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Welcome to the last American Vagabond. I'm happy

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to be telling you we're having Brooke Jackson

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back on today to discuss the update of

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her case, something you guys know we've been

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following for a very long time, interviewed her

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three times, I think, so far, and the

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case has been evolving since then. But as

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you remember, to avoid going back through all

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of it, and maybe Brooke will wanna get

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into it to start a little bit, but

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I think the reality is simply that she

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had called out Pfizer and Ventavia right in

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the beginning when she was a involved with

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that and ultimately proved. And I I don't

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use that word lightly. Proved with the data

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she presented, the information she has, that they

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were lying, that there was falsified information, and

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so many other things, if she would like

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to touch on it, it's up to her.

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It's obvious that they got caught lying. Now

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there's so many angles of the Pfizer conversation

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that everybody out there is aware of. All

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the different lies that were sold and and

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I and I think we can now prove

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deliberate.

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Like, well aware that they were lying for

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whatever reason you wanna fill in, And, ultimately,

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this has come to part, you know, change

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of administration now. And I see a lot

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of the similar say the same things happening,

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and I think it's important to discuss the

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update of her case as it changes over

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into a new administration

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and as we see new things like Stargate

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platforms and different mRNA shots and the conversation

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of what's changing and where it may be

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going. So Brooke is here today to discuss

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the update of the case and the current

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landscape of the health field and vaccination and

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where it seems to be going. So, Brooke,

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thank you for joining me again. How are

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you? Thanks for having me, Ryan. Good. Thank

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you. It is. It's our third interview.

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I believe it's our fourth, actually. I guess

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fourth. Yeah. Because I was I was thinking

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I was thinking so we did the first

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one where we we where you broke down

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all the original information, then we followed up

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on basically when Pfizer I think it was

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when they were in court, and I have

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that clip actually from Barnes saying that where

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they basically argued that it's not fraud if

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the government knows we're lying, like, we're working

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together. That was, like, their actual argument in

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court. Yeah. And then I think we followed

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up on just, you know, kinda catching up

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on where we were. And, you know, so

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your work has been so profound in this

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conversation, starting with the British Medical Journal,

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which, I mean, it right then showed you

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how amazing it is, how propaganda

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that basically they referred to as suddenly as

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a health blog. One of the most profound

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import you know, like, influential platform suddenly becomes

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a health blog because they dared to call

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out what you were talking about or or

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highlight it. You know? And so this has

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been such a profound

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yeah. Just a profound part of this ongoing

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conversation, and I really just wanna shout you

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out for that work because it was brave

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and clearly it has effects on your life.

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So I don't know if you wanna get

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into any of the background. Did did you

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wanna talk about it? Because my audience is

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well aware of it. If you wanted to

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give any kind of a starting, you know,

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understanding of what you went through beforehand, it's

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up to you. Sure. I mean, just just

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quickly, just in case, you know, any of

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your your new viewers aren't aware, I was

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a regional director for

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a a company named Ventavia Research Group who

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was conducting

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Pfizer's phase three clinical trial for their COVID

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And while I was there, which was a

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very brief eighteen days,

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I saw what

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this company and what Pfizer was allowing the

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company to do in falsifying data,

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not recording all adverse events that patients were

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experiencing

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during their participation

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in the study. And after,

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you know, those few weeks of trying to

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get my company and and Pfizer to do

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the right thing, pause the study, make sure

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that we exclude the data from any analysis

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safety and efficacy,

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I I I contacted Pfizer excuse me. I

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did contact Pfizer and contacted the FDA at

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the September,

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and that resulted in me

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being terminated on the spot.

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of of what I what I saw,

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doing some a a little bit of research

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and and looking at data that was coming

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of Medicine

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and viewing the

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FDA advisory committee meetings on on the emergency

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I realized right away that they they did

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not exclude my company's data.

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a product that was funded with American taxpayer

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dollars,

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I knew that I had,

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what we call a a false claims act.

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Mhmm.

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And so for the last almost five years

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now, I've been retry I've been trying to

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recover

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our our money for

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a product that's not safe and and effective.

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So there's a background.

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Yeah. Well and and remember, and this is

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really important, that this was our first this

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is our your first interview with TLAB, and

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I believe it was the first one in

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general. And all the information down below,

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you can find for yourself. It's all the

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direct source documents to documentcloud.org.

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All like, literally the the receipts that she

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came with right in the beginning that prove

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everything she was saying. And I'm still actually

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pretty blown away by how I mean, that's

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what one of many experiences I've had through

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this process of doing this for the decades.

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Yes. I have. We recognize, okay. This is

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we live in a corrupt society. Like, the

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fact that you can have exactly everything,

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receipts showing that they were lying, that they

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were covering it up, and yet nothing actually

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happens shows you everything. And then, of course,

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we followed up, and that was when more

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information came out, reveals concerns with that integrity,

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vindicating your previous claims. And then in 2023,

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we Pfizer trial reveals Big Pharma seen as

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too big to fail, which is one of

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the interesting kind of evolution or, you know,

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evolving points around it. But thank you for

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the quick Okay, Ryan. So you're right. It

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is our fourth interview. I admit I was

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Screening Pfizer how easy that is. Yes. There

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Pfizer is I mean, that that's where just

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Brooks' lawyer. So he's speaking about the case,

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and this is what he had to say.

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they could have the argument that the government's

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involved so it's not fraud. Present, Brooke Jackson,

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who is a whistleblower who exposed that the

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Pfizer clinical trials were riddled

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not only with error, but with fraudulent and

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false certifications to the US gov What's fascinating

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is Pfizer has moved to dismiss the case,

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and their grounds to dismiss as they repeated

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is that it doesn't matter if they submitted

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fraudulent certifications to the government. It doesn't matter

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if they submitted false statements under penalty of

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perjury to the government. It doesn't matter if

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they lied about the safety and efficacy of

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drugs mislabeled,

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in my opinion, as vaccines.

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them. The government knows what's going on, and

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the government still would have given them the

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check anyway. So is it really fraud if

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the government's their coconspirator?

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to the, to the case.

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gonna say that's crazy, and my hair actually

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looks exactly like Viva's tonight.

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I got it. It's it was an incredible

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defense. You know, it it's,

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to say. I've run out of ways to

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years five years later, and we're we're still

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not not just fighting against Pfizer now. It's

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Brooke Jackson versus The United States Of America.

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It's it I'm not I'm not,

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suing Pfizer now.

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that the the justice department,

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yeah, has has, you know, violated. So we

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know how to explain it, Ryan.

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mostly a hope today that that this is

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not the way the world is, you know,

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that this is not the the all the

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power structure or all the people out there

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in white lab coats or in government or

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lawyers or, you know, whatever it is where

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you're just going like, I don't wanna believe

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that it's this, like because the only way

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something like this can happen the way it

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more at least in the power structure that

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at least the vast majority are not honest.

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I mean, I don't know how else to

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see that. And so it's really a difficult

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almost a cognitive dissonance to be like, I

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then every day, we're sort like, I get

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in my shows where I'm going like, I

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just I don't understand. And I think myself,

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yeah. I do. I know what's I know

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it's like but you you wanna look for

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something that explains why it's not what it

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appears to be. You know? So it's it's

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incredibly frustrating. But thank you again for putting

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yourself out there. And and, you you know,

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comes around, especially this large of a conversation,

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you know, calling out multibillion dollar companies. But

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so let let's bring this to the point.

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So beyond all of that, a lot has

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been continuing. You've been continuing your efforts to

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call this out, to hold to assert to

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have some kind of accountability for the lies

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that you've proven over and over. In court,

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they they argue that it doesn't matter that

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our fraud's okay because the government's involved in

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essence as as even, Barnes was kind of

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paraphrasing that but that was what they actually

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argued. So this brings us to where we

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are today, where now we've seen you know,

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the argument being at least hope, I guess,

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in some minds that this was largely the

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Biden administration or that the current administration left

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or right, that they were the ones that

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were really doing this. I mean, let's remember

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that this started with Trump's Operation Warp Speed.

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And, again, I my opinion for those new

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to this is it's just the US government.

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I don't think there's a difference left and

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right when it comes to the core agendas.

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And so it was rolled out warp speed.

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It handed the baton to Biden's administration, and

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it got worse. But I look. I argued

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it would have no matter who was in

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that position. And now we have a new

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administration, and the hope is that this would

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have go would this would go in a

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different direction. I personally think we've seen kind

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of a lot of the same and even

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worse, Stargate and so on. We could talk

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about that if you'd like. But so now

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we have the point of hoping things are

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different. So let's discuss well, let's first start

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with the actual lawsuit,

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where it is today. So give us the

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updates from the last we spoke to today

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and, like, as you said, why it's now

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shifted away from the focal point it had

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and now just on the US government in

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general, and then we can get into, you

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know, what you're seeing in the current administration.

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Sure. Sure. Well, just so your audience knows,

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I completely agree with everything that you said.

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You know, I think, you know, the the

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baton was just handed off.

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I I don't,

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I mean, obviously, I follow politics, but I

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don't care one way or another. To me,

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either

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we talked about this a few minutes ago.

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It's like blue versus red. It's it's

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same team, different color.

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That that's that's kind of been my view,

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for for as long as I can remember.

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But but, you know, where where we left

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off, I guess, when you when you just

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played the the clip, that was Pfizer's argument.

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We we knew that the fraud

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existed,

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but, you know, it was okay because the

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government said it was fine. However, they Really

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quickly, even better. I think Viva Frey said

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before that that we we gave them the

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fraud they ordered or something like that, which

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is a really interesting way to think about

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it. Yeah. You know, Sasha Latifova actually did

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a today,

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you know, a talk, and that was, you

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know,

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her mic drop moment. We didn't commit or

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we didn't,

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we didn't order the fraud or however she

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explained it, but it's great if you wanna

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find it and show everybody.

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But, you know, that that was Pfizer's argument.

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The Department of Justice, after Pfizer made that

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statement,

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came in with their own statement of interest

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and actually disagreed with Pfizer,

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and wrote out,

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that while,

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our legal theory was a possible way to

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to,

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induce

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a contract,

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we didn't spell it out that way in

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our complaint.

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So

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long story real long story short,

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we were

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dismissed in district court.

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And based on the government statement of interest,

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we asked the judge to give us another

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opportunity to amend the complaint

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so we could highlight

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the word fraud or phrase fraud in the

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inducement. So our claim is that

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based on Pfizer's clinical trial, the fraud, you

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know, everything that I've claimed,

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that that that fraud

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induced

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the,

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contract

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and and, you know, subsequently the the emergency's

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authorization was given. Does that make sense? Mhmm.

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Yeah. It was a fraud in the inducement

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theory, and the government,

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under Biden at the time,

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gave us the instructions

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on how to file this claim appropriately to

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hold Pfizer accountable.

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And, oh, so that one that was when

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they this is when basically the the I

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think you put the caption

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email said that they were interested in going

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the DOJ was interested in going after Bentovia.

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Is that what you're referring to?

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So that was actually during

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the during the first,

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twelve months that the lawsuit was under seal.

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So Okay. The way that false claims act

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work,

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when you file a complaint, it goes under

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seal, and the government,

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does that so not to tip-off

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the the defendant.

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You know? So it stays under seal. No

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one's supposed to, you know, discuss,

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you know, that there's a lawsuit.

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And that's what eventually led me to to

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to seek out the

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Peter Doshi and and the BMJ and get

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this information out,

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because, you know, that that that was my

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way to inform people

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of of the way these clinical trials were

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run without revealing that there was an actual

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lawsuit against Pfizer. I just wanted people to

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have that opportunity

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to to understand.

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Yes. There were sloppy things that went on

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at at my trial

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sites, but when you understand how clinical trials

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work and when you get the when FDA

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is reviewing data, you know, these these percentages,

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although, you know, mine only represented four, three,

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two, whoever you wanna believe, percent

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of the overall study, it certainly could have

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affected,

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what,

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FDA requires to get products,

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authorized and approved. So

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that's been just an argument that I'm tired

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of having with people. If you don't understand

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clinical trials and you don't understand,

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you know, efficacy and endpoints and all these

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things that matter,

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then you can't just say, oh, it was

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just three sites in Texas. Who gives a

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And there's also much on top of that,

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which I think we discussed in one of

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the previous interviews, is it's not just well,

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first of all, as I think you argued,

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clearly, this is not just a one off

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accident. There's many different actions and choices that

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were made that signify, that indicate a much

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larger, you know, decision making process being broken

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or fraudulent or lying, whatever. But then on

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top of that is the reality that they

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actively covered it up, and you could prove

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that with what you showed. They were hiding

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and deleting things. And so there's a level

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of criminality or dishonesty

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that is clear in all that. And if

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that doesn't matter to people out there, then,

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you know, to me, people making those arguments

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are people that have a clear agenda or

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a side they're using, and they feel like

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that's brushing up against it. That's the partisan

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game today from both sides. So that's I

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agree with you completely. This matters. I mean,

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even if it even if it's exactly what

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their argument claims, how does that still not

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how does that not matter? It's still a

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level of dishonesty

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or fraudulent activity that, as you're saying, does

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could have, even a small effect, but your

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your picture

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fraud, whether it's a little or a lot,

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has no business

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around our drug approval process, period.

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So anybody defending that is immediately

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just discounted.

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Agreed. You know, we we don't we don't

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have time for for any of that.

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You know, so,

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where were we? Seal, you know, went to

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the went to the the British Medical Journal

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as a way to kinda get information to

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the public and and for them to be

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able to make a a fully informed decision.

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Right.

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And,

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my attorneys at the time told me, you

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know, you can't, you can't do that. If

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you if you tell people that there's, you

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know, that this went on or that there's

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a lawsuit, the government's gonna come after you.

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And I said, well, listen, you know, this

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was in,

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this was probably around

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September when

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the military mandates were starting to roll out.

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Y'all hear that? It's thunder.

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Yeah. I can't hear that. I like slicker

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that that's why we have some storms going

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through through Dallas, but,

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you know, right around the time that the

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military mandates

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were were being,

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illegally ordered,

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on our troops and right around the time

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that the emergency use was was

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being considered

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for adolescents, those 12 to 15 year olds.

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And my children fell within that age rate

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age range, and I I just said, you

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know, it's my attorneys.

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The the government can make as many threats

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as they want to. Let them come after

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me, but this is unacceptable.

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People deserve to know how these trials were

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run. And, you know, that that data

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belongs to us. We paid for it. We

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paid for these clinical trials. Our tax dollars

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stood.

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And I just,

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that that really just bothers me a lot.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, imagine had, you know,

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Doshi,

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shout out in general, they don't I I

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actually don't I haven't followed up. I'm curious

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what has changed in his life because of

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that. But clearly, had that not happened Nothing.

