:34:57,760
movement or something, and

1028
00:34:58,155 --> 00:34:59,835
you take that to its extreme, and you

1029
00:34:59,835 --> 00:35:01,755
have demagoguery, or you have a cult of

1030
00:35:01,755 --> 00:35:03,755
personality, and people are so wrapped up in

1031
00:35:03,755 --> 00:35:05,295
the personality of this figure,

1032
00:35:05,675 --> 00:35:07,695
and then there's no there's no guiding philosophy

1033
00:35:07,835 --> 00:35:10,094
there. Mhmm. There's no bedrock of values

1034
00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:13,170
that some guiding policy is rooted

1035
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:15,470
within. It's exactly what we're dealing with, which

1036
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:16,750
I know we agree on. You know? It

1037
00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:18,110
is it is I mean, and it's not

1038
00:35:18,110 --> 00:35:19,630
a secret. I mean, even right now, I

1039
00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:22,190
think the Trump MAGA movement, whatever, is grappling

1040
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:23,974
with this, the honest elements in there, which

1041
00:35:23,974 --> 00:35:25,894
I thought I think there's largely majority. I

1042
00:35:25,894 --> 00:35:28,055
think most people have were tricked into thinking

1043
00:35:28,055 --> 00:35:29,494
that's what they wanted. You know? Yep. And

1044
00:35:29,494 --> 00:35:31,974
now they're grappling with this. The the very

1045
00:35:31,974 --> 00:35:33,655
clear many characters we could call out by

1046
00:35:33,655 --> 00:35:35,515
name if we wanted to, they're just blind

1047
00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:37,739
support Trump. We'll change what they said yesterday

1048
00:35:37,739 --> 00:35:39,500
if Trump tells them to that day. Yeah.

1049
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:40,400
And that's terrifying.

1050
00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:43,200
But let let's let's get into some overlapping

1051
00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:45,180
points. I'll I'll let you decide right now.

1052
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:46,300
Do you you wanna go in the direction

1053
00:35:46,460 --> 00:35:48,219
because I'm enjoying the conversation we're having at

1054
00:35:48,219 --> 00:35:51,025
sort of a higher view of the the

1055
00:35:51,025 --> 00:35:53,025
psyop, right, and and how it's being played

1056
00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:54,864
bigger than partisanship. So do you wanna get

1057
00:35:54,864 --> 00:35:57,605
into some some foreign policy discussion about military

1058
00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,265
locations, or you want you wanted to get

1059
00:35:59,265 --> 00:36:01,505
into Epstein and, you know, the different parts

1060
00:36:01,505 --> 00:36:02,864
of who Trump is? What what would what'd

1061
00:36:02,864 --> 00:36:04,789
you rather talk about? Let's talk about,

1062
00:36:06,289 --> 00:36:08,050
kind of in in line with what we've

1063
00:36:08,050 --> 00:36:09,570
been talking about the last couple of minutes.

1064
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:11,809
Yeah. Let's maybe talk about this supposed twelve

1065
00:36:11,809 --> 00:36:13,650
day war between Israel and Iran. Okay. If

1066
00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:14,690
you wanna talk about that. So I got

1067
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:16,050
some thoughts, and then we can go wherever.

1068
00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:17,190
Mhmm. So,

1069
00:36:20,835 --> 00:36:22,434
so first of all, even if you just

1070
00:36:22,434 --> 00:36:24,755
take what we've been told, even just in

1071
00:36:24,755 --> 00:36:26,535
in mainstream sources or whatever.

1072
00:36:26,835 --> 00:36:27,335
So

1073
00:36:27,875 --> 00:36:29,414
Israel conducts a strike,

1074
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:31,889
which they call preemptive or whatever, but they

1075
00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:33,909
conduct a strike. Now there is

1076
00:36:34,289 --> 00:36:37,010
retaliation coming from Iran, which results in this

1077
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:39,010
twelve day war. But in the midst of

1078
00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:40,150
this twelve day war,

1079
00:36:40,449 --> 00:36:43,989
there are strikes performed by US service members,

1080
00:36:44,050 --> 00:36:45,269
you know? And so,

1081
00:36:45,764 --> 00:36:48,344
which makes us completely a belligerent

1082
00:36:48,644 --> 00:36:49,864
Oh, yeah. In that war.

1083
00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:52,644
So there's a lot there. There's a lot

1084
00:36:52,644 --> 00:36:54,885
to unpack. I also believe that and we're

1085
00:36:54,885 --> 00:36:57,045
still under a ceasefire, but I saw yesterday

1086
00:36:57,045 --> 00:36:59,719
that, that Israel was striking Syria. So Yep.

1087
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,760
Yep. We can talk about that today too

1088
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,359
if you want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

1089
00:37:02,359 --> 00:37:03,799
I first of all, I don't in any

1090
00:37:03,799 --> 00:37:05,000
way think that we've seen the end of

1091
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,859
this. Yeah. I agree. I also think

1092
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,179
from a big picture geopolitically,

1093
00:37:09,799 --> 00:37:12,119
we're gonna continue to see the stage set

1094
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:13,179
for war. Mhmm.

1095
00:37:13,755 --> 00:37:15,135
I would also say,

1096
00:37:16,315 --> 00:37:17,375
if you look at

1097
00:37:18,714 --> 00:37:20,414
what is the domestic counterpart

1098
00:37:21,434 --> 00:37:23,375
to the push for war abroad,

1099
00:37:24,074 --> 00:37:26,074
and I would say that is increased surveillance

1100
00:37:26,074 --> 00:37:27,630
here at home. Yeah. And so when you

1101
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,030
think about just the digital control grid, when

1102
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:31,569
you think about the way in which

1103
00:37:32,269 --> 00:37:32,929
AI can,

1104
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:36,049
can increase the sophistication

1105
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:39,150
of the digital control grid Mhmm. Then I

1106
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:40,269
think those are things that we have to

1107
00:37:40,269 --> 00:37:42,275
worry about. It so you mean in the

1108
00:37:42,275 --> 00:37:44,835
overlap being that one are they just two

1109
00:37:44,835 --> 00:37:46,595
parts of the same agenda or that the

1110
00:37:46,595 --> 00:37:48,675
war is there to justify that? How do

1111
00:37:48,675 --> 00:37:50,934
you see them connected? Yeah. Exactly. So, like,

1112
00:37:51,155 --> 00:37:52,755
so let's just use a a a very

1113
00:37:52,755 --> 00:37:54,055
simple example. Mhmm.

1114
00:37:56,059 --> 00:37:57,280
So the border.

1115
00:37:57,659 --> 00:37:58,159
So

1116
00:37:58,619 --> 00:37:59,119
immigration.

1117
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:02,140
Okay? But then, also, you hear these stories,

1118
00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:04,559
and it's it's, like, 2003 all over again.

1119
00:38:04,619 --> 00:38:07,019
But you hear these stories about supposed sleeper

1120
00:38:07,019 --> 00:38:09,574
cells that can infiltrate through our border because

1121
00:38:09,574 --> 00:38:11,894
our border is so porous, etcetera. So first

1122
00:38:11,894 --> 00:38:12,554
and foremost,

1123
00:38:12,855 --> 00:38:14,534
and this is something we have to we

1124
00:38:14,534 --> 00:38:15,835
have to realize, is that

1125
00:38:16,614 --> 00:38:19,014
when you think about problems and solutions kind

1126
00:38:19,014 --> 00:38:20,474
of in the Hegelian sense,

1127
00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:23,739
just because you recognize that the problem has

1128
00:38:23,739 --> 00:38:24,480
been engineered

1129
00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:27,739
to lead towards a predetermined solution, doesn't mean

1130
00:38:27,739 --> 00:38:30,300
that the problem isn't a problem. Yes. Yes.

1131
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,319
Important point. Yeah. Right. So so

1132
00:38:32,619 --> 00:38:35,385
if I if I think that there is

1133
00:38:35,385 --> 00:38:38,284
some complexity behind the the the border issue,

1134
00:38:38,425 --> 00:38:39,324
I'm not saying

1135
00:38:39,704 --> 00:38:41,784
that the border is not a problem. Right.

1136
00:38:41,784 --> 00:38:43,485
It is. What I'm saying is

1137
00:38:43,864 --> 00:38:45,965
the same people that are causing the problem

1138
00:38:46,105 --> 00:38:48,930
are trying to give you a solution. Right.

1139
00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:50,910
Right. And maybe we should be cautious about

1140
00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:52,989
that. But anyway Mhmm. But but if we

1141
00:38:52,989 --> 00:38:54,690
set that aside and we just think about

1142
00:38:55,309 --> 00:38:57,630
if if if we have some sort of

1143
00:38:57,630 --> 00:38:59,710
adversary that we have painted up as, hey,

1144
00:38:59,710 --> 00:39:01,390
that's the new boogeyman. In this case, you

1145
00:39:01,390 --> 00:39:02,849
know, let's just say Iran. Mhmm.

1146
00:39:03,605 --> 00:39:06,105
Then that can certainly be used

1147
00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:09,545
to try and scare the people into accepting

1148
00:39:10,244 --> 00:39:12,565
new increased security measures back home. And and

1149
00:39:12,565 --> 00:39:13,784
both being very real.

1150
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:16,170
That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

1151
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:17,449
Yeah. Well, I mean, I I call them,

1152
00:39:17,609 --> 00:39:19,530
like, a a landmine, like, like, in a

1153
00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:22,250
in a hypothetical or a metaphorical sense where,

1154
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:24,250
you know, people will like, same thing, like,

1155
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:25,929
with the two party illusion or anything for

1156
00:39:25,929 --> 00:39:27,609
that matter is that people tend to break

1157
00:39:27,609 --> 00:39:30,174
away. There's these moments of awareness, and there

1158
00:39:30,174 --> 00:39:32,295
are just landmines and traps laid for them

1159
00:39:32,295 --> 00:39:33,894
that they fall right into in thinking they've

1160
00:39:33,894 --> 00:39:35,735
discovered the new thing. QAnon was like that.

1161
00:39:35,735 --> 00:39:37,574
Mhmm. Right? Where people thought, oh, they discovered

1162
00:39:37,574 --> 00:39:39,094
Q. Now they can see everything, and they

1163
00:39:39,175 --> 00:39:40,775
even though that was just the first trap

1164
00:39:40,775 --> 00:39:42,534
laid the moment you pull your head out

1165
00:39:42,534 --> 00:39:43,894
of the problem. Yep. I think that's what

1166
00:39:43,894 --> 00:39:45,210
a lot of this stuff is, is they

1167
00:39:45,289 --> 00:39:46,190
they want to

1168
00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:48,409
believe that, you know, like, for my point

1169
00:39:48,409 --> 00:39:50,010
is with that's the point you made is

1170
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:51,929
that the landmine there being, you know, the

1171
00:39:51,929 --> 00:39:54,170
idea that that's fake as opposed to recognizing

1172
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:55,849
that, yes, that's a real problem, but they're

1173
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:57,625
using it to trap you here. They set

1174
00:39:57,625 --> 00:39:59,305
that there so they dismiss the whole thing.

1175
00:39:59,305 --> 00:40:01,305
That's right. That's right. That's right. Manipulation. And

1176
00:40:01,305 --> 00:40:03,785
I think it is wildly present right now,

1177
00:40:03,785 --> 00:40:05,545
but, again, I think people are starting to

1178
00:40:05,545 --> 00:40:07,305
sort of, like, awaken from that. So right

1179
00:40:07,305 --> 00:40:08,825
now, on that same point, look out for

1180
00:40:08,825 --> 00:40:10,184
those minds I'm talking about because they're laid

1181
00:40:10,184 --> 00:40:11,849
everywhere to trap you right back into it.

1182
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:13,130
So, you know, I I put a social

1183
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:14,410
media post out, I don't know, a couple

1184
00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:15,450
weeks ago, and I said,

1185
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:18,410
and and this will resonate with people who

1186
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:20,030
have done their homework into,

1187
00:40:20,570 --> 00:40:23,930
like, fundamentalist Islamic terror. Right? And I and

1188
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:25,309
I I said something like,

1189
00:40:25,994 --> 00:40:28,634
scratch an Islamic terrorist, and you'll you'll find

1190
00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:31,275
the CIA or Mossad beneath. Right. Keep scratching,

1191
00:40:31,275 --> 00:40:32,974
and you'll find MI six. Because

1192
00:40:33,434 --> 00:40:35,295
if you look into the history of that,

1193
00:40:35,355 --> 00:40:37,375
you know, a lot of so the CIA

1194
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:39,449
and Mossad, a lot of them kinda learned

1195
00:40:39,449 --> 00:40:41,769
their dirty tricks from, from MI six. You

1196
00:40:41,769 --> 00:40:44,170
know, MI six does not get enough attention

1197
00:40:44,170 --> 00:40:46,590
for how intertwined I mean, it's funny because,

1198
00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:48,650
Matt Ehret's a writer for TLab, and he's

1199
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:49,769
he's done a lot of work and has

1200
00:40:49,769 --> 00:40:51,775
opened my eyes to that deeper background. I

1201
00:40:51,775 --> 00:40:53,534
don't think that's hard to tell in any

1202
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,355
one of the situations sometimes or often which

1203
00:40:56,494 --> 00:40:58,175
one is the real. Like, people discuss whether

1204
00:40:58,175 --> 00:41:00,175
it's Israel controlling The US or US controlling

1205
00:41:00,175 --> 00:41:01,614
Israel. It's that kind of dynamic. And I

1206
00:41:01,614 --> 00:41:03,215
think MI six just has a tendency to

1207
00:41:03,215 --> 00:41:04,815
not be involved in that thought process, which

1208
00:41:04,815 --> 00:41:06,735
is a problem. Mhmm. They're very prevalent. Yeah.

1209
00:41:06,735 --> 00:41:08,510
So I I will tell you my thought

1210
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:10,909
on that. Mhmm. Because I sometimes push back

1211
00:41:10,909 --> 00:41:12,769
a little bit against people who say

1212
00:41:13,309 --> 00:41:14,989
Israel controls The United States. So here's what

1213
00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:16,750
I would say. I'm not maybe I'm wrong.

1214
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:17,730
But I would say

1215
00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:20,030
it's not so much that Israel controls The

1216
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:22,425
United States as it is that Israel and

1217
00:41:22,425 --> 00:41:24,825
The United States are both controlled by

1218
00:41:25,224 --> 00:41:26,985
Yeah. Some network that that is out there.

1219
00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:28,184
And I tend to think a lot of

1220
00:41:28,184 --> 00:41:29,244
that goes back to

1221
00:41:29,864 --> 00:41:31,545
to MI six and kind of the British

1222
00:41:31,545 --> 00:41:33,545
establishment. And by that, I don't necessarily mean

1223
00:41:33,545 --> 00:41:35,864
the the monarchy per se, but more like

1224
00:41:35,864 --> 00:41:36,925
the city of London

1225
00:41:37,409 --> 00:41:39,650
and this nexus of More of a globalist

1226
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:42,230
idea. Yeah. International finance, corporations,

1227
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:44,769
even secret societies, etcetera. Yeah. You know? But

1228
00:41:44,769 --> 00:41:46,289
anyway yeah. No. I mean, that's an important

1229
00:41:46,449 --> 00:41:47,730
so is that what you mean when you

1230
00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:49,889
the background, or were you referencing something else?

1231
00:41:49,889 --> 00:41:51,489
Like, what's what do we see behind that,

1232
00:41:51,489 --> 00:41:52,849
like, calling those shots? Is that what you

1233
00:41:52,849 --> 00:41:54,605
meant? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just you

1234
00:41:54,605 --> 00:41:55,505
know, because

1235
00:41:55,804 --> 00:41:57,244
right now, I I think there is this

1236
00:41:57,244 --> 00:41:58,144
idea that

1237
00:41:58,605 --> 00:42:01,344
that Israel is the center of the

1238
00:42:01,804 --> 00:42:04,445
the the globalist empire. Mhmm. Okay. And I

1239
00:42:04,445 --> 00:42:05,164
I would say

1240
00:42:06,099 --> 00:42:08,500
I think it's more maybe an avatar Yeah.

1241
00:42:08,659 --> 00:42:11,619
Of the globalist empire. Well, the easiest way

1242
00:42:11,619 --> 00:42:13,139
to make that clear for somebody who's only

1243
00:42:13,139 --> 00:42:14,980
just stepped into this is that that, really,

1244
00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:16,739
if you the point is about Zionism, not

1245
00:42:16,739 --> 00:42:18,500
the state of Israel, which we agree on.

1246
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:20,659
Mhmm. But the to your point, Zionism was

1247
00:42:20,819 --> 00:42:23,505
you know, existed, but the Balfour declaration from

1248
00:42:23,505 --> 00:42:25,505
The UK, that's what started Israel. So you

1249
00:42:25,505 --> 00:42:27,505
can clearly see that there's more going on

1250
00:42:27,505 --> 00:42:29,425
there. The hard part is that people, like,

1251
00:42:29,425 --> 00:42:30,484
especially today,

1252
00:42:30,945 --> 00:42:32,385
you know, there's a lot of, you know,

1253
00:42:32,385 --> 00:42:34,545
people seeking awareness and information, but they kind

1254
00:42:34,545 --> 00:42:37,139
of woke up, like, 02/2020,

1255
00:42:37,139 --> 00:42:38,820
and they don't really dive into the background.

1256
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:40,739
I mean, myself, everyone, I think, does that.

1257
00:42:40,739 --> 00:42:42,420
Like, even myself, I find things that I

1258
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:44,340
stumble into that kind of were, like, before

1259
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:45,940
where I started doing this work. Yeah. And

1260
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,394
you go, wow. I didn't even, like, you

1261
00:42:47,394 --> 00:42:48,914
still have this weird framing of that that

1262
00:42:48,914 --> 00:42:50,275
you didn't even question because it's from a

1263
00:42:50,275 --> 00:42:51,954
different time. And we all are going through

1264
00:42:51,954 --> 00:42:53,875
that. You know? The cognitive dissonance is a

1265
00:42:53,875 --> 00:42:55,255
hard problem with theirs. People

1266
00:42:55,555 --> 00:42:57,155
wanna run away from it when it becomes

1267
00:42:57,155 --> 00:42:59,155
contradictory. You know? Yeah. But, yeah, the bigger

1268
00:42:59,155 --> 00:43:01,559
problem, I think, comes down to whoever's driving

1269
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:03,160
that bus. I would argue that I do

1270
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,559
think Zionism is one of the chief issues

1271
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:06,860
of our time. Yeah. Yeah.

