Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. Joining me
today is Vanessa Bealy, here to follow-up on
a story that has been developing, that we've
been covering the last couple of days in
regard to Syria, really, honestly, for quite a
while. March 8 for the most part, but
long before that if you understand the full
breadth of the story, which which is, the
discussion around or, like, March was the wrong
month. The discussion around the idea of the
fall of Assad
and the overtaking of that country. Now, obviously,
there's a lot of mixed narratives and a
lot of misinformation flying around. The obvious facts
that we can see is that the group,
Hayat Erl Sham, that Vanessa and I have
talked about more than once, that she's been
doing work around for a very long time,
clearly has been backed by The US and
Israel. These are facts that aren't that are
on the table.
The interesting overlap is what's happened since. And
the argument this is some kind of a
popular revolution even though the evidence on the
ground with ISIS patch wearing support, people supported
by these two entities that are
extremists, whether Al Qaeda, ISIS overlap,
executing people in the streets.
All the time forward now, we're coming back
to a a kind of partisan focus on
the conversation when that very same group, when
they've tried to whitewash and put them in
a suit and act like this is some
kind of, literally I can't believe still that
they use the term,
was it, now I'm gonna forget. It wasn't
like a it was something about a woke
jihadist or something in that mindset about somehow
a a a, you know, rejuvenated
jihadist
and the idea being that this is somehow
different. And now the partisan focus is why
we're seeing a mass
slaughtering, a massacre of all the whites largely,
but really just anybody in the wrong location
in a coastal area or happened to have
the wrong accent. And this is exactly what
we were talking about. And when Christians included,
but, really, just anybody that is in the
wrong place at the wrong time, that this
is what would happen when the people that
we have been pointing to for a very
long time were allowed to take power, and
this is ultimately what the Assad government had
been fighting the entire time. And now the
interesting
conversation where the people who supported those groups,
who told you that they were in power
now because of their air strikes, because of
what they did, are now turning around and
saying, look at this is why Muslims are
bad. Here's the radical Islam that we've been
fighting. Even though you can draw a straight
line back from them to the funding of
these very groups, proudly supporting them as it
was happening. So Vanessa's here to tell us
what's really going on as usual. Somebody who
is on the ground fighting these things, showing
you the truth from day one, and, and
hopefully that truth can break through today. So,
Vanessa, thank you for joining as always. How
are you?
Oh, I'm fine. Thanks. I noticed that we've
got the usual Internet gremlins whenever we get
together. It's it's kind of,
a a little bit delayed
when I'm listening to you, so we'll try
to overcome that. We always seem to have
this problem.
Yeah. Every single time it seems in a
really obvious way, but it's the way the
world that's the technocratic world we live in.
But thank you thank you for taking the
time because I know that this is a
very serious and I know emotional and personal
conversation for you, and it it's something that
I mean, really, it's human life and suffering,
so I think it should be for everybody
with, you know, I guess, compassion.
So thank you for taking the time to
talk about this because it's I mean, you
could tell me to what degree you think
it's worse or less or what it's been
in the past, but I've never really seen
the the whether it's just the partisan kind
of political conversation or the foreign policy extension
of that. I I just I it's a
little bit unnerving to see how wild it's
gotten, how whether it's about free speech or
anything else where it's just like the diametric
opposite of what they're claiming
and and yet it just doesn't people that
wanna support it will support it anyway. I
mean, this is a really bad conversation. So,
I mean, I'd I'd like to start, if
you could, to for those I mean, I'll
include all of our previous interviews and the
conversation we've had going back a long
way. But for for those that wanna get
caught up in all this, but I'd like
to start with, like, what is the reality
of Syria right now? Because I've made this
point in the past about other locations where,
you know, the like, the
Balkanization idea where these things have been these
countries don't really exist anymore, but yet the
name is on the map. Like, you know,
any number of different things. Like, we're seeing
the moving of bound of of borders for
every aspect of what Israel is, but the
the conversation stays the same. We pretend that
these things are still the same country. Does,
you know, does Syria still exist in the
context of what Syria was? And, you know,
what what's the reality of that on the
ground from a governmental standpoint and before we
even get into, like, what's happening today?
