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Welcome to another IMA panel, the Independent Media

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Alliance. Today, we are discussing a fantastic article

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by Catherine Austin Fitts in regard to the

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coming digital control grid. Now we've all been

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doing a lot of work in a lot

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of different ways discussing sort of the building,

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you know, I mean, the the great reset

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essentially. Every single data point around that conversation

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that seems to have continued

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under the US government of today. And so

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we wanted to discuss today the different points

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of where that's been building, what we can

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see, and talk about the possible solutions around

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each one. So thank you all for being

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here today. We wanna kick this off with

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Catherine Austin Fitts, telling us about her article,

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and then we can go through the point.

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So go ahead, Catherine.

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Yep. Well, you're muted, Catherine.

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Still muted, Catherine. Yep. Okay. Here we go.

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Thank you, Ryan, and thank you for pulling

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us all together and gathering us this way.

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I recently published an article called,

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Wait, let me just get back to it.

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You threw me off there. Oh, I'm sorry.

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Wait a minute.

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The fast approaching digital control grid a checklist

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of Trump administration

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actions to date

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when trump,

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right after he was inaugurated

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he did a press

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conference with several big tech billionaires

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and

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announced,

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initiatives

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the Stargate initiative to put together data centers

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all across the country

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and combine it with mRNA,

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injections.

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And it was clearly a major step forward

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in building an AI,

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engineered control grid.

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And he announced energy policies that would support

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it.

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And

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so I put together an article literally in

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the first couple weeks that showed all the

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different things the Trump administration

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was doing

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to build a a digital control grid.

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And, what I discovered with that article was

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that

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many people,

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you know, they see the individual pieces, but

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they don't see how they come together

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in a control grid, which completely

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overruns The US constitution

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and changes our fundamental

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governance structure, including moving control of fiscal policy

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and taxation

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to the central banks. And so,

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ever since that article, I've been tracking and

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just amazed

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both at all the things they're doing to

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build the digital control grid,

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but also all the things they're not doing.

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If you if you were serious about reverting

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the corruption

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in the last four or five administrations,

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they're not doing any of those things.

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So or or I should say not,

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they're not doing very many of those things.

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They've done a few things that, in my

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opinion,

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you know, create great headlines, but they're minor.

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And so I put up, a new piece

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where I just extended the old piece and

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I had,

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I I went sort of through my summary

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and then I went through different categories. The

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first, let me just describe the categories.

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The first was money. The second was the

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war on cash. The third was financial disclosure,

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which to me is a major, major issue.

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The fourth was digital IDs. We've never seen

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an administration more aggressive on digital IDs, which

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we know is the next big step to

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building the control grid.

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And then,

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digital payment,

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systems.

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finally, let me go down the Internet of

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bodies, and that gets into the mRNA, telecommunication

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systems,

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changes in assets and how federal assets are

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managed, and finally energy, because we know

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that the digital control grid is unbelievably energy

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consumptive.

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looking at both budget, federal reserve and some

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other minor things. And,

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you know, by gathering everything together, it was

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funny. I kept asking,

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people kept asking me about why do you

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think they're building the digital control grid. And

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Ryan, literally the list got so long that

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I found myself doing interviews and for, you

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know, forgetting to mention one. So I thought,

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okay, I need a checklist.

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So this is Catherine's interview checklist, or that's

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what it started out at. But as you

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can see, there is extraordinary

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number

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of items, and this is this is not

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an accident. People say, well, we're sure Trump

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doesn't know. Of course, he knows. This is

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obvious.

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my hope is that there because there are

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so many real solutions,

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you know, but they all require us getting

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out of the pendulum between

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what I call the political version

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of your food choices, McDonald's or Burger King.

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Mhmm. You know, your your political choices are

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not,

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you know, one part of the party

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versus the other part. You know? We have

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real choices,

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but we have to just leave the, you

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know, the pendulum between the different parts of

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the uni party behind.

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And my hope is that this will help

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people see the different parts

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of the digital control grid coming and understand

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their time is much better spent,

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you know, instead of watching TV and being

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entertained by Donald Trump. It's much better spent

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stopping the real ID

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or working with state legislators to do things

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to protect financial transaction freedom. Anyway, so that's

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my introduction. I really appreciate all you guys

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coming together

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to talk about this because anything we can

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do to help people see

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how these different pieces snap together in a

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literally a digital concentration camp. And the more

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people who create friction and refuse to go

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along the better off. We all are

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Couldn't agree more and since we got everyone

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here now, we can go through the quick

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roundabout here We have jason burmas today ian

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davis on the top right steve boykinen kitt

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knightley in the middle katharine austin fits derrick

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bros And, you know in general today, katharine

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is any any spot that you'd like to

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start on in regard to the list or

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should we just start with the top with

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money? I I would start down because we

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sort of go inside out but perfect.

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essentially destroy you know, ending currency as we

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know it. Yeah. Well, as you write in

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the the basic summary, all and all digital

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currency and monetary system is essential to institute

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a digital control grid. So different than the

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actual digital monetary system around it all, the

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specific digital currency dynamic. And you mentioned the

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the genius act, which I was looking over

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a second ago in regard to the, you

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admitted the legislation that's going forward. So So

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anybody want to jump in and kick it

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off? I mean, obviously, if it's out, can

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about, you know, we're not doing cbdcs and

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we're canceling cbdcs and people think that has

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it would have been done by the Fed.

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New York Fed. And if you look at

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the Genius Act, it's just saying all the

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guys who own the Fed

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are going to create subsidiaries and do stable

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coins, which is You know is basically programmable

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money with less oversight by congress So it's

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sort of, you know, meet the new boss

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same as the old boss There's you know,

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it's it's a different version of cbdc

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out. There's less oversight, so it's the same

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problem, but far, you know, there's there's a

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worse version of it, which is such a

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way this always goes where they give you

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something everyone wants to push back on. Usually,

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you get, like, a less bad version that

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you accept. This just seems like a worse

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version, but it's more of a kind of

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a shell game. So anybody wanna jump in

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on that topic? You know? Digital IDs, like,

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you know, the way it all or I'll

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also specifically, sorry, back to digital currency in

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particular and how we see that going. Any

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thoughts jump to mind for anybody? Well, you've

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seen a a the rise of Brock Pierce.

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kind of taking a a major

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foothold

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going forward.

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invested and then another round of several hundred

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million dollars invested, all the position Tether. And,

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again, Brock Pierce

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in this particular position of leverage.

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kind of finally seeing, like,

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the the merger of

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with a nice tight federal

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And did anybody vote on this? Was anybody

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asked about this? Did anybody give an opinion

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to where it may be in the contrary

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of no, I would rather not have my

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entire financial system

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be on a blockchain where at the whim

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of some bureaucrat, I can have my entire

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life shut off. I don't I don't think

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any of this occurred,

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but it's still happening.

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And the people that are assembled here and

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a handful of more people are about the

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only ones willing to say anything

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at the expense of algorithmic reach or, you

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know, the expense of our shows or whatever

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else we're we're trying to put out.

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this?

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that is, but there is some feedback.

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I would say this. I mean, right now,

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you know, we're in the first three months

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of the administration.

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I think it's pretty obvious or it should

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be to most people that inflation is going

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nowhere.

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really go anywhere after after they printed all

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that money up during the COVID nineteen eighty

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four nightmare.

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I think that the talking points of going

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into Fort Knox

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and, the New York Federal Reserve are great.

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I don't think they're ever going to come

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I also believe that most of us kinda

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saw the head butting of Powell and Trump,

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in these rates. And all the while, what

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what's happening right now? Gold is exploding as

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a hard asset. Silver is doing very well,

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and Bitcoin is back on the rise.

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imagine with the right economic turmoil and headline,

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we could see Bitcoin actually not go to

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a million. You know, those people are always

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going high, but maybe reach a high of

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a hundred 20, hundred and 20 5 thousand.

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What does that mean for the next, you

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know,

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market in crypto? I think you see Ethereum

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and all these meme coins explode. In fact,

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Trump, I I just saw a report today,

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is gonna be having a meeting with the,

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top holders of his meme coin. Right? Remember

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when Trump came out

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and that just exploded? So I think there's

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gonna be a lot of exploitation

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on that level as they move more people

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into the comfort of using this device on

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the blockchain.

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For instance, Venmo,

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PayPal, you can buy Bitcoin on there right

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now. You know what I mean? And I'm

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sure that's going to go into more and

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more crypto.

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I think they will hedge their bets. And,

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you know, kinda like we talked even before

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the administration took place, we all

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know that a digital currency is part of

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the plan. So that's gonna be pushed forward.

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I mean, to imagine it would not be

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when Peter Thiel was such a huge part

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of the push at the very end of

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this administration

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getting in, You have Vance, etcetera.

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I don't know what the public's gonna think

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about it. I mean, I think if you

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keep it so people

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can still afford things

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and you still have the rhetoric on television,

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Unfortunately, I don't know how we get back

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to a a a pushback on that. I

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I don't believe anybody here thinks that we're

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gonna get an honest

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audit of the Federal Reserve, etcetera. I'd love

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to see that. You know, I there's been

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talks of Ron Paul. Those talks went away

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very, very quickly.

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So, unfortunately,

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you know and in this very, first part,

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Catherine talks about an AI and crypto czar.

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You know, one of the things that wasn't

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really highlighted in the article that's extremely concerning

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to me

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is that, well, AI is a buzzword.

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We have we've not taken out the government

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fascistic aspect of AI in that the chief

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AI AI officer, artificial intelligence officer program,

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is still going. And that means that our

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government

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is literally involved at the defense department level

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on every company developing both software and hardware

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in this regard and essentially,

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decides how far it goes. I mean,

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all these companies are being audited by the

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government. And, again, the only ones that are

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beyond this audit are government agencies. It says

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it right in the CAIO

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doctrine. Anybody can read right now. So that's

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extremely also concerning

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when we're talking about cryptocurrency because they are

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gonna end up going hand in hand. You

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know, I don't wanna take too much more

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time, but,

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unfortunately, in this regard,

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I don't necessarily

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know how you slow this down.

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And instead, I think that people are going

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to have to navigate it

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by, you know, multiple investments in multiple things

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and really hard assets and resources

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like actual

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physical property, like you've done, Ryan. You know,

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owning your own home, owning your own piece

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of land, knowing your neighbors, etcetera,

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creating your own barter type systems, which still

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do exist in pockets of The United States

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outside of these big cities that they don't

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wanna tell you about, even in the big

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cities as well. So that's kinda my thoughts

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on the monetary system. I I would love

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to believe that we're gonna have some kind

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of, quote, unquote, golden age and economic boom,

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but I only see really that economic scale

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out up

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if people start adopting

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the, the digital grid. Right? Then they'll give

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them a little bit of a bone to

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encourage other people to get on the train

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before they pull the rug out. Mhmm.

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Mhmm. I'd like to jump in real quick

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if I can. Can you guys hear me

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okay?

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Yep. Cool. We'll like

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Yeah. Catherine, thank you for putting that together.

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I was just looking over. I hadn't had

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a chance to look at it before today,

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but I think it's a great summary of

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everything going on and for people to really

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get a grips of the the role that

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the Trump administration's playing. I just would wanted

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to add two things. One,

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just to for a brief moment to say,

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I told you so, and go back to

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some articles that I wrote at the last

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American Vagabond

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prior to the election. And, you know, a

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lot of people didn't wanna listen, pointing out

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all the connections with Peter Thiel, the connections

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with Elon Musk, of course, military industrial complex,

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etcetera, etcetera.

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And, thankfully, more and more people, I think,

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are listening. Of course, there's the die hard

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MAGA folks who aren't gonna hear anything we're

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saying regardless. But I do think even those

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who are optimistic and skeptically voting for Trump

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or, you know, just didn't like Harris or

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whatever and felt this was the only choice

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they could make are now starting to see

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a bigger picture.

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I'd also like to point to, I don't

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know if you already have it pulled up,

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Ryan, or not, but we just published a

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new article I wrote at the last break

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of Vagabond

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yesterday called the Palantir welcome to the Palantir

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world order, which kind of picks up on

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the threads that you were pointing out, Catherine.

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There's just one area I did want to

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to mention just in terms of the finances.

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I found a report from ProPublica talking about,

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Peter Thiel, a Peter Thiel funded company as

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well as connected to all the usual players,

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Andreessen Howards and, David Sachs is in there.

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The company you guys may have heard of

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called Ramp, which is a financial company. They

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focus on doing AI software for businesses,

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kind of helping them analyze their their finances.

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And I've seen more and more people using

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this company, but ProPublica

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is reporting that there have been four private

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meetings recently with Ramp executives and the Trump

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administration's,

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appointees to the general service administration,

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which obviously focuses on federal contracts.

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And you look into who who Ramp is,

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of course, they're funded by Pierre Teal through

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the founders fund in seven different rounds.

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They also have,

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Keith Robos, I think is how you say

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his name, Khosla Ventures,

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with also Thrive Capital, which is, of course,

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Joshua Kushner, Jared Kushner's brother, Trump's son-in-law.

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And then eight VC, which is a venture

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capital firm funded by Joe Lonsdale, who is,

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of course, another cofounder of Palantir with Peter

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Thiel and Alex Karp. And so the General

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Service Administration, which handles federal contracts, is now

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potentially going to partner with Ramp, which is

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a total Peter Thiel

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cabal fund company to start handling,

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some of their federal contracts. So just another

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piece of that puzzle of how

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this,

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you know, the the Thiel acolytes and those

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connected in that whole universe are are getting

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further ingratiated there. I also wanna point out,

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we did report it last American Vagabond months

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ago, and I know we talked about on

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our previous panels here.

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The the role that Howard Lutnick is playing,

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Steve,

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mentioned,

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Brock Pierce. Brock Pierce. But Howard Lucknow as

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well is a big component of this and

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a big piece of the puzzle. His connections

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to Tether,

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of course, him as commerce secretary.

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Again, I I say it half jokingly, but

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also, like,

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I told you so. We told you so.

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The information was all there. So no big

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surprises for me, but, hopefully, putting it together

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in this format that you have, Catherine, as

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well as the article I just put out,

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which similarly tried to just summarize all these

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different areas that we're seeing Peter Thiel connected,

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companies and, of course, Palantir directly. Palantir partnering

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with the IRS.

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SpaceX and Palantir are saying they're gonna build

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the Golden Dome over America.

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Palantir helping ICE find,

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immigrants and

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probably more people in the in the future.

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And then as I mentioned, the the payment

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platform also, Peter Thiel is getting involved with

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nuclear energy through a company called General Matter,

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which is starting to partner with Department of

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Energy.

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Yeah. So just there's so many examples, and,

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of course, that doesn't even get into Israel

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and the connections

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there. So, I mean, even going beyond just

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the focus of the digital aspect, which is

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obviously a big cornerstone of the puzzle, we're

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seeing Palantir and Peter Thiel and the whole

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PayPal mafia

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all up in the the federal government in

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various contracts in different ways.

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Most definitely. And and, well, I think we'll

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we'll there's a surveillance point where I'm gonna

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definitely bring a lot of that in in

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regard to Palantir in particular to total information

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awareness, like, obvious kind of development. But and

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and excellent points in general. To the actual

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ramp point you brought up, and I was

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curious if, Catherine, or anybody else, what your

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thoughts are on this. Because I had this

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pulled up in in the overlap to the

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digital currency conversation.

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Now, you know, any real financial dynamic like

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this would be just one more way they

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could kind of co work you into that.

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But I wondered, Catherine, anybody else, if you

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have any thoughts on this further. So I

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just wanted to jump in because,

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and pick up on a couple things that

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that Derek said.

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One, if you look at

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if if you and I were if this

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group of people were to go into the

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US government and say, we're gonna get to

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the bottom of where the fraud has been

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going on and and stop it,

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we would have gone to HUD and DOD.

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If we said we're gonna build a social

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credit system to control,

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what we would do is we would go

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to the treasury payment data, the Social Security

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payment data, and the IRS payment data, which

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is exactly where they went like a heat

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seeking missile.

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And and we would basically

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download that data and,

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and provide it to

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our partnership

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between

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Musk's AI company and Palantir.

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And if you read the wired reports, that's

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exactly what they did.

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So, you know, at one point, Naomi Wolf

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said that's a trillion dollars worth of data.

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And in fact, if you look at high

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quality payment data of that kind,

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you know, I don't think that's an unreasonable

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estimate.

540
00:20:33,380 --> 00:20:33,859
So,

541
00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:35,400
so

542
00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:38,419
if you look at the data game, they

543
00:20:38,419 --> 00:20:39,640
are clearly building,

544
00:20:42,085 --> 00:20:44,325
you know, the control grid. And Palantir's role

545
00:20:44,325 --> 00:20:45,845
in this is critical, which is why I'm

546
00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:47,785
so glad you guys have published this

547
00:20:48,244 --> 00:20:50,804
recent piece. I also wanna mention something else.

548
00:20:50,804 --> 00:20:53,285
Does everybody remember when when we would send

549
00:20:53,285 --> 00:20:53,785
over,

550
00:20:54,804 --> 00:20:57,200
pallets of cash to Iraq? Mhmm.

551
00:20:58,059 --> 00:20:58,559
Okay.

552
00:20:59,179 --> 00:20:59,679
Stablecoins

553
00:21:00,539 --> 00:21:02,480
working through mobile payment systems

554
00:21:03,259 --> 00:21:04,319
are the new

555
00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:06,639
pallets of cash

556
00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:08,399
that are gonna go global.

557
00:21:09,015 --> 00:21:11,654
So this is just like one company used

558
00:21:11,654 --> 00:21:13,575
to tender for the stock of another company

559
00:21:13,575 --> 00:21:14,315
in the market.

560
00:21:14,775 --> 00:21:17,654
The US is planning using stable coins, which,

561
00:21:17,654 --> 00:21:18,394
of course,

562
00:21:18,855 --> 00:21:20,934
bring more money into the dollar and the

563
00:21:20,934 --> 00:21:22,234
dollar market share.

564
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:24,990
They are literally, through the mobile payment systems,

565
00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:26,289
gonna try and tender

566
00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:29,470
for as many citizens worldwide as they can

567
00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:30,609
get into the system.

568
00:21:31,390 --> 00:21:33,150
And if you look at some of the

569
00:21:33,150 --> 00:21:35,309
planning, not only do they plan to send

570
00:21:35,309 --> 00:21:37,470
out the stable coins, but they're planning on

571
00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:37,970
issuing,

572
00:21:38,535 --> 00:21:40,934
it looks to me, like massive amounts of

573
00:21:40,934 --> 00:21:44,215
credit. So literally everybody over the around the

574
00:21:44,215 --> 00:21:45,755
world can borrow money

575
00:21:46,215 --> 00:21:48,075
in stable coins, and

576
00:21:48,615 --> 00:21:50,695
and then they get you on the stable

577
00:21:50,695 --> 00:21:53,994
coin platform. So it's it's it's gonna be

578
00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,470
an and they think they can get billions

579
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:59,950
of people moved into the dollar channel through

580
00:21:59,950 --> 00:22:00,450
stablecoins.

581
00:22:01,309 --> 00:22:03,070
And and if you look at their sort

582
00:22:03,070 --> 00:22:05,230
of vision of where the dollar system is

583
00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:08,430
gonna go, it's absolutely critical. So this is

584
00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:11,085
a completely global game. The other thing I

585
00:22:11,085 --> 00:22:13,345
wanted to mention is right now,

586
00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:15,505
inflation was caused

587
00:22:15,805 --> 00:22:18,365
by the massive injection by the Fed during

588
00:22:18,365 --> 00:22:19,664
the going direct reset.

589
00:22:20,444 --> 00:22:22,684
But the thing that is pushing inflation now

590
00:22:22,684 --> 00:22:24,845
and is gonna continue to push it is

591
00:22:24,845 --> 00:22:25,345
deglobalization.

592
00:22:26,419 --> 00:22:26,919
Deglobalization

593
00:22:27,539 --> 00:22:28,440
is very

594
00:22:29,059 --> 00:22:30,980
inflating as the real cost of goods sold,

595
00:22:30,980 --> 00:22:32,599
but it's happening on the real side,

596
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:35,059
real asset side of the balance sheet. And

597
00:22:35,059 --> 00:22:36,579
I think part of what they're hoping to

598
00:22:36,579 --> 00:22:38,599
do is match it with this unbelievable

599
00:22:39,059 --> 00:22:39,559
flood

600
00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:41,005
of stablecoins

601
00:22:41,464 --> 00:22:43,804
and and credit that they're working on, which

602
00:22:44,184 --> 00:22:45,704
is, I mean, if you think we're in

603
00:22:45,704 --> 00:22:46,284
a a

604
00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:47,325
ridiculous

605
00:22:47,625 --> 00:22:49,464
debt bubble now, where do you see this?

606
00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:51,164
This is gonna be something else.

607
00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:54,500
I wanted you to be getting real quick

608
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,039
on Theo just quickly,

609
00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:59,079
because you mentioned the nuclear aspect

610
00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:01,460
of of the investments. We also have to

611
00:23:01,460 --> 00:23:04,839
remember that Theo was essential in the rise

612
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:05,720
of Facebook.

613
00:23:06,585 --> 00:23:09,304
You know, obviously, Palantir is concerning. You mentioned

614
00:23:09,304 --> 00:23:12,345
Alex Karp. Bilderberg's coming up literally, I think,

615
00:23:12,345 --> 00:23:14,825
within the month over in Switzerland. I'm gonna

616
00:23:14,825 --> 00:23:16,664
be keeping my eye on that. But one

617
00:23:16,664 --> 00:23:18,444
of the things that has been downplayed

618
00:23:18,904 --> 00:23:21,619
is the fact that we've had Meta now

619
00:23:21,619 --> 00:23:24,259
announce that they're building a data center in

620
00:23:24,259 --> 00:23:26,919
Kentucky almost the size of Lower Manhattan.

621
00:23:27,859 --> 00:23:30,900
And they'll have all the energy in the

622
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:33,799
world, again, to run these AI data centers.

623
00:23:34,099 --> 00:23:35,240
Well, it's Meta,

624
00:23:35,804 --> 00:23:37,184
it's Google, etcetera,

625
00:23:37,484 --> 00:23:40,224
that have now invested in these mini nuclear

626
00:23:40,365 --> 00:23:42,384
plants that they are going to have supposedly

627
00:23:42,684 --> 00:23:43,184
on-site.

628
00:23:43,804 --> 00:23:46,544
So they plan on powering these things

629
00:23:47,244 --> 00:23:48,384
with mini plants

630
00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:50,450
around these areas. So remember what I just

631
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:53,329
said. These centers are are the size. Go

632
00:23:53,329 --> 00:23:55,429
go watch the map overlay

633
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:58,789
of Lower Manhattan. How big this will be.

634
00:23:59,169 --> 00:24:00,630
Think about that for a moment.

635
00:24:01,125 --> 00:24:03,445
That type of technology is now going to

636
00:24:03,445 --> 00:24:05,605
be fast tracked, not for you and I,

637
00:24:05,605 --> 00:24:08,744
not for cheaper power, but for AI

638
00:24:09,365 --> 00:24:09,865
driven

639
00:24:10,164 --> 00:24:10,664
authoritarianism.

640
00:24:11,605 --> 00:24:13,845
I mean, that's that's a legit point that

641
00:24:13,845 --> 00:24:16,200
no one seems to be talking about. And,

642
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,659
again, Theo was essential

643
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,059
in the come up of Zuckerberg,

644
00:24:20,679 --> 00:24:21,179
Facebook,

645
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:22,059
Meta,

646
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:23,099
everything.

647
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:26,059
And just one more point on social media.

648
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,200
You know, we had that executive order, and

649
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,640
I was very skeptical of it in the

650
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,000
beginning. I think we did a forum on

651
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,325
it We're we're gonna stop the censorship of

652
00:24:33,325 --> 00:24:34,224
social media.

653
00:24:34,684 --> 00:24:36,545
Where's that? That's not real.

654
00:24:37,404 --> 00:24:38,625
Even yesterday,

655
00:24:39,244 --> 00:24:41,164
I posted, you know, I've got dead kids

656
00:24:41,164 --> 00:24:42,684
in my feed every every day. I don't

657
00:24:42,684 --> 00:24:44,285
know if you guys saw it, but twin

658
00:24:44,285 --> 00:24:46,065
girls, four years old in Gaza,

659
00:24:46,365 --> 00:24:49,460
dead. I reposted it. I said, hey.

660
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,440
You know, when am I gonna stop seeing

661
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,619
dead kids in my feed? I had people.

662
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,359
And now they weren't in The United States

663
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,039
Of America, but they're not allowed to even

664
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:58,740
watch that video in Europe

665
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,580
and places in, South America. They it's just

666
00:25:03,065 --> 00:25:05,065
they comply, and that's x. That's supposed to

667
00:25:05,065 --> 00:25:07,065
free speech platform with his musk or nuts

668
00:25:07,065 --> 00:25:09,384
friend. So I'll I'll stop my little tirade,

669
00:25:09,384 --> 00:25:11,244
and I will allow somebody else to comment.

670
00:25:12,424 --> 00:25:15,720
Yeah. You're going back to, what Catherine was

671
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,119
saying there about, you know, the the the

672
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,920
global nature of this. And, obviously, we're talking

673
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,240
about the the impact of people like Thiel

674
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,279
and Musk and Anderson and people like that

675
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,000
in American politics and, you know, their impact

676
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,974
and leveraging the Trump administration.

677
00:25:31,994 --> 00:25:33,755
But if you go back to, I think

678
00:25:33,755 --> 00:25:35,115
it was 02/2009,

679
00:25:35,115 --> 00:25:37,454
Thiel wrote an article where he spoke about

680
00:25:37,595 --> 00:25:39,595
his ambitions to create, and this is a

681
00:25:39,595 --> 00:25:41,535
direct quote, a new world currency.

682
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,160
Mhmm. Well, if you if you It it

683
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,720
was 2010, and we just played the full

684
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,740
text of it on the show yesterday.

685
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:49,619
Yeah.

686
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,279
So so the the notion of creating a

687
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:54,339
new world currency

688
00:25:55,394 --> 00:25:58,375
with using dollar backed stable coins,

689
00:25:58,994 --> 00:26:00,755
I think that if you you can look

690
00:26:00,755 --> 00:26:01,255
at,

691
00:26:01,955 --> 00:26:04,035
a plan, I think, that was that was

692
00:26:04,035 --> 00:26:06,674
that was at least being thought about in

693
00:26:06,674 --> 00:26:07,555
2019

694
00:26:07,555 --> 00:26:09,255
in terms of making it a practical

695
00:26:09,779 --> 00:26:11,700
plan. And that's something that I always refer

696
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,180
to as a a speech that Mark Carney

697
00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:16,420
gave at the g seven Symposium in Jackson

698
00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:17,720
Hole in 2019,

699
00:26:18,019 --> 00:26:19,779
where he spoke about this notion of what

700
00:26:19,779 --> 00:26:22,200
he called a synthetic hegemonic currency.

701
00:26:23,414 --> 00:26:23,914
Now

702
00:26:24,454 --> 00:26:25,994
shortly following that,

703
00:26:26,694 --> 00:26:29,974
speech, that's when Facebook, which obviously Thiel was,

704
00:26:29,974 --> 00:26:31,974
you know, instrumental in. And I think I

705
00:26:31,974 --> 00:26:32,474
think,

706
00:26:32,855 --> 00:26:35,174
Zuckerberg, when Thiel left the board of face

707
00:26:35,494 --> 00:26:37,674
of Meta, but when it had become Meta,

708
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:40,110
he I think he was quoted as saying

709
00:26:40,110 --> 00:26:43,250
that, he considered Teal to be a mentor

710
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:45,170
in, business,

711
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:47,570
in in industry, and in life.