1272
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,739
Totally. Totally. And I think that it is

1273
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,440
alive and well. Yeah. You know, so you

1274
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,200
mentioned the Balfour Declaration, which goes all the

1275
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,380
way back to World War one times 1917.

1276
00:43:16,655 --> 00:43:18,815
But some of these ideas already preexisted that.

1277
00:43:18,815 --> 00:43:20,414
You know, you got Theodor Herzl, and, I

1278
00:43:20,414 --> 00:43:21,135
mean, you got the,

1279
00:43:21,695 --> 00:43:24,255
the Scofield reference Bible, because, obviously, there's a

1280
00:43:24,255 --> 00:43:24,755
huge,

1281
00:43:25,855 --> 00:43:27,394
there's a huge movement

1282
00:43:27,934 --> 00:43:29,775
of Christian Zionism within a lot of the

1283
00:43:29,775 --> 00:43:31,695
evangelical churches, which are very influential in The

1284
00:43:31,695 --> 00:43:33,989
United States. Yeah. And so and it's a

1285
00:43:33,989 --> 00:43:35,190
lot of and and I mean, I say

1286
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:36,710
this as a as a Christian, but just

1287
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:37,929
within within,

1288
00:43:39,590 --> 00:43:41,670
greater Christianity and those who profess to be

1289
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:43,269
Christians here in the West, but primarily in

1290
00:43:43,269 --> 00:43:44,170
The United States,

1291
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:46,410
you have a lot of,

1292
00:43:47,034 --> 00:43:49,514
mostly Protestants, and within that kind of large

1293
00:43:49,514 --> 00:43:53,434
umbrella, mostly evangelical dispensationalist Protestants Mhmm. That they

1294
00:43:53,434 --> 00:43:54,974
believe they have a moral obligation

1295
00:43:55,675 --> 00:43:56,574
to unconditionally

1296
00:43:57,434 --> 00:43:57,934
support

1297
00:43:58,235 --> 00:44:00,474
this Middle Eastern state that, you know, has

1298
00:44:00,474 --> 00:44:02,255
been around for, you know, eighty years.

1299
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,779
It's wild. It it it is wild. Inherently

1300
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:07,539
contradictory when you look at the basic facts.

1301
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,099
It is it is historically

1302
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:11,299
so it

1303
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:12,179
that

1304
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,940
that thought, that idea,

1305
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,244
I would say, is historically and geopolitically

1306
00:44:17,625 --> 00:44:20,105
illiterate. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And biblically, for

1307
00:44:20,105 --> 00:44:21,224
those who who wanna go there too, because

1308
00:44:21,224 --> 00:44:22,985
I would say that too. 100% agree. Yeah.

1309
00:44:22,985 --> 00:44:24,744
Well, so this thought stems through a lot

1310
00:44:24,744 --> 00:44:26,184
of what we're gonna talk about. So taking

1311
00:44:26,184 --> 00:44:27,704
it back to Iran since you were you

1312
00:44:27,704 --> 00:44:29,920
started with that point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The

1313
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,360
what I'm showing on on the screen is

1314
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,440
just Iran faces this is a recent article

1315
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,320
from yesterday. Iran faces August deadline to accept

1316
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:36,820
comprehensive

1317
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,920
nuclear deal or face renewed UN sanctions. So

1318
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,599
in a at a finer point, where do

1319
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,605
you see this going? Because it's, I mean,

1320
00:44:43,605 --> 00:44:45,525
you're well versed on this. It's absurd, in

1321
00:44:45,525 --> 00:44:47,445
my opinion, to think that Iran in any

1322
00:44:47,445 --> 00:44:49,204
way takes what The US or Israel is

1323
00:44:49,204 --> 00:44:51,204
putting forward as serious. They violated everything they've

1324
00:44:51,204 --> 00:44:52,965
ever done and every one of these dynamics,

1325
00:44:52,965 --> 00:44:55,204
including with Iran. So, again, with this kind

1326
00:44:55,204 --> 00:44:56,965
of floated, like, you better do what we

1327
00:44:56,965 --> 00:44:58,800
ask or, you know, which is framed as

1328
00:44:59,119 --> 00:44:59,619
negotiation

1329
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,760
before this deadline. So just where do you

1330
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,800
see this going? You know, what do you

1331
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,239
think is gonna happen next? You latest the

1332
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,679
la you left off with kind of the

1333
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:07,360
the bombing of the cutter base, then they

1334
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,679
at this point, they've been doing little bombings

1335
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:11,199
here and there, which aren't really getting much

1336
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:12,880
coverage or excluded. So where do you see

1337
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,855
it going? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there

1338
00:45:14,855 --> 00:45:15,514
were these

1339
00:45:15,894 --> 00:45:17,175
supposed strikes that,

1340
00:45:17,655 --> 00:45:20,155
that US service members, you know, engaged in

1341
00:45:20,295 --> 00:45:23,014
and the three supposed nuclear sites within Iran.

1342
00:45:23,014 --> 00:45:24,875
Real quickly, I just saw a report saying

1343
00:45:25,094 --> 00:45:27,414
two of the three are now shown to

1344
00:45:27,414 --> 00:45:28,795
completely not be destroyed.

1345
00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:30,239
One of the planes Obliterated?

1346
00:45:30,539 --> 00:45:32,860
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, remember

1347
00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:33,760
that? So, anyway,

1348
00:45:35,019 --> 00:45:37,099
so then so there was a response. There

1349
00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:39,980
was an Iranian response supposedly with, some US

1350
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:41,980
bases. In Qatar, they supposed to call it

1351
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:43,574
ahead. It was just maybe one of these

1352
00:45:43,655 --> 00:45:44,315
face saving

1353
00:45:44,614 --> 00:45:45,835
measures. That's what I thought. Yeah.

1354
00:45:46,375 --> 00:45:46,875
So

1355
00:45:47,414 --> 00:45:49,734
then there's this ceasefire. Right? And now we're

1356
00:45:49,734 --> 00:45:51,335
we're however many weeks, I don't know, three

1357
00:45:51,335 --> 00:45:53,195
weeks or so into the into the ceasefire.

1358
00:45:53,574 --> 00:45:55,734
Will that hold? And and no. I don't

1359
00:45:55,734 --> 00:45:57,989
think it will. Mhmm. So how will it

1360
00:45:57,989 --> 00:46:00,469
be broken? And will we potentially see a

1361
00:46:00,469 --> 00:46:01,369
false flag

1362
00:46:01,989 --> 00:46:04,550
used as a pretext to potentially break the

1363
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:06,150
ceasefire? I don't know, but it's something we

1364
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:07,750
always have to be aware of. Absolutely. You

1365
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:09,670
know? Absolutely. The other thing that I think

1366
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:10,550
is interesting is

1367
00:46:11,394 --> 00:46:13,155
and I know people have differing opinions on

1368
00:46:13,155 --> 00:46:15,575
this, but it it it bears some discussion

1369
00:46:16,114 --> 00:46:17,735
or at least people

1370
00:46:18,275 --> 00:46:20,275
kind of, you know, parsing through this in

1371
00:46:20,275 --> 00:46:21,414
their own mind. So

1372
00:46:22,595 --> 00:46:24,055
when we think about the globalist,

1373
00:46:25,699 --> 00:46:27,699
whatever the structure of the globalist empire is

1374
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:28,440
Mhmm.

1375
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:32,119
You know, does that is that largely a

1376
00:46:32,339 --> 00:46:33,079
a western

1377
00:46:33,380 --> 00:46:33,880
construct,

1378
00:46:34,339 --> 00:46:35,559
or is it more

1379
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:36,440
global?

1380
00:46:37,385 --> 00:46:39,944
And are countries that are considered to be

1381
00:46:39,944 --> 00:46:41,324
antagonistic to the West,

1382
00:46:41,625 --> 00:46:43,545
are they are they are they foils to

1383
00:46:43,545 --> 00:46:45,704
this empire, or are they part of it?

1384
00:46:45,704 --> 00:46:48,184
Now I'll tell you my my assumption. I'm

1385
00:46:48,184 --> 00:46:49,940
not saying I I know for sure. Mhmm.

1386
00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:52,179
But I tend my read currently is I

1387
00:46:52,179 --> 00:46:54,099
tend to think they're part of it. Mhmm.

1388
00:46:54,099 --> 00:46:56,179
So I tend to think that Iran or

1389
00:46:56,179 --> 00:46:56,679
China

1390
00:46:57,299 --> 00:47:00,179
or Russia, maybe in North Korea, that they

1391
00:47:00,179 --> 00:47:01,779
are part of this, but that they have

1392
00:47:01,779 --> 00:47:03,894
a role to play. And that and that

1393
00:47:03,894 --> 00:47:05,974
within that, they are supposed to appear, you

1394
00:47:05,974 --> 00:47:08,054
know, antagonistic to the West. Interesting thought. I

1395
00:47:08,054 --> 00:47:09,494
mean, I think it's an important thought to

1396
00:47:09,494 --> 00:47:11,734
consider because one here's a way I look

1397
00:47:11,734 --> 00:47:13,255
at it from, like, the COVID overlap is

1398
00:47:13,255 --> 00:47:14,214
that you

1399
00:47:15,094 --> 00:47:16,394
very clearly, we saw

1400
00:47:16,839 --> 00:47:19,099
a lot of supposedly adversarial countries

1401
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,800
lockstep in the agenda. Right? But I that

1402
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,119
doesn't necessarily have to prove that they are

1403
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,039
not adversarial in other ways. You know, my

1404
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:28,059
mind was, I think all of these governments,

1405
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:29,639
I have a very poor opinion of governments

1406
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:31,579
in general Yep. Would be willing to do

1407
00:47:32,125 --> 00:47:34,364
their many things to better have control over

1408
00:47:34,364 --> 00:47:36,845
our lives in of their peoples, in respectively.

1409
00:47:36,845 --> 00:47:38,684
Yep. But and so they're all going, yes.

1410
00:47:38,684 --> 00:47:40,285
We'll accept this you know, we'll all go

1411
00:47:40,285 --> 00:47:42,285
in this direction, but then still didn't agree

1412
00:47:42,285 --> 00:47:44,285
at certain points, still vied, you know, back

1413
00:47:44,285 --> 00:47:45,325
behind the scenes about different

1414
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:48,039
many different points. Yep. And so that's what

1415
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:49,239
I see it as, is they're willing to

1416
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,839
come together if they can use that to

1417
00:47:50,839 --> 00:47:51,960
control us, but at the end of the

1418
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,480
day, they're not really on the same team,

1419
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,920
and they might not be. Mhmm. So I

1420
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,599
I do agree that that makes sense within

1421
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,280
that possible cost. And and and I do

1422
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,199
think that it it doesn't have to be

1423
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:00,940
a clean

1424
00:48:01,485 --> 00:48:03,105
either or. So either

1425
00:48:03,805 --> 00:48:05,985
either China and Russia and Iran

1426
00:48:06,445 --> 00:48:08,684
take their orders from the same, you know,

1427
00:48:08,684 --> 00:48:11,025
party that gives, you know, the orders to

1428
00:48:11,164 --> 00:48:12,704
Trump, for example. Mhmm.

1429
00:48:13,579 --> 00:48:16,219
Or they're they're totally antagonistic. I don't know

1430
00:48:16,219 --> 00:48:17,920
that it necessarily has to be that cleanly

1431
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:20,300
either. Right. I think they'll take what they

1432
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:21,739
can when they can. I think they're both

1433
00:48:21,739 --> 00:48:23,420
governments. But I but I do think that

1434
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:24,159
they are

1435
00:48:24,699 --> 00:48:27,099
they are within the globalist spheres of influence

1436
00:48:27,099 --> 00:48:28,724
to to some degree. Right. To what degree,

1437
00:48:28,724 --> 00:48:30,984
I'm not exactly sure, but I do think

1438
00:48:31,605 --> 00:48:33,444
that Iran, therefore, may have a role to

1439
00:48:33,444 --> 00:48:34,744
play. Now do they

1440
00:48:35,444 --> 00:48:37,545
maybe push back against that role? Yeah.

1441
00:48:37,924 --> 00:48:40,505
Sure. Maybe. Mhmm. But I also think that

1442
00:48:40,809 --> 00:48:43,289
from the globalist perspective, I think they want

1443
00:48:43,289 --> 00:48:44,989
war. I think we're kind of seeing

1444
00:48:45,529 --> 00:48:47,289
the winds blow in that direction, which is

1445
00:48:47,289 --> 00:48:49,609
unfortunate, but I think that means that we

1446
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:51,449
just maybe have to be, you know, prepared

1447
00:48:51,449 --> 00:48:52,969
for that. Yeah. I agree. I mean, the

1448
00:48:52,969 --> 00:48:54,170
main point that I think a lot of

1449
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:54,670
people,

1450
00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:57,585
Jason Baster, for example, and Mhmm. They're basically

1451
00:48:57,585 --> 00:48:59,184
just saying, you know, in a larger kind

1452
00:48:59,184 --> 00:49:01,344
of sprawling sense, I support the peoples of

1453
00:49:01,344 --> 00:49:02,864
Iran. I support the peoples of Syria. Yeah.

1454
00:49:02,864 --> 00:49:04,465
Sure. Yeah. Right. Right. The governments of any

1455
00:49:04,465 --> 00:49:05,585
of these places. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind

1456
00:49:05,585 --> 00:49:07,105
of the distinction we need to start making.

1457
00:49:07,105 --> 00:49:09,300
You know? Take fighting it for act act

1458
00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:10,820
take action that is in the interest of

1459
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:12,900
the peoples of these places, not the government

1460
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:14,900
structures. But our government, like all of them,

1461
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:16,500
have framed this in a way that, you

1462
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:18,260
know, that that is the representation of the

1463
00:49:18,260 --> 00:49:20,099
people, and that's just not the truth. Yeah.

1464
00:49:20,099 --> 00:49:21,780
So so two points on that because that

1465
00:49:21,780 --> 00:49:23,079
that is that

1466
00:49:23,755 --> 00:49:25,594
should be the way that we almost look

1467
00:49:25,594 --> 00:49:28,155
at all geopolitical situations. Mhmm. Mhmm. And so

1468
00:49:28,155 --> 00:49:30,074
when we saw this twelve day war between

1469
00:49:30,074 --> 00:49:31,855
Israel and Iran, which largely

1470
00:49:32,795 --> 00:49:34,394
and I I don't wanna so I I

1471
00:49:34,394 --> 00:49:35,855
think when things like that happen,

1472
00:49:36,730 --> 00:49:39,050
the because some people don't. But I think

1473
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:40,809
the missiles are largely real. Some people don't.

1474
00:49:40,809 --> 00:49:42,489
Some people think that that. And and I

1475
00:49:42,489 --> 00:49:43,869
also think that there is

1476
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:45,869
there is a,

1477
00:49:47,369 --> 00:49:49,530
I think atrocity propaganda can be a real

1478
00:49:49,530 --> 00:49:51,914
thing. Absolutely. So so you can take something

1479
00:49:51,914 --> 00:49:52,654
that happens,

1480
00:49:53,275 --> 00:49:55,674
and then you can amplify it Mhmm. And

1481
00:49:55,674 --> 00:49:58,154
you can can compound the effects of a

1482
00:49:58,154 --> 00:49:59,994
true atrocity that occurred Oh, yeah. And you

1483
00:49:59,994 --> 00:50:01,674
can you can maximize it. You know? And

1484
00:50:01,674 --> 00:50:04,440
just be honest and absolutely faking entire events.

1485
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,199
So that that we nobody should be deplo

1486
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,360
pretending like we don't have historical evidence of

1487
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,880
that happening. It's real. That's right. That's right.

1488
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:11,500
So,

1489
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,239
yeah, Gulf Of Tonka, of course, is a

1490
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,023
is an is an event that didn't happen.

1491
00:50:16,023 --> 00:50:18,132
Anyway I agree. No. No. I was just

1492
00:50:18,132 --> 00:50:20,007
gonna say just so it was clear. I

1493
00:50:20,007 --> 00:50:22,116
know way am I suggesting that, that everything

1494
00:50:22,351 --> 00:50:24,225
you know, there's plenty of atrocities happening that

1495
00:50:24,225 --> 00:50:26,100
we can prove. That's right. It's just considering

1496
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:27,975
that possibility is always important. That's right. So

1497
00:50:27,975 --> 00:50:30,170
people who who question these events Mhmm. I

1498
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:32,570
get why they're questioning them. Right. But I

1499
00:50:32,570 --> 00:50:34,650
also think it's dangerous to assume that every

1500
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:37,369
time there's a there's a supposed missile exchange

1501
00:50:37,369 --> 00:50:39,210
between two countries that it's always fake. Yeah.

1502
00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:40,970
Just don't I we shouldn't assume anything. That's

1503
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:42,974
that's the point. It's just consider these thoughts,

1504
00:50:43,135 --> 00:50:45,375
but facts are what matter. You know? And

1505
00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:47,614
and so to that point so during this

1506
00:50:47,614 --> 00:50:49,695
twelve day war Mhmm. You know, and I

1507
00:50:49,695 --> 00:50:51,555
would have this discussion with friends of mine,

1508
00:50:52,175 --> 00:50:54,515
and I would say, you know, you don't

1509
00:50:54,575 --> 00:50:56,494
you don't have to pick a side between

1510
00:50:56,494 --> 00:50:58,679
Israel and Iran. Right. You don't have to.

1511
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,359
You know? But you can side with the

1512
00:51:00,359 --> 00:51:02,059
people. Mhmm. You can

1513
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,480
you can express solidarity or whether you wanna

1514
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,339
call it, you know, sympathy or whatever

1515
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,800
with the people on both sides that are

1516
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,174
being impacted by what is happening. Definitely. Yeah.