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No. It it was actually, you know, that

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I'd followed

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Doshi's,

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work,

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calling for transparency

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in clinical trials.

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Right.

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There's a whole I mean, we could talk

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for hours about,

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FDA and, you know, clinical trial failures, and

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we'll probably get into that a little bit

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with, you know, this new gold standard requirement

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for

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placebo controls and vaccine trials. But Mhmm. You

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know, it it wasn't him. It was, you

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know, Paul Thacker who did the investigation.

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Right. You know, everything that that I gave

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them was,

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you know, verified and, you know, I was

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background checked and all that good stuff. You

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know, it was a peer reviewed article. Right.

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And still, I think today, the second most

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downloaded, download downloaded BMJ article. Right. Which shows

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shows you everything. I mean, like, it's it's

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just because see, this is every time this

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happens, that shows you the average people want

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that truth. And every time it shows you,

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they're trying to keep these things away. But

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shout out to both Dacker and and and

533
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Doshi for putting themselves out there. You know?

534
00:19:02,109 --> 00:19:04,085
My point was had that not happened, had

535
00:19:04,085 --> 00:19:06,484
you followed the direction of the lawyers, whether

536
00:19:06,484 --> 00:19:08,644
right or wrong, people wouldn't even know about

537
00:19:08,644 --> 00:19:10,244
this. You know? Like, think about trying to

538
00:19:10,244 --> 00:19:12,244
fight this without having the kind of momentum

539
00:19:12,244 --> 00:19:13,845
and and following and people that are trying

540
00:19:13,845 --> 00:19:14,724
to help you. I mean, that would be

541
00:19:14,805 --> 00:19:17,049
that's that's what the government wants. You know?

542
00:19:17,049 --> 00:19:19,210
Because then then there's no real accountability. They

543
00:19:19,210 --> 00:19:20,410
can just toss you to the side. No

544
00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:21,070
one cares.

545
00:19:21,529 --> 00:19:23,930
So the whole time, it's under seal. The

546
00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:26,170
Department of Justice is telling me that they're

547
00:19:26,170 --> 00:19:27,390
investigating this.

548
00:19:27,849 --> 00:19:28,570
You know, they're,

549
00:19:30,184 --> 00:19:33,325
people that are DOJ that are considering

550
00:19:33,704 --> 00:19:36,045
actual criminal charges against Bentavia.

551
00:19:36,904 --> 00:19:37,404
And,

552
00:19:38,585 --> 00:19:41,244
you know, then I I just couldn't

553
00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:43,230
it was like they were just yanking my

554
00:19:43,230 --> 00:19:45,309
chain, seriously. And it and it was, I

555
00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:47,549
I believe, in an attempt to get this

556
00:19:47,549 --> 00:19:49,890
stuff into as many arms as they possibly

557
00:19:49,950 --> 00:19:53,150
could while keeping me, you know it's like

558
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:55,015
they were giving me a snack, and I'm

559
00:19:55,015 --> 00:19:57,335
waiting on, like, the full course. Like, we're

560
00:19:57,335 --> 00:19:58,714
gonna hold this,

561
00:19:59,654 --> 00:20:01,434
clinical trial company responsible,

562
00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:04,295
and then we're gonna hold Pfizer responsible and

563
00:20:04,295 --> 00:20:06,214
everybody else who is involved. So And what

564
00:20:06,214 --> 00:20:07,494
year are we at right now? Were you

565
00:20:07,494 --> 00:20:08,910
talking about this? What year are we at?

566
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:09,890
So this is

567
00:20:10,190 --> 00:20:11,150
2021.

568
00:20:11,150 --> 00:20:14,269
Okay. So after after the BMJ article came

569
00:20:14,269 --> 00:20:16,750
out in sep or excuse me. That was

570
00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:18,609
November of twenty twenty one.

571
00:20:19,630 --> 00:20:22,130
Very shortly after that, the Department of Justice

572
00:20:22,349 --> 00:20:23,250
made the decision

573
00:20:23,549 --> 00:20:24,049
to

574
00:20:25,285 --> 00:20:27,445
decline to intervene. So at that point, they

575
00:20:27,445 --> 00:20:28,105
were investigating

576
00:20:28,484 --> 00:20:29,144
the allegations,

577
00:20:29,525 --> 00:20:30,025
supposedly.

578
00:20:30,805 --> 00:20:34,005
They could have intervened and taken over the

579
00:20:34,005 --> 00:20:36,585
litigation of the case, the entire case,

580
00:20:37,220 --> 00:20:39,240
or they could have moved to dismissed

581
00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:41,559
the case if they felt that it lacked

582
00:20:42,099 --> 00:20:42,599
merit,

583
00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:44,440
or they could,

584
00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:47,059
or or they could have done what they

585
00:20:47,059 --> 00:20:49,480
did. And that was decline to intervene,

586
00:20:50,099 --> 00:20:51,240
which allows me,

587
00:20:51,734 --> 00:20:53,515
the whistleblower, the relator,

588
00:20:54,055 --> 00:20:56,295
to move forward on the case move forward

589
00:20:56,295 --> 00:20:57,974
with the case on my own, and that's

590
00:20:57,974 --> 00:21:00,295
what I chose to do. So they stayed

591
00:21:00,295 --> 00:21:02,075
out of it. They wanted to be updated

592
00:21:02,134 --> 00:21:04,375
on any, you know, progress that was that

593
00:21:04,375 --> 00:21:05,595
was being made.

594
00:21:05,929 --> 00:21:07,710
So we said, okay. We'll do that.

595
00:21:08,329 --> 00:21:08,829
And

596
00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:12,750
then so what is that? That's '22

597
00:21:13,049 --> 00:21:15,210
to February of twenty two, they made that

598
00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:15,710
decision.

599
00:21:16,329 --> 00:21:16,990
And then

600
00:21:17,529 --> 00:21:20,089
for the next, you know, two two plus

601
00:21:20,089 --> 00:21:20,589
years,

602
00:21:20,994 --> 00:21:21,894
I'm in court

603
00:21:22,355 --> 00:21:23,494
arguing Pfizer,

604
00:21:24,835 --> 00:21:26,454
and Pfizer's Pfizer's

605
00:21:26,994 --> 00:21:28,914
blaming it on the government and saying it

606
00:21:28,914 --> 00:21:29,815
didn't matter.

607
00:21:30,194 --> 00:21:31,634
You know, there there may have been fraud,

608
00:21:31,634 --> 00:21:33,234
but it was just a little bit. It

609
00:21:33,234 --> 00:21:34,054
didn't matter.

610
00:21:35,069 --> 00:21:37,950
And the judge isn't isn't having that. I

611
00:21:37,950 --> 00:21:40,130
feel like we were really close to,

612
00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:41,890
showing,

613
00:21:42,349 --> 00:21:42,849
which

614
00:21:43,390 --> 00:21:44,450
time did that.

615
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:46,829
You know, I I this is this case,

616
00:21:46,829 --> 00:21:48,734
I guess, has taught me, you know, one

617
00:21:48,734 --> 00:21:50,894
friendship, the value of that. Right? Because I

618
00:21:50,894 --> 00:21:53,474
made some amazing friends, you included,

619
00:21:54,494 --> 00:21:57,714
and and patience because Mhmm. You know,

620
00:21:58,095 --> 00:21:59,315
we didn't know

621
00:21:59,934 --> 00:22:02,734
everything that we know today Right. When I

622
00:22:02,734 --> 00:22:03,809
filed this lawsuit.

623
00:22:05,309 --> 00:22:08,509
So so patience is certainly something that that,

624
00:22:08,509 --> 00:22:10,529
you know, I'm I'm happy to

625
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:12,210
have learned a little bit.

626
00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:14,509
A lot a lot has come out since

627
00:22:14,509 --> 00:22:16,269
then. I mean, people, you know, I people

628
00:22:16,765 --> 00:22:18,444
I think it was clear early in this

629
00:22:18,444 --> 00:22:20,845
conversation, but even to there's so many other

630
00:22:20,845 --> 00:22:22,044
things going on the world right now. And

631
00:22:22,044 --> 00:22:23,565
every day, there's still more information coming out.

632
00:22:23,565 --> 00:22:25,005
I was just I think you just referenced

633
00:22:25,005 --> 00:22:25,505
a

634
00:22:25,884 --> 00:22:28,285
who was it? Somebody I I greatly respect

635
00:22:28,285 --> 00:22:29,365
him. I can't remember the name now, but

636
00:22:29,365 --> 00:22:31,980
he would have another oh, McKernan, but another

637
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,599
study showing that the the contamination, you know,

638
00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:36,679
and it's like every day these major developments

639
00:22:36,679 --> 00:22:38,519
from peer reviewed science and people just falls

640
00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:39,880
by the wayside. So just adding to your

641
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,559
point, like, it has only gotten more clear

642
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,639
that this is a bigger problem. Yeah. When

643
00:22:43,639 --> 00:22:46,220
they stop hiding things and and, you know,

644
00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:47,704
censoring people,

645
00:22:48,085 --> 00:22:50,244
I I mean, it's it's coming to light.

646
00:22:50,244 --> 00:22:54,085
We we are actually following the science now.

647
00:22:54,085 --> 00:22:55,944
Right. Yeah. You know, one thing that,

648
00:22:56,484 --> 00:22:56,984
Kevin,

649
00:22:58,005 --> 00:22:59,144
kinda pointed out,

650
00:22:59,809 --> 00:23:02,130
not too long ago, is that there's there's

651
00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:02,950
not a consensus.

652
00:23:03,569 --> 00:23:04,869
It's an ongoing,

653
00:23:06,529 --> 00:23:09,829
process. You know, we're always learning. Science evolves.

654
00:23:10,049 --> 00:23:11,730
That's the definition of science. Right? It's a

655
00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:14,644
never ending pursuit of truth. We I appreciate

656
00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:17,105
that, you know, and and it's okay to

657
00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:17,764
be wrong.

658
00:23:18,065 --> 00:23:20,065
It is. Right. But it it it needs

659
00:23:20,065 --> 00:23:22,244
to be okay to say that out loud,

660
00:23:22,304 --> 00:23:24,464
and that's what we haven't been able we

661
00:23:24,464 --> 00:23:26,644
haven't been able to do. Yeah.

662
00:23:27,024 --> 00:23:27,684
I agree.

663
00:23:28,369 --> 00:23:28,869
Yeah.

664
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:31,090
Well, so bringing this into, you know, so

665
00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:33,970
after 2022, really just more so, like, let's

666
00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:35,809
just say, like, around the time of changing

667
00:23:35,809 --> 00:23:37,269
over from the mid the administrations.

668
00:23:37,570 --> 00:23:39,809
So you're still fighting this. So now is

669
00:23:39,809 --> 00:23:41,730
there any more updates from that point to

670
00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:43,490
now that change before we get into, you

671
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:45,625
know, the what you know, really the the

672
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,785
the hope and the what's happened in regard

673
00:23:47,785 --> 00:23:49,144
to the new administration before we go to

674
00:23:49,144 --> 00:23:51,625
that? Yeah. Not not not really. I mean,

675
00:23:51,865 --> 00:23:54,265
you know, Pfizer Pfizer arguing that it didn't

676
00:23:54,265 --> 00:23:57,384
matter. We saying that it did. DOJ saying,

677
00:23:57,384 --> 00:24:00,150
yes. It certainly could matter. Here's what we

678
00:24:00,150 --> 00:24:02,570
would like to see you, you know, potentially

679
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:03,690
claim.

680
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:06,950
And and it's all just legal stuff. It's

681
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:08,869
like format, and they wanted us to highlight

682
00:24:08,869 --> 00:24:11,369
things, and it's just really, really dumb.

683
00:24:12,309 --> 00:24:13,369
So we did that.

684
00:24:14,404 --> 00:24:15,785
And it wasn't until

685
00:24:16,484 --> 00:24:17,384
we actually

686
00:24:18,404 --> 00:24:19,224
laid out

687
00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:21,605
the complaint the way that the Department of

688
00:24:21,605 --> 00:24:22,105
Justice

689
00:24:23,285 --> 00:24:26,164
instructed us to that they decided to make

690
00:24:26,164 --> 00:24:26,744
a move

691
00:24:27,179 --> 00:24:27,679
to

692
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:31,599
dismiss the case. That's interesting. Had since January

693
00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:34,460
eighth of twenty twenty one to dismiss this

694
00:24:34,460 --> 00:24:37,279
case if they felt that it was,

695
00:24:38,059 --> 00:24:39,119
you know, again,

696
00:24:41,295 --> 00:24:43,134
not a not a case that is is

697
00:24:43,134 --> 00:24:44,115
likely to,

698
00:24:44,734 --> 00:24:46,575
be successful. They could have done that. They

699
00:24:46,575 --> 00:24:48,414
call it merit. It didn't it's not that

700
00:24:48,414 --> 00:24:50,755
it didn't lack merit. It certainly did.

701
00:24:52,109 --> 00:24:54,829
Or you could have claimed national secure I

702
00:24:54,829 --> 00:24:56,910
mean, they could have dismissed for for a

703
00:24:56,910 --> 00:24:59,309
bunch of reasons. They chose not to. I

704
00:24:59,309 --> 00:25:01,789
think in a hope that Pfizer's big wig

705
00:25:01,789 --> 00:25:04,509
attorneys were gonna beat my attorneys in court,

706
00:25:04,509 --> 00:25:06,525
and they couldn't. We were winning.

707
00:25:07,085 --> 00:25:08,785
And and either administration,

708
00:25:10,365 --> 00:25:13,184
Biden's or Trump's, you know, they they cannot

709
00:25:14,125 --> 00:25:17,164
they could not afford discovery. Not that it's

710
00:25:17,164 --> 00:25:18,525
gonna cost a lot to get that. It

711
00:25:18,525 --> 00:25:20,785
certainly will. But what it would expose

712
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,940
would expose

713
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:24,619
either party.

