We're gonna be discussing the idea of the
false binary.
What an illusion of choice does, it establishes
the baseline assumptions that nobody questions.
This is part of the fifth generation warfare
that we've talked about. Voting for the lesser
of two evils, definitely an emotional, psychological trap
that people are in. You're cheerleading for an
insane ideology
because you think you're winning. The role we
have is media. How do we help everybody
understand this is theater, and you need to
get back into the real world? If you're
opposed to the agenda, you should oppose it
regardless of who's selling it to you.
Welcome to the Independent Media Alliance. We're here
again today to discuss quite a few different
things, but we're gonna start with discussing kind
of the recent steps, continual steps in the
direction of the building control grid and, you
know, what else is happening that's distracting us
from that and and the different kind of
moving parts that are all coming together in
front of us. Catherine, Steve, and Charlie here
joining today. Let's, let's kick it off. Anybody
wanna say hello? Let's kick it off with
Catherine giving us her, updated points on where
you know, what we what we talked about
last time on the steps and then following
up today into what steps have happened since
then. And, go ahead and kick us off,
Catherine. How are you?
So,
we've been collecting a collection of the
what the current administration is doing to build
the control grid. And it's definitely accelerating, and
it's accelerating with,
the big beautiful bill, which was filled
with money and and provision for the surveillance
grid in The United States,
you know, very much sold to you under
the guise of immigration. But,
when you integrate it into
what's happening, it's
an enormous
lift to the sort of the building of
the control grid. Derek,
did a great article that is one that
we've linked from the collection.
And one of the reasons we're updating this
collection every week is literally there's so much
happening. I even I can't keep it all,
You know, I I need to go back
and go through the list. It's quite remarkable.
Another thing,
Brian, I'd love to discuss today is I've
you know, as we've been watching what's been
rolling out in The Middle East, we're watching
a lot of control and surveillance
technology used in The Middle East, including, you
know, to engineer the killbox.
And we're now looking at a machinery that
that implements
control
all the way from surveillance
to invasive
participation through the financial and legal system all
the way up into the kill box. And
it's very much an integrated system using integrated
data. So,
but but it it was such that,
our wonderful
Jeremy Nell of Germ Warfare does our cartoons
and he made a cartoon,
that sort of reminded me sometime how I
feel. I told you earlier, when I I
keep walking through airports listening to Christy Noem
push the Real ID
and, this is exactly
how
I
feel.
Without Catherine, I don't mean to to interrupt,
but
into place.
We the we when we flew back into
San Francisco Airport yesterday morning from Denver,
it we went from the construction workers or
lizard people to AI as your best friend,
like, for all of the propaganda on the
walls, and it was just, I mean, wildly
dystopian.
It it was, yeah, unsettled.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. And you have the tsunami
of of events, many of which are important
and because a change is accelerating.
But it it can feel very overwhelming. And
meantime, you're watching that digital control grid sneak
in.
Right. For those in the podcast, what we're
looking at here is the a person sitting
at the bar fixated on the screen next
to him that says digital control grid, and
then 99%
of the rest of the bar is crowded
on one side looking at a screen packed
with wars, Trump, politics, you know, and that's
the general entendance that we're being distracted. And
I I will add to that that, you
know, it doesn't mean that wars and different
things are irrelevant. Clearly, they are very relevant,
but that's why usually the best manipulations involve
the truth, you know, and they're using that
to drive us away from the obvious.
So why don't we start with in on
top of that,
Steve, Charlie, you guys have any thoughts on
currently where the control grid is and and
where that's going? Well, I it's piggybacking on
what Catherine said about the airport, I used
to think that the worst part of the
airport experience was that you would be force
fed CNN while you were waiting for your
flight. But, apparently, now you get Christy Noem
on top of that chilling for real ID.
No. It's it's gross. It's gross.
I yeah.
I mean, we've just we watched this,
expand rapidly over the last couple of years.
The the big rollout, of course, being during
the the COVID lockdowns
when,
everybody
got to sit by themselves and get comfortable
with the idea
of isolated,
digitally provided life
and, all of your groceries, your meals came
delivered,
all of your information came through your device.
You weren't allowed to go
touch grass. You weren't allowed to go, you
know,
they they were ticketing people for being on
a beach
or surfing, you know, stuff like that. Like,
if you're by yourself in the middle of
the ocean, you're gonna give the fish COVID,
really? Is that what you're concerned about? Like,
no. This is a that there's an obvious
agenda being played out. And now that you've
softened the populace up, dumbed them down, and
have them desperate
for some sort of connection, you can hand
them all of the AI chatbots,
which gets them really used to the idea
of governance being done in the exact same
manner.
And the amount of, like, cross cultural programming
that's involved in this is manifesting in people
trying to marry their chatbot
or people trying to,
you know, seriously think about uploading their consciousness
in some way, shape, or form, which is
preposterous. That's the way you upload your consciousness
is when you go to heaven. Like, that's
the plain and simple.
I wonder So are you seeing more
go ahead, Charlie. Oh, well, I was just
I wonder if if part of watching the
wheels fall off of government is part of
the plan.
It's to get you to the point where
it's universally
accepted that the current
iteration of government is so deeply flawed with
human beings because human
beings bring their own prejudices
and desires and wants into it that maybe
we should consider the concept of a government
run by, say, computers that could be
programmed to be fair and balanced and and
take all
Did you see Rogan Rogan said it on
his show? Right. I can't believe I'm saying
it, but we need AI government. That's what
he said on his show to the largest
podcast on the incident
world. That's a real bad idea.
Yeah. I just don't know how else to
say it, and it feels like maybe we're
being
walked into it that Mhmm. You know, you
throw your hands up and go, anything's gotta
be better than what we've currently got. Sounds
like US sanctions. Auction out here.
That's the logic of the US government. Right?
They push you in a place where you're
vulnerable, where you're, you know, almost where you'll
accept even though you know it's a problem,
what they're presenting because it feels better than
what you're currently living in, you know. But
let me ask you guys a question. In
in a sense of like the COVID nineteen
time frame, you know, there's a lot of
theories around what that was, what they tried
to accomplish. But Steve made this an excellent
point that I think we've all considered, you
know. Is it possible at least in part
or in whole that what that was was
just a primus for this massive shift into
the digital control grid and the future. You
know? It seems like it lines up in
a lot of ways. What do you think?
So I just think it was part of
the going direct reset.
So Debbie Lerman just I don't know if
you've seen her new book. It's called The
Deep State Goes Viral. And she does a
very good job
of proving what Sasha Latypovic and Catherine Watt
have already proved, which is it was a
military intelligence operation.
Mhmm. But she goes through it in great
detail. And what you see is,
you know, this was a group of people
who were basically authorized and promoted by the
military and intelligence community,
and they couldn't care less what the scientists
or doctors said. That had nothing
that that bore no relevance to what they
wanted people to do.
And if you look at the economic and
political result, it was very successful
at producing enormous
political and economic centralization,
you know, tremendous
move of assets off of Main Street into
Wall Street, and it was very successful if
you look at it as a part of
the going direct reset. And we know the
going direct reset was voted on in August
or or or reviewed by the central bankers
in August 2019.
The Fed comes back, starts intervening in the
in the repo market. And then by March,
you have the, you know, the the the
COVID nineteen operation basically implementing many of the
things that you wanted to do.
