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We're gonna be discussing the idea of the

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What an illusion of choice does, it establishes

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the baseline assumptions that nobody

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questions. This is part of the fifth generation

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warfare that we've talked about, voting for the

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lesser of two evils. Definitely an emotional, psychological

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trap that people are in. You're cheerleading for

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an insane ideology

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because you think you're winning. The role we

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have is media. How do we help everybody

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understand this is theater, and you need to

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get back into the real world? If you're

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opposed to get ginned, you should oppose it

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regardless of who's selling it to you.

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Friday, 06/06/2025.

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Welcome to the Independent Media Alliance. We're here

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to discuss Palantir. Obviously,

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not even much more is needed to explain

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what that conversation regard is regarding today, seeing

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as how it's

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everywhere. In a very interesting way, it seems

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to have consumed even the corporate media conversation,

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and so we thought it was very relevant

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to have this panel to discuss,

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you know, the from start to finish, you

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know, where this came from, what it's about,

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how it built into what it is now,

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where it seems to be going, and a

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identity politics around it all. So I thought

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it'd be interesting to start with, of course,

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the briefly discuss the interesting kind of feud

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between the two, not because of the,

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you know, the entertainment of it all, but

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because of how interesting the timing is between

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Elon Musk and Donald Trump and how that

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might relate to the Palantir point. And so

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I've I've I'll go ahead and just start

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with my point that I think it's interesting,

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the timing of how this feud played out.

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I personally think that it seems very like,

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there are elements that seem to be some

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kind of a personality clash. I thought that

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was obvious with their egos, but I'm not

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really buying. It feels some of it feels

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a little bit staged, and I'm just wondering

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if that might be done to pull away

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from the very clear awareness from all sides,

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including the corporate media, which I don't take

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at face value, of the Palantir database. So

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just whoever wants to jump in, what are

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your thoughts on that?

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I'll just share real quick.

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It's been interesting the last week because I

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I noticed, you know, right away the spike

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discussion around Palantir

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and, you know, on Twitter and everywhere else.

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And I was like, okay. What's going on?

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And found the New York Times story,

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which, by the way, I think myself, Whitney,

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and others here reported essentially everything that's in

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there other than them claiming

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according to some anonymous sources this is going

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on. I know I did videos when Trump

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fast, did that first executive order that they

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which is kind of removing some barriers between

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different agencies.

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yeah, watch that play out, not only as

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you said, Ryan, in the mainstream, but then

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the way MAGA is treating it. And I'm

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sure we're gonna get more into this, but,

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you know, just off the top of my

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head, the ones I'm sure you guys have

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all heard that we already have surveillance. This

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is no big deal. What are you guys

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tripping about? Like, it's not any different. So

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whatever. You know? Or the, of course, Q

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and other hope you crowd.

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This is actually to surveil the deep state.

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They're not gonna be spying on regular people.

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of the deep state agents are involved in

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these crimes. Yes. There are articles

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and substacks and things of that sort and

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Twitter threads all claiming that. So, yeah, it's

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been interesting to watch this. Of course, I

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think in general, the fact that everybody's talking

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about Palantir,

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probably a good thing. And, of course, you

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know, there's a lot more angles. But, yeah,

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that's been my initial thoughts this first week

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or so that everyone's

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finally waking up to it.

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the one who usually calls, like, the MMA

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fights and stuff like that, but I feel

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like what's happening

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deserves

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like it's more of like a Sunday, Sunday,

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Elon Musk versus Donald Trump

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in the scores

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circle. You know? And then all of the

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sudden, they're gonna wind up being tag team

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partners in, like, three weeks.

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out, and somebody's gonna get flipped over a

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table like Vince McMahon did, you know, back

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when Donald Trump flipped him over a table.

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Maybe someone ritualistically

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shaved

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head. Maybe we get the full cartoon out

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of it. But what this looks like to

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me at the moment when the only company

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that Elon Musk owns that isn't fully subsidized

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by US tax papers through federal government contracts

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in Tesla was tanking,

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all of the sudden, now he's mad at

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Donald Trump. And like clockwork,

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liberals are like, oh, well, Elon's mad at

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Donald Trump. I guess we like him again.

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We'll go ahead and buy Tesla. And, I

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it it is

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predictability

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to the point of laughability

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except for it's actually happening

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in the world that we live in.

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in Marin County,

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where, like, we've driven by Elon Musk protests

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and the big Tesla dealership right up the

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the entire time. So to watch the fallout

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as scripted as I believe it is,

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it is still it's got high entertainment value.

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on it because, you know,

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I I do wonder how much of this

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even if it is real, does it matter?

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Are any of his defense contracts going away?

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underground bases?

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tossing around in the media about NASA and

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SpaceX and SpaceX leaving NASA. It can't leave

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NASA. That's not a real thing. That's like

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imagination land times a thousand.

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and he was talking about the big beautiful

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bill and the part of the Golden Dome

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initiative inside of it. And I've been doing

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videos on this even before the bill that

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this is essentially, to me, is a software

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update of the capabilities that were put out

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there in the eighties and nineties.

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in UFO lore,

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who was the head of this program, and

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and and baselining

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what reality was versus fiction there. And, of

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actually happening. Like, that's a big push. I

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think they're doing that no matter what bill

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I don't know whether that's

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really a contention with Musk or he feels

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like he's getting cut out.

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is an extension of that program. It is

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the commercial program. The defense department has a

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backdoor into it. And when they launch those

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satellites, which, again, the highest concentration right now,

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of the dishes is still in Ukraine

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because it's not just communication systems. It's directly

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into those AI drones

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that I'm sure we're gonna be discussing that

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you also have to realize that DARPA has

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been putting up their blackjack network through Musk.

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how much Musk is really running these companies

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in the first place. And even with Tesla,

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car part, but we have to also realize

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that they're,

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the autonomous robot company as well.

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humanoid

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Optimus bot. So I I think a lot

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of this is smoke and mirrors. You know,

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was getting some main stain play and pushback

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from the new conservative

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which I think is a good thing.

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to which they're already involved.

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we could talk about that mostly, like, where

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they all already are at and all these

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vying for

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supremacy.

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I think that they're vying for their spot

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as the next Raytheon, Lockheed Martin,

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in that circle, but that's my opinion.

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Oh, well, don't sense Jason Baster's joining. Oh,

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he's gonna jump in right there. I was

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gonna say next.

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Nice to have you on for the first

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time on the panels, brother. So go ahead

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and jump in. Thank you, man. Yeah. Nice

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to be with you guys. A bunch of

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legends in here. Yeah. I was just gonna

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point out briefly that don't forget Trump and

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Elon were kind of at odds with each

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other even before the bromance began. Like, I

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remember Trump said something like, Musk is a

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bullshit artist.

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Musk said that Trump is too old to

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run. So I don't know if they've really

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this, the connection to begin with. Maybe this

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was all just the smoke and mirrors. Maybe

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this is all just the optics and the

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facade. You know? And,

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yeah, Palantir, obviously, as Derek pointed out, we

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mentioned here already, like, was blowing up. I

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mean, I I've gotten more traction on just

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the past few days on my Twitter account

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than I have in a couple months talking

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about Palantir.

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yeah. They were questioning it. Like, they they

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thought it was fake news coming from the

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New York Times, rightfully so. But it just

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goes to show how far behind they are,

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the ball, when it comes to Palantir and

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these topics and

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the technocracy and everything that's kind of going

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hand in hand with AI and this infrastructure

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being built behind the scenes.

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And if it was a distraction, this whole

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Elon Trump thing, it'd certainly be good timing

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because the right is kind of clueless to

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all this. So, like, when would there be

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a better time to, you know, throw this

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out there? And, maybe, yeah, the bromance is

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over because the theatrics and the show of

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the election's over, and they had to kind

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of break it off anyway and go their

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separate separate routes. And I know, Derek pointed

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out, my my rebuttal tweet on,

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Elon's

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bombshell post there, which basically was like, this

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is you know, the only path that you

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have left, Elon, is to go towards volunteerism.

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And not necessarily because I thought he was

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going to do that, but it was more

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just a plug for the ideology itself.

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But, yeah, all this to me, it it

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definitely seems suspicious, and it seems like perfect

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timing to really cover up the the conversation

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that seemed to be formulating about Palantir.

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Well, if anybody else wants to comment on

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it, we don't know how to you know,

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if I think a lot of that's been

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addressed, but if you want us to jump

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in, Kid or or Charlie, go ahead. I'll

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I'll just add that I think that I

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think both are possible. You know? I they

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can I agree with what you said there,

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Jason? I don't think I mean, let's not

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forget it. Most of his inner circle

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right before they got inside the inner circle

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were, like, Trump's an idiot. He's a grifter.

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You know? All of them, including, you know,

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JD Vance and, you know, and everybody, Elon

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Musk. And so maybe they never really liked

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each other. You know, maybe they always hate

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each other, but they also work together. So

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I'm of the mind that there's a larger

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one government agenda.

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And so it's hard not to see some

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of this ego kind of split being real,

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but it also could be you know, both

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can be true is the point. And I

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think that's what we can tell. You know,

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you didn't mention one important name that I

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think is, like, the name we need to

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mention, Peter Thiel. You know, talk about leaving.

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You know, Peter Thiel was his technology

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adviser

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in the first administration.

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Then when it was very clear

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that there was massive corruption in the twenty

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twenty election. You'd already seen Thiel distancing himself,

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but he totally and completely abandoned him at

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that point. And you didn't really hear much

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from the Thiel crowd, I would say, until

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about eighteen months before the election, I think

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when they realized, hey.

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Maybe he's not going to jail. Maybe he's

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gonna beat these things. Maybe we get him

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on board. Then all of a sudden, Vance

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comes into the picture. That is Peter Thiel,

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Palantir one zero one.

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And then,

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I mean, you really saw they say it's

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Barron Trump. Barron said, you know, podcast and

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pop. That's what you need to do.

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I question that. You know? I'm not saying

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that his kid's not smart and that wasn't

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brought in and maybe pushed him into it,

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but that very, very much

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looked like a concerted effort

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by,

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I would say, the new the new technocrats,

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if you will, to push him in that

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arena. I mean, when you saw feel alone

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on Joe Rogan just before the old Trump

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star, and they're talking Epstein, which is another,

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obviously, huge part

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of this thing that we're talking about right

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now, I knew something was up. And I

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I kind of already realized

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that, you know, Trump on this podcast tour

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was going to end at Rogan, and lo

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and behold,

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that's exactly what happened. And what was that

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what was that a predecessor,

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by? Elon Musk on there as well. So

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I I think it's almost impossible, right, not

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to talk about these things. I think there

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are personality and power clashes. You know, another

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big thing happening right now is that Theo

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is about to meet with, his, quote, unquote,

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left wing counterpart, Eric Schmidt, and now Jen

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Stoltenberg, who is a steering member on Bilderberg

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in Sweden next,

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next week. You know? And that's not being

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talked about by any of the alt media.

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There's literally not one mainstream

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story on the upcoming meeting.

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God bless Charlie Skelton, Dan Dix, and others

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that are going out to cover it because

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this year is really important.

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Well, I Yeah. I'll just add one more

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thing related. No worries.

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I just wanna add one thing to the

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just to the whole few thing before we

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kinda move full on to Palantir and Peter

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Thiel,

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that

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just to for those who out there, you

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know, my personal belief, I think maybe most

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of us, but I know we have different

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opinions is that Trump has been an op

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from the beginning. That's my long time belief

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for any potential positive. And I think that's

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been born out over time, like him being

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brought in to be a disruptor,

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because of, you know, all these relationships and

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and things that they may have on him.

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But for those who don't have that view

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in the audience and who are more inclined

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to think Trump is

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good or good to some degree, things of

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that sort of thing, and and believe that

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it's the deep state even in the form

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of Elon Musk working against him. I saw

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a theory out there that I think is

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worth at least throwing, you know, putting into

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people's consciousness and the idea that

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even if Trump was fully Musk and, you

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know, the technocrats and, you know, the people

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really pulling the strings, or even if there

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was some kind of differences, I do think

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what Jason said is accurate that it's not

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whether they get along or not doesn't necessarily

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mean that they fully agree on everything. I

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tend to tell people the ruling class is

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going to agree with each other,

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over the people every day of the week.

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That doesn't mean they get along every day

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and don't have their own disagreements. But when

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it comes to the people or them, they're

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gonna choose to work together and collaborate. And

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so with that in mind, if you do

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have this mindset that Trump was

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trying to fight the deep state, one viewpoint

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is that Musk and maybe teal and others

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who we know have a relationship,

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going back to the PayPal mafia, and as

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Jason mentioned, deal with JD Vance. We all

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know he funded JD Vance's senate run,

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and he Peter Thiel did in the end

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come out last year and say that he

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supported Trump and,

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and Vance. He wasn't gonna give money, but

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he did indirectly give money in other ways.

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But, nevertheless,

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if you took that view, it could be

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possible that they helped Trump get in there,

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got all their minions in place because as

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I've reported, Doge is full of Palantir and

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Peter Thiel acolytes as is Trump's administration from

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Vance on down to many other powerful people,

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and, then

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stage

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or have a real breakup and break things

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off from Trump. And at that point, maybe

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they don't care because they've already got all

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their guys and all their pieces in place.

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Right? So that's a charitable view, I think,

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for the Trump folks. I don't really, again,

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see Trump as a hero defending, you know,

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the American people against the deep state. But

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either way, it could be that there's some

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element of that, that they've got everything done.

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The whole thing could just be a distraction

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to distract us as Jason Baster was saying

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that, you know, last week, everybody's talking about

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Palantir, and now it's about this. And is

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Trump in the Epstein files? And, I mean,

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that's a whole another thing. Right? But it's

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the trending thing of the week. And my

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belief and I think most of us here,

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we understand the way that the role that

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the algorithm plays. There's always gonna be some

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thing for us to be outraged

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every week or to be trending and for

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us to be talking about, and we're playing

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right into it in many ways. It's important

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to dissect them, but I do think the

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bigger picture is Palantir and the role that

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they're playing.

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Absolutely. And I I think the whole point

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of that being discussed is because it's hard

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to decouple these things. And I think, you

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know, whether it's just the, you know, the

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kind of theater of it all and whether

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that relates to the story or, you know,

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the

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the involvement of both of them in this

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large idea. And so to my point was

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that if you saw

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the the story coming out, in which we

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all know that Elon was, at least as

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now more so framed, was the, like, main

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reason that Thiel was involved with the administration.

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And you start to wonder if he's just

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kinda being framed as the scapegoat for why

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this all happened, even Palantir, even the database,

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yeah, everything, Doge, investigations.

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You know, I think some people would take

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that bait. And so I thought it was

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worth just kind of tossing that around to

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consider how that might play a factor. And

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so let's let's talk about in general, you

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know oh, and then I will I'll just

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show this too for since you guys mentioned

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it. This this was the statement that kind

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of did add a little bit of, like,

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that's hard to pretend like this would be

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stated if it wasn't you know, basically, Elon

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Musk just says time to drop the big

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bomb and says that Trump's in the Epstein

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files, which is what we're referring to. So

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it's hard to

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to see that as a play, but I

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do think they're in our desperate position. I

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think the Palantir discussion is really uncomfortable for

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the entire, you know, government, partisanship aside. So,

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let's start with a discussion of Palantir itself.

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If anybody wants to start, I mean, Derek,

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you're a good one to go to in

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regard to kind of the background. If you

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wanna

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just talk about what Palantir is and where

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it should come from. A couple of things.

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Well, I'd like to talk about the total

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information awareness kind of overlap and where it

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got to today. So anybody wants to jump

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in, but go ahead, Derek. You can start.

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Should we have everybody introduce themselves too as

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well? I saw some comments asking who different

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faces are because I know we've got couple

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new people. Sure. Yeah. I think they're asking

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about myself and Kit and Jason. Well, just

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maybe as you go around, not necessarily right

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this second, but I they were asking about

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me and Kit and Jason. I'm Derek Rose

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from the Conscious Resistance Network.

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Yeah. So whoever.

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00:18:52,565 --> 00:18:55,525
Yo, everybody. Jason Bassler, Free Thought Project and

531
00:18:55,525 --> 00:18:56,505
Police the Police.

532
00:18:57,845 --> 00:19:01,144
Charlie Robinson from activist post and macro aggressions.

533
00:19:02,644 --> 00:19:04,184
Kid Knightley from Off Guardian.

534
00:19:08,309 --> 00:19:10,549
My name is t Snyder. You can find

535
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:13,029
me at conspiracysynergy.com.

536
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:13,849
There you go.

537
00:19:15,589 --> 00:19:17,930
Jason Burmes. I didn't realize it was backwards.

538
00:19:18,069 --> 00:19:20,390
I really hate these settings that mirror your

539
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:21,924
image for no reason. We're gonna try to

540
00:19:21,924 --> 00:19:23,365
save that. We all know where to find

541
00:19:23,365 --> 00:19:23,865
me.

542
00:19:24,805 --> 00:19:26,565
Just for that note, I just it's that's

543
00:19:26,565 --> 00:19:28,085
just my I I think it's important to

544
00:19:28,085 --> 00:19:29,525
do that. I'm just so adverse. I barely

545
00:19:29,525 --> 00:19:30,805
even say my name when I start my

546
00:19:30,805 --> 00:19:32,565
show. So that that's something. Feel free to

547
00:19:32,565 --> 00:19:33,684
do that every time, guys. And I you

548
00:19:33,765 --> 00:19:35,365
I did see someone ask about some some

549
00:19:35,365 --> 00:19:37,240
people there. So thank you, Derek. But back

550
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,440
to the point on that, if you wanna

551
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,039
jump in, I think it's important for those

552
00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:41,559
that may not know the, you know, kind

553
00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:44,359
of the connected point to total information awareness,

554
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,880
even today more so at main core and

555
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,319
kind of how it played a role before

556
00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:48,460
today. So go ahead.

557
00:19:49,795 --> 00:19:51,235
Yeah. That's actually where I want to start,

558
00:19:51,235 --> 00:19:52,355
and I do wanna credit,

559
00:19:52,755 --> 00:19:54,355
two people who are part of the IMA

560
00:19:54,355 --> 00:19:56,275
who are not here today, both James Corbett

561
00:19:56,275 --> 00:19:58,674
and Whitney Webb who've been Absolutely. Among others

562
00:19:58,674 --> 00:19:59,654
here writing about,

563
00:20:00,595 --> 00:20:02,695
writing about Palantir for some time. And so

564
00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:04,859
encourage people to go check out unlimited hangout.

565
00:20:04,859 --> 00:20:07,659
Whitney actually did a collaborative investigation with Jeremy

566
00:20:07,659 --> 00:20:09,579
Lofredo back in 2020

567
00:20:09,579 --> 00:20:11,200
called Palantir's Tiberias

568
00:20:11,579 --> 00:20:13,819
Race and the Public Health Panopticon. It was

569
00:20:13,819 --> 00:20:16,940
really about, like, the relation to COVID because

570
00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:18,319
there's a whole history there.

571
00:20:18,755 --> 00:20:20,355
There's a whole history of COVID, you know,

572
00:20:20,355 --> 00:20:21,095
and Palantir.

573
00:20:21,555 --> 00:20:23,235
But, what you're talking about, Ryan, I think

574
00:20:23,235 --> 00:20:25,475
is really the key point. And whoever doesn't

575
00:20:25,475 --> 00:20:26,995
have their mic muted, if you guys don't

576
00:20:26,995 --> 00:20:28,455
mind, I'm hearing a little feedback.

577
00:20:30,275 --> 00:20:32,529
The total information awareness program was started after

578
00:20:32,529 --> 00:20:35,190
09:11 for those who might not remember, and

579
00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:36,850
it's the one you've seen out there, I'm

580
00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:39,269
sure, that has the all seeing eye pyramid

581
00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:40,869
logo looking over the world.

582
00:20:41,170 --> 00:20:42,549
And because it was controversial,

583
00:20:43,024 --> 00:20:44,625
it's as weird as it sounds, and I

584
00:20:44,625 --> 00:20:46,144
keep trying to remind people of this, that

585
00:20:46,144 --> 00:20:48,065
just twenty years ago, people actually did give

586
00:20:48,065 --> 00:20:49,204
a crap about privacy.

587
00:20:49,744 --> 00:20:51,424
That's been lost in such a short time.

588
00:20:51,424 --> 00:20:53,664
But twenty years ago, even with all the

589
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nine eleven hysteria,

590
00:20:54,944 --> 00:20:57,044
a lot of people were concerned and were

591
00:20:57,279 --> 00:20:59,940
speaking out about this program that was

592
00:21:00,319 --> 00:21:01,539
was seeking to monitor

593
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,599
all of our lives in many ways that

594
00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:05,519
have now been achieved. So there was actually

595
00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:07,200
some pushback. It went from being called total

596
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,380
information awareness to the terrorist information,

597
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,920
awareness program. They had to change it to

598
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,054
try to soften it. But by the end

599
00:21:14,054 --> 00:21:16,534
of twenty, 02/2003, it ended up being shut

600
00:21:16,534 --> 00:21:18,775
down because of the controversy. Now that's at

601
00:21:18,775 --> 00:21:20,375
least the mainstream story. I think we all

602
00:21:20,375 --> 00:21:21,974
know that they just took the different pieces

603
00:21:21,974 --> 00:21:24,134
of the that program and kind of distributed

604
00:21:24,134 --> 00:21:25,434
them among different agencies.

605
00:21:25,734 --> 00:21:27,734
And it's around this time that Palantir is

606
00:21:27,734 --> 00:21:28,769
getting started. And,

607
00:21:29,170 --> 00:21:32,309
Whitney and Jeremy, they they mentioned this article

608
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from,

609
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I think it was 02/2003. It was a

610
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a New York magazine report that talked about

611
00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:40,309
how John Poindexter, who comes from US intelligence

612
00:21:40,369 --> 00:21:41,029
and military,

613
00:21:41,404 --> 00:21:43,164
he actually met up with Peter Thiel and

614
00:21:43,164 --> 00:21:45,164
Alex Karp, who, by the way, are both

615
00:21:45,164 --> 00:21:47,005
steering committee members of the Bilderberg group. And

616
00:21:47,005 --> 00:21:49,424
as Jason said, Bilderberg's getting ready to meet.

617
00:21:50,125 --> 00:21:53,085
And they met with the Poindexter. You know,

618
00:21:53,085 --> 00:21:55,085
they basically got all the tips and information

619
00:21:55,085 --> 00:21:57,024
they needed to start a private surveillance

620
00:21:57,539 --> 00:21:59,700
program that they couldn't do through the government

621
00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:02,180
with total information awareness. So they that's basically

622
00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:03,940
the start of Palantir. And, of course, besides

623
00:22:03,940 --> 00:22:05,559
Peter Thiel's own investments,

624
00:22:06,019 --> 00:22:08,180
the CIA's venture capital firm, In Q Tel,

625
00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:09,160
was their first

626
00:22:09,460 --> 00:22:11,480
investment. So from the beginning,

627
00:22:11,855 --> 00:22:12,994
from 2003

628
00:22:13,455 --> 00:22:15,775
or 02/2004, depend sometimes they say they were

629
00:22:15,775 --> 00:22:17,615
found in 02/2004. It looks like they may

630
00:22:17,615 --> 00:22:19,375
have been started earlier than they claim. There's

631
00:22:19,375 --> 00:22:21,795
a lot of kind of uncertainty about that.

632
00:22:21,934 --> 00:22:24,275
But, yeah, from the very beginning, the CIA

633
00:22:24,494 --> 00:22:26,994
through the venture capital firm and through Poindexter

634
00:22:27,609 --> 00:22:29,630
and the total information awareness program

635
00:22:30,009 --> 00:22:32,429
were directly intertwined and interconnected

636
00:22:33,049 --> 00:22:35,690
to Pallant Peter and Alex Karp and Peter

637
00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:37,609
Steele. And since then, of course, now twenty

638
00:22:37,609 --> 00:22:39,309
years later, they're very influential.

639
00:22:39,904 --> 00:22:42,304
They now have this massive relationship with Trump's

640
00:22:42,304 --> 00:22:45,444
second White House, and they're helping kill Palestinians.

641
00:22:45,664 --> 00:22:47,024
I mean, they're involved with all kinds of

642
00:22:47,024 --> 00:22:48,944
different things that we've been covering recently at

643
00:22:48,944 --> 00:22:50,865
TLAB, which is why I've started to call

644
00:22:50,865 --> 00:22:52,404
this the Palantir World Order.

645
00:22:56,980 --> 00:22:58,900
I think it's something crazy, like, 30 different

646
00:22:58,900 --> 00:22:59,400
agencies

647
00:23:01,140 --> 00:23:04,579
Palantir's interwoven themselves within. Yeah. Well, I mean,

648
00:23:04,579 --> 00:23:05,940
on that note well, then so go ahead

649
00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:07,244
and elaborate on that, Jason. Do you mean

650
00:23:07,244 --> 00:23:09,484
in regard to, like, previously in in just

651
00:23:09,484 --> 00:23:12,045
the overlap or specifically with, like, the AI

652
00:23:12,045 --> 00:23:14,605
data mining discussion of today? Because it's gotten

653
00:23:14,605 --> 00:23:15,744
even worse with that.

654
00:23:16,725 --> 00:23:19,005
I don't know that for sure, but, I

655
00:23:19,005 --> 00:23:20,445
I do know that as, you know, Derek

656
00:23:20,445 --> 00:23:22,059
was just saying that has been something that's

657
00:23:22,059 --> 00:23:24,299
been going on through the Obama administration, through

658
00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:26,720
the Biden administration, that the first Trump administration.

