Welcome to the last American Vagabond. I have
Shannon Joy here today to discuss the chaos
of the world, the independent media
upheaval, and all the different things going on
in the world today. We haven't connected yet.
This will be the time we've connected online,
and we're really both looking forward to having
an engaging conversation
because I see her work in in a
in a field in a part of this
field that I greatly respect. She's she comes
at these things in an objective way, nonpartisan,
trying to find the truth. And I think
as crazy as that that seems like such
a basic thing, but you'd be surprised if
you're new to this how many people in
this field, you know and we briefly talked
off air about it. Will you know, whether
willful ignorance or just deliberate action will fall
into that category for many different reasons. So
maybe we'll touch on that overarching point. But
we'll get to some current events today, talk
about things going on. I imagine Los Angeles
and riots, protests,
Palantir,
you know, health related focuses, and we'll start
probably wherever whatever she sees as most important.
But thank you for being here today. And,
Shannon, it's great to have you on the
show. How are you? Oh, it's so great
to be on the show with you. I'm
a great admirer of yours
as well and your work.
The the group of independent
media
outlets,
presenters,
creators that you guys have put together is
just so important.
So I've
been really looking forward to this interview. And,
yeah, it's like a fire hose in your
face every single
day
because everyone's lying. I mean, that's that's the
thing, you know. And and and to your
point, I would say,
the most radical position in The United States
Of America today
is one that rejects both political parties, the
left and the right. And
it boggles my mind every time I, you
know, I see that this, you know, play
out with
the Hegelian dialectic
problem reaction solution,
you know, the false flags, the the
the created
controversies,
and how they just always move us. I
mean, if you
if you observe politics
over a a long enough period of time
for me, it's been twelve years since I
started my show. It was a radio show
for ten years before I moved into to
video
podcasting and platforming two years ago.
But I have been
observing
and reporting
on
politics for twelve years
from this perspective as an independent.
And just to see it play out over
and over and over, it doesn't matter what
the crisis is. It doesn't matter what the
controversy is. It doesn't matter who's elected.
You you the the infrastructure
continues to be built, and it's an infrastructure
of of
massive tyranny
unlike anything
that we have seen in our lifetimes or
perhaps human history given the technological
advances
that we've seen just in the past decade
or two. Mhmm. So
independent media is
so critical. We have to support each other,
protect each other, allow each other to disagree
on certain issues because a lot of us
are coming from opposite I mean, I was
a a conservative
Republican,
born again. I'm still born again.
But, I mean, my entire life grew up
on Rush Limbaugh, never voted for a Democrat
in my life, started my show, and then
would you know, hit a brick wall. I
was like, what the heck is this? Once
I started paying attention, I realized Mhmm. The
Republicans were just as bad as the Democrats,
if not worse. So,
you know,
finding each other and allowing each other to
disagree on some of these legacy issues
is so important. And I think also to
your point,
you know, also understanding that, you know, sometimes
it's not that the person is totally paid
off or totally corrupt or a CIA agent
or a change agent. Sometimes they just disagree
with you and they're not privy to the
experiences or the information that you've been privy
to.
Now sometimes,
they are change agents,
and they are CIA or intelligence, you know,
and discerning that is always
a struggle, but it's why I like to
to have conversations as much as possible with
people. Yeah. So, I mean, I put a
lot out there.
But, yeah, congratulations
on
your commitment to to being independent, coming to
your own, you know, conclusions on things, and
and really helping so many Americans
and people across the world
come to the truth in their own way.
So I appreciate you a lot. Well, thank
you and vice versa. I mean, it it
is interesting to think about,
excuse me, that, you know, that something like
being,
you know, nonpartisan, I think, is the best
easiest way to frame it as as being
the most radical. And I agree with you.
It's weird to see something like that, but
it's it's it's not that it is the
radical thing, but it's framed as being so
outside. You know, just people are so immersed
and so they their identities have become so
over, you know, wrapped up with the idea
of left and right that they see that
as just like it's just, you know, the
like speaking Chinese like an American, like something
completely foreign. Like, it doesn't even make sense
to them. And so it's so interesting, but
I I'm of the mind today that it
is a rapidly growing understanding, if not borderline,
if not over the majority line. I really
do think that Oh, wow. Peep people starting
to go, like, yeah. This just doesn't make
sense. And with peep people like you out
there and others in this field that are
just kind of hammering this home and asking
the the obvious questions. You know, I'm of
the mind that people are much smarter and
much, you know, you know, are are better
and want good things in the world more
than we are told. There's obviously bad people
out there. But I think clearly the majority,
and the point I would always make is
the government wouldn't pretend to be fighting for
liberty and freedom and democracy and, you know,
human rights if they didn't think we wanted
that. I think the majority of us do.
And so it's interesting that if you just
put the real thing out there, I'm of
the mind that most people who are just
discerning and some, you know, they have their
own faults and pitfalls, but they'll see something
basic and go, yeah. What Shannon said is
right. That's obvious. You know? And it's so
much momentum right now. So I'm glad we're
connecting to talk about all these things because
it's there's just so much going on. And
it is,
you know, it's borderline cartoonish today, and that's
why it's so hard. And it and it's
not that it's just, like,
objectively,
four year, test six year. You know, you
go back a decade. It was not this
wild. Like, the nuance versus the blatant lie.
I think we're in the blatant lie territory,
which is so interesting. So I'd like to
start with, you know, I I got a
a bunch of things lined up that we
could get into that are kind of current
or things are on my mind. But if
I was just gonna say right now what's,
like, the most pressing thing in your mind
that you think is, like, the I said,
what topic? What's the thing that jumps to
your mind? Let's talk about that. So what
is that?
I would say I'm I'm very concerned, and
I brought these concerns to my audience and
to my platform about,
eighteen months ago during the primary process within
the Republican Party.
You know, if we reelect the guy who
locked us down in the place, then I
can assure you, I can promise you that
we will be in another lockdown scenario again,
You know? And that was that was the
warning,
when when Bobby Kennedy junior joined the Trump
campaign, I said to the medical freedom movement,
the health freedom movement, if he joins this
campaign, especially
with president Donald Trump doubling, tripling, and quadrupling
down on the mRNA technology that was rolled
out within his presidency
and and and the shots, then then there
is a deal. There was a deal that
was made in the back rooms, and I
assure you, I promise you,
that Bobby Kennedy junior, once he gets into
this position, is not going to be able
to to push through any of the agenda
items that you think that he's going to
push through. And I think that we've seen
that now
play out in the
four months of this presidency
and in the couple months of RFK's position
at HHS.
So my concern today
is
the eminence of perhaps another lockdown scenario,
in this case, using
the chaos, the what I think is controlled
chaos. I think it is a controlled demolition,
LA riots and and the spillover riots in
other cities
combined with some type of
of false flag,
bioterrorist
events,
and with the military involvement
using that
to
precipitate
and justify
a full scale lockdown two point o that
I think would pale in comparison
to the original.
And that's what keeps me up at night.
Will they be able to pull this off?
That is the big question. Typically, if we
can get word out
enough
among all of our media
platforms and partnerships and we can we can
get out ahead of it,
very often we're able to to,
you know, quell the plans. Yeah. And because
because they you know, if people are on
to them, then they're not gonna lock down
in the same way that they did during
COVID.
Oh, sure. So swing back later, but they'll
postpone, which is exactly, you know, usually the
best we can hope for at the moment.
Right. Right. Exactly. And so that's the thing.
We're not stopping anything.
We're not
reversing and saying, okay. We are going to
I mean, we can't forget. A democide was
committed.
That's the mass murder of civilians by their
own governments. It was,
committed in 02/2021
and even in years beyond, and we can't
even get this government
or even our own people, RFK Junior and
Jay Bhattacharya, Marty Macquarie,
to even acknowledge that it happened
in the capacity
that they hold as government bureaucrats.
That's a huge
problem.
Mhmm. It's a huge problem. It is it
is gaslighting
on top of gaslighting. We didn't enjoy being
gaslit by the Biden administration, Anthony Fauci, and
Deborah Birx.
And now we're experiencing this tragically with our
own people.
So that's been painful.
You know, the the people who built this
movement and and proclaimed the truth and and
lost an enormous amount in order to tell
the truth about what's happening,
we're now in in a,
in a moment
of
of discord,
which some people don't like. I think it's
healthy. I'm not afraid of it.
And, you know, I'm just gonna push through
and do what I've always done, which is
try to analyze
each event,
in context of what has happened throughout history
and outside of the two party political paradigm.
And sometimes I know what's going on. I
can I can figure it out? Sometimes
it is it's dark. I don't know what
is happening, and, you know, that's the difficulty
of being an independent
content creator and presenter
in in the 20 century.
Yeah. Most definitely. And I I think it's
it's funny is actually the the thing that
I had lined up were were health related.
So we're we're and we're on the same
mindset here. But what what's interesting that you
note on, and I'm exactly one of my
biggest fears in this that we've been talking
about for a long time is the intersection
of these different agendas. And so
is the lockdown point and how clearly I
and, well, I I've sensed that you're insinuating,
like, the lock like, the immigration discussion and
that kind of thing that could be used
in the chaos to initiate a lockdown. But
as you included there, like, a biological element,
which is something that I've really been discussing
for a while about, you know, where that
will come together. And I I I think
we agree that if those things were to
come together in one event, it's just like
the it's like the, you know, goal it
it's exactly what's the best case scenario for
what the government wanna achieve. Right? So then
you've got the immigration point, you've got the
foreign invader point. You've got the biological point.
