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Welcome to the last American Vagabond. Joining me

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today is Derek Bros to get caught up

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on a lot of things. He's written a

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lot of fantastic articles, as all of his

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articles are, for The Last American Vagabond in

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the last couple of weeks that have been

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really profound, really important for a lot of

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different topics. And in general, just always good

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to touch base with his work and a

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lot of the important things he's doing, like

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the pyramid of power, for example, and the

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up the updates on the fluoride investigation, the

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trial. So I wanted to invite him on

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today to get more into that, just kinda

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get caught up with Derek in general. How

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are you, brother? Welcome back.

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Hey, man. I'm doing great. Thanks for having

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me back on.

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Yeah. Just a side note before we get

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started today.

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Teece is in here filming the documentary we've

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been talking about, so you might see him

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floating in the shot in case you guys

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are curious about why this random man with

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a camera is coming into the shot.

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But you can look forward to that coming

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out. I think it'll be it'll be kind

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of, there's some that are already pieces of

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different parts of it out, but I'm looking

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forward to that coming together as something larger.

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Derek, he was doing that with you as

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well. I'm I'm that's correct. Right? Yeah. I've

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had the fun experience of having Thies follow

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me around back in January at the people's

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reset.

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Yeah. It's it's an interesting experience. I'll tell

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you that out of the gate just having

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to, you know,

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try to be spontaneous in moments that aren't

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which is difficult for those of us. We

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were joking with when Steve was in here,

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we were doing the recording, and it's like

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this reflexive, like, stop telling me what to

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do. You know? Stop telling me how to

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act and what to say. Anyway, just funny.

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But I I really am glad to talk

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to you today, man, because we haven't got

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a chance to connect, with with I think

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the one that really stands out to me

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is the the Doge technocracy overlap that I'm

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I wanna touch on a little bit. But

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I wanna start right out of the gate

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with you today with some of the updates

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you have around the fluoride investigation, the trial,

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and kinda just your thoughts on where that's

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going and some other kind of tangential points

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we were talking about off air that I

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think are relevant to bring in. But go

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ahead and start with, you know, where you

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are with that and what's what's going on

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at the moment.

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Yeah. So there's there's definitely some federal fluoride

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news I wanna get into in a moment,

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but I did wanna share just an update.

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I've been telling you for a while, Ryan,

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that I had, filed some open records request

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with the city of Houston, which is where

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I'm originally from,

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and trying to figure out just details about

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the current fluoride program. And this is because

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I've been going to city council since 02/2012,

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'2 thousand '13. I originally started a group

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called fluoride for Houston way back then. So

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over a decade ago, and we were going

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to city council. We were, you know, trying

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to get fluoride out of the water, and

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and I was learning all about how city

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government works and how corrupt it is even

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on the local level. And,

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we had some successes getting about five or

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six council members interested, and they were like,

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look. We hear you. This seems like a

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concern. But at the time, I realized that,

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the city of Houston, the mayor was actually,

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like, the strongest mayor in the country and

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that the council members are basically just figureheads

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who have no power to you know, they

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can be against anything they want, but they

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can't put anything on the agenda. They can't

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actually bring it to a vote. That's all

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in the mayor's hands. So I'd kinda given

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up on that effort years ago, but then,

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obviously, fast forward more recently, the fluoride trial

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starts in 2020.

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You know, it came to a conclusion last

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year with a a verdict against the EPA

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and in favor of the fluoride action network.

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like, reignited my interest in trying to,

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get, you know, get fluoride out of the

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water in Houston. Even though I don't live

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there anymore just because my family's there, I

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think it would be a good moral victory

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to get the fourth largest city in the

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country to, you know, say no to this.

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when I ran for mayor in 2019 and

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2023, I was talking about fluoride. I was

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saying, hey. If you elect me, we're gonna

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get fluoride out of the water, etcetera, etcetera.

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And, obviously, this has become a national issue

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now, which is, you know, good to see.

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I I think I last went to city

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council in Houston in October

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2024.

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Same thing. Brought them the studies, brought them

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the the conclusion of the lawsuit, the in

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national toxicology program report, all the things we've

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covered. I brought them all that data, emailed

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them, etcetera.

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nobody said anything and kind of alright. Well

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and then after doing that, I I started

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to look on the city's website, and I

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couldn't find anything in the budget. I couldn't

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find you know, you would expect if governments

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you give a crap about the people actually

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being able to be informed.

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You should have a simple website in 2025

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where you can go and look through the

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budget, line item, you know, word by word.

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I could just keyword fluoride and find exactly

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where the fluoride budget is. Right. But sure

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enough, that is not the case. And in

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fact, it's actually very difficult to find out

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where you know, what the fluoride budget is,

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where that program's been at. And the best

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I could find is that they took it

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from being just an obvious program, hid it

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inside some sort of other special operations or

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something within public works. Long story short, I

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ended up finding, filing records requests, on the

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city of Houston because

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they that's I guess, that's just what you

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gotta do. If you're just a regular person

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and not a journalist and you don't have

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money to file open records requests, well, then

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you're out of luck. You're just not gonna

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find that info. And even when I tried

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to call them just being like you know,

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sometimes I'll put the journalist hat on, sometimes

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I take it off and just say, hey.

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I'm just a concerned citizen. I'm just curious.

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Can you tell me whether the city of

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Houston's adding a fluoride to the water? Nobody

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could give me any answers. Nobody knew where

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to send me. It's just like a total

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miss for the fourth largest city in The

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United States.

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And, I ended up having to file these

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open records requests. I requested specifically emails from

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I think I did the last three years,

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three or four years. So 2024 to 2020,

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I think. And specifically looking for emails, contracts,

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memos,

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etcetera, that contain hydrofluorosilicic

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acid, fluoride, water fluoridation.

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And I ended up getting 3,000 emails, and

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I definitely haven't gone all of them, but

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I've gone through a fat chunk of them.

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And, I'm gonna be doing an an article

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that'll kind of outline this more in detail.

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I can I could already I've had this

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information for a couple of months, but I've

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been kinda sitting on it because I wanted

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to get more details? But I can confirm

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for sure that the city of Houston is

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not adding fluoride to their water.

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That would make the city of Houston the

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largest city in the country to not be

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adding fluoride to the water. The the second

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or the current, as far as we know,

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biggest city is Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is

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nowhere near as big as Houston. And so

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that's, you know, it's, again, gonna be kind

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of big news. And so I've kept that

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in my back pocket while I've been digging

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through these emails because I wanted to do

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my journalistic due diligence and be able to

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say, this is the exact date that the

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water fluoridation program ended.

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And, I haven't been able to find that,

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unfortunately, but I did find one email where

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this woman, her name is Joni Sinec, and

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she is, in the Houston Public Works department.

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And she received an email from another official

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from a nearby town saying, hey. Can you

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tell us the latest on your your water

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fluoridation program? And in her own words, I

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have the email, right here, and she said

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the water, fluoridation she said something like, because

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we have groundwater,

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fluoride, you know, basically naturally occurring fluoride, the

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city of Houston hasn't been adding fluoride to

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the for five years. And this was October

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2024. So that means since at least 2019,

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according to this city of Houston employee, they

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have not been adding, fluoride to the water,

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which is, for me, kind of funny because

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I'm like, okay. I was campaigning in 2019.

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I've been to city council. And for mayor

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again in 2023, nobody ever bothered saying, like,

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hey. By the way, there's no more fluoride

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in the water, which I have my theories

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on and I'll share in a moment. But,

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essentially, right before we recorded this interview, I

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actually called this woman because she has been

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kind enough to speak back and forth with

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me. And, again, I I didn't have my

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journalistic hat on because they tend to treat

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you differently if they think you're a journalist

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asking questions instead of just a curious citizen

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saying, hey. I'm just, you know, trying to

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figure out what the fluoride thing's about.

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And, but I think by this point, she

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knows who I am. And I I actually

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after I got the initial email after I

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did those initial files, I filed a whole

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another open records request specifically for her emails

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for the last five years because she seems

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to be mentioned quite a bit in this,

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And the city of Houston is now appealing

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that to the state of Texas. They're trying

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to deny me access to that for some

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reason. So I think I'm on the track

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of something. But right now, I have they've

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sent a letter to the state attorney general

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or the the attorney yeah. The AG of

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the state saying, we should not have to

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reveal this information because I asked for more

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information about contracts

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and specific details.

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And not because I'm trying to really get

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into their business. I just wanna know, like,

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is there a date that you can give

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me when this contract ended, when fluoride stopped

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being added?

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And, the city of Houston is trying to

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deny that. So I was actually able to

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get her on the phone, and I said,

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hey. You probably know I filed the records

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request

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through your for your emails, and that's you

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know, it's nothing against you. It's just because

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I see you're mentioned quite a bit in

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this. She told me she didn't start at

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the city till 2021.

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But as of just thirty minutes ago, she

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told me her best guess that she was

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able to figure out through her own research

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is that the city of Houston stopped adding

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fluoride to the water in 2018, '20 '19

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kind of fiscal year.

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And there was never any public announcement. There's

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never been any media, any news reporting on

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this.

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I'm assuming it was probably a budget situation

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because the city of Houston is, like, millions

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of dollars in debt, like many major cities

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in The US. And so it's been, like,

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a huge issue in the city for years.

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We're about to go off the fiscal cliff.

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What are we gonna do? That was actually

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why I was campaigning saying, Hey, if you

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wanna save the city money, how about we

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get rid of this million dollar a year

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fluoride project? Program. Yeah. Exactly.

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Thankfully, somebody did it, but

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my interesting thing that I'm coming away with,

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and I've even had some hesitance to report

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on this because

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at the moment, nobody in Houston knows that

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there's not fluoride in the water. But, obviously,

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because of RFK at the HHS, because of

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the fluoride lawsuit, and I would argue because

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of our reporting as well, fluoride has become

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like a national topic again. So at the

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moment, it's kinda like, hey. We're sort of

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under the radar. I've been telling all my

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friends, hey, guys. There's no fluoride in Houston,

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by the way. But the moment we report

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on this, and especially because I think that

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the local media in Houston should take an

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interest in this, like and I wanna kind

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of send a letter to to the editor

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to some of the biggest papers in in

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the city and say, what have you guys

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been doing? None of y'all paid attention. None

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of y'all reported on this because they're really

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falling down on their job. But my fear,

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as well as the fears of some folks

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that I've spoke to, including Michael Conant and

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others at the Floyd Action Network, is that

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by announcing this, we might actually

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ignite some momentum under the pro fluoride activist,

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and then all of a sudden you get

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people fighting to get the fluoride back in

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in the water. So as it stands, though,

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we can say for sure, and I have

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all of the monthly measurements too where they

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go to check the water. As as we've

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reported in the past,

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the EPA, the CDC, etcetera, they've set a

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target over the years for point seven milligram

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milliliters

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milligrams per liter. And, they

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the city of Houston has been at point

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3.4.

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Now that may mean that this Houstonians are

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kind of below the risk of IQ loss

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and all these other things.

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But, of course, the fact is that we

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don't really know, and I and I talked

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about this with my reporting in the trial.

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They were never able to conclusively say when

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exactly it starts. That's why Michael Conant, Floyd

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Action Network, and others have been saying the

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expert witnesses, the scientists have been saying, we

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need to exercise the precautionary principle.

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And, you know, since we can't pinpoint where

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the harm starts, let's just get rid of

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it. Right? We know that at some point

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above or around point seven, harm seems to

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begin,

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and the government wants us to believe it's

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totally safe at point seven. But, nevertheless, we

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don't really know. So as of as of

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2018,

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'20 '19, and as of right now in

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2025,

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the city of Houston with three, four million

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people in it is not being fluoridated. They

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the the test that they show show levels

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of point three, which is just naturally occurring

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fluoride, which is different, I will say. Not

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to say it's not harmful because some people,

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they they fall into that trap thinking because

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it's naturally occurring, it doesn't have the same,

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harms, but it does. But the difference is

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that it's not toxic sludge from aluminum mining

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being added to the water. Right. But, nevertheless,

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it's there is still some level of it

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in there. So I kinda think of this

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as a win. I'm like, oh, wow. This

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is something I've been fighting for for over

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a decade.

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And it kind of happened quietly, and none

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of us even realized it, and it hasn't

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been reported anywhere.

