Welcome to the last American vagabond. Joining me
today is Robert Inlakesh here to discuss what's
going on in the world to get caught
up, just, you know, all these different perspectives
on the many different fields of war, the
many different propaganda tactics, the many different things
going on in foreign policy, and, you know,
just to kinda get caught up on what
he sees in the world today because, you
know, very few people out there are as
immersed in these topics as Robert is. So
let's start off today, Robert. How are you,
by the way? How are you doing today?
Yeah. I'm doing as well as I possibly
can be, and, thanks for having me back.
Yeah. My pleasure, brother. So let's start with
whatever it is that's going on. There's so
many different topics, obviously. I've got plenty of
stuff lined up. But, you know, what what
today what's the one thing that, you know,
if I ask you is the most pressing
on your mind, what is it right now
to you that that jumps to the forefront?
It would definitely be what's happening in Gaza
with the ongoing genocide,
and the escalation of air strikes and perhaps
the Gaza humanitarian
foundation, which is,
a privatized
aid project, which was spearheaded by the Israelis
using American privatized con companies
and also collaborating
with ISIS linked gangs
that were previously used to loot aid and
now continue to loot aid, but also,
attack people and are used to,
secure,
a transfers
they claim.
And now they're, you know,
advertising this ISIS linked
group of gangsters, criminals, and,
thugs
as a grassroots resistance to Hamas,
the Gaza Strip.
So that situation and specifically looking at, what's
happening with the aid distribution sites and Israel
now having killed 600
Palestinians
as they were seeking aid,
essentially luring them into a death trap,
offering them scraps of food, and then shooting
them when they try and get those,
scraps of food that they're offering.
That would probably be the most pressing thing,
right now.
But as you know, there's a a range
of different developments in the region. Yeah. In
any moment, one of them could explode and
become the big news story. But I I
think, you know, the Gaza story has,
faded,
especially the issue of the Gaza Humanitarian
Foundation,
so called Humanitarian
Foundation. The way that they name these things
is,
sadistic,
in my opinion.
So, yeah, that that sort of faded from
the headlines even when we're talking about Gaza.
There's a lot of discussion of the bombings,
but not as much, focus on these, aid
sites, which Trump, by the way, has just
pledged that he'll give $30,000,000
to fund,
which is essentially an assembly line,
mass murder,
project where you get people to herd towards
an area, herd them like cattle towards slaughter.
Yeah. And that'd be references to Squid Game,
you know, Hunger Games. I mean, all these
different analogy or, you know, comparisons that I
think are very clearly apt. It's obvious what's
been going on. We were covering this in
the beginning as I'm sure you were about
the very first day and sort of your
like your coverage of Serena Boucle and others.
The story morphs in in the first forty
eight hours, in the first you know, every
day to day, the story changes from, no,
we shot above them. Oh, no. It was
them or they shot first. And until, you
know, it just drifts away. And and then
the next day, the day after the day
after that, multiple reports have continued shooting. It
just drifted away. Right? So they they have
been executing people in these lines. It's just
grotesque. Doctors' testimony about it. So I want
before we get into that, and I want
more we hear more about the, you know,
what just the whole dynamic and how you
see this going forward. But you mentioned ISIS
linked groups. So let's talk about that first.
Give us give people listening more insight on
the GHF, the the Gaza Health Foundation, the
the ridiculous
fake, you know, whatever. Give us insight of
that group, the Mossad overlap, you know, the
manipulation that it is, and the ISIS linked
groups. And, you know, anywhere you wanna go
around that because as you you clearly indicated
there, this is not a new dynamic. You
know, the new rebels fighting the, you know,
like, the new moderate rebels kind of a
game. So talk about the foundation and then
really give us some deep background on the
ISIS linked group. I wanna hear more about
that.
Well, I I think addressing the ISIS linked
gangs and then, putting that together with what's
happening with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is, where
this conversation should start,
because
these gangsters,
sure, led by
a
criminal
named Yasser Abu Sheba,
are were essentially used by the Israelis
after Israel invaded Rafah in sovereign Gaza last
year.
They essentially
created a safe zone for them, which is
a kill zone for anyone else, including,
you know, emergency workers if there's a bombing
in the area and they want to inspect,
and they wanna come close to this area,
which is, in the East,
Eastern portion of Southern Gaza.
They set up these gangsters there, and the
only way that the aid trucks could go
in was through this territory. And what the
Israelis would do is they coordinated with these
gangs, and they were a few 100. They
numbered a few 100 at the time, these
gang members, who were primarily from,
a number of Bedouin,
tribes
that exist in Gaza, but also their, family
links
expand into
what's now considered Israeli territory,
in the Nakab or Negev,
desert area. Beresaba,
is a major city there, and into the
Egyptian
Sinai.
And so
these groups and it's not by any means
to say that the entire Bedouin families are
like this. In fact, they've, the families have
officially condemned
these militants at this point, but they drew
from these,
these families
and specifically focused on
recruiting
criminals
who had escaped from
jails in the Gaza Strip,
police stations that were bombed. The entrances were
bombed by the Israelis at the beginning of
the genocide in 2023.
And these individuals who, like Yasser Abu Shebaab,
guilty of trafficking drugs. There's others. There's one
guy whose name is Shadi Asufi.
He was a convicted murderer,
who had fled to the Sinai at one
point to try and evade,
the law in the Gaza Strip and be
arrested. He was set to be executed before
Israel bombed,
the prison and allowed him to exit.
Set set to be executed by who? Who
was the one saying that? By by Gaza?
The hell by Gaza authorities or by from
Israeli authorities? The Gaza authorities. So the authorities,
Hamas, obviously, were,
the,
government in Gaza.
And so they had a police force, of
course, and a security apparatus.
And so they would do things like, for
instance, crackdown on, the smuggling of drugs across
the, Egyptian
border.
And it was these groups,
that we now see today, these thugs
that we see today who
were involved in facilitating
the transfer of drugs into the Gaza Strip,
and long known many of them as well
to be collaborators
with the Israelis and and to have spied,
and
committed murder,
you know, trafficking, all sorts of these, these
crimes. So these are criminals, essentially. These are
outlaws.
Israel then used these outlaws when the time,
the an opportune time came for them, which
was when they invaded Rafa. Because
before,
what happened in this the Gaza Strip is,
they had tried to use collaborators
in order to steal the aid,
to sow chaos,
to attack and even replace,
that's what their aim was, to replace the,
internal security force, which obviously is linked to
Hamas,
with these fucks. But they didn't get away
with it until
Rafah was invaded, and Israel got full control
over the Egyptian Gaza border area. And so
then, like I was explaining before, the aid
had to come in
specifically under Israeli supervision.
There was no policeman there. The Hamas police
couldn't get near this area to try and
secure the aid,
or they would be killed. They were taken
out in air strikes.
And so when the,
the international organizations,
the humanitarian organizations would bring in food aid,
they would bring in fuel or whatever they
would bring in the small quantities which were
allowed in.
And this is something that not all of
them could say outright. They couldn't admit it,
because, of course, you can't admit to every
single time you take aid into Gaza,
you have to pay a bribe. Right. But
they were forced to pay bribes
to Abu Shabaab
who runs this ISIS linked,
gang
that operates under full Israeli supervision.
Now we've seen they have Israeli tactical vests,
Israeli military helmets, Israeli,
weapons that were supplied to them.
They these humanitarian organizations had to send their
trucks for theirs. So they would either pay
the bribe
or they would be ambushed,
and the food would be taken,
and essentially brought to these warehouses, which the
Israelis have full view and knowledge of. And
then what Abu Shebaab's men would do is
that they would take this food aid, and
they would drip feed it into different areas
in Gaza onto the black market.