You know? And so it become this very
clear I mean, we're we're flirting right now
with some kind of martial law lockdown dynamic,
like, at the moment. And most republicans don't
even wanna acknowledge, which is wild, seeing as
how if it was Obama or Clinton or
anybody with the d, they would have been
screening
Marshall, like, revolution before it even started. You
know, it's just so frustrating to see. But
before we get to that, because we can't
and it clearly, as we're discussing, they will
intersect. Let's talk about the health side of
this. So before we even get into the
overlap of how it may apply to, you
know, that discussion we just had there, I
did have some some health points that I
wanted to go over that I thought might
be interesting that relate to like, let's just
say for sake of conversation whether there will
just be another, like, COVID two point o.
I I agree with you. I think that's
highly unlikely because, like we discussed, people are
very attuned to that. And so it's unusual
that it would just be that redundant, but
it's happened before. So I wanted to go
over a couple points that I thought were
relevant on that regard, and here was,
about the the vaccine schedule.
Jeff Rfk Jr said a a compliant child
must take between sixty nine and ninety two
vaccines to stay in school to some state
in some states,
and not one of them has been safety
tested. He said that, which we agree on.
And in a prelicensing placebo controlled trial, By
the way, multiple shots they've already now approved
also weren't done that way. So despite the
claim of no you know, all placebo was
already not true. But it says all the
people who are in charge of that are
now gone. But my point was, and yet
the vaccine schedule remains seemingly unchanged. You know?
Make sense of that for me. Like, I
wonder your thoughts on that. I mean, I
think we're aligned with this mindset, but I
just if you wanna comment on that, I
think it's interesting.
And here was my point.
I said yeah. I said today on my
show, I said with this guy, Bobby Kennedy
junior, it's it's one step forward, two steps
back. Mhmm.
And not even a step forward and three
steps back. It's it you know, and this
has been my criticism.
The mRNA technologies are still on the market.
They are still being recommended to children and
pregnant women because of
the clear as mud guidance now coming from
the CDC after the fan dance Kabuki theater
that we enjoyed last week
of removing it from the schedule.
It is still technically on the schedule. There
is a link that you can follow that
makes no sense whatsoever.
And this is why Wisconsin
is completely ignoring the recommendations and continuing
to recommend for pregnant women and children, and
multiple states will probably fall in that category
as well. It's because the leadership from RFK
is
wanting.
Now this,
you know, and I I said the same
thing. You know, there why
If you're going to get rid of 17,
members of ASAP that are engaging in malpractice
and recommend you know, recommending
these these terrible shots,
you might have wanted to get rid of
them before
they went through the process of
reapproving
not only the childhood schedule, but also
the mRNA.
So it is too
little too late.
Right? If you were even gonna give him
the benefit of the of the doubt on
this and say, well, okay. That's terrible.
I wonder about the timing
because it just screams PR to me. Yep.
It it screams
a a systematic
plan
to roll these things out to keep people,
you know, on the hook. Right? You know,
watching the dangling carrot in front of them
and waiting for something to happen.
Right?
But even if you were to give him
the benefit of the doubt, he says in
the statement that it's it's malpractice
to recommend childhood vaccines without the proper testing,
which I agree with.
As such, I would expect
these recommendations and mandates to be fully
terminated
before the start of the twenty twenty five,
twenty six school year and suspended
until proper testing is achieved. And even if
proper testing is achieved and you deem some
of them or all of them to be
safe,
regardless of the testing outcomes, it is imperative
that they move forward with recommending
that all mandates
for all children
and all humans
are prohibited
by not only the US government because the
idea, you know, we forget about the core
core component of the health freedom movement or
the medical freedom movement, and that is informed
consent and bodily autonomy.
The you know, all of the discussions about
the food and the air and the water
and fruit loops and Maha and all of
the things. Right? Distract us away from the
the very crucial crucial center point, which is
no government at any time for any reason
nor any corporation for any time at ever
any for any reason ever be able
to coerce or mandate or force a human
being
to accept
a medical treatment, a medical intervention,
or an injection into their body
against their will,
period.
Hear. Hear.
That discussion
never happens.
Right. And despite RFA saying most of that
before he was in this position to some
degree, and then that's that's the part that
I have the hardest time Right. Reconciling.
Right. Well and who is going to replace?
You know, interestingly,
that was part of a larger statement made
by Bobby Kennedy junior, which really irritated me.
You know, he said, yesterday, I retired 17
members. It's interesting that you brought this up
because this is, like, the in my show
prep today, and I didn't I didn't get
to it. Yeah. Well, this is great. So
I have this all, you know, written out
for you. But,
you know, he, you know, he made the
statement. He retired he retired
17 members of the advisory committee on immunization
practices, and there it's the governing body that,
wields the responsibility
of adding new vaccines to the recommended schedule.
And,
he said over the coming days, listen to
this part of the quote, I will use
this platform to announce
new members
to populate
ASAP.
None of these individuals, he said, will be
ideological
anti
vaxxers,
which
really stuck out to me as a member
of the informed consent community. I have been
on the vaccine issue for for almost my
entire career, eleven or twelve years,
and that immediately stuck out to me because
the word anti vaxxer is a slur that
has been used against people like myself, also
the medical freedom community that came out of
the lockdowns of twenty twenty for decades.
And so my question to him would be,
what what is an ideological
anti vaxxer,
Bobby Kennedy,
and why are you using that again?
Why are you using the tools of the
left and the tools of pharma and the
tools of previous administrations
like Fauci and Birx to denigrate
those of us who have simply advocated for
health freedom?
And why
why is it so horrifying?
Why on earth is it so horrifying if
there is a medical doctor or scientist or
someone with credentials
that opposes
mass vaccination campaigns to be on this panel?
Wouldn't you want multiple voices? Wouldn't it be
better if you want true discourse?
You want you want full transparency.
You want all ideas to come to the
table. Wouldn't you want half of the panel
to be in in support of mass vaccination
campaigns and maybe the other half of qualified
scientists to be in opposition,
then once you get the best information and
come out with the best,
protocols and recommendations
so
this statement in and of itself lies in
the face of what he said about
trusting the science, getting to the good science,
and radical transparency. And so it's what like,
again, once I in fact, you know what?
One step forward, five steps backwards is what
I would say Yeah. On on, you know,
this administration of Bobby Kennedy junior. And people
are very mad at me for saying this.
Riot It's the same point you're just making.
It's your it's your objective opinion. And the
fact that people get mad at you from
stating your opinion Yeah. Is ideological control. I
mean, at the end of it, you can
well, I disagree with you, but we can
have a conversation about it. No. It's that
you just you just violated our agreement. Like,
you know, what we keep seeing is this
lens for partisanship, and as we probably agree
on, it's not left or right. It's all
partisanship.
But right now, it's very it's it's whoever's
in the current power. Like, same during COVID
with the left, you could see it. But
right now, there's a lens it goes through.
It's either if it's bad for Trump, I
ignore it. If it's good for Trump, I
promote it. And it's very clear. And you
come out or same thing with RFK junior,
for example, in the Maha movement. If you
come out and say, you know, this what
he did was wrong. People say, you know,
you should just ignore it because you're hurting
our momentum. And even if that's correct, that's
still dishonest. You know what I mean? And
so it's wild to me. So let's talk
about RFK. I I I was muted for
a when I said raise my hand. I
said, but I agree with that, but the
point was with getting rid of those people.
I do agree with the idea of getting
rid of these people, but what's crazy is
if you're claiming they committed crimes, which is
essentially what you're saying, there's never accountability for
these things. They just kicked them to the
side. And and I'm glad you brought that
up because I wasn't even aware of that
secondary part of bringing them back in. It
just kills me that he's been the victim
of being called an anti vaxxer for making
Right. Valid points about and and yet he
goes around and does the same thing. So
all that being said,
what are your thoughts on that and where
into where he is? Because I am completely
open, if not, like,
sensing
well, let me say this I'm very adamant
about pointing out that what he has been
doing around the the medical and health field
before this point,
I I will support forever. I I don't
see everything he's been doing before that has
been solid and continual. And so it really
it was so confounding for me to see
this transition
around Israel as well, but this right now
because it's like, how do I make sense
of that? Was it all a ploy? I
find that hard to believe. So I'm very
open is where I was going with that
about that he could be manipulated, blackmailed. But
I'm never gonna assume that. And, really, it's
irrelevant if we're just addressing what's happening. So
I wonder your thoughts on that because it's
hard not to see this as a violation
of what we wanted from him and what
we hoped would happen. But it's certainly possible
that he's just tapping into the larger establishment.
He's a candidate. Give me your thought and
where you place him in all this.
I think after after observing and reporting on
politics,
for over a decade, I would have to
say that you always have to work into
the analysis
the potential
for blackmail,
for coercion.
Given
the amount of surveillance
that,
the advancements in technology,
the corrupt nature of Washington DC, both political
parties,
and
just the the proximity
to to power and also
vice.
What we have seen with the the Epstein
network,
Jeffrey
Epstein, the the relationship
between him and
and multiple
power players, both political parties, the work that
Whitney Webb has done
is extraordinary
in her reporting of the Epstein network, which
was really a financial money laundering network more
than anything, but was also engaged in the
the honeypot activities.