Yeah. I mean, you know, it's it's very
difficult to see Syria as still being,
what is a sovereign nation. You know, its
borders
are not under its control.
Israel,
since December,
when the international coup successfully
overthrew the Syrian
government
and put in power an Al Qaeda
junta,
you know, with no,
mandate from the people whatsoever
that,
Junta then proceeded to
dissolve
the
parliament to dissolve.
They came in with a mandate to hold
elections,
and to rewrite the constitution. And, of course,
that is one of the reasons that was
used by the West to to demonize president
Assad is that he was delaying,
the rewriting of the constitution. And yet soon
as he elected
Jelani
was,
basically saying that elections would not happen for
four years. The constitution
would not be
rewritten for at least three years and so
you know almost immediately
it became very apparent
that this was a government that was completely
illegitimate
but was legitimized immediately by the Western
countries like The US, The UK, the EU,
the Gulf States,
by Turkey, even by Russia,
who were very fast to go and legitimize
the government with a visit by
the deputy foreign minister Bogdanoff
very shortly after,
Jolani came to power. I'm calling him Jolani
because
I refused
to
adopted name of Ahmed al Shadda. He's, Mohammed
Abu Jelani,
sorry, Abu Mohammed al Jelani.
And he's still HTS. He's still Al Qaeda.
His entire government is made up of Al
Qaeda elements, majority of whom have Turkish citizenship.
Right?
They they can't even legitimately be called Syrian.
The new Syrian army because, of course, he
he completely
dissolved not only the Syrian army, but even
the Palestinian,
resistance factions within Syria. So while claiming to
support Palestine,
he's actually dissolved all of the Palestinian resistance
factions and taken away
their arms and reduced their status to refugees.
They were never actually refugees in Syria. They
were always given citizenship,
but they were not given,
naturalization
in Syria to enable them to have the
right to return
in Palestine. That's a very important point to
to make. Syria was one of the countries
that did the most for,
Palestinian refugees after the Nakba
of nineteen forty eight. And then, of course,
almost immediately, I mean, even on the day
that I managed to get out of Damascus,
Israel was,
destroying Syria's,
defense and offense capability,
from a military perspective,
destroying their air defense capability,
their,
air bases,
their radar equipment, their navy,
all of their military installations including,
their development and research centers from where they
had to a large extent been producing the
weapons,
that were being sent to the Palestinian resistance
and to the Lebanese resistance
in their war against,
the illegal
occupation by the Zionist entity.
And so, yeah, you know, almost immediately,
Syria,
really ceased to be the sovereign nation that
we all knew, and it became very clear
immediately again that the plan was to partition,
Syria.
It's becoming very apparent now that the reason
that HTS to a large degree was imposed
upon the Syrian people was to create such
an extremist,
sectarian
atmosphere where ethnic cleansing programs
were ongoing from the December 9
onwards despite reassurances
from Jelani that that, you know, people would
be safe and so on. People were encouraged
to come back to their towns
and villages. Soldiers were encouraged to,
basically
apply for amnesty.
Those same soldiers now are being executed on
the spot again across,
Syria.
And, you know, so therefore,
where is Syria now?
In the South, of course, it's now under,
Israeli control.
In the North, largely under Turkish control.
In the center under the control of the
various HTS,
elements, which include
probably 40%
foreign mercenaries
under the HTS umbrella.
In the Northeast, you have still,
US bases and in the East on the
border with Iraq and Jordan.
And, of course, The US is controlling
not only the Kurdish separatist factions
that have now just signed a deal with
HTS. We'll come on to that in a
bit.
But they're also controlling,
ISIS, the the ISIS holding camps in the
Northeast and sort of redirecting them to previously
carry out attacks against the Syrian Arab army
and their allies inside Syria, but now also
redirecting them towards Iraq,
and towards attacks not only against the Iraqi
resistance factions,
but also against, for example,
electrical power stations and so on. In other
words,
destabilizing
civilian infrastructure
in Iraq just as they did for the
last fourteen years,
inside Syria.