And what happened because of that and because
the humanitarian organizations really didn't have a choice,
they had to pay the bribes. They had
to just accept that bunches of their aid
and sometimes the entire aid truck would be
looted and taken
away. They essentially,
unfortunately,
accepted,
the situation where
the prices were hyped up at the markets
for food in Gaza. So only if you
were wealthy enough would you be able to
buy food to feed your family from these
markets, and the aid that came in was
not enough for the people as we saw
over a large period of time now,
especially children, the elderly, vulnerable people, people with
preexisting,
medical conditions have died of starvation,
malnutrition.
Many people have different,
chronic illnesses
that have come on because of the conditions
that they're living under. And then what happened
after the ceasefire,
came in earlier this year and Israel violated
it is they transformed
this criminal militia
into
a grassroots resistance
against Hamas, they're saying. And then this militia
force now carries out operations against Hamas for
the Israelis,
and also what it does
aside from looting aid continuing to do that,
and there are definitely cases documented cases where
they've done this,
they also are collaborating,
and they are the force
that is supposed to be, at least on
paper, securing aid,
transfers,
with the Gaza Humanitarian
Foundation. Mhmm. So all of this is interlinked,
and we haven't even gotten into the ISIS
links to these groups because these,
you know, many of these, militants, these criminals,
were either formerly members of, Da'esh, the black
branch of Da'esh, which, or ISIS,
which emerged in the Gaza Strip in 02/2015,
which Hamas cracked down on and destroyed
that very same year. It tried to come
back in waves after that. Hamas had to
confront it. In 2018,
ISIS declared war on Hamas,
because it was cracking down on these groups.
But they were also part of different Salafist
groups linked to Al Qaeda.
These these thugs and these criminals,
who who operate in the same networks,
going all the way back into,
the late two thousands.
So we're talking about
people who have been hardened,
salafist
militants,
combined with your common thieves
and criminals and murderers
who have essentially
collaborated with the Israelis and been armed by
the Israelis
as a so called grassroots resistance to Hamas,
which nobody in Gaza accepts, by the way.
But, unfortunately,
they have to accept that they exist and
that the aid is coming in that way
because they don't have anything to eat. Before
we go on to those other many other
points that we're gonna flesh out, the point
about right there where you highlighted about the
emergence of of that ISIS element in Gaza,
what's your opinion on that? We've talked in
the past, you and I, about the the
obvious
general sentiment of the, you know, ISIS, Al
Qaeda being essentially proxy elements of these powers.
That's not it's a very nuanced conversation. There's
many moving parts to it as you point
out. But so in your opinion right there,
is that an organic thing that that was
then pushed back? I mean, it's obvious to
show that that ISIS and Hamas are not
the same thing, and that many overlapping
examples throughout the year show you that ISIS
is very close to the Israeli US kind
of establishment. But in that moment, is that
an organic thing, or do you think that's
something they created and kept trying to institute
in that location? What's your opinion on that?
My opinion, I don't have proof that the
Israelis set up,
the Gaza wing of ISIS in 02/2015,
but my guess would be that they were
implicated in it.
I don't see
how these groups were operating otherwise. Mhmm.
And
especially even the declaration of war against Hamas
and how antithetical
they were,
Even in in 02/2015,
ISIS
fought to capture the Yarmouk refugee camp in
Syria. And so Hamas, which had sided with
the Syrian opposition, by the way, fought against
ISIS.
And one of their top commanders was captured
by ISIS. Hamas and the other opposition
groups
were defeated
by ISIS in in this battle,
and Hamas commander was beheaded by ISIS.
That was the same year that ISIS then
coincidentally just popped up in Gaza.
Now that they've had this battle with,
Hamas, Hamas obviously cracked down on them, but
we've seen that these Salafist elements and these
Al Qaeda linked elements,
were active in Gaza, were committing suicide bombings,
kidnappings
of journalists,
and activists as well, the murder of activists,
in the Gaza Strip.
For a very long time, there were massive
clashes
between Hamas,
their security forces,
and,
Al Qaeda cells.
Throughout the history of the Hamas rule of
the Gaza Strip, they constantly had to crack
down on them. They had to arrest,
the ringleaders in these,
terrorist cells,
and,
they fought, you know, gun battles in the
streets with, these militants.
So, you know, there's a long history of
that in the Gaza Strip. Not only that,
but another thing which is, I suppose,
anecdote on the side, which supports the notion
of Israeli involvement with these groups, is that
there were many times where Hamas arrested,
members of these Salafist groups for firing rockets
at Israel, these sort of bottle rockets that
they'd fire over, which would then invite an
Israeli response. Right. So there were these times
where randomly
and when nothing was happening seemingly,
there would be one or two rockets fired
over, and they would just land in open
areas, and they wouldn't pose a threat to
anyone. And then suddenly, that invited an Israeli
attack on the Gaza Strip, and and these
groups did that.
These are the groups that participated in that
and and Hamas,
their policemen arrested these people for it. The
implication clearly being at least not saying proof,
but the implication being that possibly
if they're working on behalf of this element,
which there's ties you can prove that that
was done for the interest of the desire
to launch that attack for whatever reason. As
we were very clearly seeing today as it's
coming out for what, the the fifteenth time
over the years where Israeli media and Israeli
people are highlighting that Netanyahu's once again can,
you know, conducting war to keep himself out
of jail. You know? And so that's one
very easily proven and obvious potential point there,
but that's just fascinating to see how many
different ways this interconnects and how long this
has been going on.
Do do so in regard to the ISIS
links and the GHF
connected back to Israel and United States as
well, for oh, first, the ISIS links in
general. So that's important. So regardless of being
ISIS connected,
these groups are what we just described. Right?
It's interesting. But then being what makes it
all the more insulting is to prove that,
you know, the very group they're always trying
to highlight is what they're fighting around the
world is, in fact, doing their dirty work
right on the ground, which is not new.
So go into what that is and if
you have any other examples of why it's
not new, I'd love to hear that too.
No. It's definitely not new. Like,
evidently, we know in the case of Syria,
the Israelis were backing
at least a dozen Syrian opposition groups since
02/2013.
One of them being,
Nusra Front, which was,
commanded
by,
Abu Mohammed al Shulani, who's now known as
Ahmed al Sharra. He's the Syrian president now,
who turned his organization. He changed the name
from Nusra
to,
Hayat Tahri e Sham,
which now runs Syria today.
But it's interesting because at the same time
in 2013
when these groups started getting funded, many of
them were collaborating, including Nosfera, by the way.
At the same time that Nusra was collaborating
and working together with ISIS in Syria,
the Israelis were simultaneously
providing funding and weapons
over to the group. So and and that's
now the guy who is running Syria, who
headed that organization, and it's no surprise,
to anyone that he's now moving towards a
normalization agreement,
with, the Israelis.
But, you know, the Syria element
to this obviously,
proves the point. It's the the strongest,
you know,
proof here.
But also
in the Gaza Strip now, these people, many
of these militants who are, you know,
hardened
salafists,
who were either,
loyal
to, ISIS or Al Qaeda movements in the
past are now openly collaborating with the Israelis
to overthrow Hamas.
And then, of course, they it's funny because,
Yasser Abu Shabab, the sort of ringleader,
he was interviewed on no other than the
Israeli army radio
to which he told the army radio that
all the claims that we're collaborating with Israel
is just propaganda,
Hamas propaganda,
while he's speaking to Israeli
army radio
from a territory
controlled by the Israelis
where they provide him with air support.