712
00:26:48,269 --> 00:26:51,410
So so Zuckerberg was obviously impressed with Teal.

713
00:26:53,424 --> 00:26:53,924
And

714
00:26:54,865 --> 00:26:56,484
this notion of this synthetic

715
00:26:56,785 --> 00:26:57,285
hegemonic

716
00:26:57,664 --> 00:26:58,164
currency,

717
00:26:59,664 --> 00:27:02,384
Carney said that there were options on the

718
00:27:02,384 --> 00:27:03,984
table. So, you know, I mean, the you

719
00:27:03,984 --> 00:27:06,384
know, things like central bank digital currency, but

720
00:27:06,384 --> 00:27:07,830
also in particular,

721
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:09,029
a stablecoin

722
00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:10,390
started by

723
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:12,390
Facebook in Facebook,

724
00:27:13,009 --> 00:27:15,190
called Libra, which then became Diem.

725
00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:17,170
And that and that,

726
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:18,789
stablecoin,

727
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:20,470
funnily enough,

728
00:27:22,125 --> 00:27:24,845
Facebook itself in an SEC filing I keep

729
00:27:24,845 --> 00:27:26,845
saying Facebook, but I can't remember quite when

730
00:27:26,845 --> 00:27:27,805
they became Meta. But,

731
00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:32,365
but in an SEC filing, they openly stated

732
00:27:32,365 --> 00:27:34,445
in that filing that they didn't think that

733
00:27:34,445 --> 00:27:37,265
the, Libra project would work

734
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:40,099
because they realized that the regulation wasn't in

735
00:27:40,099 --> 00:27:42,200
place to allow it to work.

736
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:43,400
So,

737
00:27:44,339 --> 00:27:46,579
also, when you think about their the people

738
00:27:46,579 --> 00:27:48,660
like Teal that have got a a they're

739
00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:49,960
very close to

740
00:27:50,284 --> 00:27:52,605
people that that, obsessed with this notion of

741
00:27:52,605 --> 00:27:53,744
something called accelerationism,

742
00:27:54,284 --> 00:27:56,924
which is wrapped up in this notion of

743
00:27:56,924 --> 00:27:59,345
something called the dark enlightenment and all this.

744
00:28:00,365 --> 00:28:03,325
They believe in creative destruction of markets. They

745
00:28:03,325 --> 00:28:05,325
think this is an important tool to be

746
00:28:05,325 --> 00:28:05,825
deployed.

747
00:28:06,419 --> 00:28:08,119
Well, if you look at Libra,

748
00:28:08,899 --> 00:28:09,639
that looks

749
00:28:10,259 --> 00:28:12,659
like an aggressive attack on the monetary system

750
00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:14,759
in terms if you consider the the monetary

751
00:28:14,899 --> 00:28:16,440
system to be a market,

752
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:18,740
that was an aggressive attack on that and

753
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:20,535
certainly on the traditional role of the central

754
00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:22,215
banks in terms of them being able to

755
00:28:22,215 --> 00:28:23,515
issue money,

756
00:28:24,695 --> 00:28:25,095
that,

757
00:28:25,575 --> 00:28:27,914
you know, this this that that created

758
00:28:28,455 --> 00:28:28,955
the

759
00:28:29,335 --> 00:28:31,115
the framework for the regulatory,

760
00:28:32,695 --> 00:28:33,195
process.

761
00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:35,740
And, you you know, we have people like

762
00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:38,619
Thiel and and and Zuckerberg were meeting in

763
00:28:38,619 --> 00:28:40,380
the with Trump in the first during the

764
00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:41,599
first his first administration

765
00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:44,400
in private for private meetings

766
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,119
when Zuckerberg was being quizzed about Libra

767
00:28:47,565 --> 00:28:49,005
in front of the in front of the

768
00:28:49,005 --> 00:28:50,764
world and in certainly in front of the

769
00:28:50,764 --> 00:28:52,684
senate and and, you know, in front of

770
00:28:52,684 --> 00:28:53,585
various committees.

771
00:28:54,044 --> 00:28:55,984
They were having private meetings,

772
00:28:56,845 --> 00:28:58,065
and lo and behold,

773
00:28:59,005 --> 00:29:01,024
shortly after those meetings,

774
00:29:03,539 --> 00:29:06,420
the the DM project, which it had become

775
00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:09,380
by then, suddenly became it was initially, it

776
00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:10,980
was gonna be backed by a basket of

777
00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:13,460
currencies, and then it was backed after these

778
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:15,299
meetings, it was suddenly going to be backed

779
00:29:15,299 --> 00:29:16,980
one to one pegged to the dollar to

780
00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:18,914
you to US to the US dollar.

781
00:29:19,875 --> 00:29:22,035
Well, when you look more closely at the

782
00:29:22,035 --> 00:29:23,095
notion of

783
00:29:23,715 --> 00:29:24,215
interoperable

784
00:29:24,835 --> 00:29:26,615
currency, which is what,

785
00:29:27,955 --> 00:29:30,855
the Bank for International Settlements has been absolutely

786
00:29:31,234 --> 00:29:33,815
obsessed about for many, many years,

787
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:35,950
We've already seen

788
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:38,809
things like what a a team at Warwick

789
00:29:38,809 --> 00:29:39,309
University.

790
00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:40,990
They've already

791
00:29:41,369 --> 00:29:41,869
onboarded,

792
00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:43,950
in The US

793
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:45,070
using

794
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:48,924
from Fiat to a stablecoin, a USDC stablecoin,

795
00:29:48,985 --> 00:29:49,965
so this is circles.

796
00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:53,305
And then offboarded at the other end in

797
00:29:53,305 --> 00:29:53,805
France

798
00:29:54,424 --> 00:29:55,725
directly in euros

799
00:29:56,345 --> 00:29:57,485
in real time

800
00:29:57,945 --> 00:29:58,845
across borders

801
00:29:59,225 --> 00:30:01,965
with very, very, very low transaction fees

802
00:30:02,299 --> 00:30:03,200
with a transaction

803
00:30:03,579 --> 00:30:07,500
that absolutely tracked exchange rates between by naught

804
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:08,799
point naught 2%.

805
00:30:09,259 --> 00:30:11,579
So that naught point naught 2%

806
00:30:11,579 --> 00:30:12,079
was

807
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:14,159
more than saved,

808
00:30:15,315 --> 00:30:17,315
you know, was more than covered by the

809
00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:18,294
by the extremely

810
00:30:18,595 --> 00:30:21,954
cheap transaction fees. So that so they are

811
00:30:21,954 --> 00:30:22,454
building,

812
00:30:22,835 --> 00:30:25,394
I I suggest, and I think that the

813
00:30:25,394 --> 00:30:26,774
The US move towards

814
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,640
US dollar backed stable coins is very much

815
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,539
part of this.

816
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,619
They are building a global network of interoperable

817
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,539
digital currencies.

818
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,000
And I think when we the more that

819
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,359
you look at it, when you look think

820
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,015
about what Carney might have been talking about

821
00:30:44,015 --> 00:30:46,355
when he was talking about a synthetic hegemonic

822
00:30:46,575 --> 00:30:47,075
currency

823
00:30:47,535 --> 00:30:48,275
is that

824
00:30:48,734 --> 00:30:50,595
rather than rather than having,

825
00:30:51,535 --> 00:30:52,815
and it and it you know, and he

826
00:30:52,815 --> 00:30:54,974
was very much concerned about protecting the power

827
00:30:54,974 --> 00:30:57,569
of the dollar as well. And, clearly, with

828
00:30:57,569 --> 00:31:00,210
people like Thiel backing things like Paxos, which

829
00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:02,529
is a which is a a 1 to

830
00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:05,329
1 US dollar custodian of of its digi

831
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:06,549
digital stablecoin.

832
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:09,509
Things are moving in that direction,

833
00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:12,325
and it would seem that, you know, that

834
00:31:12,325 --> 00:31:13,384
in all likelihood,

835
00:31:14,404 --> 00:31:16,904
a US dollar denominated stablecoins

836
00:31:17,365 --> 00:31:18,984
are going to be the dominant

837
00:31:19,605 --> 00:31:22,244
kind of currency in a new model of

838
00:31:22,244 --> 00:31:24,805
international monetary and financial system, which is gonna

839
00:31:24,805 --> 00:31:25,259
be

840
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:26,640
wholly synthetic

841
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:30,079
and and therefore, they truly control.

842
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:33,599
So, Ian, let me ask you a question.

843
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:36,619
It looks to me like they're building this

844
00:31:36,619 --> 00:31:38,880
parallel track with stable coins

845
00:31:39,494 --> 00:31:41,815
so that they can bypass a lot of

846
00:31:41,815 --> 00:31:44,875
the national controls in the current banking system.

847
00:31:45,575 --> 00:31:47,035
So you're looking

848
00:31:47,815 --> 00:31:49,335
in in a funny kind of way, you're

849
00:31:49,335 --> 00:31:51,755
doing same old same old. You're just skipping

850
00:31:51,974 --> 00:31:53,434
all the different toll booths.

851
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,039
Is that fair to say? Yeah. I mean,

852
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,720
I I I think things are still up

853
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,799
in the air. I think there was there

854
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,660
was a there was a a notable,

855
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,980
exchange between Auguste and Carston

856
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:07,759
and,

857
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,974
I can't remember her name now.

858
00:32:11,654 --> 00:32:12,875
She's an academic. LeGarde.

859
00:32:13,335 --> 00:32:14,934
Oh, no. No. That's the one I know

860
00:32:14,934 --> 00:32:16,535
what you're talking about. Yeah. She was an

861
00:32:16,535 --> 00:32:18,775
she was an academic, and and he was

862
00:32:18,775 --> 00:32:20,615
saying that, you know, if if we're gonna,

863
00:32:20,934 --> 00:32:22,775
have these stable coins that are backed by

864
00:32:22,775 --> 00:32:24,875
US treasuries, why shouldn't we just,

865
00:32:25,339 --> 00:32:26,960
you know, use CBDC

866
00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:28,640
wholesale

867
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:29,440
CBDC

868
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:31,759
to you and and, you know,

869
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:34,460
trade assets as we normally have, but just

870
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:37,180
use wholesale CBDC. And her response to him

871
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:37,680
was,

872
00:32:38,619 --> 00:32:39,119
well,

873
00:32:39,525 --> 00:32:41,945
why should we bother with this third party?

874
00:32:42,404 --> 00:32:44,884
Why why do we have to trust central

875
00:32:44,884 --> 00:32:46,904
banks with all their strange biases?

876
00:32:47,445 --> 00:32:49,924
Why So why can't we trust why can't

877
00:32:49,924 --> 00:32:50,585
we trust,

878
00:32:51,445 --> 00:32:53,765
Paxos? You know? No. So I'll tell I'll

879
00:32:53,765 --> 00:32:54,904
I'll tell you why.

880
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:57,720
Right now, under the law, the Fed's problem

881
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,299
is it cannot do cbdc without authoring

882
00:33:00,679 --> 00:33:01,819
authorizing legislation,

883
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,159
and it still is under the rubric of

884
00:33:05,159 --> 00:33:05,319
con

885
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:06,700
congress.

886
00:33:07,335 --> 00:33:09,095
And it's one of the reasons they're trying

887
00:33:09,095 --> 00:33:11,174
to get a constitutional convention. It's one of

888
00:33:11,174 --> 00:33:12,934
the reasons they've been trying to wiggle out

889
00:33:12,934 --> 00:33:13,914
but right now

890
00:33:14,214 --> 00:33:17,255
The fed has too many disclosure obligations and

891
00:33:17,255 --> 00:33:18,634
congress still has jurisdiction

892
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:21,299
And that is a real sticking point. If

893
00:33:21,299 --> 00:33:23,460
you have to go get legislation and admit

894
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:26,339
what you're really gonna do. And stablecoin is

895
00:33:26,339 --> 00:33:27,400
a way to

896
00:33:28,019 --> 00:33:30,099
do the same thing because it's the owners

897
00:33:30,099 --> 00:33:31,299
of the New York Fed who are gonna

898
00:33:31,299 --> 00:33:33,875
control all the stablecoins. It's just, you know,

899
00:33:33,875 --> 00:33:36,434
it's just and there's one layer removed between

900
00:33:36,434 --> 00:33:37,654
congressional oversight,

901
00:33:38,115 --> 00:33:40,134
and you can have a lot more secrecy

902
00:33:40,914 --> 00:33:42,615
and and wiggle out of congress.

903
00:33:43,075 --> 00:33:43,894
That's why.

904
00:33:44,275 --> 00:33:46,035
Yeah. No. Definitely. I mean, if you think

905
00:33:46,035 --> 00:33:47,174
about the implications

906
00:33:47,795 --> 00:33:49,799
of what Trump was talking about in terms

907
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:50,859
of freedom cities,

908
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,440
so the this notion of these deregulated anything

909
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:54,940
goes,

910
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,759
sort of free for all development zones where

911
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,059
where the multinational corporations can

912
00:34:02,565 --> 00:34:04,825
research and develop to their heart's content,

913
00:34:05,684 --> 00:34:08,025
then, you know, companies like Tether,

914
00:34:09,045 --> 00:34:11,445
will be able to do whatever they want

915
00:34:11,445 --> 00:34:13,525
with regard to the development of their stable

916
00:34:13,525 --> 00:34:15,385
coins within those freedom zones.

917
00:34:16,739 --> 00:34:19,860
Literally literally beyond the well, it seems like

918
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:22,519
from from what they've suggested, beyond the jurisdiction

919
00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:24,599
of the federal government,

920
00:34:25,059 --> 00:34:28,340
if if they establish these, quote, unquote, freedom

921
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:28,840
cities.

922
00:34:29,565 --> 00:34:30,065
So

923
00:34:30,364 --> 00:34:32,525
so they are they are they are trying

924
00:34:32,525 --> 00:34:34,385
to create a privatized

925
00:34:35,964 --> 00:34:37,585
a a totally privatized

926
00:34:38,284 --> 00:34:40,385
international monetary and financial system,

927
00:34:40,764 --> 00:34:42,144
I I I think.

928
00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:44,030
I think and I think you're right. And

929
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:46,670
the question was whether these sustain these development

930
00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:49,710
zones, whether Prospera dynamics or not, are are

931
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:52,030
actually just another part of that same agenda,

932
00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:53,969
and they're just being, you know,

933
00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:57,054
you know, presented that way. Like like in

934
00:34:57,054 --> 00:34:59,614
Prospero using Starlink with the same, you know,

935
00:34:59,614 --> 00:35:01,295
Teal funded, you know, they're they're I think

936
00:35:01,295 --> 00:35:02,735
it's kind of like trial balloons for the

937
00:35:02,735 --> 00:35:04,574
same problem. And and it's the the they're

938
00:35:04,574 --> 00:35:06,494
using cryptocurrency. It's all kind of the same

939
00:35:06,494 --> 00:35:07,614
thing. But I think you're right. The way

940
00:35:07,614 --> 00:35:09,215
you can see this developing is clearly from

941
00:35:09,215 --> 00:35:11,489
a globalist perspective. I would I wanna point

942
00:35:11,489 --> 00:35:12,869
out that from from Facebook

943
00:35:13,489 --> 00:35:15,730
and Libra, like, imagine if that was Iran

944
00:35:15,730 --> 00:35:17,010
that did that, you know, where they just

945
00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:18,369
allowed this to go. You know, it's it's

946
00:35:18,369 --> 00:35:19,890
clearly being allowed. And what I think is

947
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:21,650
interesting to what Catherine was bringing up in

948
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:23,585
her in her article, the the genius act

949
00:35:23,585 --> 00:35:24,625
itself is I think you were kind of

950
00:35:24,625 --> 00:35:25,844
alluding to clearly

951
00:35:26,144 --> 00:35:27,905
highlights that only the federal entities are the

952
00:35:27,905 --> 00:35:29,105
ones that allowed to now do this, and

953
00:35:29,105 --> 00:35:30,464
they're just kind of taking control of the

954
00:35:30,464 --> 00:35:32,385
dynamic within it all. And I think that

955
00:35:32,385 --> 00:35:35,264
in coupling that with the real ID national

956
00:35:35,264 --> 00:35:35,764
identification,

957
00:35:36,144 --> 00:35:37,744
you know, all the it's just I don't

958
00:35:37,744 --> 00:35:38,978
I don't know why people people can't see

959
00:35:38,978 --> 00:35:40,610
how this is developing whether or not they

960
00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:42,869
want to admit that this is their plan.

961
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:45,010
It is the same agenda, which is kinda

962
00:35:45,010 --> 00:35:46,710
like the larger thing we're talking about today.

963
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:48,050
I don't know if, Kit, you wanted to

964
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:49,809
have any comments on this. I I did.

965
00:35:49,809 --> 00:35:51,650
I I just I just was gonna say

966
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:53,484
that if you look at the history of

967
00:35:53,484 --> 00:35:56,045
the the central bank digital currency issue, like,

968
00:35:56,045 --> 00:35:57,965
it explodes in 2020, and I think it

969
00:35:57,965 --> 00:35:58,864
was quite interesting.

970
00:35:59,644 --> 00:36:01,324
We got to the point in, like, late

971
00:36:01,324 --> 00:36:03,484
twenty twenty one, early '20 '20 '2 where

972
00:36:03,484 --> 00:36:06,204
basically something like a 50 of the 94

973
00:36:06,204 --> 00:36:08,679
global nations are all developing their own. And

974
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,280
the stick in the mud on this issue

975
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:10,780
was,

976
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,280
weirdly enough, usually The United States. All these

977
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,920
countries were publishing reports saying digital currency is

978
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,679
gonna be great, and congress would publish reports

979
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:19,820
saying, you know, yeah, but

980
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:21,500
it might not be so great.

981
00:36:22,734 --> 00:36:24,414
I think there's there's lots of issues that

982
00:36:24,414 --> 00:36:26,414
go into that. I think some of it

983
00:36:26,414 --> 00:36:28,894
was a fear from, like, the the empire

984
00:36:28,894 --> 00:36:30,355
head nation that it would undercut,

985
00:36:31,295 --> 00:36:33,554
their legislative power. And some of it is

986
00:36:33,855 --> 00:36:36,480
the odd position that America is in, like,

987
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,639
economics wise where they they use a lot

988
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:40,000
more cash than a lot more West than

989
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:40,820
a lot of western

990
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:42,260
countries do.

991
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:44,099
And so

992
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,039
you have the sort of transition rebranding. As

993
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:48,554
Catherine said right at the beginning,

994
00:36:49,355 --> 00:36:51,194
basically, they're gonna do a central bank digital

995
00:36:51,194 --> 00:36:53,594
currency. They're just gonna they're gonna call it

996
00:36:53,594 --> 00:36:55,914
something else. And as Ian pointed out with

997
00:36:55,914 --> 00:36:56,414
the

998
00:36:56,835 --> 00:36:57,335
the,

999
00:36:59,114 --> 00:37:00,335
interoperable issue,

1000
00:37:00,950 --> 00:37:03,110
They're gonna do a global currency, only it

1001
00:37:03,110 --> 00:37:05,930
will be called a 50 different things.

1002
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:08,410
It's a very much a question of linguistics

1003
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:10,410
and branding more than anything else.

1004
00:37:10,789 --> 00:37:13,110
Yes. Well, let me also just really jump

1005
00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:14,570
in. I think also technology.

1006
00:37:15,704 --> 00:37:17,164
And what do I mean by that?

1007
00:37:17,625 --> 00:37:19,305
You know, if these people had their way,

1008
00:37:19,305 --> 00:37:22,025
and, Catherine talks about the Internet of bodies

1009
00:37:22,025 --> 00:37:24,845
pretty extensively in the article, they would love

1010
00:37:25,305 --> 00:37:26,605
the Sam Altman

1011
00:37:26,985 --> 00:37:27,485
Worldcoin

1012
00:37:27,785 --> 00:37:30,640
brand, where in order to actually transact on

1013
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,500
this thing, you give up your biometrics

1014
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,780
out of the gates.

1015
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,760
So while you're right, I do believe it's

1016
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,079
gonna be, you know, a 50

1017
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:38,900
different things.

1018
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,954
I think that they're gonna integrate different types

1019
00:37:41,954 --> 00:37:44,114
of technologies. And just like you see with

1020
00:37:44,114 --> 00:37:46,755
the consolidation of everything, they will weed out

1021
00:37:46,755 --> 00:37:48,934
the ones that are less efficient

1022
00:37:49,235 --> 00:37:51,575
and less surveillance and then ultimately

1023
00:37:51,954 --> 00:37:53,494
try to get even beyond

1024
00:37:53,875 --> 00:37:55,735
what Altman is doing with Worldcoin.

1025
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,960
Yeah. And usually by some rationalization by, you

1026
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,799
know, demonstrating why the ones that don't spy

1027
00:38:00,799 --> 00:38:02,319
on you are not working as well, the

1028
00:38:02,319 --> 00:38:04,400
efficiency dynamic and, you know, justify it in

1029
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,480
that way. And there's also the there's the

1030
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,460
question of,

1031
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,599
how you get people to go along with

1032
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,065
it as well. Because, like, I know just

1033
00:38:12,065 --> 00:38:13,585
from if if we have something called the

1034
00:38:13,585 --> 00:38:15,825
digital pound in this country, we don't yet,

1035
00:38:15,825 --> 00:38:17,425
but we will. And if we have it

1036
00:38:17,425 --> 00:38:19,265
and you have to give up your fingerprints

1037
00:38:19,265 --> 00:38:20,945
or your thumbprints or your retina scans or

1038
00:38:20,945 --> 00:38:22,545
whatever to use it, people will be much

1039
00:38:22,545 --> 00:38:23,744
more likely to give that up for a

1040
00:38:23,744 --> 00:38:24,644
digital pound,

1041
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:26,809
which is an extension of something they know

1042
00:38:26,809 --> 00:38:29,050
than for the global world coin, which is

1043
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:30,410
an which is a brand new thing they

1044
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:31,849
don't. Right. So you sort of have to

1045
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:33,369
use that language to get people on board.

1046
00:38:33,369 --> 00:38:34,809
This is a digital dollar. It's like the

1047
00:38:34,809 --> 00:38:36,510
old dollar, and you need your fingerprints.

1048
00:38:38,015 --> 00:38:40,094
Yeah. They they it it's the same with,

1049
00:38:40,494 --> 00:38:42,414
they've got this notion of what they call

1050
00:38:42,414 --> 00:38:43,474
vendor agnostic.

1051
00:38:44,735 --> 00:38:48,035
So so, with digital ID products,

1052
00:38:49,375 --> 00:38:51,535
the the United Nations certainly and the World

1053
00:38:51,535 --> 00:38:53,780
Bank likely used to use this term vendor

1054
00:38:53,780 --> 00:38:54,920
agnostic products.

1055
00:38:55,219 --> 00:38:57,539
So it so it's independent. The then the

1056
00:38:57,539 --> 00:38:59,780
the the creator of the product is independent.

1057
00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:01,480
It's not part of any kind of

1058
00:39:02,019 --> 00:39:03,320
of of, collected

1059
00:39:03,699 --> 00:39:05,264
network or anything like that.

1060
00:39:05,824 --> 00:39:08,144
Despite the fact that they talk about everything

1061
00:39:08,144 --> 00:39:09,984
being interoperable in terms of its,

1062
00:39:11,424 --> 00:39:12,324
shipping readable,

1063
00:39:12,704 --> 00:39:16,625
messaging exchange systems. So already, they've started talking

1064
00:39:16,625 --> 00:39:18,404
about ISO ISO

1065
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:21,949
two zero two two compliant digital ID products.

1066
00:39:22,329 --> 00:39:24,570
So even though they're all produced by different

1067
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:26,730
people, and then they, you know, they look

1068
00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:28,730
different, they say, you know, somebody might be

1069
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:30,809
using real ID, somebody might be using a

1070
00:39:30,809 --> 00:39:32,750
European driving license, or whatever.

1071
00:39:33,054 --> 00:39:35,394
They all they're all made by different companies,

1072
00:39:35,855 --> 00:39:36,355
IDEMIA

1073
00:39:36,655 --> 00:39:37,875
or or whoever.

1074
00:39:38,735 --> 00:39:40,735
But they're all they all have a mix

1075
00:39:41,454 --> 00:39:42,114
an exchangeable

1076
00:39:42,574 --> 00:39:44,974
machine readable data so that that can be

1077
00:39:44,974 --> 00:39:45,474
exchanged.

1078
00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:47,300
And and the world and the the, you

1079
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:49,460
know, the World Bank have already tied toyed

1080
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:51,880
with this ID four d idea of having

1081
00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:52,760
a universal

1082
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:53,640
ledger

1083
00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:56,900
for all digital ID, which would just simply

1084
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:00,019
gather up this data from all digital ID

1085
00:40:00,019 --> 00:40:03,005
products. Well, with regard to stable coins, they've

1086
00:40:03,005 --> 00:40:03,324
already

1087
00:40:03,964 --> 00:40:06,525
there are already stable coins that have been

1088
00:40:06,525 --> 00:40:07,025
issued,

1089
00:40:07,804 --> 00:40:09,484
with and I and I was struggling to

1090
00:40:09,484 --> 00:40:11,644
remember the the the names of them, which

1091
00:40:11,644 --> 00:40:12,144
are

1092
00:40:12,605 --> 00:40:14,284
using the same kind of what we might

1093
00:40:14,284 --> 00:40:16,304
call vendor agnostic technology,

1094
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:18,920
I. E. That they're all built on platforms

1095
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:20,360
and on and on blockchains,

1096
00:40:21,059 --> 00:40:23,300
which have but but to a to an

1097
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:26,019
agreed standard in a mixed in a and

1098
00:40:26,019 --> 00:40:27,800
I think Swift have already

1099
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,900
spoken about, you know, the stable coins that

1100
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:32,965
could adopt this inter interchangeable

1101
00:40:33,344 --> 00:40:35,744
or inter optimal. 2023.

1102
00:40:35,744 --> 00:40:36,244
Yeah.

1103
00:40:36,704 --> 00:40:39,425
Yeah. So it's a it's another ISO another

1104
00:40:39,425 --> 00:40:41,605
ISO or or standard

1105
00:40:41,905 --> 00:40:44,885
for machine readable digital interchange, you know, information.

1106
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:48,609
And there are stablecoins that are already compliant

1107
00:40:48,829 --> 00:40:51,710
with that. So so you so this notion

1108
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:53,789
of a of a kind of global network

1109
00:40:53,789 --> 00:40:54,289
of

1110
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:55,809
of vendor agnostic,

1111
00:40:57,309 --> 00:40:59,089
digital currency products,

1112
00:41:00,384 --> 00:41:03,184
all all working together. And if the Bank

1113
00:41:03,184 --> 00:41:05,284
for International Settlements gets its way

1114
00:41:05,984 --> 00:41:08,005
interchangeable across borders instantaneously,

1115
00:41:09,184 --> 00:41:11,344
you start moving to a situation where

1116
00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:14,110
you know, I mean, I I've questioned whether

1117
00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:16,250
even what the value of things like a

1118
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:18,570
reserve currency would be in such as in

1119
00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:19,469
such a system.

1120
00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:22,730
Because reserve currency is based on what's already

1121
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:23,469
been stolen,

1122
00:41:23,769 --> 00:41:24,269
Ian.

1123
00:41:24,695 --> 00:41:27,014
Like, you you I mean, you you know

1124
00:41:27,014 --> 00:41:28,394
that. You know that.

1125
00:41:28,775 --> 00:41:31,494
It's it's based off of what's already been

1126
00:41:31,494 --> 00:41:33,755
thieved. And then going forward,

1127
00:41:34,135 --> 00:41:37,195
anything that's described as a stable coin

1128
00:41:37,494 --> 00:41:39,755
just means regime approved.