659
00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:28,559
I would assume

660
00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:31,580
that there is definitely overlap with the the

661
00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:33,259
AI stuff, but, yeah, I couldn't tell you

662
00:23:33,259 --> 00:23:35,304
for sure. But Yeah. If you guys don't

663
00:23:35,304 --> 00:23:36,744
mind me jumping in just really quick, I

664
00:23:36,825 --> 00:23:38,585
this might be a little off track,

665
00:23:39,224 --> 00:23:41,224
maybe jumping ahead just slightly, but I do

666
00:23:41,224 --> 00:23:42,744
need to go in a few minutes. But

667
00:23:42,744 --> 00:23:44,044
I did wanna talk about,

668
00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:46,984
some of the predictive policing stuff because that's

669
00:23:46,984 --> 00:23:48,424
important to me. I I think you guys

670
00:23:48,424 --> 00:23:50,579
probably know, most of you guys know I've

671
00:23:50,579 --> 00:23:52,660
been doing, Police the Police, and the Free

672
00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:54,740
Thought Project is really focused on police accountability

673
00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:55,799
over the past decade.

674
00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:58,839
And, we've seen a lot of similar,

675
00:23:59,220 --> 00:24:01,960
stories that's come up around the predictive policing,

676
00:24:02,819 --> 00:24:04,759
that has involved innocent people.

677
00:24:05,065 --> 00:24:07,625
And, this is, yeah, something that definitely worries

678
00:24:07,625 --> 00:24:10,825
me because, Palantir builds a software that basically

679
00:24:10,825 --> 00:24:11,325
aggregates,

680
00:24:11,945 --> 00:24:13,085
the data for,

681
00:24:13,625 --> 00:24:15,484
various law enforcement records.

682
00:24:16,345 --> 00:24:19,465
They take surveillance footage, license plate readers, social

683
00:24:19,465 --> 00:24:20,445
media stuff,

684
00:24:21,059 --> 00:24:23,799
and it's all, you know, to identify hotspots

685
00:24:23,859 --> 00:24:25,079
where crimes might occur,

686
00:24:25,619 --> 00:24:26,359
flag individuals

687
00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:28,679
as potential offenders or associates

688
00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:31,000
based on their network or past behavior.

689
00:24:31,619 --> 00:24:34,339
It generates risk scores for people often without

690
00:24:34,339 --> 00:24:35,720
their knowledge or consent,

691
00:24:36,174 --> 00:24:38,734
and, this has already been happening. I think

692
00:24:38,734 --> 00:24:40,674
it was Los Angeles in

693
00:24:41,295 --> 00:24:42,914
02/2009, '2 thousand '10.

694
00:24:43,454 --> 00:24:45,954
They had a what's called LASER program,

695
00:24:46,734 --> 00:24:47,055
and,

696
00:24:47,775 --> 00:24:50,650
same thing with New Orleans. They actually partnered

697
00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:52,890
with the New Orleans Police Department without any

698
00:24:52,890 --> 00:24:55,070
public knowledge or city council approval,

699
00:24:55,690 --> 00:24:57,630
to implement these predictive systems

700
00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:59,930
that track the gang members and affiliates. And

701
00:24:59,930 --> 00:25:02,350
that's kind of just crazy and by itself

702
00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:04,670
that they're they're just kind of

703
00:25:05,284 --> 00:25:07,924
subverting any type of local government and it's,

704
00:25:07,924 --> 00:25:09,384
you know, putting themselves

705
00:25:10,085 --> 00:25:10,904
in that position.

706
00:25:11,845 --> 00:25:13,865
And, you know, these predictive

707
00:25:14,244 --> 00:25:14,744
algorithms,

708
00:25:15,444 --> 00:25:17,044
you know, that generate the risk scores and

709
00:25:17,044 --> 00:25:18,184
all that stuff. But

710
00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:20,250
as Larry Ellison said, you know, who was

711
00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:22,409
on stage with Trump, when he announced the

712
00:25:22,409 --> 00:25:23,690
$500,000,000,000

713
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:26,169
Stargate project last year, he said citizens will

714
00:25:26,169 --> 00:25:27,470
be on their best behavior.

715
00:25:27,929 --> 00:25:30,409
And he basically elaborated that AI would monitor

716
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:31,710
various sources, including

717
00:25:32,265 --> 00:25:35,144
security cameras, police body cameras, and he said

718
00:25:35,144 --> 00:25:36,445
that AI would monitor,

719
00:25:37,384 --> 00:25:40,285
all those things, including vehicle dash cams.

720
00:25:40,585 --> 00:25:41,945
And as I was saying, you know, this

721
00:25:41,945 --> 00:25:43,724
is worrisome because,

722
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:47,750
these systems fail at arresting, you know, all

723
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:50,070
the time. They they arrest innocent people. There's

724
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:53,110
no due process, raises questions about, like, bias

725
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:53,610
algorithms.

726
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:55,130
And,

727
00:25:55,910 --> 00:25:58,230
if cops are wearing body cameras that use

728
00:25:58,230 --> 00:26:00,794
this real time facial recognition to analyze people

729
00:26:00,794 --> 00:26:02,875
that they come in contact with, it's it's

730
00:26:02,875 --> 00:26:04,894
definitely gonna end up in a database somewhere.

731
00:26:05,515 --> 00:26:07,434
I should also mention that the license plate

732
00:26:07,434 --> 00:26:09,134
readers in The US is exploding.

733
00:26:09,755 --> 00:26:12,794
The ACLU reports that roughly 85%

734
00:26:12,794 --> 00:26:13,294
of

735
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,500
law enforcement agencies deploy these license plate readers.

736
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:18,079
I'm sure you guys have all heard about

737
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:19,940
flaw cameras. There's over,

738
00:26:20,399 --> 00:26:23,919
42 states, 4,000 cities that have these flaw

739
00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:26,639
cameras in them. And Forbes last year reported

740
00:26:26,639 --> 00:26:28,819
that FedEx had partnered with flaw cameras,

741
00:26:29,295 --> 00:26:31,055
to put on these license plate readers on

742
00:26:31,055 --> 00:26:33,455
their trucks. And FedEx isn't the only people

743
00:26:33,455 --> 00:26:34,914
too. It's Kaiser Permanente,

744
00:26:35,934 --> 00:26:36,835
it's Lowe's,

745
00:26:37,934 --> 00:26:39,934
it's quite a few different places. Of course,

746
00:26:39,934 --> 00:26:42,255
Amazon ring, and they all collaborate with law

747
00:26:42,255 --> 00:26:42,755
enforcement.

748
00:26:44,130 --> 00:26:45,509
Apparently, there's one,

749
00:26:46,289 --> 00:26:48,549
company called the Digital Recognition Network.

750
00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:51,170
It claims it's a subsidiary of Motorola. It

751
00:26:51,170 --> 00:26:53,009
claims it's produced 250

752
00:26:53,009 --> 00:26:55,490
plate readings a month, and it's amassed 200

753
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:57,174
and or, excuse me, 23,000,000,000

754
00:26:57,174 --> 00:26:59,115
license plate scans since its inception.

755
00:26:59,815 --> 00:27:00,294
So,

756
00:27:01,095 --> 00:27:03,034
you know, if we're talking about building databases,

757
00:27:03,095 --> 00:27:05,014
like, all this stuff is going to be

758
00:27:05,014 --> 00:27:06,615
put in there. It's gonna be, you know,

759
00:27:06,615 --> 00:27:07,434
flagging people

760
00:27:07,894 --> 00:27:09,115
and, basically,

761
00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:11,180
algorithms are gonna be predicting what they do.

762
00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:13,119
You know? So it destroys due process

763
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:14,240
and,

764
00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:17,580
it really shifts policing from evidence based action

765
00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:19,119
to preemptive suspicion.

766
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,619
And and it's hard not to overlap that

767
00:27:22,619 --> 00:27:24,914
with many other things and many other topics,

768
00:27:24,914 --> 00:27:26,595
but many other things around the world like

769
00:27:26,595 --> 00:27:27,894
we saw with, for example,

770
00:27:28,434 --> 00:27:30,674
you know, what what's happening with the genocide

771
00:27:30,674 --> 00:27:32,275
in Gaza and and the testing of those

772
00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:34,434
things using threat scores to determine certain people

773
00:27:34,434 --> 00:27:35,954
with the AI, it's the same thing. But

774
00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:37,829
even the overlap you discussed with things like

775
00:27:37,829 --> 00:27:39,429
the way things are going in places like

776
00:27:39,429 --> 00:27:41,769
Prospera, the teal backed libertarian,

777
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:45,029
you know, a dictatorial you know, authoritarian government

778
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:46,950
is taking over Honduras or in El Salvador.

779
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:48,869
You know, there's different overlaps to all of

780
00:27:48,869 --> 00:27:50,149
this, and that well, you can see these

781
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:52,089
little the same, you know, building

782
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:55,234
aspects of this. And you pointed out the

783
00:27:55,234 --> 00:27:56,914
agency point. And so it goes well, actually,

784
00:27:56,914 --> 00:27:58,755
before I go into that, anybody else have

785
00:27:58,755 --> 00:28:01,474
any comments on the police overlap? And I'll

786
00:28:01,474 --> 00:28:02,515
I'll I'll take a step back and, like,

787
00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:03,794
because I wanna go into all the different

788
00:28:03,794 --> 00:28:05,554
agencies that you were mentioning there, but the

789
00:28:05,554 --> 00:28:06,994
police part goes back a long way. And

790
00:28:06,994 --> 00:28:09,210
then I'll let anybody jump in. Well, before

791
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:11,549
this and remember, this is Trump's last administration,

792
00:28:11,769 --> 00:28:13,690
and then it even overlaps through Biden's administration.

793
00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:15,529
And so this is nonpartisan, and it's been

794
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:17,130
building for a long time. And the police

795
00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:19,529
part is just now dovetailing with everything else,

796
00:28:19,529 --> 00:28:21,049
it seems. So anybody else have any thoughts

797
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:23,195
on that? I just wanna add quickly that

798
00:28:23,195 --> 00:28:26,634
Teslas are snitch vehicles. They have contracts with

799
00:28:26,634 --> 00:28:27,535
fusion centers.

800
00:28:28,475 --> 00:28:30,174
Ford Motor Company is

801
00:28:30,634 --> 00:28:33,115
trying to do something very similar with a

802
00:28:33,115 --> 00:28:33,934
lot of pushback.

803
00:28:35,515 --> 00:28:36,015
There's

804
00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:38,130
new surveillance

805
00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:41,890
up, for speed cameras. 33,

806
00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:43,730
in fact, brand new,

807
00:28:44,349 --> 00:28:47,009
speed detection cameras have been placed all over

808
00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:47,549
the,

809
00:28:47,950 --> 00:28:49,869
the city of San Francisco and on the

810
00:28:49,869 --> 00:28:51,490
bridges and stuff like that.

811
00:28:52,065 --> 00:28:52,144
It

812
00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:55,444
it's going to a point to where

813
00:28:58,944 --> 00:29:01,125
people are going to be forced into

814
00:29:01,664 --> 00:29:02,484
the driverless

815
00:29:03,345 --> 00:29:03,845
vehicle

816
00:29:05,009 --> 00:29:07,570
because every every time you get behind the

817
00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:08,070
wheel,

818
00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:09,029
broadly,

819
00:29:09,490 --> 00:29:13,190
most motorists can, commit some sort of infraction.

820
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:16,450
It's just something that everybody does a little

821
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:16,934
bit

822
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:18,154
all the time,

823
00:29:18,695 --> 00:29:20,295
whether or not you're a little bit over

824
00:29:20,295 --> 00:29:23,335
the speed limit or you fail to, you

825
00:29:23,335 --> 00:29:25,575
know, hit your brakes at a proper distance,

826
00:29:25,575 --> 00:29:27,335
but put your turn signal on at a

827
00:29:27,335 --> 00:29:29,434
proper distance. If we're having,

828
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:30,875
surveillance

829
00:29:31,849 --> 00:29:33,070
done digitally

830
00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:36,509
that only knows what the actual

831
00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:38,670
motor vehicle code says

832
00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:42,570
and isn't even taking into account flow of

833
00:29:42,570 --> 00:29:44,964
traffic or any of this other stuff, then

834
00:29:44,964 --> 00:29:45,464
everybody's

835
00:29:46,164 --> 00:29:48,964
going to get multiple tickets all day every

836
00:29:48,964 --> 00:29:49,464
day.

837
00:29:51,444 --> 00:29:53,365
I mean, that that old statement about, you

838
00:29:53,365 --> 00:29:55,044
know, at, like, at any at any given

839
00:29:55,044 --> 00:29:56,964
moment because of how ridiculous our legal system

840
00:29:56,964 --> 00:29:58,244
is and all the laws in place going

841
00:29:58,244 --> 00:30:00,980
back decades centuries that everyone's you know, they

842
00:30:00,980 --> 00:30:02,259
could make you you are all a felon

843
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:03,220
if they want you to be is the

844
00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:04,419
point. I don't know. Forget how that statement

845
00:30:04,419 --> 00:30:05,940
goes, but they've made that clear before. They

846
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:07,539
could just choose to pick the law out

847
00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:08,899
that you're breaking, and everyone is at current

848
00:30:08,899 --> 00:30:10,759
moment. That's that's wild. Go ahead, Jason.

849
00:30:11,139 --> 00:30:12,740
I was just gonna say they also they're

850
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:15,115
putting, even in manual cars, they're putting remote

851
00:30:15,115 --> 00:30:16,494
control kill switches in.

852
00:30:17,035 --> 00:30:18,714
So, like, even if you even if you

853
00:30:18,714 --> 00:30:20,555
refuse the auto drive, you're gonna have a

854
00:30:20,555 --> 00:30:21,994
kill switch in I believe in Europe, they're

855
00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:23,674
gonna be mandatory in all new cars made

856
00:30:23,674 --> 00:30:26,579
after, like, 2015 or something. Wow. And the

857
00:30:26,579 --> 00:30:28,420
the problem is and we touched on the

858
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:30,019
AI thing as well. We're all talking about

859
00:30:30,019 --> 00:30:32,420
the idea of precrime here, essentially, and that's

860
00:30:32,420 --> 00:30:34,259
what it is. And we're we're talking about

861
00:30:34,259 --> 00:30:35,960
the idea of precrime working,

862
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,660
but it could easily not work. And as

863
00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:40,914
we talked about with the AI stuff, people

864
00:30:40,914 --> 00:30:42,994
are already throwing over their own judgment, their

865
00:30:42,994 --> 00:30:44,674
own ideas, what the AI tells them is

866
00:30:44,674 --> 00:30:47,075
true. A police officer in ten years' time

867
00:30:47,075 --> 00:30:49,315
will simply have a facial recognition scan, and

868
00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:51,015
it will tell him, yeah. That's the guy.

869
00:30:51,154 --> 00:30:53,095
Even if it doesn't look like the photograph,

870
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:55,210
he will override that, and and you could

871
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:56,750
end up in some sort of wood Kafkaesque

872
00:30:56,809 --> 00:30:59,049
situation where the facial recognition software says you're

873
00:30:59,049 --> 00:31:01,210
somebody you're not, and there will be no

874
00:31:01,210 --> 00:31:02,430
safeguards in place.

875
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:05,529
Right. Well, this is a perfect overlap then

876
00:31:05,529 --> 00:31:07,049
too. I mean, so the the obvious point

877
00:31:07,049 --> 00:31:08,484
of where this is built forward and how

878
00:31:08,484 --> 00:31:10,664
it's been set up and a nonpartisan idea,

879
00:31:10,724 --> 00:31:11,464
you know, this

880
00:31:12,325 --> 00:31:14,724
this surface level kind of acknowledgment of what's

881
00:31:14,724 --> 00:31:16,744
been building or been there in their database

882
00:31:16,884 --> 00:31:18,804
of all American information, you know, this has

883
00:31:18,964 --> 00:31:20,724
this overlaps with, like, the where it's going

884
00:31:20,724 --> 00:31:22,429
discussion, the artificial intelligence

885
00:31:22,809 --> 00:31:24,409
overlap to the bigger point in all of

886
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:25,929
this. So, before we go into all of

887
00:31:25,929 --> 00:31:28,109
that, what what Jason was saying, Jason Basler,

888
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:29,529
is just that the point of all the

889
00:31:29,529 --> 00:31:31,450
different, I was looking this up this morning

890
00:31:31,450 --> 00:31:32,809
just to make sure there wasn't anything new,

891
00:31:32,809 --> 00:31:34,029
just so it's on the record.

892
00:31:34,765 --> 00:31:36,924
It's, so far. And this is this is

893
00:31:36,924 --> 00:31:38,464
my question before about whether

894
00:31:38,845 --> 00:31:41,444
you're talking about Palantir and other agencies by

895
00:31:41,565 --> 00:31:43,644
other groups, by the way, just simply being

896
00:31:43,644 --> 00:31:45,085
involved with the government in a lot of

897
00:31:45,085 --> 00:31:47,005
ways and being part of their different agencies.

898
00:31:47,005 --> 00:31:48,924
What I'm referring to is that in addition

899
00:31:48,924 --> 00:31:51,059
to what we're now discussing of them having

900
00:31:51,059 --> 00:31:52,919
access through Doge and other discussions,

901
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:55,380
all of the databases that they've now removed

902
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:57,140
the silos from and pushed them into one

903
00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:59,140
central point for the most part and using

904
00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:00,900
them to train their models, their large language

905
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,075
models, their AI, this has been publicly discussed.

906
00:32:03,154 --> 00:32:04,994
Now the AI bill, which we can touch

907
00:32:04,994 --> 00:32:06,914
on as well, or rather the the the

908
00:32:06,914 --> 00:32:08,355
Trump's bill, I refuse to call it the

909
00:32:08,355 --> 00:32:10,835
big beautiful bill, discussing the idea of of

910
00:32:10,835 --> 00:32:12,914
ten years of non oversight for AI and

911
00:32:12,914 --> 00:32:13,815
the different

912
00:32:14,274 --> 00:32:16,034
AI components to new government, which it looks

913
00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:17,394
like the senate's gonna push back on now.

914
00:32:17,394 --> 00:32:19,220
But the point is it's there, this all

915
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:20,580
comes back to what they're using it for.

916
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:22,039
Now that's health and human services,

917
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,299
the department of, of Homeland Security, IRS, ICE,

918
00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:28,740
Social Security, the GSA, USAID, Department of Energy,

919
00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:32,259
Department of Education, the FAA, FEMA, NIH, National

920
00:32:32,259 --> 00:32:32,759
Oceanic

921
00:32:33,265 --> 00:32:35,265
Atmospheric Administration, and the Treasury Department. And then

922
00:32:35,265 --> 00:32:36,704
you can even overlap that with the health

923
00:32:36,704 --> 00:32:37,684
side of it with,

924
00:32:38,704 --> 00:32:41,025
RFK Jr's database on health information or even

925
00:32:41,025 --> 00:32:42,565
Oracle overlapped with Stargate.

926
00:32:42,865 --> 00:32:45,025
All of this using AI, that I just

927
00:32:45,105 --> 00:32:47,549
that's almost hard to imagine. You know what

928
00:32:47,549 --> 00:32:49,870
I mean? That much information being jammed together

929
00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:50,910
I mean, go ahead. I'll I'll leave it

930
00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:52,350
there. I just think that's very important to

931
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:53,950
realize that, you know, in a lot of

932
00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:55,390
ways, some of the people, especially in the

933
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:56,990
partisan field, are missing the forest for the

934
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:59,390
trees by talking about this bigger discussion, but

935
00:32:59,390 --> 00:33:00,910
not realizing, as we've said, it's been going

936
00:33:00,910 --> 00:33:02,595
on a long time and that it's, I

937
00:33:02,595 --> 00:33:04,434
think, done at this point. Right? I mean,

938
00:33:04,434 --> 00:33:05,634
a few more agencies to go, but go

939
00:33:05,634 --> 00:33:07,234
ahead. Anyone wanna jump in on that? Well,

940
00:33:07,234 --> 00:33:08,434
let let me jump in on that because

941
00:33:08,434 --> 00:33:11,015
I think it goes beyond agencies. Right? So

942
00:33:11,875 --> 00:33:14,214
number one, I think people have to realize

943
00:33:14,529 --> 00:33:18,289
that you have a social credit score on

944
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:20,609
Apple if you've ever bought a device or

945
00:33:20,609 --> 00:33:22,930
anyone around you has bought a device. Same

946
00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:25,730
thing with Google. These things came out, jeez,

947
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:27,430
more than a decade ago.

948
00:33:28,369 --> 00:33:30,585
I think that you look at other big

949
00:33:30,585 --> 00:33:31,085
companies,

950
00:33:31,785 --> 00:33:33,644
Microsoft, you got an Xbox,

951
00:33:33,945 --> 00:33:36,365
I'm sure, or or you're on Windows,

952
00:33:36,825 --> 00:33:38,765
they've got something similar there.

953
00:33:39,464 --> 00:33:40,684
PlayStation, Sony.

954
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:44,630
I would say that those databases are also

955
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:46,950
going to be incorporated. I didn't name the

956
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:48,549
big one. You know, everybody talked about the

957
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:51,049
Total Information Awareness Network. Well,

958
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:53,910
there's always been those rumblings of a Facebook

959
00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:56,330
connection. Right? And then you look

960
00:33:56,775 --> 00:33:57,515
at Facebook,

961
00:33:58,134 --> 00:34:00,535
and, really, when it was pushed over the

962
00:34:00,535 --> 00:34:03,494
top past these other social media platforms, who

963
00:34:03,494 --> 00:34:05,434
was it? Peter Thiel stepped in.

964
00:34:05,894 --> 00:34:06,795
Sean Parker

965
00:34:07,174 --> 00:34:09,914
stepped in. So when you look at that

966
00:34:10,299 --> 00:34:12,480
and you look at these new data centers

967
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:15,099
that are being proposed, the one in Kentucky

968
00:34:15,099 --> 00:34:17,039
that's currently being built for Meta,

969
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:19,519
I think that that's going to be

970
00:34:20,139 --> 00:34:20,960
as much

971
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:22,319
of an incorporation

972
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:24,719
as those government databases,

973
00:34:25,844 --> 00:34:28,644
as the autonomous cars that we were talking

974
00:34:28,644 --> 00:34:29,144
about.

975
00:34:29,605 --> 00:34:32,184
Basically, when we are talking about total information

976
00:34:32,324 --> 00:34:32,824
awareness,

977
00:34:33,125 --> 00:34:35,684
we're even getting not only into the Internet

978
00:34:35,684 --> 00:34:36,344
of things

979
00:34:36,885 --> 00:34:37,784
being centralized

980
00:34:38,164 --> 00:34:40,565
by this AI and analyzed, but also the

981
00:34:40,565 --> 00:34:42,700
Internet of bodies. And, you know, the Rand

982
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:43,200
Corporation

983
00:34:43,579 --> 00:34:46,079
and others have been very open about that

984
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:48,300
as well. And look. I'm as guilty as

985
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,019
anybody. I got the damn watch on. I

986
00:34:51,019 --> 00:34:52,860
take the damn walk and see how quick

987
00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:54,079
I do my two miles.

988
00:34:54,644 --> 00:34:56,244
I wear it when I'm in the car

989
00:34:56,244 --> 00:34:58,644
and someone calls me or texts me. I

990
00:34:58,644 --> 00:35:00,885
don't wanna, you know, touch it. I'll hit

991
00:35:00,885 --> 00:35:02,744
that, and I'll start talking into this.

992
00:35:04,324 --> 00:35:06,644
I know some people aren't as comfortable with

993
00:35:06,644 --> 00:35:07,385
that, but

994
00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:09,289
I think it's only gonna get more. I

995
00:35:09,289 --> 00:35:11,130
think that we have to be aware and

996
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:13,789
navigate it, pick and choose our battles. Like,

997
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:15,070
I would be stupid.

998
00:35:15,849 --> 00:35:18,269
I've got probably seven game systems

999
00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:20,250
that have been built in the last decade

1000
00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:22,784
plus. They all have microphones in them. They're

1001
00:35:22,784 --> 00:35:24,804
in the damn controllers at this point.

1002
00:35:25,105 --> 00:35:27,025
You know how many phones are sitting around

1003
00:35:27,025 --> 00:35:29,204
my house right now? Yeah. They're off, but

1004
00:35:29,344 --> 00:35:30,864
I think that we all know that there

1005
00:35:30,864 --> 00:35:33,264
are ways to access these things without people

1006
00:35:33,264 --> 00:35:33,764
knowing.

1007
00:35:34,144 --> 00:35:34,644
So

1008
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:37,079
I I think right now, big picture,

1009
00:35:37,699 --> 00:35:38,199
Palantir

1010
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:40,519
is trying to become that, like,

1011
00:35:41,059 --> 00:35:42,760
oracle of the Lord of the Rings.

1012
00:35:43,059 --> 00:35:44,739
They get a one ring to rule them

1013
00:35:44,739 --> 00:35:47,559
all. All that stuff. Not just government stuff,

1014
00:35:47,815 --> 00:35:49,894
but all the public stuff and all the

1015
00:35:49,894 --> 00:35:52,295
contracting. I mean, really, that is what we've

1016
00:35:52,295 --> 00:35:56,235
been seeing anyway is the merger of government

1017
00:35:56,295 --> 00:35:57,034
and corporations

1018
00:35:57,335 --> 00:36:00,375
on a techno fascistic level that's really never

1019
00:36:00,375 --> 00:36:02,215
been imagined before. But now it's starting to

1020
00:36:02,215 --> 00:36:03,789
be achieved. And that and that's, like, the

1021
00:36:03,789 --> 00:36:05,089
real danger. Right?