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Yeah. It's it's actually I mean, obviously, your

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work is probably a foundational part of why

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this you know, even secretly might have happened

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if that is the reality of it. But

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what's interesting to me, just for all the

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things you laid out there, think about how

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illogical it is to have you know, so,

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like, it's completely safe and it's good. It's

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actually for your benefit. But we're gonna do

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everything we can to stop you from getting

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the information about how that's happening. It's like,

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okay. Well, that doesn't feel right. Something's you

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know, they wouldn't if it was something that

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was benign, they would be happy to display

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this stuff, but it's interesting about how that's

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my opinion anyway. But, you know, the interesting

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part about that is that, you know, in

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a way, you could you might even argue

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that the that, you know, from your work

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and others, that maybe there are peep because

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I I'm always in the mind that there's

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not much every person in every position of

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authority is all part of the problem. I

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think they're all part of the problem that

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is the system, but not you know, we

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know there are people that act within that

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in some ways and good ways. And it

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may be this whole effort allowed that foothold

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by saying, okay. Well, they gave us a

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number now. So now we can say because

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we've got natural point three, which you pointed

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out not everybody does, they could just say,

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well, by adding that, then it'll be above

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that number, and they get that's the the

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logic they can use to push back on

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it. Because, I mean, I we've have we've

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seen pushback, you know, on whether that should

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happen. But all said and done, I think

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it's really important to see that this is

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shifting, and I do think it's because of

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work like yours and other and Conant and

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the rest of it, and it's insane that

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we're still talking about this. And how I

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remember remember you and I talked about when

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the trial was really kind of you know,

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it was clearly coming out that they had

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locked, that ultimately, it was gonna be now

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a a decade long battle of them continuing

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to fight to keep it in our water.

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And that's essentially where we are, it seems.

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But I'm glad to see that, at least

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in some places that it's being removed. Now

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one more thing I was gonna ask you.

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Do you think that that are so you're

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certain it's not there based on what you

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see. Are you worried at all that that

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that's just simply, like, another, like, compartmentalization

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like you talked about where they just now

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call it something else and we don't know

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that it's on the docket and some other

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name. But, again, you said they tested the

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water, so give me your thought. I'm I

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I I I would place, place my confidence

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in this at 95 to a %, and

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I say that because I have numerous,

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you know, so they come and do, like,

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monthly or or, you know, quarterly

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testing of the water. And and so I

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have those records where it shows, like, levels

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of fluoride, and you can see it's, like,

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below that. I have emails where they're talking.

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I mean, I have a lot of interesting

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emails, and this will be coming up in

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a new article for the last American Vagabond,

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of course. We're gonna include all these emails.

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Nobody has to trust me, my word. You

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can have access and read them yourself.

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And the the other interesting thing is that

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the city of Houston was obviously they were

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keeping up with the trial too. They were

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talking about the trial as it was going

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on. There's even one email where they talk

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about the judges. You know, they're sharing an

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article about the judge's ruling, and some City

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of Houston employee says, how is this going

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to impact us and our fluoride program in

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the long run or whatever? Which is interesting

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because if if the fluoride wasn't there anymore,

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you know, I don't know what to say.

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But I will say I also have pictures

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that these were in City of Houston,

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presentations, like PowerPoints that they were sharing with

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each other. And there's one picture I have.

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There's a kind of a suburb of Houston

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Northwest called Kingwood, and they have pictures of

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the guys in the hazmat suits and everything

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cleaning out the fluoride tanks because they're basically

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getting rid of everything that's left. And so

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they have I have pictures that with the

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date saying like fluoride being removed from Kingwood

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tanks.

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So we have that. We have the water

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test showing that it's at point 3.4, and

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it says naturally occurring. So even if they

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were adding it, they're not which I don't

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think they are. They're not even anywhere near

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the target level of the CDC.

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And, and then, of course, I have the

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email where, like I said, this city of

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Houston officials specifically tells another official from a

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smaller nearby town who's just asking questions about

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the fluoride program saying, We have not been

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adding fluoride for the last five years. So

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at this point, and then again, after talking

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with her this morning, now I feel confident

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enough to report on it. This is kind

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of why I have been sitting on it.

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I didn't wanna, like, go forward without trying

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to get some more official statement, if you

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will, and then end up being, you know,

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misquoted or something like that. But now I

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feel pretty confident. I I am gonna continue

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to dig through these emails. Like I said,

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I got 3,000 of them. And,

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you know, just and I'll make a side

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note here just to pitch for why you

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should continue to support TLab or, you know,

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my work, both of us, is because these

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are the kind of things that I do

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journalistically.

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That costs money. You know? That's, like, I

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think, $60.70 dollars to request those files. Not

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a huge amount of money, but that's what

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it takes to actually get access to documents

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if you want to instead of just talking

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about it, but you actually wanna see them.

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Same thing. I'll just mention, like, I've started

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looking up the court records for this ongoing

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immigration thing with the the gentleman from Maryland

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who's been deported.

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Instead of just talking about it and taking

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the government's word for it, I, you know,

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I have a PACER account. So I go

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there and I pay a little bit of

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money to get access to these files. This

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is what I think it takes to do

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real journalism, so please do continue to support

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us. And, and yeah. So I now have

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all those records. I'm gonna continue to pour

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through those files just to make sure there's

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nothing else that I'm missing. Like, maybe there's

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even more, you know, another bombshell statement or

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something. But right now, I've got a a

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folder saved where all of the the spicier

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stuff is being saved, and I will be

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putting those in the next article for TLav.

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And, of course, we'll upload the original emails

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so people can check those out themselves. Yeah.

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00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:41,029
So I feel pretty good that it's it's

521
00:16:41,029 --> 00:16:42,549
for sure that the city of Houston is

522
00:16:42,549 --> 00:16:44,949
not Florida and hasn't been for at least

523
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:46,629
the last five years. And I think that's

524
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:48,490
the headline. And it for those who are

525
00:16:49,004 --> 00:16:51,165
opponents and and, you know, advocates for getting

526
00:16:51,165 --> 00:16:52,304
fluoride out of the water,

527
00:16:52,605 --> 00:16:54,445
when we report on this, please take this

528
00:16:54,445 --> 00:16:56,285
report and run with it. Because, again, if

529
00:16:56,285 --> 00:16:57,904
if if you're in a smaller town

530
00:16:58,285 --> 00:16:59,565
that can look and be like, oh, well,

531
00:16:59,565 --> 00:17:01,110
if the city of Houston is doing this,

532
00:17:01,190 --> 00:17:02,309
then maybe we can do it over here

533
00:17:02,309 --> 00:17:04,630
with our smaller population of 20,000 people or

534
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:06,950
50,000 people, whatever. That was kind of always

535
00:17:06,950 --> 00:17:08,390
my goal is that if we were able

536
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:10,150
to get fluoride out of the the city

537
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:11,289
of Houston's water,

538
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:13,750
that would be, like, a big step forward

539
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:15,589
because, you know, then you've got LA, you've

540
00:17:15,589 --> 00:17:16,724
got New York, you've got

541
00:17:17,125 --> 00:17:19,525
Chicago. Those cities are all fluoridated. And so

542
00:17:19,525 --> 00:17:21,365
there's a pretty big jump from Albuquerque, New

543
00:17:21,365 --> 00:17:23,444
Mexico to Houston, Texas. I think that is

544
00:17:23,444 --> 00:17:25,125
a you know, for me, the the headline

545
00:17:25,125 --> 00:17:26,724
I want people to take away. Whether or

546
00:17:26,724 --> 00:17:28,244
not it came from them, you know, the

547
00:17:28,244 --> 00:17:29,924
people voting and them saying, hey. This is

548
00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:31,380
bad. We're gonna get rid of it. I

549
00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:32,980
think it was more likely related to the

550
00:17:32,980 --> 00:17:34,680
budget and the city being in debt.

551
00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:36,820
We don't know those facts at the moment,

552
00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:39,059
but, nevertheless, the fluoride's not in the water.

553
00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:40,339
So, you know, I'll take that as a

554
00:17:40,339 --> 00:17:42,980
win. Definitely. I think somebody should whether Houston

555
00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:44,420
or the other city you mentioned, somebody should

556
00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:47,005
be doing some studies 02/2019 forward. What's the

557
00:17:47,005 --> 00:17:49,025
difference? Take a heavily fluorinated

558
00:17:49,404 --> 00:17:50,545
a fluoridated population

559
00:17:51,005 --> 00:17:52,924
and and and compare it to this. I

560
00:17:52,924 --> 00:17:54,445
think that's an interesting comparison to see if

561
00:17:54,445 --> 00:17:55,965
there's any major differences, and I think that

562
00:17:55,965 --> 00:17:56,785
would be important.

563
00:17:57,325 --> 00:17:59,779
It's it's it's interesting just real quick that

564
00:17:59,779 --> 00:18:01,380
I if we do report on this again,

565
00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:03,380
I'm and I'm not gonna hesitate because I

566
00:18:03,380 --> 00:18:05,380
think the truth should be out regardless of

567
00:18:05,380 --> 00:18:06,119
the consequences,

568
00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:08,579
but I won't be surprised if we do

569
00:18:08,579 --> 00:18:09,079
see

570
00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:11,079
the fluoridation, pro fluoridation

571
00:18:11,825 --> 00:18:13,984
activist from the American Dental Association, from the

572
00:18:13,984 --> 00:18:16,545
fluoridation society, etcetera, these people who always pop

573
00:18:16,545 --> 00:18:17,045
up,

574
00:18:17,424 --> 00:18:18,625
that all of a sudden they pop up

575
00:18:18,625 --> 00:18:20,384
and they start talking about how Houston's gonna

576
00:18:20,384 --> 00:18:22,384
go into cavities and we're all everybody's gonna

577
00:18:22,384 --> 00:18:24,085
end up getting, you know, bad

578
00:18:24,589 --> 00:18:26,190
dental health if we don't have floor even

579
00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:27,549
though it's been going on for five years

580
00:18:27,549 --> 00:18:29,250
and nobody said anything about it.

581
00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:31,150
Right. Or yeah. Exact what a great point

582
00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:32,830
to make. Or the idea that let's pretend

583
00:18:32,830 --> 00:18:34,430
like our government actually cares that we get

584
00:18:34,430 --> 00:18:34,951
cavities as opposed to, you know, like, spending

585
00:18:34,951 --> 00:18:35,014
money to care about your teeth. Or and,

586
00:18:35,014 --> 00:18:35,070
again, just for the record, I know that

587
00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:36,289
people are

588
00:18:38,875 --> 00:18:40,634
record, I know that people our audience are

589
00:18:40,634 --> 00:18:42,315
probably well aware, at least, of my opinion

590
00:18:42,315 --> 00:18:43,674
on this, or you can speak for yourself

591
00:18:43,674 --> 00:18:45,674
on it. I think you agree. Florida's bad

592
00:18:45,674 --> 00:18:47,434
for you. It's dangerous. There in my opinion,

593
00:18:47,434 --> 00:18:49,994
are no positive benefits for putting this in

594
00:18:49,994 --> 00:18:51,754
any context. In your water and your toothpaste,

595
00:18:51,754 --> 00:18:53,279
I think it's actually a detriment. I mean,

596
00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:55,200
it's toxic, but I think that's for people

597
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,559
to read their own you know, look at

598
00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:58,720
the science. That's important. And as I'm saying

599
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,720
that, all of these articles that Derek has

600
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,740
written, and this is just one page of,

601
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,504
what is it, of five different pages of

602
00:19:05,504 --> 00:19:05,984
different

603
00:19:06,304 --> 00:19:08,224
this is all from the fluoride trial forward,

604
00:19:08,224 --> 00:19:09,585
and Derek has done a bunch more work

605
00:19:09,585 --> 00:19:11,345
for that on the conscious resistance. But the

606
00:19:11,345 --> 00:19:13,585
point is, all linked to source material, peer

607
00:19:13,585 --> 00:19:15,744
reviewed science showing you this. Or the interviews

608
00:19:15,744 --> 00:19:17,380
you've had with, I forget his name from

609
00:19:17,380 --> 00:19:19,380
the WHO, that's an interesting last name, the

610
00:19:19,380 --> 00:19:21,480
doctor who basically spoke out of that question.

611
00:19:22,099 --> 00:19:24,820
Yeah. Doctor. Philippe Grandin. We talked to Doctor.

612
00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:26,019
Who, we talked to,

613
00:19:27,140 --> 00:19:28,845
the other ones escaped me. But the three

614
00:19:29,005 --> 00:19:31,325
expert witnesses who were at the fluoride lawsuit.

