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doing is it's now starving the population of

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Gaza, preventing all aid from coming in. This

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no medical aid, no food aid, nothing coming

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into the Gaza Strip, collective punishment.

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as they're bombing Gaza, of course. They're running

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a military operation in the Northern West Bank.

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and, of course, they're, inside of Syria now.

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have any evidence. He hasn't committed a crime.

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This is something that is in shrine by

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the constitution and the very being of what

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America is supposed to be. Right? You have

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freedom of speech. They are allowed to voice

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your opinion. Even if everyone hates those opinions,

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you're allowed to say it. But it doesn't

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matter anymore because, again,

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Israel said this guy's Hamas. They can kill

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him and 20 other people next to him.

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killed, you know, women and children next to

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him. They accused him of being Hamas. And

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now in The United States, they accuse you

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of being Hamas. They accuse you of being

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an antisemite,

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and suddenly then they can persecute you. They

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can take you,

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to court and this endlessly.

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facility. And now it's getting even worse because

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we have this case of, like, now Trump

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you know, US citizens in El Salvador. Right.

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I don't know whether that's gonna happen or

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not, but it's scary because who are they

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gonna come after? They're gonna come after political

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Welcome to the last American vagabond. Joining me

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today is Robert Enlakesh to discuss some of

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the updates on foreign policy that, may have

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been lost with all that's going on in

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the world today. And just really kind of

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following up on on what

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has been going on in the larger I

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mean, kind of as I see it, the

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the Greater Israel Project, the ongoing

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execution

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of

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invasion of territory, land grabs, destabilization

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in multiple locations, you know, the ongoing genocide

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as I would call it in in multinational

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genocide. And now right now, what's going on

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in The United States,

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I I see as a very clear constitutional

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crisis, a lot of

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dangerous moves being made by just the government.

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to, you know, cover this more intently, and

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a lot of what's going on in foreign

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policy is at least not getting as much

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coverage. So I wanted Robert to come on

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to update us on, you know, the the

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kind of unfortunate realities of what is going

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on currently in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and everywhere

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else. So, Robert, how are you today? Thanks

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for joining us. Thank you for having me.

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It's great to be back. Yeah, man. It's

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been a minute. It's it's, and I I

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wanna start by just saying that in general

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that, Robert and I were just talking off

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the air, you know, we will get back

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to a point where Robert's gonna be doing

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much more continual work for the last American

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vagabond. But, of course, my opinion, that's exactly

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what the entities out there trying to suppress

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us, attack us, and and sue us frivolously

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wanted was for the content to diminish, but

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we're not gonna stop. So, you know, and

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just let's let's start with this general conversation

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point. And I think this is so this

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is why I my mind, you know, goes

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to greater Israel. I mean, you take it

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wherever you want. But, I mean, it's it's

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so in it's infuriating.

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that might have been saying this, that have

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been kicked back on. But the idea that

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Israel now just as of, actually, I think

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as of yesterday, saying that they will even

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though I'm sure we could have seen these

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statements in their Knesset before this, will remain

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in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria. And I I

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put this out. I just said, you know,

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we tried to tell you. You know? I

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mean, it's it's been right on there. So

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start go wherever you'd like with this. Just,

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you know, my that general direction on where

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Israel is playing this out.

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seeking to expand,

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It's openly doing that now. So, you know,

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people for years,

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called everyone who brought up, the Creator Israel

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Project, a conspiracy theorist, and said, you know,

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this is, like, not based in any, reality.

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there was a crisis,

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in Zionism,

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and a crisis in the Israeli,

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overall ideology and and goal and direction of

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the state.

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October of twenty twenty three when the Gaza

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genocide,

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began.

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that, preceded the genocide.

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that sort of just opened up Pandora's box,

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and the blow that was dealt to the

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Israeli military,

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to the sense of national security,

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of the mission of the state,

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were all put in,

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jeopardy.

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prior, again, going back before October 7,

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to the judicial,

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overhaul push by Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition.

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four years, there were five elections

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that took place.

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The Israelis couldn't put together a coalition,

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government that would,

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be sustainable.

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Netanyahu

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even lost power for about a year briefly

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where Yair Lapid and,

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Naftali Bennett took over from him.

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had to use the settler movement, which he

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had been

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throwing his weight behind,

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since he was first,

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elected,

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prime minister in 1996,

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which was also a very consequential election for

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the Israelis because that's when the political system

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underwent a change, which took away power from

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the big parties and put them into the

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hands of of smaller factions,

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which Netanyahu has successfully played on. We had

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to think of Netanyahu

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and his influence

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over Israeli politics as a man that's been

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on and off,

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for three decades now. So he has shaped

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Israeli society.

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the political system. And then when he grew

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desperate, he used the most extremist hardline settlers,

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who previously their parties like Osma

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Yehudet, who

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by,

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Itamar Ben Gvir, the current security minister,

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was banned in 2019.

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from,

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actually running and and holding a position in,

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the Knesset.

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these are like the,

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the they are crucial to the government. So

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when Netanyahu came in,

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understanding the crisis that had befallen

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his own,

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political career, but also

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the Israeli political system as a whole,

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use these hard line factions and then attempt

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to to change and overhaul the Israeli judicial

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system. Mhmm. And the Israeli opposition, it split

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the society down the middle, basically.

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and those who are on the side of

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maintaining Israel's still Jewish supremacists, it's still an

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apartheid regime, but what they would call a

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liberal western style democracy,

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right, which is

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they were scared that that was going to

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be taken away from them, that the system

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was going to be Judaized,

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that it was going to be made into

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a more theocratic state. Mhmm.

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Because if this judicial overhaul occurred, Netanyahu was

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going to be able to change laws, right,

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and change the way that Israel functions. Israel

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doesn't have constitution.

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basic laws on the British system, and the

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British system drew from a lot of, what

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during the Ottoman period. And so there was

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this crisis of what Israel is, where it's

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the on in the long term, something fundamentally

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had to change.

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the second October seven happened, he started blaming

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his intelligence communities. He blamed the Mossad and

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the Shin Bet. He later apologized because of

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the backlash, but this already caused the schism.

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the course of the war,

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as the war crimes intensified

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and, Israel eventually attacked full scale launched a

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full scale attack and killed 3,000 people in

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Lebanon. Later, we saw them expand into Syria

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gains,

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expanding their borders, which they still haven't declared.

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He was eliminating all this opposition.

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An emergency war cabinet was created at the

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start of the war, and that factored in

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people like, for instance,

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Benny Gantz,

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who's you know, he used to be,

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the defense minister. He's a military guy. Right?

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He he's actually integral to, you know, the

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Israeli system. He's he's somebody important,

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and experienced for them. Also, people like Gadi

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were included in this. Again, as well, somebody

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with that military background, he

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basically forced them out and, dissolved the war

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cabinet.

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he would remove more and more and more.

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This is Netanyahu with his regime. Move more

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remove more and more of his opposition and

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opposing voices.

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Yoav Gallant, his defense minister,

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he, resigned.

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these steps taken like him wanting to remove,

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Ronan Barr, the head of the domestic,

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intelligence services,

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and he's sort of in a battle with

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them at the moment,

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with the combatant elements of of the security

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chief of staff for the Israeli army, the

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he's basically reshaped

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the high command,

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and he removed even,

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the spokesperson.

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I'm forgetting his name now. The the, there

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is a list guy. Mhmm. Daniel Hagari.

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Yeah. Haggari.

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Yeah. His name just skipped me for a

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moment. He was essentially forced to resign. He

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was pressured to resign because he was having

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problems with Netanyahu.

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So he

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goes ahead and he's removing all of these

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people in his way and then surrounding himself

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with loyalists.

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And because he's surrounding himself with these loyalists,

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they'll do basically whatever he wants. This one

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problem is the extremists

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are too crazy for him, and they want

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him to go further and further and further.

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The other issue he has now is because

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his army was not prepared for a long

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sustained campaign on multiple fronts and has now

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been severely weakened because of it. For instance,

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there's a hundred thousand Israeli reservists who are

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refusing to return to duty.

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We've now got this letter that's signed by

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at least 10,000

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Israeli,

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soldiers,

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both active duty, mainly reservists.

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It's calling on him to, do a a

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ceasefire deal because the Israeli society is asking

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for prisoner exchange. That's why they want a

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ceasefire deal, not because they care about Gaza.

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You can give a damn about Gaza according

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to all of the poly data,

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and, you know, just common sense looking at,

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what comes out from their media or internally,

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their discussions that they're having. But this is

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sort of what has happened during the course

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of the war, which has made it more

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extreme with the collapse of Syria, and it

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it enabled the Israelis to go directly into

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Syria. There's really no opposition

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other than some local militia forces who wanna

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defend their villages

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in places like Daraa. But there is no

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real opposition,

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to these aims. And then in Lebanon,

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with the catastrophe that had befallen the country,

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in particular,

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Lebanese Hezbollah with the assassination of its senior

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leadership, the pager attacks and everything,

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Hezbollah was forced to basically,

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sit back, try and recover,

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and not fight a war that would just

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be endless and pointless and drag Lebanon into

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a situation where maybe we have twenty, thirty,

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50 thousand deaths in Lebanon.

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And so now they're they're not going to

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do anything, for instance, Hezbollah, until they have

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a plan,

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that is going to be able to achieve

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specific goals.

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They're not just gonna fight for the sake

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of fighting, and they can't fight for the

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sake of fighting. It it's just a a

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bad idea for them.

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And then in Gaza, of course, Hamas has

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never been capable alone of defeating Israel. It

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just can't. It just doesn't have the military

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capacity to do it. It it can fight

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and it can resist

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like it does. It can, you know, ambush

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Israeli soldiers

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when they come into the populated areas,

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and

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and and attack them, but, you know, with

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very limited weapons, with light weapons that have

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been domestically produced.

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And so the opposition isn't great enough to

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force Israel to stop immediately. So what it's

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doing is it's now starving the population of

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Gaza, preventing all aid from coming in. This

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is where the eighth week of no aid,

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no medical aid, no food aid, nothing coming

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into the Gaza Strip, collective punishment.

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They're now frequently every single day bombing Lebanon

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as they're bombing Gaza, of course. They're running

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a military operation in the Northern West Bank.

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They're still discussing annexation of the West Bank.

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They're ethnically cleansing people from East Jerusalem,

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and, of course, they're, inside of Syria now.

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They've expanded their, territorial domain in,

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inside of Syria. And there's no hope,

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like, the it seems like inside for them

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to want to stop.

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They have to be forced to stop,

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which could happen. There could be developments which

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would force them to stop.

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But at the moment, they're

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rampaging through multiple countries and even threatening

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that they might enter Jordan or Egypt next.

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Right. More likely Egypt. And and, of course,

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the the US government truly wanted to make

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them stop, they could. Right? I mean, then

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this is the reality. So this is why

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the complicity needs to be very it needs

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to be seen that this is The US

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and The UK and other countries that are

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actively a part of this, not just, you

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know, standing by and watching. There this is

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a the complicity is very clear. But so

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to bring that back up, the point again

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is that so they are now saying they're

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going to indefinitely remain in these countries. So,

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I mean, there there's no legality around this

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at all. Like, this is exactly what we

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were talking about from before. This is illegal

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occupation, and this is exactly what gives these

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territories the legal right under international law to

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attack whether or not they're attacked. And yet

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every time they they play this kind of

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cycle of where that's terrorism. So but back

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back to the point about the judicial,

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reform. I thought this was interesting.

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So this is from 02/2018, and I pointed

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this out before about where this is a

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a Canadian Supreme Court justice basically saying that

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if this happens, that they'll they will not

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have an independent judiciary. And what's important to

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me I think is important is that the

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argument

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of why the ICJICC

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kind of

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the the the like, Lindsey Graham in particular,

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plenty others argue they couldn't go after Israel

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is because they had an independent judiciary.

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And what's interesting is this was the claim

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in 02/2018 that should this happen, that then

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that that wouldn't exist anymore. Now I'm as

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I understand it, these have this has already

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largely happened. Right? And it's even in 02/2023,

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hundreds of Israeli reservists were saying they wouldn't

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go to service if they did continue to

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pass this. And even today, the same thing

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is happening to what you're saying, even though

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it's an ongoing crisis. But so where is

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the reality of that, you know, judicial overhaul?

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I know there's multiple aspects of this, and

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I know in many cases, this has already

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happened. Correct?

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There were a number of bills that, were

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being passed and,

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throughout the course of 2023 up until October

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7.

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This was, like, the big thing, for the

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Israelis. Like you noted, there was these massive

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protests. They were weekly protests, sometimes even more

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frequent than that.

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Some of them, you know, garnered

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over a hundred thousand people that would protest

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in the streets in Tel Aviv and look

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down roads.

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Even the top Israeli,

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labor union, the history,

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had got behind an effort for a general

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strike. So this was serious. And like you

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noted with the, there with that article, there,

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there were elements of the reserves,

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who decided, you know, that they were going

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to protest against this and even some people

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active duty in the military. And

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and this got the full backing of, the

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opposition, of course,

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and they passed bills, like, for instance, the

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reasonableness

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clause,

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the reasonableness

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bill, sorry, which was,

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essentially,

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this bill, that they were pushing through,

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and it received a huge amount of backlash,

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was to prevent

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the Israeli Supreme Court, which basically acts, for

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the Israeli political system as, like, you know,

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a moderator. Like, it stops it from going

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too far,

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and it sort of

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it creates, like, a buffer,

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so that the political like, whatever government is

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in in place, right, cannot just push through

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an agenda if it has a majority and

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completely change what Israel looks like. And so

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this prevented

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the Israeli

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Supreme Court from jumping in

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and saying,

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that's extremely unreasonable

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as a law. Right? It doesn't have it's

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not grounded in Israeli law, and so we're

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gonna challenge it. We're gonna block it.

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And, of

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course, this bill would enable a number of

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things. You know, a lot of people, especially

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on the Israeli side, were going well. This

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maybe means that Netanyahu personally can pass through,

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bills now,

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that can benefit himself when it comes to

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his corruption trial. Right. So it it had

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a personal aspect there, and and people were

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very much opposed,

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to Netanyahu because of that.

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What we saw with October 7 is that

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it shifted in terms of the focus. They

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were not focusing on, this judicial overhaul anymore,

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because, of course, like,

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what was in front of them was, more

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urgent than they needed to, needed to address.

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But now, funnily enough,

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with the,

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expulsion and the firing of Ronan Barr, the

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head of the Shin Bet,

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it appears that because the Supreme Court has

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blocked it,

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if Barr does not decide to step down

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by himself, there could be now a situation

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where the Israeli,

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government is dragged into the judicial realm,

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and we have this battle between,

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again, the judiciary

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and,

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the Israeli,

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government.

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And so

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we could find ourselves back in, you know,

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the situation where it looks like this is

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now the conversation of the day, the Supreme

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Court versus Netanyahu, basically.

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I was just gonna say it's very interesting

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to see how many overlaps there are with

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many other, I would argue, authoritarian governments in

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similar ways. Even in the United States government

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with the discussion with the courts and and

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the

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I argue the way that the system's essentially

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meant to work whether or not they're politically

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motivated and, essentially, abusing that to argue they

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should be removed or in El Salvador where

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he removed the justices and put people in

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place or in Honduras where they did the

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same thing before Prospero was put in place.

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Very interesting how many, you know, I see

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it all as kind of the same agenda.