So it's to me, it's just part of
the ongoing,
you know, I call it a financial coup.
At this point, it's a full
blown coup, but it's just part of the
coup. And this the thing that Charlie was
describing
of,
of getting you to want certain kinds of
changes in government.
I mean, literally, what we've seen
since the beginning of the latest administration is
you have a group of people, go to
Washington, steal all the data you need for
social credit system, and then leave.
Right?
Mhmm. And and there you are. And it's
it's part
of privatizing government, whether you're moving the functions
into
corporate contractors or you're just stealing the data
and doing it all privately.
You know, the people who got the data
because xAI,
you know, do Doge moves it out,
xAI then does a deal with Palantir, and
then Palantir gets huge contracts from
from the US government, another huge round.
Alright. And BlackRock
funds XAI. And, you know, you can that
which is becoming a point that is, like,
suddenly coming out, but it's been around for
a long time. It's publicly discussed. You know,
you can see all the or or even
more so before that that XAI was a
DARPA program just like total information awareness became
Palantir. And you can just see this kind
of the pieces being set in front of
us. But, yeah, I I think this is
It kind of it all It's There's a
lot of moving parts, but it does seem
like the answer is yes. That this was
all kind of a way to prime us
for what they knew we would largely not
be okay with or rather force us into
it as you're highlighting in financial ways. But
I think it's pretty clear that this was
something that was trying to prime us for
what's coming next, you know. So can I
can I ask you something about the, the
genius bill, Catherine, and what your thoughts are
on that? Sure. And what conversation around what
that is and whether it means what people
think it does. So you mentioned that in
your in your list about the digital part
of it.
So I think the stablecoins
So I've read the Genius Act, but,
I haven't seen the final thing that passed,
but I'm assuming there's not a big difference.
It still has to go to the house
for the state. It's called the stable act
in the house, and they still have to
be reconciled and then signed in in the
fall. But I'm assuming that will happen by
fall. And what
what you're seeing with the stablecoins
is there is a plan underway
to basically
market through the mobile payment systems
to every country in the world where you
can get in on the mobile payment systems,
which presumably is not every country,
to get people off their local currency and
into the dollar.
And, it's much more subtle. You won't see
it in the Genius Act, but I believe
part of this
push will be to unleash an amazing amount
of credit, including farm credit for farmers,
all around the world to get them that's
part of getting them off the local currency
and onto stablecoins.
What this will do if it works is
will create a huge new market for treasuries
because stablecoins are fully collateralized. So presumably, a
lot of the money is gonna go into
either bank deposits or,
treasury bills,
but
is also gonna unleash, you know, I don't
my guess, and this is a guess,
this brings a whole new meaning to the
to the expression helicopter.
And the potential for
a dramatic inflationary impact that's gonna rock the
world of the American people and people all
around the world is extraordinary.
And and, you know, it will certainly rock
the American people. If you look at a
country where they get off the local currency
and get onto the American currency,
you know, it will really rock them. One
of the big questions, and I don't know
the answer, is the is the new FedNow
system
designed to work with stablecoins? Because if it
and if it is, we know they've been
negotiating with Ripple and Charlie, you may know
that one of you guys may know this.
If it's designed to work with the FedNow
system,
you're literally seeing the Fed,
is gonna sort of
basically be
running a much bigger part of the market
share of the global currency market.
It it's quite extraordinary.
Now has anybody seen the perfectly dreadful movie
g 20?
No. I don't think so. Like people who
are far too intelligent
and far too busy to to ever go
see a movie called g 20. But let
me tell you, it's, we recommended on a
movie of the week. Here's the story line.
The story line Viola Davis plays the, The
US president, and she's a former marine.
And her big platform to to promote to
the g twenty
is, she wants to
launch stable coin around the world and make
credit available to all the farmers, thus bringing
democracy.
Okay? Interesting. And everybody's skeptical of this plan.
They see it as self serving, America promoting
the dollar.
She goes to the g twenty meeting in
South Africa, and I would like to point
that the g twenty meeting this year is
in November in South Africa.
She goes to South Africa. Another crypto group
are terrorists who are trying to shut down
the g 20, you know, adopting the Stablecoin
plan. So you you have the pump and
dumpers on one side versus the Stablecoin people
on the other.
Needless to say, the president wins the day
and and g twenty realizes Stablecoin.
They wanna support her in the Stablecoin plan.
Right. There he goes. There it is.
Now it's so funny because
it is in in my opinion, before I
saw the movie, I I happened to watch
this because I I came upon it on
a on a long, long, very long flight.
But,
I was stunned because this is the plan.
I mean, this is what I was saying
was the plan until I saw the movie,
and I went, oh my god. Somebody started
two or three years ago making this to
help market the plan.
Right?
And that's always unbelievable. Yeah. So the predictive
programming of it. But, I mean, just the
cartoonish nature of that where they're dressed and
the gun, like, it's just so it's just
so Yeah. It's perfect where we are in
the country. Wrote about I wrote about 10
jokes immediately. I did. I did. I can't
say any of them, but I wrote 10.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, you know, and it's funny. You look
back, you can see these different movies that
prime you for these things. You know? Like,
the exact kind of, like you know? There's
so many and I think the whole point
of it, as always, is that they put
it out like this. So when it starts
to actually become to be clear, then people
go, oh, you got that from that movie.
You know? Like, it's dismissible. Like, oh, that's
just that thing you saw on x files
or whatever. It's like, oh, well, you know?
So did I did I did I did
I ever tell you about the Soprano TV
show story?
I don't think so. Okay. So so from
from from many years, I'm trying to warn
people about the mortgage fraud and trying to
warn them about the kind of fraud that's
going on at HUD,
including the basic fact pattern fraud that's like
the base of all mortgage fraud. And in
fact, it's the fraud that destroyed my neighborhood
when I was a kid or destroyed the
housing values of my neighborhood. Anyway,
so I had this wonderful roommate from college
who,
because I was dealing with so much physical
harassment, she came to Washington and and was
my roommate at my house for a while
just to help protect me.
Anyway, so so she leaves and I I
give up on Washington. I move out. I
leave Washington.
And then a couple years later, I'm living
in Tennessee. I'm driving down the highway, and
I get a phone call from her.
And she says, Fitz, have you seen the
new Soprano TV show about HUD fraud?
And they had done a series of four
HUD frauds, and and and they were very
good, and they really sort of nailed the
fact pattern. It was very you know, whoever
wrote the script really knew what they were
doing. And, anyway, so I said, yes. I've
seen it. And she says, well, I guess
what you've been saying is true.
I said, wait a minute.
I'm the I'm the former assistant secretary of
housing. I'm the former lead financial adviser at
the Department of Housing and Urban Development. But
you didn't believe me until it was on
the Soprano TV show. And she said, that's
right.
So that's when I saw version of that.
So I said, in America,
fact is fiction and fiction is fact. And
that's why when I saw g 20, I
said, oh, maybe my theory,
you know, is is really
the plan.
That's just terrifying. You know? I mean, that's
a So, Steve, I I'm dying to see
your 10 jokes. You can put them in
the chat. We don't Well, when when when
you come on my show
and we do, you know, we we do
yeah. In front in front of the I'm
just you know, I'm trying to be respectful
to everyone who may be listening
and wanna ruffle any feathers.