615
00:19:31,325 --> 00:19:32,765
Yeah. All of those interviews, and those are

616
00:19:32,765 --> 00:19:34,144
all referenced in my articles

617
00:19:34,525 --> 00:19:36,125
with the quotes from them directly. So you

618
00:19:36,125 --> 00:19:37,724
don't have to take mine or Ryan's word

619
00:19:37,724 --> 00:19:38,845
for it. You can hear it from the

620
00:19:38,845 --> 00:19:40,944
people who are the lead experts on mercury,

621
00:19:41,579 --> 00:19:44,220
on lead, who the US government, the EPA

622
00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:46,700
themselves took their work and and used their

623
00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:47,919
work to build their,

624
00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,000
their thresholds for harm

625
00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:52,940
for for lead and for mercury. And they

626
00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:54,779
listened to them before, but they're ignoring them

627
00:19:54,779 --> 00:19:56,375
or they have been ignoring them when it

628
00:19:56,375 --> 00:19:57,035
comes to fluoride,

629
00:19:57,735 --> 00:19:59,414
which I think leads us right into just

630
00:19:59,414 --> 00:20:00,535
a little bit of an update on the

631
00:20:00,535 --> 00:20:02,615
kind of the fluoride lawsuit things going on

632
00:20:02,615 --> 00:20:03,595
right now. Mhmm.

633
00:20:04,055 --> 00:20:05,894
For those who might not have seen just

634
00:20:05,894 --> 00:20:08,075
yesterday as we're recording this, so on Monday,

635
00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:09,440
the,

636
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,240
head of HHS, Robert F. Kennedy Junior, and

637
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,380
the head of the EPA,

638
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,839
Zeldren, I think Lee, something like that. Zeldren.

639
00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:20,400
Yeah. They were in Utah to commemorate or

640
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,320
to, you know, celebrate Utah becoming the first

641
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,460
state to ban fluoride.

642
00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:25,684
And at that press conference, which you can

643
00:20:25,684 --> 00:20:27,225
see right there on my Twitter account,

644
00:20:27,765 --> 00:20:30,505
Zeldin makes an announcement, says that the EPA

645
00:20:30,565 --> 00:20:32,025
is going to expeditiously

646
00:20:32,884 --> 00:20:35,765
review all the scientific data related to the,

647
00:20:36,085 --> 00:20:37,684
fluoride and the water. And that link there

648
00:20:37,684 --> 00:20:38,490
is the official,

649
00:20:38,890 --> 00:20:40,809
EPA statement. People can find that on their

650
00:20:40,809 --> 00:20:42,650
website. Now I want I want you to

651
00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:45,130
highlight something here, Ryan. So this as you

652
00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:46,410
see, I posted there. I said, hey. This

653
00:20:46,410 --> 00:20:47,769
is a good move. Right? And, you know,

654
00:20:47,769 --> 00:20:49,049
I'm gonna give credit where it's due. I

655
00:20:49,049 --> 00:20:50,625
have all kinds of other issues with with

656
00:20:50,625 --> 00:20:52,144
Robert f Kennedy as I know you do,

657
00:20:52,144 --> 00:20:53,204
Ryan, with the antisemitism,

658
00:20:53,505 --> 00:20:54,644
with the vaccines, etcetera.

659
00:20:55,265 --> 00:20:56,545
But this, I was like, okay. Cool. Give

660
00:20:56,545 --> 00:20:57,904
credit where it's due. I'll just say it's

661
00:20:57,904 --> 00:20:59,345
a good move. Right? But if you go

662
00:20:59,345 --> 00:21:00,865
to the first comment in there, I'm pretty

663
00:21:00,865 --> 00:21:02,740
sure it's Michael Conant from the Floyd Action

664
00:21:02,740 --> 00:21:04,259
Network. Mhmm. Yes. Go ahead and look at

665
00:21:04,259 --> 00:21:05,940
Michael's comment because I think this is important

666
00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:07,619
to highlight because Michael, for those who don't

667
00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:09,460
know, he's the lead attorney who fought with

668
00:21:09,460 --> 00:21:11,779
the Floyd Action Network. He's the one who,

669
00:21:11,779 --> 00:21:14,099
along with his team, beat the a EPA

670
00:21:14,099 --> 00:21:16,099
last year and had the judge say that,

671
00:21:16,099 --> 00:21:17,595
you know, they need to act. And so

672
00:21:17,674 --> 00:21:19,515
I'm gonna be including this this quote in

673
00:21:19,515 --> 00:21:21,115
my article as well when I do one

674
00:21:21,115 --> 00:21:22,714
about this. He said, I'm very wary of

675
00:21:22,714 --> 00:21:25,355
EPA's announcement because Zelda never mentioned that the

676
00:21:25,355 --> 00:21:27,515
EPA is already under the court order to

677
00:21:27,515 --> 00:21:29,534
take regulatory action to address fluoridation's

678
00:21:29,835 --> 00:21:31,829
unreasonable risk to human health. And he's talking

679
00:21:31,829 --> 00:21:33,429
about the court order from last year. Again,

680
00:21:33,429 --> 00:21:36,230
the lawsuit ended with judge Chen saying the

681
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:38,230
EPA must act. And then right in the

682
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:40,069
last days of the Biden administration, the Biden

683
00:21:40,069 --> 00:21:42,230
administration announced that they were gonna appeal it.

684
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:44,390
Now so far, the Trump administration has not

685
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,845
rescinded that appeal, the new EPA under Trump.

686
00:21:47,005 --> 00:21:49,105
They have till this Friday to do so.

687
00:21:49,244 --> 00:21:51,404
So Michael says, under the court order, EPA

688
00:21:51,404 --> 00:21:54,125
must initiate rule making proceedings under the TSCA

689
00:21:54,125 --> 00:21:56,605
Toxic Substance Control Act to issue a rule

690
00:21:56,605 --> 00:21:59,025
that will eliminate the risk related to fluoride.

691
00:21:59,460 --> 00:22:02,179
Zeldin sidestep this current obligation and focused on

692
00:22:02,179 --> 00:22:04,179
EPA doing another review of the science under

693
00:22:04,179 --> 00:22:06,179
a separate statute because they specifically said we're

694
00:22:06,179 --> 00:22:07,859
gonna review this because of the Safe Drinking

695
00:22:07,859 --> 00:22:10,019
Water Act. But he's making the point that

696
00:22:10,019 --> 00:22:12,099
they're kind of ignoring the ruling that's already

697
00:22:12,099 --> 00:22:14,024
come down from the judge. Mhmm. Meanwhile, the

698
00:22:14,024 --> 00:22:15,704
EPA is still moving forward with its appeal

699
00:22:15,704 --> 00:22:18,345
of the court order, thereby delaying any actual

700
00:22:18,345 --> 00:22:20,184
action the EPA will take to eliminate the

701
00:22:20,184 --> 00:22:22,744
risk. EPA's deadline for filing its appeal is

702
00:22:22,744 --> 00:22:25,304
this Friday, April 11. If the EPA files

703
00:22:25,304 --> 00:22:27,150
the appeal as it looks like they will,

704
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:29,470
that will likely say more about the EPA's

705
00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:31,869
true intentions with fluoride than a commitment to

706
00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:34,670
do another review, especially because the EPA's reviews

707
00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:36,349
on fluoride literature in the past have been

708
00:22:36,349 --> 00:22:36,849
atrocious.

709
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:39,549
So Michael, the lead attorney who fought the

710
00:22:39,549 --> 00:22:41,170
federal lawsuit against the EPA,

711
00:22:41,494 --> 00:22:44,375
who I will say privately has had some

712
00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:46,375
optimism with RFK being there and, like, hey.

713
00:22:46,375 --> 00:22:47,575
Look. This might be the chance. You know,

714
00:22:47,575 --> 00:22:49,494
we're actually gonna see it. We're three days

715
00:22:49,494 --> 00:22:51,975
away from this. They have made no statements

716
00:22:51,975 --> 00:22:54,789
about, you know, rescinding the appeal or what

717
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:56,869
you know, anything related to the lawsuit. They

718
00:22:56,869 --> 00:22:58,789
haven't said anything. RFK hasn't said anything about

719
00:22:58,789 --> 00:23:00,950
the lawsuit. They mentioned it in passing in

720
00:23:00,950 --> 00:23:02,470
this press conference, but not in the sense

721
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:04,150
of, like, we're gonna stand by that court

722
00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:06,470
ruling, and we're gonna start rulemaking to figure

723
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:08,009
out, you know, the harms of fluoride.

724
00:23:08,755 --> 00:23:10,194
You know? So I think that that's an

725
00:23:10,194 --> 00:23:11,714
important point. On one hand, they hold a

726
00:23:11,714 --> 00:23:13,554
press conference where they're saying they're gonna review

727
00:23:13,554 --> 00:23:15,554
all the fluoride science under the you know,

728
00:23:15,554 --> 00:23:18,034
using the Safe Drinking Water Act, etcetera, but

729
00:23:18,034 --> 00:23:20,275
no admission that the court a federal court

730
00:23:20,275 --> 00:23:22,534
in San Francisco has already ordered the EPA

731
00:23:22,674 --> 00:23:23,815
to initiate rulemaking

732
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:26,230
specifically about the harms of fluoride that were

733
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:27,529
found in this court case.

734
00:23:27,910 --> 00:23:29,190
So the fact that, you know, I could

735
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:30,950
have my own skepticism, but I definitely would

736
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:32,710
give more weight to Michael Conant, the lead

737
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:35,589
attorney for the fluoride action network, saying that

738
00:23:35,589 --> 00:23:36,730
he believes,

739
00:23:37,109 --> 00:23:39,125
again, he says, and it looks like they

740
00:23:39,125 --> 00:23:41,285
will, you know, file the appeal and continue

741
00:23:41,285 --> 00:23:42,744
to appeal this decision.

742
00:23:43,444 --> 00:23:45,125
And, of course, he doesn't have much confidence

743
00:23:45,125 --> 00:23:47,125
in the EPA doing another review when we

744
00:23:47,125 --> 00:23:48,984
already have so much data out there. So

745
00:23:49,125 --> 00:23:51,029
on one hand, yes, it's a good move,

746
00:23:51,109 --> 00:23:53,029
but let's also temper it with the reality

747
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:55,029
of what might be going on. Well and

748
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:57,269
let's not forget that this process has already

749
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:59,349
been like a seven stage process of five

750
00:23:59,349 --> 00:24:01,990
new reports and new reviews from every element.

751
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:04,070
This has long since been done according to

752
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:04,545
the,

753
00:24:05,184 --> 00:24:07,585
national toxicology program, DeConna himself. I mean, it's

754
00:24:07,585 --> 00:24:09,205
it's obvious. Right? And that's

755
00:24:09,744 --> 00:24:11,424
to me, in my opinion on this, I

756
00:24:11,585 --> 00:24:13,045
look. The step is

757
00:24:13,585 --> 00:24:15,184
highlighting this as good in and of itself.

758
00:24:15,184 --> 00:24:16,465
But I think the problem with what we're

759
00:24:16,465 --> 00:24:18,384
dealing with in everything today is that they're

760
00:24:18,384 --> 00:24:20,429
aware that people are seeing these problems. And

761
00:24:20,429 --> 00:24:21,549
so these things in a lot of way

762
00:24:21,549 --> 00:24:23,309
are are are, you know, release valves in

763
00:24:23,309 --> 00:24:24,750
order to, you know, to let people think

764
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:26,269
that there's momentum coming. And I hope this

765
00:24:26,269 --> 00:24:27,950
continues in a positive way. But to to

766
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:30,149
overlap this with something you were highlighting around,

767
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:31,789
I mean, any number of these things or

768
00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:33,309
even the point that I just saw around

769
00:24:33,309 --> 00:24:35,954
about forever chemicals is there's a game that's

770
00:24:35,954 --> 00:24:38,914
always played where you water it down in

771
00:24:38,914 --> 00:24:41,795
a long term overwhelming investigation, and you you

772
00:24:41,795 --> 00:24:44,295
make it so so nuanced and so complicated

773
00:24:44,355 --> 00:24:46,195
that nothing ever really changes. But, you know,

774
00:24:46,195 --> 00:24:47,474
you're sure as hell putting a lot of

775
00:24:47,474 --> 00:24:48,839
action out there. A lot of things are

776
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:50,440
moving around, and it makes people think things

777
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,359
are changing. I hope this this is not

778
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,200
that, but it seems that Michael Conant seems

779
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,519
thinks that it is. To his point, you

780
00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:58,200
wouldn't need to do anything else. That's everything's

781
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,039
already in front of you. The right action

782
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:01,960
is to take the information that's been presented

783
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,464
over and over and over from the very

784
00:25:03,464 --> 00:25:04,845
government that we're talking about

785
00:25:05,545 --> 00:25:06,984
and take the right action and remove this,

786
00:25:06,984 --> 00:25:08,744
but they're not doing that. So I guess

787
00:25:08,744 --> 00:25:10,505
they went to the eleventh to see. Yeah.