1129
00:41:40,409 --> 00:41:44,190
It doesn't mean that there's any actual stability

1130
00:41:44,489 --> 00:41:45,150
to it.

1131
00:41:45,929 --> 00:41:49,230
It just means that, you know, the overarching

1132
00:41:49,769 --> 00:41:50,269
economic

1133
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:51,150
sphere

1134
00:41:51,609 --> 00:41:54,089
that's been in control for the last, you

1135
00:41:54,089 --> 00:41:55,309
know, many centuries

1136
00:41:55,704 --> 00:41:57,085
is still in control.

1137
00:41:57,385 --> 00:41:58,605
That's all a stablecoin

1138
00:41:58,905 --> 00:42:01,224
means. Yeah? Catherine, I know you wanted to

1139
00:42:01,224 --> 00:42:01,964
chime in.

1140
00:42:02,744 --> 00:42:04,284
Oh, I just wanted to mention

1141
00:42:04,744 --> 00:42:06,585
one of the things you see that's very

1142
00:42:06,585 --> 00:42:07,864
interesting. So we have,

1143
00:42:08,889 --> 00:42:11,050
lots of collections of short videos up at

1144
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:12,889
Solari, and I put a link in the

1145
00:42:12,889 --> 00:42:15,230
chat to the financial transaction freedom

1146
00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:17,849
videos. It's about a hundred short videos starting

1147
00:42:17,849 --> 00:42:20,109
out with the famous one of Carsten's basically

1148
00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:22,809
saying we can make the rules and enforce

1149
00:42:22,809 --> 00:42:26,105
them centrally. But the second one is neil

1150
00:42:26,105 --> 00:42:28,284
cash kerry a former treasury official

1151
00:42:28,824 --> 00:42:29,324
who,

1152
00:42:30,505 --> 00:42:32,585
used to be or is now president of

1153
00:42:32,585 --> 00:42:34,184
the minneapolis fed. I don't know if you

1154
00:42:34,184 --> 00:42:36,105
you can you play it ryan? It's only

1155
00:42:36,105 --> 00:42:36,764
a minute.

1156
00:42:38,184 --> 00:42:39,324
You're muted ryan.

1157
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:41,309
The Carson one?

1158
00:42:41,769 --> 00:42:43,849
No. The second one. Okay. Go and keep

1159
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:44,909
talking. I'll grab it.

1160
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:48,329
Okay. So so what you're seeing is the

1161
00:42:48,329 --> 00:42:50,650
more and more people start realizing how this

1162
00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:51,710
stuff really works,

1163
00:42:52,224 --> 00:42:55,105
you're finding all sorts of people with very

1164
00:42:55,105 --> 00:42:57,905
successful careers or wealthy in America saying, wait

1165
00:42:57,905 --> 00:42:58,625
wait a minute. We

1166
00:42:59,585 --> 00:43:02,545
if we don't have our fundamental freedoms, they

1167
00:43:02,545 --> 00:43:04,859
they can take all our assets, and they're

1168
00:43:04,859 --> 00:43:07,039
starting to realize that they're on the menu.

1169
00:43:07,339 --> 00:43:09,339
And here you have a president of the

1170
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,500
of one of the 12 federal reserve banks

1171
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:12,000
saying

1172
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:14,799
Americans should never do a CBDC.

1173
00:43:15,339 --> 00:43:15,839
And

1174
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:18,539
and for the reasons yeah. Same reasons. I'm

1175
00:43:18,539 --> 00:43:20,275
sure he would know why they should never

1176
00:43:20,275 --> 00:43:21,574
do, you know, interoperable

1177
00:43:21,875 --> 00:43:22,534
and programmable

1178
00:43:22,835 --> 00:43:24,994
stablecoins. Anyway, if you wanna play it, Ryan,

1179
00:43:24,994 --> 00:43:27,335
it's just a minute, and it's very impactful.

1180
00:43:28,114 --> 00:43:29,635
Yeah. I just noticed in the chat, Jared,

1181
00:43:29,635 --> 00:43:30,914
you do you wanna count it before if

1182
00:43:30,914 --> 00:43:31,795
you have to if you have to be

1183
00:43:31,795 --> 00:43:34,030
on here? I could wait till after, Catherine.

1184
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:36,510
K. Let's play this first. Asking anybody,

1185
00:43:36,809 --> 00:43:38,889
anybody at the Fed or outside of the

1186
00:43:38,889 --> 00:43:40,969
Fed to explain to me what problem this

1187
00:43:40,969 --> 00:43:41,630
is solving.

1188
00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:43,690
I did I can send anybody in this

1189
00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:46,030
room $5 with Venmo right now.

1190
00:43:46,474 --> 00:43:48,235
Right? No, seriously. So what is it that

1191
00:43:48,235 --> 00:43:50,894
a cbdc could do that venmo can't do?

1192
00:43:54,954 --> 00:43:57,195
Is that it? No. That's not it. Is

1193
00:43:57,195 --> 00:43:58,094
there any reason

1194
00:43:58,715 --> 00:43:59,534
it stopped?

1195
00:44:01,569 --> 00:44:02,069
No.

1196
00:44:03,089 --> 00:44:05,489
Don't know what let let me, go ahead

1197
00:44:05,489 --> 00:44:06,769
and yeah. It seems to be playing in

1198
00:44:06,769 --> 00:44:08,369
the background paper. Let me remove it really

1199
00:44:08,369 --> 00:44:09,969
quickly and add it again, see if that

1200
00:44:09,969 --> 00:44:11,969
works. Well, let I'll bring up Derek's article

1201
00:44:11,969 --> 00:44:13,429
if you wanna talk about this there.

1202
00:44:14,204 --> 00:44:16,285
Oh, sure. Yeah. I I don't wanna intrude,

1203
00:44:16,285 --> 00:44:17,805
but I wanted to go back just briefly

1204
00:44:17,805 --> 00:44:20,125
to the point that, Ian was making about

1205
00:44:20,125 --> 00:44:22,445
the freedom cities. This was reported earlier in

1206
00:44:22,445 --> 00:44:23,505
April by Reuters

1207
00:44:24,364 --> 00:44:24,845
about,

1208
00:44:25,164 --> 00:44:27,644
of course, Ken Howery, who we pointed out

1209
00:44:27,644 --> 00:44:29,980
months ago is connected to Peter Thiel, and,

1210
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:31,839
you know, they've got him now in the,

1211
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:34,779
the position of ambassador for Denmark, which is,

1212
00:44:34,779 --> 00:44:37,259
of course, part of their desire to make

1213
00:44:37,259 --> 00:44:39,259
Greenland part of The US as they build

1214
00:44:39,259 --> 00:44:40,719
the tech native North America.

1215
00:44:41,525 --> 00:44:43,045
This report is just showing how I think

1216
00:44:43,045 --> 00:44:45,144
you mentioned Ian, did you mention Praxis?

1217
00:44:46,885 --> 00:44:48,644
I think you did. And I did. I

1218
00:44:48,724 --> 00:44:50,184
because I didn't. But yeah.

1219
00:44:50,485 --> 00:44:51,925
Okay. Well, so this ties into some of

1220
00:44:51,925 --> 00:44:52,965
the companies and some of the things you

1221
00:44:52,965 --> 00:44:54,325
were talking about. Praxis is one of the

1222
00:44:54,325 --> 00:44:56,744
companies. There's also, another one called

1223
00:44:57,339 --> 00:45:00,639
Promos, I think it is. And, Promos Promos

1224
00:45:00,699 --> 00:45:02,859
Capital. And this is tied to Andreessen. It's

1225
00:45:02,859 --> 00:45:04,940
tied to Peter Thiel, tied to Lonsdale. Again,

1226
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:06,159
the whole PayPal mafia.

1227
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:08,300
But what this article is just talking about

1228
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,719
is that these discussions are already ongoing,

1229
00:45:11,099 --> 00:45:13,635
and that whole cabal is already one of

1230
00:45:13,635 --> 00:45:15,235
the places they're planning to do it, and

1231
00:45:15,235 --> 00:45:16,934
this may be one of the reasons besides

1232
00:45:16,994 --> 00:45:19,394
resources they're so interested in,

1233
00:45:19,875 --> 00:45:20,375
Greenland.

1234
00:45:20,755 --> 00:45:22,994
Apparently, they're already in discussions. According to the

1235
00:45:22,994 --> 00:45:26,360
article, Praxis cofounder Dryden Brown told Reuters that

1236
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,280
companies have already approached them about helping them

1237
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,099
to establish

1238
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,900
a so called freedom city in Greenland.

1239
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,440
And, yeah, this is, you know, just part

1240
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,119
of that overall move. So whether or not

1241
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,635
it happens in The US or The Trump

1242
00:45:38,635 --> 00:45:40,315
and his team really do try to take

1243
00:45:40,315 --> 00:45:42,494
control of Greenland in some capacity,

1244
00:45:43,515 --> 00:45:45,835
these ideas are being discussed. And it's the

1245
00:45:45,835 --> 00:45:47,295
same people tied to,

1246
00:45:47,755 --> 00:45:49,934
Prospera and Honduras, which Ryan mentioned.

1247
00:45:50,489 --> 00:45:53,690
You have, what's his name? Friedman, the, grandson

1248
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:56,250
of Milton Friedman's involved in that. Patty Friedman,

1249
00:45:56,250 --> 00:45:59,369
I think. Joe Lonsdale, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk,

1250
00:45:59,369 --> 00:46:01,869
of course. So, yeah, these discussions are ongoing.

1251
00:46:01,929 --> 00:46:03,690
And then I just wanna insert one other

1252
00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:04,889
thing before I do have to head out

1253
00:46:04,889 --> 00:46:05,904
in just a couple of minutes, because I

1254
00:46:06,025 --> 00:46:07,465
I've was reading some of the comments and

1255
00:46:07,465 --> 00:46:08,204
I know that

1256
00:46:08,585 --> 00:46:10,364
people in all of our collective audiences

1257
00:46:11,224 --> 00:46:13,385
maybe know some of these details, if not

1258
00:46:13,385 --> 00:46:14,204
all the details,

1259
00:46:14,985 --> 00:46:16,284
and if not all the specifics.

1260
00:46:16,824 --> 00:46:19,085
And they're, I think, counting on us

1261
00:46:19,389 --> 00:46:20,769
in some ways, maybe

1262
00:46:21,309 --> 00:46:21,809
unnecessarily,

1263
00:46:22,429 --> 00:46:24,429
to also think of solutions. You know, what

1264
00:46:24,429 --> 00:46:25,869
are we actually gonna do about this? Because

1265
00:46:25,869 --> 00:46:27,789
we're decide describing a world that each of

1266
00:46:27,789 --> 00:46:29,730
us know there is no existing

1267
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:32,670
within it and still maintaining freedom and privacy.

1268
00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:34,224
That there has to be alternatives. This is

1269
00:46:34,224 --> 00:46:35,505
what I've tried to focus on quite a

1270
00:46:35,505 --> 00:46:36,005
bit.

1271
00:46:36,304 --> 00:46:38,065
So I just wanna encourage everybody who's listening

1272
00:46:38,065 --> 00:46:39,344
to this to take heart that, you know,

1273
00:46:39,344 --> 00:46:41,425
these the Independent Media Alliance is about trying

1274
00:46:41,425 --> 00:46:43,585
to raise awareness and talk about things that

1275
00:46:43,585 --> 00:46:45,105
you might not be hearing from others in

1276
00:46:45,105 --> 00:46:48,610
the mainstream alternative media, but we're also very

1277
00:46:48,610 --> 00:46:50,449
much aware of the need for solutions. I

1278
00:46:50,449 --> 00:46:52,289
know Catherine's focused on this as well over

1279
00:46:52,289 --> 00:46:54,849
at Solari and others have. So, you know,

1280
00:46:54,849 --> 00:46:56,769
we don't have the perfect answer for you

1281
00:46:56,769 --> 00:46:59,349
and your life necessarily. Everybody's got different resources,

1282
00:46:59,410 --> 00:47:00,390
financial situations,

1283
00:47:01,144 --> 00:47:01,644
desires,

1284
00:47:01,945 --> 00:47:03,005
etcetera, etcetera.

1285
00:47:03,464 --> 00:47:04,364
But, absolutely,

1286
00:47:04,905 --> 00:47:06,744
we need to resist these systems as much

1287
00:47:06,744 --> 00:47:08,585
as possible, whether that's at the airport, whether

1288
00:47:08,585 --> 00:47:11,304
that's real ID stuff, whether that's, you know,

1289
00:47:11,304 --> 00:47:13,784
just checking out at a Amazon store at

1290
00:47:13,784 --> 00:47:15,804
the airport that they want you to use,

1291
00:47:15,864 --> 00:47:16,344
you know,

1292
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,280
check touch free everything. You just have to

1293
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,880
resist these things in all the ways you

1294
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,940
can, big and small, including using cash, including

1295
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,920
rejecting the systems that they're trying to put

1296
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,920
before us. And I do think local community

1297
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,519
is is super key on that because I

1298
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:30,640
don't know if any of us can do

1299
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,605
it in isolation. It's gonna take us coming

1300
00:47:33,605 --> 00:47:35,445
together. I I don't think there's very much

1301
00:47:35,445 --> 00:47:37,704
hope of any sort of political solution to

1302
00:47:37,925 --> 00:47:39,525
prevent what we can see is on the

1303
00:47:39,525 --> 00:47:40,025
horizon.

1304
00:47:40,885 --> 00:47:42,804
So if we're gonna, you know, if we're

1305
00:47:42,804 --> 00:47:44,159
not gonna wait on that and not just

1306
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:45,359
trust the plan, then we need to count

1307
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,539
on ourselves, count on our communities, our churches,

1308
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:49,780
whatever it is you got, your own family,

1309
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,719
extended family, and really start having these hard

1310
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,719
conversations. So find the people near you who

1311
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,795
care, who can see what's going on, and

1312
00:47:56,795 --> 00:47:59,114
start having those conversations. And then more more

1313
00:47:59,114 --> 00:48:00,954
importantly, start coming up with an action plan,

1314
00:48:00,954 --> 00:48:02,474
or what do you what what where's your

1315
00:48:02,474 --> 00:48:03,994
red line in the sand? You know, what

1316
00:48:03,994 --> 00:48:06,015
are you willing or unwilling to do,

1317
00:48:06,635 --> 00:48:09,195
if it means maintaining privacy and freedom into

1318
00:48:09,195 --> 00:48:10,555
the long term, not just for your life,

1319
00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:12,019
but for the coming generations. Because if you

1320
00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:13,219
don't know where that line is, then the

1321
00:48:13,219 --> 00:48:15,539
next thing you're just gonna accept the digital

1322
00:48:15,539 --> 00:48:17,059
IDs when they roll out, you're gonna accept

1323
00:48:17,059 --> 00:48:19,300
facial recognition at the airport. And then before

1324
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:20,920
you knew it, all the things you've been

1325
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:23,619
watching podcasts about and watching documentaries about for

1326
00:48:23,619 --> 00:48:25,224
years are are gonna be your reality, and

1327
00:48:25,224 --> 00:48:26,744
I don't think anybody wants that. So I

1328
00:48:26,744 --> 00:48:28,664
just wanted to throw that in there. I'm

1329
00:48:28,664 --> 00:48:29,824
glad you brought it up, Derek, which is

1330
00:48:29,864 --> 00:48:31,784
what's funny we discussed before starting at one

1331
00:48:31,784 --> 00:48:33,385
of the central parts of today was to

1332
00:48:33,385 --> 00:48:34,984
discuss the solutions. What's funny is we we

1333
00:48:34,984 --> 00:48:36,585
we haven't even gotten past point one. It

1334
00:48:36,585 --> 00:48:38,660
just shows you how much information there are

1335
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:40,500
around so many different things, and so we

1336
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:41,860
can just use that as a segue. I'll

1337
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:43,460
play the rest of that clip. Hopefully, that

1338
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:45,140
plays for you, Catherine. And then we can

1339
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:46,599
talk about the potential solution

1340
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,099
idea. Okay. Okay. Specifically for the digital currencies.

1341
00:48:50,099 --> 00:48:52,214
We'll see if this plays. Asking anybody,

1342
00:48:52,675 --> 00:48:54,755
anybody at the Fed or outside of the

1343
00:48:54,755 --> 00:48:56,755
Fed to explain to me what problem this

1344
00:48:56,755 --> 00:48:57,414
is solving.

1345
00:48:57,875 --> 00:48:59,474
A digital I can send anybody in this

1346
00:48:59,474 --> 00:49:01,815
room $5 with Venmo right now.

1347
00:49:02,275 --> 00:49:04,034
Right? No. Seriously. So what is it that

1348
00:49:04,034 --> 00:49:06,690
a CBDC could do that Venmo can't do?

1349
00:49:07,409 --> 00:49:08,609
And all I get is a bunch of

1350
00:49:08,609 --> 00:49:10,050
hand waving. I get a bunch well, maybe

1351
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:11,589
it's better for financial inclusion.

1352
00:49:11,969 --> 00:49:14,449
Maybe it's better for cross border remittances. Maybe.

1353
00:49:14,449 --> 00:49:16,449
Is there any evidence that it is? And,

1354
00:49:16,449 --> 00:49:17,889
you know, they say, well, what about China?

1355
00:49:17,889 --> 00:49:19,650
China is doing it. Well, I can see

1356
00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:21,574
why China would do it. If they wanna

1357
00:49:21,574 --> 00:49:23,194
monitor every one of your transactions,

1358
00:49:23,734 --> 00:49:25,174
you could do that with the central bank

1359
00:49:25,174 --> 00:49:27,114
digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo.

1360
00:49:27,654 --> 00:49:29,974
If you wanna impose negative interest rates, you

1361
00:49:29,974 --> 00:49:31,414
could do that with the central bank digital

1362
00:49:31,414 --> 00:49:33,376
currency. You can't do that with Venmo. And

1363
00:49:33,376 --> 00:49:35,672
if you wanna directly tax customer accounts, you

1364
00:49:35,672 --> 00:49:37,967
could do that with the central bank digital

1365
00:49:37,967 --> 00:49:40,262
currency. You can't do that with Venmo. So

1366
00:49:40,262 --> 00:49:42,557
I get why China would be interested. Why

1367
00:49:42,557 --> 00:49:44,853
would the American people be for that? Good

1368
00:49:44,853 --> 00:49:46,574
question. What do you have, Catherine?

1369
00:49:47,295 --> 00:49:49,695
Okay. So here we have the president of

1370
00:49:49,695 --> 00:49:52,034
one of the 12 fed Federal Reserve Banks

1371
00:49:52,335 --> 00:49:53,375
in 2023

1372
00:49:53,375 --> 00:49:55,135
at Columbia saying we should never do a

1373
00:49:55,135 --> 00:49:56,594
central bank digital currency.

1374
00:49:57,375 --> 00:49:57,875
So,

1375
00:49:58,175 --> 00:49:59,775
I think one of the reasons the Fed

1376
00:49:59,775 --> 00:50:01,394
has been slow walking this,

1377
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:03,119
you know, number one is they have to

1378
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,679
get legislation, and they can't get legislation without

1379
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:07,440
telling the truth about what they're really up

1380
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,599
to and having a a debate that they

1381
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,339
can't that they wouldn't win before the election.

1382
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,359
But the other thing is you have many,

1383
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:16,659
many people in,

1384
00:50:17,214 --> 00:50:20,014
you know, throughout the institutions of The United

1385
00:50:20,014 --> 00:50:21,775
States. You don't, you know, they don't want

1386
00:50:21,775 --> 00:50:23,394
their grandchildren to be slaves.

1387
00:50:24,815 --> 00:50:26,755
So I think, you know, the more

1388
00:50:27,214 --> 00:50:29,855
the more knowledgeable people get about what's really

1389
00:50:29,855 --> 00:50:31,234
going on, the more

1390
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:34,159
you're gonna you're gonna see real friction in

1391
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,019
the system, and that's positive.

1392
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,960
So I agree. Yeah. I I'd love to

1393
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,960
jump to just solutions and and to the

1394
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,960
very end of the article to to kind

1395
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,940
of piggyback on what Derek was talking about

1396
00:50:46,194 --> 00:50:47,795
on kind of it's it's gonna take more

1397
00:50:47,795 --> 00:50:49,894
than one person and many people coming together.

1398
00:50:50,114 --> 00:50:51,014
And then Catherine

1399
00:50:51,554 --> 00:50:52,295
in the,

1400
00:50:53,315 --> 00:50:55,014
in the chat talked about states

1401
00:50:55,394 --> 00:50:56,855
being able to change things.

1402
00:50:57,155 --> 00:50:58,855
So here I am in Iowa,

1403
00:50:59,394 --> 00:51:02,150
and one of the things that just visually

1404
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:04,470
and verbally bothers me that I actually share

1405
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:06,550
with my nieces, they see me physically get

1406
00:51:06,550 --> 00:51:08,710
angry, is when I see the spraying in

1407
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:10,630
the skies. Right? I I don't include them

1408
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:11,289
in much,

1409
00:51:11,590 --> 00:51:13,590
but when I see that, boy, that makes

1410
00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:15,635
me angry. As you know, I put out

1411
00:51:15,635 --> 00:51:17,795
a film in 2013 called shade the motion

1412
00:51:17,795 --> 00:51:18,295
picture,

1413
00:51:18,594 --> 00:51:20,855
going over the bioengineering, the geoengineering,

1414
00:51:21,875 --> 00:51:23,414
Bill Gates, all this stuff.

1415
00:51:23,795 --> 00:51:24,855
And here we are.

1416
00:51:25,234 --> 00:51:26,994
So the reason I bring it up with

1417
00:51:26,994 --> 00:51:27,494
solutions

1418
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:30,280
is kind of a frustration point as well,

1419
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:33,300
but people coming together. Here in Iowa, just

1420
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:34,840
about two, three months ago,

1421
00:51:35,539 --> 00:51:36,039
my,

1422
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:38,980
state senator, a representative named Jeff Shipley, who

1423
00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:40,500
I've had lunch with, is a very good

1424
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:41,000
man,

1425
00:51:41,465 --> 00:51:41,965
actually

1426
00:51:42,425 --> 00:51:43,005
brought legislation,

1427
00:51:43,704 --> 00:51:44,765
anti geoengineering

1428
00:51:45,144 --> 00:51:45,644
legislation,

1429
00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:48,585
to the house, to the state. And people

1430
00:51:48,585 --> 00:51:50,425
got to speak and the whole nine, and

1431
00:51:50,425 --> 00:51:52,505
they tried to ban it. Now my friend

1432
00:51:52,505 --> 00:51:53,244
Todd McGreevy,

1433
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,719
he runs a, print publication here called the

1434
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,559
RC Reader since 1994,

1435
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,179
and he went, he spoke there.

1436
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,019
The Democratic opposition

1437
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,800
came to speak. Todd was very familiar with

1438
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,400
this gentleman. He was kinda surprised that he

1439
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,679
was here. He was wondering why he was

1440
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:08,054
there.

1441
00:52:08,534 --> 00:52:11,355
Well, he had his whole little canned speech

1442
00:52:11,414 --> 00:52:13,974
ready to go, and that canned speech goes

1443
00:52:13,974 --> 00:52:15,675
like we've heard so many times.

1444
00:52:16,135 --> 00:52:17,675
There is no evidence

1445
00:52:18,054 --> 00:52:19,994
that this is actually happening,

1446
00:52:20,534 --> 00:52:21,034
but

1447
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,519
if they are doing this to protect me

1448
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:26,900
from global warming,

1449
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,059
I wanna be safe.

1450
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:30,099
So

1451
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,860
in basically a paragraph's time, they go from

1452
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,059
it doesn't exist

1453
00:52:35,385 --> 00:52:36,824
to if it's good for me and I

1454
00:52:36,824 --> 00:52:38,344
think it's good for me, we're gonna do

1455
00:52:38,344 --> 00:52:38,925
it anyway.

1456
00:52:39,465 --> 00:52:41,704
So to me, yes, we can change things

1457
00:52:41,704 --> 00:52:42,525
as a state,

1458
00:52:42,905 --> 00:52:45,304
but we're still in the baby steps of

1459
00:52:45,304 --> 00:52:48,105
something that everybody in the world can look

1460
00:52:48,105 --> 00:52:49,005
up and see.

1461
00:52:49,590 --> 00:52:51,030
And, you know, I was on with Gareth

1462
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:51,530
Ike,

1463
00:52:51,989 --> 00:52:53,910
a couple days ago. And right before the

1464
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:55,450
show, what does he bring up to me?

1465
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:56,150
The,

1466
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:59,750
United Kingdom and European legislation that they're gonna

1467
00:52:59,750 --> 00:53:01,450
begin to block the sun openly.

1468
00:53:01,805 --> 00:53:04,144
And I'm like, hey. Join the party, pal.

1469
00:53:04,525 --> 00:53:06,945
They're just doing it here for thirty years,

1470
00:53:07,325 --> 00:53:09,724
and nobody see and I even I've said

1471
00:53:09,724 --> 00:53:11,105
this to other people, and I wonder.

1472
00:53:11,405 --> 00:53:13,244
If I were to run for governor of

1473
00:53:13,244 --> 00:53:13,744
Iowa

1474
00:53:14,125 --> 00:53:16,699
and win, could I stop this? Or is

1475
00:53:16,699 --> 00:53:18,800
it just so far up the military industrial

1476
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:21,099
complex where I'm just gonna get a big

1477
00:53:21,099 --> 00:53:23,260
f u? I don't really know the answer,

1478
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:25,260
but I do know the again, the answer

1479
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:26,719
that Derek and Catherine

1480
00:53:27,114 --> 00:53:29,295
talked about are at least the first steps

1481
00:53:29,755 --> 00:53:32,474
in trying to change this overwhelming system, and

1482
00:53:32,474 --> 00:53:33,535
I'll leave it there.

1483
00:53:34,954 --> 00:53:37,675
Well, you you have to stop it where

1484
00:53:37,675 --> 00:53:38,414
it starts.

1485
00:53:38,715 --> 00:53:39,215
And

1486
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:41,960
we have a little bit of proof of

1487
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,460
this

1488
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,980
out here in California.

1489
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,059
There was a pilot program out of Harvard

1490
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,820
in 2022

1491
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:51,735
where they were like, let's just

1492
00:53:52,215 --> 00:53:52,715
spray,

1493
00:53:53,414 --> 00:53:54,155
you know,

1494
00:53:54,775 --> 00:53:55,675
silver iodide

1495
00:53:56,855 --> 00:53:57,994
into the atmosphere.

1496
00:53:58,375 --> 00:54:00,855
What could possibly go wrong? And a bunch

1497
00:54:00,855 --> 00:54:03,255
of people went, no. You can't do that.

1498
00:54:03,255 --> 00:54:05,515
So they said, okay. We'll relocate

1499
00:54:05,894 --> 00:54:06,474
the program

1500
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:09,280
to the deck of the USS Nimitz

1501
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:12,539
in the Alameda Bay, and then we'll spray

1502
00:54:12,539 --> 00:54:13,440
silver iodide

1503
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:14,800
into the atmosphere.

1504
00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:18,800
And all of the people in the immediate,

1505
00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:21,344
like, Alameda County area were like,

1506
00:54:21,824 --> 00:54:22,965
what are you doing?

1507
00:54:23,905 --> 00:54:26,065
Well, you know what? Why would you do

1508
00:54:26,065 --> 00:54:27,664
that? I just gotta do it really quickly.