1517
00:51:12,174 --> 00:51:13,295
I mean, that's where we need to stand

1518
00:51:13,295 --> 00:51:14,894
with this. And, you know, people will always

1519
00:51:14,894 --> 00:51:15,635
have different

1520
00:51:16,494 --> 00:51:19,375
perspectives inside in different ways. But if we

1521
00:51:19,375 --> 00:51:20,894
start putting our lot in, you know, in

1522
00:51:20,894 --> 00:51:22,255
the flag next to your bio, you know,

1523
00:51:22,255 --> 00:51:23,694
we're we're falling into the psyop. I mean,

1524
00:51:23,694 --> 00:51:24,815
that's what I really think it is. You

1525
00:51:24,815 --> 00:51:26,030
are. You are. But but your point is

1526
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:28,030
important about the bigger picture, about whether they

1527
00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:29,869
have another role, whether it's Iran or somebody

1528
00:51:29,869 --> 00:51:32,369
else. And we definitely should consider that because

1529
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:34,909
it's easy to fall into, you know, Iran's

1530
00:51:34,909 --> 00:51:35,963
the one pushing back against the one we

1531
00:51:35,963 --> 00:51:36,019
see committing genocide, so they're the ones on

1532
00:51:36,019 --> 00:51:36,088
the good guy side. I it's just it's

1533
00:51:36,088 --> 00:51:37,005
a dangerous assumption to make.

1534
00:51:38,924 --> 00:51:40,764
Side. I it's just it's a dangerous assumption

1535
00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:42,045
to make. So it was It is a

1536
00:51:42,125 --> 00:51:43,585
yeah. It is a dangerous assumption.

1537
00:51:44,204 --> 00:51:45,344
And you can also

1538
00:51:46,204 --> 00:51:49,484
you could reinforce that dialectical engine Mhmm. By

1539
00:51:49,484 --> 00:51:51,184
pushing hard against

1540
00:51:51,539 --> 00:51:53,940
Israel because all you're doing you you're you're

1541
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:56,500
still fueling the dialectical engine between, in this

1542
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:58,500
case, Israel and Iran. Mhmm. And and I

1543
00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:59,559
think a lot of times,

1544
00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:01,380
the best way to deal with those types

1545
00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:04,019
of situations is to remove yourself from from

1546
00:52:04,019 --> 00:52:07,295
that unnecessary dialectic. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. That's

1547
00:52:07,434 --> 00:52:09,434
exactly oh, you're being you're being forced it's

1548
00:52:09,434 --> 00:52:10,741
the false binary. It's the false binary. It's

1549
00:52:10,741 --> 00:52:11,994
the false binary. Choice. Right? You don't feel

1550
00:52:11,994 --> 00:52:13,914
like you have to. Yeah. Yeah. You don't

1551
00:52:13,914 --> 00:52:14,815
have to. Right.

1552
00:52:15,114 --> 00:52:16,635
But so on on the Syria point, because,

1553
00:52:16,635 --> 00:52:18,155
I mean, all of these are interconnected. I

1554
00:52:18,155 --> 00:52:19,675
mean, let's put it this way. My opinion

1555
00:52:19,675 --> 00:52:21,579
is this is the extension of the greater

1556
00:52:21,579 --> 00:52:23,260
Israel genocide. I mean, that's what this really

1557
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:25,179
comes down to is these are obvious agendas

1558
00:52:25,179 --> 00:52:27,500
of Israel in the context of invest direct

1559
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,659
point. But so is I I'm showing an

1560
00:52:29,659 --> 00:52:31,579
article I put out or show about Israel

1561
00:52:31,579 --> 00:52:33,760
in regard to Syria. Mhmm. As Israel further

1562
00:52:33,905 --> 00:52:36,385
occupies Syria, western backed ISIS patch wearing terrorists

1563
00:52:36,385 --> 00:52:37,204
begin executions.

1564
00:52:37,585 --> 00:52:39,344
It's amazing that anybody can even try to

1565
00:52:39,344 --> 00:52:41,344
dismiss that at this point because it's live

1566
00:52:41,344 --> 00:52:43,664
streamed like everywhere else, and ISIS patches and

1567
00:52:43,664 --> 00:52:45,585
all. But so right now, what I think

1568
00:52:45,585 --> 00:52:48,400
is interesting is we're seeing the extension of

1569
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,800
this. And now, you mentioned the recent bombings.

1570
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,119
We're seeing it's they're claiming now Syria's or

1571
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,280
Israel's now occupying certain areas even though, in

1572
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,199
my opinion, they've already pretty much occupied most

1573
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:58,960
of Syria. Mhmm. It's like this weird kind

1574
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,880
of narrative on top of what's already been

1575
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,494
going on. They play a clip really quickly

1576
00:53:02,494 --> 00:53:04,175
of Netanyahu, and then we can comment on

1577
00:53:04,175 --> 00:53:06,335
what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. Solomon Ahmed frames it

1578
00:53:06,335 --> 00:53:08,815
as Netanyahu announces Israel is going to occupy

1579
00:53:08,815 --> 00:53:11,775
Southern Syria. Netanyahu announces occupation from the Golan

1580
00:53:11,775 --> 00:53:13,775
Heights to the Druze Mountain area. Welcome to

1581
00:53:13,775 --> 00:53:15,449
Greater Israel. I agree with that.

1582
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:52,079
So what's frustrating for me on that is,

1583
00:53:52,219 --> 00:53:53,980
first of all, the idea of occupying, which

1584
00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:56,460
they're already doing. But interesting point of always

1585
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:58,724
seemingly using the Druze population as, like, this,

1586
00:53:58,805 --> 00:54:00,565
we're saving them when they themselves will speak

1587
00:54:00,565 --> 00:54:01,684
up and say we want nothing to do

1588
00:54:01,684 --> 00:54:03,125
with Israel. Mhmm. But just your thoughts on

1589
00:54:03,125 --> 00:54:05,204
the larger point here on on the narrative

1590
00:54:05,204 --> 00:54:06,644
as always that we're coming in to save

1591
00:54:06,644 --> 00:54:08,325
the day and, you know, what's Israel doing

1592
00:54:08,325 --> 00:54:09,845
with Syria. Give me your your big picture

1593
00:54:09,845 --> 00:54:12,325
view on this. Yeah. So okay. So we

1594
00:54:12,325 --> 00:54:14,569
mentioned false flags a few minutes ago. But

1595
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:16,010
what is a false flag? I'm not saying

1596
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:17,130
this is a false flag, but what I'm

1597
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:20,269
saying is a false flag is just one

1598
00:54:20,570 --> 00:54:21,070
type

1599
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:25,210
of invented pretext. Mhmm. So you you find

1600
00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:27,710
a pretext or you invent a pretext

1601
00:54:28,344 --> 00:54:31,405
to supposedly create a justification for you to,

1602
00:54:31,945 --> 00:54:33,644
you know, engage in some action.

1603
00:54:34,105 --> 00:54:35,545
So and I I think that's kind of

1604
00:54:35,545 --> 00:54:37,144
what we see here. Mhmm. Oh, look at

1605
00:54:37,144 --> 00:54:39,224
what's going on with the Druze. We, Israel,

1606
00:54:39,224 --> 00:54:40,204
we've gotta get

1607
00:54:40,530 --> 00:54:43,250
involved. And so whether it's a false flag

1608
00:54:43,410 --> 00:54:45,329
but because we've seen this type of pretext

1609
00:54:45,329 --> 00:54:47,269
used before as well, where,

1610
00:54:48,610 --> 00:54:50,469
you'll have some country who says,

1611
00:54:50,769 --> 00:54:51,570
hey. We've got

1612
00:54:52,385 --> 00:54:54,464
we have ethnic brothers. In this case, I

1613
00:54:54,464 --> 00:54:55,984
think he uses the term brothers of our

1614
00:54:55,984 --> 00:54:56,964
brothers. But anyway,

1615
00:54:57,344 --> 00:54:59,905
we have we have ethnic brothers that are

1616
00:54:59,905 --> 00:55:00,405
being,

1617
00:55:01,664 --> 00:55:04,944
you know, genocided or being repressed by this

1618
00:55:04,944 --> 00:55:07,489
other country. Now we've gotta get involved. Right.

1619
00:55:07,489 --> 00:55:09,489
So in any case, it's a it's a

1620
00:55:09,489 --> 00:55:11,030
pretext that is either identified

1621
00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:12,150
or invented

1622
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:14,849
to justify then, you know, some action. What

1623
00:55:14,849 --> 00:55:17,170
do you think their objective is? Whether Israel

1624
00:55:17,170 --> 00:55:19,030
or The United States involved with Syria,

1625
00:55:19,364 --> 00:55:21,525
you know, outside of the Russia dynamic, which

1626
00:55:21,525 --> 00:55:23,204
seems to still be present, but now that

1627
00:55:23,204 --> 00:55:24,724
Assad has gone diminished, but what do you

1628
00:55:24,724 --> 00:55:26,244
think their objective is? Well, I I do

1629
00:55:26,244 --> 00:55:28,644
think that your assessment about the greater Israel,

1630
00:55:28,644 --> 00:55:29,864
that is something that,

1631
00:55:30,485 --> 00:55:32,244
I think we all have to have our

1632
00:55:32,244 --> 00:55:33,929
eyes on. Because when you look at

1633
00:55:34,329 --> 00:55:36,510
the the modern borders of Israel,

1634
00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:40,250
compared to what greater Israel would look like

1635
00:55:40,569 --> 00:55:42,809
Mhmm. It is first of all, it's eye

1636
00:55:42,809 --> 00:55:45,230
opening. Now you just mentioned Russia. So

1637
00:55:46,969 --> 00:55:48,670
here's the other thing about Israel.

1638
00:55:50,005 --> 00:55:51,304
So whether it's geographically,

1639
00:55:51,684 --> 00:55:53,465
whether it is culturally,

1640
00:55:55,525 --> 00:55:56,724
it's kind of this,

1641
00:55:57,364 --> 00:55:59,204
it's a hinge between the East and the

1642
00:55:59,204 --> 00:56:00,965
West. Okay. Yeah. And one of the things

1643
00:56:00,965 --> 00:56:02,025
that we have seen

1644
00:56:02,804 --> 00:56:03,304
is

1645
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:06,250
we have we've almost started to see some,

1646
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:09,849
some tensions that look a lot like old

1647
00:56:09,849 --> 00:56:12,750
cold war tensions that have started to reemerge,

1648
00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:16,109
you know, where Yeah. That those antagonistic feelings

1649
00:56:16,755 --> 00:56:18,355
between the East and the West are kinda

1650
00:56:18,355 --> 00:56:19,974
starting to reemerge. Now,

1651
00:56:20,275 --> 00:56:22,114
we're talking about Israel right now and Syria,

1652
00:56:22,114 --> 00:56:23,574
but you did just mention Russia.

1653
00:56:23,954 --> 00:56:25,954
But we're three and a half years into

1654
00:56:25,954 --> 00:56:28,534
what's going on in Ukraine. But, of course,

1655
00:56:28,869 --> 00:56:30,389
a lot of the tension in Ukraine didn't

1656
00:56:30,389 --> 00:56:31,750
start in 2022.

1657
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:33,289
Right. We don't have to go

1658
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:35,510
back that far before we start talking about

1659
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:36,969
what happened in 2014.

1660
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:39,510
Mhmm. The West was very involved in, you

1661
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:41,269
know, all all the actions, you know, around

1662
00:56:41,269 --> 00:56:42,730
Maidan, etcetera. Right.

1663
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:44,170
And

1664
00:56:45,094 --> 00:56:47,014
it to some degree, I I do believe

1665
00:56:47,014 --> 00:56:48,635
that what is happening in Israel

1666
00:56:49,094 --> 00:56:51,734
is related to the Greater Israel Project, but

1667
00:56:51,734 --> 00:56:53,655
I also, in my mind, I see that

1668
00:56:53,655 --> 00:56:54,155
itself

1669
00:56:54,775 --> 00:56:55,674
as a component

1670
00:56:56,054 --> 00:56:58,780
in potentially a larger strategy as well Mhmm.

1671
00:56:58,859 --> 00:57:00,940
To increase the tensions between the East and

1672
00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:02,299
the West. Right. Yeah. I mean, it does

1673
00:57:02,299 --> 00:57:04,139
seem that that war and conflict is is

1674
00:57:04,139 --> 00:57:06,059
a clear outcome in all this or a

1675
00:57:06,059 --> 00:57:07,579
goal. I brought up the map for people

1676
00:57:07,579 --> 00:57:09,260
to see it. And and we should remember

1677
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:11,264
too that the the the patch that they're

1678
00:57:11,264 --> 00:57:12,864
wearing this is not some old concept. They

1679
00:57:12,864 --> 00:57:14,704
have patches to this day. They're being worn

1680
00:57:14,704 --> 00:57:16,304
as they kill people in Gaza. They show

1681
00:57:16,304 --> 00:57:18,065
the greater Israel map on on their patch.

1682
00:57:18,065 --> 00:57:19,844
So this is a very Smotrich

1683
00:57:20,704 --> 00:57:22,385
Ben Gavir. These are people that are very

1684
00:57:22,385 --> 00:57:24,619
forward about it, and they're proudly telling people

1685
00:57:24,619 --> 00:57:26,140
this is what they're doing. And it's weird

1686
00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:27,820
how the West just pretends like this is

1687
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:29,099
not the most obvious thing in the world.

1688
00:57:29,099 --> 00:57:30,300
Yeah. You know? And you can see all

1689
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:31,900
of them from Iraq to Syria to you

1690
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:33,820
know, to it's everything. I mean and and

1691
00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:35,820
it's all coming to pass. Well, yeah. So,

1692
00:57:37,224 --> 00:57:38,125
in the last

1693
00:57:38,824 --> 00:57:39,324
recently,

1694
00:57:41,144 --> 00:57:43,324
last couple of weeks, there have also been

1695
00:57:43,545 --> 00:57:47,224
some increasing tensions between Azerbaijan and Russia. Okay.

1696
00:57:47,224 --> 00:57:48,984
And so this is interesting because a lot

1697
00:57:48,984 --> 00:57:50,744
of Americans probably do not think a lot

1698
00:57:50,744 --> 00:57:51,565
about Azerbaijan.

1699
00:57:51,864 --> 00:57:52,364
Right.

1700
00:57:52,940 --> 00:57:54,779
But Azerbaijan is a key player. First of

1701
00:57:54,779 --> 00:57:55,519
all, it's

1702
00:57:56,139 --> 00:57:58,380
in kind of this Southern Caucasus region that

1703
00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:01,279
is very strategically important because it lies between

1704
00:58:01,339 --> 00:58:03,099
the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. So

1705
00:58:03,099 --> 00:58:04,559
you've got Azerbaijan,

1706
00:58:04,859 --> 00:58:06,000
you have Armenia,

1707
00:58:06,724 --> 00:58:08,965
to the direct west. You've got Georgia. You

1708
00:58:08,965 --> 00:58:10,565
know, Turkey's kind of right there as well

1709
00:58:10,565 --> 00:58:11,385
in that region.

1710
00:58:11,844 --> 00:58:12,405
And then,

1711
00:58:13,204 --> 00:58:14,025
but Azerbaijan

1712
00:58:14,405 --> 00:58:16,585
also, you know, shares a border with Iran.

1713
00:58:16,724 --> 00:58:17,465
Mhmm. So

1714
00:58:18,485 --> 00:58:21,809
very close ally with Turkey, Azerbaijan is. And

1715
00:58:21,809 --> 00:58:23,809
Azerbaijan has had a series of wars that

1716
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:25,590
it has fought with Armenia.

1717
00:58:25,969 --> 00:58:27,730
So they had a a war in the

1718
00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:28,230
nineties.

1719
00:58:29,489 --> 00:58:31,510
They had another war in 2020.

1720
00:58:31,570 --> 00:58:33,489
And so and the reason I share this

1721
00:58:33,489 --> 00:58:35,090
is because I do think that this is

1722
00:58:35,090 --> 00:58:37,204
also somewhere we kinda have to keep our

1723
00:58:37,204 --> 00:58:40,085
eyes on. That's not Azerbaijan's not exactly in

1724
00:58:40,085 --> 00:58:41,684
the in the Middle East, but it's in

1725
00:58:41,684 --> 00:58:43,465
kind of that that greater

1726
00:58:43,765 --> 00:58:46,005
region there in the South Caucasus that is

1727
00:58:46,005 --> 00:58:48,505
not that far away, but is also potentially

1728
00:58:48,565 --> 00:58:49,864
being used as

1729
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:52,039
as a point of leverage

1730
00:58:53,219 --> 00:58:55,219
to cause tensions to flare between the East

1731
00:58:55,219 --> 00:58:57,140
and the West. Now at this if if

1732
00:58:57,140 --> 00:58:59,619
I remember correctly, Robert in Lokesh has spoke

1733
00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:00,119
about,

1734
00:59:00,579 --> 00:59:03,795
groups that Azerbaijani groups that exist in Iran.

1735
00:59:03,875 --> 00:59:05,394
Mhmm. Right? That are that are very prominent

1736
00:59:05,394 --> 00:59:07,635
that he worries might be a a point

1737
00:59:07,635 --> 00:59:10,434
of manipulation from Israel's perspective to use some

1738
00:59:10,434 --> 00:59:12,034
of his groups from within Iran. And we

1739
00:59:12,034 --> 00:59:14,514
recently just saw whether it's Azerbaijani or not,

1740
00:59:14,514 --> 00:59:16,275
but groups that were in Iran that were,

1741
00:59:16,275 --> 00:59:18,114
like, cells, these sleeper cells that came up

1742
00:59:18,114 --> 00:59:20,170
and you and they conducted those attacks from

1743
00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:22,170
within Iran. Yeah. And so that's I that

1744
00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:23,690
just adds to that point that maybe that

1745
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:25,849
could be something Israel uses as well to

1746
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:27,369
create a false flag. That that is a

1747
00:59:27,849 --> 00:59:29,289
so I I think that's a that's a

1748
00:59:29,289 --> 00:59:30,969
real point. That's kinda what I'm driving at

1749
00:59:30,969 --> 00:59:31,630
too because

1750
00:59:32,105 --> 00:59:35,184
Azerbaijan has demonstrated a closeness to Israel Mhmm.

1751
00:59:35,464 --> 00:59:37,164
And and tensions with Iran.