When we see what has happened with Andrew
Tate and the Tate brothers,
the diplomatic
protection
that has been provided to them by president
Trump, which blows
your mind.
Right? These guys
indicted, I wanna say, almost 60 victims,
three countries.
The indictments range from from child sex trafficking
to rape to,
formation of a gang,
money laundering, you name it.
Anyone who doesn't believe that people in position
of positions of power,
diplomats, bureaucrats,
judges,
politicians,
presidents, military cannot be
compromised
and that they wouldn't go to sophisticated
lengths
to compromise these type of people, I think,
is naive.
I think that that is a completely naive,
perspective,
and
and it is held by probably most of
our colleagues in the left and the right.
But I think that needs to change. Mhmm.
Whether that's happening with RFK, I don't know,
but I would not rule it out. You
know, the other part of that is that
you're never really privy to that. They don't
they don't open the books for us. Mhmm.
So speculating on that is difficult. I will
say from my perspective, I look at the
fruits. You will know them by their fruit.
And so I really don't worry a whole
lot about the why. I just look at
the the discernible policy outcome. What are the
statements that they are making?
Where are they where are they moving in
terms of policy? What are the words on
the bill? What are the words on the
pocket proclamation
or or the executive order? And that's really
how I try to judge
everything.
Because the the backstory is, you know, it's
a lot of poke and dagger. You just
don't know. I will say that the moment
that I was very concerned about RFK
was at the announcement
in Boston
in 02/2023.
It was the February.
I traveled to Boston to report on his
announcement of his presidency.
And it was in that announcement,
prior to I was there with,
hundreds of people from the old school. Right?
So the original gangsters
of the medical freedom movement. These are people
who have been on the front lines for
for decades.
And there was a gathering at a restaurant
of a a few 100. It was a
large room and, you know, the the announcement
was made. It was, essentially,
you know, he's gonna make his announcement tomorrow,
and I don't want we don't want anyone
to be disappointed,
as he's gonna move, you know, forward in
the next twelve months to gain the presidency,
he's gonna have to play the political game.
So,
you know, you guys wanna you might wanna
prepare yourselves. And so I don't think people
were thinking he would never say the word
vaccine ever again. I've never heard this before.
That's really interesting. Like, priming everybody to sorry.
Keep going. I just think that's Priming. There
was a priming. And then in the you
know, the next day in that auditorium, it
was really, really interesting. Because remember, I mean,
you're looking at Bobby Kennedy junior. There's a
body of work, decades long body of work
of him laying down just bold, bold truths
about the childhood schedule, about the flu shots,
about politics in general, the military industrial Complex,
the Medical Industrial Complex.
And so
to to even imagine at that time that
he would run for president and then become
head of HHS and completely
omit
from his talking points, from
his speeches,
from his platforms.
The word vaccine
Right. Would have blown your mind, but he
did. And in that speech, I will never
forget. I was in the room and it
was electric. You could tell. It was full
of medical freedom warriors.
And he began to deliver the speech. It
was about an hour and a half long.
It was it was unscripted,
and you could hear like, you talk about
chronic childhood disease, and he would he would
build up to a crescendo,
and you could just feel people waiting for
him to say the word vaccine
and just explode in applause. And
and people were waiting for it. It never
happens.
It never happened. And
Interesting.
That was my like, oh,
there might be a deal made there. And
then when he when, he made his concession
speech and ended his
bid for the presidency and all of a
sudden out of nowhere brought up the name
Cali Means is this guy who was, I
mean, I guess, the the best medical freedom
warrior out there. No one ever heard of
him.
In that concession speech when he,
announced that he'd be joining with the Trump
campaign, again, you saw an omission
of
of COVID.
Right. You know what I mean? Of of
the word vaccine.
So that was
you know, I reported this all to my
audience at the time. You know, after Boston,
I reported it. At the time of his
his alliance with Trump, I I said there's
a big problem here. There's a big problem.
Cali means brokered
this agreement. It is rumored
that Cali and RFK junior I don't even
think it's a rumor. I think this is
actually on the record in reporting,
met in a sweat tent
in Austin, Texas, some kind of metaphysical
health retreat
where some of the participants get high. I
don't think RK does because he's
because he's sober, but I don't know. I
think Cali means admitted to being on some
type of,
I don't know,
mushroom or something.
Health related. I mean, great. This is how
these yeah. I just I can't make it
up. But, you know, somehow that meeting happens.
They come together. Cali means brokers the deal.
This guy is a no name, but he
has the cell phone of the president of
the you know, the incoming president of The
United States and RFK.
And then the rumor is that RFK went
to Mar A Lago, spent three days, I
think, in Mar A Lago brokering this deal,
and we don't really know the nature of
the deal. But I said to my audience
at the time, like, this
that it's very clear to Mille me. The
the deal is you can't say the word
vaccine.
Like Right. And and you can't you know,
there are certain things that you're not gonna
be able to touch, especially in the campaign
process.
And then after you become, you know, head
of HHS,
you're gonna have shackles. There will be there
are rules, and you will abide by those
rules, and that is the only way that
you're gonna exist in HHS.
And, unfortunately,
I think that it is becoming clear that
those rules are gonna prohibit him from any
meaningful, in my opinion Yeah. I agree. Movement.
And so for me, I'm a rip the
Band Aid off fast kind of gal. I'm
like, okay. Guys, love him. He's great. He
did a lot of great things, but we
need to move on very quickly and become
loyal opposition to to this administration and sadly
to RFK Jr. But it's not personal. It's
business. Mhmm. Right? And we are in the
business. I'm in the business of liberty. I
have three kids. They need liberty, and I
just don't play. So Right. Right. Well and
as usual, when you call something like that
out,
you know, clearly, the facts are very obvious.
You were correct. At least, I mean, like,
let me come back to the point you
made about outcome and policy. I'm so glad
you brought that up. And that's the point
is the outcome we can see right now.
He's not doing what was promised for whatever
reason. But you calling that out in 2023,
2024,
clearly, that's at a point. But but I
guess the point is when you call out
the truth
ahead of the two party paradigm, everybody hates
you. You know? And you and you experienced
this. Right? And it's it's just and it's
so and regardless of whether you flush out
as being correct down the line, it's, you
know, it's almost like it's you're that far
ahead to the point to where nobody even
recognizes that you were saying that when the
time comes to pass. And but it's valuable
because you did reach people by doing that,
and you helped people, which is, I argue,
why we're really doing this. You know? So
just hat tip to you for doing that
and being ahead of the story.
But the outcome point is so interesting because
I'm really adamant about this, and it's it's
one of these things, again, like the like
I said about the two party illusion to
start. It seems like this would be just
basic common knowledge, but the idea that we
shouldn't be engaging with what they say they're
gonna do, what they say, you know, what
they promise, you know, what, you know, whatever
the different things are, the narrative. We should
be focusing only on what they've done so
far, the precedent, and then what is happening.
What is the outcome? And it's not to
say that we know that they chose not
to. Maybe they got stopped. Maybe the other
side stopped them. But at the end of
the day, it's just the government and the
outcome. And if we actually only engage with
those things, they can't really fool us the
way they're doing right now. But it's just
people just don't wanna get invested. They they
it's the identity politics of the left and
the right, the woke of the left and
the right that seems to drive everything. So
I'm just really glad you made that point
because it's I think it moves us all
to really stress that. Just focus on what
is the outcome. What are they doing, not
what they're saying? I think it's difficulty or
it's difficult in an era of,
of very sophisticated fear propaganda
Yeah. And, very sophisticated
psy ops because
so much of this
is dependent on very real and very profound
fear that has an impact on the human
psyche.
And so when you are in when you're
in a foxhole with someone
and
and you are very fearful and and you
are taught
to fear
the other party or
the other religious group or the other race
or the other culture, whatever that conditioning is,
then it leads you to imprint
on people who are then presented to you
as a hero.
And that imprint, I think, is psychologically
and even spiritually
very hard to break. Yeah. Because because people
then and I can't tell you how many
times I hear, well, I trust so and
so.
I trust this particular party. I'm like, no.
You have failed politics one zero one.
Now we're out of our lead
with the word I love that. I trust.
Right. Go do it. Right? Like, that is
that is an indication that
you have been propagandized.
Absolutely. And that you are being manipulated by
your own fear. And I would say really
quickly, even if they do even if they
can be trusted. Like, the fact that you're
choosing to try like, they could be played.
They could be lied to, and you're still
playing. You know? I love that you said
that. It's so important. And you don't know
how many layers are there. Right. And you
don't we don't have all
areas of information and all aspects. Right? We
all have our own experiences
and and the stories that we focus on.
And so,
you know, navigating this is is difficult.
But I would say, yeah, the the focusing
on
only the outcome has been absolutely critical for
me in my career, and it's been almost
like a safety net for me. Like, it
keeps me on the straight and narrow,
keeps me from falling out into different factions
or or different,
you know, because there's a lot of fear
out there. And it also helps me to
not be so afraid.