Ryan is very distinguished, so he's gonna have
a more distinguished audience. I have significantly less
distinguished. Yeah. That's true. He's undeniable.
Yeah.
Well, then it's a perfect time to talk
about Epstein.
Yeah. Most definitely. Well, before we go into
Epstein, though, I wanted to there's one point
that I wanted to show that I thought
was interesting that we could discuss that goes
in the the like, not just the many
obvious
clear developments in the direction of this, but
the the normalization of it through, like, Maha
and stuff. And one of them was this
interesting development. Right? The the wearable point from
RFK Jr, which I think overlaps, you know,
all these are moving parts to sort of
the control dynamic, the social credit part of
it. But not just that he put said
that this was the next kind of, you
know, the focal point. But then I saw
it was interesting that that, Tucker Carlson,
you can see in the in his show,
it says, brought to you by levels, which
levels is about wearables. And it you get
seed funding from Anderson and Horowitz and, you
know, Twitter people. Interesting point and all that.
I saw just thought it was interesting to
start that conversation about the wearable point, the
direction of the so, you know, the the
tech and where it goes So AI. So
this
this thing that you, you know, that, this
tweet
is of an article by Josh Stumman. Here's
what happened. So
Kennedy in the in testimony
says his vision for America is in four
years, everybody's wearing wearables, which means,
you know,
really moving it, making sure everybody gets into
the surveillance system.
And and and so there's a huge pushback,
one of which was me,
who said that he was the Judas goat
leading everybody into the control grid.
And then Charles Eisenstein, who's wonderful, who used
to be his chief speech writer,
came out with the defense of what of
what Bobby said,
at which point Josh Stahman wrote the piece
that you're pointing to in that tweet, which
is excellent. It's a substack, and he talks
about
why wearables is part of moving into the
Internet of bodies and how dangerous it is.
Mhmm.
And he does an excellent job. It's very
well done, and it's very detailed.
And it helps you really see the control
grid and why
wearables are so dangerous.
Just your opinion.
Any of you, all of you? Do you
think R. F. King Junior is aware of
what this where this is going? Not whether
he's blackmailed or something behind it, but just
that he's aware. Yeah? I agree.
I mean, it's absolutely know where it's going.
Spent too much time.
Right.
It's true. You know? Yeah. Like
No. I mean, dumb guy like, the dumb
guy logic of that, like, you know what
I mean? Like, that applies
on so many levels, including the Epstein thing,
which we're, you know, gonna get into. But,
yeah, if I'm aware of it, if I'm
sitting here
in Mill Valley
behind a computer
and I'm aware of it, the people who
have had access to all of the information
that, you know, we only glean from through
what we can get publicly,
They they know. They know, and they're lying,
and they're lying because it benefits
them. Yeah. Or he's paid not to know
or, you know, something along those lines. Yeah.
Yeah. Again, the the the weather you know?
Again, blackmail is is something that's certainly possible,
but I think it's irrelevant to whether or
not we're going that direction, which is the
point. You know? Because it's clear. Right. But
here's the thing. What what Bobby did was
he wanted to go in because he wants
you know, there's an inside game where you
try and move the machinery from inside, and
there is an outside game. We play an
outside game. We don't wanna play an inside
game. Bobby's trying to play an inside game.
And the problem is, you know, we've seen
he he tried to choose a really good
person for FDA.
That nomination had to get pulled.
So so he's getting blocked and stopped, and
and it's impossible to tell,
you know,
exactly why he's doing the compromise he's doing.
But if you look at the last sort
of series of four or five compromises,
they've been very difficult.
And,
and and so and part of the danger
is the administration has made it clear. They
want mRNA technology.
Right. The reality is also very clear. MRNA
technology
kills people. We just published an interview with
Susanna Humphreys.
It's one of the top sort of people
writing about the history of vaccines,
and it's all about the mysterious ingredients in
mRNA technology. I mean, you have nanoparticles
in this stuff.
They come together in your body. They aggregate,
and they create things that look like circuit
boards. I mean, the whole thing is
in complete violation of informed consent because you've
got secret ingredients
that are clearly not natural.
And if you look at the number of
people who are dying,
with circulation problems, blood clots,
heart attacks, strokes,
I mean, this stuff is a killer. And
literally, we have thousands of of children every
day still taking this even though it serves
no medical purpose. Right.
So so this administration, whether it's HHS and
and various people or the president who within
three days of the inauguration
came out with a huge Stargate initiative,
you know, promoting mRNA vaccines.
You know? And and the president keeps trying
to say he accomplished great things with the
mRNA vaccines during the pandemic, and he's, you
know, he's literally getting booed off the stage
for it.
So so they as a political matter,
they are absolutely committed
to poisoning Americans.
And think about that in in in compare
in contrast to the fact that they must
know how unpopular
unpopular that is with their core base of
support. So, I mean, every time I think
of that overlap,
I, you know, I go, okay. Why then?
You know? Is how were they you know,
is that because of a foreign country? Is
that because of some internal lobby? I mean,
or is it just that they don't care?
It just it's such an obvious contradiction.
Right. But the American government does not have
financial sovereignty,
and it does not have information sovereignty.
And and if you look at, you know,
how many people in the government and in
the Congress have dual citizenship
and are loyal elsewhere.
Right. I mean, we're talking about a government
that doesn't have sovereignty. So the question always
is is who's giving the orders
and what do they want, and why are
they do it? Is this just a way
to build the Internet of bodies? Are we
looking at a full blown bioweapon that's a
depopulation plan?
That's the question.
Yeah. I mean and it just to add
to
go ahead. Go ahead.
Well, two months ago,
Rasmussen did a poll and I think said
fifty percent or more of the people polled
knew somebody had been killed by the COVID
shot.
I've heard so much more than that, I
imagine.
Well,
if just, you know, because I spend
basically five months a year, two and a
half in the fall, two and a half
in the spring driving around America.
And what I will tell you is everywhere
you go,
people have stories of earlier sudden deaths
and it's everywhere
and, and everybody's experiencing it. Now, some people
don't want to face what's causing it,
but there are a lot more people who
faced it.
Yep. And,
they know. And and here's the thing, you
don't have to persuade every anybody what caused
it because ultimately, the deaths will persuade
everyone who's willing to listen to something other
than entrainment.
I and I still argue. I think that's
a vast majority of people today. Like, I
think that that she was dropped. I think
we're and they're just trying to maintain the
narrative just like they are with Israel and
a lot of other things. I I don't
know if you guys agree with that, but
I think mo even on the left, you
what was the last number we heard from?
I think it was,
McCarrie, that it was something like 11%, like,
a really no low number of the first
responders
are taking any of these shots right now.
So, I mean, even left and right, people
are like, no way. The the evidence is
out, and I think that's profound. It shows
you the the fracturing of the whole control.
Well, but No. I mean, I as as
we're realize
you go.
Okay. I I just I I agree with
that, it says. I mean, we talk about
it all the time, Ryan, but there's,
the thing that that gets me is that
there's such a a wide net cast in
the mainstream alternative media apparatus
that serves as, you know, this sort of,
like,
catchall for anybody trying to escape,
you know,
just completely
manufactured media and get into reality.
And, we were talking about it on Union
of the Wanted last night where, you know,
you get this period of about
eighteen to twenty months
after someone comes into office and before the
midterms
where
reality sinks in in disillusion with government and
the speed of the, various, you know, okay.