Yeah. So there's a couple of things I
wanna ask around that. So in in in
regard to the resistance aspect of it. So,
I mean, obviously, you answered the question in
regard to Syria, and I that's exactly what
I would think as well is that this
is,
essentially doesn't exist anymore in the sense of
what it actually was now that they have
ascent not just because this power is shifting,
but because they're going to break this up
into different locations. I'm wondering whether they ever
even, like you know, is it gonna be
Kurdistan on the map, or are they just
gonna still make it Syria? Well, I guess
we'll have to wait and see. I just
that's my point is that it's just about
the the narrative going forward in a lot
of this. But in regard to, like, a
resistance aspect, I'm still seeing, as you pointed
out, Israel, I think yesterday or the day
before, like, act continuing to bomb certain locations.
Is there any verifiable L S element of
resistance
that would represent even just against fighting whatever
this is, maybe even still trying to reinstall
some kind of Assad control? Are any of
that still happening in regards to what's happening
on the ground?
Yeah. I mean, you do have,
I think what they're calling themselves is the
Islamic resistance in Syria, which, of course, is,
similar to the Islamic resistance of Iraq.
They have been carrying out isolated attacks against,
Zionist positions in the South. There have been
some protests, for example, in Kuneitra, when the,
Druze communities in Sueda, even in Dara,
all of which are areas South Of Damascus
against,
Israeli occupation.
But effectively, the HTS,
government has has I mean, while they're massacring,
Ala Whites and other,
minorities
on the coastal areas
and even down into Hamar and and near
Homs, for example,
they're ignoring,
the the consistent
expansion
by Israel into Syrian territory. You know? Now
they're moving forward North Of Adara, which is
like
South Of Damascus.
They recently got involved in,
clashes between the Druze factions
in Jerimana,
which is,
a kind of a suburb to the Southeast
Of Damascus, very close to the
Shia Muslim,
pilgrim and shrine of Seyda Zaynab that was
regularly bombed, of course,
by Israel
during,
the
the former,
presidency.
And they're basically piggybacking
the the Druze conflict with HTS,
and issuing statements that they will come to
the protection of the Druze against HTS. They
are describing HTS as an Islamist extremist
regime despite the fact that, of course, they
supported them since 02/2011.
They provided them
with arms, with hospital treatment,
with their support,
very important
of the kind of
conditions. Israel was there offering escort for them
against the Syrian Arab army.
Now they're they're playing the game of of
kind of describing it as an Islamist
extremist regime
saying that they will come to the protection
of the Druze. The Druze are basically putting
out statements saying we, you know, we didn't
ask for this.
But if you look at the trajectory
of of basically where Israel wants to end
up, it's the David Corridor.
So what that means is full control of,
territory South Of Damascus
and then a corridor going up, the Eastern
flank of Syria
joining with the Northeast, which, of course, is
under the control of the Kurds that are
also very much backed,
by Israel,
and then finally,
entering Iraq up to the banks of the
Euphrates. This is part of the greater Israel
map.
And so that's very clear that they see
their support of the Druze as being part
of that ability to expand,
their territorial gains inside Syria. And I think
it's also very important to make a note
that right now,
Russia and Israel
appear to be entering into partnership
inside Syria
to basically
push back against Erdogan's
neo Ottoman,
ambitions.
And so Israel is actually lobbying The United
States
to allow Russia to maintain its places,
in Tartus and Latakia on on the coastal
areas, the Eastern Mediterranean coastal areas of Syria.
And, you know, we're seeing this collaboration now
between Israel and Russia being very much as
a pushback, as I said, against Turkey. And
I think, you know, we have to remember
to some degree,
it's believed
that really Turkey betrayed all of them. Why?
Because the initial
intelligence
was suggesting
that HTS was kind of supposed to stop
at Aleppo.
In reality, of course, we know what happened,
for various reasons and know the Syrian Arab
Army didn't surrender all its weapons. It was
also
betrayed. Commanders who were still fighting were taken
off the field.
Russia was effectively
bombing, empty land. It wasn't bombing the HDS
convoy
that were
information
they took from on the ground while I
was there
but also,
after
Damascus on the December 8.
