We're gonna be discussing the idea of the
false binary.
What an illusion of choice does, it establishes
the baseline assumptions that nobody
questions. This is part of the fifth generation
warfare that we've talked about, voting for the
lesser of two evils. Definitely an emotional, psychological
trap that people are in. You're cheerleading for
an insane ideology
because you think you're winning. The role we
have is media. How do we help everybody
understand this is theater, and you need to
get back into the real world? If you're
opposed to get ginned, you should oppose it
regardless of who's selling it to you.
Friday, 06/06/2025.
Welcome to the Independent Media Alliance. We're here
to discuss Palantir. Obviously,
not even much more is needed to explain
what that conversation regard is regarding today, seeing
as how it's
everywhere. In a very interesting way, it seems
to have consumed even the corporate media conversation,
and so we thought it was very relevant
to have this panel to discuss,
you know, the from start to finish, you
know, where this came from, what it's about,
how it built into what it is now,
where it seems to be going, and a
lot of other kind of
identity politics around it all. So I thought
it'd be interesting to start with, of course,
the briefly discuss the interesting kind of feud
between the two, not because of the,
you know, the entertainment of it all, but
because of how interesting the timing is between
Elon Musk and Donald Trump and how that
might relate to the Palantir point. And so
I've I've I'll go ahead and just start
with my point that I think it's interesting,
the timing of how this feud played out.
I personally think that it seems very like,
there are elements that seem to be some
kind of a personality clash. I thought that
was obvious with their egos, but I'm not
really buying. It feels some of it feels
a little bit staged, and I'm just wondering
if that might be done to pull away
from the very clear awareness from all sides,
including the corporate media, which I don't take
at face value, of the Palantir database. So
just whoever wants to jump in, what are
your thoughts on that?
I'll just share real quick.
It's been interesting the last week because I
I noticed, you know, right away the spike
in,
discussion around Palantir
and, you know, on Twitter and everywhere else.
And I was like, okay. What's going on?
And found the New York Times story,
which, by the way, I think myself, Whitney,
and others here reported essentially everything that's in
there other than them claiming
according to some anonymous sources this is going
on. I know I did videos when Trump
fast, did that first executive order that they
were discussing,
which is kind of removing some barriers between
different agencies.
But it so it's been interesting to kinda,
yeah, watch that play out, not only as
you said, Ryan, in the mainstream, but then
seeing
the way MAGA is treating it. And I'm
sure we're gonna get more into this, but,
you know, just off the top of my
head, the ones I'm sure you guys have
all heard that we already have surveillance. This
is no big deal. What are you guys
tripping about? Like, it's not any different. So
whatever. You know? Or the, of course, Q
and other hope you crowd.
This is actually to surveil the deep state.
They're not gonna be spying on regular people.
They're gonna use Palantir to suss out which
of the deep state agents are involved in
these crimes. Yes. There are articles
and substacks and things of that sort and
Twitter threads all claiming that. So, yeah, it's
been interesting to watch this. Of course, I
think in general, the fact that everybody's talking
about Palantir,
probably a good thing. And, of course, you
know, there's a lot more angles. But, yeah,
that's been my initial thoughts this first week
or so that everyone's
finally waking up to it.
And then the feud.
And if I may, Jason, I know you're
the one who usually calls, like, the MMA
fights and stuff like that, but I feel
like what's happening
right now
deserves
more of a a classic,
you know,
late nineties, early '2 thousands, WWE
style promo.
And for what's really going on, I feel
like it's more of like a Sunday, Sunday,
Sunday.
Elon Musk versus Donald Trump
in the scores
circle. You know? And then all of the
sudden, they're gonna wind up being tag team
partners in, like, three weeks.
Again, like, they're gonna have the dramatic falling
out, and somebody's gonna get flipped over a
table like Vince McMahon did, you know, back
when Donald Trump flipped him over a table.
Maybe someone ritualistically
shaved
head. Maybe we get the full cartoon out
of it. But what this looks like to
me at the moment when the only company
that Elon Musk owns that isn't fully subsidized
by US tax papers through federal government contracts
in Tesla was tanking,
all of the sudden, now he's mad at
Donald Trump. And like clockwork,
liberals are like, oh, well, Elon's mad at
Donald Trump. I guess we like him again.
We'll go ahead and buy Tesla. And, I
mean, it's just
it it is
predictability
to the point of laughability
except for it's actually happening
in the world that we live in.
And I'm in the North Bay
in California,
in Marin County,
where, like, we've driven by Elon Musk protests
and the big Tesla dealership right up the
road,
and it's been
cartoonish
the entire time. So to watch the fallout
play out this way,
as scripted as I believe it is,
it is still it's got high entertainment value.
So let me jump in here really quick
on it because, you know,
for me,
I I do wonder how much of this
even if it is real, does it matter?
Are any of his defense contracts going away?
Is the boring company not gonna be building
underground bases?
Obviously, there was a little bit of,
tossing around in the media about NASA and
SpaceX and SpaceX leaving NASA. It can't leave
NASA. That's not a real thing. That's like
imagination land times a thousand.
I did hear something interesting today that just
did come to mind literally an hour ago.
Roger Stone was on Infowars,
and he was talking about the big beautiful
bill and the part of the Golden Dome
initiative inside of it. And I've been doing
videos on this even before the bill that
this is essentially, to me, is a software
and hardware
update of the capabilities that were put out
there in the eighties and nineties.
And I even went back to Edward Teller,
who's huge
in UFO lore,
who was the head of this program, and
he was given press conferences
and and baselining
what reality was versus fiction there. And, of
course, you can take that with a grain
of salt.
But
I do believe that that is
actually happening. Like, that's a big push. I
think they're doing that no matter what bill
passes.
I don't know whether that's
really a contention with Musk or he feels
like he's getting cut out.
You have to realize Starlink right now
is an extension of that program. It is
the commercial program. The defense department has a
backdoor into it. And when they launch those
satellites, which, again, the highest concentration right now,
of the dishes is still in Ukraine
because it's not just communication systems. It's directly
into those AI drones
that I'm sure we're gonna be discussing that
Andral,
Palantir are so fond of,
and that's a big part of it. But
you also have to realize that DARPA has
been putting up their blackjack network through Musk.
Again,
NASA,
SpaceX, that's just another rebrand. They're not going
anywhere.
So I think it is a personality clash.
I've always questioned
how much Musk is really running these companies
in the first place. And even with Tesla,
yes, you have that
car part, but we have to also realize
that they're,
the autonomous robot company as well.
They're the ones that are bringing in the
humanoid
Optimus bot. So I I think a lot
of this is smoke and mirrors. You know,
Derek just mentioned that Palantir
was getting some main stain play and pushback
from the new conservative
alt media,
which I think is a good thing.
But I don't think people understand the extent
to which they're already involved.
Right? So that I I I hope that
we could talk about that mostly, like, where
they all already are at and all these
other companies.
And, basically, I don't even know that they're
vying for
supremacy.
I think that they're vying for their spot
as the next Raytheon, Lockheed Martin,
in that circle, but that's my opinion.
Oh, well, don't sense Jason Baster's joining. Oh,
he's gonna jump in right there. I was
gonna say next.
Nice to have you on for the first
time on the panels, brother. So go ahead
and jump in. Thank you, man. Yeah. Nice
to be with you guys. A bunch of
legends in here. Yeah. I was just gonna
point out briefly that don't forget Trump and
Elon were kind of at odds with each
other even before the bromance began. Like, I
remember Trump said something like, Musk is a
bullshit artist.
Musk said that Trump is too old to
run. So I don't know if they've really
even had
this, the connection to begin with. Maybe this
was all just the smoke and mirrors. Maybe
this is all just the optics and the
facade. You know? And,
yeah, Palantir, obviously, as Derek pointed out, we
mentioned here already, like, was blowing up. I
mean, I I've gotten more traction on just
the past few days on my Twitter account
than I have in a couple months talking
about Palantir.
And, I noticed as well that the right
yeah. They were questioning it. Like, they they
thought it was fake news coming from the
New York Times, rightfully so. But it just
goes to show how far behind they are,
the ball, when it comes to Palantir and
these topics and
the technocracy and everything that's kind of going
hand in hand with AI and this infrastructure
being built behind the scenes.
And if it was a distraction, this whole
Elon Trump thing, it'd certainly be good timing
because the right is kind of clueless to
all this. So, like, when would there be
a better time to, you know, throw this
out there? And, maybe, yeah, the bromance is
over because the theatrics and the show of
the election's over, and they had to kind
of break it off anyway and go their
separate separate routes. And I know, Derek pointed
out, my my rebuttal tweet on,
Elon's
bombshell post there, which basically was like, this
is you know, the only path that you
have left, Elon, is to go towards volunteerism.
And not necessarily because I thought he was
going to do that, but it was more
just a plug for the ideology itself.
But, yeah, all this to me, it it
definitely seems suspicious, and it seems like perfect
timing to really cover up the the conversation
that seemed to be formulating about Palantir.
Well, if anybody else wants to comment on
it, we don't know how to you know,
if I think a lot of that's been
addressed, but if you want us to jump
in, Kid or or Charlie, go ahead. I'll
I'll just add that I think that I
think both are possible. You know? I they
can I agree with what you said there,
Jason? I don't think I mean, let's not
forget it. Most of his inner circle
right before they got inside the inner circle
were, like, Trump's an idiot. He's a grifter.
You know? All of them, including, you know,
JD Vance and, you know, and everybody, Elon
Musk. And so maybe they never really liked
each other. You know, maybe they always hate
each other, but they also work together. So
I'm of the mind that there's a larger
one government agenda.
And so it's hard not to see some
of this ego kind of split being real,
but it also could be you know, both
can be true is the point. And I
think that's what we can tell. You know,
you didn't mention one important name that I
think is, like, the name we need to
mention, Peter Thiel. You know, talk about leaving.
You know, Peter Thiel was his technology
adviser
in the first administration.
Then when it was very clear
that there was massive corruption in the twenty
twenty election. You'd already seen Thiel distancing himself,
but he totally and completely abandoned him at
that point. And you didn't really hear much
from the Thiel crowd, I would say, until
about eighteen months before the election, I think
when they realized, hey.
Maybe he's not going to jail. Maybe he's
gonna beat these things. Maybe we get him
on board. Then all of a sudden, Vance
comes into the picture. That is Peter Thiel,
Palantir one zero one.
And then,
I mean, you really saw they say it's
Barron Trump. Barron said, you know, podcast and
pop. That's what you need to do.
I question that. You know? I'm not saying
that his kid's not smart and that wasn't
brought in and maybe pushed him into it,
but that very, very much
looked like a concerted effort
by,
I would say, the new the new technocrats,
if you will, to push him in that
arena. I mean, when you saw feel alone
on Joe Rogan just before the old Trump
star, and they're talking Epstein, which is another,
obviously, huge part
of this thing that we're talking about right
now, I knew something was up. And I
I kind of already realized
that, you know, Trump on this podcast tour
was going to end at Rogan, and lo
and behold,
that's exactly what happened. And what was that
what was that a predecessor,
by? Elon Musk on there as well. So
I I think it's almost impossible, right, not
to talk about these things. I think there
are personality and power clashes. You know, another
big thing happening right now is that Theo
is about to meet with, his, quote, unquote,
left wing counterpart, Eric Schmidt, and now Jen
Stoltenberg, who is a steering member on Bilderberg
in Sweden next,
next week. You know? And that's not being
talked about by any of the alt media.
There's literally not one mainstream
story on the upcoming meeting.