714
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:26,679
Right. All of it. Is it yeah. The

715
00:25:26,679 --> 00:25:28,599
US government and everybody else included. And, yes,

716
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,440
that that's something like David Martin, for example,

717
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,640
has pointed out a lot. You know, this

718
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,720
is an all encompassing problem. And, you know,

719
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,079
so what's what's crazy to me that you

720
00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:36,825
pointed out right there is literally they say,

721
00:25:36,904 --> 00:25:38,744
do it like this, you know, to have

722
00:25:38,825 --> 00:25:40,424
whatever, to be more effective, to get more

723
00:25:40,585 --> 00:25:41,704
and then you do it like that, and

724
00:25:41,704 --> 00:25:43,304
then that's what that's what you know, it

725
00:25:43,304 --> 00:25:45,384
it it seems clear that the way you

726
00:25:45,384 --> 00:25:47,144
even explained this and based on the information

727
00:25:47,144 --> 00:25:48,764
you had to begin with and the overlapping

728
00:25:49,065 --> 00:25:51,390
ancestors' relationship with these companies and the government,

729
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:52,910
that this, in my opinion, was clear that

730
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:55,089
that was just the excuse or rather maybe

731
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:57,869
recognizing that you were gonna have more traction

732
00:25:57,869 --> 00:26:00,269
than he wanted to remove this. And so

733
00:26:00,269 --> 00:26:01,789
it just all of it's dishonest, in my

734
00:26:01,789 --> 00:26:03,789
opinion. And so here, this was a post

735
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:05,410
you put out on April 28

736
00:26:05,875 --> 00:26:08,595
where this you say DOJ claims Pfizer's vaccine

737
00:26:08,595 --> 00:26:10,434
is effective. So we're coming all the way

738
00:26:10,434 --> 00:26:12,194
back around, and now this isn't the Trump's

739
00:26:12,194 --> 00:26:14,035
DOJ. And so explain this, and I have

740
00:26:14,035 --> 00:26:15,875
the actual, document here where I'll just show

741
00:26:15,875 --> 00:26:18,194
where it says, and in the FDA's view,

742
00:26:18,194 --> 00:26:20,579
Pfizer's vaccine is effective, which, I mean, look.

743
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,660
Let's be real. Fundamentally, that's not true. You

744
00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:24,259
can prove that today with the peer reviewed

745
00:26:24,259 --> 00:26:26,019
science. So what are your just give me

746
00:26:26,019 --> 00:26:28,259
your your thoughts on that, and then we

747
00:26:28,259 --> 00:26:30,099
can go into the the point where, I

748
00:26:30,099 --> 00:26:31,779
mean, you you you say that Trump sides

749
00:26:31,779 --> 00:26:32,980
with Pfizer on this. And I think it's

750
00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:34,934
an important thing to get into and explain

751
00:26:34,934 --> 00:26:36,375
why you think that and what that means

752
00:26:36,375 --> 00:26:38,214
to the, you know, again, the hope that

753
00:26:38,214 --> 00:26:39,734
things might have been different with this new

754
00:26:39,734 --> 00:26:41,974
administration and your thoughts on, you know, how

755
00:26:41,974 --> 00:26:43,654
that, you know, contextualize that for us. Is

756
00:26:43,654 --> 00:26:45,095
Trump being played? How do you think that's

757
00:26:45,095 --> 00:26:45,750
playing out?

758
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:49,269
Yeah. So after after we filed this amended

759
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:51,289
complaint, we're winning in court. The DOJ

760
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:54,470
the DOJ comes in and says, okay. We

761
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:55,450
can't have this.

762
00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:57,795
We we have to we have to

763
00:26:58,355 --> 00:27:00,835
get rid of this case. And the way

764
00:27:00,835 --> 00:27:02,375
that they did that

765
00:27:02,674 --> 00:27:03,174
was

766
00:27:03,634 --> 00:27:05,975
based on a SCOTUS ruling

767
00:27:06,434 --> 00:27:08,134
in 2023.

768
00:27:08,595 --> 00:27:09,255
It was

769
00:27:10,434 --> 00:27:12,615
a a a False Claims Act case,

770
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,319
and you can look at it, Ryan. I'm

771
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:17,240
sure you'll want to. It's it's a case,

772
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:17,740
Polanski.

773
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:20,059
And so in that case,

774
00:27:21,399 --> 00:27:21,640
the

775
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,859
and and how the DOJ was able to

776
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,115
move into my case is by claiming that

777
00:27:28,115 --> 00:27:30,694
based on this SCOTUS ruling in Polanski,

778
00:27:31,154 --> 00:27:33,075
that the government can do whatever it wants

779
00:27:33,075 --> 00:27:33,654
to do,

780
00:27:33,954 --> 00:27:34,454
period.

781
00:27:35,394 --> 00:27:38,115
They think they have this unfettered right to

782
00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:40,194
just jump in at any point in any

783
00:27:40,194 --> 00:27:40,694
case

784
00:27:41,154 --> 00:27:41,654
and

785
00:27:42,029 --> 00:27:43,809
dismiss it if they don't like it.

786
00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:45,950
You know, this is interesting to me. Now

787
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:47,549
I it, it's important to me that this

788
00:27:47,549 --> 00:27:49,549
is not seen as a partisan conversation today

789
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:50,990
because I think we both agree this is

790
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:53,070
a government issue from all sides of it.

791
00:27:53,070 --> 00:27:55,170
But I do note an interesting shift today

792
00:27:55,309 --> 00:27:56,609
in at least the presentation

793
00:27:57,315 --> 00:27:58,755
in a lot of different factors from the

794
00:27:58,755 --> 00:28:00,755
current administration of just sort of being like,

795
00:28:00,755 --> 00:28:02,355
you know, we have the power to do

796
00:28:02,355 --> 00:28:03,954
x, y, and z regardless of whether it's

797
00:28:03,954 --> 00:28:04,454
unconstitutional

798
00:28:04,914 --> 00:28:06,994
and just, like, asserting that from an executive

799
00:28:06,994 --> 00:28:09,089
branch dynamic. And that so do you notice

800
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:11,650
difference between the shift from administrations to where

801
00:28:11,650 --> 00:28:13,009
they at least the way they're engaging with

802
00:28:13,009 --> 00:28:14,230
you like that comparatively?

803
00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:17,990
No.

804
00:28:19,169 --> 00:28:21,250
So the Sanders dismissal. They because it sounded

805
00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:22,450
as if it was more so like they're

806
00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:24,049
asserting more of an ability to say we

807
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:26,005
can get rid of whatever we want versus

808
00:28:26,005 --> 00:28:28,244
before maybe be more, you know, tactful. But

809
00:28:28,244 --> 00:28:29,365
either way, it's the same outcome is the

810
00:28:29,365 --> 00:28:31,125
point. So it's just the Yeah. Exactly. So

811
00:28:31,125 --> 00:28:32,805
so that would be the reason that I

812
00:28:32,805 --> 00:28:34,805
say no. Right? Yeah. I think the the

813
00:28:34,805 --> 00:28:38,660
goal was the same. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Well,

814
00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:40,340
so then So that was their that was

815
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:43,539
their basis for dismissal, that we have this

816
00:28:43,539 --> 00:28:46,599
unfettered right to come in to any case

817
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:48,580
and dismiss it if it if we don't

818
00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:49,125
like it.

819
00:28:50,164 --> 00:28:50,904
And, unfortunately,

820
00:28:51,525 --> 00:28:54,164
the the district judge in Texas and the

821
00:28:54,164 --> 00:28:56,505
fifth the fifth just where is that?

822
00:28:57,045 --> 00:28:57,545
It's,

823
00:28:58,085 --> 00:29:00,025
Eastern District Of Texas. Sorry.

824
00:29:00,724 --> 00:29:02,819
Agreed with the government that,

825
00:29:03,619 --> 00:29:05,380
you know, they they do have this right,

826
00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:07,559
so my case was dismissed.

827
00:29:09,059 --> 00:29:11,220
And so fast forward to where we are

828
00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:12,359
today. We filed,

829
00:29:12,899 --> 00:29:13,559
an appeal,

830
00:29:14,819 --> 00:29:16,279
with the fifth circuit,

831
00:29:16,994 --> 00:29:18,934
and we just got a response

832
00:29:19,315 --> 00:29:22,055
from the unit from the government

833
00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:24,214
just a few days ago.

834
00:29:24,515 --> 00:29:26,035
And they're still claiming I have to get

835
00:29:26,035 --> 00:29:28,214
my notes here, Ryan, because it's so absolutely

836
00:29:28,275 --> 00:29:28,775
ridiculous,

837
00:29:29,555 --> 00:29:30,694
their reason

838
00:29:31,154 --> 00:29:31,654
for

839
00:29:33,659 --> 00:29:35,679
for wanting this case to remain

840
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:37,440
dismissed. Oh,

841
00:29:37,899 --> 00:29:38,399
that

842
00:29:39,339 --> 00:29:41,259
the burdens of discovery I don't know if

843
00:29:41,259 --> 00:29:42,220
you have this up and wanna pull it.

844
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:43,899
I think you started two minute ago. The

845
00:29:43,899 --> 00:29:45,119
burdens of discovery,

846
00:29:46,664 --> 00:29:49,164
they believe the case lacks merit,

847
00:29:49,784 --> 00:29:50,284
and

848
00:29:51,065 --> 00:29:54,184
the case does not align with public health

849
00:29:54,184 --> 00:29:54,684
policy.

850
00:29:56,024 --> 00:29:57,464
So there those were their three

851
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,920
Is this in the ruling the the actual

852
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,279
the court document I pulled up? Is that

853
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:03,799
what you're referring to? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I

854
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:04,759
can pull it back up if you wanna

855
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:06,039
show it in there. But, yeah, the the

856
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,660
that's an incredible statement.

857
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,519
Right? So what the argument being on page

858
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,680
19. Right? If you'll go if you'll go

859
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,180
there.

860
00:30:14,275 --> 00:30:15,634
Elsewhere it was. Yeah. So what was the

861
00:30:15,634 --> 00:30:16,855
state read it out again.

862
00:30:18,035 --> 00:30:20,194
The burden. What'd you say? Yeah. So right

863
00:30:20,194 --> 00:30:22,054
there. So the government explains

864
00:30:23,075 --> 00:30:23,575
that

865
00:30:26,914 --> 00:30:27,599
There we go.

866
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,179
Is that The current discovery

867
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,700
and litigation

868
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400
obligations associated with the case would place significant

869
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,279
burden. You know, this argument kills me. The

870
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:38,720
idea that, like so even if it's a

871
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:40,960
this they've made similar arguments in the past

872
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,944
where, yes, this may be a problem, but

873
00:30:43,184 --> 00:30:45,105
because this or here's a good overlap to

874
00:30:45,105 --> 00:30:47,184
the the globalist dynamic of saying that, well,

875
00:30:47,184 --> 00:30:49,105
we need to stop using oil and different

876
00:30:49,105 --> 00:30:50,944
things, but we're gonna allow ourselves to do

877
00:30:50,944 --> 00:30:52,944
it because national security. Or in this case,

878
00:30:52,944 --> 00:30:54,464
saying that the burden would be too hard

879
00:30:54,464 --> 00:30:57,109
on the companies or the the FDA HHS

880
00:30:57,109 --> 00:30:58,629
Department of Justice, but we're gonna do it

881
00:30:58,629 --> 00:31:00,230
at you know, allow the bad thing because,

882
00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:01,990
otherwise, it would hurt the system that's allowing

883
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:04,789
the bad thing. Splendid my mind. Actually, start

884
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:06,890
start up a little bit. After the ROA

885
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:09,429
4 5 2 6 Dash 2 7, it

886
00:31:09,429 --> 00:31:12,044
says, first, the FDA was aware. Okay. Right

887
00:31:12,044 --> 00:31:14,144
there. You can start there. Yep. Yep.

888
00:31:14,444 --> 00:31:16,524
So they're saying that the FDA was aware

889
00:31:16,524 --> 00:31:18,384
of of what I reported.

890
00:31:18,924 --> 00:31:21,085
Well, duh. I I filed a complaint with

891
00:31:21,085 --> 00:31:22,304
them. Right?

892
00:31:22,845 --> 00:31:25,105
I I I written and I spoke to

893
00:31:25,164 --> 00:31:26,304
someone at,

894
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,819
FDA for an hour plus.

895
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,059
Let her know about everything I was seeing.

896
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,240
So, certainly, they know. But but our our

897
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,240
argument is, what did you do with that

898
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,940
knowledge? Mhmm. Did you investigate

899
00:31:40,674 --> 00:31:43,154
these clinical trial sites? Did you exclude what

900
00:31:43,154 --> 00:31:43,894
did you do?

901
00:31:44,195 --> 00:31:46,055
So they they failed to,

902
00:31:46,595 --> 00:31:48,375
give us any kind of evidence.

903
00:31:48,674 --> 00:31:49,174
FDA

904
00:31:49,634 --> 00:31:52,355
refuses to go on the record and say

905
00:31:52,355 --> 00:31:55,154
that they investigated the allegations, that it it

906
00:31:55,154 --> 00:31:55,894
it was

907
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:56,889
not

908
00:31:57,429 --> 00:31:57,929
material

909
00:31:58,230 --> 00:32:00,630
to their decision to approve the stuff.

910
00:32:02,069 --> 00:32:04,809
The government explained that it has had continued

911
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:07,750
access to Pfizer's clinical trial data. That's funny

912
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:09,750
because remember how many years they wanted to

913
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:11,994
hide that from the American people? They would

914
00:32:11,994 --> 00:32:13,454
have all gone dead by the time,

915
00:32:14,075 --> 00:32:16,315
Pfizer and FDA got around to showing the

916
00:32:16,315 --> 00:32:17,294
American people

917
00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:19,994
who who paid for these trials and these

918
00:32:19,994 --> 00:32:20,494
products

919
00:32:20,875 --> 00:32:23,914
what the evidence actually showed. Well, this is

920
00:32:23,914 --> 00:32:25,690
what's so frustrating to me about this when

921
00:32:25,690 --> 00:32:27,450
I saw this statement. We we we put

922
00:32:27,450 --> 00:32:28,650
this out on Twitter on the twenty eighth.

923
00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:30,650
You said Trump side with Pfizer. DOJ explained

924
00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:32,329
to the court that it has continued access

925
00:32:32,329 --> 00:32:34,169
to the Pfizer trial, and they're saying it's

926
00:32:34,169 --> 00:32:36,009
effective. So to me and let me explain

927
00:32:36,089 --> 00:32:37,210
let me know if you think if I'm

928
00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:38,809
off base here. It sounds like they're trying

929
00:32:38,809 --> 00:32:40,994
to argue that, you know, not without saying

930
00:32:40,994 --> 00:32:42,755
it, that, yes, the data before did look

931
00:32:42,755 --> 00:32:44,595
bad, but we've had continued access to it.

932
00:32:44,595 --> 00:32:46,275
And now we've decided because of all the

933
00:32:46,275 --> 00:32:47,875
full data that it that you can't see,

934
00:32:47,875 --> 00:32:49,634
that it is effective. Is that essentially what

935
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,595
they're trying to do, argue with that? Isn't

936
00:32:51,795 --> 00:32:54,215
aren't vaccines supposed to be safe and effective?