788
00:25:10,505 --> 00:25:12,744
They if they wanted to, this press conference

789
00:25:12,744 --> 00:25:13,565
could have said,

790
00:25:14,025 --> 00:25:15,785
we are going to follow the decision of

791
00:25:15,785 --> 00:25:17,704
the federal court that ruled last year that

792
00:25:17,704 --> 00:25:20,590
the EPA should initiate rulemaking to figure out

793
00:25:20,590 --> 00:25:22,430
what to do about the unreasonable risk of

794
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:25,230
fluoride and we're beginning that process now. Instead,

795
00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:27,230
they, you know, kind of, as Michael said,

796
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:29,230
sidestep that and just focus on like, we're

797
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:31,710
gonna do an additional review under the, Safe

798
00:25:31,710 --> 00:25:34,115
Water Act. So, yeah, we've got three days.

799
00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:36,115
I'll probably wait till after Friday to do

800
00:25:36,115 --> 00:25:37,474
an article on that. I'm gonna report on

801
00:25:37,474 --> 00:25:39,255
the Houston situation before then,

802
00:25:39,634 --> 00:25:41,315
and then we'll wait to see what happens

803
00:25:41,315 --> 00:25:43,154
after Friday. And probably by next week, my

804
00:25:43,154 --> 00:25:45,394
article will be focused on the fallout, whether

805
00:25:45,394 --> 00:25:47,394
they do decide to follow through with the

806
00:25:47,394 --> 00:25:49,930
court's ruling or if if it's another example

807
00:25:49,930 --> 00:25:51,710
of how the the Trump administration

808
00:25:52,090 --> 00:25:53,930
picks up what Biden did, in this case,

809
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:56,170
an appeal of the the the ruling against

810
00:25:56,170 --> 00:25:58,750
the EPA and continues with that process.

811
00:25:59,370 --> 00:26:01,565
Right. So another example of just a government.

812
00:26:01,664 --> 00:26:04,345
Just continuation the linear progression of the agendas

813
00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:06,345
through one government. Well, so what's interesting in

814
00:26:06,345 --> 00:26:07,944
the overlap that I've we brought up before

815
00:26:07,944 --> 00:26:10,264
him is and, again, one of the obvious

816
00:26:10,264 --> 00:26:11,404
reasons that I am

817
00:26:11,704 --> 00:26:13,544
already feeling like this is kinda obvious that

818
00:26:13,544 --> 00:26:14,744
it's gonna go in the direction that I

819
00:26:14,744 --> 00:26:16,420
hope it won't is every other thing we're

820
00:26:16,420 --> 00:26:18,180
looking at. And I I just recently talked

821
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:20,820
about this. This just this is from, yeah,

822
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:22,740
this is from the fifth. Yesterday is there

823
00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:24,680
was more kind of movement on this conversation.

824
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:28,100
Trump officials quietly moved to reverse bans on

825
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:30,734
toxic forever chemicals. So and you could argue

826
00:26:30,734 --> 00:26:31,934
that my mindset would be that I don't

827
00:26:31,934 --> 00:26:33,695
think the Biden administration truly wanted this to

828
00:26:33,695 --> 00:26:35,134
stop either. That's the kind of that's the

829
00:26:35,134 --> 00:26:36,494
way this goes. And I would even argue

830
00:26:36,494 --> 00:26:37,934
that I'm willing to bet you that if

831
00:26:37,934 --> 00:26:39,615
they go the wrong direction with the EPA

832
00:26:39,615 --> 00:26:42,335
point around fluoride, that it'll probably flounder in

833
00:26:42,335 --> 00:26:42,835
in

834
00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:46,019
feigned direction and action and investigation until somebody

835
00:26:46,019 --> 00:26:47,299
new takes over, and then it will get

836
00:26:47,299 --> 00:26:48,900
mired in that as well, just like we're

837
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:51,400
seeing here where Biden kind of feigns potential,

838
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,059
you know, we're gonna stop these things that

839
00:26:53,059 --> 00:26:54,580
we all know are bad, and now we

840
00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:56,125
see them begin to walk it back. And

841
00:26:56,125 --> 00:26:57,964
so what's problematic about this for me is

842
00:26:57,964 --> 00:26:59,565
this is it's just whether the Guardian or

843
00:26:59,565 --> 00:27:01,005
not, if you care, look into it because

844
00:27:01,005 --> 00:27:02,684
it is very real, and the information is

845
00:27:02,684 --> 00:27:04,144
out there from their own documentation.

846
00:27:04,684 --> 00:27:06,224
But it says the Trump EPA

847
00:27:06,605 --> 00:27:08,525
and the move involves changing the way the

848
00:27:08,525 --> 00:27:11,230
agency carries out chemical risk evaluations. Again, this

849
00:27:11,230 --> 00:27:12,349
is at a time, just like with the

850
00:27:12,349 --> 00:27:14,269
fluoride point, where we are well established that

851
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:16,690
PFAS is dangerous. We don't need more investigation

852
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:18,909
or more abstract nuanced ways of looking at

853
00:27:18,909 --> 00:27:20,109
the picture. You know? Oh, if you hold

854
00:27:20,109 --> 00:27:21,710
it up and squint just right, it's totally

855
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:23,390
safe. You know? And it says, which would

856
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:25,950
also preempt state laws that offer the one,

857
00:27:26,524 --> 00:27:28,924
the one a few meaningful checks on toxic

858
00:27:28,924 --> 00:27:31,085
chemicals in consumer products. And here's the important

859
00:27:31,085 --> 00:27:33,964
part. Trump's EPA's new rule would require the

860
00:27:33,964 --> 00:27:36,284
agency to evaluate whether a chemical presents a

861
00:27:36,284 --> 00:27:39,339
risk for each intended use. Not whether something's

862
00:27:39,339 --> 00:27:41,740
dangerous, but knowing something's dangerous and finding out

863
00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:43,179
if it's still dangerous if you use it

864
00:27:43,179 --> 00:27:44,859
this way. It seems pretty stupid to me.

865
00:27:44,859 --> 00:27:47,339
Formaldehyde, it says, for example, has 63 different

866
00:27:47,339 --> 00:27:49,980
uses. The agency plans to claim most chemicals

867
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:52,694
do not present an unreasonable risk. You'll love

868
00:27:52,694 --> 00:27:55,294
that. Right? That's the whole generally respect regarded

869
00:27:55,294 --> 00:27:57,015
as safe. It's still risky, but it's re

870
00:27:57,134 --> 00:27:59,855
acceptable risk in consumer goods because they make

871
00:27:59,855 --> 00:28:01,294
up such a small part of the product.

872
00:28:01,294 --> 00:28:03,214
So you could argue something's deadly, but as

873
00:28:03,214 --> 00:28:04,335
long as it's a small part of a

874
00:28:04,335 --> 00:28:06,880
larger idea, we're okay with that. So this

875
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,140
is my bigger point that I made yesterday

876
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,039
in regard to dioxins going back to the

877
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:12,799
nineties, which is at this time in the

878
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,960
nineties, even CNN was telling us dioxins were

879
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,359
a problem. They were dangerous. They were seeing

880
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,945
over a 50 times the allowed amount that

881
00:28:19,945 --> 00:28:21,785
the EPA felt was safe in your Big

882
00:28:21,785 --> 00:28:24,744
Macs and Pizza Hut. It's publicly reported. The

883
00:28:24,744 --> 00:28:26,825
reason this never changed, at the very end,

884
00:28:26,825 --> 00:28:29,144
it simply said, we're talking about hundreds of

885
00:28:29,144 --> 00:28:29,644
chemicals,

886
00:28:29,945 --> 00:28:32,880
and the chlorine industry believes each one of

887
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,039
them should be tested and judged separately. Now

888
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,799
that's what even that's a manipulation because what

889
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,440
it's really about is the the specific products

890
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,580
that lead to dioxins.

891
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:42,880
Not saying the individual things, but the one

892
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,320
thing that we know is bad, take that

893
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,154
out of it. And instead, we got mired

894
00:28:46,154 --> 00:28:47,755
in a decades long process that I don't

895
00:28:47,755 --> 00:28:49,914
think ever actually even started of them pretending

896
00:28:49,914 --> 00:28:51,195
we need to look at each individual one,

897
00:28:51,195 --> 00:28:53,695
which would be decades of research and finances,

898
00:28:53,835 --> 00:28:55,835
and it never actually happened, and now nobody

899
00:28:55,835 --> 00:28:57,835
talks about it anymore. So that long winded

900
00:28:57,835 --> 00:28:59,115
point is simply to say that I think

901
00:28:59,115 --> 00:29:01,159
with PFAS going the same direction, or they're

902
00:29:01,159 --> 00:29:03,000
saying, wait. We'll we'll take this dangerous thing

903
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,919
and just new you know, muddy the waters

904
00:29:04,919 --> 00:29:07,000
and investigate each little part of it. And

905
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,359
the same thing I argue is probably gonna

906
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:09,799
happen here with what we already know is

907
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:11,240
dangerous with fluoride. So I want your thoughts

908
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,079
on that. That's a that's a great point.

909
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:15,079
And that CNN article is, wow, man. It's

910
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:16,815
just it's so it always it's such a

911
00:29:17,855 --> 00:29:19,934
crappy but not surprising feeling to look back

912
00:29:19,934 --> 00:29:21,855
and that, wow. Some of this information was

913
00:29:21,855 --> 00:29:23,534
out there back then and nobody did anything.

914
00:29:23,534 --> 00:29:25,774
It's the same thing with fluoride fluoride scientists

915
00:29:25,774 --> 00:29:27,694
warning since the nineties about the dangers and

916
00:29:27,694 --> 00:29:28,674
then getting ignored.

917
00:29:29,049 --> 00:29:30,490
And I also find it interesting that, like,

918
00:29:30,490 --> 00:29:31,930
that's this like you were just saying, that's

919
00:29:31,930 --> 00:29:34,089
the same, process they're gonna repeat now with

920
00:29:34,089 --> 00:29:35,450
PFAS. So we're gonna have to look in

921
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:37,369
and study each individual chemical. And as that

922
00:29:37,369 --> 00:29:39,450
CNN article said at the end, which will

923
00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:41,690
take millions of dollars and multiple years to

924
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:43,525
do so, they just keep kicking the can

925
00:29:43,525 --> 00:29:44,965
down the road. And I also agree with

926
00:29:44,965 --> 00:29:47,205
you that this is just yet another example

927
00:29:47,205 --> 00:29:49,205
of how the two parties passed the baton

928
00:29:49,205 --> 00:29:51,045
back and forth. Right? I've written articles on

929
00:29:51,045 --> 00:29:52,105
this before, how

930
00:29:52,644 --> 00:29:53,945
Trump and his first administration,

931
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:56,340
at the end, some of the actions he

932
00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:58,119
took related to the border and the biometric

933
00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:00,580
security state, entry and exit program, that that

934
00:30:00,580 --> 00:30:02,259
was setting the stage for then Biden to

935
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:03,940
come in and continue to expand that. And

936
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:05,940
the same thing, it's like, okay. Biden can

937
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:07,799
look good towards the end of his term

938
00:30:07,924 --> 00:30:09,544
and say we're gonna ban PFAS,

939
00:30:10,085 --> 00:30:12,164
maybe even full well knowing, okay. When Trump

940
00:30:12,164 --> 00:30:13,605
and them get in, they're gonna undo it.

941
00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:15,765
Don't worry, industry folks. Don't freak out. We're

942
00:30:15,765 --> 00:30:17,204
gonna keep doing it. It's just we gotta

943
00:30:17,204 --> 00:30:18,884
play this little game for a little bit,

944
00:30:18,884 --> 00:30:20,565
and then Trump comes in and reverses it.