God bless Charlie Skelton, Dan Dix, and others
that are going out to cover it because
this year is really important.
Well, I Yeah. I'll just add one more
thing related. No worries.
I just wanna add one thing to the
just to the whole few thing before we
kinda move full on to Palantir and Peter
Thiel,
that
just to for those who out there, you
know, my personal belief, I think maybe most
of us, but I know we have different
opinions is that Trump has been an op
from the beginning. That's my long time belief
for any potential positive. And I think that's
been born out over time, like him being
brought in to be a disruptor,
because of, you know, all these relationships and
and things that they may have on him.
But for those who don't have that view
in the audience and who are more inclined
to think Trump is
good or good to some degree, things of
that sort of thing, and and believe that
it's the deep state even in the form
of Elon Musk working against him. I saw
a theory out there that I think is
worth at least throwing, you know, putting into
people's consciousness and the idea that
even if Trump was fully Musk and, you
know, the technocrats and, you know, the people
really pulling the strings, or even if there
was some kind of differences, I do think
what Jason said is accurate that it's not
whether they get along or not doesn't necessarily
mean that they fully agree on everything. I
tend to tell people the ruling class is
going to agree with each other,
over the people every day of the week.
That doesn't mean they get along every day
and don't have their own disagreements. But when
it comes to the people or them, they're
gonna choose to work together and collaborate. And
so with that in mind, if you do
have this mindset that Trump was
trying to fight the deep state, one viewpoint
is that Musk and maybe teal and others
who we know have a relationship,
going back to the PayPal mafia, and as
Jason mentioned, deal with JD Vance. We all
know he funded JD Vance's senate run,
and he Peter Thiel did in the end
come out last year and say that he
supported Trump and,
and Vance. He wasn't gonna give money, but
he did indirectly give money in other ways.
But, nevertheless,
if you took that view, it could be
possible that they helped Trump get in there,
got all their minions in place because as
I've reported, Doge is full of Palantir and
Peter Thiel acolytes as is Trump's administration from
Vance on down to many other powerful people,
and, then
stage
or have a real breakup and break things
off from Trump. And at that point, maybe
they don't care because they've already got all
their guys and all their pieces in place.
Right? So that's a charitable view, I think,
for the Trump folks. I don't really, again,
see Trump as a hero defending, you know,
the American people against the deep state. But
either way, it could be that there's some
element of that, that they've got everything done.
The whole thing could just be a distraction
to distract us as Jason Baster was saying
that, you know, last week, everybody's talking about
Palantir, and now it's about this. And is
Trump in the Epstein files? And, I mean,
that's a whole another thing. Right? But it's
the trending thing of the week. And my
belief and I think most of us here,
we understand the way that the role that
the algorithm plays. There's always gonna be some
thing for us to be outraged
every week or to be trending and for
us to be talking about, and we're playing
right into it in many ways. It's important
to dissect them, but I do think the
bigger picture is Palantir and the role that
they're playing.
Absolutely. And I I think the whole point
of that being discussed is because it's hard
to decouple these things. And I think, you
know, whether it's just the, you know, the
kind of theater of it all and whether
that relates to the story or, you know,
the
the involvement of both of them in this
large idea. And so to my point was
that if you saw
the the story coming out, in which we
all know that Elon was, at least as
now more so framed, was the, like, main
reason that Thiel was involved with the administration.
And you start to wonder if he's just
kinda being framed as the scapegoat for why
this all happened, even Palantir, even the database,
yeah, everything, Doge, investigations.
You know, I think some people would take
that bait. And so I thought it was
worth just kind of tossing that around to
consider how that might play a factor. And
so let's let's talk about in general, you
know oh, and then I will I'll just
show this too for since you guys mentioned
it. This this was the statement that kind
of did add a little bit of, like,
that's hard to pretend like this would be
stated if it wasn't you know, basically, Elon
Musk just says time to drop the big
bomb and says that Trump's in the Epstein
files, which is what we're referring to. So
it's hard to
to see that as a play, but I
do think they're in our desperate position. I
think the Palantir discussion is really uncomfortable for
the entire, you know, government, partisanship aside. So,
let's start with a discussion of Palantir itself.
If anybody wants to start, I mean, Derek,
you're a good one to go to in
regard to kind of the background. If you
wanna
just talk about what Palantir is and where
it should come from. A couple of things.
Well, I'd like to talk about the total
information awareness kind of overlap and where it
got to today. So anybody wants to jump
in, but go ahead, Derek. You can start.
Should we have everybody introduce themselves too as
well? I saw some comments asking who different
faces are because I know we've got couple
new people. Sure. Yeah. I think they're asking
about myself and Kit and Jason. Well, just
maybe as you go around, not necessarily right
this second, but I they were asking about
me and Kit and Jason. I'm Derek Rose
from the Conscious Resistance Network.
Yeah. So whoever.
Yo, everybody. Jason Bassler, Free Thought Project and
Police the Police.
Charlie Robinson from activist post and macro aggressions.
Kid Knightley from Off Guardian.
My name is t Snyder. You can find
me at conspiracysynergy.com.
There you go.
Jason Burmes. I didn't realize it was backwards.
I really hate these settings that mirror your
image for no reason. We're gonna try to
save that. We all know where to find
me.
Just for that note, I just it's that's
just my I I think it's important to
do that. I'm just so adverse. I barely
even say my name when I start my
show. So that that's something. Feel free to
do that every time, guys. And I you
I did see someone ask about some some
people there. So thank you, Derek. But back
to the point on that, if you wanna
jump in, I think it's important for those
that may not know the, you know, kind
of the connected point to total information awareness,
even today more so at main core and
kind of how it played a role before
today. So go ahead.
Yeah. That's actually where I want to start,
and I do wanna credit,
two people who are part of the IMA
who are not here today, both James Corbett
and Whitney Webb who've been Absolutely. Among others
here writing about,
writing about Palantir for some time. And so
encourage people to go check out unlimited hangout.
Whitney actually did a collaborative investigation with Jeremy
Lofredo back in 2020
called Palantir's Tiberias
Race and the Public Health Panopticon. It was
really about, like, the relation to COVID because
there's a whole history there.
There's a whole history of COVID, you know,
and Palantir.
But, what you're talking about, Ryan, I think
is really the key point. And whoever doesn't
have their mic muted, if you guys don't
mind, I'm hearing a little feedback.
The total information awareness program was started after
09:11 for those who might not remember, and
it's the one you've seen out there, I'm
sure, that has the all seeing eye pyramid
logo looking over the world.
And because it was controversial,
it's as weird as it sounds, and I
keep trying to remind people of this, that
just twenty years ago, people actually did give
a crap about privacy.
That's been lost in such a short time.
But twenty years ago, even with all the
nine eleven hysteria,
a lot of people were concerned and were
speaking out about this program that was
was seeking to monitor
all of our lives in many ways that
have now been achieved. So there was actually
some pushback. It went from being called total
information awareness to the terrorist information,
awareness program. They had to change it to
try to soften it. But by the end
of twenty, 02/2003, it ended up being shut
down because of the controversy. Now that's at
least the mainstream story. I think we all
know that they just took the different pieces
of the that program and kind of distributed
them among different agencies.
And it's around this time that Palantir is
getting started. And,
Whitney and Jeremy, they they mentioned this article
from,
I think it was 02/2003. It was a
a New York magazine report that talked about
how John Poindexter, who comes from US intelligence
and military,
he actually met up with Peter Thiel and
Alex Karp, who, by the way, are both
steering committee members of the Bilderberg group. And
as Jason said, Bilderberg's getting ready to meet.
And they met with the Poindexter. You know,
they basically got all the tips and information
they needed to start a private surveillance
program that they couldn't do through the government
with total information awareness. So they that's basically
the start of Palantir. And, of course, besides
Peter Thiel's own investments,
the CIA's venture capital firm, In Q Tel,
was their first
investment. So from the beginning,
from 2003
or 02/2004, depend sometimes they say they were
found in 02/2004. It looks like they may
have been started earlier than they claim. There's
a lot of kind of uncertainty about that.
But, yeah, from the very beginning, the CIA
through the venture capital firm and through Poindexter
and the total information awareness program
were directly intertwined and interconnected
to Pallant Peter and Alex Karp and Peter
Steele. And since then, of course, now twenty
years later, they're very influential.
They now have this massive relationship with Trump's
second White House, and they're helping kill Palestinians.
I mean, they're involved with all kinds of
different things that we've been covering recently at
TLAB, which is why I've started to call
this the Palantir World Order.
I think it's something crazy, like, 30 different
agencies
Palantir's interwoven themselves within. Yeah. Well, I mean,
on that note well, then so go ahead
and elaborate on that, Jason. Do you mean
in regard to, like, previously in in just
the overlap or specifically with, like, the AI
data mining discussion of today? Because it's gotten
even worse with that.
I don't know that for sure, but, I
I do know that as, you know, Derek
was just saying that has been something that's
been going on through the Obama administration, through
the Biden administration, that the first Trump administration.
I would assume
that there is definitely overlap with the the
AI stuff, but, yeah, I couldn't tell you
for sure. But Yeah. If you guys don't
mind me jumping in just really quick, I
this might be a little off track,
maybe jumping ahead just slightly, but I do
need to go in a few minutes. But
I did wanna talk about,
some of the predictive policing stuff because that's
important to me. I I think you guys
probably know, most of you guys know I've
been doing, Police the Police, and the Free
Thought Project is really focused on police accountability
over the past decade.
And, we've seen a lot of similar,
stories that's come up around the predictive policing,
that has involved innocent people.
And, this is, yeah, something that definitely worries
me because, Palantir builds a software that basically
aggregates,
the data for,
various law enforcement records.
They take surveillance footage, license plate readers, social
media stuff,
and it's all, you know, to identify hotspots
where crimes might occur,
flag individuals
as potential offenders or associates
based on their network or past behavior.
It generates risk scores for people often without
their knowledge or consent,
and, this has already been happening. I think
it was Los Angeles in
02/2009, '2 thousand '10.
They had a what's called LASER program,
and,
same thing with New Orleans. They actually partnered
with the New Orleans Police Department without any
public knowledge or city council approval,
to implement these predictive systems
that track the gang members and affiliates. And
that's kind of just crazy and by itself
that they're they're just kind of
subverting any type of local government and it's,
you know, putting themselves
in that position.
And, you know, these predictive
algorithms,
you know, that generate the risk scores and
all that stuff. But
as Larry Ellison said, you know, who was
on stage with Trump, when he announced the
$500,000,000,000
Stargate project last year, he said citizens will
be on their best behavior.
And he basically elaborated that AI would monitor
various sources, including
security cameras, police body cameras, and he said
that AI would monitor,
all those things, including vehicle dash cams.
And as I was saying, you know, this
is worrisome because,
these systems fail at arresting, you know, all
the time. They they arrest innocent people. There's
no due process, raises questions about, like, bias
algorithms.
And,
if cops are wearing body cameras that use
this real time facial recognition to analyze people
that they come in contact with, it's it's
definitely gonna end up in a database somewhere.
I should also mention that the license plate
readers in The US is exploding.
The ACLU reports that roughly 85%
of
law enforcement agencies deploy these license plate readers.
I'm sure you guys have all heard about
flaw cameras. There's over,
42 states, 4,000 cities that have these flaw
cameras in them. And Forbes last year reported
that FedEx had partnered with flaw cameras,
to put on these license plate readers on
their trucks. And FedEx isn't the only people
too. It's Kaiser Permanente,
it's Lowe's,
it's quite a few different places. Of course,
Amazon ring, and they all collaborate with law
enforcement.