So, I mean, at this point,
those links are crystal clear.
We have lots of historical examples of Hamas
fighting against some Qaeda and against ISIS, of
course.
But now they're the Israelis, you know, they
let the cat out of the bag. And
even
Netanyahu, he was forced to admit,
because of Victor Lieberman and others in the
Knesset brought up the fact that why are
we funding ISIS? Maybe this could have blowback.
That was their point of view. Like, this
could, at some point, backfire on us. And,
so he admitted, no. No. There's nothing wrong
with funding these people. Like
like, this is a strategy against Hamas.
So they've openly admitted it at this point.
So it's it's not even something that we
have to debate right now whether it's happening.
We can talk about past examples. You know,
in 02/2015,
was the rise of ISIS in Gaza financed
by the Israelis or something like that, which
we don't have proof for. We can just
speculate.
But now it's it's out in the open.
These are hardened militant, some of them, and
criminals,
and that's really what they are. They're collaborators
and criminals more than they are ideologically committed
to anything. But, of course, if you allow
these people to take over, which they're not
powerful enough to do. But if you were
allowed to allow these people to take over,
they would rain terror on the people of
the Gaza Strip,
and the Israelis are completely fine with that.
And they're already doing that as you've recovered
many times. Right? Ethnic cleansing,
the I mean, all the white massacres. I
mean, it's it's been going on since the
beginning. And that's the most cartoonish part of
all this is that, like you described, Jelani
or whatever, you know, what is he calling
himself now? Or that is that his new
name? Yeah. Yeah. But the so, basically, now
it's the the group that was moments ago,
you know, we had a $10,000,000 bounty on
his head. The group they claim they're fighting,
you know, and just on a dime becomes
the man in the suit, and Trump's there
making a picture next to him. You know,
it's just so silly. And and and the
ongoing claims and, you know, the Israel sweeps
in and starts building bases and has names
for settlements. You know, it's just it's it's
it's insulting to our intelligence to not be
obvious about what that is. You know? But
but what's interesting is it it's not even
as you said, there are precedents around them
doing that in general or rather specifically with
these groups. But it's also in general, you
can see that they've done this before as
we've discussed many times. The you know? And,
again, to be fair, very nuanced situation. It's
not as simple as to say they just
control them, but Israel has been shown to
get money in the hands of Hamas
many times in order to to keep them
divided and keep the or rather keep the
Palestinian people divided. So even in that context,
you can see me. I think the point
is they'll throw money at whoever for whatever
reason as long as it suits their interest.
And that's there's nobody that is, you know,
unsavory enough for them is the kind of
point, and they'll put money in the hands
of anybody to achieve the ends. And it
it turns around and then point those very
people as the boogeyman they need to save
you from. You know, this is I mean,
it that's that's textbook US policy as well
right in front of us. Yeah. We we've
discussed the the Hamas,
situation, which I think is rather different to
this because Hamas,
when we're talking about the money going to
Hamas, we're talking about Qatari money, which was
before going to Hamas, but they just changed
the method of it and, obviously, it came
in suitcases,
for a period of time. And, this happened
not just with Netanyahu, but with Yair Lapid
and, Naftali Bennett as well.
Those funds came through.
But,
they obviously, in that situation, they didn't have
a a solution for Gaza. This is something
that I think everyone can agree upon. They
didn't have a solution for Gaza. So they
understood that
if they just let the situation deteriorate to
a point of collapse in the Gaza Strip
before,
and block all money coming in,
and no salaries could be paid in the
Gaza Strip, then it would disintegrate into a
situation of chaos, and it would,
beget war, and it would cause a problem
and a nuisance for the Israelis. The Israelis
wanted to sideline the Gaza issue, and so
they allowed this money to come in to
allow salaries to be paid, and the likes.
And and that's why the the funds,
had come in. And another element of it,
of course, is definitely keeping,
the Palestinian people divided, but that is more
like, more so what they did on the
Palestinian authority side. The Palestinian authority are essentially
a a full collaborator
force,
with the Israelis.
They do their bidding at every single turn,
and,
they crack down on grassroots resistance in the
West Bank. And even when Hamas in 2017
tried to sign an agreement to bring the
Palestinian authorities by all of their flaws
into,
control of the Gaza Strip. They wanted them
to take over the civil administration.
Israel and The United States collapsed it. So
they could have actually,
achieved
this so called old taking Hamas out of
power. That could have been achieved in 02/2017,
but they refused to do so. So,
it's another point against them. But you're correct
that they'll throw money at anything and anyone,
in order to try and serve, their aims
in the short term, and then they turn
around and and and cry victim
when suddenly things don't go their way. And
even the this could be the case in
Syria. Many of those groups that received funding
and were operating in Idlib,
you know, tomorrow, there could be a revolution
in Syria, and some of those groups could
take over. If that happens, now you might
have a government in Damascus,
which is,
adversarial to the Israelis. I'm not saying that's
going to happen,
but there are certainly lots of groups there
that are still adversarial,
to Israel.
So,
you know, and then they'll cry victim, but
it's like, well, you endorsed this. You endorsed
this whole experiment, and then you were trying
to normalize
with one of your
allies,
Ahmed al Sharra, who you funded since 2013
despite knowing that he was a commander of
ISIS and the the group he was commanding
was Al Qaeda in Syria, and it still
is Al Qaeda in Syria. The only difference
is the leadership of this Al Qaeda group
is controlled by foreign intelligence agencies.
Ahmed al Sharra or Jholani
has always been an asset of the MI
six.
And the others are different assets for other
intelligence
agencies.
But underneath that, the militants that are parts
of these groups
actually do adhere to the Al Qaeda
Right. Salafist,
mentality,
and
they do hate Israel.
So at any moment, that project could collapse,
and then suddenly you've got all these people
who want to attack you. And then they'll
cry victim. Which they could still use, though.
I think that's the mindset is that even
if it spins out of control, it kind
of makes their point real. You know what
I mean? Like, it's self fulfilling prophecy. You
know, it's so fast in the picture you
paint there is I mean, you have to
realize what you can prove these at these
assets at the top, which is what they
are. You know? It they and I think
even was it Mohammed bin Salman that essentially
admitted that at one point where he said
that you know, pointing out that, yes, they
essentially
are behind a lot of these groups, but
some of the people like, two things that
the leadership don't necessarily believe, like you just
said, in the ideology. It's more of a
tool of manipulation, but it also it kind
of said in so many words that they've
lost control of some of these groups. Like,
it just I forget what year that was,
but I remember them he was there was
a time where he was really speaking out
a lot, like, I think it was around
the Yemen point or it does not to
get into I'm forgetting exact mindset, but the
point that he said that publicly shows you
that, you know,
maybe that he's distancing himself from the loss
of that control. But, really, the idea that
ultimately they are out there trying just throwing
things into the situation, not caring that what
they're doing, like you said, could spin out
and hurt the very people on the ground
that they always profess to care about. You
know? But that that picture is so clear.
We're talking about leaders, you know, CIA, Mossad,
MI six, like, leadership moments that are guiding
all this chaos. How can we ever stand
back and pretend like those are the people
trying to give us liberty and freedom and
democracy? You know, it's it's so insulting to
our intelligence, but it's a good picture you
painted there. But let let go ahead. Go
ahead. No. No. I I I I just
said, like, this is the the the issue
here is that every single time they pull
off all these operations
or they might assassinate leaders in a certain
group or commit terrorist attacks somewhere using the
Mossad
or, you know, overthrow our government, and then
suddenly
after that government is overthrown
or
they assassinated a leader
and suddenly a group or a country has
become more hostile towards them or resistance forms,
suddenly then they're crying victim. And and just
as a small,
point,
to to take note of everybody, you know,
talking about Hezbollah terrorist, Hezbollah, Hezbollah.