1752
00:59:37,864 --> 00:59:40,344
But they are interesting because so they're they're

1753
00:59:40,344 --> 00:59:42,505
very closely allied with Turkey. In fact, they

1754
00:59:42,505 --> 00:59:44,525
they almost consider themselves to be,

1755
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,840
you know, one people, two nations. Mhmm.

1756
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,360
Primarily a Muslim nation. Mhmm. And but it's

1757
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,800
really weird. If you look at the map

1758
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:52,460
of Azerbaijan,

1759
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:56,219
up until recently,

1760
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,480
they used to have an enclave within their

1761
00:59:59,480 --> 00:59:59,980
borders

1762
01:00:00,574 --> 01:00:03,234
called called, Nagorno Karabakh, which was

1763
01:00:03,614 --> 01:00:05,074
comprised of a bunch of Armenians

1764
01:00:05,775 --> 01:00:08,434
that lived in this area within the Azerbaijani

1765
01:00:08,574 --> 01:00:09,074
borders

1766
01:00:09,454 --> 01:00:11,375
that Armenia claimed. And, of course, they they

1767
01:00:11,375 --> 01:00:13,889
had several wars over that. And in the

1768
01:00:13,889 --> 01:00:14,630
most recent

1769
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:16,449
conflict between the two,

1770
01:00:16,769 --> 01:00:19,190
Azerbaijan has basically taken over that entire area.

1771
01:00:19,329 --> 01:00:21,730
But in addition to that enclave within their

1772
01:00:21,730 --> 01:00:22,230
borders

1773
01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:24,230
of Armenians Nagorno Karabakh,

1774
01:00:24,609 --> 01:00:27,889
they also have this other, like, exclave, I

1775
01:00:27,889 --> 01:00:28,609
guess, that is,

1776
01:00:29,945 --> 01:00:30,684
that is,

1777
01:00:31,465 --> 01:00:32,925
another portion of their territory

1778
01:00:33,304 --> 01:00:34,684
that is not contiguously,

1779
01:00:35,385 --> 01:00:37,545
linked to the rest of the country, and

1780
01:00:37,545 --> 01:00:39,385
it's on the far side of Armenia. So

1781
01:00:39,385 --> 01:00:41,465
Armenia is kind of in between the greater

1782
01:00:41,465 --> 01:00:44,239
portion of army of, Azerbaijan here and then

1783
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:46,819
this tiny portion of of, Azerbaijan

1784
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:49,699
to Armenia's West. So a really fascinating country

1785
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,359
even if you just look at it in

1786
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:53,599
terms of the map. And then, it's right

1787
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:54,880
on the sea of I mean, it's right

1788
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,715
on the coast of the Caspian Sea. There's

1789
01:00:56,715 --> 01:00:57,614
a huge pipeline

1790
01:00:58,075 --> 01:01:00,474
that runs through that South Caucasus region. Seems

1791
01:01:00,474 --> 01:01:03,535
strategically important. It is strategically important, but pipelines

1792
01:01:03,595 --> 01:01:04,095
also,

1793
01:01:04,954 --> 01:01:06,735
first of all, they're they're they're economically

1794
01:01:07,275 --> 01:01:10,494
vital. Mhmm. But pipelines are also often

1795
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:13,940
targets of terrorist activities and, therefore, could potentially

1796
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:15,300
be used in even in a false flag

1797
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:17,539
scenario as well. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, I

1798
01:01:17,539 --> 01:01:19,219
think I think all you know, as we

1799
01:01:19,219 --> 01:01:21,539
say, stay vigilant because clearly, I think I

1800
01:01:21,539 --> 01:01:23,300
agree with you. I think that the logical

1801
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:26,535
outcome here is that Israel will do something

1802
01:01:26,675 --> 01:01:28,835
to rat to justify what it's I mean,

1803
01:01:28,835 --> 01:01:30,675
it's not a secret. They've been screaming about

1804
01:01:30,675 --> 01:01:32,355
wanting this and having The US be the

1805
01:01:32,355 --> 01:01:34,355
group to carry it out for them for

1806
01:01:34,355 --> 01:01:36,355
for decades, I mean, on the surface. So

1807
01:01:36,355 --> 01:01:37,795
we should be definitely be keeping an eye

1808
01:01:37,795 --> 01:01:39,789
on that. Now the overlapping point of this,

1809
01:01:39,789 --> 01:01:41,710
obviously, is what's going on with Gaza. You

1810
01:01:41,710 --> 01:01:44,429
know, that clearly this I genuinely think that

1811
01:01:44,429 --> 01:01:46,670
because of the way they conducted this, this

1812
01:01:46,670 --> 01:01:48,510
is why the narrative is collapsing. Yeah. And

1813
01:01:48,510 --> 01:01:50,030
it's been coming for a long time, but

1814
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:51,710
I think they shot themselves in both feet,

1815
01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:52,690
as we said earlier,

1816
01:01:53,025 --> 01:01:55,344
by conducting this in the most belligerent Columbia

1817
01:01:55,344 --> 01:01:57,105
office way ever. Yeah. Yeah. So, show a

1818
01:01:57,105 --> 01:01:58,344
couple of things for the audience to get

1819
01:01:58,385 --> 01:02:00,144
this is just as of today. This is,

1820
01:02:00,304 --> 01:02:01,525
antiwar.com.

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Every day, they're doing these reports now, and

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it's almost the same every day. Israeli tanks,

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tanks strikes Gaza's only Catholic church, killing three,

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injuring a priest. And this and what's interesting

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is the it's a a priest that the

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pope has been calling daily, and now they

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struck this church and and and, you know,

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apparently, it's causing this, rightly so, a huge

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international thing. Israel spoke up and said, oh,

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it was an accident because people you know,

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when it happens that it gets enough tension,

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they they respond to it. You know?

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BBC reporting at least twenty killed in another

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incident at the bat at the GHF food

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lines in every day that's happening, and ninety

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three killed in just last twenty four hours.

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So, you know, what are your thoughts on

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on, you know, what's going on with that?

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What how it's possible that it can keep

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continuing for a year even though we see

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it? It's a crazy scenario. Yeah. So this

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whole situation with Gaza,

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has been

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and this goes back to what we were

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talking about with Zionism. Mhmm. And and so

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what is incredible to me is

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the degree to which you have to perform

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some pretty complex mental gymnastics

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to defend Israel's actions. Yep. But we have

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people that have have felt a moral obligation

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to do so because they do believe they

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have to unconditionally support Israel in whatever Israel

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does. Mhmm.

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The second thing, and I can't remember who

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first said this,

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but somebody wrote a piece, and I don't

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remember who it was now,

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but I agree with the assertion that

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Gaza

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represents a method.

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And so I do believe that on a

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global scale,

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we may all find ourselves Ghazans at some

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point. I just I can't remember who who

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originally wrote a piece in which they said

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that. But,

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and and that that to me was impactful

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when I first came across, you know, someone

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said that. I think I may have even

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read the piece. I just don't remember when

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it was.

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Because

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when you look at

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the

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the way in which Gazans have been treated,

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and the way in which many people across

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the globe have turned a blind eye to

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it Mhmm. Or have

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tried to contextualize it in some way in

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which you make it either less horrific or

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or you even justify it,

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has been as, as sick as it is

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also just kind of in some ways, like,

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darkly insightful. And I say insightful because

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not insightful in a good way, but that's

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why I say darkly insightful because insightful that

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you can make good people

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rationalize some some pretty dark things if you

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if you, you know, find a way to

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do it. You know? I took that in

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the sense that it's in I mean, it's

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hard not to acknowledge what who these people

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are. Mhmm. The insight you know, to be

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able to have the, you know, insight on

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the reality of what you know, just this

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I mean,

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I rarely would use something like the word

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evil Mhmm. Because it's just not not an

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objective term. Mhmm. But I don't know what

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else to call something like this, you know,

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and how anybody can be you know, tell

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them I'm a I'm a call themselves a

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Christian Zionist or any religion or have any

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belief in these things and then turn around

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and in any way. I don't care if

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every single thing they've ever said about Palestine

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is true. Rationalize killing this many children in

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any way. You know? I don't care if

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they are holding 75 guns each. It doesn't

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matter that you know, it's it's a it

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is counter to their belief structure. Mhmm. And

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so that's where I think is causing one

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of the biggest risks within that part of

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the community. Sure. Is they're just going like,

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you know, I could've gone along with you

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if you had been doing this. Here's an

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interesting point that I think Dave Smith made

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in the,

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debate a while back Mhmm. Is that

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had Israel,

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October,

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went right to the UN, which, you know,

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like, history they've never really done, but just

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decided, you know what? We're gonna play this

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differently, right to the UN and said, we

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were attacked. We wanna go through the right

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channels. They would have never needed support for

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the rest of their life. I mean, it

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would have it it's so and then they

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could have gone on bombing and killing. Right?

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But just going to them and acting like

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they're going through the process, instead, they went

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right genocide, right out of the gate, started

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murdering children on day in daylight, and people

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expecting the same old thing and people looking

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the other way, but it just jarred people.

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You know? And so had they gone the

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right path, they clearly it they I they

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would have succeeded incredibly. You know? But the

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point is it just it jarred these people

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to the point to where they can't keep

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ignoring their the moral,

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you know, absence. Yeah. So

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it kinda reminds me of what we were

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just talking about with the situation in Syria

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or with the Druze, etcetera. So

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and then I mentioned Azerbaijan. So we may

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start to see

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two blocks

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kinda start to form. Right?

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And I wonder if maybe what's going on

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in Syria is so

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have we have we are we now witnessing

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Israel

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break the ceasefire without breaking the ceasefire? So

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in other words, we're going to initiate hostilities,

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but we're not gonna do it directly against

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Iran. Mhmm.

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But we are gonna reinitiate hostilities,

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and those hostilities eventually are going to spread.

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Yeah. They did it in Lebanon. They do

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it I mean, Craig Murray was highlighting that

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from day one, the supposed ceasefire at Lebanon.

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They broke that every day going forward. No

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one even talks about that, and they still

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never stopped it. But then the same with

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God, so they broke that every time. But

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so, like, you're saying, create having the conflict

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kinda drive out from other points so it's

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like they didn't break the ceasefire? Yeah. Yeah.

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Exactly. So they haven't launched

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new

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missiles at Iran. Now they may. I mean,

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just for all the

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reasons you just said, like in fact, I

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was gonna say earlier in the discussion, if

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we see the the ceasefire broken,

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I think there's a a much greater likelihood

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that it would be broken by Israel. Yeah.

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But

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what could be happening is that Israel is

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basically breaking it now. They're just not they're

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not technically breaking it because they're not launching

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Israel's or or, missiles at Iran,

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but they're engaging in hostilities

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that they know that some of their

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historic enemies are going to react to And

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perceive that way. And that's right. And they

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are eliciting that reaction Right. Without launching missiles

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directly at Iran. There's also the point you

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made about,

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reports. That's why I'm I briefly mentioned earlier

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that I can't verify, I don't think anyone

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has yet, that there's been events that have

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happened since that, ceasefire,

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bombings in certain areas that get dispute. Even

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by I think even Iran has an interest

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in going well either way, we're we're gonna

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claim it's not them. Right? Right. Right. But

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very well, I I feel makes sense. Even

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the way it went down was one more

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of these sleeper cells. And so your point

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being from Iran's perspective, Israel never stopped attacking

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them. Yeah. So I get that that makes

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sense. But I don't think hit Iran has

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been very I mean, they've shown restraint in

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more ways than I could imagine going from

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Syria, you know, any different many dynamics worth

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basically showing that they will not react the

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way that they want them to. They're not

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gonna be belligerent. They'll wait, like you mentioned,

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with the kind of possible back channel conversation.

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They they, you know, let them move things

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out of Cutter. They bomb Cutter afterward. You

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know? I think that they won't is what

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I'm getting at. I think that they're so

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restrained enough. Now, one thing that I have

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heard,

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Colonel Douglas McGregor say in various and he's

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given a lot of interviews the last couple

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of weeks. Now,

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I I I find myself listening to him,

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a little bit more than I used to.

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I used to because

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I think from a military perspective,

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he is very smart, and he knows exactly

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what he's talking about, and he probably has

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a lot of connections.

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I sometimes have felt that his overall geopolitical

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understanding has been a little bit lacking. Mhmm.

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And I would attribute that to,

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when you spend a long time in the

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military,

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you start to see things and this kinda

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goes back to the the way that I

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opened up the discussion, is that a lot

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of times military service can actually,

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negatively impact the way that you see the

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world. Because you get locked into this geopolitical

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construct in which the dominant actors on the

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stage are sovereign nations. Mhmm. And and you

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don't tend to think of, well, who's pulling

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the strings behind these different nations? And even

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if two nations go to war, is somebody

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pulling the strings of the leaders of both

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nations, you know, etcetera? Right. The the the

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military tend because you are

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you're an agent of your own government. I

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mean, for nineteen plus years, I wore a

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uniform that said US army. Right. It had

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a US flag on it. I mean, I

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mean, agent of the US government.

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So you tend to think of,

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well, The US does this, and our allies

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do this, and we have adversaries out there

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that do this. Mhmm. But I think that's

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kind of a simplistic

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geopolitical

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construct. Definitely. So you you kinda have to

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get away from that. So you have to

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if you can use your military experience, or

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I would say the same thing if somebody

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worked in in other parts of the government

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for a long time. If you can use

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that to

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inform the way in which you see things,

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give you a a framework to perhaps interpret

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them, but get rid of the baggage that

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that

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forces you or can,

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suggest that you see things in a very

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limited way. So, anyway, with with,

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McGregor, there are times in which I felt

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like,

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he's still kinda he he has his his

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geopolitical

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view here is is still a little bit

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limited. But more recently, I've actually

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been more appreciative of some of the things

2080
01:10:39,829 --> 01:10:40,869
that he said. I feel like he's kinda

2081
01:10:40,869 --> 01:10:41,829
come out of that a little bit. I

2082
01:10:41,829 --> 01:10:44,550
think partisanship plays a factor. Sure. Yeah. But

2083
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:46,710
in any case, I do think that one

2084
01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:48,390
thing that he has been saying recently that

2085
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:49,850
I that I do think has been insightful

2086
01:10:49,909 --> 01:10:50,409
is,

2087
01:10:53,274 --> 01:10:55,194
Israel depleted a lot of their assets of

2088
01:10:55,194 --> 01:10:57,194
missiles. Mhmm. Okay? So it's so it's a

2089
01:10:57,194 --> 01:10:58,795
resource game. And at the end of the

2090
01:10:58,795 --> 01:11:00,795
day, you know, it's a math problem. Mhmm.

2091
01:11:00,795 --> 01:11:02,814
If I'm launching this number of missiles

2092
01:11:03,194 --> 01:11:04,875
and you can launch more back at me

2093
01:11:05,114 --> 01:11:07,170
Mhmm. Then I may run out of missiles

2094
01:11:07,170 --> 01:11:08,770
before before you do. You know, if you

2095
01:11:08,770 --> 01:11:10,449
have stockpiles that are larger than mine

2096
01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:11,750
so

2097
01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:13,670
what he was suggesting is

2098
01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:16,850
there may be a a a couple so

2099
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:18,610
let's just say, perhaps there will be a

2100
01:11:18,610 --> 01:11:20,895
period of a couple of months that actually

2101
01:11:20,895 --> 01:11:23,534
gives Israel time to replenish their stockpiles. I

2102
01:11:23,534 --> 01:11:24,974
agree with that. Yeah. That I saw the

2103
01:11:24,974 --> 01:11:26,654
thought circulating as well, and I do I

2104
01:11:26,654 --> 01:11:28,494
think that's a at least a major part

2105
01:11:28,494 --> 01:11:30,494
of what happened. Mhmm. I also think that

2106
01:11:30,494 --> 01:11:32,175
it just was kind of a wake up

2107
01:11:32,175 --> 01:11:33,954
moment. I don't think Israel expected

2108
01:11:34,255 --> 01:11:36,289
Mhmm. Both things. I don't think they expected

2109
01:11:36,349 --> 01:11:37,010
as much

2110
01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:39,469
they didn't the the attack didn't succeed the

2111
01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:41,310
way they wanted it to. And that's, again,

2112
01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:42,590
assuming that then maybe that's the way it

2113
01:11:42,590 --> 01:11:44,270
was supposed to go. We consider that as

2114
01:11:44,270 --> 01:11:45,869
well. But I also don't think that if

2115
01:11:45,869 --> 01:11:47,715
this was just a genuine back and forth

2116
01:11:47,954 --> 01:11:49,875
that they expected the kind of response they

2117
01:11:49,875 --> 01:11:51,395
got or the ability to get through their

2118
01:11:51,395 --> 01:11:53,255
defenses. I think Iran completely

2119
01:11:54,114 --> 01:11:54,694
I mean,

2120
01:11:55,074 --> 01:11:56,435
if if their reports are true, I mean,

2121
01:11:56,435 --> 01:11:58,114
the Mossad headquarters, like, a couple of different

2122
01:11:58,114 --> 01:12:00,609
places, they claim they bombed Israel disputes. But

2123
01:12:00,609 --> 01:12:02,390
it seems as if the way they responded,

2124
01:12:02,449 --> 01:12:04,529
it was both the depletion but also just

2125
01:12:04,529 --> 01:12:06,850
that unless we get more support, we're not

2126
01:12:06,850 --> 01:12:08,010
gonna win this. And I think that's what

2127
01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:10,130
a lot of very educated military minds have

2128
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:12,369
been saying that they unless Israel can't win

2129
01:12:12,369 --> 01:12:14,210
this. And I mean, arguably, even The US

2130
01:12:14,210 --> 01:12:16,545
wouldn't be able to with everyone else involved.

2131
01:12:16,545 --> 01:12:18,864
You know? Yeah. And so so if let's

2132
01:12:18,864 --> 01:12:20,704
just assume that is true for a moment.

2133
01:12:20,704 --> 01:12:21,904
And I'm not saying it's not, but let's

2134
01:12:21,904 --> 01:12:23,204
just go with that for a moment.

2135
01:12:24,864 --> 01:12:26,244
So here's what that means.