Apparently, there's one,
company called the Digital Recognition Network.
It claims it's a subsidiary of Motorola. It
claims it's produced 250
plate readings a month, and it's amassed 200
and or, excuse me, 23,000,000,000
license plate scans since its inception.
So,
you know, if we're talking about building databases,
like, all this stuff is going to be
put in there. It's gonna be, you know,
flagging people
and, basically,
algorithms are gonna be predicting what they do.
You know? So it destroys due process
and,
it really shifts policing from evidence based action
to preemptive suspicion.
And and it's hard not to overlap that
with many other things and many other topics,
but many other things around the world like
we saw with, for example,
you know, what what's happening with the genocide
in Gaza and and the testing of those
things using threat scores to determine certain people
with the AI, it's the same thing. But
even the overlap you discussed with things like
the way things are going in places like
Prospera, the teal backed libertarian,
you know, a dictatorial you know, authoritarian government
is taking over Honduras or in El Salvador.
You know, there's different overlaps to all of
this, and that well, you can see these
little the same, you know, building
aspects of this. And you pointed out the
agency point. And so it goes well, actually,
before I go into that, anybody else have
any comments on the police overlap? And I'll
I'll I'll take a step back and, like,
because I wanna go into all the different
agencies that you were mentioning there, but the
police part goes back a long way. And
then I'll let anybody jump in. Well, before
this and remember, this is Trump's last administration,
and then it even overlaps through Biden's administration.
And so this is nonpartisan, and it's been
building for a long time. And the police
part is just now dovetailing with everything else,
it seems. So anybody else have any thoughts
on that? I just wanna add quickly that
Teslas are snitch vehicles. They have contracts with
fusion centers.
Ford Motor Company is
trying to do something very similar with a
lot of pushback.
There's
new surveillance
up, for speed cameras. 33,
in fact, brand new,
speed detection cameras have been placed all over
the,
the city of San Francisco and on the
bridges and stuff like that.
It
it's going to a point to where
people are going to be forced into
the driverless
vehicle
because every every time you get behind the
wheel,
broadly,
most motorists can, commit some sort of infraction.
It's just something that everybody does a little
bit
all the time,
whether or not you're a little bit over
the speed limit or you fail to, you
know, hit your brakes at a proper distance,
but put your turn signal on at a
proper distance. If we're having,
surveillance
done digitally
that only knows what the actual
motor vehicle code says
and isn't even taking into account flow of
traffic or any of this other stuff, then
everybody's
going to get multiple tickets all day every
day.
I mean, that that old statement about, you
know, at, like, at any at any given
moment because of how ridiculous our legal system
is and all the laws in place going
back decades centuries that everyone's you know, they
could make you you are all a felon
if they want you to be is the
point. I don't know. Forget how that statement
goes, but they've made that clear before. They
could just choose to pick the law out
that you're breaking, and everyone is at current
moment. That's that's wild. Go ahead, Jason.
I was just gonna say they also they're
putting, even in manual cars, they're putting remote
control kill switches in.
So, like, even if you even if you
refuse the auto drive, you're gonna have a
kill switch in I believe in Europe, they're
gonna be mandatory in all new cars made
after, like, 2015 or something. Wow. And the
the problem is and we touched on the
AI thing as well. We're all talking about
the idea of precrime here, essentially, and that's
what it is. And we're we're talking about
the idea of precrime working,
but it could easily not work. And as
we talked about with the AI stuff, people
are already throwing over their own judgment, their
own ideas, what the AI tells them is
true. A police officer in ten years' time
will simply have a facial recognition scan, and
it will tell him, yeah. That's the guy.
Even if it doesn't look like the photograph,
he will override that, and and you could
end up in some sort of wood Kafkaesque
situation where the facial recognition software says you're
somebody you're not, and there will be no
safeguards in place.
Right. Well, this is a perfect overlap then
too. I mean, so the the obvious point
of where this is built forward and how
it's been set up and a nonpartisan idea,
you know, this
this surface level kind of acknowledgment of what's
been building or been there in their database
of all American information, you know, this has
this overlaps with, like, the where it's going
discussion, the artificial intelligence
overlap to the bigger point in all of
this. So, before we go into all of
that, what what Jason was saying, Jason Basler,
is just that the point of all the
different, I was looking this up this morning
just to make sure there wasn't anything new,
just so it's on the record.
It's, so far. And this is this is
my question before about whether
you're talking about Palantir and other agencies by
other groups, by the way, just simply being
involved with the government in a lot of
ways and being part of their different agencies.
What I'm referring to is that in addition
to what we're now discussing of them having
access through Doge and other discussions,
all of the databases that they've now removed
the silos from and pushed them into one
central point for the most part and using
them to train their models, their large language
models, their AI, this has been publicly discussed.
Now the AI bill, which we can touch
on as well, or rather the the the
Trump's bill, I refuse to call it the
big beautiful bill, discussing the idea of of
ten years of non oversight for AI and
the different
AI components to new government, which it looks
like the senate's gonna push back on now.
But the point is it's there, this all
comes back to what they're using it for.
Now that's health and human services,
the department of, of Homeland Security, IRS, ICE,
Social Security, the GSA, USAID, Department of Energy,
Department of Education, the FAA, FEMA, NIH, National
Oceanic
Atmospheric Administration, and the Treasury Department. And then
you can even overlap that with the health
side of it with,
RFK Jr's database on health information or even
Oracle overlapped with Stargate.
All of this using AI, that I just
that's almost hard to imagine. You know what
I mean? That much information being jammed together
I mean, go ahead. I'll I'll leave it
there. I just think that's very important to
realize that, you know, in a lot of
ways, some of the people, especially in the
partisan field, are missing the forest for the
trees by talking about this bigger discussion, but
not realizing, as we've said, it's been going
on a long time and that it's, I
think, done at this point. Right? I mean,
a few more agencies to go, but go
ahead. Anyone wanna jump in on that? Well,
let let me jump in on that because
I think it goes beyond agencies. Right? So
number one, I think people have to realize
that you have a social credit score on
Apple if you've ever bought a device or
anyone around you has bought a device. Same
thing with Google. These things came out, jeez,
more than a decade ago.
I think that you look at other big
companies,
Microsoft, you got an Xbox,
I'm sure, or or you're on Windows,
they've got something similar there.
PlayStation, Sony.
I would say that those databases are also
going to be incorporated. I didn't name the
big one. You know, everybody talked about the
Total Information Awareness Network. Well,
there's always been those rumblings of a Facebook
connection. Right? And then you look
at Facebook,
and, really, when it was pushed over the
top past these other social media platforms, who
was it? Peter Thiel stepped in.
Sean Parker
stepped in. So when you look at that
and you look at these new data centers
that are being proposed, the one in Kentucky
that's currently being built for Meta,
I think that that's going to be
as much
of an incorporation
as those government databases,
as the autonomous cars that we were talking
about.
Basically, when we are talking about total information
awareness,
we're even getting not only into the Internet
of things
being centralized
by this AI and analyzed, but also the
Internet of bodies. And, you know, the Rand
Corporation
and others have been very open about that
as well. And look. I'm as guilty as
anybody. I got the damn watch on. I
take the damn walk and see how quick
I do my two miles.
I wear it when I'm in the car
and someone calls me or texts me. I
don't wanna, you know, touch it. I'll hit
that, and I'll start talking into this.
I know some people aren't as comfortable with
that, but
I think it's only gonna get more. I
think that we have to be aware and
navigate it, pick and choose our battles. Like,
I would be stupid.
I've got probably seven game systems
that have been built in the last decade
plus. They all have microphones in them. They're
in the damn controllers at this point.
You know how many phones are sitting around
my house right now? Yeah. They're off, but
I think that we all know that there
are ways to access these things without people
knowing.
So
I I think right now, big picture,
Palantir
is trying to become that, like,
oracle of the Lord of the Rings.
They get a one ring to rule them
all. All that stuff. Not just government stuff,
but all the public stuff and all the
contracting. I mean, really, that is what we've
been seeing anyway is the merger of government
and corporations
on a techno fascistic level that's really never
been imagined before. But now it's starting to
be achieved. And that and that's, like, the
real danger. Right?
Yeah. I think there's the temptation to think
that all of this is just starting
now within the last five years, whatever.
When you go back to 02/2004,
you've got two origin stories happening simultaneously.
You have out of In Q Tel, you
have
Facebook
and the Peter Thiel connection that you just
mentioned, and you have Palantir starting about the
same time coming out of In Q Tel
with with Karp running that and and and
this role. So it's you can make a
case that this has been on the plan
for two decades.
That this isn't something that's just new. Maybe
the technology has caught up. Maybe
when minority report comes out in 02/2002,
that technology
is futuristic.
The future is now. Half the stuff that
we saw in that movie is happening. Precrime
was
inconceivable
two decades ago. Now it's normalized
almost and talked about as as a real
thing. So
I think that they have been plotting and
planning this for for a very long time.
And and the role of these
technocrats is extremely dangerous. It's tempting to be
dismissive of Elon Musk and go, oh, you
know, he's just a quirky nerd who builds
companies. But it's like, well,
peel back a layer or two and and
see where this guy's money is coming from.
See who who the connection has come from.
Much in the same way that that Palantir
was
started
to service the CIA. What about Oracle?
I mean, Oracle was named after the project
that the CIA was project Oracle that they
were working on. And so this has been
going on since '77
in that regard. So it's a long play,
and
I think that for those look. I put
I put the Palantir conversation
in the same category as the USAID
conversation.
Nothing's changed.
Nothing's really getting fixed, but
at least some of the normies are starting
to talk about it. They didn't know about
USAID
three years ago. I mean, we're all talking
about it and doing episodes and
but now you've got your hairstylist,
maybe not mine, but somebody's hairstylist out there
going, what do you have to make of
this whole USAID thing? Well,
you could take them down a long rabbit
hole, but the point is, at least it's
on their radar now. And Palantir, same thing.
Like, what is this Palantir? You know, now
they're starting with Peter Thiel. I thought he
was just a a guy who's
bad on Rogan and stuttered and mumbled his
way through a three hour conversation. It's like,
no. No. No. No. That guy is extremely
dangerous, and this is what his company is
about. So, I mean, I guess in the
if we're gonna take a a very tiny
white pill, like, maybe this size of a
Tic Tac,
it'll be that some of the normies are
starting to open their eyes to these agencies
or these corporations
that are, driving the future.
Such a good point, Charlie, and here's where
the bait and switch administration
comes in. Right? Because what happened to USAID,
it got absorbed
into the state department.
There's
and so
Palantir
has been a, quote, unquote, third party contractor.
Even though it's always rode that public private
partnership fence, It's been a a private entity
face. Now
it's
part and parcel
of the government. So the bait and switch
part is, sure, you can talk about it
now that it's a part of the government.
But in four years, it's just going to
be,
one of the underpinning
key systems that allow for efficiency
and thorough management
of this
greatest democracy.
And this is why we started with the
point about the the the feud because as
they were highlighting is this is how this
tend not to say we know for sure,
but this is how this tends to go,
especially when they recognize people are starting to
see through all the BS, all the partisan
lies. They they they do something like that.
They create rather you know, like you're saying
the average person sees USAID. Instead of changing
that, they give you the false dynamic, and
they allow you to, you know, lean into
that thinking that, oh, now it's gone, but
they just added something else. And I think
that's possibly the whole point about what's going
on with Palantir. You know? Did someone else
gonna jump in? Yeah. I just I just
wanted to take that that white pill, put
it two black pills either side of it
and flip it black like in Go.