1509
00:54:27,664 --> 00:54:29,184
Let let's do just for since we're the

1510
00:54:29,184 --> 00:54:31,025
beginning of the conversation, let's bring it back

1511
00:54:31,025 --> 00:54:33,264
to the focal on digital I on on

1512
00:54:33,264 --> 00:54:35,025
digital currency. And we can and but the

1513
00:54:35,025 --> 00:54:36,704
good point to bring to the broad point

1514
00:54:36,704 --> 00:54:38,760
of, you know, in a general sense, how

1515
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,920
we can effectively create change in anything like

1516
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,199
this. And I think it is important to

1517
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:43,880
highlight the fact that I think as you're

1518
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,039
highlighting, Jason, almost all of these, in my

1519
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:48,119
opinion, supersede the idea of even a federal

1520
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:49,960
government. That's my personal opinion and from a

1521
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,199
globalist sense. And really, it's really look at

1522
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:53,824
it that way. But it I I'd like

1523
00:54:53,824 --> 00:54:56,224
to get some solutions focused specifically on the

1524
00:54:56,224 --> 00:54:58,464
digital currency dynamics. So the Americans or anybody

1525
00:54:58,464 --> 00:55:00,464
else in the world who is feeling forced

1526
00:55:00,464 --> 00:55:02,625
into the idea of digital currency, what are

1527
00:55:02,625 --> 00:55:04,625
our proposed solutions for finding a way around

1528
00:55:04,625 --> 00:55:06,460
that? And and as Catherine pointed out, from

1529
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:08,539
a state perspective, states' rights, that's one way

1530
00:55:08,539 --> 00:55:09,900
to look at it. But anybody else wanna

1531
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:11,900
jump into that? I think, you know, I

1532
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,219
would support, you know, something that Catherine's spoken

1533
00:55:14,219 --> 00:55:16,460
about a lot, and that is just carry

1534
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:19,574
on using cash. Just refuse just use cash.

1535
00:55:20,054 --> 00:55:22,714
Oh, oh, not even carry on using cash.

1536
00:55:23,414 --> 00:55:24,315
Make a point

1537
00:55:24,695 --> 00:55:27,335
of using more cash when it comes to

1538
00:55:27,494 --> 00:55:29,494
for a second, Phil. If I wanna go

1539
00:55:29,494 --> 00:55:31,994
to the UFC tomorrow in Kansas City, Missouri,

1540
00:55:32,214 --> 00:55:34,050
0 cash. I don't even get a ticket.

1541
00:55:34,289 --> 00:55:37,329
So no that. Listen. There's no credit in

1542
00:55:37,329 --> 00:55:39,170
the menu. If I want and I and

1543
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:41,590
I agree This is not 01.

1544
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:44,769
it's not zero one. Yeah. If if you

1545
00:55:44,769 --> 00:55:46,309
look at how cash works,

1546
00:55:46,635 --> 00:55:49,195
if you use and insist on cash every

1547
00:55:49,195 --> 00:55:51,135
time you can, wherever you can,

1548
00:55:51,515 --> 00:55:53,275
you push it back. It's not zero one.

1549
00:55:53,275 --> 00:55:54,635
So I'm not saying don't go to the

1550
00:55:54,635 --> 00:55:55,135
UFC.

1551
00:55:55,675 --> 00:55:57,434
Although it's a good idea to say to

1552
00:55:57,434 --> 00:55:58,411
the UFC guys, what are you trying to

1553
00:55:58,411 --> 00:55:58,445
do? Bring in digital slavery and push back

1554
00:55:58,445 --> 00:55:59,135
on them? No. Really. You're right. I gotta

1555
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,133
in digital slavery and push back on them?

1556
00:56:03,133 --> 00:56:04,839
No, really. You're right. I gotta tell you,

1557
00:56:04,839 --> 00:56:06,139
I have watched

1558
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,059
so many people in our network

1559
00:56:08,359 --> 00:56:10,839
get off the couch. They knew nothing about

1560
00:56:10,839 --> 00:56:13,159
state legislators. They knew nothing about the local

1561
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:15,414
school board. They knew nothing about they have

1562
00:56:15,414 --> 00:56:16,234
gotten legislation

1563
00:56:16,534 --> 00:56:17,034
passed.

1564
00:56:17,335 --> 00:56:20,474
They have gotten bills passed protecting cash.

1565
00:56:20,855 --> 00:56:22,315
They have gotten debanking

1566
00:56:22,694 --> 00:56:24,074
stopped in their states.

1567
00:56:24,454 --> 00:56:25,434
They have gotten

1568
00:56:25,734 --> 00:56:26,954
so much

1569
00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:29,699
done. If everybody would just get off their

1570
00:56:29,699 --> 00:56:31,539
couch and pick the one thing or two

1571
00:56:31,539 --> 00:56:33,880
things they could do and use cash whenever

1572
00:56:34,019 --> 00:56:37,140
they could and stop financing and supporting the

1573
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:39,300
people doing this, stop going to work and

1574
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:41,539
building the control grid. There would be an

1575
00:56:41,539 --> 00:56:42,599
absolute revolution.

1576
00:56:43,275 --> 00:56:45,594
And it it it is is nobody wants

1577
00:56:45,594 --> 00:56:47,594
to get off of their couch. That's not

1578
00:56:47,634 --> 00:56:48,174
there are

1579
00:56:49,114 --> 00:56:51,434
there are tremendous number of people getting off

1580
00:56:51,434 --> 00:56:53,674
their couch. I work with them every day

1581
00:56:53,674 --> 00:56:55,674
all over the world. They get off the

1582
00:56:55,674 --> 00:56:57,775
couch, and you know something? They're having fun.

1583
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,039
They are having a good time. They are

1584
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:02,679
that's how we find each other. These are

1585
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:04,599
all really important things to to digest with

1586
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:06,039
all this. And I I completely agree with

1587
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:07,559
everything you said, Catherine. But you know it

1588
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:09,239
was in our conversation in the past. I'm

1589
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,255
much more I I tend not to lean

1590
00:57:11,255 --> 00:57:13,515
into the legislative direction because I feel like

1591
00:57:13,575 --> 00:57:15,255
it's harder. But I agree with you. It

1592
00:57:15,255 --> 00:57:17,595
it doesn't have to be the legislative direction.

1593
00:57:17,655 --> 00:57:20,055
Everybody has to do what gives them energy.

1594
00:57:20,055 --> 00:57:22,775
So, you know, you could be starting a

1595
00:57:22,775 --> 00:57:25,095
farmer's market. You could be gardening. You could

1596
00:57:25,095 --> 00:57:27,250
be whatever you need to do to build

1597
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:30,069
local resilience and to network with other people

1598
00:57:30,449 --> 00:57:33,269
that create local resilience and shift the money

1599
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:35,730
and the time and support out of the

1600
00:57:35,730 --> 00:57:37,190
the other the pro centralization

1601
00:57:37,489 --> 00:57:40,449
team into decentralizing. Everybody should do what gives

1602
00:57:40,449 --> 00:57:42,385
them energy. I no. That's what I said.

1603
00:57:42,385 --> 00:57:43,505
I agree with you. It's my point. But

1604
00:57:43,505 --> 00:57:45,264
I mean, the just explaining, prefacing what I'm

1605
00:57:45,264 --> 00:57:46,784
about to say by the fact that's why

1606
00:57:46,784 --> 00:57:48,464
I I tend not to lean that direction.

1607
00:57:48,464 --> 00:57:50,464
So I that being a good thing to

1608
00:57:50,464 --> 00:57:51,904
do, and I agree that people should be

1609
00:57:51,904 --> 00:57:53,585
doing it. However, I think the in my

1610
00:57:53,585 --> 00:57:55,920
opinion, the primary directive is I I get

1611
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:56,659
the direction

1612
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:58,800
from like a Larkin Rose, Derek Rose kind

1613
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,599
of perspective is to act in, like, spend,

1614
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:02,880
you know, vote with your dollar in that

1615
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,480
sense. So I would say, don't go to

1616
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,920
the UFC. Not because you don't like it

1617
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,744
or you don't wanna support the UFC, but

1618
00:58:07,744 --> 00:58:09,265
that's how you vote in this world right

1619
00:58:09,265 --> 00:58:11,425
now. Right? You don't go or whatever else

1620
00:58:11,425 --> 00:58:12,945
by then that's what Kathy is saying. You

1621
00:58:12,945 --> 00:58:15,344
you prove to them that that that's more

1622
00:58:15,344 --> 00:58:16,864
about important to you. You know? But also

1623
00:58:16,945 --> 00:58:19,425
You heard Ryan Christian just pirate that like

1624
00:58:19,425 --> 00:58:20,565
a regular American.

1625
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:23,437
I don't know. I want to go with

1626
00:58:23,437 --> 00:58:24,599
this at one point out.

1627
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:26,119
My go first.

1628
00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:27,833
Honestly, my first,

1629
00:58:28,739 --> 00:58:30,820
you know, experience with this was about a

1630
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:32,019
year and a half ago. And then, like

1631
00:58:32,019 --> 00:58:33,699
I said, this is in Kansas City, Missouri,

1632
00:58:33,699 --> 00:58:35,239
Red State, by the way, everybody,

1633
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:37,079
where I went to Illinois.

1634
00:58:37,755 --> 00:58:40,154
And it was, just before they were gonna

1635
00:58:40,154 --> 00:58:42,074
have the DNC there. I went to the

1636
00:58:42,074 --> 00:58:44,414
venue with cash in my hand

1637
00:58:44,795 --> 00:58:47,355
thinking I could get a physical ticket. When

1638
00:58:47,355 --> 00:58:49,194
I went to the booth, they said no.

1639
00:58:49,194 --> 00:58:50,194
No. No. And they

1640
00:58:50,755 --> 00:58:53,039
do it through a text message, and a

1641
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:55,840
QR code would not accept my money. Then

1642
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,420
inside, I can't get a pretzel for money.

1643
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,300
It's

1644
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,140
every major league baseball

1645
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:05,599
event now. It's every, like, every major sporting

1646
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:06,099
event

1647
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,500
is like that. No cash.

1648
00:59:08,934 --> 00:59:10,855
You have to have a QR code. Have

1649
00:59:10,855 --> 00:59:12,155
to download the app.

1650
00:59:12,534 --> 00:59:13,835
It's like you're

1651
00:59:14,454 --> 00:59:16,614
whether or not you're being conscious of it,

1652
00:59:16,614 --> 00:59:18,155
you're being herded

1653
00:59:18,775 --> 00:59:19,275
into

1654
00:59:19,655 --> 00:59:20,554
this digital

1655
00:59:20,855 --> 00:59:22,699
control grid, then

1656
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,159
it's gonna take a whole lot of people

1657
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:27,500
to go, hey. Wait a minute. That's dumb.

1658
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:30,139
No. I'd rather not.

1659
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:33,019
I'd rather not do that. This seems

1660
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:34,219
completely

1661
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:35,019
ridiculous

1662
00:59:36,204 --> 00:59:38,625
before anybody's gonna bulk,

1663
00:59:39,644 --> 00:59:42,125
but we gotta make them bulk. We really

1664
00:59:42,125 --> 00:59:42,625
do.

1665
00:59:43,005 --> 00:59:45,664
Yeah. I I think my Sorry. What's ironic

1666
00:59:45,724 --> 00:59:48,599
about that, of course, is that the like,

1667
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,660
what's gonna remain still a cash business

1668
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,760
is gonna be a black market weapons and

1669
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:55,260
drugs.

1670
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,400
Those were only created to launder money for

1671
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,099
the federal government in the first place.

1672
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:02,200
So they they they they can't completely kill

1673
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,579
cash because they need it.

1674
01:00:04,375 --> 01:00:06,215
Yeah. Well, Catherine had a point. Go ahead,

1675
01:00:06,215 --> 01:00:06,715
Catherine.

1676
01:00:07,175 --> 01:00:09,414
Okay. So I'm just I'm just moving over

1677
01:00:09,414 --> 01:00:10,795
to put this in the chat.

1678
01:00:11,255 --> 01:00:12,715
We have a section

1679
01:00:13,015 --> 01:00:16,155
up on our financial transaction freedom website called,

1680
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:19,449
turtling for cash.

1681
01:00:20,070 --> 01:00:20,469
And,

1682
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:24,170
a wonderful subscriber in South Dakota

1683
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:25,289
got,

1684
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:29,530
legislation passed to the state legislature this session

1685
01:00:30,105 --> 01:00:32,824
saying that school sports events had to take

1686
01:00:32,824 --> 01:00:33,324
cash.

1687
01:00:34,184 --> 01:00:36,344
And because I agree, the sports is a

1688
01:00:36,344 --> 01:00:38,905
big place where the Alright. Let me stop,

1689
01:00:38,905 --> 01:00:39,405
Catherine.

1690
01:00:39,784 --> 01:00:42,505
Let me stop you because I do, a

1691
01:00:42,505 --> 01:00:46,059
platform elite. Cost me about 3 to $5,000

1692
01:00:46,059 --> 01:00:47,920
for a private this is private.

1693
01:00:48,219 --> 01:00:50,940
And in the OTBK Sports Center. Now when

1694
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:53,099
they really wanna get you, and they do,

1695
01:00:53,099 --> 01:00:55,099
and you say that there's an ATM right

1696
01:00:55,099 --> 01:00:57,614
there. Now most of them are cash. Twice

1697
01:00:57,614 --> 01:00:59,695
this year, if I wanted to go to

1698
01:00:59,695 --> 01:01:02,514
the volleyball tournament that I already paid for,

1699
01:01:02,894 --> 01:01:05,054
they have a QR code. It is a

1700
01:01:05,054 --> 01:01:07,454
two day pass. No. No. Jason, I understand

1701
01:01:07,454 --> 01:01:09,554
that. What I'm telling you is will be

1702
01:01:09,695 --> 01:01:11,590
on you rules. That's all for

1703
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:14,449
sure. I know I I know I know

1704
01:01:14,449 --> 01:01:14,949
about

1705
01:01:15,329 --> 01:01:17,410
how difficult it is. What I'm telling you

1706
01:01:17,410 --> 01:01:17,910
is,

1707
01:01:18,369 --> 01:01:20,690
I know you can raise the percentage of

1708
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:22,849
cash you use in your daily transactions if

1709
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:25,175
you want to, And it matters. You don't

1710
01:01:25,175 --> 01:01:26,855
have to do it. It's not zero or

1711
01:01:26,855 --> 01:01:27,355
one.

1712
01:01:27,735 --> 01:01:30,135
Okay? You do thousands of transactions a year.

1713
01:01:30,135 --> 01:01:31,894
Okay. The other thing I wanna bring up,

1714
01:01:31,894 --> 01:01:33,735
just because you're in Iowa and I told

1715
01:01:33,735 --> 01:01:35,655
Brian I wanted to bring this up. I

1716
01:01:35,655 --> 01:01:38,309
just did a wonderful interview that we'll publish

1717
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:40,329
in two or three weeks with Pat Militech.

1718
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:43,190
Oh, Militech. Good buddy of mine. Yeah. So

1719
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:44,889
who was a UFC champion,

1720
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:48,089
and he has a business called Soil Savers,

1721
01:01:48,644 --> 01:01:50,965
which I think could rock the world because

1722
01:01:50,965 --> 01:01:52,505
he's figured out basically

1723
01:01:52,965 --> 01:01:54,184
how to spread probiotics

1724
01:01:54,565 --> 01:01:57,204
on your land that can heal a lot

1725
01:01:57,204 --> 01:02:00,025
of chemical damage and a lot of toxicity.

1726
01:02:00,644 --> 01:02:02,664
Mhmm. And it's quite remarkable. So

1727
01:02:03,069 --> 01:02:04,750
they're I'm, you know, that's a good friend

1728
01:02:04,750 --> 01:02:06,829
and a very smart guy, and, we have

1729
01:02:06,909 --> 01:02:08,750
we went and saw a a film together

1730
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:09,569
last week.

1731
01:02:09,949 --> 01:02:12,429
Soil saviors again, that that goes back to

1732
01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:13,489
even the geoengineering

1733
01:02:13,949 --> 01:02:15,525
and what we're putting in our bodies and

1734
01:02:15,525 --> 01:02:17,924
what we're breathing and eating. Right. But that

1735
01:02:17,924 --> 01:02:20,804
could be that could really help. So so

1736
01:02:20,804 --> 01:02:22,565
Pat likes to just do it. He doesn't

1737
01:02:22,565 --> 01:02:24,264
wanna go deal with the state legislator.

1738
01:02:24,724 --> 01:02:26,644
So, you know, so his his thing is

1739
01:02:26,644 --> 01:02:28,344
to just do it, and it's great.

1740
01:02:28,949 --> 01:02:30,090
But, you know, imagine

1741
01:02:30,469 --> 01:02:32,789
we we got a bill passed in Tennessee,

1742
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:35,050
the first state that stopped geoengineering.

1743
01:02:35,429 --> 01:02:37,909
When Daniel Goodrich brought that legislation to the

1744
01:02:37,909 --> 01:02:40,230
state, I said, you got a 1% chance

1745
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:41,445
of getting this passed.

1746
01:02:41,925 --> 01:02:43,525
And she got it passed and signed into

1747
01:02:43,525 --> 01:02:45,285
law. And I'll tell you why. I was

1748
01:02:45,285 --> 01:02:47,864
there three weeks ago, and they're still spraying.

1749
01:02:48,085 --> 01:02:50,244
Of course, because you can't enforce unless

1750
01:02:50,644 --> 01:02:52,805
Right. You know, I'm gonna slap you guys

1751
01:02:52,805 --> 01:02:54,905
around the head here. So so

1752
01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:57,230
she, she, she took it. I said, you

1753
01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:59,489
got, you got no chance, but, you know,

1754
01:02:59,869 --> 01:03:02,269
sometimes it takes seven years of breaking down

1755
01:03:02,269 --> 01:03:04,050
the walls to, to get a good

1756
01:03:04,349 --> 01:03:06,050
enforcement going in Tennessee.

1757
01:03:06,829 --> 01:03:10,045
So some guy from California came to lobby

1758
01:03:10,045 --> 01:03:11,105
against the bill

1759
01:03:11,565 --> 01:03:13,485
and he starts lobbying about how it'll cut

1760
01:03:13,485 --> 01:03:14,465
into his profits.

1761
01:03:14,765 --> 01:03:17,324
And suddenly all these legislators said, oh my

1762
01:03:17,324 --> 01:03:19,425
God, I thought this was a conspiracy theory.

1763
01:03:20,045 --> 01:03:21,105
And he completely

1764
01:03:21,565 --> 01:03:23,885
freaked them out and they ended up passing

1765
01:03:23,885 --> 01:03:24,690
the bill. Now

1766
01:03:25,809 --> 01:03:28,050
first step, and it needs many more steps,

1767
01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:30,530
but they can only enforce unless you take

1768
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:32,389
off and land in Tennessee.

1769
01:03:32,849 --> 01:03:35,409
Or Okay. From layers of the elevation too.

1770
01:03:35,409 --> 01:03:36,929
But if you if you look at how

1771
01:03:36,929 --> 01:03:38,469
we get things done in Tennessee,

1772
01:03:38,875 --> 01:03:41,515
you know, you pass the first bill. That's

1773
01:03:41,515 --> 01:03:43,914
like 5%. You pass the second bill. That's

1774
01:03:43,914 --> 01:03:44,735
5%.

1775
01:03:44,954 --> 01:03:46,894
And it takes years. And you've seen,

1776
01:03:47,195 --> 01:03:49,515
you know, Frank Nicely, who is the master

1777
01:03:49,515 --> 01:03:50,735
legislator in Tennessee.

1778
01:03:51,114 --> 01:03:52,715
He would take seven to ten years to

1779
01:03:52,715 --> 01:03:53,454
get something

1780
01:03:54,130 --> 01:03:56,369
really done, and it would take multiple layers

1781
01:03:56,369 --> 01:03:57,030
of legislation.

1782
01:03:57,570 --> 01:03:59,650
But that's part of how you educate people

1783
01:03:59,650 --> 01:04:01,889
and get them to to really change, but

1784
01:04:01,889 --> 01:04:04,210
you gotta start. Yeah. Which is my point

1785
01:04:04,210 --> 01:04:06,050
is that obviously is important, and I agree.

1786
01:04:06,050 --> 01:04:07,784
We have to keep doing that, but I

1787
01:04:07,784 --> 01:04:09,625
I'd rather try to get more immediate action

1788
01:04:09,625 --> 01:04:11,065
going while we're doing that too. You know

1789
01:04:11,065 --> 01:04:12,684
what I mean? Because I So absolutely.

1790
01:04:13,224 --> 01:04:14,984
Absolutely. I just put in a link to

1791
01:04:14,984 --> 01:04:15,724
our article.

1792
01:04:16,025 --> 01:04:18,105
I wanna stop CBDCs. What can I do?

1793
01:04:18,105 --> 01:04:20,224
But it and it's the same. We've got

1794
01:04:20,344 --> 01:04:22,824
done a whole bunch of shows with Twyla

1795
01:04:22,824 --> 01:04:23,309
Bras,

1796
01:04:24,190 --> 01:04:26,430
on financial rebellion on c h d tv

1797
01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:28,289
about how you stop the real ID.

1798
01:04:28,829 --> 01:04:30,829
And I think the most important thing to

1799
01:04:30,829 --> 01:04:32,530
stop right now is the real ID.

1800
01:04:32,989 --> 01:04:34,690
Well, why don't we use that in transition

1801
01:04:34,750 --> 01:04:36,349
since we really have only, you know, gotten

1802
01:04:36,349 --> 01:04:38,034
to the currency part of this? And I,

1803
01:04:38,034 --> 01:04:39,715
you know, I doubt we'll get to every

1804
01:04:39,715 --> 01:04:41,235
single data point. So I say what we

1805
01:04:41,235 --> 01:04:42,755
focus on is is next to that real

1806
01:04:42,755 --> 01:04:44,675
ID focus because that's connected and then the

1807
01:04:44,675 --> 01:04:47,094
Stargate kind of infrastructure of it all. So

1808
01:04:47,155 --> 01:04:49,875
on the idea of the digital ID, real

1809
01:04:49,875 --> 01:04:52,539
ID, say back kind of, like, ecosystem that's

1810
01:04:52,539 --> 01:04:54,139
being built. I mean, from a US perspective,

1811
01:04:54,139 --> 01:04:55,679
but it's happening everywhere as well.

1812
01:04:56,059 --> 01:04:57,739
Anyone wanna start on that? Any thoughts? Jump

1813
01:04:57,739 --> 01:04:59,420
to your deep minds. I just like to

1814
01:04:59,420 --> 01:05:01,260
ask the question out there. How do you

1815
01:05:01,260 --> 01:05:03,440
describe it to somebody that wants

1816
01:05:03,739 --> 01:05:06,265
to have voter ID and explain to them

1817
01:05:06,265 --> 01:05:08,844
that you don't necessarily need a federalized,

1818
01:05:09,144 --> 01:05:09,804
quote, unquote,

1819
01:05:10,184 --> 01:05:13,324
real ID. What you need are state IDs

1820
01:05:14,025 --> 01:05:15,144
at at at the base that are not

1821
01:05:15,144 --> 01:05:16,824
involved in that system. Because I think that

1822
01:05:16,824 --> 01:05:19,199
we all want people to be citizens of

1823
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:20,719
The United States that vote and have a

1824
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:22,480
system for that. And I don't think that

1825
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,300
we're anti

1826
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,840
identification. But when it gets to the federal

1827
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,179
level and whether or not you can travel

1828
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,940
and the embedding of these,

1829
01:05:30,625 --> 01:05:34,224
different RFID and eventually biometric systems. Obviously, that's

1830
01:05:34,224 --> 01:05:36,224
what we wanna push back again. So, Jason,

1831
01:05:36,224 --> 01:05:38,224
why is the registration process not

1832
01:05:40,065 --> 01:05:42,465
you have a registration process wherever you are.

1833
01:05:42,465 --> 01:05:45,525
You register to vote. That's it. That's your

1834
01:05:46,109 --> 01:05:47,710
that's your system. What But, you know, they

1835
01:05:47,710 --> 01:05:49,549
usually do it through the DMV. And, you

1836
01:05:49,549 --> 01:05:51,230
know, they also lie to you all the

1837
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:52,509
time and tell you that if you don't

1838
01:05:52,509 --> 01:05:54,909
get this specific identification No. I mean, I

1839
01:05:54,909 --> 01:05:57,469
mean, why why does anybody think you need

1840
01:05:57,469 --> 01:05:58,429
another ID

1841
01:05:58,985 --> 01:06:01,385
The laws are To protect to protect election

1842
01:06:01,385 --> 01:06:03,784
fraud. Yeah. I mean, the election fraud is

1843
01:06:03,784 --> 01:06:05,465
a problem, but it's got nothing to do

1844
01:06:05,465 --> 01:06:08,105
with the absence of of IDs. But but

1845
01:06:08,105 --> 01:06:09,864
how do you convey that to people? And

1846
01:06:09,864 --> 01:06:12,400
then when you go into states like New

1847
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,360
York or California, etcetera, that are inherently corrupt,

1848
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,360
even Illinois, which is right I mean, like,

1849
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,920
it's a mile away from me. That yeah.

1850
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,159
Well, you're right. But, I mean, obviously, those

1851
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:22,659
ones,

1852
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,344
to me, are are more important because it

1853
01:06:25,344 --> 01:06:27,425
doesn't allow you to take charge at the

1854
01:06:27,425 --> 01:06:30,965
local level. Right? For your senators, your congressmen,

1855
01:06:31,025 --> 01:06:32,945
your state senators, a lot of that and,

1856
01:06:32,945 --> 01:06:34,785
you know, I don't believe that New York

1857
01:06:34,785 --> 01:06:36,704
is necessarily a blue state. You know, as

1858
01:06:36,704 --> 01:06:38,849
much as I don't like Lee Zeldin, I

1859
01:06:38,849 --> 01:06:41,190
have a hard time believing that Kathy Hochul

1860
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:44,390
won in a free and fair election. Right?

1861
01:06:44,530 --> 01:06:46,610
So how do we get a system of,

1862
01:06:46,610 --> 01:06:48,789
quote, unquote, voter ID that is

1863
01:06:49,170 --> 01:06:51,489
essentially federalized? And and I'm not saying you

1864
01:06:51,489 --> 01:06:54,045
can't do this, but convey it through state

1865
01:06:54,045 --> 01:06:55,485
IDs. You know as well as I do

1866
01:06:55,485 --> 01:06:57,005
in New York. I mean, they push you

1867
01:06:57,005 --> 01:06:57,744
right through.

1868
01:06:58,125 --> 01:07:01,005
I was showing my buddy my, my you

1869
01:07:01,005 --> 01:07:03,085
know, it was the enhanced license that got

1870
01:07:03,085 --> 01:07:04,545
me into Canada or Mexico.

1871
01:07:05,070 --> 01:07:07,309
And, you know, my my IO ID is

1872
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:08,750
a little bit different, but I did get

1873
01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:10,510
the federal one that has the star in

1874
01:07:10,510 --> 01:07:12,750
it. No. I didn't. People don't even yeah.

1875
01:07:12,750 --> 01:07:14,190
Most people don't even know that you have

1876
01:07:14,190 --> 01:07:16,430
an option to opt out of that and

1877
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:18,530
just get a regular state ID.

1878
01:07:18,864 --> 01:07:20,625
So so is this just Not after May

1879
01:07:20,625 --> 01:07:22,385
7 because I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Is this

1880
01:07:22,385 --> 01:07:24,704
just we have to get the information out,

1881
01:07:24,704 --> 01:07:27,265
and then we have to just actually enforce

1882
01:07:27,265 --> 01:07:29,105
the laws that are already on the books

1883
01:07:29,105 --> 01:07:30,704
and expect that to people that we don't

1884
01:07:30,704 --> 01:07:31,695
need to see?

