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Hey, everyone. This is Derek Bros with the

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Independent Media Alliance, and welcome to another panel.

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We got a full house tonight. We're gonna

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be diving deep into AI,

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and we wanna get to it as quick

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as possible. But before we do that, just

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a couple of, quick announcements. Ryan, I know

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you got something big to share with everybody.

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Yes. We wanna start off with this pretty

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pretty great announcement,

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shared

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Oh, nope. Media lines and Rookie mistake. We're

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gonna we're we're gonna get started with this

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opening from Odysee, which I think is,

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it's pretty cool. It's pretty pretty nice, you

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know, kind of overlay of not just the

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portal that they're starting, the decentralized Internet aspect,

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but really kind of shouting out the independent

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media alliance. I'll just give you a couple

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of the parts that I think were important.

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As they just said, decentralization

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in action, Odysee welcomes the independent media alliance

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to portal. At Odysee, we've always believed in

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giving creators the tools to control their own

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destinies. That's why we're thrilled to announce that

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the Independent Media Alliance, a coalition led by

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Whitney Webb, Derrick Rose, and Ryan Christian, will

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soon be launching its own portal within what

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they're calling their emerging decentralized media ecosystem or

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DME.

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This is more than just a new partnership,

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they wrote. It's a powerful demonstration of what's

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possible when independent voices are equipped with the

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right tools to protect their editorial integrity and

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speak directly to their communities without relying on

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the whims of centralized platforms or algorithmic gatekeepers,

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which I think, you know, in the AI

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conversation, that's definitely relevant today. It says the

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portal is the product of years of work

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toward a single goal, building a publishing infrastructure

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that puts creators in full control with portal.

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We're moving beyond video offering a complete decentralized

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publishing platform platform that functions more like an

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independent website builder, but with freedom, resilience, and

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sovereignty baked into the core. Every portal, including

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the IMAs, operates independently.

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Creators and collectives manage their own,

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commenting systems, messaging, monetization, everything about it. No

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centralized authority deciding what's acceptable, just creators and

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their audiences building relationships on their own terms.

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The Independent Media Alliance, they wrote, is exactly

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the kind of project we had in mind

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when they built this portal. And, basically, they

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say everybody involved with the Independent Media Alliance

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represents a bold principled tradition of investigative reporting

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that refuses to be silenced by centralized interests.

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Lastly, their portal

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with their portal, the IMA they wrote won't

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be published just published content. They'll set their

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own terms for distribution, engagement, monetization. They'll lead

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a living example of what decentralized journalism looks

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like in practice, and we're proud they wrote

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to support that every step of the way.

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Says we believe the IMEI's move to portal

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signals something larger. It's a turning point, not

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just for Odysee, but for the media landscape

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as a whole. And I really agree with

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this in in a sense that this is

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a new step with the decentralized Internet direction

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and really just what we're doing. And I'll

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I'll also point out to that we're there's

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financial mechanism in all of this. Odysee's supporting

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this because they believe in what we're doing,

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And I just think that's important that, you

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know, we're trying to strike this out in

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a new direction. So anyone wants to comment

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on that, I think it's a pretty amazing

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step. And then we'll go give it back

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to Derek and get going.

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Alright. Well, no thoughts on it in general.

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I'm just excited to announce it. But, oh,

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did Derek drop off?

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I think he'll be back in a second,

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but I just wanted to say Yeah. Go

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ahead, Gabe. I'll throw it to you. Go

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ahead. Yep. So this is, my first panel.

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Super excited to be here with the rest

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of you greats. And, yeah, we've been watching

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the development of portal, and it is really,

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really exciting

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to have that contained. And, you know, I

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know how hard building software is. So I

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think when the,

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this platform launches portal, it'll be the perfect

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way to combine forces together. And I know

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we all have audiences, and that's kind of

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the problem right now with decentralization. We're all

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fractured. So here, there's gonna be some sort

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of unification, and I think it'll make a

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big splash. So I'm really, really excited.

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And I'm glad you're here as well. I'm

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glad Whitney's joining us today. And I think

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this is gonna be a really great panel.

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And so the main focus of today is

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focused on artificial intelligence. And really, just as

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a broad sense, its its influence,

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how it's changed

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everything, but specifically research, investigation, media,

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and anywhere else we think that relates. And

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I'll just kick it off with kind of

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main things that I thought, and then we'll

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kinda go around and we guys everyone can

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give their kinda thoughts on where this should

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go. I I see this as four main

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focal points for me that I think stand

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out. And that is just individual researchers using

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AI and being manipulated by it, trust more

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blindly. Brian,

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Derek is back. Can you add him on?

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Yeah. Yeah. Give me one second. Let me.

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All right. Let me let me keep doing

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that real quick, and then we'll go back

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to Derek.

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So my point was

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individual researchers

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is a is an obvious important point to

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people being manipulated by AI online. Then there's

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journalists that use this and potentially lean into

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it too much, as well as also maybe

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blindly trust it. And medical aspect of AI

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manipulating, we talk about vaccines, medical research, and

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then just government in general in the 50,000

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ways that could apply. But we'll also talk

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about the obvious benefits

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of how this can be used. So go

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ahead, Derek. You wanna kick us off?

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Yeah. So, thanks for that, Ryan. And I

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wanna just go right into it. Again, we've

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talked about everybody here being crunched on time.

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I wanna start by playing these two videos.

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I hope Patrick Wood will join us. He

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is, you know, part of the Independent Media

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Alliance. He was on a past panel. So

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I don't really wanna speak about Patrick without

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him being here, but I do believe he'll

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show up. And so this kinda came out

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of a conversation I saw happening online where

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different people,

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some who are more well known than others,

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like, I'm so disappointed in Patrick Wood. In

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his latest show, he said he's gonna use

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AI, and he made some comments about AI.

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This is the guy that's been warning everybody

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about technocracy

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for decades. How dare he?

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a wide range of opinions in here. So

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my the main focus of original idea was

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like, just to let everybody here share, have

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you used AI? You know, where, how is

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it valuable? Are you super like, you know,

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no AI in any way at all? And

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just kind of see where that conversation goes.

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playing just those two short clips, this is

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actually from Patrick show where he speaks for

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himself and then says some things about AI

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that triggered some folks.

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for our own purposes. What as long as

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it'll be it'll be censored. It'll be destroyed

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probably at some point. But for now, it's

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a useful tool to uncover things that you

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see on the Internet. And

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gonna see you have more useful information coming

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into your brain.

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that triggered some people out there. His saying,

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you're if you don't use it, you're gonna

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get left behind. I think that fruit was,

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people. But, yeah. So I just wanna use

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that to open the door. And, of course,

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if Patrick shows up, give him a chance

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to elaborate on that. Of course, as we

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it out to whoever wants to jump in

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there. First of all, I I went and

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actually defended Patrick in in the Twitter,

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arguments there and basically said that I didn't

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think it was that big of a deal,

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that, AI is is a tool. Obviously, we

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all have concerns here and about the direction

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governance, etcetera. But I didn't I I guess

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expect those of us who speak against technocracy,

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they might also think that that means we're

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anti technology,

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which I think is a big confusion. Some

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technocracy with technology.

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So, yeah, I I didn't really get that

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triggered by it. My personal use of AI

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has been extremely, extremely limited. I, for example,

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use it to transcribe videos sometimes, so I

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can get quotes for articles instead of having

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to sit there and listen and write them

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as I have done for years and years.

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ChatGBT or Grok or these others. I've used

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it to transcribe, like, 250 year old handwritten

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documents about the Jesuits that would have taken

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at and decipher myself. The AI does it,

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and then I go in, of course, with

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my human eye and check it and see

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what's wrong. But I've only used it in

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limited ways like that.

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I've played around with asking Grok some questions

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to show that it can be wrong. I've

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had it fabricate quotes out of books that

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I have on my shelf, and it's telling

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me, no, it's on page 29, paragraph two,

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sentence three, and we'll just keep going and

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going until I'm like, look, There's nothing there.

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all your time.

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I just must have taken some information from

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other places. And so, yeah, I'm not an

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but overall, my general view is that it

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can be very useful for time saving and

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things like that. Of course, the bigger concern

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is just like with

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Google Maps and GPS in general, people give

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of doing any researches like, grok, is this

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thing true? And then, you know, they go

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with whatever that answer is, and that's kind

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of where their research ends. So, yeah, those

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are my initial thoughts on this whole thing.

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okay, I'd like to

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at least get some of the points that

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present today across since I have to leave

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at the top of the hour.

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I think right now, we're at the building

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trust phase of AI,

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the carrot opposed to the stick.

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rely on it, the more that they're going

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to eventually hemorrhage,

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their ability to investigate without it,

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their ability to think creatively

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without it or critically without it. And I

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think, ultimately,

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it it's meant to be a gradual process,

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but it's a process that's intended to happen

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as people become more dependent on it over

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time. You have

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extremely bad people like Henry Kissinger and Eric

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Schmidt openly saying this is the intent of

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it. Years ago in a book they wrote

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together,

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that this was basically the intended plan of

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it. So now, you know, it's all

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fine to use for this and that. We

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can all find,

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you know, reasons,

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you know, why it might be convenient and

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all of that. But, ultimately,

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I've been talking for a few years,

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and, sorry for being extra congested today.

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But,

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basically, convenience is the way to get us

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to go into

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this future technocratic

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system.

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A lot of people that have been warning

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about this for a long time have been,

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like,

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waiting for the stick, waiting for the violence.

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But it's really meant to be, in my

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opinion, a way to sort of engineer,

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voluntary acquiescence

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to these systems that are being built.

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And I think AI is is the ultimate

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way,

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to do that,

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and that eventually people,

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you know you know, if you don't use

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it, you lose it, kind of like Derek

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mentioned with Google Maps and navigation skills

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or mental,

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math and relying on calculators.

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This is the same type of function, but

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now it's being used by people, you know,

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like the is this real

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example to AI? AI hallucinates,

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and presents wrong output all of the time.

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So how are you going to ask it

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if it's real or not? And our controllers,

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people like Schmidt and Kissinger,

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want us to do that,

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because they wanna they want us to use

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AI as the arbiter

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of what is real and what is not

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by cons and and using AI at the

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same time to basically spam the digital realm,

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with things that are not true, what we

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think are true so that we fail to

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really have confidence in being able to distinguish,

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between what's real and what's not.

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And so, you know, personally, I think,

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you know, a lot of people are going

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to rationalize and do rationalize,

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their use of AI.

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And that's fine. I'm not gonna I don't

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I'm not really interested

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in telling people what to do, but I

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think a lot of people engage with it

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without being aware of the risks

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or the ultimate designs of what it is

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and how, you know,

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we as content creators

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can be very manipulated by it and by

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algorithms

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and by commenters that may not be real

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people or bots of them. I mean, keep

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in mind that the biggest bot farms are

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run by states,

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militaries,

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generally. And you have, you know,

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one of the main social media sites now

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also being owned by an AI company, but

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it's run by a major military contractor.

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There was a story a few weeks ago

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about,

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fake,

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AI

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people

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on Reddit changing people's

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actual people's opinions,

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just by spamming their

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takes, I guess.

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And and humans have, you know, always been

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swayed by the opinions of the herd and

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all of that. And now they have microdata

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on all of us by having, you know,

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decades on most people of data of their

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decisions from the minute to the big

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and are able to, you know,

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pinpoint specific demographics and herd them to specific

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conclusions.

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And I think really there's not a not

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not not enough discussion about how,

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that impacts our discourse even as independent media.

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We I've obviously, all of us like to

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think of ourselves

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as independent free thinkers, but if you post

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a video or post a thing and it's

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spammed by some,

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comment,

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you know, bot army that's super negative about

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it, maybe you won't talk about that stuff

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again, and you'll think they're real people. I

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mean, a lot of us don't necessarily,

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think about that because, you know, the Internet,

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even five years ago,

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was really different than it is today.

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And, well, I have more I could say,

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I guess, but,

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you know, I think the risk benefit of

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a lot of this isn't,

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necessarily talked about because people are just kind

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of reaping

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the small convenient

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benefits of it,

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which is fine.

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Understand people are busy,

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and and all of that. But, you know,

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I personally ideologically

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view a lot of what's going on. Like,

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as, you know, we're in a war, it's

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not really just an info war. It's a

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war for,

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you know, humanity

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and, like, the human soul and our ability

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to create.

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And if we stop,

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creating and start outsourcing that to AI, you

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know,

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we're screwed,

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basically. Have you used it at all for

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your research, Whitney? No. In any way? No?

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No.

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Well, let me go and piggyback on that

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since this is a perfect, you know, opening.

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And just for those listening, I I believe

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there's a lot of different opinions in in

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the in the panel today. So I'm sure

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there are. Yeah. No. No. I mean, in

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a positive way. Like, we all that's why

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we put this together because all of us

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are coming at this from the very skeptical

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perspective. But so I'll I'll make the first

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step in that direction where what's funny is

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I'm right there with Whitney in in in

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my skepticism, my concern. I % agree with

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everything she just said about how it's being

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used, and there's no real but coming in

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here. My point is that I have been

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very ad adverse to it, to the point

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to where I absolutely wouldn't even look at

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it, wouldn't touch it. Until the first time

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I decided to, I said, okay. I was

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noticing two things was I think the first

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example, what some of the other people will

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mention today is sort of like trying to

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find a date that I couldn't find. For

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example, in Brave, somehow convincing myself that Brave

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was lesser evil kind of a dynamic. And

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so that started to open the door for

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me, which I I talk on my show

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about how I got frustrated about that, but

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it's, you know, trying to resist that. But

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then at the same time, what I the

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the real part that I started to use

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it at now I I mean, I'm gonna

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keep doing this at least for now because

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I think there's an irrelevant point in here

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even though I agree with Whitney's point, and

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she's probably right that maybe it's a a

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overall negative. But the whole Brock thing, what

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I find so interesting or whatever platform is

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that there are people that do blindly trust

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that, especially from the partisan angle that it's

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somehow our conservative thing or it's Elon's thing,

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and so they do use it as sort

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of like, see, you're wrong because Brock said.

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But then this interesting dynamic starts happening where

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they're almost now attacking it because you have

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lefties, I guess, going, does Rock, is that

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true? And it's showing that they're wrong. And

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so it's like this interesting back and forth

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where I've started to point at it and

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say, but look, your thing is saying that

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you're wrong, not to say that I blindly

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trust it. And but I agree. I feel

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like that is I I you know, just

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I shouldn't be doing that, quite frankly. But

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I do find that there's a benefit in

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that moment. And so it's kind of that

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give and take about whether it's worth it,

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whether it's a long run negative, which I

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do flatly think. And so, but, my overall

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point is that I do think that it's

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dangerous. I think we're training these models for

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them. I think we're building the, you know,

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our control structure. Right? At the same time,

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though, I do know that there are beneficial

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aspects like like, Patrick's talking about. I'm sure

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others, I think, are gonna mention the use

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of this and research how it's it is

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very powerful. But I think I I'm right

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now at the point where I'm I don't

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think I'm gonna allow myself, even if I

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think it's a possibility that will help me,

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to go any further than I already am,

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maybe even stop doing that. But I do

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see the benefit. And so it's like I

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just I'm always trying to be careful, like,

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the Internet point that we don't miss the

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forest for the trees, don't lose a tool

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that may be used to fight back against

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the system. But, again, wanna reiterate, I pretty

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much agree with exactly what he said. And

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I think we are hurting ourselves by using

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it, but it's a different different time.

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I'd I'd I'd like to add on to

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that. And first of all, thanks.

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It's

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it's really good to be here with y'all

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and on such a spicy panel, might I

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add. For those of you who don't know

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me, my name's Hakeem. And I just want

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to add on and say that I agree

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with everything that's been said so far. And

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there's we can all agree, even the people

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who use AI can agree, that they're getting

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dumber

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by using it if they're depending on it

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too much. But I want to push back

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a little bit on the, this this was

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designed as a weapon to control people's minds

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because you could make the same point with

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the Internet

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that DARPA created it to actually be a

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surveillance,

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a system for surveillance that could capture data

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all over the world.

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And then it ended up being the reason

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why we have, we can have so many,

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so much knowledge from different time periods

531
00:17:58,250 --> 00:18:00,250
and do this research. And just as kind

532
00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:02,410
of like a, it's interesting as like a

533
00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:05,544
Neo Luddite to oppose it, but you're having

534
00:18:05,544 --> 00:18:06,204
to use

535
00:18:06,505 --> 00:18:08,184
the internet at the same time to get

536
00:18:08,184 --> 00:18:09,085
your point across.

537
00:18:09,544 --> 00:18:12,744
And I consider myself a techno optimist, but

538
00:18:12,744 --> 00:18:15,144
I was super resistant to AI for a

539
00:18:15,144 --> 00:18:17,279
very long time. And I still am very

540
00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:19,380
cautious and aware about how I use it.

541
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,679
But I I do think, like, everything that's

542
00:18:21,679 --> 00:18:24,179
been said so far, like, the feebleness aspect,

543
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,419
people don't know how to tell directions.

544
00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,839
But is there a conscious way that people

545
00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:31,984
could be using their maps so they're actually

546
00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:34,224
increasing their rate of learning?

547
00:18:34,605 --> 00:18:36,285
And the same way with AI, is there

548
00:18:36,285 --> 00:18:38,045
a conscious way that you can use it

549
00:18:38,045 --> 00:18:38,704
that actually

550
00:18:39,005 --> 00:18:40,684
helps you to get more knowledge and to

551
00:18:40,684 --> 00:18:43,565
improve your reasoning skills? Right now, it doesn't

552
00:18:43,565 --> 00:18:45,964
really look like it because eighty six percent

553
00:18:45,964 --> 00:18:47,839
of college students, according to a survey,

554
00:18:48,299 --> 00:18:50,380
use AI. About a quarter of them use

555
00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:52,859
it daily, and professors are freaking out because

556
00:18:52,859 --> 00:18:55,660
of this. But for for myself personally, as

557
00:18:55,660 --> 00:18:56,640
a software engineer,

558
00:18:57,179 --> 00:18:58,859
I was super resistant to it, like I

559
00:18:58,859 --> 00:19:00,815
said. And then I started to use it

560
00:19:00,815 --> 00:19:02,674
for small things like debugging.

561
00:19:03,134 --> 00:19:05,055
And one thing I became to understand is

562
00:19:05,055 --> 00:19:07,634
that the, you know, the corpus of knowledge

563
00:19:07,695 --> 00:19:09,695
that's out there in the world is so

564
00:19:09,695 --> 00:19:13,154
huge that you couldn't possibly accept expect yourself

565
00:19:13,295 --> 00:19:15,660
to have an understanding of everything. But this

566
00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:18,120
AI, because it's been trained on everything,

567
00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:20,340
has at least a little bit of knowledge

568
00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:22,019
of everything. So even if it points you

569
00:19:22,019 --> 00:19:23,000
in the wrong direction,

570
00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:25,779
it's a starting point. And and like Derek

571
00:19:25,779 --> 00:19:28,340
is saying, you have to double check every

572
00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:30,575
aspect of its use, but it can be

573
00:19:30,575 --> 00:19:32,414
used to improve your skills. And and I

574
00:19:32,414 --> 00:19:34,255
do believe that. So I I what I've

575
00:19:34,255 --> 00:19:36,095
been thinking about is the bright side of

576
00:19:36,095 --> 00:19:37,234
AI. Is there any,

577
00:19:38,494 --> 00:19:39,634
that there are

578
00:19:40,015 --> 00:19:42,035
things that we can do to,

579
00:19:42,654 --> 00:19:45,460
stop it from hurting us or being, being

580
00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:47,140
negative as a whole. And one of that

581
00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:49,700
is to not support large AI companies. So

582
00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:51,380
as quickly as I could, I saw what

583
00:19:51,380 --> 00:19:52,740
chat g p t was doing, which I

584
00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:54,099
didn't think it was that good in the

585
00:19:54,099 --> 00:19:56,974
first place. But I started running a AI

586
00:19:56,974 --> 00:19:58,894
at home on an air gapped system that's

587
00:19:58,894 --> 00:20:00,974
not connected to the Internet, running your own

588
00:20:00,974 --> 00:20:02,894
local models, which is a tiny step in

589
00:20:02,894 --> 00:20:04,755
the right direction because at least you're not

590
00:20:04,815 --> 00:20:06,755
feeding back to the surveillance infrastructure.

591
00:20:07,215 --> 00:20:09,134
And then also to check-in with your own

592
00:20:09,134 --> 00:20:11,549
knowledge and intuition and reasoning at every point,

593
00:20:11,630 --> 00:20:13,710
not just accept any answer it gives you,

594
00:20:13,710 --> 00:20:15,230
copy and paste it, and present it as

595
00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:17,789
your own ideas, but to really be critical

596
00:20:17,789 --> 00:20:19,390
of what it's saying and to go back

597
00:20:19,390 --> 00:20:22,029
and and research it and to use it

598
00:20:22,029 --> 00:20:23,789
as a as a tool and use it

599
00:20:23,789 --> 00:20:25,549
to improve your skills. I think there are

600
00:20:25,549 --> 00:20:27,944
some things that have been good about its

601
00:20:27,944 --> 00:20:29,724
use. But, generally

602
00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:32,924
generally, it's it's like one of these technologies

603
00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:34,424
where as a as a Luddite or a

604
00:20:34,424 --> 00:20:36,744
Neo Luddite, you wanna fight it, but also

605
00:20:36,744 --> 00:20:38,744
the genie is out of the bottle, and

606
00:20:38,744 --> 00:20:40,380
how do you put it back in? Honestly,

607
00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:41,740
how do you put it back in? And

608
00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:43,339
so that's another question I think would be

609
00:20:43,339 --> 00:20:45,500
really useful to talk about. Are the people

610
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,660
using AI specifically in my mind? I'm thinking

611
00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:50,059
the tech companies. Are they just gonna surpass

612
00:20:50,059 --> 00:20:52,700
everyone else? But, I know that's a lot.

613
00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:53,200
Please.

614
00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:55,875
I wanna jump in here because, first of

615
00:20:55,875 --> 00:20:57,795
all, I don't think you can put anything

616
00:20:57,795 --> 00:20:59,154
in the back in the bottle. I don't

617
00:20:59,154 --> 00:21:01,174
think that if it's in the public arena,

618
00:21:01,315 --> 00:21:02,755
it's in the public arena right now, and

619
00:21:02,755 --> 00:21:04,835
you're gonna get derivatives of it no matter

620
00:21:04,835 --> 00:21:05,734
what. Now

621
00:21:06,195 --> 00:21:08,279
I wanna start this by saying, I actually

622
00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:10,360
use AI on a daily basis, but not

623
00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,059
for research purposes ever.

624
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,039
And I'll I'll get to where I've used

625
00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:14,539
Grok,

626
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,519
in the past, and it's usually

627
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,240
I find Grok to almost be a a

628
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,480
mirror image of the narrative that you're willing

629
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,140
to accept

630
00:21:22,555 --> 00:21:23,934
because it is very deceptive.

631
00:21:24,394 --> 00:21:26,815
Where I end up using AI is Photoshop

632
00:21:26,955 --> 00:21:29,195
for my for my thumbnails. And and, again,

633
00:21:29,195 --> 00:21:31,195
you you kinda see a mirror image of

634
00:21:31,195 --> 00:21:32,575
what you feed into

635
00:21:33,115 --> 00:21:35,849
the AI. So if I want a thumbnail

636
00:21:35,849 --> 00:21:38,009
to look a certain way, like an artist

637
00:21:38,009 --> 00:21:39,769
or some kind of a wallpaper, I grab

638
00:21:39,769 --> 00:21:41,450
it, and then I prompt it, and it'll

639
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:42,750
give me a dozen things

640
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:44,349
in a couple of minutes.

641
00:21:44,730 --> 00:21:45,230
Now,

642
00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:46,910
as a graphic designer,

643
00:21:47,545 --> 00:21:49,945
you know, my first desk job creating these

644
00:21:49,945 --> 00:21:52,025
type of things, obviously, I see the moral

645
00:21:52,025 --> 00:21:52,525
conundrum.

646
00:21:53,144 --> 00:21:55,384
But at the same time, it is the

647
00:21:55,384 --> 00:21:56,285
next tool.

648
00:21:56,825 --> 00:21:59,545
When we talk about and, really, the AI

649
00:21:59,545 --> 00:22:01,900
conversation, I think, is gonna end up going

650
00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:03,519
further than this. But we've really

651
00:22:03,980 --> 00:22:06,220
talked about language models and our interactions with

652
00:22:06,220 --> 00:22:06,880
them. Right?

653
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,339
I think we're in the beta phase of

654
00:22:09,339 --> 00:22:11,519
narrative management. This idea of hallucination

655
00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:12,880
is ridiculous.

656
00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:15,599
It's programming. We have to acknowledge that.

657
00:22:15,974 --> 00:22:17,035
So for instance,

658
00:22:17,734 --> 00:22:19,914
when I first asked Grok

659
00:22:20,295 --> 00:22:21,355
to just assess

660
00:22:21,894 --> 00:22:24,375
my Twitter feed, in the first two sentences,

661
00:22:24,375 --> 00:22:27,035
it lied about me and said that I

662
00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:29,494
I was basically this person that said people

663
00:22:29,494 --> 00:22:32,329
didn't even exist. Like, I made people up.

664
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:34,230
It's in the I have I have the

665
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:34,730
four

666
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:37,430
prompts. So I challenged Croc on it. I

667
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:39,430
said, well, who is Jason Bermas ever said

668
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:42,230
didn't exist? And then it brought up flight

669
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,970
93 that I had questioned what happened there.

670
00:22:45,109 --> 00:22:46,329
And I said, well,

671
00:22:46,955 --> 00:22:49,195
I never questioned who was on that plane,

672
00:22:49,195 --> 00:22:51,835
and it apologized to me. And now and

673
00:22:51,835 --> 00:22:54,154
now it starts placating to you. Isn't it

674
00:22:54,154 --> 00:22:55,535
nice that it apologizes?

675
00:22:56,075 --> 00:22:58,154
Oh, it apo oh, it'll apologize to me.

676
00:22:58,154 --> 00:23:00,009
Now the really interesting thing is, you know,

677
00:23:00,009 --> 00:23:01,630
you brought up DARPA and the ARPANET.

678
00:23:02,009 --> 00:23:03,529
So one of the tools that I did

679
00:23:03,529 --> 00:23:04,349
use it for

680
00:23:04,650 --> 00:23:06,269
was online showing

681
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:09,210
what the AI will show you about the

682
00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:11,654
creation of Google. And at the very beginning,

683
00:23:11,654 --> 00:23:13,174
you know how sometimes you'll get a Google

684
00:23:13,174 --> 00:23:14,154
AI representation?

685
00:23:15,015 --> 00:23:17,335
So, again, it's all what you feed into

686
00:23:17,335 --> 00:23:20,454
it. And I had discussed how Google really

687
00:23:20,454 --> 00:23:21,674
got its launch point

688
00:23:22,054 --> 00:23:24,855
from the National Library Initiative, which was DARPA

689
00:23:24,855 --> 00:23:25,980
and NASA run.

690
00:23:26,539 --> 00:23:27,039
Alright?

691
00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:30,079
So when I talked to Grok about it,

692
00:23:30,140 --> 00:23:32,940
Grok Grok obfuscates it, and then you bring

693
00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:34,700
it up. And then, like, oh, well, you're

694
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:36,380
right. And then you bring up it's got

695
00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:38,380
contracts with In Q Tel and the military

696
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:42,055
industrial complex in artificial intelligence and quantum computing,

697
00:23:42,055 --> 00:23:44,295
NASA in particular. And then he tells you,

698
00:23:44,295 --> 00:23:46,535
well, that's the conundrum, isn't it? How can

699
00:23:46,535 --> 00:23:48,694
we trust the AI when it's programmed by

700
00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:51,255
these entities? So, again, it makes you feel

701
00:23:51,255 --> 00:23:53,414
smart, but it's testing the waters all the

702
00:23:53,414 --> 00:23:53,914
time

703
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,180
on what kind of narrative it can push.