Because, like,
you could argue that the norm is talking
about it is very much part of the
point. I mean, the the concept we're talking
about here is called the Panopticon.
Right? And I don't know if everyone probably
most of us know the history of the
of the word, but some people in the
audience might not. It goes back to the
eighteenth century.
Philosopher, utilitarian philosopher, Jerome Bentham invented what he
called the perfect prison, which is a circular
prison with a single guard tower in the
middle.
And all this all the cells are visible
to the top of the guard tower at
all times.
Now most of the cells,
most of the prisoners are not being watched,
but they are perfectly aware that any one
of them could be. The idea of the
Panopticon
is that the idea you might be being
watched encourages you to police yourself. As Larry
Ellison said, people are gonna be on their
best behavior. So in some ways, they have
to tell us it's there
or it won't work.
Yeah. Yeah. I tend to agree with that.
I'd I I have trouble with with it
being
I have trouble with it, the idea that
people I mean, not to say again, take
the black pill that anytime any people are
waking up, it's always a psyop, etcetera, because
I I see those people out there, and
I'm not totally in agreement with that. But,
yeah, of course, it makes me a little
skeptical or questioning why it's safe now.
I'm not gonna name any names, but there
are definitely a lot of big podcasts and
and folks who I know lots of people
here were pointing out Palantir Connections
prior to the election, and they were all
still there and pretty obvious in my mind.
I know I wrote a lot of articles
about that. And, Ryan, I know you did
hours and hours of coverage of this and
others here. And,
now six months into the thing, everybody's
willing to talk about Palantir and Peter Thiel,
and it's,
it's become safe now. And so, yeah, good
that more people are talking about it, good
that the hairdresser's
talking about it, and maybe there's some seeping
into normie
mind
out there. But, also,
it is good, I think, to remain skeptical
and question or, you know, just even have
a critical mind about why, you know, why
it's happening at this time. And, I did
wanna go into some Doge and Peter Thiel
in a minute, but, Charlie, I think did
you have something you wanna add?
No. I'm good. Thank you. Well, Derek, before
you do that real quick, just since you
mentioned it, I just think this is humorous,
and we don't have to spend time on
this, but the point is about, you know,
remember that a lot of people almost everybody
here was calling out, you know, a lot
of things. But Palantir being a focal point
before all this, and it was black pill
purity test, I just thought it's very funny
now. And I hate to take pleasure in
the the chaos that's happening between the Mac
community, but to see the way that they're
responding to this stuff now is interesting to
me where CatTurt came out and said, pay
close attention to all the people who don't
have president comes back right now. And I
said, this is what a purity test actually
looks like. Sycophant clowns like this guy tried
to say that what we were doing was
exactly I said what we were doing when
we tried to warn you about exactly what's
taking place was the purity test. I just
think it's interesting to see how how much
what's just happened is exposing,
you know, the kind of hollowness, the hypocrisy
around, and in my opinion, is all partisan,
like, extremism, you know, the team sport politics
side. So I thought that was important to
point out because it's it's hard to battle
something like that when they've got so much
influence, and it's all, like, personal identity politics.
You know? Woke left, woke right. Alright. Go
ahead. Well and, again, just real quick, it's
like three card money,
but it's three card Psyop money. So people
if it's okay
to talk about Palantir now, that means nobody's
talking about Larry Ellison or Sam Altman
or,
you know, the Stargate going international
at this point, the mRNA platform, Stargate going
international at this point. There's, you know, a
a pick a broligarch
if Elon Musk or if,
you know,
freaking,
Peter Thiel
are are taken front and center. Well, hey.
Look. There's still three other guys from the
PayPal mafia that are embedded within the Trump
administration
that aren't garnering all the headlines. But like
Carlin said, you don't necessarily
need an organized conspiracy
when everybody else when everybody involved all went
to the same schools, is all part of
the same clubs, all have the same
overarching,
you know, goals and stuff like that.
If
Musk and Teal are taking all of the
oxygen out of the information,
everybody else in the PayPal mafia
is running around
rampant, not to mention Howard Lutnick, not to
mention all of the other people that are
part and parcel of advancing
the the panopticon
esque agenda that we've been talking about,
on the panel so far. Oh, and if
if if we're gonna speculate as to who
might be pulled into this next, I'm gonna
put my money on Lucky Palmer. Oh. I
mean, because he wears a Hawaiian shirt. You
know? He's got the branding. He's just a
wacky, kooky nerd who Mhmm. You know, he's
just he's looking out for America. You know?
He's building these
you can you can easily see him getting
incorporated in,
and like like Steve says,
when the magician wants you to look at
it at his right hand, you have to
keep an eye on his left hand. That's
what, you know, that's pulling the bird out
of the back pocket or whatever. So
so it's in in some cases, it's not
necessarily who they're talking about now. It's who
they're, you know, who the spotlight is no
longer on. You know, exit stage right, and
now that guy is off to go do
his thing. Musk leaves.
What's he up to? Well, he's up to
whatever
whatever the agenda is, but he doesn't have
that massive spotlight on him. He might not
be the best example because he's always putting
a spotlight on himself. But some of the
lesser characters,
as they exit the stage,
they're now free to,
to do what they're doing without the audience
watching.
So I'm so glad you brought up Lucky
Palmer because I he's gonna play into really
what I wanted to talk about. We haven't
hit on Lavender. We haven't hit on the
fact that Palantir
is very much a part of the Five
Eyes
operation. So it is an international
intelligence network, and
Lavender, which just picked through AI 30,000
plus, quote, unquote, terrorists, AKA targets,
that can be taken out by autonomous drones
and machines made by Lucky Palmer.
I think that's really important.
So I was really unaware
of Lucky Palmer probably till the last few
months when all of a sudden he's on
a media train for his company, Andral.
And where there are a lot of parallels
with what Charlie was just saying there,
with AI autonomous weapons and faces.
Palmer's thing is that he wants The United
States to be the world's gun store for
these autonomous weapons, kinda, you know, further putting
out that plausible
deniability circle. Well, again, Palantir is supposedly a
private company. Right? They're working with all these
different government government agencies
as well, and
they're targeting these people. Well, what kind of
weapon systems are gonna be utilized? Lucky Palmer's
weapon systems. We're not just talking about traditional
drones,
you know, air, water, you name it. He's
doing it right now. And this is like
the hip kid
that brought us the, Oculus Rift
owned by Meta now.
You know? So you see how incestuous
this whole thing is. And but it's okay
because he's got a cool little goatee. He
wears sandals. He's in a Hawaiian shirt, and,
you know, he talks hip.
What's he, like, 30?
He's got an ironic mullet, Jason. What more
could you ask for
in a tycoon?
It's
it's pretty wild.
Again, but this shows you. And I'm just
getting familiar with this guy.
He seems
on the level that he is a very
intelligent person and at the helm a lot
of these things. But at the same time,
alright. He's the guy that put out what
becomes
commercialized
VR and, like, probably the biggest
format out there.
We know the defense department, DARPA, has had
virtual reality for decades.
We know that even side by side, you
can go and see these, rather crude machines
where they were running film reels
side by side. I think in the in
the fifties, it had these type of VR
experiences where you were, like, driving around. Obviously,
a lot more crude today, but that was
commercially available then. So, again,
is this an anointed one?
You know, I mentioned Peter Thiel earlier. I
briefly said Sean Parker. For those that don't
know who Sean Parker was,
Sean Parker
was this kid who the CIA tried to
recruit when he was 16, turned it down.
All of a sudden, he creates Napster.
And not only does he create Napster, that
turns into Spotify,
and he's the Justin Timberlake character
in the, Facebook movie there. So the it
should show you how influential that guy could
becomes. And look.
And by the way, Bilderberg attendee, never a
steering member. I think he went once or
twice.
But to me, that illustrates the fact that,
hey. Maybe Sean Parker did turn down the
CIA.
But do you think the CIA gave up
on Sean Parker?
Like, I mean, that that's kind of my
thing. It's like, whether you wanna work for
them or not,
I see the boost
of the software
and the social media that he was involved
in. It's hard for me to believe
that there wasn't somewhere along the way that
the intelligence agencies maybe at least pushed along
if he wasn't directly
involved with them. And I and I'll cut
it short there.
I often wonder, you know, like, especially today
with, like, the the independent media overlap, how
many people involved in that field don't know
that they're being used or played. You know,
I think that's a may maybe the majority
of what's going on. And I think that's
a new kind of angle where things go
and the same kind of point. You know,
you just don't know if it's just willful
ignorance. Maybe they're even aren't even aware that
it's just funding that they're happy to take
without even looking into it. We see that
and I'm talking about the the side you're
addressing, Jason, but it's also the same thing
independent media. But so it's interesting to think
at every angle I mean, even what we
discussed yesterday, it's it's it's hard to ignore
that all of this seems to have been
long term intelligence
created startup entities, you know, where where they
kinda place everything into position. You know? You
mentioned Palantir, total information awareness, Oracle, the same
idea,
Maincore, we haven't talked about yet, or Lucky
Palmer. And, I mean, all these different points.
You know? It's it's I mean, you could
argue it's just coincidence that they all had
the origin point with intelligence that, you know,
that's hard for me to wrap my mind
around. You know? And then, of course, we
could overlap that with the bigger international picture
with other international players that are really, really
invested in the tech field and surveillance and
all sorts of different things. So why why
don't we talk oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
Don't don't you find it funny that the
the origin stories are this are very similar?
Freshman nerd in his Harvard dorm room starts
a transformational
technology company with stolen technology.
Mhmm.
Turns it takes it and goes public and
winds up, making billions of dollars. Who am
I talking about? Am I talking about Bill
Gates?
Am I talking about Mark Zuckerberg? Because it's
the same origin story.
Identical. Or it's I started it out of
my garage in Silicon Valley, like HP or,
like, Apple or whoever.
You know, you you Google started it out
of your garage. Something about these garages. I
think, really,
if they wanna give it one deviation
less connected
tissue to the,
to the government,
They just run it through the venture capital
firms on Sand Hill Road. You know? And
then and then it's money that it looks
like it's private money. And Peter Thiel's got
a venture capital fund. You know? I mean,
he's Mhmm. So
so where is the money coming from? Well,
it's coming from these VCs and they're, you
know, it's seed funding and maybe a second
round or whatever, and we're we're just trying
to go public. And if you're a a
tech, you know, guy starting your company, you're
just constantly looking for money. I mean, it's
half of your job is finding more money.
Sometimes you don't get to choose who you
take the money from or you and and
if the government comes to you or the
CIA, maybe you go, no. I'm not interested.
But what's the difference between
Google Ventures and the CIA to me? Nothing
really. Maybe just one layer of of one
one
hop away, but it's it it feels like
it's, it it gives
tech companies
plausible deniability to say, we're not taking money
from the CIA. We're taking it from,
from from, you know, some other some VC.
And it's like, well yeah. But
the CIA is on their board.
So
Right. And the question remains or rather the
point to make is that whether or not
they're aware of it, if it's the case,
is irrelevant in the in the context of
whether this is what we're dealing with, you
know, and then it's willful ignorance. And, you
know, a lot of these people I mean,
it may even be that they just don't
even care. Like, maybe they have no objections
anyway, so why even look? You know? So
it's it's just a very important thing to
think about how much this overlaps.
There's, Derek come back and his, Internet crashed.
Well, I was gonna jump into from there
the larger conversation about where deal to me
out. Yeah. Yeah. As well as maybe the
main core point to discuss, but, Derek, I'll
throw it to you because you were gonna
go to a point there before we move
forward.