2136
01:12:26,944 --> 01:12:29,810
So Israel's own government or Netanyahu, whatever you

2137
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:31,090
wanna call it, but if that's true and

2138
01:12:31,090 --> 01:12:32,310
we look at it that way,

2139
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:35,170
then they engaged in some sort of strategic

2140
01:12:35,170 --> 01:12:35,670
brinkmanship

2141
01:12:35,970 --> 01:12:38,470
that took their country to the very edge,

2142
01:12:38,529 --> 01:12:39,430
to the brink.

2143
01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:42,289
Mhmm. And and kind of basically, they backed

2144
01:12:42,289 --> 01:12:44,265
themselves into a corner so The United States

2145
01:12:44,265 --> 01:12:45,465
would have to get involved. That's what it

2146
01:12:45,465 --> 01:12:46,744
feels like. But there are plenty of people

2147
01:12:46,744 --> 01:12:49,145
who who say that is exactly what happened.

2148
01:12:49,145 --> 01:12:50,744
Yeah. Well, I mean, that that's a very

2149
01:12:50,744 --> 01:12:53,784
plausible outcome. Yeah. It is plausible. It does

2150
01:12:53,784 --> 01:12:55,304
make sense, especially when you look at what

2151
01:12:55,304 --> 01:12:56,984
they've been doing over the last seventy years.

2152
01:12:56,984 --> 01:12:58,350
You know? And clearly, they

2153
01:12:58,829 --> 01:13:00,189
probably even less than that depending on when

2154
01:13:00,189 --> 01:13:02,030
that started, but just trying to drive The

2155
01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:04,510
United States against Iran in a thousand different

2156
01:13:04,510 --> 01:13:06,430
ways. So it does make sense. Now there's

2157
01:13:06,430 --> 01:13:07,970
another way to look at this too.

2158
01:13:08,989 --> 01:13:11,310
Now I understand there there there are debates

2159
01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:13,295
going on right now, and I I I

2160
01:13:13,295 --> 01:13:14,494
don't have an opinion on this one way

2161
01:13:14,494 --> 01:13:15,314
or the other, but,

2162
01:13:15,935 --> 01:13:17,614
there are people out there that dispute the

2163
01:13:17,614 --> 01:13:19,534
existence of nuclear weapons. You know? Okay. It's

2164
01:13:19,534 --> 01:13:21,395
an interesting thought. I've heard that Yeah. Logically.

2165
01:13:21,534 --> 01:13:23,295
I I don't know. Mhmm. Okay. So let's

2166
01:13:23,295 --> 01:13:25,055
just let's just assume they're a thing. You

2167
01:13:25,055 --> 01:13:26,369
know, they're real for a moment.

2168
01:13:27,329 --> 01:13:29,489
So if Israel gets into a war with

2169
01:13:29,489 --> 01:13:31,329
Iran or with any of its neighbors that

2170
01:13:31,329 --> 01:13:33,570
are much, much, much larger Mhmm. That Israel

2171
01:13:33,570 --> 01:13:34,470
can't defeat

2172
01:13:34,930 --> 01:13:37,729
in a conventional war, then their threshold in

2173
01:13:37,729 --> 01:13:39,270
which they have to go nuclear

2174
01:13:39,604 --> 01:13:41,045
could be lower. Mhmm. You know? And so

2175
01:13:41,045 --> 01:13:43,765
that's just another it's just another dynamic that

2176
01:13:43,765 --> 01:13:45,765
is part of this this scenario as well.

2177
01:13:45,765 --> 01:13:47,524
Well, again, with the with the, you know,

2178
01:13:47,524 --> 01:13:49,925
asterisk of of the asterisk of the possibility

2179
01:13:49,925 --> 01:13:51,685
that those don't exist, the idea,

2180
01:13:52,085 --> 01:13:54,000
is the Samson option. You've I'm sure you're

2181
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,599
familiar with. You know? And the idea being

2182
01:13:55,599 --> 01:13:57,159
if you're not, we I Seymour Hersh wrote

2183
01:13:57,159 --> 01:13:59,119
a book about it. The point being that

2184
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:02,159
Israel will there's different disputes on overall, but

2185
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,719
launch nuclear weapons against everybody, including their allies,

2186
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:06,479
should they recognize they were about to fall.

2187
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,235
Mhmm. You know? And that's just and I've

2188
01:14:08,235 --> 01:14:10,314
heard that supported, but even just for, like,

2189
01:14:10,314 --> 01:14:13,114
a Wilkerson who, you know, has insight or

2190
01:14:13,114 --> 01:14:13,274
a,

2191
01:14:14,235 --> 01:14:16,235
I'm blanking on his name. Somebody's been making

2192
01:14:16,235 --> 01:14:17,774
the rounds, a former CIA

2193
01:14:18,475 --> 01:14:19,854
saying the same thing. John Kurukau. You know

2194
01:14:19,854 --> 01:14:21,690
what I'm saying? I've I've seen these people.

2195
01:14:21,690 --> 01:14:23,369
I've watched the way their intelligence operates. I

2196
01:14:23,369 --> 01:14:24,890
mean, there's some dark things they'll tell you,

2197
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:26,170
you know? Yeah. And so it just makes

2198
01:14:26,170 --> 01:14:27,930
sense with larger pictures. But, yeah, question it

2199
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:30,090
all. We definitely should. But all that being

2200
01:14:30,090 --> 01:14:32,409
said, I it makes sense to me that

2201
01:14:32,409 --> 01:14:34,090
this is about them trying to drive this

2202
01:14:34,090 --> 01:14:36,465
into reality. I think largely, my gut tells

2203
01:14:36,545 --> 01:14:38,625
tells me because they recognize that's where they're

2204
01:14:38,625 --> 01:14:41,024
inching toward. The Zionism has lost its influence.

2205
01:14:41,024 --> 01:14:42,944
People are questioning it like never before. Mhmm.

2206
01:14:42,944 --> 01:14:44,804
And I think they feel they need something

2207
01:14:45,024 --> 01:14:46,244
serious and jarring

2208
01:14:46,545 --> 01:14:48,484
to maybe shake us away from that. Sure.

2209
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,679
Yeah. That terrifies me. It it is. It

2210
01:14:50,679 --> 01:14:52,279
is. I mean, the whole idea of the

2211
01:14:52,279 --> 01:14:55,020
Samsung auction auction is is is terrifying.

2212
01:14:58,039 --> 01:14:58,939
Nuclear weapons,

2213
01:14:59,719 --> 01:15:02,385
again, assuming they exist. And this is I

2214
01:15:02,385 --> 01:15:03,364
find that fascinating,

2215
01:15:04,545 --> 01:15:06,145
but I haven't looked into it enough to

2216
01:15:06,145 --> 01:15:08,465
to, you know, to make a determination one

2217
01:15:08,465 --> 01:15:10,224
way or the other. Mhmm. But I understand

2218
01:15:10,224 --> 01:15:11,284
why people so

2219
01:15:12,304 --> 01:15:13,904
I'm assuming this holds true for you too,

2220
01:15:13,904 --> 01:15:15,204
but I am

2221
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:18,380
I'm I'm far enough down this road. I've

2222
01:15:18,380 --> 01:15:19,820
been playing this game long enough because I've

2223
01:15:19,820 --> 01:15:21,600
been researching this type of stuff for,

2224
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:24,560
I I don't know, since, like, 02/2007. Mhmm.

2225
01:15:24,939 --> 01:15:25,439
So

2226
01:15:26,460 --> 01:15:29,340
I I no longer dismiss things just because

2227
01:15:29,340 --> 01:15:31,494
they sound farfetched. Yeah. That's Because they're not

2228
01:15:31,494 --> 01:15:33,574
called that intelligence. Yeah. There are too many

2229
01:15:33,574 --> 01:15:34,074
things

2230
01:15:34,694 --> 01:15:36,375
that are pretty crazy that I've come to

2231
01:15:36,375 --> 01:15:38,295
believe. So anyway Or that you could prove,

2232
01:15:38,295 --> 01:15:40,074
I would say too. Yeah. So, like,

2233
01:15:41,175 --> 01:15:42,854
with the whole nuclear weapons thing, just because

2234
01:15:42,854 --> 01:15:44,239
it's kind kind of fun. I mean, not

2235
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:45,840
that nukes are fun, but just the idea.

2236
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,560
Right? Right. Because on the one hand, I

2237
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:49,860
could totally see

2238
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:51,539
how

2239
01:15:52,079 --> 01:15:53,539
they're not real

2240
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,300
and they've been used

2241
01:15:56,034 --> 01:15:58,675
to create I mean, the existence of nuclear

2242
01:15:58,675 --> 01:16:00,994
weapons was a huge pillar in the entire

2243
01:16:00,994 --> 01:16:02,295
geopolitical construct

2244
01:16:02,755 --> 01:16:05,234
that existed during, the Cold War. Yeah. But,

2245
01:16:05,234 --> 01:16:07,314
you know, mutually assured destruction and the fact

2246
01:16:07,314 --> 01:16:08,435
that, you know, The United States and The

2247
01:16:08,435 --> 01:16:10,114
Soviet Union are both, you know, nuclear powers,

2248
01:16:10,114 --> 01:16:10,614
etcetera.

2249
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,380
So I could kinda see

2250
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:14,280
why that,

2251
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:15,979
that veneer

2252
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,400
would would need to be there in order

2253
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,520
to kinda prop up that It makes sense.

2254
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,400
Construct. Yeah. You can see I mean, you

2255
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,079
know, you could see an easy you know,

2256
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:26,655
based on what we're even seeing today, a

2257
01:16:26,655 --> 01:16:28,015
world in which you have the Soviet Union

2258
01:16:28,015 --> 01:16:29,694
and United States who recognize that they're the

2259
01:16:29,694 --> 01:16:31,414
two pillar powers of the moment Yeah. Yeah.

2260
01:16:31,534 --> 01:16:32,814
And say, look. What if we just make

2261
01:16:32,814 --> 01:16:34,734
an agreement, you know, like, to create this

2262
01:16:34,734 --> 01:16:37,534
construct that will allow us to essentially rule

2263
01:16:37,534 --> 01:16:38,734
over everybody? I mean, that's not that a

2264
01:16:38,734 --> 01:16:40,574
farfetched word about the mind around. It's not.

2265
01:16:40,574 --> 01:16:42,284
But it comes down to the technology, which

2266
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:44,310
I think is definitely worth everyone's time. You

2267
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:45,989
know, everyone watching the show question everything. Right?

2268
01:16:45,989 --> 01:16:47,670
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's some interesting points that

2269
01:16:47,670 --> 01:16:49,829
are made. There's some very, very intelligent people

2270
01:16:49,829 --> 01:16:51,829
over the years that have done rounds and

2271
01:16:51,829 --> 01:16:53,829
talks everywhere where they're arguing, like, look. We

2272
01:16:53,829 --> 01:16:55,670
can prove this is not x, y, and

2273
01:16:55,670 --> 01:16:57,304
z. You know? And for me, it it's

2274
01:16:57,304 --> 01:16:59,404
hard. The only thing is there's of, like,

2275
01:16:59,545 --> 01:17:01,385
Pearl Harbor for a rather World War two

2276
01:17:01,385 --> 01:17:03,064
in general, the dropping of the bombs. You

2277
01:17:03,064 --> 01:17:05,145
know? That there's evidence that people point to,

2278
01:17:05,145 --> 01:17:06,904
but then there's the arguments of the the

2279
01:17:07,064 --> 01:17:08,344
like, here's a good point to make. There's

2280
01:17:08,344 --> 01:17:09,944
so many point directions to go in that,

2281
01:17:09,944 --> 01:17:12,100
like, you can look at, Hiroshima, and that

2282
01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:12,760
it's not

2283
01:17:13,140 --> 01:17:14,899
it's people things are growing back, and it's

2284
01:17:14,899 --> 01:17:16,659
okay. My point is, well, okay. You could

2285
01:17:16,659 --> 01:17:18,500
argue that means that it doesn't it's not

2286
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:20,420
real, or you could argue that they we

2287
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:22,899
just don't understand the repercussions, or maybe we've

2288
01:17:22,899 --> 01:17:23,800
under overestimated

2289
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:25,364
it. You know? It's just that there's so

2290
01:17:25,364 --> 01:17:27,204
many nuance points to it. But what do

2291
01:17:27,204 --> 01:17:28,965
you think about it? Yeah. So there are

2292
01:17:28,965 --> 01:17:29,524
two books,

2293
01:17:31,045 --> 01:17:32,244
which I have not had a chance to

2294
01:17:32,244 --> 01:17:35,145
dig into Mhmm. Yet. But, one of them

2295
01:17:36,005 --> 01:17:37,845
is, which I have the book. I've acquired

2296
01:17:37,845 --> 01:17:39,020
the book. I just haven't I I just

2297
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:40,300
got I haven't read it yet, but it's

2298
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:41,979
by Michael Palmer, who I believe is a

2299
01:17:41,979 --> 01:17:44,780
German MD. Mhmm. And I think it's called

2300
01:17:44,780 --> 01:17:47,760
Hiroshima Revisited. It's it's I think it's Hiroshima

2301
01:17:47,820 --> 01:17:48,320
Revisited.

2302
01:17:48,940 --> 01:17:49,440
But

2303
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:52,300
so from an MD's eyes, he looks at

2304
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:54,864
kinda what happened in Hiroshima. Mhmm. Okay.

2305
01:17:55,265 --> 01:17:56,864
And then there's another one by a Japanese

2306
01:17:56,864 --> 01:17:57,364
author.

2307
01:17:57,824 --> 01:17:59,185
And again, I I haven't read the book

2308
01:17:59,185 --> 01:18:00,465
yet, but I'm aware of it. Trying to

2309
01:18:00,465 --> 01:18:02,005
get the book. I do wanna read it.

2310
01:18:02,064 --> 01:18:03,845
I think his name is Akio

2311
01:18:04,625 --> 01:18:05,845
Nakatani, maybe.

2312
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,780
And that one is called,

2313
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,880
Death Object, and then there's a subtitle, which

2314
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,079
I don't recall off the top of my

2315
01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:13,940
head. But he also questions

2316
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,039
whether or not nukes were used, in Japan.

2317
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:17,539
So

2318
01:18:18,335 --> 01:18:20,094
I'm not saying they don't exist Mhmm. But

2319
01:18:20,094 --> 01:18:22,914
I am aware that there is an argument

2320
01:18:22,975 --> 01:18:24,734
out there being made by intelligent people that,

2321
01:18:24,734 --> 01:18:26,255
you know, that maybe they don't or or

2322
01:18:26,255 --> 01:18:27,395
or they don't or whatever.

2323
01:18:28,734 --> 01:18:29,534
But there's also

2324
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:33,070
so even if they do exist, you know,

2325
01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:35,250
technology has advanced so far

2326
01:18:35,710 --> 01:18:37,949
in the last however many decades. Right? Mhmm.

2327
01:18:37,949 --> 01:18:40,989
That there are also devastating weapons that are

2328
01:18:40,989 --> 01:18:43,390
non nuclear. There are types of kinetic weapons

2329
01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:45,645
now that, you know, governments have that are

2330
01:18:45,645 --> 01:18:46,625
very, very powerful

2331
01:18:47,085 --> 01:18:47,585
and,

2332
01:18:48,765 --> 01:18:50,845
and should be taken into consideration when we

2333
01:18:50,845 --> 01:18:52,864
think of, like, a threshold

2334
01:18:53,564 --> 01:18:55,484
that could be met, you know, in a

2335
01:18:55,484 --> 01:18:58,079
in a conventional war where that war then

2336
01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:00,880
passes into a new phase and very devastating

2337
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,119
weapons are used even if non nuclear. Yeah.

2338
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:04,399
Well, I mean, there I mean, going back

2339
01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:06,479
to your point about, I forget which part.

2340
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,479
We're talking about Gaza and well, just getting

2341
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,560
a general point about testing and manipulation that

2342
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,645
in Gaza, it's often used as a test

2343
01:19:12,645 --> 01:19:14,244
bed for new weaponry. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2344
01:19:14,244 --> 01:19:15,604
They call it battle tested, and they sell

2345
01:19:15,604 --> 01:19:17,284
it. They're killing innocent people with it. You

2346
01:19:17,284 --> 01:19:19,364
know, the the argument being that there's been,

2347
01:19:19,364 --> 01:19:20,965
again, the question of whether that's what it

2348
01:19:20,965 --> 01:19:21,764
was or not, but,

2349
01:19:22,404 --> 01:19:24,324
what do they call them? Low yield or

2350
01:19:24,324 --> 01:19:26,404
tactical nukes Mhmm. That were tested in these

2351
01:19:26,404 --> 01:19:26,904
areas.

2352
01:19:27,369 --> 01:19:29,550
For example, the explosion that happened in Lebanon,

2353
01:19:29,609 --> 01:19:31,689
in Beirut. People argue that might have been

2354
01:19:31,689 --> 01:19:33,529
something like that, that they said was fertilizer,

2355
01:19:33,529 --> 01:19:35,770
which I find impossible to believe. But there's

2356
01:19:35,770 --> 01:19:37,770
a lot of different elements of that possibility.

2357
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:39,369
But to your point, just this I mean,

2358
01:19:39,369 --> 01:19:40,890
at one at some point, a large enough

2359
01:19:40,890 --> 01:19:43,264
bomb, you know, it's it's about the fallout

2360
01:19:43,264 --> 01:19:44,864
that we're debating Yeah. Because there's large enough

2361
01:19:44,864 --> 01:19:46,145
bombs that, you know, that kill a lot

2362
01:19:46,145 --> 01:19:47,425
of people or even the point of, like,

2363
01:19:47,425 --> 01:19:49,425
a chemical or biological weapon Yeah. Which can

2364
01:19:49,425 --> 01:19:50,704
kill a hell of a lot more people

2365
01:19:50,704 --> 01:19:51,904
if it's done in a certain way. You

2366
01:19:51,904 --> 01:19:54,385
know? So the the the kinetic violence and

2367
01:19:54,385 --> 01:19:56,109
damage is still there either way, I think.

2368
01:19:56,109 --> 01:19:57,949
Yeah. I mean, there are weapons like the,

2369
01:19:59,149 --> 01:20:00,670
what they call the rod from God, which

2370
01:20:00,670 --> 01:20:02,430
is, like, basically Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, I

2371
01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:04,670
mean, it's like a like a telephone pole

2372
01:20:04,670 --> 01:20:05,489
made of tungsten.