Well, it is a uni party after all,
sinks in and people start to migrate towards
us.
And,
that's when that
dragnet gets activated
where you can try and, you know,
mainline the hopium to the masses in terms
of, okay. Well, it's five d chess because
Trump has the Epstein list now, and he's
gonna use it against the deep state. That's
what Alex Jones was telling people.
Or, you know, okay. Well, this might not
look good, but, you know, let's not lose
hope patriots and that kind of thing about
it. And, yeah, it's the that is a
a frustrating element to it. Ryan, you mentioned
the the COVID era about whether or not
this stuff was intentional or or, you know
can you imagine the sort of psychological
profiles they developed
during COVID?
All the information that they were watching for
in advance, they knew this was coming and
and and how they could measure and quantify
that and build
digital voodoo dolls of each one of us
and know just where to put that pin
to make us dance
and who will take the shots, who won't
take the the shots. If nothing else,
it's
it's game footage
that they can review and study
in advance of the next
operation
that the military runs on us.
And
I think I fear,
that they learn from their mistakes because there
were a lot of mistakes during COVID.
And and and, obviously, things happened,
but I think in retrospect, they
they they would do some things differently.
But now, boy, after after running through that
recently,
understanding how we'll behave, you know, like,
how the rats in the maze will run
depending on which sort of additive we put
in there. Or maybe it's Bill de Blasio
offering a cheeseburger to get you off the
fence to take that jab. You know? I
mean,
like,
the it it got to preposterous
levels, and you start thinking, like, is
this is this real?
Is this are they are they is this
messaging for me, or is this messaging for
for stupid people that are, you know, getting
lottery tickets to take jabs and things like
that? And and I just wonder about that
in the in the after you know, in
now that the haze of war is kind
of over and looking back on that, like,
how much data did they gather on
the way we react and how we respond
to,
stimulants or fears that they inject?
Yeah. I I think they learn their lessons
like you said. And I think it's more
than just the one, you know, how we
respond. I think it's all the things we're
discussing. It's like, you know, getting us prepared
for the next step, watching how we respond,
seeing if we all jump at toilet paper
if they decide to make that the point.
You know, it's like it's clear. And I
think today we're seeing that in a lot
of ways and to segue into the Epstein
point, you know, I think it's clear that
with anything right now, we're like like, a
good point is on the side are things
like we saw with Twitter, like the fog
and the drones, despite there being things to
discuss in there, that they just go, if
we just poke this in there, can we
just, like, overtake the entire conversation for two
days? Can we control what they say and
think? And and I think they know that's
the case with a certain crowd at certain
times. And so Epstein has another interesting overlap
to that. You know? And one more thing,
let's not forget with these shots, the MMR
weird shift, you know, or the self amplifying
COVID shot they support or, you know, any
number of things, the platform for bird flu,
you know, all these weird things that should
get so much more attention, but because I
think this mechanism we're discussing, it just falls
on its face. You know? So so let's
talk about Epstein
and the weird
response to it. Well, actually, before we even
get into that, let me what are your
guys' thoughts on on the way it's going
first before we get into the kind of
overlap what people are saying? Steve, you mentioned
Jones and you know, anybody wanna start. Go
ahead. Jump in.
I was I was still remembering the the,
program with the the shots for shots. Remember
that where they were offering people at bars,
a beer and a shot if they would
take the jab?
Which is so dangerous. It's ridiculous.
It was a thousand per hour. The thing
that they actually wrote into Illinois law. State
law. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was job job.
I was I was back there for a
moment. Right. I apologize. Come get drunk and
get a shot at a bar because that
sounds or an actual shot in your arm.
It's just a What could possibly go wrong?
On a side door. Put an ankle in
you. What could possibly go wrong? My brother
literally knew somebody at the bar he went
to where where he lives that was a
purse was a nurse who snuck shots out
of her out of the hospital and had
him in her purse and was trying to
coerce people in the bar to get these
shots. Swear to god. And I this this
is a real story. I mean, you know,
question it because you don't know my brother
and it's my third you know, I'm telling
the story, but that's insane. And we know
the level this got to with these nurses
and people that got so riled up with
they thought, you know, righteous, you know, indignation
that they were out there doing stuff like
that, which is just violation of everything they
believe in. It's weird.
Yeah.
But on that note, so let let's if
you guys wanna talk about Epstein, I think
it's relevant to all this. You know? Go
ahead, Charlie. Well, I hope,
look. I mean, I I know that there's
a segment of society that's very disappointed that
there's no,
Epstein file dump.
And,
it I just hope that the people that
are
fixating
on the trafficking component realize that that's a
small part of what he was up to.
Right. And then if you think that's interesting,
and it is, and gross, and all those
things,
wait until you hear about everything else he
was doing. And and so if that becomes,
if nothing else, then
it becomes the entry point
for people to understand
about the eugenics side of things that he
was dealing with, the Martin Nowak at Harvard,
financing evolutionary
dynamics, and
population game theory, and all that weird stuff.
And, of course, selling arms and Southern Air
Transport and Les Wexner. And I mean,
like, I I sort of described this last
night, Steve, on on our union show was
if you want the Epstein list, go buy,
One Nation Under Blackmail volume two. That's it.
That's that's essentially
you want the Epstein files? It's that. Like,
go read that, and you'll know all the
players that are sort of in that orbit.
And then from there, hopefully, that will lead
you to ask further questions. So I'm taking
this as a net positive
as long as people recognize that
the trafficking was only a part of what
Epstein was doing and that if you are
interested in learning more about that, that'll take
you into some
some,
some
very dangerous areas.
Eugenics, transhumanism, you know, the Harvard overlap. Right?
I actually think in a way what we're
seeing today with we can play it from
Trump acting like, are you still talking about
Epstein? They still they're trying to put this
to bed, I think, before we overlap with
the very work they were doing and where
this goes. Like, even, like, the Liber Langer
overlap with the nanotech stuff. Like, I think
there's a all of this is coming from
the same realm. I'm I'm interested in what
you think, Catherine, on where this is and
how it relates.
Well, I wanted to find
a video for you. I don't know if
you if you're willing to pay a video
on this. Yeah. But I'm gonna go find
it. I don't know if you saw it.
Larry, Lawrence Wilkerson
gave an interview recently where he talked about
the people at the Pentagon complaining.
So so let's go back on the timeline.
Epstein
is introduced by Bob Rubin, then the national
economic adviser
to he's taken to the White House for
the first time. Rubin, of course, then becomes
secretary of treasury. When Rubin becomes secretary of
treasury,
twenty one trillion dollars starts to go missing
from the US treasury. We get huge
this huge bulge of missing money. Meantime,
between the time according to Whitney, between the
time,
Epstein is first introduced to the White House
to the time that the Clinton administration
ends. I think he was at the White
House some fantastic amount of time, something
something between fifteen and twenty, but constant visitor
at the White House. Then we know Bill
Clinton gets on a plane,
you know, as money's disappearing from DOD and
HUD in in enormous amounts.
He gets on a plane with the Clintons
and starts flying around the world,
And and countries around the world magically find
hundreds of millions of dollars to donate back
to the Clinton Foundation.
It's quite remarkable. So I I believe Epstein
was primarily a money laundering operation.