Yeah. So I just wanted to point out,
I have my article. I don't know if
you still have it pulled up, Ryan, the
one, welcome to the Palantir world order. I
had oh, you know, basically, this article is
a summary of all the different projects Palantir
is doing with the Trump administration. A few
of them have been mentioned, You know, the
IRS partnership, helping ICE find people. They're working
on a nuclear energy project, which is part
of helping, you know,
power all the AI centers and data centers
they wanna build. And there's there's a few
others, and each of these does have Palantir
teal connections.
But I specifically have a section called the
Doge teal connection, and I was building on
a previous article that I wrote right after
the election once Trump started naming people to
his cabinet. And at that time, I found
at least 10 people who were what I
was calling Peter Thiel acolytes in Trump's administration
in different positions.
That's JD Vance, Elon Musk, David Sacks, Howard
Lutnick, Jim O'Neil at the HHS, Ken Howery,
who's the ambassador at Denmark,
Jacob Helberg, Michael Kratios,
and on. And then this is kind of
like an update to it where there's been
new reporting since then, some in the mainstream
and just others digging. And I've list out
a bunch of people. I'm not gonna go
through all the names because the names probably
won't be familiar to most people. But the
point is these are former employee of Palantir,
former software engineer at Palantir, formerly of Andriel,
which is another Teal, project,
chief information
officer at Palantir,
former Teal fellow,
political donations from Teal,
formerly Andrille. So these are just all sorts
of different people in different places, but mostly
working with Doge.
And so by my last count, and this
article's over a month now,
there was 18 to 20 people
directly connected to Peter Thiel. There may be
some more, you know, looser connections, but people
who worked with him directly or received money
from him, worked in one of his organizations,
etcetera.
And, also and I I sent these other
links, Ryan. I don't know if you were
able to open them. They're in the, private
chat, but I can't claim credit for this.
The but I somebody sent this to me
this morning that apparently,
the guy who yeah. So this is like
a thread. Shout out to Jurassic Carl. I
have no idea who he is. He just
sent this to me.
But this thread goes through and you can
see how the name he's tagged is not
showing up there because apparently, the guy blocked
him. But if you go to underscore jbaxter
underscore,
that guy apparently is a former Palantir,
employee and in that thread, they show his
resume and they show his positions at Palantir.
And he's also I think his title is
chief engineer of community notes.
So you got a former Palantir
employee engineer who's actually in charge of Twitter's,
community notes program
and that's just another see right there's community
notes, founding ML lead, staff, ML engineer at
x and
from MIT. And, yeah, you can get more
of his background and find out he worked
for Palantir. So that was just another random
connection that I'd never heard of just to
show this relationship
between
Doge,
Elon Musk, Twitter, etcetera. I mean, there's there's
so many of them. I'm sure the web
is even bigger than I'm talking about here.
I'm I'm sure you guys have other insights.
But, yeah, I just wanted to make that
point that for those who don't quite realize
how close Elon is
to Palantir,
there you go. You can go scroll through
his, resume and people can find that.
It's it's extensive. It's extensive. And, you know,
how that relates to
whatever spats going on with Trump, obviously, we
shared earlier. There's some theories, but all I
know is that the current Trump administration, the
second Trump two point o, is knee deep
with Palantir. And if Palantir isn't
description of you know, isn't a representation
of the deep state, I don't know what
is. Including the fact that they're we've already
covered the CIA connections and origins, but I'll
just reemphasize
the two heads of the company.
Many of them you know, many of the
other, cofounders are also connected to the Great
Power Mafia, but Alex Carpenter
are Bilderberg student committee members. So that means
next week when this hidden ruling class that,
as Jason Bermas said, no mainstream media is
reporting on, barely in the and independent media
still pays up pays attention to it these
days.
The two heads of this massive company with
all these US contracts, military industrial complex contracts
will be, you know, steering that meeting
along with other people,
including former CEO of Google Eric Schmidt.
And I think this is you know, it's
it's so hard to miss how invasive,
how completely all encompassing this has become. And
maybe maybe you don't mind that. Maybe you
think this is somebody, you know, just going
after the deep state data despite very clearly
taking all the personal data about you, and
that's been, you know, verified. The argument being
out there today that they're just gonna use
this to go after the other, you know,
the bad government, which is just patently balls.
So let's talk about where this goes for
I well, I did I wanna talk about
the overlap of this as it goes into
the connection of the great reset, let's say.
Build back better. And then let's talk about
the AI direction and how that is becoming
all encompassing everywhere. But I was hoping to
get Jason's thought on this since he put
this out. But I think this is a
very important thing to think about. Right? Where
and I'm not and this is not to
be that you think it's exact it is
the same thing or the same people, but
that the idea of where the the great
reset, you know, the the the World Economic
Forum kind of vision and where that's going,
what do you guys think about that in
regard to what's currently happening? Is it the
same thing? Is it different the different flavor?
I'm curious what you guys think. Well, let
me just say this just because,
Derek has been mentioning Alex Karp a lot.
Alex Karp is kinda
on that media hype train via the World
Economic Forum
and these other globalist institutions constantly.
He's the one showing up to CES.
I forget
exactly I I'm not sure if it was
the World Economic Forum. It may have been.
It may have been one of those offshoots,
but just three weeks ago, I did a
watch along with him on a forum with
other people from Google and other international
AI companies
kinda talked about this. You know, it was
always unsettling to me and always a bit
surreal.
I remember not believing it when it first
came across during the COVID nineteen eighty four
nightmare
that there was this idea of a great
reset by the World Economic Forum. I'm like,
no. There there's not re they're not really
doing this. And then
there was that panel with Schmidt,
with,
Kissinger before he died, you know, espousing this
great reset agenda on behalf of the World
Economic Forum. I was kinda blown away.
You know, I I think they are in
line
with the same agenda. But, again, you have
to have those opposing sides. Right? You've got
so many of these people
blindsided by the idea that Peter Thiel is
some kind of libertarian.
Right? That's the mask that he wears.
Yet, you know, you go back to my
2013
film, Shade,
and
Webster Tarpley, probably one of the biggest socialist
out there, rightly pointed out that Thiel had
plans for a private island
with no laws whatsoever. And if you think
that that's fiction,
remember, this is the guy that got convicted
in a court of law
for running offshore
experiments to try to cure herpes. I wonder
why, Pete.
I'm just I'm just saying, like like, a
guy that will be that wild is wild
enough
to try to create his own island or
his own vision for government. And, you know,
Alex Karp doesn't get brought in. And and
you look at Karp, and he's got such
Gates vibes. Right? Like, let's put the sweater
on Karp. You know? Let's put the wacky
glasses and the haircut on Karp.
Every time I see Karp actually get challenged
on his bull snap, he does not do
well.
He gets extremely excited.
He talks extremely quickly,
and he basically,
you know, gives this
jingoistic,
you know, answer that we've gotta do it
or the bad guys are gonna do it,
so we're gonna do it. That's it. Right?
That that's the big thing. And when Peter
Thiel was put on the spot again on
Lavender, I mean, it's the clip of the
year so far.
He's visibly uncomfortable.
He forgets the second part of the question
altogether and has to ask it. He stutters.
He stammers.
And then he gives, again,
this Johnny nonsense answer
that if he capitulates
to her point
and even makes a comment on it, then
somehow
we're governing the world from Cambridge.
As if
Palantir
isn't advocating to be a large part of
the global police force anyway, And not just
advocating
for it,
they're part of it.
I don't know, man. According to Alex Jones,
they're just a little startup company
that you know? And they're really shaking up
the deep state because they're outside. That's what
he said. That's what he like, word for
word, what he's saying. I know. I I
heard that original rant. He
walked a lot of that back today is
all I'm gonna say.
Stone came on, and Stone
was rightfully,
more Well, because it doesn't matter what you
said. I'm not disagreeing with you, Steve. I'm
just telling you he walked a bunch of
that Palantir stuff back. I I watched listen.
I watched that original. You know, Palantir's just
coming in and trying to, you know, become
you know, challenge the old deep state reefer.
Turns out I looked into it and, hey,
y'all.
To the best of my determination
now.
Now. Not not yesterday.
I was busy. I was barbecuing. I was
out with my family. I took a dip
in the river. I commune with nature and
the Lord. But today, this morning, I looked
into it a little bit, and I found
out,
maybe they're not the best.
And he he also blamed it on the
left, which it it's just it's actually it's
cartoonish, the argument that was made based on
basic facts that anybody can prove. That's that's
that's what really frustrated me about it. We
laughed about it on AM Wake Up, and
it's the, you know, the point is simply
that it's very clear that there's a an
army of sycophants out there that are going
out of their way. Like, I laugh more
about the, you know, Benny Johnson cat tour
type. They're like, it's a great day and
Trump's doing everything he wants, you know. Winning,
hashtag promises kept. All day, like, just trying
to put out these side steps to be
like, don't pay attention to the it's that
meme. Everything's fine. That's what I feel all
day today. It's all they're all going like,
everything's okay. Stop paying attention. But I I
do I think that the the Karp aspect
of it is correct as you said. And
by the way, Jason, before I forget, send
me a link to Shade so I can
include that in in the show notes. I
wasn't able to find it on, you know,
one that I wanna share.
But the the clip for Karp that I'll
I'll play in a second is worth watching
because he is on
a recent channel. I think it's MSNBC, and
it's just very apparent. I think it was
Jimmy Dore that said, you know, she doth
doth protest too much kind of a point
where it's just like, you can clearly tell
that he's, like, just freaking out about what
the New York Times is writing. And I
think he's lying in very basic ways. But
I'd like to talk about I wanna add
something to that. Yeah. Go go ahead. Go
ahead. Real quick before about what Jason said,
just to pick up on that thread because,
you know, we we talk about Alex Karp
and and Jason's right. He deserves more attention.
Peter Thiel is becoming more well known, but,
also, we have to think about Palmer Luckey.
I saw somebody mentioned him in the comments.
He's also a lesser known,
Palantir
cofounder.
I encourage people to go watch this short
video. By the way.
Oh, well, I just wanna mention he was
on sixty minutes recently,
and he basically did the same dance that
Karp did that you were just describing based
on where he just like, well, you know,
we gotta do some stuff. He's like, he's
the cool flip flop wearing, you know, mullet
having
billionaire, you know, PayPal mafia, and just they
try to brand him. He's just such a
outsider renegade. But he had the same kind
of responses that both Karp and Teal. Teal
said, oh, well, I just defer to Israel.
Whatever they do, you know, I just trust
that if they know what they're doing. And
Karp's like, well, we're trying to kill terrorists
and maybe we kill some people other people.
And Palmer Luckey pretty much has the same
argument. They're like, well, we gotta build these
things. Otherwise, other bad people will, and
that might lead some bad places. But if
we don't do it, other people are going
to. So I just wanna mention, I'm glad
you guys talked about him before, but they
none of them have any sort of morals
or any ethics about this at all. If
they also don't if it was a war
criminal, it would be Palmer lucky.
The the the another common denominator I think
is important, none of these guys have children.
They have no stake in this. Right.
This is this is a common thread I've
noticed with a lot of these guys.
Yeah. You know?
Wait.
I think your your worldview changes.
I mean, it it has to when you
when you have kids. And and some people,
you know,
age is a thing. Some in in the
case of Peter Thiel and and Alex Karp,
it's their sexuality prevents them from having kids
unless they wanna buy them. But there's there's
a lot of this going on. I'm very
distrustful
of those people. The people that are running
weapon systems
that don't have any skin in the game
is a big problem to me.