And a lot of people don't know this,
but when the Israelis
entered into South Lebanon in 1982,
the Shia pro population, which is what brought
us Hezbollah,
That's where the Lebanese resistance comes from is
from the Shia.
At that time,
there were and then there is video footage
of this. They were throwing rice at the
feet of the Israeli soldiers. Many of them
actually supported, not all of them, of course,
but many Shia in the South actually supported
the Israelis coming in. You know why? Because
they, at that time, as, you know, they
weren't, politicized in the way that they are,
today. They believed
that the PLO had a state within a
state in their country, and they saw some
of the activities of the PLO.
And, you know, that was not to their
benefit. You know, they were actually,
being undermined because of the PLO in some
ways. And so that created this anger, and
a lot of the propaganda got through to
these people, and they actually celebrated. But what
happened when the Israelis actually came into South
Lebanon? Well, they bombed civilian areas. They committed
massacres against, civilians on the ground. And then
after 1982,
when the Palestinian resistance left to North Africa,
to Tunisia,
the Israelis used their Falange militia, the Lebanese,
Christian militia
to commit the Sabahran Shatila massacre
and, then commit, subsequent massacres against Palestinian refugees,
but also against Lebanese Shia as well. Right.
And they occupied the South Of Lebanon, and
that is what birthed in 1985
Hezbollah
from a population
that prior to that was not actually
active,
in in the struggle. There was the ML
movement, but the ML movement was not as,
hard line at that point. It actually had
a lot of problems with, the PLO. It
it will it would take a bit of
time to get into that,
that equation there. But, you know, in general,
they did not have a population in South
Lebanon like it is today. Mhmm. They created
that by killing them,
by subjugating them, by occupying them. And then
they turn around and they go, why do
these people hate us, and why are they
firing ballistic missiles at us? But it's like,
well, because you committed massacres against them. And
even today, they say, well, the pager attack
was so specific.
The majority of the people injured in the
pager attack were not Hezbollah militants. Right. The
majority of people entered in the pager attacks,
even if they were, family members or or
part of the party, were civilians in a
civilian capacity
in civilian areas. Women and children were killed
in the attacks, but they praise how wonderful
this pager attack is. No. When you do
something like that,
you turn an entire population against you. You
make you radicalize them against you, and you
make them want to resist. So they praise
it in the so called objective western media.
They praise terrorist attacks like this, and then
they turn around and cry victim.
Right. Well, I mean, it's this is this
is textbook terrorism. I mean, we've and anybody
honest can see that. It wasn't over 70%
of them were men and children. I mean,
have you seen some of these lineups of
of just, you know, the
most gruesome examples of them? Like, I saw
a picture. I think it was, like, seven
or eight children and women and KL standing
there with, like, missing eyes, an arm missing,
you know, like, horrible things. You know? And
and that they claim that they let it
sit there for ten years. I think the
evidence shows it was about five, but just
floated around the community. I mean, the side
point is obviously the concern of the infiltration
of that kind of field in The US
or anywhere else and whether that's something that's
going on today. You know, Samson option kind
of stuff. We know where that mindset is.
You know, that's really terrifying. You know? But
the the the overlap to that, the the
ongoing violation of everything they're doing, I mean,
it's just so it's so obvious that what
they're doing is
everything they've always claimed they're fighting and how
frustrating it is to see all these corporate
media entities like that go after it, praise
it. You know, it just shows you how
compromised all this is. And that's a a
I mean, unless you wanna get into it,
it's a conversation from the day that deserves
its own discussion about the comp the potential
level of infiltration, how compromised governments are. I
mean, I just think that's
one of the conversations of the day. Like,
we really need to start understanding
how much and how obvious it is that
Zionism has infiltrated a lot of these governments
in the world. If you have comments on
that, go ahead, but it's a deep conversation.
You know? It's a deep conversation, but there
is absolutely no doubt Yeah. At this point.
I mean, what we're seeing,
from not just in The United States, but
in Germany and in The United Kingdom,
of these regimes
and their stances. I mean, in The UK,
they're designating
Palestine action, which basically goes to weapons factories,
which
provide the weapons to the Israelis to commit
the genocide, and spray them with red paint
or might knock out a few windows and
stop the people from coming to work that
day. They're designating them a terrorist organization in
The UK. There's gonna be a vote, I
believe, on Wednesday about it in the in
the British parliament. And if that goes through,
they're they're designating
antiwar activists, most of whom came from the
climate movement as well. Like, that's these are
the kinds of people that they're calling terrorists
Mhmm. In the West because of the Zionist
lobby. And then there's no way of getting
around it. These governments are completely they completely
capitulate.
And and I'll add percent capitulate
to that pressure, and there's nobody that stands
up. And that's because the political system is
broken
and money for their campaigns and, you know,
getting reelected or gifts or being accepted in
certain circles is more important to these politicians
than their their own constituents. They don't care.
They don't care if that means killing children
in a foreign country and sending,
weapons components like Britain sends f 35 components,
still in Germany and The US are the
biggest suppliers of arms to the Israelis. It
doesn't matter if if they're committing genocide with
their weapons. They don't care.
Yeah. It it I I do believe, though,
as I as I think we've talked before,
that moment by moment, people are rapidly waking
up to this. And I think that is
a very clear reason why they're becoming more
desperate by the moment. And I think that's
why this seems to escalate even against what
would be classic kind of, you know, justification
for a little bit of restraint for whether
or not they're belligerent. You know? Like, they
recognize that people start to see it. For
whatever reason, they seem to be pushing harder.
You know? I think they sense the
they're on a knife's edge. You know? So
on that very kind of note, what do
you think about the potential
you know? I mean, I it's like I
always feel like I don't even wanna give
it credence the idea of a ceasefire in
Gaza because of how obviously they've continued to
lie about it and how obviously they never
seem to you know? They're lying to us
about what they wanna achieve. But just since
it's it is popping back up on the
point of a potential ceasefire in Gaza and
Trump claiming he wants that again. You know,
what's your what's your sentiment on that, on
where that might go or where it is
right now? Well, I'm always hesitant to,
get excited about anything like this. By the
way, that's wrong wrong, article I had up
on the screen. So go ahead. I'll bring
up the other one in a second. Go
ahead. Well, that links into it because they're
saying that Donald Trump,
he wants to try and push for the
Israelis to drop the corruption trial against Netanyahu
as part and parcel
of achieving achieving a ceasefire and a prisoner
swap Oh, okay. With Gaza. So it is
actually relevant, that article that you pulled up.
Look.
At at this point, you know, we've had
twenty one months of these sorts of claims
coming out about, oh, there'll be a ceasefire
at this time in two weeks and, you
know,
at Christmas, you know, on Easter or whatever,
Ramadan ceasefire or whatever it will be.
We've been experiencing this, and we've gone been
going through this time and time again,
for twenty one months. And
what I would say about it now as
it stands is that the Israeli cabinet had
a,
mini meeting yesterday,
and members of the cabinet were informed that
there had been no progress on the
ceasefire. None. They hadn't made any progress because
the Israelis will not they will not cede
to the key point that Hamas holds, which
is that they want a a full
comprehensive
ceasefire,
which is lasting.
They want a lasting ceasefire. They don't want
a a ceasefire for twenty days or something
like that. They want the ceasefire to hold.
And by the way, Hamas have already said,
we will cede power in Gaza.