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I just wanted to point that out, the

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overlap of it all. But you mentioned the

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funding or the the settler aspect of that

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to where and you you brought this up

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many times. You've written articles about this for

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TLAB. Very interesting to see that he clearly

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leaned into kind of the most radical elements

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to gain that power with the radical parts

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of their government, which is allow you have

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you you've explained well, which is kind of

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why he has power today. Right? The Ben

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Gavir Smotrich wet settler movement, which you were

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just talking about. So what's interesting to me,

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the overlap to that is

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hopefully, people out there are very aware to

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to, you know, today that Israel had been

542
00:19:50,065 --> 00:19:51,984
funding Hamas to some degree or another, basically,

543
00:19:51,984 --> 00:19:53,825
up until October 7. You can prove this

544
00:19:53,825 --> 00:19:56,144
with different statements funding. You know, the nuance

545
00:19:56,144 --> 00:19:57,825
there is discussed. We, you know, get into

546
00:19:57,825 --> 00:19:59,424
that, but the idea is that clearly this

547
00:19:59,424 --> 00:20:01,609
was not for aid for many reasons. But

548
00:20:01,609 --> 00:20:03,210
the HD part of this oh, good. You

549
00:20:03,210 --> 00:20:04,649
have a comment? Go ahead. I I just

550
00:20:04,649 --> 00:20:05,149
dispute,

551
00:20:06,329 --> 00:20:08,109
the funding that went to,

552
00:20:08,809 --> 00:20:10,669
Hamas directly from Israel.

553
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:14,029
There were a few hundred thousand dollars sent,

554
00:20:15,154 --> 00:20:17,474
back in I think it ended in the

555
00:20:17,474 --> 00:20:18,454
early eighties,

556
00:20:19,154 --> 00:20:21,734
to an organization called Mujama Al Islamiyah.

557
00:20:22,674 --> 00:20:25,474
The Mujama was like the precursor organization to

558
00:20:25,474 --> 00:20:27,900
Hamas. So Hamas had a cut and Muqama

559
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,619
and Islamiyah means the Islamic resistance movement,

560
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,960
was different to the Muqama. The leadership was

561
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:34,940
the same, essentially,

562
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,320
but what happened is they turned into an

563
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,825
armed group. The Muqama was strictly against violence.

564
00:20:41,045 --> 00:20:44,105
It was against armed rebellion against the Israelis.

565
00:20:44,404 --> 00:20:46,265
It pushed its Islamic message,

566
00:20:46,884 --> 00:20:48,105
and was a social,

567
00:20:48,644 --> 00:20:50,805
group, essentially. It it looked at building the

568
00:20:50,805 --> 00:20:51,305
Islamic,

569
00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:53,480
civil society,

570
00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:55,559
sector. It,

571
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:59,000
focused on, you know, building mosques and schools,

572
00:20:59,140 --> 00:20:59,460
and,

573
00:21:00,339 --> 00:21:01,880
it wanted to Islamize

574
00:21:02,339 --> 00:21:04,660
society. That was its goal. And it actually

575
00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:08,095
opposed another group called, Islamic Jihad, Mhmm. The

576
00:21:08,095 --> 00:21:10,595
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which at the time,

577
00:21:11,054 --> 00:21:12,194
in the early eighties,

578
00:21:12,654 --> 00:21:15,294
basically had street clashes with these Mujama activists

579
00:21:15,294 --> 00:21:16,194
because they were,

580
00:21:17,054 --> 00:21:18,974
essentially saying that, you know, we need to

581
00:21:18,974 --> 00:21:20,894
do non violently. We can't attack the Israelis,

582
00:21:20,894 --> 00:21:23,549
whereas Islamic Jihad said, no. It's our our

583
00:21:23,549 --> 00:21:26,450
our mission to defeat Israel and liberate Palestine.

584
00:21:27,389 --> 00:21:29,470
But when Hamas became Hamas and also in

585
00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:31,490
the mid nineteen eighties, the Mujama,

586
00:21:32,829 --> 00:21:35,595
started transporting weapons into the Gaza Strip and

587
00:21:35,755 --> 00:21:37,054
formed what was known as,

588
00:21:37,914 --> 00:21:40,414
which was a security apparatus for Hamas.

589
00:21:40,954 --> 00:21:42,954
When that happened, the leaders of the Mujama,

590
00:21:42,954 --> 00:21:45,375
like Ahmed Yassin and others were arrested,

591
00:21:45,914 --> 00:21:46,974
put in Israeli

592
00:21:47,275 --> 00:21:48,335
detention facilities.

593
00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:49,909
And then

594
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:51,509
in the first intifada

595
00:21:52,129 --> 00:21:53,429
in 1987,

596
00:21:55,409 --> 00:21:57,809
Hamas became a thing. In 1988, it really

597
00:21:57,809 --> 00:21:59,649
started operating and put out its charter. Not

598
00:21:59,649 --> 00:22:01,569
to go through its entire history Mhmm. But

599
00:22:01,569 --> 00:22:04,365
the financing that came through to the Gaza

600
00:22:04,605 --> 00:22:07,244
Strip was not from Israel after that. It

601
00:22:07,244 --> 00:22:09,884
was from Qatar. And so there was this

602
00:22:09,884 --> 00:22:14,224
period where what happened is after 02/2018,

603
00:22:14,444 --> 00:22:16,865
where Hamas prior to that had tried

604
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:18,409
diplomatic initiatives,

605
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:21,029
for instance, with the Palestinian authority to have

606
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:23,109
them take over the Gaza Strip. They even

607
00:22:23,109 --> 00:22:25,450
signed an agreement in 2017 to do that,

608
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:27,909
but it failed because of Israeli and US

609
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:30,230
pressure to make sure that, that wouldn't happen.

610
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:32,409
It wouldn't be unifying of the territories.

611
00:22:33,404 --> 00:22:35,404
And then it backed it threw its way

612
00:22:35,404 --> 00:22:38,365
behind the nonviolent movement, which was created in

613
00:22:38,365 --> 00:22:40,365
Gaza called the Great Return March, which started

614
00:22:40,365 --> 00:22:42,384
on 03/30/2018.

615
00:22:43,005 --> 00:22:45,164
And it stopped fighting Israel during that period,

616
00:22:45,164 --> 00:22:47,404
by the way. Israel was bombing Gaza at

617
00:22:47,404 --> 00:22:49,619
that time. It was killing hundreds of civilians,

618
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,500
but, it you know, shooting innocent people,

619
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,160
injuring tens of thousands. But Hamas stepped back,

620
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,160
and it didn't do anything. But the problem

621
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,660
was

622
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,755
the Palestinian authority, at the end of 02/2018,

623
00:23:01,835 --> 00:23:03,674
decided to stop paying the salaries of people

624
00:23:03,674 --> 00:23:05,994
in the Gaza Strip. And so the salaries

625
00:23:05,994 --> 00:23:07,434
for many of these people who are aligned

626
00:23:07,434 --> 00:23:09,775
with the party, which opposes Hamas,

627
00:23:10,555 --> 00:23:12,795
in Gaza, this was something that was keeping

628
00:23:12,795 --> 00:23:14,815
them afloat, you know, economically.

629
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:17,230
When that was starting to be withdrawn, there

630
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:19,390
was suddenly this crisis. There wasn't as much

631
00:23:19,390 --> 00:23:20,690
money in the Gaza Strip.

632
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:23,390
Salaries weren't being able to be paid. There

633
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:25,650
was more restrictions. In 2017,

634
00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:26,369
the Saudis,

635
00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:28,049
UAE, and others

636
00:23:28,494 --> 00:23:31,694
enforced a blockade on Qatar. And so Qatar

637
00:23:31,694 --> 00:23:33,714
as well was being pressured not only to

638
00:23:33,775 --> 00:23:36,414
stop its financing of Hamas, which historically has

639
00:23:36,414 --> 00:23:36,914
done,

640
00:23:38,095 --> 00:23:39,794
not in the form of these cash,

641
00:23:40,414 --> 00:23:43,214
in suitcases handouts, which would come later. Right.

642
00:23:43,214 --> 00:23:46,029
But it was forced to stop its its

643
00:23:46,029 --> 00:23:49,069
financing of Hamas, which meant that Iran could

644
00:23:49,069 --> 00:23:50,669
come in and and take over that role

645
00:23:50,669 --> 00:23:51,169
more.

646
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:53,470
But also there was being pressure to even

647
00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:54,529
close down Al Jazeera.

648
00:23:55,309 --> 00:23:57,230
So there was this enormous amount of pressure

649
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:59,804
on Hamas. Hamas, with an a renewed leadership,

650
00:24:00,664 --> 00:24:02,264
was in a very difficult position. So the

651
00:24:02,264 --> 00:24:04,125
Israelis decided to do a number of things.

652
00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:06,904
One of them was to allow more workers

653
00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:08,904
from the Gaza Strip to obtain permits to

654
00:24:08,904 --> 00:24:10,764
go on the Israeli side and work,

655
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:12,670
on the Israeli side.

656
00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:14,970
Another thing that they did for instance is,

657
00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:17,789
you know, they periodically open the fishing zones,

658
00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:20,730
further so people could fish further. Small little

659
00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:23,230
restrictions. Then the major thing that they did

660
00:24:23,785 --> 00:24:26,765
were these, you know, multimillion dollar cash handouts

661
00:24:26,825 --> 00:24:27,325
to

662
00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:29,724
Hamas, which would come through the Erez,

663
00:24:30,345 --> 00:24:30,845
crossing.

664
00:24:31,144 --> 00:24:33,144
At first, they were in suitcases. That was

665
00:24:33,144 --> 00:24:34,924
the way that they've just bring in suitcases

666
00:24:34,984 --> 00:24:37,144
of cash. The Qatari officials would get off

667
00:24:37,144 --> 00:24:39,244
the plane from Doha. They would go

668
00:24:39,569 --> 00:24:41,409
straight to the Gaza Strip and hand this

669
00:24:41,409 --> 00:24:43,970
over to Hamas. Right. Now the statistical breakdown,

670
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:45,890
because Israel uses this to claim that they

671
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:48,369
were taking that money and funneling I can't

672
00:24:48,369 --> 00:24:49,829
remember exactly the statistic.

673
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:51,585
I think it was 6,000,000

674
00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:52,484
or 4,000,000

675
00:24:52,704 --> 00:24:54,704
to the Passama Brigade, which is the armed

676
00:24:54,704 --> 00:24:55,524
wing of Hamas.

677
00:24:56,784 --> 00:24:59,105
What really happened is all of that money,

678
00:24:59,105 --> 00:25:01,345
according to all of the mainstream accounts of

679
00:25:01,345 --> 00:25:02,865
what was happening to that money at the

680
00:25:02,865 --> 00:25:04,704
time, was that it was not being handed

681
00:25:04,704 --> 00:25:06,304
over to the armed wing. But, of course,

682
00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,579
it was helping Hamas because because Hamas used

683
00:25:08,579 --> 00:25:12,099
that money to basically subsidize this subsidized fuel,

684
00:25:12,099 --> 00:25:13,779
to pay salaries, to do the things that

685
00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:16,339
have been taken away. Mhmm. The reason on

686
00:25:16,339 --> 00:25:19,220
the Israeli side to do that was to

687
00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:21,619
stop there from being some conflict breaking out

688
00:25:21,619 --> 00:25:23,484
at the time. They weren't prepared to go

689
00:25:23,484 --> 00:25:25,005
to an all out conflict. There was no

690
00:25:25,005 --> 00:25:26,924
reason for it. It was in a very

691
00:25:26,924 --> 00:25:28,464
precarious political position.

692
00:25:29,404 --> 00:25:30,304
And so Netanyahu

693
00:25:30,684 --> 00:25:33,164
endorsed this strategy very, like, sort of, you

694
00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:33,984
know, backdoor,

695
00:25:35,309 --> 00:25:37,549
Right. Sort of a way of transferring. But

696
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:40,429
that money was from, Qatar, not not Israel.

697
00:25:40,429 --> 00:25:42,769
Israel doesn't Right. Didn't, fund Hamas.

698
00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:45,950
But to to just to better flush this

699
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:47,789
out, the the the argument is and thank

700
00:25:47,789 --> 00:25:49,865
you for there's the nuances is important. You

701
00:25:49,865 --> 00:25:51,465
know, when you're when you're make but what

702
00:25:51,465 --> 00:25:52,744
we I wanted to get into when we'll

703
00:25:52,744 --> 00:25:54,205
go into next was the

704
00:25:54,744 --> 00:25:56,984
relevance of how often that's happened through The

705
00:25:56,984 --> 00:25:59,224
US and Israel of funding radical elements. Right?

706
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:01,625
Settlers, moss, what so on. But what's to

707
00:26:01,625 --> 00:26:03,224
better flush this out, what I find is

708
00:26:03,224 --> 00:26:05,170
important so this is this is what the

709
00:26:05,170 --> 00:26:06,849
the way I'm framing this is the is

710
00:26:06,849 --> 00:26:08,529
the idea that we have things like this

711
00:26:08,529 --> 00:26:10,769
where you know that they are in a

712
00:26:10,769 --> 00:26:12,529
part of this process. Now I'm not saying

713
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:14,690
you can argue for what or what form

714
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:16,369
it ended up in. Right? But simply that

715
00:26:16,369 --> 00:26:19,095
we know that you have examples where Israel

716
00:26:19,095 --> 00:26:22,454
through Mossad is facilitating the process of some

717
00:26:22,454 --> 00:26:24,775
measure of funding going to Hamas. I think

718
00:26:24,775 --> 00:26:27,335
that's very relevant. So the the why and

719
00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:28,694
how of it, I which I'm sure you

720
00:26:28,694 --> 00:26:30,134
know more than most, I don't I think

721
00:26:30,134 --> 00:26:31,494
it ends the day you don't like, for

722
00:26:31,494 --> 00:26:34,170
example, the the election process in 02/2006.

723
00:26:34,410 --> 00:26:36,009
I still argue I don't think it makes

724
00:26:36,009 --> 00:26:37,710
sense to me that they would have allowed

725
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:39,930
an element to you know, people that they're

726
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:40,830
calling terrorists

727
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:43,049
to elect people they call terrorists. You see

728
00:26:43,049 --> 00:26:44,250
what I'm saying? But, you know, but at

729
00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:45,130
the end of the day, I don't know

730
00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:46,490
because I feel like it makes sense that

731
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:47,150
the information

732
00:26:47,884 --> 00:26:48,845
that we see shows that there was an

733
00:26:48,845 --> 00:26:50,944
election, and I'm not gonna dispute that Palestinians

734
00:26:51,325 --> 00:26:52,605
could have and have the right to choose

735
00:26:52,605 --> 00:26:54,365
whoever they want. But it's just an interesting

736
00:26:54,365 --> 00:26:56,044
kind of self fulfilling prophecy as you see

737
00:26:56,044 --> 00:26:58,284
this go forward or the many examples that

738
00:26:58,284 --> 00:27:00,044
I'm sure you're familiar with, like this one,

739
00:27:00,044 --> 00:27:00,784
for example,

740
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,440
where Haaretz told us right after October 7

741
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,119
that he made very clear that they need

742
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,440
to continue to transfer money to Hamas to

743
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,279
make sure that they're divided. You know, things

744
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:10,559
like that that show you that there is

745
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,399
an element of this, at least him stating

746
00:27:12,399 --> 00:27:14,694
publicly, for the getting money in the hands

747
00:27:14,694 --> 00:27:16,315
of the group that they claim they're fighting

748
00:27:16,534 --> 00:27:18,454
to keep them divided. You know? So things

749
00:27:18,454 --> 00:27:20,108
like that. Or, I might you know, I

750
00:27:20,108 --> 00:27:21,174
might as well just play the clip since

751
00:27:21,174 --> 00:27:23,015
we're talking about it. Just to just brief.