I agree. I mean, we can you guys,
let's just play that. It's a little bit
long. We can stop it if you guys
like. Let's let's play this clip. And anybody
jump in? You wanna have a comment? I'll
pause it. Let's watch this. So I think
this is actually a really it it it's
I feel it's, like, self evident that he's
really uncomfortable. And as you said, he's usually
pretty erratic. To me, this seems like it's
on overdrive. And this was very recently post
New York Times article on how they discussed
this. Jump in if you have a comment.
The Palantir platform,
despite what you might read at the New
York Times Yeah. Is actually the most secure,
the hardest
platform in the world to manipulate and change.
Of course, any technology can be abused. But
if you wanted to abuse a technology, if
you wanted to use the deep state to
unlawfully
surveil people, the last
platform on the world you would pick is
Palantir because of the granular way we segment
and put together and the security models and
the access control models that are in Foundry
natively, not a built on addendum. And by
the way I'll add that Foundry, I've looked
into in general, and it's not hard to
find these overlaps, especially since they align themselves
with the strategic partnership with Israel in January
2024. But the Foundry is very much overlap
with Israel in a lot of ways. And
foundry is, like, the main thing being put
into every one of these, you know,
agencies in this country to
secure the data. So even if it is
as secure as they say, which I wouldn't
doubt, it's about who has access to that
and who can use it, and it's clear
who does today.
Hey. That focus on civil liberties is making
us really rich, which
drives the woke pagan religious practicing,
neo Neanderthal thinking people who ignore technology
absolutely not nuts on the right and the
left while we're building that. By the way,
I Can you just admit there's a woke
left and woke right? I think he did.
Ask for permission before I went nuts from
our wonderful,
slightly conservative,
and highly substantive partner. And he gave me
permission to embarrass him. He didn't realize it'd
be this embarrassing. I think it it comes
at the time. My views, not his. Okay.
So, Alex, let's get into that.
New York Times has an article. Here's the
headline. Trump taps Palantir to compile data on
Americans. They paint a pretty Orwellian picture. Can
we pause what you and the Yeah. No.
Please jump in. That that's the only time
you have a comment. Go ahead. I just
I
did
did Elon
drop by
Alex's office and be like, yo, buddy. I'm
a need you to hold my briefcase. They're
kicking me out of DC this weekend.
And Alex, like, cracked it open. All of
a sudden, it
started glowing like on Pulp Fiction, and it
was just, you know, Mars era ketamine.
And he was like, okay. Well, I'm gonna
do this with my daily Adderall and my
cocaine,
and then got on TV
to go do that because he was out
there waving his arms like he was being
inflated and trying to sell used cars in
a bad neighborhood.
He was out there flopping. It was a
little weird. It was. That's supposed to be
a,
a speech that
lends
confidence.
Yeah.
To the
Charlie.
Charlie,
you're in media relations.
Explain this, man.
Juxtapose
that with what you would tell a 22
year old athlete.
He's he's he's
he looks like he's selling washing machines on
Memorial Day for the weekend. You know? Yeah.
He's he's out of control. When the Adderall
kicks in, you you know, you just have
to go with it, I suppose. Has anybody
seen the movie 12 Monkeys?
Yeah.
Remember Brad Pitt in that? Yeah. You're right.
He has a very similar He has a
very, very similar energy. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that's the point. I mean,
the the character is meant to be erratic
and and, like, mentally unstable. Right? And so
it's it's a good parallel if you if
you think about it. Guy who thinks he's
gonna be thrown out of a window by
far right Hamas at any given moment, and
that's why he needs security at all times.
Like, those those are fast forward.
I want I want the guy in charge
of all the data to be a very
calm,
cool nerd, not some guy who looks frantic
like this,
like Alex Karp does. Well, give me, like,
a nine an early nineteen eighties Pan Am
pilot
before they went on.
Somebody who's been through a little bit, you
know, and okay. Maybe he'll, you know, maybe
he has a drink or two on his
off hours, but mostly, he's just there to
get you safe and get you home.
Alright, you guys. We're gonna be going through
a little bit of turbulence, but,
it's okay. That's who you want. You you
don't want
wacky hair inflatable arm guy. Yeah. He that's
a good good parallel too. But, you know,
I think it's the point is that it
demonstrate
that they're they're very, very uncomfortable right now.
You know? Because he's erratic anyway, but he's
put out there because they you know, knowledgeable,
I guess, or whatever. But all of them,
we can play the short compilation of teal
as well. And this is not it's not
just today, you understand. As you pointed out
before, it's when e they get they get
asked about what they're doing in Israel, they
seem to melt down. I think that says
a lot. So you wanna keep playing this,
guys?
Sure. Sure. I wanna start working over here.
I picked a random engineer, and I said,
we have by the way, we have a
contest.
Find all the technically
absolutely erroneous things in this article in ninety
seconds. And I picked a random engineer. He's
like I was like, well, how many do
you think you could do in ninety seconds?
He's like, well,
fifteen,
twenty. Why ninety seconds? But but leaving aside
the technical look. It's probably hard to say.
I'm not sure. I'm
well, it's not well, first of all, on
the tech side Oh. It is so ridiculous.
I read the New York Times. It's literally
like, I'm a dyslexic. They might as well
be hiring me to do a spelling bee.
So and I maybe they just have friends
who are tech bros, but they can't hire
on a meritocratic basis. I don't know. So
that's up to them. We have a contest.
Find all the errors in ninety seconds. I
think somebody will find 50 or 60. But
the more important thing is
we are not surveilling Americans.
We are not building a database to surveil
it. And if you wanted to do that,
the last platform in the world you would
buy is Palantir.
And don't believe me,
go look spend ten minutes
and look at the architecture of our product.
Ten minutes.
And then see how ridiculous that is. By
the way,
writing ridiculous
shit in a highly charged environment
is dangerous, and the New York Times should
take responsibility for the danger they're putting out
in the world. There really are people who
believe that crap.
They believe
that. One thing that's true though is that
you have increased your contracts with the government,
and that has accelerated under the Trump administration.
Of
course. We're but by the way, even there,
you know, a mathematically somewhat moderated person would
say, okay. Well, they're increasing a government by
45%. That's pretty baller. How are they increasing
in The US commercial?
71%.
Are we building a database to conspire against
our own people in The US commercial context
with no Salesforce? So it's I mean, yeah,
we're winning. Yeah. Great. You know what?
Tell everybody we're winning. We are winning. And
by the way, we have a rule of
83. Why we do it? Basically, means we
don't have or have, and it basically enough
Salesforce and we're winning. And And we know
what What's that? Go ahead.
I was just saying he definitely seems like
he's on drugs, and I don't even mean
that in a jokey way. Like, literally, he
seems like, yeah, he got hopped up and
and and maybe it was just the nerves
or whatever. I was gonna say too that
we you know, we've seen the teal
clip pizza.
He can't answer any questions.
Karp, the other one I think Jason was
referring to, there's this one, but there's also
him being confronted at, like, a campus and
a woman screaming saying, your technology kills Palestinians.
Your technology kills Palestinians. And you're just like,
I don't think these I mean, we have
to remember that a lot of these big
tech folks are
they sort of including Elon, some of them
proudly claim that they're on the autism spectrum.
Right? So maybe there's some element of that.
But I just think in general, this is
a super defensive
response. Yes. Like, he's the way he's acting
is not the way somebody who's confident and
is like, no. They're they're incorrect. I'm here
with my attorney. Here's the statements that are
wrong. Whatever. You know, it's just flipping out
and assuring everybody that we're winning. We're making
money. We're doing this. And,
yeah. And then claiming in ninety seconds, they
can find 50 to 60 things wrong. Not
to come to the defense of the New
York Times or because that's that's earlier. A
lot of the stuff in the Times article
is stuff that's been out in independent media
for quite a while, you know, just taking
note of the different relationships as well as,
noticing the Trump executive order. As soon as
it happened, I remember seeing that and thinking
here's some post nine eleven talk again. We
need to remove the borders between different agencies
because, you know, nine eleven happened because these
agencies couldn't talk to each other quick enough.
It's the same stuff and Trump's executive order
was streamlining that and taking the agencies out
of being in separate silos and making it
easier for them to communicate and work together,
to fight bad guys or whatever. And that's
exactly the role that Palantir is playing. And,
of course, he doesn't get into as everything
we've already covered today, CIA connections.
Nobody at all nobody at all in the
mainstream, of course, is gonna ask these guys
about their relationship and their steering committee, you
know, spots at the Bilderberg Group and things
of that sort.
Exactly. I just wanna jump in quick because
I think that Derek's right. I mean, I
wasn't expecting him to go, like, full Charlie
Sheen tiger blood winning,
but he does. And one of the weird
things that he keeps doing in this
is he talks first, he said, I how
many mistakes can you find in ninety seconds
to an engineer? He says 15.
And then he goes, maybe you could find
50 or 60 in ninety seconds. Yeah. He
doesn't mention one mistake.
Right? It seems like you know, and he
also throws in the word Neanderthal
and pagan.
So, I I mean, this is like classic
smear techniques. Right? There's not one and and
no point
at all did he address, okay. Well, they
said this,
and this is the truth. And he could've
done that in any sentence. So I I
think it kinda does speak. I had not
seen this clip. I'll be honest. I'd only
seen other clips.
Every time the guy gets challenged and he
just doesn't have an open forum
to spew his Johnny nonsense, he gets extremely
uncomfortable. And I mean, yeah, he was wacky
inflatable. I like to use my hands.
He was using a lot of handage right
there, but not saying a lot. So if
you wanna continue, I'm I'm enthralled.
Yeah. Well, just really quickly, the point you're
making is important or the in general, this
is what they put out right afterward. I
think this is very relevant. It says the
recently published New York article by the New
York Times is blatantly untrue, but it says
Palantir never collects data to unlawfully
surveil Americans. Now that's a big difference than
what he just said, and he's saying they
we just we don't surveil people.
Well, that's not what he said there. And
I think the main point is they're trying
to make the subtle argument that we're doing
so, but it's because the president wants us
to or because that's what our legislation says
or whatever. And even then, you could argue
just because the president says it or there's
legislation doesn't then make it legal. That's a
whole important thing to think about, but that's
just very important. The, you know, the the
the story continues to evolve as he makes
the narrative, and I think you've all made
some very good points here. Let's keep watching.
The word unlawfully is doing a lot of
work there. Right?
Exactly. But I gotta guys, thanks for thanks
for having me on, Ryan, everybody, and I'll
see you guys on the next panel. Awesome,
brother. See you then.
Because
the product is the best in the world.
And you know what? The Trump administration is
actually doing.
Every other government in the world is doing
because everyone wants to be China who's not
China's,
buy the best product. What is the best
product? They're not buying our product because they
like me or they like my speeches. Honestly,
he's wondering why he has to buy the
product from me too. He he just said
that everybody wants to be like China, just
so that's clear. I just think there's the
many things he says in this that are
him, I think, radically trying to, like, escape
this, and he's calling I mean, woke left,
woke right. The idea that he if we
understand that the US government, at the very
least, is striving to be like China, I
think we
already know that, that's just a a very
that's not what they wanted to say. That's
what I would think.
He he's not lying in this. Right. The
thing is that everybody in his world does
want it to be like China. That he's
just pulling off he's drawing off of every
everybody. Everybody in at Bilderberg,
everybody at the WEF, everybody in Silicon Valley,
you know, everybody
wants to be like China. No. No. No.
You guys want it to be like China.
The rest of us want nothing
to do with it. But he's so in
the cult that
in
his world, it's everybody.