We will cede power. They've said this. This
has been their position
for
the best part of at least,
six, seven months now that they've been open
about this,
perhaps longer.
They've said, we will hand over the Gaza
Strip to a interim administrative
body, which is formed of experts and people
and local,
leaders
in the society
to govern Gaza.
We don't want to have a Hamas rule
in Gaza. They've openly said it multiple times.
Israel does not care about that, and Israel
says even after, you know, defeating Hamas, they
wanna keep going. That they repeatedly said this.
So now we're hearing,
this talk. In my opinion, when we hear
these kinds of,
announcements,
it's normally to do with the Israeli domestic
audience. Because after Iran struck
the Israelis,
the appetite for the war in Gaza decreased.
It's weird because the, support for Netanyahu
increased because they believed a lot of his
claims, but the appetite for the war in
Gaza decreased because the people actually, you know,
got hit by a country that has the
ability to properly defend itself once. And so
the the Israeli population overwhelmingly wants a ceasefire
and a prisoner exchange. Now it's,
the vast majority of Israelis want it now,
because they wanna wrap it up. And the
reason for that is very clear. They they
say it openly. We're losing too much soldiers
in Gaza.
Our soldiers are being killed in a more
rapid rate now. We don't know what we're
doing. Our military operation is not working, and
we wanna get back to normal life. And
so
because that pressure is there, Netanyahu,
he knows that, well, I need to give
the people something to, you know, feed on
to sort of cool down,
you know, their sentiments and and try and
stop some of these protests again,
within the Israeli society because he knows if
he goes to a ceasefire
and he doesn't achieve anything in Gaza, he's
lost the war per his own
announcements before his own people.
There is a question about, okay, his real
aim was a genocide, which we all know
that his real aim was, okay, we're not
going to crush Hamas. We're going to crush
the Gaza people. And then by extension, what
that would mean is basically that, you know,
once we ethnically cleanse Gaza, well well, Hamas
cannot exist then anyway. Right? That was his
real strategy
reading in between the lines and even reading
their own statements. They they say it openly.
But,
his stated goals were crushing Hamas and returning
the captives by force, which he's not been
able to do. And so his coalition
could collapse
in on itself.
And that's not just a bad thing if
it goes to instant elections and he loses
here because he can't actually,
have a vote of, no confidence against him
now for about five months,
because the last one failed. But even next
year,
come the elections,
if he loses his coalition partners, he's done
as a politician, and then that corruption trial
could come in and put him in jail,
and he knows that. Right. And, also, you
know, what is Israel after this?
I I don't think it's the
the same entity that existed before October 7.
I think Israel no longer exists. It's trying
to redefine itself. It's trying to expand its
territory. It's trying to achieve victories where there
is no victory to be achieved,
and and there is no Israel anymore. I
don't think an Israel exists anymore.
There is a
genocidal entity,
which is trying to redefine its vision and
redefine
what it is. Right.
And it's very divided
as well. The the the Israeli society can't
even figure out what Israel is anymore or
even what order should be.
So, you know,
all of this talk about ceasefire,
it is possible,
and I would say
the the largest
if it's going to happen,
in my opinion,
and I may be wrong. I've gotten things
wrong before. I've gotten quite a few things
wrong.
I believe that it would be to clear
the Gaza front out of the situation, to
take Gaza out of the situation so that
they can focus on Iran.
Mhmm. That would be my guess,
if there is a ceasefire that is,
reached. It would be purely so that they
can focus on
Iran and take Gaza out because Gaza
in the case that there's an all out
regional war,
Gaza could pose an enormous threat.
They could. Especially, the Israeli military is focused
up up north with the Hezbollah attack.
It could pose an enormous threat, and I
think they understand this.
Yeah. So this is interesting. So in a
backward way, this could ultimately end up being
a positive from Gaza's perspective that this could
drive them to want to take it for
strategic reasons, which would whatever causes it, at
least a stopping for the moment would be
good in Gaza. Right? So, I mean, just
on a quick side note, prediction. Mark my
words, everyone listening. I'm willing to bet you
if that happens, here's what will follow. The
Q community is gonna warp this into Trump
deliberately tricked Netanyahu into bombing Iran, therefore getting
his attention over there to cause the ceasefire
because he's the peace president. Watch. I'm willing
to bet you anything that's what happens even
though that's
absurdly ridiculous when you consider all the facts
on the table. Before we go into the
next part of it, though, there's a weird
element to this in the ceasefire conversation that
sort of lingered, and I wanted your thoughts
on this because I haven't seen it covered
that much. Now there was a point put
out, and I did confirm this with the
actual back and forth, like, the the the
back and forth of the potential ceasefire points
going around through the different mediators, which was
that,
I think, twice,
they put forward, like you just said, the
idea that they would remove themselves
from the conversation, which met what Israel pretends
at least that it actually wanted to accomplish
when we know it's nothing more than that.
But twice, it seems that the Israeli
US team
denied that and then reinserted the language that
kept them in or changed it to where
it kept them in as opposed to remove
now. So would you have thoughts on that?
Is that even valid? Because I'd heard that
that would explain a lot, like, that at
the end of the day when it comes
to the real point that they're trying to
make sure Hamas sticks around because it's the
justification for their endpoint. What do you think
about that? And is there any evidence to
that? Well, Hamas
have said and they actually have said this
for a long time, and Hamas have not
wanted to govern independently.
This is something for,
years that Hamas has wanted
to form a unity government. You might remember
that in 02/2014, there was a rather big
attack on the Gaza Strip, which lasted, I
believe, fifty one days.
And that started because Hamas
had attempted to sign
a unity agreement with the Palestinian Authority.
Hamas has time and time again tried
to step down and allow others to govern,
but it won't do that.
It will it refuses to do that if
that means sacrificing the weapons
that protect people, that
prevent
there being an all out,
ethnic cleansing.
Mhmm. As horrible as what we've seen happen,
you know, unfold before our very eyes, the
Palestinians still have the ability
to fight the Israelis.
It's not, you know, an army against an
army. You know? These are guerrilla fighters against,
you know, one of the best equipped militaries,
armies on the planet, which doesn't actually fight,
by the way. It it it it's never
actually tried to engage the Palestinian fighters. If
it did so, then its casualties would be
in the tens of thousands, I assure you.
And they know that because in 02/2014,
they went in on the ground against Hamas,
and they got their asses kicked.
And and that's why they haven't gone
and tried to seek out Hamas. What they've
done essentially is they've hit themselves in armored
vehicles and in tanks. They've not even put
infantry next to those tanks,
and they just hope that, well, if if
an RPG hits the tank in an ambush
or there's an IED that goes off, there's
some injuries we can, like, quickly, you know,
evacuate them.
And they haven't fought them directly. The only
footage you can find
of,
you know, indirect combat where there's,
you
know, one force going after the other is
Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the PFLP, the DFLP,
Fatah, who are the other groups
directly engaging the Israeli military. Mhmm. They never
engaged them. There have been a handful
of special forces operations.
Most of them failed. I think only one
of them succeeded
against,
the Palestinian groups. Other than that, they've just
sat in fortified areas and hid inside buildings,
and they've been ambushed by the Palestinians.
And that isn't in of itself a deterrent
because if you look in the West Bank,
whatever Israel wants to do in the West
Bank, it does. It does anything it likes
to do in the West Bank, and no
one holds them back because the Palestinian Authority
collaborate with them. So Hamas will not allow
their weapons to
them to drop their weapons,
and they will not allow an agreement which
will put a foreign entity in control of
the Gaza Strip.