You know, he was the swift system for
the
money disappearing from the federal government among other
things. But anyway, so Wilkerson gets on, and
I'm gonna find the link for you. And
he describes in the early two thousands as
this money is going missing and things are
happening.
He said, Musad took over the Pentagon. They
didn't even need an ID to get in.
At one point, Rumsfeld complained to my boss,
meaning pal,
you know, that literally,
Musad was more powerful than Rumsfeld at the
Pentagon.
Have you seen that clip? I have that
clip. Go ahead. Keep talking. I'm gonna bring
it up right now. Okay. Okay.
And, but it shows you
because you have this triad between British intelligence,
Israeli intelligence, and US intelligence.
And in my experience, they're very much operating
together.
And I'm just assuming that Epstein was part
of that operation
and part of that operation to literally engineer
a financial co.
And and if you look at how deep
if you look at how deep
those relationships
go and their connection so so I'll give
you an example because the Trump administration,
you know, I sometimes I say, Trump and
his administration have an Epstein file the size
of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Les Wexner bought a house for Epstein on
East 70 First Street.
Then
he bought a bigger house next door,
moved Epstein to the bigger house, and then
he sold the house to Howard Lutnick,
the current secretary of commerce,
and I think for some ridiculous, like, $10.
And then Lutnick took out a $4,000,000
mortgage, so he got $4,000,000
of capital on the deal. And
you tell me whether you think there was
a connection, you know, through the basement or
in the garden between the two houses. You
tell me. But if you're running a major
money laundering operation, there's a reason you would
want one of the 24 primary dealers in
the treasury market next door. Right?
Okay.
Do you really think that that that
you know, if you release the the Epstein
file, that's part of the discussion you're gonna
have. Now we know
JPMorgan Chase, Deutsche Bank, a lot of the
big banks
had huge settlements.
I mean, they have paid out millions and
millions of dollars on their settlements on the
Epstein case.
That's why when people say there's nothing there,
if there's nothing there, why are the most
powerful banks in the world paying out, you
know, millions of dollars to settle these cases
and take them dark?
Why did the why did the attorney general
for the, you know, for the
what was the island that sued JPMorgan Chase?
It was the Virgin Islands. You know, why
did they get fired for bringing a lawsuit
against JPMorgan about their financing of,
you know, the Epstein network? So
I I just think we're we're looking at
an operation
that was very successful.
It worked.
It it's intertwined very much with this administration
and many people in Washington,
and it's at the core of the intelligence
agency's power.
Why,
you know, those files are worth a fortune
in terms of blackmailing people and operating control.
Why would you give them up?
Information is the most valuable thing as you
as, you know, argued in the world. But,
you know, the the go ahead. Go ahead,
Charlie.
No. You wouldn't give them up. You never
would. That's why I thought it was unrealistic
for people to think they're gonna you know,
we have if you wanna know who's in
his orbit, you can you can find out
who's in his orbit. There's there there's a
lot of but if you want
the goods,
the tapes themselves,
why would they give them up? That's worth
so much you know, I don't need to
blackmail you if I control the the guy
who is blackmailing you. That's all I need
to do. Right? So when he goes away,
they just take over his franchise, and they've
got all the they've got the info there.
So now I mean,
what's the difference
between Epstein's version of organized crime and the
FBI? To me, there there it's just a
different brand, but it's still organized crime. Well,
to your point, Charlie, about the network, you
know, it just you know, obviously, we were
talking about much larger things these connected to.
But even just the point about the network
itself, that isn't even about the actual trafficking.
It's about that being used to influence and
control. Right? To be able to blackmail people
in powerful positions to get them to do
what they ultimately want. And so, Catherine, let's
go back to that video really quickly since
it's such a very important point to highlight
Wilkerson saying this about the Pentagon. And interestingly,
how right now and, actually, before we play
this, let's start for people that maybe didn't
see it because we're all talking about this
as if people knew the report, but it
came out them claiming
that there was no blackmail, that there was
no client list, that there, you know, that
what was the other part? There was a,
they're basically just dispelling the entire story. And
that that he he took his own life.
You're right. Exactly. That he sued that he
killed himself, that there was no client list,
and there's no blackmail. Put it all to
bed, and now Trump's going like, what are
we all talking about this for? So here's
the here's why. And I think the covering
up of the blackmail part is because of
this, in my opinion. One of many points.
It's unquestionable that the Epstein
business
was heavily influenced, let me put it that
way, by Mossad.
And so that's somehow emblematic on these huge
geopolitical issues.
Yes. I I watched Mossad
take over the Pentagon
in 02/2002.
The Pentagon was infiltrated
by Mossad.
They did not need any identification
to get through the river entrance to the
building. They went upstairs to Douglas Fife, the
undersecretary
of defenses
for policy,
the third most powerful man in the defense
department.
Occasionally, they went to the second most powerful
man, Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense,
and they had run of the Pentagon. Donald
Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, said to my
boss one time, hell, I don't run my
building.
Mossad does.
So I bring up the fact that the
latest report is two congressmen, one from New
York and one from New Jersey,
is now suggesting that we give Israel stealth
bombers and bunker buster bombs.
Man. Despite the fact that we've claimed we've
destroyed all nuclear capacity there. Right. Which we
always knew was what narrative or not or
even that even if that was the case,
they still weren't gonna stop because it's not
really about that. But to add to that
point as well, that ever this is a
part that we all know that's now newly
making the rounds through certain peep you know,
certain circles, but that this is a a
an old, you know, that he and now
she read directly from it because it's not
just that statement that is the main part
of it. It was this part
where he says,
he'd been, basically, he cut the non prosecution
deal with one of Epstein's lawyers, and he
had been told to back off that Epstein
was above his pay grade. I was told
Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it
alone. He told interviewers, and I think one
of the most important parts is they told
he said this to the Trump transition team
who they write who evidently thought that was
a sufficient answer and went ahead and brought
him on the team. You know? So it's
like just insane. I think that speaks volumes.
And then, what I think will overlap with
this, but I also think is relevant is
the the the point Charlie's making and others
about the bigger aspect of this is let's
not forget this this is from 2023.
Epstein's calendar contained multiple meetings with Peter Thiel,
and then the new one from New York
Times, Epstein invested with Peter Thiel and his
estate is reaping millions.
Interestingly, on that side note about the the
ep the estate still, you know there's still
things that seem to be moving around all
this that no one wants to acknowledge. Anyway,
anyway, what do you guys think about all
that? Any direction?
I mean, the it's not it's not a
surprise. The whole transhumanist
component and the whole, yeah, of the, you
know, of Epstein,
whether or not that's an international
operation or if that was just something that
he, you know, personally wanted to be a
part of and the various people that he
funded throughout is It's not just Peter Thiel.
It's like Steven Pinker and the Kurtzweig. You
know? All those guys
re received this money.
It's it speaks to
what a a larger
agenda is, I think, for the, you know,
tech billionaire and the billionaire elite class. Like,
the the
desire to become, you know, extra human or
superhuman
or something like that. And then the narcissism
that allows you to think
my lineage
should rule the world, so I need to
effectively
clone me. You know?
We still don't know what was at Zorro
Ranch, and we still don't know whose fingerprints
are all over, you know, whatever
alleged, you know, breeding programs and things like
that are. But I guarantee you, there's a
very short straight line
to the people that were involved in Epstein's
let's all live forever projects.