945
00:30:20,565 --> 00:30:22,980
Right? It's it's just it's so emblematic of

946
00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:24,660
the problem and the two the false binary,

947
00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:25,940
and I wish more and more people could

948
00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:28,180
see that because that's how these two parties

949
00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:29,859
operate. And I you could you could get

950
00:30:29,859 --> 00:30:31,859
mired in the two party paradigm and say,

951
00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:33,220
oh, see. This is an example of how

952
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:35,140
Biden is better than Trump because Biden actually

953
00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:36,500
was trying to do the PFAS, and now

954
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,474
Trump's undoing it. And there might be some

955
00:30:38,474 --> 00:30:39,914
element of truth there. We know that big

956
00:30:39,914 --> 00:30:41,835
oil was deep in Trump's first cabinet. I

957
00:30:41,835 --> 00:30:42,575
reported that,

958
00:30:43,115 --> 00:30:44,714
in the you know, during his first term

959
00:30:44,714 --> 00:30:45,375
for TLAB.

960
00:30:45,914 --> 00:30:47,195
But at the same time, I think the

961
00:30:47,195 --> 00:30:48,875
bigger point is to not get sucked into

962
00:30:48,875 --> 00:30:51,434
that, like, defending Biden, defending Trump, etcetera, and

963
00:30:51,434 --> 00:30:53,069
just to see this is how the two

964
00:30:53,069 --> 00:30:55,789
parties will collaborate and keep moving the ball

965
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:58,829
down the field towards their goal, which, ultimately,

966
00:30:58,829 --> 00:31:00,349
I think here is to be, you know,

967
00:31:00,349 --> 00:31:02,529
obedient to the corporations and,

968
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:04,589
folks at that. And then, of course, others

969
00:31:04,589 --> 00:31:06,434
would argue this might be part of these

970
00:31:06,674 --> 00:31:08,695
slow kill eugenic methods as well.

971
00:31:09,075 --> 00:31:11,475
Yeah. I mean, Catherine Austin Fitts, the great

972
00:31:11,475 --> 00:31:12,835
poisoning. I mean, I don't know how we

973
00:31:12,835 --> 00:31:14,595
disregard that. I mean, whether whether it's by

974
00:31:14,595 --> 00:31:15,095
accident,

975
00:31:15,475 --> 00:31:16,934
by, you know, you know,

976
00:31:17,235 --> 00:31:18,995
an add on to something else, it's very

977
00:31:18,995 --> 00:31:20,595
clearly happening. And, you know, I think that's

978
00:31:20,595 --> 00:31:21,210
such a

979
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:23,369
it's it's profoundly clear. Like, you can see

980
00:31:23,369 --> 00:31:25,450
the different aspects of the GMOs, the COVID

981
00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:27,369
nineteen shots. I mean, even, like, the COVID

982
00:31:27,369 --> 00:31:29,049
point alone, the shot we've talked about many

983
00:31:29,049 --> 00:31:31,130
times, it's like you couldn't like, almost, like,

984
00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:33,849
statistically impossible to accidentally get that many things

985
00:31:33,849 --> 00:31:35,769
wrong in a consistent way that all hurt

986
00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,494
you in very similar ways. It's like that

987
00:31:37,494 --> 00:31:39,174
seems almost impossible. And so if you then

988
00:31:39,174 --> 00:31:41,015
you stand back even further and go, then

989
00:31:41,015 --> 00:31:42,934
take that and look at GMOs and the

990
00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:44,454
food supply and the water. It's like, to

991
00:31:44,454 --> 00:31:44,954
me,

992
00:31:45,414 --> 00:31:47,174
you if either we have to recognize that

993
00:31:47,174 --> 00:31:48,875
we live under one of the most incompetently

994
00:31:49,095 --> 00:31:51,015
stupid governments in history that only does the

995
00:31:51,015 --> 00:31:52,839
wrong thing all the time or maybe they

996
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,200
don't really care about us. You know, it's

997
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,480
a little more complicated than that, but I

998
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,440
think it's a good way to look at

999
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,200
all of this. And all these different examples

1000
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,559
go in the same direction, man. And I

1001
00:31:59,639 --> 00:32:01,240
you know, I what you were saying, I

1002
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,319
do this is my opinion, but I very

1003
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:04,759
much think that's the case. I think these

1004
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:05,740
things are coordinated

1005
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:07,799
whether the Bidens and Trumps are aware of

1006
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:08,414
it or not

1007
00:32:08,894 --> 00:32:10,734
to, like like, the way Corbett explained it

1008
00:32:10,734 --> 00:32:11,775
the other day in the show is that,

1009
00:32:11,775 --> 00:32:13,295
you know, these these like you were just

1010
00:32:13,295 --> 00:32:15,535
saying, these administrations are building blocks. Right? And

1011
00:32:15,535 --> 00:32:16,975
they set this tone. There's all sorts of

1012
00:32:16,975 --> 00:32:19,215
noise on the sides of these tangential issues,

1013
00:32:19,215 --> 00:32:21,475
but the core idea continues to to expand.

1014
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:22,769
And I think we can see that going

1015
00:32:22,769 --> 00:32:25,009
back decades, the linear agenda that never really

1016
00:32:25,009 --> 00:32:27,730
falters regardless of the ongoing screaming. You know?

1017
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:29,970
And that's our hope. I I actually truly

1018
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:31,730
think more people are seeing that than ever

1019
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:33,329
for because of work like you're doing here.

1020
00:32:33,329 --> 00:32:34,365
I hope that's the case.

1021
00:32:34,845 --> 00:32:36,605
Well, I think it it also it leads

1022
00:32:36,605 --> 00:32:37,724
us into the I know you wanted to

1023
00:32:37,724 --> 00:32:39,404
cover just briefly on my story and the

1024
00:32:39,404 --> 00:32:41,325
digital IDs and the real ID because that's

1025
00:32:41,325 --> 00:32:43,325
another one that has been started with the

1026
00:32:43,325 --> 00:32:45,345
Bush administration post 09/11.

1027
00:32:45,644 --> 00:32:47,804
And, yeah, there's been some states resisting it

1028
00:32:47,804 --> 00:32:49,484
here and there, but now the deadline's coming

1029
00:32:49,484 --> 00:32:51,259
up. We're less than thirty days or maybe

1030
00:32:51,259 --> 00:32:52,960
exactly thirty days away from,

1031
00:32:53,579 --> 00:32:54,720
when the Real ID,

1032
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:56,559
you know, Real ID,

1033
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,259
IDs are gonna be required all around The

1034
00:32:59,259 --> 00:33:01,179
United States to get into federal buildings to

1035
00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:03,519
fly. And, you know, they're Even differently.

1036
00:33:03,944 --> 00:33:05,784
Yeah. It just even to travel around. And

1037
00:33:05,784 --> 00:33:07,944
they represent, like, maybe in some way, like,

1038
00:33:07,944 --> 00:33:09,784
minor changes. I see some people saying, oh,

1039
00:33:09,784 --> 00:33:11,944
Derek. Well, real ID isn't digital ID yet.

1040
00:33:11,944 --> 00:33:13,804
It's just like a little star on your

1041
00:33:13,944 --> 00:33:15,865
ID or things like that. But as debatable,

1042
00:33:15,865 --> 00:33:17,384
though. That's debatable. Well, and I think that

1043
00:33:17,384 --> 00:33:18,664
is debatable. And as I point out in

1044
00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:20,480
this article that actually if you look at,

1045
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,039
because I've been reporting on mobile's driver's licenses

1046
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:24,319
for the last couple years, and those are

1047
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,339
becoming in vogue. And now people are getting

1048
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,480
through the Apple Wallet and Google Wallet, etcetera,

1049
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,399
just having a digital ID on the phone.

1050
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,054
And I even show in the article that

1051
00:33:32,054 --> 00:33:33,815
the TSA has already got a page on

1052
00:33:33,815 --> 00:33:36,054
their website dedicated to digital ID, showing how

1053
00:33:36,054 --> 00:33:37,734
you can use digital ID to get in,

1054
00:33:37,734 --> 00:33:39,254
and part of that is related to real

1055
00:33:39,254 --> 00:33:41,254
ID. Because what do they say is a

1056
00:33:41,254 --> 00:33:43,194
a real ID, you know, efficient,

1057
00:33:43,494 --> 00:33:45,575
you know, it qualifies as real ID, either

1058
00:33:45,575 --> 00:33:46,315
your passport,

1059
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:48,470
the new IDs, like so if you've got

1060
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:49,750
an old one, you need to go you

1061
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:51,029
know, you're supposed to go in and get

1062
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:52,390
a new ID, and it's gonna have, like,

1063
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:53,909
a a little symbol on it. They're supposed

1064
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:55,750
to be harder to counterfeit, etcetera. But the

1065
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:58,069
real point, I argue, is that it's all

1066
00:33:58,069 --> 00:33:59,990
about pushing people closer to digital IDs because

1067
00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:01,509
the other thing that they say they'll accept

1068
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:04,375
is these mobile driver's licenses or just simply

1069
00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:05,674
digital driver's licenses.

1070
00:34:06,134 --> 00:34:07,654
And this is the, again, the app on

1071
00:34:07,654 --> 00:34:09,494
the phone. Some states are starting to have

1072
00:34:09,494 --> 00:34:10,934
their own apps. Some of them are letting

1073
00:34:10,934 --> 00:34:12,934
people use Apple and Google and others. But

1074
00:34:12,934 --> 00:34:14,454
the point is that there are companies, and

1075
00:34:14,454 --> 00:34:15,894
we've reported on this over the years, like

1076
00:34:15,894 --> 00:34:18,400
the Thales Group and other big companies, IDEMIA,

1077
00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:21,019
around the world who are pushing this concept

1078
00:34:21,019 --> 00:34:23,500
of mobile driver's licenses, and it ties directly

1079
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:25,739
into this rollout of the Real ID program.

1080
00:34:25,739 --> 00:34:27,739
It took them twenty years to get to

1081
00:34:27,739 --> 00:34:29,739
this point, which I think in some instance

1082
00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:32,800
you could argue that that's a testament to

1083
00:34:33,155 --> 00:34:34,214
the American people's

1084
00:34:34,514 --> 00:34:35,014
resistance

1085
00:34:35,315 --> 00:34:37,155
to this idea of a national ID card

1086
00:34:37,155 --> 00:34:38,355
because that's the other thing. For people who

1087
00:34:38,355 --> 00:34:39,875
are like, oh, I don't care, Derek. I've

1088
00:34:39,875 --> 00:34:42,594
already given Twitter and all these other people

1089
00:34:42,594 --> 00:34:44,195
my ID, and, you know, they've got my

1090
00:34:44,195 --> 00:34:45,875
face print from whenever I signed up for

1091
00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:47,734
driver's license. I see these kind of arguments.

1092
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:49,340
For one, I think we should defend and

1093
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:52,000
protect against all encroachments on our privacy.

1094
00:34:52,539 --> 00:34:54,619
But the other thing is that it is

1095
00:34:54,619 --> 00:34:57,680
really about pushing the the digital ID program,

1096
00:34:58,059 --> 00:35:00,539
and it's also about establishing a national ID

1097
00:35:00,539 --> 00:35:02,300
card. That was really the main resistance. If

1098
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:03,865
you go back to the post 09/11 era

1099
00:35:03,865 --> 00:35:05,305
when they first started talking about this, it

1100
00:35:05,305 --> 00:35:07,305
was the nine eleven commission report that recommended

1101
00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:09,325
there be some sort of national ID card.

1102
00:35:09,545 --> 00:35:11,865
And the reason it's taken so long is

1103
00:35:11,865 --> 00:35:13,625
because a lot of different states were like,

1104
00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:15,639
screw that. We're not gonna participate in this

1105
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:17,719
national ID program. That's one more step towards

1106
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,719
tyranny if the government can just track us

1107
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,400
everywhere we go instead of just having a,

1108
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,920
you know, an ID from your state or

1109
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,420
whatever.

1110
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,360
And it's taken twenty years, but in that

1111
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,234
time, they have worn the people down. And

1112
00:35:28,234 --> 00:35:30,195
a lot less people care about privacy now

1113
00:35:30,195 --> 00:35:31,554
than they did in the post nine eleven

1114
00:35:31,554 --> 00:35:33,394
world. And most people are just you know,

1115
00:35:33,394 --> 00:35:34,914
as we saw during COVID, they're gonna do

1116
00:35:34,914 --> 00:35:37,394
whatever they gotta do to to just comply

1117
00:35:37,394 --> 00:35:38,755
so they can keep flying, so they can

1118
00:35:38,755 --> 00:35:40,214
keep driving, whatever else.