937
00:32:54,434 --> 00:32:56,700
Yeah. Yeah. Right. They're We exclude it.

938
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,559
That's obvious. The you know, the you know,

939
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,079
getting rid of the one that probably matters

940
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:02,679
the most in that conversation. But to me,

941
00:33:02,679 --> 00:33:04,119
it just seems like they're trying to argue

942
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:06,119
with data that now we don't have access

943
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:07,799
to that that it is effective when we

944
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,480
can literally prove to this day that that's

945
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,434
not the case. So do do you think

946
00:33:11,595 --> 00:33:12,875
so give give me your breakdown on that

947
00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:14,414
as it applies to the new administration.

948
00:33:14,715 --> 00:33:16,015
Right? So this is

949
00:33:16,394 --> 00:33:17,755
the same thing in your mind. Right? Is

950
00:33:17,755 --> 00:33:19,355
there any difference? Is there any, you know,

951
00:33:19,355 --> 00:33:20,955
light at the end of the day? I

952
00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:21,695
mean, absolutely

953
00:33:22,474 --> 00:33:24,630
not. You know, the Biden administration

954
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:27,250
had had access to the same data that

955
00:33:27,250 --> 00:33:28,150
Trump does.

956
00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:31,589
You know, I there it's the same position.

957
00:33:32,049 --> 00:33:33,190
Nothing has changed.

958
00:33:33,809 --> 00:33:35,289
Why do you think that is? I mean,

959
00:33:35,289 --> 00:33:36,930
let's in the sense of, like, look. I

960
00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:38,465
can I can be the first to point

961
00:33:38,465 --> 00:33:40,144
out that, you know or, like, everyone else

962
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:42,305
would in in the hope here that RFK

963
00:33:42,305 --> 00:33:44,225
Jr does have a lot of fantastic and

964
00:33:44,225 --> 00:33:46,705
amazing work before? I think a few things

965
00:33:46,705 --> 00:33:47,985
that if you wanna get into, we can

966
00:33:47,985 --> 00:33:49,365
that I think are wild deviations,

967
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:51,109
but I will still point to his work

968
00:33:51,109 --> 00:33:53,690
forever that was monumentally important that had a

969
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:56,710
positive impact. And so I had hope that

970
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:58,390
instilled maybe due that there might be some

971
00:33:58,390 --> 00:34:00,950
positive change, or Trump has said things in

972
00:34:00,950 --> 00:34:02,230
the past that seem to align with a

973
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:04,069
different direction. And so do you think there's

974
00:34:04,069 --> 00:34:06,375
any chance that they're they're being played, or

975
00:34:06,375 --> 00:34:07,815
there's something else going on, or do you

976
00:34:07,815 --> 00:34:09,335
think it's just you say as we said

977
00:34:09,335 --> 00:34:11,335
earlier, the, you know, you know, new boss,

978
00:34:11,335 --> 00:34:12,375
same as the old boss kind of a

979
00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:14,775
dynamic? Well, I do feel that. Right? But

980
00:34:14,775 --> 00:34:15,515
I also

981
00:34:16,215 --> 00:34:18,535
know I have I have hope, first of

982
00:34:18,535 --> 00:34:20,315
all. But I also know

983
00:34:20,799 --> 00:34:21,299
that,

984
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,119
with with Kennedy being in the position that

985
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:25,940
he's in

986
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,659
and the appointments that are being made within,

987
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:30,500
you know, NIH and

988
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,420
CDC and FDA,

989
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,339
that we will

990
00:34:35,015 --> 00:34:35,515
be

991
00:34:35,815 --> 00:34:37,195
a healthier America

992
00:34:37,574 --> 00:34:40,055
for the next few years based on what

993
00:34:40,055 --> 00:34:42,375
they're doing and the changes that they're making

994
00:34:42,375 --> 00:34:42,875
to

995
00:34:43,815 --> 00:34:47,114
what what they're able to. But when when

996
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:49,130
a product's on the market

997
00:34:49,429 --> 00:34:50,889
that they know is

998
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:53,530
it they know it doesn't work.

999
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:56,889
Right. But worse, they know that it's hurting

1000
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:57,530
people.

1001
00:34:58,069 --> 00:35:00,650
This is not something that is just gonna

1002
00:35:01,275 --> 00:35:04,474
go away once it's recalled. We're talking about

1003
00:35:04,474 --> 00:35:06,734
a product that's going to affect generations.

1004
00:35:07,434 --> 00:35:09,214
Right. And it it

1005
00:35:09,674 --> 00:35:10,815
there's no excuse.

1006
00:35:11,514 --> 00:35:13,295
So how can you have,

1007
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,360
a little bit of good

1008
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:17,240
without

1009
00:35:17,619 --> 00:35:18,599
trying to stop

1010
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,220
the bad? I I it just doesn't it

1011
00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:21,880
just doesn't,

1012
00:35:23,619 --> 00:35:25,539
it just doesn't work for me. Yeah. You

1013
00:35:25,539 --> 00:35:26,440
know? But

1014
00:35:27,164 --> 00:35:29,885
think they're they're good things. They're good changes.

1015
00:35:29,885 --> 00:35:31,405
And these people that, you know, that I

1016
00:35:31,405 --> 00:35:33,505
that I know were in in this administration

1017
00:35:34,125 --> 00:35:36,364
have been trying to get these things done

1018
00:35:36,364 --> 00:35:37,184
for decades.

1019
00:35:37,485 --> 00:35:40,125
Mhmm. You know? So maybe it's, maybe it's

1020
00:35:40,125 --> 00:35:42,719
a win for them that they're these things

1021
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,119
are happening. It's just it's a loss for

1022
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,539
the American people that other things are not.

1023
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,760
Yeah. And I just I just want I

1024
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,880
just want us to not forget that. Yeah.

1025
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,639
You know? What I think is so important

1026
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:56,000
of this is to not is to we

1027
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,945
need to pull away from the partisan left

1028
00:35:58,344 --> 00:35:59,785
right, you know, he's guilty there on your

1029
00:35:59,945 --> 00:36:01,864
you know, all that should be they obviously,

1030
00:36:01,864 --> 00:36:03,625
those are relevant things to consider. But when

1031
00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:05,465
you're coming down to something like we're talking

1032
00:36:05,465 --> 00:36:07,545
about, like, okay. So this just happened. They're

1033
00:36:07,545 --> 00:36:09,864
they're clearly going in the same direction. Whatever

1034
00:36:09,864 --> 00:36:11,864
the narrative change, whatever who maybe somebody's being

1035
00:36:11,864 --> 00:36:13,305
played, the point is it's there and it's

1036
00:36:13,305 --> 00:36:14,860
happening. Like, that's what we can all agree

1037
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:16,300
on. Right? So it should the problem is

1038
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:17,440
that we tend to try

1039
00:36:17,739 --> 00:36:19,900
to manufacture reasons to why it's different or,

1040
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:21,420
you know, this might go a different direction

1041
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:23,019
because we want to believe in someone versus

1042
00:36:23,019 --> 00:36:24,619
the other, and I just think that's dangerous.

1043
00:36:24,619 --> 00:36:26,300
You know? It is still happening. And like

1044
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:28,555
you said, like, I can understand the logic

1045
00:36:28,555 --> 00:36:31,035
behind an argument around why, you know, like,

1046
00:36:31,035 --> 00:36:33,035
from a like a trying to maybe, like,

1047
00:36:33,035 --> 00:36:34,795
a greater good dynamic for why you might

1048
00:36:34,795 --> 00:36:36,235
argue these things should be allowed, but I'm

1049
00:36:36,235 --> 00:36:37,594
not okay with that. And I'll and I

1050
00:36:37,594 --> 00:36:39,195
don't think anybody should be when we're talking

1051
00:36:39,195 --> 00:36:41,594
about something that we all know is hurting

1052
00:36:41,594 --> 00:36:43,409
people and and has continued to and that

1053
00:36:43,409 --> 00:36:45,570
we know and can prove, again, pointing at

1054
00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:47,489
David Martin's work, for example, that they knew

1055
00:36:47,489 --> 00:36:49,409
what they were doing. And so I don't

1056
00:36:49,409 --> 00:36:50,849
find I I don't think there's any valid

1057
00:36:50,849 --> 00:36:53,829
argument, moral or political or otherwise, that justifies

1058
00:36:53,969 --> 00:36:55,795
allowing that to keep being used. And one

1059
00:36:55,795 --> 00:36:57,954
more point about the liberty and freedom of

1060
00:36:57,954 --> 00:36:59,875
choice, this is a very different dynamic. If

1061
00:36:59,875 --> 00:37:01,474
this was something growing in the field, that's

1062
00:37:01,474 --> 00:37:03,954
a different conversation. This is a manufactured product

1063
00:37:03,954 --> 00:37:05,635
with US tax dollars that they're in many

1064
00:37:05,635 --> 00:37:07,875
ways mandating. So, yes, pulling that off. It's

1065
00:37:07,875 --> 00:37:09,875
like pretending arsenic being sold at stores is

1066
00:37:09,875 --> 00:37:11,570
somehow, well, it's their choice. You know? No.

1067
00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:13,489
You're killing people. You know? So that Yeah.

1068
00:37:13,489 --> 00:37:15,250
It used to be that that shift. You

1069
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:17,730
know? They're like, oh, president Trump doesn't believe

1070
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:19,510
in mandates. Well, cool.

1071
00:37:20,849 --> 00:37:23,010
But why does he believe that allowing a

1072
00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:25,349
product to stay on the market to benefit

1073
00:37:25,409 --> 00:37:28,534
who? Right. Who who who's being helped here?

1074
00:37:28,534 --> 00:37:29,355
You know?

1075
00:37:31,094 --> 00:37:31,734
They're just

1076
00:37:32,775 --> 00:37:34,694
book, I guess. You know? I don't I

1077
00:37:34,694 --> 00:37:36,394
I don't know. I don't I don't have

1078
00:37:36,694 --> 00:37:37,355
the answers,

1079
00:37:37,974 --> 00:37:40,269
for for why this is being allowed. But

1080
00:37:40,269 --> 00:37:42,289
at what point does it become the people's

1081
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:42,849
responsibility

1082
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:45,070
to actually stand up and do something? I

1083
00:37:45,070 --> 00:37:46,510
don't know what that looks like, and I'm

1084
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:49,630
not I'm not saying that we need to

1085
00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:50,610
have some kind

1086
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:52,450
of violent revolution.

1087
00:37:52,829 --> 00:37:55,724
Yeah. But but we we have to do

1088
00:37:55,724 --> 00:37:57,565
something. The people have to do something, and

1089
00:37:57,565 --> 00:37:59,664
I think all of us have a responsibility

1090
00:37:59,964 --> 00:38:01,905
to do that, whether it's, you know,

1091
00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:05,744
local government, you know, writing,

1092
00:38:06,590 --> 00:38:09,390
doing, you know, these these podcasts, what whatever

1093
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:11,170
it is, whatever your whatever your

1094
00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:13,789
thing is, just keep doing it. You know,

1095
00:38:13,789 --> 00:38:15,390
we have to we have to keep talking

1096
00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:17,489
about these things and, you know,

1097
00:38:18,444 --> 00:38:20,764
that that's kinda that's kinda where I stand

1098
00:38:20,764 --> 00:38:22,385
on Yeah. I appreciate

1099
00:38:23,484 --> 00:38:26,204
I do the things that Kennedy has done

1100
00:38:26,204 --> 00:38:27,664
over over his life,

1101
00:38:27,964 --> 00:38:29,344
you know, the things that,

1102
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,680
you know, look at, who am I thinking

1103
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160
about? Andrew Wakefield. Mhmm. You know, I I

1104
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,920
talked to him recently, and he said, Brooke,

1105
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,239
you know, maybe, you know, come and meet

1106
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,140
these people, and and maybe it'll be cathartic

1107
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,019
for you

1108
00:38:44,065 --> 00:38:45,905
to to be able to share your experience

1109
00:38:45,905 --> 00:38:47,664
and listen to theirs. And I I really

1110
00:38:47,664 --> 00:38:48,885
didn't wanna go because

1111
00:38:49,184 --> 00:38:49,925
I just

1112
00:38:50,224 --> 00:38:51,445
it's so depressing.

1113
00:38:51,744 --> 00:38:53,925
It is. And and it certainly wasn't,

1114
00:38:55,105 --> 00:38:57,505
it certainly didn't do what he thought it

1115
00:38:57,505 --> 00:39:00,039
would do. But, again, I I I'm I'm

1116
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:00,539
appreciative

1117
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:02,139
of of their

1118
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,420
sacrifices

1119
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,440
because that's what's happened. You know? They've lost

1120
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,940
careers. People have lost homes.

1121
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,059
You know? People,

1122
00:39:11,085 --> 00:39:14,204
you know, couldn't serve their country anymore because

1123
00:39:14,204 --> 00:39:16,204
they just, you know, didn't wanna get it

1124
00:39:16,204 --> 00:39:18,364
or were fired or you know, there's there's

1125
00:39:18,364 --> 00:39:20,204
so much wrong with what happened, and I

1126
00:39:20,204 --> 00:39:22,204
think one of the things that I think

1127
00:39:22,204 --> 00:39:22,704
would

1128
00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:24,929
would support

1129
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:27,789
the Maha movement if there were if there

1130
00:39:27,789 --> 00:39:30,510
was some kind of accountability for the things

1131
00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:32,429
that we know are true. We don't we

1132
00:39:32,429 --> 00:39:34,829
don't need more investigations on the origins of

1133
00:39:34,829 --> 00:39:37,204
COVID. There have been plenty of those. What

1134
00:39:37,204 --> 00:39:38,505
we need is some accountability,

1135
00:39:38,965 --> 00:39:39,945
not pardons.

1136
00:39:41,764 --> 00:39:43,545
We need we need sentences.

1137
00:39:44,244 --> 00:39:45,224
Exactly. Sentences.

1138
00:39:45,844 --> 00:39:46,344
Right.

1139
00:39:47,045 --> 00:39:47,864
And fines,

1140
00:39:48,644 --> 00:39:51,340
you know, with Pfizer. You remember there not

1141
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:53,420
too long ago, they received some kind of,

1142
00:39:53,420 --> 00:39:54,719
I don't know, dumb,

1143
00:39:55,820 --> 00:39:56,639
like, integrity

1144
00:39:57,099 --> 00:39:57,599
award?

1145
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:01,019
Yeah. That's insane. Remember that? They were under

1146
00:40:01,019 --> 00:40:04,300
a freaking corporate integrity agreement with the Department

1147
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:04,960
of Justice

1148
00:40:05,375 --> 00:40:06,434
for their crimes,

1149
00:40:06,734 --> 00:40:08,994
and then they get an award for integrity.