2373
01:20:05,869 --> 01:20:07,469
That's crazy. You know? Yeah. I mean, it's,

2374
01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:09,494
you know, fired. I'm only right about that.

2375
01:20:09,494 --> 01:20:12,375
Anyway, yeah. So so its its impact is,

2376
01:20:14,215 --> 01:20:16,935
the force created by the impact is is

2377
01:20:16,935 --> 01:20:19,094
just incredibly devastating, but it's but it's not

2378
01:20:19,094 --> 01:20:20,534
nuclear. And it's just an object. Right? It's

2379
01:20:20,534 --> 01:20:22,774
just a, like, propelled yeah. That's that's interesting.

2380
01:20:22,774 --> 01:20:24,219
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So So, anyway, people can

2381
01:20:24,219 --> 01:20:26,399
look into that. But, yeah, it's just colloquially

2382
01:20:26,460 --> 01:20:28,000
called the the rod from god.

2383
01:20:29,099 --> 01:20:30,639
But I was gonna say, so

2384
01:20:32,539 --> 01:20:35,739
the so looking at weapons or or other

2385
01:20:35,739 --> 01:20:36,239
technology,

2386
01:20:36,859 --> 01:20:38,479
so I do think this is important.

2387
01:20:39,475 --> 01:20:42,114
So the military industrial complex. So this term

2388
01:20:42,114 --> 01:20:44,534
has been around for over sixty years. Right?

2389
01:20:45,074 --> 01:20:47,314
And, generally, when people think of the military

2390
01:20:47,314 --> 01:20:49,175
industrial complex, they think of these

2391
01:20:49,555 --> 01:20:50,454
large corporations

2392
01:20:51,074 --> 01:20:53,555
that create military hardware. I mean, someone's gotta

2393
01:20:53,555 --> 01:20:56,180
create tanks and bombs and aircraft carriers and

2394
01:20:56,180 --> 01:20:56,680
fighter

2395
01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:58,279
jets, you know, munitions,

2396
01:20:59,779 --> 01:21:02,279
you know, who builds submarines, etcetera. Right?

2397
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:05,300
And I think that's all important. And if

2398
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:07,060
we end up in a very large war,

2399
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:09,460
military hardware will continue to be very important.

2400
01:21:09,460 --> 01:21:09,914
However,

2401
01:21:10,715 --> 01:21:13,194
we do need to update our understanding of

2402
01:21:13,194 --> 01:21:15,435
what the military industrial complex is. Agreed. Because

2403
01:21:15,435 --> 01:21:16,734
in 2025,

2404
01:21:17,994 --> 01:21:20,795
it you gotta understand the importance of data

2405
01:21:20,795 --> 01:21:23,914
and metadata. And so, it's not just Lockheed

2406
01:21:23,914 --> 01:21:24,414
Martin,

2407
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:25,630
Raytheon,

2408
01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:28,489
but it's also Palantir that has, you know,

2409
01:21:28,489 --> 01:21:30,430
gained so much notoriety recently.

2410
01:21:31,530 --> 01:21:33,770
Anduril, there are other companies out there, you

2411
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:35,369
know, like Oracle or whatever, but there, you

2412
01:21:35,369 --> 01:21:36,810
know, there there are some of these that

2413
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:38,590
are very powerful, and these are,

2414
01:21:38,975 --> 01:21:41,215
make no mistake, these are a crucial part

2415
01:21:41,215 --> 01:21:43,234
of the military industrial complex nowadays.

2416
01:21:43,614 --> 01:21:46,095
Absolutely. I mean, I think that's where it's

2417
01:21:46,095 --> 01:21:47,694
all going, quite frankly. And and it's such

2418
01:21:47,694 --> 01:21:49,475
an important point to make right now that,

2419
01:21:49,694 --> 01:21:51,055
you know, I even I even make kind

2420
01:21:51,055 --> 01:21:52,095
of a similar point in the in the

2421
01:21:52,095 --> 01:21:54,063
point of, like, surveillance that a lot of

2422
01:21:54,063 --> 01:21:55,832
people are stuck with, like, you know, listening

2423
01:21:55,832 --> 01:21:57,600
devices and cameras, and we are so far

2424
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,368
beyond that. Yeah. Yeah. It's, like, almost irrelevant.

2425
01:21:59,368 --> 01:22:01,137
You know, your phone is right there, or

2426
01:22:01,137 --> 01:22:02,906
it's, like, Wi Fi mapping your house. We're

2427
01:22:02,906 --> 01:22:04,675
so far beyond this. That same kind of

2428
01:22:04,675 --> 01:22:06,444
thing is that, you know, we're focusing on

2429
01:22:06,444 --> 01:22:08,212
the kinetic side of it, but people are

2430
01:22:08,212 --> 01:22:09,934
arguing that even today that we're sort of

2431
01:22:09,934 --> 01:22:11,375
beyond that. Or even the idea of, like

2432
01:22:11,375 --> 01:22:13,694
like you mentioned earlier, fifth generation warfare as

2433
01:22:13,694 --> 01:22:15,854
opposed to even, like, deploying soldiers where it's

2434
01:22:15,854 --> 01:22:17,454
just, like, higher or drones. You know, we're

2435
01:22:17,454 --> 01:22:19,054
gonna do a whole new level of this

2436
01:22:19,054 --> 01:22:20,974
where we can, like, fundamentally change the way

2437
01:22:20,974 --> 01:22:23,054
we perceive how these work. And point being,

2438
01:22:23,054 --> 01:22:24,194
we can be played

2439
01:22:24,739 --> 01:22:26,420
with those things. You know, like you're talking

2440
01:22:26,420 --> 01:22:27,699
about, we could be looking at something else

2441
01:22:27,699 --> 01:22:29,460
while the real thing's happening over here. I

2442
01:22:29,460 --> 01:22:31,079
think it's a big part of that. So,

2443
01:22:31,939 --> 01:22:34,840
you've probably heard maybe you've even commented on,

2444
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:38,324
the, the AI system that the Israelis use

2445
01:22:38,324 --> 01:22:41,045
called Lavender? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Or Havsora. They

2446
01:22:41,045 --> 01:22:42,564
they used to see. Okay. So so you're

2447
01:22:42,564 --> 01:22:44,324
so you're aware of that. Maybe even your

2448
01:22:44,324 --> 01:22:45,765
audience has heard you talk about it, or

2449
01:22:45,765 --> 01:22:47,685
they've heard others comment on it. And there's

2450
01:22:47,685 --> 01:22:49,125
a lot of information out there that people

2451
01:22:49,125 --> 01:22:50,805
can just search, and they'll find about that.

2452
01:22:50,805 --> 01:22:51,305
So

2453
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:53,180
so

2454
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,900
two things that I I I wanna mention.

2455
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,360
One of them is is this is a

2456
01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:59,979
lot of conjecture on my part,

2457
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:01,739
but I'm still gonna mention it.

2458
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:05,180
So the Department of Defense,

2459
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,159
I don't know, maybe five or six weeks

2460
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:07,659
ago,

2461
01:23:08,255 --> 01:23:10,335
they made an announcement that they were going

2462
01:23:10,335 --> 01:23:11,395
to decrease

2463
01:23:12,014 --> 01:23:13,935
the number of generals and admirals that we

2464
01:23:13,935 --> 01:23:15,854
have at the top. Now just so people

2465
01:23:15,854 --> 01:23:17,774
know, we have a large military. I said

2466
01:23:17,774 --> 01:23:20,014
earlier, if you take into account all the

2467
01:23:20,014 --> 01:23:22,579
guard and reserve troops, it's over 2,000,000. So

2468
01:23:22,579 --> 01:23:24,439
it's we have a large force. Mhmm.

2469
01:23:25,460 --> 01:23:28,100
So we maintain billets. Just on the active

2470
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:31,880
duty side, we maintain billets across all services

2471
01:23:32,020 --> 01:23:34,340
for a total of about 600 generals and

2472
01:23:34,340 --> 01:23:36,520
admirals. Sometimes we go above that number,

2473
01:23:36,855 --> 01:23:39,595
but they're they're we maintain about 600 billets

2474
01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:41,895
for generals or admirals, one to four star.

2475
01:23:41,895 --> 01:23:44,215
What's a billet? It's like a position. Okay.

2476
01:23:44,215 --> 01:23:47,015
So, like, positions for about 600. Okay. Generals

2477
01:23:47,015 --> 01:23:49,494
or admirals, one to four star. Okay. Active

2478
01:23:49,494 --> 01:23:51,895
duty. That's including an army, navy, all of

2479
01:23:51,895 --> 01:23:53,810
them. You know, a total of about 600

2480
01:23:53,810 --> 01:23:54,310
guys,

2481
01:23:55,489 --> 01:23:57,010
whether they're a one star, two star, three

2482
01:23:57,010 --> 01:23:59,350
star, four star. Okay. That's a lot.

2483
01:24:00,609 --> 01:24:01,750
People have said,

2484
01:24:02,369 --> 01:24:03,270
rightfully so,

2485
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:06,289
hey. Our military during World War two was

2486
01:24:06,289 --> 01:24:08,914
much larger, and we had less generals and

2487
01:24:08,914 --> 01:24:10,795
admirals at the top. Maybe we're too top

2488
01:24:10,795 --> 01:24:13,514
heavy. Okay. Great. Maybe we are. Mhmm. So

2489
01:24:13,514 --> 01:24:14,014
so

2490
01:24:14,314 --> 01:24:16,074
a couple of weeks ago, whenever it was

2491
01:24:16,074 --> 01:24:17,295
five or six weeks ago,

2492
01:24:17,755 --> 01:24:19,514
DOD came out and said, we're gonna relook

2493
01:24:19,514 --> 01:24:21,854
this. We're gonna we're gonna decrease the number

2494
01:24:22,074 --> 01:24:23,835
of generals and admirals we have at the

2495
01:24:23,835 --> 01:24:24,210
top.

2496
01:24:25,170 --> 01:24:27,969
Now maybe that's a good thing. Maybe maybe

2497
01:24:27,969 --> 01:24:29,409
that should happen. Maybe it should happen a

2498
01:24:29,409 --> 01:24:31,489
long time ago. Mhmm. But there's a part

2499
01:24:31,489 --> 01:24:32,469
of me that says,

2500
01:24:34,449 --> 01:24:34,949
okay.

2501
01:24:37,375 --> 01:24:39,935
Maybe we should is there another reason that

2502
01:24:39,935 --> 01:24:41,395
they're doing this? Mhmm. And

2503
01:24:41,935 --> 01:24:44,175
is it because we're gonna get to a

2504
01:24:44,175 --> 01:24:46,034
point where we need less

2505
01:24:46,414 --> 01:24:48,654
human decision makers at the top? Yes. Now

2506
01:24:48,654 --> 01:24:51,010
that's conjecture on my part. Yeah. But those

2507
01:24:51,010 --> 01:24:52,609
are the types of questions that we at

2508
01:24:52,609 --> 01:24:55,250
least need to entertain. I 100% agree with

2509
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:57,090
that. I mean, right now, it's very obvious

2510
01:24:57,090 --> 01:24:58,689
that that's the direction that the world is

2511
01:24:58,689 --> 01:25:00,369
going in, that The US and China seem

2512
01:25:00,369 --> 01:25:02,569
to be driving everyone towards. Right? Clearly, and

2513
01:25:02,569 --> 01:25:04,369
a lot of other groups too. But so

2514
01:25:04,369 --> 01:25:06,045
the obvious point is that

2515
01:25:06,524 --> 01:25:08,685
they're gonna have less need for people in

2516
01:25:08,685 --> 01:25:11,085
those positions. Israel's demonstrating that right now. They're

2517
01:25:11,085 --> 01:25:12,844
showing that, you know, in the background in

2518
01:25:12,844 --> 01:25:13,824
in in other conversations.

2519
01:25:14,204 --> 01:25:15,484
But I agree with you, and I think

2520
01:25:15,484 --> 01:25:17,244
that that's whether or not that's why that's

2521
01:25:17,244 --> 01:25:19,564
happening Yep. I absolutely agree that's where we're

2522
01:25:19,564 --> 01:25:21,505
going. And I think that right now,

2523
01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:23,609
you know, it's also I mean, one other

2524
01:25:23,609 --> 01:25:24,649
thought I would add to it is that

2525
01:25:24,649 --> 01:25:26,010
it also might just be that there are

2526
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:27,630
people with certain mindsets

2527
01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:29,850
in leadership that might be a problem with

2528
01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:31,710
where things go. Yeah. That'd be my conjecture

2529
01:25:31,770 --> 01:25:34,350
added. So I'm I'm I I totally understand

2530
01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:38,164
all of the, quote, unquote, normal and maybe

2531
01:25:38,784 --> 01:25:41,024
even positive reasons as to why you might

2532
01:25:41,024 --> 01:25:42,725
reduce the the top heaviness

2533
01:25:43,104 --> 01:25:44,625
of our force. I totally get it. And

2534
01:25:44,625 --> 01:25:46,085
maybe that's all it is. Mhmm.

2535
01:25:47,425 --> 01:25:49,930
But because I trust so little of what

2536
01:25:49,930 --> 01:25:51,449
the government does, which is with the military

2537
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:53,770
Yeah. I I have to ask, you know,

2538
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:56,250
some of these these hard questions of, okay.

2539
01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:58,329
But is there because it's easy for them

2540
01:25:58,329 --> 01:26:00,170
to sell the idea. They can easily sell

2541
01:26:00,170 --> 01:26:01,770
the idea. Or to your point, it could

2542
01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:03,689
be both. It could be both. Right. But

2543
01:26:03,689 --> 01:26:06,444
here's another dot. So, also a couple of

2544
01:26:06,444 --> 01:26:07,185
weeks ago,

2545
01:26:08,685 --> 01:26:09,984
the army put out

2546
01:26:10,284 --> 01:26:11,984
that there were four guys

2547
01:26:12,444 --> 01:26:15,085
from the tech world, but specifically AI Mhmm.

2548
01:26:15,244 --> 01:26:17,164
That they were going to bring into the

2549
01:26:17,164 --> 01:26:17,664
military.

2550
01:26:18,039 --> 01:26:18,779
And they,

2551
01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:21,960
and these four guys, no military experience, no

2552
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,100
prior military experience,

2553
01:26:23,719 --> 01:26:25,500
they all come from, you know, important

2554
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:26,859
AI corporations,

2555
01:26:27,319 --> 01:26:29,340
and these guys have been commissioned

2556
01:26:29,719 --> 01:26:32,460
as lieutenant colonels in the army reserves.

2557
01:26:33,704 --> 01:26:35,304
Now, for those who aren't familiar with the

2558
01:26:35,304 --> 01:26:36,904
military, let me explain why this is so

2559
01:26:36,904 --> 01:26:38,045
weird. Okay?

2560
01:26:39,304 --> 01:26:39,804
So

2561
01:26:41,064 --> 01:26:44,024
DOD so the terms DOD, the Department of

2562
01:26:44,024 --> 01:26:45,404
Defense, and the military,

2563
01:26:45,864 --> 01:26:48,680
they're they're, like, mostly synonymous. You can kinda

2564
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:49,659
use them interchangeably,

2565
01:26:50,119 --> 01:26:52,840
but they're not exact synonyms. Mhmm. And DOD

2566
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,320
is technically larger than the military. Okay? Because

2567
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:56,840
you have a lot of civilians that work

2568
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:57,340
for

2569
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,439
DOD. So even I sometimes use the the

2570
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:00,939
terms

2571
01:27:01,244 --> 01:27:03,104
interchangeably, but they're not exactly synonymous.

2572
01:27:03,645 --> 01:27:05,164
And you can you can be a civilian

2573
01:27:05,164 --> 01:27:06,925
who works for DOD. There are many civilians

2574
01:27:06,925 --> 01:27:08,925
who do work for DOD. Mhmm. So do

2575
01:27:08,925 --> 01:27:11,085
we have engineers that work in research and

2576
01:27:11,085 --> 01:27:13,425
development? Yeah. Sure. Do we have other

2577
01:27:14,020 --> 01:27:16,340
scientists or other guys that come from, from

2578
01:27:16,340 --> 01:27:18,439
a very technically nuanced background

2579
01:27:19,060 --> 01:27:21,220
that are employed by DOD? They're they've they

2580
01:27:21,220 --> 01:27:23,060
work full time for DOD. Yes. Of course.

2581
01:27:23,060 --> 01:27:23,560
Mhmm.

2582
01:27:23,939 --> 01:27:26,500
You know, people know about DARPA. Right. Or

2583
01:27:26,739 --> 01:27:27,720
anyway. Okay.

2584
01:27:28,854 --> 01:27:29,835
My point is,

2585
01:27:30,695 --> 01:27:33,414
if you want to bring let's assume that

2586
01:27:33,414 --> 01:27:34,074
you think,

2587
01:27:34,454 --> 01:27:35,895
well, we have to be on the cutting

2588
01:27:35,895 --> 01:27:38,854
edge of AI because our adversaries are whatever.

2589
01:27:38,854 --> 01:27:40,795
Let's assume we accept that argument. Right?

2590
01:27:41,860 --> 01:27:44,900
And then I can understand why you would

2591
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:45,400
say

2592
01:27:45,780 --> 01:27:47,400
within the DOD apparatus,

2593
01:27:48,020 --> 01:27:50,659
we need smart guys that are on the

2594
01:27:50,659 --> 01:27:51,880
cutting edge of AI.

2595
01:27:52,340 --> 01:27:52,840
Okay?

2596
01:27:53,460 --> 01:27:55,140
But why do they why do they have

2597
01:27:55,140 --> 01:27:55,800
to have

2598
01:27:56,204 --> 01:27:57,484
ranks? Why do they have to wear the

2599
01:27:57,484 --> 01:27:59,564
uniform? Right. So here is the one thing

2600
01:27:59,564 --> 01:28:00,925
that I can think of, and I'm I

2601
01:28:00,925 --> 01:28:02,125
I know I'm not the only person to

2602
01:28:02,125 --> 01:28:02,784
say this.