Yeah. Yeah. I I that's the the the
point you made there in case people don't
know is the idea of him like, what
was the side the mindset of, like, spreading
a seed across the world? You know, the
idea of, like, you know, what what was
it? Go ahead. You know, I don't I
He was so convinced of his own genius
and and acumen that he quite literally wanted
to be the dominant genetic,
you know, progenitor
for future,
for the future of humanity.
That's creepy.
Not a megalomaniac at all. But so so
oh, go ahead, Catherine.
I gotta say goodbye. I've gotta sign off,
but it's been a pleasure to be with
you guys. And,
you know, we have to keep our state
of amusement, and you guys really helped me
do that. So thank you, Maureen. Thank you,
Charlie. Thank you, Steve. And I do wanna
see those 10 jokes. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah.
No. We'll we'll connect. I I need to
get you on the show anyway.
I would love to. Thanks, Ryan. Bye. Awesome.
Great talking to you, Catherine. Well, let let's
let's keep going on that same direction. I
mean, let's get into the,
you know, let's let's make let's let's get
into the the absurdity of all this if
you guys want to since we talked about
it. Like, the I this one more than
anything, I think, or a couple of these
that we talked about, I'm trying to find
the ones. Like, here's the one I mentioned
since I brought it up already. Of of
of Trump saying, you know, are we still
talking about Epstein? The guy has been talked
about for years. Like, what crazy.
What a weird thing to say. Like, I
mean, here here's my point is that I
as I said actually, I did comment that
I said your it's your base asking that
question. Once again, showing the reality of the
two party illusion and the shrieking sycophants who
now parrot this statement despite moments ago telling
you Trump would expose it all and it
was paramount are showing us the reality of
TeamSport politics. But, you know, they must know
that. So that's goes back to that point
of, like, why? What is driving their actions?
And not to go to the same question.
I just think it's worth pointing out that
I think something else is driving their actions.
What do you guys think? It's the black
hole we talked about before, Ryan. Right? It's
how do you measure the black hole by
its effects on other on things around it.
Good point. Why is Trump behaving in this
very peculiar way? Yeah.
I wonder what sort of unseen
influence is
warping
the words that come out of his mouth
or or, you know, putting him in an
unusual
situation. But, it's,
I think we know what's what's been going
on with with a lot of this. I
mean,
he belongs to intelligence.
Okay. Yes. Which one?
Mhmm. You know, that's really maybe the follow-up
question for Alex Acosta is is
are we
talking just
ours or
foreign
multiple foreign? I mean,
Bob Maxwell was a multiple
foreign agent as well. Right? So it there's
there's a kind of a semi family tree,
family shrub,
from the Maxwells and Epstein, and,
you know, why wouldn't he be a dual
agent?
I don't you know, I'm working for three
intelligence agencies as as Robert Maxwell was. I'm
of the mind, though, that you can't be
that they're only,
There's only one? Yeah. What's the word I'm
looking for? That they only are honor like,
they only, hold true to one of them.
Like, I because how can you how can
you not? You know, that you have because
at the end of the day, it's really
about sacrificing other relationships for the interest of
that goal. You know? So that's When you
Well, MI six didn't give Robert Maxwell a
state funeral.
Right?
Interesting.
You know, the his state funeral was in
a different country. Right. Yeah. Maybe that's how
they measure it,
by where you're treated as a hero in
in the afterlife.
Yeah. Tony Blinken stepfather
didn't eulogize
Robert Maxwell at the Rose Garden.
Yeah. That's it. Right.
Trying to find the other ones here. The
one about this was just to Alex Jones
keeps doing this. The Epstein Jail cell security
footage is missing a full minute. Is this
a setup to make Trump look guilty?
I just can't effing believe that this they're
doing this right now. Or the other one,
which was what, that, oh, that they think
that he has the list now and it's
a trap to set up the deep state.
Yeah. I mean, of course, we should consider
these things. They're certainly possible. But it's like,
fuck. You know, how many times they can
drive this without any evidence just about, you
know, flailing into, like, what we can make,
you know, conversation about to make this not
feel like what it obviously is. It's just
wild.
The the it any any
answer except
the undue influence of Israel
is what they're going with. They're it's like
it's
they're betting on, like, the field.
Like, what do you what do you think
the answer is? Literally anything other than Israel
is involved. Yeah. Right.
So the the thing that drives me nuts
is that you had Pam Bondi
out there saying,
well,
you know, there's
horrible things being done to children on these
tapes where it's not it's not as if
we could show them to you anyway. Okay.
Well, then who was doing them? Because maybe
you should go arrest them. Right. You know?
Wouldn't that be step one?
Or or the clip that we're all talking
about, which now they're trying to wiggle out
of, which is right here. Saw your appearance
at CPAC with Ben and and with By
the way, does she not look like like
a woman joker? Am I crazy? Like, the
way with the without makeup on? I'm sorry.
I had to say that. CPAC with Bannon
and with Ted Cruz. And one of the
things that you've alluded to, and this is
something Donald Trump has talked about, the DOJ
may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's
clients. Yes. Will that really happen?
It's sitting on my desk right now to
review.
That's been a direct So, of course, you
could argue that she just meant in broad
the whole thing, but it was a pretty
specific question. You know? And so now they're
trying to wiggle out of that and saying
no. But to your point, Steve, I think
is the is the most important. This, in
conjunction with the claim of all the video
and all the things they were seeing, you
know, you can't make the point today is
it's not like we're trying to downplay simply
having, you know, distributing child porn. That's horrible
that you go to prison. But they're the
ones making the claim of trafficking. They're the
ones making the claims that require
to to charge that there's some kind of
transaction.
So they keep making all these allegations, but
they're not arresting anybody. And most of the
Republicans I'm seeing are the ones going, you
know, it's not even about that really. It's
about where are the Democrats who told us
to be arrested. And so everyone's calling this
out. They're also confirming that there's lists.
Yes. Yes. Well, I put I mean, it's
not us saying that there's a list. It's
them saying that there's a list. So it's
like they're like, well, why don't you guys
get off the list thing? It's like, well,
you're the one that brought it up in
the in the beginning saying that the list
is on on the desk. So what are
we talking about? Like, if you were if
you misspoke, say you misspoke.
And before that, though, talking about how it
was all of them, Bondi, Cash, Bongino,
all of them telling you that this is
the Democrats. It's all about the Democrats. We
have a lit they're going down. You know?
I just watched a clip of Cash in
an interview before this. Went point blank. You
know? No. I know. The FDA has it,
and they know and, like, talking about the
actual client list. You know? So they've dug
themselves such an embarrassing hole. I don't know
why they thought. Like, this is where I
go back to that same mindset. You know?
Like, why would they have done this if
they knew they would come to a point
to where I don't I feel like this
country is being sabotaged. And a lot of
people fire
them, don't they? Like, doesn't Trump have to
get rid like, dump them and just, you
you know? And then they're gonna join the
America party.
Hooray.
But it it feels like they're being set
up to just be thrown overboard.