And and, you know,
there it's scary times. It's hard to not
be afraid, but you gotta battle that every
day. Well and I agree. And it's not
hyperbolic to say that. I mean, there's a
lot of very, very intent I mean, whether
it's just warfare or dramatic changes in what
we always thought were, like, foundational ideas. Like,
there's a lot of upheaval right now, and
it's very you know, it's it's I think
it's important that the people in our our
position don't, like yeah. Like, I'm sure I'll
make some comments of people in as we
go through some tabs today, but people that
are being hyperbolic and fear mongering about World
War three or revolution, you know, when those
things are very real and possible. I wouldn't
ever say that you shouldn't be concerned, but
to just name these things without ever really
you know, there's a there's a there's, like,
a fear factory in the independent media, mainstream
alternative media right now that just just grinds
away at keeping you on the edge of
your seat like it's a reality TV show.
You know? And it's very, very prominent. And
we'll we'll get to that in a But
you brought up Epstein. So I wanted to
I wanted to touch on this, which I
thought was interesting so we can kinda come
at two different things. We're talking about the
two party paradigm, you know, and the false
binary as they see it, and and this
Epstein overlap point is pretty interesting. So let's
talk about both. Right? So Elon Musk used
we've all everybody saw whether it was theater,
and feel free to comment on that because
I'm very skeptical about whatever just happened with
all that. But they had this little tiff,
you know, and it was very strange. But
I'm of the mind that they really a
lot of them in that inner circle really
don't like each other, but that's not what
it's about. Right? There's a larger
non binary kind of agenda in this government.
But he did say that Trump was on
the Epstein list, which I think, frankly, is
probably the case with all the evidence we
have, but I can't say I know for
sure. But with what's going on with the
administration and, like, Cash and Bongino that see
I mean, even their own team seems to
hate them right now. They're all ridiculous and,
you know, it's just so clear that there's
been a big videos. Yeah. Do you wanna
comment on that real quick before I go
further? Feel free because it's it's interesting. No.
No. Go ahead. You could like, you finish
and then I'll tell you Okay. Because it's
hilarious, though. I just think that that whole
thing with the two of them is just
it's comical. It's hard to watch. You know,
it's ridiculous.
Right. Right. But Elon says, you know, I
regret some of my posts about president Trump
last week. They went too far, is what
he says. You know, so they're trying to
patch it up, it seems. And I think
it's clearly being, like, drawn together because of,
like, the LA situation. Now they're like, high
five. We're on the same team again. That's
that's what I'm sensing. And Candace says, what
specifically do you regret? Do you regret telling
the lie that Trump is in the Epstein
files, or do you regret telling the truth
that is in the Epstein files? So, you
know, wherever you wanna take that, the Epstein
point, I think, is interesting, but I just
think all of that is part is interesting.
Go ahead. I mean,
oh gosh.
Like,
this thread with Trump and Epstein, Trump and
the Tates,
Trump and his proximity
to Your predators
and sexual abusers,
Trump and his statements,
Trump and his multiple wives, Trump and his
creepiness,
Trump, you know,
groping
young,
you know,
Miss America
pageant contenders. Well, I mean, Trump grabbing the
you know what in his discussion with Billy
Bush, Trump making disgusting comments about Megyn Kelly.
Like,
he has been a degenerate
since day
one. He has always been demeaning and and
likely,
in my opinion, abusive of women. There are
multiple cases,
that that he's been you know, or multiple
accusations
of various sorts of of, you know, sexual
advances or even abusive behavior
from
One thing really quickly is to put to
say to say these things is objective reality.
Like, you can still argue that he is
saving the country or that you think he's
a good guy or maybe he's changed or
half of those things are misrepresented. The point,
though, is to is to clearly point out
that there is a track record you can
read his books, but yet people will call
that Trump derangement syndrome because the partisan side
ignores things that are uncomfortable to what they
wanna achieve. So I just think, you know,
I just wanna point that out because this
is a, you know, nonpartisan
conversation and I argue both of us would
make just as many retatements about how ridiculous
Biden is. But I just it's funny
when they circle the wagons around the person
they like. Please continue. Well, yeah, they snuck
that out. They they
essentially
erase in the course of the four years
of the Trump presidency.
They were able to, through propaganda,
erase his history. Mhmm. Now I will say
you wanna go back, like, almost ten years.
You know, when he came down the escalator,
I was just on the radio at that
time, and I did a deep dive,
into Donald Trump and found all of this.
Right? I mean, it it it's it's not
a question.
And,
most concerning to me, which I brought to
my audience, I'll never forget it. And this
is actually what got me originally blackballed. I
was still kind of a conservative,
then I was on con I was on
conservative radio,
and
it was my initial.
I rejected Donald Trump from the very day.
Well, from my very round of research and
really never changed my tune throughout the past,
decade.
And it was,
the naming of Donald Trump, on the Lolita
Express. It was Jeffrey Epstein's private jet, NYSED,
guys. And then there are also,
many reports. I mean, Donald Trump was not
just an associate with Jeffrey Epstein.
Donald Trump, according to Jeffrey Epstein, Epstein, in
about, I know, hours and hours, maybe,
dozens of hours of audio recording that were
done, recently by
a an independent reporter. I forget what his
name is, but he was able to get
Jeffrey Epstein prior to him suiciding himself
in federal prison.
They were not associates.
They were, like,
best friends. They went out on dates with
each other.
Epstein knew very intimate details of Donald Trump's
life. It was a well
established fact fact that these guys were out
on the town. They were with
with very, very young women, and this is
this was just an established
fact. And I said to my audience at
the time,
this is a problem. And we just got
off years of Sean Hannity raging about Lolita
Express Mhmm. And Hillary Clinton and all object
you know, and and they use that. They
wielded that as a political weapon to go
after Hillary Clinton and the and the Clinton
administration.
But then, you know, the moment Trump came
onto the scene, they did not wanna talk
about the fact that not only was Bill
Clinton on the list,
on the the log, but Donald Trump was
also on the log as well multiple times.
I'm like, this is, you know, they can
drag this up. They can bring this up
again, and it was just so interesting that
Elon brought it up. You know? He said
and I wouldn't be surprised at all.
I I would not be nothing would surprise
me. These people in these positions of power
are, in my opinion, in order to even
get there, you have to be some version
of a narcissistic
sociopath.
You know, I like, they're just they don't
think like you and me. They aren't like
you and me. Most of us would never
go into politics because it would require you
to sacrifice your soul in order to do
so. But the, you know, the these power
structures attract people who
want power,
and they are quite comfortable
with cracking as many eggs as necessary in
order to get to power. So, again, why
people can't understand this, I don't understand, but
but it's it's the the fear campaigns and
the propaganda.
And then, I mean, to come full circle,
he has been covering up for and protecting
the Tate brothers and so has conservative media.
And so that was really the final nail
in my in the coffin for me. I'm
like, this guy, in real time,
has sent a a diplomatic
special envoy to the president, Richard Grenell,
to Munich
to strong-arm Romanian officials
on behalf of the Tate brothers so that
they could hop on a private jet, fly
back to The United States Of America,
They met on the tarmac
by not none other than Roger Stone who
reportedly had cigars for them at the time,
and then and then move in. I mean,
I think they they spent two weeks in
Florida, and then Ron DeSantis had his way
with them and chased them out, which was
glorious to watch. But so this president Trump
is notorious
for protecting pimps and pedophiles
and rapists and criminals. And so
it I I don't know what to tell
people. I mean, it's there's so much there.
It it takes a special amount of gaslighting
for people to just ignore the facts. But,
again,
we this part the the partisan nature of
politics today
really inhibits people from seeing it, which is
a shame. Yeah. Yeah. They they just blatantly
ignore facts on both sides of the paradigm.
You know? But the the the tape thing
is so interesting because I mean, I could
point to many people. I think, what is
it, Murder by Krayans or or Milk Bar
TV? So You know, they they and and
Milk Bar TV as well. They've been breaking
this stuff down for I mean, since the
moment it was really a a major focal
point and just I mean, this is what's
so wild to me and this is what
we're kind of addressing in a larger sense
is, you know, they'll these aren't like manipulative
videos. They're they're simply like
it's provable, undeniable documentation
of, like, you know,
or literal things that they they say on
Tucker, on Candace Owens, that they just literally
didn't do. Or that's the crazy part to
me is not only, you know, the Trump
aspect, but how you get these commentators who
just give them a platform who are supposed
to be journalists that are just lying about
what they're saying. Now Who are supposed to
be Christian
conservatives.
Right. These are Christ is king. Like, even
if you erased all of the charges,
which are
horrifying
of the Tate brothers,
even if you erase the charges,
they are self admitted
pimps and pornographers.
Right. And it
and good. Right. I mean, so that can't
you know, Candace Owens
will scream Christ is king at people.
I don't know. Anytime she's back in backed
in a corner,
yet multiple
times
throughout the past
eighteen to twenty four months, she has lied
for the Tate brothers. She has platformed the
Tate brothers. She has deceived her audience
about the nature of the crimes,
the,
you know, the severity of the crimes,
and she has done that as recently as
just a a couple months ago. Mhmm.
It's Wrap your mind around that.
It's it's confound it's confusing to me because
there's I mean, I I I obviously, she's
very partisan, but there's plenty of stuff that
she's doing in plenty of categories that I
think is pretty solid. So it's just going,
like, what is the point? Why would you
do that? Why would you knowingly like, she's
not stupid. She knows that there's video evidence
of exactly what they're claiming they're not doing.