2603
01:28:03,404 --> 01:28:04,925
There may be other reasons, but the one

2604
01:28:04,925 --> 01:28:06,944
thing that stands out at me is

2605
01:28:08,045 --> 01:28:09,585
guys who are in the military

2606
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,000
are now in the structure of giving and

2607
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,060
receiving orders,

2608
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,000
and so they can now give orders. Right.

2609
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,760
Now they're they're not active duty. They're in

2610
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:19,420
the reserves.

2611
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:21,880
But in terms of being a lieutenant colonel,

2612
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:23,239
the way the military looks at that is

2613
01:28:23,239 --> 01:28:24,760
if you're a lieutenant colonel, you're a lieutenant

2614
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,265
colonel. Right. Doesn't matter whether you're in the

2615
01:28:26,265 --> 01:28:28,185
reserves, whether you're in the guard, or whether

2616
01:28:28,185 --> 01:28:30,344
you're active duty. And so, like, I was

2617
01:28:30,344 --> 01:28:32,104
a lieutenant colonel, and I served for nineteen

2618
01:28:32,104 --> 01:28:34,024
years and four years at West Point before

2619
01:28:34,024 --> 01:28:35,965
that. Mhmm. And it took me

2620
01:28:36,344 --> 01:28:38,984
so it took me seventeen years to to

2621
01:28:38,984 --> 01:28:40,444
to make lieutenant colonel,

2622
01:28:40,780 --> 01:28:42,699
and these guys have made it with with

2623
01:28:42,699 --> 01:28:45,420
no military experience whatsoever. Mhmm. And so now

2624
01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:46,300
they're at a,

2625
01:28:47,899 --> 01:28:49,100
so if you're in the army and you're

2626
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:50,939
a lieutenant colonel, what does that mean? That

2627
01:28:50,939 --> 01:28:54,140
means you outrank far, far more people than

2628
01:28:54,140 --> 01:28:56,265
than outrank you. Yeah. The only people who

2629
01:28:56,265 --> 01:28:58,744
outrank you are generals, you know, one to

2630
01:28:58,744 --> 01:29:00,125
four star, or colonels.

2631
01:29:00,664 --> 01:29:02,045
So anyway so again,

2632
01:29:02,505 --> 01:29:05,225
I think this is something that we we

2633
01:29:05,225 --> 01:29:06,585
we gotta keep an eye on. Like, what's

2634
01:29:06,585 --> 01:29:08,505
going on here? I I 100% agree. It's

2635
01:29:08,505 --> 01:29:09,869
funny that you that that was gonna be

2636
01:29:09,869 --> 01:29:10,989
the point that I wanted to finish up.

2637
01:29:10,989 --> 01:29:12,189
So this is I'm glad you bring it

2638
01:29:12,189 --> 01:29:14,109
up. And, honestly, we already pretty much went

2639
01:29:14,109 --> 01:29:16,670
over the the that general point. And I

2640
01:29:16,670 --> 01:29:18,029
I did a show on this. I simply

2641
01:29:18,029 --> 01:29:20,590
called it detachment two zero one, technocracy in

2642
01:29:20,590 --> 01:29:22,510
uniform. Yeah. Right? That's how I see this.

2643
01:29:22,510 --> 01:29:24,029
Is it really I mean, we've all been

2644
01:29:24,029 --> 01:29:26,005
talking I mean, you mentioned Palantir, you know,

2645
01:29:26,005 --> 01:29:27,685
the idea of you know, even if you

2646
01:29:27,685 --> 01:29:29,604
don't like the word technocracy, just an idea

2647
01:29:29,604 --> 01:29:31,524
of, like, these technological the way they view

2648
01:29:31,524 --> 01:29:34,805
themselves elites Yeah. Technological elitists who think that

2649
01:29:34,805 --> 01:29:36,564
they know better. You know? And there's a

2650
01:29:36,564 --> 01:29:38,564
whole weird overlap with Eugenics to all this.

2651
01:29:38,564 --> 01:29:39,765
The point is that, you know, as you're

2652
01:29:39,765 --> 01:29:41,145
highlighting, you have Palantir's

2653
01:29:41,530 --> 01:29:45,610
CTO, Meta, and OpenAI, right, becoming lieutenant colonels.

2654
01:29:45,610 --> 01:29:46,729
It blew my mind. That was the point

2655
01:29:46,729 --> 01:29:49,130
that I highlighted as well. Military uniform. I

2656
01:29:49,130 --> 01:29:51,770
mean, this this is the exact thing that

2657
01:29:51,770 --> 01:29:53,630
I've been watching for is the transition

2658
01:29:54,010 --> 01:29:56,510
away from the current structure into, you know,

2659
01:29:56,570 --> 01:29:59,685
people like this being actual whether politicians

2660
01:30:00,065 --> 01:30:01,985
or actual military enforcers. I mean, that's where

2661
01:30:01,985 --> 01:30:03,985
we are now. Yeah. And so I'm very

2662
01:30:03,985 --> 01:30:06,065
worried about where this is going and whether

2663
01:30:06,065 --> 01:30:08,085
we're watching let's just end on this point.

2664
01:30:08,465 --> 01:30:10,065
Do you think that this is bigger than

2665
01:30:10,065 --> 01:30:12,145
just a transition and more so about some

2666
01:30:12,145 --> 01:30:13,045
kind of a coup?

2667
01:30:15,210 --> 01:30:17,609
That's an interesting question. Okay. Let let me

2668
01:30:17,609 --> 01:30:19,850
ask what you mean a coup by whom

2669
01:30:19,850 --> 01:30:22,890
against whom? Well, it's again just one thought

2670
01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:24,010
of it. I the way I framed it

2671
01:30:24,010 --> 01:30:26,109
in a recent show was the Zionist technocratic

2672
01:30:26,170 --> 01:30:27,545
coup of the United States. Mhmm. So I

2673
01:30:27,545 --> 01:30:29,545
see a multifaceted kind of a thing going

2674
01:30:29,545 --> 01:30:31,545
on with again, as we kinda discussed earlier,

2675
01:30:31,545 --> 01:30:33,064
that there a lot of these things are

2676
01:30:33,064 --> 01:30:34,824
in line, but not all in the same

2677
01:30:34,824 --> 01:30:36,824
line with everything. Right? But I would argue

2678
01:30:36,824 --> 01:30:38,505
if we're talking about it specifically in that

2679
01:30:38,505 --> 01:30:40,810
point, it would be some kind of technocratist,

2680
01:30:40,949 --> 01:30:42,789
elitist structure. Yeah. In this case, I could

2681
01:30:42,789 --> 01:30:45,930
see a Palantir overlap that the Marc Andreessen's

2682
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:48,390
and Carps and and Anduril, these kind of

2683
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:50,390
groups that are, you know, in a for

2684
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:51,829
a very long time, have had a hell

2685
01:30:51,829 --> 01:30:53,395
of a lot of influence on politics, who

2686
01:30:53,395 --> 01:30:55,074
have, for whatever reason, decided they have enough

2687
01:30:55,074 --> 01:30:57,875
momentum, enough control, and influence to just essentially

2688
01:30:57,875 --> 01:31:00,034
take over. And so what I'm seeing is

2689
01:31:00,034 --> 01:31:01,654
the Elon Musk representation

2690
01:31:01,954 --> 01:31:04,435
as well as OpenAI, but then Palantir, JD

2691
01:31:04,435 --> 01:31:06,755
Vance, like, through this administration. Yeah. And I

2692
01:31:06,755 --> 01:31:08,789
add Zionism because I think it's part and

2693
01:31:08,789 --> 01:31:10,310
parcel with this. It's it's, you know, same

2694
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:13,050
with the globalist idea. But that general structure

2695
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:15,430
sort of taking this like, this is the

2696
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:18,070
administration where there's shifting into place. That's how

2697
01:31:18,070 --> 01:31:19,270
I would look at it. But in a

2698
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:20,310
broad way, it's hard to Yeah. Yeah. It's

2699
01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:21,590
a good question. So here's what I would

2700
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:22,569
say. A couple thoughts.

2701
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:24,814
I don't entirely disagree. I think it's a

2702
01:31:24,814 --> 01:31:26,654
good question. I there there are maybe some

2703
01:31:26,654 --> 01:31:28,414
points of that I might quibble with. Mhmm.

2704
01:31:28,414 --> 01:31:28,914
So,

2705
01:31:31,694 --> 01:31:33,694
and the reason I asked the question, a

2706
01:31:33,694 --> 01:31:36,414
coup by whom, against whom, and even with

2707
01:31:36,414 --> 01:31:38,600
that, the important part of that is the

2708
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,859
against whom. So I kinda think

2709
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:43,579
that we have been

2710
01:31:44,039 --> 01:31:47,239
undergoing, like, a coup arc for a for

2711
01:31:47,239 --> 01:31:48,760
a long period of time. Mhmm. And I

2712
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,220
think that that coup arc

2713
01:31:51,824 --> 01:31:52,324
is

2714
01:31:53,105 --> 01:31:54,005
is punctuated

2715
01:31:54,545 --> 01:31:56,645
by certain discrete events

2716
01:31:56,945 --> 01:31:59,185
that occur along that arc. Mhmm. We could

2717
01:31:59,185 --> 01:32:00,945
look at, you know, obviously, the COVID operation.

2718
01:32:00,945 --> 01:32:02,244
We could look at nine eleven.

2719
01:32:02,945 --> 01:32:04,545
We could look at even things like,

2720
01:32:05,659 --> 01:32:07,659
like the assassination of JFK. If you wanna

2721
01:32:07,659 --> 01:32:09,000
go back further, you could look at things

2722
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,859
like, you know, 1913 and the Fed, you

2723
01:32:10,859 --> 01:32:12,939
know, etcetera, etcetera. Right. But there are these

2724
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:14,780
so the coup arc has been around for

2725
01:32:14,780 --> 01:32:16,539
a long time, but then there are these

2726
01:32:16,539 --> 01:32:19,725
discrete events that, like, move us into a

2727
01:32:19,725 --> 01:32:22,045
new phase of the arc. Mhmm. So in

2728
01:32:22,045 --> 01:32:22,864
that regard,

2729
01:32:23,485 --> 01:32:25,564
I don't know if I would necessarily characterize

2730
01:32:25,564 --> 01:32:26,604
this. I mean, you might be right, but

2731
01:32:26,604 --> 01:32:27,725
I'm just I'm just thinking where I might

2732
01:32:27,725 --> 01:32:29,405
quibble a little bit is I don't know

2733
01:32:29,405 --> 01:32:31,440
if I would characterize this as a kind

2734
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:33,199
of a a one and done type coup.

2735
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:35,220
Mhmm. But it could definitely be

2736
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,220
another one of these events

2737
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,479
along an already existing coup arc that takes

2738
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,400
us into a news a new phase. Yeah.

2739
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:43,994
And and that I would not disagree with

2740
01:32:44,155 --> 01:32:46,074
because I do believe that we're we are

2741
01:32:46,074 --> 01:32:46,975
moving into

2742
01:32:47,595 --> 01:32:49,994
a phase of technocracy. And you mentioned, hey.

2743
01:32:49,994 --> 01:32:51,515
Maybe people out there take issue with the

2744
01:32:51,515 --> 01:32:53,195
word technocracy, and maybe they do, but I

2745
01:32:53,195 --> 01:32:54,795
don't. Yeah. That's a word that I use.

2746
01:32:54,795 --> 01:32:57,189
Right. I mean, they're self avowed techno it's

2747
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:59,389
more about maybe people maybe don't understand what

2748
01:32:59,389 --> 01:33:01,109
it means in the explosive sense, you know,

2749
01:33:01,109 --> 01:33:03,109
or that it that we've been propagandized against

2750
01:33:03,109 --> 01:33:04,550
it. Yeah. But I think that's obviously a

2751
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:06,949
very real thing with tonight Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2752
01:33:06,949 --> 01:33:08,469
I mean, they you know, like I said,

2753
01:33:08,469 --> 01:33:11,029
many of them self describe. Mhmm. Mhmm. And

2754
01:33:11,029 --> 01:33:12,684
I also think that there is this

2755
01:33:13,465 --> 01:33:14,524
that technocracy

2756
01:33:15,064 --> 01:33:15,564
and

2757
01:33:16,104 --> 01:33:16,604
transhumanism,

2758
01:33:17,224 --> 01:33:18,764
that there there is an inextricable

2759
01:33:19,224 --> 01:33:21,304
link between those two. Yeah. I agree. And

2760
01:33:21,304 --> 01:33:21,965
in fact,

2761
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:25,159
just by way of maybe kinda wrapping up

2762
01:33:25,159 --> 01:33:27,000
this whole discussion, I'll give a I'll give

2763
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:28,760
a book recommendation out there for people. And

2764
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,140
it's it's actually a work of fiction.

2765
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,020
So people,

2766
01:33:34,679 --> 01:33:37,239
I I have long said people gotta read.

2767
01:33:37,239 --> 01:33:40,025
Like, Americans, we don't read enough. Yes. And,

2768
01:33:40,405 --> 01:33:40,905
also,

2769
01:33:41,284 --> 01:33:42,265
when you read,

2770
01:33:42,725 --> 01:33:45,284
you can't just read articles. And I'm not

2771
01:33:45,284 --> 01:33:46,645
saying articles are bad. I mean, I I

2772
01:33:46,645 --> 01:33:48,085
write a lot of Substack posts and people

2773
01:33:48,085 --> 01:33:50,085
write great op eds. That's not my point.

2774
01:33:50,085 --> 01:33:50,585
Mhmm.

2775
01:33:51,045 --> 01:33:53,300
But you have to read books because a

2776
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:56,520
book is different than even a very scholarly,

2777
01:33:56,659 --> 01:33:59,539
well defended article. Because the argumentation that you

2778
01:33:59,539 --> 01:34:01,060
put into place in a 300 page book

2779
01:34:01,060 --> 01:34:03,699
or whatever, right, compared to even a very

2780
01:34:03,699 --> 01:34:04,199
dense,

2781
01:34:04,819 --> 01:34:07,060
information rich, very well put together article, it's

2782
01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:09,515
still very different. Mhmm. And as Americans,

2783
01:34:10,375 --> 01:34:12,795
a lot of people are losing the intellectual

2784
01:34:13,015 --> 01:34:13,515
stamina

2785
01:34:14,135 --> 01:34:16,375
to read a book. Wow. And I, for

2786
01:34:16,375 --> 01:34:19,994
a long time, was reading almost exclusively nonfiction.

2787
01:34:20,135 --> 01:34:22,055
Mhmm. And I still read more nonfiction than

2788
01:34:22,055 --> 01:34:22,949
fiction. Mhmm.

2789
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:24,949
But I've started to go back and read

2790
01:34:24,949 --> 01:34:26,789
more fiction. I think there's a lot that

2791
01:34:26,789 --> 01:34:29,989
you can read in fiction that will supplement

2792
01:34:29,989 --> 01:34:32,070
what you're reading in nonfiction. Yeah. I agree

2793
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:32,869
with that. So,

2794
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:35,030
recently, over the last two years or so,

2795
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:36,570
I've been reading a lot of the dystopian

2796
01:34:36,630 --> 01:34:38,564
literature. Now I had read nineteen eighty four

2797
01:34:38,564 --> 01:34:39,625
previously. Okay?

2798
01:34:40,564 --> 01:34:42,404
But I but and and that's, like, the

2799
01:34:42,404 --> 01:34:44,744
granddaddy of the dystopian works. Right? Okay.

2800
01:34:45,125 --> 01:34:46,805
So if you haven't read nineteen eighty four,

2801
01:34:46,805 --> 01:34:48,324
read nineteen eighty four, but that's not actually

2802
01:34:48,324 --> 01:34:49,145
my book recommendation.

2803
01:34:50,130 --> 01:34:52,210
I'm I'm I'm I'm, I'm building up to

2804
01:34:52,210 --> 01:34:54,449
it. If you haven't read Brave New World

2805
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:56,609
Mhmm. Read that one too because you need

2806
01:34:56,609 --> 01:34:58,369
to understand, like, the hard approach and the

2807
01:34:58,369 --> 01:35:01,010
soft approach. Now there are and and and

2808
01:35:01,010 --> 01:35:02,770
Brave New World represents that kind of soft

2809
01:35:02,770 --> 01:35:05,224
approach, you know, where you you grow to

2810
01:35:05,224 --> 01:35:08,104
love your servitude. Right. Right. Now there are

2811
01:35:08,104 --> 01:35:09,545
people who will tell you that, you know,

2812
01:35:09,545 --> 01:35:12,204
George Orwell, whose real name was Eric Blair,

2813
01:35:12,344 --> 01:35:14,824
or Aldous Huxley, they will tell you, hey.

2814
01:35:14,824 --> 01:35:17,064
These guys aren't so much warning you as

2815
01:35:17,064 --> 01:35:18,920
much as they are. They are globalists, and

2816
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,939
they're telling you the insider plan. Right.

2817
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:23,800
Not my point. Regardless Mhmm. They are still

2818
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,000
very, very valuable. Right. Right. Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit

2819
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,520
four fifty one. Mhmm. You know, a great

2820
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,359
book. In fact, of those three, that one's

2821
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:32,085
probably my favorite. Oh, yeah. But there is

2822
01:35:32,085 --> 01:35:34,505
another one that people are less familiar with,

2823
01:35:35,284 --> 01:35:36,645
and it came out of Russia in the

2824
01:35:36,645 --> 01:35:38,484
nineteen twenties. It's a 100 year old novel,

2825
01:35:38,484 --> 01:35:40,805
and it's called We, w e. I've heard

2826
01:35:40,805 --> 01:35:44,005
of that. Okay? So so here's there are

2827
01:35:44,005 --> 01:35:46,529
a couple reasons why I would recommend that

2828
01:35:46,529 --> 01:35:49,029
people read it, and particularly right now.

2829
01:35:50,289 --> 01:35:51,349
So it predates

2830
01:35:51,810 --> 01:35:53,729
1980 well, both Brave New World and and

2831
01:35:53,729 --> 01:35:55,569
1984. Mhmm. So I think Brave New World

2832
01:35:55,569 --> 01:35:57,090
was published in 1932, and,

2833
01:35:58,364 --> 01:36:01,085
1984 was either in '48 or '49. I

2834
01:36:01,085 --> 01:36:02,125
forget. Yeah. But,

2835
01:36:02,845 --> 01:36:03,505
and then,

2836
01:36:04,765 --> 01:36:07,005
Fahrenheit April was in the early fifties, maybe

2837
01:36:07,005 --> 01:36:07,744
'53.