704
00:23:57,319 --> 00:23:59,319
And that is the real danger because, like

705
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,160
you guys have all said, people are gonna

706
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,519
start trusting this stuff for their medicine, their

707
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:06,759
everyday life. They're about to give up, a

708
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:08,299
lot of people already have,

709
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,160
their,

710
00:24:10,015 --> 00:24:12,115
you know, to autonomous cars.

711
00:24:12,414 --> 00:24:15,134
Like, in Phoenix right now, it's every it'll

712
00:24:15,134 --> 00:24:17,294
be a cold day in hell before I

713
00:24:17,294 --> 00:24:19,214
take an Uber that doesn't have a person

714
00:24:19,214 --> 00:24:19,875
in it.

715
00:24:20,255 --> 00:24:21,934
Alright? I'm just saying. I'm gonna I'm gonna

716
00:24:21,934 --> 00:24:23,134
leave it there because we have such a

717
00:24:23,134 --> 00:24:24,789
vast panel, and I want people to get

718
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:26,250
into it. But when we are talking

719
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:29,109
large language models, we're in the beta right

720
00:24:29,109 --> 00:24:31,750
now. We're in the narrative management phase, and

721
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:33,670
and, like she said, the trust building phase.

722
00:24:33,670 --> 00:24:36,009
How many people are gonna buy into this

723
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:37,130
and a new telemedicine

724
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:39,224
person? Because we do

725
00:24:39,605 --> 00:24:40,345
have AGIs

726
00:24:40,884 --> 00:24:42,644
that are getting better and better. Hell, they

727
00:24:42,644 --> 00:24:45,065
just let that dead guy

728
00:24:45,684 --> 00:24:46,744
have his sister

729
00:24:47,365 --> 00:24:48,085
make a,

730
00:24:48,884 --> 00:24:50,024
AI generated

731
00:24:50,484 --> 00:24:51,464
impact statement

732
00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:53,640
against the guy that killed him, and they

733
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,880
admitted that in court. I'm just I saw

734
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:56,380
that.

735
00:24:56,759 --> 00:24:58,200
James, you wanna jump in here? It's your

736
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,720
first time being on the panel. We haven't

737
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,400
heard from you in a while. Do you

738
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,539
use AI at all?

739
00:25:03,974 --> 00:25:06,054
Before I answer that, let me just say

740
00:25:06,054 --> 00:25:09,115
I wish Patrick Wood was here because, man,

741
00:25:09,335 --> 00:25:10,714
I don't know if I'm, like,

742
00:25:11,095 --> 00:25:13,974
Kanye level offended, but I am offended by

743
00:25:13,974 --> 00:25:16,234
those statements that he made made there.

744
00:25:16,775 --> 00:25:17,275
There.

745
00:25:17,654 --> 00:25:19,440
Yeah. I have things to say, and I'd

746
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,200
like to have him here to hash it

747
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,019
out. But anyway,

748
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,079
do I use AI is a great question

749
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:26,160
because as you were talking, Derek, I was

750
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,059
thinking to myself,

751
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,839
well, no. Of course not. But then you

752
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:32,695
you talk about, oh, machine transcription of, you

753
00:25:32,695 --> 00:25:35,015
know, reading the Jesuit text or whatever. And

754
00:25:35,015 --> 00:25:37,335
then I realized, oh, you know, I use

755
00:25:37,335 --> 00:25:38,714
the machine transcription

756
00:25:39,095 --> 00:25:40,454
all the time. Like, when I do a

757
00:25:40,454 --> 00:25:42,295
transcript of one of my podcasts, of course,

758
00:25:42,295 --> 00:25:44,394
I'm not sitting there typing out every word.

759
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,880
No. I get the machine generated transcript. I

760
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,279
send that over to my human editor, Susan,

761
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,119
in The US. And she goes through it

762
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,799
and make sure it's all right and, you

763
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,240
know, puts the words in the right order

764
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,400
and corrects the grammar and spelling and all

765
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,900
of that. And then I publish that. So

766
00:25:59,085 --> 00:26:01,164
if you call that AI, then, yep, you

767
00:26:01,164 --> 00:26:03,085
better believe that I use that. And in

768
00:26:03,085 --> 00:26:03,585
fact,

769
00:26:04,044 --> 00:26:05,884
that was one of the things that really

770
00:26:05,884 --> 00:26:08,924
first clued me into where this exponential curve

771
00:26:08,924 --> 00:26:11,005
that we're on was starting. Because I I

772
00:26:11,005 --> 00:26:14,019
always tell the story back in 2013,

773
00:26:14,019 --> 00:26:16,420
'20 '14, whenever it was that YouTube added

774
00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:17,079
the automatic

775
00:26:17,539 --> 00:26:19,940
captions to their videos. And I remember turning

776
00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:21,380
them on at the beginning just because it

777
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:22,980
was such a laugh. You would turn them

778
00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:24,920
on, and they would just be gobbledygook,

779
00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:26,359
total nonsense.

780
00:26:27,255 --> 00:26:29,414
And I would just laugh, You know? Oh,

781
00:26:29,414 --> 00:26:31,174
these stupid machines can't tell anything.

782
00:26:31,654 --> 00:26:33,734
Great. And then I tried it again, like,

783
00:26:33,734 --> 00:26:35,414
a year later, and it's like, oh, it

784
00:26:35,414 --> 00:26:35,914
gets

785
00:26:36,375 --> 00:26:39,174
it every single word exactly correct. And now

786
00:26:39,174 --> 00:26:40,599
it's at the point where there are times

787
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,039
when I'm watching a video and I can't

788
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:43,960
hear what the person said. I turn on

789
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,039
the auto transcript and it hears it. It

790
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,720
oh, yeah. That that was the word. Oh,

791
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,359
right. So, yeah, that got really spooky really

792
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,359
quickly. And that's the kind of exponential curve

793
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,615
we're on generally with this type of technology

794
00:26:54,615 --> 00:26:57,174
because Ray Kurzweil is a stark raving lunatic

795
00:26:57,174 --> 00:26:58,934
on a number of things. But I think

796
00:26:58,934 --> 00:27:00,875
he's right about exponential technological

797
00:27:01,174 --> 00:27:03,755
trends and what that means and how quickly

798
00:27:04,214 --> 00:27:06,695
this entire conversation in 2025

799
00:27:06,695 --> 00:27:08,480
will seem like something from a

800
00:27:08,859 --> 00:27:11,819
previous century five years from now. Having said

801
00:27:11,819 --> 00:27:12,319
that,

802
00:27:13,339 --> 00:27:15,099
you know, the only other use case that

803
00:27:15,099 --> 00:27:16,400
I have for AI

804
00:27:17,019 --> 00:27:17,519
is,

805
00:27:18,299 --> 00:27:20,160
as as Jason was saying,

806
00:27:21,335 --> 00:27:23,414
I have used Adobe Firefly a couple of

807
00:27:23,414 --> 00:27:25,414
times when Brock was not available to make

808
00:27:25,414 --> 00:27:27,494
a thumbnail for me. I need a thumbnail.

809
00:27:27,494 --> 00:27:29,195
I need this image of this thing.

810
00:27:29,974 --> 00:27:30,474
Okay.

811
00:27:31,015 --> 00:27:32,234
Go for it, Adobe.

812
00:27:32,615 --> 00:27:34,615
Make this image for me. And I have

813
00:27:34,615 --> 00:27:35,994
used that a couple of times.

814
00:27:36,730 --> 00:27:37,710
Having said that,

815
00:27:38,250 --> 00:27:40,109
I wanna put out a couple of requests.

816
00:27:40,169 --> 00:27:42,569
First of all, to independent media producers in

817
00:27:42,569 --> 00:27:43,309
general, please

818
00:27:44,409 --> 00:27:45,149
stop publishing

819
00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:48,569
articles about this incredible conversation I just had

820
00:27:48,569 --> 00:27:51,075
with AI. That is not a news story.

821
00:27:51,154 --> 00:27:54,034
I don't care. That is not interesting. It

822
00:27:54,034 --> 00:27:54,934
is not groundbreaking.

823
00:27:55,875 --> 00:27:58,214
AI is gonna tell you whatever you want

824
00:27:58,274 --> 00:28:00,274
to hear because it is not there to

825
00:28:00,274 --> 00:28:02,514
make some sort of case based on facts,

826
00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:04,355
logic, and evidence. It is there to be

827
00:28:04,355 --> 00:28:04,934
a persuasive

828
00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:07,970
argumenter. And that's exactly

829
00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:10,830
what Whitney was talking about with that, hey.

830
00:28:10,830 --> 00:28:12,830
Did did anyone see that story? The the

831
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:15,150
researchers went into that red subreddit about, you

832
00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:17,150
know, changed my mind or whatever that subreddit

833
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:17,650
was

834
00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:20,414
and used AI to to basically hone their

835
00:28:20,414 --> 00:28:22,595
models so it would become more persuasive

836
00:28:23,615 --> 00:28:25,154
at changing people's opinions.

837
00:28:25,534 --> 00:28:27,294
That should tell you a lot about where

838
00:28:27,294 --> 00:28:28,115
this is going.

839
00:28:28,654 --> 00:28:31,534
So independent media producers, please stop telling me

840
00:28:31,534 --> 00:28:33,774
about your conversations with AI. I couldn't care

841
00:28:33,774 --> 00:28:34,274
less.

842
00:28:34,575 --> 00:28:35,075
Secondly,

843
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,339
for people out there in the general audience,

844
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,380
please stop sending me emails about your conversations

845
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,080
with AI. I couldn't care less. Please stop

846
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,720
sending me your AI generated music. I couldn't

847
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,799
care less. That is not music. You are

848
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:49,815
not writing songs. You are putting your prompts

849
00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:51,654
into a machine, and it is generating stuff

850
00:28:51,654 --> 00:28:53,115
for you. That is not art.

851
00:28:53,414 --> 00:28:54,315
That is the

852
00:28:54,615 --> 00:28:55,115
antithesis

853
00:28:55,894 --> 00:28:58,954
of art. It takes the human creative element

854
00:28:59,015 --> 00:29:01,575
completely out of the equation. Why would I

855
00:29:01,575 --> 00:29:03,829
care about that? I am on team humanity,

856
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:06,289
not team machine. So please stop sending me

857
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:06,950
that crap.

858
00:29:07,569 --> 00:29:09,569
James, on on just real quick. On that

859
00:29:09,569 --> 00:29:11,329
that measure that idea of it not being

860
00:29:11,329 --> 00:29:12,069
art, obviously,

861
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:14,049
there'll be be people who take a different

862
00:29:14,049 --> 00:29:15,250
position. I went to this,

863
00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:19,194
debate years ago between this artist, Android Jones,

864
00:29:19,194 --> 00:29:20,954
who does digital art and, you know, people

865
00:29:20,954 --> 00:29:23,355
who were pure painters before said, oh, digital

866
00:29:23,355 --> 00:29:25,674
art isn't real art. You know, you're using

867
00:29:25,674 --> 00:29:28,075
computers, etcetera. And there was a debate between

868
00:29:28,075 --> 00:29:30,329
him and then other artists, if you will,

869
00:29:30,329 --> 00:29:33,049
who create AI generated images. Like, for example,

870
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:34,910
I have a friend who's created an entire

871
00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:37,289
tarot deck that is AI generated, and then

872
00:29:37,289 --> 00:29:38,890
he packages it and sells it. You know,

873
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:40,890
he prompted it until it got the look

874
00:29:40,890 --> 00:29:41,549
he wanted.

875
00:29:42,625 --> 00:29:43,904
Do you think it's it is as simple

876
00:29:43,904 --> 00:29:45,144
as just saying that's not art, or do

877
00:29:45,144 --> 00:29:46,544
you think that really does come down to

878
00:29:46,544 --> 00:29:48,464
just personal opinion, or do you feel strongly

879
00:29:48,464 --> 00:29:50,065
about it? No. I think it is as

880
00:29:50,065 --> 00:29:52,464
simple as that. That's not art. I definitely

881
00:29:52,464 --> 00:29:53,765
feel that way with music.

882
00:29:54,312 --> 00:29:56,400
Aesthetic class at university, so I know a

883
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,299
thing or two.

884
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Well, let me see what I learned in

885
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,279
that class is what the hell is art?

886
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:02,099
I don't know.

887
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,079
So don't take it from me, I guess,

888
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,640
is what I'm saying. Okay. But just generally

889
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,755
speaking on the AI subject, I do have

890
00:30:08,755 --> 00:30:10,795
my qualms, as you can see, about hate

891
00:30:11,035 --> 00:30:13,694
AI. Of course, it is wrong. It hallucinates.

892
00:30:14,075 --> 00:30:16,394
We know these problems. Right? But you or

893
00:30:16,394 --> 00:30:18,234
you can imagine, oh, that's just some, you

894
00:30:18,234 --> 00:30:20,654
know, bugs. They're gonna wrinkle out of this.

895
00:30:20,714 --> 00:30:22,575
Whatever. They'll they'll iron that out eventually.

896
00:30:23,849 --> 00:30:27,069
More importantly, it is making your brain atrophy.

897
00:30:28,329 --> 00:30:30,589
There there are already signs of the cognitive

898
00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:33,049
decline of the people who rely over rely

899
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:35,289
on AI for it to do their thinking

900
00:30:35,289 --> 00:30:35,950
for them.

901
00:30:36,734 --> 00:30:39,055
But okay. Yeah. Okay. Some people will take

902
00:30:39,055 --> 00:30:40,174
it too far. But as long as you

903
00:30:40,174 --> 00:30:42,174
know how to use it properly. Okay. So

904
00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:42,894
how about the,

905
00:30:43,454 --> 00:30:46,595
the controlled centralized nature of the AI implementations

906
00:30:46,654 --> 00:30:48,595
that most people use, the Grox, the ChatGPTs,

907
00:30:48,974 --> 00:30:49,474
etcetera.

908
00:30:50,069 --> 00:30:52,950
That obviously is a tool point for potential

909
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:55,109
censorship and control in the future. I think

910
00:30:55,109 --> 00:30:57,669
exactly as Whitney said, this is the carrot

911
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:59,849
phase. There will be a stick phase.

912
00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:02,149
And you know it's coming. A few years

913
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:03,289
from now, suddenly,

914
00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:05,734
oh, wow. This isn't as useful anymore. Now

915
00:31:05,734 --> 00:31:07,595
it's just telling me that all the propaganda

916
00:31:07,654 --> 00:31:08,154
stuff.

917
00:31:08,855 --> 00:31:10,775
But that can be countered like Hakim says,

918
00:31:10,775 --> 00:31:13,174
well, just run your own local implementation and

919
00:31:13,174 --> 00:31:14,615
make sure it's, you know, air gapped and

920
00:31:14,615 --> 00:31:16,230
don't don't connect it to the Internet. So

921
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:18,549
you've got your own as as Ernest Hancock

922
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:20,470
often says, I want Jarvis, not Siri, as

923
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:22,009
in I want my own personal

924
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:25,049
implementation of this decentralized off the grid.

925
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:26,490
Okay. Alright.

926
00:31:27,349 --> 00:31:30,265
Also, another problem with this, the only information

927
00:31:30,265 --> 00:31:34,025
that AI ever has is digital information that

928
00:31:34,025 --> 00:31:35,164
has been digitized.

929
00:31:35,465 --> 00:31:37,625
So all it knows is what is on

930
00:31:37,625 --> 00:31:39,305
the Internet or what has been pumped in

931
00:31:39,305 --> 00:31:42,125
through digital channels. It knows nothing about the

932
00:31:42,265 --> 00:31:44,700
actual real world that has not been digitized

933
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:46,700
yet. So that's kind of a a flaw.

934
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:48,700
But all of those things are you could

935
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:50,539
say, well, they'll get better at it. It'll

936
00:31:50,539 --> 00:31:53,359
be they'll refine it. But no. The fundamental

937
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,539
problem is what Whitney points at. This is

938
00:31:56,539 --> 00:31:57,440
an existential

939
00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:58,240
threat

940
00:31:58,644 --> 00:31:59,224
to humanity.

941
00:31:59,765 --> 00:32:02,404
We are going to lose what it means

942
00:32:02,404 --> 00:32:03,464
to be human

943
00:32:03,924 --> 00:32:06,585
the more we attach ourselves to these machine

944
00:32:06,724 --> 00:32:07,224
implementations.

945
00:32:07,684 --> 00:32:10,404
And it is not some easy step that

946
00:32:10,404 --> 00:32:12,005
I'm saying, oh, okay. So just don't use

947
00:32:12,005 --> 00:32:13,799
AI, and we'll all be fine. Because I

948
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,380
will admit, as Hakim was talking about there,

949
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200
you know, what's the difference between using Internet

950
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,279
for your research and using AI for your

951
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,279
research? Hey. Look at look at it this

952
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:25,579
way. I use Wikipedia.

953
00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:29,164
I use Wikipedia. Now how do I use

954
00:32:29,164 --> 00:32:31,484
Wikipedia? I go straight down to the references

955
00:32:31,484 --> 00:32:32,924
at the bottom and find the article that

956
00:32:32,924 --> 00:32:34,605
they're linking to and go read that and

957
00:32:34,605 --> 00:32:36,544
see what you know? I don't, obviously,

958
00:32:36,845 --> 00:32:38,224
I don't cite Wikipedia.

959
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,880
Honestly, the people who write those articles, AI

960
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,720
told me this, are like the people who

961
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,680
cite Wikipedia. Right? Like, no. You don't understand

962
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,920
how this works. Maybe you have a conversation,

963
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,440
and it tells you something. And you go

964
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,694
and find it independently, and you cite that.

965
00:32:52,855 --> 00:32:54,694
But now I use Wikipedia. So what's the

966
00:32:54,694 --> 00:32:57,335
difference between that and using chat gbt? Right?

967
00:32:57,335 --> 00:32:59,174
It's just a tool. I get there is

968
00:32:59,174 --> 00:33:01,414
definitely a murky line here, and none of

969
00:33:01,414 --> 00:33:03,414
you would know anything about me if it

970
00:33:03,414 --> 00:33:05,095
wasn't for the Internet and my use of

971
00:33:05,095 --> 00:33:07,390
this digital technology. So I'm not floating on

972
00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:08,910
a cloud here. I'm not saying there's an

973
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:10,990
easy answer. But I know where this is

974
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:13,170
heading. I know the path we're on. And

975
00:33:13,230 --> 00:33:15,070
I do not want to end up at

976
00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:17,070
that end path because we are birthing the

977
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:19,309
Silicon intelligence that will be the new life

978
00:33:19,309 --> 00:33:22,049
form that that, eclipses humanity.

979
00:33:22,805 --> 00:33:24,424
And I don't wanna live that nightmare.

980
00:33:24,964 --> 00:33:27,865
Thank you. One thing The the same way

981
00:33:28,005 --> 00:33:28,484
that,

982
00:33:28,805 --> 00:33:32,005
you know, the Internet itself is an extension

983
00:33:32,005 --> 00:33:33,924
of a pilot program from DARPA, and it

984
00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:35,924
stemmed from that, from ARPANET, and became that

985
00:33:35,924 --> 00:33:38,220
AI is an extension of that,

986
00:33:39,179 --> 00:33:39,679
especially

987
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:43,259
where, you know, Grok is concerned. XAI, which

988
00:33:43,259 --> 00:33:44,880
started out as a.

989
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:47,919
Owns Twitter now.

990
00:33:48,539 --> 00:33:50,940
Rex, whatever it is. You know? I mean,

991
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:54,265
it's so the there's no real pushback, Hakeem.

992
00:33:54,265 --> 00:33:55,644
It's just this is,

993
00:33:56,265 --> 00:33:58,904
you know, an evolution of that. And we're

994
00:33:59,065 --> 00:34:01,865
you know, the the convincing argument for a

995
00:34:01,865 --> 00:34:04,105
lot of people right now is use AI

996
00:34:04,105 --> 00:34:06,284
as your search engine. Well, if you're not

997
00:34:06,809 --> 00:34:09,369
double and triple checking and stuff like that,

998
00:34:09,369 --> 00:34:10,829
then you're doing it wrong.

999
00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:12,109
You know?

1000
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:13,389
And,

1001
00:34:13,769 --> 00:34:15,929
I mean, a bad carpenter always blames his

1002
00:34:15,929 --> 00:34:16,909
tools. Right?

1003
00:34:17,609 --> 00:34:19,469
Like, it's always the tool's fault,

1004
00:34:19,954 --> 00:34:22,514
but you are supposed to measure a couple

1005
00:34:22,514 --> 00:34:25,315
of times. You're you're supposed to actually do

1006
00:34:25,315 --> 00:34:27,335
the physical work yourself to

1007
00:34:27,715 --> 00:34:28,775
gain some certainty,

1008
00:34:29,394 --> 00:34:31,175
you know, to the best of your ability.

1009
00:34:31,394 --> 00:34:32,295
And that implies

1010
00:34:32,889 --> 00:34:35,369
you doing extra work if you're going to

1011
00:34:35,369 --> 00:34:35,869
use,

1012
00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:38,650
you know, AI as a search engine as

1013
00:34:38,650 --> 00:34:41,230
a jumping off point. I use it for

1014
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:42,989
background for thumbnails.

1015
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:46,265
And then I do, like, you know, a

1016
00:34:46,265 --> 00:34:48,925
handful of other layers of, you know, usually

1017
00:34:49,385 --> 00:34:51,565
trippy or silly shit,

1018
00:34:52,425 --> 00:34:53,244
but memorable.

1019
00:34:53,704 --> 00:34:54,204
And,

1020
00:34:55,864 --> 00:34:59,065
you know, it's you know, like, that that's

1021
00:34:59,065 --> 00:35:00,765
about the extent of

1022
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,619
how much I ever wanna use it.

1023
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,280
You know? And I have one one quick

1024
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,960
point on that about the picture just because

1025
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960
it's interesting about the copyright overlap that I'm

1026
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,639
dealing with. It's an interesting thing to think

1027
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:12,800
about. Right? The creating the images, which I

1028
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,400
thought about doing, Jason, because it it's an

1029
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,422
easy way to sidestep that argument, but that

1030
00:35:16,422 --> 00:35:18,213
also overlaps with the art point. You know?

1031
00:35:18,213 --> 00:35:20,005
It's it's an interesting point. Not that I

1032
00:35:20,005 --> 00:35:21,796
know which way to go with that, but

1033
00:35:21,796 --> 00:35:23,587
it's worth thinking about that you can create

1034
00:35:23,587 --> 00:35:25,602
the manufacture images that aren't necessarily art, that

1035
00:35:25,602 --> 00:35:27,617
don't nobody owns, that you can use, not

1036
00:35:27,617 --> 00:35:29,408
get copyrighted. And I'm sure they'll wind up

1037
00:35:29,408 --> 00:35:31,199
getting to some argument that you took Grok's

1038
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,880
AI image or something. You know what? It's

1039
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,400
interesting to think about. So go ahead, whoever

1040
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,320
wants to jump in next. Alright. I'll I'll

1041
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:36,960
go next.

1042
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,079
I I have used AI in the same

1043
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,000
way Jason and James have said. I I

1044
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:42,579
sometimes

1045
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,579
you just need a picture, and

1046
00:35:45,494 --> 00:35:47,815
you you you just need it, unfortunately. Even

1047
00:35:47,815 --> 00:35:49,894
if you sign up to proxy services and,

1048
00:35:50,214 --> 00:35:52,775
stock services like Adobe stock or whatever, half

1049
00:35:52,775 --> 00:35:54,775
the images in those stock libraries are AI

1050
00:35:54,775 --> 00:35:57,114
generated anyways. You're just using AI by proxy.

1051
00:35:57,949 --> 00:35:59,549
I would never it would never even occur

1052
00:35:59,549 --> 00:36:01,630
to me to use it for words because,

1053
00:36:01,630 --> 00:36:04,449
like, I'm precious about my words, I suppose.

1054
00:36:04,589 --> 00:36:05,789
But, like, coming at it from, like, a

1055
00:36:05,789 --> 00:36:07,469
writer's point of view, asking someone to write

1056
00:36:07,469 --> 00:36:09,409
it for you just makes me feel uncomfortable.

1057
00:36:10,429 --> 00:36:11,329
But I think

1058
00:36:12,515 --> 00:36:14,195
I think in some way, the more meta

1059
00:36:14,195 --> 00:36:16,515
conversation and more interesting conversation is is already

1060
00:36:16,515 --> 00:36:18,875
is becoming, as as somebody said earlier, a

1061
00:36:18,875 --> 00:36:21,974
a partisan issue. People have their pet AIs,

1062
00:36:22,114 --> 00:36:23,474
and they'll say, well, this AI is the

1063
00:36:23,474 --> 00:36:24,675
good AI and this is the one that

1064
00:36:24,675 --> 00:36:26,849
works. I ask Grok, and Grok tells me

1065
00:36:26,849 --> 00:36:28,289
this. And Grok tells me what I wanna

1066
00:36:28,289 --> 00:36:30,210
hear, all the will be chatty b t

1067
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:31,730
or will be the the Chinese one that

1068
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:33,170
was in the news a little while ago,

1069
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:33,989
deep something.

1070
00:36:36,049 --> 00:36:38,530
Everybody remember? It doesn't matter. Deep sea. Deep

1071
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:40,054
sea. But there will be a whole bunch

1072
00:36:40,054 --> 00:36:41,894
of people in the West who, like, celebrate

1073
00:36:41,894 --> 00:36:43,414
China. We'll say, well, the Chinese AI is

1074
00:36:43,414 --> 00:36:45,094
different. The Chinese AI will work differently. It

1075
00:36:45,094 --> 00:36:45,815
will be open. It will be

1076
00:36:46,734 --> 00:36:47,234
and

1077
00:36:47,654 --> 00:36:49,335
the already, that is forming the question of

1078
00:36:49,335 --> 00:36:51,014
which AI we use rather than should we

1079
00:36:51,014 --> 00:36:53,019
use it at all, which is already a

1080
00:36:53,019 --> 00:36:54,859
very dangerous they they always do it that

1081
00:36:54,859 --> 00:36:56,940
way. Which vaccine is the best? Which AI

1082
00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:57,760
is the best?

1083
00:36:58,139 --> 00:36:59,739
The the assumption is we're all going to

1084
00:36:59,739 --> 00:37:00,880
have to at some point.

1085
00:37:02,139 --> 00:37:03,659
But then, also, there is a question of

1086
00:37:03,659 --> 00:37:05,500
what qualifies as AI. Like, we're talking about

1087
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:07,199
the steep curve here, but, like,

1088
00:37:08,835 --> 00:37:11,315
my my computer's been automatically spell checking everything

1089
00:37:11,315 --> 00:37:12,855
I've written since I was a teenager.

1090
00:37:13,394 --> 00:37:14,534
I mean, that is technically

1091
00:37:15,235 --> 00:37:16,614
an AI there. And

1092
00:37:17,155 --> 00:37:19,494
but that has actually people's ability to spell.

1093
00:37:19,795 --> 00:37:20,929
And if you were if you were an

1094
00:37:20,929 --> 00:37:23,089
incredibly cruel person Then Grok, I would say.

1095
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:24,849
I'm not vetting it or, you know, vouching

1096
00:37:24,849 --> 00:37:26,529
for it or anything. But there are people

1097
00:37:26,529 --> 00:37:27,730
who are trying to do things like that.

1098
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:29,489
I've also seen friends. One of my friends

1099
00:37:29,489 --> 00:37:29,989
developed

1100
00:37:30,449 --> 00:37:32,049
an empathy bot as as he calls it.

1101
00:37:32,049 --> 00:37:34,309
It's an AI model that he fed nonviolent

1102
00:37:34,525 --> 00:37:35,025
communication

1103
00:37:35,405 --> 00:37:37,425
and all kinds of other, you know, communication

1104
00:37:37,485 --> 00:37:39,485
tools and use it for, like, a therapy

1105
00:37:39,485 --> 00:37:41,405
bot for people, which, again, I know some

1106
00:37:41,405 --> 00:37:43,005
people just feel like any use of it.

1107
00:37:43,005 --> 00:37:45,244
Anything that replaces a human is scary or

1108
00:37:45,244 --> 00:37:45,905
is weird.

1109
00:37:46,364 --> 00:37:47,969
I'm not necessarily taking a position, but I'm

1110
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:49,489
curious. Does anybody feel like there is a

1111
00:37:49,489 --> 00:37:51,590
positive use case besides the sort of functional

1112
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:54,710
methods we talked about here, translating things, transcribing,

1113
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:56,070
creating images,

1114
00:37:56,449 --> 00:37:59,030
or is it that we or you individually

1115
00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:59,909
feel like

1116
00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:02,405
stay away from it as much as possible?