And so, you know, really, this is this
is
Russia's way of saying, right, you know, like,
we'll get our own back now because Turkey
pushed HTS forward and its own, Syrian National
Army, which were formerly a free Syrian army,
which are the Muslim Brotherhood factions under control
of Erdogan and and Ankara,
push them forward into Damascus,
when
Damascus
fell, but in reality,
the groups that actually entered Damascus First
were the Russian formed fifth legion, which were
formed under armed groups in the South that
were also very much supported in Israel. They
were the first,
excuse me, to enter Damascus.
So
clear to me now
now the conflict
is to a degree between Turkey and Israel,
although they collaborated in the first place,
to overthrow the Syrian,
government. And, of course, we know that
Erdogan has been supplying
oil from Baku. It's been supplying
materials to make weapons and so on
to Israel throughout the Palestinian genocide
despite claims that it stopped.
We know from from people that have been
tracking the shipping and so on that it
has continued, basically.
And just to make sure because it was
cutting out a little bit throughout that. So
you're you said that it seems as if
Turkey and Israel are the ones kind of
no. It wasn't your fault, obviously. For the
the so Turkey and Israel were the ones
that were they're fighting essentially over Syria. Is
that what you were saying?
Yeah. I mean, basically,
the initial coup was a collaboration
between very much Turkey and Israel
Oh. To overthrow the Syrian government. Yeah. But
now what we're seeing,
is that there is potential for other ones'
neo Ottoman
empire ambitions
to clash with Israel's greater Israel
expansionism.
Right. And so therefore, what Israel is now
doing is trying to rope Russia in to
a degree,
and I have to say Russia appears to
be coming rather willingly into that partnership,
to have control of the coast through Russia,
Russia maintaining its military bases,
and basically to be able to take control
of that Eastern Northeastern Corridor to prevent
the Ottoman
expansion,
into Iraq and towards,
Azerbaijan,
of course, because Turkey and Israel
have some control in as well, a lot
of control in Azerbaijan,
you know, leading up to the borders of
Iran. So this is really interesting. I wanna
make sure we at least touch on the
Russia part of that, what you feel from
that, what your thoughts are in that based
on the previous, you know, situation. But before
that so what's what is really first actually
noticed for those that haven't really seen this
this is not a hypothetical.
This as you guys as you guys probably
know, there's even a patch on their uniforms
right now. Greater Israel is a very real
and public discussion. There is a part of
Greater Israel that goes into Turkey. Right? But
note that it it literally has designs that
take half of Iraq, most of Syria, part
of Kuwait,
half of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt. Like, this
is what it looks like to have a
real globalist mindset or, you know, authoritarian aspect.
But the interesting part here is that when
we first talked about this, right, when we
first got together right after that and, by
the way, I I did think I said
the wrong month. I think I was correct.
I think I said March on accident. Obviously,
not three days ago. We meant December 8.
But the point was that, when we talked
about this right afterward, what was interesting was
that we were kinda theorizing. Right? Because we
didn't really know what's going on. And one
of the things we were discussing was what
actually happened in regard to why you know?
And one of the theorizing points was whether
Israel essentially had just taken advantage of the
situation and rushed in and taken more territory,
but it sounds like that might have been
kind of the design from Turkey and Israel.
And I'm curious what you think what US
was was that part of their plan as
well? Like, everything seems to be happening, seems
to be to their detriment for everybody else.
And I just find it to be very
conspicuous.
But then I also want your thoughts on
on Russia's play in all of this in
regard to,
you know, is that Russia
double crossing Syria? Or how do you see
that? Like, I find it hard to wrap
my mind around them willingly working alongside Israel
with all that we thought was happening before
in regard to Syria and Russia and you
know? So what are your thoughts on all
that?
Yeah. Well, I think from from The United
States' point of view, of course, one of
kind of
one of Trump's,
election,
mandates that he gave himself was to withdraw
his troops from Syria, and that had been
one of his mandates back in his,
first administration.
And so,
it would be to The US advantage because
right now,
I think Trump is not focused on Syria.
He's not particularly focused on the Middle East
per se other than sort of closing.