It's a great point. And just that speaks
to just them being completely out of touch.
You know? This might as well be different
species today in the billionaire oligarch elitist and
everybody else. I mean, there there is a
very interesting distance that has developed in that
regard.
They buy it because I'm going to make
your company
really, really financially strong, more secure,
more efficient, increase the revenues. Why does the
why does the US government buy the product?
First of all, it's a product. It's not
a waste of time service, BS thing that
can be abused. By the way, we lost
so much revenue in the last twenty years
because people wanted to buy things that could
be abused. It's really hard to abuse Palantir.
You could do services. Who knows what a
services company is doing with your data? Or
you could do what the New York Times
does or consumer Internet does. You could resell
the data and productize your users. By the
way, there's a high correlation between productizing your
users and selling them woke pagan BS.
That's a good point. What are you doing
at the IRS? That with Palantir, but you
can't That was the IRS was one example.
Yeah. You know, we have so many contracts
in the US government. I mean, I'll tell
you, I I without the specifics, I can
tell you exactly what we're doing in the
IRS. We're going to use a very the
most secure platform in the world to make
to replace inept software with cheaper, better software
that is more efficient. That's what we're doing.
I assume at the IRS, we have so
many contracts. I know that's what we're doing
here. That's what we're doing with 71% of
growth. You know what we're doing in the
DOD? We're scaring the bejeebers, I'm trying not
to use the f word, out of our
adversaries
by making them scared at night. And you
know how we're doing it? By installing productized
software that runs algorithms
against data that's been lawfully collected, and you
can't unlawfully use it. You are surveilling Americans.
I'm glad we cleared that up at the
end of the interview when you said in
the beginning that you weren't surveilling Americans flatly.
That seems relevant.
I I think that in the new Terminator
movie, they they come they come back to
get him, don't they? He's the guy that
that that they come back from the future.
Right? That's the guy that they've made the
calculation. We gotta take him out.
Missed that up. There we go. Making a
quick stop at Curtis Yarvin's house.
How do I just pick that up? Hold
on. How do I get back to the
right spot here?
There we go. So sorry. I just hit
the wrong button there. But this this was
the extension of the point is that on
Wired this is this is yesterday. Palantir is
going on defense, and that doesn't mean working
with the defense department. Like, their Palantir threatened
to call the police on a Wired reporter
and kicked out the other journalist from a
recent conference following reports on, you know, what's
going on right now. They're analytics with the
Trump administration. So this is, again, as we've
been pointing out, this is not what it
looks like
to,
you know, explain that you're being misrepresented,
especially with the most powerful backing and friends
in the world. Like, why would he feel
so like, I just get the sense that
they are concerned. And I know that's it's
all it's not really in our benefit to
think that because, you know, I who knows?
But I get that sense that that's desperation.
I don't know what you guys think. And
all these kind of moves show that they're,
you know, circling the wagons to a degree.
Anybody disagree or confirm? What do you think?
I
I I'd be very careful if I were
a reporter digging into Palantir.
You know what I mean? That that's a
it's an extremely dangerous company.
And and for you know, you may work
at Wired, and you think you're gonna do
a story.
This is
these guys are
are
they're just
dangerous.
And and
this is a very,
I don't know, important time for people to
be paying attention to what's going on. Unfortunately,
they're not. I I feel the
vast majority of people are falling asleep at
the wheel, but,
I would I would say pre continue the
pressure, especially if you've got a video interview
with a guy like Alex Karp or Peter
Thiel. Get,
like, treat it like a police interrogation.
Keep that guy talking as much as he
can. The more he says, the more he
steps on his dick over and over again
and says something that, you know, like, everybody
wants to be like China. Not supposed to
say that. That's not supposed to come out.
That's not what you that's that's not the
messaging that you want. I I honestly if
I were I'm not trying to give these
guys any ideas, but from my media training
background,
I get this guy as far away from
television cameras as possible. Right. And he would
be the last interview we ever did. Doesn't
that add noise going to this, though? Like,
so what why that's I think something asked
all the time when you see them do
something bullet ridiculous or, you know, a politician
does something. You know, like, where are their
handlers? Don't they say that's not the right
thing to do? And it makes you wonder
then why that's not all encompassing, but why
they would. You know? And so in this
case, why are we seeing this happen? Why
are these people being chosen to put out
front? It makes me question whether they're which,
you know, I think, that there's an outside
influence
that is in whether collapsing this country or
overtaking it or manipulating policy. I think that
may be a large part of it. I
don't think our current government,
as we see it, is truly dictating everything
that's happening here. That's the
go ahead. Go ahead. There are, like, systems
have redundancies in place. They have fail safes.
You know? Like,
to make a historical comparison, there was the,
the quiz show scandal in the late fifties,
early sixties, in which congress started investigating the
quiz shows. And the response was to wheel
out the contestants that had cheated under probably
instruction from abuse and everything, and they were
made to, you know, apologize and everything. And
everyone started talking about the contestants. No rules
really changed, and nobody really cared.
In this situation, you have Palantir, which is
getting some negative press.
So what do you do? You wheel out
captain Crazy Arms to spout nonsense on MSNBC
for two hours, and suddenly he becomes associated
with Palantir completely. He's the one defending it.
He gets kicked out by his board or
he gets sent down on some trumped up
corruption thing and people can say the problem
has resolved itself.
Palantir can be broken up. Palantir doesn't exist
anymore, but instead we'll have Baradir.
We'll have Baradir Communications and they will take
over the staff and take over the technology,
but they won't be Palantir anymore, and people
will consider things to have changed.
Yeah. Then you can say the same thing
with Elon Musk and and Trump that, you
know, that that kind of idea could be
applied to any of these. That's an excellent
point.
It's already happened with Eric Prince and Blackwater
and now Academy.
Right. And now Eric Prince is, you
know, up to his neck in,
the private prison in El Salvador game
along with sending a 50 Mercs to Haiti
in the last week and a half and
whole bunch of other fun stuff.
And, yeah, all he had to do was
rebrand a little bit. It's a little rebranding
goes a long way. Really does. Yeah.
Well, let let's go ahead and get into
the kind of ask the final part of
this in regard to the as I see,
the AI element of it all. And the
the possibility, as my mind goes to, of
as what where I think the large part
of this is is simply AI government.
Not necessarily AI governance, which is part of
what's happening now using the GSAI bot and
different things, the commerce point in the bill,
but, like, an AI government
kinda kind of idea. And or any other
direction you wanna take it in. Palantir, AI,
how that applies. Before we jump in, I'll
just read a couple of things from a
great article that The Off Guardian put out
recently, just just general points I thought were
interesting. And it simp they simply wrote that
this is this isn't about protecting freedom. That
seems to be the very clear overlap to
all of this. It's about rendering freedom obsolete,
and I thought that was a very perfect
way to think about that. As well as
Palantir itself admits that its mission is to
augment human decision making. And so I think
that that you just can't miss, especially with
the bill aspect, whether it goes through senate
or not, that that's what they're putting forward.
So anybody wanna jump in where you wanna
go with it? Go ahead.
You know, I just wanna talk about the
AI aspect because, again, that's making, you know,
mainstream media or mainstream alternative media that in
this big beautiful bill,
supposedly, you're gonna have this ten year window
where
AI cannot be prosecuted
or you can't sue it, etcetera, etcetera.
I think that's almost a moot point. I
think that's just solidifying or codifying what's already
been going on
from first Trump administration
into the Biden administration,
especially with the chief artificial intelligence
officer program and now into the Trump administration.
I have literally heard nobody else in media
talk about the CAIO
program that clearly line outlines
that you have the intelligence community and the
defense community,
and they are allowed to do with whatever
they want with AI, and it is
unauditable.
And then their subsidiaries that they work with.
Everybody else
has to have a chief
artificial intelligence officer put into their private company
that has a security clearance, and they can
be audited at all times.
That means there will literally be no innovation
outside
of government innovation.
And it is that kind of walled garden
that Marc Andreessen
alluded to. But in in
I have not seen how it's been fixed.
You know? I I've only seen how it's
getting worse and worse and worse. It's because
he thinks the good elitists, which are them,
are gonna save you. And you'll be in
the same place, though, but they'll just rule
the way we that's what he basically argues.
And, again, when you when you have that
walled garden
where in order to
use this software or develop hardware, you have
to have constant government oversight in a classified
realm. I
there's no way there's no way
that you can become there there there's no
capitalist model there. Right? Unless
it's not it's fascist. Right? I mean, we're
gonna pick the winners and losers.
You get out of line. We're gonna put
you out of business.
I've said it before. I'm gonna say it
again. Really, the last tech the last real
technology company
that made a big splash
that wasn't government subsidized
was YouTube,
and they got bought up by Google, which
is just a a rebrand of the government.
Right? I mean, that's I I can't name
another one that's had a huge impact
socially
or,
basically, technologically.
Can can anybody out there in a commercial
sense that that hasn't been hampered or pushed
by the government?
No. Because if you need government,
you know, if you you need licensing,
you you always fall
in some way, you wind up under the
thumb of the government.
You you have to do what they say
in order to get the licensing or I'm
no. It it's
I can't think of one.
I don't know one. So, again, I think
that we're in a really odd spot.
Artificial intelligence is becoming more and more commercially
available in many other avenues.
Video creation,
I'm using it for my thumbnails.
Obviously, you have the chat GPTs of the
world. We just did our panel on AI,
and a lot of that was the talk
of using it for research.
If you're now going to be feeding these
language models,
certain types of information and
you're going to try to utilize
lower and lower power I mean, you look
at DeepSeek in China. Right? Just the fact
that it was able to run on lower
power.
To have that walled off from the public
is extremely dangerous, especially with the deceptive nature
of AI. But
it also you know, forget about the resource
allocation.
Forget about the automation.
Think of the narrative management.
Like, you know, the AI in essence, the
approved AI, is going to tell us what's
real and what's not,
what's a deepfake and what's not.
And we're already seeing it create you know,
some of it's fun.
You know, I talked about it the other
day. I love a good parody song.
Some of these videos are entertaining.
I'm sure everybody saw
that door
brothers video that went viral with, you know,
Mark Zuckerberg as a a lizard person and
Donald Trump at a swingers party and Kamala
Harris as a contest. To to me, though,
all that is the we'll make their arms
work again Neuralink, which is true, maybe, but
that's not really what it's really all about.
You know? It's like that's the that's the
window dressing to get you that's the bread
and circuses as they, you know, recreate history
on a digital level in the background. You
know? Whatever we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's the backbone of the the trust
era
for the product.
Yeah. Well, again, like I said, that's the
stuff that's been able to go viral and
kind of pierce may maybe our arena. Right?
I wouldn't say it's mainstreaming.
But in short order, again, we're gonna see
more and more of this stuff. It is
gonna be advocated
as real,
and the AI is gonna constantly tell us
that it's real. And how many people aren't
questioning a damn thing? How many kids right
now are going to chat GPT
to finish up their homework? It it's a
lot more
than people think. And, you know, a lot
of people don't realize that they can take
Copilot
off Windows. Now I'm not saying Windows is
perfect or that it's not a defense you
know, Microsoft isn't a defense company. But most
people aren't even thinking
of opting out, let alone figuring it out.
They're embracing it. And I think that's a
huge issue.
And and, again, that walled garden is the
big issue because, yeah, we're talking about Palantir
mostly today, but how many people are talking
about that walled garden and what it means
for all of these companies, military industrial complex,
or otherwise?