752
00:27:23,015 --> 00:27:25,015
No. That's, from 02/2019

753
00:27:25,015 --> 00:27:27,220
just to to clarify. No. Yes. Yeah. For

754
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:28,579
the podcast, very much. I'll I'll read the

755
00:27:28,579 --> 00:27:30,019
direct quote. I'm I'm just skimming over it

756
00:27:30,019 --> 00:27:31,859
since I've mentioned this so many times. Anyone

757
00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:33,720
who wants to thwart the establishment of Palestinian

758
00:27:33,779 --> 00:27:36,339
state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring

759
00:27:36,339 --> 00:27:38,019
money to Hamas. He said this to his

760
00:27:38,019 --> 00:27:38,839
Likud party,

761
00:27:39,244 --> 00:27:41,005
in the Knesset to in the the Knesset

762
00:27:41,005 --> 00:27:43,725
party's Knesset members in March 2019. This is

763
00:27:43,725 --> 00:27:45,164
part of our strategy, and he goes on

764
00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:46,845
to make it clear, you know, that that's

765
00:27:46,845 --> 00:27:48,605
about dividing them and, you know, in a

766
00:27:48,605 --> 00:27:51,244
surreptitious manner. Then, there and I'll play this

767
00:27:51,244 --> 00:27:53,259
too since we're talking about it. So you're

768
00:27:53,259 --> 00:27:57,180
saying Benjamin Netanyahu deliberately boosted Hamas to try

769
00:27:57,180 --> 00:28:00,059
to prevent a Palestinian state? Yeah. Sure. He

770
00:28:00,059 --> 00:28:00,559
deliberately

771
00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:01,680
and systematically

772
00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:04,160
even even told this on record

773
00:28:04,619 --> 00:28:06,319
whoever wants to avoid

774
00:28:06,734 --> 00:28:07,634
the threat

775
00:28:08,575 --> 00:28:10,035
of a two state solution

776
00:28:10,414 --> 00:28:12,434
has to support my policy

777
00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:16,335
of paying protection money to the Hamas. So

778
00:28:16,335 --> 00:28:19,214
what we did, with the permission of our

779
00:28:19,214 --> 00:28:20,674
prime minister is

780
00:28:21,054 --> 00:28:21,554
to

781
00:28:21,934 --> 00:28:22,434
let

782
00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:23,680
Qatar

783
00:28:24,059 --> 00:28:24,880
to transfer

784
00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:27,359
a huge amount of money in cash,

785
00:28:28,059 --> 00:28:32,640
probably more than $1,400,000,000

786
00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:35,339
By doing it, we increase the power of

787
00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:35,839
Hamas.

788
00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:36,720
We

789
00:28:37,244 --> 00:28:39,404
did everything in order to make sure that

790
00:28:39,404 --> 00:28:42,305
Hamas will go on controlling Gaza,

791
00:28:43,085 --> 00:28:44,625
and Palestinian authority

792
00:28:45,244 --> 00:28:47,484
will control the West Bank so they will

793
00:28:47,484 --> 00:28:48,464
fight each other.

794
00:28:49,670 --> 00:28:51,109
Now, of course, these are people with their

795
00:28:51,109 --> 00:28:52,789
agendas. Ibu Barak is no one that should

796
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:54,789
be trusted. Right? You know? But, nonetheless, the

797
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:57,429
point is that the overarching idea is that

798
00:28:57,429 --> 00:28:59,750
money was facilitated into the hands of Hamas,

799
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:01,269
and I I think that's very relevant. Now

800
00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:03,194
the nuance, people can feel free to film

801
00:29:03,194 --> 00:29:04,875
it in for themselves. My point is simply

802
00:29:04,875 --> 00:29:06,555
just that if we know that to some

803
00:29:06,555 --> 00:29:08,474
degree, there's at least a question of to

804
00:29:08,474 --> 00:29:10,315
what the intent is and whether or not

805
00:29:10,394 --> 00:29:12,234
especially with all the foreknowledge and all of

806
00:29:12,234 --> 00:29:14,154
the weirdness around October 7, you know, you

807
00:29:14,154 --> 00:29:15,835
just the question is posed, I think, is

808
00:29:15,835 --> 00:29:17,490
whether or not there's something to that. And

809
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:18,890
I go ahead. You have you have some

810
00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:20,250
comments, but I I'd like to go into

811
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:23,049
the overarching point of just the general idea

812
00:29:23,049 --> 00:29:23,630
of funding,

813
00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:26,650
you know, your own enemy for the purposes

814
00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:28,490
of manipulation in a way. But go ahead,

815
00:29:28,569 --> 00:29:31,434
Warner. I look. I, I completely agree with

816
00:29:31,434 --> 00:29:33,434
the assessment that this was to divide the

817
00:29:33,434 --> 00:29:36,634
Palestinian territories. I think that's, an established fact

818
00:29:36,634 --> 00:29:37,694
that that has been

819
00:29:38,075 --> 00:29:38,815
the agenda

820
00:29:39,595 --> 00:29:41,835
to divide the territories. They wanted to keep

821
00:29:42,154 --> 00:29:44,154
and this has been a policy position, which

822
00:29:44,154 --> 00:29:44,970
we found out,

823
00:29:45,369 --> 00:29:45,869
through

824
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:47,690
WikiLeaks documents

825
00:29:48,009 --> 00:29:48,509
Mhmm.

826
00:29:49,049 --> 00:29:50,750
In the early twenty teens.

827
00:29:51,450 --> 00:29:53,929
It was released that, the agenda was,

828
00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:57,130
to keep Gaza on a diet, to keep

829
00:29:57,130 --> 00:30:00,045
it basically on the barrier of poverty line,

830
00:30:01,005 --> 00:30:03,244
to squeeze the population, to get them to

831
00:30:03,244 --> 00:30:03,744
rebel,

832
00:30:04,605 --> 00:30:05,105
against,

833
00:30:05,565 --> 00:30:06,625
Hamas, basically,

834
00:30:07,725 --> 00:30:09,744
but to just keep them right there,

835
00:30:10,205 --> 00:30:10,705
essentially,

836
00:30:11,244 --> 00:30:13,884
but not collapse the territory completely because then

837
00:30:13,884 --> 00:30:16,429
that would beget armed action and armed conflict,

838
00:30:17,289 --> 00:30:18,429
and and they didn't,

839
00:30:19,289 --> 00:30:21,049
care to do that. And they knew through

840
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:23,289
armed conflict, they can't defeat Hamas. As we've

841
00:30:23,289 --> 00:30:25,130
seen over the past eighteen months, they haven't

842
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:26,809
been able to defeat Hamas since it they

843
00:30:26,809 --> 00:30:28,829
just haven't been able to do it. So

844
00:30:29,075 --> 00:30:31,154
there's there's a few different elements here. Number

845
00:30:31,154 --> 00:30:33,634
one is those Israeli politicians and those Israeli,

846
00:30:33,634 --> 00:30:35,974
you know, former leaders in the intelligence

847
00:30:36,994 --> 00:30:38,535
community and then also,

848
00:30:39,075 --> 00:30:41,015
Yudhud Barak, a former prime minister.

849
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,700
They have an anti

850
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,119
Netanyahu agenda. You'll you'll hear that Ehud Barak,

851
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,519
he said, like, we transferred the money to

852
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,500
Hamas, which is obviously not accurate. Then afterwards,

853
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,480
now you're hearing the the former head of

854
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,720
the Mossad say, no. No. We allowed Qatar

855
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,845
to transfer the cash in this 1,300,000,000.0.

856
00:30:58,845 --> 00:31:00,125
It wasn't 1,300,000,000.0.

857
00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:01,505
I don't think it was that much.

858
00:31:02,684 --> 00:31:04,464
But regardless, that's beside the point.

859
00:31:04,765 --> 00:31:05,265
There's

860
00:31:05,644 --> 00:31:07,884
an agenda to divide the two territories, for

861
00:31:07,884 --> 00:31:09,805
instance. That's why, for instance, Israel is not

862
00:31:09,805 --> 00:31:12,029
allowed as a political solution for the Palestinian

863
00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:13,630
authority, which is incredibly

864
00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:16,170
corrupt, by the way, and and works with

865
00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:18,490
Israel and security coordination and does not fight

866
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:18,990
Israel,

867
00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:21,849
and is financed by, you know, The United

868
00:31:21,849 --> 00:31:23,529
States before The US is pulling out some

869
00:31:23,529 --> 00:31:25,664
funding now. But The United States and mainly

870
00:31:25,664 --> 00:31:28,544
the Europeans who finance the Palestinian authority to

871
00:31:28,544 --> 00:31:30,944
be like a domestic securities service for the

872
00:31:30,944 --> 00:31:32,865
Palestinians in the West Bank to take the

873
00:31:32,865 --> 00:31:34,724
burden off of the occupying forces.

874
00:31:35,025 --> 00:31:37,044
But they didn't want the Palestinian authority

875
00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:39,850
to go into Gaza after the war as

876
00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:42,410
a settlement, for the ceasefire settlement, and they

877
00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:42,910
also,

878
00:31:43,529 --> 00:31:45,369
didn't want it to happen in 2017. That's

879
00:31:45,369 --> 00:31:47,609
why they axed it every single in 02/2014,

880
00:31:47,609 --> 00:31:50,809
when Hamas and, Fatah, the Palestinian authority led,

881
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:53,994
led by Fatah came together in 02/2014. Israel

882
00:31:53,994 --> 00:31:56,154
launched a military assault of a fifty one

883
00:31:56,154 --> 00:31:56,894
day war,

884
00:31:57,355 --> 00:32:00,154
against the Gaza Strip, trying to uproot Hamas.

885
00:32:00,154 --> 00:32:02,875
Again, they failed to do that, for military

886
00:32:02,875 --> 00:32:03,375
means.

887
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:06,154
And what had happened after that is their

888
00:32:06,154 --> 00:32:08,900
failure to uproot Hamas completely and the armed

889
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,119
wing at least and to,

890
00:32:10,819 --> 00:32:12,500
limit their ability to be able to launch

891
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:14,339
rockets and do things which are a nuisance,

892
00:32:14,339 --> 00:32:15,940
but they don't really do that much. But

893
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:18,339
they're still a nuisance. Right? And, obviously, Hamas

894
00:32:18,339 --> 00:32:20,279
has the capacity to inflict some

895
00:32:20,654 --> 00:32:20,815
bat,

896
00:32:21,455 --> 00:32:23,934
damage on on the Israelis. Not that much.

897
00:32:23,934 --> 00:32:26,414
It's not it won't take down Israel, but

898
00:32:26,414 --> 00:32:28,975
it will, you know, cause a domestic crisis.

899
00:32:28,975 --> 00:32:30,975
It will cause a stir. You know? Iraq

900
00:32:30,975 --> 00:32:33,339
going into Tel Aviv, it's a problem even

901
00:32:33,339 --> 00:32:35,179
if it doesn't do anything. Like, Ansar Allah

902
00:32:35,179 --> 00:32:37,179
now fires its missiles at Tel Aviv. They

903
00:32:37,179 --> 00:32:39,579
don't normally hit anything, but, you know, it's

904
00:32:39,579 --> 00:32:41,500
still a huge problem. Sirens go off, you

905
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:43,039
know, crisis. So

906
00:32:43,579 --> 00:32:44,079
after,

907
00:32:44,539 --> 00:32:47,659
you know, the situation where Hamas is basically

908
00:32:47,659 --> 00:32:48,480
trying everything,

909
00:32:48,994 --> 00:32:51,875
Everything to try and hand over, the authority

910
00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:54,134
to somebody else, you know, to govern Gaza.

911
00:32:54,275 --> 00:32:56,375
Do something to make the living conditions better.

912
00:32:56,595 --> 00:32:58,595
Israel What year are you talking about here?

913
00:32:58,595 --> 00:33:00,215
What year are we at? What you're describing?

914
00:33:00,275 --> 00:33:01,715
We're at, like, 02/2018.

915
00:33:01,715 --> 00:33:03,654
Okay. 02/2018 here.

916
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Hamas had basically been put in the position

917
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,099
where it tried diplomacy. It amended its charter.

918
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,000
It tried nonviolence as a strategy even. It

919
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,240
even had towards nonviolence for a while. It

920
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,759
had tried even if you look at its

921
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:17,640
2017

922
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,484
charter, it talks about perhaps

923
00:33:19,884 --> 00:33:22,144
accepting a two state solution. Hamas would be

924
00:33:22,204 --> 00:33:24,444
able to accept it. And, obviously, they have

925
00:33:24,444 --> 00:33:26,605
stipulations about what that two state solution looks

926
00:33:26,605 --> 00:33:28,605
like, of course, but they had the idea

927
00:33:28,605 --> 00:33:30,384
that we'd accept it. Right?

928
00:33:31,164 --> 00:33:32,605
If it meant that it could be a

929
00:33:32,605 --> 00:33:33,105
prolonged,

930
00:33:33,619 --> 00:33:36,100
you know, ceasefire at least in truce with

931
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,180
the Israeli side. We don't wanna recognize Israel,

932
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:39,619
but we'll do a two state solution so

933
00:33:39,619 --> 00:33:41,700
we can have a prolonged truce. I won't

934
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:42,980
go into the ins and outs of that,

935
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:44,900
but it shows a level of moderation that

936
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:46,420
they had, and they were trying to move

937
00:33:46,420 --> 00:33:48,704
towards something different. And, look, the situation in

938
00:33:48,704 --> 00:33:51,444
Gaza, you had to realize that by 2020,

939
00:33:52,305 --> 00:33:53,984
even before that was called out by UN

940
00:33:53,984 --> 00:33:55,125
officials as being unlivable.

941
00:33:55,505 --> 00:33:57,765
The situation then was extremely dire.

942
00:33:58,144 --> 00:33:58,724
The unemployment

943
00:33:59,025 --> 00:34:00,545
rate was through the roof, one of the

944
00:34:00,545 --> 00:34:02,880
highest in the world, especially amongst the youth.

945
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200
There was you know, the people had nothing

946
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,880
to do there. Like, you know, the majority

947
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,139
of the population was dependent upon humanitarian

948
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:09,940
aid.

949
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,079
You know, 97%

950
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:13,300
of the water was undrinkable.

951
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,404
The situation that was horrific prior to October

952
00:34:17,404 --> 00:34:20,164
7. So Hamas, being this political leadership and,

953
00:34:20,164 --> 00:34:21,844
again, this goes back to something I know

954
00:34:21,844 --> 00:34:24,344
this is sort of a little bit, complex,

955
00:34:24,724 --> 00:34:26,565
but it's really important for the context. You

956
00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,644
said about in 02/2006 them being allowed to

957
00:34:28,644 --> 00:34:30,700
run, and that's weird that they're allowed to

958
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:31,519
run. Well,

959
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:32,960
interestingly enough,

960
00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:35,500
George Bush is the one that encouraged the

961
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,660
election to happen. And then on top of

962
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:39,260
that as well, the m I six was

963
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:41,594
the one pushing and pushing and pushing. Hamas.

964
00:34:41,594 --> 00:34:42,715
Hamas. You need to go. You need to

965
00:34:42,715 --> 00:34:44,635
run. Hamas at that time had thrown its

966
00:34:44,635 --> 00:34:45,755
hands up in the air and said, no.

967
00:34:45,755 --> 00:34:47,675
We're just about armed struggle. We're we don't

968
00:34:47,675 --> 00:34:49,594
care. But they ended up being pushed into

969
00:34:49,594 --> 00:34:51,755
it. And then when they won, it was

970
00:34:51,755 --> 00:34:54,155
the perfect excuse. Right. Right? Because, of course,

971
00:34:54,155 --> 00:34:56,894
the Palestinian Authority was, led by Fatah.

972
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:59,250
It being taken over by Hamas, they were

973
00:34:59,250 --> 00:35:00,690
never going to allow. They can say, look.

974
00:35:00,690 --> 00:35:03,170
A terrorist organization took over. To be clear,

975
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:06,849
though, every single Palestinian political party other than

976
00:35:06,849 --> 00:35:09,489
the mainstream branch of Fatah are considered terrorist

977
00:35:09,489 --> 00:35:13,144
organizations, whether they be Islamic parties, nationalists, socialists.

978
00:35:13,204 --> 00:35:15,045
It doesn't matter. Like, they're all terrorists. Whether

979
00:35:15,045 --> 00:35:17,025
they are or not, to be clear. Yeah.

980
00:35:17,045 --> 00:35:17,704
Yeah. But,

981
00:35:18,005 --> 00:35:19,925
of course, this is this is the thing

982
00:35:19,925 --> 00:35:20,405
that,

983
00:35:21,045 --> 00:35:21,545
like,

984
00:35:22,085 --> 00:35:24,585
it it it is quite a nuanced history.