1150
00:40:09,454 --> 00:40:11,694
It's just Obvious. I mean, your your case

1151
00:40:11,694 --> 00:40:14,174
explains why that's happening because, obviously, this is

1152
00:40:14,174 --> 00:40:16,414
not I mean, they're they're separate things, but

1153
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,869
there's an incestuous relationship here where they were

1154
00:40:18,869 --> 00:40:21,509
watching this kind of fascistic blob become real

1155
00:40:21,509 --> 00:40:24,389
and whether it's techno technocratic or, like, the

1156
00:40:24,389 --> 00:40:24,889
technology,

1157
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:28,630
directions or medical, health. It's it's very clear

1158
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:30,949
how these overlaps are just kinda merging together.

1159
00:40:30,949 --> 00:40:32,549
And I'll I'll include this, which I've I

1160
00:40:32,549 --> 00:40:34,434
remember I pointed this out, like, every other

1161
00:40:34,434 --> 00:40:36,034
day during the midst of the COVID illusion,

1162
00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:38,034
which is and funny enough how it never

1163
00:40:38,034 --> 00:40:39,795
seems to change even though and it only

1164
00:40:39,795 --> 00:40:42,034
starts in the year February, which is more

1165
00:40:42,034 --> 00:40:44,514
than before that. A hundred and seven different

1166
00:40:44,514 --> 00:40:47,650
records on this violation tracker for Pfizer. I

1167
00:40:47,650 --> 00:40:48,930
mean and these are look. You know, what

1168
00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:50,690
it's over $11,000,000,000

1169
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:52,610
in fines, and the most important ones I

1170
00:40:52,610 --> 00:40:55,090
point out are false claims act. 22 times

1171
00:40:55,090 --> 00:40:56,769
they've been caught with false claims. You know,

1172
00:40:56,769 --> 00:40:58,530
these things should matter. You know? But to

1173
00:40:58,530 --> 00:41:00,530
your point, it's there's a relationship which protects

1174
00:41:00,530 --> 00:41:01,030
them.

1175
00:41:01,755 --> 00:41:03,835
Not just a relationship, but, you know, the

1176
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:06,074
media too. Right? And that's kind of, I

1177
00:41:06,074 --> 00:41:08,315
think one of the things that's kind of

1178
00:41:08,315 --> 00:41:11,135
revealed itself is just how complicit

1179
00:41:11,755 --> 00:41:14,094
media is, journals are,

1180
00:41:14,394 --> 00:41:15,775
you know, our own agencies,

1181
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,880
medical schools. I mean, it's just it's and

1182
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,199
I guess here's another thing to to be

1183
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,380
appreciative of is that,

1184
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:26,940
that coming to light.

1185
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:29,579
Yeah. You know? Because now

1186
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,579
now I question everything.

1187
00:41:32,184 --> 00:41:33,704
Good. And I also have a shirt that

1188
00:41:33,704 --> 00:41:35,964
says that. Thank you, Ryan. You're welcome.

1189
00:41:36,824 --> 00:41:38,824
You know, and that's kinda you know, we're

1190
00:41:38,824 --> 00:41:40,045
we're we're bonding.

1191
00:41:40,505 --> 00:41:42,204
I I don't know if her,

1192
00:41:42,984 --> 00:41:44,204
prior legal,

1193
00:41:45,304 --> 00:41:45,804
services

1194
00:41:46,105 --> 00:41:46,844
with Pfizer

1195
00:41:47,619 --> 00:41:48,119
matter.

1196
00:41:48,659 --> 00:41:50,980
May maybe maybe maybe they don't in the

1197
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:53,300
grand scheme of things. But what we've learned

1198
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,199
over the last,

1199
00:41:54,739 --> 00:41:57,000
you know, five years is that

1200
00:41:57,539 --> 00:41:59,159
we can't we can't allow

1201
00:42:00,494 --> 00:42:02,194
any kind of conflicts of interest

1202
00:42:03,135 --> 00:42:03,795
in government,

1203
00:42:04,574 --> 00:42:07,214
period, anywhere. I mean, this obviously matters. I'm

1204
00:42:07,214 --> 00:42:08,414
just I have it on the screen for

1205
00:42:08,414 --> 00:42:10,335
the podcast of of Pam Bondi and her

1206
00:42:10,335 --> 00:42:11,934
different connections and one of them being Pfizer.

1207
00:42:11,934 --> 00:42:13,214
And there's probably more. I'll dig through this

1208
00:42:13,214 --> 00:42:14,836
later. There's probably more that matters. I mean,

1209
00:42:14,836 --> 00:42:16,250
the the point to say is that this

1210
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:17,949
doesn't necessarily have to prove

1211
00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:19,610
that there's some kind of a criminal act

1212
00:42:19,610 --> 00:42:21,610
going on, but, of course, it matters. Right?

1213
00:42:21,610 --> 00:42:24,090
There's overlap to these companies, which means there

1214
00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:25,530
could be more of an allegiance there. There

1215
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:27,050
could be, you know, more of a willing

1216
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:28,489
to ignore their problems. Maybe they have an

1217
00:42:28,489 --> 00:42:29,864
offer for them after they come out government,

1218
00:42:29,864 --> 00:42:31,545
the whole revolving door, or maybe none of

1219
00:42:31,545 --> 00:42:33,224
that. But it obviously matters. You know? And

1220
00:42:33,224 --> 00:42:34,204
so it's the

1221
00:42:35,385 --> 00:42:37,304
continuation of this, in my opinion, just shows

1222
00:42:37,304 --> 00:42:38,824
that it's the same problem that never really

1223
00:42:38,824 --> 00:42:40,664
stopped. That the the different people in different

1224
00:42:40,664 --> 00:42:42,664
positions are continuing the same problem as we

1225
00:42:42,664 --> 00:42:44,744
just showed. That's just an indication of maybe

1226
00:42:44,744 --> 00:42:46,460
why. You know? And I think we can

1227
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:49,260
see that Pfizer and or Moderna or CureVac

1228
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:50,859
or all these different entities that are part

1229
00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:53,099
of it, BioNTech, are all clearly on the

1230
00:42:53,099 --> 00:42:55,339
same path. As I briefly I I accidentally

1231
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:56,539
just showed, and I'll just show it again

1232
00:42:56,539 --> 00:42:57,819
since I brought it up, that,

1233
00:42:58,784 --> 00:43:02,065
Mary Talley, Mary Talley Bowden Bowden, excuse me,

1234
00:43:02,065 --> 00:43:03,905
Bowden. Yeah. She put this out just showing

1235
00:43:03,905 --> 00:43:05,344
here's what Grok has to show you that

1236
00:43:05,344 --> 00:43:07,424
these are all the mRNA shots that are

1237
00:43:07,424 --> 00:43:09,744
in the pipeline. You know? Moderna's got 48

1238
00:43:09,744 --> 00:43:10,864
of them. And that's not to say the

1239
00:43:10,864 --> 00:43:12,510
government's involved with all of them, but I

1240
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:14,269
think we know that there are government contracts

1241
00:43:14,269 --> 00:43:15,710
there. You know? Even with the bird flu

1242
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:17,550
one that happened on the overlap to the

1243
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:19,789
Trump administration. Right? And then they continued the

1244
00:43:19,789 --> 00:43:21,390
funding, and they added more. And now there's

1245
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:23,230
a bird flu shot, an mRNA platform, and

1246
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:25,010
they just rolled out another NIH.

1247
00:43:25,469 --> 00:43:26,385
What was it? The

1248
00:43:28,784 --> 00:43:29,985
it's not coming up for me. It was

1249
00:43:29,985 --> 00:43:30,224
the,

1250
00:43:31,425 --> 00:43:33,824
universal flu shot platform. Oh, yeah. I can

1251
00:43:33,824 --> 00:43:35,105
try and grab that, but that just got

1252
00:43:35,105 --> 00:43:37,105
reported. They've been working on that for a

1253
00:43:37,105 --> 00:43:39,105
really long time. Exactly. You know? And that's

1254
00:43:39,105 --> 00:43:40,289
what I said is that this is not

1255
00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:42,210
and I honestly don't know, not to get

1256
00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:43,489
off on a tangent here, but I don't

1257
00:43:43,489 --> 00:43:44,769
know how you can have a platform without

1258
00:43:44,769 --> 00:43:46,849
mRNA. I'm not the expert, but I wonder

1259
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:48,130
whether that's still part of it. They're not

1260
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:49,730
showing that. But either way, it's the same

1261
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:52,210
direction. Fauci was talking about a universal flu

1262
00:43:52,210 --> 00:43:53,605
shot for the longest time. To To me,

1263
00:43:53,605 --> 00:43:55,364
it's the extension of the same problem, you

1264
00:43:55,364 --> 00:43:56,505
know, which is what's so

1265
00:43:57,125 --> 00:43:57,625
disconcerting,

1266
00:43:57,925 --> 00:43:59,365
you know, because we did you know, even

1267
00:43:59,525 --> 00:44:01,045
I as much as I don't think these

1268
00:44:01,045 --> 00:44:02,565
people are different, I still had hope that

1269
00:44:02,565 --> 00:44:03,765
it would be, you know, and I think

1270
00:44:03,765 --> 00:44:06,244
we all should. So With the appointments with

1271
00:44:06,244 --> 00:44:08,505
the appointments, you know, with with Jay, Bhattacharya.

1272
00:44:08,969 --> 00:44:10,969
I mean, I'm I'm quite like, I I

1273
00:44:10,969 --> 00:44:11,630
I know

1274
00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:13,230
these are good men,

1275
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:15,550
you know, and and they're smart.

1276
00:44:15,929 --> 00:44:16,670
They're talented.

1277
00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:17,869
They know

1278
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:20,969
how clinical trials are designed. They know how

1279
00:44:20,969 --> 00:44:22,349
they're supposed to be run.

1280
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:23,130
I mean, they

1281
00:44:24,065 --> 00:44:26,244
they're scientists. They're medical doctors.

1282
00:44:26,864 --> 00:44:30,005
So how can you call for, you know,

1283
00:44:30,224 --> 00:44:32,305
a a a change in how vaccine trials

1284
00:44:32,305 --> 00:44:34,065
are run that they need to be complete

1285
00:44:34,144 --> 00:44:35,525
compared to a placebo,

1286
00:44:36,809 --> 00:44:38,829
a true placebo, an inert placebo,

1287
00:44:39,289 --> 00:44:42,570
but then not not talk about clinical trial

1288
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:45,130
data, not not call out Pfizer for cheating

1289
00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:45,950
in their trials.

1290
00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:49,150
You know? And I hope that Marty Macri

1291
00:44:50,045 --> 00:44:50,545
understands

1292
00:44:51,325 --> 00:44:52,465
how data gets

1293
00:44:52,765 --> 00:44:53,265
from

1294
00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:55,025
a

1295
00:44:55,325 --> 00:44:55,905
a a patient

1296
00:44:56,765 --> 00:44:58,864
to a sponsor like Pfizer

1297
00:44:59,644 --> 00:45:00,785
over to the FDA

1298
00:45:01,164 --> 00:45:03,505
and then into a patient's arm.

1299
00:45:04,045 --> 00:45:04,785
If you

1300
00:45:05,789 --> 00:45:08,769
study that process of of data collection,

1301
00:45:09,949 --> 00:45:11,170
he he would understand

1302
00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:12,050
that

1303
00:45:12,510 --> 00:45:13,969
we should pause everything

1304
00:45:14,349 --> 00:45:15,809
until we have an FDA

1305
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:16,690
investigative

1306
00:45:17,724 --> 00:45:19,585
workforce, an inspection workforce

1307
00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:21,184
that's able to verify,

1308
00:45:22,925 --> 00:45:25,184
and do clinical trial investigations

1309
00:45:25,804 --> 00:45:27,425
of not just manufacturing

1310
00:45:27,804 --> 00:45:31,244
sites, but data collection sites, where the data's

1311
00:45:31,244 --> 00:45:34,360
actually coming from. Because if FDA doesn't get

1312
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,920
or get get to the clinical trial sites

1313
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,300
and verify the data

1314
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:39,900
that Pfizer's using,

1315
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,539
then they'll tell you on their own website.

1316
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:43,500
They're using

1317
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,099
and trusting the data

1318
00:45:45,594 --> 00:45:48,155
that's coming from Pfizer. Why would you trust

1319
00:45:48,155 --> 00:45:48,974
a company to,

1320
00:45:51,914 --> 00:45:54,974
it to provide you with accurate

1321
00:45:55,275 --> 00:45:57,994
data, not fraudulent data, when you can look

1322
00:45:57,994 --> 00:45:58,894
at their history?

1323
00:45:59,355 --> 00:46:01,670
Right. I mean, why would the United States

1324
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:02,809
government contract

1325
00:46:03,989 --> 00:46:06,409
through Operation Warp Speed with a company

1326
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:08,170
that was under

1327
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:09,639
a,

1328
00:46:10,089 --> 00:46:11,289
a a confidentiality

1329
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:12,250
agreement?

1330
00:46:12,835 --> 00:46:14,855
Excuse me. Not a confidentiality agreement.

1331
00:46:15,394 --> 00:46:16,114
It was a,

1332
00:46:17,394 --> 00:46:18,855
oh, gosh. What was it?

1333
00:46:19,474 --> 00:46:21,635
It was, they were for for being in

1334
00:46:21,635 --> 00:46:23,074
trouble. It'll come to me in a second.

1335
00:46:23,074 --> 00:46:24,594
I'll think of the name of it. But,

1336
00:46:24,594 --> 00:46:26,614
I mean, Pfizer was in trouble.

1337
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,039
Corporate into SCIA, a corporate integrity agreement is

1338
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:32,900
what Pfizer was under,

1339
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,260
for for for crimes.

1340
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,519
Why why would the government wanna contract with

1341
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:40,019
them

1342
00:46:41,085 --> 00:46:42,545
to develop a vaccine

1343
00:46:43,644 --> 00:46:45,244
to prevent a pan to, you know, to

1344
00:46:45,244 --> 00:46:47,804
help, in this pandemic? Why? As you just

1345
00:46:47,804 --> 00:46:49,744
showed, because they wanted the fraudulent

1346
00:46:50,125 --> 00:46:51,804
they they they ordered the fraud that they

1347
00:46:51,804 --> 00:46:53,324
delivered. Right? Because this this is, you know,

1348
00:46:53,324 --> 00:46:54,605
same we were just saying before. It's like

1349
00:46:54,605 --> 00:46:55,889
you ask, you know, like, I don't understand.