1117
00:38:02,945 --> 00:38:04,305
I think what Patrick was saying in the

1118
00:38:04,305 --> 00:38:05,744
beginning, which again, I hope he does show

1119
00:38:05,744 --> 00:38:07,585
up was, like, I think his exact words

1120
00:38:07,585 --> 00:38:09,025
were you're gonna get left behind if you're

1121
00:38:09,025 --> 00:38:10,545
not using AI. Right? And so it's the

1122
00:38:10,545 --> 00:38:12,945
kind of argument which Elon Musk and others

1123
00:38:12,945 --> 00:38:14,545
use as well about certain things and say

1124
00:38:14,545 --> 00:38:16,800
we need to embrace it. Being left behind

1125
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,539
is actually

1126
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,079
beating the system that they're trying to trap

1127
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,000
us in. That could be true too. Why

1128
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:23,200
what if we don't wanna be a part

1129
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,400
of whatever they're building? I mean, which I

1130
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,099
don't think most of us here want. Right?

1131
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,160
Yeah. So just thoughts on How are you

1132
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,340
doing for the brain shit? I don't know.

1133
00:38:30,565 --> 00:38:32,324
I don't know. I wanna hear I wanna

1134
00:38:32,324 --> 00:38:33,765
hear her voice because you haven't been in

1135
00:38:33,765 --> 00:38:36,005
yet. But before sorry. I just wanna make

1136
00:38:36,005 --> 00:38:37,925
a stupid point related to what Kit just

1137
00:38:37,925 --> 00:38:40,164
said about the spell check thing. Because, actually,

1138
00:38:40,164 --> 00:38:41,925
I think it's a deep point. This the

1139
00:38:41,925 --> 00:38:43,844
red squiggly line tells you you've spelt it

1140
00:38:43,844 --> 00:38:46,610
wrong. But for some reason, that's always default

1141
00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:48,150
set to American spelling.

1142
00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:49,970
So it's always trying to tell me that

1143
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:51,910
there is no u in the word color.

1144
00:38:52,210 --> 00:38:53,970
I know there is a u in the

1145
00:38:53,970 --> 00:38:56,530
word color, unlike you uncreate It's biased. You

1146
00:38:56,530 --> 00:38:57,590
don't know how to spell.

1147
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:58,950
And so I,

1148
00:39:00,045 --> 00:39:02,844
eventually, over decades of this, I start to

1149
00:39:02,844 --> 00:39:03,344
forget.

1150
00:39:03,724 --> 00:39:04,625
Wait. Canceled

1151
00:39:05,164 --> 00:39:08,204
has two l's. Right? Right? It's not one

1152
00:39:08,204 --> 00:39:09,664
l like those silly American

1153
00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:11,804
or or wait. No. Maybe it doesn't. And

1154
00:39:11,804 --> 00:39:14,464
I start questioning myself. It's a stupid example,

1155
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:17,010
but it is an example of how this

1156
00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:19,809
can subtly change and manipulate your behavior over

1157
00:39:19,809 --> 00:39:22,210
long periods of time until you start thinking

1158
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:24,530
more like the machine than, like, a real

1159
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:26,150
human being, I e a Canadian.

1160
00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:28,784
Yeah. I I I guess I'll chime in.

1161
00:39:28,784 --> 00:39:30,465
I think you're both right. So I agree

1162
00:39:30,465 --> 00:39:31,605
with James that,

1163
00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:34,005
the end game is the evolution of man,

1164
00:39:34,144 --> 00:39:35,844
so this trajectory that we're on.

1165
00:39:36,144 --> 00:39:37,744
But on the other hand, it's like, I

1166
00:39:37,744 --> 00:39:39,425
don't feel the line in this hand has

1167
00:39:39,425 --> 00:39:41,445
been crossed because we're using DARPA Internet.

1168
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,039
You know, you you think of the search

1169
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:45,519
engines like Google, chat GBT is the next

1170
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,300
phase of the search engine. So,

1171
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,800
and I I kinda have a gorilla mindset

1172
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,140
that we kinda have to use whatever tools

1173
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,179
that we have.

1174
00:39:54,875 --> 00:39:56,155
So for for me

1175
00:39:56,554 --> 00:39:58,714
because the other alternative you guys already mentioned

1176
00:39:58,714 --> 00:40:00,155
is go live in the forest. You know,

1177
00:40:00,155 --> 00:40:01,514
go live in a homestead in a in

1178
00:40:01,514 --> 00:40:02,175
a analog,

1179
00:40:02,635 --> 00:40:04,815
sort of world. I'd like to do that.

1180
00:40:04,875 --> 00:40:06,730
I'm trying to, but it's, you know, it's

1181
00:40:06,730 --> 00:40:08,410
very it's very difficult. And so I think

1182
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:10,250
we just kinda gotta make do. But I

1183
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:12,170
think, eventually, maybe there will come a point

1184
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:13,849
where we reach where we reach that line

1185
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:15,289
in the sand as a collective or as

1186
00:40:15,289 --> 00:40:17,610
individuals. And, you know, it'll be different for

1187
00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:19,130
different people, and we'll say, you know, no.

1188
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:21,255
I'm not I'm not crossing that line. And

1189
00:40:21,255 --> 00:40:22,855
for me, the biggest threats when it comes

1190
00:40:22,855 --> 00:40:23,355
to,

1191
00:40:24,295 --> 00:40:26,135
AI is the dumbing down, which was already

1192
00:40:26,135 --> 00:40:28,214
mentioned. We're seeing it all over the place.

1193
00:40:28,214 --> 00:40:29,655
I had experience this week. I was a

1194
00:40:29,655 --> 00:40:30,795
guest on on a podcast.

1195
00:40:31,094 --> 00:40:32,474
Great people. Bless them.

1196
00:40:32,855 --> 00:40:34,855
But we had different time zones. They're US

1197
00:40:34,855 --> 00:40:37,650
central time, and Mexico Mexico no longer observes

1198
00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:40,070
daylight savings. So I'm on mountain time.

1199
00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:42,769
And they they they we were arguing. I

1200
00:40:42,769 --> 00:40:44,690
I told them twice. I'm like, it's a

1201
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:46,929
one hour time difference. And they showed me

1202
00:40:46,929 --> 00:40:49,730
a a snapshot of Brave Search AI, which

1203
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:51,795
was wrong. So Brave was wrong.

1204
00:40:52,094 --> 00:40:54,015
And I'm like, well, I mean, I think

1205
00:40:54,015 --> 00:40:55,375
I I know what time zone I live

1206
00:40:55,375 --> 00:40:56,735
in. You know? And so that was just

1207
00:40:56,735 --> 00:40:59,054
that was just a, a miniature example of

1208
00:40:59,054 --> 00:41:00,114
my my other,

1209
00:41:00,414 --> 00:41:02,355
big fear. You know, I I've talked,

1210
00:41:02,815 --> 00:41:04,735
on my podcast. I had Jost Landgrave on.

1211
00:41:04,735 --> 00:41:06,710
He's a German scientist, and he says he

1212
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:08,710
wrote a book on why AI will, why

1213
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:10,650
machines will never, rule the world.

1214
00:41:10,949 --> 00:41:12,309
And I I think I don't think that

1215
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:14,549
there's gonna be this sentience that AI receives,

1216
00:41:14,549 --> 00:41:15,670
but I think the biggest,

1217
00:41:15,989 --> 00:41:17,750
threat is what you guys have mentioned already

1218
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:19,429
is what I talk about a lot, the

1219
00:41:19,429 --> 00:41:21,684
social credit system, the algorithm ghetto. And so

1220
00:41:21,684 --> 00:41:23,525
it's just gonna be this tool that allows

1221
00:41:23,525 --> 00:41:25,224
them to bring in all this data,

1222
00:41:25,764 --> 00:41:28,344
sift through it for the digital ID systems,

1223
00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:30,025
for the digital passport system,

1224
00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:33,329
for the, weapon systems like Lavender, right, and

1225
00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:35,410
the spine that I I joke that's always

1226
00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:37,570
become, you know, becoming self aware. And so

1227
00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:38,930
I think that it's the that that's a

1228
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:41,010
big threat that ultimately allows them to sift

1229
00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:42,769
through the info that's gonna it's gonna be

1230
00:41:42,769 --> 00:41:43,010
used,

1231
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:46,050
against us. So yeah. Let me say this.

1232
00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:47,655
I I thought that that was the direction

1233
00:41:47,655 --> 00:41:48,934
we were gonna be in. I was gonna

1234
00:41:48,934 --> 00:41:51,515
be talking more about, for instance, Sam Altman

1235
00:41:51,815 --> 00:41:54,215
just moved the Worldcoin. You talk about social

1236
00:41:54,215 --> 00:41:57,494
credit scores, the blockchain project to The United

1237
00:41:57,494 --> 00:41:59,815
States, and they're launching in five different states.

1238
00:41:59,815 --> 00:42:02,559
They've also taken the Lochner like Orb, and

1239
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:04,559
they've made it into a cell phone like

1240
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:05,059
device.

1241
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,139
And they're they've also rebranded

1242
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,059
from just Worldcoin,

1243
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,819
now to WorldID.

1244
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:13,359
So they're really pushing that. But I wanna

1245
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:15,594
answer Derek's question. You know, he asked if

1246
00:42:15,594 --> 00:42:18,394
there's another positive thing that I think AI

1247
00:42:18,394 --> 00:42:19,594
can be used for. And I and I

1248
00:42:19,594 --> 00:42:20,575
gotta say yes.

1249
00:42:21,195 --> 00:42:22,175
I think parity

1250
00:42:22,555 --> 00:42:23,614
is a big thing,

1251
00:42:24,075 --> 00:42:26,335
because you don't have to have great production

1252
00:42:26,474 --> 00:42:28,869
value. Now this video hasn't gone viral, and

1253
00:42:28,869 --> 00:42:30,469
I don't think it's going to, again, because

1254
00:42:30,469 --> 00:42:31,289
of the algorithms.

1255
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:33,750
But somebody did a really good deep fake

1256
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:36,070
of Donny t, I think, when he was

1257
00:42:36,070 --> 00:42:36,570
announcing,

1258
00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:39,130
you know, the new European trade agreement.

1259
00:42:39,724 --> 00:42:42,765
Instead, it's him kicking off the smoking gun

1260
00:42:42,765 --> 00:42:43,664
of 911,

1261
00:42:44,445 --> 00:42:46,224
World Trade Center Building 7.

1262
00:42:46,525 --> 00:42:49,164
And then he talks about the passports and,

1263
00:42:49,164 --> 00:42:51,405
you know, five other big talking points. And

1264
00:42:51,405 --> 00:42:53,164
then, you know, it's the Alex Jones was

1265
00:42:53,164 --> 00:42:55,440
right jar at the end. But I think

1266
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,239
things like that are positive. Now you said

1267
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,639
music. I got two quick things on that.

1268
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:01,460
Number one,

1269
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,400
my parody song of the year is AI.

1270
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,800
It's I glued my balls to my butthole

1271
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,300
again.

1272
00:43:07,605 --> 00:43:10,804
Fantastic track. Can't recommend it enough. Please go

1273
00:43:10,804 --> 00:43:13,204
check it out after this. I I'm sorry.

1274
00:43:13,204 --> 00:43:13,945
It's real.

1275
00:43:14,405 --> 00:43:15,545
When we talk about

1276
00:43:15,844 --> 00:43:18,565
another type of AI driven music, here's an

1277
00:43:18,565 --> 00:43:20,565
even more bizarre story if you thought I

1278
00:43:20,565 --> 00:43:23,340
was gonna kick that one out. So there's

1279
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:25,760
this gentleman who was a really experimental

1280
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:26,720
instrumentalist

1281
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:30,320
and orchestra guy. In 1965,

1282
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:31,760
in front of a live audience,

1283
00:43:32,059 --> 00:43:33,980
he hooked electrodes up to his brain and

1284
00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:35,519
ran a full orchestra then.

1285
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:36,880
He's been dead

1286
00:43:37,235 --> 00:43:38,515
for about four years. You can go watch

1287
00:43:38,515 --> 00:43:39,795
the video. I forget what his name is.

1288
00:43:39,795 --> 00:43:42,034
It's I think it's Alexander Lucius or something

1289
00:43:42,034 --> 00:43:43,715
like that. Go watch my video on it,

1290
00:43:43,715 --> 00:43:45,094
or I'll email it to you.

1291
00:43:45,635 --> 00:43:47,255
Just two weeks ago,

1292
00:43:47,715 --> 00:43:49,795
they did an art show where they had

1293
00:43:49,795 --> 00:43:52,215
taken his stem cells before he died.

1294
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:53,860
They had built organoids

1295
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,599
out of them. For those that don't know

1296
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,699
what organoids are, they are artificial

1297
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,579
brain content from your genetic material.

1298
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:03,539
They hooked them into some type of electronic

1299
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:04,099
device,

1300
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,539
and he posthumanously

1301
00:44:07,535 --> 00:44:08,035
conducted

1302
00:44:08,414 --> 00:44:11,875
a new live musical performance from those organoids.

1303
00:44:12,255 --> 00:44:14,515
Now, obviously, I don't think that's him.

1304
00:44:14,894 --> 00:44:16,115
I think that's transhumanism

1305
00:44:16,494 --> 00:44:17,555
in the other direction,

1306
00:44:17,855 --> 00:44:19,155
kind of accepting

1307
00:44:19,454 --> 00:44:21,970
more and more of the merger between machine

1308
00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:23,590
and man through our genetics

1309
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:25,970
and kind of lessening what we are as

1310
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:26,470
humanity

1311
00:44:26,849 --> 00:44:28,610
from the other side as well. So I

1312
00:44:28,610 --> 00:44:30,210
just had to throw that in there, and

1313
00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:32,210
anyone can take it from here. Well, I

1314
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:34,390
I wanna hear from you. Soon. Yeah. Yeah.

1315
00:44:35,704 --> 00:44:36,364
Thank you.

1316
00:44:37,065 --> 00:44:38,585
Yeah. So I wanna bring up,

1317
00:44:39,465 --> 00:44:42,744
the argument that initially was was, forwarded by

1318
00:44:42,744 --> 00:44:44,664
by Hakeem about, you know, we're here on

1319
00:44:44,664 --> 00:44:45,324
the Internet.

1320
00:44:45,625 --> 00:44:47,965
So I personally think all of these technologies

1321
00:44:49,150 --> 00:44:50,989
that have at their inception some sort of

1322
00:44:50,989 --> 00:44:54,130
national security state component that have become widely

1323
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:54,690
adopted

1324
00:44:55,389 --> 00:44:57,469
have a carrot and a stick phase. And

1325
00:44:57,469 --> 00:44:59,550
I think the Internet has had a very

1326
00:44:59,550 --> 00:45:01,644
long carrot phase. But if you go and

1327
00:45:01,644 --> 00:45:03,565
look at the the origins really of the

1328
00:45:03,565 --> 00:45:05,085
Internet in the nineties, it was a lot

1329
00:45:05,085 --> 00:45:06,304
of framing it as

1330
00:45:07,085 --> 00:45:07,585
decentralized

1331
00:45:08,525 --> 00:45:10,364
and all of this and getting people on

1332
00:45:10,364 --> 00:45:12,125
it, getting people to trust it and become

1333
00:45:12,125 --> 00:45:13,585
dependent on it, which now

1334
00:45:13,929 --> 00:45:14,590
the world

1335
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:16,269
is, especially economically.

1336
00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:18,489
And then you, you know, oh, you want

1337
00:45:18,489 --> 00:45:20,010
access to the Internet? You have to use

1338
00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:22,030
our digital ID system or our,

1339
00:45:22,489 --> 00:45:25,309
you know, our programmable surveyable money system, etcetera.

1340
00:45:25,449 --> 00:45:27,369
Like, that is the stick that we all

1341
00:45:27,369 --> 00:45:28,809
kind of know is going to come at

1342
00:45:28,809 --> 00:45:31,184
some point. Right? Because it's centralized through the

1343
00:45:31,184 --> 00:45:33,125
ISP. So you want access to the Internet,

1344
00:45:33,265 --> 00:45:34,865
you have to go through an ISP, and

1345
00:45:34,865 --> 00:45:35,445
how many

1346
00:45:35,744 --> 00:45:36,244
meaningfully

1347
00:45:37,505 --> 00:45:38,005
decentralized

1348
00:45:38,385 --> 00:45:41,744
freedom loving ISPs are there? Well, not many.

1349
00:45:41,744 --> 00:45:43,679
And for places that didn't really have access

1350
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,519
to an ISP before, they're all being herded

1351
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:46,019
onto,

1352
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,059
Starlink, which is basically an extension

1353
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,219
of the US military. Right?

1354
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:53,920
And so I think, you know, in addition

1355
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,519
to that being the case for AI, I

1356
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:57,219
think it was true for things like Bitcoin,

1357
00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:58,659
which was framed as

1358
00:45:59,005 --> 00:45:59,505
initially

1359
00:45:59,804 --> 00:46:00,304
decentralized

1360
00:46:01,005 --> 00:46:03,324
freedom money. Did it have that potential just

1361
00:46:03,324 --> 00:46:05,324
as the Internet had that potential at one

1362
00:46:05,324 --> 00:46:05,824
point?

1363
00:46:06,445 --> 00:46:08,764
Sure. But now it's being herded into not

1364
00:46:08,764 --> 00:46:10,525
being a medium of exchange, which is the

1365
00:46:10,525 --> 00:46:12,570
only use case in my opinion that would

1366
00:46:12,570 --> 00:46:14,410
allow it to be any sort of freedom

1367
00:46:14,410 --> 00:46:14,910
money.

1368
00:46:15,610 --> 00:46:18,969
And it's moving into, you know, strategic reserve

1369
00:46:18,969 --> 00:46:19,869
asset for,

1370
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:23,230
Larry Fink and, you know, the oligarchy.

1371
00:46:24,775 --> 00:46:26,695
And combining it with stablecoins and all of

1372
00:46:26,695 --> 00:46:27,835
that makes it an Orwellian

1373
00:46:28,295 --> 00:46:30,155
system that's no good. So,

1374
00:46:30,614 --> 00:46:32,155
at least no good for freedom,

1375
00:46:32,614 --> 00:46:34,054
depends on who you're talking about, I guess.

1376
00:46:34,054 --> 00:46:35,894
And so I think AI is ultimately going

1377
00:46:35,894 --> 00:46:37,829
to go in that same direction. Are there

1378
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:38,329
decentralized

1379
00:46:38,869 --> 00:46:41,289
AI companies now that are small little

1380
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:43,050
guys? Sure. But at some point,

1381
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:45,590
you know, the big guys are gonna take

1382
00:46:45,590 --> 00:46:48,390
the cake. Right? Because AI is only as

1383
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:50,070
good as the data it has access to

1384
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:52,315
and it trains on. Who can afford to

1385
00:46:52,315 --> 00:46:54,494
have access to the big troves of data?

1386
00:46:55,594 --> 00:46:57,515
You know, the people who really teamed up

1387
00:46:57,515 --> 00:46:58,815
with the state that hoovers

1388
00:46:59,195 --> 00:47:01,375
all of that data up about us consistently.

1389
00:47:02,474 --> 00:47:03,295
And I think,

1390
00:47:05,429 --> 00:47:07,670
a lot of it, just I also wanna

1391
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:09,589
bring back my point that I made much

1392
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:10,409
earlier on,

1393
00:47:10,789 --> 00:47:12,569
about how a lot of these incentives

1394
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:15,690
of the algorithm as independent media creators

1395
00:47:15,989 --> 00:47:16,309
have,

1396
00:47:18,195 --> 00:47:21,155
changed us maybe compared to when we started

1397
00:47:21,155 --> 00:47:23,155
independent media. You know, for some of that,

1398
00:47:23,155 --> 00:47:24,055
that was about,

1399
00:47:24,594 --> 00:47:26,614
you know, a decade ago or so.

1400
00:47:27,235 --> 00:47:28,755
And, you know, for me and I can

1401
00:47:28,755 --> 00:47:30,755
only re really talk about my case, but,

1402
00:47:30,755 --> 00:47:32,670
you know, I've always my interest is

1403
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:35,549
I'd like to I have content that I

1404
00:47:35,549 --> 00:47:37,309
am interested in writing about. I wanna put

1405
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:40,049
it out. I'm not a fast content person.

1406
00:47:40,269 --> 00:47:42,289
I put out stories when I have them.

1407
00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:44,190
Sometimes, like, lately, I've had to do a

1408
00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:45,329
lot of kids stuff,

1409
00:47:45,789 --> 00:47:47,569
so I haven't been writing as much.

1410
00:47:47,994 --> 00:47:50,074
But, you know, I don't, personally have to

1411
00:47:50,074 --> 00:47:51,675
put out a thing every day or every

1412
00:47:51,675 --> 00:47:53,295
week like a lot of people do.

1413
00:47:54,315 --> 00:47:56,574
And so, you know, I'm a little delinked,

1414
00:47:56,635 --> 00:47:58,554
I guess, from some of those incentives, but

1415
00:47:58,554 --> 00:48:00,329
people that have them, you know, there can

1416
00:48:00,329 --> 00:48:02,250
be a pressure to talk about certain topics

1417
00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:04,510
that they feel like everyone is talking about

1418
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:05,230
or

1419
00:48:07,289 --> 00:48:07,789
incentivize

1420
00:48:08,250 --> 00:48:08,690
to,

1421
00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:10,590
you know, respond to,

1422
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:14,184
negative comments or or get involved in online

1423
00:48:14,184 --> 00:48:16,025
drama and all of this. And I think

1424
00:48:16,025 --> 00:48:18,344
a lot of the way social media has

1425
00:48:18,344 --> 00:48:18,844
developed,

1426
00:48:19,704 --> 00:48:22,264
recently and the censorship stuff that's happened, there's,

1427
00:48:22,264 --> 00:48:24,105
like, conversations that need to be had that

1428
00:48:24,105 --> 00:48:26,525
haven't been had. Like, I think inevitably

1429
00:48:26,905 --> 00:48:29,739
platform hopping, which has been, like, the independent

1430
00:48:29,739 --> 00:48:31,760
media response to the is

1431
00:48:32,699 --> 00:48:34,079
eventually, it's a dead end.

1432
00:48:35,019 --> 00:48:36,779
You know, because, you know, originally, it was

1433
00:48:36,779 --> 00:48:38,219
like, oh, we're gonna go from YouTube to

1434
00:48:38,219 --> 00:48:41,099
rumble. Oh, the rumble that, like, JD Vance

1435
00:48:41,099 --> 00:48:43,500
invests in and Peter Thiel invests in and,

1436
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,434
like, the whole Palantir crowd has the data

1437
00:48:47,055 --> 00:48:48,195
of so much better.

1438
00:48:48,494 --> 00:48:50,894
Right, guys? So, I mean, eventually, you know,

1439
00:48:50,894 --> 00:48:52,894
I'm not saying there aren't good platforms, but,

1440
00:48:52,894 --> 00:48:54,494
you know, we saw it with Gab several

1441
00:48:54,494 --> 00:48:56,414
years ago. They pulled it out by the

1442
00:48:56,414 --> 00:48:57,555
roots, by the DNS.

1443
00:48:57,929 --> 00:48:59,530
And, ultimately, you know, a lot of that

1444
00:48:59,530 --> 00:49:00,349
can be done

1445
00:49:00,889 --> 00:49:03,530
to anything digital. So, you know, I'm working

1446
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:05,769
on putting all of my stuff in physical

1447
00:49:05,769 --> 00:49:08,109
form because I really think physical media,

1448
00:49:08,969 --> 00:49:11,050
is the future, something people can read and

1449
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:13,905
hold, and they can't just, like, remotely censor

1450
00:49:13,905 --> 00:49:16,005
it or cut it off from people.

1451
00:49:16,785 --> 00:49:18,244
Well, I would love to Obviously

1452
00:49:18,545 --> 00:49:19,925
Mhmm. Sorry. Go ahead. No. Please.

1453
00:49:20,465 --> 00:49:22,065
Well, I I just have to go in,

1454
00:49:22,065 --> 00:49:23,765
like, four minutes. But Okay.

1455
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:28,180
I lost my train of thought there. But,

1456
00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:29,000
yeah, basically

1457
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:31,940
sorry. No. I was gonna ask your opinion

1458
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:32,980
on something. Go ahead. If you had more

1459
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:34,340
thoughts. No. No. No. It's all good. It's

1460
00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:35,619
all good. I was just gonna see if

1461
00:49:35,619 --> 00:49:37,140
you want to speak before you leave on

1462
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,568
the the idea of whether AI you've spoke

1463
00:49:39,621 --> 00:49:41,195
you've spoken in the past about whether you

1464
00:49:41,195 --> 00:49:43,675
think it's ever actually able to reach sentience

1465
00:49:43,675 --> 00:49:44,954
or whether to lie about that. Like, Schmidt

1466
00:49:44,954 --> 00:49:46,954
will Yeah. I know. You know, I wonder

1467
00:49:46,954 --> 00:49:48,394
if people that's something important part of the

1468
00:49:48,394 --> 00:49:50,235
conversation whether they feign that they reach something

1469
00:49:50,235 --> 00:49:51,994
and people then trust it more. Well, that's

1470
00:49:51,994 --> 00:49:53,934
what they'll do. They'll feign it's sentient,

1471
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:56,619
because basically, I think everyone should read that

1472
00:49:56,619 --> 00:49:58,619
Kissinger Schmidt book on AI. It's like their

1473
00:49:58,619 --> 00:50:00,940
roadmap to what they plan to do. And

1474
00:50:00,940 --> 00:50:03,260
they basically say, a you know, the way

1475
00:50:03,260 --> 00:50:04,880
AI revolutionized revolutionizes

1476
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:07,019
society will end up end in one of

1477
00:50:07,019 --> 00:50:07,760
two ways.

1478
00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:11,135
The peasants will revolt against the oligarchy, basically.

1479
00:50:11,135 --> 00:50:13,474
They use different words, or a new religion

1480
00:50:13,535 --> 00:50:15,454
will be made. Which one do you think

1481
00:50:15,454 --> 00:50:17,155
Kissinger and and Eric Schmidt,

1482
00:50:17,614 --> 00:50:19,715
would prefer out of those two outposts?

1483
00:50:20,094 --> 00:50:22,494
Revolt is a possibility, though. That's still in

1484
00:50:22,494 --> 00:50:24,139
there. And I would just love if this

1485
00:50:24,139 --> 00:50:25,619
would you're on to, just to address some

1486
00:50:25,619 --> 00:50:27,559
of what you mentioned since you mentioned me.

1487
00:50:27,699 --> 00:50:30,099
So it's the, the, the long carrot phase,

1488
00:50:30,099 --> 00:50:31,320
super long carrot phase.

1489
00:50:31,699 --> 00:50:34,019
I agree. I see where this direction is

1490
00:50:34,019 --> 00:50:37,239
going. We don't really have reliable, decentralized internet.

1491
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:39,465
Maybe it's going to happen. Maybe it's not

1492
00:50:39,545 --> 00:50:41,545
It's a small chance. But the question is,

1493
00:50:41,545 --> 00:50:43,864
was there any good that came out of

1494
00:50:43,864 --> 00:50:45,625
having the Internet at all? I'd say that

1495
00:50:45,625 --> 00:50:46,684
there was a pretty

1496
00:50:46,985 --> 00:50:48,425
large amount of good. I mean, for my

1497
00:50:48,425 --> 00:50:50,985
own personal journey when being, you know, exposed

1498
00:50:50,985 --> 00:50:53,065
to things like the military industrial complex and

1499
00:50:53,065 --> 00:50:56,449
then researching that on websites like whale.two,

1500
00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:58,429
which is super, super old, but had all

1501
00:50:58,429 --> 00:51:00,190
these things that I could look into. And

1502
00:51:00,190 --> 00:51:02,989
then, you know, reading reportage and and seeing

1503
00:51:02,989 --> 00:51:05,309
James' experience with the Internet, I think there

1504
00:51:05,309 --> 00:51:06,989
was a ton of good that came out

1505
00:51:06,989 --> 00:51:08,690
of the Internet. And I'll kind of reemphasize

1506
00:51:08,829 --> 00:51:12,074
this point. Sometimes weapons are developed that even

1507
00:51:12,074 --> 00:51:13,914
these powers that wish they would be, they

1508
00:51:13,914 --> 00:51:16,315
don't know where it's actually going. Just like

1509
00:51:16,315 --> 00:51:18,414
the MK Ultra LSD experiments.