They want a full ceasefire, and they want
the people of Gaza to run, and they
want the people of Gaza to still maintain
a capacity
even if it's not Hamas
being, the banner anymore, and they say we're
no longer Hamas,
for them to possess a capability
of self defense.
And so
that that's the major issue there is that
the Israelis
do not want to allow Hamas to step
aside and allow Gaza to govern its own
affairs and then those police forces and those
resistance fighters to go, okay. Now we're part
of the Gaza,
administration
because they're still gonna have their weapons.
Right. They're still going to maintain a capacity
to defend themselves,
and they can govern themselves. And they know
what's gonna happen when they gover Gaza governs
themselves. They will rebuild their territory. And if
Israel tries to attack them again, they will
defend themselves.
And they don't want that. They want a
defenseless people who are expelled from the land
or they're completely subdued, and they are incapable
of standing up for their rights. They want
them there in a cage in a concentration
camp,
and they don't have a solution for them.
Their only solutions are either to expel the
entire population or exterminate them all. Right. So
that is the problem that the Israelis have,
but they can't,
expel them all because if they expel them
all, then that creates that destabilizes
Egypt and Jordan.
So then suddenly, now you've opened up two
more fronts against yourself. Right.
So the Israelis are just genocidal
maniacs with the country's population, which overwhelmingly
agrees with this genocidal mania.
And
this is what they're carrying out.
And there's no other way to describe it.
Yeah. And and what's interesting is you can
point this out. So exactly the point you
made, which I think the evidence speaks for
itself. The intention was a genocide. I think
that's self evident at this point. And so
if your intention was always genocide, then then
even from a strategic standpoint, why would you
send in all those troops? Why wouldn't you
just or, you know, infantry. Why would you
just bomb them into submit you're like, well,
it's the submission is a different point. They're
not clearly, they're not even doing that. But,
you know, just bomb them relentlessly until you
kill them all. I mean, that it you
know, the my point is it explains itself.
You can see why they chose. Your point
is also obviously there. They know they can't
succeed in in any right. But my point
would be that there might be points where
you might do that. The reason they seem
not to is because they're not only sacrificing
their own people in that way. As you
can see, endless videos of,
hidden Palestinian,
you know, military elements running up and putting
bombs in the tanks, running away because as
you said, there's no one there to protect
them. You know? And it's it's just they're
willing to sacrifice those people because they know
it's just about
mass execution, at least as my opinion, but
I think the evidence speaks for itself. Well,
there's the genocide there, and then there is
the performance that has to be put on
for the psychopathic,
ill
Israeli population.
They're they are. They're they're they're a nation,
that are
sadistic
and support overwhelmingly according to all the polls,
genocide.
Yep. Overwhelmingly, they support genocide. So this really
quickly. The majority clearly does. That's proven time
and time again, but I do think it's
always valid to point out that there's not
an insignificant amount of people that do stand
up and push back on this stuff, but
it's definitely minor in compared. And I just
unless they're lying about it, which is possible.
I just I do see, you know, groups
of orthodox Jewish communities or people that are
saying Zionism is doesn't represent us. They're being
genocided. You know? And it's it's just large
groups, but it's definitely a small minority. I
just think that's important to point out. Jewish
Jewish people are different because then you're looking
at other countries. I meant I meant just
in Israel, though. But but you're you're right.
Go ahead. Are the Israeli Jewish population, like,
the ultraorthodox
are another question.
You know,
they're they don't actively participate
in the Israeli military in their views. They
don't really care about a modern nation state
per se.
And there are elements of them that have,
you know, come out and their groups that
protest against
the Israelis treatment
of Palestinians. It's not the majority, by the
way. Right. But it is a portion.
And then there's, you know, some people that
are more to the left. There's a very
small portion of these people.
It's a very, very, very, very, very small
portion of the Israeli,
population, but they do exist, of course.
Of course, then you have Jewish people in
other countries, which, you know, are standing up,
you know, in all of the protests, and
we see the actions of Jewish people,
in The UK or in Germany or in
France or The United States, Canada, etcetera.
That's another question.
But in terms of the Israeli
majority of the Israeli Jewish society,
all the polls demonstrate.
They not only do they not,
do they support genocide killing everyone in the
city that they capture when it comes to
Gaza. Mhmm. They also overwhelmingly
support not caring about civilian life when they're
bombing Iran. They did polls on this recently.
I think a 73%
of the Israeli Jewish population said they don't
basically, they don't care,
and they don't think there should be much
consideration
for civilians
when bombing Iran.
That is the population they're dealing with. And
so the Israeli media and the Israeli political
leadership
have to deal with this psychotic
population,
which are quite frankly
genocidal,
the vast majority of them.
And they have to convince them, you're winning.
You're the heroes.
Right. Also, you're victims at the same time,
and Netanyahu's
doing this. And then he's gonna try to
and there's gotta be this big theater. And
that's why the army's in there, like, operation
Gideon's chariots too, which just started around, like,
I think a month ago now. I can't
remember.
Was supposed to be phase two of the
war, and I remember writing articles when it
just started. And I said this will be
exactly more of the same of what we
saw in the first phase so called of
the war. There will be nothing different. The
Israeli military I I laid it out step
by step Mhmm. And exactly what I said
happened.
And and now this operation Gideon's chariots, its
wheels have fallen off,
and it and it's achieved absolutely nothing. And
they haven't done all these big operations, and
we're gonna go in and smash Hamas and
Khan Yunus and then Deir El Barak, and,
oh, we're gonna do this and this and
this, and we're gonna achieve victory over the
telangi
and all of this.
They haven't achieved that.
And, obviously, they haven't achieved that. And now
the Israeli public go, oh, well, we're getting
killed. Our soldiers are being killed. It's like,
yeah. Well, you're going and and running incursions
into areas where armed groups are. Mhmm.
And these armed groups are people who've lost
sometimes their entire families, and you're like, oh,
our poor soldiers are being killed. So now
there has to be a performance.
And Netanyahu
has to put on a performance for his
psychotic population
who are
so
insane
that it's like, well, when we lose seven
soldiers, it's the end of the world, but
it's okay that we massacre 50 children today.
It's okay that we starve to deaf children
today.
It's okay that we tested new chemical munitions
on them today. It's okay that we lured
people into an aid point,
after starving them and then shot them in
the head today. But how dare
our 19 year old sergeants, which is another
thing of their participation
trophy army. It's not a real army.
19 year old sergeants. Oh, no. Six of
our 19 year old sergeants, which were placed
in one armored personnel carrier were killed today.
Oh my god. We need a ceasefire.
Oh, we're suffering.
Oh, it's so horrible.
And then here comes the performance by Netanyahu
to to, you know, make them feel good
about themselves just like when they, they kept
delaying Gideon's chariot.
And the performance came. These statements by Iel
Zamir, the, chief of staff of the Israeli
military, we will launch a crushing blow against
Hamas,
and we are going to destroy them, and
we're gonna do this, and we're gonna do
that. All these statements about we have new
weapons, and The US have given us this,
and and then they go in and nothing
happens. It's just more bombing of civilian areas,
and then their troops go in and do
exactly what they did before and get killed.
It it's just it's
it's,
I don't know. It's you can't make this
stuff up. It's just
so psychotic and covering it.
It quite frankly,
it gives you a headache. It gives you
a headache trying to because even as I'm
explaining it to you,
I
can't can't
contain myself, but to use words like psychotic
and sadistic
because it's so insane.
It is. I mean, it's it's compelling. Remain
objective.
It's just insane.