1885
01:07:32,329 --> 01:07:33,929
I would I would say if you if

1886
01:07:33,929 --> 01:07:36,170
the question is how do I show someone

1887
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:37,070
that wants

1888
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:40,489
digital ID to stop voter fraud, you know,

1889
01:07:40,489 --> 01:07:42,090
what what would be a good thing to

1890
01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:43,929
to show them to explain to them why

1891
01:07:43,929 --> 01:07:44,909
that's not necessary?

1892
01:07:46,134 --> 01:07:49,014
Maybe show them that video of Elon Musk

1893
01:07:49,014 --> 01:07:50,875
speaking about six months ago

1894
01:07:51,255 --> 01:07:54,054
saying how important it was that all voting

1895
01:07:54,054 --> 01:07:55,275
was done with

1896
01:07:55,654 --> 01:07:56,315
a paper,

1897
01:07:57,094 --> 01:08:00,630
bureau bureaucracy because that that would cut out

1898
01:08:00,630 --> 01:08:02,889
the potential for voter fraud.

1899
01:08:03,269 --> 01:08:05,690
So he's while he wants voting

1900
01:08:05,989 --> 01:08:09,449
process itself to be done using manual counts,

1901
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:11,849
as in human beings checking

1902
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:14,894
bits of paper that someone's put across him,

1903
01:08:14,974 --> 01:08:17,555
because he considers that to be far safer

1904
01:08:17,854 --> 01:08:19,954
than using any kind of digital system.

1905
01:08:21,055 --> 01:08:22,194
Why not then?

1906
01:08:22,654 --> 01:08:24,975
If that's his idea, why does he not

1907
01:08:24,975 --> 01:08:26,114
also advocate

1908
01:08:26,814 --> 01:08:28,194
having, you know, traditional

1909
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:30,319
types of registration

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01:08:30,939 --> 01:08:33,760
done through a human run bureaucracy.

1911
01:08:34,219 --> 01:08:36,539
So, you know, for years and years, we

1912
01:08:36,539 --> 01:08:39,179
had paper driving licenses. So why don't we

1913
01:08:39,420 --> 01:08:41,760
what if if if the issue is security,

1914
01:08:42,885 --> 01:08:46,085
then what's wrong with paper driving licenses? They

1915
01:08:46,085 --> 01:08:48,645
seem to be far more secure than digital

1916
01:08:48,645 --> 01:08:49,704
driving licenses.

1917
01:08:50,244 --> 01:08:52,085
So Hold on, Jason. Hold on. Let me

1918
01:08:52,085 --> 01:08:53,364
jump in a sense. I wanna get in

1919
01:08:53,364 --> 01:08:54,885
for that first point. So the idea here

1920
01:08:54,885 --> 01:08:56,085
is that and I agree with you. It's

1921
01:08:56,085 --> 01:08:58,429
important to highlight that, you know, any like,

1922
01:08:58,429 --> 01:09:00,029
people I'm sure disagree, so we shouldn't say

1923
01:09:00,029 --> 01:09:01,949
everybody. But anybody who wants to uphold the

1924
01:09:01,949 --> 01:09:03,229
law in this regard would say that you

1925
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:04,270
have to have an ID to vote and

1926
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:05,550
that has to be verified. That's obvious. Right?

1927
01:09:05,550 --> 01:09:06,750
So I think we agreed to that. The

1928
01:09:06,750 --> 01:09:08,449
point though is that this is a manufactured

1929
01:09:08,590 --> 01:09:11,164
problem to justify the solution they want, and

1930
01:09:11,164 --> 01:09:12,685
we all know that's how it works. Right?

1931
01:09:12,685 --> 01:09:14,485
So we're dealing with something in regard to

1932
01:09:14,765 --> 01:09:16,444
you know, the point is, as Catherine was

1933
01:09:16,444 --> 01:09:18,204
alluding to, there's laws in the books already.

1934
01:09:18,204 --> 01:09:19,564
And, you know, I'm not a statist, so

1935
01:09:19,564 --> 01:09:20,765
the idea is we're forced to live in

1936
01:09:20,765 --> 01:09:22,829
this regard, and so that's what we're discussing.

1937
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:24,170
But the point is those laws are on

1938
01:09:24,170 --> 01:09:26,010
the books that already apply to this problem.

1939
01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:27,449
So the idea is that if the issue

1940
01:09:27,449 --> 01:09:29,550
of immigration has been applied to rationalize

1941
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:31,689
why we need something new, all we need

1942
01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:33,369
is the current enforcement and not point out

1943
01:09:33,369 --> 01:09:36,264
Democrats who are actively avoiding that or arguing

1944
01:09:36,264 --> 01:09:37,545
that we shouldn't be. And so that's the

1945
01:09:37,545 --> 01:09:39,064
problem. Not that we need a new layer

1946
01:09:39,064 --> 01:09:41,064
of things for them to ignore, right, to

1947
01:09:41,064 --> 01:09:43,064
justify the new digital ID. So that's the

1948
01:09:43,064 --> 01:09:44,425
bigger thing for me. So I just wanna

1949
01:09:44,425 --> 01:09:45,944
lay that out there because I think the

1950
01:09:45,944 --> 01:09:48,505
the the solution being presented is is a

1951
01:09:48,505 --> 01:09:50,250
bait and switch. So But let me just

1952
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:51,930
say this also because, again, you know, I

1953
01:09:51,930 --> 01:09:54,329
voted this year, and I'm in Iowa. And,

1954
01:09:54,329 --> 01:09:54,829
yes,

1955
01:09:55,210 --> 01:09:57,289
again, I had an ID, but then we

1956
01:09:57,289 --> 01:09:58,670
talk about paper verification.

1957
01:09:58,970 --> 01:10:01,229
Right? And the polling was not paper.

1958
01:10:01,545 --> 01:10:03,545
So now they've brought in this new system

1959
01:10:03,545 --> 01:10:05,465
where I sign on a pad with my

1960
01:10:05,465 --> 01:10:08,185
finger that looks almost nothing like, you know,

1961
01:10:08,185 --> 01:10:08,925
my actual

1962
01:10:09,545 --> 01:10:11,945
signature, but that verifies me, and then I

1963
01:10:11,945 --> 01:10:13,164
get my paper ballot.

1964
01:10:13,545 --> 01:10:15,564
So so it you know, again,

1965
01:10:16,929 --> 01:10:18,369
we have so many things to do to

1966
01:10:18,369 --> 01:10:20,449
push back. I want the paper system all

1967
01:10:20,449 --> 01:10:22,449
the way through. Right? So in other words,

1968
01:10:22,449 --> 01:10:23,590
the ballot I get,

1969
01:10:23,969 --> 01:10:25,569
I don't I don't even think I signed

1970
01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:27,750
that. Right? So that doesn't have my signature

1971
01:10:27,809 --> 01:10:30,210
on it. So it would be very, very

1972
01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:32,685
easy to go in there as somebody else

1973
01:10:32,685 --> 01:10:34,284
with something you know, they barely looked at

1974
01:10:34,284 --> 01:10:35,484
my I don't even know they'd looked at

1975
01:10:35,484 --> 01:10:37,164
my ID. I'll be honest. I think I

1976
01:10:37,164 --> 01:10:38,765
said my name, they asked me my address,

1977
01:10:38,765 --> 01:10:40,765
and maybe I handed somebody my ID for

1978
01:10:40,765 --> 01:10:43,164
a second, and then I digitally signed. I'm

1979
01:10:43,164 --> 01:10:45,659
with you. I want all paper all the

1980
01:10:45,659 --> 01:10:47,840
time. I want physical identification,

1981
01:10:48,699 --> 01:10:49,199
etcetera.

1982
01:10:49,739 --> 01:10:51,579
But, again, I think the issue is even

1983
01:10:51,579 --> 01:10:53,260
with that, are we gonna have the same

1984
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:54,159
type of corruption

1985
01:10:54,619 --> 01:10:56,699
in in these states where this absolutely happens?

1986
01:10:56,699 --> 01:10:58,060
Because we still have you talked about the

1987
01:10:58,060 --> 01:11:00,034
machines. We still have the damn machines counting

1988
01:11:00,034 --> 01:11:02,914
these things with fractional voting. Right? You know?

1989
01:11:02,914 --> 01:11:05,074
Like, that's a that's a whole not I

1990
01:11:05,074 --> 01:11:07,255
don't know that the Save Act does anything

1991
01:11:07,875 --> 01:11:10,675
to stop that, but I would ask what

1992
01:11:10,675 --> 01:11:11,654
is the solution

1993
01:11:12,194 --> 01:11:13,715
to get to? I mean, we're so close

1994
01:11:13,715 --> 01:11:16,560
to the midterms right now. Forget about, you

1995
01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:19,500
know, 2028. '20 '20 '6 is right around

1996
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:21,500
the corner. And at least in this country,

1997
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:23,100
I think that that that does make a

1998
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:25,899
significant difference. So I'll open the floor to

1999
01:11:25,899 --> 01:11:27,679
anybody that wants to retort to that.

2000
01:11:28,364 --> 01:11:29,885
Well, I just I'll just add before anyone

2001
01:11:29,885 --> 01:11:31,085
else jumps in that I think the point

2002
01:11:31,085 --> 01:11:32,885
again is that, you know and not whether

2003
01:11:33,005 --> 01:11:34,604
not that I necessarily agree with the laws

2004
01:11:34,604 --> 01:11:35,885
in the books, but the laws that are

2005
01:11:35,885 --> 01:11:38,284
there to be enforced would already address the

2006
01:11:38,284 --> 01:11:39,885
problem. And that's kind of what we always

2007
01:11:39,885 --> 01:11:41,649
keep seeing is that they're just not like

2008
01:11:41,649 --> 01:11:42,930
like, even with every I mean, I wanna

2009
01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:44,449
alert you to some larger conversation, but the

2010
01:11:44,449 --> 01:11:47,090
idea that they're putting things forward and trying

2011
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:48,609
to solve the problem when the problem is

2012
01:11:48,609 --> 01:11:50,770
just simply already acknowledging the law that's existing.

2013
01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:52,529
And I think that's a constant game that's

2014
01:11:52,529 --> 01:11:54,130
being played. So I think we all agree

2015
01:11:54,130 --> 01:11:55,810
with that problem, but the solution should not

2016
01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:57,975
be a digital ID or really as the

2017
01:11:57,975 --> 01:11:59,975
real ID compliance. Or really the bigger point

2018
01:11:59,975 --> 01:12:01,494
for those that don't think it's digital ID,

2019
01:12:01,494 --> 01:12:03,814
I nationalize information. We've all talked about that

2020
01:12:03,814 --> 01:12:06,215
as a conspiracy topic and how tied that

2021
01:12:06,215 --> 01:12:07,494
is with new role order and all these

2022
01:12:07,494 --> 01:12:09,814
different conversations. So it's interesting that it finally

2023
01:12:09,814 --> 01:12:11,979
gets pushed forward by the people that would

2024
01:12:11,979 --> 01:12:13,420
otherwise be calling it out, which is how

2025
01:12:13,420 --> 01:12:14,859
this always seems to go. So that's, I

2026
01:12:14,859 --> 01:12:15,600
think, important.

2027
01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:17,119
Well, but it it

2028
01:12:17,979 --> 01:12:20,139
parallels gun laws, doesn't it? People say we

2029
01:12:20,139 --> 01:12:22,699
need stricter gun laws because of criminals using

2030
01:12:22,699 --> 01:12:23,920
guns, but

2031
01:12:24,314 --> 01:12:26,234
there are already laws to stop criminals using

2032
01:12:26,234 --> 01:12:27,675
guns, and they ignore them. So you bring

2033
01:12:27,675 --> 01:12:29,034
in strict the gun you bring in strict

2034
01:12:29,034 --> 01:12:30,395
the voting rules, and the people that break

2035
01:12:30,395 --> 01:12:31,755
the voting rules will just break the voting

2036
01:12:31,755 --> 01:12:34,074
rules. I mean, they ignore the rules already.

2037
01:12:34,074 --> 01:12:36,654
New laws aren't gonna make any difference. Right.

2038
01:12:38,060 --> 01:12:39,180
And I think that's the crux of it

2039
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:40,940
is that if you're like, you're addressing adjacent

2040
01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:43,260
is that, you know, what's gonna stop them?

2041
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:44,900
Nothing. And corruption does not stop because of

2042
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:46,220
a new law class like you're talking about.

2043
01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:47,900
They're already corrupt. So they're gonna find their

2044
01:12:47,900 --> 01:12:49,659
ways around it as best they can. That's

2045
01:12:49,659 --> 01:12:51,260
why just the point is to acknowledge that

2046
01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:52,860
they're violating that instead of trying to go

2047
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:54,454
around it. You know, and, you know but

2048
01:12:54,454 --> 01:12:56,135
that's how government works, it seems. But, you

2049
01:12:56,135 --> 01:12:57,895
know, so I think that's and before I

2050
01:12:57,895 --> 01:12:59,175
go to the next part, anybody else have

2051
01:12:59,175 --> 01:13:01,515
any comments on on that discussion point?

2052
01:13:02,854 --> 01:13:04,534
Okay. So let let's jump in into the

2053
01:13:04,534 --> 01:13:06,854
next the point that, you know, the connection

2054
01:13:06,854 --> 01:13:08,234
to that, which is the,

2055
01:13:09,570 --> 01:13:11,289
I guess, the larger database. You know? The

2056
01:13:11,329 --> 01:13:12,449
as you wrote in the and I'll bring

2057
01:13:12,449 --> 01:13:13,890
it up for to kinda set the point

2058
01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:16,130
as you wrote in the article, financial data

2059
01:13:16,130 --> 01:13:18,449
and payment systems and artificial intelligence. So, again,

2060
01:13:18,449 --> 01:13:20,385
there's still no connection points for all development.

2061
01:13:20,625 --> 01:13:22,224
And you just wrote as the summary, to

2062
01:13:22,224 --> 01:13:24,385
build a digital control grid, digital IDs must

2063
01:13:24,385 --> 01:13:27,104
link with programmable money and in interoperable systems

2064
01:13:27,104 --> 01:13:28,244
across multiple platforms

2065
01:13:28,545 --> 01:13:31,184
integrated with central credit and surveillance systems, and

2066
01:13:31,184 --> 01:13:33,425
that that is Stargate, essentially. So kind of

2067
01:13:33,425 --> 01:13:34,944
what we already went over in a lot

2068
01:13:34,944 --> 01:13:36,560
of ways, but any other points to to

2069
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:37,380
start that off?

2070
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,159
You know, the only thing that I would

2071
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,720
say technology wise that wasn't covered in this

2072
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:43,220
article,

2073
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,760
I would say is the artificial scan that

2074
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,680
is constantly being put up by the defense

2075
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:48,819
department and SpaceX.

2076
01:13:49,119 --> 01:13:51,574
Right? So, you know, we talk about in

2077
01:13:51,574 --> 01:13:53,514
this, the doorbell cams

2078
01:13:53,814 --> 01:13:55,114
and that type of surveillance.

2079
01:13:55,654 --> 01:13:57,814
But when you look at what Starlink really

2080
01:13:57,814 --> 01:14:01,114
is, it is that global digital information scan.

2081
01:14:01,494 --> 01:14:04,054
And, you know, the ride along program on

2082
01:14:04,054 --> 01:14:06,800
SpaceX used to put up the Blackjack satellites.

2083
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,960
I know that Derek actually did a a

2084
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,800
couple of extensive pieces talking about the, new

2085
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,380
spy satellite network that has been directly

2086
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,159
created by Musk. So if I were to

2087
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,574
just, like, interject anything into this, it's that

2088
01:14:21,574 --> 01:14:22,795
we have the militarization

2089
01:14:23,335 --> 01:14:26,135
and the surveillance of space going to an

2090
01:14:26,135 --> 01:14:26,635
extremely

2091
01:14:26,935 --> 01:14:27,675
new level.

2092
01:14:27,975 --> 01:14:29,914
And what they're selling the public on

2093
01:14:30,295 --> 01:14:33,175
is Katy Perry going 60 miles up to

2094
01:14:33,175 --> 01:14:35,550
the Karman line and the idea that we're

2095
01:14:35,550 --> 01:14:38,270
going to Mars. Like, Trump literally said it,

2096
01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:40,510
I think, two days ago again, that we

2097
01:14:40,510 --> 01:14:42,349
better get to Mars before the end of

2098
01:14:42,349 --> 01:14:44,130
our administration. None of that's real.

2099
01:14:44,670 --> 01:14:46,449
Like, the these rocket systems

2100
01:14:47,069 --> 01:14:48,609
are defense department

2101
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:50,770
programs, and they

2102
01:14:51,185 --> 01:14:51,685
fully

2103
01:14:51,985 --> 01:14:55,525
wanna great integrate this information system, this information

2104
01:14:55,585 --> 01:14:58,085
skin into not just the Internet of things,

2105
01:14:58,704 --> 01:15:00,305
but the Internet of bodies. And and let

2106
01:15:00,305 --> 01:15:01,985
me just say this about the Internet of

2107
01:15:01,985 --> 01:15:04,565
things. We are starting to see

2108
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:08,180
that mini revolution in The United States of

2109
01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:09,560
self driving cars.

2110
01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:11,539
Phoenix is a big hub for this, and

2111
01:15:11,539 --> 01:15:13,060
I did not know it. My buddy went

2112
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:15,220
out there a a couple weeks ago and

2113
01:15:15,220 --> 01:15:17,699
took one of the robot cabs. They're everywhere

2114
01:15:17,699 --> 01:15:19,994
there. You know? So we're now starting to

2115
01:15:19,994 --> 01:15:20,494
see

2116
01:15:20,795 --> 01:15:22,335
the automation steps

2117
01:15:22,954 --> 01:15:25,515
of this control grid come into fruition at

2118
01:15:25,515 --> 01:15:27,914
least on a smaller scale. And and I

2119
01:15:27,914 --> 01:15:29,435
think a lot of that is going to

2120
01:15:29,435 --> 01:15:30,255
be driven

2121
01:15:30,579 --> 01:15:33,300
by the technology that is in the sky

2122
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:35,060
and really not talked about that much. I

2123
01:15:35,060 --> 01:15:36,979
mean, even when you think about the people

2124
01:15:36,979 --> 01:15:38,600
that were sitting there at the inauguration,

2125
01:15:39,380 --> 01:15:42,679
Bezos is sitting there. Right? Well, Bezos also

2126
01:15:42,739 --> 01:15:43,719
is another one

2127
01:15:44,215 --> 01:15:45,755
of these guys. Amazon

2128
01:15:46,454 --> 01:15:50,135
are building these artificial intelligence information centers and

2129
01:15:50,135 --> 01:15:52,695
trying to opt for this nuclear technology as

2130
01:15:52,695 --> 01:15:54,614
well. So this is a big part of

2131
01:15:54,614 --> 01:15:57,335
the fourth industrial revolution that people aren't talking

2132
01:15:57,335 --> 01:16:00,310
about, The surveillance in the sky, the integration

2133
01:16:00,369 --> 01:16:01,109
with AI

2134
01:16:01,489 --> 01:16:03,350
on the ground, and then utilizing,

2135
01:16:04,289 --> 01:16:07,010
what I think will eventually be these mini

2136
01:16:07,010 --> 01:16:09,030
nuke plants in order to do so.

2137
01:16:10,305 --> 01:16:12,625
Yeah. The the world the World Economic Forum

2138
01:16:12,625 --> 01:16:15,345
have already spoken about what they're calling the

2139
01:16:15,345 --> 01:16:17,045
trillion dollar opportunity

2140
01:16:17,585 --> 01:16:20,164
of, Earth observation satellite industry.

2141
01:16:21,265 --> 01:16:21,664
So,

2142
01:16:22,065 --> 01:16:24,385
a kinda leading technologically on that is, you

2143
01:16:24,385 --> 01:16:27,510
know, companies like Satterlogic that Lutnick has invested

2144
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:28,010
in.

2145
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:31,189
The so the idea is that, you know,

2146
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:33,750
we think about satellites kind of observation in

2147
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:35,909
terms of its, you know, physical observation, like

2148
01:16:35,909 --> 01:16:37,510
some sort of camera looking at the ground

2149
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:38,710
so that you can see an image of

2150
01:16:38,710 --> 01:16:41,534
something. But they're talking about using it using

2151
01:16:41,534 --> 01:16:42,994
it for harvesting data,

2152
01:16:43,454 --> 01:16:44,675
particularly from

2153
01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:47,715
the Internet of things, Internet of bodies,

2154
01:16:48,574 --> 01:16:51,314
bringing this together into one kind of cohesive

2155
01:16:51,694 --> 01:16:52,194
system

2156
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,960
that will take data globally from all these

2157
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,420
devices that we're using,

2158
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,279
monitoring our energy usage. I mean, with it,

2159
01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:02,520
there's already they've they've you know, the idea

2160
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:03,340
of the cryptocurrency

2161
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:07,500
powered smart home has already been developed.

2162
01:17:08,185 --> 01:17:10,265
You know? So so we are moving towards

2163
01:17:10,265 --> 01:17:11,164
a point where

2164
01:17:11,704 --> 01:17:13,085
things like the Earth observation

2165
01:17:13,864 --> 01:17:14,364
industry

2166
01:17:14,984 --> 01:17:17,304
is gonna be a key player in kind

2167
01:17:17,304 --> 01:17:18,844
of the management and collation

2168
01:17:19,145 --> 01:17:22,409
and the AI analysis of that data. So

2169
01:17:22,409 --> 01:17:24,489
the a the AI analysis of the data

2170
01:17:24,489 --> 01:17:26,670
that they're gonna gather on a global scale,

2171
01:17:26,770 --> 01:17:29,369
you know, will be worth in itself will

2172
01:17:29,369 --> 01:17:30,029
be worth

2173
01:17:30,569 --> 01:17:32,890
well, the World Economic Forum call it a

2174
01:17:32,890 --> 01:17:35,529
trillion dollar opportunity because, obviously, I mean, if

2175
01:17:35,529 --> 01:17:38,335
you're developing any kind of of industry or

2176
01:17:38,335 --> 01:17:40,414
any kind of technology, then that data will

2177
01:17:40,414 --> 01:17:43,635
be extremely valuable. Now we're already seeing companies

2178
01:17:43,694 --> 01:17:44,194
like,

2179
01:17:44,654 --> 01:17:47,774
X moving into selling their user data. So

2180
01:17:47,774 --> 01:17:50,514
they they they openly trade their user data.

2181
01:17:50,860 --> 01:17:53,039
Now supposedly, it's anonymous, but, nonetheless,

2182
01:17:53,420 --> 01:17:55,360
you know, the data that has been harvested

2183
01:17:55,420 --> 01:17:57,979
by things like the LLMs that are that

2184
01:17:57,979 --> 01:17:59,900
are harvesting up all of our kind of

2185
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:02,239
interactions online, and it is everything.

2186
01:18:02,619 --> 01:18:05,260
It's every comment we make. It's every it's

2187
01:18:05,260 --> 01:18:06,079
this video.

2188
01:18:06,395 --> 01:18:06,895
It's

2189
01:18:07,274 --> 01:18:09,594
it's all being gathered and harvested to try

2190
01:18:09,755 --> 01:18:11,295
to train these LLMs.

2191
01:18:11,994 --> 01:18:14,475
And once those LLMs are trained, then they're

2192
01:18:14,475 --> 01:18:17,354
gonna be used for and similar AI systems

2193
01:18:17,354 --> 01:18:19,935
are gonna be used to an to analyze

2194
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:22,939
fit the data that is gathered by things

2195
01:18:22,939 --> 01:18:25,979
like the Earth observation satellite systems. So we

2196
01:18:26,140 --> 01:18:27,579
who and I and I think that one

2197
01:18:27,579 --> 01:18:29,020
of the things that they're doing at the

2198
01:18:29,020 --> 01:18:31,180
moment is that there there are a number

2199
01:18:31,180 --> 01:18:34,300
of competing technologies that they're playing off against

2200
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:35,039
one another

2201
01:18:35,704 --> 01:18:38,024
to see which one comes out on top.

2202
01:18:38,024 --> 01:18:39,225
Now a lot of that will be down

2203
01:18:39,225 --> 01:18:40,984
to investment, but a lot of that will

2204
01:18:40,984 --> 01:18:42,664
also be down to, you know, kind of

2205
01:18:42,664 --> 01:18:45,704
technological efficiency as well. So when when they

2206
01:18:45,784 --> 01:18:48,024
when they've got a cohesive system and and

2207
01:18:48,024 --> 01:18:49,244
a winner emerges,

2208
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,520
then that will be, you know, the kind

2209
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,280
of a kind of monopoly on the on

2210
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,220
the data that they are gathering.

2211
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,420
And then they've already talking about the concept

2212
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,500
both in the five you know, both financial

2213
01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:03,760
and digital ID of this notion of the

2214
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,060
universal ledger,

2215
01:19:05,664 --> 01:19:06,485
which will be,

2216
01:19:07,425 --> 01:19:10,485
you know, a centralized ledger of all data.

2217
01:19:11,104 --> 01:19:11,604
So,

2218
01:19:12,225 --> 01:19:13,905
you know, I mean, that that is the

2219
01:19:13,905 --> 01:19:15,364
ultimate kind of centralization

2220
01:19:15,824 --> 01:19:18,145
of authority if you've got access to that

2221
01:19:18,145 --> 01:19:18,645
data.

2222
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:20,479
Funnily enough,

2223
01:19:20,859 --> 01:19:23,119
it's being sold to us as decentralization.

2224
01:19:24,539 --> 01:19:26,699
So all the all these all these new

2225
01:19:26,699 --> 01:19:29,020
systems that are coming out are being these

2226
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:31,359
competitive systems that are decentralized,

2227
01:19:32,265 --> 01:19:35,225
and there's all these vendor agnostic companies that

2228
01:19:35,225 --> 01:19:35,885
are competing

2229
01:19:36,344 --> 01:19:38,425
because it's just a kind of kind of

2230
01:19:38,425 --> 01:19:40,364
free for all that's gonna enable

2231
01:19:40,664 --> 01:19:41,965
a brave new world.

2232
01:19:42,664 --> 01:19:43,164
Unfortunately,

2233
01:19:43,704 --> 01:19:44,039
the

2234
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,619
the the nature of that decentralization

2235
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:50,119
is, if you like, creating nodes on an

2236
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:51,020
on a blockchain

2237
01:19:51,399 --> 01:19:51,899
network

2238
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,699
that is gonna enable the centralization

2239
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:57,340
of, particularly, the analysis

2240
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,780
of all that data.

2241
01:19:59,255 --> 01:20:00,875
That's that's what they're constructing.

2242
01:20:01,494 --> 01:20:03,335
So I just wanted to mention one thing

2243
01:20:03,335 --> 01:20:05,515
because I I don't see

2244
01:20:06,454 --> 01:20:09,574
how this vision works in terms of energy

2245
01:20:09,574 --> 01:20:10,074
consumption

2246
01:20:10,774 --> 01:20:13,755
unless you bring out breakthrough energy or you

2247
01:20:13,895 --> 01:20:14,395
depopulate

2248
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,199
or both. Mhmm. Or both. Yeah. I mean,

2249
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:17,560
that's the

2250
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,560
Everyone they're already talking about in order to

2251
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,300
meet the projected, and it's the international IEEE,

2252
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:27,135
I can't remember what that stands for. But

2253
01:20:27,135 --> 01:20:30,414
they their their last kind of, assessment report

2254
01:20:30,414 --> 01:20:32,675
of where we would be by 2050.

2255
01:20:33,534 --> 01:20:34,514
I think currently,

2256
01:20:35,295 --> 01:20:35,795
the,

2257
01:20:36,974 --> 01:20:39,720
the total global use is something like '26.