1510
00:51:18,715 --> 00:51:20,655
That's just kind of my opinion on that,

1511
00:51:20,715 --> 00:51:23,355
right? That they don't know how they actually

1512
00:51:23,355 --> 00:51:24,894
end up impacting society.

1513
00:51:25,489 --> 00:51:27,650
And I think that, I think that the

1514
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:30,389
case is much stronger with internet that it's

1515
00:51:30,449 --> 00:51:33,329
a net good than AI. I definitely agree.

1516
00:51:33,329 --> 00:51:34,710
I don't really see any

1517
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:38,289
super strong benefits on a societal level to

1518
00:51:38,289 --> 00:51:38,789
AI.

1519
00:51:39,114 --> 00:51:40,414
Just these small

1520
00:51:40,715 --> 00:51:43,275
personal things of work that we don't like

1521
00:51:43,275 --> 00:51:45,675
doing, we're not specialized at. So AI can

1522
00:51:45,675 --> 00:51:47,755
help improve our output. But like you said,

1523
00:51:47,755 --> 00:51:49,215
you know, if you're an investigative

1524
00:51:49,515 --> 00:51:50,015
journalist,

1525
00:51:50,474 --> 00:51:52,840
you really shouldn't be using AI for research.

1526
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,500
I personally don't use AI for my writing.

1527
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:58,039
I've used it for things like grammar and

1528
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,760
just small things. But the real research comes

1529
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,260
from

1530
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,719
your hunch on a story and digging deep

1531
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,400
in parts of the internet. It's kind of

1532
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,824
like making a craft

1533
00:52:07,864 --> 00:52:09,005
a really nice,

1534
00:52:09,704 --> 00:52:10,605
craft good

1535
00:52:10,905 --> 00:52:13,864
versus pumping something out that's industrialized. I'm not

1536
00:52:13,864 --> 00:52:15,464
here to make AI slop. I'm here to

1537
00:52:15,464 --> 00:52:17,464
make articles that stand the test of time.

1538
00:52:17,464 --> 00:52:19,949
So I think everyone in this chat shouldn't

1539
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:22,090
be using AI, right, because they wanna make

1540
00:52:22,090 --> 00:52:22,590
quality.

1541
00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:24,190
But I still am gonna

1542
00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:27,150
hold on to the optimist feature of, hey,

1543
00:52:27,449 --> 00:52:29,530
find a way to run AI at home.

1544
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:32,349
Like James mentioned earlier, and you mentioned Whitney,

1545
00:52:32,574 --> 00:52:34,414
the data that it's fed on is not

1546
00:52:34,574 --> 00:52:36,114
it's it's just not even comparable

1547
00:52:36,494 --> 00:52:38,094
to the amount of data out there. And

1548
00:52:38,094 --> 00:52:39,795
we've got to come up with different solutions.

1549
00:52:40,335 --> 00:52:42,735
I, I people might have different opinions on

1550
00:52:42,735 --> 00:52:44,494
them, but, you know, there's people like Mike

1551
00:52:44,494 --> 00:52:47,090
Adams is Brydie and AI, and he fed

1552
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:48,530
his AI. It's called

1553
00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:51,470
a bio mistral on a bunch of survival

1554
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:53,090
books on a bunch of natural,

1555
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:54,849
not natural health resources.

1556
00:52:55,470 --> 00:52:57,230
And it does a, it does an okay

1557
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:58,750
job. You're like, I have a cut on

1558
00:52:58,750 --> 00:53:01,065
my hand and it's like, okay, use comfrey,

1559
00:53:01,125 --> 00:53:02,885
you know, use all these different herbs. It's

1560
00:53:02,885 --> 00:53:04,965
a good starting point. And of course you

1561
00:53:04,965 --> 00:53:06,244
need to be able to cite it and

1562
00:53:06,244 --> 00:53:08,105
be able to go to the primary source.

1563
00:53:08,244 --> 00:53:10,244
But I still hold out, because there are

1564
00:53:10,244 --> 00:53:13,139
different AI models that can cite things. But

1565
00:53:13,139 --> 00:53:15,800
long story short, I think that cloud hosted

1566
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:17,859
AI is, is evil for lack of a

1567
00:53:17,859 --> 00:53:20,179
better word. I completely agree with you. I

1568
00:53:20,179 --> 00:53:21,859
think as the stick is coming and it's

1569
00:53:21,859 --> 00:53:24,500
coming soon, I think that people are, their

1570
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,464
minds are, they're kind of becoming more narrow

1571
00:53:27,464 --> 00:53:30,684
from using it, and there's a pretty steep

1572
00:53:32,025 --> 00:53:33,324
upside to using AI.

1573
00:53:34,424 --> 00:53:36,664
Again, as a technologist, it makes my my

1574
00:53:36,664 --> 00:53:38,824
life easier in in small ways, but I

1575
00:53:38,824 --> 00:53:40,025
don't know if that's worth it on a

1576
00:53:40,025 --> 00:53:40,844
large scale.

1577
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:44,070
Anything else, Whitney, before you head out? Yeah.

1578
00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:46,010
Well, Ryan asked me about Sentience.

1579
00:53:46,550 --> 00:53:48,630
I've said for a long time and well,

1580
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:50,389
oh, yeah. I already did answer that. Sorry.

1581
00:53:50,389 --> 00:53:50,869
I've,

1582
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:53,269
had a head cold for, like, two weeks.

1583
00:53:53,269 --> 00:53:55,769
So Sentience, I'm gonna be remembering stuff

1584
00:53:57,094 --> 00:53:59,655
Anyway yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, basically, you know,

1585
00:53:59,655 --> 00:54:02,394
if people want obviously, like you said, Hakim,

1586
00:54:02,454 --> 00:54:04,054
the stick phase will come. We all know

1587
00:54:04,054 --> 00:54:04,795
it's coming.

1588
00:54:05,094 --> 00:54:07,114
How do we mitigate that,

1589
00:54:07,815 --> 00:54:08,855
and how do we,

1590
00:54:09,335 --> 00:54:09,835
plan

1591
00:54:10,135 --> 00:54:11,034
for the future?

1592
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:13,760
I think we can no longer fully rely

1593
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:17,099
on digital alternatives exclusively, which is what independent

1594
00:54:17,099 --> 00:54:19,820
media has largely done, like platform hopping as

1595
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:20,480
an example.

1596
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:23,340
I also think the risk benefit to using

1597
00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:26,219
large platforms like Twitter have changed given the

1598
00:54:26,219 --> 00:54:28,214
fact that, like, it's owned by the Grok

1599
00:54:28,214 --> 00:54:28,714
company

1600
00:54:29,014 --> 00:54:31,255
and the extensive ties of the national security

1601
00:54:31,255 --> 00:54:31,755
state,

1602
00:54:32,375 --> 00:54:34,454
which is the stick face of that will

1603
00:54:34,454 --> 00:54:35,434
be very nasty.

1604
00:54:37,335 --> 00:54:37,835
Palantir,

1605
00:54:38,454 --> 00:54:40,110
which is like, you know, has all the

1606
00:54:40,110 --> 00:54:41,950
stuff about it. Oh, they're like, all these

1607
00:54:41,950 --> 00:54:45,010
edge lords love Palantir and Curtis Yarvin,

1608
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:48,530
whatever. So, like, Palantir was always planned

1609
00:54:49,070 --> 00:54:51,150
to be for domestic control in The US.

1610
00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:52,930
That's what it was designed to do.

1611
00:54:53,230 --> 00:54:55,650
It's used abroad to murder people

1612
00:54:56,164 --> 00:54:58,244
based it it generates AI kill list for

1613
00:54:58,244 --> 00:54:59,864
the IDF that will eventually

1614
00:55:00,324 --> 00:55:01,844
they could use that anywhere they want, and

1615
00:55:01,844 --> 00:55:03,065
that includes domestically.

1616
00:55:03,525 --> 00:55:04,824
We should not be supporting

1617
00:55:05,284 --> 00:55:08,005
any platform like that. And the argument for

1618
00:55:08,005 --> 00:55:08,824
a long time

1619
00:55:09,819 --> 00:55:11,359
was we can reach new people

1620
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:13,900
on these platforms. I don't think that's true

1621
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:16,000
on Twitter anymore. It's a two tier system.

1622
00:55:16,139 --> 00:55:17,739
In my case, I was given a blue

1623
00:55:17,739 --> 00:55:19,739
check without wanting it because of having a

1624
00:55:19,739 --> 00:55:21,039
high follower count,

1625
00:55:21,659 --> 00:55:23,679
but everyone else has to pay to play.

1626
00:55:24,224 --> 00:55:25,825
You don't know if people are actually seeing

1627
00:55:25,825 --> 00:55:26,565
your stuff.

1628
00:55:27,025 --> 00:55:28,945
It it's run by an a I I

1629
00:55:29,105 --> 00:55:29,845
AI company,

1630
00:55:30,385 --> 00:55:32,704
bot armies and bots. I just have free

1631
00:55:32,704 --> 00:55:34,625
reign. We don't and his goal is to

1632
00:55:34,625 --> 00:55:36,085
verify all real humans,

1633
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:38,179
which means you have to link your ID

1634
00:55:38,179 --> 00:55:40,019
to it at some point. We have to

1635
00:55:40,019 --> 00:55:41,859
really talk about the red line for using

1636
00:55:41,859 --> 00:55:43,699
that. At some point, it is very different

1637
00:55:43,699 --> 00:55:45,159
than it was a few years ago.

1638
00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:48,659
You know, I have, like, scheduled posts on

1639
00:55:48,659 --> 00:55:50,474
it, I guess, of, like, we have a

1640
00:55:50,474 --> 00:55:52,875
newsletter out in articles because it's really the

1641
00:55:52,875 --> 00:55:55,114
only platform where I can really distribute stuff

1642
00:55:55,114 --> 00:55:57,434
right now, unfortunately. But I'm making an effort

1643
00:55:57,434 --> 00:55:59,514
to move into physical media, but I don't

1644
00:55:59,514 --> 00:56:01,214
really want to be part of the discourse

1645
00:56:01,355 --> 00:56:03,295
on that anymore. I think we need to

1646
00:56:03,849 --> 00:56:06,089
collectively push discourse off of that. I mean,

1647
00:56:06,089 --> 00:56:07,929
Grok is an extension of the state at

1648
00:56:07,929 --> 00:56:08,589
this point.

1649
00:56:09,050 --> 00:56:10,889
And I don't really have any intention of

1650
00:56:10,889 --> 00:56:13,369
supporting it, and you're passively supporting it if

1651
00:56:13,369 --> 00:56:16,349
you're, you know, tweeting 50 times a day,

1652
00:56:16,844 --> 00:56:17,585
quite frankly.

1653
00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:19,965
So I think there really needs to be

1654
00:56:19,965 --> 00:56:21,804
a discussion about that at some point and

1655
00:56:21,804 --> 00:56:23,405
that we need to talk about what we

1656
00:56:23,405 --> 00:56:24,844
do in the physical. You know, in my

1657
00:56:24,844 --> 00:56:27,025
case, you know, considering making a a magazine

1658
00:56:27,164 --> 00:56:27,985
at some point,

1659
00:56:28,525 --> 00:56:30,329
in the near future, but there's other ways

1660
00:56:30,329 --> 00:56:33,049
to do that. Physical gatherings of people. We

1661
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:35,210
cannot neglect the physical in favor of the

1662
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:37,150
digital. We cannot be exclusively,

1663
00:56:38,889 --> 00:56:40,190
a digital movement.

1664
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:42,569
Yeah. Which is what it's called. For all

1665
00:56:42,569 --> 00:56:43,230
that, Whitney.

1666
00:56:43,795 --> 00:56:45,155
Yeah. I mean, I just I wanna pick

1667
00:56:45,155 --> 00:56:46,835
up on that thread real quick. Thanks for

1668
00:56:46,835 --> 00:56:49,094
being here with us and and, yeah, hopefully,

1669
00:56:49,235 --> 00:56:50,534
join on the next one.

1670
00:56:50,914 --> 00:56:53,074
Just on that thread of physical media, I

1671
00:56:53,074 --> 00:56:55,315
mean, James, you're obviously promoting your new book.

1672
00:56:55,554 --> 00:56:57,235
I've written some books. I know others here

1673
00:56:57,235 --> 00:56:59,410
in the group have. And I've given thought

1674
00:56:59,410 --> 00:57:00,849
to that as well. Like Whitney's talking about

1675
00:57:00,849 --> 00:57:03,429
whether it's like a physical newsletter, newspaper.

1676
00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:05,890
In some ways, these things obviously are a

1677
00:57:05,890 --> 00:57:08,130
dying breed. We're seeing the mainstream die out,

1678
00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:11,090
physical newspapers and even local free papers that

1679
00:57:11,090 --> 00:57:12,885
you would get on a weekly basis that

1680
00:57:12,885 --> 00:57:14,164
told you what was coming up in your

1681
00:57:14,164 --> 00:57:16,164
local area. But I do still think there's

1682
00:57:16,164 --> 00:57:18,324
value to that and also what Whitney said

1683
00:57:18,324 --> 00:57:20,344
about having in person events.

1684
00:57:20,805 --> 00:57:22,324
Most of you here know that I host

1685
00:57:22,324 --> 00:57:24,025
an event every year in Mexico.

1686
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:26,920
I know Ryan's hosted events. Steve hosted events.

1687
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,920
Others like there's so much value to getting

1688
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,440
in person. Jason, you and I have done

1689
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,519
in person events. Like there's such a big

1690
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:34,280
thing that has gained when we are in

1691
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,880
person face to face with people on a

1692
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,105
level that I don't think The digital can

1693
00:57:38,105 --> 00:57:40,025
do. Obviously you can get a viral video

1694
00:57:40,025 --> 00:57:42,105
and reach millions or at least get a

1695
00:57:42,105 --> 00:57:42,605
million

1696
00:57:42,905 --> 00:57:44,744
counts. Who knows how many people you touched

1697
00:57:44,744 --> 00:57:46,025
on a deeper level, but I know when

1698
00:57:46,025 --> 00:57:47,304
you're face to face with a person, there

1699
00:57:47,304 --> 00:57:49,304
is an opportunity to really connect on like

1700
00:57:49,304 --> 00:57:50,364
a human level.

1701
00:57:50,769 --> 00:57:52,390
And we all know how important that is.

1702
00:57:52,610 --> 00:57:54,289
And those are some of the most valuable

1703
00:57:54,289 --> 00:57:56,289
experiences I've had in all of the years

1704
00:57:56,289 --> 00:57:57,970
of work I've been doing this. And also

1705
00:57:57,970 --> 00:57:59,970
I think because my background was started as

1706
00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:02,130
an activist printing out flyers, like every weekend

1707
00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:04,210
we would go downtown to whatever festival is

1708
00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:05,824
happening and a group of five or 10

1709
00:58:05,824 --> 00:58:08,224
of us would have flyers about fluoride or

1710
00:58:08,224 --> 00:58:10,164
surveillance or this thing or that thing.

1711
00:58:10,944 --> 00:58:12,144
And I don't know. That's just part of

1712
00:58:12,144 --> 00:58:13,585
my passion. I enjoy doing that. I get

1713
00:58:13,664 --> 00:58:15,505
enjoy getting on the streets, handing somebody a

1714
00:58:15,505 --> 00:58:17,585
flyer, having a conversation. Not saying that's something

1715
00:58:17,585 --> 00:58:20,010
everybody has to do, but if we're not

1716
00:58:20,010 --> 00:58:22,010
gonna be completely dependent on the digital tools,

1717
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:24,090
which we know the digital world is becoming

1718
00:58:24,090 --> 00:58:24,909
more and more,

1719
00:58:25,369 --> 00:58:27,449
the norm every single day, and it's gonna

1720
00:58:27,449 --> 00:58:29,929
become increasingly difficult to not participate as it

1721
00:58:29,929 --> 00:58:32,409
already is, then we do, I would say,

1722
00:58:32,409 --> 00:58:34,454
need to put effort into the way we're

1723
00:58:34,454 --> 00:58:37,094
reaching people beyond just the the, digital realms.

1724
00:58:37,094 --> 00:58:38,775
We all know about of course, we've all

1725
00:58:38,775 --> 00:58:40,934
here been deplatformed in different ways at different

1726
00:58:40,934 --> 00:58:43,335
times over the last five to six, seven,

1727
00:58:43,335 --> 00:58:46,154
eight years, so we understand the dangers there.

1728
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,420
I did want to bring it to one

1729
00:58:48,420 --> 00:58:50,579
other, kind of question, pose it to whoever

1730
00:58:50,579 --> 00:58:52,019
wants to pick it up. I met a

1731
00:58:52,019 --> 00:58:53,699
guy recently who told me about the way

1732
00:58:53,699 --> 00:58:56,980
he uses AI specifically to help him improve

1733
00:58:56,980 --> 00:58:59,635
his business plan. And I will say, preface

1734
00:58:59,635 --> 00:59:01,315
this by saying this guy definitely used AI

1735
00:59:01,315 --> 00:59:02,835
to a level that I'm personally not comfortable

1736
00:59:02,835 --> 00:59:05,474
with, but I found it intriguing, interesting, and

1737
00:59:05,474 --> 00:59:07,335
I want to get your thoughts on this.

1738
00:59:07,635 --> 00:59:09,234
Like, on one level, it was his business

1739
00:59:09,234 --> 00:59:10,994
plan. He fed this chatbot. I think he

1740
00:59:10,994 --> 00:59:12,135
was using ChatGPT

1741
00:59:13,019 --> 00:59:15,340
his, you know, entire life, his bio, his,

1742
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:17,179
five year plan, his,

1743
00:59:17,579 --> 00:59:21,179
educational history, etcetera, and spent days and weeks

1744
00:59:21,179 --> 00:59:23,260
giving this AI as much information about him

1745
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:23,920
as possible,

1746
00:59:24,219 --> 00:59:25,920
which, again, I don't recommend.

1747
00:59:26,285 --> 00:59:28,445
So it could really understand his values and

1748
00:59:28,445 --> 00:59:30,364
what he's after and then said, show me

1749
00:59:30,364 --> 00:59:33,325
my blind spots and had some really powerful

1750
00:59:33,325 --> 00:59:35,325
conversations that revealed to him things that he

1751
00:59:35,325 --> 00:59:37,244
personally felt like he wouldn't have been able

1752
00:59:37,244 --> 00:59:38,925
to see otherwise. I've seen people talk about

1753
00:59:38,925 --> 00:59:41,690
this similar ways, you know, for personal development,

1754
00:59:41,690 --> 00:59:44,510
business developments, even spiritual development, if you will.

1755
00:59:45,050 --> 00:59:46,730
And then obviously people saying, oh, I wanna

1756
00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:48,809
build a website because I'm an entrepreneur. But

1757
00:59:48,809 --> 00:59:50,489
instead of me having to learn coding, I

1758
00:59:50,489 --> 00:59:52,250
asked it the AI. I told it what

1759
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:53,875
I wanted and it shot out the code

1760
00:59:53,875 --> 00:59:55,235
and now I have a website and I

1761
00:59:55,235 --> 00:59:56,934
have more time to create my

1762
00:59:57,315 --> 00:59:58,835
product. So, do you guys see any value

1763
00:59:58,835 --> 01:00:00,195
in those type of things? Like the idea

1764
01:00:00,195 --> 01:00:03,015
of a personal development using AI, business development,

1765
01:00:03,394 --> 01:00:04,855
or are we still just like,

1766
01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:07,570
that's scary and stay away? I'll jump into

1767
01:00:07,570 --> 01:00:08,690
this real quick because I think what I

1768
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:10,210
was already thinking I wanted to get into

1769
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:12,690
overlaps with that, which might I mean, obviously,

1770
01:00:12,690 --> 01:00:14,210
all the concerns we have are all very

1771
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:15,409
valid, and it's hard to even tell which

1772
01:00:15,409 --> 01:00:17,030
one's more concerning half the time.

1773
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:18,690
What stands out to me the most as

1774
01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:21,255
immediately concerning is the what we're all highlighting,

1775
01:00:21,255 --> 01:00:22,234
the the misinformation

1776
01:00:22,614 --> 01:00:24,614
dynamic where, like, we all know that the

1777
01:00:24,614 --> 01:00:26,074
best lies are usually

1778
01:00:26,454 --> 01:00:27,974
packed around a whole bunch of truth. Right?

1779
01:00:27,974 --> 01:00:29,734
And so, like, the kernel that's most important

1780
01:00:29,734 --> 01:00:31,094
to lie about, you may still got a

1781
01:00:31,094 --> 01:00:32,375
lot of truth with that. And so the

1782
01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:34,029
same concern here is not, like, I think

1783
01:00:34,029 --> 01:00:35,469
we can all at least take a step

1784
01:00:35,469 --> 01:00:37,230
back and acknowledge that there is clearly a

1785
01:00:37,230 --> 01:00:38,750
benefit even if we know it's in the

1786
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:40,509
long run not good for us. My worry

1787
01:00:40,509 --> 01:00:42,029
is, like, with that point. Right? So he's

1788
01:00:42,029 --> 01:00:43,710
using this to maybe he noticed a whole

1789
01:00:43,710 --> 01:00:45,489
bunch of things that made his plan better.

1790
01:00:45,549 --> 01:00:47,230
But the question is, did he also within

1791
01:00:47,230 --> 01:00:49,635
that solidify something that he'll never he'll always

1792
01:00:49,635 --> 01:00:51,474
go on thinking was true and it wasn't

1793
01:00:51,474 --> 01:00:53,074
or something like that. Like, that's where I

1794
01:00:53,074 --> 01:00:54,755
see this being used more than anything is

1795
01:00:54,755 --> 01:00:56,994
that people are, you know, using like, whether

1796
01:00:57,155 --> 01:00:58,755
like, the four things I listed earlier, the

1797
01:00:58,755 --> 01:01:01,235
first one was just average researchers or rather

1798
01:01:01,235 --> 01:01:03,590
average individuals who just are online and wanna

1799
01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:05,590
check something. And like we said, there's a

1800
01:01:05,590 --> 01:01:06,869
lot of them are choosing to go at

1801
01:01:06,869 --> 01:01:08,710
face value with what they see. And then

1802
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:10,390
other people, like we're seeing, are checking it,

1803
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:12,230
but then there's kernels within that that are

1804
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:14,469
very important lies that get carried over forever.

1805
01:01:14,469 --> 01:01:15,829
So the major point we all seem to

1806
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:17,684
be making is that it's about how these

1807
01:01:17,684 --> 01:01:20,244
things are applied. And that is always going

1808
01:01:20,244 --> 01:01:22,085
to be, you know, question everything kind of

1809
01:01:22,085 --> 01:01:23,525
a mindset, but even those of us that

1810
01:01:23,525 --> 01:01:25,045
are coming at it like that may still

1811
01:01:25,045 --> 01:01:26,644
miss things. You know? So it's just always

1812
01:01:26,644 --> 01:01:28,164
that balance of whether or not you're going

1813
01:01:28,164 --> 01:01:30,005
to be drawn to something much larger or

1814
01:01:30,005 --> 01:01:31,989
more important lies in the future. Like, I

1815
01:01:31,989 --> 01:01:33,670
can't I agree with the Internet point. Like,

1816
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:34,869
if we never had used it, I don't

1817
01:01:34,869 --> 01:01:36,230
even think we'd be in this position. But,

1818
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:37,590
you know, it's it's kind of one of

1819
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:38,710
those moments where we each have to make

1820
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:41,110
a personal decision about, like Whitney said, about

1821
01:01:41,110 --> 01:01:42,630
whether we even lean into these things in

1822
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:44,469
the first place because of the long term

1823
01:01:44,469 --> 01:01:45,824
problem. You know? But But I think what

1824
01:01:45,824 --> 01:01:47,585
you point out, Derek's a great example. Because,

1825
01:01:47,585 --> 01:01:49,125
obviously, from a nonpolitical,

1826
01:01:49,425 --> 01:01:50,164
like, nonnews

1827
01:01:50,625 --> 01:01:52,885
perspective, that clearly benefited him. You know?

1828
01:01:53,425 --> 01:01:54,704
If I could just go back to the

1829
01:01:54,704 --> 01:01:56,784
local thing for for one second, I think

1830
01:01:56,784 --> 01:01:58,164
that's important. And, ideally,

1831
01:01:58,829 --> 01:02:01,550
each of us should be doing something within

1832
01:02:01,550 --> 01:02:02,690
our means. You know?

1833
01:02:03,230 --> 01:02:04,450
James in Japanese,

1834
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:06,050
a a a new sign.

1835
01:02:06,750 --> 01:02:09,230
I've been thinking I'd ideally wanna produce something

1836
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:10,829
in Spanish because it wouldn't make sense for

1837
01:02:10,829 --> 01:02:12,349
me in English because I'm here in Mexico.

1838
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:15,345
So wherever you are to produce something physical.

1839
01:02:15,965 --> 01:02:18,605
The only conference I've ever, organized was almost

1840
01:02:18,605 --> 01:02:20,224
ten years ago for Daniel Estillan,

1841
01:02:20,684 --> 01:02:22,605
here in town. And I've been going three

1842
01:02:22,605 --> 01:02:24,445
years in a three years in a row

1843
01:02:24,445 --> 01:02:26,045
to People's Reset, which has been a lot

1844
01:02:26,045 --> 01:02:27,105
of fun, and,

1845
01:02:27,405 --> 01:02:29,325
it's it's very fruitful. The only problem with

1846
01:02:29,325 --> 01:02:29,699
that,

1847
01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:33,000
it's very capital intensive, so you need money.

1848
01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:34,820
And I I I I've known a few

1849
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:36,760
folks in alt media who have tried it.

1850
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:39,059
Actually, one of your attendees at people's research,

1851
01:02:39,059 --> 01:02:42,545
Corey Corey Hague of, Liberty Uncensored, and I

1852
01:02:42,545 --> 01:02:44,864
think he stopped because, again, there's just not

1853
01:02:44,864 --> 01:02:45,364
enough,

1854
01:02:46,065 --> 01:02:48,005
money. And and I guess on that last

1855
01:02:48,385 --> 01:02:48,885
point,

1856
01:02:50,305 --> 01:02:52,224
you know, I I for business plans, I

1857
01:02:52,305 --> 01:02:53,744
you know, I I'm looking at ways that

1858
01:02:53,744 --> 01:02:55,425
I can use AI to make what I'm

1859
01:02:55,425 --> 01:02:57,590
doing more efficient and save time. So I

1860
01:02:57,590 --> 01:02:58,090
think,

1861
01:02:59,030 --> 01:03:00,789
you know, I I think there's nothing wrong

1862
01:03:00,789 --> 01:03:02,630
with that and that hasn't you know? Because

1863
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:04,710
we're using DARPA Internet anyways. So it's like,

1864
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:06,710
if if if you're gonna say don't use

1865
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:09,190
AI, then don't use DARPA Internet. Don't don't

1866
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:10,730
use GPS. Don't use

1867
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:11,530
apps.

1868
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:13,130
So yeah.

1869
01:03:13,824 --> 01:03:14,945
I don't know if I would agree with

1870
01:03:14,945 --> 01:03:16,545
that. I think that's definitely, like, you know,

1871
01:03:16,545 --> 01:03:18,465
we could use the the Internet, but not

1872
01:03:18,465 --> 01:03:19,905
have to use all the tools. Right? I

1873
01:03:19,905 --> 01:03:22,144
mean, like, fundamentally, what Ryan and what Whitney

1874
01:03:22,144 --> 01:03:23,344
were saying, I at least the way I

1875
01:03:23,344 --> 01:03:24,085
heard it is,

1876
01:03:24,385 --> 01:03:25,824
we each have to, you know, figure out

1877
01:03:25,824 --> 01:03:26,989
what that line in the sand is, and

1878
01:03:26,989 --> 01:03:29,150
we're all gonna relate to technology differently. We're

1879
01:03:29,150 --> 01:03:30,670
already doing that. You know, for example,

1880
01:03:31,230 --> 01:03:32,510
I don't have a cell phone. I don't

1881
01:03:32,510 --> 01:03:33,250
have a smartphone.