1350
00:46:55,889 --> 00:46:57,569
You know, it's a clearly the point is

1351
00:46:57,569 --> 00:46:59,489
that They're horrible. They don't believe that that's

1352
00:46:59,489 --> 00:47:00,849
the reality, but it is. You know, that

1353
00:47:00,849 --> 00:47:02,530
they wanted to work with the group who's

1354
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:04,329
willing to be fraudulent. That's my opinion, but

1355
00:47:04,329 --> 00:47:06,530
I think the evidence clearly shows that. And

1356
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:08,449
I would also argue and I I hope

1357
00:47:08,449 --> 00:47:10,155
I'm wrong as always in this case, but

1358
00:47:10,155 --> 00:47:11,994
I the FDA is is a captured agency

1359
00:47:11,994 --> 00:47:13,515
as far as I'm concerned. So if we're

1360
00:47:13,515 --> 00:47:15,275
gonna have some real accountability, I argue we

1361
00:47:15,275 --> 00:47:16,394
need to find a way to not, you

1362
00:47:16,394 --> 00:47:18,635
know, keep running through these same broken institutions

1363
00:47:18,635 --> 00:47:20,315
or at least somehow verify that it's not

1364
00:47:20,315 --> 00:47:22,394
the same old broken thing. But I agree,

1365
00:47:22,394 --> 00:47:24,030
you know, that this is just one more

1366
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:25,710
step of this. It's the same problem that

1367
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:27,550
never really stopped. You know? And it's if

1368
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:29,410
if we can't see that or the continuation

1369
00:47:29,469 --> 00:47:31,650
of the same shots or the Stargate platform

1370
00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:33,469
doing the same thing, you know, it's it's

1371
00:47:33,469 --> 00:47:35,789
a question of whether they're being played somehow

1372
00:47:35,789 --> 00:47:37,710
or knowingly continuing the same problem. And I

1373
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:39,250
don't know how they could be missing information.

1374
00:47:39,764 --> 00:47:41,444
So to that point, I want your thoughts

1375
00:47:41,444 --> 00:47:43,444
on on that very thing. As as Barnes

1376
00:47:43,444 --> 00:47:45,324
pointed out, in his opinion anyway, he says

1377
00:47:45,324 --> 00:47:46,505
a key set of saboteurs

1378
00:47:46,885 --> 00:47:48,644
against the Trump reside in the bowels of

1379
00:47:48,644 --> 00:47:51,284
the justice department where lefty attorneys undermine the

1380
00:47:51,284 --> 00:47:54,005
Trump administration policies and to overturn twenty twenty

1381
00:47:54,005 --> 00:47:56,429
four elections. DOJ filed a brief opposing Brooke

1382
00:47:56,429 --> 00:47:57,489
Jackson claiming

1383
00:47:58,349 --> 00:48:01,150
claiming, Biden policy to prevent accusations of fraud

1384
00:48:01,150 --> 00:48:03,150
concerning COVID vaccine is still the policy when

1385
00:48:03,150 --> 00:48:05,309
Trump admin publicly averse that policy. Okay. So

1386
00:48:05,309 --> 00:48:06,909
what are your thoughts on that before I

1387
00:48:06,909 --> 00:48:07,409
comment?

1388
00:48:07,944 --> 00:48:11,385
No. Well, I don't necessarily agree with with

1389
00:48:11,385 --> 00:48:13,464
Robert Barnes here, and he he may have

1390
00:48:13,464 --> 00:48:15,944
been able to contact people within the justice

1391
00:48:15,944 --> 00:48:18,585
department, but I just you know, Trump is

1392
00:48:18,585 --> 00:48:20,789
our our commander in chief. So I don't

1393
00:48:20,949 --> 00:48:22,869
I I I I don't wanna think that

1394
00:48:22,869 --> 00:48:24,570
anything gets past that man.

1395
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:27,030
Mhmm. Yeah. Well, I mean, I I think

1396
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,510
the concern for me is that this is

1397
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:30,010
the

1398
00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:31,050
reactionary

1399
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:33,614
kind of benefit of the doubt. Right? Which,

1400
00:48:33,675 --> 00:48:35,914
obviously, that's certainly possible. Right? There could be

1401
00:48:35,914 --> 00:48:37,994
somebody. But I'm I did this whole lefty

1402
00:48:37,994 --> 00:48:40,555
hang holdover thing keeps being used for all

1403
00:48:40,555 --> 00:48:42,474
these conversations, and yet we never see anyone

1404
00:48:42,474 --> 00:48:44,555
arrested. We don't see any real point. No

1405
00:48:44,555 --> 00:48:46,539
one gets called out. You know? So I

1406
00:48:46,539 --> 00:48:48,619
I I I obviously possible. I'd like to

1407
00:48:48,619 --> 00:48:50,699
see some names or some evidence to back

1408
00:48:50,699 --> 00:48:52,460
that up. Otherwise, it seems to be, you

1409
00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:54,299
know, anything that goes against what we want,

1410
00:48:54,299 --> 00:48:55,659
so we can just assume that it's not

1411
00:48:55,659 --> 00:48:57,500
what he ordered because they want to believe

1412
00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:59,019
that. And, again, it could be. But I'm

1413
00:48:59,019 --> 00:49:00,480
very worried about that because

1414
00:49:00,795 --> 00:49:02,635
that allows people to ignore what we've been

1415
00:49:02,635 --> 00:49:04,795
highlighting here, which is that this is whether

1416
00:49:04,795 --> 00:49:06,875
being tricked or not, the same problem continuing.

1417
00:49:06,875 --> 00:49:08,234
And, I mean, I find it hard to

1418
00:49:08,234 --> 00:49:10,734
believe that makes sense with the Stargate platform,

1419
00:49:10,954 --> 00:49:11,934
you know, an mRNA

1420
00:49:12,869 --> 00:49:15,109
cancer platform, or or we could touch on,

1421
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:17,369
as we get done here, the MMR discussion

1422
00:49:17,429 --> 00:49:19,750
where RFK Junior has now done a complete

1423
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:21,190
one eighty. And I do think it's not

1424
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:23,029
hard to under it's easy to see that

1425
00:49:23,029 --> 00:49:24,469
things have shifted in regard to what he's

1426
00:49:24,469 --> 00:49:26,069
saying, and then the argument becomes, well, he's

1427
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:27,554
playing some kind of a game, and he's

1428
00:49:27,554 --> 00:49:29,635
trying to It's strategy. Going. And that goes

1429
00:49:29,635 --> 00:49:30,914
back to the same point of Trump and

1430
00:49:30,914 --> 00:49:32,194
the shot is I don't agree with that

1431
00:49:32,194 --> 00:49:34,514
logic. I think that's immoral, if not dangerous.

1432
00:49:34,514 --> 00:49:36,675
You know? So let's if you give you

1433
00:49:36,675 --> 00:49:38,114
any more thoughts on that point and if

1434
00:49:38,114 --> 00:49:39,714
you think there's more there, otherwise, let's let's

1435
00:49:39,714 --> 00:49:41,639
talk about the kind of evolution of all

1436
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:44,539
the other points around this conversation, MMR, Stargate,

1437
00:49:44,839 --> 00:49:45,659
anything else.

1438
00:49:46,359 --> 00:49:49,000
Yeah. I'd I I don't you know, I,

1439
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,900
I just don't under I don't understand

1440
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,139
how how

1441
00:49:54,554 --> 00:49:56,795
Kennedy could advocate for the things that he

1442
00:49:56,795 --> 00:49:58,974
has for as long as he has

1443
00:49:59,514 --> 00:49:59,755
and,

1444
00:50:01,355 --> 00:50:03,835
you know, allow these things allow these allow

1445
00:50:03,835 --> 00:50:05,835
these things to stay. And I don't think

1446
00:50:05,835 --> 00:50:07,675
it's him again. I think that he's a

1447
00:50:07,675 --> 00:50:08,414
good man

1448
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:09,380
and,

1449
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:11,440
maybe a strategy, but

1450
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:14,079
I guess,

1451
00:50:15,579 --> 00:50:17,359
I just I don't I don't like it.

1452
00:50:17,659 --> 00:50:19,339
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's that's that's the

1453
00:50:19,339 --> 00:50:20,699
important thing to highlight is that this is

1454
00:50:20,699 --> 00:50:22,380
wrong. Right? So, yes, the narrative could be

1455
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:23,900
what they're claiming, but let's not lose sight

1456
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:24,315
of the fact

1457
00:50:24,954 --> 00:50:25,835
that we need to resist this. I also

1458
00:50:25,835 --> 00:50:27,434
point out that I see a lot where

1459
00:50:27,434 --> 00:50:29,275
people will make an argument like that to

1460
00:50:29,275 --> 00:50:31,034
say, oh, well, it was a old, you

1461
00:50:31,034 --> 00:50:32,574
know, person left in the FBI.

1462
00:50:32,954 --> 00:50:35,114
And then because of that, not call out

1463
00:50:35,114 --> 00:50:35,775
that problem.

1464
00:50:36,155 --> 00:50:37,514
Like, well, hold on. No. We all agree

1465
00:50:37,514 --> 00:50:38,875
that's a bad thing. Like, let's you know?

1466
00:50:38,875 --> 00:50:41,599
But as if it's only important to to

1467
00:50:41,659 --> 00:50:43,500
hope that it's somebody else instead of recognizing

1468
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:44,859
we need to keep stopping the thing that's

1469
00:50:44,859 --> 00:50:45,839
happening regardless.

1470
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:49,099
Remember when everybody on x was like, stop

1471
00:50:49,099 --> 00:50:52,079
saying stop the shots until Kennedy's elected.

1472
00:50:52,619 --> 00:50:53,440
I'm like, no.

1473
00:50:53,855 --> 00:50:55,454
Because they need him. I'm not gonna stop

1474
00:50:55,454 --> 00:50:58,734
saying anything. Right. Right. True. See, that's just

1475
00:50:58,734 --> 00:51:00,974
integrity, Brooke. It's about consistency in your principles,

1476
00:51:00,974 --> 00:51:02,755
you know, and there's there's far too many

1477
00:51:03,054 --> 00:51:04,734
and and far too many good people, by

1478
00:51:04,734 --> 00:51:06,639
the way, who have just been convinced by

1479
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,559
our argue partisan screamers out there on the

1480
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,039
team sport politics game that they've been convinced

1481
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:12,719
that this is more you know, it's a

1482
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,480
lesser of evils. Like, we have to not

1483
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,159
talk about this because when he gets in,

1484
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:17,599
it'll be better in the long run. It's

1485
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,574
like, well, maybe. You know, I just I'm

1486
00:51:19,574 --> 00:51:21,894
not gonna sacrifice my principles for your hopeful

1487
00:51:21,894 --> 00:51:22,795
and you know,

1488
00:51:23,175 --> 00:51:25,414
I argue partisan driven perspective. You know? But

1489
00:51:25,414 --> 00:51:27,255
that's it's it's hard. But as you wrote

1490
00:51:27,255 --> 00:51:27,755
here,

1491
00:51:28,295 --> 00:51:30,375
Biden covered for Fauci, Trump covered for pharma,

1492
00:51:30,375 --> 00:51:32,375
two presidents, zero accountability. Right? So I think

1493
00:51:32,375 --> 00:51:33,655
we can clearly see that this is an

1494
00:51:33,655 --> 00:51:36,820
ongoing and we would agree. You wrote, don't

1495
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:38,900
ask why, ask how many. And this I

1496
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:40,739
think this is a great point, Brooke. Since

1497
00:51:40,820 --> 00:51:42,900
how many times since February the US government

1498
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:45,300
has dismissed pharmaceutical fraud cases? So just again,

1499
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:46,039
it's nonpartisan.

1500
00:51:46,445 --> 00:51:47,885
Back as you wanna far back as you

1501
00:51:47,885 --> 00:51:51,005
wanna look, continuation of covering for pharma. How

1502
00:51:51,005 --> 00:51:53,025
many times have I asked why today?

1503
00:51:53,565 --> 00:51:55,264
I don't I don't know. Like,

1504
00:51:55,565 --> 00:51:56,465
you don't understand.

1505
00:51:56,925 --> 00:51:58,144
You wanna know why,

1506
00:51:58,445 --> 00:52:00,699
but you you already do. It's just what

1507
00:52:00,699 --> 00:52:02,619
comes out of your mouth to explain how

1508
00:52:02,619 --> 00:52:05,039
absurd this situation is. Exactly.

1509
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:07,660
We just talked about Pam Bondi's connection, which

1510
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:09,340
is relevant. I know you've just tweeted about

1511
00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:11,660
RFK Jr, but back from 2023, right, where

1512
00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:13,835
he said, Donald Trump owns Stockton Pfizer and

1513
00:52:13,835 --> 00:52:15,355
J and J who bought fancy tickets to

1514
00:52:15,355 --> 00:52:17,434
his inauguration and placed pharmaceuticals high in his

1515
00:52:17,434 --> 00:52:19,994
administration. That's how Washington works. I think that's

1516
00:52:19,994 --> 00:52:21,514
relevant to where we are right now. You

1517
00:52:21,514 --> 00:52:23,675
know? And then lastly, this on this point,

1518
00:52:23,675 --> 00:52:26,730
you said that, as as, HHS and RFK

1519
00:52:26,730 --> 00:52:28,170
Jr are now the legal client of the

1520
00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:30,430
DOJ on all PrEP Act, EUA, and vaccine,

1521
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:34,090
related litigation, this means the DOJ represents him

1522
00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:36,410
in court. He sets the policy. He decides

1523
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:38,829
whether PrEP Act shields stands stand or fall.

1524
00:52:38,835 --> 00:52:40,434
He has the power to end the COVID

1525
00:52:40,434 --> 00:52:42,675
emergency declaration today. That's an important that we

1526
00:52:42,675 --> 00:52:44,914
we don't focus on. Right? No more excuses.

1527
00:52:44,914 --> 00:52:46,594
So just kinda showing that he the buck

1528
00:52:46,594 --> 00:52:48,275
stops with him at this point. So If

1529
00:52:48,275 --> 00:52:50,195
that's and I I think that I'm so

1530
00:52:50,195 --> 00:52:51,734
glad that you pointed out.

1531
00:52:52,514 --> 00:52:53,255
The DOJ

1532
00:52:53,554 --> 00:52:54,614
is his client.

1533
00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:58,269
They do what he says.

1534
00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:59,070
Right.