Why? You know, it's just that's the same
point. I'm not gonna assume. I'm not gonna
guess. It could be any number of the
things we discussed around RFK. You know, there's
plenty of movable factors that could Right. Make
people act against their interest. We could even
go in a crazy direction as Catherine Austin
Fitz would discuss around, like, neuroweapons and things
that get you to, like, literally act against
your own intentions. I don't know. But I've
it's just so frustrating because you're right. It
is very clear. And it's interesting you bring
it up in this context because, you know,
like, we could point back to someone like
Charlie Manson and all the evidence to suggest
he was just an Epstein of his time,
you know, or or there's this disaster. About
that. Interesting. Oh, yeah. It's well, it's it's
a whole thing. It's a whole rabbit hole.
It's worth looking into. Like, the overlap of
the Hollywood scene, even the whole story we
know about with, you know, with
Sharon Tate. Sharon Tate, interestingly enough. I was
making sure I make a mistake there. Oh,
yeah. Right. Right. The Tate.
Any connection? I don't know. Yeah. You don't
know, actually. But, you know, the whole story
is interesting, and there's a lot of overlapping
alignment there. And I think that's what it
was. I think he was just, you know,
he had this harem of girls. He was
connected to the the you know, it's a
whole story. But wondering whether or not the
Tate aspect is just another part of that
today, it's hard to say. It's worth looking
into. But the point is about the cover
up from the highest levels of power and
what that really shows you about the power,
You know? And it's nonpartisan. It goes both
ways. You know? It's so interesting. But back
to the Elon point that you brought up
about Epstein because that the back from the
tweet, you know, it's we it's so it
it's either way, it shows you what a
lot of us have been trying to point
out. Right? That they're just being dishonest with
you. So if your point is that Elon,
whoever out there, Candace is the point she's
making there, if your point is that Elon
is lying about this because he's mad at
Trump, well, then they're being childish and petty,
and that's what they are. Or if your
point is they're finally telling you the truth,
and they've been lying to you the whole
time for their political agenda. No matter which
way you look at it, it shows you
the kind of thing that we're highlighting is
they will lie to you about anything to
achieve their ends, left and right. I think
that's important. Absolutely.
And didn't Elon didn't Elon Musk's
brother
what or someone was in Elon was involved
with the tapes through
one of his close relatives as well. So
Elon has a history with the tapes,
I believe.
I wanna know. Maybe it was no. No.
Maybe it was I can't remember. I'm not
gonna say it because I can't remember. Yeah.
No. I I don't know the the Internet
inter interconnection between you and the rest, but
my point is that there are the levels
of of power connected to those people is
just it doesn't make much sense. I mean,
they're wealthy, but Yeah. You know, it's not
as fake. I mean, the two dads fighting,
everyone's head exploded. I mean,
Khan Inc and Bazar Khan did not know
what to do with themselves for multiple days.
Because you have two idols. Right? Two political
idols right here.
And,
so I'm not surprised. It it had to
have been there had to have been some
kind of agenda for that. I don't know
what it was. But it was very bizarre,
very weird.
And, you know, Elon's weird too, like, with
the
with the bobbing and weaving.
Nah. It's just also weird. You know, somebody
threw out a really interesting possibility just for
the sake of conversation because it clearly is
not that far fetched with what's going on
in the world. But, you know, people are
saying, oh, he's on drugs, which is probably
the most, like, Occam's razor. It's as simple
as, you know, that he's just taking ketamine.
Right? But but somebody was, like you know,
the weird images of him, like, looking up
and with his eyes, it's really weird. Right?
And they said, what if what if he
already has Neuralink? And he's literally, like, going
through grok and, like, every, you know, mass
considering possibility. You know? It's like that's it's
I don't think that's not what I I
would assume, but that's
Nothing would surprise me. That's my other this
is my other rule about conspiracy theories. Right?
There are lots of them out there and,
like, some of them are wild, and I
try not to go down the rabbit hole
too often because you'll stick your head in
the oven after.
Right? But,
nothing would surprise me. Yeah. There is nothing
there there is no level of depravity
or weirdness
or evil
that would surprise me at this point
with with these leaders.
Yeah. I I think the point is, like,
my my general point saying question everything, but
the extra part of it is while considering
all possibilities. You know? Like you're saying, nothing
is out these these things like, what what
we just said there is in in a
very small step away from being exactly what
would make sense. You know? And even right
now, the idea that he might have already
done it, you know, it's like and I'm
not even saying that's what I think. It's
just an interesting time to consider how that
wild statement is, like, you know, that that
it's all very possible. They're doing all this
right now, you know, so just don't They
they can do it. Yeah. Yep. I mean,
they're they're all excited about it. They wanted
us to you know, they wanna nano bot
us and interface us with computers and Yeah.
Read our minds, Yuval Harari. I mean, screw
you. I don't want that. But they're I
mean, they're all very excited about this and,
you know, they're telling us that they can
do it, and they're telling us they're gonna
cure cancer and and, you know, pinpoint pandemics
before they even start. Well, how would you
do that? Well, it's by, you know, biological
data collection. Surveillance. Yeah. Real time. You know?
That's why I see it. These things. I
mean, that's terrifying too. That keeps me up
at night a little bit. You know? Yeah.
That's my big thing. The nanotech overlap, like,
the like, the thing that scares me, like,
the idea of what, like, how do you
even fight something like that? You know? And
that's and I've done long Jesus. I've done
that. I very I believe in Jesus.
So well, yeah. I mean, it's that that's
that's where it kinda takes you. It's just
like this is like so it's it might
as well be some, you know, it's just
so outside of the realm of possibility and,
like, the way we see the world, but
it's definitely coming in this direction. But before
so what's interesting is we we let's talk
about that and where it goes, AI Palantir.
But before that, let's talk about what seems
to be and even what we're just kind
of highlighting about, like, the fight. One of
the many things that people consider of why.
Like, what are they trying to pull your
attention away from? Well, the Palantir thing is
almost embarrassingly obvious, and you get the the
Joneses of the world. There's people, like, doing
this, like, tap dance, like, look over here.
Or, like, Palantir is a small company and
it's left that are pushing it. It's like,
wow. Like, it shows you how desperate it
is to try to not you know, people
don't they don't want people looking at this
from, like, a you know, the hierarchy enslaving
you they, like, the power structure, in my
opinion, because it's a nonpartisan
agenda to roll all this out. But my
point would be that there's a lot of
reasons they're trying to drive us there or
distract us from it. So let's talk about
the,
LA
overlap, which already is being pushed to use
Palantir, or they already are, in fact, for
surveillance, for immigrants. So it all kinda comes
together. But I feel like we should address
this topic today because it's such an interesting
kind of,
in in inflection point that's being used, and
there's a lot of different agendas that cross
through it. So I thought we could start
with this clip that I do think was
pretty interesting. This is Sam Tripoli on Joe
Rogan
In 2023,
basically laying out the the the process, basically
moving away from the woke ideology rolling into
immigration and then having the riots and stuff
take place today. Now it's not that hard
to see that coming. I mean, I feel
like myself, I made a similar point about,
you know, the woke as I've said even
recently with USAID, it's it's just I don't
believe that any of these people are, you
know, from the highest levels of power are
really caring about whether you use pronouns. It's
about an agenda.
Some people
absorbed it, but, really, it's a shoe in
the door for the regime change kind of
a thing. That's how I see the larger
point anyway. Or compliance test or what are
you willing to go along with? You know,
I think that they love to get us
to go along with the most absurd things
because that that is that is evidence of
of complete submission. When we turn our brains
off and we say, yes. Two plus two
does equal five. That's when they're like, okay.
We got them. They're ready to be suppressed
completely. You know? Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it
it's it's very clear that, you know, if
there's any number of different things that these
things can can achieve and, you know, just,
you know, awesome. One of them just getting
people to check out because it's just too
much. And so they're they're that's the best
case scenario. Eat their McDonald's, go to Walmart,
just sit back and not care about what's
going on. You know, that's that's what they
want. But so this this clip is interesting.
So somebody did a juxtaposition of the two
things.
Sam shared it of just him saying this,
and this one, I think, is better because
it shows the 2025 and happening. And so
this is him in 2023 again, laying this
out. Basically, Mel Kaye, who I who we
discussed. You know Mel Kaye. Right? She's, you
know what I wanted. She does good good
work. And and so her talking to him
about this, I just think the timing is
interesting.
We're in the Bolshevik war right now, bro.
And right now, what's coming up is the
all the pride stuff is gonna be okay.
So I had this woman come on my
podcast. Her name is Mel Kaye. She goes,
I've been talking to some people in the
intelligence, and they go, this gay pride stuff
is going away. And the next thing you're
gonna see are immigration riots. This is gonna
be right around the the next election. So
hand to God, we do this episode. Next
day, Starbucks is like, we're banning all the
pride stuff. And now you start seeing these
little they're putting little breadcrumbs out, man.
Little breadcrumbs. Oh, I saw this one thing
in Chicago.
Oh, yeah. Illegal immigrants are upset
about where they're staying, and these illegal immigrants
who speak no English are holding up perfectly
written English signs
saying we're tired of how we're being treated.
And now you're starting to see this over
and over. Eric, so everyone's always like when
when all these Republican governors are, like, sending
these these immigrants all over the country, everyone's
like, yeah. You're showing those Democrats, bro. They're
moving assets. I know it sounds crazy, but
that is 100
what is What do you mean they're moving
assets? What do you mean? Dude, these guys
coming into the country, bro, there's have you
seen them? A lot of them are Chinese,
and a lot of them are military Asian
people. And I'm telling you, they're moving, and
this is what's gonna be right around twenty
twenty four election,
immigration
riots, people going nuts. And it as as
listen to this, and you'll start seeing all
the little bread crumbs from I'm telling you,
that's who they want you to buy. You're
buying it. Oh, I thought I was moving
assets. Assets, bro. You're the puppet. They're moving
assets.