2838
01:36:07,805 --> 01:36:08,305
But

2839
01:36:08,845 --> 01:36:10,925
we is from the early twenties. I think

2840
01:36:10,925 --> 01:36:12,390
it was published in 1924.

2841
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:13,770
Interesting. So it was written

2842
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:15,050
in

2843
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:18,070
the the, like, in the Russian revolution during

2844
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:20,550
that time period by a Russian author named

2845
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:21,689
Yevgeny Zamiatin,

2846
01:36:22,710 --> 01:36:23,689
and the manuscript

2847
01:36:23,989 --> 01:36:26,710
was smuggled out of the Soviet Union and

2848
01:36:26,710 --> 01:36:28,394
was actually published first in The United States,

2849
01:36:28,394 --> 01:36:30,395
I think, in 1924. It's funny. I've only

2850
01:36:30,395 --> 01:36:31,514
I think I've only heard this once, but

2851
01:36:31,514 --> 01:36:33,034
it's it's ringing true. I've heard this vague

2852
01:36:33,034 --> 01:36:34,635
story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This out. So

2853
01:36:34,635 --> 01:36:36,654
so I'll explain why it's important. So

2854
01:36:37,835 --> 01:36:39,594
so then the so first of all, it's

2855
01:36:39,594 --> 01:36:42,014
written kind of in these early years of

2856
01:36:42,329 --> 01:36:44,489
what would become the Soviet Union. Mhmm. And

2857
01:36:44,489 --> 01:36:45,149
in fact,

2858
01:36:45,530 --> 01:36:47,770
supposedly, it was the first work that was

2859
01:36:47,770 --> 01:36:50,890
actually censored by the Soviet Union. So, obviously,

2860
01:36:50,890 --> 01:36:52,729
the manuscript is written in Russian, but it's

2861
01:36:52,729 --> 01:36:54,189
first published in English.

2862
01:36:54,489 --> 01:36:56,430
And I believe, if I remember this correctly,

2863
01:36:57,085 --> 01:36:59,744
the first copies in Russian of the novel

2864
01:37:00,524 --> 01:37:03,345
weren't from the original manuscript, but they were

2865
01:37:03,885 --> 01:37:05,104
Russian translations

2866
01:37:05,725 --> 01:37:07,104
of the English translation

2867
01:37:07,805 --> 01:37:09,645
of the original manuscript. It it it'd be

2868
01:37:09,645 --> 01:37:11,405
interesting to compare those two in Russian. Anyway

2869
01:37:11,564 --> 01:37:14,460
Interesting. It would not actually be published in

2870
01:37:14,460 --> 01:37:16,539
The Soviet Union until the eighties. So, you

2871
01:37:16,539 --> 01:37:18,539
know, sixty years after it was written. Mhmm.

2872
01:37:18,539 --> 01:37:20,859
But why is this so important? So first

2873
01:37:20,859 --> 01:37:21,520
of all,

2874
01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:23,119
George Orwell

2875
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:26,475
said that he was influenced heavily by this

2876
01:37:26,475 --> 01:37:28,395
novel. Mhmm. And and the two plot lines

2877
01:37:28,395 --> 01:37:29,454
are actually quite similar.

2878
01:37:30,875 --> 01:37:31,375
But

2879
01:37:31,994 --> 01:37:34,954
the novel, what it posits is a a

2880
01:37:34,954 --> 01:37:38,015
a futuristic society. It's called One State. Mhmm.

2881
01:37:38,074 --> 01:37:39,055
But it is

2882
01:37:40,130 --> 01:37:41,829
it is ruled by

2883
01:37:42,449 --> 01:37:44,949
basically math, like mathematical principles.

2884
01:37:45,250 --> 01:37:45,750
Okay?

2885
01:37:46,210 --> 01:37:48,369
So in that way, what you would say

2886
01:37:48,369 --> 01:37:51,109
is it's it's it is a society

2887
01:37:51,809 --> 01:37:53,649
kind of as utilitarian as you could get

2888
01:37:53,809 --> 01:37:55,965
Mhmm. As rationalistic as you could get,

2889
01:37:56,524 --> 01:37:57,024
and,

2890
01:37:58,204 --> 01:38:02,064
mathematically optimized. Mhmm. You know? And so the

2891
01:38:02,125 --> 01:38:04,844
the, the protagonist in the novel who has

2892
01:38:04,844 --> 01:38:05,585
no name,

2893
01:38:06,045 --> 01:38:08,630
he goes by d five zero three. So

2894
01:38:08,630 --> 01:38:10,310
all the characters in the novel, they don't

2895
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:11,829
have names. They just go by, like, a

2896
01:38:11,829 --> 01:38:14,229
combination of letters and numbers. Oh, interesting. And

2897
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:16,470
he's d five zero three. He is a

2898
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:19,350
mathematician, but more specifically, he is a, he's

2899
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:20,729
a spaceship engineer.

2900
01:38:21,670 --> 01:38:22,170
Okay?

2901
01:38:22,854 --> 01:38:24,614
Anyway, I'm not gonna tell any more about

2902
01:38:24,614 --> 01:38:25,194
the plot,

2903
01:38:25,734 --> 01:38:27,094
just because I do think people should read

2904
01:38:27,094 --> 01:38:27,675
it. But

2905
01:38:28,054 --> 01:38:30,074
but this novel is a 100 years old,

2906
01:38:30,215 --> 01:38:32,135
and and there are moments in the novel

2907
01:38:32,135 --> 01:38:34,135
that are quite philosophical, where you start talking

2908
01:38:34,135 --> 01:38:35,654
about the importance of math and what it

2909
01:38:35,654 --> 01:38:36,390
means to

2910
01:38:36,789 --> 01:38:40,070
regiment a society along mathematical principles. Mhmm. But

2911
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:42,070
if you were to update that thought Mhmm.

2912
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:44,229
Modernize that thought by a century, and you

2913
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:45,610
look at where we're at now,

2914
01:38:45,989 --> 01:38:48,970
well, we would call that governance by

2915
01:38:50,005 --> 01:38:52,565
algorithm or governance by AI. I mean, that

2916
01:38:52,565 --> 01:38:54,405
is that is where we are headed. You

2917
01:38:54,405 --> 01:38:56,425
know? What does the algorithm tell

2918
01:38:57,045 --> 01:38:58,885
the state that it should do, etcetera. So

2919
01:38:58,885 --> 01:38:59,805
anyway Very interesting.

2920
01:39:00,324 --> 01:39:01,925
You know, these are some 100 year old

2921
01:39:01,925 --> 01:39:03,784
ideas that that I I I think

2922
01:39:04,489 --> 01:39:06,649
should resonate with us now. So, anyway, so

2923
01:39:06,649 --> 01:39:07,149
I

2924
01:39:07,529 --> 01:39:09,210
I offer that out there for everybody listening.

2925
01:39:09,210 --> 01:39:11,609
So Yevgeny Zamiatan is the author. You can

2926
01:39:11,609 --> 01:39:13,289
easily find it. The name of the novel,

2927
01:39:13,289 --> 01:39:15,369
again, is We. Well, thanks for recommendation. I'm

2928
01:39:15,369 --> 01:39:17,130
definitely gonna check that out. A couple ending

2929
01:39:17,130 --> 01:39:17,630
thoughts.

2930
01:39:18,324 --> 01:39:20,645
Derek wrote an article called Doge, is efficiency

2931
01:39:20,645 --> 01:39:21,704
a gateway to technocracy?

2932
01:39:22,164 --> 01:39:24,425
I used Elon Musk's face over,

2933
01:39:24,885 --> 01:39:27,064
I forget his first name. Name was Taylor.

2934
01:39:27,204 --> 01:39:29,284
He was responsible what's called Taylorism, which was

2935
01:39:29,284 --> 01:39:31,890
a precursor to technocracy and the efficiency movement.

2936
01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:33,489
And so it's interesting if you look back

2937
01:39:33,489 --> 01:39:34,930
to that point, it's the same idea. It's

2938
01:39:34,930 --> 01:39:36,930
about he carried a pocket watch. It would

2939
01:39:36,930 --> 01:39:38,689
walk around, like, timing people and just trying

2940
01:39:38,689 --> 01:39:39,970
to shave off seconds, and it's kind of

2941
01:39:39,970 --> 01:39:42,770
an interesting overlap as well as, the point

2942
01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:44,310
just to give someone

2943
01:39:45,125 --> 01:39:46,725
an article or rather a show to watch

2944
01:39:46,725 --> 01:39:48,804
based on that last point. James Corbett did

2945
01:39:48,804 --> 01:39:50,344
a show called called Algocracy

2946
01:39:50,645 --> 01:39:52,284
government for the new world order. Right. Right.

2947
01:39:52,284 --> 01:39:54,324
And it's just about governments by algorithm. That's

2948
01:39:54,324 --> 01:39:56,164
right. I recently actually did a show too

2949
01:39:56,164 --> 01:39:56,664
called,

2950
01:39:58,500 --> 01:40:00,500
a, it was called the impending future of

2951
01:40:00,500 --> 01:40:02,979
AI government, but then the kind of additional

2952
01:40:02,979 --> 01:40:04,819
point behind it was but who controls the

2953
01:40:04,819 --> 01:40:06,180
AI. Sure. Right? Sure. So it's just yeah.

2954
01:40:06,180 --> 01:40:07,539
I'm with you, man. We're going in a

2955
01:40:07,539 --> 01:40:10,215
very dangerous direction, and it seems that regardless

2956
01:40:10,215 --> 01:40:12,375
of the flavor, all the power structures are

2957
01:40:12,375 --> 01:40:13,895
going in that that direction. You know? So

2958
01:40:13,895 --> 01:40:15,255
that's kind of the larger point again than

2959
01:40:15,255 --> 01:40:16,534
it seems like we're just being played off

2960
01:40:16,534 --> 01:40:18,215
each other to get to a point to

2961
01:40:18,215 --> 01:40:20,534
the the power structures you want. That's right.

2962
01:40:20,534 --> 01:40:21,654
That's right. But it's just it's such an

2963
01:40:21,654 --> 01:40:23,895
insightful conversation, man. I always enjoy talking with

2964
01:40:23,895 --> 01:40:25,350
you. I think that this, you know, gives

2965
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:27,030
people kind of a glimpse into the way

2966
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:28,710
you see the world and and, you know,

2967
01:40:28,710 --> 01:40:30,229
you see things and have understood things and

2968
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:31,430
been involved with things that a lot of

2969
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:32,949
people haven't. And so I really appreciate you

2970
01:40:32,949 --> 01:40:35,189
giving us that insight, having this conversation. We

2971
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:37,030
should definitely do it again. Anything else you

2972
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:38,805
wanna leave anybody with before we wrap up

2973
01:40:38,805 --> 01:40:40,244
today? Yeah. I just the last thing I'll

2974
01:40:40,244 --> 01:40:42,025
say just as we talk about that is,

2975
01:40:42,805 --> 01:40:45,685
you know, with this novel, we, it's what

2976
01:40:45,845 --> 01:40:48,085
you you you can't argue against math. Yeah.

2977
01:40:48,085 --> 01:40:50,005
You know, math is immutable. Right. And you

2978
01:40:50,005 --> 01:40:51,604
can already see people are making the same

2979
01:40:51,604 --> 01:40:53,125
arguments now, but you you can already see

2980
01:40:53,125 --> 01:40:54,425
how the narrative writes itself.

2981
01:40:54,869 --> 01:40:57,050
You can't you can't argue against the AI.

2982
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:58,569
Right. You know? So,

2983
01:40:59,590 --> 01:41:01,429
it is a brave new world that we

2984
01:41:01,429 --> 01:41:03,350
are we are moving into. I have heard

2985
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:05,909
that term algocracy that you mentioned that, that

2986
01:41:05,909 --> 01:41:08,244
Corbett had used. So, yeah, we gotta keep

2987
01:41:08,244 --> 01:41:10,345
our eyes open. It's important that we're constantly

2988
01:41:10,404 --> 01:41:13,204
refining our strategic assessments Mhmm. So that we

2989
01:41:13,204 --> 01:41:15,204
can because things are moving really fast. Yeah.

2990
01:41:15,204 --> 01:41:16,564
And I don't think they're gonna slow down.

2991
01:41:16,564 --> 01:41:18,404
So, anyway, thanks for inviting me. Glad to

2992
01:41:18,404 --> 01:41:19,685
be here in studio with you once again,

2993
01:41:19,685 --> 01:41:21,349
and, thanks for all you do, brother. Thanks,

2994
01:41:21,349 --> 01:41:22,469
man. And I'll I'll leave us with a

2995
01:41:22,469 --> 01:41:23,909
thought then. And feel free to comment since

2996
01:41:23,909 --> 01:41:26,090
that we didn't get into this of Elon's

2997
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:28,309
America party and kind of that direction and

2998
01:41:28,309 --> 01:41:30,710
people are already going, like AI algorithm. Like,

2999
01:41:30,710 --> 01:41:32,149
they, you know, that maybe that's where they

3000
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:33,590
go with that because Yeah. You could see

3001
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:35,670
a portion of the population that would base

3002
01:41:35,670 --> 01:41:37,225
just like we were saying before because they're

3003
01:41:37,225 --> 01:41:39,305
only focused on the current problems, go like,

3004
01:41:39,305 --> 01:41:41,145
yes. That seems like a solution to our

3005
01:41:41,145 --> 01:41:42,905
deal dealing with right now. Yeah. Yeah. So

3006
01:41:42,905 --> 01:41:44,985
that's, you know as always, guys, question everything.

3007
01:41:44,985 --> 01:41:46,185
We have to be in a position where

3008
01:41:46,185 --> 01:41:48,425
we are critical of everything, including what we

3009
01:41:48,425 --> 01:41:50,104
think we know. And, you know, this is

3010
01:41:50,104 --> 01:41:51,704
just why it's important. And I'm glad that,

3011
01:41:51,704 --> 01:41:52,699
you know, you've been on this path for

3012
01:41:52,699 --> 01:41:53,859
a long time, brother, and I'm honored to

3013
01:41:53,859 --> 01:41:55,300
be here talking with you. So thanks again.

3014
01:41:55,300 --> 01:41:58,100
Likewise. Thanks, man. As always, question everything. Come

3015
01:41:58,100 --> 01:42:00,039
to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

3016
01:42:02,020 --> 01:42:03,960
We annually spend on military

3017
01:42:04,340 --> 01:42:05,399
security alone

3018
01:42:05,914 --> 01:42:08,655
more than the net income of all United

3019
01:42:08,715 --> 01:42:09,695
States corporations.

3020
01:42:11,835 --> 01:42:14,975
Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment

3021
01:42:15,034 --> 01:42:18,155
and a large arms industry is new in

3022
01:42:18,155 --> 01:42:19,295
the American experience.

3023
01:42:20,860 --> 01:42:22,000
The total influence,

3024
01:42:22,619 --> 01:42:23,119
economic,

3025
01:42:23,500 --> 01:42:24,000
political,

3026
01:42:24,619 --> 01:42:25,440
even spiritual,

3027
01:42:26,060 --> 01:42:27,600
is felt in every city,

3028
01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:30,380
every state house, every office of the federal

3029
01:42:30,380 --> 01:42:30,880
government.

3030
01:42:31,979 --> 01:42:34,880
We recognize the imperative need for this development,

3031
01:42:35,765 --> 01:42:37,945
yet we must not fail to comprehend

3032
01:42:38,484 --> 01:42:39,864
its grave implications.

3033
01:42:40,965 --> 01:42:41,784
Our toil,

3034
01:42:42,244 --> 01:42:44,664
resources, and livelihood are all involved.

3035
01:42:45,364 --> 01:42:47,545
So is the very structure of our society.

3036
01:42:49,079 --> 01:42:50,539
In the councils of government,

3037
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,199
we must car guard against the acquisition of

3038
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:55,340
unwarranted influence

3039
01:42:55,719 --> 01:42:57,179
whether sought or unsought

3040
01:42:57,639 --> 01:43:00,060
by the military industrial complex.

3041
01:43:01,295 --> 01:43:04,195
The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced

3042
01:43:04,255 --> 01:43:05,235
power exists

3043
01:43:05,614 --> 01:43:06,595
and will persist.

3044
01:43:07,854 --> 01:43:09,695
We must never let the weight of this

3045
01:43:09,695 --> 01:43:13,074
combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.

3046
01:43:13,935 --> 01:43:15,555
We should take nothing for granted,

3047
01:43:16,789 --> 01:43:19,210
only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry

3048
01:43:19,989 --> 01:43:20,810
can compel

3049
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:23,989
the proper meshing of the huge industrial and

3050
01:43:23,989 --> 01:43:25,689
military machinery of defense

3051
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:28,409
with our peaceful methods and goals,

3052
01:43:29,345 --> 01:43:32,485
so that security and liberty may prosper together.

3053
01:43:33,425 --> 01:43:35,845
As we peer into society's future,

3054
01:43:36,385 --> 01:43:36,885
we,

3055
01:43:38,064 --> 01:43:39,045
you and I,

3056
01:43:39,345 --> 01:43:40,324
and our government

3057
01:43:40,945 --> 01:43:43,185
must avoid the impulse to live only for

3058
01:43:43,185 --> 01:43:43,685
today,

3059
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:46,619
plundering for our own ease and convenience

3060
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:49,179
the precious resources of tomorrow.

3061
01:43:50,279 --> 01:43:51,819
We cannot mortgage

3062
01:43:52,199 --> 01:43:54,219
the material assets of our grandchildren

3063
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,579
without risking the loss also of their political

3064
01:43:57,719 --> 01:43:58,939
and spiritual heritage.

3065
01:44:00,315 --> 01:44:03,695
We want democracy to survive for all generations

3066
01:44:03,755 --> 01:44:04,414
to come,

3067
01:44:05,195 --> 01:44:08,255
not to become the insolvent fan of tomorrow.