1022
00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:08,349
Yeah. I think there's the temptation to think

1023
00:36:08,349 --> 00:36:10,449
that all of this is just starting

1024
00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:13,650
now within the last five years, whatever.

1025
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:15,869
When you go back to 02/2004,

1026
00:36:15,869 --> 00:36:18,855
you've got two origin stories happening simultaneously.

1027
00:36:19,234 --> 00:36:21,234
You have out of In Q Tel, you

1028
00:36:21,234 --> 00:36:21,734
have

1029
00:36:22,034 --> 00:36:22,534
Facebook

1030
00:36:22,914 --> 00:36:24,674
and the Peter Thiel connection that you just

1031
00:36:24,674 --> 00:36:26,914
mentioned, and you have Palantir starting about the

1032
00:36:26,914 --> 00:36:28,674
same time coming out of In Q Tel

1033
00:36:28,674 --> 00:36:30,674
with with Karp running that and and and

1034
00:36:30,674 --> 00:36:33,690
this role. So it's you can make a

1035
00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:35,849
case that this has been on the plan

1036
00:36:35,849 --> 00:36:36,750
for two decades.

1037
00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:39,610
That this isn't something that's just new. Maybe

1038
00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:41,710
the technology has caught up. Maybe

1039
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:44,989
when minority report comes out in 02/2002,

1040
00:36:45,914 --> 00:36:46,655
that technology

1041
00:36:47,035 --> 00:36:47,855
is futuristic.

1042
00:36:48,235 --> 00:36:49,835
The future is now. Half the stuff that

1043
00:36:49,835 --> 00:36:51,934
we saw in that movie is happening. Precrime

1044
00:36:52,235 --> 00:36:52,735
was

1045
00:36:53,515 --> 00:36:54,015
inconceivable

1046
00:36:54,875 --> 00:36:57,135
two decades ago. Now it's normalized

1047
00:36:57,434 --> 00:36:59,195
almost and talked about as as a real

1048
00:36:59,195 --> 00:37:00,015
thing. So

1049
00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:03,109
I think that they have been plotting and

1050
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:05,589
planning this for for a very long time.

1051
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:07,929
And and the role of these

1052
00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:11,029
technocrats is extremely dangerous. It's tempting to be

1053
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:12,949
dismissive of Elon Musk and go, oh, you

1054
00:37:12,949 --> 00:37:15,429
know, he's just a quirky nerd who builds

1055
00:37:15,429 --> 00:37:17,305
companies. But it's like, well,

1056
00:37:17,925 --> 00:37:19,525
peel back a layer or two and and

1057
00:37:19,525 --> 00:37:21,364
see where this guy's money is coming from.

1058
00:37:21,364 --> 00:37:23,045
See who who the connection has come from.

1059
00:37:23,045 --> 00:37:25,385
Much in the same way that that Palantir

1060
00:37:25,605 --> 00:37:26,105
was

1061
00:37:26,485 --> 00:37:26,985
started

1062
00:37:27,364 --> 00:37:29,864
to service the CIA. What about Oracle?

1063
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:32,500
I mean, Oracle was named after the project

1064
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,659
that the CIA was project Oracle that they

1065
00:37:34,659 --> 00:37:37,460
were working on. And so this has been

1066
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:39,079
going on since '77

1067
00:37:39,139 --> 00:37:41,880
in that regard. So it's a long play,

1068
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:42,760
and

1069
00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:45,704
I think that for those look. I put

1070
00:37:45,704 --> 00:37:47,325
I put the Palantir conversation

1071
00:37:48,105 --> 00:37:50,204
in the same category as the USAID

1072
00:37:50,664 --> 00:37:51,164
conversation.

1073
00:37:51,545 --> 00:37:52,525
Nothing's changed.

1074
00:37:52,905 --> 00:37:54,925
Nothing's really getting fixed, but

1075
00:37:55,785 --> 00:37:58,585
at least some of the normies are starting

1076
00:37:58,585 --> 00:38:00,345
to talk about it. They didn't know about

1077
00:38:00,345 --> 00:38:00,845
USAID

1078
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,359
three years ago. I mean, we're all talking

1079
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:04,980
about it and doing episodes and

1080
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,059
but now you've got your hairstylist,

1081
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,679
maybe not mine, but somebody's hairstylist out there

1082
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:10,719
going, what do you have to make of

1083
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,579
this whole USAID thing? Well,

1084
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:14,559
you could take them down a long rabbit

1085
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,815
hole, but the point is, at least it's

1086
00:38:16,815 --> 00:38:19,295
on their radar now. And Palantir, same thing.

1087
00:38:19,295 --> 00:38:21,135
Like, what is this Palantir? You know, now

1088
00:38:21,135 --> 00:38:23,054
they're starting with Peter Thiel. I thought he

1089
00:38:23,054 --> 00:38:25,074
was just a a guy who's

1090
00:38:25,454 --> 00:38:28,414
bad on Rogan and stuttered and mumbled his

1091
00:38:28,414 --> 00:38:30,335
way through a three hour conversation. It's like,

1092
00:38:30,335 --> 00:38:33,610
no. No. No. No. That guy is extremely

1093
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:35,510
dangerous, and this is what his company is

1094
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:37,190
about. So, I mean, I guess in the

1095
00:38:37,269 --> 00:38:39,030
if we're gonna take a a very tiny

1096
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:40,869
white pill, like, maybe this size of a

1097
00:38:40,869 --> 00:38:41,610
Tic Tac,

1098
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:44,309
it'll be that some of the normies are

1099
00:38:44,309 --> 00:38:46,445
starting to open their eyes to these agencies

1100
00:38:46,664 --> 00:38:47,644
or these corporations

1101
00:38:47,945 --> 00:38:49,805
that are, driving the future.

1102
00:38:50,344 --> 00:38:53,164
Such a good point, Charlie, and here's where

1103
00:38:54,025 --> 00:38:55,565
the bait and switch administration

1104
00:38:55,945 --> 00:38:58,765
comes in. Right? Because what happened to USAID,

1105
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:00,980
it got absorbed

1106
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,900
into the state department.

1107
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:03,860
There's

1108
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,059
and so

1109
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:05,860
Palantir

1110
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,179
has been a, quote, unquote, third party contractor.

1111
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,440
Even though it's always rode that public private

1112
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,474
partnership fence, It's been a a private entity

1113
00:39:17,775 --> 00:39:18,755
face. Now

1114
00:39:19,295 --> 00:39:19,795
it's

1115
00:39:20,175 --> 00:39:21,155
part and parcel

1116
00:39:21,534 --> 00:39:23,855
of the government. So the bait and switch

1117
00:39:23,855 --> 00:39:26,034
part is, sure, you can talk about it

1118
00:39:26,735 --> 00:39:29,235
now that it's a part of the government.

1119
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:33,579
But in four years, it's just going to

1120
00:39:33,579 --> 00:39:34,079
be,

1121
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:36,320
one of the underpinning

1122
00:39:36,619 --> 00:39:39,039
key systems that allow for efficiency

1123
00:39:39,579 --> 00:39:40,800
and thorough management

1124
00:39:41,099 --> 00:39:41,840
of this

1125
00:39:42,140 --> 00:39:43,360
greatest democracy.

1126
00:39:44,385 --> 00:39:45,905
And this is why we started with the

1127
00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:48,144
point about the the the feud because as

1128
00:39:48,144 --> 00:39:49,824
they were highlighting is this is how this

1129
00:39:49,824 --> 00:39:51,105
tend not to say we know for sure,

1130
00:39:51,105 --> 00:39:52,545
but this is how this tends to go,

1131
00:39:52,545 --> 00:39:55,025
especially when they recognize people are starting to

1132
00:39:55,025 --> 00:39:57,105
see through all the BS, all the partisan

1133
00:39:57,105 --> 00:39:59,184
lies. They they they do something like that.

1134
00:39:59,184 --> 00:40:00,920
They create rather you know, like you're saying

1135
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,480
the average person sees USAID. Instead of changing

1136
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,319
that, they give you the false dynamic, and

1137
00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:07,239
they allow you to, you know, lean into

1138
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,679
that thinking that, oh, now it's gone, but

1139
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:10,119
they just added something else. And I think

1140
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:11,960
that's possibly the whole point about what's going

1141
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,400
on with Palantir. You know? Did someone else

1142
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,125
gonna jump in? Yeah. I just I just

1143
00:40:15,125 --> 00:40:17,364
wanted to take that that white pill, put

1144
00:40:17,364 --> 00:40:18,644
it two black pills either side of it

1145
00:40:18,644 --> 00:40:20,585
and flip it black like in Go.

1146
00:40:21,764 --> 00:40:22,585
Because, like,

1147
00:40:22,964 --> 00:40:25,284
you could argue that the norm is talking

1148
00:40:25,284 --> 00:40:27,119
about it is very much part of the

1149
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,039
point. I mean, the the concept we're talking

1150
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:30,339
about here is called the Panopticon.

1151
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,559
Right? And I don't know if everyone probably

1152
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:33,839
most of us know the history of the

1153
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:35,599
of the word, but some people in the

1154
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,039
audience might not. It goes back to the

1155
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:37,859
eighteenth century.

1156
00:40:38,974 --> 00:40:42,175
Philosopher, utilitarian philosopher, Jerome Bentham invented what he

1157
00:40:42,175 --> 00:40:44,015
called the perfect prison, which is a circular

1158
00:40:44,015 --> 00:40:46,015
prison with a single guard tower in the

1159
00:40:46,015 --> 00:40:46,515
middle.

1160
00:40:47,135 --> 00:40:49,054
And all this all the cells are visible

1161
00:40:49,054 --> 00:40:50,175
to the top of the guard tower at

1162
00:40:50,175 --> 00:40:50,835
all times.

1163
00:40:51,215 --> 00:40:52,675
Now most of the cells,

1164
00:40:53,139 --> 00:40:55,320
most of the prisoners are not being watched,

1165
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:57,219
but they are perfectly aware that any one

1166
00:40:57,219 --> 00:40:59,139
of them could be. The idea of the

1167
00:40:59,139 --> 00:40:59,639
Panopticon

1168
00:41:00,019 --> 00:41:01,780
is that the idea you might be being

1169
00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:04,340
watched encourages you to police yourself. As Larry

1170
00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:05,699
Ellison said, people are gonna be on their

1171
00:41:05,699 --> 00:41:07,994
best behavior. So in some ways, they have

1172
00:41:07,994 --> 00:41:09,375
to tell us it's there

1173
00:41:09,755 --> 00:41:10,815
or it won't work.

1174
00:41:15,034 --> 00:41:16,635
Yeah. Yeah. I tend to agree with that.

1175
00:41:16,635 --> 00:41:18,474
I'd I I have trouble with with it

1176
00:41:18,474 --> 00:41:18,974
being

1177
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:22,269
I have trouble with it, the idea that

1178
00:41:22,269 --> 00:41:24,030
people I mean, not to say again, take

1179
00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:26,109
the black pill that anytime any people are

1180
00:41:26,109 --> 00:41:28,109
waking up, it's always a psyop, etcetera, because

1181
00:41:28,109 --> 00:41:29,469
I I see those people out there, and

1182
00:41:29,469 --> 00:41:31,710
I'm not totally in agreement with that. But,

1183
00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:33,469
yeah, of course, it makes me a little

1184
00:41:33,469 --> 00:41:36,085
skeptical or questioning why it's safe now.

1185
00:41:36,464 --> 00:41:37,984
I'm not gonna name any names, but there

1186
00:41:37,984 --> 00:41:39,984
are definitely a lot of big podcasts and

1187
00:41:39,984 --> 00:41:41,585
and folks who I know lots of people

1188
00:41:41,585 --> 00:41:43,844
here were pointing out Palantir Connections

1189
00:41:44,304 --> 00:41:46,065
prior to the election, and they were all

1190
00:41:46,065 --> 00:41:47,664
still there and pretty obvious in my mind.

1191
00:41:47,664 --> 00:41:48,864
I know I wrote a lot of articles

1192
00:41:48,864 --> 00:41:50,840
about that. And, Ryan, I know you did

1193
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,780
hours and hours of coverage of this and

1194
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,460
others here. And,

1195
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,739
now six months into the thing, everybody's

1196
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,199
willing to talk about Palantir and Peter Thiel,

1197
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:00,780
and it's,

1198
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,255
it's become safe now. And so, yeah, good

1199
00:42:03,255 --> 00:42:04,614
that more people are talking about it, good

1200
00:42:04,614 --> 00:42:05,355
that the hairdresser's

1201
00:42:05,734 --> 00:42:08,135
talking about it, and maybe there's some seeping

1202
00:42:08,135 --> 00:42:08,954
into normie

1203
00:42:09,335 --> 00:42:09,835
mind

1204
00:42:10,375 --> 00:42:11,594
out there. But, also,

1205
00:42:12,054 --> 00:42:13,734
it is good, I think, to remain skeptical

1206
00:42:13,734 --> 00:42:15,220
and question or, you know, just even have

1207
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:17,059
a critical mind about why, you know, why

1208
00:42:17,059 --> 00:42:19,059
it's happening at this time. And, I did

1209
00:42:19,059 --> 00:42:20,660
wanna go into some Doge and Peter Thiel

1210
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:21,780
in a minute, but, Charlie, I think did

1211
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:23,079
you have something you wanna add?

1212
00:42:23,539 --> 00:42:25,780
No. I'm good. Thank you. Well, Derek, before

1213
00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:26,900
you do that real quick, just since you

1214
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:28,180
mentioned it, I just think this is humorous,

1215
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:29,220
and we don't have to spend time on

1216
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:31,355
this, but the point is about, you know,

1217
00:42:31,355 --> 00:42:33,514
remember that a lot of people almost everybody

1218
00:42:33,514 --> 00:42:35,034
here was calling out, you know, a lot

1219
00:42:35,034 --> 00:42:37,034
of things. But Palantir being a focal point

1220
00:42:37,034 --> 00:42:38,554
before all this, and it was black pill

1221
00:42:38,554 --> 00:42:40,474
purity test, I just thought it's very funny

1222
00:42:40,474 --> 00:42:41,994
now. And I hate to take pleasure in

1223
00:42:41,994 --> 00:42:43,755
the the chaos that's happening between the Mac

1224
00:42:43,755 --> 00:42:45,480
community, but to see the way that they're

1225
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,000
responding to this stuff now is interesting to

1226
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,159
me where CatTurt came out and said, pay

1227
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:50,679
close attention to all the people who don't

1228
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,119
have president comes back right now. And I

1229
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,360
said, this is what a purity test actually

1230
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,840
looks like. Sycophant clowns like this guy tried

1231
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,394
to say that what we were doing was

1232
00:42:58,635 --> 00:43:00,394
exactly I said what we were doing when

1233
00:43:00,394 --> 00:43:02,074
we tried to warn you about exactly what's

1234
00:43:02,074 --> 00:43:03,994
taking place was the purity test. I just

1235
00:43:03,994 --> 00:43:06,155
think it's interesting to see how how much

1236
00:43:06,155 --> 00:43:07,775
what's just happened is exposing,

1237
00:43:08,155 --> 00:43:10,015
you know, the kind of hollowness, the hypocrisy

1238
00:43:10,074 --> 00:43:12,409
around, and in my opinion, is all partisan,

1239
00:43:12,409 --> 00:43:14,650
like, extremism, you know, the team sport politics

1240
00:43:14,650 --> 00:43:16,009
side. So I thought that was important to

1241
00:43:16,009 --> 00:43:17,769
point out because it's it's hard to battle

1242
00:43:17,769 --> 00:43:19,210
something like that when they've got so much

1243
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:21,609
influence, and it's all, like, personal identity politics.

1244
00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:23,210
You know? Woke left, woke right. Alright. Go

1245
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:25,049
ahead. Well and, again, just real quick, it's

1246
00:43:25,049 --> 00:43:26,269
like three card money,

1247
00:43:27,224 --> 00:43:30,025
but it's three card Psyop money. So people

1248
00:43:30,184 --> 00:43:31,164
if it's okay

1249
00:43:31,464 --> 00:43:34,025
to talk about Palantir now, that means nobody's

1250
00:43:34,025 --> 00:43:37,005
talking about Larry Ellison or Sam Altman

1251
00:43:37,545 --> 00:43:38,045
or,

1252
00:43:38,585 --> 00:43:41,400
you know, the Stargate going international

1253
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:44,820
at this point, the mRNA platform, Stargate going

1254
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:47,940
international at this point. There's, you know, a

1255
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:49,000
a pick a broligarch

1256
00:43:50,260 --> 00:43:53,160
if Elon Musk or if,

1257
00:43:53,940 --> 00:43:54,599
you know,

1258
00:43:56,594 --> 00:43:57,094
freaking,

1259
00:43:57,394 --> 00:43:58,375
Peter Thiel

1260
00:43:58,755 --> 00:44:00,914
are are taken front and center. Well, hey.

1261
00:44:00,914 --> 00:44:02,994
Look. There's still three other guys from the

1262
00:44:02,994 --> 00:44:05,554
PayPal mafia that are embedded within the Trump

1263
00:44:05,554 --> 00:44:06,054
administration

1264
00:44:06,434 --> 00:44:09,179
that aren't garnering all the headlines. But like

1265
00:44:09,179 --> 00:44:11,359
Carlin said, you don't necessarily

1266
00:44:11,739 --> 00:44:13,599
need an organized conspiracy

1267
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:17,019
when everybody else when everybody involved all went

1268
00:44:17,019 --> 00:44:18,780
to the same schools, is all part of

1269
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:20,880
the same clubs, all have the same

1270
00:44:21,179 --> 00:44:21,679
overarching,

1271
00:44:22,464 --> 00:44:24,724
you know, goals and stuff like that.

1272
00:44:25,744 --> 00:44:26,244
If

1273
00:44:26,944 --> 00:44:29,505
Musk and Teal are taking all of the

1274
00:44:29,505 --> 00:44:31,125
oxygen out of the information,

1275
00:44:31,585 --> 00:44:33,764
everybody else in the PayPal mafia

1276
00:44:34,144 --> 00:44:35,204
is running around

1277
00:44:35,579 --> 00:44:37,820
rampant, not to mention Howard Lutnick, not to

1278
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:40,300
mention all of the other people that are

1279
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:41,920
part and parcel of advancing

1280
00:44:42,539 --> 00:44:43,680
the the panopticon

1281
00:44:44,059 --> 00:44:46,640
esque agenda that we've been talking about,

1282
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:49,215
on the panel so far. Oh, and if

1283
00:44:49,215 --> 00:44:51,295
if if we're gonna speculate as to who

1284
00:44:51,295 --> 00:44:53,535
might be pulled into this next, I'm gonna

1285
00:44:53,535 --> 00:44:55,775
put my money on Lucky Palmer. Oh. I

1286
00:44:55,775 --> 00:44:58,335
mean, because he wears a Hawaiian shirt. You

1287
00:44:58,335 --> 00:45:00,255
know? He's got the branding. He's just a

1288
00:45:00,255 --> 00:45:02,860
wacky, kooky nerd who Mhmm. You know, he's

1289
00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:05,019
just he's looking out for America. You know?

1290
00:45:05,019 --> 00:45:05,739
He's building these

1291
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:08,559
you can you can easily see him getting

1292
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:09,840
incorporated in,

1293
00:45:11,019 --> 00:45:12,559
and like like Steve says,

1294
00:45:13,065 --> 00:45:14,905
when the magician wants you to look at

1295
00:45:14,905 --> 00:45:16,184
it at his right hand, you have to

1296
00:45:16,184 --> 00:45:17,545
keep an eye on his left hand. That's

1297
00:45:17,545 --> 00:45:19,065
what, you know, that's pulling the bird out

1298
00:45:19,065 --> 00:45:20,844
of the back pocket or whatever. So

1299
00:45:21,304 --> 00:45:23,545
so it's in in some cases, it's not

1300
00:45:23,545 --> 00:45:26,025
necessarily who they're talking about now. It's who

1301
00:45:26,025 --> 00:45:27,704
they're, you know, who the spotlight is no

1302
00:45:27,704 --> 00:45:30,199
longer on. You know, exit stage right, and

1303
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:31,800
now that guy is off to go do

1304
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,099
his thing. Musk leaves.

1305
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:35,880
What's he up to? Well, he's up to

1306
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,380
whatever

1307
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,079
whatever the agenda is, but he doesn't have

1308
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:41,000
that massive spotlight on him. He might not

1309
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,760
be the best example because he's always putting

1310
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,684
a spotlight on himself. But some of the

1311
00:45:44,684 --> 00:45:45,664
lesser characters,

1312
00:45:46,045 --> 00:45:47,505
as they exit the stage,

1313
00:45:47,885 --> 00:45:48,765
they're now free to,

1314
00:45:50,285 --> 00:45:52,525
to do what they're doing without the audience

1315
00:45:52,525 --> 00:45:53,025
watching.

1316
00:45:53,805 --> 00:45:55,885
So I'm so glad you brought up Lucky

1317
00:45:55,885 --> 00:45:58,139
Palmer because I he's gonna play into really

1318
00:45:58,139 --> 00:45:59,820
what I wanted to talk about. We haven't

1319
00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:01,900
hit on Lavender. We haven't hit on the

1320
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:03,359
fact that Palantir

1321
00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:05,659
is very much a part of the Five

1322
00:46:05,659 --> 00:46:06,159
Eyes

1323
00:46:06,859 --> 00:46:08,719
operation. So it is an international

1324
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:10,719
intelligence network, and

1325
00:46:11,164 --> 00:46:14,925
Lavender, which just picked through AI 30,000

1326
00:46:14,925 --> 00:46:17,505
plus, quote, unquote, terrorists, AKA targets,

1327
00:46:17,885 --> 00:46:20,684
that can be taken out by autonomous drones

1328
00:46:20,684 --> 00:46:22,864
and machines made by Lucky Palmer.

1329
00:46:23,244 --> 00:46:25,025
I think that's really important.

1330
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:27,380
So I was really unaware

1331
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:30,000
of Lucky Palmer probably till the last few

1332
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,359
months when all of a sudden he's on

1333
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:34,099
a media train for his company, Andral.

1334
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,820
And where there are a lot of parallels

1335
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,300
with what Charlie was just saying there,

1336
00:46:40,864 --> 00:46:43,204
with AI autonomous weapons and faces.

1337
00:46:44,224 --> 00:46:46,625
Palmer's thing is that he wants The United

1338
00:46:46,625 --> 00:46:49,264
States to be the world's gun store for

1339
00:46:49,264 --> 00:46:52,720
these autonomous weapons, kinda, you know, further putting

1340
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:53,619
out that plausible

1341
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,119
deniability circle. Well, again, Palantir is supposedly a

1342
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,200
private company. Right? They're working with all these

1343
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,980
different government government agencies

1344
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,059
as well, and

1345
00:47:03,775 --> 00:47:05,934
they're targeting these people. Well, what kind of

1346
00:47:05,934 --> 00:47:08,434
weapon systems are gonna be utilized? Lucky Palmer's

1347
00:47:08,735 --> 00:47:11,394
weapon systems. We're not just talking about traditional

1348
00:47:11,454 --> 00:47:11,954
drones,

1349
00:47:12,574 --> 00:47:15,855
you know, air, water, you name it. He's

1350
00:47:15,855 --> 00:47:17,614
doing it right now. And this is like

1351
00:47:17,614 --> 00:47:18,594
the hip kid

1352
00:47:18,989 --> 00:47:21,570
that brought us the, Oculus Rift

1353
00:47:21,949 --> 00:47:23,250
owned by Meta now.

1354
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:25,730
You know? So you see how incestuous

1355
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:28,909
this whole thing is. And but it's okay

1356
00:47:28,909 --> 00:47:30,909
because he's got a cool little goatee. He

1357
00:47:30,909 --> 00:47:33,755
wears sandals. He's in a Hawaiian shirt, and,

1358
00:47:33,755 --> 00:47:35,295
you know, he talks hip.

1359
00:47:35,675 --> 00:47:37,215
What's he, like, 30?

1360
00:47:37,275 --> 00:47:40,875
He's got an ironic mullet, Jason. What more

1361
00:47:40,875 --> 00:47:42,335
could you ask for

1362
00:47:42,795 --> 00:47:43,614
in a tycoon?

1363
00:47:44,795 --> 00:47:45,295
It's

1364
00:47:45,739 --> 00:47:47,039
it's pretty wild.

1365
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,980
Again, but this shows you. And I'm just

1366
00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:51,679
getting familiar with this guy.

1367
00:47:52,219 --> 00:47:53,039
He seems

1368
00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:55,260
on the level that he is a very

1369
00:47:55,260 --> 00:47:57,179
intelligent person and at the helm a lot

1370
00:47:57,179 --> 00:47:59,119
of these things. But at the same time,

1371
00:47:59,864 --> 00:48:02,105
alright. He's the guy that put out what

1372
00:48:02,105 --> 00:48:02,605
becomes

1373
00:48:02,985 --> 00:48:03,485
commercialized

1374
00:48:04,025 --> 00:48:05,885
VR and, like, probably the biggest

1375
00:48:06,184 --> 00:48:07,405
format out there.

1376
00:48:07,704 --> 00:48:10,824
We know the defense department, DARPA, has had

1377
00:48:10,824 --> 00:48:12,684
virtual reality for decades.