1119
00:35:40,569 --> 00:35:42,489
And this is also kind of going along

1120
00:35:42,489 --> 00:35:43,769
with I know you reported on this a

1121
00:35:43,769 --> 00:35:45,929
while back, but facial recognition rolling out at

1122
00:35:45,929 --> 00:35:47,690
sports stadiums. I've had friends telling me they

1123
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:49,549
can't even go to a basketball game or

1124
00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:51,929
a a baseball game anymore without some sort

1125
00:35:51,929 --> 00:35:53,385
of digital thing. They don't even sell digital

1126
00:35:53,385 --> 00:35:55,304
cards anymore. Ticketmaster doesn't let you do that.

1127
00:35:55,304 --> 00:35:56,664
You have to sign up for this digital

1128
00:35:56,664 --> 00:35:58,585
app. So all of these are generally a

1129
00:35:58,585 --> 00:36:01,945
push towards digital IDs, national ID cards, less

1130
00:36:01,945 --> 00:36:04,985
privacy, less freedom, more tracking and tracing you

1131
00:36:04,985 --> 00:36:07,750
everywhere you go. Yeah. It's incremental steps, spoiling

1132
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:10,150
frog, totalitarian tiptoe. Right? You choose your analogy.

1133
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:12,250
It's it's clearly or your metaphor. It's clearly

1134
00:36:12,389 --> 00:36:14,170
just the the the slow building

1135
00:36:14,469 --> 00:36:15,989
and getting you in the right place. You

1136
00:36:15,989 --> 00:36:17,130
know? So you like, I mean,

1137
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:19,954
post nine elevens and shootings and whatever

1138
00:36:20,575 --> 00:36:21,098
else that are happening, like, every one of

1139
00:36:21,098 --> 00:36:22,655
those. And you can whether or not those

1140
00:36:22,655 --> 00:36:24,594
things in your mind are false flags manufactured

1141
00:36:24,655 --> 00:36:26,255
or just things that happen that we're taking

1142
00:36:26,255 --> 00:36:28,255
advantage of, it is always the same step.

1143
00:36:28,255 --> 00:36:30,015
Right? We'll take advantage of this. We'll use

1144
00:36:30,015 --> 00:36:32,175
this moment to get one more step closer

1145
00:36:32,175 --> 00:36:33,839
to that idea. And what the who knows

1146
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:35,519
whether that's even what everybody in positions of

1147
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,119
power actually are aware of or not. But

1148
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:38,719
so I what I what I think is

1149
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,719
important to what you were saying. My idea

1150
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,239
with this, which I just I talked about

1151
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,960
this the, Save Act from July 9, which

1152
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,319
is about trying to force this in in

1153
00:36:46,319 --> 00:36:48,054
real ID compliance in regard to the under

1154
00:36:48,054 --> 00:36:49,815
the guise of the border conversation. This is

1155
00:36:49,815 --> 00:36:51,015
not dead, by the way. They're just gonna

1156
00:36:51,015 --> 00:36:52,875
find another narrative to make this make sense.

1157
00:36:52,934 --> 00:36:54,454
What's interesting to me, the point you made

1158
00:36:54,454 --> 00:36:56,054
about the mobile driver's license, if you remember

1159
00:36:56,054 --> 00:36:58,295
the the Save Act, the same argument was

1160
00:36:58,295 --> 00:37:00,135
like, well, it's not there's other options on

1161
00:37:00,135 --> 00:37:01,494
there. And fair enough. Right? There was, I

1162
00:37:01,494 --> 00:37:03,989
think, a birth certificate, passport. The argument was

1163
00:37:03,989 --> 00:37:06,090
that even at this time, they were already

1164
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:07,829
arguing that at some point, those were gonna

1165
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:08,329
be,

1166
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:11,349
you know, no longer valid. And that then

1167
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:13,030
on the side of the Biden conversation so

1168
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:15,110
you had the Republicans really leaning into this

1169
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:16,869
and the Biden side of it, the Democrat

1170
00:37:16,869 --> 00:37:18,905
side of it, and then Biden's administration were

1171
00:37:18,905 --> 00:37:21,144
really pushing the mobile driver's license. Now one

1172
00:37:21,144 --> 00:37:22,344
of the things, if you read into the

1173
00:37:22,344 --> 00:37:24,505
mobile driver's license part of it, that could

1174
00:37:24,505 --> 00:37:26,585
happen once that was beginning to become a,

1175
00:37:26,585 --> 00:37:28,585
like, a national point, at first, it's it's

1176
00:37:28,824 --> 00:37:30,184
as always, it's something you can do when

1177
00:37:30,184 --> 00:37:31,679
you get a benefit, Then it's you do

1178
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:32,960
it or you don't get a benefit. And

1179
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,400
then, eventually, you have to or your grandma's

1180
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,440
gonna die. You know, it's the same kind

1181
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,280
of thing. But the point is that you

1182
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,359
get in that position where, just lost the

1183
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:41,280
thread on that. Oh, that the mobile driver's

1184
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,519
license. You know, once that becomes something that

1185
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,280
they tell you is the plan, well, they

1186
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,684
make it clear. Well, eventually, that will mean

1187
00:37:46,684 --> 00:37:48,445
that these physical things are no longer valid.

1188
00:37:48,445 --> 00:37:50,125
Right? And so if you combine those two

1189
00:37:50,125 --> 00:37:52,045
things, you can clearly see how this it's

1190
00:37:52,045 --> 00:37:53,885
the same two party side of it. Both

1191
00:37:53,885 --> 00:37:55,164
of them will point at the other as

1192
00:37:55,164 --> 00:37:57,324
the responsible one for why digital IDs became

1193
00:37:57,324 --> 00:37:59,409
the reality, but both pieces are why it

1194
00:37:59,409 --> 00:38:00,929
happened, and they come together to make that

1195
00:38:00,929 --> 00:38:03,250
a reality because the mobile driver's license part

1196
00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,170
removes the others, and then Real ID compliant

1197
00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:06,849
is all that's there. And they even just

1198
00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:08,769
recently put out the Real ID compliant thing

1199
00:38:08,769 --> 00:38:10,769
again to the Trump administration. You know? So

1200
00:38:10,769 --> 00:38:12,050
this is not a joke, and I think

1201
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:13,985
it's obvious Right. They announced the rule. Right?

1202
00:38:13,985 --> 00:38:14,965
Is the Trump administration

1203
00:38:15,265 --> 00:38:17,184
the final rule? And at back in my

1204
00:38:17,184 --> 00:38:18,945
article, there's a section where I I'm talking

1205
00:38:18,945 --> 00:38:20,864
about the facial recognition, how that ties into

1206
00:38:20,864 --> 00:38:21,765
the digital ID.

1207
00:38:22,065 --> 00:38:23,905
And the point you were just making is

1208
00:38:23,905 --> 00:38:26,625
a % since stands. The former now former

1209
00:38:26,625 --> 00:38:29,819
TSA administrator who was there before Trump came

1210
00:38:29,819 --> 00:38:31,839
in, David Pokoski, I believe,

1211
00:38:32,219 --> 00:38:35,339
he actually in 2023 or 2024, he was

1212
00:38:35,339 --> 00:38:36,799
speaking at the South by Southwest,

1213
00:38:37,099 --> 00:38:39,259
music festival, kind of big event in Austin,

1214
00:38:39,259 --> 00:38:41,339
Texas. And they have all kinds of politicians

1215
00:38:41,339 --> 00:38:43,339
and different people, little TED Talks and stuff

1216
00:38:43,339 --> 00:38:45,045
like that. And he was there as part

1217
00:38:45,045 --> 00:38:47,704
of some panel, and he specifically said

1218
00:38:48,164 --> 00:38:50,724
that it's temporary right now. It's or it's

1219
00:38:50,724 --> 00:38:52,644
it's a it's a option right now, but

1220
00:38:52,644 --> 00:38:54,565
that it's eventually going to be mandatory. Like,

1221
00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:56,565
that was his own words. And in fact,

1222
00:38:56,565 --> 00:38:59,465
some of the senators, both Democrats and Republicans,

1223
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:02,059
sent a letter to the TSA after that

1224
00:39:02,059 --> 00:39:04,140
and said, hey. Your administrator himself is out

1225
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:05,579
here in the public saying that this is

1226
00:39:05,579 --> 00:39:07,980
gonna be permanent eventually and that people won't

1227
00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:09,599
have the option to opt out of,

1228
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:12,219
the the facial recognition. Because digital IDs is

1229
00:39:12,219 --> 00:39:13,820
one step, but ultimately, the goal is to

1230
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:15,260
just use your face. Like, you don't even

1231
00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:16,835
need, like, once they get you from, like,

1232
00:39:16,835 --> 00:39:18,914
yeah, you don't need that old, you know,

1233
00:39:18,914 --> 00:39:19,734
out of date

1234
00:39:20,114 --> 00:39:22,514
ID card or birth certificate paper, all the

1235
00:39:22,514 --> 00:39:23,875
things you said they're gonna give you options.

1236
00:39:23,875 --> 00:39:25,155
Eventually, it's gonna be like, no. It's so

1237
00:39:25,155 --> 00:39:27,234
convenient. Just use your phone. But then, eventually,

1238
00:39:27,234 --> 00:39:28,594
it'll just be you don't even need that.

1239
00:39:28,594 --> 00:39:30,230
You just walk into the airport and it

1240
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:31,909
scans your face, and we know who's supposed

1241
00:39:31,909 --> 00:39:33,510
to be there. And we, you know, we

1242
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:34,869
log you in, and you could just walk

1243
00:39:34,869 --> 00:39:36,869
through it so quick and fast. It'll save

1244
00:39:36,869 --> 00:39:38,949
you the lines, etcetera. And they've been testing

1245
00:39:38,949 --> 00:39:40,010
that out for years.

1246
00:39:40,469 --> 00:39:42,150
Exactly. They've been testing this out for years

1247
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:44,309
with, like, the TSA precheck and the some

1248
00:39:44,309 --> 00:39:46,285
of these other things. They start with, like

1249
00:39:46,285 --> 00:39:48,765
you said, with, COVID, they incentivize people. Hey.

1250
00:39:48,765 --> 00:39:50,844
This is faster. It's better. And then, eventually,

1251
00:39:50,844 --> 00:39:52,844
that becomes the norm, and then you no

1252
00:39:52,844 --> 00:39:55,085
longer have an option to do anything but

1253
00:39:55,085 --> 00:39:56,765
that. And that's what this is really about

1254
00:39:56,765 --> 00:39:58,925
going towards. So the Real ID coming into

1255
00:39:58,925 --> 00:40:01,380
enforcement in the next thirty days here and

1256
00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:03,539
then mobile driver's licenses, and then we should

1257
00:40:03,539 --> 00:40:05,639
expect to see more types of digital ID.

1258
00:40:06,099 --> 00:40:07,779
This is all part of the national digital

1259
00:40:07,779 --> 00:40:09,699
ID card, and then, eventually, they will be,

1260
00:40:09,699 --> 00:40:10,679
I think, eliminated,

1261
00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:13,139
or at least the next option would be

1262
00:40:13,139 --> 00:40:14,659
just use your face. You don't even need

1263
00:40:14,659 --> 00:40:17,214
the digital ID anymore. And and just to

1264
00:40:17,214 --> 00:40:18,574
kinda go back to all this, you remember,

1265
00:40:18,574 --> 00:40:20,894
like, it's all the and this was really

1266
00:40:20,894 --> 00:40:22,815
seen at the beginning of the COVID illusion,

1267
00:40:22,815 --> 00:40:24,574
but funny enough, all of a sudden, the

1268
00:40:24,574 --> 00:40:26,815
same agendas were rationalized by something else before

1269
00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:28,414
are now being rationalized by COVID. And now

1270
00:40:28,414 --> 00:40:29,639
we're past that in a way, and the

1271
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:31,159
same agendas are still there, and there's another

1272
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:32,880
rationale for why that's the most important thing.

1273
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,119
It's all you know, it just shows you

1274
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:35,880
the agenda is what really matters. And, you

1275
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,719
know, digital ID, remember, they were really pushing.

1276
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719
We can't touch things because viruses, and, you

1277
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,079
know, we can't do all that. And now

1278
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:42,679
there's just it's now because people are coming

1279
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:43,799
across the border, and now we need to

1280
00:40:43,799 --> 00:40:44,619
look at your biometrics.

1281
00:40:44,964 --> 00:40:46,324
You know, it's just I don't know how

1282
00:40:46,324 --> 00:40:47,525
that's not the most obvious thing in the

1283
00:40:47,525 --> 00:40:49,284
world. Clearly, you can make an argument for

1284
00:40:49,284 --> 00:40:51,045
why those things can benefit in some way.