It is. And and it's you know what
it is, Robert, at least in my opinion,
is that it's it's obvious. It's it's when
you're looking at something that is self evident.
You know? It's and they're just making up
a narrative around why it's not that, and
then that alone is frustrating. You know? But
then that you get these massive influential groups
of people who you clearly know they know
that's not true, that don't care, and then
drive you know, create these narrative stories around
the lie, and that becomes this massive thing.
You it's it's, like, exhausting that we even
have to why do we even have to
step into that ridiculous conversation? Like, I get
it. It's it's overwhelmingly
frustrating. But, you know, I think what's
the the whole thing is that, clearly, we
all can see based on the evidence what's
actually taking place. We we should stop, you
know, even
giving these people time about the arguments. The
problem is that they have influence. They've got
funding. They've got resources. You know? And, clearly,
they do have an effect on some people.
Back to my point, though, is I think
that most people are seeing this because of
work like yours, because of the efforts that
we're continuing to put forward. And I think
there's something, you know, powerful there. You know?
But it's only gonna get crazier. They're only
gonna get more absurd and more forceful and
scream more racism, you know, as this continues
on. So I think that the point is
to keep doing what we're doing and keep
highlighting this. I know you have a short
limited time. We're on up against the hour
here. You wanna talk about Iran before we
go today a little bit more about the
same kind of stuff we talked about, but
we've been touching on a little bit. You
know, give me your, you know, five minute
overview of what's happening there and, you know,
the the the same thing, the the ceasefire
claims, whether the the validity of the bombings,
you know, whatever you think is most important
to encapsulate before we have to run out
of time here. I think there's a few
things to to note there with, the attack
on Iran. Obviously,
there is the international law and
disintegration
of the United Nations and its charter on
one hand, and then there's what actually happened.
Perhaps I'll start with what happens and we
can, you know, summarize,
the implications
on the international post World War two system.
When the Israelis launched their surprise attack, which
is what it was, it was not a
preemptive attack because there's no evidence that there
was anything to preempt,
and it was in the midst of negotiations.
When they launched their attack,
I believe that the biggest mistake they made
was they went after residential areas because they
invited the largest possible Iranian response in the
first round. But what Israel did is it
thought, well, we can go after it. If
you read all the fintechs and what they
were saying, oh, Iran is so weak. And
if Israel does x y zed, then the
Iranians will be put on the back foot,
and we can close this quickly, etcetera, etcetera.
The Israelis went in, and they assassinated essentially
30
generals, IRGC generals,
and I think seven scientists.
And they took down residential buildings to do
this. They believe that Iran, like Hezbollah, would
be sort of knocked off balance by this
and wouldn't be able to mount a considerable,
retaliation. Hezbollah, in their case,
the,
strikes
that, eliminated its leadership, its senior leadership, and
some of its middle command,
it ended up putting it on the back
foot. Hezbollah was still capable of surviving and
and fighting on the ground and repelling an
Israeli incursion,
but Hezbollah was seriously damaged. There's no question
about it in that fighting.
It was a blow.
Now it's recovering, but it's different. You know,
like, the Israelis could go in and attack
them in a way that nobody thought possible.
The Iranians, they completely miscalculated. They thought that
this blow was going to be, you know,
essentially, a knockdown blow, and the Iranians weren't
going to be able to find their, footing.
And even I spoke to, a range of
contacts,
military contacts, some analysts, and then some ex,
US military contacts.
And they all told me the same thing.
They said between two to five days, it's
gonna take Iran to just get back on
its feet. Don't expect any retaliation anytime soon,
you know, all of this stuff.
Iran's air defenses were taken offline for the
first portion of that attack because of the
fact that the Israelis have this vast network
of, collaborators
on the ground inside of Iran, thousands of
them,
that had worked. You know? And most of
the attacks in the end were actually carried
out by Mossad agents and not by the
Israelis themselves. That really quickly that you brought
up in the past, by the way. You've
mentioned this discussion about the in the them
using these sleeper elements inside of Iran. So
I just wanna point that out. Yeah. Yeah.
And this is something that I believe they
were going to, to do in the event
of attack. Something I didn't anticipate is how
brazenly they went after civilian areas. Mhmm. And
those images on the first day of, like,
a dead toddler covered in ashes on the
street and, you know, a woman a mother
trapped under the rubble with her children,
that radicalized the Iranian population. And in fact,
you know, the Israelis and their puppet, Shah,
the son of the Shah,
this,
you know, monumental,
loser,
to be honest with you, came out giving
multiple speeches calling for an Iranian revolution, and
the the the regime is collapsing.
It's collapsing. Each day, it was collapsing even
more than it collapsed the previous day,
and nobody in Iran even came out for
a single protest
in favor of, this scumbag who by the
way, even his father,
somebody that is that openly a collaborator,
even his father probably would have put him
in one of his infamous torture centers,
for behaving in the way that he has
behaved
as a as a side note.
But they they tried this, but the Iranian
people stood behind their government
because of the way that they were attacked,
even people that hate their government with a
passion. Many of them flipped
because of the way that their civilian population
was attacked.
Iran, to everyone's surprise,
got back on its feet, got its air
defenses back online, replaced its generals, and launched
a devastating missile attack in the central in
Central Tel Aviv, which I was shocked watching
it live on the Mayadeen,
TV myself.
Within fifteen hours, they did all of this.
Mhmm. And the Israelis, I think, were taken
back. It was just missile wave after missile
wave after missile wave. And suddenly,
the streets of Tel Aviv looked like the
streets of Gaza. And Netanyahu came out. We're
not gonna allow this to be a war
of attrition. We're not gonna allow this to
be a war of attrition. The United States
gets involved
very quickly, and then they've wound this down.
In my opinion, this is not the end.
This is not the end at all.
This will definitely flare up again. The ceasefire
agreement,
it wasn't an agreement. It was just both
sides just decided to stop
because I'm not saying so.
Mhmm. There's no actual written agreement.
Got three things I wanna ask you then
before we go really quickly. So the the
what's your thought on the ceasefire?
From from my research, it seems that the
statement was made by Trump, and he either
was under the impression that somehow that was
given to the Iranians or he didn't care
that it wasn't, and then nobody even knew
about it, but they all kind of just
agreed, like you're saying? Is that kinda what
happened?
That's that's the impression that I've been given
as well. Oh, interesting.
It's just a weird thing to happen. It's
just, you know, what do you think about
Trump? Do you think but I find it
a weird way he he did that. Like,
that to me gives me the feeling that
he is being played in some way. What
do you do why do you think about
that? I feel like it it it is
that. I think the Israelis are the ones
that,
organize this because they wanted a ceasefire very
desperately. You could see that their air defenses
were collapsing,
that Iran only had to fight fire five
missiles to hit the targets that they wanted
to, towards the latter end of the twelve
days.
At the start, Iran had to fire, like,
200 missiles, you know, to hit all of
their targets. You know? In one batch, I
think they fired 50 and another a 150
on the first day. You know? And and
lots of them got caught by the air
defenses. But after a while of just pounding
away, those air defense systems
were essentially
null and void for smaller attacks.
Mhmm. So the Israelis wanted to end it.
And I think they just used Trump to
end it because they wanted to get out
of it. I think they wanted to experiment
to see what would happen if The US
attacked the nuclear facilities.
Evidently, I think at this point, and I
could be wrong, some new information could come
out which completely,
debunks this.
But I think the whole idea of the
obliteration of the nuclear sites is utter nonsense.