1535
00:52:59,530 --> 00:53:00,510
They're saying

1536
00:53:00,969 --> 00:53:02,670
or excuse me. Kennedy

1537
00:53:03,050 --> 00:53:03,789
is saying

1538
00:53:04,329 --> 00:53:06,590
that the burdens of this case

1539
00:53:06,969 --> 00:53:09,630
are are too much for the American

1540
00:53:10,614 --> 00:53:11,114
people,

1541
00:53:12,135 --> 00:53:12,635
that

1542
00:53:12,934 --> 00:53:15,355
this shot or excuse me, this lawsuit

1543
00:53:15,894 --> 00:53:17,835
this lawsuit, which is about fraud,

1544
00:53:19,094 --> 00:53:19,914
goes against

1545
00:53:20,535 --> 00:53:21,755
public health policy.

1546
00:53:22,535 --> 00:53:23,755
Make that make sense?

1547
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:26,840
It's just it's more legal arguments. I mean,

1548
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,360
I I don't wanna pull this into another

1549
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,200
conversation, but there's plenty of overlaps in the

1550
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,360
world today from this administration, again, just the

1551
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,519
US government. They were continuing to make similar

1552
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,200
arguments where it's just too much of a

1553
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,720
burden. Well, it's not about whether it's a

1554
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,414
it's about right and wrong, principles, integrity, constitutional

1555
00:53:40,474 --> 00:53:42,335
rights. Like, you can't just make an excuse.

1556
00:53:42,394 --> 00:53:44,075
We we all made this point during COVID

1557
00:53:44,075 --> 00:53:46,155
nineteen where you can't say, you know, there's

1558
00:53:46,155 --> 00:53:48,394
no asterisk on the constitution. There's nothing except

1559
00:53:48,394 --> 00:53:49,994
when there's a pandemic. Right? That's not how

1560
00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:51,434
it works. But we're seeing a lot of

1561
00:53:51,434 --> 00:53:53,589
these arguments continue, which it's not unique to

1562
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:55,349
left and right. It it's I've seen Biden

1563
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:57,030
and Bush and Obama and everybody else do

1564
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:58,630
the same kind of thing in in their

1565
00:53:58,630 --> 00:54:00,630
context. And so I worry that we're falling

1566
00:54:00,630 --> 00:54:01,609
for similar things.

1567
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:03,510
I I didn't want your thoughts on on

1568
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:05,204
the MMR shot in general. You know? What

1569
00:54:05,204 --> 00:54:06,565
do you think is dry a lot of

1570
00:54:06,565 --> 00:54:08,805
people had the conversation about whether he's being

1571
00:54:08,805 --> 00:54:10,885
blackmailed, which I can't find any evidence to

1572
00:54:10,885 --> 00:54:12,885
back up, but wouldn't surprise me. What are

1573
00:54:12,885 --> 00:54:15,364
your thoughts on the one eighty on MMR

1574
00:54:15,364 --> 00:54:17,125
shots? We're seemingly telling you us now it's

1575
00:54:17,285 --> 00:54:19,489
and then it followed up again saying it's

1576
00:54:19,489 --> 00:54:20,789
safe and effective, essentially.

1577
00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:24,449
I just don't know what to say to

1578
00:54:24,449 --> 00:54:25,510
that other than

1579
00:54:25,809 --> 00:54:27,030
somebody's got him.

1580
00:54:27,409 --> 00:54:27,909
Yeah.

1581
00:54:28,210 --> 00:54:30,130
It wouldn't surprise me. I've had a really

1582
00:54:30,130 --> 00:54:32,130
difficult time trying to reconcile that. And, like,

1583
00:54:32,130 --> 00:54:33,409
I'm not gonna say I know. I wouldn't

1584
00:54:33,409 --> 00:54:35,304
argue we can prove that, but his work

1585
00:54:35,304 --> 00:54:37,545
has been profoundly important before this. And I

1586
00:54:37,545 --> 00:54:39,065
don't it just there was just this weird

1587
00:54:39,065 --> 00:54:40,744
shift. And, yes, it was after a very

1588
00:54:40,744 --> 00:54:42,364
certain event, and I just think that

1589
00:54:42,664 --> 00:54:44,505
something it does seem like something happened there.

1590
00:54:44,505 --> 00:54:46,184
And but it's also possible that it was

1591
00:54:46,184 --> 00:54:47,465
all a long term ploy. I just don't

1592
00:54:47,465 --> 00:54:48,849
think that adds up. So I think it's

1593
00:54:48,849 --> 00:54:50,609
worth considering that. But either way, our point

1594
00:54:50,609 --> 00:54:51,730
to say has been the same, that it's

1595
00:54:51,730 --> 00:54:53,969
still something we call out regardless of who's

1596
00:54:53,969 --> 00:54:55,730
driving or who's holding them, you know, as

1597
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:57,969
you've written point. Agree 100%.

1598
00:54:57,969 --> 00:54:59,969
We don't know what's going on behind closed

1599
00:54:59,969 --> 00:55:01,589
doors. I just know

1600
00:55:02,114 --> 00:55:03,815
what his stance has been

1601
00:55:04,594 --> 00:55:07,715
for his whole almost adult adult life. You

1602
00:55:07,715 --> 00:55:09,894
know, I I know that he's a brilliant

1603
00:55:09,954 --> 00:55:12,135
attorney. I've read his briefs.

1604
00:55:12,594 --> 00:55:15,715
I know the MMR case very well. He

1605
00:55:15,715 --> 00:55:16,775
said just recently

1606
00:55:17,155 --> 00:55:17,394
that,

1607
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:21,309
there was a False Claims Act case against

1608
00:55:21,530 --> 00:55:22,510
Merck for

1609
00:55:22,809 --> 00:55:24,570
what they did in the clinical trial. They

1610
00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:25,710
rigged the clinical

1611
00:55:26,090 --> 00:55:29,050
trial, and he didn't say that. He said

1612
00:55:29,050 --> 00:55:29,530
it was,

1613
00:55:30,585 --> 00:55:32,045
dismissed on a technicality.

1614
00:55:32,505 --> 00:55:36,344
Well, that technicality is that the government knew

1615
00:55:36,344 --> 00:55:38,344
about the fraud, but chose to purchase it

1616
00:55:38,344 --> 00:55:38,844
anyway.

1617
00:55:39,144 --> 00:55:39,644
Right.

1618
00:55:39,945 --> 00:55:41,945
I mean, it's just it's insane. And all

1619
00:55:41,945 --> 00:55:43,224
these cases, it doesn't take I mean, you

1620
00:55:43,224 --> 00:55:45,164
can I don't know if you like using

1621
00:55:45,549 --> 00:55:48,029
AI or you don't, but a quick Google

1622
00:55:48,029 --> 00:55:50,109
search or duck duck, whatever your favorite search

1623
00:55:50,109 --> 00:55:50,849
engine is,

1624
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:54,929
all you have to do is type in

1625
00:55:55,069 --> 00:55:56,690
false claims act cases

1626
00:55:57,069 --> 00:55:57,569
pharmaceuticals,

1627
00:55:58,464 --> 00:56:00,304
and you can do your own research? And

1628
00:56:00,304 --> 00:56:01,444
I encourage that

1629
00:56:01,744 --> 00:56:03,744
I encourage people to do that. You know,

1630
00:56:03,744 --> 00:56:05,925
it's not hard to look these things up,

1631
00:56:06,464 --> 00:56:08,885
but the government has been doing this,

1632
00:56:09,585 --> 00:56:12,369
for a long time. You know? This this

1633
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,150
Pfizer case, the Merck case,

1634
00:56:15,329 --> 00:56:17,489
you know, there there have been many, many

1635
00:56:17,489 --> 00:56:19,349
false claims that cases against pharmaceuticals

1636
00:56:20,289 --> 00:56:23,670
where there's alleged fraud in the clinical trial,

1637
00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:25,110
and the government says

1638
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,355
get rid of it. Yeah.

1639
00:56:27,655 --> 00:56:28,155
Right.

1640
00:56:29,014 --> 00:56:30,375
Which I said I'm saying the same point

1641
00:56:30,375 --> 00:56:31,734
as before is that just very important to

1642
00:56:31,734 --> 00:56:34,054
see the long term linear it's it's not

1643
00:56:34,054 --> 00:56:35,494
left and right in all this, and that's

1644
00:56:35,494 --> 00:56:37,014
the point that really matters. It's just this

1645
00:56:37,014 --> 00:56:39,269
is something that needs to stop. And every

1646
00:56:39,269 --> 00:56:41,289
single time of a change of the guard,

1647
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:43,190
people make up new arguments for why something

1648
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:44,469
will be different. And I'm all with the

1649
00:56:44,469 --> 00:56:46,150
hope. I I hope that's gonna happen, but

1650
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:48,410
I'm I'm more critical than ever. But then

1651
00:56:48,550 --> 00:56:49,989
things happen the same, and then there's a

1652
00:56:49,989 --> 00:56:52,105
narrative built around why it's not the same

1653
00:56:52,105 --> 00:56:54,184
thing or why it'll end a different way.

1654
00:56:54,184 --> 00:56:55,704
You know? And, again, I hope so, but

1655
00:56:55,704 --> 00:56:57,545
we can see it hasn't really stopped. And

1656
00:56:57,545 --> 00:56:59,305
so this is the the largest problem is

1657
00:56:59,305 --> 00:57:00,664
that this we're coming to a point where

1658
00:57:00,664 --> 00:57:03,305
these things are intersecting with much larger problems

1659
00:57:03,305 --> 00:57:05,280
or actually, they're much larger, just different, like

1660
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,640
like a you know, the technological advancements that

1661
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,039
I think will apply to this that make

1662
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:11,599
this possibly already even there that really terrify

1663
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,360
me. You know? So we people need to

1664
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,719
stand up and put their foot down and

1665
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:15,699
stop you know,

1666
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,255
ignore for the moment the the the people

1667
00:57:18,255 --> 00:57:19,934
that you think you're following or believe in

1668
00:57:19,934 --> 00:57:21,454
and just focus on the policy and the

1669
00:57:21,454 --> 00:57:22,894
integrity and the principle of it all. And

1670
00:57:22,894 --> 00:57:24,255
I think it's pretty clear that this is

1671
00:57:24,255 --> 00:57:24,835
a problem.

1672
00:57:25,855 --> 00:57:27,375
And I I'd like to end with talking

1673
00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:29,214
about the the gain of function point because

1674
00:57:29,214 --> 00:57:30,574
I think this is a really interesting and

1675
00:57:30,574 --> 00:57:32,255
this is just recent as of yesterday to

1676
00:57:32,255 --> 00:57:34,710
today, which is another example of something that

1677
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:37,590
we all, like, championed by like, I would

1678
00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:38,949
say more so than anybody, the right of

1679
00:57:38,949 --> 00:57:41,190
the conversation. Right? Calling out the problems around

1680
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:42,570
this, calling out gain of function,

1681
00:57:42,869 --> 00:57:44,329
Pfizer, COVID nineteen,

1682
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:47,125
and are now with this administration

1683
00:57:47,505 --> 00:57:49,744
continuing just like Biden did and everyone before

1684
00:57:49,744 --> 00:57:52,385
them, I argue the same problem under a

1685
00:57:52,385 --> 00:57:54,065
guise of something else. And this is what,

1686
00:57:54,704 --> 00:57:56,784
Tom Renz put out saying, Trump allows gain

1687
00:57:56,784 --> 00:57:59,079
of function research to continue, but in certain

1688
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,400
aspects, when the framing is out as if

1689
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,559
this is stopping gain of function. Now give

1690
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:04,839
me your thoughts on that. I know, yeah,

1691
00:58:04,839 --> 00:58:06,280
we're not going deep on this. I've only

1692
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,639
just come you know, been reading about it

1693
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:09,819
today. Do you have any perspective on that?

1694
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,420
Well, I I use

1695
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:12,300
x

1696
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,980
as kind of, like,

1697
00:58:14,355 --> 00:58:15,735
my diary almost.

1698
00:58:17,235 --> 00:58:19,155
And I don't know if you caught the

1699
00:58:19,155 --> 00:58:19,655
little

1700
00:58:20,275 --> 00:58:22,375
pardon me joke there,

1701
00:58:22,675 --> 00:58:25,235
but, you know, I I follow, Emily Copp,

1702
00:58:25,235 --> 00:58:27,315
and she's the one that actually pointed pointed

1703
00:58:27,315 --> 00:58:28,215
me to this.

1704
00:58:28,969 --> 00:58:30,889
And so you you go look at the

1705
00:58:30,889 --> 00:58:33,530
executive order, you read it, and then you

1706
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:36,589
compare it to what was in place in

1707
00:58:36,809 --> 00:58:37,789
2017.

1708
00:58:38,409 --> 00:58:40,510
And and what has actually changed?

1709
00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:41,949
Not a lot.

1710
00:58:43,074 --> 00:58:45,315
So I I just I wish people and

1711
00:58:45,315 --> 00:58:46,994
I'm guilty of this myself too. I get

1712
00:58:46,994 --> 00:58:49,635
excited when I see something that, you know,

1713
00:58:49,635 --> 00:58:51,394
means something to me. You just wanna go

1714
00:58:51,394 --> 00:58:52,375
repost it,

1715
00:58:52,675 --> 00:58:54,515
quickly to let people know. But I encourage

1716
00:58:54,515 --> 00:58:57,175
people to to to to read the executive

1717
00:58:57,394 --> 00:58:57,894
order.

1718
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:59,069
And once

1719
00:58:59,929 --> 00:59:00,750
this administration

1720
00:59:01,369 --> 00:59:02,989
finally puts out what

1721
00:59:03,849 --> 00:59:04,589
these changes

1722
00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:07,049
in policy are gonna look like, because they're

1723
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:08,569
it's just a tease right now. They don't

1724
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:10,089
they haven't they haven't,

1725
00:59:11,235 --> 00:59:13,095
spelled that out for us yet.

1726
00:59:13,875 --> 00:59:15,715
But but in what I've read, there there

1727
00:59:15,715 --> 00:59:18,355
isn't much change. You know, what I would

1728
00:59:18,355 --> 00:59:19,815
have liked to see right away,

1729
00:59:20,115 --> 00:59:22,994
just going, you know, based on the most

1730
00:59:22,994 --> 00:59:23,494
recent

1731
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:26,710
disaster with gain of function is what happened

1732
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:27,449
with COVID.