1882
01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:35,389
That's a line that I chose years ago,

1883
01:03:35,389 --> 01:03:37,469
right, because of certain things that it made

1884
01:03:37,469 --> 01:03:38,989
me feel more plugged in than I already

1885
01:03:38,989 --> 01:03:40,269
am with my laptop on me all the

1886
01:03:40,269 --> 01:03:42,144
time. Right? So I wanted to feel less

1887
01:03:42,144 --> 01:03:44,384
plugged in and make that choice. That's really

1888
01:03:44,384 --> 01:03:46,304
crazy for some people or not using bank

1889
01:03:46,304 --> 01:03:48,304
systems and things like that. So we're already

1890
01:03:48,304 --> 01:03:50,224
kind of choosing to relate. Some people already

1891
01:03:50,224 --> 01:03:52,384
askew social media like James. James isn't on

1892
01:03:52,384 --> 01:03:54,224
any social media. No. That's not James on

1893
01:03:54,224 --> 01:03:55,204
YouTube or Facebook,

1894
01:03:56,349 --> 01:03:58,510
that, you know, hasn't for years because of

1895
01:03:58,510 --> 01:04:00,590
his principles and his values. So clearly, we're

1896
01:04:00,590 --> 01:04:02,590
already kind of drawing lines in different ways

1897
01:04:02,590 --> 01:04:04,590
even among this conversation about the ways we're

1898
01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:07,409
willing to use AI or not use AI.

1899
01:04:07,469 --> 01:04:09,534
But I don't necessarily know that saying because

1900
01:04:09,534 --> 01:04:11,215
we're using the Internet, then, well, the next

1901
01:04:11,215 --> 01:04:12,594
step might as well be embrace

1902
01:04:13,215 --> 01:04:15,135
AI or other tools. I I mean, it's

1903
01:04:15,135 --> 01:04:16,494
it's gonna look different for all of us,

1904
01:04:16,494 --> 01:04:17,155
of course.

1905
01:04:17,534 --> 01:04:19,054
And I'll I'll add to that really quickly,

1906
01:04:19,054 --> 01:04:20,255
but then Jason can go just that I

1907
01:04:20,255 --> 01:04:21,614
I don't wanna make it sound either that

1908
01:04:21,614 --> 01:04:22,355
I'm criticizing

1909
01:04:22,735 --> 01:04:24,839
anybody here for, you know, applying it the

1910
01:04:24,839 --> 01:04:26,199
way they see fit. Right? We it's it's

1911
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:27,880
about going into this with the best, you

1912
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,960
know, with what you think is the right

1913
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,559
thing to do, right, with the good intentions.

1914
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:33,159
But we all make mistakes. And the question

1915
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:34,920
is that what Derek is saying would be

1916
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,000
evaluating that line as we go along. You

1917
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,974
know? And maybe, like like we said, maybe

1918
01:04:38,974 --> 01:04:40,335
we'll get to that point and realize that

1919
01:04:40,335 --> 01:04:41,695
using that would have given us a leg

1920
01:04:41,695 --> 01:04:43,135
up on the people we're fighting. You know?

1921
01:04:43,135 --> 01:04:44,974
It's it's not about who's right or wrong

1922
01:04:44,974 --> 01:04:46,735
in this conversation. It's about just having this

1923
01:04:46,735 --> 01:04:48,114
conversation and being aware

1924
01:04:48,414 --> 01:04:50,015
of these lines and how it's being used

1925
01:04:50,015 --> 01:04:51,535
and then factoring that in as you go

1926
01:04:51,535 --> 01:04:52,994
forward. You know? Go ahead, Jason.

1927
01:04:53,570 --> 01:04:55,250
So one of the things that we haven't

1928
01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:56,710
talked about a lot is

1929
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:58,309
the acclimation,

1930
01:04:59,570 --> 01:05:00,389
to utilizing

1931
01:05:00,849 --> 01:05:03,329
AI as a persona or a thing that's

1932
01:05:03,329 --> 01:05:04,869
not just digital code.

1933
01:05:05,650 --> 01:05:07,110
You know, for for instance,

1934
01:05:08,275 --> 01:05:10,054
there's a content creator,

1935
01:05:10,755 --> 01:05:13,394
independent journalist. I'm not gonna name the name,

1936
01:05:13,394 --> 01:05:13,894
but

1937
01:05:14,594 --> 01:05:17,235
he has an AI girlfriend, and he flaunts

1938
01:05:17,235 --> 01:05:19,235
it on x. He's con yeah. I think

1939
01:05:19,235 --> 01:05:21,235
you know what I'm talking about, Steve. And

1940
01:05:21,235 --> 01:05:22,775
it's extremely bizarre,

1941
01:05:23,610 --> 01:05:26,010
but he's not the only one doing that.

1942
01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:28,650
And one of the things about GPT four

1943
01:05:28,650 --> 01:05:30,430
that really creeped me out with that presentation

1944
01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:32,890
was that they decided to go with, like,

1945
01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:35,690
the her girl persona. In fact, they actually

1946
01:05:35,690 --> 01:05:38,170
tried to get that actress to voice it

1947
01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:38,670
over,

1948
01:05:39,515 --> 01:05:42,235
for that very reason. Now to bring that

1949
01:05:42,235 --> 01:05:43,755
kinda back to what you were saying about

1950
01:05:43,755 --> 01:05:44,414
this guy

1951
01:05:44,875 --> 01:05:48,575
putting everything forward for his business, and then,

1952
01:05:48,635 --> 01:05:50,235
you know, I think it kinda plays into

1953
01:05:50,235 --> 01:05:51,594
what I said before. It's a it's a

1954
01:05:51,594 --> 01:05:52,094
reflection.

1955
01:05:52,394 --> 01:05:53,820
It's a mirror of you.

1956
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:57,019
So maybe he was able to learn things

1957
01:05:57,019 --> 01:05:58,460
about himself that he didn't know, or maybe

1958
01:05:58,460 --> 01:06:00,059
he was able to confront them for the

1959
01:06:00,059 --> 01:06:02,140
first time because they were right there staring

1960
01:06:02,140 --> 01:06:03,820
him in the face, and they weren't just

1961
01:06:03,820 --> 01:06:06,300
this subliminal tick or something he'd been pushing

1962
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:08,300
back. You could argue the same thing for

1963
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:08,800
therapy.

1964
01:06:09,434 --> 01:06:09,934
Now

1965
01:06:10,235 --> 01:06:10,735
therapy,

1966
01:06:11,114 --> 01:06:13,914
to me, again, total mixed bag. Again, you're

1967
01:06:13,914 --> 01:06:14,655
talking about

1968
01:06:15,114 --> 01:06:15,614
individuals.

1969
01:06:15,914 --> 01:06:17,375
Now you're talking about drugs.

1970
01:06:18,635 --> 01:06:21,275
I'm still more comfortable with a therapist being

1971
01:06:21,275 --> 01:06:22,335
a human being

1972
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:26,230
than an AI. And then on top of

1973
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:28,889
that, aside from everything else with the business,

1974
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:31,510
when you are feeding that much data, you're

1975
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:35,369
also encouraging the digital twin system, the facsimile

1976
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:36,489
of yourself.

1977
01:06:37,194 --> 01:06:39,454
And, unfortunately, when I talk about acclimation

1978
01:06:40,074 --> 01:06:44,094
to AGIs or artificial personas, the ultimate acclimation

1979
01:06:44,795 --> 01:06:47,694
is that acquiescence that somehow they can replicate

1980
01:06:47,755 --> 01:06:50,394
you. And we're already seeing that. Like, oh,

1981
01:06:50,394 --> 01:06:51,694
again, I talked about,

1982
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:52,859
the individual

1983
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:55,480
who basically created an AI of her brother,

1984
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,139
and they utilized that in the, closing,

1985
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:00,519
state or I'm sorry, the impact statements, not

1986
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:02,679
the closing statements. I think we're gonna see

1987
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:03,500
more of that.

1988
01:07:04,755 --> 01:07:08,114
That's where we're getting even murkier and even

1989
01:07:08,114 --> 01:07:10,275
more dangerous because, look, the these things are

1990
01:07:10,275 --> 01:07:12,375
never gonna be sentient. It's not possible.

1991
01:07:12,835 --> 01:07:15,155
They're only gonna be programmed. Again, not only

1992
01:07:15,155 --> 01:07:18,275
with the digital knowledge, but the digital public

1993
01:07:18,275 --> 01:07:20,360
knowledge, because we really don't know what the

1994
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:20,860
AIs

1995
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,099
on the black sites look like.

1996
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,220
But I would imagine they're way more extensive

1997
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,920
than what we're getting right now. I mean,

1998
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,640
I know that and Catherine Austin fits, wish

1999
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,505
she could have been here. I know dumbs

2000
01:07:33,505 --> 01:07:35,744
are super hot right now. They're like Hansel

2001
01:07:35,744 --> 01:07:38,224
hot because of her. But think about the

2002
01:07:38,224 --> 01:07:40,644
things they're actually doing in there

2003
01:07:40,945 --> 01:07:41,764
in regards

2004
01:07:42,304 --> 01:07:43,985
to AI. And I and I'll and I'll

2005
01:07:43,985 --> 01:07:45,824
pass it off to whoever wants to jump

2006
01:07:45,824 --> 01:07:47,949
in. I was real quick. Just real quick.

2007
01:07:47,949 --> 01:07:48,930
I want you to said,

2008
01:07:49,630 --> 01:07:51,550
there's a little bit of feedback. Just the

2009
01:07:51,550 --> 01:07:53,070
the the that's the line in the sand

2010
01:07:53,070 --> 01:07:54,829
what you just said about the like, when

2011
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:57,070
you have AI agents or the, the Windows

2012
01:07:57,070 --> 01:07:59,070
Copilot, it keeps installing itself, and I keep

2013
01:07:59,070 --> 01:08:01,265
on installing it. And the the signal lady,

2014
01:08:01,265 --> 01:08:02,864
Miriam, whatever her name is, I'm I'm not

2015
01:08:02,945 --> 01:08:05,265
I don't trust signal, but that effectively breaks

2016
01:08:05,265 --> 01:08:07,345
encryption. So once you have these AI you

2017
01:08:07,345 --> 01:08:08,625
know, for me, that's a line in the

2018
01:08:08,625 --> 01:08:10,565
sand. That's why I've got an above phone.

2019
01:08:10,625 --> 01:08:12,224
I haven't switched to Linux yet, but I

2020
01:08:12,224 --> 01:08:14,909
think, like, that is definitely Hey, Troy. You're

2021
01:08:14,909 --> 01:08:15,650
on Windows?

2022
01:08:16,909 --> 01:08:18,369
Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

2023
01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:22,130
How many people here on Google, Microsoft,

2024
01:08:22,510 --> 01:08:23,010
etcetera?

2025
01:08:23,869 --> 01:08:25,244
Apple. I'm not calling it

2026
01:08:25,725 --> 01:08:27,485
James, I know you use Apple. And look,

2027
01:08:27,485 --> 01:08:29,085
just to say, I don't wanna sidetrack everything,

2028
01:08:29,085 --> 01:08:31,324
but I think without calling anybody out, that

2029
01:08:31,324 --> 01:08:32,765
is part of the problem. Like, what Whitney

2030
01:08:32,765 --> 01:08:34,364
was saying is, like, where where and when

2031
01:08:34,364 --> 01:08:36,364
do we draw those lines on our systems?

2032
01:08:36,364 --> 01:08:38,125
And, you know, we know they've monopolized it

2033
01:08:38,125 --> 01:08:39,965
and so it's hard, but is that a

2034
01:08:39,965 --> 01:08:41,789
line we care about? Eric, let me just

2035
01:08:41,789 --> 01:08:43,710
jump in just quick. You know? And I

2036
01:08:43,710 --> 01:08:45,310
got this text, and I I should have

2037
01:08:45,310 --> 01:08:47,630
been more on on this, story. I got

2038
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:49,069
a text from a buddy. I'm going to

2039
01:08:49,069 --> 01:08:50,270
his wedding at the end of the month

2040
01:08:50,270 --> 01:08:51,869
in New York. And it was about the

2041
01:08:51,869 --> 01:08:54,429
Siri Apple story that maybe you've heard of

2042
01:08:54,429 --> 01:08:55,489
and maybe you haven't.

2043
01:08:55,869 --> 01:08:56,849
But right now,

2044
01:08:57,604 --> 01:09:00,324
Apple has acquiesced to about a hundred million

2045
01:09:00,324 --> 01:09:01,385
dollars in damages

2046
01:09:01,925 --> 01:09:02,904
for Siri

2047
01:09:03,524 --> 01:09:04,024
accidentally

2048
01:09:04,885 --> 01:09:06,344
listening to your conversations.

2049
01:09:06,965 --> 01:09:09,920
Now you could totally max out if you've

2050
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,560
had five devices in your family over the

2051
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,739
last ten years at a hundo

2052
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:16,739
if with through this application.

2053
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,199
Now if you did that over the ten

2054
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:19,699
years

2055
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:22,020
and, what, the five devices,

2056
01:09:22,414 --> 01:09:23,935
that's about 80¢

2057
01:09:23,935 --> 01:09:26,034
a month to be spied on

2058
01:09:26,574 --> 01:09:28,895
for your entire life. And people are like,

2059
01:09:28,895 --> 01:09:31,314
how do I get my Ben Joe Franklin?

2060
01:09:31,694 --> 01:09:33,715
There's no criminal repercussions.

2061
01:09:34,414 --> 01:09:36,520
Nobody's even talking about it like it's a

2062
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,060
thing. This is from the implementation

2063
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:41,800
of that software on the device. And the

2064
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,359
best part about it is that in doing

2065
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,719
so, Apple doesn't have to, admit to any

2066
01:09:47,719 --> 01:09:48,219
wrongdoing.

2067
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,054
They're just facilitating this to forego any other

2068
01:09:52,054 --> 01:09:54,475
processes. And and, unfortunately, that's

2069
01:09:55,015 --> 01:09:57,354
really where we're at, not just the technological

2070
01:09:57,654 --> 01:09:58,154
level,

2071
01:09:58,454 --> 01:10:01,654
but the political level, the banking level. Every

2072
01:10:01,654 --> 01:10:03,574
once in a while, every once in a

2073
01:10:03,574 --> 01:10:05,770
blue moon, maybe, we see a slap on

2074
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:07,829
the wrist. Nothing changes.

2075
01:10:08,210 --> 01:10:10,130
And they're it's not like they're going to

2076
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:12,449
the gulags or that they're gonna get hung

2077
01:10:12,449 --> 01:10:14,310
in the public square. And I'm not necessarily

2078
01:10:14,449 --> 01:10:16,770
advocating for that, but how about just the

2079
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:18,630
regular criminal process

2080
01:10:19,295 --> 01:10:22,734
where they could actually do criminal time in

2081
01:10:22,734 --> 01:10:24,114
a federal penitentiary

2082
01:10:24,574 --> 01:10:26,814
where so many of us plebs have had

2083
01:10:26,814 --> 01:10:29,635
to spend times for dealing cocaine,

2084
01:10:30,655 --> 01:10:33,295
getting an offender bender, being drunk at the

2085
01:10:33,295 --> 01:10:35,250
wrong time. Nothing that's great,

2086
01:10:35,710 --> 01:10:38,510
but it's all not on the unsavory level

2087
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:41,329
of spying on everybody and facilitating the military.

2088
01:10:42,109 --> 01:10:42,770
Their their information

2089
01:10:43,789 --> 01:10:47,149
is really, really useful. Right? So there's a

2090
01:10:47,149 --> 01:10:49,069
scratch my back and I'll scratch yours thing.

2091
01:10:49,069 --> 01:10:51,255
And I think that the technology that you

2092
01:10:51,255 --> 01:10:53,515
use is a really important aspect

2093
01:10:53,895 --> 01:10:55,494
of the spiritual war. If we're all gonna

2094
01:10:55,494 --> 01:10:57,735
agree that it's kind of a a must

2095
01:10:57,735 --> 01:10:59,435
have for our line of work,

2096
01:10:59,814 --> 01:11:02,295
then, yeah, getting out of big tech is

2097
01:11:02,295 --> 01:11:03,735
one of the things you can do. And

2098
01:11:03,735 --> 01:11:04,555
I would be

2099
01:11:04,869 --> 01:11:06,869
I would be selling myself short if I

2100
01:11:06,869 --> 01:11:07,689
didn't mention

2101
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:11,029
Linux and how easy it is to install

2102
01:11:11,029 --> 01:11:12,789
on any computer you have. A lot of

2103
01:11:12,789 --> 01:11:15,590
people were forced into upgrading to Windows 11.

2104
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:16,649
As James mentioned,

2105
01:11:17,204 --> 01:11:19,685
Copilot is taking pictures of your screen. You've

2106
01:11:19,685 --> 01:11:21,064
got AI in your taskbar.

2107
01:11:21,364 --> 01:11:23,545
There's absolutely no way to remove it.

2108
01:11:23,925 --> 01:11:24,744
Both Apple

2109
01:11:25,284 --> 01:11:28,645
and, Microsoft are now when you're saving files

2110
01:11:28,645 --> 01:11:30,725
on your device, they're actually being saved to

2111
01:11:30,725 --> 01:11:31,625
the cloud first.

2112
01:11:31,925 --> 01:11:34,220
Of course, that is being used to feed

2113
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:36,860
AI. Of course, what Jason just mentioned about

2114
01:11:36,860 --> 01:11:38,539
them recording on your phones. I mean, that's

2115
01:11:38,539 --> 01:11:40,860
how they've got this exponential curve because they're

2116
01:11:40,860 --> 01:11:43,340
taking all the data and running with it.

2117
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:45,100
So if you really want to resist, if

2118
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:47,039
you really want to remove your compliance,

2119
01:11:47,345 --> 01:11:48,945
you do have to spend an hour or

2120
01:11:48,945 --> 01:11:51,045
two to install Linux on your computer.

2121
01:11:51,345 --> 01:11:53,905
Or please check out our project, which we

2122
01:11:53,905 --> 01:11:55,824
do Linux laptops and we do d Google

2123
01:11:55,824 --> 01:11:59,104
phones. I know, Whitney's got an above book

2124
01:11:59,104 --> 01:12:00,485
from us, a Linux laptop.

2125
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:04,059
Derek and, his his community, they've got above

2126
01:12:04,059 --> 01:12:04,559
phones.

2127
01:12:04,939 --> 01:12:06,699
I have yet to set James in the

2128
01:12:06,699 --> 01:12:08,779
laptop, but we're gonna get James off of

2129
01:12:08,779 --> 01:12:10,000
macOS. I promise.

2130
01:12:10,619 --> 01:12:13,020
And, it it is a journey. I wish

2131
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:14,639
we could do the same for AI,

2132
01:12:15,145 --> 01:12:16,985
and I do want to ask the group

2133
01:12:16,985 --> 01:12:19,305
a question. Now this is pretty interesting. The

2134
01:12:19,305 --> 01:12:22,185
World Economic Forum released this job report this

2135
01:12:22,185 --> 01:12:26,104
year surveying the top thousand global employers, and

2136
01:12:26,104 --> 01:12:28,185
40 of them are going to cut back

2137
01:12:28,185 --> 01:12:28,925
their workforce,

2138
01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:31,890
and 70% of them are going to train

2139
01:12:31,949 --> 01:12:34,189
their workforce on using AI. So, I mean,

2140
01:12:34,189 --> 01:12:35,250
this is just hinting

2141
01:12:35,630 --> 01:12:38,189
at massive layoffs more than we've already seen

2142
01:12:38,189 --> 01:12:40,109
from the big tech companies this year. So

2143
01:12:40,109 --> 01:12:41,949
going back to Whitney's earlier point, we need

2144
01:12:41,949 --> 01:12:43,895
to get back local. I think that there's

2145
01:12:43,895 --> 01:12:45,835
going to be a lot of unemployed people

2146
01:12:46,055 --> 01:12:47,655
that are going to have to put their

2147
01:12:47,655 --> 01:12:49,574
hands back on the dirt, going back to

2148
01:12:49,574 --> 01:12:50,954
hyper local organization.

2149
01:12:51,335 --> 01:12:53,494
And that's kind of exciting, right, to think

2150
01:12:53,494 --> 01:12:56,074
that your greatest enemy, this artificial intelligence,

2151
01:12:56,530 --> 01:12:58,210
is gonna force you out of a job

2152
01:12:58,210 --> 01:12:59,670
and get you back to the things

2153
01:12:59,970 --> 01:13:01,430
that are really, really important.

2154
01:13:02,050 --> 01:13:03,409
I don't know if anyone Sorry. Isn't it

2155
01:13:03,409 --> 01:13:05,649
just is it that the new learn to

2156
01:13:05,649 --> 01:13:07,430
code is going to be learn to farm?

2157
01:13:07,649 --> 01:13:07,890
I just

2158
01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:10,755
well, is it though? I mean, surely, what's

2159
01:13:10,755 --> 01:13:12,435
gonna happen is this gonna is that's gonna

2160
01:13:12,435 --> 01:13:13,954
be a reason to bring in UBI for

2161
01:13:13,954 --> 01:13:14,454
everybody?

2162
01:13:14,994 --> 01:13:16,755
Look at all these unemployed people. We're gonna

2163
01:13:16,755 --> 01:13:18,534
we're gonna have to bring universal basic income.

2164
01:13:19,234 --> 01:13:20,755
That's right. To go back to that series

2165
01:13:20,755 --> 01:13:21,734
story as well,

2166
01:13:22,770 --> 01:13:25,350
it's very interesting that probably everybody here

2167
01:13:25,729 --> 01:13:27,729
ten years ago was saying they're putting microphones

2168
01:13:27,729 --> 01:13:29,810
and everything that will listen to you when

2169
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:31,170
you tell them to, but they're probably gonna

2170
01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:32,369
listen to you all the time. We all

2171
01:13:32,369 --> 01:13:33,970
said that was gonna happen. This I told

2172
01:13:33,970 --> 01:13:35,430
you so it's all around for that.

2173
01:13:36,025 --> 01:13:37,784
I think it's very interesting that now they

2174
01:13:37,784 --> 01:13:39,385
say, yeah. They were listening to you the

2175
01:13:39,385 --> 01:13:40,045
whole time.

2176
01:13:40,664 --> 01:13:42,505
I don't think that's a leak. I don't

2177
01:13:42,505 --> 01:13:43,145
think that's,

2178
01:13:43,545 --> 01:13:45,244
I think that's a a psyop

2179
01:13:45,864 --> 01:13:47,945
itself. Do you tell them ten years later?

2180
01:13:47,945 --> 01:13:49,145
Oh, by the way, you were listening, and

2181
01:13:49,145 --> 01:13:50,670
then they see how you react. And everybody

2182
01:13:50,670 --> 01:13:52,989
says, oh, well, you never mind. That means

2183
01:13:52,989 --> 01:13:54,590
everything is working as it should, and people

2184
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:56,029
are just used to it. That's the testing

2185
01:13:56,029 --> 01:13:57,250
that walked over to me.

2186
01:14:00,590 --> 01:14:01,949
There was a third point I was gonna

2187
01:14:01,949 --> 01:14:03,630
make, but I got distracted by the UBI

2188
01:14:03,630 --> 01:14:04,130
thing.

2189
01:14:05,524 --> 01:14:07,844
Well, since you paused, I'll I'll respond to

2190
01:14:07,844 --> 01:14:09,364
what Derek was asking about the, you know,

2191
01:14:09,364 --> 01:14:10,965
the platform background is, you know, that I

2192
01:14:10,965 --> 01:14:12,965
think that it's it's interesting that you have

2193
01:14:12,965 --> 01:14:14,484
the, you know, the Windows dynamic. And it

2194
01:14:14,524 --> 01:14:16,005
you get the same kind of conversation we

2195
01:14:16,005 --> 01:14:17,524
were just having is that, you know, we

2196
01:14:17,524 --> 01:14:19,284
all have our different levels. Like, for example,

2197
01:14:19,284 --> 01:14:20,344
during COVID nineteen

2198
01:14:20,699 --> 01:14:23,340
illusion time frame, we everyone's having meetings about,

2199
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:25,420
you know, the masks and and and protesting

2200
01:14:25,420 --> 01:14:27,020
and and resisting and so on. And then,

2201
01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:28,460
you know, it comes up to where, let's

2202
01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:29,979
stop going to Starbucks, and someone's like, oh,

2203
01:14:29,979 --> 01:14:31,340
well, but I like my coffee every morning.

2204
01:14:31,340 --> 01:14:32,539
And, you know, there's always, like, that one

2205
01:14:32,539 --> 01:14:33,899
thing that some which I'm not saying I

2206
01:14:33,899 --> 01:14:35,744
agree with, but everyone has those things that

2207
01:14:35,744 --> 01:14:37,984
they allow that ultimately are their, you know,

2208
01:14:37,984 --> 01:14:39,844
acceptance or their their, you know

2209
01:14:40,704 --> 01:14:41,204
basically,

2210
01:14:41,664 --> 01:14:43,024
it's interesting to see that we all have

2211
01:14:43,024 --> 01:14:44,944
these different lines. But it's not about trying

2212
01:14:44,944 --> 01:14:46,625
to judge other people that we think are

2213
01:14:46,625 --> 01:14:48,750
trying to find their path through it. It's

2214
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:50,350
really just trying to, like I said, have

2215
01:14:50,350 --> 01:14:52,350
this conversation and acknowledge that I think we

2216
01:14:52,350 --> 01:14:54,189
all agree here that whether we find the

2217
01:14:54,189 --> 01:14:55,789
use for these things or not, that they

2218
01:14:55,789 --> 01:14:57,789
are still using these against us. Like, I

2219
01:14:57,789 --> 01:14:59,149
think that's the common point in all of

2220
01:14:59,149 --> 01:15:01,005
this is that regardless of the benefit, it

2221
01:15:01,005 --> 01:15:02,685
will have a negative even if the benefits

2222
01:15:02,685 --> 01:15:04,045
outweigh that in the long run. And it's

2223
01:15:04,045 --> 01:15:05,645
worth just making sure we're aware of that

2224
01:15:05,645 --> 01:15:07,324
so you know that for when that time

2225
01:15:07,324 --> 01:15:08,765
comes that the red flags are noticed, and

2226
01:15:08,765 --> 01:15:10,284
then you can go, okay. That's what that

2227
01:15:10,284 --> 01:15:12,845
conversation was about and and adjust accordingly. You

2228
01:15:12,845 --> 01:15:13,890
know? Yeah.

2229
01:15:14,590 --> 01:15:16,510
I would also say that so far, what

2230
01:15:16,510 --> 01:15:18,510
all we've talked about is how much active

2231
01:15:18,510 --> 01:15:19,010
participation

2232
01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:21,489
and active interaction do we have with AIs.

2233
01:15:21,949 --> 01:15:23,630
But we haven't really talked about how much

2234
01:15:23,630 --> 01:15:25,550
passive interaction we must have with them. Like,

2235
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:27,390
this the the example Derek gave of the

2236
01:15:27,390 --> 01:15:29,045
guy that gave all that information to to

2237
01:15:29,045 --> 01:15:30,904
Grok or chat chat gbt.

2238
01:15:32,005 --> 01:15:34,164
The bottom line is if that information was

2239
01:15:34,164 --> 01:15:36,645
already on the Internet, some AI somewhere already

2240
01:15:36,645 --> 01:15:37,304
had it.

2241
01:15:38,164 --> 01:15:40,244
Like, anything on the Internet has been AI'd

2242
01:15:40,244 --> 01:15:41,625
to death already. Like,

2243
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:44,180
we have no idea how much of a

2244
01:15:44,180 --> 01:15:46,340
network of learning machines are connected to every

2245
01:15:46,340 --> 01:15:47,159
Google search,

2246
01:15:47,619 --> 01:15:50,039
every every fake like, for example,

2247
01:15:50,819 --> 01:15:53,219
I imagine people sold their data. Like, I

2248
01:15:53,219 --> 01:15:54,979
have, like, profiles and everything and a different

2249
01:15:54,979 --> 01:15:56,885
birthday and a different residence and all of

2250
01:15:56,885 --> 01:15:58,885
them, and I would imagine everybody should do

2251
01:15:58,885 --> 01:15:59,385
that.