2258
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,199
I'm gonna get this horribly wrong. 26,000,000

2259
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:43,260
gigawatt hours

2260
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,280
per year, and that's gonna that's gonna double

2261
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,260
to, you know, more than 50 by 2050,

2262
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,680
which they've calculated is the equivalent of adding

2263
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,140
a nation like Japan

2264
01:20:54,795 --> 01:20:55,614
to the energy

2265
01:20:56,235 --> 01:20:57,135
to energy consumption

2266
01:20:57,595 --> 01:20:58,335
every year

2267
01:20:58,635 --> 01:21:00,414
between now and 2050.

2268
01:21:00,954 --> 01:21:02,175
So that's the scale

2269
01:21:02,875 --> 01:21:06,475
of the of the energy increase, the energy

2270
01:21:06,475 --> 01:21:06,975
generation

2271
01:21:07,354 --> 01:21:07,854
increase

2272
01:21:08,475 --> 01:21:09,935
that we would need if

2273
01:21:10,819 --> 01:21:12,760
this was actually gonna happen,

2274
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:15,380
which means, as you quite rightly say, there's

2275
01:21:15,380 --> 01:21:17,539
only two parts of that equation, Catherine, isn't

2276
01:21:17,539 --> 01:21:19,800
there? There's there's either gotta be

2277
01:21:20,260 --> 01:21:22,739
a hell of a lot more nuclear power

2278
01:21:22,739 --> 01:21:24,760
stations or some sort of fundamental

2279
01:21:25,139 --> 01:21:26,145
energy breakthrough.

2280
01:21:26,944 --> 01:21:29,024
Through. Or Well, they've we they've had the

2281
01:21:29,024 --> 01:21:31,425
breakthrough. They've had the breakthroughs. They just haven't

2282
01:21:31,425 --> 01:21:32,324
applied them.

2283
01:21:32,704 --> 01:21:34,465
Well, it's not just list of us, but

2284
01:21:34,465 --> 01:21:36,484
we see multiple people

2285
01:21:37,104 --> 01:21:38,784
talking about how they're gonna be lived to

2286
01:21:38,784 --> 01:21:40,545
a hundred and 40 five. We saw the

2287
01:21:40,545 --> 01:21:41,045
president's

2288
01:21:41,529 --> 01:21:42,670
son-in-law say

2289
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:45,369
His generation was gonna be the last to

2290
01:21:45,369 --> 01:21:47,289
die or or they are we're gonna live

2291
01:21:47,289 --> 01:21:47,789
forever

2292
01:21:48,489 --> 01:21:50,969
So, you know, so that's even more environment

2293
01:21:50,969 --> 01:21:53,130
stress. Let me just mention one thing I

2294
01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:54,569
was looking at a group. So I have

2295
01:21:54,569 --> 01:21:55,210
a screen,

2296
01:21:55,935 --> 01:21:58,034
investment screen company. I was looking

2297
01:21:58,494 --> 01:22:00,574
at a list of the stocks that had

2298
01:22:00,574 --> 01:22:02,574
performed the best over the last year just

2299
01:22:02,574 --> 01:22:03,475
out of curiosity.

2300
01:22:04,095 --> 01:22:06,095
One was a software company. I ended up

2301
01:22:06,095 --> 01:22:08,159
going in, and it turned out that one

2302
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:11,119
of their lines of business was digitizing the

2303
01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:12,979
forest. So they were planning on

2304
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,340
spraying sensors,

2305
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,039
you know, like on the entire Amazon and

2306
01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:20,159
collecting data on every living thing in the

2307
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,560
forest. It was called Internet of forest. And

2308
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,534
I just said, you know, these guys have

2309
01:22:26,555 --> 01:22:28,875
every ruse you can think of to create

2310
01:22:28,875 --> 01:22:30,255
the suck up data. It's unbelievable.

2311
01:22:30,875 --> 01:22:32,555
That's insane. I've never heard that. I mean,

2312
01:22:32,555 --> 01:22:33,994
that's and that's just that has to Do

2313
01:22:33,994 --> 01:22:35,835
do a search for the Internet of forest.

2314
01:22:35,835 --> 01:22:37,280
You'll pick it up. Well, I was gonna

2315
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,039
make that point actually before I I go

2316
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:40,820
to something else is that what's interesting

2317
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:42,579
is the Internet of bodies

2318
01:22:43,119 --> 01:22:45,119
is actually the old conversation. Right? So we're

2319
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:46,880
well, this is from 2,019.

2320
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,119
Right? And so they're talking about the Internet

2321
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:49,440
of bodies. The Internet of things was the

2322
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:51,554
interconnection. Like, we're beyond even this. We're at

2323
01:22:51,635 --> 01:22:53,395
Right. We're at a bio nano things and,

2324
01:22:53,395 --> 01:22:54,594
like, so we're getting to the point to

2325
01:22:54,594 --> 01:22:57,074
where we're still being pointed to something. It's

2326
01:22:57,074 --> 01:22:58,675
always like the deflection. Right? They give you

2327
01:22:58,675 --> 01:23:00,274
what was happening twenty years ago while they're

2328
01:23:00,274 --> 01:23:01,635
moving on to something else. And I think

2329
01:23:01,635 --> 01:23:04,109
that's what this really is. Because Right. Well

2330
01:23:04,109 --> 01:23:05,630
beyond that. And you can't do what you're

2331
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:07,389
talking about with the trees without something like

2332
01:23:07,389 --> 01:23:08,130
smart dust.

2333
01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:10,829
Right. Yeah. That's that's wild. And so that

2334
01:23:10,829 --> 01:23:12,510
really shows you so let let's bring that

2335
01:23:12,510 --> 01:23:13,789
to the larger kind of what I see

2336
01:23:13,789 --> 01:23:14,529
as the Palantir

2337
01:23:14,829 --> 01:23:16,270
or whatever you want. I think Palantir is

2338
01:23:16,270 --> 01:23:18,350
the obvious point. Or Oracle is obviously involved,

2339
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:21,375
but the portal information awareness, CI overlap, Palantir,

2340
01:23:21,675 --> 01:23:23,774
where we're seeing this sort of all encompassing.

2341
01:23:24,074 --> 01:23:26,074
As we've been highlighting in every aspect, this

2342
01:23:26,074 --> 01:23:26,574
consolidation

2343
01:23:26,954 --> 01:23:29,675
of information, of surveillance. I mean, I've got

2344
01:23:29,675 --> 01:23:31,354
many things pulled up of, like, the IRS

2345
01:23:31,354 --> 01:23:33,850
overlap, the immigration OS they rolled out, you

2346
01:23:33,850 --> 01:23:36,489
know, all these different massive consolidations of controlled

2347
01:23:36,489 --> 01:23:37,630
surveillance and information.

2348
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:39,609
So let's kind of end on that general

2349
01:23:39,609 --> 01:23:40,729
point. I don't know how much time you

2350
01:23:40,729 --> 01:23:42,969
have, Catherine, if you wanna start. So I've

2351
01:23:42,969 --> 01:23:44,189
got one minute.

2352
01:23:45,784 --> 01:23:47,704
So, you know, I think it's a little

2353
01:23:47,704 --> 01:23:49,625
bit like the, you know, the old stories

2354
01:23:49,625 --> 01:23:51,864
of the gold rush where everybody sees an

2355
01:23:51,864 --> 01:23:53,564
opportunity to make money

2356
01:23:53,945 --> 01:23:54,765
by centralizing

2357
01:23:55,225 --> 01:23:57,864
and creating more data and centralizing. We do

2358
01:23:57,864 --> 01:24:00,289
know now I've been told many times that

2359
01:24:00,289 --> 01:24:02,210
the guy who has the best AI is

2360
01:24:02,210 --> 01:24:03,189
the one who can

2361
01:24:04,050 --> 01:24:06,210
who can provide it with the highest quality

2362
01:24:06,369 --> 01:24:08,309
the most highest quality data

2363
01:24:08,609 --> 01:24:10,689
because it really develops on the data. And

2364
01:24:10,689 --> 01:24:12,854
so, you know, this is part of a

2365
01:24:12,854 --> 01:24:14,614
of a gold rush. And, of course, it's

2366
01:24:14,614 --> 01:24:17,654
allowed because carrots and sticks, it takes it

2367
01:24:17,654 --> 01:24:19,734
takes you where the centralizers wanna go. But

2368
01:24:19,734 --> 01:24:21,514
I I do wanna point out

2369
01:24:21,895 --> 01:24:24,375
that, you know, whether it's the energy question

2370
01:24:24,375 --> 01:24:25,835
or many other questions,

2371
01:24:27,119 --> 01:24:28,500
you know, I just see

2372
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:30,820
that that the centralizers

2373
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:32,820
have enormous problems.

2374
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,840
This is gonna turn into one of the

2375
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,239
greatest cluster you know whats. I mean, it

2376
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:39,140
already is.

2377
01:24:39,564 --> 01:24:41,885
And I think that's why what Derek said

2378
01:24:41,885 --> 01:24:43,645
about, you know, focus on the actions you

2379
01:24:43,645 --> 01:24:44,385
can take

2380
01:24:44,765 --> 01:24:47,564
and building local resilience and just doing it

2381
01:24:47,564 --> 01:24:49,805
every time you can just do it. If

2382
01:24:49,805 --> 01:24:51,984
enough people do that, it has tremendous

2383
01:24:52,929 --> 01:24:55,349
opportunity because I think their vision,

2384
01:24:56,210 --> 01:24:59,590
it it as an economic matter and as

2385
01:24:59,649 --> 01:25:01,729
a matter in alignment, well, it just doesn't

2386
01:25:01,729 --> 01:25:02,389
make sense.

2387
01:25:02,689 --> 01:25:04,710
You know, this is way too psychopathic

2388
01:25:05,090 --> 01:25:05,750
to work.

2389
01:25:06,645 --> 01:25:08,345
So I I I just

2390
01:25:08,965 --> 01:25:10,585
Yeah. I mean, I could see why everybody's

2391
01:25:10,645 --> 01:25:12,484
rushing for the gold rush, but at some

2392
01:25:12,484 --> 01:25:14,805
point, just remember the guys who made money

2393
01:25:14,805 --> 01:25:16,564
on the gold rush were the guys who

2394
01:25:16,564 --> 01:25:18,505
made the blue jeans. Right.

2395
01:25:19,630 --> 01:25:20,130
Right.

2396
01:25:20,590 --> 01:25:22,989
Anyway, gentlemen, it's always a pleasure. Thank you

2397
01:25:22,989 --> 01:25:25,090
very much, Ryan, for doing this. I can't

2398
01:25:25,229 --> 01:25:27,329
tell you how much I appreciate it because

2399
01:25:27,949 --> 01:25:29,789
the more I again, the more we can

2400
01:25:29,789 --> 01:25:31,810
help people see the overall picture,

2401
01:25:32,215 --> 01:25:34,055
I think the more people who will start

2402
01:25:34,055 --> 01:25:37,095
to, you know, look for real solutions and

2403
01:25:37,095 --> 01:25:38,155
and back out.

2404
01:25:38,534 --> 01:25:38,935
Anyway

2405
01:25:39,414 --> 01:25:41,175
Absolutely. And great work on this, and looking

2406
01:25:41,175 --> 01:25:42,454
forward to the next one, Catherine. So thanks

2407
01:25:42,454 --> 01:25:44,235
for joining. Have a great day.

2408
01:25:44,775 --> 01:25:45,595
Thanks, Catherine.

2409
01:25:46,739 --> 01:25:47,779
I would just like to add on top

2410
01:25:47,779 --> 01:25:49,559
of that, you know, in the the interesting

2411
01:25:50,420 --> 01:25:52,420
what Catherine said, doesn't that make you worry

2412
01:25:52,420 --> 01:25:54,979
that maybe this is the worst version that

2413
01:25:54,979 --> 01:25:56,579
hides the one that comes it's usually how

2414
01:25:56,579 --> 01:25:58,099
that feels. Right? Where it's like, they're showing

2415
01:25:58,099 --> 01:26:00,255
you this crazy idea so people go no

2416
01:26:00,255 --> 01:26:01,935
to that and then quietly roll out the

2417
01:26:01,935 --> 01:26:03,775
one that's a little less bad behind it.

2418
01:26:03,775 --> 01:26:05,135
You know? I don't know. Just any thoughts

2419
01:26:05,135 --> 01:26:06,275
on her last point there.

2420
01:26:07,055 --> 01:26:09,135
You know, I I mean, obviously, with the

2421
01:26:09,135 --> 01:26:11,375
Internet of body stuff, you know, that's something

2422
01:26:11,454 --> 01:26:12,835
you mentioned Smart Dust.

2423
01:26:13,420 --> 01:26:15,340
Well, we're in year 20 plus of that

2424
01:26:15,340 --> 01:26:18,159
being, like, used by the military industrial complex

2425
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:19,439
openly. Barely

2426
01:26:20,859 --> 01:26:22,619
talked about. And I think that that's a

2427
01:26:22,619 --> 01:26:24,859
a big problem. I would encourage people to

2428
01:26:24,859 --> 01:26:26,744
go read, a book now. I think that's

2429
01:26:26,824 --> 01:26:28,265
about a decade old. I think it might

2430
01:26:28,265 --> 01:26:29,485
even be 2013,

2431
01:26:29,945 --> 01:26:32,585
and that is First Platoon by Annie Jacobson.

2432
01:26:32,585 --> 01:26:33,885
And that story actually,

2433
01:26:34,905 --> 01:26:37,244
revolves around smart dust and its utilization,

2434
01:26:38,185 --> 01:26:40,265
by a unit in Iraq to target a,

2435
01:26:40,265 --> 01:26:41,885
quote, unquote, terrorist threat

2436
01:26:42,210 --> 01:26:43,890
that they end up at the last minute

2437
01:26:43,890 --> 01:26:46,369
not killing based on this technology that would

2438
01:26:46,369 --> 01:26:47,590
have been the wrong one.

2439
01:26:48,289 --> 01:26:49,670
I do wanna talk about

2440
01:26:50,130 --> 01:26:53,110
AI based killing because we've been mentioning Palantir,

2441
01:26:53,489 --> 01:26:56,130
and we've been mentioning Peter Thiel. Probably my

2442
01:26:56,130 --> 01:26:57,829
clip of the year so far

2443
01:26:58,364 --> 01:27:01,824
is when Peter Thiel gets asked about lavender

2444
01:27:02,524 --> 01:27:03,664
and the Israelis

2445
01:27:03,965 --> 01:27:04,944
using that

2446
01:27:05,324 --> 01:27:07,824
to target, what is it, 34,000,

2447
01:27:07,885 --> 01:27:10,465
quote, unquote, terrorists. And Thiel is

2448
01:27:10,849 --> 01:27:13,090
extremely the most uncomfortable I think I've ever

2449
01:27:13,090 --> 01:27:14,869
seen him in my life on video.

2450
01:27:15,170 --> 01:27:18,050
His face gets beet red. He stutters. He

2451
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:20,609
stammers. You can see the inflection in his

2452
01:27:20,609 --> 01:27:22,289
voice and and the way his his jaw

2453
01:27:22,289 --> 01:27:24,210
is moving that he's very uncomfortable with that

2454
01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:24,710
question

2455
01:27:25,045 --> 01:27:27,045
Because when you do peel back any of

2456
01:27:27,045 --> 01:27:29,064
the basic layers of who they targeted,

2457
01:27:29,604 --> 01:27:31,204
it it was basically people that were in

2458
01:27:31,204 --> 01:27:32,505
group chats. Right?

2459
01:27:32,885 --> 01:27:35,204
People that knew people that were supposedly, quote,

2460
01:27:35,204 --> 01:27:36,585
unquote, Hamas terrorists.

2461
01:27:36,965 --> 01:27:39,144
And then you look at the overall military

2462
01:27:39,284 --> 01:27:39,784
targeting.

2463
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:41,329
We have to remember,

2464
01:27:42,109 --> 01:27:43,170
you know, the IDF

2465
01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:47,570
utilized the technology that blew people up in

2466
01:27:47,630 --> 01:27:50,289
broad daylight in public in nonmilitary

2467
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:51,250
situations.

2468
01:27:51,789 --> 01:27:53,489
Is this what we wanna promote

2469
01:27:53,814 --> 01:27:55,434
with Palantir and Lavender?

2470
01:27:55,814 --> 01:27:57,994
And even more crass,

2471
01:27:58,694 --> 01:28:00,795
and I would say openly militaristic,

2472
01:28:01,255 --> 01:28:03,114
is his right hand man

2473
01:28:03,494 --> 01:28:04,154
in this,

2474
01:28:05,255 --> 01:28:08,610
Palantir project, AKA Alex Karp. He's the one

2475
01:28:08,610 --> 01:28:09,590
going to the consumer

2476
01:28:09,970 --> 01:28:13,010
electronic shows. He's the one talking about these

2477
01:28:13,010 --> 01:28:15,649
things very, very blase. And I think also

2478
01:28:15,649 --> 01:28:16,710
about six months,

2479
01:28:17,010 --> 01:28:19,810
he just bragged openly how this thing was

2480
01:28:19,810 --> 01:28:22,689
gonna be utilized globally, and they're the ones

2481
01:28:22,689 --> 01:28:25,295
that have oversight, Period. And you know as

2482
01:28:25,295 --> 01:28:26,655
well as I do, that doesn't mean the,

2483
01:28:26,655 --> 01:28:27,954
quote, unquote, United States

2484
01:28:28,335 --> 01:28:29,314
has oversight.

2485
01:28:29,775 --> 01:28:30,515
This is

2486
01:28:31,135 --> 01:28:31,875
a company

2487
01:28:32,175 --> 01:28:34,895
that is heavily embedded in Five Eyes, which

2488
01:28:34,895 --> 01:28:35,875
means what?

2489
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:36,939
Israel,

2490
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:38,460
The United States,

2491
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,140
The United Kingdom,

2492
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,640
really our allies as well on top of

2493
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,439
Australia and Canada. Right? Because when we talk

2494
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,119
about what's going on in Yemen, do you

2495
01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:50,024
think Palantir is not involved there?

2496
01:28:50,664 --> 01:28:53,005
I mean, come on. Oh, we now together

2497
01:28:53,064 --> 01:28:54,585
basically in every field of war that we

2498
01:28:54,585 --> 01:28:56,585
can see right now. And that is extremely

2499
01:28:56,585 --> 01:28:59,005
problematic, not just because it's being utilized

2500
01:28:59,625 --> 01:29:00,125
overseas,

2501
01:29:00,664 --> 01:29:03,244
but because it's also being utilized domestically.

2502
01:29:03,784 --> 01:29:05,164
And the question is,

2503
01:29:05,530 --> 01:29:08,329
how much more implementation of that are we

2504
01:29:08,329 --> 01:29:10,649
going to see now that we've legitimized this

2505
01:29:10,649 --> 01:29:11,149
idea

2506
01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:14,270
that even gang members in The United States

2507
01:29:14,570 --> 01:29:17,210
are part of terrorist groups? People accused people

2508
01:29:17,210 --> 01:29:18,816
accused of being gang members in many cases

2509
01:29:18,816 --> 01:29:18,865
without any due process or verification. So that

2510
01:29:18,865 --> 01:29:18,914
adds to that point where you can just

2511
01:29:18,914 --> 01:29:18,963
go, this is what I think it is,

2512
01:29:18,963 --> 01:29:19,630
and people are

2513
01:29:20,385 --> 01:29:22,564
verification. So that adds to that point

2514
01:29:23,425 --> 01:29:24,158
where you can just go, this is what

2515
01:29:24,158 --> 01:29:24,965
I think it is, and people are literally

2516
01:29:25,264 --> 01:29:26,864
going, that's enough. The president can decree that

2517
01:29:26,864 --> 01:29:28,545
you're something with no due process and get

2518
01:29:28,545 --> 01:29:30,625
rid of you or, like you're saying, maybe

2519
01:29:30,625 --> 01:29:32,385
a drone strike. These are these are real

2520
01:29:32,385 --> 01:29:34,064
plot points. This is why I've always said

2521
01:29:34,064 --> 01:29:37,470
we don't just block criminals are criminals. Right?

2522
01:29:37,689 --> 01:29:38,989
This terrorist word

2523
01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:43,289
is is utterly been overused, not just through

2524
01:29:43,289 --> 01:29:45,949
the Trump administration, but even before that. We've

2525
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:48,329
kinda placated this I to this idea of

2526
01:29:48,329 --> 01:29:50,510
domestic terrorists. Right? There's a whole

2527
01:29:51,015 --> 01:29:53,654
subsection of conservatives that wanna call Antifa a

2528
01:29:53,654 --> 01:29:56,454
terroristic organization. It's like, woah, buddy. You know,

2529
01:29:56,454 --> 01:29:57,914
again, if an individual

2530
01:29:58,295 --> 01:30:00,215
or a group commits crimes, that does not

2531
01:30:00,215 --> 01:30:01,755
necessarily make them terrorists.

2532
01:30:02,135 --> 01:30:04,375
And when you take the word terrorist, you

2533
01:30:04,375 --> 01:30:06,680
are taking out, like you said, all of

2534
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,399
due process. And that Let's even just go

2535
01:30:09,399 --> 01:30:10,680
back to the word criminal, though. Right? Because

2536
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,520
it's the same principle. Right? Whether whether you're

2537
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,199
accused of being criminal or a terrorist, the

2538
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:16,199
point is whether it's an illegal alien or

2539
01:30:16,199 --> 01:30:18,520
anything else under the constitution, therefore, due process

2540
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,085
to prove those things. And so I think

2541
01:30:20,085 --> 01:30:21,685
this is a really good overlap to what

2542
01:30:21,685 --> 01:30:23,845
we're talking about with this Palantir or whatever

2543
01:30:23,845 --> 01:30:25,625
else, or or we're discussing

2544
01:30:26,805 --> 01:30:28,104
surveillance, identification,

2545
01:30:28,805 --> 01:30:30,805
you know, cataloging of information that then is

2546
01:30:30,805 --> 01:30:33,399
used against you in ways where potentially as

2547
01:30:33,399 --> 01:30:35,639
we're seeing as Trump has floated five times

2548
01:30:35,639 --> 01:30:37,479
now, the idea of sending Americans to a

2549
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,079
foreign prison. You know? And so this all

2550
01:30:39,159 --> 01:30:40,679
and this obviously comes and I we don't

2551
01:30:40,679 --> 01:30:42,199
have to get into that larger conversation unless

2552
01:30:42,199 --> 01:30:43,800
you want to, but it clearly it clearly

2553
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,524
overlaps being as how Palantir is using justification

2554
01:30:47,145 --> 01:30:50,024
of highlighting people in immigration and surveillance, and

2555
01:30:50,024 --> 01:30:51,864
it's all building in the same direction even

2556
01:30:51,864 --> 01:30:53,465
if people agree with the outcome of this

2557
01:30:53,465 --> 01:30:54,824
or how they're doing it, which I think

2558
01:30:54,824 --> 01:30:57,699
is flatly constitute unconstitutional. But it's an interesting

2559
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:58,340
thing

2560
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:01,760
about the conversation about what the doge has

2561
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,439
been doing is that I can't remember who

2562
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,439
wrote the article, but they did they described

2563
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:06,340
it as posthuman

2564
01:31:07,279 --> 01:31:10,260
because they were they were using AI essentially

2565
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,854
to decide whether someone was efficient or not.

2566
01:31:13,255 --> 01:31:14,314
And then and then

2567
01:31:15,015 --> 01:31:18,135
potentially firing them based on an AI AI

2568
01:31:18,135 --> 01:31:20,295
made decision. Or did you Which which which

2569
01:31:20,295 --> 01:31:21,194
is which

2570
01:31:21,574 --> 01:31:24,055
is if you apply that kind of same

2571
01:31:24,055 --> 01:31:24,694
thing to,

2572
01:31:25,829 --> 01:31:27,590
you know, the notion of whether or not

2573
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:29,530
somebody is which they are doing,

2574
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:32,229
the the notion of whether or not somebody

2575
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:34,390
is, quote, unquote, a terrorist or whether they

2576
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:37,770
should be deported for alleged criminal activity

2577
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:39,770
based upon an AI

2578
01:31:40,925 --> 01:31:42,864
assessment of available data,

2579
01:31:43,405 --> 01:31:45,885
then then we are moving into it is

2580
01:31:45,885 --> 01:31:47,485
it is not unreasonable to say that we

2581
01:31:47,485 --> 01:31:49,744
are moving into a posthuman world

2582
01:31:50,364 --> 01:31:51,105
because because,

2583
01:31:51,805 --> 01:31:53,565
you know, those are the kind of decisions

2584
01:31:53,565 --> 01:31:55,319
that surely must be taken, as you were

2585
01:31:55,319 --> 01:31:56,539
saying, Ryan, as following

2586
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,060
a a a due process,

2587
01:31:58,679 --> 01:32:01,639
not not not based on AI's assessment of

2588
01:32:01,639 --> 01:32:03,639
a of a due process. And one thing

2589
01:32:03,639 --> 01:32:05,079
I think that we are in very much

2590
01:32:05,079 --> 01:32:07,579
danger with all this conversation about AI

2591
01:32:08,055 --> 01:32:08,795
is overestimating

2592
01:32:09,175 --> 01:32:10,475
its actual capability.

2593
01:32:10,935 --> 01:32:13,494
Yes. Or a way of that. Yeah. Because,

2594
01:32:13,494 --> 01:32:14,774
I mean, we are we are we are

2595
01:32:14,774 --> 01:32:17,755
being told that it's capable of so much,

2596
01:32:18,215 --> 01:32:19,755
but it's also incapable

2597
01:32:20,375 --> 01:32:23,270
of a tremendous amount. Things that human beings

2598
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:25,670
can do in a split fraction of a

2599
01:32:25,670 --> 01:32:26,170
second,

2600
01:32:26,710 --> 01:32:30,170
AI is nowhere near capable of doing. So

2601
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:32,710
so, you know, we are being kind of

2602
01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:35,270
led into this idea that ultimately there will

2603
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:36,010
be a singularity.

2604
01:32:39,215 --> 01:32:39,715
Sentient.

2605
01:32:40,095 --> 01:32:41,954
There's no there's no reason to think that

2606
01:32:42,095 --> 01:32:44,655
that's any that isn't something that is on

2607
01:32:44,655 --> 01:32:46,274
the horizon at all.

2608
01:32:46,655 --> 01:32:49,074
What we've got is massive data harvesting

2609
01:32:49,739 --> 01:32:50,479
and analytical

2610
01:32:51,180 --> 01:32:51,680
programming

2611
01:32:52,380 --> 01:32:52,880
of,

2612
01:32:53,340 --> 01:32:56,380
you know, programs that assess that data. It

2613
01:32:56,380 --> 01:32:58,220
might be highly complex, and it might be

2614
01:32:58,220 --> 01:33:00,779
able to mimic things like human speech. But

2615
01:33:00,779 --> 01:33:02,079
it but it's not

2616
01:33:02,704 --> 01:33:04,085
some sort of amazing,

2617
01:33:04,944 --> 01:33:05,904
you know, kind of,

2618
01:33:07,264 --> 01:33:10,385
aid to the kind of forward forward march

2619
01:33:10,385 --> 01:33:11,045
of humankind.