985
00:35:25,099 --> 00:35:26,960
But that two thousand six election,

986
00:35:27,659 --> 00:35:30,640
instantly, there was a blockade imposed upon Gaza,

987
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:32,960
not just by the Israelis, but an economic

988
00:35:33,099 --> 00:35:33,659
embargo employ

989
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:37,179
put in place, where they put sanctions on

990
00:35:37,179 --> 00:35:39,340
from the European Union and from The United

991
00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:40,215
States, which

992
00:35:40,614 --> 00:35:43,055
squeezed Gaza. Then, of course, what was going

993
00:35:43,055 --> 00:35:45,094
to happen what did they do? The Bush

994
00:35:45,094 --> 00:35:47,755
administration, which we found out through Vanity Fair,

995
00:35:47,974 --> 00:35:49,815
many people had their suspicions about, but we

996
00:35:49,815 --> 00:35:51,655
found the details out in the Vanity Fair

997
00:35:51,655 --> 00:35:52,155
article,

998
00:35:53,130 --> 00:35:53,630
endorsed

999
00:35:53,929 --> 00:35:56,409
basically for ferrying weapons through,

1000
00:35:56,730 --> 00:35:57,869
Egypt and other countries,

1001
00:35:58,569 --> 00:35:59,609
and and sending,

1002
00:35:59,929 --> 00:36:02,510
cash through to the head of the, then

1003
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:05,869
preventative security, force head for the Palestinian party,

1004
00:36:07,364 --> 00:36:07,864
Dahan,

1005
00:36:09,764 --> 00:36:10,744
Mohammed Dahan,

1006
00:36:12,085 --> 00:36:13,784
tried to launch a coup. Hamas

1007
00:36:14,085 --> 00:36:16,885
saw this coming, and they purged the Palestinian

1008
00:36:16,885 --> 00:36:18,905
party, created what was known as Palestinian

1009
00:36:19,284 --> 00:36:22,005
civil war in 02/2007, and then Israel imposed

1010
00:36:22,005 --> 00:36:22,505
this

1011
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:23,989
full scale blockade,

1012
00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:26,050
and then that led to all of these

1013
00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:27,570
wars, and it sort of led to the

1014
00:36:27,570 --> 00:36:28,710
position we're in today.

1015
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:30,929
But the reason why this is all relevant

1016
00:36:30,929 --> 00:36:31,989
to the the financing

1017
00:36:32,610 --> 00:36:33,349
is because

1018
00:36:33,809 --> 00:36:35,190
when it comes to the Israelis,

1019
00:36:36,394 --> 00:36:38,795
their their assessment was Hamas cannot do they

1020
00:36:38,795 --> 00:36:39,934
can't destroy us.

1021
00:36:40,315 --> 00:36:42,335
They can't do significant damage alone.

1022
00:36:43,355 --> 00:36:44,094
And so

1023
00:36:44,635 --> 00:36:46,155
you've got two options. Either you can go

1024
00:36:46,155 --> 00:36:47,355
to war with them and you can try

1025
00:36:47,355 --> 00:36:49,269
and destroy them, which they knew was not

1026
00:36:49,269 --> 00:36:50,710
going to happen. I mean, look at eighteen

1027
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:53,110
months of struggle to try and destroy Hamas,

1028
00:36:53,110 --> 00:36:54,470
and they haven't been able to do it

1029
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:56,570
through the most horrific means

1030
00:36:56,869 --> 00:36:58,890
of of doing it because they're they're not

1031
00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:01,510
going directly and attacking Hamas in in tunnels

1032
00:37:01,510 --> 00:37:03,074
and stuff. They don't know where they are,

1033
00:37:03,474 --> 00:37:05,155
number one. And they're not trying to fight

1034
00:37:05,155 --> 00:37:06,675
them directly. They're trying to do it through

1035
00:37:06,675 --> 00:37:07,734
squeezing the population

1036
00:37:08,195 --> 00:37:09,954
because they know it will be very costly

1037
00:37:09,954 --> 00:37:11,554
to their soldiers if they try to fight

1038
00:37:11,554 --> 00:37:13,954
Hamas directly. So and they learned this in

1039
00:37:13,954 --> 00:37:15,014
02/2014

1040
00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:17,635
with, the catastrophe that befell their forces in

1041
00:37:17,635 --> 00:37:18,135
Shajaiya,

1042
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,059
in in Gaza City. So what they've done

1043
00:37:21,059 --> 00:37:23,699
essentially is, like, strangle the civilian population, kill

1044
00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:24,760
the civilian population,

1045
00:37:25,219 --> 00:37:27,219
bomb all of the buildings, you know, commit

1046
00:37:27,219 --> 00:37:28,519
all these war crimes at genocide,

1047
00:37:29,219 --> 00:37:31,380
as a strategy to force Hamas out, and

1048
00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:33,045
they still not been able to do it.

1049
00:37:33,284 --> 00:37:36,085
So understanding this and and having enough intelligence

1050
00:37:36,085 --> 00:37:38,405
information to know that that strategy is not

1051
00:37:38,405 --> 00:37:39,224
very good,

1052
00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:41,844
up until that point, what they have been

1053
00:37:41,844 --> 00:37:42,344
doing

1054
00:37:42,964 --> 00:37:44,344
was attempting to

1055
00:37:44,964 --> 00:37:48,110
essentially provide that money, which before was coming

1056
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:49,570
from the Palestinian authority

1057
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:52,670
into the Gaza Strip for the salaries, for

1058
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:55,230
instance, and were was coming in. Even Qatar

1059
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:56,849
before it was still aiding

1060
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:59,869
and transferring to Hamas, but allow this money

1061
00:37:59,869 --> 00:38:00,769
to come through

1062
00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:03,574
to sort of keep Hamas at bay.

1063
00:38:03,875 --> 00:38:05,875
And the agenda, of course, has always been

1064
00:38:05,875 --> 00:38:08,034
to divide the West Bank and Gaza. They

1065
00:38:08,034 --> 00:38:10,514
didn't want, you know, a joint entity in

1066
00:38:10,514 --> 00:38:13,315
both. Whether that's Hamas, it it they would

1067
00:38:13,315 --> 00:38:16,154
oppose completely Hamas having any role in governing

1068
00:38:16,154 --> 00:38:18,539
the, the West Bank. As we saw with

1069
00:38:18,539 --> 00:38:21,360
the legislative elections, the the free and democratic

1070
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:23,360
elections that happened in 02/2006,

1071
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:25,280
they they blocked that.

1072
00:38:25,579 --> 00:38:27,900
And they also oppose the Palestinian Authority taking

1073
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:29,980
over the Gaza Strip because if the Palestinian

1074
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:31,900
Authority takes over the Gaza Strip or Hamas

1075
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,724
takes over the West Bank, then suddenly it's

1076
00:38:33,724 --> 00:38:36,065
a singular it's a unified Palestinian

1077
00:38:36,364 --> 00:38:36,864
entity

1078
00:38:37,164 --> 00:38:39,244
with a seat at the United Nations and

1079
00:38:39,244 --> 00:38:41,105
a claim to a state based on international

1080
00:38:41,244 --> 00:38:43,005
law, and they don't want that. So they

1081
00:38:43,005 --> 00:38:44,925
need to divide them. But, again, they need

1082
00:38:44,925 --> 00:38:47,239
to make sure that the situation in Gaza

1083
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:47,980
did collapse

1084
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,280
into a situation where Hamas would be forced

1085
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,780
into taking some drastic military action,

1086
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,320
because then it froze them into this situation

1087
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,800
that they have today. Right. So that's the

1088
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,280
reason behind why the money was allowed to

1089
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:00,940
be transferred.

1090
00:39:01,445 --> 00:39:03,925
Okay. And then there's sort of, like, the

1091
00:39:03,925 --> 00:39:04,425
background

1092
00:39:04,724 --> 00:39:07,605
Israeli political dynamics with the opposition. And I

1093
00:39:07,605 --> 00:39:09,445
know I've went into this really No. No.

1094
00:39:09,445 --> 00:39:11,364
No. I'm I'm glad you did. I'm really

1095
00:39:11,364 --> 00:39:12,965
glad you did. So let let's let's unpack

1096
00:39:12,965 --> 00:39:14,005
it a little bit though because this is

1097
00:39:14,005 --> 00:39:15,300
what's so fascinating. And I didn't intend to

1098
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:16,660
make this the focal point, but I I

1099
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:18,420
think this is important. We've talked about this

1100
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:19,940
before though, and this is so you know?

1101
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:21,640
Okay. So what you just laid out there.

1102
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:23,380
Yes. I and I've been

1103
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:25,700
you did it's exactly as I think an

1104
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,099
honest journalist should. Right? You knew the facts,

1105
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:30,119
the nuance, you know, not jumping to conclusions,

1106
00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:32,594
But just just a just your opinion.

1107
00:39:33,214 --> 00:39:34,574
With what you just laid out there, is

1108
00:39:34,574 --> 00:39:36,255
it not likely that you can see that

1109
00:39:36,255 --> 00:39:38,494
that that that it's a arguable like, a

1110
00:39:38,494 --> 00:39:38,994
logical

1111
00:39:39,295 --> 00:39:40,815
argument that 02/2006

1112
00:39:40,815 --> 00:39:43,214
was, like you said, like, driven into reality

1113
00:39:43,214 --> 00:39:45,054
so it could be used against them? That's

1114
00:39:45,054 --> 00:39:46,869
not the same as saying that, like, you

1115
00:39:46,869 --> 00:39:48,550
could say that could exist at the same

1116
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:51,510
time that Palestinians also likely wanted Hamas for

1117
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:53,590
the obvious reasons that it's a powerful entity

1118
00:39:53,590 --> 00:39:54,949
and that it's fighting back and, you know,

1119
00:39:54,949 --> 00:39:56,949
whatever else. So do you think just to

1120
00:39:56,949 --> 00:39:59,429
your opinion, was was two thousand six driven

1121
00:39:59,429 --> 00:40:01,269
into reality so they could use Hamas against

1122
00:40:01,269 --> 00:40:01,769
them?

1123
00:40:02,164 --> 00:40:04,005
Oh, yeah. I think I that's, I I

1124
00:40:04,005 --> 00:40:06,085
would not dispute that at all. Sounds interesting

1125
00:40:06,085 --> 00:40:07,525
to me. Go ahead. And, obviously, what they

1126
00:40:07,525 --> 00:40:09,364
did is because Hamas didn't end up just

1127
00:40:09,364 --> 00:40:12,025
going, you know, contrary to how it's portrayed

1128
00:40:12,085 --> 00:40:14,644
in the Western corporate media, Hamas didn't just

1129
00:40:14,644 --> 00:40:16,085
end up going door to door and just

1130
00:40:16,085 --> 00:40:17,900
shooting people for no reason. They had to

1131
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:19,859
give it a little push. Right? When it

1132
00:40:19,859 --> 00:40:22,179
won the legislative elections, it should have seized

1133
00:40:22,179 --> 00:40:24,579
power. Right? So it was ready to take

1134
00:40:24,579 --> 00:40:27,059
over power. But, of course, the Palestinian authority

1135
00:40:27,059 --> 00:40:28,659
was not going to allow that to happen

1136
00:40:28,659 --> 00:40:31,940
because the backing, again, of, the European Union

1137
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:34,005
at the time, Britain was part of it

1138
00:40:34,005 --> 00:40:36,244
and The United States. And so they were

1139
00:40:36,244 --> 00:40:38,585
not going to allow Hamas to take power.

1140
00:40:39,045 --> 00:40:41,545
And that's why they launched in 02/2007

1141
00:40:41,684 --> 00:40:44,164
or they attempted to launch a coup against

1142
00:40:44,164 --> 00:40:44,664
Hamas,

1143
00:40:45,059 --> 00:40:46,599
in the Gaza Strip, which was,

1144
00:40:47,059 --> 00:40:48,360
you know, it was uncovered,

1145
00:40:48,820 --> 00:40:49,320
by,

1146
00:40:49,619 --> 00:40:50,599
the Passam Brigades,

1147
00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:53,059
and they defeated it. They put it down

1148
00:40:53,059 --> 00:40:53,559
violently,

1149
00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:56,340
and then it caused this civil war conflict

1150
00:40:56,340 --> 00:40:58,994
where, you know, for some time, people in

1151
00:40:58,994 --> 00:41:00,755
fact that Hamas were shooting at each other

1152
00:41:00,755 --> 00:41:02,355
and killing each other. You know? It's like

1153
00:41:02,355 --> 00:41:04,054
it was a it was a bloody conflict,

1154
00:41:04,114 --> 00:41:05,655
but that's what it was. Again,

1155
00:41:06,355 --> 00:41:09,074
it's obvious that Mhmm. It was designed to

1156
00:41:09,074 --> 00:41:11,234
cause this division. Right. And it was an

1157
00:41:11,234 --> 00:41:13,469
agenda. So that's where I'm wondering is is

1158
00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:15,390
you know, the the same time then going

1159
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:15,890
forward,

1160
00:41:16,269 --> 00:41:17,949
is it not likely all of that, like,

1161
00:41:17,949 --> 00:41:19,550
the like, the funding is the point. So

1162
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:21,469
then if they continue on, like, understanding that

1163
00:41:21,469 --> 00:41:22,989
it is being facilitated through Cutter and it's

1164
00:41:22,989 --> 00:41:24,885
possible that might not have always been their

1165
00:41:25,204 --> 00:41:27,204
drive. It seems like it makes sense from

1166
00:41:27,204 --> 00:41:29,364
that point forward that, yes, then obviously they

1167
00:41:29,364 --> 00:41:32,005
would continue to at least, like, put hands

1168
00:41:32,164 --> 00:41:33,764
money in the hands of Hamas whether they

1169
00:41:33,764 --> 00:41:35,364
even know it's coming from Israel in order

1170
00:41:35,364 --> 00:41:37,430
to keep this thing moving forward. You see

1171
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:38,710
what I'm saying? Like, so the nuances have

1172
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:40,710
to be that it's like Israel's writing checks

1173
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:42,710
right to Hamas, but ultimately that the money

1174
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:44,710
is getting in the hands of Hamas because

1175
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:46,090
Israel wants to maintain

1176
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:48,789
the thing we clearly agree was manufactured to

1177
00:41:48,789 --> 00:41:50,869
be the division factor. That's that's where I

1178
00:41:50,869 --> 00:41:52,934
think this all comes down to. Well, there's

1179
00:41:52,934 --> 00:41:53,994
also the equal,

1180
00:41:54,614 --> 00:41:55,974
you have to look at the point where

1181
00:41:55,974 --> 00:41:58,135
equally the Israelis that control, like, the tax

1182
00:41:58,135 --> 00:42:00,535
revenue that comes through the Palestinian Authority, for

1183
00:42:00,535 --> 00:42:02,055
instance. They control the money to go going

1184
00:42:02,055 --> 00:42:03,735
to the Palestinian Authority too, and they have

1185
00:42:03,735 --> 00:42:05,699
to release it to them. And so

1186
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,119
having an occupied territory under international law, if

1187
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:10,960
you're the occupier, you're supposed to be the

1188
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,880
one providing for it. Right. And Israel said,

1189
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,440
we're not gonna actually provide for it. Right?

1190
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,555
And they say Hamas is the reason. But

1191
00:42:17,555 --> 00:42:18,835
in the in the West Bank, now with

1192
00:42:18,835 --> 00:42:20,595
the Palestinian Authority, they don't even release the

1193
00:42:20,595 --> 00:42:22,114
tax revenue. So they don't even have an

1194
00:42:22,114 --> 00:42:24,595
excuse from Palestinian Authority, which works together with

1195
00:42:24,595 --> 00:42:26,695
their security forces on security coordination.

1196
00:42:28,835 --> 00:42:31,010
But they they don't want this is the

1197
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:32,849
thing. With the West Bank, yes, it's been

1198
00:42:32,849 --> 00:42:36,050
economically squeezed especially from, since October 7, but

1199
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:38,289
they're still allowing money to trickle in. They're

1200
00:42:38,289 --> 00:42:40,610
still allowing investments and things to be built

1201
00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:42,210
in the Ramallah and other areas in the

1202
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:44,405
West Bank. Because at the end of the

1203
00:42:44,405 --> 00:42:45,825
day, if the entire,

1204
00:42:47,085 --> 00:42:48,144
territory collapses,

1205
00:42:48,684 --> 00:42:51,085
they have some level of responsibility and some

1206
00:42:51,085 --> 00:42:53,244
political crisis that will come as a result

1207
00:42:53,244 --> 00:42:54,385
of a complete collapse.