1285
00:40:51,045 --> 00:40:53,045
But we and and right now, there's this

1286
00:40:53,045 --> 00:40:55,684
massive battle in Americans' minds about what is

1287
00:40:55,684 --> 00:40:57,605
important around, you know, our rights and our

1288
00:40:57,605 --> 00:40:59,125
privacy and our liberty if it bumps up

1289
00:40:59,125 --> 00:41:01,219
against what we think the government agenda the

1290
00:41:01,219 --> 00:41:02,980
side of the government we believe in if

1291
00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:04,659
they, you know, their agenda, if that somehow

1292
00:41:04,659 --> 00:41:06,260
comes up against that. And I think this

1293
00:41:06,260 --> 00:41:07,780
is causing a lot of friction in in

1294
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:09,300
a lot of these political fields, and I

1295
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:10,739
think that that is you know, I think

1296
00:41:10,739 --> 00:41:12,260
this is one of the biggest fights of

1297
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:13,460
our time right now. And, I mean, we

1298
00:41:13,460 --> 00:41:14,739
can kind of spend the last so many

1299
00:41:14,739 --> 00:41:16,304
minutes here talking about, you know, just give

1300
00:41:16,304 --> 00:41:18,065
me your thoughts on this and where it's

1301
00:41:18,065 --> 00:41:19,824
going. And, hopefully, you've read this amazing article

1302
00:41:19,824 --> 00:41:22,065
that Derek wrote called Doge, Is Efficiency a

1303
00:41:22,065 --> 00:41:23,045
Gateway to Technocracy?

1304
00:41:23,425 --> 00:41:25,824
Going into tail Taylorism, you know, the efficiency

1305
00:41:25,824 --> 00:41:28,164
movement, these precursors to Technocracy.

1306
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,140
And I wrote I I made I basically

1307
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:31,660
put Elon's face on on the founder of

1308
00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:33,019
Taylorism there. That's a real picture, by the

1309
00:41:33,019 --> 00:41:34,860
way, of that that and this was way

1310
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:36,700
back before even, like, the technological side of

1311
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:38,460
it, but it was the same mindset, you

1312
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:40,220
know, really in a eugenics kind of way.

1313
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:41,744
So give me your thoughts on that and,

1314
00:41:41,744 --> 00:41:42,785
you know, where do you see all this

1315
00:41:42,785 --> 00:41:44,785
going with the Trump administration and the overlap

1316
00:41:44,785 --> 00:41:45,525
of this idea?

1317
00:41:46,224 --> 00:41:48,065
So I I kinda feel like some of

1318
00:41:48,065 --> 00:41:49,445
my most recent articles,

1319
00:41:49,985 --> 00:41:52,644
have which have been related to Technocracy and,

1320
00:41:53,105 --> 00:41:55,469
Doge and Trump and Peter Thiel are sort

1321
00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:57,389
of a collection of articles. I almost wanna

1322
00:41:57,389 --> 00:41:58,750
put them together. And and I would say,

1323
00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:00,190
like, if you people were to go back

1324
00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:02,590
to yeah. Including that that documentary, which is

1325
00:42:02,590 --> 00:42:04,349
based on a lot of my my articles

1326
00:42:04,349 --> 00:42:05,630
that I've been doing over the last six

1327
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:07,630
months or so, meet the man whose philosophy

1328
00:42:07,630 --> 00:42:09,550
has influenced Peter Thiel. So we first start

1329
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:12,005
out looking at, like, Peter Thiel himself and

1330
00:42:12,005 --> 00:42:13,844
how many Peter Thiel acolytes are inside the

1331
00:42:13,844 --> 00:42:15,684
Trump administration. And there's even more than I

1332
00:42:15,684 --> 00:42:17,125
put in that article that I've learned about

1333
00:42:17,125 --> 00:42:19,125
since then. And then I wanted to look

1334
00:42:19,125 --> 00:42:20,565
behind Peter Thiel. It's like, well, who are

1335
00:42:20,565 --> 00:42:22,485
the people who's actually influencing Peter Thiel and

1336
00:42:22,485 --> 00:42:24,325
David Andreessen and some of these folks who

1337
00:42:24,325 --> 00:42:26,960
are deep in there, David Sacks, etcetera. Right?

1338
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,239
So these kind of build on top of

1339
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,079
each other. You can find the evidence that's

1340
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,619
clear that Trump's administration

1341
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,739
is full

1342
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,440
of Bilderbergers and World Economic Forum members and

1343
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,119
young global leaders, and I can't believe people

1344
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,559
don't make a bigger deal about that. It's

1345
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:40,404
just it's mind blowing to me. But then

1346
00:42:40,404 --> 00:42:41,804
I wanted to look at the background of

1347
00:42:41,804 --> 00:42:43,244
Peter Thiel, and then you could even go

1348
00:42:43,244 --> 00:42:44,605
back a few months to this article I

1349
00:42:44,605 --> 00:42:47,005
wrote called you can't hide about, Elon Musk

1350
00:42:47,005 --> 00:42:49,344
building the the the satellite network, etcetera.

1351
00:42:49,644 --> 00:42:50,764
And so I feel like those are all

1352
00:42:50,764 --> 00:42:53,005
kind of inter interrelated. And with the Doge

1353
00:42:53,005 --> 00:42:53,505
article,

1354
00:42:53,869 --> 00:42:55,150
I was trying to do the same thing.

1355
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:57,070
Well, like, let's look behind this whole idea.

1356
00:42:57,070 --> 00:42:58,349
I've kind of alluded to it in a

1357
00:42:58,349 --> 00:43:00,829
few articles just referencing the efficiency movement, but

1358
00:43:00,829 --> 00:43:02,369
I wanted to do a deeper dive.

1359
00:43:03,070 --> 00:43:04,829
And as with some of these things, like,

1360
00:43:04,829 --> 00:43:06,429
you might have an intuition that there's a

1361
00:43:06,429 --> 00:43:07,869
thread there to pull and you start pulling

1362
00:43:07,869 --> 00:43:09,150
it, and you're like, wow. This is deeper

1363
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:11,025
than I even thought. That's basically what I

1364
00:43:11,025 --> 00:43:12,545
landed on, and I do encourage people to

1365
00:43:12,545 --> 00:43:13,664
read it because there's a lot of history

1366
00:43:13,664 --> 00:43:14,864
in there that I I won't have time

1367
00:43:14,864 --> 00:43:17,184
to cover here. But when you look at

1368
00:43:17,184 --> 00:43:19,744
the Technoxie movement, which we know started in

1369
00:43:19,744 --> 00:43:21,664
the nineteen thirties, '19 forties, we know that

1370
00:43:21,664 --> 00:43:23,284
Elon Musk's grandfather,

1371
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:26,389
Joshua Halemann, was involved in that in Canada,

1372
00:43:26,389 --> 00:43:26,889
elsewhere.

1373
00:43:27,429 --> 00:43:29,589
And, you know, there's also this huge South

1374
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:31,269
African connection that I wanna explore in the

1375
00:43:31,269 --> 00:43:33,030
future. Like, why is it that Peter Thiel,

1376
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:35,369
David Sachs, Elon Musk all come from

1377
00:43:35,989 --> 00:43:37,829
from South Africa or spent time there, and

1378
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:39,135
they all seem to be on the same

1379
00:43:39,135 --> 00:43:40,655
thread. I think that they're interested in some

1380
00:43:40,655 --> 00:43:41,934
sort of technocratic apart

1381
00:43:42,574 --> 00:43:44,375
apartheid, like, you know, sort of movement Yep.

1382
00:43:44,494 --> 00:43:46,034
That they might be trying to build here.

1383
00:43:46,094 --> 00:43:47,934
But I wanted to look further into into

1384
00:43:47,934 --> 00:43:50,335
what was the movements that influenced Technocracy. And

1385
00:43:50,335 --> 00:43:51,934
sure enough, you find a movement called the

1386
00:43:51,934 --> 00:43:54,199
efficiency movement. And even the fact that there

1387
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,760
was they had bureaus of efficiency. Like, you

1388
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,859
know, it was it didn't start with Doge.

1389
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,440
It didn't start with the Department of Government

1390
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Efficiency. There was a department, I think it

1391
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,839
was under Wilson, that was also about efficiency.

1392
00:44:04,839 --> 00:44:06,119
And this kind of comes out of the

1393
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:07,500
progressive movement originally.

1394
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:08,460
And

1395
00:44:08,974 --> 00:44:10,815
in some cases, it wasn't as deep as

1396
00:44:10,815 --> 00:44:12,494
technocracy, but you can see the seeds of

1397
00:44:12,494 --> 00:44:15,054
it where people started to literally study, like,

1398
00:44:15,054 --> 00:44:16,574
how do people work in the, you know,

1399
00:44:16,574 --> 00:44:18,335
in factories? This is the industrial age. So

1400
00:44:18,335 --> 00:44:20,094
a lot of people are working factory jobs.

1401
00:44:20,094 --> 00:44:22,690
How can we make the workplace more effective,

1402
00:44:23,230 --> 00:44:25,470
more efficient? And then and that movement was

1403
00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:27,710
funded by the Carnegies, by the Rockefellers, and

1404
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:28,210
others.

1405
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:30,110
And then as I looked into that, I

1406
00:44:30,110 --> 00:44:32,910
discovered this man, Frederick Winslow Taylor, and he

1407
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:35,164
was kind of part of the efficiency movement,

1408
00:44:35,164 --> 00:44:37,405
but also sort of, like, standing on his

1409
00:44:37,405 --> 00:44:39,405
own. In fact, his philosophy got the nickname

1410
00:44:39,405 --> 00:44:42,224
Taylorism or as he called it scientific management.

1411
00:44:42,364 --> 00:44:44,445
And this guy was, like, some kind of,

1412
00:44:44,445 --> 00:44:46,284
like, character out of a cartoon or something.

1413
00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:48,179
Like, he apparently walked around with a stopwatch

1414
00:44:48,179 --> 00:44:50,339
watch everywhere Right. And, like, was literally always

1415
00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:52,179
just logging, like, the the you know, like,

1416
00:44:52,179 --> 00:44:53,539
we could have saved two seconds here. You

1417
00:44:53,539 --> 00:44:54,839
know, we could be more efficient.

1418
00:44:55,219 --> 00:44:57,380
And even studied, like, workers, like, let's say

1419
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:58,900
you're on assembly line and you're moving a

1420
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:00,659
box from one place to the next. He

1421
00:45:00,659 --> 00:45:02,599
started thinking, like, okay. Well, if they move

1422
00:45:02,715 --> 00:45:04,474
to the left instead of the right, they

1423
00:45:04,474 --> 00:45:06,394
can save three seconds, and we could save

1424
00:45:06,394 --> 00:45:07,835
x amount of dollars. Like, this is how,

1425
00:45:07,835 --> 00:45:08,575
like, micromanaging

1426
00:45:08,954 --> 00:45:09,934
this guy's mind

1427
00:45:10,235 --> 00:45:12,155
was. And so he wrote books called the

1428
00:45:12,155 --> 00:45:13,695
principles of scientific management.

1429
00:45:14,394 --> 00:45:16,795
And, of course, this influenced the efficiency movement.

1430
00:45:16,795 --> 00:45:18,420
This ended up influencing technocracy.

1431
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,960
But what I find found really interesting as

1432
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,019
I dug into this,

1433
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,119
Frederick Winslow Taylor and another man, he used

1434
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,880
to work at the steel company. That's where

1435
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,719
he started developing his ideas of how to

1436
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,219
make steel more efficient and that whole industry.

1437
00:45:31,414 --> 00:45:33,175
And he went to this fair and, you

1438
00:45:33,175 --> 00:45:34,375
know, they used to have world fairs and

1439
00:45:34,375 --> 00:45:35,414
stuff like that. And he went to this

1440
00:45:35,414 --> 00:45:37,355
nineteen o one exposition in Paris

1441
00:45:37,655 --> 00:45:39,574
where he was showing his, you know, his

1442
00:45:39,574 --> 00:45:41,175
ideas as well as how he could make

1443
00:45:41,175 --> 00:45:42,635
steel production more efficient.