Military people? Dude, if you study the Bolshevik
war, it is happening in real time.
100%.
But I just wanted to get that out
to everybody because I'm trying to warn people.
This is what's next.
Ben. We're in the This guy right here.
I forget his name now. He's an actor.
You know, he's always the naysayer. He's always
like, I don't know about that. Like, this
guy.
But so it's Before they play role. They
do. They have roles. They play them.
Before we get into all of it, what's
interesting to me is so, basically, I don't
necessarily agree with everything he laid out there.
Like, I think what's clear like, the I
should to be to clarify, like, the idea,
like, military aid and Chinese like, all of
that is real to some degree. Like, the
but I don't know whether it is the
point that like,
I think it's a nonpartisan
effort to drive us in this direction, and
so I think it's very it behooves us
to not fall into, like, the partisan angles
of it that get you thinking the democrats
are doing this to the republicans because and
let let's talk about this. I don't want
to lurch into all my opinions but it's
very interesting to see that the the narratives
just don't make any sense right now about
why that they would be doing this. But
what is interesting is the in the the
very clear timing of moving away from
the Wogue direction,
and not in everywhere, but in, like, the
mainstream push and then having this come to
pass. And it does very clearly work for
where this agenda is going. Like, one step
you know, one, two, three kind of threw
Biden into Trump, rather Trump into Biden back
at Trump. You know? And so what give
me your thoughts on that and then the
the what's going on in LA and everything.
Yeah. Well, I mean, for me, my knee
jerk is
clearly,
staged.
Oh, yeah. Clearly and, you know, for me,
it was
very reminiscent, to be honest, of the j
six
rallies in Washington DC Right. Protest, what they
believe was a stolen election.
So you take a group of people who
are good, normal, pretty much law abiding American
citizens, and you rile them up about something,
and you you press the emotional buttons and
the fear buttons,
and they all congregate in Washington DC. Palantir
is there scooping up all their facial recognition
data.
You place a couple,
very strategically placed agent provocateurs,
people
like, Q the Shaman, if you remember the
guy with the weird head and the whatever,
ushering everyone into the capital. You had the
the Ray Epps character that was riling everyone
up.
And so you can really move, you can
herd a crowd into a dangerous situation
and a potentially violent situation by just using
a few strategically placed,
change agents or or,
intelligence agents.
And when you look at what is happening
in LA,
the imagery, the picture of the flag, it's
just all too perfect. To me, it seems
like
a a theater
production.
And so, you know, the good and that's
that is the front facing. That's the narrative.
The narrative is to do what? Well, to
build a control grid. Right? To justify
I mean, you combine
you combine violence in cities across America or
perceived violence in cities across America
with a potential,
bioterror
attack
Mhmm. That they have been talking about and
also simulating,
in the past couple of months on July
4, for example, which is the date of
the attack that they talk about that, 02/2025,
it with an economic meltdown or crisis. And
you put all of those things together, you
have a Tinderbox, and then this is the
perfect opportunity for them to solve a lot
of problems for government. Right? Mhmm. The biggest
being that the the, you know, 30
debt and deficit and the fact that the
currency is about to collapse, and they're gonna
run out of money. Right? So they're in
this process. I mean, all of this, I
think everything always comes back to money. It's
the economy stupid is what Bill Clinton said.
And I think a lot of times these
distraction
campaigns are designed
to
solidify their power and their control base, which
will solidify the money or whatever transition we're
making into a new global currency or a
digital currency or a digital control grid,
but also then,
give the rationale for full scale military suppression
or a military police state. Now I say
that that's, like, kind of the worst case
scenario. I you know, I had nightmares about
a military police state during the lockdowns of
COVID nineteen. I think all of us were
like, where is this going to go? Are
they gonna roll tanks down the street, rip
us from our homes, put us in a
gurney, and shove a needle in our arm?
Is that where this is gonna go? What
I learned through COVID is that
actually achieving this agenda is quite difficult. Right?
Three hundred and sixty five million Americans
all in various, you know, locations of the
country. It's very difficult for them
to and even with the most sophisticated
propaganda operation I ever saw, and that was
during COVID.
Right? They were not able to fully lock
us down. They wanted
to they wanted vaccine mandates so badly for
every American, and they tried, but they weren't
able
to
to actually achieve that. They always need some
level of compliance from from the population. We're
always gonna receive some level of compliance, but
if there is a a loud enough minority
Mhmm. And a well connected enough minority,
we have the ability to very easily put
them down.
Right? They can try these things. And what
I love about
the recent psyops, the crazier they get, the
more people are like, this is like a
freaking cartoon. Right. This is ridiculous. This is
like this is like the road runner and
the Tasmanian
devil wrestling off a cliff. Like, that's the
way I look at these the Democrats and
Republicans
and
and Elon and Trump. Like, it's not it's
almost and not to say that violence in
LA is is laughable. It's not.
Yeah. There's definitely violence. There's definitely there's also
real people protesting. You know? It it all
it all happens. And and quite frankly, a
lot of those real people are probably nice
people who just care about immigrants. I mean
Right. Like Or or more so care about
the fact that ICE is verifiably breaking the
law. And that's not to say that immigrants
that are illegally here shouldn't be deported. Like,
these things can exist in the same conversation.
Right. It's crazy. Right. Like, you could. We
could solve so many
so many problems in this country actually quite
easily. And I mentioned this on my show
yesterday. They're like, oh, well, what would you
do, Shannon? All the crime. And listen. I'm
like I appeal interestingly enough to a more
con I guess, Christian conservative kind of audience.
And, you know, we have been propagandized
with
the scary illegals and the gang cartels
and the I mean, it is relentless.
And those are big problems. Right? That it's
not okay that we are import importing terror
cells, terrorists,
terror groups, you know, cartels.
That's that's not okay at all. But, you
know, people are like, well, you shush. What
do you what do you do, Shannon? Like,
everything's gonna you're gonna have crime in your
neighborhood. I hope the terrorist comes to your
house. I'll get that sometimes. Right. And I'm
like, you know what? It's actually quite simple.
Like, you turn off the money.
You turn off the money. You give them
thirty days, and you say, hey. You know
what? We'll pay your plane ticket home. And
that's it. They everyone would most people would
self deport. Because the reality is that most
immigrants stay here because they get free school,
free health, free rent,
all of the benefits
from the federal and state governments through organizations
like Catholic charities and nongovernmental
organizations
and and all of these these orgs tethered
to the government. And so if you just
cut the money off, oh, that would also
have the added benefit of, you know, slashing
our budget in the federal government. Right? If
we're really concerned
with, you know, curbing spending. I mean, so
all of these things could be done. They
aren't being done because,
once again, the they have succeeded in dividing
this country so that we can't have conversations
where a Democrat or a liberal would say,
well, I'm worried about immigrants. And you could
say, okay. Well, we gotta figure out something
here because I'm sure you also have a
a fence around your house, a door to
your house, and curtains on your window. And
I'm sure you wouldn't want some illegal coming
in and camping out on your couch and
getting in your fridge and taking your stuff.
Like, there's gotta be some kind of private
property here,
you know, where
we don't just let them pour in and
get I mean, come on. That's that's insane.
It it comes back to the manufactured nature
of this where at what you're alluding to
there is that both sides are benefiting from
the ongoing problem. And so it's, like, there's
there's narratives about what needs to happen vice
versa. Like, that very clear moment in in,
I think it was, Biden's administration, or was
it yeah. It was it was and where
the Texas border
became that big focal point, right, with those
things in the water with the razor blades,
whatever weirdness that was, which is crazy. But
then
prominent conservative report where we're like, okay. Here's
this border with the with the they're all
up at the gate and it's locked and
there and they drove down to the next
stop and the gate was swinging open in
the wind. And you're going like so they
can't just walk down? Like, we're being played,
guys. That's not the thing about illegal immigration,
but they're creating these buzz stories
that it that, you know, to to to
manipulate people. You know? And so the crazy
thing is, clearly, there's a lot of factors
involved with the immigration point. Like, I think,
obviously,
the the main point is if someone is
here illegally, that's breaking the law. They should
be dealt with. That's that's the the bottom
line is there's already laws to deal with
this stuff. That's why I want to manufacture
all these narratives to be like, oh, it's
because they did this, therefore we don't we
can't do it that way. There's never an
argument for me that I'll agree with that's
we can't follow the you know, we can't
here's why the constitution doesn't apply right now.
The Republicans made the same point during COVID
and said there's no asterisk that says, except
when there's a pathogen. It's the same point.
You know, you've gotta follow what's real. But
the point is that, clearly, there's other acts
factors
like US foreign policy
that's literally using your tax dollars to destroy
entire civilizations that then people flee and then
seek for some and what's crazy to me
is you got the Republican side of this,
or both sides, really, still spinning this lie
that it's like they're only coming here for
a better life, and they wanna be here
because freedom and democracy. And then when they
actually try to do that in many cases,
there are people right now in this country
that are going through that process
legally
Right.
The a citizenship through legal channels, you know.