1378
00:48:13,089 --> 00:48:15,329
We know that even side by side, you

1379
00:48:15,329 --> 00:48:18,449
can go and see these, rather crude machines

1380
00:48:18,449 --> 00:48:20,069
where they were running film reels

1381
00:48:20,449 --> 00:48:21,730
side by side. I think in the in

1382
00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:24,369
the fifties, it had these type of VR

1383
00:48:24,369 --> 00:48:27,375
experiences where you were, like, driving around. Obviously,

1384
00:48:27,375 --> 00:48:28,974
a lot more crude today, but that was

1385
00:48:28,974 --> 00:48:31,315
commercially available then. So, again,

1386
00:48:31,695 --> 00:48:33,235
is this an anointed one?

1387
00:48:33,614 --> 00:48:36,175
You know, I mentioned Peter Thiel earlier. I

1388
00:48:36,175 --> 00:48:38,735
briefly said Sean Parker. For those that don't

1389
00:48:38,735 --> 00:48:40,434
know who Sean Parker was,

1390
00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:41,590
Sean Parker

1391
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:45,010
was this kid who the CIA tried to

1392
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:47,570
recruit when he was 16, turned it down.

1393
00:48:47,570 --> 00:48:49,349
All of a sudden, he creates Napster.

1394
00:48:50,369 --> 00:48:52,610
And not only does he create Napster, that

1395
00:48:52,610 --> 00:48:53,750
turns into Spotify,

1396
00:48:54,305 --> 00:48:57,204
and he's the Justin Timberlake character

1397
00:48:57,825 --> 00:49:00,385
in the, Facebook movie there. So the it

1398
00:49:00,385 --> 00:49:02,305
should show you how influential that guy could

1399
00:49:02,385 --> 00:49:03,445
becomes. And look.

1400
00:49:03,905 --> 00:49:06,385
And by the way, Bilderberg attendee, never a

1401
00:49:06,385 --> 00:49:08,465
steering member. I think he went once or

1402
00:49:08,465 --> 00:49:08,965
twice.

1403
00:49:09,425 --> 00:49:12,250
But to me, that illustrates the fact that,

1404
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:14,409
hey. Maybe Sean Parker did turn down the

1405
00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:14,909
CIA.

1406
00:49:15,609 --> 00:49:17,690
But do you think the CIA gave up

1407
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:18,750
on Sean Parker?

1408
00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:21,449
Like, I mean, that that's kind of my

1409
00:49:21,449 --> 00:49:23,449
thing. It's like, whether you wanna work for

1410
00:49:23,449 --> 00:49:24,670
them or not,

1411
00:49:25,025 --> 00:49:26,485
I see the boost

1412
00:49:27,265 --> 00:49:28,885
of the software

1413
00:49:29,985 --> 00:49:32,465
and the social media that he was involved

1414
00:49:32,465 --> 00:49:34,644
in. It's hard for me to believe

1415
00:49:35,425 --> 00:49:37,744
that there wasn't somewhere along the way that

1416
00:49:37,744 --> 00:49:40,500
the intelligence agencies maybe at least pushed along

1417
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:41,719
if he wasn't directly

1418
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:44,340
involved with them. And I and I'll cut

1419
00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:45,320
it short there.

1420
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:47,860
I often wonder, you know, like, especially today

1421
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:49,860
with, like, the the independent media overlap, how

1422
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:51,860
many people involved in that field don't know

1423
00:49:51,860 --> 00:49:53,180
that they're being used or played. You know,

1424
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:55,059
I think that's a may maybe the majority

1425
00:49:55,059 --> 00:49:56,154
of what's going on. And I think that's

1426
00:49:56,154 --> 00:49:57,994
a new kind of angle where things go

1427
00:49:57,994 --> 00:49:59,114
and the same kind of point. You know,

1428
00:49:59,114 --> 00:50:01,034
you just don't know if it's just willful

1429
00:50:01,034 --> 00:50:02,795
ignorance. Maybe they're even aren't even aware that

1430
00:50:02,795 --> 00:50:04,074
it's just funding that they're happy to take

1431
00:50:04,074 --> 00:50:05,355
without even looking into it. We see that

1432
00:50:05,434 --> 00:50:06,714
and I'm talking about the the side you're

1433
00:50:06,714 --> 00:50:08,234
addressing, Jason, but it's also the same thing

1434
00:50:08,234 --> 00:50:10,610
independent media. But so it's interesting to think

1435
00:50:10,610 --> 00:50:12,369
at every angle I mean, even what we

1436
00:50:12,369 --> 00:50:15,269
discussed yesterday, it's it's it's hard to ignore

1437
00:50:15,329 --> 00:50:16,849
that all of this seems to have been

1438
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:17,989
long term intelligence

1439
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:20,769
created startup entities, you know, where where they

1440
00:50:20,769 --> 00:50:22,849
kinda place everything into position. You know? You

1441
00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:25,855
mentioned Palantir, total information awareness, Oracle, the same

1442
00:50:25,855 --> 00:50:26,355
idea,

1443
00:50:26,734 --> 00:50:28,414
Maincore, we haven't talked about yet, or Lucky

1444
00:50:28,414 --> 00:50:30,194
Palmer. And, I mean, all these different points.

1445
00:50:30,414 --> 00:50:31,855
You know? It's it's I mean, you could

1446
00:50:31,855 --> 00:50:33,614
argue it's just coincidence that they all had

1447
00:50:33,614 --> 00:50:35,875
the origin point with intelligence that, you know,

1448
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,400
that's hard for me to wrap my mind

1449
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,440
around. You know? And then, of course, we

1450
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,360
could overlap that with the bigger international picture

1451
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,760
with other international players that are really, really

1452
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,000
invested in the tech field and surveillance and

1453
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,920
all sorts of different things. So why why

1454
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,704
don't we talk oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

1455
00:50:48,864 --> 00:50:50,305
Don't don't you find it funny that the

1456
00:50:50,305 --> 00:50:52,965
the origin stories are this are very similar?

1457
00:50:53,585 --> 00:50:56,385
Freshman nerd in his Harvard dorm room starts

1458
00:50:56,385 --> 00:50:57,125
a transformational

1459
00:50:57,505 --> 00:50:59,605
technology company with stolen technology.

1460
00:50:59,905 --> 00:51:00,405
Mhmm.

1461
00:51:00,785 --> 00:51:02,969
Turns it takes it and goes public and

1462
00:51:02,969 --> 00:51:05,369
winds up, making billions of dollars. Who am

1463
00:51:05,369 --> 00:51:06,809
I talking about? Am I talking about Bill

1464
00:51:06,809 --> 00:51:07,309
Gates?

1465
00:51:07,610 --> 00:51:09,369
Am I talking about Mark Zuckerberg? Because it's

1466
00:51:09,369 --> 00:51:10,909
the same origin story.

1467
00:51:11,369 --> 00:51:13,690
Identical. Or it's I started it out of

1468
00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:16,250
my garage in Silicon Valley, like HP or,

1469
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:17,644
like, Apple or whoever.

1470
00:51:18,105 --> 00:51:20,105
You know, you you Google started it out

1471
00:51:20,105 --> 00:51:22,344
of your garage. Something about these garages. I

1472
00:51:22,344 --> 00:51:23,164
think, really,

1473
00:51:23,785 --> 00:51:25,724
if they wanna give it one deviation

1474
00:51:26,344 --> 00:51:27,085
less connected

1475
00:51:27,545 --> 00:51:28,664
tissue to the,

1476
00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:30,364
to the government,

1477
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,900
They just run it through the venture capital

1478
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,440
firms on Sand Hill Road. You know? And

1479
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,960
then and then it's money that it looks

1480
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,200
like it's private money. And Peter Thiel's got

1481
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,880
a venture capital fund. You know? I mean,

1482
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,099
he's Mhmm. So

1483
00:51:43,445 --> 00:51:45,204
so where is the money coming from? Well,

1484
00:51:45,204 --> 00:51:47,125
it's coming from these VCs and they're, you

1485
00:51:47,125 --> 00:51:49,045
know, it's seed funding and maybe a second

1486
00:51:49,045 --> 00:51:51,045
round or whatever, and we're we're just trying

1487
00:51:51,045 --> 00:51:52,565
to go public. And if you're a a

1488
00:51:52,565 --> 00:51:55,284
tech, you know, guy starting your company, you're

1489
00:51:55,284 --> 00:51:57,530
just constantly looking for money. I mean, it's

1490
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:59,449
half of your job is finding more money.

1491
00:51:59,449 --> 00:52:00,969
Sometimes you don't get to choose who you

1492
00:52:00,969 --> 00:52:02,730
take the money from or you and and

1493
00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:04,089
if the government comes to you or the

1494
00:52:04,089 --> 00:52:05,869
CIA, maybe you go, no. I'm not interested.

1495
00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:07,469
But what's the difference between

1496
00:52:07,929 --> 00:52:11,275
Google Ventures and the CIA to me? Nothing

1497
00:52:11,275 --> 00:52:13,914
really. Maybe just one layer of of one

1498
00:52:13,914 --> 00:52:14,414
one

1499
00:52:15,195 --> 00:52:17,594
hop away, but it's it it feels like

1500
00:52:17,594 --> 00:52:18,974
it's, it it gives

1501
00:52:19,675 --> 00:52:20,494
tech companies

1502
00:52:20,954 --> 00:52:23,515
plausible deniability to say, we're not taking money

1503
00:52:23,515 --> 00:52:25,535
from the CIA. We're taking it from,

1504
00:52:26,619 --> 00:52:28,960
from from, you know, some other some VC.

1505
00:52:29,019 --> 00:52:30,559
And it's like, well yeah. But

1506
00:52:31,019 --> 00:52:32,559
the CIA is on their board.

1507
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:33,440
So

1508
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:35,739
Right. And the question remains or rather the

1509
00:52:35,739 --> 00:52:37,019
point to make is that whether or not

1510
00:52:37,019 --> 00:52:38,460
they're aware of it, if it's the case,

1511
00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:40,825
is irrelevant in the in the context of

1512
00:52:40,825 --> 00:52:42,184
whether this is what we're dealing with, you

1513
00:52:42,184 --> 00:52:43,704
know, and then it's willful ignorance. And, you

1514
00:52:43,704 --> 00:52:44,825
know, a lot of these people I mean,

1515
00:52:44,825 --> 00:52:46,025
it may even be that they just don't

1516
00:52:46,025 --> 00:52:47,945
even care. Like, maybe they have no objections

1517
00:52:47,945 --> 00:52:49,305
anyway, so why even look? You know? So

1518
00:52:49,305 --> 00:52:50,744
it's it's just a very important thing to

1519
00:52:50,744 --> 00:52:52,445
think about how much this overlaps.

1520
00:52:52,744 --> 00:52:55,164
There's, Derek come back and his, Internet crashed.

1521
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,400
Well, I was gonna jump into from there

1522
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,719
the larger conversation about where deal to me

1523
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,039
out. Yeah. Yeah. As well as maybe the

1524
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:04,719
main core point to discuss, but, Derek, I'll

1525
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,000
throw it to you because you were gonna

1526
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,359
go to a point there before we move

1527
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:07,859
forward.

1528
00:53:09,714 --> 00:53:11,875
Yeah. So I just wanted to point out,

1529
00:53:11,875 --> 00:53:13,155
I have my article. I don't know if

1530
00:53:13,155 --> 00:53:14,355
you still have it pulled up, Ryan, the

1531
00:53:14,355 --> 00:53:16,835
one, welcome to the Palantir world order. I

1532
00:53:16,835 --> 00:53:18,675
had oh, you know, basically, this article is

1533
00:53:18,675 --> 00:53:20,514
a summary of all the different projects Palantir

1534
00:53:20,514 --> 00:53:22,034
is doing with the Trump administration. A few

1535
00:53:22,034 --> 00:53:23,670
of them have been mentioned, You know, the

1536
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:27,030
IRS partnership, helping ICE find people. They're working

1537
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:28,869
on a nuclear energy project, which is part

1538
00:53:28,869 --> 00:53:30,170
of helping, you know,

1539
00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:32,389
power all the AI centers and data centers

1540
00:53:32,389 --> 00:53:34,389
they wanna build. And there's there's a few

1541
00:53:34,389 --> 00:53:36,889
others, and each of these does have Palantir

1542
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:38,089
teal connections.

1543
00:53:38,424 --> 00:53:39,944
But I specifically have a section called the

1544
00:53:39,944 --> 00:53:42,424
Doge teal connection, and I was building on

1545
00:53:42,424 --> 00:53:44,824
a previous article that I wrote right after

1546
00:53:44,824 --> 00:53:46,904
the election once Trump started naming people to

1547
00:53:46,904 --> 00:53:49,464
his cabinet. And at that time, I found

1548
00:53:49,464 --> 00:53:50,984
at least 10 people who were what I

1549
00:53:50,984 --> 00:53:53,569
was calling Peter Thiel acolytes in Trump's administration

1550
00:53:53,710 --> 00:53:54,609
in different positions.

1551
00:53:54,909 --> 00:53:57,949
That's JD Vance, Elon Musk, David Sacks, Howard

1552
00:53:57,949 --> 00:54:00,989
Lutnick, Jim O'Neil at the HHS, Ken Howery,

1553
00:54:00,989 --> 00:54:02,449
who's the ambassador at Denmark,

1554
00:54:03,069 --> 00:54:04,849
Jacob Helberg, Michael Kratios,

1555
00:54:05,309 --> 00:54:07,385
and on. And then this is kind of

1556
00:54:07,385 --> 00:54:09,465
like an update to it where there's been

1557
00:54:09,465 --> 00:54:11,945
new reporting since then, some in the mainstream

1558
00:54:11,945 --> 00:54:14,105
and just others digging. And I've list out

1559
00:54:14,105 --> 00:54:15,224
a bunch of people. I'm not gonna go

1560
00:54:15,224 --> 00:54:16,824
through all the names because the names probably

1561
00:54:16,824 --> 00:54:18,824
won't be familiar to most people. But the

1562
00:54:18,824 --> 00:54:21,510
point is these are former employee of Palantir,

1563
00:54:21,730 --> 00:54:24,529
former software engineer at Palantir, formerly of Andriel,

1564
00:54:24,529 --> 00:54:26,469
which is another Teal, project,

1565
00:54:27,089 --> 00:54:27,909
chief information

1566
00:54:28,529 --> 00:54:29,909
officer at Palantir,

1567
00:54:30,849 --> 00:54:31,989
former Teal fellow,

1568
00:54:32,644 --> 00:54:34,425
political donations from Teal,

1569
00:54:34,885 --> 00:54:36,964
formerly Andrille. So these are just all sorts

1570
00:54:36,964 --> 00:54:39,525
of different people in different places, but mostly

1571
00:54:39,525 --> 00:54:40,824
working with Doge.

1572
00:54:41,204 --> 00:54:43,045
And so by my last count, and this

1573
00:54:43,045 --> 00:54:44,444
article's over a month now,

1574
00:54:44,885 --> 00:54:47,065
there was 18 to 20 people

1575
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:49,420
directly connected to Peter Thiel. There may be

1576
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:52,059
some more, you know, looser connections, but people

1577
00:54:52,059 --> 00:54:54,700
who worked with him directly or received money

1578
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:56,320
from him, worked in one of his organizations,

1579
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:56,880
etcetera.

1580
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:59,260
And, also and I I sent these other

1581
00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:00,380
links, Ryan. I don't know if you were

1582
00:55:00,380 --> 00:55:02,559
able to open them. They're in the, private

1583
00:55:02,724 --> 00:55:05,045
chat, but I can't claim credit for this.

1584
00:55:05,045 --> 00:55:06,484
The but I somebody sent this to me

1585
00:55:06,484 --> 00:55:08,184
this morning that apparently,

1586
00:55:08,724 --> 00:55:10,405
the guy who yeah. So this is like

1587
00:55:10,405 --> 00:55:12,244
a thread. Shout out to Jurassic Carl. I

1588
00:55:12,244 --> 00:55:13,364
have no idea who he is. He just

1589
00:55:13,364 --> 00:55:14,344
sent this to me.

1590
00:55:14,724 --> 00:55:16,559
But this thread goes through and you can

1591
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,079
see how the name he's tagged is not

1592
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:19,680
showing up there because apparently, the guy blocked

1593
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,700
him. But if you go to underscore jbaxter

1594
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:22,579
underscore,

1595
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:25,780
that guy apparently is a former Palantir,

1596
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,480
employee and in that thread, they show his

1597
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,579
resume and they show his positions at Palantir.

1598
00:55:30,924 --> 00:55:33,324
And he's also I think his title is

1599
00:55:33,324 --> 00:55:35,424
chief engineer of community notes.

1600
00:55:35,804 --> 00:55:37,585
So you got a former Palantir

1601
00:55:37,964 --> 00:55:40,625
employee engineer who's actually in charge of Twitter's,

1602
00:55:41,164 --> 00:55:42,385
community notes program

1603
00:55:42,764 --> 00:55:44,924
and that's just another see right there's community

1604
00:55:44,924 --> 00:55:48,569
notes, founding ML lead, staff, ML engineer at

1605
00:55:48,569 --> 00:55:49,549
x and

1606
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:51,529
from MIT. And, yeah, you can get more

1607
00:55:51,529 --> 00:55:52,969
of his background and find out he worked

1608
00:55:52,969 --> 00:55:55,130
for Palantir. So that was just another random

1609
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:56,969
connection that I'd never heard of just to

1610
00:55:56,969 --> 00:55:57,949
show this relationship

1611
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:58,750
between

1612
00:55:59,565 --> 00:56:00,065
Doge,

1613
00:56:00,525 --> 00:56:03,164
Elon Musk, Twitter, etcetera. I mean, there's there's

1614
00:56:03,164 --> 00:56:04,364
so many of them. I'm sure the web

1615
00:56:04,364 --> 00:56:06,364
is even bigger than I'm talking about here.

1616
00:56:06,364 --> 00:56:07,984
I'm I'm sure you guys have other insights.

1617
00:56:08,364 --> 00:56:09,724
But, yeah, I just wanted to make that

1618
00:56:09,724 --> 00:56:11,644
point that for those who don't quite realize

1619
00:56:11,644 --> 00:56:13,025
how close Elon is

1620
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:14,010
to Palantir,

1621
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:15,670
there you go. You can go scroll through

1622
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:17,930
his, resume and people can find that.

1623
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:20,950
It's it's extensive. It's extensive. And, you know,

1624
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:22,170
how that relates to

1625
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:24,789
whatever spats going on with Trump, obviously, we

1626
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:26,789
shared earlier. There's some theories, but all I

1627
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:28,974
know is that the current Trump administration, the

1628
00:56:28,974 --> 00:56:31,775
second Trump two point o, is knee deep

1629
00:56:31,775 --> 00:56:34,275
with Palantir. And if Palantir isn't

1630
00:56:35,054 --> 00:56:37,315
description of you know, isn't a representation

1631
00:56:37,614 --> 00:56:38,974
of the deep state, I don't know what

1632
00:56:38,974 --> 00:56:41,190
is. Including the fact that they're we've already

1633
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:43,269
covered the CIA connections and origins, but I'll

1634
00:56:43,269 --> 00:56:43,929
just reemphasize

1635
00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:46,170
the two heads of the company.

1636
00:56:46,550 --> 00:56:47,670
Many of them you know, many of the

1637
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:49,750
other, cofounders are also connected to the Great

1638
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:51,289
Power Mafia, but Alex Carpenter

1639
00:56:52,469 --> 00:56:54,550
are Bilderberg student committee members. So that means

1640
00:56:54,550 --> 00:56:56,644
next week when this hidden ruling class that,

1641
00:56:56,644 --> 00:56:59,125
as Jason Bermas said, no mainstream media is

1642
00:56:59,125 --> 00:57:01,684
reporting on, barely in the and independent media

1643
00:57:01,684 --> 00:57:03,284
still pays up pays attention to it these

1644
00:57:03,284 --> 00:57:03,784
days.

1645
00:57:04,164 --> 00:57:06,244
The two heads of this massive company with

1646
00:57:06,244 --> 00:57:09,125
all these US contracts, military industrial complex contracts

1647
00:57:09,125 --> 00:57:10,880
will be, you know, steering that meeting

1648
00:57:11,739 --> 00:57:12,880
along with other people,

1649
00:57:13,339 --> 00:57:16,000
including former CEO of Google Eric Schmidt.

1650
00:57:19,019 --> 00:57:20,460
And I think this is you know, it's

1651
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:23,094
it's so hard to miss how invasive,

1652
00:57:23,394 --> 00:57:25,894
how completely all encompassing this has become. And

1653
00:57:26,114 --> 00:57:27,474
maybe maybe you don't mind that. Maybe you

1654
00:57:27,474 --> 00:57:29,954
think this is somebody, you know, just going

1655
00:57:29,954 --> 00:57:32,514
after the deep state data despite very clearly

1656
00:57:32,514 --> 00:57:34,275
taking all the personal data about you, and

1657
00:57:34,275 --> 00:57:36,190
that's been, you know, verified. The argument being

1658
00:57:36,190 --> 00:57:37,390
out there today that they're just gonna use

1659
00:57:37,390 --> 00:57:38,590
this to go after the other, you know,

1660
00:57:38,590 --> 00:57:41,010
the bad government, which is just patently balls.

1661
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:43,070
So let's talk about where this goes for

1662
00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:44,750
I well, I did I wanna talk about

1663
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:47,410
the overlap of this as it goes into

1664
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:50,465
the connection of the great reset, let's say.

1665
00:57:50,465 --> 00:57:52,545
Build back better. And then let's talk about

1666
00:57:52,545 --> 00:57:54,545
the AI direction and how that is becoming

1667
00:57:54,545 --> 00:57:56,305
all encompassing everywhere. But I was hoping to

1668
00:57:56,305 --> 00:57:57,505
get Jason's thought on this since he put

1669
00:57:57,505 --> 00:57:58,864
this out. But I think this is a

1670
00:57:58,864 --> 00:58:00,945
very important thing to think about. Right? Where

1671
00:58:01,105 --> 00:58:01,985
and I'm not and this is not to

1672
00:58:01,985 --> 00:58:03,549
be that you think it's exact it is

1673
00:58:03,549 --> 00:58:05,389
the same thing or the same people, but

1674
00:58:05,389 --> 00:58:08,030
that the idea of where the the great

1675
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:10,269
reset, you know, the the the World Economic

1676
00:58:10,269 --> 00:58:12,429
Forum kind of vision and where that's going,

1677
00:58:12,429 --> 00:58:13,789
what do you guys think about that in

1678
00:58:13,789 --> 00:58:15,710
regard to what's currently happening? Is it the

1679
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:17,914
same thing? Is it different the different flavor?

1680
00:58:17,914 --> 00:58:19,594
I'm curious what you guys think. Well, let

1681
00:58:19,594 --> 00:58:20,954
me just say this just because,

1682
00:58:21,355 --> 00:58:23,675
Derek has been mentioning Alex Karp a lot.

1683
00:58:23,675 --> 00:58:25,295
Alex Karp is kinda

1684
00:58:25,594 --> 00:58:28,635
on that media hype train via the World

1685
00:58:28,635 --> 00:58:29,614
Economic Forum

1686
00:58:30,030 --> 00:58:32,690
and these other globalist institutions constantly.

1687
00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:35,329
He's the one showing up to CES.

1688
00:58:36,110 --> 00:58:36,849
I forget

1689
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:38,750
exactly I I'm not sure if it was

1690
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:40,590
the World Economic Forum. It may have been.

1691
00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:42,110
It may have been one of those offshoots,

1692
00:58:42,110 --> 00:58:44,744
but just three weeks ago, I did a

1693
00:58:44,744 --> 00:58:47,065
watch along with him on a forum with

1694
00:58:47,065 --> 00:58:49,964
other people from Google and other international

1695
00:58:50,505 --> 00:58:51,324
AI companies

1696
00:58:51,784 --> 00:58:54,105
kinda talked about this. You know, it was

1697
00:58:54,105 --> 00:58:56,505
always unsettling to me and always a bit

1698
00:58:56,505 --> 00:58:57,005
surreal.

1699
00:58:58,089 --> 00:59:00,570
I remember not believing it when it first

1700
00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:02,969
came across during the COVID nineteen eighty four

1701
00:59:02,969 --> 00:59:03,469
nightmare

1702
00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:06,489
that there was this idea of a great

1703
00:59:06,489 --> 00:59:09,789
reset by the World Economic Forum. I'm like,

1704
00:59:09,929 --> 00:59:12,235
no. There there's not re they're not really

1705
00:59:12,235 --> 00:59:13,454
doing this. And then

1706
00:59:13,994 --> 00:59:16,974
there was that panel with Schmidt,

1707
00:59:17,755 --> 00:59:18,255
with,

1708
00:59:18,635 --> 00:59:22,155
Kissinger before he died, you know, espousing this

1709
00:59:22,155 --> 00:59:24,315
great reset agenda on behalf of the World

1710
00:59:24,315 --> 00:59:26,369
Economic Forum. I was kinda blown away.

1711
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:29,170
You know, I I think they are in

1712
00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:29,670
line

1713
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:32,530
with the same agenda. But, again, you have

1714
00:59:32,530 --> 00:59:35,010
to have those opposing sides. Right? You've got

1715
00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:36,230
so many of these people

1716
00:59:36,769 --> 00:59:39,570
blindsided by the idea that Peter Thiel is

1717
00:59:39,570 --> 00:59:41,269
some kind of libertarian.

1718
00:59:41,905 --> 00:59:44,405
Right? That's the mask that he wears.