2252
01:16:00,965 --> 01:16:03,125
But it's also interesting how much of a

2253
01:16:03,284 --> 01:16:03,844
how much

2254
01:16:04,404 --> 01:16:07,305
it's an interesting question. How much bad information

2255
01:16:07,364 --> 01:16:08,425
is put on the Internet

2256
01:16:08,885 --> 01:16:09,545
that will

2257
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,000
accidentally impact AI and how effective they can

2258
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,560
be. They will like and and AI out

2259
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:16,920
there will think I live in a city

2260
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,199
I have never been to, and I was

2261
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:19,479
born on a day I was not born

2262
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,960
on. And that could be true of millions

2263
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,819
upon millions of people. So even the reliability

2264
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,904
of the data AIs have is in question.

2265
01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:31,284
Steve, James, you guys got any input?

2266
01:16:33,184 --> 01:16:34,625
Well, I I wanted I wanted to I

2267
01:16:34,625 --> 01:16:35,844
got a question for James.

2268
01:16:36,145 --> 01:16:38,340
Go ahead. Okay. Thanks. Sorry about that, Ryan.

2269
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:40,099
James, you did a report years ago. I

2270
01:16:40,099 --> 01:16:41,139
mean, you're not the only one, but I

2271
01:16:41,139 --> 01:16:44,119
definitely remember seeing it on your your site

2272
01:16:44,179 --> 01:16:44,679
about,

2273
01:16:45,619 --> 01:16:47,380
I don't remember which Google head it was.

2274
01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:48,819
Maybe it was Eric Schmidt. But somebody at

2275
01:16:48,819 --> 01:16:50,739
Google years ago said that, you know, their

2276
01:16:50,739 --> 01:16:52,340
eventual goal was to make it where there

2277
01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:54,314
would be one answer, the right answer. Right?

2278
01:16:54,314 --> 01:16:55,994
And we're already kinda seeing that with, like,

2279
01:16:55,994 --> 01:16:57,515
if you do a Google search engine, which

2280
01:16:57,515 --> 01:16:59,835
again, another area where we can all opt

2281
01:16:59,835 --> 01:17:01,835
out and use pre search or the millions

2282
01:17:01,835 --> 01:17:03,755
of others, you know, millions, but the others

2283
01:17:03,755 --> 01:17:04,574
that do exist.

2284
01:17:05,274 --> 01:17:06,555
But when you do a Google search or

2285
01:17:06,555 --> 01:17:09,189
any mainstream search, they now have the AI

2286
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:10,630
answer at the top kind of and most

2287
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:12,149
people I think I mean, I I don't

2288
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:13,189
have any way to measure this, but I'm

2289
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:14,550
sure there's a lot of normies who are

2290
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:16,469
just not even scrolling to the first response

2291
01:17:16,469 --> 01:17:18,149
now and just going straight with the AI

2292
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:18,649
answer.

2293
01:17:19,349 --> 01:17:20,869
How close do you think we are to

2294
01:17:20,869 --> 01:17:22,550
that that goal of them having one answer?

2295
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:24,045
I mean, do you think this is it?

2296
01:17:24,444 --> 01:17:27,244
Closer than ever, anyway. Yes. It's called We

2297
01:17:27,244 --> 01:17:29,244
Need to Talk About Search. So look up

2298
01:17:29,244 --> 01:17:31,324
that video in my archives, and you can

2299
01:17:31,324 --> 01:17:33,564
find that, including the clip of Schmidt saying

2300
01:17:33,564 --> 01:17:34,944
that at the conference. Yes.

2301
01:17:35,244 --> 01:17:36,844
You think that, you know, it's a great

2302
01:17:36,844 --> 01:17:38,929
feature that when you type in a question

2303
01:17:38,929 --> 01:17:40,929
and you get 1,300,000

2304
01:17:40,929 --> 01:17:41,429
responses,

2305
01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:43,729
which as Truth three Media showed is total

2306
01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:45,729
baloney because once you click through five pages,

2307
01:17:45,729 --> 01:17:47,590
it'll go no more. But anyway,

2308
01:17:48,529 --> 01:17:49,969
you think that's a feature. No. That's a

2309
01:17:49,969 --> 01:17:52,824
bug. There should be one response to any

2310
01:17:52,824 --> 01:17:54,904
query. And it should be exactly the information

2311
01:17:54,904 --> 01:17:55,724
that you need,

2312
01:17:56,024 --> 01:17:58,185
by which he means the exact information we

2313
01:17:58,185 --> 01:18:00,904
feel that you need about any given search.

2314
01:18:00,904 --> 01:18:03,465
So yes, that is that. That is the

2315
01:18:03,465 --> 01:18:05,145
end goal. And that's how we're starting to

2316
01:18:05,145 --> 01:18:06,284
be funneled towards

2317
01:18:06,619 --> 01:18:08,079
this idea of AI

2318
01:18:08,460 --> 01:18:08,960
controlling,

2319
01:18:10,220 --> 01:18:12,060
the information we get. And this is why

2320
01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:14,640
I think that ultimately all of the details

2321
01:18:14,780 --> 01:18:16,699
of how we use this or that program

2322
01:18:16,699 --> 01:18:18,939
or what, you know, it's kind of whistling

2323
01:18:18,939 --> 01:18:21,199
past the graveyard because this is the existential

2324
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,184
threat to to humanity itself.

2325
01:18:23,804 --> 01:18:25,744
I keep going back to the selfish ledger.

2326
01:18:25,965 --> 01:18:27,484
I'm sure everyone in this panel knows it.

2327
01:18:27,484 --> 01:18:29,724
But for anyone who doesn't, go look up

2328
01:18:29,724 --> 01:18:32,545
the selfish ledger, which is Google's own internal

2329
01:18:32,604 --> 01:18:35,564
idea of how you cannot just shape a

2330
01:18:35,564 --> 01:18:38,640
person's life, but ultimately you will shape the

2331
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,900
species, the human species itself

2332
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,600
in ways that people can barely even begin

2333
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,520
to understand. And when you see the the

2334
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,760
things, the wild things they were imagining back

2335
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,159
in 2016 or whenever they created that video

2336
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,784
about how the AI will be able to

2337
01:18:53,005 --> 01:18:55,085
determine that, oh, you need to you need

2338
01:18:55,085 --> 01:18:57,484
to be more active in your lifestyle. So

2339
01:18:57,484 --> 01:19:00,284
it will engineer and design a specific sneaker

2340
01:19:00,284 --> 01:19:02,204
that it will know that you would be

2341
01:19:02,204 --> 01:19:04,125
the type of person to purchase because it

2342
01:19:04,125 --> 01:19:06,500
looks cool or whatever. And so it would

2343
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:08,819
then algorithmically float that to the top of

2344
01:19:08,819 --> 01:19:10,260
your feed so that you will buy that

2345
01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:11,960
sneaker so that you will start running.

2346
01:19:12,500 --> 01:19:14,420
It's a wonderful thing. It can engineer your

2347
01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:15,939
life in ways that you don't even know

2348
01:19:15,939 --> 01:19:16,680
are happening.

2349
01:19:17,060 --> 01:19:19,475
That is the direction we're heading. And the

2350
01:19:19,475 --> 01:19:21,655
long term, as Google itself states,

2351
01:19:22,114 --> 01:19:24,755
ultimately, that starts to shape the entire direction

2352
01:19:24,755 --> 01:19:27,234
of the human species itself. And they're steering

2353
01:19:27,234 --> 01:19:28,375
us towards the transhuman

2354
01:19:28,675 --> 01:19:29,175
nightmare.

2355
01:19:29,954 --> 01:19:32,435
That's the big, big, big, big picture of

2356
01:19:32,435 --> 01:19:34,329
this. And I get every single person is

2357
01:19:34,329 --> 01:19:36,590
just making their own personal individual choices

2358
01:19:36,970 --> 01:19:39,050
on a day to day basis and not

2359
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:42,090
not necessarily playing into that huge, big agenda,

2360
01:19:42,090 --> 01:19:43,689
but it's all part of that. And that's

2361
01:19:43,689 --> 01:19:45,449
where we're going. That's why we need to

2362
01:19:45,449 --> 01:19:46,670
be concerned about this.

2363
01:19:47,025 --> 01:19:49,265
Well, to piggyback on that a little bit,

2364
01:19:49,265 --> 01:19:50,485
we've been doing a

2365
01:19:51,425 --> 01:19:53,125
number of stories on the show.

2366
01:19:53,824 --> 01:19:55,505
I mean, going back a couple of years,

2367
01:19:55,505 --> 01:19:56,805
but more and more recently

2368
01:19:57,345 --> 01:20:00,005
about, the number of people that are developing

2369
01:20:00,670 --> 01:20:01,729
deep emotional

2370
01:20:02,109 --> 01:20:02,609
attachments

2371
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:05,890
to their AI agents,

2372
01:20:06,510 --> 01:20:09,090
the variety of them. Think it's very interesting

2373
01:20:09,149 --> 01:20:11,649
that they're called agents. That's a different conversation.

2374
01:20:13,425 --> 01:20:16,725
But, it's the the almost, like,

2375
01:20:17,185 --> 01:20:18,965
pseudo spiritual bond

2376
01:20:19,505 --> 01:20:22,465
that people are developing with this that's an

2377
01:20:22,465 --> 01:20:22,965
entirely

2378
01:20:23,345 --> 01:20:24,484
separate but

2379
01:20:24,784 --> 01:20:25,284
completely

2380
01:20:25,744 --> 01:20:26,564
part of,

2381
01:20:26,909 --> 01:20:27,890
in my opinion,

2382
01:20:28,350 --> 01:20:30,050
the overall AI agenda

2383
01:20:30,429 --> 01:20:33,949
is the development of these deep emotional and

2384
01:20:33,949 --> 01:20:35,489
quasi spiritual connections

2385
01:20:36,029 --> 01:20:36,850
with this

2386
01:20:37,789 --> 01:20:39,329
freaking algorithm generator.

2387
01:20:41,114 --> 01:20:43,435
Well, on James's point about the and and

2388
01:20:43,435 --> 01:20:44,795
as well as what Steve added to it,

2389
01:20:44,795 --> 01:20:47,435
like, the larger, you know, long term problem.

2390
01:20:47,435 --> 01:20:48,635
And, you know, I think what we've a

2391
01:20:48,635 --> 01:20:50,154
lot of talked about today has been some

2392
01:20:50,154 --> 01:20:51,435
of the stuff that I think the average

2393
01:20:51,435 --> 01:20:52,954
person might jump into and just be like,

2394
01:20:52,954 --> 01:20:54,720
this is this is crazy. Right? You know?

2395
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,400
Not not not wanna hear more, getting some

2396
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,000
feedback, guys. Not wanna hear more about it

2397
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,520
because it seems like it's abstract or it's

2398
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,360
twenty, you know, twenty years down the line.

2399
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,960
And so what's important, I think, is to

2400
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,880
bring it back to something that is very

2401
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,320
real that we all live through that we

2402
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:07,840
can see how it's already applying in our

2403
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,625
lives right now. And I would eventually like

2404
01:21:09,625 --> 01:21:10,664
to get to some of the more abstract

2405
01:21:10,664 --> 01:21:11,864
things that I know Jason would like to

2406
01:21:11,864 --> 01:21:13,305
talk about as well, like the really deep

2407
01:21:13,305 --> 01:21:14,744
crazy stuff we can get into. But I

2408
01:21:14,744 --> 01:21:16,104
think this is an easy one for the

2409
01:21:16,104 --> 01:21:18,024
average person to wrap their mind around. Right?

2410
01:21:18,024 --> 01:21:19,545
So right now, this is happening. This is

2411
01:21:19,545 --> 01:21:20,045
January

2412
01:21:20,345 --> 01:21:22,920
this is Trump's administration going forward. Considerations and

2413
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,520
and for those listening know that my opinion,

2414
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,380
it's just the US government. It's not partisan.

2415
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,760
Considerations for the use of artificial intelligence to

2416
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,500
support regulatory decision making for drug and biological

2417
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,079
products. And this is just one of the

2418
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:35,800
many in the FDA about the regulatory decision

2419
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,515
making side of it. Also, we do know

2420
01:21:37,515 --> 01:21:39,675
that they're using AI to manufacture drugs. There

2421
01:21:39,755 --> 01:21:42,555
that is quite literally what the Stargate program

2422
01:21:42,555 --> 01:21:44,555
is that that Derek wrote about. You know?

2423
01:21:44,555 --> 01:21:45,675
And so right out of the right of

2424
01:21:45,675 --> 01:21:47,114
the gate, you can see that this is

2425
01:21:47,114 --> 01:21:49,515
contextualizing in a way that everything we've talked

2426
01:21:49,515 --> 01:21:51,750
about today, you know, one answer even, the

2427
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:53,670
point we just made about them striving to

2428
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:55,430
get the one solution or the one answer,

2429
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:57,109
which we already know that the one thing

2430
01:21:57,109 --> 01:21:58,550
they told you, the safe and effective thing

2431
01:21:58,550 --> 01:22:00,310
they swore was good was wrong. So were

2432
01:22:00,310 --> 01:22:01,909
they wrong? Were they used AI? And Brooke

2433
01:22:01,909 --> 01:22:03,510
Jackson has been making a great point about

2434
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:05,335
this as well, really trying to ring this

2435
01:22:05,335 --> 01:22:07,734
bell about we should be pulling everything right

2436
01:22:07,734 --> 01:22:08,935
now that they're using in this way. It

2437
01:22:08,935 --> 01:22:10,854
makes the point that even in 2020 with

2438
01:22:10,854 --> 01:22:12,935
the injections that were killing everybody and still

2439
01:22:12,935 --> 01:22:14,935
are, they used AI in that process. And

2440
01:22:14,935 --> 01:22:16,454
now the FDA has got it down to

2441
01:22:16,454 --> 01:22:18,779
six minutes for this process. That's where we

2442
01:22:18,779 --> 01:22:20,139
are right now. And so I just wanna

2443
01:22:20,139 --> 01:22:22,539
set that conversation out there because medicine and

2444
01:22:22,539 --> 01:22:23,819
how it's being used and whether they could

2445
01:22:23,819 --> 01:22:25,500
just be wrong, I think, is an easy

2446
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:27,099
thing for the average person to recognize the

2447
01:22:27,099 --> 01:22:28,460
risk from. So what are your guys' thoughts

2448
01:22:28,460 --> 01:22:30,219
on that? Ryan, I do wanna get into

2449
01:22:30,219 --> 01:22:32,219
some of the weird or more, esoteric stuff.

2450
01:22:32,219 --> 01:22:33,659
But, James, I wanted to ask you just

2451
01:22:33,659 --> 01:22:35,324
to follow-up with what you said. Do you

2452
01:22:35,324 --> 01:22:37,644
think there's any separating the use of AI

2453
01:22:37,644 --> 01:22:38,545
from the transhumanism

2454
01:22:38,925 --> 01:22:41,085
endgame? Or like you were kinda, I think,

2455
01:22:41,085 --> 01:22:42,844
already alluding to, like, even in our small

2456
01:22:42,844 --> 01:22:45,024
ways that we use it for convenience for

2457
01:22:45,244 --> 01:22:47,984
Photoshop or for translation services or transcribing,

2458
01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:50,260
We're still feeding the beast in in the

2459
01:22:50,260 --> 01:22:51,079
bigger picture.

2460
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:54,679
What's the meme that's going around these days?

2461
01:22:54,819 --> 01:22:57,539
Sarah Connor smoking, and it's like, Sarah Connor,

2462
01:22:57,539 --> 01:23:00,179
every time you use AI. Right? Like oh,

2463
01:23:00,179 --> 01:23:01,319
god. You know?

2464
01:23:01,914 --> 01:23:03,215
You know? How much

2465
01:23:03,994 --> 01:23:06,395
right. Again, my I'm just I'm just making

2466
01:23:06,395 --> 01:23:08,395
a thumbnail. Whatever. It's not it's not the

2467
01:23:08,395 --> 01:23:09,135
end of humanity.

2468
01:23:09,755 --> 01:23:10,255
True.

2469
01:23:10,635 --> 01:23:12,734
But it is part of the bigger picture.

2470
01:23:12,795 --> 01:23:15,354
And it I think, Jason touched touched on

2471
01:23:15,354 --> 01:23:16,255
it with acclimatization.

2472
01:23:16,795 --> 01:23:19,890
Getting us used to the concept of doing

2473
01:23:19,890 --> 01:23:20,390
that

2474
01:23:20,690 --> 01:23:22,310
is training us towards

2475
01:23:22,690 --> 01:23:25,090
the future. So yes, I get it. People

2476
01:23:25,090 --> 01:23:26,930
are not thinking about the long term future

2477
01:23:26,930 --> 01:23:29,090
of humanity every time they make a funny

2478
01:23:29,090 --> 01:23:31,594
image on, you know, Firefly or something. But

2479
01:23:31,594 --> 01:23:32,875
it's part of it. It's part of the

2480
01:23:32,875 --> 01:23:35,594
agenda. And so at the very, very, very

2481
01:23:35,594 --> 01:23:37,354
least, I think people need to draw the

2482
01:23:37,354 --> 01:23:38,094
red line

2483
01:23:38,395 --> 01:23:40,795
before they step up to it. What is

2484
01:23:40,795 --> 01:23:43,034
that red line? Where is too much? What

2485
01:23:43,034 --> 01:23:44,875
point do you say no to this technology?

2486
01:23:44,875 --> 01:23:46,560
And everyone's going to answer that for themselves

2487
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,399
in different ways, but I think at the

2488
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:50,079
very least, people need to think about it

2489
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:52,800
before they get there. So so I I

2490
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,960
wanna first just jump in with what Ryan

2491
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,439
said about medicine. Obviously, I feel the same

2492
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:57,939
way

2493
01:23:58,515 --> 01:24:02,274
about trusting our medicines that we create and

2494
01:24:02,274 --> 01:24:05,554
study to AI solely as I would our

2495
01:24:05,554 --> 01:24:08,114
mental health. And, again, I with the narrative

2496
01:24:08,114 --> 01:24:10,354
management we've already seen and the entities in

2497
01:24:10,354 --> 01:24:11,734
charge, extremely dangerous.

2498
01:24:12,274 --> 01:24:12,774
But

2499
01:24:13,949 --> 01:24:14,610
you've mentioned,

2500
01:24:14,989 --> 01:24:15,729
for instance,

2501
01:24:16,909 --> 01:24:19,150
what was it, Eric Schmidt. We haven't talked

2502
01:24:19,150 --> 01:24:21,390
about Bilderberg coming up within the next couple

2503
01:24:21,390 --> 01:24:22,610
of weeks. Okay?

2504
01:24:22,989 --> 01:24:25,390
And one of the things that AI is

2505
01:24:25,390 --> 01:24:27,704
totally driven on is weapon systems. I I

2506
01:24:27,704 --> 01:24:30,045
had queued up here stories out of India,

2507
01:24:30,425 --> 01:24:30,925
Czechoslovakia.

2508
01:24:31,625 --> 01:24:34,984
They're running AI weapon systems and drones right

2509
01:24:34,984 --> 01:24:35,484
now.

2510
01:24:35,945 --> 01:24:38,024
Alex Karp, who's not a steering member yet,

2511
01:24:38,024 --> 01:24:39,704
but has been at many of them and

2512
01:24:39,704 --> 01:24:41,725
is basically a mouthpiece for Theo,

2513
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:44,139
is on the circuit at CES

2514
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:45,340
and in DC

2515
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,079
talking about these weapon systems. And then and

2516
01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:52,679
we're really talking about traditional weapon systems we've

2517
01:24:52,679 --> 01:24:55,579
already utilized moving into the realm of total,

2518
01:24:56,244 --> 01:24:58,085
autonomy. So in other words, not even the

2519
01:24:58,085 --> 01:24:59,784
guy with the video game controller

2520
01:25:00,324 --> 01:25:02,085
getting the the order and then pressing the

2521
01:25:02,085 --> 01:25:04,425
button, it's all automated. That's dangerous.

2522
01:25:04,885 --> 01:25:05,385
And

2523
01:25:05,685 --> 01:25:07,465
they've just taken Jens Stoltenberg

2524
01:25:08,140 --> 01:25:10,939
and fast tracked him to steering committee member.

2525
01:25:10,939 --> 01:25:11,760
He'd also

2526
01:25:12,140 --> 01:25:14,460
been attending as the head of NATO. He

2527
01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:16,479
stepped down from NATO. Of course,

2528
01:25:16,859 --> 01:25:18,300
he's going to be the voice and the

2529
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:18,800
advocate

2530
01:25:19,420 --> 01:25:21,340
for NATO there. And if you don't think

2531
01:25:21,340 --> 01:25:23,600
that Peter Thiel is on board somewhat,

2532
01:25:24,005 --> 01:25:26,104
if not all the way on these things,

2533
01:25:26,965 --> 01:25:29,045
you know, again, you're not paying attention. So

2534
01:25:29,045 --> 01:25:31,444
in that regard, AI is moving super quick.

2535
01:25:31,444 --> 01:25:32,264
You know, also,

2536
01:25:32,645 --> 01:25:34,264
Whitney mentioned Starlink

2537
01:25:34,885 --> 01:25:36,824
kind of as the defense department's,

2538
01:25:37,444 --> 01:25:40,260
communication system. It absolutely is. The I I've

2539
01:25:40,260 --> 01:25:42,600
gone over the papers on air. The DOD

2540
01:25:42,739 --> 01:25:44,659
has it's not even a backdoor. It's a

2541
01:25:44,659 --> 01:25:46,979
front door into all of those systems. And

2542
01:25:46,979 --> 01:25:49,380
it's not just utilized for communications in Ukraine,

2543
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:52,180
which still has the highest concentration of dishes

2544
01:25:52,180 --> 01:25:55,005
anywhere in the world, but they hook directly

2545
01:25:55,144 --> 01:25:57,864
into some of those autonomous drones, including the

2546
01:25:57,864 --> 01:25:59,324
ghosts and sidewinders.

2547
01:25:59,864 --> 01:26:01,564
And just like she said, yes.

2548
01:26:01,944 --> 01:26:02,764
They're programming

2549
01:26:03,385 --> 01:26:05,804
AI hit list overseas now.

2550
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:08,550
What's to say it's not coming here? Yeah.

2551
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:11,529
I mean, literally, guys, we had zero pushback

2552
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:15,050
on an event where we allowed the IDF

2553
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:16,250
to detonate

2554
01:26:16,789 --> 01:26:18,409
explosives in civilian

2555
01:26:18,710 --> 01:26:19,210
areas

2556
01:26:20,425 --> 01:26:21,404
across a country

2557
01:26:22,425 --> 01:26:24,824
and maybe even beyond, and no one freaked

2558
01:26:24,824 --> 01:26:26,925
out about that because they were on some

2559
01:26:26,984 --> 01:26:28,685
AI generated list.

2560
01:26:29,545 --> 01:26:31,784
Bad news, Brown. And I'm gonna drop it

2561
01:26:31,784 --> 01:26:33,725
right there and allow somebody else to speak.

2562
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:38,970
I suppose I I I would say that

2563
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:41,030
I come at this from a slightly different

2564
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:42,710
angle than a lot of people because I

2565
01:26:42,710 --> 01:26:44,789
would say I talk about messaging. Like, I

2566
01:26:44,789 --> 01:26:47,289
don't cover things. I cover coverage of things.

2567
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:49,574
And when you see a headline that says,

2568
01:26:49,574 --> 01:26:51,595
we're going to use AI to write legislation,

2569
01:26:51,655 --> 01:26:53,895
my question isn't isn't is that a good

2570
01:26:53,895 --> 01:26:57,175
thing? My question is, are you, or are

2571
01:26:57,175 --> 01:26:58,534
you going to say you used AI to

2572
01:26:58,534 --> 01:27:01,574
write your legislation? Because everybody trusts AI, they'll

2573
01:27:01,574 --> 01:27:03,655
have somebody write the legislation they want to

2574
01:27:03,655 --> 01:27:04,409
write, or they'll

2575
01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:05,470
program

2576
01:27:06,010 --> 01:27:06,750
an AI

2577
01:27:07,289 --> 01:27:08,890
to write the legislation they want to write,

2578
01:27:08,890 --> 01:27:10,090
and then they'll sell it to people it's

2579
01:27:10,090 --> 01:27:11,930
written by AI as a pretext to make

2580
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:14,510
it sound like it's fairer or somehow unfathomable

2581
01:27:14,810 --> 01:27:16,890
like a human would be. So I don't

2582
01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:19,145
even necessarily trust the AI written legislation to

2583
01:27:19,145 --> 01:27:20,824
be written by AI. I think that is

2584
01:27:20,824 --> 01:27:23,545
itself a propaganda technique. Let let me just,

2585
01:27:23,864 --> 01:27:26,185
plug one of my own work again. I

2586
01:27:26,185 --> 01:27:28,364
I recently had a podcast up on Algocracy

2587
01:27:28,985 --> 01:27:31,500
in which I played two clips from the

2588
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:34,060
exact same Joe Rogan Experience podcast where he's

2589
01:27:34,060 --> 01:27:36,539
talking to, Marc Andreessen. And one is Marc

2590
01:27:36,539 --> 01:27:38,780
Andreessen warning about, you know, in the future,

2591
01:27:38,780 --> 01:27:41,819
the combining AI and government is bad news

2592
01:27:41,819 --> 01:27:43,925
because it's gonna know everything about you. You're

2593
01:27:43,925 --> 01:27:45,284
not even gonna be able to enter your

2594
01:27:45,284 --> 01:27:47,284
house without the, you know, AI allowing you

2595
01:27:47,284 --> 01:27:49,364
and all of this stuff. In the exact

2596
01:27:49,364 --> 01:27:51,524
same podcast, just like an hour earlier or

2597
01:27:51,524 --> 01:27:53,604
an hour later, Joe Rogan's like, you know,

2598
01:27:53,604 --> 01:27:55,204
I think it's kinda crazy, but I think

2599
01:27:55,204 --> 01:27:57,720
ultimately we need AI government. It'll be so

2600
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,420
great because the algorithms will

2601
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:00,939
be neutral and

2602
01:28:01,319 --> 01:28:03,239
it'll it'll tell us what to do. And

2603
01:28:03,239 --> 01:28:05,319
exactly as Kit is saying, well, even if

2604
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,720
whether it is algorithms or not, they're gonna

2605
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,960
say it is. And it might be it

2606
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:11,500
might be Al Gore isms,

2607
01:28:12,784 --> 01:28:15,345
or whoever is actually writing the real legislation.

2608
01:28:15,345 --> 01:28:17,345
But, guys, it's AI, so you can't question

2609
01:28:17,345 --> 01:28:18,005
it. Right?

2610
01:28:20,064 --> 01:28:21,664
Ryan, can I share? Well, let me share

2611
01:28:21,664 --> 01:28:22,864
my screen real quick. I want to show

2612
01:28:22,864 --> 01:28:24,545
something in relation to what James was just

2613
01:28:24,545 --> 01:28:26,164
talking about. Yeah. I think it will.

2614
01:28:26,625 --> 01:28:27,720
Can you guys see that?

2615
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,479
So this is the Stimson Center. This is

2616
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:32,920
a name that I think more people need

2617
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,159
to dig into that, is connected to the

2618
01:28:35,159 --> 01:28:37,000
Rockefeller Foundation. They were a big promoter of

2619
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,940
the Summit of the Future last year and,

2620
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,324
obviously, the SDGs and all that stuff. They

2621
01:28:41,324 --> 01:28:43,404
released this report like a month ago, Governing

2622
01:28:43,404 --> 01:28:45,564
AI for the Future of Humanity, Connecting the

2623
01:28:45,564 --> 01:28:48,204
Declaration on Future Generations with the Global Digital

2624
01:28:48,204 --> 01:28:50,765
Compact. The Declaration on Future Generations and the

2625
01:28:50,765 --> 01:28:52,844
Global Digital Compact were two of the other

2626
01:28:52,844 --> 01:28:54,925
documents that were signed at the Summit of

2627
01:28:54,925 --> 01:28:57,140
the Future last September in New York. The,

2628
01:28:57,220 --> 01:28:58,659
the main one, of course, was called the

2629
01:28:58,659 --> 01:28:59,640
Pack for the Future.