And but, yes, there's also criminals. But it's
it's just a crazy dynamic where it's being
you know, they want one side to think
that it is about only criminals. They want
the other side to think that they're only
arresting innocent people, whether illegal or not, should
be here. Most people in the middle who
are nonpartisan are aware of the fact I
shouldn't say they're all nonpartisan, but aware of
the fact that there's nuance to it. You
know, that there and and the the point
being that the government is using both those
narratives to achieve a lot of different ends.
And at least that's how I see it.
Yeah. Well and I remember, you know, I
advocated for my audience in remember the summer
of rage in 2020 when, like, we were
all locked down, but they could go and
burn cities and, like, protest for BLM. Remember
all that? So,
and, you know, we I remember just being
like, the the fear was really setting in
and, you know, we're thinking, like, this is
gonna spread, and it's gonna come, you know,
to every city in America.
And, you know, I was very concerned with
what they were gonna do in order
to to quell that.
And,
you know, I looked out my window, and
I I said to my audience at one
point, I'm like, listen.
Like, 99%
of The United States Of America is peaceful
and quiet,
and people go to bed at night and
they tuck their kids in and they are
safe, you know, things are okay.
There these are moments.
These are these are highly publicized
moments in cities
that are designed to make you think
that that the government needs to take some
type of extraordinary action and try to take
care of
it.
No. These are highly isolated, and we just
need to, like, keep calm,
carry on, and cling to our constitution.
And
get away with using our fear. 100. And
and I'll and I'll say too that even
if it was
the extreme situation that you think they're framing
it as, the answer is still not to
violate the constitution. You know? That's that's what's
so insane is the only guideline we have.
And I would even argue that I mean,
clearly, the government for a long time, both
sides of it, does not care about the
constitution, but they know that we do. And
so they have to constantly give lip service
to pretending to care about it, and that
illusion is being flirted with right now to
being brought
removed. Right? Like, right now. But what's crazy
is they they do are they are bound
by it to some degree, even if it's
just because they need us to think that.
So we that that's, like, the last tendril
of hope we have in a state of
society, different conversation, if that's what we wanna
live in. If we I my mind is
we could live in a world without government,
but since we're stuck here, the constitution
is is is important. You know? So it
just it's so it's so these are the
conversations we need to have about this stuff
because there's people out there that are are
interested, that would otherwise be interested in hearing
a nuanced argument, but they just don't know
where to find it right now because they're,
you know, algorithmically
jammed into the partisan, you know Totally. Commentators
out there. Yeah. I think there's a total
bottleneck there for sure. Absolutely.
I so I wanted to go to a
couple of the points I thought were interesting.
And and this is so, basically,
we've seen so the development of this is
being like, we both seem to agree that
this is being used to you know, whether
or not it's exactly the way it looks
to you or that the reality is that
it is still being used to achieve these
ends. And so the point we're making is
that the reality of them, like, for example,
deploying the military, which I don't know if
you the the the national guard, the military,
at this point, as far as I can
tell, it is a direct and provable violation
of the Policy Commitatus Act. And that's not
just because they're
deployed. But now what I found really interesting
is, where I had pulled up right here.
Where was that? I'm just jumping ahead a
little bit. Okay. Here we are. So this
is interesting
because
the air mail was a lawyer. He basically
just came out, and and this is directly
citing from US. This is from ICE posting
this. So ICE confirms they are using California
National Guard troops deputized over the over the
objection of Gavin Newsom, which I think is
a he's a monster, to support ICE operations.
And so my point is simple. So they
are enforcing the law as well as as
we all already knew, just some pretending otherwise.
Therefore, based on the exact the Posse Comitatus
Act, they're they be and because, interestingly enough,
they were deployed under federal authority because they
didn't haven't been want to, which is a
whole state's rights discussion, but Trump does it
anyway. And so the point is this is
a textbook example of a violation of the
Pussy Comitatus Act. And this is not debatable,
guys. This is all very, very clear, but
yet it'll still be ignored. And so we
you can touch on that if you'd like.
My point is the broader idea that there's
a lot that's being done through this that
is unconstitutional, that is illegal. And the only
argument you're getting is that it's about a
Mexican invasion, which interestingly then gives them the
excuse to argue it is an insurrection or
rebellion, which then rationalizes why this wouldn't matter
anymore. And I'll touch on that next. But
what are your thoughts on that?
Yeah. I think that there are probably multiple,
rationales
for
this being a violation of the constitution
or
an an overreach of executive authority
by the president. And, gosh, I wish that
we could have those kind of conversations
in in Mhmm. In the country.
I think
even outside of the the constitution,
I I think it's an ex a terrifying
expansion of power. Oh, yeah. And I think
that that coupled with the military parade,
the movement of all the tanks and all
of the I mean, it's just it's just
frightening. I think it frightens people, and it
should frighten people, and I hope that it
frightens people.
And,
yeah. I mean, in some ways
you know, listen.
The constitution is the law of the land.
It is our governing
document.
Right?
We are
absolutely
engaging at least politically
in a post constitutional
moment. Okay?
There is
no way either political party or this president
or Elon Musk, the co president, our co
dad in government,
okay, is
are are operating within the boundaries of the
constitution.
The the coup de doge, which I covered
on my show extensively,
involved Elon Musk walking in with technologists
and
basically siphoning off and sucking
up trillions of dollars, potentially,
in in
the most valuable data on the face of
the planet
and doing whatever they want with it. Okay?
So handing it to Peter Thiel over at
Palantir. I mean, we are looking at so
many
aspects of of a a rogue
cartel government, and this is why I really
appreciate the work of Catherine Austin Fitts
and and Whitney Webb.
I think that Catherine nails it.
I think we are dealing with
criminal
enterprises here. Mhmm. They're a cartel.
I think that Biden
is part of the criminal
cartel. I think that Trump is part of
the cartel.
I think most of the front facing people
that we see are
are actors
in a in a sense. They they don't
really wield the power,
but they do play a role. I think
they know what their role is. I would
even say that Elon Musk,
you know, and Catherine would call him an
operation,
not a a man. Right? Right. They're
you you don't run seven massive corporations,
tweet all day, and play video games all
day while having junkets in the Oval Office
and with, you know, Trump's cabinet
if you don't have a a team of
people pushing that messaging out. Right. So there's
a point
to the Elon. There's a point to the
Trump,
and
and it it's it's criminal in nature. So
grappling with that as an American is difficult,
but the the answer though is and you
mentioned something earlier. We should probably wrap it
up pretty soon because I don't wanna I
think I'm yeah. I'm I'm coming up with
a against the meeting. Mhmm. Absolutely. You mentioned,
you know, the thing that they don't wanna
do is to,
have people, like, tune out or or not,
you know, not play ball or be involved.
There there is a part of that, though,
that I think is incredibly
powerful
in
if we just turn off the Washington
the Washington DC show,
and we
retreated back into federalism
or localism. Even more important than federalism
would be localism. Right? The municipality,
local governments, your town, your village, your family,
your community, your civics organizations.
Right? And
and, basically,
just said to Washington DC, I mean, you
have no jurisdiction here.
So you can play your little games and
you can try to, you know, roll in
your military. Like, try to suppress The United
States Of America with your military. Like, I
mean, you can't do it.
There's no way. There's just absolutely no way.
And then when you see then when you
begin to see the actions of,
governors like Ron DeSantis
making gold and silver legal tender and beginning
the process of establishing a state sovereign bank,
And then, you know, starting the process of
real real estate reform, tax reform, where you
don't pay taxes on real estate anymore because
that's also a violation
of of constitutional principles.
And then you see that other governors, like
governor Abbott in Texas, is is mimicking this.
And you you begin to see the states
emancipate
Mhmm. Government.
And the more we emancipate from the federal
government, the money part is really important because
when you are able to have a sovereign
bank, which is also constitutional,
right, and I think you I think North
North Dakota has had a a sovereign,
bank for since '2 or since
1919
or nineteen o nine or something, whatever, like
hundred.
Then you realize that the only tether
that the federal government has on us is
through the money, the benny's. It's all the
money, the the largest coming. So we send
all of our money to Washington, DC. They
launder it. They steal it. They hand it
out to their people. Right? They use it
to enrich their partners, and then they give
us, like, some crumbs. Right. Back to the
states. That's what we got. Right?
When when we realize
that we don't have to go through that
money laundering process, like, they don't have anything
if we don't send it to them.
And then you have, you know, people operating
operating at the state level in self preservation
because at the end of the day, I
think people still want to survive.
We we want to, I don't know, like
like, fall
in love and get married and have children
and and pursue happiness and build a house,
plant a garden, have grand like, none of
that will ever change. That's that's the human
experience. That's five thousand years of human history.
That's never gonna change. There's always gonna be
an economy.
There are always gonna be relationships. The question
is, are we going to turn off their
ridiculous show? Right. Start getting to the work
of of building up, you know, our own
intro infrastructure from the bottom up.
That's the big part of all that of
of all of this.
And the, you know, the other part too
is I think it is much they like
to project project strength.
Their technology,
their tanks, and their guns and right? They
want to they want us disillusioned.
They want us depressed,
apathetic,
terrified,
and they do that through that that projection
of strength.