2620
01:33:11,904 --> 01:33:14,224
It's quite the opposite. So, you know, we

2621
01:33:14,385 --> 01:33:15,984
you know, well, there's no reason why we

2622
01:33:15,984 --> 01:33:16,484
would

2623
01:33:17,184 --> 01:33:17,684
ever

2624
01:33:18,180 --> 01:33:20,659
want to even contemplate the idea of a

2625
01:33:20,659 --> 01:33:23,699
posthuman future, why why would we, as human

2626
01:33:23,699 --> 01:33:27,300
beings, ever contemplate that? Yep. It's the great

2627
01:33:27,300 --> 01:33:29,380
reset. When the Maggot great reset or whatever's

2628
01:33:29,380 --> 01:33:31,454
happening now. Ryan, there was a couple points

2629
01:33:31,454 --> 01:33:33,215
that I did wanna jump in, on what

2630
01:33:33,215 --> 01:33:34,814
you said because I think that when you're

2631
01:33:34,814 --> 01:33:35,635
talking about,

2632
01:33:36,095 --> 01:33:38,574
you know, exiling criminals or rounding them up

2633
01:33:38,655 --> 01:33:40,175
you know, first of all, under the guise

2634
01:33:40,175 --> 01:33:40,835
of immigration,

2635
01:33:41,215 --> 01:33:43,614
I'm much less sympathetic to people that aren't

2636
01:33:43,614 --> 01:33:45,534
United States citizens, and I'll just put that

2637
01:33:45,534 --> 01:33:48,150
outright. However, if you're going to deport them,

2638
01:33:48,150 --> 01:33:50,250
you don't send them to Guantanamo Bay.

2639
01:33:50,710 --> 01:33:53,590
Okay? And for me, that is a big

2640
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:54,090
issue

2641
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:56,949
that you have a black site involved in

2642
01:33:56,949 --> 01:33:59,574
any of this process. Right? And I do

2643
01:33:59,574 --> 01:34:00,795
not like the legitimization

2644
01:34:01,175 --> 01:34:02,854
of something that should have been shut down

2645
01:34:03,015 --> 01:34:05,015
which should never been reactivated in the manner

2646
01:34:05,015 --> 01:34:06,314
it was post

2647
01:34:06,614 --> 01:34:09,015
war of terror. You know, a a facility

2648
01:34:09,015 --> 01:34:11,515
that still holds Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

2649
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,779
and the other accused nine eleven member twenty

2650
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,640
plus years later, and the public had some

2651
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,720
kind of a problem and outrage that they

2652
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,560
might have cut a deal with them when

2653
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,579
we didn't see any of the evidence presented,

2654
01:34:24,925 --> 01:34:26,364
when we didn't see what was going on

2655
01:34:26,364 --> 01:34:29,505
in these military tribunals, when you can outwardly

2656
01:34:29,564 --> 01:34:32,305
say, obviously, they did not get due process

2657
01:34:32,445 --> 01:34:34,445
in the case of a fast trial as

2658
01:34:34,445 --> 01:34:36,385
we're twenty plus years later.

2659
01:34:36,939 --> 01:34:40,239
And now bringing that into the immigration process,

2660
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:43,279
one, like you just said, is heavily automated.

2661
01:34:43,420 --> 01:34:45,099
You know that it's heavily automated. You're a

2662
01:34:45,099 --> 01:34:45,920
%

2663
01:34:45,979 --> 01:34:47,760
right with those. And I think that people

2664
01:34:47,899 --> 01:34:49,359
need to understand that process

2665
01:34:49,715 --> 01:34:51,314
has been going on for a very long

2666
01:34:51,314 --> 01:34:54,534
time. And, actually, there have been specific units

2667
01:34:54,594 --> 01:34:56,354
in NASA. I used to play videos of

2668
01:34:56,354 --> 01:34:59,654
the guy talking about this. How, like, every

2669
01:34:59,715 --> 01:35:01,494
eight to sixteen months,

2670
01:35:02,050 --> 01:35:04,529
they would they would bring people in with

2671
01:35:04,529 --> 01:35:07,329
the next level of artificial intelligence. And and,

2672
01:35:07,329 --> 01:35:10,210
essentially, these people would train half the amount

2673
01:35:10,210 --> 01:35:10,949
of the staff

2674
01:35:11,409 --> 01:35:13,409
by those people that would then be let

2675
01:35:13,409 --> 01:35:15,774
go in favor of this automation

2676
01:35:16,074 --> 01:35:16,895
and AI

2677
01:35:17,195 --> 01:35:20,175
promise. Right? And when we look at AI,

2678
01:35:20,235 --> 01:35:23,055
the next realm of AI is gonna be

2679
01:35:23,595 --> 01:35:25,614
essentially driven by quantum computing.

2680
01:35:26,954 --> 01:35:27,454
Microsoft

2681
01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:30,039
just announced their first commercial

2682
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:32,899
quantum chip, if you haven't seen it. Mhmm.

2683
01:35:32,899 --> 01:35:35,939
There are new breakthroughs with Google and NASA

2684
01:35:35,939 --> 01:35:36,760
in AI.

2685
01:35:37,219 --> 01:35:39,539
They've been working on this in two two

2686
01:35:39,539 --> 01:35:41,539
plus decades. And as far as he talks

2687
01:35:41,539 --> 01:35:42,039
posthuman,

2688
01:35:42,994 --> 01:35:44,595
I think one of the next pushes in

2689
01:35:44,595 --> 01:35:46,055
the, quote, unquote, transhumanist

2690
01:35:46,435 --> 01:35:46,935
movement

2691
01:35:47,314 --> 01:35:48,534
is to integrate

2692
01:35:49,074 --> 01:35:50,055
human biological,

2693
01:35:50,835 --> 01:35:53,954
tissue into a lot of these operations to

2694
01:35:53,954 --> 01:35:56,454
dehumanize us further via organoids.

2695
01:35:56,909 --> 01:35:59,550
Are you guys familiar with the, organoid movement

2696
01:35:59,550 --> 01:36:00,289
right now?

2697
01:36:01,229 --> 01:36:02,829
I'm not. No. But I'd like to jump

2698
01:36:02,829 --> 01:36:04,189
in back to the first point you made,

2699
01:36:04,189 --> 01:36:05,030
and we can come back to that because

2700
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:06,590
I think it's look. We can end with

2701
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:09,229
this general idea of this overlapping transhumanist kind

2702
01:36:09,229 --> 01:36:10,454
of direction that seems to go in.

2703
01:36:11,175 --> 01:36:11,734
But I think that it's important that these

2704
01:36:11,734 --> 01:36:13,414
two things are together because Ian's point with

2705
01:36:13,414 --> 01:36:15,255
the artificial intelligence, the idea of how it's

2706
01:36:15,255 --> 01:36:16,875
being automated, where it's

2707
01:36:17,175 --> 01:36:18,454
going to a point to where we can

2708
01:36:18,454 --> 01:36:20,135
then like, even as Eric Schmidt said in

2709
01:36:20,135 --> 01:36:22,454
the podcast, like, years ago paraphrasing that one

2710
01:36:22,454 --> 01:36:23,975
point will get to a future where AI

2711
01:36:23,975 --> 01:36:25,655
is making decisions that may seem immoral, but

2712
01:36:25,655 --> 01:36:27,390
it'll know better. That's that is what he

2713
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:28,989
said on a podcast a while back, which

2714
01:36:28,989 --> 01:36:30,989
is horrifying is that we need to establish

2715
01:36:30,989 --> 01:36:32,850
now that these basic fundamental

2716
01:36:35,070 --> 01:36:37,150
sending someone to El Salvador or anywhere else,

2717
01:36:37,150 --> 01:36:39,150
let's be clear, illegal immigrant or American, there's

2718
01:36:39,150 --> 01:36:41,414
no basis in law precedent of any kind.

2719
01:36:41,414 --> 01:36:43,175
That's that's illegal. Now we can have that

2720
01:36:43,175 --> 01:36:45,175
discussion going forward. It seems you agree with

2721
01:36:45,175 --> 01:36:47,175
that, whether that could change, but right now

2722
01:36:47,175 --> 01:36:50,074
that's the reality. But sympathy is not required

2723
01:36:50,215 --> 01:36:52,295
to have somebody to have their constitutional rights

2724
01:36:52,295 --> 01:36:54,454
acknowledged. Right? So an illegal immigrant, let's make

2725
01:36:54,454 --> 01:36:56,699
this clear for those watching, has constitutional rights

2726
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:57,500
most

2727
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,359
most importantly, due process. That's been ruled on

2728
01:37:00,359 --> 01:37:01,960
by the Supreme Court in the countless times,

2729
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,439
Reno versus Flores. Scalia himself said it was

2730
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,520
fair amount that due in in in regard

2731
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:07,020
to

2732
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,975
deportation in particular, due process was fair amount.

2733
01:37:10,135 --> 01:37:11,574
Judge Knapp's been talking about this a lot.

2734
01:37:11,574 --> 01:37:13,335
The reality is you can just ask Rock

2735
01:37:13,335 --> 01:37:15,414
in in generalize, you know, they don't tell

2736
01:37:15,414 --> 01:37:17,095
you that. The point is that it's weird

2737
01:37:17,095 --> 01:37:18,774
we have a conversation today with people out

2738
01:37:18,774 --> 01:37:21,095
there online, not saying anybody here, is arguing

2739
01:37:21,095 --> 01:37:23,175
that immigrants don't have constitutional rights. I find

2740
01:37:23,175 --> 01:37:25,150
that insane because it's simply not true. So

2741
01:37:25,150 --> 01:37:26,909
bringing back to the point about how it's

2742
01:37:26,909 --> 01:37:28,190
being used, this is what I think is

2743
01:37:28,190 --> 01:37:30,350
important, is that they know people have been

2744
01:37:30,350 --> 01:37:32,850
conditioned to be less sympathetic about certain circumstances,

2745
01:37:33,310 --> 01:37:35,070
so they use that to get people to

2746
01:37:35,070 --> 01:37:36,289
accept the

2747
01:37:36,829 --> 01:37:38,694
undermining of their rights rather than lack of

2748
01:37:38,694 --> 01:37:40,375
acknowledgment. And so all that together is super

2749
01:37:40,375 --> 01:37:42,454
important because we're being edged into a position

2750
01:37:42,454 --> 01:37:44,475
where AI is gonna start making those decisions

2751
01:37:44,534 --> 01:37:46,694
based on the precedence that they're making now.

2752
01:37:46,694 --> 01:37:49,015
And I think that's wildly dangerous. Right? So

2753
01:37:49,015 --> 01:37:51,015
I think that that larger conversation needs to

2754
01:37:51,015 --> 01:37:53,510
be had about the manipulation of these things

2755
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:56,069
that are fundamental now for the technocratic society

2756
01:37:56,069 --> 01:37:57,350
that they're building around us as we go

2757
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:59,130
forward. So take that where you'd like.

2758
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:59,989
And that's,

2759
01:38:00,710 --> 01:38:03,029
that's just considering that the AI system works

2760
01:38:03,029 --> 01:38:04,869
as it's supposed to work. And I use

2761
01:38:04,869 --> 01:38:06,945
technology all the time, and it doesn't. You're,

2762
01:38:06,945 --> 01:38:09,225
you know, in in this in this automated

2763
01:38:09,225 --> 01:38:11,465
system, you're a calmer or a typo away

2764
01:38:11,465 --> 01:38:13,465
for being convicted of a crime that you

2765
01:38:13,465 --> 01:38:15,225
didn't commit, that somebody with a name very

2766
01:38:15,225 --> 01:38:16,284
like yours did

2767
01:38:16,744 --> 01:38:18,185
or something like that. And this is something

2768
01:38:18,185 --> 01:38:20,070
nobody is willing to really think about is

2769
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:21,989
that there is there are limits to competence

2770
01:38:21,989 --> 01:38:23,909
and there are limits to capabilities, and that

2771
01:38:23,909 --> 01:38:26,190
itself is a threat. There isn't just a

2772
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:27,449
an like, a malignant,

2773
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:28,570
deliberate,

2774
01:38:28,949 --> 01:38:30,949
proactive threat. There is the threat of a

2775
01:38:30,949 --> 01:38:33,109
system that doesn't recognize the importance of the

2776
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:33,930
human element.

2777
01:38:34,264 --> 01:38:36,024
Yeah. Well, and I'll add one more thing

2778
01:38:36,024 --> 01:38:37,304
to it in general is that, you know,

2779
01:38:37,304 --> 01:38:38,904
see, again, where it's going is that if

2780
01:38:38,904 --> 01:38:41,064
we're at a point where a power structure

2781
01:38:41,064 --> 01:38:43,224
can simply go, you are this thing. Right?

2782
01:38:43,224 --> 01:38:45,304
You are an illegal alien, let's say, and

2783
01:38:45,304 --> 01:38:47,005
be able to remove you without process.

2784
01:38:47,569 --> 01:38:49,090
How can that why couldn't that just happen

2785
01:38:49,090 --> 01:38:50,529
to an American? And you go, oopsie. You

2786
01:38:50,529 --> 01:38:51,970
know, now he's away. Because there was no

2787
01:38:51,970 --> 01:38:53,489
process in which they had to prove that

2788
01:38:53,489 --> 01:38:55,090
was the case. Now these are very basic

2789
01:38:55,090 --> 01:38:56,850
fundamental things that we're losing sight of in

2790
01:38:56,850 --> 01:38:58,550
the world today, and I think it's designed

2791
01:38:58,850 --> 01:39:00,689
to get us okay with that before we

2792
01:39:00,689 --> 01:39:02,905
have this massive shift into something where, you

2793
01:39:02,905 --> 01:39:05,145
know, we're now dealing with machines or algorithms

2794
01:39:05,145 --> 01:39:07,625
or whatever we're talking about as, James discussed,

2795
01:39:07,625 --> 01:39:09,704
algocracy, right, which is where this is going.

2796
01:39:09,704 --> 01:39:11,145
You know? But to to bring it back

2797
01:39:11,145 --> 01:39:12,585
to your larger point, Jason, is that the

2798
01:39:12,585 --> 01:39:15,324
overlap to all of this, this transhumanist technocratic

2799
01:39:15,465 --> 01:39:17,789
future that they're definitely pushing us into, All

2800
01:39:17,789 --> 01:39:20,029
the points on our article showing how this

2801
01:39:20,029 --> 01:39:21,789
is happening under this administration. But to be

2802
01:39:21,789 --> 01:39:23,869
clear, it's not unique to partisanship. It's been

2803
01:39:23,869 --> 01:39:25,550
going on for a very long time. So

2804
01:39:25,550 --> 01:39:27,250
let's end on that. You know? Yes. You

2805
01:39:27,309 --> 01:39:29,170
brought up and and different points around that.

2806
01:39:29,229 --> 01:39:31,149
Yeah. So, you know, I just kinda wanna

2807
01:39:31,149 --> 01:39:31,469
end on

2808
01:39:32,284 --> 01:39:33,885
you know, I talked about I I often

2809
01:39:33,885 --> 01:39:36,064
talk about the other end of transhumanism.

2810
01:39:36,765 --> 01:39:40,125
Right? Like, human beings merging with technology, whether

2811
01:39:40,125 --> 01:39:40,625
that's

2812
01:39:41,005 --> 01:39:42,305
brain computer interfaces

2813
01:39:43,005 --> 01:39:45,164
or other types of tech. They've now kind

2814
01:39:45,164 --> 01:39:48,140
of reverse engineered that. So what organoids

2815
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,939
are is that you take mitochondrial

2816
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:52,300
stem cells,

2817
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,699
and then you grow artificial

2818
01:39:55,159 --> 01:39:56,060
brain tissue

2819
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:57,979
that is then integrated

2820
01:39:58,840 --> 01:39:59,900
into traditional

2821
01:40:00,715 --> 01:40:02,314
electronics. And I know this sounds totally wild,

2822
01:40:02,314 --> 01:40:03,215
but they've already,

2823
01:40:03,914 --> 01:40:06,475
again, been creating these things, for all for

2824
01:40:06,475 --> 01:40:07,994
over half a decade. In fact, you can

2825
01:40:07,994 --> 01:40:08,735
get a kit.

2826
01:40:09,435 --> 01:40:11,595
And I played the, like, I played the

2827
01:40:11,595 --> 01:40:13,595
the stem cell lab kit. Here's how they

2828
01:40:13,595 --> 01:40:14,715
do it. And it's it's a lot of

2829
01:40:14,715 --> 01:40:16,800
CRISPR tech and things like that. Your boys

2830
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,039
like magazine. I'm just kidding. If if listen.

2831
01:40:19,039 --> 01:40:20,960
If you go watch the video, the music,

2832
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:22,960
I am bobbing and weaving. It's very much

2833
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,300
like that. So I I had a conversation

2834
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,864
with, Greg Autry of NASA about this because

2835
01:40:28,864 --> 01:40:31,925
they're also utilizing this technology on the ISS.

2836
01:40:32,704 --> 01:40:35,265
Here's how commercialized it's become. And I had

2837
01:40:35,265 --> 01:40:37,185
no idea about this guy. I'd never heard

2838
01:40:37,185 --> 01:40:38,005
of him before.

2839
01:40:38,385 --> 01:40:39,445
Alvin Lussier.

2840
01:40:40,350 --> 01:40:42,770
This guy was a very experimental

2841
01:40:43,229 --> 01:40:43,729
composer

2842
01:40:44,430 --> 01:40:46,430
where even in 1965

2843
01:40:46,430 --> 01:40:47,649
in a public forum,

2844
01:40:47,949 --> 01:40:49,090
he had electrodes

2845
01:40:49,550 --> 01:40:52,610
put onto his brain. And from his brainwaves,

2846
01:40:53,229 --> 01:40:55,250
he was able to conduct

2847
01:40:55,835 --> 01:40:57,914
a a full kind of like orchestra. You

2848
01:40:57,914 --> 01:40:59,295
know? Is it super impressive?

2849
01:40:59,675 --> 01:41:01,675
Somewhat. I mean, the drums are going. You

2850
01:41:01,675 --> 01:41:03,534
know? It's something to behold.

2851
01:41:04,155 --> 01:41:05,854
He's been dead for four years.

2852
01:41:06,475 --> 01:41:07,774
They did this process

2853
01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:11,229
where they took his stem cells, created the

2854
01:41:11,229 --> 01:41:11,729
organoids,

2855
01:41:12,430 --> 01:41:15,010
and two weeks ago, they had a live

2856
01:41:15,069 --> 01:41:17,229
concert of supposedly and I don't know how

2857
01:41:17,229 --> 01:41:18,609
much hokum this is.

2858
01:41:19,469 --> 01:41:21,869
It's a private video if you wanna actually

2859
01:41:21,869 --> 01:41:23,204
watch it, but you can see the post,

2860
01:41:23,204 --> 01:41:25,225
and there's news articles on it

2861
01:41:26,085 --> 01:41:27,864
where this dead person,

2862
01:41:28,405 --> 01:41:29,625
his, you know,

2863
01:41:29,925 --> 01:41:32,345
mitochondrial stem cell brain tissue

2864
01:41:32,805 --> 01:41:35,145
had its own concert four years posthumous.

2865
01:41:35,925 --> 01:41:36,425
So

2866
01:41:36,970 --> 01:41:39,130
I think they're gonna try to legitimize this

2867
01:41:39,130 --> 01:41:39,630
technology

2868
01:41:40,170 --> 01:41:42,890
with the quantum technology and the other things

2869
01:41:42,890 --> 01:41:43,710
moving forward

2870
01:41:44,010 --> 01:41:46,329
as they try to integrate us into the

2871
01:41:46,329 --> 01:41:48,989
machines. And I think what this does is

2872
01:41:49,130 --> 01:41:49,949
this dehumanizes

2873
01:41:50,489 --> 01:41:51,229
us further,

2874
01:41:51,735 --> 01:41:53,515
and it puts less and less

2875
01:41:53,895 --> 01:41:54,395
emphasis

2876
01:41:54,695 --> 01:41:57,414
on our biological realities. That's all I'll say

2877
01:41:57,414 --> 01:41:59,655
about it. Yeah. I mean, I definitely I

2878
01:41:59,655 --> 01:42:01,255
think we all see different parts of that.

2879
01:42:01,255 --> 01:42:03,175
How soon you know, it tends to be

2880
01:42:03,175 --> 01:42:05,255
that they make it look like something that's

2881
01:42:05,255 --> 01:42:07,220
twenty, forty years away, but it's gonna happen

2882
01:42:07,220 --> 01:42:08,420
in a week. You know? But we have

2883
01:42:08,420 --> 01:42:09,699
to just pay attention to these things. Right?

2884
01:42:09,699 --> 01:42:11,460
Because these are definitely I I would argue,

2885
01:42:11,460 --> 01:42:12,820
I guess, at least in the narrative as

2886
01:42:12,900 --> 01:42:13,960
or the the presentation

2887
01:42:14,260 --> 01:42:15,460
is that that's a little bit more on

2888
01:42:15,460 --> 01:42:17,460
the fringe of the conversation, but that usually

2889
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:18,820
in my mind means there's more of that

2890
01:42:18,820 --> 01:42:20,654
happening than anything else. You know? It's just

2891
01:42:20,734 --> 01:42:22,494
pay attention to how alarming these things are

2892
01:42:22,494 --> 01:42:23,774
and how much is tied in with these

2893
01:42:23,774 --> 01:42:25,934
central players in the background, in the different

2894
01:42:25,934 --> 01:42:27,854
studies. Like, even going back to people like,

2895
01:42:27,854 --> 01:42:30,175
you know, Charles Lieber, Bob Langer, and the

2896
01:42:30,175 --> 01:42:31,934
COVID time frame. You know? These the stuff

2897
01:42:31,934 --> 01:42:33,614
they've been working on, like Jason's talking about,

2898
01:42:33,614 --> 01:42:35,295
goes back a long way. And it does

2899
01:42:35,295 --> 01:42:36,920
dovetail with things like nanotechnology

2900
01:42:37,300 --> 01:42:39,539
and optogenetics and you know? And I actually

2901
01:42:39,539 --> 01:42:41,140
think we're well beyond that today. That that's

2902
01:42:41,140 --> 01:42:43,060
what we're seeing, like, ten, fifteen years ago.

2903
01:42:43,060 --> 01:42:44,979
So, yeah, definitely worth conversation. Do you guys

2904
01:42:44,979 --> 01:42:45,939
have anything you wanna

2905
01:42:47,460 --> 01:42:49,000
Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think the,

2906
01:42:49,859 --> 01:42:51,975
you know, when you got someone like Thiel,

2907
01:42:51,975 --> 01:42:52,375
who's,

2908
01:42:52,775 --> 01:42:55,015
you know, very close to this notion of

2909
01:42:55,015 --> 01:42:57,574
the dark enlightenment and and very close to

2910
01:42:57,574 --> 01:42:58,074
Yarvin,

2911
01:42:58,695 --> 01:43:00,954
it's tempting to think that our futures

2912
01:43:01,255 --> 01:43:03,335
that they may have in mind where we

2913
01:43:03,335 --> 01:43:06,289
meld with technology will be somehow beneficial for

2914
01:43:06,510 --> 01:43:08,590
us. I mean, on its face, they would

2915
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:10,590
argue that we need to do this this

2916
01:43:10,590 --> 01:43:13,489
neo reactionary movement is very much part of,

2917
01:43:13,550 --> 01:43:15,390
would argue that we need to do this

2918
01:43:15,390 --> 01:43:16,829
in order to be able to cope with

2919
01:43:16,829 --> 01:43:18,930
the singularity that they say is inevitable.

2920
01:43:19,935 --> 01:43:22,014
But when you look at look more deeply

2921
01:43:22,014 --> 01:43:24,335
into it, where they the the, you know,

2922
01:43:24,335 --> 01:43:25,935
one of the kind of foremost thinkers in

2923
01:43:25,935 --> 01:43:28,335
that neo reactionary movement, a guy called Nick

2924
01:43:28,335 --> 01:43:31,074
Land, calls us techno plastic beings.

2925
01:43:31,470 --> 01:43:33,229
And the reason that he wants us to

2926
01:43:33,229 --> 01:43:35,470
become techno plastic beings is so that we

2927
01:43:35,470 --> 01:43:37,409
can pay our sovereign rent.

2928
01:43:37,949 --> 01:43:39,710
Because in the in the post in the

2929
01:43:39,710 --> 01:43:40,210
post

2930
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:43,310
in the post singularity world that they that

2931
01:43:43,310 --> 01:43:45,710
they warn against but are hell bent on

2932
01:43:45,710 --> 01:43:46,689
on creating,

2933
01:43:47,524 --> 01:43:49,765
That, you know, one of the problems they'll

2934
01:43:49,765 --> 01:43:52,005
have in the with new kinds of, of

2935
01:43:52,005 --> 01:43:54,505
industry and new kind in an AI controlled

2936
01:43:54,564 --> 01:43:55,064
system,

2937
01:43:55,524 --> 01:43:58,005
you know, with perhaps more limited employment, is

2938
01:43:58,005 --> 01:44:00,104
how do how do we how are we,

2939
01:44:00,510 --> 01:44:02,909
the people who they who Nick Lan calls

2940
01:44:02,909 --> 01:44:03,409
inarticulate

2941
01:44:03,949 --> 01:44:04,449
pros,

2942
01:44:05,069 --> 01:44:07,569
teal calls us the unthinking demos.

2943
01:44:08,270 --> 01:44:10,609
How are how are we gonna be useful?

2944
01:44:11,229 --> 01:44:12,689
So we merge

2945
01:44:13,335 --> 01:44:15,414
into into this system that they've got in

2946
01:44:15,414 --> 01:44:17,515
mind, basically, as kind of like subroutines

2947
01:44:17,895 --> 01:44:20,215
in the overall program that will be running

2948
01:44:20,215 --> 01:44:21,755
their their technocracy.

2949
01:44:23,015 --> 01:44:25,815
So what they I think it's important to

2950
01:44:25,815 --> 01:44:27,755
stress that the people that are

2951
01:44:28,350 --> 01:44:30,270
pushing this, we we might call them the

2952
01:44:30,270 --> 01:44:32,510
neo reactionaries or the technocrats or whatever you

2953
01:44:32,510 --> 01:44:33,409
wanna call them,

2954
01:44:34,429 --> 01:44:35,729
they despise humanity.

2955
01:44:36,109 --> 01:44:38,529
They they they do they are of the

2956
01:44:38,989 --> 01:44:39,489
traditional

2957
01:44:39,949 --> 01:44:40,449
eugenicist,

2958
01:44:41,069 --> 01:44:42,130
useless eater

2959
01:44:43,069 --> 01:44:43,569
persuasion.

2960
01:44:44,164 --> 01:44:46,744
These are that's that's where that's how they

2961
01:44:47,204 --> 01:44:47,704
envisage

2962
01:44:48,404 --> 01:44:50,244
where we will be in the future. And

2963
01:44:50,244 --> 01:44:51,925
I think going back to something you said,

2964
01:44:51,925 --> 01:44:53,685
Ryan, about this kind of notion of bait

2965
01:44:53,685 --> 01:44:55,524
and switch. So let's take the issue of

2966
01:44:55,524 --> 01:44:56,585
digital ID.

2967
01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:59,640
I I think a big part of the

2968
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:01,260
of the Trump administration's

2969
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:02,460
success

2970
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,100
has has been because,

2971
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:08,359
in in terms of election success and in

2972
01:45:08,359 --> 01:45:10,939
terms of the popular support that he's enjoyed,

2973
01:45:12,034 --> 01:45:14,594
is because people thought that, you know, he

2974
01:45:14,594 --> 01:45:17,154
represented something you could call it techno populist

2975
01:45:17,154 --> 01:45:19,574
where they're they're standing up to the global

2976
01:45:19,795 --> 01:45:22,534
overreach of things like the WEF and,

2977
01:45:22,994 --> 01:45:24,914
you know, the UN and these kind of

2978
01:45:24,914 --> 01:45:27,094
organizations which Americans are

2979
01:45:27,689 --> 01:45:30,090
fed up of being under the under the

2980
01:45:30,090 --> 01:45:32,170
kind of rule of groups like the World

2981
01:45:32,170 --> 01:45:34,329
Health Organization and so forth. And so he

2982
01:45:34,329 --> 01:45:36,890
makes all these bold statements and pulls the

2983
01:45:37,050 --> 01:45:39,149
pulls The US out of organizations

2984
01:45:39,529 --> 01:45:41,130
like that and out of the Paris accords

2985
01:45:41,130 --> 01:45:42,765
and all this kind of thing to much

2986
01:45:43,005 --> 01:45:44,945
much fanfare and everybody agrees.