1444
00:45:43,014 --> 00:45:45,094
And at that event, there was these German

1445
00:45:45,094 --> 00:45:47,809
engineers who end up being very influential in

1446
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:50,130
the German, World War one fight as well

1447
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:52,210
as in some level up to World War

1448
00:45:52,210 --> 00:45:54,130
two and Hitler and the Reich. Not trying

1449
00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:55,210
to say that, you know, these guys weren't

1450
00:45:55,329 --> 00:45:57,010
that Winslow was a Nazi or anything like

1451
00:45:57,010 --> 00:45:58,065
that. But his

1452
00:45:58,385 --> 00:46:01,264
his ideas absolutely influenced it. I found books

1453
00:46:01,264 --> 00:46:03,125
specifically referencing how these engineers

1454
00:46:03,425 --> 00:46:04,565
witnessed his work

1455
00:46:04,864 --> 00:46:07,505
at the fair, went back to Germany, translated

1456
00:46:07,505 --> 00:46:09,585
his books into German, and they became very

1457
00:46:09,585 --> 00:46:12,464
popular influence like the technocratic, the technicians, and

1458
00:46:12,464 --> 00:46:15,079
engineer class. And I also found that even

1459
00:46:15,139 --> 00:46:17,480
Vladimir Lenin, who's, of course, the revolutionary,

1460
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:20,339
you know, end up becoming a dictator under

1461
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:21,940
the beginning of what is now the Soviet

1462
00:46:22,099 --> 00:46:23,859
you you know, the the Federation Of Russia,

1463
00:46:23,859 --> 00:46:25,480
what would become the Soviet Union,

1464
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:26,599
the Bolsheviks.

1465
00:46:27,005 --> 00:46:27,824
Back in 1917,

1466
00:46:28,285 --> 00:46:31,824
they had their revolution, October two October 1917.

1467
00:46:31,965 --> 00:46:33,585
Within six months of that revolution,

1468
00:46:33,885 --> 00:46:35,505
Lenin is quoting from,

1469
00:46:35,885 --> 00:46:37,885
Taylor specifically and saying, like, we need to

1470
00:46:37,885 --> 00:46:39,315
take his ideas and sort of create some

1471
00:46:39,315 --> 00:46:40,065
sort of

1472
00:46:40,364 --> 00:46:40,864
socialist

1473
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:45,030
Taylorist movement, socialist efficiency movement. And because he

1474
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:47,349
saw the potential, you know, Winslow may have

1475
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:49,109
just been Taylor may have just been literally

1476
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:51,589
thinking, like, this could make the workplace more

1477
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:53,589
efficient, but what they saw was if you

1478
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:55,109
take these ideas and you apply them to

1479
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:56,170
an entire society,

1480
00:46:56,474 --> 00:46:58,715
then you can micromanage everything. You can you

1481
00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:00,155
know, you you and they were talking about

1482
00:47:00,155 --> 00:47:01,755
the machines, of course, what we would call

1483
00:47:01,755 --> 00:47:03,515
AI right now. And so it's just very

1484
00:47:03,515 --> 00:47:04,015
interesting

1485
00:47:04,635 --> 00:47:06,635
that when you trace the origins of what

1486
00:47:06,635 --> 00:47:09,355
Musk clearly is embracing with this technocracy and

1487
00:47:09,355 --> 00:47:11,190
what his grandfather was up to and so

1488
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:12,949
many of these ideas. And you look at

1489
00:47:12,949 --> 00:47:15,589
the precursors to that because all philosophies build

1490
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:16,630
on top of each other. You know? It

1491
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:18,070
didn't just come out of nowhere for the

1492
00:47:18,070 --> 00:47:19,750
most part. It was kind of building on

1493
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:21,670
the time of the great depression. People are

1494
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:23,349
looking for new ideas. People are looking to

1495
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:26,275
make government and workplaces more efficient. But it's

1496
00:47:26,275 --> 00:47:28,195
just interesting that two of the groups that

1497
00:47:28,195 --> 00:47:29,494
ended up taking these ideas,

1498
00:47:30,034 --> 00:47:31,954
the Germans during World War one and then

1499
00:47:31,954 --> 00:47:34,295
eventually the Nazis, and then also the communist

1500
00:47:34,355 --> 00:47:36,755
right from the beginning, the Bolshevik revolution, they

1501
00:47:36,755 --> 00:47:38,275
were like, look. Let's take these ideas and

1502
00:47:38,275 --> 00:47:40,650
let's embrace them and and apply them to

1503
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:41,710
our entire society.

1504
00:47:42,090 --> 00:47:43,769
And then that goes on to influence the

1505
00:47:43,769 --> 00:47:46,030
efficiency movement, that goes on to influence technocracy,

1506
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:47,769
and here we are a hundred years later

1507
00:47:47,769 --> 00:47:49,469
with the Department of Government Efficiency.

1508
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:52,010
Right. And what a cosmic joke it is

1509
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:54,114
to have the Republican Party running out this

1510
00:47:54,114 --> 00:47:55,875
old progressive idea. Like, this is this kind

1511
00:47:55,875 --> 00:47:57,394
of, like, this cycle around or whatever you

1512
00:47:57,394 --> 00:47:59,474
would call that, you know, socialist background. It's

1513
00:47:59,474 --> 00:48:02,194
just it's kinda just almost hilarious, but alarming

1514
00:48:02,194 --> 00:48:03,714
and sad at the same time. But, yeah,

1515
00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:05,714
I mean, it it's so interesting to see

1516
00:48:05,714 --> 00:48:06,855
this web

1517
00:48:07,299 --> 00:48:08,900
of how long this has influenced. And, you

1518
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:10,099
know, I mean, even going back to, like,

1519
00:48:10,099 --> 00:48:12,019
South Africa, for example. Like and and, look,

1520
00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:13,299
it's not just to make it about one

1521
00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:14,900
thing in general. Like, you you've taken even

1522
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:16,659
Zionism, for example. You could argue that these

1523
00:48:16,659 --> 00:48:18,359
things, like, David Icke would point to Saboteanism

1524
00:48:18,579 --> 00:48:20,420
and, like, these these precursors to what it

1525
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:22,019
is. And it's just interesting you can see

1526
00:48:22,019 --> 00:48:24,155
these direct threads, and it's just as if

1527
00:48:24,235 --> 00:48:25,594
like, even back to the the point of

1528
00:48:25,594 --> 00:48:27,514
the current two party illusion and the idea

1529
00:48:27,514 --> 00:48:29,195
that they think they're fighting communism and it's,

1530
00:48:29,195 --> 00:48:31,594
like, essentially rolling out a weird technocratic version

1531
00:48:31,594 --> 00:48:33,394
of exactly that. It just it it just

1532
00:48:33,514 --> 00:48:35,275
you wonder how this is not more obvious.

1533
00:48:35,275 --> 00:48:36,289
You know? But I I think that you

1534
00:48:36,289 --> 00:48:38,250
can see this kind of central evil, if

1535
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:39,690
you can call it whatever you want, that

1536
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:40,989
seems to be this continuing

1537
00:48:41,610 --> 00:48:43,930
influential factor in all of these different problems.

1538
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:45,369
Like, the reason I bring in Zionism to

1539
00:48:45,369 --> 00:48:46,570
that is because it's clear, I was just

1540
00:48:46,570 --> 00:48:48,675
talking about earlier today, of how obvious you

1541
00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:50,675
can see its tendrils around all these different

1542
00:48:50,675 --> 00:48:52,434
horrible things going back over the last hundred

1543
00:48:52,434 --> 00:48:54,594
years. And so it's like to disregard that

1544
00:48:54,594 --> 00:48:56,755
is just irresponsible. And so to make the

1545
00:48:56,755 --> 00:48:58,594
same point here, we can see where this

1546
00:48:58,594 --> 00:49:00,275
stems from. We can see that and and

1547
00:49:00,275 --> 00:49:01,635
to your point, this is not even just

1548
00:49:01,635 --> 00:49:03,679
like a, you know, it looks the same.

1549
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:06,000
There's direct connections even just to his grandfather

1550
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,760
for crying out loud. You know, I think

1551
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,400
this is a monumentally important reality, and I

1552
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,159
think that this kind of background work is

1553
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:14,880
truly opening people's minds to whether they think

1554
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,445
Elon, the rest, or whoever they're pointing to

1555
00:49:16,445 --> 00:49:17,804
is a problem or not or on their

1556
00:49:17,804 --> 00:49:20,065
side or not, that what they're seeing happen.

1557
00:49:20,445 --> 00:49:21,644
You know, the same thing we're talking about

1558
00:49:21,644 --> 00:49:23,005
with, like, the great reset coming out of

1559
00:49:23,005 --> 00:49:25,005
this administration. It's like, stop looking at what

1560
00:49:25,005 --> 00:49:26,605
they're telling you, what they want you to

1561
00:49:26,605 --> 00:49:28,045
think they're trying to do. Just look at

1562
00:49:28,045 --> 00:49:29,485
what's actually happening. And I think that a

1563
00:49:29,485 --> 00:49:31,590
point applies right here, that this is exactly

1564
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:33,110
what you're highlighting. And I think that this

1565
00:49:33,110 --> 00:49:35,670
is, I would argue, not making the world

1566
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:38,090
a better place. It's the it's the bastardized

1567
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:40,309
version of, let's use this to better control

1568
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:41,989
people for our benefit. That's how I see

1569
00:49:41,989 --> 00:49:43,829
this in Portugal. Absolutely. I I don't even

1570
00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:45,769
I I wouldn't argue that Taylor

1571
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:48,215
was, you know, creating his ideas or come

1572
00:49:48,215 --> 00:49:49,974
up with these ideas so that dictators could

1573
00:49:49,974 --> 00:49:50,954
later use them.

1574
00:49:51,335 --> 00:49:52,614
But that's just you know, once you come

1575
00:49:52,614 --> 00:49:54,295
up with an idea, that's how philosophy works.

1576
00:49:54,295 --> 00:49:56,135
It's out there into the human consciousness, and

1577
00:49:56,135 --> 00:49:57,735
people will take it and twist it however

1578
00:49:57,735 --> 00:49:59,920
they want. And, I I definitely think, though,

1579
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,519
it's important to study that background, so I

1580
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:03,059
encourage people to check that out.

1581
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,280
Yeah. Definitely, brother. Well, thank thanks for,

1582
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,360
coming in today and and chatting. I think

1583
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,400
we should do this more often. I always

1584
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,440
like to talk with you, and I think

1585
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,880
your work is is profound. Make sure you

1586
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,300
guys check out the conscious resistance as well.

1587
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:14,744
Is you know, he does amazing work for

1588
00:50:14,744 --> 00:50:16,025
t lab, but he also has his own

1589
00:50:16,025 --> 00:50:18,505
platform, consciousresistantnetworkor.com.

1590
00:50:18,505 --> 00:50:20,344
And I'll include that. And I do eventually

1591
00:50:20,344 --> 00:50:21,784
wanna do some more in-depth work with you

1592
00:50:21,784 --> 00:50:23,304
on, you know, interviews and whatnot about your

1593
00:50:23,304 --> 00:50:24,824
your peer in power. I think it's important

1594
00:50:24,824 --> 00:50:25,944
that you guys check out his work on

1595
00:50:25,944 --> 00:50:27,210
that and a lot of other things. But

1596
00:50:27,369 --> 00:50:28,809
anything else to add? To you about that.

1597
00:50:28,809 --> 00:50:30,250
Yeah. I was just I would love to

1598
00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:31,449
talk with you about that in the future.

1599
00:50:31,449 --> 00:50:33,130
I'm I'm as soon as we end here,

1600
00:50:33,130 --> 00:50:35,050
I'm getting back into my script. I'm finishing

1601
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:37,130
the seventeenth chapter right now, and I'll have

1602
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:38,409
a lot more to share on that,

1603
00:50:39,130 --> 00:50:40,650
very soon. So I would definitely look forward

1604
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:42,730
to coming back and sharing about the pyramid

1605
00:50:42,730 --> 00:50:45,265
of power. People can find it at thepyramidofpower.net.

1606
00:50:45,265 --> 00:50:47,664
All the current 16 episodes are available there

1607
00:50:47,664 --> 00:50:49,344
for free. And I'll that'll be included in

1608
00:50:49,344 --> 00:50:50,545
the show notes for everyone to check out.

1609
00:50:50,545 --> 00:50:52,625
And, definitely, we should make sure that happens.

1610
00:50:52,625 --> 00:50:54,625
But, thanks for taking the time, Derek. And

1611
00:50:54,625 --> 00:50:57,045
as always, everybody out there, question everything.

1612
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,500
Come to your own conclusions.

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Stay vigilant.