1208
00:42:54,845 --> 00:42:57,244
So they need some sort of political entity

1209
00:42:57,244 --> 00:42:58,704
there to run the place,

1210
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,940
to sort of keep it stable for them,

1211
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:03,440
you know, and to do all the things

1212
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,760
that an occupying force normally is going to

1213
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,219
have to foot the bill for.

1214
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,199
But they want that to be done by

1215
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,000
somebody else. And so, for instance, with Hamas

1216
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,644
and them being empowered there, the situation was

1217
00:43:14,644 --> 00:43:16,984
getting very, very, very bad in Gaza,

1218
00:43:17,684 --> 00:43:18,324
leading up to,

1219
00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:22,244
this period into this period of late two

1220
00:43:22,244 --> 00:43:22,984
thousand eighteen.

1221
00:43:23,364 --> 00:43:26,005
And they were taking very drastic measures to

1222
00:43:26,005 --> 00:43:26,744
try and

1223
00:43:27,219 --> 00:43:29,300
somehow get anything, just an easing of the

1224
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:30,980
blockade. And that was the, you know, the

1225
00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:33,539
great return march. Obviously, they were asking for

1226
00:43:33,539 --> 00:43:34,199
the implementation,

1227
00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:35,780
implementation of,

1228
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:39,140
UN resolution one nine four and others. You

1229
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:40,739
know, they were asking for, like, the right

1230
00:43:40,739 --> 00:43:42,875
of return and stuff like this. But, really,

1231
00:43:43,094 --> 00:43:45,015
like, the core of the demand was we

1232
00:43:45,015 --> 00:43:47,414
want to at least ease, if not lift

1233
00:43:47,414 --> 00:43:49,574
the blockade. That was the big demand. Lift

1234
00:43:49,574 --> 00:43:51,815
the blockade. And, you know, they were just

1235
00:43:51,815 --> 00:43:54,375
trying to ease it, essentially. Like, the political

1236
00:43:54,375 --> 00:43:56,215
factions knew that they wouldn't they weren't just

1237
00:43:56,215 --> 00:43:57,960
going to lift the blockade. But they just

1238
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,739
wanted at least to ease the blockade

1239
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,199
just so that the situation would, you know,

1240
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,780
at least get a little bit, better,

1241
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:07,000
for the average person in Gaza, and it

1242
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,340
would have been slowly deteriorating and deteriorating.

1243
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,980
And the only path forward would have been

1244
00:44:12,174 --> 00:44:14,994
armed conflict and then complete chaos in Gaza,

1245
00:44:15,054 --> 00:44:17,614
which again would create this political crisis. And

1246
00:44:17,614 --> 00:44:18,674
without, like,

1247
00:44:19,614 --> 00:44:22,275
any reason for this to happen, the Israelis

1248
00:44:22,335 --> 00:44:24,414
would be thrown into a very, very difficult

1249
00:44:24,414 --> 00:44:27,239
position in front of the international community, their

1250
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,900
own population

1251
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,840
dealing with this, having all of these different,

1252
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:31,900
crises,

1253
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:32,860
with,

1254
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,980
you know, neighboring countries because of the predicament

1255
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,660
with the collapse of Gaza.

1256
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,545
So they had to allow this money to

1257
00:44:40,545 --> 00:44:42,385
come in, and that's the money that had

1258
00:44:42,385 --> 00:44:44,625
been coming in before for different means. It

1259
00:44:44,625 --> 00:44:47,344
wasn't coming for suitcases and stuff before, whether

1260
00:44:47,344 --> 00:44:50,085
it be the Palestinian authority or int international

1261
00:44:50,224 --> 00:44:50,724
humanitarian,

1262
00:44:51,425 --> 00:44:52,644
efforts, for instance.

1263
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:54,469
You know, and and,

1264
00:44:54,849 --> 00:44:56,610
you know, providing its funding for quite some

1265
00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:59,329
time. The money had been coming in before,

1266
00:44:59,329 --> 00:45:00,309
and the situation,

1267
00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:03,429
you know, had at least been semi stabilized.

1268
00:45:03,730 --> 00:45:05,170
Mhmm. And and now when we say that,

1269
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:06,789
we're still talking about a territory

1270
00:45:07,184 --> 00:45:08,565
descending into an unlivable

1271
00:45:09,105 --> 00:45:09,605
condition,

1272
00:45:10,545 --> 00:45:13,344
even when we're talking about this. But that's

1273
00:45:13,344 --> 00:45:15,025
why the money went in, and the money

1274
00:45:15,025 --> 00:45:17,184
really was a very, very small amount for

1275
00:45:17,184 --> 00:45:19,445
what Gaza needed. You know? Right.

1276
00:45:19,949 --> 00:45:22,609
This was used primarily to subsidize fuel,

1277
00:45:23,389 --> 00:45:25,469
and to subsidize salaries, like, to to to

1278
00:45:25,469 --> 00:45:27,550
go and then provide salaries to people, and

1279
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:29,150
they needed to do that. And like you

1280
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:29,969
said, look,

1281
00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:32,909
there is that underlying agenda of they wanna

1282
00:45:32,909 --> 00:45:33,889
divide the territories.

1283
00:45:34,784 --> 00:45:36,864
But I think there's a fundamental difference between

1284
00:45:36,864 --> 00:45:39,425
they funded Hamas to, you know, do armed

1285
00:45:39,425 --> 00:45:40,804
action against them versus

1286
00:45:42,065 --> 00:45:44,085
they have a strategy to divide the Palestinians,

1287
00:45:44,545 --> 00:45:46,304
and they, like and they wanna keep them

1288
00:45:46,304 --> 00:45:48,065
at bay. Maybe they want them to fight

1289
00:45:48,065 --> 00:45:49,699
each other, but they don't really want to

1290
00:45:49,699 --> 00:45:52,099
endorse something that's gonna fight them unless they

1291
00:45:52,099 --> 00:45:53,559
could control that completely.

1292
00:45:53,859 --> 00:45:55,780
Yeah. And they can control the direction of

1293
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:56,280
it.

1294
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:57,719
And so,

1295
00:45:58,179 --> 00:46:00,739
that's that's where I diverge. They have their

1296
00:46:00,739 --> 00:46:02,500
agendas. They're not gonna let this money come

1297
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:04,119
in for a reason. You know? Right.

1298
00:46:04,875 --> 00:46:05,375
But,

1299
00:46:05,755 --> 00:46:08,315
yeah. Like, the way that I sort of,

1300
00:46:08,315 --> 00:46:10,815
like, diverge from the view that's taken,

1301
00:46:11,275 --> 00:46:13,534
by many, like, it's a popular view.

1302
00:46:14,315 --> 00:46:16,875
And it's fruit, like, I think understanding the

1303
00:46:16,875 --> 00:46:17,375
nuances,

1304
00:46:18,329 --> 00:46:20,170
and doing a lot of reading and research

1305
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:23,369
and interviews with, officials as well that come

1306
00:46:23,369 --> 00:46:25,289
to the position where I'm at. And I

1307
00:46:25,289 --> 00:46:27,210
hope I outlined that as well as I

1308
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:28,190
possibly can.

1309
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:30,090
You still may not agree with me, and

1310
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:31,864
that's completely fine. But No. I think we're

1311
00:46:31,864 --> 00:46:33,065
saying the same thing, to be quite honest.

1312
00:46:33,065 --> 00:46:34,184
I just think what what the end of

1313
00:46:34,184 --> 00:46:36,425
the day, it is nuance about whether the

1314
00:46:36,425 --> 00:46:38,184
intention and I that's the thing is I'm

1315
00:46:38,184 --> 00:46:40,184
in no way arguing intention in any way.

1316
00:46:40,184 --> 00:46:41,625
Just really that you put money in the

1317
00:46:41,625 --> 00:46:43,065
hands of Hamas, they're gonna do what they

1318
00:46:43,065 --> 00:46:44,489
want with that money. And that very well

1319
00:46:44,489 --> 00:46:46,250
could be any number of things including arm

1320
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:47,849
resistance. You know? So depends on how you

1321
00:46:47,929 --> 00:46:49,369
at the end of the day, I just

1322
00:46:49,369 --> 00:46:51,050
have of the mind that you can clearly

1323
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:52,730
prove that they had the intention to put

1324
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:55,210
money in their hands as they stated to

1325
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:56,890
keep that division going, and that could mean

1326
00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:58,570
any number of things including what we just

1327
00:46:58,570 --> 00:47:00,445
saw take place. You know? So it's worth

1328
00:47:00,445 --> 00:47:02,204
considering all that. So I what I think

1329
00:47:02,204 --> 00:47:03,565
is important to note as well is that

1330
00:47:03,565 --> 00:47:05,804
in no way, regardless of whether every single

1331
00:47:05,804 --> 00:47:07,664
person in Hamas is working for Netanyahu,

1332
00:47:08,045 --> 00:47:09,885
does that undermine the legal act of armed

1333
00:47:09,885 --> 00:47:12,800
resistance of anybody, any group in in Gaza.

1334
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:14,219
Right? So that's that's one point you could

1335
00:47:14,219 --> 00:47:15,579
push back on if people think that's, like,

1336
00:47:15,579 --> 00:47:17,599
a surreptitious argument to undermine

1337
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:20,059
that Hamas or anybody else had the right

1338
00:47:20,059 --> 00:47:22,140
to act against Israel. That's and because it

1339
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:23,760
is. It's the as you know, the legal

1340
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:26,239
act of armed resistance for any occupied territory.

1341
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:28,644
That's important to note. But I also think

1342
00:47:28,885 --> 00:47:31,204
sorry to linger on this point so much.

1343
00:47:31,204 --> 00:47:32,565
But I also think that,

1344
00:47:33,444 --> 00:47:35,924
often what happens is, we take the model,

1345
00:47:35,924 --> 00:47:38,344
for instance, of, the Mujahideen in Afghanistan,

1346
00:47:39,924 --> 00:47:40,424
and,

1347
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:43,469
the CIA and MI six role in in

1348
00:47:43,469 --> 00:47:44,369
backing them,

1349
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:45,890
to fight the Soviets,

1350
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:48,269
and then all the way up to, you

1351
00:47:48,269 --> 00:47:48,769
know,

1352
00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:50,289
Al Qaeda

1353
00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:53,550
and the relationship between Osama bin Laden and,

1354
00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:55,324
you you know, the bin Laden family and

1355
00:47:55,324 --> 00:47:57,425
the Bush family and all of this history,

1356
00:47:58,204 --> 00:48:00,284
and and how that developed with, you know,

1357
00:48:00,284 --> 00:48:02,625
for instance, the Taliban and the Aida,

1358
00:48:03,405 --> 00:48:05,164
and these sort of groups and also The

1359
00:48:05,164 --> 00:48:07,105
US role in, facilitating

1360
00:48:07,724 --> 00:48:08,864
the rise of Daish,

1361
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:11,670
with, like, Kambuka and these sort of, places

1362
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:13,610
where they had these people in their detention.

1363
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:15,130
I I think this history

1364
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:18,309
has to be separated from Hamas because there's

1365
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:20,390
an enormous amount of nuance in in the

1366
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:22,090
Palestinian political arena,

1367
00:48:23,304 --> 00:48:26,505
which it's not as simple as, as depicting

1368
00:48:26,505 --> 00:48:28,364
it the way that the Mujahideen in Afghanistan

1369
00:48:28,585 --> 00:48:30,744
were depicted, for instance. Even that has some

1370
00:48:30,744 --> 00:48:32,744
nuance, of course, but it's very obvious what

1371
00:48:32,744 --> 00:48:34,905
The US agenda was there. It's very obvious

1372
00:48:34,905 --> 00:48:36,585
how it panned out and then the blowback

1373
00:48:36,585 --> 00:48:37,980
that resulted from it.

1374
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:41,179
But trying to, I don't know, model what

1375
00:48:41,179 --> 00:48:43,119
happened with what has happened with Hamas

1376
00:48:43,579 --> 00:48:45,019
on the strategy that,

1377
00:48:45,420 --> 00:48:48,320
The US and The UK implemented in Afghanistan,

1378
00:48:49,420 --> 00:48:51,820
which obviously led to Al Qaeda and these

1379
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:52,320
groups,

1380
00:48:53,655 --> 00:48:55,434
I think has a fundamental

1381
00:48:55,735 --> 00:48:57,355
flaw in in the analysis.

1382
00:48:57,735 --> 00:48:59,755
Mhmm. And so I just encourage,

1383
00:49:00,135 --> 00:49:01,035
like, you know,

1384
00:49:01,974 --> 00:49:04,215
to look at the nuance of the situation

1385
00:49:04,215 --> 00:49:06,610
because it's not as simple as that. And

1386
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:09,170
it also presents Hamas in this in this

1387
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:11,730
framing of things. It presents Hamas as being

1388
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:12,949
similar to the or

1389
00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:16,050
Daesh, and these sort of groups who are,

1390
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:16,784
you know,

1391
00:49:17,744 --> 00:49:18,244
internationalist

1392
00:49:19,105 --> 00:49:21,184
extremist groups. They they have an agenda to

1393
00:49:21,184 --> 00:49:23,105
take over, you know this is their ideology

1394
00:49:23,105 --> 00:49:25,025
to take over the entire world, right, and

1395
00:49:25,025 --> 00:49:27,525
create a system which they impose upon people,

1396
00:49:27,905 --> 00:49:30,385
and sort of kill anybody anybody that deposes

1397
00:49:30,385 --> 00:49:33,170
them. Whereas Hamas is a self described national

1398
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:36,449
liberation organization Right. And it's focused inside the

1399
00:49:36,449 --> 00:49:37,670
borders of Palestine.

1400
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:40,130
It doesn't give a damn for anything going

1401
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:42,609
on really, beyond that. It might, you know,

1402
00:49:42,609 --> 00:49:45,174
offer its, you know, opinions on things. But

1403
00:49:45,174 --> 00:49:46,454
at the end of the day, it's focused

1404
00:49:46,454 --> 00:49:49,574
in occupied Palestine. And it's a Palestinian political

1405
00:49:49,574 --> 00:49:50,074
entity,

1406
00:49:50,375 --> 00:49:52,714
so it's not the same as, like, using

1407
00:49:53,414 --> 00:49:55,994
like, when we're talking about, you know, these,

1408
00:49:56,375 --> 00:49:58,074
power plays and and the manipulation

1409
00:49:58,934 --> 00:50:01,000
from the Israeli side, and it it is

1410
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,680
a little bit more nuance than looking at,

1411
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,320
you know, the development of of Ida or,

1412
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,960
of one of these groups. Absolutely agree. But

1413
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,640
I you could all you could argue that

1414
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,800
that difference could be rooted in the fact

1415
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,720
that Hamas just did not go the same.

1416
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:15,260
You know, like, you wonder whether

1417
00:50:15,735 --> 00:50:17,494
after like, if there was some kind of,

1418
00:50:17,494 --> 00:50:18,715
like, direct influence,

1419
00:50:19,015 --> 00:50:20,795
control even, which people argue,

1420
00:50:21,255 --> 00:50:23,595
that you wonder whether that changed simply because

1421
00:50:23,894 --> 00:50:26,775
this is a different nationalistic focused discussion, and

1422
00:50:26,775 --> 00:50:29,115
all that Israel's continued to do in Gaza

1423
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:31,390
has led to more people joining and younger

1424
00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:33,550
people coming into it, which, you know, could

1425
00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:36,030
drastically change the momentum of this group to

1426
00:50:36,030 --> 00:50:38,030
where now it is, you know, not something

1427
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:39,949
that is influenced or controlled from before. You

1428
00:50:39,949 --> 00:50:41,230
know, the point is we don't know. The

1429
00:50:41,230 --> 00:50:42,750
end all we know is that the money

1430
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:44,110
had been given and so on, and you're

1431
00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:45,764
right to highlight that it's a very different

1432
00:50:45,764 --> 00:50:47,684
thing than some of these groups that are

1433
00:50:47,764 --> 00:50:49,844
even arguably, like, even insight coming from Saudi

1434
00:50:49,844 --> 00:50:51,684
Arabian leadership to argue that some of the

1435
00:50:51,684 --> 00:50:53,605
heads of these groups don't even believe the

1436
00:50:53,605 --> 00:50:55,764
religious mindset that they push on everybody else.