1719
00:59:44,785 --> 00:59:46,965
Yet, you know, you go back to my

1720
00:59:47,025 --> 00:59:48,005
2013

1721
00:59:48,065 --> 00:59:48,805
film, Shade,

1722
00:59:49,425 --> 00:59:49,925
and

1723
00:59:50,385 --> 00:59:52,945
Webster Tarpley, probably one of the biggest socialist

1724
00:59:52,945 --> 00:59:55,345
out there, rightly pointed out that Thiel had

1725
00:59:55,345 --> 00:59:57,204
plans for a private island

1726
00:59:57,570 --> 00:59:59,730
with no laws whatsoever. And if you think

1727
00:59:59,730 --> 01:00:00,710
that that's fiction,

1728
01:00:01,090 --> 01:00:03,170
remember, this is the guy that got convicted

1729
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:04,469
in a court of law

1730
01:00:04,769 --> 01:00:05,910
for running offshore

1731
01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:09,170
experiments to try to cure herpes. I wonder

1732
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:09,824
why, Pete.

1733
01:00:11,585 --> 01:00:13,344
I'm just I'm just saying, like like, a

1734
01:00:13,344 --> 01:00:16,144
guy that will be that wild is wild

1735
01:00:16,144 --> 01:00:16,644
enough

1736
01:00:16,945 --> 01:00:19,505
to try to create his own island or

1737
01:00:19,505 --> 01:00:22,199
his own vision for government. And, you know,

1738
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:25,159
Alex Karp doesn't get brought in. And and

1739
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,420
you look at Karp, and he's got such

1740
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,519
Gates vibes. Right? Like, let's put the sweater

1741
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:33,079
on Karp. You know? Let's put the wacky

1742
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:35,019
glasses and the haircut on Karp.

1743
01:00:35,875 --> 01:00:38,775
Every time I see Karp actually get challenged

1744
01:00:38,994 --> 01:00:40,994
on his bull snap, he does not do

1745
01:00:40,994 --> 01:00:41,494
well.

1746
01:00:41,795 --> 01:00:43,335
He gets extremely excited.

1747
01:00:44,035 --> 01:00:45,655
He talks extremely quickly,

1748
01:00:45,954 --> 01:00:47,175
and he basically,

1749
01:00:47,474 --> 01:00:48,775
you know, gives this

1750
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:50,289
jingoistic,

1751
01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:52,349
you know, answer that we've gotta do it

1752
01:00:52,349 --> 01:00:53,710
or the bad guys are gonna do it,

1753
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:55,469
so we're gonna do it. That's it. Right?

1754
01:00:55,469 --> 01:00:57,469
That that's the big thing. And when Peter

1755
01:00:57,469 --> 01:00:59,150
Thiel was put on the spot again on

1756
01:00:59,150 --> 01:01:01,070
Lavender, I mean, it's the clip of the

1757
01:01:01,070 --> 01:01:02,050
year so far.

1758
01:01:02,349 --> 01:01:03,889
He's visibly uncomfortable.

1759
01:01:04,664 --> 01:01:07,005
He forgets the second part of the question

1760
01:01:07,224 --> 01:01:10,285
altogether and has to ask it. He stutters.

1761
01:01:10,425 --> 01:01:11,164
He stammers.

1762
01:01:11,545 --> 01:01:12,925
And then he gives, again,

1763
01:01:13,224 --> 01:01:15,164
this Johnny nonsense answer

1764
01:01:15,465 --> 01:01:16,765
that if he capitulates

1765
01:01:17,304 --> 01:01:18,285
to her point

1766
01:01:19,070 --> 01:01:21,630
and even makes a comment on it, then

1767
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:22,130
somehow

1768
01:01:22,510 --> 01:01:25,090
we're governing the world from Cambridge.

1769
01:01:25,949 --> 01:01:26,610
As if

1770
01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:27,650
Palantir

1771
01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:31,150
isn't advocating to be a large part of

1772
01:01:31,150 --> 01:01:33,885
the global police force anyway, And not just

1773
01:01:33,885 --> 01:01:34,385
advocating

1774
01:01:34,844 --> 01:01:35,505
for it,

1775
01:01:35,965 --> 01:01:37,105
they're part of it.

1776
01:01:38,684 --> 01:01:40,844
I don't know, man. According to Alex Jones,

1777
01:01:40,844 --> 01:01:42,864
they're just a little startup company

1778
01:01:43,565 --> 01:01:46,605
that you know? And they're really shaking up

1779
01:01:46,605 --> 01:01:48,599
the deep state because they're outside. That's what

1780
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:50,360
he said. That's what he like, word for

1781
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,200
word, what he's saying. I know. I I

1782
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,980
heard that original rant. He

1783
01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:56,360
walked a lot of that back today is

1784
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:57,480
all I'm gonna say.

1785
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,660
Stone came on, and Stone

1786
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:01,019
was rightfully,

1787
01:02:02,034 --> 01:02:04,594
more Well, because it doesn't matter what you

1788
01:02:04,594 --> 01:02:07,635
said. I'm not disagreeing with you, Steve. I'm

1789
01:02:07,635 --> 01:02:09,474
just telling you he walked a bunch of

1790
01:02:09,474 --> 01:02:12,375
that Palantir stuff back. I I watched listen.

1791
01:02:12,594 --> 01:02:14,914
I watched that original. You know, Palantir's just

1792
01:02:14,914 --> 01:02:16,349
coming in and trying to, you know, become

1793
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:18,590
you know, challenge the old deep state reefer.

1794
01:02:18,590 --> 01:02:20,430
Turns out I looked into it and, hey,

1795
01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:20,930
y'all.

1796
01:02:21,309 --> 01:02:22,769
To the best of my determination

1797
01:02:23,070 --> 01:02:23,570
now.

1798
01:02:25,070 --> 01:02:26,769
Now. Not not yesterday.

1799
01:02:27,150 --> 01:02:28,750
I was busy. I was barbecuing. I was

1800
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:30,295
out with my family. I took a dip

1801
01:02:30,295 --> 01:02:32,335
in the river. I commune with nature and

1802
01:02:32,335 --> 01:02:35,015
the Lord. But today, this morning, I looked

1803
01:02:35,015 --> 01:02:36,534
into it a little bit, and I found

1804
01:02:36,534 --> 01:02:37,034
out,

1805
01:02:37,815 --> 01:02:39,355
maybe they're not the best.

1806
01:02:40,534 --> 01:02:42,054
And he he also blamed it on the

1807
01:02:42,054 --> 01:02:44,539
left, which it it's just it's actually it's

1808
01:02:44,539 --> 01:02:46,539
cartoonish, the argument that was made based on

1809
01:02:46,539 --> 01:02:48,860
basic facts that anybody can prove. That's that's

1810
01:02:48,860 --> 01:02:50,619
that's what really frustrated me about it. We

1811
01:02:50,619 --> 01:02:51,820
laughed about it on AM Wake Up, and

1812
01:02:51,820 --> 01:02:53,340
it's the, you know, the point is simply

1813
01:02:53,340 --> 01:02:54,940
that it's very clear that there's a an

1814
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:56,940
army of sycophants out there that are going

1815
01:02:56,940 --> 01:02:58,394
out of their way. Like, I laugh more

1816
01:02:58,394 --> 01:03:00,235
about the, you know, Benny Johnson cat tour

1817
01:03:00,235 --> 01:03:01,434
type. They're like, it's a great day and

1818
01:03:01,434 --> 01:03:03,355
Trump's doing everything he wants, you know. Winning,

1819
01:03:03,355 --> 01:03:05,275
hashtag promises kept. All day, like, just trying

1820
01:03:05,275 --> 01:03:06,715
to put out these side steps to be

1821
01:03:06,715 --> 01:03:08,394
like, don't pay attention to the it's that

1822
01:03:08,394 --> 01:03:10,440
meme. Everything's fine. That's what I feel all

1823
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:11,719
day today. It's all they're all going like,

1824
01:03:11,719 --> 01:03:14,119
everything's okay. Stop paying attention. But I I

1825
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:15,960
do I think that the the Karp aspect

1826
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,239
of it is correct as you said. And

1827
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:18,760
by the way, Jason, before I forget, send

1828
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,800
me a link to Shade so I can

1829
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,079
include that in in the show notes. I

1830
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:22,280
wasn't able to find it on, you know,

1831
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:23,500
one that I wanna share.

1832
01:03:24,125 --> 01:03:25,565
But the the clip for Karp that I'll

1833
01:03:25,565 --> 01:03:27,565
I'll play in a second is worth watching

1834
01:03:27,565 --> 01:03:28,784
because he is on

1835
01:03:29,164 --> 01:03:31,324
a recent channel. I think it's MSNBC, and

1836
01:03:31,324 --> 01:03:33,405
it's just very apparent. I think it was

1837
01:03:33,405 --> 01:03:34,925
Jimmy Dore that said, you know, she doth

1838
01:03:34,925 --> 01:03:36,444
doth protest too much kind of a point

1839
01:03:36,444 --> 01:03:38,045
where it's just like, you can clearly tell

1840
01:03:38,045 --> 01:03:39,650
that he's, like, just freaking out about what

1841
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:40,930
the New York Times is writing. And I

1842
01:03:40,930 --> 01:03:43,730
think he's lying in very basic ways. But

1843
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:45,090
I'd like to talk about I wanna add

1844
01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:46,769
something to that. Yeah. Go go ahead. Go

1845
01:03:46,769 --> 01:03:48,849
ahead. Real quick before about what Jason said,

1846
01:03:48,849 --> 01:03:50,410
just to pick up on that thread because,

1847
01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:52,210
you know, we we talk about Alex Karp

1848
01:03:52,210 --> 01:03:54,390
and and Jason's right. He deserves more attention.

1849
01:03:54,664 --> 01:03:56,425
Peter Thiel is becoming more well known, but,

1850
01:03:56,425 --> 01:03:58,224
also, we have to think about Palmer Luckey.

1851
01:03:58,224 --> 01:03:59,945
I saw somebody mentioned him in the comments.

1852
01:03:59,945 --> 01:04:02,025
He's also a lesser known,

1853
01:04:02,505 --> 01:04:03,005
Palantir

1854
01:04:03,304 --> 01:04:03,804
cofounder.

1855
01:04:04,585 --> 01:04:06,844
I encourage people to go watch this short

1856
01:04:06,905 --> 01:04:08,204
video. By the way.

1857
01:04:09,030 --> 01:04:10,390
Oh, well, I just wanna mention he was

1858
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:11,690
on sixty minutes recently,

1859
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:14,070
and he basically did the same dance that

1860
01:04:14,070 --> 01:04:15,989
Karp did that you were just describing based

1861
01:04:15,989 --> 01:04:17,670
on where he just like, well, you know,

1862
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:19,429
we gotta do some stuff. He's like, he's

1863
01:04:19,429 --> 01:04:21,590
the cool flip flop wearing, you know, mullet

1864
01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:22,090
having

1865
01:04:22,514 --> 01:04:24,674
billionaire, you know, PayPal mafia, and just they

1866
01:04:24,674 --> 01:04:26,194
try to brand him. He's just such a

1867
01:04:26,194 --> 01:04:28,434
outsider renegade. But he had the same kind

1868
01:04:28,434 --> 01:04:30,434
of responses that both Karp and Teal. Teal

1869
01:04:30,434 --> 01:04:32,454
said, oh, well, I just defer to Israel.

1870
01:04:32,514 --> 01:04:34,135
Whatever they do, you know, I just trust

1871
01:04:34,594 --> 01:04:36,034
that if they know what they're doing. And

1872
01:04:36,034 --> 01:04:38,410
Karp's like, well, we're trying to kill terrorists

1873
01:04:38,410 --> 01:04:40,750
and maybe we kill some people other people.

1874
01:04:40,969 --> 01:04:42,809
And Palmer Luckey pretty much has the same

1875
01:04:42,809 --> 01:04:44,809
argument. They're like, well, we gotta build these

1876
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:47,309
things. Otherwise, other bad people will, and

1877
01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:49,610
that might lead some bad places. But if

1878
01:04:49,610 --> 01:04:50,809
we don't do it, other people are going

1879
01:04:50,809 --> 01:04:52,025
to. So I just wanna mention, I'm glad

1880
01:04:52,025 --> 01:04:53,785
you guys talked about him before, but they

1881
01:04:53,945 --> 01:04:55,864
none of them have any sort of morals

1882
01:04:55,864 --> 01:04:58,425
or any ethics about this at all. If

1883
01:04:58,425 --> 01:05:00,184
they also don't if it was a war

1884
01:05:00,184 --> 01:05:02,125
criminal, it would be Palmer lucky.

1885
01:05:03,385 --> 01:05:06,569
The the the another common denominator I think

1886
01:05:06,569 --> 01:05:08,750
is important, none of these guys have children.

1887
01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:12,269
They have no stake in this. Right.

1888
01:05:13,289 --> 01:05:15,130
This is this is a common thread I've

1889
01:05:15,130 --> 01:05:16,670
noticed with a lot of these guys.

1890
01:05:17,049 --> 01:05:17,869
Yeah. You know?

1891
01:05:18,864 --> 01:05:19,364
Wait.

1892
01:05:19,905 --> 01:05:22,164
I think your your worldview changes.

1893
01:05:22,864 --> 01:05:24,545
I mean, it it has to when you

1894
01:05:24,545 --> 01:05:26,305
when you have kids. And and some people,

1895
01:05:26,305 --> 01:05:26,885
you know,

1896
01:05:27,265 --> 01:05:29,105
age is a thing. Some in in the

1897
01:05:29,105 --> 01:05:31,480
case of Peter Thiel and and Alex Karp,

1898
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,880
it's their sexuality prevents them from having kids

1899
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,119
unless they wanna buy them. But there's there's

1900
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:37,880
a lot of this going on. I'm very

1901
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:38,380
distrustful

1902
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,680
of those people. The people that are running

1903
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:41,579
weapon systems

1904
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:44,140
that don't have any skin in the game

1905
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:45,660
is a big problem to me.

1906
01:05:46,514 --> 01:05:48,275
I agree. I mean, we can you guys,

1907
01:05:48,275 --> 01:05:49,315
let's just play that. It's a little bit

1908
01:05:49,315 --> 01:05:50,514
long. We can stop it if you guys

1909
01:05:50,514 --> 01:05:52,194
like. Let's let's play this clip. And anybody

1910
01:05:52,194 --> 01:05:53,394
jump in? You wanna have a comment? I'll

1911
01:05:53,394 --> 01:05:54,594
pause it. Let's watch this. So I think

1912
01:05:54,594 --> 01:05:56,355
this is actually a really it it it's

1913
01:05:56,594 --> 01:05:58,739
I feel it's, like, self evident that he's

1914
01:05:58,739 --> 01:06:01,300
really uncomfortable. And as you said, he's usually

1915
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:02,980
pretty erratic. To me, this seems like it's

1916
01:06:02,980 --> 01:06:05,059
on overdrive. And this was very recently post

1917
01:06:05,059 --> 01:06:06,659
New York Times article on how they discussed

1918
01:06:06,659 --> 01:06:08,039
this. Jump in if you have a comment.

1919
01:06:08,260 --> 01:06:09,639
The Palantir platform,

1920
01:06:10,179 --> 01:06:11,940
despite what you might read at the New

1921
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:15,164
York Times Yeah. Is actually the most secure,

1922
01:06:15,545 --> 01:06:16,364
the hardest

1923
01:06:16,905 --> 01:06:20,025
platform in the world to manipulate and change.

1924
01:06:20,025 --> 01:06:22,824
Of course, any technology can be abused. But

1925
01:06:22,824 --> 01:06:25,065
if you wanted to abuse a technology, if

1926
01:06:25,065 --> 01:06:27,224
you wanted to use the deep state to

1927
01:06:27,224 --> 01:06:27,724
unlawfully

1928
01:06:28,025 --> 01:06:29,730
surveil people, the last

1929
01:06:30,110 --> 01:06:32,269
platform on the world you would pick is

1930
01:06:32,269 --> 01:06:36,289
Palantir because of the granular way we segment

1931
01:06:36,590 --> 01:06:38,910
and put together and the security models and

1932
01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:41,090
the access control models that are in Foundry

1933
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:43,864
natively, not a built on addendum. And by

1934
01:06:43,864 --> 01:06:45,864
the way I'll add that Foundry, I've looked

1935
01:06:45,864 --> 01:06:47,385
into in general, and it's not hard to

1936
01:06:47,385 --> 01:06:49,704
find these overlaps, especially since they align themselves

1937
01:06:49,704 --> 01:06:52,065
with the strategic partnership with Israel in January

1938
01:06:52,065 --> 01:06:54,505
2024. But the Foundry is very much overlap

1939
01:06:54,505 --> 01:06:56,180
with Israel in a lot of ways. And

1940
01:06:56,180 --> 01:06:58,260
foundry is, like, the main thing being put

1941
01:06:58,260 --> 01:07:00,119
into every one of these, you know,

1942
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:02,039
agencies in this country to

1943
01:07:02,420 --> 01:07:04,340
secure the data. So even if it is

1944
01:07:04,340 --> 01:07:05,860
as secure as they say, which I wouldn't

1945
01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:07,780
doubt, it's about who has access to that

1946
01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:09,460
and who can use it, and it's clear

1947
01:07:09,460 --> 01:07:10,360
who does today.

1948
01:07:11,894 --> 01:07:15,015
Hey. That focus on civil liberties is making

1949
01:07:15,015 --> 01:07:17,035
us really rich, which

1950
01:07:17,575 --> 01:07:20,394
drives the woke pagan religious practicing,

1951
01:07:21,094 --> 01:07:25,170
neo Neanderthal thinking people who ignore technology

1952
01:07:25,469 --> 01:07:27,309
absolutely not nuts on the right and the

1953
01:07:27,309 --> 01:07:28,950
left while we're building that. By the way,

1954
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:30,190
I Can you just admit there's a woke

1955
01:07:30,190 --> 01:07:32,289
left and woke right? I think he did.

1956
01:07:33,309 --> 01:07:35,390
Ask for permission before I went nuts from

1957
01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:36,130
our wonderful,

1958
01:07:36,554 --> 01:07:37,375
slightly conservative,

1959
01:07:37,835 --> 01:07:40,074
and highly substantive partner. And he gave me

1960
01:07:40,074 --> 01:07:41,994
permission to embarrass him. He didn't realize it'd

1961
01:07:41,994 --> 01:07:43,755
be this embarrassing. I think it it comes

1962
01:07:43,755 --> 01:07:46,394
at the time. My views, not his. Okay.

1963
01:07:46,394 --> 01:07:48,094
So, Alex, let's get into that.

1964
01:07:48,530 --> 01:07:50,449
New York Times has an article. Here's the

1965
01:07:50,449 --> 01:07:53,250
headline. Trump taps Palantir to compile data on

1966
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:55,889
Americans. They paint a pretty Orwellian picture. Can

1967
01:07:55,889 --> 01:07:58,210
we pause what you and the Yeah. No.

1968
01:07:58,210 --> 01:07:59,409
Please jump in. That that's the only time

1969
01:07:59,409 --> 01:08:00,929
you have a comment. Go ahead. I just

1970
01:08:01,010 --> 01:08:01,510
I

1971
01:08:03,585 --> 01:08:04,085
did

1972
01:08:05,025 --> 01:08:06,085
did Elon

1973
01:08:07,184 --> 01:08:08,085
drop by

1974
01:08:08,704 --> 01:08:11,184
Alex's office and be like, yo, buddy. I'm

1975
01:08:11,184 --> 01:08:12,864
a need you to hold my briefcase. They're

1976
01:08:12,864 --> 01:08:14,724
kicking me out of DC this weekend.

1977
01:08:16,770 --> 01:08:19,329
And Alex, like, cracked it open. All of

1978
01:08:19,329 --> 01:08:20,149
a sudden, it

1979
01:08:20,449 --> 01:08:23,090
started glowing like on Pulp Fiction, and it

1980
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:25,989
was just, you know, Mars era ketamine.

1981
01:08:26,369 --> 01:08:28,449
And he was like, okay. Well, I'm gonna

1982
01:08:28,449 --> 01:08:31,045
do this with my daily Adderall and my

1983
01:08:31,045 --> 01:08:31,545
cocaine,

1984
01:08:31,845 --> 01:08:33,545
and then got on TV

1985
01:08:33,925 --> 01:08:35,845
to go do that because he was out

1986
01:08:35,845 --> 01:08:39,145
there waving his arms like he was being

1987
01:08:39,284 --> 01:08:41,925
inflated and trying to sell used cars in

1988
01:08:41,925 --> 01:08:42,905
a bad neighborhood.

1989
01:08:43,220 --> 01:08:44,979
He was out there flopping. It was a

1990
01:08:44,979 --> 01:08:48,680
little weird. It was. That's supposed to be

1991
01:08:48,899 --> 01:08:49,399
a,

1992
01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:51,800
a speech that

1993
01:08:52,420 --> 01:08:52,920
lends

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01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:53,720
confidence.

1995
01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:54,760
Yeah.

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01:08:55,699 --> 01:08:56,360
To the

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01:08:57,564 --> 01:08:58,064
Charlie.

1998
01:08:58,604 --> 01:08:59,104
Charlie,

1999
01:08:59,645 --> 01:09:00,944
you're in media relations.

2000
01:09:01,564 --> 01:09:03,104
Explain this, man.

2001
01:09:03,564 --> 01:09:04,064
Juxtapose

2002
01:09:04,444 --> 01:09:06,444
that with what you would tell a 22

2003
01:09:06,444 --> 01:09:07,425
year old athlete.

2004
01:09:08,444 --> 01:09:09,645
He's he's he's

2005
01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:12,780
he looks like he's selling washing machines on

2006
01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:14,939
Memorial Day for the weekend. You know? Yeah.

2007
01:09:14,939 --> 01:09:16,619
He's he's out of control. When the Adderall

2008
01:09:16,619 --> 01:09:17,900
kicks in, you you know, you just have

2009
01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:20,000
to go with it, I suppose. Has anybody

2010
01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:21,520
seen the movie 12 Monkeys?

2011
01:09:21,979 --> 01:09:22,425
Yeah.

2012
01:09:22,824 --> 01:09:25,064
Remember Brad Pitt in that? Yeah. You're right.

2013
01:09:25,064 --> 01:09:26,505
He has a very similar He has a

2014
01:09:26,505 --> 01:09:29,625
very, very similar energy. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

2015
01:09:29,625 --> 01:09:30,824
Yeah. I mean, that's the point. I mean,

2016
01:09:30,824 --> 01:09:32,505
the the character is meant to be erratic

2017
01:09:32,505 --> 01:09:34,344
and and, like, mentally unstable. Right? And so

2018
01:09:34,344 --> 01:09:36,090
it's it's a good parallel if you if

2019
01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:37,610
you think about it. Guy who thinks he's

2020
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:39,850
gonna be thrown out of a window by

2021
01:09:39,850 --> 01:09:42,890
far right Hamas at any given moment, and

2022
01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:45,229
that's why he needs security at all times.

2023
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:47,149
Like, those those are fast forward.

2024
01:09:47,824 --> 01:09:49,345
I want I want the guy in charge

2025
01:09:49,345 --> 01:09:50,945
of all the data to be a very

2026
01:09:50,945 --> 01:09:51,445
calm,

2027
01:09:51,905 --> 01:09:54,324
cool nerd, not some guy who looks frantic

2028
01:09:54,385 --> 01:09:55,045
like this,

2029
01:09:55,585 --> 01:09:57,905
like Alex Karp does. Well, give me, like,

2030
01:09:57,905 --> 01:10:00,945
a nine an early nineteen eighties Pan Am

2031
01:10:00,945 --> 01:10:01,445
pilot

2032
01:10:01,770 --> 01:10:03,069
before they went on.

2033
01:10:03,689 --> 01:10:06,170
Somebody who's been through a little bit, you

2034
01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:09,369
know, and okay. Maybe he'll, you know, maybe

2035
01:10:09,369 --> 01:10:10,969
he has a drink or two on his

2036
01:10:10,969 --> 01:10:13,929
off hours, but mostly, he's just there to

2037
01:10:13,929 --> 01:10:15,630
get you safe and get you home.

2038
01:10:16,085 --> 01:10:17,685
Alright, you guys. We're gonna be going through

2039
01:10:17,685 --> 01:10:19,364
a little bit of turbulence, but,

2040
01:10:20,405 --> 01:10:22,885
it's okay. That's who you want. You you

2041
01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:23,704
don't want

2042
01:10:24,085 --> 01:10:27,284
wacky hair inflatable arm guy. Yeah. He that's

2043
01:10:27,284 --> 01:10:29,090
a good good parallel too. But, you know,

2044
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:30,409
I think it's the point is that it

2045
01:10:30,409 --> 01:10:30,909
demonstrate

2046
01:10:31,210 --> 01:10:33,850
that they're they're very, very uncomfortable right now.

2047
01:10:33,850 --> 01:10:35,609
You know? Because he's erratic anyway, but he's

2048
01:10:35,609 --> 01:10:37,289
put out there because they you know, knowledgeable,

2049
01:10:37,289 --> 01:10:39,529
I guess, or whatever. But all of them,

2050
01:10:39,529 --> 01:10:41,689
we can play the short compilation of teal

2051
01:10:41,689 --> 01:10:43,210
as well. And this is not it's not

2052
01:10:43,210 --> 01:10:45,045
just today, you understand. As you pointed out

2053
01:10:45,045 --> 01:10:46,805
before, it's when e they get they get

2054
01:10:46,805 --> 01:10:48,725
asked about what they're doing in Israel, they

2055
01:10:48,725 --> 01:10:50,404
seem to melt down. I think that says

2056
01:10:50,404 --> 01:10:52,564
a lot. So you wanna keep playing this,

2057
01:10:52,564 --> 01:10:53,064
guys?