It does. It does. The excuse that Pam
Bondi gave for the missing minute too is,
well, it's an old system, and when it
resets to do the loop thing, it does
that every time. And what do you want
from me? I don't I don't know. It's
not like you could have
updated
the system in the Manhattan
correction center. They don't have any money. They're
barely scraping by. Or the cameras that they
swore were not working until suddenly now they
are, but we haven't. You know, it's like
just this takes a special kind of willful
ignorance to not acknowledge how obviously this thing's
riddled with holes. You know? But the the,
the,
internal aspect too. Did you see that about
the the the the bottle on the bed
and all these different like, there's just no
way you could logically make this case or
the autopsy with the Hyatt point and how
it's not possible with the amount of blah
blah blah blah blah. You know? And they're
just out here just really trying to force
this in in an embarrassing way. You know?
Because they have somebody you know, they have
such a
entrenched media apparatus
that's paid to support them. I'm not talking
about the people that are, like, Fairweather
or anything like that. But, like, there's a
full on multiple
Trump propaganda
arms. He's got his own social media network.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's
the the
amount of money that's being put into getting
a, you know, ever decreasing
percentage of the population
to buy into this nonsense is incredible.
Yeah. It's wild. But I again, diminishing number.
I think we can all see that right
now. But why why don't we unless you
guys have any more thoughts on just the
general social commentary of what this is, what
what is how does this connect for you
guys? Was it which which was kind of
the arc of this, you know, Epstein, all
this, to control grid. You know? What what
I think we all can sense is the
real story around a lot of this, whether
it's Israel's involvement, Assad, Zionism,
technocracy through it all, you know, the AI,
the all of this stuff. Like, how do
you feel all this connecting,
you know, with where this goes? Because they're
kinda arching back to the AI grid and
everything else.
It it it proves
for people
who are still trying to fight this red
team versus blue team
nonsense that, like, once again,
you've fallen for it. Yeah. Like, can you
at least admit that you all you MAGA
people who thought it was gonna be this
time, it's gonna be different and you gave
all the excuses. You've been had, again,
different and you gave all the excuses. You've
been had. Again, like admit that this is
that that's what's going on here. As long
as you continue to,
cheerlead for for, you know, or or
make excuses for your guy because he's on
your team, you're forever going to be,
you're you're forever going to be ruled by
these people. Mhmm. So at first, I I
just want people to to have a sort
of honest assessment that they were wrong, and
it's fine. You got I mean, we all
get it wrong. But if you thought Trump
was coming in and it was gonna be
different in in this time,
he's gonna he's fighting for us because they
tried to kill him and
all this. You've been had. Just admit it.
It sucks to it sucks to to admit
it, but if you do, then you'll start
the process of actually seeing what's going on
here. And that these these two teams, they
work together. It does not matter who is
in the White House.
This is far more important
than who occupies that
space of real estate. This is a much
bigger agenda, and it rolls on regardless.
In fact,
Trump has been
installed in there specifically to get all these
right leaning MAGA people to embrace this digital
technocracy.
Right. That had it been delivered to them
by the Harris administration, they would have rightly
been opposed to. But because it's their guy
and their ideas and, you know,
they're willing to look the other way or
accept it or not do any research or
whatever.
Like, you have to treat both of these
parties the same.
Start from a place of distrust.
Yes. And then if they earn some of
your respect over the years by doing things
the right way, Ron Paul,
then you you, you know, you say, well,
respect is earned. But the the idea that
of just blindly trusting your guy
Yep. In the White House is
is delusional thinking, and you'll get poor results
every single time. And I I think that
that connection of the Epstein point is because
they're like, we're highlighting. There's a lot of
moving parts beneath that isn't just that Epstein's
just one part of it. Right? But it
it gives you the window into this massive
thing that I do think connects with all
the things that are coming. And so this
is about trying to put this important connection
to bed before. That's what I would argue.
And and to your point, Charlie,
you know, it's it's okay that people it's
not it's not we don't harp for it.
We don't want it, but it's okay that
people that you were fooled. That I we've
all been fooled. I was fooled. You know,
we all have a moment where you come
past that the point is not to sit
there, like, from our side either and be
like, you all suck and you were wrong,
but let's let's be okay. We did it.
We made a mistake. Let's come together and
finally you know, that's what a lot of
us have been doing over the years in
different moments, like, even before the selection. And
we got all screamed at, you know. But
it's like the point is is to try
to find the reality, the unity that we
are all on the same side fighting the
power structure, not ourselves, You know? That's the
kind of message I think to take from
this is don't start because what what happens
a lot, I think, is that then
the one the the newest element of the
of the manipulation is to have these bots
go after them all. Be like, you're all
more representing people who are on the other
side. So then they get, like, this dug
in feeling, like, even though we're wrong, I
hate that side. You know, it's like it
enshrines division. Let's move past that. Yeah. Well
and and even in the naming, you the
the
Biden's
build back better. What what did the Republican
base say?
Boo. That's terrible. What about that? No. Big
beautiful bill?
Yeah. Same thing, dude.
Literally, that's the BBB for me. Right. Exactly.
That's what I'm saying is that it's it
gets rebranded,
resold,
marketed
to his you know,
to just a new audience, but it's the
same it's the same stuff. It's just with
a a new rapper on it.
Yep. I don't know. Yeah. No. I mean,
I agree, man. And I think this is
right like, really starting to res to resonate
with people. I think people are truly starting
to to call this out and see it.
I hope so. I mean, yeah. I mean,
I think we can see that, though. Like,
that's my point about the many different fracturing
of the current, you know, the current got
you know, lead you know, part of the
paradigm because it you know, we've it's it
depends on who's currently in the power structure.
But, you know, when the left is in
COVID and, you know, they had their own
moments. But right now, for crying out loud,
like, with with the whole which we should
wonder whether it's building the America party, but
the whole Trump and Elon split, the Iran
thing, you know, this recent Epstein thing. I
mean, we all see it. Twitter is, like,
awash with this right now of those trying
to make it all make sense and do
their tap dance and everybody else going, like,
what the fuck is happening? And so it
really shows you that this is breaking through.
You know? And that's what it doesn't mean
we're gonna succeed from it. Right? Like, they
could wrap you back into the next lie,
but it is one of those moments of
clarity. Like, I think I saw this at
the beginning of the Israel genocide, you know,
where people kind of woke up from this
haze. We're like, what the fuck is this?
What? Oh, I'm cussing like it's the morning
show, Steve. I'm forgetting.
I I wasn't good to say anything. I
was just making notes in my head of
the the right Christian f bomb tracker. Right.
When you're when I see you in the
in the stream, I'm feeling like we're on
the morning show, so I apologize for cuffing.
I don't usually do it on the IMA
or team up. But, anyway, go
ahead.
So the I mean, okay. So we're we're
we're watching
the controlled demolition
of
the political system, I think, with
AI as the replacement government in the background.
And this to me
this to me reminds me a lot of
the exposure
of Joe Biden
as, you know, a a brain addled kid
sniffing incompetent
who
in no way, shape, or form is leading
the country as the elected president. You know?
Like, there were multiple mask off moments
for for Biden regarding that within the first
six to ten months,
of his administration.
With the Trump administration,
it seems to be like the same brutal
reveal,
but in a different way
to the MAGA base. Whereas, you know, the
the Democrats, you know, were making every excuse
under the sun of why this was the
sharpest Biden ever, and he's on it, and
he you know, all this. Now
that it's Trump, and he's doing
everything that we said was gonna happen that
we all got called crazy for.