I don't think there the Natanz facility seems
to have been very badly damaged before Doh,
I don't think so. Some of the above
ground facilities were definitely taken out, but it's
something Iran can recover from. So satellite imagery
that show that. I mean, they're they've been
caught, as far as I'm concerned, lying about
the the the totality of it. Yeah. Exactly.
And and,
essentially, what they've done is they've actually, you
know, forced Iran into a position where now
it will be more it will accelerate its
pace at least in terms of enrichment,
if not actually getting a nuclear weapon. I
think that's what Israel wanted from it, to
be honest.
Maybe that that that could have been the
case. I think that, like, they they they're
part of this was experimental.
Part of this was they, you know, they
tried a certain attack and it failed. Mhmm.
Their missions failed. All of their missions failed.
They didn't achieve anything, but they still are
fixated on regime change, and they are going
to continue to pursue regime change. And we
would be naive to think otherwise.
And, I don't think it's a real you
know, I I I cannot see it being
a lasting ceasefire,
whether it disintegrates in a few days, in
a few months, or in a year.
You know, at the end of the day,
this is not a real agreement. It's just
not. And I don't think this can hold
for long personally. I think that soon you're
gonna seal, see more air strikes in Tehran
and more missile strikes in Tel Aviv,
and and that's going to be the way
that this goes.
But one thing I I would say, and
and I wanted to note this before we
end, is that this has been the complete
disintegration of the international order post post World
War two in the United Nations.
You you and the viewers
of this program will probably remember that in
02/2003,
the secretary general of the United Nations,
Kofi
Annan, came out and accused The United States
of violating the UN Charter for attacking Iraq.
Now at that time,
the UN Security Council
had previously voted
on a,
resolution
condemning condemning Iraq, but The United States failed
to get the second resolution,
which authorized the use of,
of force against Iraq. Therefore, it was illegal.
And the secretary general of the United Nations
said that The United States violated
the UN charter. There was at least some
opposition. The protests in the street against the
Iraq War were some of the biggest anti
war protests in human history. Right. This time,
there was no, you know, years of, weapons
of mass destruction and chemical weapons that we
gave to them, but, hey. Let's ignore the
fact that we gave them the weapons.
And there's this propaganda campaign didn't exist. The
public opposition, there were maybe a few 100
people protesting in Washington DC when it happened.
The United States and Israel
both attacked
Iran, a sovereign country, violating the UN Charter,
both of them.
And what did Antonio Guterres say? He expressed
concern,
and he urged,
de escalation,
and he condemned all sides equally. His statement
against Iran's retaliatory
strike against the
US CENTCOM,
in Al Ubaid,
airport in,
airbase in in Qatar,
was more strong than the Israeli
attack and The US attack on Iran. The
IAEA
had it basically has been captured at this
point by the Israelis and the Americans Right.
And it does their bidding. The whole international
order is gone. There's no there's no grassroots
anti war movement anymore.
The the United Nations is null and void.
Its charter is null and void. International law
doesn't matter anymore. None of these countries stood
up and went, wait. This is a violation
of the UN charter. Oh, wait. International law.
We're in the law of the jungle.
Right. That's that's where we're at. And this
is the result of what happened in Gaza
where we normalize,
slaughtering hundreds of people, civilians every single day,
and and nobody stands up against it.
We normalize genocide. We normalize mass starvation
and all the human rights reports and all
of the UN reports and the ICJ ruling,
preliminary ruling
and the ICC warrants.
You know, the wrong statute is dead.
The ICC is dead.
The all the organs of the United Nations
are essentially null and void and dead. The
only influence that these, you know, international bodies
have is on public opinion. That's it. Right.
They don't have an influence on anything else.
So what Israel and The United States have
done is put the final nails in the
coffin of international law and the post World
War two order, which was created
to
stop in ideally,
to stop the sort of atrocities
that we saw during the second World War
committed by all sides, but especially by the
Nazis.
So, essentially, what Israel has done,
Israel has removed
all of the safeguards
put to put together
by the
world to prevent the resurgence
of Nazi
war crimes.
That's what Israel has done.
And that that's just the truth. Yeah.
It is. I mean, it's it's so
obvious
that this has been something that's been building
for a long time. And to your point
about the propaganda,
I mean, I think it has sort of
been there. We saw a really obvious ramp
up and, like, a focal point of propaganda
around WMDs. But as you cover, as we
know, the the the building of propaganda around
going after Iran has been going on for
decades. You know? And so this is interesting
to see this sort of begin, if you
wanna say that. I mean, I think I
do think this is the beginning of where
this goes in this kind of final part
of what they're trying to achieve. But I
think what you've highlighted today and the information,
I mean, this, it does give me hope
again that that, you know, you see this.
And I do I do think a lot
of other people see these things, many people
for the very first time. And I do
think that that is a hopeful moment. And
even the point about, like,
the international apparatus, the different mechanisms only essentially,
you know,
influencing public opinion. I mean, what that shows
me is everyone out there listening, the world,
you know, the the it requires
your involvement.
Right? This is where we need to step
in as the individuals and do whatever we
think in our personal lives and our inner
circles to try to point these things out,
call out these truths, and see this, you
know, something start to begin in that direction
because that's why that's the reality. Because if
we're not pushing our local power structures to
do what we want or, you know, the
the different ways we at least pretend represent
the government's work. And we have lost. We
are we are failing our duty from that
perspective as well. But I think that what
one bigger thing we can see is, you
know, a lot larger thing happening behind all
of this. I think you very clearly highlighted
all the manipulations through these things, but I
think there's a bigger dynamic happening. Like, that
all of this are are different moving parts
to something larger toward the end. And I
think an example of that to end, and
free feel free to comment on this on
the way out, is the the foreknowledge of
all this. You know, the warning of Iran
that appeared to be there, which we've seen
in the past. Right? The back channels around
bombing the Iraq base in in The US,
but, you know, that that was discussed beforehand.
You know, in this case, I think it's
been clearly shown that there was foreknowledge. You
know, if somebody had warned the b two
bombers were publicly discussed, so it's not like
Iran didn't see it coming. You know? And
then the the in reverse where Iran I
mean, Trump pulled people away from Iraq. The
Qatar base was basically removed in regard to
people and important assets, and then they bombed.
Right? And so, clearly, it was meant to
be so to me, that's sort of a
coordination. And not not to say necessarily all
of them are on the same side, which
we shouldn't care. We should consider that. Like
in the COVID nineteen dynamic where we saw
them all kind of lockstep in the agenda.
My simple point is that we make sure
we're all out there seeing the parts we
we discussed today, but also where else it
could be going. The bigger moving parts of
sort of the globalist, Zionist, technocratic kind of
awakening that we're seeing are really just the
mask coming off and where that might be
going. You know? So what you know, the
the possible endgame to what all this might
lead to. You know? But thank you again
for joining us and and updating us because
it really you have such a wealth of
knowledge on this, Robert. And, I think it's
important people to check out your work, whether
that's on Last American Vagabond or Mint Press
News, wherever it may be today. And I
will say to on the way out, then
I'll let you say anything you'd like to
on the way out as well, that more
will be coming through TLAB from Robert. So
look forward to that. So thanks for being
here again, brother. Anything else you wanna leave
us with? Go ahead.
No. I'd just say, yeah, we have to
wait and watch how things develop.
It's very hard to predict things precisely, but,
yeah, you know, we might be surprised by,
the public and their reactions in the future.
But right now, you know, I think,
there has been a a lack of reaction
to this, which has been quite shocking.
But, thank you for having me on, and,
as always, it's been a pleasure.
Thanks, brother. And we'll we'll be talking again
soon. So everybody out there, as always, question
everything. Come to your own
conclusions. Stay vigilant.