2987
01:45:45,725 --> 01:45:47,645
But the problem is if you're if you're

2988
01:45:47,645 --> 01:45:50,845
a globalist that wants to sell digital ID

2989
01:45:50,845 --> 01:45:51,664
to a population,

2990
01:45:52,445 --> 01:45:54,810
it's pretty easy if you, you know let's

2991
01:45:54,810 --> 01:45:56,329
say that the what we if we use

2992
01:45:56,329 --> 01:45:58,970
the traditional kind of political kind of spectrum

2993
01:45:58,970 --> 01:46:01,149
that we're given left and right,

2994
01:46:01,449 --> 01:46:04,170
let's say that you've already convinced the left

2995
01:46:04,170 --> 01:46:06,250
that they need to adopt digital ID in

2996
01:46:06,250 --> 01:46:07,630
order to stay safe.

2997
01:46:08,145 --> 01:46:10,145
They need to adopt digital ID so that

2998
01:46:10,145 --> 01:46:12,164
their carbon footprints can be tracked.

2999
01:46:12,545 --> 01:46:14,545
They need to adopt digital ID so that

3000
01:46:14,545 --> 01:46:16,064
they don't, you know, they don't die of

3001
01:46:16,064 --> 01:46:18,005
a disease if they cross a border.

3002
01:46:18,385 --> 01:46:20,885
This is this is this this the cell

3003
01:46:21,104 --> 01:46:22,484
has already been relatively

3004
01:46:22,784 --> 01:46:23,284
successful

3005
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,380
for the traditional left that I would argue.

3006
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,939
How do you get the liberty minded,

3007
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:30,619
small c conservative,

3008
01:46:31,239 --> 01:46:33,640
traditional right on board with that? Well, you

3009
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,960
just sell them the same product, but instead

3010
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,140
of saying that it's for protecting the planet,

3011
01:46:38,345 --> 01:46:40,524
you say it's to fight illegal immigration.

3012
01:46:41,064 --> 01:46:43,005
Right. It's the it's the same product.

3013
01:46:43,545 --> 01:46:46,204
It's just it's just a different sales pitch.

3014
01:46:46,664 --> 01:46:49,385
So that's that's really what the what what

3015
01:46:49,385 --> 01:46:51,550
I you know, how I see what's happening

3016
01:46:51,550 --> 01:46:53,630
is happening. It's you know, the the notion

3017
01:46:53,630 --> 01:46:54,929
of the freedom city.

3018
01:46:55,229 --> 01:46:57,149
There's no difference between the notion of a

3019
01:46:57,149 --> 01:46:59,409
freedom city and a fifteen minute city.

3020
01:46:59,949 --> 01:47:01,649
One comes from the globalist

3021
01:47:02,109 --> 01:47:04,965
so called, quote, unquote, globalist elite, and one

3022
01:47:04,965 --> 01:47:07,465
comes from the new neo reactionary

3023
01:47:07,844 --> 01:47:08,344
elite.

3024
01:47:08,804 --> 01:47:11,704
But it's the same thing. A 15 city,

3025
01:47:11,764 --> 01:47:13,784
a free city are the same thing.

3026
01:47:14,244 --> 01:47:17,225
So, you know, it's it's it's people people

3027
01:47:17,364 --> 01:47:18,664
get on board because

3028
01:47:19,279 --> 01:47:22,239
they they're behind the person that is selling

3029
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:23,219
them the idea.

3030
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,239
Not not that the idea is fundamentally any

3031
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:27,300
different. It isn't.

3032
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:29,439
This is why I tend to think the

3033
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,199
in least in this country, but really anywhere

3034
01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:33,114
in the world, the false binary, which doesn't

3035
01:47:33,114 --> 01:47:34,554
always have to be too despite the name.

3036
01:47:34,554 --> 01:47:36,234
Like, you know, the idea of that concept

3037
01:47:36,234 --> 01:47:37,935
clearly is the biggest

3038
01:47:38,795 --> 01:47:41,274
block to any real change, like, especially in

3039
01:47:41,274 --> 01:47:43,034
The United States speaking as American. Like, it

3040
01:47:43,034 --> 01:47:45,194
is so obviously like you're talking about. There

3041
01:47:45,194 --> 01:47:46,979
are people that would otherwise be pushing back,

3042
01:47:47,060 --> 01:47:48,260
and then they flip the script and they

3043
01:47:48,260 --> 01:47:49,300
do it a little different way. And then,

3044
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:50,739
you know, and and it continues to oscillate

3045
01:47:50,739 --> 01:47:52,260
like that. And right now with this administration,

3046
01:47:52,260 --> 01:47:53,699
which I see is no different than the

3047
01:47:53,699 --> 01:47:55,939
previous, just the continuation a different way for

3048
01:47:55,939 --> 01:47:57,939
a new flavor, is doing all that through

3049
01:47:58,020 --> 01:48:00,104
it with all these different agendas, whether it's

3050
01:48:00,265 --> 01:48:02,185
bringing down the failed thing we all start

3051
01:48:02,185 --> 01:48:03,784
to see to, you know, make it look

3052
01:48:03,784 --> 01:48:05,465
as if change is happening to really just

3053
01:48:05,465 --> 01:48:06,845
replace it with something worse

3054
01:48:07,225 --> 01:48:09,385
or the, you know, repackaging of the same

3055
01:48:09,385 --> 01:48:11,625
problem with a different cell. It's literally everywhere.

3056
01:48:11,625 --> 01:48:13,390
And that's why it's so important for people

3057
01:48:13,390 --> 01:48:15,470
to look beyond, you know, not their ideals

3058
01:48:15,470 --> 01:48:16,989
and and values that they may see as

3059
01:48:16,989 --> 01:48:19,729
conservative or liberal, but, like, the larger politicized

3060
01:48:19,869 --> 01:48:21,949
team sport politics of it all because it's

3061
01:48:21,949 --> 01:48:23,310
it's it is you know, you think about

3062
01:48:23,310 --> 01:48:25,149
the woke mind virus, it's a partisan mind

3063
01:48:25,149 --> 01:48:27,470
virus. It's literally in our face everywhere. That's

3064
01:48:27,470 --> 01:48:29,444
my opinion, speaking for myself. But, you know,

3065
01:48:29,444 --> 01:48:31,125
I think that's that's a very good point

3066
01:48:31,125 --> 01:48:32,804
to kind of wrap on in general. But

3067
01:48:32,804 --> 01:48:34,164
I and and you guys, any other points

3068
01:48:34,164 --> 01:48:35,284
you guys wanna include on that? I was

3069
01:48:35,284 --> 01:48:36,564
just gonna rattle off some things on the

3070
01:48:36,564 --> 01:48:38,024
article before we wrap up today.

3071
01:48:39,524 --> 01:48:41,045
And we're gonna let no need to shout

3072
01:48:41,045 --> 01:48:42,804
out? Nothing else, guys? Alright. Well, I'm just

3073
01:48:42,804 --> 01:48:45,340
generally point out, you know, make sure what's

3074
01:48:45,340 --> 01:48:46,939
funny is we started, like, the the point

3075
01:48:46,939 --> 01:48:48,140
was and I don't I I don't know

3076
01:48:48,140 --> 01:48:49,739
why I didn't immediately recognize this would not

3077
01:48:49,739 --> 01:48:50,939
happen for how much we have to talk

3078
01:48:50,939 --> 01:48:52,380
about, but to go through each one of

3079
01:48:52,380 --> 01:48:55,100
these data points and discuss the issues and

3080
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:56,779
also the solutions around them. But, you know,

3081
01:48:56,779 --> 01:48:58,460
we got to the, the digital money part

3082
01:48:58,460 --> 01:49:00,545
of it. There's plenty more as you noticed

3083
01:49:00,604 --> 01:49:01,744
in in part.

3084
01:49:02,925 --> 01:49:05,805
The war on cash, digital monetary system, financial

3085
01:49:05,805 --> 01:49:08,525
disclosure, the Doge overlap, the failure so far

3086
01:49:08,525 --> 01:49:10,525
of the different things that haven't happened, Real

3087
01:49:10,525 --> 01:49:11,824
ID, Stargate.

3088
01:49:12,489 --> 01:49:13,689
And then, of course, she got into the

3089
01:49:13,689 --> 01:49:15,289
Internet bodies. We briefly touched on it. But

3090
01:49:15,289 --> 01:49:16,810
the assets part, which we didn't get to,

3091
01:49:16,810 --> 01:49:19,289
which I ref I looked at Katharine's work.

3092
01:49:19,289 --> 01:49:21,210
It's really important to understand how this, you

3093
01:49:21,210 --> 01:49:22,489
know, the Lutnick part of this and the

3094
01:49:22,489 --> 01:49:24,010
financial side of it is playing out in

3095
01:49:24,010 --> 01:49:24,885
regard to the,

3096
01:49:25,844 --> 01:49:27,864
the tariff overlap as well as she highlights

3097
01:49:27,925 --> 01:49:29,684
and they'll kind of lie around it. Also,

3098
01:49:29,684 --> 01:49:30,184
the,

3099
01:49:30,965 --> 01:49:33,925
energy discussion, as she points drill drill, baby

3100
01:49:33,925 --> 01:49:36,324
energy policy from Trump, but also the budget

3101
01:49:36,324 --> 01:49:37,364
in general, which is what I was just

3102
01:49:37,364 --> 01:49:39,284
saying about the tariff overlap and how it

3103
01:49:39,284 --> 01:49:41,610
seems to be offset by other actions that

3104
01:49:41,610 --> 01:49:43,210
are being taken. And, you know, hey. Maybe

3105
01:49:43,210 --> 01:49:44,970
it'll end up positive, but to wonder whether

3106
01:49:44,970 --> 01:49:46,409
that was always kind of the plan is

3107
01:49:46,409 --> 01:49:48,170
the point. But then she also has others

3108
01:49:48,170 --> 01:49:50,489
at the bottom, election fraud, organized crime, weather

3109
01:49:50,489 --> 01:49:53,235
warfare, geoengineering, as we were referencing before. A

3110
01:49:53,235 --> 01:49:54,994
well written article. And I would argue she

3111
01:49:54,994 --> 01:49:56,914
herself would point out that this itself doesn't

3112
01:49:56,914 --> 01:49:59,155
even truly address the the real scope of

3113
01:49:59,155 --> 01:50:00,835
this problem. There's many other points we could

3114
01:50:00,835 --> 01:50:02,994
include. But thank you all for for joining

3115
01:50:02,994 --> 01:50:04,835
today and, you know, any anything else you

3116
01:50:04,835 --> 01:50:06,195
wanna leave on the way out in general?

3117
01:50:06,195 --> 01:50:07,949
I just I think it's in, you know,

3118
01:50:08,030 --> 01:50:09,090
a good time to

3119
01:50:09,710 --> 01:50:11,570
discuss these things. Thank you for being here.

3120
01:50:11,630 --> 01:50:13,150
I'd also just say she did throw in

3121
01:50:13,150 --> 01:50:15,229
the Epstein files and, I think a good

3122
01:50:15,229 --> 01:50:17,970
assessment there. You know, there's a whole another

3123
01:50:18,030 --> 01:50:20,590
ball of corruption that I mean, people should

3124
01:50:20,590 --> 01:50:22,750
be being prosecuted for the evidence that they're

3125
01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:25,235
going through. And since we're not seeing that

3126
01:50:25,314 --> 01:50:27,015
look. I don't think we're gonna see those

3127
01:50:27,234 --> 01:50:29,795
files in full because if we did, obviously,

3128
01:50:29,795 --> 01:50:31,895
it would have to be preceded by

3129
01:50:32,274 --> 01:50:33,175
real indictments,

3130
01:50:33,795 --> 01:50:36,135
real criminal trials, and then prosecutions

3131
01:50:36,675 --> 01:50:38,914
for that evidence to come into the public

3132
01:50:38,914 --> 01:50:40,814
arena. So So I would just encourage people

3133
01:50:40,814 --> 01:50:42,952
to read this, but realize, like you said,

3134
01:50:42,952 --> 01:50:44,851
no matter how extensive it is, I mean,

3135
01:50:44,851 --> 01:50:46,751
we just talked for two hours on a

3136
01:50:46,751 --> 01:50:48,650
lot of points that were not even included

3137
01:50:48,650 --> 01:50:50,550
in this, and we could've gone on for

3138
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:53,215
a much longer period of time. Yeah. I

3139
01:50:53,335 --> 01:50:55,494
I'd just like to reiterate what Catherine said

3140
01:50:55,494 --> 01:50:57,354
as well during our conversation earlier,

3141
01:50:57,655 --> 01:50:59,414
and that is that it's not an an

3142
01:50:59,414 --> 01:51:02,135
all or nothing situation that we find ourselves

3143
01:51:02,135 --> 01:51:02,635
in.

3144
01:51:03,015 --> 01:51:05,655
We can make decisions every day in our

3145
01:51:05,655 --> 01:51:08,719
lives that move us to towards the destination

3146
01:51:08,779 --> 01:51:10,079
that we wanna go in.

3147
01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:13,199
That may mean accepting some inconvenience,

3148
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:14,559
and it may mean,

3149
01:51:15,420 --> 01:51:17,099
you know, not being able to do things

3150
01:51:17,099 --> 01:51:19,099
like go to a sports event or something

3151
01:51:19,099 --> 01:51:21,054
like that. You know? It it it might

3152
01:51:21,054 --> 01:51:23,375
mean those kind of sacrifices, but you but

3153
01:51:23,375 --> 01:51:24,034
it all

3154
01:51:24,574 --> 01:51:25,474
amounts to

3155
01:51:26,094 --> 01:51:28,335
what matters to you. What do you think

3156
01:51:28,335 --> 01:51:30,354
is really, really important?

3157
01:51:30,974 --> 01:51:33,635
And if you think that sacrificing your freedom

3158
01:51:34,414 --> 01:51:35,554
is not important,

3159
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,159
then fine. You know, that's that that's that's

3160
01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:40,840
a a choice that you make, but then

3161
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:42,439
you have to live with the consequences of

3162
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,280
that. And I and I think that, you

3163
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:46,600
know, it's gonna be very difficult or something

3164
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:47,739
Steve was saying.

3165
01:51:49,614 --> 01:51:52,014
Billions of people are not suddenly going to

3166
01:51:52,014 --> 01:51:54,975
start, you know, not not using not using

3167
01:51:54,975 --> 01:51:57,215
their cards and not using the you know,

3168
01:51:57,215 --> 01:51:59,314
and and not using all the modern conveniences

3169
01:51:59,454 --> 01:52:02,014
that they've become accustomed to. That's not that's

3170
01:52:02,014 --> 01:52:03,074
not gonna happen.

3171
01:52:03,449 --> 01:52:05,710
But I think if pockets of communities

3172
01:52:06,810 --> 01:52:09,949
start building and and, funnily enough, we can

3173
01:52:10,090 --> 01:52:12,170
piggyback on something that has been just called

3174
01:52:12,170 --> 01:52:13,550
the network state

3175
01:52:13,850 --> 01:52:15,770
because there are there are aspects of the

3176
01:52:15,770 --> 01:52:17,914
network state that was written by Balaji,

3177
01:52:18,375 --> 01:52:18,875
Srinivasan

3178
01:52:19,814 --> 01:52:22,935
that that, that that that there might be

3179
01:52:22,935 --> 01:52:26,375
something to that. So creating creating pockets of

3180
01:52:26,375 --> 01:52:29,895
communities that commute that that communicate with each

3181
01:52:29,895 --> 01:52:32,590
others like nodes on a network, but the

3182
01:52:32,590 --> 01:52:34,930
exchange goods and services and trade

3183
01:52:35,630 --> 01:52:36,130
necessarily

3184
01:52:36,829 --> 01:52:38,210
outside of the system.

3185
01:52:38,750 --> 01:52:41,729
That kind of thing could start could start

3186
01:52:42,350 --> 01:52:44,430
building some sort of resistance to what is

3187
01:52:44,430 --> 01:52:46,675
happening. But more importantly than that, for the

3188
01:52:46,675 --> 01:52:48,675
people that are involved in that kind of

3189
01:52:48,675 --> 01:52:49,175
thing,

3190
01:52:50,515 --> 01:52:53,554
personally, you're you're already making a stand against

3191
01:52:53,554 --> 01:52:56,375
the against the kind of encroaching tyranny.

3192
01:52:56,835 --> 01:53:00,010
So so it's not all or nothing. We

3193
01:53:00,010 --> 01:53:01,689
still have to use our cards if we

3194
01:53:01,689 --> 01:53:03,070
buy something from Amazon,

3195
01:53:03,449 --> 01:53:05,150
but we can use cash

3196
01:53:05,850 --> 01:53:07,310
You've said buy from Amazon?

3197
01:53:10,650 --> 01:53:11,949
Just before that. No.

3198
01:53:12,570 --> 01:53:13,630
Yeah. Yeah.

3199
01:53:14,675 --> 01:53:16,595
Yeah. But, you know, so so we can't

3200
01:53:16,675 --> 01:53:17,574
so we can

3201
01:53:18,195 --> 01:53:21,235
we can make a difference by focusing on

3202
01:53:21,235 --> 01:53:22,454
what we do every day.

3203
01:53:23,235 --> 01:53:23,975
Here. Here.

3204
01:53:24,275 --> 01:53:24,755
Yep.

3205
01:53:25,715 --> 01:53:27,875
I would also like to add to really

3206
01:53:27,875 --> 01:53:29,810
just bring something back that Catherine did say

3207
01:53:29,810 --> 01:53:30,869
just before she left.

3208
01:53:31,489 --> 01:53:33,670
She says she doesn't think it's possible

3209
01:53:34,210 --> 01:53:35,810
that they can do what they want to

3210
01:53:35,810 --> 01:53:37,170
do. And I would tend to agree, and

3211
01:53:37,170 --> 01:53:39,250
I think this it might be it might

3212
01:53:39,250 --> 01:53:41,409
seem sort of passive compared to other solutions,

3213
01:53:41,409 --> 01:53:43,435
but I genuinely think as much as I

3214
01:53:43,435 --> 01:53:45,454
pointed out incompetence as a threat.

3215
01:53:46,074 --> 01:53:48,015
Incompetence is also a source for optimism.

3216
01:53:48,395 --> 01:53:51,215
I simply don't think they have the ability

3217
01:53:51,274 --> 01:53:51,854
to do

3218
01:53:52,395 --> 01:53:53,994
the system they want to implement on a

3219
01:53:53,994 --> 01:53:56,734
full wide scale and have it be foolproof.

3220
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:58,789
I'm a big believer in the war of

3221
01:53:58,789 --> 01:54:00,729
the world's defense, which is essentially

3222
01:54:02,630 --> 01:54:04,789
this they will be rejected. Like, in

3223
01:54:05,590 --> 01:54:07,349
spoiler alert, war of the worlds. But in

3224
01:54:07,349 --> 01:54:09,429
the end, the aliens are killed by bacteria

3225
01:54:09,429 --> 01:54:11,029
from this planet, not by us. They just

3226
01:54:11,029 --> 01:54:13,055
can't live here. And I don't

3227
01:54:13,595 --> 01:54:16,095
believe that this system can exist.

3228
01:54:17,034 --> 01:54:19,215
I don't think it can be there and

3229
01:54:20,074 --> 01:54:21,994
not have people simply slip through the cracks

3230
01:54:21,994 --> 01:54:23,055
and be left alone.

3231
01:54:23,914 --> 01:54:25,710
Yeah. And I I really do I mean,

3232
01:54:25,710 --> 01:54:27,390
I see it all the time. People will

3233
01:54:27,390 --> 01:54:28,930
simply go on without it.

3234
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:32,109
I certainly hope you're right. And I I

3235
01:54:32,109 --> 01:54:33,710
do think it's worth, you know, at least

3236
01:54:33,710 --> 01:54:35,470
leaning into in hopes that that's the reality.

3237
01:54:35,470 --> 01:54:37,395
But, you know, I think the the problem

3238
01:54:37,395 --> 01:54:39,474
is whether they're trying to change the reality

3239
01:54:39,474 --> 01:54:41,474
of our world, our existence in order to

3240
01:54:41,474 --> 01:54:43,234
make that be able to be possible. You

3241
01:54:43,234 --> 01:54:44,514
know what I mean? Like, we're watching a

3242
01:54:44,514 --> 01:54:46,594
transformation of the human species if there are

3243
01:54:46,594 --> 01:54:48,114
at least the attempts they're in in the

3244
01:54:48,114 --> 01:54:50,034
long term plan. So I think the whole

3245
01:54:50,034 --> 01:54:52,380
point is that in every possible way that

3246
01:54:52,380 --> 01:54:54,699
we can, if you recognize this problem, it

3247
01:54:54,699 --> 01:54:56,699
behooves us to try to make a difference

3248
01:54:56,699 --> 01:54:58,220
in our lives. If it's the smallest things,

3249
01:54:58,220 --> 01:55:00,140
whether it's voting with your dollar or speaking

3250
01:55:00,140 --> 01:55:01,979
out about this, starting your own show, or

3251
01:55:01,979 --> 01:55:03,659
completely pulling out of society, you know, all

3252
01:55:03,659 --> 01:55:05,180
these things are things out there to consider

3253
01:55:05,180 --> 01:55:07,354
or just, you know, talking about these things.

3254
01:55:07,354 --> 01:55:09,195
I will I will and and and the

3255
01:55:09,195 --> 01:55:10,015
point I

3256
01:55:10,315 --> 01:55:12,074
know the Catherine point of Steve again, you

3257
01:55:12,074 --> 01:55:13,435
know, it's interesting is that I it's easy

3258
01:55:13,435 --> 01:55:14,875
to fall into the idea, the belief, and

3259
01:55:14,875 --> 01:55:16,475
maybe it's right that no one's gonna do

3260
01:55:16,475 --> 01:55:17,914
that. You know, people are lazy. They don't

3261
01:55:17,914 --> 01:55:19,114
wanna do it because we know that's a

3262
01:55:19,114 --> 01:55:21,135
a part a large portion of this conversation.

3263
01:55:21,289 --> 01:55:22,810
But I do always lean in even if

3264
01:55:22,810 --> 01:55:24,329
it's just wishful thinking, and I do think

3265
01:55:24,329 --> 01:55:25,529
I see it the writing on the wall

3266
01:55:25,529 --> 01:55:27,689
everywhere. I think we all do. But at

3267
01:55:27,689 --> 01:55:30,329
least a growing number rapidly growing number of

3268
01:55:30,329 --> 01:55:31,869
people are beginning to question

3269
01:55:32,250 --> 01:55:33,390
gen like, basic

3270
01:55:33,885 --> 01:55:35,885
fundamental things of the control structure. And I

3271
01:55:35,885 --> 01:55:37,484
think, again, that's largely why this is a

3272
01:55:37,484 --> 01:55:39,484
time for them to transition to something new.

3273
01:55:39,484 --> 01:55:41,085
So I think it's worth leaning into that,

3274
01:55:41,085 --> 01:55:42,765
and you give I I think we should

3275
01:55:42,765 --> 01:55:44,284
give humanity the benefit of the doubt in

3276
01:55:44,284 --> 01:55:46,045
a lot of ways historically, but I think

3277
01:55:46,045 --> 01:55:47,484
people are better than we give them credit

3278
01:55:47,484 --> 01:55:49,270
for. And I think that the system knows

3279
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:51,030
that, which is why it's always presenting itself

3280
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:53,030
as good and altruistic and fighting for freedom

3281
01:55:53,030 --> 01:55:54,869
and liberty when they don't have to. Right?

3282
01:55:54,869 --> 01:55:56,149
If they believe that we were all bad,

3283
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:57,110
then why would they want you know, I

3284
01:55:57,110 --> 01:55:58,390
think there's a there's a it's a it's

3285
01:55:58,470 --> 01:56:00,470
it shows the the game. But I'll I'll

3286
01:56:00,470 --> 01:56:01,814
end with in general about the

3287
01:56:03,814 --> 01:56:03,870
the where we are now, you know, that

3288
01:56:03,870 --> 01:56:04,935
I think what keeps happening is the partisan

3289
01:56:04,935 --> 01:56:07,255
game flip flops. And and one side points

3290
01:56:07,255 --> 01:56:08,454
to the other, one side points to the

3291
01:56:08,454 --> 01:56:10,694
other, and calls for accountability for never wanting

3292
01:56:10,694 --> 01:56:12,774
the full accountability. So right now, as soon

3293
01:56:12,774 --> 01:56:14,375
as go forward, I think a lot of

3294
01:56:14,375 --> 01:56:15,729
people are like, you know, why is Bill

3295
01:56:15,729 --> 01:56:17,489
Gates or Fauci or anybody else? Or as

3296
01:56:17,489 --> 01:56:19,090
you pointed out, all the different things that

3297
01:56:19,090 --> 01:56:20,930
we know of Epstein or all the they

3298
01:56:20,930 --> 01:56:22,449
were telling all these people are stealing Social

3299
01:56:22,449 --> 01:56:24,530
Security numbers. Why isn't nobody in jail? There's

3300
01:56:24,530 --> 01:56:26,289
so many different points being made about things

3301
01:56:26,289 --> 01:56:27,570
that you claim you can prove, and it's

3302
01:56:27,649 --> 01:56:29,405
this isn't unique to to Trump. This is

3303
01:56:29,405 --> 01:56:31,975
a a partisan thing. The idea that clearly

3304
01:56:31,975 --> 01:56:33,574
there should have been something happening by now.

3305
01:56:33,574 --> 01:56:35,095
There should have been something happening in Biden's

3306
01:56:35,095 --> 01:56:37,034
history, but it doesn't. It it progresses.

3307
01:56:37,494 --> 01:56:39,255
So that doesn't mean you have to completely

3308
01:56:39,255 --> 01:56:41,354
displease yourself or, you know, break all the

3309
01:56:41,494 --> 01:56:43,734
views you have, but just recognize what that

3310
01:56:43,734 --> 01:56:45,414
shows you that ultimately that this is not

3311
01:56:45,414 --> 01:56:46,829
going at least right now in the direction

3312
01:56:46,989 --> 01:56:48,590
that they're always telling you it's going to,

3313
01:56:48,590 --> 01:56:50,369
and at least ask why that may be.

3314
01:56:50,430 --> 01:56:52,270
And then go through Catherine's article, and, hopefully,

3315
01:56:52,270 --> 01:56:53,729
you'll put the dots together.

3316
01:56:54,189 --> 01:56:55,710
But thank you all for tuning in today,

3317
01:56:55,710 --> 01:56:57,149
and I'm I'm looking forward to some more

3318
01:56:57,149 --> 01:56:59,070
IMA panels coming up soon. Scott. We have

3319
01:56:59,070 --> 01:57:00,909
the website still being built from Odysee at

3320
01:57:00,909 --> 01:57:02,274
the moment, and, you know, see, it has

3321
01:57:02,274 --> 01:57:03,475
been delayed a bunch, but there's a lot

3322
01:57:03,475 --> 01:57:05,234
going on there. So, hopefully, that'll be out

3323
01:57:05,234 --> 01:57:07,555
soon. And, from KeyLab side of it, thank

3324
01:57:07,555 --> 01:57:09,875
you all. As always, question everything. Come to

3325
01:57:09,875 --> 01:57:10,694
your own conclusions.

3326
01:57:10,994 --> 01:57:11,814
Stay vigilant.