1437
00:50:55,764 --> 00:50:57,284
You know? So there's a very different I'm

1438
00:50:57,284 --> 00:50:59,070
glad you make that point. Very different things.

1439
00:50:59,150 --> 00:51:00,910
But let let's let's get into the idea

1440
00:51:00,910 --> 00:51:03,070
of what what's going on on the ground.

1441
00:51:03,070 --> 00:51:04,989
Well, let let's let's finish by, you know,

1442
00:51:04,989 --> 00:51:07,789
Gaza, Lebanon, Syria. Give give the audience the

1443
00:51:07,789 --> 00:51:09,650
update on where we are right now because,

1444
00:51:09,789 --> 00:51:11,789
you know, it's it's actually it's actually I

1445
00:51:11,789 --> 00:51:14,264
mean, it's almost disgusting. It is disgusting that

1446
00:51:14,424 --> 00:51:16,585
how many churches have been bombed, how many

1447
00:51:16,585 --> 00:51:18,744
hospitals have been bombed, how many, you know,

1448
00:51:18,744 --> 00:51:20,744
tents and groupings where just people, like, oh,

1449
00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:22,184
was that the story we saw yesterday? No.

1450
00:51:22,184 --> 00:51:23,385
That's the that's a new one. It happens

1451
00:51:23,385 --> 00:51:24,924
every day. You know, it's like this nonstop

1452
00:51:25,065 --> 00:51:27,784
thing. It just kinda becomes background noise for

1453
00:51:27,784 --> 00:51:29,109
a lot of people. And I'm trying to

1454
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:30,389
fight against that to be like, you know,

1455
00:51:30,389 --> 00:51:32,309
this is this is something that needs constant

1456
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:34,150
daily attention. You know, what's going on there?

1457
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:36,469
So let's start with Gaza. And, you know,

1458
00:51:36,469 --> 00:51:37,829
I know it's a a lot to get

1459
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:39,510
into, and there's a thousand things we could

1460
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:41,449
talk about, but kind of a a concise

1461
00:51:41,590 --> 00:51:44,125
overview of where Gaza is right now in

1462
00:51:44,125 --> 00:51:45,565
the context of what Israel is trying to

1463
00:51:45,565 --> 00:51:47,505
accomplish and their fight to stop it.

1464
00:51:47,964 --> 00:51:51,404
Well, Gaza is being starved. That's the policy

1465
00:51:51,404 --> 00:51:53,505
right now. Israel doesn't really have a coherent

1466
00:51:53,565 --> 00:51:54,065
military

1467
00:51:54,364 --> 00:51:56,764
strategy. They keep talking about this strategy and

1468
00:51:56,764 --> 00:51:58,210
that strategy, and gonna do this and they're

1469
00:51:58,210 --> 00:51:59,090
gonna do that.

1470
00:51:59,410 --> 00:52:02,050
They put their troops into around 65%

1471
00:52:02,050 --> 00:52:03,890
of the Gaza Strip, which is, like, all

1472
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:06,130
of the open areas essentially away from the

1473
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:08,849
built up areas where population centers, like, well,

1474
00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:10,150
now the the population,

1475
00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:11,750
is centered.

1476
00:52:13,425 --> 00:52:13,925
And,

1477
00:52:14,385 --> 00:52:16,785
you know, they're talking about remaining. They're talking

1478
00:52:16,785 --> 00:52:19,664
about, you know, ethnic cleansing. They're talking about

1479
00:52:19,664 --> 00:52:20,724
all these different strategies,

1480
00:52:21,184 --> 00:52:23,344
you know, taking the northward, taking the south,

1481
00:52:23,344 --> 00:52:23,844
and,

1482
00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:26,625
all of these different, strategies they have. Really,

1483
00:52:26,625 --> 00:52:28,565
what they're doing is they're starving Gaza.

1484
00:52:29,319 --> 00:52:31,319
You know, it it was calculated that these

1485
00:52:31,319 --> 00:52:33,159
supplies that are left in Gaza after three

1486
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,019
months, they will completely be out.

1487
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,319
There will there will be nothing left, and

1488
00:52:37,319 --> 00:52:39,260
the people will just completely starve.

1489
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,535
And so now we're into a week eight

1490
00:52:42,535 --> 00:52:44,934
of nothing being allowed into the Gaza Strip.

1491
00:52:44,934 --> 00:52:45,994
So this is a manufacturing

1492
00:52:46,454 --> 00:52:48,695
of a full scale famine against the Gaza

1493
00:52:48,695 --> 00:52:51,255
Strip. That's basically the pressure tactic they're they're

1494
00:52:51,255 --> 00:52:52,074
putting in place.

1495
00:52:52,855 --> 00:52:54,855
Things may check change within the next few

1496
00:52:54,855 --> 00:52:56,940
weeks because of the political circumstance on the

1497
00:52:56,940 --> 00:52:58,380
Israeli side. I'm going to get into that

1498
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:00,719
so much. But we're looking at a situation

1499
00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:02,880
that that and this is important to note.

1500
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:04,539
What they do in Gaza and what they

1501
00:53:04,539 --> 00:53:07,199
get away with in Gaza, they are pushing,

1502
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:08,719
you know,

1503
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:11,835
that barrier back and back and back in

1504
00:53:11,835 --> 00:53:13,054
terms of what's internationally

1505
00:53:13,515 --> 00:53:15,594
acceptable Right. For any force to do to

1506
00:53:15,594 --> 00:53:16,735
a civilian population.

1507
00:53:17,114 --> 00:53:19,215
At the start of the conflict, you'll remember

1508
00:53:19,434 --> 00:53:22,400
that when, Yoav Gallant, the defense minister, came

1509
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,480
out and said nothing's coming into Gaza. No

1510
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,420
electricity, food, water, aid, nothing.

1511
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,360
That created a huge stir. And even, you

1512
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,660
know, the Biden administration

1513
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,380
had to lie and had to obfuscate,

1514
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,775
and and it had to, in in the

1515
00:53:35,775 --> 00:53:38,255
end, pressure the Israelis to let a little

1516
00:53:38,255 --> 00:53:40,255
bit of aid to come in to say,

1517
00:53:40,255 --> 00:53:42,114
no. At least we're letting something in.

1518
00:53:42,894 --> 00:53:43,394
Now

1519
00:53:43,695 --> 00:53:45,795
there's not even a need for that anymore

1520
00:53:45,934 --> 00:53:48,494
because they've pushed that back, that that need,

1521
00:53:48,494 --> 00:53:49,234
that that,

1522
00:53:50,369 --> 00:53:51,150
you know, legal,

1523
00:53:51,849 --> 00:53:53,130
basis or that,

1524
00:53:54,010 --> 00:53:57,050
that, you know, moral barrier that that we

1525
00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:57,550
collectively,

1526
00:53:59,050 --> 00:54:00,510
on this planet accept.

1527
00:54:01,530 --> 00:54:04,269
And so the same comes for these executions

1528
00:54:04,934 --> 00:54:05,255
of,

1529
00:54:05,735 --> 00:54:08,155
the medical workers that we saw,

1530
00:54:08,454 --> 00:54:11,094
the assassination of journalists. You know, this conflict,

1531
00:54:11,094 --> 00:54:12,795
it's killed more journalists

1532
00:54:13,335 --> 00:54:15,735
than were murdered in World War two and

1533
00:54:15,735 --> 00:54:17,275
the Vietnam War combined.

1534
00:54:17,619 --> 00:54:19,780
Right. That's how many journalists we're talking about.

1535
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:21,859
Just in Gaza alone, out of Gaza's small

1536
00:54:21,859 --> 00:54:24,739
population, nothing compared to the populations who are

1537
00:54:24,739 --> 00:54:25,239
involved,

1538
00:54:26,019 --> 00:54:26,519
overall

1539
00:54:26,980 --> 00:54:28,820
in World War two and and and in

1540
00:54:28,820 --> 00:54:29,320
Vietnam.

1541
00:54:30,255 --> 00:54:33,614
Just in Gaza. Right? More journalists. What it's

1542
00:54:33,614 --> 00:54:36,335
it's the most, the the most deadly war

1543
00:54:36,335 --> 00:54:37,074
for journalists

1544
00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:40,174
on record, the most deadly war for medical

1545
00:54:40,174 --> 00:54:40,674
workers.

1546
00:54:41,775 --> 00:54:43,714
And this is the the issue that

1547
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,039
we cannot see this in isolation that is

1548
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:48,760
just occurring there because now, you know, with

1549
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,239
all the horrors that we've seen inflicted on

1550
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:51,739
Gaza,

1551
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:53,719
we're seeing it every single day, so we're

1552
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,219
becoming

1553
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:55,019
desensitized.

1554
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,515
Right. And then in The United States or

1555
00:54:57,515 --> 00:54:58,335
in The United

1556
00:54:58,954 --> 00:54:59,934
Kingdom or in Germany,

1557
00:55:00,555 --> 00:55:02,555
then, you know, the authorities can come and

1558
00:55:02,555 --> 00:55:04,555
crack down on you. Okay. The Israelis use

1559
00:55:04,555 --> 00:55:07,275
it as an justification because somebody, you know,

1560
00:55:07,275 --> 00:55:09,515
expressed a pro Palestine sentiment. They said something

1561
00:55:09,515 --> 00:55:11,994
online. Here is the evidence that this person

1562
00:55:11,994 --> 00:55:13,920
is Hamas now. So let's accuse this person

1563
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,440
of Hamas and put them in a detention

1564
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,839
center. Let's accuse this person of being Hamas,

1565
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,079
and let's arrest them. Let's accuse this person

1566
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,079
of being Hamas and bring a legal case

1567
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,639
against them. Real quick. Can't miss the overlap

1568
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:26,000
to what's happening in this country right now.

1569
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,039
We don't have to get into that, but

1570
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:28,954
just recognize that that's your government doing the

1571
00:55:28,954 --> 00:55:31,514
same thing to people, whether American citizens or

1572
00:55:31,514 --> 00:55:33,355
not, and saying, you're this, you're a terrorist,

1573
00:55:33,355 --> 00:55:34,875
going on you know, sending to a a

1574
00:55:34,875 --> 00:55:36,574
foreign gulag, so please continue.

1575
00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:38,635
And and that's exactly what it is. The

1576
00:55:38,635 --> 00:55:40,715
Israelis started this. At the start, you know,

1577
00:55:40,715 --> 00:55:42,715
again, their propaganda, even though it was all

1578
00:55:42,715 --> 00:55:44,094
lies, it was a bit more sophisticated.

1579
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:46,699
You know, I remember writing pieces as well,

1580
00:55:46,699 --> 00:55:48,000
and we discussed the,

1581
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:50,139
the the topics. Like, for instance, the bombing

1582
00:55:50,139 --> 00:55:52,139
of the Al Ahli Hospital. That was a

1583
00:55:52,139 --> 00:55:53,820
big one at the start where Israel bombed

1584
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:55,659
the hospital. It's very obvious that they bombed

1585
00:55:55,659 --> 00:55:59,179
it, but they've created all this propaganda, fake

1586
00:55:59,179 --> 00:56:00,079
so called Hamas

1587
00:56:00,414 --> 00:56:02,894
phone calls and doctor videos that they put

1588
00:56:02,894 --> 00:56:05,534
in and all of these contradicting stories which

1589
00:56:05,534 --> 00:56:06,734
they put out to try and say that

1590
00:56:06,734 --> 00:56:08,654
Islam actually had fire a rocket and somehow

1591
00:56:08,654 --> 00:56:10,434
it caused this massacre in a hospital.

1592
00:56:11,134 --> 00:56:11,875
And so

1593
00:56:12,255 --> 00:56:13,934
they they tried to, like, cover it and

1594
00:56:13,934 --> 00:56:16,300
hide it. And, you know, everything they're doing,

1595
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:18,219
oh, there's Hamas. They have a list of

1596
00:56:18,219 --> 00:56:20,380
this and that, and there's a here's a

1597
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:22,219
machine gun that I found in the they

1598
00:56:22,219 --> 00:56:24,699
don't even bother doing that anymore. And the

1599
00:56:24,699 --> 00:56:27,119
problem here that we have is Israel

1600
00:56:27,579 --> 00:56:30,965
simply needs to do one thing. They just

1601
00:56:30,965 --> 00:56:32,824
accuse somebody of being Hamas.

1602
00:56:33,364 --> 00:56:35,765
Right? No evidence at all needed to be

1603
00:56:35,765 --> 00:56:36,265
presented.

1604
00:56:36,724 --> 00:56:40,164
And now the media doesn't investigate it. The

1605
00:56:40,164 --> 00:56:43,045
governments around the world don't question it. Nobody

1606
00:56:43,045 --> 00:56:44,405
says a thing. They're just like, oh, yeah.

1607
00:56:44,405 --> 00:56:46,630
He's Hamas. Okay. Alright. And they killed him

1608
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:49,190
because Hamas it doesn't matter that this Hamas

1609
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:51,530
militant was a four year old child.

1610
00:56:51,989 --> 00:56:54,170
Right? Or a baby in a cot.

1611
00:56:54,469 --> 00:56:57,110
Right? And the the father standing next to

1612
00:56:57,110 --> 00:56:59,190
him was, you know, somebody that was clearly

1613
00:56:59,190 --> 00:57:01,764
a civilian. That doesn't matter because Israel just

1614
00:57:01,764 --> 00:57:04,085
said it. And that's the problem now. The

1615
00:57:04,085 --> 00:57:06,565
media doesn't interrogate it anymore. They don't even

1616
00:57:06,565 --> 00:57:08,885
question it. They don't even pose a question

1617
00:57:08,885 --> 00:57:11,204
maybe, but we're waiting for the evidence like

1618
00:57:11,204 --> 00:57:12,804
they did before. They'd still try and hide

1619
00:57:12,804 --> 00:57:15,125
it Mhmm. That Israel did this purposefully, and

1620
00:57:15,125 --> 00:57:16,989
it's very obvious, but they at least try

1621
00:57:16,989 --> 00:57:17,969
to, like, you know,

1622
00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:20,510
interrogate the claim a little bit or, you

1623
00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:21,950
know, say, oh, we don't know a hundred

1624
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:23,630
percent. We're not sure. But it needs to

1625
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:26,590
be investigated. Israel's investigating itself. Well, that's not

1626
00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:28,670
even needed anymore. We're not even at that

1627
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:30,750
point anymore. So you can imagine for The

1628
00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:33,505
United States now, while the Trump administration goes,

1629
00:57:33,505 --> 00:57:35,525
Mahmoud Khalil is a Hamas supporter.

1630
00:57:36,144 --> 00:57:37,605
He's Hamas. Shalom.

1631
00:57:37,905 --> 00:57:39,664
We're gonna take you and put you in

1632
00:57:39,664 --> 00:57:42,224
a detention, and we're going to, deport you

1633
00:57:42,224 --> 00:57:44,144
even though you have a green card and

1634
00:57:44,144 --> 00:57:45,905
your wife is a US citizen and you

1635
00:57:45,905 --> 00:57:47,409
have a baby on the way. We're gonna

1636
00:57:47,409 --> 00:57:48,150
get plainclothes,

1637
00:57:48,849 --> 00:57:49,909
ice ice officers

1638
00:57:50,289 --> 00:57:53,110
to come and abduct you because you're Hamas.

1639
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:55,730
But you look at whether there's any evidence

1640
00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:58,130
that he has any affiliation with Hamas. No.