2630
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:01,619
And I was, you know, writing about this.

2631
01:29:01,619 --> 01:29:03,220
I know James reported on it as well

2632
01:29:03,220 --> 01:29:04,979
as others. Just this is a big piece

2633
01:29:04,979 --> 01:29:07,699
of their puzzle, proposing equitable AI governance for

2634
01:29:07,699 --> 01:29:10,739
future generations through multi stakeholder initiatives and UN

2635
01:29:10,739 --> 01:29:11,239
commitments

2636
01:29:11,545 --> 01:29:12,904
from the twenty twenty four Summit of the

2637
01:29:12,904 --> 01:29:14,425
Future. So this is like a recent discussion

2638
01:29:14,425 --> 01:29:15,784
they had. I just wanted to mention that

2639
01:29:15,784 --> 01:29:18,505
that this is definitely actively on the minds

2640
01:29:18,505 --> 01:29:19,164
of the,

2641
01:29:19,704 --> 01:29:21,324
whatever name you wanna give them.

2642
01:29:22,104 --> 01:29:24,585
Yeah. And I guess just on algocracy, you

2643
01:29:24,585 --> 01:29:26,264
know, way back in March of twenty twenty,

2644
01:29:26,264 --> 01:29:28,020
I was in Spiro Skuros' show, and I

2645
01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:29,960
said, you know, COVID nineteen eighty

2646
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:32,359
four, the purpose was global algocracy.

2647
01:29:33,060 --> 01:29:34,979
And I was reading Nick Bostrom who said

2648
01:29:34,979 --> 01:29:35,560
we need

2649
01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:38,979
a world government totalitarian surveillance state where AI

2650
01:29:38,979 --> 01:29:41,265
and algorithms run the show.

2651
01:29:41,565 --> 01:29:43,085
And then two months later, I had on

2652
01:29:43,085 --> 01:29:45,565
Edwin Black who talked about the algorithm ghetto,

2653
01:29:45,565 --> 01:29:47,725
and I I'm pretty doom filled. I think

2654
01:29:47,725 --> 01:29:49,885
people know that that doesn't mean throwing in

2655
01:29:49,885 --> 01:29:52,204
the towel. You know? I will fight to

2656
01:29:52,204 --> 01:29:53,744
the death, but,

2657
01:29:54,369 --> 01:29:55,970
and and and you look around. Like, I

2658
01:29:55,970 --> 01:29:58,530
I couldn't renew my bank card, last year.

2659
01:29:58,530 --> 01:30:01,010
So I've remained I refused to get the

2660
01:30:01,010 --> 01:30:03,250
Mexican national digital ID, so I'm remaining

2661
01:30:04,289 --> 01:30:06,770
I I'm figuring things out. But, you just

2662
01:30:06,770 --> 01:30:07,829
take a look around,

2663
01:30:08,715 --> 01:30:10,654
They're they're cutting off all the off ramps.

2664
01:30:10,715 --> 01:30:12,795
For many things now, you have to download

2665
01:30:12,795 --> 01:30:14,574
the app. There's no other option.

2666
01:30:15,274 --> 01:30:17,994
And the people around us, neighbors, friends, families,

2667
01:30:17,994 --> 01:30:20,154
I mean, I look at my neighbors. The

2668
01:30:20,154 --> 01:30:21,689
the streets are strewn with

2669
01:30:22,090 --> 01:30:24,329
Amazon boxes. People can't make their own breakfast

2670
01:30:24,329 --> 01:30:26,729
anymore. They order Uber Eats. And it's just

2671
01:30:26,729 --> 01:30:27,550
kinda like

2672
01:30:27,930 --> 01:30:29,869
that critical mass that we need,

2673
01:30:31,930 --> 01:30:33,369
I don't know. I I I I don't

2674
01:30:33,369 --> 01:30:35,265
see it yet. I don't know. Well, I'd

2675
01:30:35,265 --> 01:30:36,784
like to add to that too the the

2676
01:30:36,784 --> 01:30:38,945
the concern. We were just talking about this

2677
01:30:38,945 --> 01:30:40,545
about, you know, who controls the eye point.

2678
01:30:40,545 --> 01:30:42,704
And, actually, that same point about Schmidt where

2679
01:30:42,704 --> 01:30:44,305
the one that Whitney references a quote where

2680
01:30:44,305 --> 01:30:45,425
he said in the past, I don't I'm

2681
01:30:45,425 --> 01:30:47,679
paraphrasing, basically, that we'll get to a point

2682
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:49,279
in the future, which was so many years

2683
01:30:49,279 --> 01:30:50,800
ago, where the AI will tell us to

2684
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,039
do something that is we feel is immoral

2685
01:30:53,039 --> 01:30:54,960
or wrong, but it will know better. Now

2686
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,559
that was what he was saying. That's exactly

2687
01:30:56,559 --> 01:30:58,659
the meaning. It's probably a little bit paraphrased.

2688
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:00,335
But to think about that kind of setting

2689
01:31:00,335 --> 01:31:01,775
the tone, so whether or not they then

2690
01:31:01,775 --> 01:31:03,454
just lie about that is an important point.

2691
01:31:03,454 --> 01:31:04,975
But I would like to consider right now

2692
01:31:04,975 --> 01:31:06,515
or at least throw out the possibility

2693
01:31:06,895 --> 01:31:09,215
that one of two things. Either that that's

2694
01:31:09,215 --> 01:31:11,695
what's happening right now, that DOGE is quite

2695
01:31:11,695 --> 01:31:14,199
literally some trial run of an AI system,

2696
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:15,559
which I know that's part of that is

2697
01:31:15,559 --> 01:31:17,719
what's happening, the GSII bot and these different

2698
01:31:17,719 --> 01:31:19,800
things they're using, but questioning whether it may

2699
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,279
just be an actual, you know, run for

2700
01:31:22,279 --> 01:31:24,199
that or whether that's the building step in

2701
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:26,039
this, is that the Doge dynamic is literally

2702
01:31:26,039 --> 01:31:29,114
just setting the table for AI governance or

2703
01:31:29,114 --> 01:31:31,274
government rather in some way. I think that's

2704
01:31:31,274 --> 01:31:33,114
a a very obvious and big concern for

2705
01:31:33,114 --> 01:31:34,555
us, but, you know, the same point comes

2706
01:31:34,555 --> 01:31:36,234
back to this where people will ultimately be

2707
01:31:36,234 --> 01:31:38,609
arguing, right, that that benefits their lives somehow

2708
01:31:38,609 --> 01:31:40,050
and that they trust people doing it. You

2709
01:31:40,050 --> 01:31:42,289
know? You're you're seeing Doge pop up everywhere

2710
01:31:42,289 --> 01:31:44,389
now. Russia is now implementing Doge,

2711
01:31:44,850 --> 01:31:47,810
some Eastern European countries. And so Lockstep. What

2712
01:31:47,810 --> 01:31:49,270
a coincidence. You know?

2713
01:31:51,675 --> 01:31:53,034
Well, and that all goes back to the

2714
01:31:53,034 --> 01:31:55,354
Technocracy movement. I did some reporting for TLAB

2715
01:31:55,354 --> 01:31:58,234
recently how you there's the pre Technocracy movement,

2716
01:31:58,234 --> 01:32:00,474
the efficiency movement, which actually was really popular

2717
01:32:00,474 --> 01:32:02,494
in The US out of the progressive movement.

2718
01:32:02,554 --> 01:32:04,395
We already had a department of government efficiency.

2719
01:32:04,395 --> 01:32:05,689
It wasn't called Doge, but it was it

2720
01:32:05,689 --> 01:32:07,609
was called the bureau of government efficiency or

2721
01:32:07,609 --> 01:32:08,670
something very similar,

2722
01:32:09,289 --> 01:32:12,010
almost exactly a hundred years ago. And these

2723
01:32:12,010 --> 01:32:14,329
folks were funded by Carnegie and Rockefeller, and

2724
01:32:14,329 --> 01:32:16,250
they were studying human movements. And how can

2725
01:32:16,250 --> 01:32:18,090
we make the workplace and human beings more

2726
01:32:18,090 --> 01:32:20,170
efficient? If somebody turns right instead of left,

2727
01:32:20,170 --> 01:32:22,795
maybe we save a hundred thousand dollars or

2728
01:32:22,795 --> 01:32:23,854
we save three seconds.

2729
01:32:24,554 --> 01:32:25,914
I think it all comes back down to

2730
01:32:25,914 --> 01:32:27,914
the micromanagement of humanity. And as everybody here

2731
01:32:27,914 --> 01:32:29,114
knows, and I think the majority of our

2732
01:32:29,114 --> 01:32:31,435
audience knows, the major concern is how these

2733
01:32:31,435 --> 01:32:33,614
different tools come together, whether it's UBI,

2734
01:32:33,994 --> 01:32:37,179
social credit scores, digital IDs, facial recognition, and

2735
01:32:37,179 --> 01:32:38,779
then of course the role that AI plays

2736
01:32:38,779 --> 01:32:40,460
and how that all comes together to create

2737
01:32:40,460 --> 01:32:41,359
the world that,

2738
01:32:41,739 --> 01:32:44,300
collectively we've probably been mourning about over fifty,

2739
01:32:44,300 --> 01:32:46,460
sixty years between all of us. So it's

2740
01:32:46,539 --> 01:32:48,699
I think we know what we're headed towards.

2741
01:32:48,699 --> 01:32:50,539
And ultimately, I guess for me, bringing it

2742
01:32:50,539 --> 01:32:51,814
back to personal responsibility,

2743
01:32:53,314 --> 01:32:54,835
I'm gonna just say this and let's see

2744
01:32:54,835 --> 01:32:56,854
where it goes. Like, if we, as the

2745
01:32:57,715 --> 01:33:00,594
talking heads of the independent media that a

2746
01:33:00,594 --> 01:33:02,435
lot of people look up to or inspired

2747
01:33:02,435 --> 01:33:04,515
by, if we can't take steps in our

2748
01:33:04,515 --> 01:33:05,654
own lives to

2749
01:33:05,979 --> 01:33:07,899
try to move away from the technocratic state

2750
01:33:07,899 --> 01:33:10,219
that's building, should we expect anybody else to?

2751
01:33:10,219 --> 01:33:11,500
Not that we're saying, you know, that we

2752
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:13,260
necessarily expect people to do what we do,

2753
01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:14,219
but you know what I mean? If we're

2754
01:33:14,219 --> 01:33:15,579
gonna be the ones on the soapbox and

2755
01:33:15,579 --> 01:33:17,679
we're not necessarily practicing what we preach,

2756
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:19,899
I think it's gonna be difficult to inspire

2757
01:33:19,899 --> 01:33:20,399
people.

2758
01:33:20,939 --> 01:33:22,875
So I've gotta jump in a minute, but

2759
01:33:22,875 --> 01:33:23,935
let me answer that.

2760
01:33:24,555 --> 01:33:25,375
Just like

2761
01:33:25,675 --> 01:33:27,114
I said the genie is out of the

2762
01:33:27,114 --> 01:33:28,555
bottle and just like we've kind of,

2763
01:33:29,595 --> 01:33:31,675
talked about, we're all gonna have these different

2764
01:33:31,675 --> 01:33:32,814
lines in the sand.

2765
01:33:33,354 --> 01:33:35,114
I think that there are just certain things

2766
01:33:35,114 --> 01:33:36,655
that we're gonna have to navigate,

2767
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,640
period, full stop, that are just out of

2768
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,079
our control. Now I think we should rage

2769
01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:40,979
against the machine,

2770
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,440
against the most egregious, not just talk the

2771
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:46,479
talk, but walk the walk. Right? Like, I'm

2772
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:48,720
never gonna have an AI girlfriend. I promise

2773
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:49,780
everybody here,

2774
01:33:50,344 --> 01:33:52,984
it's not gonna happen. We'll see. Not not

2775
01:33:52,984 --> 01:33:53,965
gonna do that.

2776
01:33:54,585 --> 01:33:56,824
And there are a multitude of things that

2777
01:33:56,824 --> 01:33:59,145
I've decided against. I mean, just for a

2778
01:33:59,145 --> 01:33:59,645
microcosm,

2779
01:34:00,024 --> 01:34:01,885
I made a decision long ago

2780
01:34:02,265 --> 01:34:04,824
that they're the only social media that goes

2781
01:34:04,824 --> 01:34:05,725
on this thing

2782
01:34:06,050 --> 01:34:07,649
is the x. You know what I mean?

2783
01:34:07,649 --> 01:34:09,649
And, honestly, I don't have I I made

2784
01:34:09,649 --> 01:34:11,250
an Instagram for when I was running a

2785
01:34:11,250 --> 01:34:11,750
bar.

2786
01:34:12,130 --> 01:34:15,090
Everything was bar. There's no personal stuff. I

2787
01:34:15,090 --> 01:34:15,909
have a Facebook.

2788
01:34:16,609 --> 01:34:19,435
None of my personal life. Maybe maybe once

2789
01:34:19,435 --> 01:34:21,274
a year, a picture with me and my

2790
01:34:21,274 --> 01:34:23,354
nieces. You know, I I recently visited a

2791
01:34:23,354 --> 01:34:25,755
high school friend, and she didn't realize how

2792
01:34:25,755 --> 01:34:27,034
involved I was in their life. And I'm

2793
01:34:27,034 --> 01:34:28,574
like, yeah. That's because that's private.

2794
01:34:29,594 --> 01:34:30,210
You know?

2795
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:33,250
I I also don't do any cloud, at

2796
01:34:33,250 --> 01:34:34,069
least willingly.

2797
01:34:34,449 --> 01:34:36,689
There's no I yes. I run Windows. I

2798
01:34:36,689 --> 01:34:37,829
don't run the cloud.

2799
01:34:38,529 --> 01:34:40,369
That really quickly. That's one of the most

2800
01:34:40,369 --> 01:34:42,050
important parts of this conversation, in my opinion,

2801
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:43,489
whether we try to opt out of that

2802
01:34:43,489 --> 01:34:45,125
cloud dynamic as Whitney referenced. So go ahead.

2803
01:34:45,125 --> 01:34:46,725
I just wanna be thinking And and it's

2804
01:34:46,725 --> 01:34:48,564
full. So, like, another thing that I'll do

2805
01:34:48,564 --> 01:34:50,585
with the girls that demand iPhones

2806
01:34:50,885 --> 01:34:53,145
is I will get them a larger gigabyte

2807
01:34:53,445 --> 01:34:55,045
because they'll try to ask me, oh, well,

2808
01:34:55,045 --> 01:34:56,805
my iCloud ran out. I'm like, well, you

2809
01:34:56,805 --> 01:34:59,439
got a hundred gigs left on your phone.

2810
01:34:59,900 --> 01:35:02,300
Like, stop sharing everything. And I'm trying to

2811
01:35:02,300 --> 01:35:04,539
instill that in them that there are some

2812
01:35:04,539 --> 01:35:06,539
things that are private. You know, I want

2813
01:35:06,539 --> 01:35:08,539
those moments. I I love that this device

2814
01:35:08,939 --> 01:35:10,159
you know, I can sit

2815
01:35:10,875 --> 01:35:13,454
in the back and get in high definition,

2816
01:35:13,835 --> 01:35:15,515
you know, my niece singing away in her

2817
01:35:15,515 --> 01:35:17,614
chorus. But that's for me and my family.

2818
01:35:17,675 --> 01:35:19,935
That's not for everybody else. So look.

2819
01:35:20,635 --> 01:35:23,135
I I I think certain things are inevitable.

2820
01:35:23,435 --> 01:35:25,435
I'm not a prophecy guy. We all know

2821
01:35:25,435 --> 01:35:28,220
that. But at the same time, like like,

2822
01:35:28,699 --> 01:35:30,939
Corbett said, you know, Kurzweil is not a

2823
01:35:30,939 --> 01:35:34,479
dumb guy, and that exponential growth is there.

2824
01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:36,779
So before I go out look. I'm going

2825
01:35:36,779 --> 01:35:39,579
out human too. I'm not going to alter

2826
01:35:39,579 --> 01:35:40,239
my genetics.

2827
01:35:41,295 --> 01:35:43,635
I am not going to take a Neuralink

2828
01:35:43,774 --> 01:35:46,094
in my brain, etcetera. I think that those

2829
01:35:46,094 --> 01:35:48,435
are, you know, those aren't really even

2830
01:35:48,814 --> 01:35:51,135
that far into the future. They're in the

2831
01:35:51,135 --> 01:35:53,534
now for some people. We're living it right

2832
01:35:53,534 --> 01:35:56,159
now. So I think you're right, Derek. We

2833
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,159
have to walk that walk, but we can't

2834
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:00,640
be hypocrites either. And when we are hypocrites,

2835
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,119
because we're human, and inevitably we will be,

2836
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:04,399
we have to bend the knee to that

2837
01:36:04,399 --> 01:36:06,179
and say, you know what? I effed up,

2838
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,219
or maybe my opinion changed on these things,

2839
01:36:09,335 --> 01:36:11,094
And this is gonna be an ever evolving

2840
01:36:11,094 --> 01:36:13,435
thing and, hopefully, an ever evolving conversation.

2841
01:36:13,814 --> 01:36:16,395
Why I love the Independent Media Alliance, guys?

2842
01:36:16,454 --> 01:36:18,694
Thank you so much for having me. Check

2843
01:36:18,694 --> 01:36:20,614
me out at jason bermas, b e r

2844
01:36:20,614 --> 01:36:21,914
m a s, everywhere.

2845
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:23,800
I love you guys, and I'll see all

2846
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,180
you on the flip side.

2847
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,560
Thanks, brother, Jason. Anybody else wanna just we're

2848
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,239
gonna start doing our closing round now, and

2849
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:33,239
everybody, thanks for tuning in. So we'll just

2850
01:36:33,239 --> 01:36:33,800
go around,

2851
01:36:34,774 --> 01:36:36,795
and, yeah, share some closing thoughts.

2852
01:36:38,295 --> 01:36:39,255
Yes, guys.

2853
01:36:40,055 --> 01:36:41,814
So excited to be part of this first

2854
01:36:41,814 --> 01:36:43,994
panel. It's been a really, really good conversation.

2855
01:36:45,095 --> 01:36:46,954
I just wanna close with

2856
01:36:47,649 --> 01:36:50,449
restating what's really, really important here. I I

2857
01:36:50,449 --> 01:36:52,689
think throughout the process of this conversation, I

2858
01:36:52,689 --> 01:36:53,590
became convinced

2859
01:36:54,289 --> 01:36:57,409
that AI is still leading us out of

2860
01:36:57,409 --> 01:37:00,770
the direction of, like, the real life, and

2861
01:37:00,770 --> 01:37:01,270
and

2862
01:37:01,675 --> 01:37:03,435
it is taking you farther away from that,

2863
01:37:03,435 --> 01:37:04,814
and it's a it's a pretty

2864
01:37:05,195 --> 01:37:07,114
blurry line. We really need to be careful

2865
01:37:07,114 --> 01:37:07,935
with our use.

2866
01:37:08,395 --> 01:37:08,895
Obviously,

2867
01:37:09,274 --> 01:37:11,114
with a lot of people, I'd say most

2868
01:37:11,114 --> 01:37:13,354
people who are using AI, which is all

2869
01:37:13,354 --> 01:37:14,175
the young people,

2870
01:37:14,649 --> 01:37:17,229
a really high amount of students, Gen zers.

2871
01:37:17,609 --> 01:37:19,210
I'm not sure what the future holds for

2872
01:37:19,210 --> 01:37:21,050
them, but I think we have to cling

2873
01:37:21,050 --> 01:37:23,369
even closer to our humanity and to our

2874
01:37:23,369 --> 01:37:25,689
morals and start to do things in person.

2875
01:37:25,689 --> 01:37:26,829
So I'm reinvigorated

2876
01:37:27,210 --> 01:37:29,229
on that. I wanna have some physical content.

2877
01:37:29,864 --> 01:37:31,545
The only thing I would offer to the

2878
01:37:31,545 --> 01:37:34,425
audience is you can start maybe you're not

2879
01:37:34,425 --> 01:37:36,904
even messing around with AI, but you have

2880
01:37:36,904 --> 01:37:39,305
to know that the technology you use is

2881
01:37:39,305 --> 01:37:40,425
feeding into it.

2882
01:37:40,744 --> 01:37:42,585
We've talked about Copilot a bit. We've talked

2883
01:37:42,585 --> 01:37:44,659
about the different devices you use. So I

2884
01:37:44,659 --> 01:37:45,960
have to share with you

2885
01:37:46,340 --> 01:37:48,659
my website. This is take back or tech.

2886
01:37:48,659 --> 01:37:50,659
And on this website, you can learn how

2887
01:37:50,659 --> 01:37:51,800
to install Linux.

2888
01:37:52,179 --> 01:37:55,239
There is an article here called installing Linux.

2889
01:37:55,939 --> 01:37:57,859
And if you go there, it just walks

2890
01:37:57,859 --> 01:37:59,539
you through how to install Linux on your

2891
01:37:59,539 --> 01:38:00,039
computer,

2892
01:38:00,395 --> 01:38:02,975
and you can do that. There's also our

2893
01:38:03,354 --> 01:38:04,734
project called Above

2894
01:38:05,034 --> 01:38:07,594
where we make phones and laptops that don't

2895
01:38:07,594 --> 01:38:09,515
connect to big technology. So check that out

2896
01:38:09,515 --> 01:38:10,975
at abovephone.com.

2897
01:38:11,194 --> 01:38:14,015
On this first website, it's takebackortech.org.

2898
01:38:14,340 --> 01:38:16,579
And, there are tools you can use. There

2899
01:38:16,579 --> 01:38:19,060
are alternatives that you can use that cut

2900
01:38:19,060 --> 01:38:21,720
you out completely from these big tech companies

2901
01:38:21,859 --> 01:38:24,420
where there's no line to the amount of

2902
01:38:24,420 --> 01:38:26,100
surveillance they'll collect on you.

2903
01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:28,199
As these as these

2904
01:38:28,685 --> 01:38:31,005
devices keep getting newer and newer, like the

2905
01:38:31,005 --> 01:38:33,725
Apple Vision Pro headset, these Google earbuds, there

2906
01:38:33,725 --> 01:38:35,265
are already patents in place

2907
01:38:35,565 --> 01:38:36,945
to have electroencephalograms

2908
01:38:37,725 --> 01:38:38,945
to measure your brainwaves.

2909
01:38:39,405 --> 01:38:41,485
So this is just getting started. Right now,

2910
01:38:41,485 --> 01:38:42,899
it's just generating text,

2911
01:38:43,300 --> 01:38:45,239
but they are going to wanna connect

2912
01:38:45,939 --> 01:38:47,699
AI and the ability to read your thought

2913
01:38:47,699 --> 01:38:49,779
and mind, and that's a really scary place

2914
01:38:49,779 --> 01:38:51,140
to be in. So,

2915
01:38:51,539 --> 01:38:52,359
I'm reinvigorated

2916
01:38:52,819 --> 01:38:54,819
of of, you know, what the the challenge

2917
01:38:54,819 --> 01:38:56,579
we're all facing, and I'm super excited to

2918
01:38:56,579 --> 01:38:58,520
get back into person in the real world.

2919
01:38:58,935 --> 01:39:01,255
And, yes, been a really lovely panel. Thanks,

2920
01:39:01,255 --> 01:39:01,755
everyone.

2921
01:39:02,854 --> 01:39:04,694
Hakim, I know you gotta go. But before

2922
01:39:04,694 --> 01:39:06,774
you go, let me just use my closing

2923
01:39:06,774 --> 01:39:09,574
comment to give you props. I I obviously,

2924
01:39:09,574 --> 01:39:11,939
I'm being harsh on all the AI stuff

2925
01:39:12,020 --> 01:39:13,380
as I think I should be because I

2926
01:39:13,380 --> 01:39:15,060
think this is the big picture. But I'm

2927
01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:16,979
glad that there are people like you out

2928
01:39:16,979 --> 01:39:19,619
there that are, at the very least, fighting

2929
01:39:19,619 --> 01:39:20,760
back against this

2930
01:39:21,140 --> 01:39:23,619
within the tech system, and people are using

2931
01:39:23,619 --> 01:39:25,539
tech. We are all using tech right now

2932
01:39:25,539 --> 01:39:27,685
in this conversation. So can we use it

2933
01:39:27,685 --> 01:39:29,444
more productively? Can we use it smarter? Can

2934
01:39:29,444 --> 01:39:31,125
we take control back into our own hands?

2935
01:39:31,125 --> 01:39:33,284
I'm glad that there are people like you

2936
01:39:33,284 --> 01:39:35,524
who are thinking along those lines in the

2937
01:39:35,524 --> 01:39:37,685
tech space rather than just people who are

2938
01:39:37,685 --> 01:39:39,864
looking at the dollar signs or yen signs

2939
01:39:40,170 --> 01:39:42,570
and looking for more of that. So thank

2940
01:39:42,570 --> 01:39:44,250
you to you for doing what you do.

2941
01:39:44,250 --> 01:39:46,090
Having said that, yes, we are all on

2942
01:39:46,090 --> 01:39:47,850
this journey, and I don't think any of

2943
01:39:47,850 --> 01:39:49,610
us are floating on clouds. We're all trying

2944
01:39:49,610 --> 01:39:51,789
to navigate it. And I think it's conversations

2945
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:54,385
like this one that hopefully, at the very

2946
01:39:54,385 --> 01:39:55,765
least, get people thinking

2947
01:39:56,385 --> 01:39:58,385
about what is happening right now and thinking

2948
01:39:58,385 --> 01:40:00,225
more deeply about what they are doing and

2949
01:40:00,225 --> 01:40:02,145
the ways they are contributing to the world

2950
01:40:02,145 --> 01:40:04,064
they wanna create or heading towards the world

2951
01:40:04,064 --> 01:40:05,985
they don't wanna create. And to the extent

2952
01:40:05,985 --> 01:40:08,039
that we can foster thoughts like that, I

2953
01:40:08,039 --> 01:40:09,560
think that's the value of something like the

2954
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:10,699
Independent Media Alliance.

2955
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:13,720
Thank you, James. And if anyone wants to

2956
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,760
see James Corbett using a Linux computer, put

2957
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:18,280
a c in the chat right now. Let's

2958
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:20,439
just get some c's in the chat. Much

2959
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:21,180
love, James.

2960
01:40:24,914 --> 01:40:26,755
Well, I'll go ahead and Steve yeah. Ryan,

2961
01:40:26,755 --> 01:40:28,594
go ahead. Okay. Well, I'll just I'll I'll

2962
01:40:28,594 --> 01:40:29,795
start by saying as well, I,

2963
01:40:30,435 --> 01:40:31,635
while you did that, I wasn't able to

2964
01:40:31,635 --> 01:40:33,494
actually enlarge the screen, but I will include

2965
01:40:33,715 --> 01:40:35,475
the, link to above phone down below for

2966
01:40:35,475 --> 01:40:36,800
those that wanna check it out. Because what

2967
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:38,319
he was sharing was the website and where

2968
01:40:38,319 --> 01:40:39,279
you guys can check it out. I believe

2969
01:40:39,279 --> 01:40:41,199
there's a link below as well. You know,

2970
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:43,119
for I just think as as what James

2971
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:45,039
said as well, like, this is needs to

2972
01:40:45,039 --> 01:40:47,279
be an evolving conversation. Right? This is not

2973
01:40:47,279 --> 01:40:48,880
something that we would just, like, draw our

2974
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,319
line and move forward. Right? This has to

2975
01:40:50,319 --> 01:40:52,734
be a constantly evolving conversation about how we

2976
01:40:52,734 --> 01:40:55,135
see it, adding new information, questioning everything we

2977
01:40:55,135 --> 01:40:57,135
come across. You know? And that that's really

2978
01:40:57,135 --> 01:40:58,255
the core point of this. And as I

2979
01:40:58,255 --> 01:40:59,534
listed at the beginning, you know, whether you're

2980
01:40:59,534 --> 01:41:01,074
the individual who just

2981
01:41:01,454 --> 01:41:03,215
wants to know something and decides to look,

2982
01:41:03,215 --> 01:41:05,135
it behooves you to try to look further.