2058
01:10:53,765 --> 01:10:56,310
Sure. Sure. I wanna start working over here.

2059
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:58,949
I picked a random engineer, and I said,

2060
01:10:58,949 --> 01:10:59,989
we have by the way, we have a

2061
01:10:59,989 --> 01:11:00,489
contest.

2062
01:11:00,869 --> 01:11:02,250
Find all the technically

2063
01:11:02,789 --> 01:11:05,270
absolutely erroneous things in this article in ninety

2064
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:07,270
seconds. And I picked a random engineer. He's

2065
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:08,470
like I was like, well, how many do

2066
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:09,829
you think you could do in ninety seconds?

2067
01:11:09,829 --> 01:11:10,810
He's like, well,

2068
01:11:11,435 --> 01:11:11,935
fifteen,

2069
01:11:12,235 --> 01:11:14,715
twenty. Why ninety seconds? But but leaving aside

2070
01:11:14,715 --> 01:11:17,355
the technical look. It's probably hard to say.

2071
01:11:17,355 --> 01:11:18,655
I'm not sure. I'm

2072
01:11:19,114 --> 01:11:21,355
well, it's not well, first of all, on

2073
01:11:21,355 --> 01:11:23,855
the tech side Oh. It is so ridiculous.

2074
01:11:23,914 --> 01:11:25,960
I read the New York Times. It's literally

2075
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:27,719
like, I'm a dyslexic. They might as well

2076
01:11:27,719 --> 01:11:29,500
be hiring me to do a spelling bee.

2077
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:31,960
So and I maybe they just have friends

2078
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,719
who are tech bros, but they can't hire

2079
01:11:33,719 --> 01:11:35,800
on a meritocratic basis. I don't know. So

2080
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,739
that's up to them. We have a contest.

2081
01:11:38,114 --> 01:11:40,515
Find all the errors in ninety seconds. I

2082
01:11:40,515 --> 01:11:42,994
think somebody will find 50 or 60. But

2083
01:11:42,994 --> 01:11:44,454
the more important thing is

2084
01:11:44,994 --> 01:11:46,774
we are not surveilling Americans.

2085
01:11:47,074 --> 01:11:48,914
We are not building a database to surveil

2086
01:11:48,914 --> 01:11:51,329
it. And if you wanted to do that,

2087
01:11:51,570 --> 01:11:54,050
the last platform in the world you would

2088
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:55,030
buy is Palantir.

2089
01:11:55,409 --> 01:11:56,710
And don't believe me,

2090
01:11:57,090 --> 01:11:59,189
go look spend ten minutes

2091
01:11:59,890 --> 01:12:02,130
and look at the architecture of our product.

2092
01:12:02,130 --> 01:12:02,869
Ten minutes.

2093
01:12:03,574 --> 01:12:05,655
And then see how ridiculous that is. By

2094
01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:06,235
the way,

2095
01:12:06,695 --> 01:12:07,675
writing ridiculous

2096
01:12:08,055 --> 01:12:10,314
shit in a highly charged environment

2097
01:12:10,774 --> 01:12:12,774
is dangerous, and the New York Times should

2098
01:12:12,774 --> 01:12:15,574
take responsibility for the danger they're putting out

2099
01:12:15,574 --> 01:12:17,414
in the world. There really are people who

2100
01:12:17,414 --> 01:12:18,395
believe that crap.

2101
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:20,039
They believe

2102
01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:22,260
that. One thing that's true though is that

2103
01:12:22,260 --> 01:12:25,000
you have increased your contracts with the government,

2104
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:27,479
and that has accelerated under the Trump administration.

2105
01:12:27,900 --> 01:12:28,400
Of

2106
01:12:28,820 --> 01:12:31,335
course. We're but by the way, even there,

2107
01:12:31,494 --> 01:12:34,614
you know, a mathematically somewhat moderated person would

2108
01:12:34,614 --> 01:12:36,614
say, okay. Well, they're increasing a government by

2109
01:12:36,614 --> 01:12:39,255
45%. That's pretty baller. How are they increasing

2110
01:12:39,255 --> 01:12:40,314
in The US commercial?

2111
01:12:40,694 --> 01:12:41,835
71%.

2112
01:12:42,454 --> 01:12:44,909
Are we building a database to conspire against

2113
01:12:44,989 --> 01:12:47,150
our own people in The US commercial context

2114
01:12:47,150 --> 01:12:49,789
with no Salesforce? So it's I mean, yeah,

2115
01:12:49,789 --> 01:12:52,289
we're winning. Yeah. Great. You know what?

2116
01:12:52,750 --> 01:12:54,909
Tell everybody we're winning. We are winning. And

2117
01:12:54,909 --> 01:12:55,949
by the way, we have a rule of

2118
01:12:55,949 --> 01:12:57,630
83. Why we do it? Basically, means we

2119
01:12:57,630 --> 01:12:59,390
don't have or have, and it basically enough

2120
01:12:59,390 --> 01:13:01,244
Salesforce and we're winning. And And we know

2121
01:13:01,244 --> 01:13:02,744
what What's that? Go ahead.

2122
01:13:03,125 --> 01:13:04,644
I was just saying he definitely seems like

2123
01:13:04,644 --> 01:13:05,844
he's on drugs, and I don't even mean

2124
01:13:05,844 --> 01:13:07,284
that in a jokey way. Like, literally, he

2125
01:13:07,284 --> 01:13:08,885
seems like, yeah, he got hopped up and

2126
01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:10,404
and and maybe it was just the nerves

2127
01:13:10,404 --> 01:13:12,164
or whatever. I was gonna say too that

2128
01:13:12,164 --> 01:13:13,784
we you know, we've seen the teal

2129
01:13:14,170 --> 01:13:14,829
clip pizza.

2130
01:13:15,849 --> 01:13:17,149
He can't answer any questions.

2131
01:13:17,609 --> 01:13:19,769
Karp, the other one I think Jason was

2132
01:13:19,769 --> 01:13:21,449
referring to, there's this one, but there's also

2133
01:13:21,449 --> 01:13:23,289
him being confronted at, like, a campus and

2134
01:13:23,289 --> 01:13:26,265
a woman screaming saying, your technology kills Palestinians.

2135
01:13:26,265 --> 01:13:28,185
Your technology kills Palestinians. And you're just like,

2136
01:13:28,824 --> 01:13:30,265
I don't think these I mean, we have

2137
01:13:30,265 --> 01:13:32,185
to remember that a lot of these big

2138
01:13:32,185 --> 01:13:33,164
tech folks are

2139
01:13:33,545 --> 01:13:35,625
they sort of including Elon, some of them

2140
01:13:35,625 --> 01:13:38,104
proudly claim that they're on the autism spectrum.

2141
01:13:38,104 --> 01:13:40,409
Right? So maybe there's some element of that.

2142
01:13:40,570 --> 01:13:42,250
But I just think in general, this is

2143
01:13:42,250 --> 01:13:43,229
a super defensive

2144
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:45,850
response. Yes. Like, he's the way he's acting

2145
01:13:45,850 --> 01:13:47,770
is not the way somebody who's confident and

2146
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:49,850
is like, no. They're they're incorrect. I'm here

2147
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:51,689
with my attorney. Here's the statements that are

2148
01:13:51,689 --> 01:13:54,175
wrong. Whatever. You know, it's just flipping out

2149
01:13:54,175 --> 01:13:56,814
and assuring everybody that we're winning. We're making

2150
01:13:56,814 --> 01:13:58,194
money. We're doing this. And,

2151
01:13:58,734 --> 01:14:00,814
yeah. And then claiming in ninety seconds, they

2152
01:14:00,814 --> 01:14:02,654
can find 50 to 60 things wrong. Not

2153
01:14:02,654 --> 01:14:03,935
to come to the defense of the New

2154
01:14:03,935 --> 01:14:06,094
York Times or because that's that's earlier. A

2155
01:14:06,094 --> 01:14:07,454
lot of the stuff in the Times article

2156
01:14:07,454 --> 01:14:09,481
is stuff that's been out in independent media

2157
01:14:09,481 --> 01:14:11,644
for quite a while, you know, just taking

2158
01:14:11,644 --> 01:14:13,805
note of the different relationships as well as,

2159
01:14:14,076 --> 01:14:16,238
noticing the Trump executive order. As soon as

2160
01:14:16,238 --> 01:14:18,400
it happened, I remember seeing that and thinking

2161
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,563
here's some post nine eleven talk again. We

2162
01:14:20,563 --> 01:14:23,064
need to remove the borders between different agencies

2163
01:14:23,064 --> 01:14:25,225
because, you know, nine eleven happened because these

2164
01:14:25,225 --> 01:14:27,064
agencies couldn't talk to each other quick enough.

2165
01:14:27,064 --> 01:14:29,545
It's the same stuff and Trump's executive order

2166
01:14:29,545 --> 01:14:32,345
was streamlining that and taking the agencies out

2167
01:14:32,345 --> 01:14:34,744
of being in separate silos and making it

2168
01:14:34,744 --> 01:14:37,279
easier for them to communicate and work together,

2169
01:14:37,979 --> 01:14:39,819
to fight bad guys or whatever. And that's

2170
01:14:39,819 --> 01:14:42,060
exactly the role that Palantir is playing. And,

2171
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:44,139
of course, he doesn't get into as everything

2172
01:14:44,139 --> 01:14:46,159
we've already covered today, CIA connections.

2173
01:14:46,460 --> 01:14:48,300
Nobody at all nobody at all in the

2174
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:49,899
mainstream, of course, is gonna ask these guys

2175
01:14:49,899 --> 01:14:52,864
about their relationship and their steering committee, you

2176
01:14:52,864 --> 01:14:55,025
know, spots at the Bilderberg Group and things

2177
01:14:55,025 --> 01:14:55,845
of that sort.

2178
01:14:56,625 --> 01:14:58,885
Exactly. I just wanna jump in quick because

2179
01:14:59,345 --> 01:15:00,784
I think that Derek's right. I mean, I

2180
01:15:00,784 --> 01:15:03,185
wasn't expecting him to go, like, full Charlie

2181
01:15:03,185 --> 01:15:04,805
Sheen tiger blood winning,

2182
01:15:05,265 --> 01:15:07,159
but he does. And one of the weird

2183
01:15:07,159 --> 01:15:09,020
things that he keeps doing in this

2184
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,079
is he talks first, he said, I how

2185
01:15:11,079 --> 01:15:13,320
many mistakes can you find in ninety seconds

2186
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:14,939
to an engineer? He says 15.

2187
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:17,320
And then he goes, maybe you could find

2188
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,199
50 or 60 in ninety seconds. Yeah. He

2189
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:21,899
doesn't mention one mistake.

2190
01:15:22,255 --> 01:15:24,735
Right? It seems like you know, and he

2191
01:15:24,735 --> 01:15:26,675
also throws in the word Neanderthal

2192
01:15:27,454 --> 01:15:28,354
and pagan.

2193
01:15:29,055 --> 01:15:31,555
So, I I mean, this is like classic

2194
01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:34,494
smear techniques. Right? There's not one and and

2195
01:15:34,494 --> 01:15:35,155
no point

2196
01:15:35,729 --> 01:15:37,810
at all did he address, okay. Well, they

2197
01:15:37,810 --> 01:15:38,470
said this,

2198
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:40,770
and this is the truth. And he could've

2199
01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:42,770
done that in any sentence. So I I

2200
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:44,449
think it kinda does speak. I had not

2201
01:15:44,449 --> 01:15:46,210
seen this clip. I'll be honest. I'd only

2202
01:15:46,210 --> 01:15:47,189
seen other clips.

2203
01:15:47,505 --> 01:15:49,664
Every time the guy gets challenged and he

2204
01:15:49,664 --> 01:15:51,524
just doesn't have an open forum

2205
01:15:51,985 --> 01:15:54,564
to spew his Johnny nonsense, he gets extremely

2206
01:15:54,704 --> 01:15:57,284
uncomfortable. And I mean, yeah, he was wacky

2207
01:15:57,345 --> 01:15:59,685
inflatable. I like to use my hands.

2208
01:16:00,550 --> 01:16:02,550
He was using a lot of handage right

2209
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:04,229
there, but not saying a lot. So if

2210
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:06,010
you wanna continue, I'm I'm enthralled.

2211
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:08,310
Yeah. Well, just really quickly, the point you're

2212
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:10,650
making is important or the in general, this

2213
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:12,869
is what they put out right afterward. I

2214
01:16:12,869 --> 01:16:14,875
think this is very relevant. It says the

2215
01:16:14,875 --> 01:16:16,954
recently published New York article by the New

2216
01:16:16,954 --> 01:16:18,715
York Times is blatantly untrue, but it says

2217
01:16:18,715 --> 01:16:20,814
Palantir never collects data to unlawfully

2218
01:16:21,835 --> 01:16:24,234
surveil Americans. Now that's a big difference than

2219
01:16:24,234 --> 01:16:25,434
what he just said, and he's saying they

2220
01:16:25,514 --> 01:16:27,454
we just we don't surveil people.

2221
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:29,050
Well, that's not what he said there. And

2222
01:16:29,050 --> 01:16:30,250
I think the main point is they're trying

2223
01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:31,850
to make the subtle argument that we're doing

2224
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:33,449
so, but it's because the president wants us

2225
01:16:33,449 --> 01:16:35,210
to or because that's what our legislation says

2226
01:16:35,210 --> 01:16:36,890
or whatever. And even then, you could argue

2227
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:38,250
just because the president says it or there's

2228
01:16:38,250 --> 01:16:40,090
legislation doesn't then make it legal. That's a

2229
01:16:40,090 --> 01:16:42,164
whole important thing to think about, but that's

2230
01:16:42,164 --> 01:16:44,378
just very important. The, you know, the the

2231
01:16:44,378 --> 01:16:46,404
the story continues to evolve as he makes

2232
01:16:46,404 --> 01:16:47,524
the narrative, and I think you've all made

2233
01:16:47,524 --> 01:16:49,385
some very good points here. Let's keep watching.

2234
01:16:49,524 --> 01:16:51,364
The word unlawfully is doing a lot of

2235
01:16:51,364 --> 01:16:52,344
work there. Right?

2236
01:16:52,804 --> 01:16:55,140
Exactly. But I gotta guys, thanks for thanks

2237
01:16:55,140 --> 01:16:56,739
for having me on, Ryan, everybody, and I'll

2238
01:16:56,739 --> 01:16:58,739
see you guys on the next panel. Awesome,

2239
01:16:58,739 --> 01:16:59,719
brother. See you then.

2240
01:17:01,219 --> 01:17:01,719
Because

2241
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:04,180
the product is the best in the world.

2242
01:17:04,180 --> 01:17:06,100
And you know what? The Trump administration is

2243
01:17:06,100 --> 01:17:06,920
actually doing.

2244
01:17:07,505 --> 01:17:09,024
Every other government in the world is doing

2245
01:17:09,024 --> 01:17:11,264
because everyone wants to be China who's not

2246
01:17:11,264 --> 01:17:11,764
China's,

2247
01:17:12,064 --> 01:17:14,064
buy the best product. What is the best

2248
01:17:14,064 --> 01:17:16,064
product? They're not buying our product because they

2249
01:17:16,064 --> 01:17:18,324
like me or they like my speeches. Honestly,

2250
01:17:18,545 --> 01:17:20,064
he's wondering why he has to buy the

2251
01:17:20,064 --> 01:17:22,289
product from me too. He he just said

2252
01:17:22,289 --> 01:17:24,010
that everybody wants to be like China, just

2253
01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:25,970
so that's clear. I just think there's the

2254
01:17:25,970 --> 01:17:27,250
many things he says in this that are

2255
01:17:27,250 --> 01:17:29,729
him, I think, radically trying to, like, escape

2256
01:17:29,729 --> 01:17:31,970
this, and he's calling I mean, woke left,

2257
01:17:31,970 --> 01:17:33,570
woke right. The idea that he if we

2258
01:17:33,570 --> 01:17:35,170
understand that the US government, at the very

2259
01:17:35,170 --> 01:17:36,449
least, is striving to be like China, I

2260
01:17:36,449 --> 01:17:36,914
think we

2261
01:17:37,475 --> 01:17:39,175
already know that, that's just a a very

2262
01:17:39,875 --> 01:17:41,395
that's not what they wanted to say. That's

2263
01:17:41,395 --> 01:17:42,215
what I would think.

2264
01:17:42,515 --> 01:17:44,595
He he's not lying in this. Right. The

2265
01:17:44,595 --> 01:17:47,555
thing is that everybody in his world does

2266
01:17:47,555 --> 01:17:49,074
want it to be like China. That he's

2267
01:17:49,074 --> 01:17:50,760
just pulling off he's drawing off of every

2268
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,779
everybody. Everybody in at Bilderberg,

2269
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:55,800
everybody at the WEF, everybody in Silicon Valley,

2270
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:56,939
you know, everybody

2271
01:17:57,719 --> 01:17:59,659
wants to be like China. No. No. No.

2272
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:01,800
You guys want it to be like China.

2273
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,420
The rest of us want nothing

2274
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:06,539
to do with it. But he's so in

2275
01:18:06,975 --> 01:18:08,514
the cult that

2276
01:18:08,894 --> 01:18:09,394
in

2277
01:18:09,774 --> 01:18:11,154
his world, it's everybody.

2278
01:18:12,175 --> 01:18:13,694
It's a great point. And just that speaks

2279
01:18:13,694 --> 01:18:15,454
to just them being completely out of touch.

2280
01:18:15,454 --> 01:18:16,814
You know? This might as well be different

2281
01:18:16,814 --> 01:18:19,375
species today in the billionaire oligarch elitist and

2282
01:18:19,375 --> 01:18:20,895
everybody else. I mean, there there is a

2283
01:18:20,895 --> 01:18:23,400
very interesting distance that has developed in that

2284
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:23,900
regard.

2285
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:28,280
They buy it because I'm going to make

2286
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:29,100
your company

2287
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,180
really, really financially strong, more secure,

2288
01:18:33,555 --> 01:18:36,034
more efficient, increase the revenues. Why does the

2289
01:18:36,034 --> 01:18:37,875
why does the US government buy the product?

2290
01:18:37,875 --> 01:18:39,234
First of all, it's a product. It's not

2291
01:18:39,234 --> 01:18:41,555
a waste of time service, BS thing that

2292
01:18:41,555 --> 01:18:43,475
can be abused. By the way, we lost

2293
01:18:43,475 --> 01:18:45,314
so much revenue in the last twenty years

2294
01:18:45,314 --> 01:18:47,439
because people wanted to buy things that could

2295
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,460
be abused. It's really hard to abuse Palantir.

2296
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,239
You could do services. Who knows what a

2297
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:54,639
services company is doing with your data? Or

2298
01:18:54,639 --> 01:18:56,000
you could do what the New York Times

2299
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,639
does or consumer Internet does. You could resell

2300
01:18:58,639 --> 01:19:00,704
the data and productize your users. By the

2301
01:19:00,704 --> 01:19:03,024
way, there's a high correlation between productizing your

2302
01:19:03,024 --> 01:19:06,005
users and selling them woke pagan BS.

2303
01:19:06,625 --> 01:19:07,744
That's a good point. What are you doing

2304
01:19:07,744 --> 01:19:09,505
at the IRS? That with Palantir, but you

2305
01:19:09,505 --> 01:19:12,005
can't That was the IRS was one example.

2306
01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:16,000
Yeah. You know, we have so many contracts

2307
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,760
in the US government. I mean, I'll tell

2308
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,520
you, I I without the specifics, I can

2309
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:20,800
tell you exactly what we're doing in the

2310
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,840
IRS. We're going to use a very the

2311
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,935
most secure platform in the world to make

2312
01:19:27,015 --> 01:19:31,275
to replace inept software with cheaper, better software

2313
01:19:31,574 --> 01:19:33,735
that is more efficient. That's what we're doing.

2314
01:19:33,735 --> 01:19:35,494
I assume at the IRS, we have so

2315
01:19:35,494 --> 01:19:37,574
many contracts. I know that's what we're doing

2316
01:19:37,574 --> 01:19:39,494
here. That's what we're doing with 71% of

2317
01:19:39,494 --> 01:19:40,695
growth. You know what we're doing in the

2318
01:19:40,695 --> 01:19:43,270
DOD? We're scaring the bejeebers, I'm trying not

2319
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:44,710
to use the f word, out of our

2320
01:19:44,710 --> 01:19:45,210
adversaries

2321
01:19:45,829 --> 01:19:47,909
by making them scared at night. And you

2322
01:19:47,909 --> 01:19:50,569
know how we're doing it? By installing productized

2323
01:19:50,789 --> 01:19:52,649
software that runs algorithms

2324
01:19:53,029 --> 01:19:56,225
against data that's been lawfully collected, and you

2325
01:19:56,225 --> 01:19:59,604
can't unlawfully use it. You are surveilling Americans.

2326
01:19:59,744 --> 01:20:00,944
I'm glad we cleared that up at the

2327
01:20:00,944 --> 01:20:01,904
end of the interview when you said in

2328
01:20:01,904 --> 01:20:04,164
the beginning that you weren't surveilling Americans flatly.

2329
01:20:04,385 --> 01:20:05,364
That seems relevant.

2330
01:20:06,289 --> 01:20:08,630
I I think that in the new Terminator

2331
01:20:08,770 --> 01:20:10,369
movie, they they come they come back to

2332
01:20:10,369 --> 01:20:12,610
get him, don't they? He's the guy that

2333
01:20:12,610 --> 01:20:14,130
that that they come back from the future.

2334
01:20:14,130 --> 01:20:16,289
Right? That's the guy that they've made the

2335
01:20:16,289 --> 01:20:18,470
calculation. We gotta take him out.

2336
01:20:19,555 --> 01:20:21,475
Missed that up. There we go. Making a

2337
01:20:21,475 --> 01:20:23,814
quick stop at Curtis Yarvin's house.

2338
01:20:24,274 --> 01:20:25,715
How do I just pick that up? Hold

2339
01:20:25,715 --> 01:20:26,755
on. How do I get back to the

2340
01:20:26,755 --> 01:20:27,734
right spot here?

2341
01:20:28,595 --> 01:20:30,835
There we go. So sorry. I just hit

2342
01:20:30,835 --> 01:20:32,520
the wrong button there. But this this was

2343
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:33,960
the extension of the point is that on

2344
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,199
Wired this is this is yesterday. Palantir is

2345
01:20:36,199 --> 01:20:38,119
going on defense, and that doesn't mean working

2346
01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:40,439
with the defense department. Like, their Palantir threatened

2347
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,859
to call the police on a Wired reporter

2348
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,280
and kicked out the other journalist from a

2349
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,005
recent conference following reports on, you know, what's

2350
01:20:47,005 --> 01:20:48,925
going on right now. They're analytics with the

2351
01:20:48,925 --> 01:20:51,005
Trump administration. So this is, again, as we've

2352
01:20:51,005 --> 01:20:52,284
been pointing out, this is not what it

2353
01:20:52,284 --> 01:20:52,944
looks like

2354
01:20:53,244 --> 01:20:53,744
to,

2355
01:20:54,444 --> 01:20:56,305
you know, explain that you're being misrepresented,

2356
01:20:56,685 --> 01:20:59,244
especially with the most powerful backing and friends

2357
01:20:59,244 --> 01:21:01,130
in the world. Like, why would he feel

2358
01:21:01,130 --> 01:21:02,489
so like, I just get the sense that

2359
01:21:02,489 --> 01:21:04,570
they are concerned. And I know that's it's

2360
01:21:04,570 --> 01:21:05,930
all it's not really in our benefit to

2361
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:08,030
think that because, you know, I who knows?

2362
01:21:08,170 --> 01:21:10,430
But I get that sense that that's desperation.

2363
01:21:10,489 --> 01:21:11,609
I don't know what you guys think. And

2364
01:21:11,609 --> 01:21:13,210
all these kind of moves show that they're,

2365
01:21:13,210 --> 01:21:15,149
you know, circling the wagons to a degree.

2366
01:21:17,435 --> 01:21:19,454
Anybody disagree or confirm? What do you think?

2367
01:21:20,795 --> 01:21:21,295
I

2368
01:21:22,635 --> 01:21:24,554
I I'd be very careful if I were

2369
01:21:24,554 --> 01:21:26,734
a reporter digging into Palantir.

2370
01:21:27,435 --> 01:21:28,729
You know what I mean? That that's a

2371
01:21:28,770 --> 01:21:30,550
it's an extremely dangerous company.

2372
01:21:31,010 --> 01:21:32,929
And and for you know, you may work

2373
01:21:32,929 --> 01:21:34,929
at Wired, and you think you're gonna do

2374
01:21:34,929 --> 01:21:35,510
a story.

2375
01:21:36,050 --> 01:21:36,789
This is

2376
01:21:37,409 --> 01:21:38,389
these guys are

2377
01:21:39,489 --> 01:21:39,989
are

2378
01:21:41,489 --> 01:21:42,149
they're just

2379
01:21:42,975 --> 01:21:43,475
dangerous.

2380
01:21:44,015 --> 01:21:44,835
And and

2381
01:21:47,695 --> 01:21:48,515
this is a very,

2382
01:21:49,614 --> 01:21:51,375
I don't know, important time for people to

2383
01:21:51,375 --> 01:21:53,555
be paying attention to what's going on. Unfortunately,

2384
01:21:53,614 --> 01:21:55,199
they're not. I I feel the

2385
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,360
vast majority of people are falling asleep at

2386
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:58,180
the wheel, but,

2387
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,720
I would I would say pre continue the

2388
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,880
pressure, especially if you've got a video interview

2389
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,720
with a guy like Alex Karp or Peter

2390
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:07,965
Thiel. Get,

2391
01:22:08,925 --> 01:22:11,425
like, treat it like a police interrogation.