Jason, you mentioned how YouTube was doing this
technology and then it wound up getting acquired
by Google. I can I can envision a
scenario in which in the future,
there becomes a company
who is
known as the gold standard for telling you
whether it's AI fake or whether it's real?
And it just gets everybody knows that that's
who you go to. That's the Google it.
Right? Well, whatever this new company is, do
that to it. Right? And it gets known
for it. And then that company will get
subverted and compromised or bought or maybe even
created from out of thin air
with with an understanding that that's gonna be
the role of
it. Yeah. You you yeah. The fact checker
when the AI fact checker, the gold standard
of AI fact checking is actually
compromised. But if you wanna do that the
right way,
then you you need to you need to
be accurate for a while. Right? You need
to be a % great at it, and
then maybe it drops off to 95%.
And then, you know, maybe it's just a
little here, a little tweak there, but you've
always gotta maintain
that it's that it's working. You've gotta you've
gotta do it that way in order to
suck people in.
And then they'll as soon as they develop
this level of trust where they outsource their
thinking to this and they run it through
their their brand new AI bullshit detector, then
it goes, well, it came back as good.
Well, maybe it is good.
But maybe what if it's that one little
sliver? Maybe it's just in a in an
area that you never even touched, but it
has to do with the videos you see
coming out of Israel or something like that.
That that's where they
I can see that being the next
technological,
you know, transformative company
that we wind up,
trusting
in the future
only to be bamboozled by it. Well, remember
Real real quickly, that's a very prescient statement
for those out there watching. I think we
all probably agree with that right now. It's
a really well great point. So make a
note of that, save that clip. That's gonna
come to pass. Again, I I would argue
it's gonna be the whole, you know, they
created it as a front kinda thing, probably
an Israeli company as far as I'm concerned.
But anyway, go ahead, Jason. Well, I'm just
saying right now, like, kind of an offshoot
of that is Sam Altman's World ID company.
Yeah. Yeah. Of course. You know, you know,
this is not only putting you on the
blockchain as a person, but it's ensuring that
you are not a deep fake, that you
are not a computer generation. And it's doing
so by taking your biometric
information, you integrating
on this blockchain
network. And I'm not sure how far it's
gonna go, but, again, they've taken the Orb,
and they've made the Orb Mini that looks
a lot more like a a cell phone,
which we're acclimated to. You know? The Lochnar
was a tough sell,
and they've moved to The United States.
They've gone to some pretty hip and cool
spots. Remember,
initially, when this launched, two or three years
ago, they did have a spot where you
could scan yourself at the bottom of the
World Trade Center. You'd go down the escalators.
It was in this kiosk and shop. Now
they're in LA.
Now they're in Austin, Texas.
Now they're in Nashville. Ryan, you can go
down. You can go check one out right
now. They're trying to integrate it. When you
start seeing commercials
pop up for it on TV or in
your YouTube ads, I think that's where they're
gonna be mainlining it even more.
But I think that Charlie's right. There's gonna
be other companies that jump in with this
technology as well. It doesn't necessarily mean
monetizing people or biometrics. It could be just
based on those deep fake videos interactions. It's
not just gonna be videos.
You know, I don't do it. I don't
do the video calls. Like, I've had a
couple girlfriends over the years. They're pissed because
I don't have an I iPhone. I FaceTimed
literally zero times in my life. But how
many people is that their main line of
communication to somebody
other than texting.
I think that's something that's gonna be hacked
in the next three to five years, that
you're gonna get a FaceTime call. I mean,
forget about the terrible bot fishes that wanna
meet you in Thailand and think you're cute.
Right? But, like, those have gone from your
spam DMs
to what? Phone calls sometimes.
I see them in Telegram all the time.
I get text messages on my phone. What
if that's a lifelike being? You know, that's
almost the argument for Worldcoin right now, but
I think it's gonna be the argument for
a bunch of other tech.
That being said, gentlemen,
I do have to run. I hate to
wrap it a little bit short. I wanna
thank everybody over at the IMA panel. You
guys are kick ass. I can't wait to
do the next one.
And, everybody can check me out everywhere at
Jason Bermas, b e r m a s.
I sent you a shade in the DM
so you can share it with everybody. Thanks,
guys. Awesome.
Well, it's probably a good place to generally
wind down, but I feel like what what
I what let's if we could give, some
solutions in your mindset around, you know, AI
in general. Like so I I think the
big point is just to lay that out
there. We we already touched on the idea
of how the artificial intelligence aspect of this
is becoming all consuming. And from a global
perspective, obviously, as well, but from a US
perspective with the database discussion, you know, the
idea of the weird overlap of Doge and
efficiency and AI government and where that seems
to go, you know, if you have any
more thoughts just on that in general, I
think it's important that we flesh that out.
But what, you know, what what do you
see going forward in the future? You have
any thoughts on what people can do to
pull themselves away or just kind of end
wherever you'd like? Well, I mentioned earlier that
the Panopticon works because people self regulate. So
the obvious solution that I can present to
that would be not to. You know? Simply
simply don't. Simply don't self censor because you're
afraid that something might happen. I think it's
the only thing you can really think.
And I would take not exactly a solution,
but I would take some positivity out of
the idea of
harvesting all the data on the Internet because
I don't think that's necessarily useful.
Like, you have to have processing power to
pass this data. You know, there has to
be a trust that the data is accurate.
Like,
you could scrape all the dating websites across
the Internet, and you'd find out that the
average person is six foot one, a hundred
and seventy pounds, and nobody was born before
1979.
But, like, how useful is any of that
data? And then that that will clash with
data you have in other databases. So there
is, like, there is such a thing as,
like, hoarding data for data's sake, and I
think they are at that point. And I'm
not sure really how much practical use they
can put it to yet.
It's a good point, but I will I
will add that they at least the argument
was that the reason it progressed beyond, like,
using AI on XAI or on Twitter, which
is the same thing now, is is because
as you point out rightly, it's it takes,
like, even Grok has shown that, that it
takes a level of of, you know, there
there's it's a grade score based on any
people just write online, I'm whatever, you know,
and that gets added to whether that might
be the reality, and a lot of you
lie on social media. And so it's not
as high level, but they argue that the
government level data that they've had had access
to, it's the gold standard of data. Maybe
not to the point you're saying, but, you
know, you have, you know, the the claim.
You've got the follow through. You've got the
outcome. You know, you've got it's it's really
hard to deny that that gives you at
least the best possible picture if it's even
possible to do what they're trying to achieve
as what you would argue it may not
be. But I think it's it's a great
point, but I I worry that that might
have been why they bull rushed into this
position. You know?
I think James Corbett would tell everybody to
salt their information
to the extent that they can. Make sure
that you're not giving
up
your privacy or your information.
Kinda hard these days, but he meant he
tells a story of how he gets a
message
once a year from a bunch of random
people that wishing him happy birthday. It's because
that's just the date he picked on, like,
Skype.
You know? That that that was his birthday
when they asked him. And and and so,
you know,
I think it's it's a good point. Information
overload, sure. There's I think that
they could drown in data overload here. That
that that they've got all this, but they
don't really know what what to do with
it. I would also, you know, remind people
that
there is a level of incompetence too. And
once you get a machine as big as
the American government or the empire, you know,
that
that there's a lot of
inadequacies. There's a lot of people that that
you know, a lot of sections that don't
talk to each other. So
it's
we should be aware of it,
of course, and we should be,
paying attention and
moving our positioning ourselves out of the way
to the extent that we can. But also,
they make a lot of mistakes. You know,
they they could have a 10 step plan
to tyranny,
but if they can't get off of the
third step in this, then what good is,
you know, the rest of it? So so
if we need to make things as difficult
for them as possible, obviously, do not comply
where you can, where you can't. I mean,
I I get this
minor,
you know,
point every time I fly. When they go
when you go through and look into the
camera, I go, no. I opt out.
Oh, okay. You know? Would are they collecting
my there's 18 cameras that caught me walking
in the airport and walking to the am
I on camera? Of course, I'm on camera.
But I'm not looking in in that camera
simply because you want me to, and I
don't have to. And it's optional for now,
which at some point won't be. So
don't make it easy for them. You know,
don't walk into their their we're already sort
of stuck in this to the extent, you
know, we can't necessarily get out of all
of it.
But
make it hard and and and don't give
them anything.
You're here. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't agree more.
Do you know, you can conduct
a lot of your business, if not most
of your business, in person with one other
person, and you don't have to do it
online. You don't have to do it over
the phone. You don't have to do it
through
third party payment processors.
You know?
Most of it. Some of it, you know,
if you you whatever.
But
you can take steps every single day that
help get you a little bit further away
from,
you know,
the state in terms of what their reach
and their impact is on you. And,
just about everybody
involved here has been screaming about this for
a very long time, and,
everybody's own, you know, websites and shows are
a wealth of resources
for how you can do this going back
for quite a while now.
So it's a a really cool thing to
be a part of all this.
Yeah. Absolutely. And I think we've had a
lot of important discussion today and a lot
of great points were made. And I definitely
think that that, you know, we're we're the
same message from everybody. You know, it's just
it's important today that we are
skeptical.
Right? There's a lot of reasons to be
concerned about where this goes. None of us
have a crystal ball. We don't know exactly
what's coming. But as Steve says, we've been
calling this out for a long time in
a lot of specific ways that are exactly
happening. And so right now, I think it's
an important inflection point where you can see
this partisan kind of explosion. And and I
think as usual, as we've seen from kind
of the last few, I think, clumsy events,
people get just shaken free. And I I
think they get more a little bit more
concerned about that. And maybe I'm maybe that's
wishful thinking. Maybe I'm completely wrong. But I
feel that. I sense that. And I think
every agenda that keeps happening from COVID to
now, people are just not buying it. And
I think you get the erratic Alice carps
out there that everything's fine, you know. And
so I think it's important just to be
skeptical about all this, to be aware of
where it goes, and don't just follow along.
As Charlie says, don't do the old, well,
they already have everything, so why not even
if that's true,
don't make it that easy for them. Right?
You don't know what's coming next. You don't
know what that last thing could mean. And
I'll just leave it with the point that
re you have to realize how all encompassing
this truly is and how long it's been
happening. You know, it's the idea of health
care we didn't even touch on today. Right?
You got this overlap of Palantir and tele
teletracking. You got Palantir and Tiberias, which was
Biden's administration into Trump's administration. You got all
these different overlaps and it is all literally
coming together. And I can't
not see that as
any one of the part as the whole
thing being the entire agenda. Not one element
of it, but all of it together because
this is bigger than health. It's bigger than
policing. It's bigger than all it is it
is bigger than we've seen. And I genuinely
think this is whether we're talking about the
Patriot Act kind of surveillance state into the
technocratic state and the surveillance aspect they're in,
whatever you see it is, just, you know,
help inform people, give them information here, look
through the source material we provide, which I
will after we're done, and help us fight
this because I genuinely think this is going
in a very, very dangerous direction. And I'll
point out things like this as well. US
proven CRISPR food.
The idea that there's now a overlap of
convergence of CRISPR and artificial intelligence and the
paradigm shift therein, and the idea that this
is now being you you know, you can
see the idea with AI with making new
injections that nobody wants, AI with food that
we didn't want before when it was Bill
Gates. I mean, it's it's be I guess
because the AI overlap, it's suddenly somehow different.
I'll shout out the article I mentioned earlier
from off Guardian, Trump's Palantir powered surveillance is
turning America into a digital prison. So I
hope everybody could gain from this today. We
will be having a lot more panels coming
your way. Thank you all for being here.
And as always, question everything. Come to your
own conclusions.
Stay vigilant.