2983
01:41:05,135 --> 01:41:06,414
Right? And don't just take the first thing.

2984
01:41:06,414 --> 01:41:08,610
Whether that's the encyclopedia on your on your

2985
01:41:08,610 --> 01:41:10,610
table or the or Groc online. It still

2986
01:41:10,610 --> 01:41:12,449
behooves you to look further. You know? And

2987
01:41:12,449 --> 01:41:14,130
and and and whether you're the journalist doing

2988
01:41:14,130 --> 01:41:15,650
so, obviously, that should be your job in

2989
01:41:15,650 --> 01:41:16,930
the first place, so shame on you if

2990
01:41:16,930 --> 01:41:18,689
you're just blindly taking what they say and

2991
01:41:18,689 --> 01:41:20,210
going forward. But then when it gets to

2992
01:41:20,210 --> 01:41:21,925
the government and medical side, you know, I

2993
01:41:21,925 --> 01:41:23,524
I briefly mentioned that, but I think it's

2994
01:41:23,524 --> 01:41:24,965
important that we see that this is not,

2995
01:41:24,965 --> 01:41:25,465
like,

2996
01:41:26,005 --> 01:41:27,925
twenty years from now. They're already doing this.

2997
01:41:27,925 --> 01:41:29,284
They were doing this five years ago. Like,

2998
01:41:29,284 --> 01:41:31,524
they're building things with this now. As Brock

2999
01:41:31,685 --> 01:41:33,364
or excuse me. As Brooke points out, they

3000
01:41:33,364 --> 01:41:34,725
did this with the last COVID shot that

3001
01:41:34,725 --> 01:41:36,149
are hurting people right now, and the current

3002
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:38,229
administration has rolled it down to even less

3003
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:40,390
time using AI. You and they're rolling out

3004
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:42,590
the mRNA direction. Like, to me, that's ex

3005
01:41:42,789 --> 01:41:44,469
that's not just that's not just the same

3006
01:41:44,469 --> 01:41:46,630
problem. That's expediting even faster the same problem.

3007
01:41:46,630 --> 01:41:47,829
So we need to be aware of that.

3008
01:41:47,829 --> 01:41:49,435
But the government part of it is where

3009
01:41:49,435 --> 01:41:51,375
we really worry. The social engineering,

3010
01:41:51,675 --> 01:41:54,395
the manufacturing consent that we're watching every single

3011
01:41:54,395 --> 01:41:56,475
day. Now, obviously, there's as we maybe in

3012
01:41:56,475 --> 01:41:57,835
a future panel, we'll get into, like I

3013
01:41:57,835 --> 01:42:00,074
was saying briefly with Jason, more esoteric, like,

3014
01:42:00,074 --> 01:42:01,994
incredible, like, the deep stuff that maybe is

3015
01:42:01,994 --> 01:42:03,354
only a few years away, but feels like

3016
01:42:03,354 --> 01:42:04,989
it should be thirty years away. That stuff

3017
01:42:04,989 --> 01:42:06,510
is important too, but right in front of

3018
01:42:06,510 --> 01:42:08,109
you can see how these things are being,

3019
01:42:08,109 --> 01:42:10,130
you know, bastardized, lied about, manipulated.

3020
01:42:10,510 --> 01:42:12,109
And I'll end with the same point that

3021
01:42:12,109 --> 01:42:13,389
I do think it's you know, I don't

3022
01:42:13,389 --> 01:42:14,909
think we should be trying to criticize and

3023
01:42:14,909 --> 01:42:16,765
judge each other based on lines that, you

3024
01:42:16,765 --> 01:42:18,204
know, we hold that they don't and vice

3025
01:42:18,204 --> 01:42:20,045
versa. We'll all have our things that we

3026
01:42:20,045 --> 01:42:21,965
have acceptance for or we ignore, and it's

3027
01:42:21,965 --> 01:42:24,364
just about using, you know, your choices in

3028
01:42:24,364 --> 01:42:25,645
your life and trying to do the best

3029
01:42:25,645 --> 01:42:27,005
you can, you know, be a little bit

3030
01:42:27,005 --> 01:42:28,604
better than yesterday. I think that's always the

3031
01:42:28,604 --> 01:42:31,010
point. And how we use this will affect

3032
01:42:31,010 --> 01:42:32,690
going forward, and I'm worried about how that

3033
01:42:32,690 --> 01:42:34,850
will apply with our lives very shortly from

3034
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:36,130
now. So thank you all for being here.

3035
01:42:36,130 --> 01:42:37,730
I think it's an important conversation, and I'll

3036
01:42:37,730 --> 01:42:38,470
pass to

3037
01:42:38,930 --> 01:42:39,430
Ivore.

3038
01:42:40,289 --> 01:42:42,369
Or or go ahead. Get Oh, well, I

3039
01:42:42,369 --> 01:42:43,570
just wanted to finish on,

3040
01:42:44,195 --> 01:42:46,055
on two points, really. One,

3041
01:42:46,994 --> 01:42:48,914
I think for all the people that do

3042
01:42:48,914 --> 01:42:50,994
want to use AI tools, you know, the

3043
01:42:50,994 --> 01:42:52,515
small tools we've used to buy the image,

3044
01:42:52,515 --> 01:42:54,275
I think that's okay. Because what we're talking

3045
01:42:54,275 --> 01:42:56,034
about still is just a tool. And as

3046
01:42:56,034 --> 01:42:57,475
long as you keep your eyes open and

3047
01:42:57,475 --> 01:42:58,675
as long as you are aware of what

3048
01:42:58,675 --> 01:42:59,880
it is and how it works, you can

3049
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:01,880
still use it and maintain yourself. Just like

3050
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:03,719
having a car doesn't mean you forget how

3051
01:43:03,719 --> 01:43:05,639
to walk. You don't need to not know

3052
01:43:05,639 --> 01:43:07,239
how to spell because your spell checker tells

3053
01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:08,520
you. You can use these things as long

3054
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:09,880
as you're aware of what they are and

3055
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:11,719
how they work. You don't want to fall

3056
01:43:11,719 --> 01:43:14,114
into the trap of using an argument to

3057
01:43:14,114 --> 01:43:16,434
authority, whether it's to just some random paper

3058
01:43:16,434 --> 01:43:17,335
in Nature magazine,

3059
01:43:17,795 --> 01:43:19,875
to some expert quoted in paper, or to

3060
01:43:19,875 --> 01:43:21,234
an AI. As long as you're aware of

3061
01:43:21,234 --> 01:43:23,074
an argument to authority and how it shouldn't

3062
01:43:23,074 --> 01:43:23,734
be affected,

3063
01:43:24,755 --> 01:43:26,934
you can navigate these things safely.

3064
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:29,530
I also say that because it's a tool,

3065
01:43:29,530 --> 01:43:31,530
what we read what we should, you know,

3066
01:43:31,530 --> 01:43:33,449
focus on is that the enemy here is

3067
01:43:33,449 --> 01:43:36,329
not AI itself. It is the people who

3068
01:43:36,329 --> 01:43:38,409
want to use it to harm other people.

3069
01:43:38,409 --> 01:43:40,010
I think that we're still very much talking

3070
01:43:40,010 --> 01:43:41,850
about a human enemy and not a techno

3071
01:43:42,010 --> 01:43:43,070
technological enemy.

3072
01:43:45,685 --> 01:43:47,125
I'd agree with that. And I'll just, I

3073
01:43:47,125 --> 01:43:49,704
guess, add that, we all have to keep

3074
01:43:49,845 --> 01:43:52,404
raging against the machine in in our different

3075
01:43:52,404 --> 01:43:54,085
ways. And even for listeners, you know, if

3076
01:43:54,085 --> 01:43:55,845
you haven't I remember ten years ago when

3077
01:43:55,845 --> 01:43:56,824
I was still single,

3078
01:43:57,524 --> 01:44:00,439
I opted out of the TSA scan with

3079
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:02,199
my nine eleven. It was an inside job

3080
01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:04,140
t shirt. They almost made me,

3081
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:05,420
miss my plane.

3082
01:44:06,119 --> 01:44:07,320
But now, you know, now when you got

3083
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:07,900
a family,

3084
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,100
and missing a flight could be very costly,

3085
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:12,345
I've kind of

3086
01:44:13,225 --> 01:44:14,744
thrown in the towel there, but, you know,

3087
01:44:14,744 --> 01:44:16,685
people should be throwing spokes,

3088
01:44:16,985 --> 01:44:18,265
in the wheel wherever they can. But I

3089
01:44:18,265 --> 01:44:18,664
think, ultimately

3090
01:44:19,385 --> 01:44:20,905
I think I would hope all of us

3091
01:44:20,905 --> 01:44:23,305
agree that there is that line where we

3092
01:44:23,305 --> 01:44:24,845
have to remain human,

3093
01:44:25,305 --> 01:44:27,164
organic. You know? No implants.

3094
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:29,100
There might come a time where you might

3095
01:44:29,100 --> 01:44:31,039
not be able to function in society without,

3096
01:44:31,340 --> 01:44:33,579
I don't know, some chip or something, as

3097
01:44:33,579 --> 01:44:35,739
well as not becoming a number as Patrick

3098
01:44:35,739 --> 01:44:37,279
McGoughan, you know, the prisoner,

3099
01:44:37,739 --> 01:44:39,100
used to say. So I think we have

3100
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:41,359
to just keep working towards that and hopefully

3101
01:44:41,899 --> 01:44:44,724
waking up enough of a critical mass that

3102
01:44:44,724 --> 01:44:45,704
can form to

3103
01:44:46,005 --> 01:44:48,484
to to create some, resistance. So

3104
01:44:52,404 --> 01:44:53,704
You got something, Steve?

3105
01:44:55,579 --> 01:44:57,500
I didn't realize I was muted. I think

3106
01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:59,520
people are getting closer to that her voyeur,

3107
01:44:59,659 --> 01:45:01,579
like, every day. I do. I think, you

3108
01:45:01,579 --> 01:45:02,699
know, through,

3109
01:45:03,260 --> 01:45:04,479
various obvious,

3110
01:45:05,659 --> 01:45:06,800
you know, inversions,

3111
01:45:08,875 --> 01:45:09,774
what self

3112
01:45:10,155 --> 01:45:10,655
implosions,

3113
01:45:11,755 --> 01:45:12,734
of the institutions

3114
01:45:13,034 --> 01:45:15,274
that people have been brought up to, you

3115
01:45:15,274 --> 01:45:17,215
know, look to for some sort of

3116
01:45:17,595 --> 01:45:20,395
leadership guidance advice. Those are on a, you

3117
01:45:20,395 --> 01:45:21,854
know, a a Charlie Robinson,

3118
01:45:22,395 --> 01:45:24,659
IMA member calls it in his book, a

3119
01:45:24,659 --> 01:45:25,560
controlled demolition.

3120
01:45:26,260 --> 01:45:27,699
You know, we've talked about that for a

3121
01:45:27,699 --> 01:45:28,600
very long time.

3122
01:45:29,219 --> 01:45:32,359
And as that happens, the, you know, reset

3123
01:45:32,420 --> 01:45:34,579
that is taking place is, you know, Ryan

3124
01:45:34,579 --> 01:45:36,500
mentioned we've all talked about AI in the

3125
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:37,939
form of health, AI in the form of

3126
01:45:37,939 --> 01:45:39,880
governance, AI in the form of education,

3127
01:45:40,314 --> 01:45:42,314
AI in the form of law. We did

3128
01:45:42,314 --> 01:45:43,454
a story about that

3129
01:45:43,755 --> 01:45:44,974
either today or yesterday,

3130
01:45:46,875 --> 01:45:48,795
about me you know, AI being used to

3131
01:45:48,795 --> 01:45:51,514
write legal briefs and making up entire different

3132
01:45:51,514 --> 01:45:53,934
cases and things that just never existed.

3133
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,659
I just I mean, you you know, absolutely

3134
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:57,300
disastrous.

3135
01:45:58,079 --> 01:45:59,920
And the law firm ended up getting fined,

3136
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:00,900
like, $30

3137
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:04,820
over it. You know? And probably rightfully so.

3138
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:08,239
But no. I mean, you know, we we've

3139
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:10,795
all discussed. It's it is a tool.

3140
01:46:11,175 --> 01:46:13,034
It's something that you don't need

3141
01:46:13,574 --> 01:46:14,554
all that often.

3142
01:46:14,935 --> 01:46:17,414
It's definitely something that, you know, you don't

3143
01:46:17,414 --> 01:46:19,574
need to use as soon as much as

3144
01:46:19,574 --> 01:46:22,054
you would others in your, you know, in

3145
01:46:22,054 --> 01:46:22,875
your bags,

3146
01:46:23,489 --> 01:46:25,829
anything like that. It's not your go to.

3147
01:46:26,849 --> 01:46:28,309
But you should understand,

3148
01:46:28,689 --> 01:46:30,529
you know, what it does in the various

3149
01:46:30,529 --> 01:46:32,689
ways that it can mess you up or

3150
01:46:32,689 --> 01:46:34,769
it can mess up your project before you

3151
01:46:34,769 --> 01:46:37,109
just jump in and start using it, period.

3152
01:46:37,784 --> 01:46:39,725
Yeah. That that just seems smart.

3153
01:46:42,024 --> 01:46:43,545
And I think, you know, just to echo

3154
01:46:43,545 --> 01:46:45,304
a point, I do think it's very, very,

3155
01:46:45,304 --> 01:46:47,244
very important to get together in person.

3156
01:46:47,944 --> 01:46:50,359
With that being said, our second third eye

3157
01:46:50,359 --> 01:46:52,520
carnival of the year will take place over

3158
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:54,760
fourth of July weekend in Pueblo, Colorado at

3159
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:55,899
the Blowback Gallery,

3160
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,760
owned by Jeff Nadine, who's an awesome human

3161
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,659
being. It's a fantastic space. We'll be launching

3162
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:03,659
tickets this week, I think.

3163
01:47:04,444 --> 01:47:06,385
We've been trying to get that all together.

3164
01:47:08,045 --> 01:47:11,264
And, and I you know, thanks to Ryan,

3165
01:47:11,564 --> 01:47:13,324
and everybody else who came out to the

3166
01:47:13,324 --> 01:47:16,789
one outside of Nashville earlier this year, All

3167
01:47:16,789 --> 01:47:17,610
of this stuff

3168
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:19,989
is vital. We have to take what we

3169
01:47:19,989 --> 01:47:22,789
talk about and then use that to further

3170
01:47:22,789 --> 01:47:25,829
build out and shore up our communities to

3171
01:47:25,829 --> 01:47:28,630
network with other people who, you know, think

3172
01:47:28,630 --> 01:47:29,130
similarly

3173
01:47:29,645 --> 01:47:32,204
and live similarly, not the same because that'd

3174
01:47:32,204 --> 01:47:32,864
be creepy,

3175
01:47:33,484 --> 01:47:34,385
but similarly.

3176
01:47:35,564 --> 01:47:37,805
Yeah. And then, yeah, just thanks, guys. These

3177
01:47:37,805 --> 01:47:40,625
things are are always very insightful, very informative,

3178
01:47:41,085 --> 01:47:42,804
and it's been an honor to be a

3179
01:47:42,804 --> 01:47:44,765
a part of, you know, the ones that

3180
01:47:44,765 --> 01:47:45,300
I have.

3181
01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:48,739
Awesome. Thank you, brother. I'll end us here.

3182
01:47:49,139 --> 01:47:51,380
Yeah. Thanks again to everybody who joined, Whitney,

3183
01:47:51,380 --> 01:47:53,619
who joined earlier, and, Jason, who had to

3184
01:47:53,619 --> 01:47:54,520
drop off already.

3185
01:47:55,779 --> 01:47:57,699
So I'll just take the opportunity to plug

3186
01:47:57,699 --> 01:47:59,619
my work in relation to this conversation. You

3187
01:47:59,619 --> 01:48:01,465
know, I've been thinking about this, what do

3188
01:48:01,465 --> 01:48:03,805
we do, rise of AI and stuff for

3189
01:48:04,505 --> 01:48:06,824
as long as probably everybody here, but specifically

3190
01:48:06,824 --> 01:48:08,904
trying to think of solutions as practical as

3191
01:48:08,904 --> 01:48:11,385
possible. And I don't claim to have all

3192
01:48:11,385 --> 01:48:13,225
the solutions by any means at all because

3193
01:48:13,225 --> 01:48:14,904
as we've all discussed here, we have different

3194
01:48:14,904 --> 01:48:15,404
lifestyles.

3195
01:48:16,430 --> 01:48:18,270
I'm still opting out of that the, body

3196
01:48:18,270 --> 01:48:19,630
scanner at the airport. You just gotta get

3197
01:48:19,630 --> 01:48:20,289
there early.

3198
01:48:20,670 --> 01:48:22,030
But they do try to make you miss

3199
01:48:22,030 --> 01:48:23,550
your flight. You know, we all have different

3200
01:48:23,550 --> 01:48:25,550
actions we're gonna take, but I do feel

3201
01:48:25,550 --> 01:48:28,125
like there's some ideas, specifically the philosophy of

3202
01:48:28,125 --> 01:48:30,704
agorism and counter economics and focus on parallel

3203
01:48:30,925 --> 01:48:33,164
systems and building outside of the state, what

3204
01:48:33,164 --> 01:48:34,545
I call exit and build.

3205
01:48:34,925 --> 01:48:37,005
I've been living this and practicing this for

3206
01:48:37,005 --> 01:48:40,125
years and had to make compromises, sometimes going,

3207
01:48:40,125 --> 01:48:42,399
you know, fully off the grid and so

3208
01:48:42,399 --> 01:48:43,840
to speak, and then other times having to

3209
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:45,520
come back in a little bit to, you

3210
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,059
know, make some things function.

3211
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:49,760
So it it's a struggle, and I think

3212
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,079
it's also a a process. And each of

3213
01:48:52,079 --> 01:48:53,760
us are gonna have different end goals. Right?

3214
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,000
Maybe somebody's like, okay. I need my smartphone.

3215
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:57,945
It's too much of, you know, a functional

3216
01:48:57,945 --> 01:48:59,864
tool. I'm not gonna give that up, but

3217
01:48:59,864 --> 01:49:02,024
they're willing to stop using a big bank

3218
01:49:02,024 --> 01:49:03,625
and switch to a local credit union, or

3219
01:49:03,625 --> 01:49:05,145
they're willing to stop using Google as a

3220
01:49:05,145 --> 01:49:06,905
search engine, or just whatever steps you can

3221
01:49:06,905 --> 01:49:09,225
take. Again, I call this exit and build.

3222
01:49:09,225 --> 01:49:10,960
So if anybody wants to learn more about

3223
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,119
that, you can download my free book. The,

3224
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:14,640
book is called How to Opt Out the

3225
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:19,060
Technocratic State. You can find it at theconsciousresistance.com/howto.

3226
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:21,680
And also last year, I launched a free

3227
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,000
forty five day exit and build challenge leading

3228
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,975
up to the US election. And it's so

3229
01:49:25,975 --> 01:49:27,895
it's seven weeks in a row talking about

3230
01:49:27,895 --> 01:49:29,734
this how this idea can be applied to

3231
01:49:29,734 --> 01:49:30,234
food,

3232
01:49:30,534 --> 01:49:31,034
technology,

3233
01:49:32,375 --> 01:49:32,875
health,

3234
01:49:33,255 --> 01:49:35,975
education, etcetera, these different areas, and encouraging people

3235
01:49:35,975 --> 01:49:38,215
to actually try to just implement some of

3236
01:49:38,215 --> 01:49:39,975
these ideas in your your life, even in

3237
01:49:39,975 --> 01:49:41,670
small ways. And I do think if we

3238
01:49:41,670 --> 01:49:44,390
each think in those terms, again, understanding what

3239
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:45,750
is your end goal, what does that look

3240
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:48,090
like for you, your family, your situation, etcetera,

3241
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:49,369
your financial situation,

3242
01:49:49,829 --> 01:49:51,829
and then setting those goals and then just

3243
01:49:51,829 --> 01:49:54,710
doing everything you can on a daily, weekly,

3244
01:49:54,710 --> 01:49:56,265
monthly basis to move closer

3245
01:49:56,985 --> 01:49:58,744
to those goals. For me, that's getting land,

3246
01:49:58,744 --> 01:50:00,664
living with like minded people, trying to grow

3247
01:50:00,664 --> 01:50:02,345
food, but I don't think everybody needs to

3248
01:50:02,345 --> 01:50:03,545
be a farmer, but we do need to

3249
01:50:03,545 --> 01:50:05,064
be aware. If you don't want their twenty,

3250
01:50:05,064 --> 01:50:05,564
thirty

3251
01:50:05,864 --> 01:50:08,265
AI governance future, then what do you want?

3252
01:50:08,265 --> 01:50:09,945
And put all your energy into that and

3253
01:50:09,945 --> 01:50:11,864
don't let anything stand in the way. So

3254
01:50:11,864 --> 01:50:13,539
I'm really grateful for everybody here and for

3255
01:50:13,539 --> 01:50:15,779
all the the thoughts and to know that

3256
01:50:15,779 --> 01:50:16,979
we have such a you know, this is

3257
01:50:16,979 --> 01:50:19,060
truly an alliance. It's a people coming together.

3258
01:50:19,060 --> 01:50:20,420
We're not all on the same page about

3259
01:50:20,420 --> 01:50:21,560
everything, but we recognize

3260
01:50:22,020 --> 01:50:24,020
the value in in collaborating and supporting each

3261
01:50:24,020 --> 01:50:25,619
other. So I look forward to many more

3262
01:50:25,619 --> 01:50:27,645
of these. And, Ryan, I'll let you close

3263
01:50:27,645 --> 01:50:29,484
it out, brother. Oh, I think you did.

3264
01:50:29,484 --> 01:50:31,164
I think it was well. Perfect ending, brother.

3265
01:50:31,164 --> 01:50:32,364
So I we'll leave it with that, and

3266
01:50:32,364 --> 01:50:34,524
I'll actually leave you with the, I I'm

3267
01:50:34,524 --> 01:50:35,024
a

3268
01:50:35,484 --> 01:50:37,564
little promo put together, which is a clip

3269
01:50:37,564 --> 01:50:40,045
off of an amazing documentary that was done

3270
01:50:40,045 --> 01:50:42,500
around Derek, from t Snyder. So I'll leave

3271
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:43,780
us with that, and looking forward to the

3272
01:50:43,780 --> 01:50:44,600
next one, guys.

3273
01:50:46,260 --> 01:50:47,960
Oh, the Independent Media Alliance

3274
01:50:48,340 --> 01:50:51,060
is an effort by myself, Whitney Webb, and

3275
01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:53,079
Ryan Christian of the Last American Vagabond

3276
01:50:54,100 --> 01:50:56,340
to try to bring together voices that we

3277
01:50:56,340 --> 01:50:59,274
think have been sane. It is a loose

3278
01:50:59,274 --> 01:51:01,195
gathering of people that have the same principles,

3279
01:51:01,195 --> 01:51:03,614
the same mindset, the same integrity, the nonpartisan

3280
01:51:03,835 --> 01:51:04,335
objective

3281
01:51:04,715 --> 01:51:06,954
fact based reporting. Some of the voices are

3282
01:51:06,954 --> 01:51:08,635
more new. Others have been around for a

3283
01:51:08,635 --> 01:51:10,255
decade plus, longer than myself.

3284
01:51:10,715 --> 01:51:12,479
And so Derek and Whitney being a part

3285
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:13,520
of that, I think, you know, all of

3286
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,599
us together, I think it's profound. I mean,

3287
01:51:15,599 --> 01:51:17,439
I think it is it's a the time

3288
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:20,239
for this to happen. It's about, like, showing

3289
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:21,699
that these both sides

3290
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,225
are actually converging and headed same direction, you

3291
01:51:24,225 --> 01:51:26,465
know. Maybe the Democrats call for digital ID

3292
01:51:26,465 --> 01:51:27,364
because of COVID

3293
01:51:27,744 --> 01:51:30,625
vaccine passports, but the Republicans call for similar

3294
01:51:30,625 --> 01:51:32,965
things under the guise of fixing the elections

3295
01:51:33,024 --> 01:51:35,265
and fighting immigration and stuff like that. And

3296
01:51:35,265 --> 01:51:37,760
so, that's kind of been our larger goal

3297
01:51:37,819 --> 01:51:40,219
is to just show people that these two

3298
01:51:40,219 --> 01:51:42,380
different factions or what appear to be factions

3299
01:51:42,380 --> 01:51:43,840
are not on our side and

3300
01:51:44,380 --> 01:51:46,300
and just calling that out. Trying to show

3301
01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:48,619
those out there who are maybe feeling a

3302
01:51:48,619 --> 01:51:50,380
little bit lost and confused about what's going

3303
01:51:50,380 --> 01:51:52,505
on in the world, how we should be

3304
01:51:52,505 --> 01:51:55,465
looking at this false binary. The federal government

3305
01:51:55,465 --> 01:51:57,625
has been operated as a criminal enterprise on

3306
01:51:57,625 --> 01:52:01,005
a financial basis, period. This network of organized

3307
01:52:01,064 --> 01:52:04,185
crime and intelligence agencies that have essentially fused

3308
01:52:04,185 --> 01:52:06,664
their operations Like the British directly put their

3309
01:52:06,664 --> 01:52:08,840
hand, like one of those long rubber gloves,

3310
01:52:08,899 --> 01:52:10,739
right through the state department into the middle

3311
01:52:10,739 --> 01:52:12,899
of the CIA, and that's been going on,

3312
01:52:12,899 --> 01:52:15,319
like, longer than I've been alive. He is

3313
01:52:15,939 --> 01:52:17,699
convergence between east,

3314
01:52:18,260 --> 01:52:21,314
and west. Two factions of a deep state

3315
01:52:21,314 --> 01:52:21,814
competition

3316
01:52:22,354 --> 01:52:25,734
take place to steer the, the military industrial

3317
01:52:25,795 --> 01:52:27,555
complex in this way or that way. We've

3318
01:52:27,555 --> 01:52:28,774
shown you NASA,

3319
01:52:29,314 --> 01:52:30,534
artificial intelligence,

3320
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:32,180
Google,

3321
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:33,699
quantum computing.

3322
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:35,619
They are embedded

3323
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:36,500
together.

3324
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,780
I don't think we ever faced anything

3325
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:41,940
as all pervasive

3326
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:42,979
and

3327
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:44,100
totalitarian

3328
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:46,420
in its scope.

3329
01:52:46,875 --> 01:52:49,675
And they're going to go ahead and profit

3330
01:52:49,675 --> 01:52:52,154
from that until somebody takes that business away

3331
01:52:52,154 --> 01:52:54,314
from them. I love you guys. That's why

3332
01:52:54,314 --> 01:52:56,715
I make videos because I care. I care

3333
01:52:56,715 --> 01:52:58,954
about us. I care about now. I care

3334
01:52:58,954 --> 01:53:01,614
about the future. I care about these things.

3335
01:53:01,820 --> 01:53:03,900
These are these are the most important concepts

3336
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:05,900
we have as a human race. I very

3337
01:53:05,900 --> 01:53:08,460
much think the community is making waves. And

3338
01:53:08,460 --> 01:53:10,060
it's not just our community, man. It is

3339
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:11,659
people that are, for the first time in

3340
01:53:11,659 --> 01:53:13,340
their lives, finding the courage to call these

3341
01:53:13,340 --> 01:53:15,034
things out. And I think the power structure

3342
01:53:15,034 --> 01:53:16,014
is afraid of that.

3343
01:53:16,715 --> 01:53:18,234
Now what do you actually do about it?

3344
01:53:18,234 --> 01:53:20,074
That to me is always the the biggest,

3345
01:53:20,314 --> 01:53:22,715
the bigger question. Right? We can recognize that

3346
01:53:22,715 --> 01:53:25,034
they are there, but unless we choose to

3347
01:53:25,034 --> 01:53:26,014
act, then

3348
01:53:26,395 --> 01:53:27,534
they've already won.