2392
01:22:11,804 --> 01:22:13,645
Keep that guy talking as much as he

2393
01:22:13,645 --> 01:22:16,444
can. The more he says, the more he

2394
01:22:16,444 --> 01:22:18,524
steps on his dick over and over again

2395
01:22:18,524 --> 01:22:20,524
and says something that, you know, like, everybody

2396
01:22:20,524 --> 01:22:22,360
wants to be like China. Not supposed to

2397
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,039
say that. That's not supposed to come out.

2398
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:27,079
That's not what you that's that's not the

2399
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:29,320
messaging that you want. I I honestly if

2400
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:30,760
I were I'm not trying to give these

2401
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,840
guys any ideas, but from my media training

2402
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:33,340
background,

2403
01:22:33,895 --> 01:22:35,574
I get this guy as far away from

2404
01:22:35,574 --> 01:22:37,814
television cameras as possible. Right. And he would

2405
01:22:37,814 --> 01:22:40,054
be the last interview we ever did. Doesn't

2406
01:22:40,054 --> 01:22:41,975
that add noise going to this, though? Like,

2407
01:22:41,975 --> 01:22:44,215
so what why that's I think something asked

2408
01:22:44,215 --> 01:22:45,414
all the time when you see them do

2409
01:22:45,414 --> 01:22:47,675
something bullet ridiculous or, you know, a politician

2410
01:22:47,734 --> 01:22:49,219
does something. You know, like, where are their

2411
01:22:49,219 --> 01:22:50,659
handlers? Don't they say that's not the right

2412
01:22:50,659 --> 01:22:52,100
thing to do? And it makes you wonder

2413
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:54,180
then why that's not all encompassing, but why

2414
01:22:54,180 --> 01:22:55,460
they would. You know? And so in this

2415
01:22:55,460 --> 01:22:57,380
case, why are we seeing this happen? Why

2416
01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:58,739
are these people being chosen to put out

2417
01:22:58,739 --> 01:23:00,899
front? It makes me question whether they're which,

2418
01:23:00,899 --> 01:23:02,760
you know, I think, that there's an outside

2419
01:23:02,819 --> 01:23:03,319
influence

2420
01:23:03,854 --> 01:23:06,734
that is in whether collapsing this country or

2421
01:23:06,734 --> 01:23:08,734
overtaking it or manipulating policy. I think that

2422
01:23:08,734 --> 01:23:09,854
may be a large part of it. I

2423
01:23:09,854 --> 01:23:11,234
don't think our current government,

2424
01:23:11,614 --> 01:23:13,534
as we see it, is truly dictating everything

2425
01:23:13,534 --> 01:23:14,975
that's happening here. That's the

2426
01:23:15,614 --> 01:23:18,090
go ahead. Go ahead. There are, like, systems

2427
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:20,550
have redundancies in place. They have fail safes.

2428
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:21,369
You know? Like,

2429
01:23:21,670 --> 01:23:23,670
to make a historical comparison, there was the,

2430
01:23:23,909 --> 01:23:26,229
the quiz show scandal in the late fifties,

2431
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:28,789
early sixties, in which congress started investigating the

2432
01:23:28,789 --> 01:23:31,144
quiz shows. And the response was to wheel

2433
01:23:31,144 --> 01:23:34,045
out the contestants that had cheated under probably

2434
01:23:34,264 --> 01:23:36,024
instruction from abuse and everything, and they were

2435
01:23:36,024 --> 01:23:38,264
made to, you know, apologize and everything. And

2436
01:23:38,264 --> 01:23:40,425
everyone started talking about the contestants. No rules

2437
01:23:40,425 --> 01:23:42,125
really changed, and nobody really cared.

2438
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,920
In this situation, you have Palantir, which is

2439
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,139
getting some negative press.

2440
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:47,800
So what do you do? You wheel out

2441
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,380
captain Crazy Arms to spout nonsense on MSNBC

2442
01:23:50,599 --> 01:23:53,739
for two hours, and suddenly he becomes associated

2443
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:56,234
with Palantir completely. He's the one defending it.

2444
01:23:56,314 --> 01:23:58,154
He gets kicked out by his board or

2445
01:23:58,154 --> 01:23:59,755
he gets sent down on some trumped up

2446
01:23:59,755 --> 01:24:01,914
corruption thing and people can say the problem

2447
01:24:01,914 --> 01:24:02,975
has resolved itself.

2448
01:24:03,435 --> 01:24:05,594
Palantir can be broken up. Palantir doesn't exist

2449
01:24:05,594 --> 01:24:07,215
anymore, but instead we'll have Baradir.

2450
01:24:07,594 --> 01:24:09,689
We'll have Baradir Communications and they will take

2451
01:24:09,689 --> 01:24:11,529
over the staff and take over the technology,

2452
01:24:11,529 --> 01:24:13,130
but they won't be Palantir anymore, and people

2453
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:14,670
will consider things to have changed.

2454
01:24:15,529 --> 01:24:16,810
Yeah. Then you can say the same thing

2455
01:24:16,810 --> 01:24:18,409
with Elon Musk and and Trump that, you

2456
01:24:18,409 --> 01:24:19,850
know, that that kind of idea could be

2457
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:21,369
applied to any of these. That's an excellent

2458
01:24:21,369 --> 01:24:21,869
point.

2459
01:24:22,195 --> 01:24:24,935
It's already happened with Eric Prince and Blackwater

2460
01:24:25,155 --> 01:24:26,055
and now Academy.

2461
01:24:26,515 --> 01:24:29,015
Right. And now Eric Prince is, you

2462
01:24:29,395 --> 01:24:31,314
know, up to his neck in,

2463
01:24:31,875 --> 01:24:34,695
the private prison in El Salvador game

2464
01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:38,229
along with sending a 50 Mercs to Haiti

2465
01:24:38,449 --> 01:24:40,390
in the last week and a half and

2466
01:24:40,449 --> 01:24:42,069
whole bunch of other fun stuff.

2467
01:24:43,329 --> 01:24:45,170
And, yeah, all he had to do was

2468
01:24:45,170 --> 01:24:47,750
rebrand a little bit. It's a little rebranding

2469
01:24:47,890 --> 01:24:50,149
goes a long way. Really does. Yeah.

2470
01:24:50,925 --> 01:24:52,685
Well, let let's go ahead and get into

2471
01:24:52,685 --> 01:24:54,444
the kind of ask the final part of

2472
01:24:54,444 --> 01:24:56,204
this in regard to the as I see,

2473
01:24:56,204 --> 01:24:58,364
the AI element of it all. And the

2474
01:24:58,364 --> 01:25:00,364
the possibility, as my mind goes to, of

2475
01:25:00,444 --> 01:25:01,885
as what where I think the large part

2476
01:25:01,885 --> 01:25:03,585
of this is is simply AI government.

2477
01:25:03,989 --> 01:25:05,909
Not necessarily AI governance, which is part of

2478
01:25:05,909 --> 01:25:08,229
what's happening now using the GSAI bot and

2479
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:10,869
different things, the commerce point in the bill,

2480
01:25:10,869 --> 01:25:12,250
but, like, an AI government

2481
01:25:13,029 --> 01:25:14,789
kinda kind of idea. And or any other

2482
01:25:14,789 --> 01:25:16,994
direction you wanna take it in. Palantir, AI,

2483
01:25:16,994 --> 01:25:18,675
how that applies. Before we jump in, I'll

2484
01:25:18,675 --> 01:25:19,795
just read a couple of things from a

2485
01:25:19,795 --> 01:25:21,475
great article that The Off Guardian put out

2486
01:25:21,475 --> 01:25:23,475
recently, just just general points I thought were

2487
01:25:23,475 --> 01:25:25,074
interesting. And it simp they simply wrote that

2488
01:25:25,074 --> 01:25:26,835
this is this isn't about protecting freedom. That

2489
01:25:26,835 --> 01:25:28,675
seems to be the very clear overlap to

2490
01:25:28,675 --> 01:25:31,170
all of this. It's about rendering freedom obsolete,

2491
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:33,090
and I thought that was a very perfect

2492
01:25:33,090 --> 01:25:34,850
way to think about that. As well as

2493
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:37,090
Palantir itself admits that its mission is to

2494
01:25:37,090 --> 01:25:39,489
augment human decision making. And so I think

2495
01:25:39,489 --> 01:25:41,729
that that you just can't miss, especially with

2496
01:25:41,729 --> 01:25:43,649
the bill aspect, whether it goes through senate

2497
01:25:43,649 --> 01:25:45,694
or not, that that's what they're putting forward.

2498
01:25:45,694 --> 01:25:47,215
So anybody wanna jump in where you wanna

2499
01:25:47,215 --> 01:25:48,034
go with it? Go ahead.

2500
01:25:48,414 --> 01:25:50,014
You know, I just wanna talk about the

2501
01:25:50,014 --> 01:25:53,295
AI aspect because, again, that's making, you know,

2502
01:25:53,295 --> 01:25:57,534
mainstream media or mainstream alternative media that in

2503
01:25:57,534 --> 01:25:58,994
this big beautiful bill,

2504
01:25:59,369 --> 01:26:01,710
supposedly, you're gonna have this ten year window

2505
01:26:01,850 --> 01:26:02,350
where

2506
01:26:02,969 --> 01:26:04,429
AI cannot be prosecuted

2507
01:26:04,889 --> 01:26:06,989
or you can't sue it, etcetera, etcetera.

2508
01:26:07,689 --> 01:26:09,369
I think that's almost a moot point. I

2509
01:26:09,369 --> 01:26:12,489
think that's just solidifying or codifying what's already

2510
01:26:12,489 --> 01:26:13,469
been going on

2511
01:26:13,935 --> 01:26:15,715
from first Trump administration

2512
01:26:16,175 --> 01:26:17,554
into the Biden administration,

2513
01:26:17,935 --> 01:26:20,514
especially with the chief artificial intelligence

2514
01:26:20,974 --> 01:26:23,635
officer program and now into the Trump administration.

2515
01:26:24,175 --> 01:26:27,989
I have literally heard nobody else in media

2516
01:26:28,289 --> 01:26:29,670
talk about the CAIO

2517
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:32,949
program that clearly line outlines

2518
01:26:33,489 --> 01:26:36,609
that you have the intelligence community and the

2519
01:26:36,609 --> 01:26:37,590
defense community,

2520
01:26:38,050 --> 01:26:40,469
and they are allowed to do with whatever

2521
01:26:40,609 --> 01:26:42,789
they want with AI, and it is

2522
01:26:43,194 --> 01:26:43,694
unauditable.

2523
01:26:43,994 --> 01:26:46,475
And then their subsidiaries that they work with.

2524
01:26:46,475 --> 01:26:47,614
Everybody else

2525
01:26:48,234 --> 01:26:49,534
has to have a chief

2526
01:26:49,914 --> 01:26:53,614
artificial intelligence officer put into their private company

2527
01:26:54,074 --> 01:26:56,635
that has a security clearance, and they can

2528
01:26:56,635 --> 01:26:58,335
be audited at all times.

2529
01:26:58,710 --> 01:27:01,449
That means there will literally be no innovation

2530
01:27:01,829 --> 01:27:02,329
outside

2531
01:27:02,710 --> 01:27:04,090
of government innovation.

2532
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:06,729
And it is that kind of walled garden

2533
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:08,170
that Marc Andreessen

2534
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:10,170
alluded to. But in in

2535
01:27:11,024 --> 01:27:13,125
I have not seen how it's been fixed.

2536
01:27:13,185 --> 01:27:15,344
You know? I I've only seen how it's

2537
01:27:15,344 --> 01:27:17,425
getting worse and worse and worse. It's because

2538
01:27:17,425 --> 01:27:19,344
he thinks the good elitists, which are them,

2539
01:27:19,344 --> 01:27:20,784
are gonna save you. And you'll be in

2540
01:27:20,784 --> 01:27:22,304
the same place, though, but they'll just rule

2541
01:27:22,304 --> 01:27:24,324
the way we that's what he basically argues.

2542
01:27:24,864 --> 01:27:27,260
And, again, when you when you have that

2543
01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:28,079
walled garden

2544
01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:30,320
where in order to

2545
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:35,659
use this software or develop hardware, you have

2546
01:27:35,659 --> 01:27:39,280
to have constant government oversight in a classified

2547
01:27:39,579 --> 01:27:40,335
realm. I

2548
01:27:40,734 --> 01:27:43,475
there's no way there's no way

2549
01:27:43,935 --> 01:27:46,414
that you can become there there there's no

2550
01:27:46,414 --> 01:27:48,354
capitalist model there. Right? Unless

2551
01:27:48,734 --> 01:27:51,854
it's not it's fascist. Right? I mean, we're

2552
01:27:51,854 --> 01:27:53,555
gonna pick the winners and losers.

2553
01:27:53,970 --> 01:27:55,569
You get out of line. We're gonna put

2554
01:27:55,569 --> 01:27:56,470
you out of business.

2555
01:27:56,850 --> 01:27:58,369
I've said it before. I'm gonna say it

2556
01:27:58,369 --> 01:28:01,329
again. Really, the last tech the last real

2557
01:28:01,329 --> 01:28:02,550
technology company

2558
01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:04,229
that made a big splash

2559
01:28:04,609 --> 01:28:06,149
that wasn't government subsidized

2560
01:28:06,930 --> 01:28:07,670
was YouTube,

2561
01:28:08,074 --> 01:28:10,314
and they got bought up by Google, which

2562
01:28:10,314 --> 01:28:12,875
is just a a rebrand of the government.

2563
01:28:12,875 --> 01:28:14,635
Right? I mean, that's I I can't name

2564
01:28:14,635 --> 01:28:16,574
another one that's had a huge impact

2565
01:28:17,274 --> 01:28:17,774
socially

2566
01:28:18,555 --> 01:28:19,055
or,

2567
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:21,609
basically, technologically.

2568
01:28:22,069 --> 01:28:23,909
Can can anybody out there in a commercial

2569
01:28:23,909 --> 01:28:26,789
sense that that hasn't been hampered or pushed

2570
01:28:26,789 --> 01:28:27,609
by the government?

2571
01:28:30,789 --> 01:28:32,649
No. Because if you need government,

2572
01:28:33,715 --> 01:28:35,494
you know, if you you need licensing,

2573
01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:37,235
you you always fall

2574
01:28:37,715 --> 01:28:39,395
in some way, you wind up under the

2575
01:28:39,395 --> 01:28:40,375
thumb of the government.

2576
01:28:41,074 --> 01:28:42,275
You you have to do what they say

2577
01:28:42,275 --> 01:28:44,354
in order to get the licensing or I'm

2578
01:28:44,755 --> 01:28:45,795
no. It it's

2579
01:28:46,675 --> 01:28:47,789
I can't think of one.

2580
01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:51,310
I don't know one. So, again, I think

2581
01:28:51,310 --> 01:28:53,010
that we're in a really odd spot.

2582
01:28:53,789 --> 01:28:56,770
Artificial intelligence is becoming more and more commercially

2583
01:28:56,829 --> 01:28:58,850
available in many other avenues.

2584
01:28:59,310 --> 01:29:00,289
Video creation,

2585
01:29:00,814 --> 01:29:02,435
I'm using it for my thumbnails.

2586
01:29:03,375 --> 01:29:06,335
Obviously, you have the chat GPTs of the

2587
01:29:06,335 --> 01:29:09,054
world. We just did our panel on AI,

2588
01:29:09,054 --> 01:29:10,494
and a lot of that was the talk

2589
01:29:10,494 --> 01:29:11,954
of using it for research.

2590
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:15,590
If you're now going to be feeding these

2591
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:16,729
language models,

2592
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:20,729
certain types of information and

2593
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:22,729
you're going to try to utilize

2594
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:24,630
lower and lower power I mean, you look

2595
01:29:24,630 --> 01:29:26,710
at DeepSeek in China. Right? Just the fact

2596
01:29:26,710 --> 01:29:28,470
that it was able to run on lower

2597
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:28,845
power.

2598
01:29:29,324 --> 01:29:31,905
To have that walled off from the public

2599
01:29:31,965 --> 01:29:35,725
is extremely dangerous, especially with the deceptive nature

2600
01:29:35,725 --> 01:29:36,864
of AI. But

2601
01:29:37,324 --> 01:29:40,625
it also you know, forget about the resource

2602
01:29:40,845 --> 01:29:41,345
allocation.

2603
01:29:41,725 --> 01:29:43,025
Forget about the automation.

2604
01:29:43,579 --> 01:29:45,359
Think of the narrative management.

2605
01:29:45,979 --> 01:29:49,420
Like, you know, the AI in essence, the

2606
01:29:49,420 --> 01:29:51,979
approved AI, is going to tell us what's

2607
01:29:51,979 --> 01:29:53,279
real and what's not,

2608
01:29:53,659 --> 01:29:55,760
what's a deepfake and what's not.

2609
01:29:56,060 --> 01:29:58,880
And we're already seeing it create you know,

2610
01:29:59,344 --> 01:30:00,484
some of it's fun.

2611
01:30:00,864 --> 01:30:02,304
You know, I talked about it the other

2612
01:30:02,304 --> 01:30:04,804
day. I love a good parody song.

2613
01:30:05,664 --> 01:30:07,925
Some of these videos are entertaining.

2614
01:30:08,304 --> 01:30:09,844
I'm sure everybody saw

2615
01:30:10,385 --> 01:30:11,284
that door

2616
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:15,050
brothers video that went viral with, you know,

2617
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:18,650
Mark Zuckerberg as a a lizard person and

2618
01:30:18,710 --> 01:30:21,189
Donald Trump at a swingers party and Kamala

2619
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:23,189
Harris as a contest. To to me, though,

2620
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:25,270
all that is the we'll make their arms

2621
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:28,045
work again Neuralink, which is true, maybe, but

2622
01:30:28,045 --> 01:30:29,564
that's not really what it's really all about.

2623
01:30:29,564 --> 01:30:31,005
You know? It's like that's the that's the

2624
01:30:31,005 --> 01:30:32,444
window dressing to get you that's the bread

2625
01:30:32,444 --> 01:30:35,564
and circuses as they, you know, recreate history

2626
01:30:35,564 --> 01:30:37,244
on a digital level in the background. You

2627
01:30:37,244 --> 01:30:39,005
know? Whatever we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2628
01:30:39,005 --> 01:30:41,265
Yeah. It's the backbone of the the trust

2629
01:30:41,324 --> 01:30:41,824
era

2630
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:43,220
for the product.

2631
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:46,159
Yeah. Well, again, like I said, that's the

2632
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:48,079
stuff that's been able to go viral and

2633
01:30:48,079 --> 01:30:50,399
kind of pierce may maybe our arena. Right?

2634
01:30:50,399 --> 01:30:51,779
I wouldn't say it's mainstreaming.

2635
01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:54,560
But in short order, again, we're gonna see

2636
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,335
more and more of this stuff. It is

2637
01:30:56,335 --> 01:30:57,475
gonna be advocated

2638
01:30:57,854 --> 01:30:58,595
as real,

2639
01:30:58,975 --> 01:31:01,314
and the AI is gonna constantly tell us

2640
01:31:01,454 --> 01:31:03,614
that it's real. And how many people aren't

2641
01:31:03,614 --> 01:31:06,494
questioning a damn thing? How many kids right

2642
01:31:06,494 --> 01:31:08,595
now are going to chat GPT

2643
01:31:09,135 --> 01:31:11,479
to finish up their homework? It it's a

2644
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:12,300
lot more

2645
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,640
than people think. And, you know, a lot

2646
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,640
of people don't realize that they can take

2647
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:18,140
Copilot

2648
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,600
off Windows. Now I'm not saying Windows is

2649
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,280
perfect or that it's not a defense you

2650
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,635
know, Microsoft isn't a defense company. But most

2651
01:31:25,635 --> 01:31:27,175
people aren't even thinking

2652
01:31:27,954 --> 01:31:30,514
of opting out, let alone figuring it out.

2653
01:31:30,514 --> 01:31:33,154
They're embracing it. And I think that's a

2654
01:31:33,154 --> 01:31:33,974
huge issue.

2655
01:31:34,274 --> 01:31:36,994
And and, again, that walled garden is the

2656
01:31:36,994 --> 01:31:39,840
big issue because, yeah, we're talking about Palantir

2657
01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:42,220
mostly today, but how many people are talking

2658
01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:44,380
about that walled garden and what it means

2659
01:31:44,380 --> 01:31:47,360
for all of these companies, military industrial complex,

2660
01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:48,159
or otherwise?

2661
01:31:49,020 --> 01:31:51,835
Jason, you mentioned how YouTube was doing this

2662
01:31:51,835 --> 01:31:53,594
technology and then it wound up getting acquired

2663
01:31:53,594 --> 01:31:55,675
by Google. I can I can envision a

2664
01:31:55,675 --> 01:31:57,774
scenario in which in the future,

2665
01:31:58,154 --> 01:31:59,375
there becomes a company

2666
01:31:59,755 --> 01:32:00,494
who is

2667
01:32:00,875 --> 01:32:02,954
known as the gold standard for telling you

2668
01:32:02,954 --> 01:32:05,399
whether it's AI fake or whether it's real?

2669
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,960
And it just gets everybody knows that that's

2670
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,760
who you go to. That's the Google it.

2671
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,159
Right? Well, whatever this new company is, do

2672
01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:15,079
that to it. Right? And it gets known

2673
01:32:15,079 --> 01:32:17,414
for it. And then that company will get

2674
01:32:17,574 --> 01:32:20,375
subverted and compromised or bought or maybe even

2675
01:32:20,375 --> 01:32:22,395
created from out of thin air

2676
01:32:23,015 --> 01:32:25,335
with with an understanding that that's gonna be

2677
01:32:25,335 --> 01:32:25,994
the role of

2678
01:32:26,694 --> 01:32:28,774
it. Yeah. You you yeah. The fact checker

2679
01:32:28,854 --> 01:32:31,255
when the AI fact checker, the gold standard

2680
01:32:31,255 --> 01:32:33,380
of AI fact checking is actually

2681
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,760
compromised. But if you wanna do that the

2682
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:36,420
right way,

2683
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,479
then you you need to you need to

2684
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,640
be accurate for a while. Right? You need

2685
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,479
to be a % great at it, and

2686
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:44,595
then maybe it drops off to 95%.

2687
01:32:44,595 --> 01:32:46,114
And then, you know, maybe it's just a

2688
01:32:46,114 --> 01:32:47,635
little here, a little tweak there, but you've

2689
01:32:47,635 --> 01:32:48,695
always gotta maintain

2690
01:32:49,074 --> 01:32:51,155
that it's that it's working. You've gotta you've

2691
01:32:51,155 --> 01:32:52,675
gotta do it that way in order to

2692
01:32:52,675 --> 01:32:53,735
suck people in.

2693
01:32:54,354 --> 01:32:56,354
And then they'll as soon as they develop

2694
01:32:56,354 --> 01:32:58,929
this level of trust where they outsource their

2695
01:32:58,929 --> 01:33:00,609
thinking to this and they run it through

2696
01:33:00,609 --> 01:33:03,090
their their brand new AI bullshit detector, then

2697
01:33:03,090 --> 01:33:04,529
it goes, well, it came back as good.

2698
01:33:04,529 --> 01:33:05,750
Well, maybe it is good.

2699
01:33:06,130 --> 01:33:08,210
But maybe what if it's that one little

2700
01:33:08,210 --> 01:33:10,050
sliver? Maybe it's just in a in an

2701
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:11,895
area that you never even touched, but it

2702
01:33:11,895 --> 01:33:13,335
has to do with the videos you see

2703
01:33:13,335 --> 01:33:15,414
coming out of Israel or something like that.

2704
01:33:15,414 --> 01:33:16,454
That that's where they

2705
01:33:17,095 --> 01:33:19,354
I can see that being the next

2706
01:33:21,015 --> 01:33:21,515
technological,

2707
01:33:21,895 --> 01:33:23,675
you know, transformative company

2708
01:33:24,609 --> 01:33:25,409
that we wind up,

2709
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:27,189
trusting

2710
01:33:28,210 --> 01:33:28,949
in the future

2711
01:33:29,489 --> 01:33:32,289
only to be bamboozled by it. Well, remember

2712
01:33:32,369 --> 01:33:34,529
Real real quickly, that's a very prescient statement

2713
01:33:34,529 --> 01:33:36,050
for those out there watching. I think we

2714
01:33:36,050 --> 01:33:37,409
all probably agree with that right now. It's

2715
01:33:37,409 --> 01:33:39,645
a really well great point. So make a

2716
01:33:39,645 --> 01:33:41,564
note of that, save that clip. That's gonna

2717
01:33:41,564 --> 01:33:43,244
come to pass. Again, I I would argue

2718
01:33:43,244 --> 01:33:44,845
it's gonna be the whole, you know, they

2719
01:33:44,845 --> 01:33:46,604
created it as a front kinda thing, probably

2720
01:33:46,604 --> 01:33:48,125
an Israeli company as far as I'm concerned.

2721
01:33:48,125 --> 01:33:49,885
But anyway, go ahead, Jason. Well, I'm just

2722
01:33:49,885 --> 01:33:51,885
saying right now, like, kind of an offshoot

2723
01:33:51,885 --> 01:33:54,784
of that is Sam Altman's World ID company.