1641
00:57:58,130 --> 00:58:00,325
Of course, he doesn't have any. And even,

1642
00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:02,565
Canary Mission, which tried to do the deepest

1643
00:58:02,565 --> 00:58:04,485
dive I saw to try and pull out

1644
00:58:04,485 --> 00:58:06,244
evidence on him to try and frame him

1645
00:58:06,244 --> 00:58:07,765
as Hamas. Do you know the only piece

1646
00:58:07,765 --> 00:58:09,525
of evidence they found to frame him as

1647
00:58:09,525 --> 00:58:11,224
as his support of Hamas?

1648
00:58:11,684 --> 00:58:13,385
When I looked at, at their website,

1649
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:15,610
he was in a protest

1650
00:58:16,469 --> 00:58:18,630
where somebody next to him was chanting from

1651
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:20,230
the river to the sea, Palestine will be

1652
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:21,989
free. And then they said, that is a

1653
00:58:21,989 --> 00:58:24,250
quote that has been used by Hamas officials

1654
00:58:24,469 --> 00:58:26,815
to mean the eradication of his that's the

1655
00:58:26,815 --> 00:58:28,894
Hamas support that they said, and they don't

1656
00:58:28,894 --> 00:58:31,394
have any evidence. He hasn't committed a crime.

1657
00:58:31,775 --> 00:58:33,555
He's exercising free speech.

1658
00:58:34,255 --> 00:58:37,535
This is something that is enshrined by the

1659
00:58:37,535 --> 00:58:40,114
constitution and the very being of what America

1660
00:58:40,175 --> 00:58:41,949
is supposed to be. Right? You have freedom

1661
00:58:41,949 --> 00:58:43,230
of speech. They are allowed to voice your

1662
00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:45,869
opinion. Even if everyone hates those opinions, you're

1663
00:58:45,869 --> 00:58:48,030
allowed to say it. But it doesn't matter

1664
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:49,570
anymore because, again,

1665
00:58:50,110 --> 00:58:52,030
Israel said this guy's hamast, they can kill

1666
00:58:52,030 --> 00:58:54,910
him and 20 other people next to him.

1667
00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:57,335
Doesn't matter If he's a journalist and they

1668
00:58:57,335 --> 00:58:59,014
killed, you know, women and children next to

1669
00:58:59,014 --> 00:59:01,014
him, they accused him of being Hamas. And

1670
00:59:01,014 --> 00:59:03,014
now in The United States, they accuse you

1671
00:59:03,014 --> 00:59:05,014
of being Hamas. They accuse you of being

1672
00:59:05,014 --> 00:59:05,675
an antisemite.

1673
00:59:06,295 --> 00:59:08,775
And suddenly, then they can persecute you. They

1674
00:59:08,775 --> 00:59:09,335
can take you,

1675
00:59:10,070 --> 00:59:11,610
to court and this endlessly.

1676
00:59:11,989 --> 00:59:13,769
They can kick you out of the country.

1677
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:17,590
They can send you to, some, facility. And

1678
00:59:17,590 --> 00:59:19,829
now it's getting even worse because we have

1679
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:21,909
this case of, like, now Trump talking about

1680
00:59:21,909 --> 00:59:22,730
putting people,

1681
00:59:23,204 --> 00:59:25,765
you know, US citizens in El Salvador. Right.

1682
00:59:25,765 --> 00:59:27,364
I don't know whether that's gonna happen or

1683
00:59:27,364 --> 00:59:29,844
not, but it's scary because who are they

1684
00:59:29,844 --> 00:59:32,485
gonna come after? They're gonna come after political

1685
00:59:32,485 --> 00:59:35,125
dissidents. And, again, when the Israelis get away

1686
00:59:35,125 --> 00:59:37,030
with this and I'll give you an example

1687
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:39,829
of how bad this is. When Israel assassinated

1688
00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:42,210
the secretary general of,

1689
00:59:42,609 --> 00:59:45,570
Hezbollah, Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, they openly admitted that

1690
00:59:45,570 --> 00:59:47,969
they estimated 300 people were killed in that

1691
00:59:47,969 --> 00:59:48,469
airstrike.

1692
00:59:48,855 --> 00:59:50,695
I don't know if you even heard that

1693
00:59:50,695 --> 00:59:52,934
300 people were killed in that airstrike. Most

1694
00:59:52,934 --> 00:59:54,614
people, when I tell them that 300 people

1695
00:59:54,614 --> 00:59:56,215
were killed, they're shocked. They're the I didn't

1696
00:59:56,215 --> 00:59:58,135
hear about how many people were killed. Israel

1697
00:59:58,135 --> 01:00:00,695
openly said we estimated 300 people would be

1698
01:00:00,695 --> 01:00:02,234
killed. Why is this significant?

1699
01:00:02,534 --> 01:00:04,155
Because Joe Biden endorsed

1700
01:00:05,219 --> 01:00:06,119
that assassination.

1701
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:08,280
He he praised

1702
01:00:08,579 --> 01:00:09,400
that assassination.

1703
01:00:10,099 --> 01:00:12,920
Let's zoom back to the early two thousands

1704
01:00:13,539 --> 01:00:14,039
when,

1705
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:15,960
Israel assassinated

1706
01:00:16,579 --> 01:00:17,320
the head

1707
01:00:17,934 --> 01:00:19,474
of Hamas, Ahmed Yacine.

1708
01:00:20,094 --> 01:00:22,835
Ahmed Yacine, I believe seven civilians were killed

1709
01:00:22,894 --> 01:00:25,135
when Ahmed Yacine was killed. I believe it's

1710
01:00:25,135 --> 01:00:26,734
seven civilians. It might be a little bit

1711
01:00:26,734 --> 01:00:28,974
more, from my memory of seven civilians. The

1712
01:00:28,974 --> 01:00:29,714
Bush administration

1713
01:00:30,014 --> 01:00:32,829
slammed Israel. They condemned Israel because of them

1714
01:00:32,829 --> 01:00:35,230
killing civilians along with Ahmed Yassin. Right. Right.

1715
01:00:35,230 --> 01:00:37,469
And an indiscriminate bombing of a densely populated

1716
01:00:37,469 --> 01:00:38,449
civilian area.

1717
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:41,550
Now 300 people can be incinerated in an

1718
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:42,690
entire city block,

1719
01:00:42,989 --> 01:00:45,230
and the United States government endorses it. And

1720
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:46,210
that's not Trump.

1721
01:00:46,764 --> 01:00:47,905
That's Joe Biden.

1722
01:00:48,204 --> 01:00:51,105
Trump now, with his backing from Miriam Adelson,

1723
01:00:51,244 --> 01:00:53,644
his number one donor, and all of these,

1724
01:00:53,804 --> 01:00:56,445
you know, lobby groups behind him, now is

1725
01:00:56,445 --> 01:00:59,070
even more extreme than Biden was. And now

1726
01:00:59,070 --> 01:01:01,230
we're looking at it's coming back to The

1727
01:01:01,230 --> 01:01:03,070
United States. You know, the the old saying

1728
01:01:03,070 --> 01:01:04,989
of, you know, the chicken has come home

1729
01:01:04,989 --> 01:01:06,210
to roost. Right.

1730
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:09,789
What's happening is what you do overseas comes

1731
01:01:09,789 --> 01:01:11,885
back to bite you, and that is what

1732
01:01:11,885 --> 01:01:13,965
happening now because this has been allowed to

1733
01:01:13,965 --> 01:01:14,465
happen

1734
01:01:14,844 --> 01:01:17,005
from their side. Then it doesn't just give

1735
01:01:17,005 --> 01:01:19,505
The United States free reign to do this,

1736
01:01:19,565 --> 01:01:20,864
what, to their own citizens

1737
01:01:21,164 --> 01:01:23,324
or in other countries and new conflicts that

1738
01:01:23,324 --> 01:01:25,079
they commit. Now they can raise the bar

1739
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:27,019
of how many civilians they're allowed to kill.

1740
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:29,480
We're now talking about other countries can do

1741
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,440
the same thing. What's stopping another country? Let's

1742
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,599
say, like, Russia wants to take out a

1743
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:37,704
high level target now. Right? Before, they might

1744
01:01:37,704 --> 01:01:40,364
go, okay. There's there's five civilians there.

1745
01:01:42,264 --> 01:01:44,025
No. It's not a good idea. Let's try

1746
01:01:44,025 --> 01:01:45,005
and get that guy

1747
01:01:45,304 --> 01:01:46,764
when they're not around civilians.

1748
01:01:47,065 --> 01:01:47,565
Now

1749
01:01:47,864 --> 01:01:50,425
Israel can kill 300 civilians and take down

1750
01:01:50,425 --> 01:01:52,764
an entire city block to kill one person.

1751
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,300
Well Insane.

1752
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:56,980
They're not gonna think about

1753
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,099
300,

1754
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:58,900
five,

1755
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,260
kill them. That's that's the decision making process

1756
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,640
because I'm not saying that, you know, Russia

1757
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,739
would adopt that or China would adopt that,

1758
01:02:06,934 --> 01:02:09,094
but it will happen in some sense. Right.

1759
01:02:09,094 --> 01:02:11,434
It does enable that sort of action because

1760
01:02:11,894 --> 01:02:13,894
there's certain threshold that when you pass it,

1761
01:02:13,894 --> 01:02:15,574
it's like the use of nuclear weapons. Right.

1762
01:02:15,574 --> 01:02:17,434
It's the same concept with nuclear weapons.

1763
01:02:17,894 --> 01:02:18,715
Once you've,

1764
01:02:19,255 --> 01:02:20,155
passed that threshold,

1765
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:21,500
there's no going

1766
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:23,420
back. And that's how it's

1767
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:24,539
linked

1768
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,400
to what's going on in The United States.

1769
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,480
And a good example is Netanyahu and and,

1770
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,900
in fact, others, by the way, other authoritarian

1771
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,119
despotic countries do the same because they're taking

1772
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:35,804
cues. But Netanyahu more than once has said,

1773
01:02:35,804 --> 01:02:37,085
well, look at what you guys did in

1774
01:02:37,085 --> 01:02:39,244
Iraq. Now you're gonna accuse accuse me of

1775
01:02:39,324 --> 01:02:40,605
you know? And that's the point right there.

1776
01:02:40,605 --> 01:02:42,525
You you open that door. You allow that

1777
01:02:42,525 --> 01:02:45,005
become normal, or they, through their own actions,

1778
01:02:45,005 --> 01:02:46,684
drive that into becoming the thing they then

1779
01:02:46,684 --> 01:02:49,164
point to. You know? Either way, manufacturing it

1780
01:02:49,164 --> 01:02:50,525
or not, then now we're at a point

1781
01:02:50,525 --> 01:02:52,390
where you're like I like we were saying

1782
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:53,989
in the beginning where it's just becoming like,

1783
01:02:53,989 --> 01:02:55,670
you know, like the Ollie Hospital, but now

1784
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:57,510
there's not even a narrative anymore for why

1785
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:59,150
those are happening. I was gonna say when

1786
01:02:59,349 --> 01:03:01,030
I I forget if it was Shefa or

1787
01:03:01,190 --> 01:03:02,789
no. It was one of the refugee camps,

1788
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:04,469
and I'm blanking on which one. But where

1789
01:03:04,550 --> 01:03:05,429
and I think it might be the one

1790
01:03:05,429 --> 01:03:07,904
you're referencing with 300 people, where Wolf Blitzer,

1791
01:03:08,924 --> 01:03:11,005
live on the air, was confronted with that.

1792
01:03:11,005 --> 01:03:13,085
Do you remember that? Where he literally brought

1793
01:03:13,085 --> 01:03:15,484
it up and he couldn't swallow that. Like,

1794
01:03:15,484 --> 01:03:17,964
three you there civilians? Like, he couldn't and

1795
01:03:17,964 --> 01:03:19,565
it was just, like, this moment where you

1796
01:03:19,565 --> 01:03:21,869
recognized even the corporate media was having a

1797
01:03:21,869 --> 01:03:23,789
hard time swallowing the idea that you killed

1798
01:03:23,789 --> 01:03:25,789
300 innocent people to go after one person

1799
01:03:25,789 --> 01:03:27,569
that turned out to not even be there.

1800
01:03:27,630 --> 01:03:29,469
You know? That's another case of them killing

1801
01:03:29,469 --> 01:03:31,549
300 people. Right. I was referring to what

1802
01:03:31,549 --> 01:03:33,549
they did in Lebanon. Okay. Right. This is

1803
01:03:33,549 --> 01:03:35,389
another they've they've There you go. They've done

1804
01:03:35,389 --> 01:03:38,005
this so many times. And even not only

1805
01:03:38,005 --> 01:03:39,445
this case, and you were saying about Wolf

1806
01:03:39,445 --> 01:03:41,925
Blitzer. And Wolf Blitzer is an APAC guy.

1807
01:03:41,925 --> 01:03:44,485
Right. Right. Even for him, he's sitting there,

1808
01:03:44,485 --> 01:03:46,244
and in his mind, he's been a journalist

1809
01:03:46,244 --> 01:03:48,184
for a very long time. He's, you know,

1810
01:03:48,724 --> 01:03:50,565
he's he's a veteran of, you know, this

1811
01:03:50,565 --> 01:03:53,090
propaganda game. He knows, you know,

1812
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:54,050
the rules,

1813
01:03:54,590 --> 01:03:55,789
of the game, and he knows the rules

1814
01:03:55,789 --> 01:03:58,050
of engagement for conflicts, armed conflict.

1815
01:03:58,510 --> 01:03:59,650
300 people

1816
01:04:00,030 --> 01:04:02,829
being eliminated in a single strike who had

1817
01:04:02,829 --> 01:04:05,010
nothing to do with the alleged

1818
01:04:05,309 --> 01:04:05,809
target,

1819
01:04:06,135 --> 01:04:07,655
and then you don't even know. And I

1820
01:04:07,655 --> 01:04:09,175
remember, he said, did you even get the

1821
01:04:09,175 --> 01:04:11,014
guy? And they said, oh, we can't confirm

1822
01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:11,514
that.

1823
01:04:11,974 --> 01:04:12,795
That's insane.

1824
01:04:13,094 --> 01:04:14,695
Did the strike? That was a that was

1825
01:04:14,695 --> 01:04:16,534
a shifting moment like you're talking about. From

1826
01:04:16,534 --> 01:04:18,855
that point forward, that got a little easier

1827
01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:20,934
for them. Right? And that's the disgusting reality

1828
01:04:20,934 --> 01:04:22,269
of this. And, you know, I mean, I

1829
01:04:22,269 --> 01:04:23,469
I think this is a good place to

1830
01:04:23,469 --> 01:04:25,150
leave it only because I really want what

1831
01:04:25,150 --> 01:04:26,989
we just discussed right there to kind of

1832
01:04:26,989 --> 01:04:28,909
hang with people and discuss this, and we

1833
01:04:28,909 --> 01:04:30,509
need to do this more every week. I'd

1834
01:04:30,509 --> 01:04:31,789
like to talk to you more about this

1835
01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:33,789
especially while the writing is is, you know,

1836
01:04:33,789 --> 01:04:35,469
less than it has been for. But, you

1837
01:04:35,469 --> 01:04:37,644
know, it's it's really chilling, the connection you

1838
01:04:37,644 --> 01:04:39,164
just made there, and it's not hard to

1839
01:04:39,164 --> 01:04:41,484
see. You know? I mean, this is I

1840
01:04:41,484 --> 01:04:42,925
mean, you know, you know what's interesting is

1841
01:04:42,925 --> 01:04:45,164
this whole argument that always gets put forward

1842
01:04:45,164 --> 01:04:47,244
by the neocons or, you know, the US

1843
01:04:47,244 --> 01:04:48,925
government, Israel, you know, that it's coming to

1844
01:04:48,925 --> 01:04:50,460
you next. Right? That if you don't stop

1845
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:51,980
them, it's gonna be you next. It's like,

1846
01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:53,500
maybe that has always been a threat. You

1847
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:54,619
know what I mean? The idea is that

1848
01:04:54,619 --> 01:04:56,619
we can literally see that actually happening. The

1849
01:04:56,619 --> 01:04:58,800
very things that they are doing overseas

1850
01:04:59,099 --> 01:05:00,159
are now here.