1733
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:30,630
You know? How about we not allow people

1734
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:33,750
that participate in these activities, whether it's on

1735
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:35,769
our soil or not,

1736
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:37,964
that, you know, we find some way to

1737
00:59:37,964 --> 00:59:40,204
hold them accountable, but especially if if they're

1738
00:59:40,204 --> 00:59:41,885
on our soil. Why did why did Fauci

1739
00:59:41,885 --> 00:59:43,885
get a pardon? I mean, he's, to me,

1740
00:59:43,885 --> 00:59:46,464
just, you know, the most evil person,

1741
00:59:48,045 --> 00:59:48,944
out there. But

1742
00:59:49,329 --> 00:59:50,449
why did he get a why did he

1743
00:59:50,449 --> 00:59:52,630
get a pardon? Why did the American taxpayer

1744
00:59:52,769 --> 00:59:55,510
dollar have to pay millions American

1745
00:59:56,449 --> 00:59:58,549
taxpayer have to pay millions of dollars

1746
00:59:58,929 --> 01:00:01,109
for his his personal

1747
01:00:01,730 --> 01:00:04,574
chauffeur service and his security. Like, why are

1748
01:00:04,574 --> 01:00:07,614
we protecting him? Yeah. Right. It's an important

1749
01:00:07,614 --> 01:00:08,114
question.

1750
01:00:08,655 --> 01:00:09,155
For

1751
01:00:09,775 --> 01:00:10,755
for part of this.

1752
01:00:12,574 --> 01:00:13,855
So I would have liked to see some

1753
01:00:13,855 --> 01:00:17,155
stronger language, some enforcement mechanism within that executive

1754
01:00:17,215 --> 01:00:20,289
order to hold people accountable for the things

1755
01:00:20,289 --> 01:00:21,109
that they say

1756
01:00:21,809 --> 01:00:24,050
are not allowed anymore or little tweaks that

1757
01:00:24,050 --> 01:00:25,670
they've made here and there. So,

1758
01:00:26,929 --> 01:00:27,250
anyway

1759
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:29,650
Well, there's important points to add is that

1760
01:00:29,650 --> 01:00:31,889
ultimately, let's remember that the last time, which

1761
01:00:31,889 --> 01:00:32,949
went through both administrations,

1762
01:00:33,570 --> 01:00:35,485
you know, in the recent recent memory,

1763
01:00:35,785 --> 01:00:37,305
where they said they were stopping and they

1764
01:00:37,305 --> 01:00:39,065
didn't. We can prove that. Right? So let's

1765
01:00:39,065 --> 01:00:40,905
just be clear. Just because they say these

1766
01:00:40,905 --> 01:00:43,144
things or, you know, actually sign an executive

1767
01:00:43,144 --> 01:00:44,664
order as opposed to legislation, by the way,

1768
01:00:44,664 --> 01:00:45,945
which is always the way this is gonna

1769
01:00:45,945 --> 01:00:47,809
go, so it's it's it's not really applicable

1770
01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:49,090
to the world or even more than the

1771
01:00:49,090 --> 01:00:51,030
executive branch, which is how they actually work.

1772
01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:52,690
You know, they they could just lie about

1773
01:00:52,690 --> 01:00:55,010
that. But, secondarily, let's not forget that even

1774
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:56,610
Fauci tried to roll out the whole e

1775
01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:58,210
e e e or e p p p,

1776
01:00:58,210 --> 01:00:59,964
like, the new name for it. And so

1777
01:00:59,964 --> 01:01:01,005
how we know they're not gonna use that

1778
01:01:01,164 --> 01:01:04,065
Full function use. That's exactly there are loopholes

1779
01:01:04,525 --> 01:01:06,784
Exactly. Within what we've been shown

1780
01:01:07,085 --> 01:01:09,244
that will allow the same thing to continue

1781
01:01:09,244 --> 01:01:11,085
as my points. Exactly. And as you as

1782
01:01:11,085 --> 01:01:12,764
you rightly pointed out, here's one thing that

1783
01:01:12,764 --> 01:01:15,184
concerns me, referencing what, Tom Rentz was highlighting.

1784
01:01:15,269 --> 01:01:17,929
The new executive order does ban civilian funded

1785
01:01:18,469 --> 01:01:20,949
or civilian funding for dangerous bioresearch unless it's

1786
01:01:20,949 --> 01:01:22,789
for war games. So even that alone could

1787
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:24,070
just be, well, that's every time they do

1788
01:01:24,070 --> 01:01:25,269
it now will be called a war game.

1789
01:01:25,269 --> 01:01:26,869
It's easy to see if this can apply.

1790
01:01:26,949 --> 01:01:28,949
No change. That's that's always been allowed. Just

1791
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:29,690
Exactly.

1792
01:01:30,282 --> 01:01:32,414
Know. But, you know, I mean, it kinda

1793
01:01:32,414 --> 01:01:33,394
feeds into

1794
01:01:33,855 --> 01:01:35,954
how the Department of Defense

1795
01:01:36,414 --> 01:01:37,555
used this prototype

1796
01:01:38,095 --> 01:01:38,595
contract

1797
01:01:39,055 --> 01:01:39,555
with,

1798
01:01:40,015 --> 01:01:40,595
you know,

1799
01:01:41,055 --> 01:01:43,615
Pfizer to get their product. You know? I

1800
01:01:43,615 --> 01:01:45,715
mean, it it it is the vaccine.

1801
01:01:46,179 --> 01:01:46,679
So

1802
01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:49,300
they were able to use these kinda carve

1803
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:50,500
out carve outs to,

1804
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:54,280
you know, direct their weapon at

1805
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:55,559
the people.

1806
01:01:56,260 --> 01:01:59,059
Right. It's just mind blowing. I know. I

1807
01:01:59,059 --> 01:02:00,340
know. And I wish I I wish I

1808
01:02:00,340 --> 01:02:01,695
had, you know, like, all the time in

1809
01:02:01,695 --> 01:02:02,355
the world

1810
01:02:02,974 --> 01:02:04,035
to sit down and

1811
01:02:05,454 --> 01:02:07,775
and and access to data that I'm certain

1812
01:02:07,775 --> 01:02:10,434
that they've scrubbed. Right? Even even since.

1813
01:02:12,094 --> 01:02:13,855
That's my concern about the Stargate or just

1814
01:02:13,855 --> 01:02:15,454
one of the different overlaps. So let's not

1815
01:02:15,454 --> 01:02:16,594
forget that that included

1816
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,360
Larry Ellison, right, who is Oracle, who Oracle

1817
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,160
was overlapped with COVID nineteen, and Montsef Salawi

1818
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:22,980
and the pharmacovigilance.

1819
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,360
And so there's a whole database that he

1820
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,360
remember that they promised wouldn't be used exactly

1821
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,880
like this, and now it's being used exactly

1822
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,400
like this, which is the point is that,

1823
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,160
ultimately, that was data we never got to

1824
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,764
see. Right? That was a that was a

1825
01:02:33,764 --> 01:02:36,324
whole different thing where they Mount Sefzelawi, under

1826
01:02:36,324 --> 01:02:38,324
the original warp speed, said they would follow

1827
01:02:38,324 --> 01:02:40,405
people for up to two years for, you

1828
01:02:40,405 --> 01:02:41,065
know, pharmacovigilance

1829
01:02:41,444 --> 01:02:43,125
if they took the shot. And that that

1830
01:02:43,125 --> 01:02:44,644
that that we never got to see that

1831
01:02:44,644 --> 01:02:45,764
as far as I can tell. And so

1832
01:02:45,764 --> 01:02:47,400
now it's being overlapped with this and, you

1833
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,280
know, obviously, with SoftBank and and AI, Sam

1834
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,440
Altman, and everything else. But I'm worried about

1835
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,920
how that overlap continues and really just shows

1836
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,800
you this dovetail with the technocratic direction. And

1837
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,239
I think it's important to highlight, as we

1838
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:02,204
just said, plenty more mRNA shots coming out.

1839
01:03:02,505 --> 01:03:05,864
She, she also pointed out 2024 to 2045.

1840
01:03:05,864 --> 01:03:08,585
This is Mary Talley Bowden. COVID shots for

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ages six months to 11 years are authorized

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under emergency use authorization by the US FDA,

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not fully licensed, yet are on the CDC

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pediatric schedule. Now we've got a lot of

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talk about shifting things. You mentioned the placebo

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thing. You know, there's a lot of things

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being stated.

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I don't see any actual material changes in

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earnest just yet. I I really hope we

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see them. I do think some of them

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will probably happen to one degree or another,

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but I think it's important that we hold

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back our cheering until we actually see these

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things materialize. Because because even the placebo point,

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you know, that's been going on a long

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time, and I don't necessarily see it begin

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to take place. But, you know, just as

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wrap up to end, you know They haven't

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even they haven't even come out with their

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policy, Ryan. Like,

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they're just saying that they're going to do

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this.

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That's not been written out anywhere.

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So what is the what does that look

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like? Is that only gonna apply to new

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vaccines? Is that gonna apply to,

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you know, everything else that's on the childhood

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and adult immunization schedules. Good point. I that

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that that's another thing that I just wanna

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point out really quickly. You know, we we

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can call for, you know, a a ban

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on these mRNA products for our children, and

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I think that's super important.

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Absolutely.

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But

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we know that it's

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injuring and killing people.

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So why would we just recall it for

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kids? What about who's who's gonna take care

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of these kids when their parents get shot

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and are killed or injured? Or, you know,

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I I I just it's

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we just have to do what we know,

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is the right thing, what's required by law.

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And that that's kind of sorry. I just

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wanted to point that that out really quickly.

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I agree.

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You know, of course, we worry about the

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babies. Yes.

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But

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we adults matter too.

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Well, it it comes down to a principle.

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I mean, again, it's the same point. If

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you're aware of the real problem, there's no

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world in which you would allow that to

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continue to be used. And, especially getting into

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all the deeper points that the average person

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has no idea about, I would argue, about

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whether, you know, any number of very crazy

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topics we can get into around the overlap

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of these shots. But just the the the

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even the basic peer reviewed science at this

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point. I mean, we can clearly see that

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these things let's not even remotely benefits outweigh

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the risk. Like, it's shockingly to the other

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side. And and I I frankly, my opinion,

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the evidence shows that there's not even remotely

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effective and whatever that even actually means unless

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the effectiveness is what they're designed to do,

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which is hurt people. Because I I and

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so you can't pretend like we can just

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let that continue because that is the very

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problem. And, you know, this is how it

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goes back and forth and the things continue

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down on the same path. And I think

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that what we can see is that the

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same thing is going forward, the same schedule,

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a lot of like you said, the statements

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about things that I really do hope come

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to pass or, for example, on the placebo

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point, like, what what about if they have

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do what they've always done, which is, yeah,

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we'll use a placebo, but we'll use a

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meningitis vaccine, you know, in a way that

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makes it clearly seem as if there's a

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less disparity between saline and something else. Now

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that they use they argue those are placebos

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in the conversation. You know, we have to

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wait to see things actually happen before we

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start making these claims. But And just one

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more time. You know, you can you can

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change

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make all these changes

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to the design of clinical trials,

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but FDA needs to get out to the

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clinical trial sites Yes. And do their job

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and and enforce,

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excuse me, get these inspectors out to the

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sites to to verify the data. Otherwise,

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it's just a rigged placebo controlled trial.

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Well, I I'm glad you said that because

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I was gonna say this before. To your

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the point that's important there is that, you

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know, yes, you can have all this conversation

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about every part of the process, but if

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they're simply relying to begin with on data

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that's that could be fraudulent,

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then everything else doesn't matter. You know, like,

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that's that's the core of it, you know,

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or at least the very at the very

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least, it could be manipulated. And this has

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been your whole point from the very beginning,

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you know. And it's why, again, I think

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your work is profoundly important in this conversation

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or just in a health focused conversation in

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general. I hope people That's I mean, I

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focus on that, you know, that that's kind

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of what affected me,

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personally.

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And I just you know, find your space,

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ma'am, whatever it is. You know, whatever you

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whatever is important to you, stay focused,

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there, but take the time to learn about

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these different areas of of concern,

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and and keep doing what you're doing to

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get the information out. We do reach people,

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you know. Definitely.

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And if I just reach one a day,

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you know, if somebody's like, what? That's crazy.

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I didn't know that. To me, like, I

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feel like I've done my job because

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I don't really have one anymore because Pfizer

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got me fired.

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Right. Right. Well, I agree completely, and I

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think that's the best way to look at

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this. You know? It's I and, obviously, I

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think we're reaching way more than that, but

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I agree with you is that, you know,

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just that if you change one person's mind,

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you don't know how that will cascade through

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the future. I'm actually not even gonna change

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your mind. I just wanna inform you of

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what's actually happening. You know, I'm glad you

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said that because I I completely agree. It's

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not about well, the way the way I

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mean that is ultimately give you information to

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potentially change the way you see things. But

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I agree. It's not about that we want

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you to think the way I think. It's

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just if we can influence with facts more

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people every day, that will most definitely change

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things. And they tell their friends and they

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grow up and they tell their family. You

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know? It's it's profound. So thank you for

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saying that. And, you know, I again, I

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think it's important that people support your work,

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to reach out in front and I I

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I'll include everything we discussed today, including, oh,

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you know, I'll I'll show you afterward. I

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was gonna show you something. And I'll I'll

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include your links here for people to check

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you out, and just please support her work

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because she is doing amazing things out there.

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Anything else you wanna leave us with before

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we take off today? Any updates or things

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coming up in the future?

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Oh, well, we do have our re, reply

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brief due,

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in just a few weeks. We'll probably we'll

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likely request an extension. So it may be

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a month, maybe more before,

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we're able to get get that filed with

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the circuit court

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or, excuse me, the appellate

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the appellate court. But, oh, I just I

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have fun coming on here. I appreciate the

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opportunity to to give an update, and thank

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you for doing what what you do and

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getting the information to the people so that

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they can make an informed decision.

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And,

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I do. I love I love your saying,

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like, question everything.

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That's so important to me. And, you know,

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one of one of my friends on x,

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told me a long time ago,

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trust no one.

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So I trust no one and I question

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everything. So I just I appreciate that for

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sure. Well, thank you. And, you know, I

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I can see your friend, Brooke, and I'm

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I'm glad you came back on and let's

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connect again in the future because I don't

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think this is gonna get less important as

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time goes on. So let's stay in touch.

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And as always, everyone out there, question everything.

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Come to your own conclusions.

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Stay vigilant.

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We should be having a public dialogue, and

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it should be something that rises to the

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level of legislation. We should not allow the

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National Institutes of Health or the Department of

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Defense to allocate funding to amplify these agents

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so that, allegedly, we can study them in

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the case that they fall into the hands

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of bad people. Because the evidence

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has shown us

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that the bad people who actually have unleashed

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these pathogens

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since 1991

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and by the way, if you go to

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miscellaneous memorandum seven and other documents,

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we can go back to the nineteen fifties.

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The bad people who unleashed these things on

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the population

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are us.

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It is The US who's doing it.