2724
01:33:54,949 --> 01:33:57,030
Yeah. Yeah. Of course. You know, you know,

2725
01:33:57,030 --> 01:33:59,430
this is not only putting you on the

2726
01:33:59,430 --> 01:34:02,149
blockchain as a person, but it's ensuring that

2727
01:34:02,149 --> 01:34:03,909
you are not a deep fake, that you

2728
01:34:03,909 --> 01:34:06,310
are not a computer generation. And it's doing

2729
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:08,010
so by taking your biometric

2730
01:34:08,704 --> 01:34:10,164
information, you integrating

2731
01:34:10,864 --> 01:34:12,164
on this blockchain

2732
01:34:12,465 --> 01:34:15,425
network. And I'm not sure how far it's

2733
01:34:15,425 --> 01:34:17,764
gonna go, but, again, they've taken the Orb,

2734
01:34:18,064 --> 01:34:20,064
and they've made the Orb Mini that looks

2735
01:34:20,064 --> 01:34:21,984
a lot more like a a cell phone,

2736
01:34:21,984 --> 01:34:24,619
which we're acclimated to. You know? The Lochnar

2737
01:34:24,679 --> 01:34:25,659
was a tough sell,

2738
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,859
and they've moved to The United States.

2739
01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:31,079
They've gone to some pretty hip and cool

2740
01:34:31,079 --> 01:34:31,899
spots. Remember,

2741
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,079
initially, when this launched, two or three years

2742
01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:36,840
ago, they did have a spot where you

2743
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:38,935
could scan yourself at the bottom of the

2744
01:34:38,935 --> 01:34:41,034
World Trade Center. You'd go down the escalators.

2745
01:34:41,094 --> 01:34:43,175
It was in this kiosk and shop. Now

2746
01:34:43,175 --> 01:34:44,074
they're in LA.

2747
01:34:44,694 --> 01:34:46,234
Now they're in Austin, Texas.

2748
01:34:46,854 --> 01:34:48,935
Now they're in Nashville. Ryan, you can go

2749
01:34:48,935 --> 01:34:50,614
down. You can go check one out right

2750
01:34:50,614 --> 01:34:53,100
now. They're trying to integrate it. When you

2751
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:54,560
start seeing commercials

2752
01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:57,500
pop up for it on TV or in

2753
01:34:57,500 --> 01:34:59,820
your YouTube ads, I think that's where they're

2754
01:34:59,820 --> 01:35:01,840
gonna be mainlining it even more.

2755
01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:04,515
But I think that Charlie's right. There's gonna

2756
01:35:04,515 --> 01:35:07,235
be other companies that jump in with this

2757
01:35:07,235 --> 01:35:09,735
technology as well. It doesn't necessarily mean

2758
01:35:10,275 --> 01:35:13,555
monetizing people or biometrics. It could be just

2759
01:35:13,555 --> 01:35:16,435
based on those deep fake videos interactions. It's

2760
01:35:16,435 --> 01:35:17,735
not just gonna be videos.

2761
01:35:18,189 --> 01:35:19,869
You know, I don't do it. I don't

2762
01:35:19,869 --> 01:35:22,189
do the video calls. Like, I've had a

2763
01:35:22,189 --> 01:35:24,109
couple girlfriends over the years. They're pissed because

2764
01:35:24,109 --> 01:35:26,289
I don't have an I iPhone. I FaceTimed

2765
01:35:26,670 --> 01:35:28,989
literally zero times in my life. But how

2766
01:35:28,989 --> 01:35:31,470
many people is that their main line of

2767
01:35:31,470 --> 01:35:32,850
communication to somebody

2768
01:35:33,175 --> 01:35:34,074
other than texting.

2769
01:35:35,255 --> 01:35:37,175
I think that's something that's gonna be hacked

2770
01:35:37,175 --> 01:35:38,935
in the next three to five years, that

2771
01:35:38,935 --> 01:35:41,175
you're gonna get a FaceTime call. I mean,

2772
01:35:41,175 --> 01:35:44,695
forget about the terrible bot fishes that wanna

2773
01:35:44,695 --> 01:35:46,774
meet you in Thailand and think you're cute.

2774
01:35:46,774 --> 01:35:49,719
Right? But, like, those have gone from your

2775
01:35:49,719 --> 01:35:50,619
spam DMs

2776
01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:53,260
to what? Phone calls sometimes.

2777
01:35:53,639 --> 01:35:55,399
I see them in Telegram all the time.

2778
01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:57,639
I get text messages on my phone. What

2779
01:35:57,639 --> 01:35:59,560
if that's a lifelike being? You know, that's

2780
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,545
almost the argument for Worldcoin right now, but

2781
01:36:02,545 --> 01:36:04,465
I think it's gonna be the argument for

2782
01:36:04,465 --> 01:36:05,604
a bunch of other tech.

2783
01:36:05,984 --> 01:36:07,204
That being said, gentlemen,

2784
01:36:07,505 --> 01:36:09,184
I do have to run. I hate to

2785
01:36:09,184 --> 01:36:10,784
wrap it a little bit short. I wanna

2786
01:36:10,784 --> 01:36:13,264
thank everybody over at the IMA panel. You

2787
01:36:13,264 --> 01:36:14,864
guys are kick ass. I can't wait to

2788
01:36:14,864 --> 01:36:16,005
do the next one.

2789
01:36:16,579 --> 01:36:18,979
And, everybody can check me out everywhere at

2790
01:36:18,979 --> 01:36:21,319
Jason Bermas, b e r m a s.

2791
01:36:21,380 --> 01:36:22,739
I sent you a shade in the DM

2792
01:36:22,739 --> 01:36:24,739
so you can share it with everybody. Thanks,

2793
01:36:24,739 --> 01:36:25,960
guys. Awesome.

2794
01:36:26,420 --> 01:36:28,420
Well, it's probably a good place to generally

2795
01:36:28,420 --> 01:36:29,779
wind down, but I feel like what what

2796
01:36:29,779 --> 01:36:31,880
I what let's if we could give, some

2797
01:36:32,395 --> 01:36:34,555
solutions in your mindset around, you know, AI

2798
01:36:34,555 --> 01:36:36,235
in general. Like so I I think the

2799
01:36:36,235 --> 01:36:37,515
big point is just to lay that out

2800
01:36:37,515 --> 01:36:39,595
there. We we already touched on the idea

2801
01:36:39,595 --> 01:36:41,914
of how the artificial intelligence aspect of this

2802
01:36:41,914 --> 01:36:44,074
is becoming all consuming. And from a global

2803
01:36:44,074 --> 01:36:46,555
perspective, obviously, as well, but from a US

2804
01:36:46,555 --> 01:36:49,530
perspective with the database discussion, you know, the

2805
01:36:49,530 --> 01:36:51,770
idea of the weird overlap of Doge and

2806
01:36:51,770 --> 01:36:53,850
efficiency and AI government and where that seems

2807
01:36:53,850 --> 01:36:54,810
to go, you know, if you have any

2808
01:36:54,810 --> 01:36:56,170
more thoughts just on that in general, I

2809
01:36:56,170 --> 01:36:57,850
think it's important that we flesh that out.

2810
01:36:57,850 --> 01:36:59,210
But what, you know, what what do you

2811
01:36:59,210 --> 01:37:01,065
see going forward in the future? You have

2812
01:37:01,065 --> 01:37:03,587
any thoughts on what people can do to

2813
01:37:03,587 --> 01:37:06,110
pull themselves away or just kind of end

2814
01:37:06,110 --> 01:37:08,948
wherever you'd like? Well, I mentioned earlier that

2815
01:37:08,948 --> 01:37:11,470
the Panopticon works because people self regulate. So

2816
01:37:11,470 --> 01:37:13,993
the obvious solution that I can present to

2817
01:37:13,993 --> 01:37:16,469
that would be not to. You know? Simply

2818
01:37:17,250 --> 01:37:19,889
simply don't. Simply don't self censor because you're

2819
01:37:19,889 --> 01:37:21,729
afraid that something might happen. I think it's

2820
01:37:21,729 --> 01:37:23,270
the only thing you can really think.

2821
01:37:24,849 --> 01:37:26,929
And I would take not exactly a solution,

2822
01:37:26,929 --> 01:37:28,770
but I would take some positivity out of

2823
01:37:28,770 --> 01:37:29,909
the idea of

2824
01:37:30,875 --> 01:37:33,114
harvesting all the data on the Internet because

2825
01:37:33,114 --> 01:37:35,135
I don't think that's necessarily useful.

2826
01:37:35,595 --> 01:37:37,435
Like, you have to have processing power to

2827
01:37:37,435 --> 01:37:38,954
pass this data. You know, there has to

2828
01:37:38,954 --> 01:37:40,395
be a trust that the data is accurate.

2829
01:37:40,395 --> 01:37:40,895
Like,

2830
01:37:41,275 --> 01:37:43,515
you could scrape all the dating websites across

2831
01:37:43,515 --> 01:37:44,875
the Internet, and you'd find out that the

2832
01:37:44,875 --> 01:37:46,390
average person is six foot one, a hundred

2833
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:48,149
and seventy pounds, and nobody was born before

2834
01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:49,289
1979.

2835
01:37:50,069 --> 01:37:51,670
But, like, how useful is any of that

2836
01:37:51,670 --> 01:37:53,350
data? And then that that will clash with

2837
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:55,029
data you have in other databases. So there

2838
01:37:55,029 --> 01:37:56,949
is, like, there is such a thing as,

2839
01:37:56,949 --> 01:37:58,789
like, hoarding data for data's sake, and I

2840
01:37:58,789 --> 01:38:00,069
think they are at that point. And I'm

2841
01:38:00,069 --> 01:38:02,574
not sure really how much practical use they

2842
01:38:02,574 --> 01:38:03,795
can put it to yet.

2843
01:38:04,654 --> 01:38:05,774
It's a good point, but I will I

2844
01:38:05,774 --> 01:38:07,715
will add that they at least the argument

2845
01:38:07,774 --> 01:38:10,094
was that the reason it progressed beyond, like,

2846
01:38:10,094 --> 01:38:13,295
using AI on XAI or on Twitter, which

2847
01:38:13,295 --> 01:38:14,895
is the same thing now, is is because

2848
01:38:14,895 --> 01:38:16,890
as you point out rightly, it's it takes,

2849
01:38:16,890 --> 01:38:18,329
like, even Grok has shown that, that it

2850
01:38:18,329 --> 01:38:20,170
takes a level of of, you know, there

2851
01:38:20,250 --> 01:38:21,729
there's it's a grade score based on any

2852
01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:23,610
people just write online, I'm whatever, you know,

2853
01:38:23,610 --> 01:38:25,130
and that gets added to whether that might

2854
01:38:25,130 --> 01:38:26,649
be the reality, and a lot of you

2855
01:38:26,649 --> 01:38:28,489
lie on social media. And so it's not

2856
01:38:28,489 --> 01:38:30,645
as high level, but they argue that the

2857
01:38:30,645 --> 01:38:32,804
government level data that they've had had access

2858
01:38:32,804 --> 01:38:34,885
to, it's the gold standard of data. Maybe

2859
01:38:34,885 --> 01:38:36,085
not to the point you're saying, but, you

2860
01:38:36,085 --> 01:38:37,764
know, you have, you know, the the claim.

2861
01:38:37,764 --> 01:38:39,364
You've got the follow through. You've got the

2862
01:38:39,364 --> 01:38:41,204
outcome. You know, you've got it's it's really

2863
01:38:41,204 --> 01:38:42,724
hard to deny that that gives you at

2864
01:38:42,724 --> 01:38:45,109
least the best possible picture if it's even

2865
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:46,470
possible to do what they're trying to achieve

2866
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:47,750
as what you would argue it may not

2867
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:49,270
be. But I think it's it's a great

2868
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:50,789
point, but I I worry that that might

2869
01:38:50,789 --> 01:38:52,869
have been why they bull rushed into this

2870
01:38:52,869 --> 01:38:54,010
position. You know?

2871
01:38:55,645 --> 01:38:57,725
I think James Corbett would tell everybody to

2872
01:38:57,725 --> 01:38:58,704
salt their information

2873
01:38:59,164 --> 01:39:01,164
to the extent that they can. Make sure

2874
01:39:01,164 --> 01:39:02,304
that you're not giving

2875
01:39:02,844 --> 01:39:03,344
up

2876
01:39:04,685 --> 01:39:07,104
your privacy or your information.

2877
01:39:07,869 --> 01:39:10,350
Kinda hard these days, but he meant he

2878
01:39:10,350 --> 01:39:11,789
tells a story of how he gets a

2879
01:39:11,789 --> 01:39:12,289
message

2880
01:39:12,829 --> 01:39:15,149
once a year from a bunch of random

2881
01:39:15,149 --> 01:39:17,390
people that wishing him happy birthday. It's because

2882
01:39:17,390 --> 01:39:19,310
that's just the date he picked on, like,

2883
01:39:19,310 --> 01:39:19,810
Skype.

2884
01:39:20,164 --> 01:39:21,844
You know? That that that was his birthday

2885
01:39:21,844 --> 01:39:23,784
when they asked him. And and and so,

2886
01:39:24,404 --> 01:39:25,064
you know,

2887
01:39:25,604 --> 01:39:27,305
I think it's it's a good point. Information

2888
01:39:27,444 --> 01:39:29,225
overload, sure. There's I think that

2889
01:39:29,844 --> 01:39:33,045
they could drown in data overload here. That

2890
01:39:33,045 --> 01:39:34,324
that that they've got all this, but they

2891
01:39:34,324 --> 01:39:35,609
don't really know what what to do with

2892
01:39:35,609 --> 01:39:38,329
it. I would also, you know, remind people

2893
01:39:38,329 --> 01:39:38,829
that

2894
01:39:39,609 --> 01:39:42,250
there is a level of incompetence too. And

2895
01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:44,010
once you get a machine as big as

2896
01:39:44,010 --> 01:39:46,489
the American government or the empire, you know,

2897
01:39:46,489 --> 01:39:46,989
that

2898
01:39:47,770 --> 01:39:48,989
that there's a lot of

2899
01:39:50,494 --> 01:39:52,335
inadequacies. There's a lot of people that that

2900
01:39:52,375 --> 01:39:53,694
you know, a lot of sections that don't

2901
01:39:53,694 --> 01:39:54,994
talk to each other. So

2902
01:39:55,935 --> 01:39:56,435
it's

2903
01:39:57,135 --> 01:39:58,675
we should be aware of it,

2904
01:39:59,055 --> 01:40:00,675
of course, and we should be,

2905
01:40:01,774 --> 01:40:03,234
paying attention and

2906
01:40:03,610 --> 01:40:06,170
moving our positioning ourselves out of the way

2907
01:40:06,170 --> 01:40:08,110
to the extent that we can. But also,

2908
01:40:08,409 --> 01:40:09,850
they make a lot of mistakes. You know,

2909
01:40:09,850 --> 01:40:11,789
they they could have a 10 step plan

2910
01:40:12,090 --> 01:40:12,750
to tyranny,

2911
01:40:13,210 --> 01:40:14,650
but if they can't get off of the

2912
01:40:14,650 --> 01:40:16,810
third step in this, then what good is,

2913
01:40:16,810 --> 01:40:19,664
you know, the rest of it? So so

2914
01:40:20,125 --> 01:40:21,965
if we need to make things as difficult

2915
01:40:21,965 --> 01:40:24,304
for them as possible, obviously, do not comply

2916
01:40:24,925 --> 01:40:26,444
where you can, where you can't. I mean,

2917
01:40:26,444 --> 01:40:27,425
I I get this

2918
01:40:28,284 --> 01:40:28,784
minor,

2919
01:40:30,045 --> 01:40:30,704
you know,

2920
01:40:31,340 --> 01:40:33,579
point every time I fly. When they go

2921
01:40:33,659 --> 01:40:35,100
when you go through and look into the

2922
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:36,640
camera, I go, no. I opt out.

2923
01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:39,180
Oh, okay. You know? Would are they collecting

2924
01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:41,899
my there's 18 cameras that caught me walking

2925
01:40:41,899 --> 01:40:43,659
in the airport and walking to the am

2926
01:40:43,659 --> 01:40:45,439
I on camera? Of course, I'm on camera.

2927
01:40:46,824 --> 01:40:49,244
But I'm not looking in in that camera

2928
01:40:49,704 --> 01:40:51,465
simply because you want me to, and I

2929
01:40:51,465 --> 01:40:54,024
don't have to. And it's optional for now,

2930
01:40:54,024 --> 01:40:56,604
which at some point won't be. So

2931
01:40:57,545 --> 01:40:59,789
don't make it easy for them. You know,

2932
01:41:00,170 --> 01:41:02,570
don't walk into their their we're already sort

2933
01:41:02,570 --> 01:41:04,250
of stuck in this to the extent, you

2934
01:41:04,250 --> 01:41:06,090
know, we can't necessarily get out of all

2935
01:41:06,090 --> 01:41:06,750
of it.

2936
01:41:07,210 --> 01:41:07,710
But

2937
01:41:09,210 --> 01:41:11,449
make it hard and and and don't give

2938
01:41:11,449 --> 01:41:12,110
them anything.

2939
01:41:14,364 --> 01:41:17,324
You're here. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't agree more.

2940
01:41:17,324 --> 01:41:19,585
Do you know, you can conduct

2941
01:41:20,925 --> 01:41:23,164
a lot of your business, if not most

2942
01:41:23,164 --> 01:41:25,725
of your business, in person with one other

2943
01:41:25,725 --> 01:41:28,050
person, and you don't have to do it

2944
01:41:28,449 --> 01:41:30,609
online. You don't have to do it over

2945
01:41:30,609 --> 01:41:32,770
the phone. You don't have to do it

2946
01:41:32,770 --> 01:41:33,270
through

2947
01:41:33,729 --> 01:41:35,349
third party payment processors.

2948
01:41:36,050 --> 01:41:36,630
You know?

2949
01:41:37,889 --> 01:41:39,489
Most of it. Some of it, you know,

2950
01:41:39,489 --> 01:41:40,710
if you you whatever.

2951
01:41:41,170 --> 01:41:41,670
But

2952
01:41:43,925 --> 01:41:46,885
you can take steps every single day that

2953
01:41:46,885 --> 01:41:49,364
help get you a little bit further away

2954
01:41:49,364 --> 01:41:49,864
from,

2955
01:41:50,324 --> 01:41:51,064
you know,

2956
01:41:51,845 --> 01:41:54,645
the state in terms of what their reach

2957
01:41:54,645 --> 01:41:57,260
and their impact is on you. And,

2958
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:58,779
just about everybody

2959
01:41:59,239 --> 01:42:02,439
involved here has been screaming about this for

2960
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,060
a very long time, and,

2961
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:07,640
everybody's own, you know, websites and shows are

2962
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:08,859
a wealth of resources

2963
01:42:09,425 --> 01:42:11,265
for how you can do this going back

2964
01:42:11,265 --> 01:42:13,125
for quite a while now.

2965
01:42:13,585 --> 01:42:16,065
So it's a a really cool thing to

2966
01:42:16,065 --> 01:42:17,364
be a part of all this.

2967
01:42:18,385 --> 01:42:20,145
Yeah. Absolutely. And I think we've had a

2968
01:42:20,145 --> 01:42:21,985
lot of important discussion today and a lot

2969
01:42:21,985 --> 01:42:24,065
of great points were made. And I definitely

2970
01:42:24,065 --> 01:42:25,760
think that that, you know, we're we're the

2971
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,560
same message from everybody. You know, it's just

2972
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:29,380
it's important today that we are

2973
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:30,260
skeptical.

2974
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,079
Right? There's a lot of reasons to be

2975
01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:33,920
concerned about where this goes. None of us

2976
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,680
have a crystal ball. We don't know exactly

2977
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,795
what's coming. But as Steve says, we've been

2978
01:42:37,795 --> 01:42:39,155
calling this out for a long time in

2979
01:42:39,155 --> 01:42:40,994
a lot of specific ways that are exactly

2980
01:42:40,994 --> 01:42:42,994
happening. And so right now, I think it's

2981
01:42:42,994 --> 01:42:44,515
an important inflection point where you can see

2982
01:42:44,515 --> 01:42:46,675
this partisan kind of explosion. And and I

2983
01:42:46,675 --> 01:42:48,675
think as usual, as we've seen from kind

2984
01:42:48,675 --> 01:42:51,095
of the last few, I think, clumsy events,

2985
01:42:51,395 --> 01:42:53,050
people get just shaken free. And I I

2986
01:42:53,050 --> 01:42:54,170
think they get more a little bit more

2987
01:42:54,170 --> 01:42:55,850
concerned about that. And maybe I'm maybe that's

2988
01:42:55,850 --> 01:42:57,930
wishful thinking. Maybe I'm completely wrong. But I

2989
01:42:57,930 --> 01:42:59,369
feel that. I sense that. And I think

2990
01:42:59,369 --> 01:43:01,210
every agenda that keeps happening from COVID to

2991
01:43:01,210 --> 01:43:03,210
now, people are just not buying it. And

2992
01:43:03,210 --> 01:43:04,810
I think you get the erratic Alice carps

2993
01:43:04,810 --> 01:43:06,465
out there that everything's fine, you know. And

2994
01:43:06,465 --> 01:43:07,744
so I think it's important just to be

2995
01:43:07,744 --> 01:43:09,664
skeptical about all this, to be aware of

2996
01:43:09,664 --> 01:43:11,744
where it goes, and don't just follow along.

2997
01:43:11,744 --> 01:43:13,344
As Charlie says, don't do the old, well,

2998
01:43:13,344 --> 01:43:15,425
they already have everything, so why not even

2999
01:43:15,425 --> 01:43:16,324
if that's true,

3000
01:43:16,625 --> 01:43:18,064
don't make it that easy for them. Right?

3001
01:43:18,064 --> 01:43:19,425
You don't know what's coming next. You don't

3002
01:43:19,425 --> 01:43:20,960
know what that last thing could mean. And

3003
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,239
I'll just leave it with the point that

3004
01:43:22,239 --> 01:43:24,399
re you have to realize how all encompassing

3005
01:43:24,399 --> 01:43:25,840
this truly is and how long it's been

3006
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,920
happening. You know, it's the idea of health

3007
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,920
care we didn't even touch on today. Right?

3008
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,840
You got this overlap of Palantir and tele

3009
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,479
teletracking. You got Palantir and Tiberias, which was

3010
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,305
Biden's administration into Trump's administration. You got all

3011
01:43:37,305 --> 01:43:39,225
these different overlaps and it is all literally

3012
01:43:39,225 --> 01:43:40,685
coming together. And I can't

3013
01:43:41,145 --> 01:43:43,005
not see that as

3014
01:43:43,305 --> 01:43:45,064
any one of the part as the whole

3015
01:43:45,064 --> 01:43:47,305
thing being the entire agenda. Not one element

3016
01:43:47,305 --> 01:43:48,904
of it, but all of it together because

3017
01:43:48,904 --> 01:43:50,425
this is bigger than health. It's bigger than

3018
01:43:50,425 --> 01:43:52,600
policing. It's bigger than all it is it

3019
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,760
is bigger than we've seen. And I genuinely

3020
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:56,279
think this is whether we're talking about the

3021
01:43:56,279 --> 01:43:58,119
Patriot Act kind of surveillance state into the

3022
01:43:58,119 --> 01:44:00,920
technocratic state and the surveillance aspect they're in,

3023
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:02,840
whatever you see it is, just, you know,

3024
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,079
help inform people, give them information here, look

3025
01:44:05,079 --> 01:44:06,595
through the source material we provide, which I

3026
01:44:06,595 --> 01:44:08,994
will after we're done, and help us fight

3027
01:44:08,994 --> 01:44:10,835
this because I genuinely think this is going

3028
01:44:10,835 --> 01:44:12,914
in a very, very dangerous direction. And I'll

3029
01:44:12,914 --> 01:44:14,774
point out things like this as well. US

3030
01:44:15,954 --> 01:44:17,175
proven CRISPR food.

3031
01:44:17,489 --> 01:44:19,250
The idea that there's now a overlap of

3032
01:44:19,250 --> 01:44:21,650
convergence of CRISPR and artificial intelligence and the

3033
01:44:21,650 --> 01:44:23,730
paradigm shift therein, and the idea that this

3034
01:44:23,730 --> 01:44:24,930
is now being you you know, you can

3035
01:44:24,930 --> 01:44:26,850
see the idea with AI with making new

3036
01:44:26,850 --> 01:44:28,850
injections that nobody wants, AI with food that

3037
01:44:28,850 --> 01:44:30,210
we didn't want before when it was Bill

3038
01:44:30,210 --> 01:44:31,804
Gates. I mean, it's it's be I guess

3039
01:44:31,804 --> 01:44:34,225
because the AI overlap, it's suddenly somehow different.

3040
01:44:34,364 --> 01:44:35,965
I'll shout out the article I mentioned earlier

3041
01:44:35,965 --> 01:44:38,604
from off Guardian, Trump's Palantir powered surveillance is

3042
01:44:38,604 --> 01:44:40,765
turning America into a digital prison. So I

3043
01:44:40,765 --> 01:44:42,685
hope everybody could gain from this today. We

3044
01:44:42,685 --> 01:44:44,284
will be having a lot more panels coming

3045
01:44:44,284 --> 01:44:45,804
your way. Thank you all for being here.

3046
01:44:45,804 --> 01:44:48,659
And as always, question everything. Come to your

3047
01:44:48,659 --> 01:44:49,319
own conclusions.

3048
01:44:50,099 --> 01:44:50,840
Stay vigilant.