It's making every excuse for, oh, well, there's
five d chess with the deep state, and
the PayPal mafia is in there because they're
the good transhumanist billionaires, not the bad transhumanist
billionaires.
You know? It's and so it's weird how
that inversion is played out.
But to me, it looks like the exact
same reveal.
I agree. And it's a good way to
look at it because what it shows you
is that it's not unique to the caricature
they're putting in front of you. It's just
that and you could argue that you pick
people who can be used. Biden because he's
senile Trump because his hubris will run his
decision making process, and you could present him
with false choices and he thinks he's in
charge or maybe not. You know? But you
could look at it like that and see
that the mindset is, you know, get people
in position that we can simply snow and
use for the larger agenda. It makes sense
to me. It really does. You registered something
with me. And if you guys wanna end
let's end on the topic of the, you
know, the America party, which I do think
is really interesting. I was gonna talk about
it in my show yesterday, but I didn't
get to it. Like, the the weird split
and almost the kind of, like, we all
expect at this moment. The the third party
shoe. How long have we been waiting for
that to drop? Not the real, you know,
finally rise a third party fighting from grassroots,
but, like, when they would take that and
use it against us is what my point
is. And so suddenly, we start seeing this.
Elon, who's been cheerleading for the Republicans that
are gonna save the world. Now we're like,
it's all a one party system. It's like,
how do you take someone seriously like that?
You know? Or or all these different things.
And what you brought up, Steve, that I
think is fascinating to think about,
he's been pushing the AI through Doge. He
has xAI.
He's roll now he's rolling the America party.
How long until that shoe drops and Elon
literally promotes it as
AI government? Like, that's an interesting way to
come around to that, and I let's that's
an we'll see if that happens. Okay. What
do you guys think about that? And just
the America party in general?
It feels like
that's a logical progression
for him.
Right?
The, it's a one nation
under Neuralink.
Ugh.
Yuck.
That's a terrible thought. What do you think?
With SpaceX and Starlink for all.
That's terrible.
Well, I mean, what do you guys think
about the America party part of it, though?
You know? Do you feel like there's some
genuine nature to that? Like, that Elon might
genuinely have woken up to the problem, and
we should hope for that. Right?
Anything that throws any kind of monkey wrench
into their plans, I'm in favor of.
But when it comes from Elon who's getting
government contracts, it's it's really tough for me
to to think of it as as an
authentic movement,
ditch ditch your government contracts then. You know?
Like, let's let's see what you got,
which, of course, won't happen. They need each
other. So it feels a bit like pro
wrestling to me. Yeah. Like, the the, you
know, we're gonna form the new,
you know, a new
team, and we're gonna come get Hulk Hogan
and the rest of those guys. I mean,
it just I don't know, man. When I
see Elon involved in it,
look, I do
believe that there is authentic
frustration with the system. There there is, obviously.
That that's real. There's a real resentment
towards the way things work.
But that's the sis the system is as
they say in Barnum World, you know, the
system is doing exactly as it was designed
to do. That's the thing is that you
can't fix
this system.
The system is not fixable. It is running
by design. You need to build a different
system and then lure people away. And Elon
Musk of all people should know that. Being
somebody who who likes to kind of
reimagine, I don't know, the car industry and
not, you know and do things quite differently.
He he needs to build it first
and then
draw people into his way of thinking. And
maybe
maybe that's
his plan. Maybe this is all just theater.
I'm I'm,
I'm not voting for any of these people
anyway, so it doesn't matter to me. Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you think, Steve? I mean,
the
okay.
The
one business entity
that represents
the new face of government who, according to
Alex Jones, is the second most important person
in Space Force
who has
not just the Starlink contracts, but the StarShield
contracts
and the SpaceX
program
and the Boring Company and
the Neuralink
technology.
That guy
is so frustrated
with
the overall system
that in order to
save it,
he's going to form his own political party.
Because once
one or two people from that party get
into DC,
they're going to fundamentally
change the system from
the inside out. That's correct. That's correct. And
this you know, the it it really is.
It's like,
remember when Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy
Savage were tag team partners,
and, you know, they would they would, you
know, just run rough shot over the rest
of of WWE,
but then there would be that moment when
they fought and then they broke up and
then they had different tag team. Like, this
is exactly what that feels like to me.
I'm I'm gonna fully agree with the Charlie
on the pro wrestling element of it.
Oh, yeah.
We're gonna go into Washington here, and what
we're gonna do is we're gonna kick out
the swamp. We're gonna drain that swamp here.
Yeah. The and, yeah, man. I'm people are
gonna fall. I am a real
American.
Gonna use AI to drain the swamp, though.
See that? This is how it's different this
time Mhmm. Because it's gonna be
AI government. Don't you see? And they were
the white hats.
The white hats have to you have to
have the good brain chips before you get
the bad brain chip. I mean, we all
know how it plays out. This is this
is the
this this is how you incrementally move
society towards
technocracy.
Yep. I mean, I think the obvious point
is about, you know, whether you ignore whether
you don't agree you know, maybe you don't
agree with all the points you're making about
where this seems to be going. Consider it.
But even aside from that, you know, you
you're taking a a a system that Trump
and Elon and everybody else's conversation has spent
years criticizing left and right, not not just
because you need a new party, but telling
you that it doesn't work. You know, they've
broken this. They're cheating there. They're lying. They're
telling you the deep state's controlling everything, and
now he wants to start a new party
through that? How do you explain that? How
do you make sense of working through a
controlled deep state democrat run pedophile system, but
we're gonna do it the right way? It's
like, I just it's it's just so inherently
stupid when you think about the facts, but
people will want it. You know? And I
we all right ahead of files in there
this time.
Exactly.
That's the missing component.
And but we all get it, though. Right?
We understand why people want an answer. They
want a savior. They want because we are
living through a very ridiculous and dark time
by I think by design, but we're trying
to call attention to the facts. And if,
you know, if we if you want the
head in the sand, snowy vision, you know,
you can find that every day out there.
But the truth is important because we're trying
to change it for the better, not just
pretend we live in what we want. You
know? So, but and I and I'll end
my personal point. I do again think that
the vast majority of Americans from an American
perspective are willing and ready to start asking
and talking about these questions. It's just about
trying to get you know, it's like with
COVID-nineteen where we're in that limbo moment where
we were trying to say, look. You're not
alone. You're not the crazy person in the
corner like the media is telling you. If
you look around, everyone's feeling like that right
now. We need that breakthrough watershed moment right
now. That's what I would argue, and that's
hard to make. It really is. But I'll
leave it with that if you guys wanna
have any comments to end with.
No. These are just these are, always fascinating,
and, you know, thanks as always to to
Catherine for,
coming in and giving her time. Yeah. Yeah.
I agree. It we've gotta have the talk
about it, you know, so that we know
what's out there and so that we can
plan accordingly
and and and do what we can to
gum up
the system or, as James Corbett says, salt
your information.
You know? Yeah. Yeah. Give them more.
Absolutely.
Well, you know, I think it's important to
keep having this conversation. You know, we will
be having more. There's plenty more to come,
and I'm looking forward to the next one,
guys. So we'll leave it there for today.
And I'll end it as anything else?
Nope. Thanks for thanks for having us.
And as always, everybody out there question everything.
Come to your own conclusions.
Stay vigilant.