1851
01:05:00,619 --> 01:05:03,214
Not possibly, not not a, you know, theorized

1852
01:05:03,275 --> 01:05:05,355
idea of what some memo said, like, literally

1853
01:05:05,355 --> 01:05:07,034
being shoved in your face now for the

1854
01:05:07,034 --> 01:05:09,275
fifth time. Donald Trump has floated the idea

1855
01:05:09,275 --> 01:05:11,214
of sending Americans to a foreign prison

1856
01:05:11,594 --> 01:05:14,474
for Israel. Not my opinion. That's the stated

1857
01:05:14,474 --> 01:05:16,640
reality of what's happening, and I just still

1858
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,860
can't believe we're here.

1859
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:19,920
So thank thank you for being here again

1860
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,680
today, brother. Let's do this again very soon.

1861
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,360
You know, anything you wanna leave us with

1862
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:24,640
as long as you wanna get into it.

1863
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,260
Give me your your final thoughts here.

1864
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:28,320
No. I I'd say that we're heading in

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01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:28,559
a,

1866
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:29,619
unfortunately,

1867
01:05:30,984 --> 01:05:33,304
a a very dark direction. It will take,

1868
01:05:33,625 --> 01:05:34,125
you

1869
01:05:34,505 --> 01:05:36,425
know, the will of the people to defeat

1870
01:05:36,425 --> 01:05:37,965
it. You know, historically,

1871
01:05:38,344 --> 01:05:39,164
it it takes,

1872
01:05:39,545 --> 01:05:40,125
you know,

1873
01:05:40,664 --> 01:05:43,784
popular movements, grassroots movements that have to sort

1874
01:05:43,784 --> 01:05:45,724
of fight and combat these sort of things.

1875
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,400
But, you know, at the moment, we haven't

1876
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,719
seen a big enough opposition mounted to these

1877
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:51,219
policies.

1878
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:52,500
That may change,

1879
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:54,559
and then there may be people who try

1880
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:55,860
and co opt these movements.

1881
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:00,180
But, you know, it's a very dangerous precedent

1882
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:01,300
that has been set.

1883
01:06:01,914 --> 01:06:03,835
And what they're doing in Gaza is linked

1884
01:06:03,835 --> 01:06:05,855
to everything that's happening in The United States.

1885
01:06:05,994 --> 01:06:07,594
There's no other way of seeing it. And

1886
01:06:07,594 --> 01:06:10,074
it's not just Gaza. We're talking about now

1887
01:06:10,074 --> 01:06:12,255
their, you know, threatening war with Iran.

1888
01:06:12,554 --> 01:06:14,234
Well, that's going to affect you in your

1889
01:06:14,234 --> 01:06:17,050
pockets very deeply as well over in whatever

1890
01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:19,210
western country you're in. That is going to

1891
01:06:19,210 --> 01:06:21,050
affect you if that war blows up into

1892
01:06:21,050 --> 01:06:22,670
an all out conflict with Iran.

1893
01:06:23,449 --> 01:06:25,849
You know, and they're not stopping with Gaza

1894
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:27,690
or the West Bank or even Lebanon or

1895
01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:28,429
even Syria.

1896
01:06:29,085 --> 01:06:31,565
They wanna go further. And The United States

1897
01:06:31,565 --> 01:06:34,125
is there backing this whole thing and then

1898
01:06:34,125 --> 01:06:36,525
cracking down on political dissidents, and it's not

1899
01:06:36,525 --> 01:06:37,264
just a crackdown

1900
01:06:37,965 --> 01:06:40,284
on political dissidents in United States. And it's

1901
01:06:40,284 --> 01:06:41,585
not just to do with Israel.

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01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:44,969
Like, let's let's make this very clear. They

1903
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:48,309
obviously, it's the number one target are anti

1904
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:50,309
Israel Activists. But then when they go go

1905
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:52,250
into the universities, what are they doing?

1906
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:54,469
They use the excuse if we're going after

1907
01:06:54,469 --> 01:06:57,289
DEI because they know amongst the Republican

1908
01:06:57,894 --> 01:07:00,295
voter base, DEI is not very popular at

1909
01:07:00,295 --> 01:07:03,015
all. Majority of Republican Republicans want to get

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01:07:03,015 --> 01:07:05,035
rid of it. Right? So that's their excuse.

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01:07:05,255 --> 01:07:07,175
But what do they really do? They go

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01:07:07,175 --> 01:07:09,655
into the African American studies program. They go

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01:07:09,655 --> 01:07:11,655
into the Middle East studies program. And now

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01:07:11,655 --> 01:07:12,795
we're at a point

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where

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the government

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has control

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over

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01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:20,099
university courses.

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It has control over the education

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01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,960
to such an extent that it can go,

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01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,559
I don't like that. That's critical of US

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01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,335
foreign policy. We're not putting it in there.

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01:07:28,414 --> 01:07:30,414
I don't like that. That's that's, you know,

1925
01:07:30,414 --> 01:07:32,335
will encourage people to make unions. I don't

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01:07:32,335 --> 01:07:34,094
want that. You know, whatever it is that

1927
01:07:34,094 --> 01:07:35,934
they feel is frightening. And then, also, what

1928
01:07:35,934 --> 01:07:37,855
that does is for the next administration, if

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01:07:37,855 --> 01:07:39,454
you're a Republican now and you're going, oh,

1930
01:07:39,454 --> 01:07:41,489
yeah. But Trump is doing everything I like.

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01:07:41,570 --> 01:07:42,389
Well, what happens if

1932
01:07:42,690 --> 01:07:45,489
a Democratic Party administration comes in and they

1933
01:07:45,489 --> 01:07:49,030
now have oversight over those programs? What then?

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01:07:49,489 --> 01:07:51,269
Now it's federal oversight

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01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:54,469
over your university programs and the ability

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01:07:54,844 --> 01:07:56,924
of the donor class to those and the

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01:07:56,924 --> 01:07:57,744
federal government,

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01:07:58,204 --> 01:07:59,824
who give the money to those universities

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01:08:00,204 --> 01:08:02,525
to say, we don't like this. You're gonna

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01:08:02,525 --> 01:08:04,764
do this. You're gonna implement this program. You're

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01:08:04,764 --> 01:08:06,525
gonna teach this. You're gonna teach that. You're

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01:08:06,525 --> 01:08:07,984
gonna take this out of the syllabus.

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01:08:08,289 --> 01:08:10,049
You can't say this word. You can't do

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01:08:10,049 --> 01:08:12,369
that. And that works both ways. Now a

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01:08:12,369 --> 01:08:14,769
Republican Party administration is in. So, yes, you're

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01:08:14,769 --> 01:08:17,409
getting all the Republican Party, you know, talking

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01:08:17,409 --> 01:08:19,569
points and everything and, you know, reshaping the

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01:08:19,569 --> 01:08:21,585
edge but but what happens if a Democratic

1949
01:08:21,585 --> 01:08:24,225
Party administration comes in? Right. Then you don't

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01:08:24,225 --> 01:08:25,984
get what you like. And this is the

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01:08:25,984 --> 01:08:27,765
danger because both sides,

1952
01:08:28,145 --> 01:08:30,145
if this holds and this stands and this

1953
01:08:30,145 --> 01:08:31,845
attack on academic institutions

1954
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:34,380
is going to continue, it's not going to

1955
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:36,220
end at Donald Trump. It's going to be

1956
01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:37,900
pulling out all the things the Republicans don't

1957
01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:39,340
like and then pulling out all the things

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01:08:39,340 --> 01:08:40,940
the Democrats don't like. And then at the

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01:08:40,940 --> 01:08:42,539
end of the day, you have no education

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01:08:42,539 --> 01:08:44,725
system because you can't teach anything anymore. You

1961
01:08:44,725 --> 01:08:47,284
can't say anything anymore because both sides are

1962
01:08:47,284 --> 01:08:50,344
censoring. Both sides, they talk about snowflakes and,

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01:08:50,404 --> 01:08:52,324
oh, they're, that they like to censor and

1964
01:08:52,324 --> 01:08:53,465
they don't like free speech.

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01:08:53,925 --> 01:08:55,925
Both sides are like that. They just have

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01:08:55,925 --> 01:08:58,439
different angles and there's snowflakes about different things,

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01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,279
and they have different complaints that they want

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01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,280
to silence you based upon. So

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,439
and it's all coming from an elite. It's

1970
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,520
not coming from a grassroots level. None of

1971
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:07,899
this is actually about antisemitism.

1972
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,359
Right. They couldn't give a damn about genuine

1973
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:10,859
antisemitism.

1974
01:09:11,664 --> 01:09:13,505
You know? Like, this is not something that

1975
01:09:13,505 --> 01:09:16,064
the Heritage Foundation writes an entire document on

1976
01:09:16,064 --> 01:09:18,484
how to combat anti Semitism because it actually

1977
01:09:18,545 --> 01:09:21,024
is trying to combat genuine anti Semitism. Read

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01:09:21,024 --> 01:09:23,024
the document. It's all about Israel. It's all

1979
01:09:23,024 --> 01:09:24,005
about foreign policy.

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01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:25,079
Listen to,

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01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:26,780
Palantir CEO,

1982
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,239
Alex Karp, and what he had to say

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01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:31,720
about the university encampments. He didn't oppose them

1984
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,320
just because, oh, well, they're saying some things

1985
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,000
they don't. He's saying, if we lose the

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01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,000
debate on the university campuses, we can never

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01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,000
deploy it or the US military anywhere in

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,614
the world ever again. Right. That is the

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01:09:41,614 --> 01:09:42,114
point.

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01:09:42,494 --> 01:09:44,815
So this is something that affects everyone across

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01:09:44,815 --> 01:09:46,815
the political spectrum. It's not left. It's not

1992
01:09:46,815 --> 01:09:48,895
right. It's not Republican. It's not Democrat. It

1993
01:09:48,895 --> 01:09:50,815
affects everyone at this point, and it's something

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01:09:50,815 --> 01:09:53,155
that everyone should stand up to. And it's

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01:09:53,699 --> 01:09:56,100
undeniably linked to what's happening in Gaza and

1996
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:58,100
undeniably linked to what the Israelis are being

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01:09:58,100 --> 01:09:59,319
able to get away with.

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01:09:59,939 --> 01:10:01,699
So it's a sort of long note to,

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01:10:01,939 --> 01:10:03,460
end on, but I I think that that

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01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:03,960
point,

2001
01:10:04,739 --> 01:10:06,180
has to be brought home. You know? Like,

2002
01:10:06,180 --> 01:10:08,199
I think people have to understand the connection.

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01:10:08,284 --> 01:10:09,725
I think it's a very important point to

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01:10:09,725 --> 01:10:11,324
end on. And, you know, the reality being

2005
01:10:11,324 --> 01:10:13,405
is that that central thread, you know, the

2006
01:10:13,405 --> 01:10:16,305
real agenda behind the the left right paradigm

2007
01:10:16,445 --> 01:10:18,445
flavoring that keeps you thinking things are different.

2008
01:10:18,445 --> 01:10:19,965
Right? Where, you know, now you're getting a

2009
01:10:19,965 --> 01:10:21,969
certain push, but like you're saying, when it

2010
01:10:21,969 --> 01:10:23,649
swings around and Democrats are in power, well,

2011
01:10:23,649 --> 01:10:25,889
now you're gonna get your forced pronouns and

2012
01:10:25,889 --> 01:10:27,529
DEI and whatever else. But the point is

2013
01:10:27,529 --> 01:10:29,590
those are the those are the window dressing.

2014
01:10:29,649 --> 01:10:31,750
Right? The say the agenda as you're highlighting

2015
01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:34,635
continues behind it, the censorship, the control, the

2016
01:10:34,715 --> 01:10:36,074
the role you know, I like, I think

2017
01:10:36,074 --> 01:10:37,434
I'm glad you mentioned Karp and the rest

2018
01:10:37,434 --> 01:10:38,494
of the way out, Andreessen,

2019
01:10:38,875 --> 01:10:41,994
Kiel. You know, it's they're screaming Zionists, very

2020
01:10:41,994 --> 01:10:43,675
clear. They're not hiding that. But on top

2021
01:10:43,675 --> 01:10:45,594
of that, this weird edge to it that's

2022
01:10:45,594 --> 01:10:46,494
like this technocratic

2023
01:10:46,795 --> 01:10:48,014
kind of, like, elitist,

2024
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,279
you know, you need the good oligarchs and

2025
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:52,119
elitist to make sure you're safe. You know,

2026
01:10:52,119 --> 01:10:53,639
let us win out against the bad guy.

2027
01:10:53,639 --> 01:10:55,159
That's this big push they're putting forward right

2028
01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:56,679
now. And so it's weird. Like you're saying,

2029
01:10:56,679 --> 01:10:58,279
it all comes back to just the the

2030
01:10:58,279 --> 01:11:00,359
controlling structure of your life and the rest

2031
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:01,880
is just, you know, it's just reactionary. And

2032
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,494
people buy into it, you know, but the

2033
01:11:03,494 --> 01:11:05,414
censorship like, the joke is, you know, woke

2034
01:11:05,414 --> 01:11:08,375
left, woke right. Bro, snowflake, broflake. It's the

2035
01:11:08,375 --> 01:11:10,774
same different thing, different side, you know? But

2036
01:11:10,774 --> 01:11:12,295
thank you for tuning in today, brother, or

2037
01:11:12,295 --> 01:11:13,895
or being here today, brother. And I definitely

2038
01:11:13,895 --> 01:11:15,814
wanna connect with you again very soon. And

2039
01:11:15,814 --> 01:11:18,850
everybody out there, as always, question everything. Come

2040
01:11:18,850 --> 01:11:20,949
to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

2041
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:24,770
Tom, respects it's just as bad now, the

2042
01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:25,270
authoritarianism,

2043
01:11:26,449 --> 01:11:28,689
that is coming, Gerald. I am really, really

2044
01:11:28,689 --> 01:11:31,010
fearful for the president of The United States

2045
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:33,170
Of America to suggest as he did on

2046
01:11:33,170 --> 01:11:35,555
Air Force One on Sunday night,

2047
01:11:36,255 --> 01:11:39,795
that American citizens could be deported

2048
01:11:40,814 --> 01:11:43,614
for his press secretary to say, we're looking

2049
01:11:43,614 --> 01:11:44,114
into,

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01:11:44,734 --> 01:11:47,055
a way to see if this is legal.

2051
01:11:47,055 --> 01:11:49,234
We don't know if it's legal or not.

2052
01:11:50,010 --> 01:11:50,989
A, it's terrifying.

2053
01:11:51,930 --> 01:11:55,210
B, betrays such a profound ignorance of first

2054
01:11:55,210 --> 01:11:57,050
principles to which he is sworn. He is

2055
01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:59,550
sworn to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution

2056
01:12:00,409 --> 01:12:01,310
and to enforce,

2057
01:12:01,689 --> 01:12:04,685
federal law. You mentioned that you're open to

2058
01:12:04,685 --> 01:12:05,164
deporting,

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01:12:05,805 --> 01:12:08,045
individuals that aren't foreign aliens but are criminals

2060
01:12:08,045 --> 01:12:10,444
to El Salvador. Does that in does that

2061
01:12:10,444 --> 01:12:13,505
include potentially US citizens fully naturalized in Ukraine?

2062
01:12:14,045 --> 01:12:16,204
If they're criminals and if they hit people

2063
01:12:16,204 --> 01:12:18,260
with baseball bats over their head that happened

2064
01:12:18,260 --> 01:12:19,960
to be 90 years old, and

2065
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:20,659
if,

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01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:22,920
if they rape

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01:12:23,699 --> 01:12:26,440
87 year old women in Coney Island, Brooklyn,

2068
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:29,300
yeah. Yeah. That includes them. What do you

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01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:32,100
think? There's special category of person? They're as

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01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,914
bad as anybody that comes in. We have

2071
01:12:33,914 --> 01:12:37,534
bad ones too. Profoundly un American, utterly unconstitutional,

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01:12:38,074 --> 01:12:39,614
and I am sorry to say

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01:12:39,914 --> 01:12:40,895
is coming.