I don't think they're nearly as strong as
we think they are. I agree. And I
don't think they know what to do if
we really enough of us, not even a
majority, just a a loud minority
stand up and say, you know what? We're
just not buying this anymore. You're done. I
agree. You know? I really do. I mean,
I think that's such a, you know the
problem is so many people would dismiss that
as just impossible, not you know, without even
giving it the the real thought that it
deserves and understand that in any circumstance, like
taking a local point with police and engaging
with a a crowd, they have a number
in their mind. Maybe not the individual people,
but the people who are in charge, they
know we can't take more than this number.
And this is a very important point to
think about. And if we do if we
notice that's happening, we strategically pull back. And
that's why you see those moves where they
just let things continue to happen. The government
knows that. Whether it's continuity of government, you
know, large term play, they know if this
many people in this country resist, we can't
functionally do anything other than just come at
them with full force, which that would be,
you know, that's that's arguably, that's not in
their interest either. You know? We saw it
with COVID. Right. We saw it with COVID.
The only country in the world that had
we probably had 35, maybe even forty five
percent or not forty
of the of this country
refused the COVID vaccine
to great detriment. Right?
That's, like, extraordinary.
And they were not there's that was a
major problem for them. I agree. But it's
it it will continue to be a major
problem for that for them. So we can
see it working in real time. We just
have to expand on it. 100%. Move it
together. Yes. Well, since you have to go
soon, I was gonna just play one more
clip Yeah. That and you have time for
that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think so
cup two points to end with, I think,
are interesting. And then we should definitely connect
again. I think there's plenty more we could
get into. There's plenty never an end of
stuff to talk about. I agree. I agree.
Oh, I have to have you on my
show. So now you have to reset we
gotta do the reciprocal, and then you have
on my show because Count on it. Conversation.
I'm looking forward to it. I knew I
was gonna like you.
What's weird, we start the show, and we're,
like, already on the same page with where
we're going with the stuff. So there's something
there. But so this I tweeted this today.
And then this was just another article, in
Texas. You mentioned governor Abbott is already saying
he's gonna deploy the National Guard because there's
a protest that's scheduled.
And I'm like, okay. This is see, this
is and this is not new, really. We've
seen this kind of thing happen before, but
I just wanna point out, deploying military before
a planned protest, not due to violence, but
simply to claim that it could happen. We're
and I this is my opinion anyway. We're
being destroyed by fake America First Sinist. I
think that's a really large part of this.
And so the I wanna play this clip
of Trump. You mentioned the military parade. Here's
what Trump just said. Very short clip. You
probably saw it. I think this is alarming
that this is where we are. Not not
if they do this, but just a stated
fact, if they protest. Yeah. Big on Saturday.
We're gonna have a lot of and if
there's any protest that wants to come out,
they will be met with very big force.
Okay. That's not okay. Wanna protest.
He said pre met with very big force.
And I haven't even heard about a protest,
but, you know, this is, people that hate
our country.
Let's go, Ryan. Let's go protest.
He says it three times in a row.
And I'm just like, okay. There's no nuance
there. Like, he's saying if they protest, they'll
be met with force. And they, like so
everyone that might protest automatically hates the country?
Like, guys, these are, like, inherently anti American
sentiments that he's pushing out. And it's just
so important that we acknowledge these things and
back to the larger point about what's happening
with all this and as both of us
discuss how it's being used. Go ahead.
No. No. We have to resist that,
and and we might have to go
protest. I mean, we might have to go
and stand up and peacefully,
regardless of our opinions about immigration
or ICE or any of those things, because
what governor Abbott said is is horrifying.
It is blatantly unconstitutional.
We have the right
to speech.
Right? Right. So we have the right to
read to free speech. That means assembly.
We have the right to assemble,
period. And if we wanna go and protest
president Trump's little military parade,
then we should be able to do so.
And in fact, I think we probably
we are probably compelled to do so. That's
outrageous.
It is. That's outrageous.
And it's just alarming how many people will,
like, know that and agree with us, but
fail to call it out because of who's
saying it. And that's what the you know,
one of the driving points today is, you
know, it's about principles. It's about what you
believe is right. And you know as well
as I out there listening that what you're
seeing in many ways is making you uncomfortable.
And, obviously, if it was Biden, you'd already
be yelling about it. Well, they'd lose their
minds. They'd lose
their
Alex Jones,
his face would be so red, and his
gains would be popping out of his neck.
Bongino too. Like, all they would go
absolutely
batshit crazy.
Right. Well, I mean, since you work I
mean, crazy. Since you point that out, just
to to end, I think this is one
of the things that I oh, only show
this since I mentioned it as well. Catherine
shared this simply highlighting that these these protests
are being funded by groups. I just I
just warn us to think that it's a
left right paradigm thing, whether it's left groups
or not. I think what's happening doesn't what
I was gonna say is how you explain
to me that what the argument from the
right is is the left wants immigrants to
be here, yet they manufacture chaos that drives
the outcome of not letting immigrants be here.
Like, it just these things don't make sense
to me, but they are being orchestrated. We
both agree on that. I just think it's
important that we remember that it's, know, a
two party illusion dynamic. But, I want I'll
show you this video before we leave, and
I wanted to highlight things like this. You
know, Alex saying the democrat finance controlled insurrection
is now spreading nationwide. Oh my gosh. And
insurrection being used, in my opinion, because that's
what gives the government the justification to not
have to worry about Pasi Kamitatas.
And then this one about Mexico. Oh, I'll
we I gotta I know you gotta go.
So I'll play this one on the way
out just so I think it's important. As
at this as James says, seeing is no
longer believing. Head Head on a swivel, y'all.
Things are about to get wild. And I
can play this on the way out, or
you wanna would you like me to play
it every week? I can give you a
couple. I need a couple more minutes. I
mean yeah. That's okay. This will be the
last one. And it's, let's see.
Oh, did I forget to grab it? Here,
let's see. It's what what it is, basically,
is it's a video of, of just somebody
showing the capabilities,
not to say that she necessarily you know,
this is what's happening at these places, but
simply showing that the capabilities of these platforms
today to basically, you know, do
not necessarily deep fakes, but I guess that
is what it would be called, false video
of what you're seeing. And so this is
just something to keep in mind
with all that's going on and how you're
being driven to hate a certain side. Here
here's a video that I think is compelling
that James Lee shared. Okay.
I live in LA, so I decided to
go downtown today and talk to people and
find out what's really going on, what's their
side of the story to only get attacked
and realize that they're all full of shit.
Okay? Can't believe any of them. They're all
full of shit.
Did you catch that? It's a it's a
it's a it's a a or what do
they call it? A a filter you put
over on TikTok or whatever else that makes
it look like you're beat up. You know?
It's Oh, no way.
Yep. And these are everywhere. You know? People
are using this now. My point is always
is you'll always get people just to watch
the world burn. They wanna come out and
just throw something in that makes people upset.
But there's also very clear intelligence and political
agendas. I just think that's important to consider.
It you know, every discernment, wisdom,
sobriety,
I think, is is gonna be critical moving
forward because there is just so much deception
out there. That is that is wild. And
I'll tell you, Alex Jones is an utter
tragedy.
A a tragedy,
I can't, like I don't know how anyone
can take him serious. I mean, well, I
mean, he's clearly he's clearly
a propagandist.
I mean, in in every sense of the
word. I agree. At the very least. No.
I agree completely. I just think that it's
it's agreeing with you. There's a 100 examples
over the process of a week that show
you dishonest tactics or just flat out incorrect
information. And, you know, it's I'm not it's
not about hating somebody. It's about showing people
that you're being deceived. And whether he knows
it or not, which I find almost impossible
if he doesn't, you know, there's a lot
of people like that out there. So the
message is just question everything. Right? You don't
fall into these ideological bubbles because they're using
you. You know? Right. Yeah. And, you know,
we can make it we probably give a
million examples of Democrats doing this too. Exactly.
For me, it's it's the people in power.
See, I follow
the powerful.
And so when the Democrats are in power,
I'm gonna scrutinize them.
When the Republicans are in power, I'm gonna
scrutinize them. We're in dangerous times, and so
I'm I'm glad that you and I made
this, connection. I so appreciate your work.
I really
need if if there's a wavelength, we're both
on it for sure. Like Wavelength. It's, you
know, it's very rare that you meet someone
you're like you know?
But but I really appreciate you having me
on, and I just cannot wait to introduce
you to my audience as well because this
has been a long time coming, I think.
And so
here's to to hopefully a a lot of
future years in collaboration. We have a lot
of work
to do for sure. Yes. Here. Here. Thank
you. And I'm looking forward to it as
well. I'm sure you know, I I think
that there's like we were saying earlier that,
you know, there's an effort out there to
stop certain people from collaborating, in my opinion.
Call me a conspiracy theorist. Plenty do. I
think it's interesting that there's a reason, you
know, you can see why. When people, especially
with audiences and and you overlap that, like,
you gain momentum with these things. And I
think the system, more than ever, that we
saw right before the selection of of 2024
and 2025, that people were just, you know,
were going, you know, question the two party
illusion. Maybe don't maybe vote for vote for
don't vote or vote somebody. And people lost
their minds when we've been saying that for
years. The system is is desperate. It is
vulnerable right now. And I I don't mean
a collapse the country sense. I mean, the
sense of the power structures trying to control
you. And there's a it's a time right
now, as you say, for for real change.
And I think that we do have let's
put it this way. We do have a
lot of work to do. I'm looking forward
to it. Absolutely. Thank you so thank you
so much. Appreciate you. Yeah. And as always,
everybody out there, thank you for joining. Question
everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.