And I don't mean to sound sort of
very cynical on this, but literally closing the
Gaza file, closing the Palestine file,
and
and bringing about the normalization
of all of the,
Sunni
Islamic states, you know, including Saudi Arabia. That
that is
his ambition,
apart from his, you know, waterfront development ambitions
also in Gaza and so on.
But I think for The US, it would
be hugely advantageous
if Israel took control of that eastern corridor
and,
coming into
the Northeast. Because
what would that mean? That would mean Trump
can withdraw his troops and know that that
area is safely under the control of their
strongest ally,
if not, you know, their military
outpost in the region.
What is interesting
for me is is this,
SDF contract that's just been signed between the
SDF and
HTS,
bringing SDF
under the control
of the kind of new Syrian army, although
I
would contest whether it's Syrian and whether it's
an army or just another terrorist,
faction basically being created, another part of the
Tech Fury project.
But if that happens,
that actually brings
the
nemesis of Turkey,
which are the SDF,
under the control
effectively
of
Turkey's proxy, which is HTS, but HTS also
double up as a proxy for Israel and
for The United States. Mhmm. So, you know,
there's a lot of maneuvering
going on right now, and whether Turkey sees
this as a potential,
avenue to be able to end the Kurdish
problem, if you like, in the Northeast and
to give them potentially,
let's say, at least joint control in the
Northeast to give HTS,
access to the oil, of course, which was
always
denied to president Assad and to the Syrian
government previously.
And there is potential that there's been a
deal done
by Israel to allow this
on the to allow basically HTS to have
access to their resources
in the Northeast in in order to turn
a blind eye to Israel being in the
South
and extending
their reach beyond the occupied the illegally occupied,
Golan
territories.
Now
coming back to to Russia, I mean, I
think we talked about this, what actually happened
during the battles,
and it became very clear
that
and it's becoming even clearer now, I have
to say, that a deal was done between
The United States
and Russia over Ukraine. I mean, that's pretty
much what we've seen since Trump was inaugurated
as we've seen these discussions overseas fire.
We've seen Zelensky going through the theater of
of getting, you know, slapped,
basically,
and now coming into
line. Right?
And it's very clear
that a deal,
was at least in the making before Trump
was inaugurated, and then, of course, it it
it all started processing.
Right?
And so,
in in my opinion and and it was
kind of interesting. I was talking to someone
here,
who has studied
the relationship of Russia with The Middle East
for some time.
And as he said, look, you know, we
have to understand that Russia's red line is
actually Israel.
It's not gonna do anything that's going to
threaten the stability and security of Israel in
the region.
And how Russia perceives
partnerships,
Putin looks for strong partnerships.
So for example,
it's currently partnering, for example, with Iran
because it sees Iran as a country that
is,
a sovereign country.
It has
managed to develop
and grow despite the sanctions that have been
imposed against it for decades.
Its borders are secure.
It's a sovereign nation. It's a strong sovereign
nation. Right? The same with Turkey. Turkey, at
Bagley, is is a new Ottoman empire. It
was previously an
empire, but it's a strong,
it's a strong nation.
How Putin views the Middle East is very
much as this hot potch of countries,
never been stable,
never,
really managed to maintain its sovereignty,
except for Yemen. Apparently, he has a lot
of admiration for Yemen because of what they've
achieved
since 2015
and under sanctions and under,
war.
They've still managed to maintain their sovereignty, and
they managed to do certainly most damage, in
my opinion, economically.
Right.
Israel began the the genocide against Palestine,
back in October,
seventh twenty twenty three. Right?
And so I think there was a there
was a a mixture of things.
I think, first of all,
president Assad was simply not complying.
He wasn't,
negotiating
with Erdogan,
which Russia does, you know, see or did
see very much as an ally in the
region. Right?
And they wanted Assad to negotiate with Erdogan,
at least to come to the table,
which Assad
refused.
I think Russia had been pushing,
Assad more towards,
The Gulf States, The UAE, Saudi Arabia,
and developing that relationship
over and above the relationship with the resistance,
in other words, with Iran and
even Hezbollah. And there is evidence that Iran
and Hezbollah were were also aware of that.
And then, of course, there was the cost
of remaining
involved
inside Syria. We also know that a deal
was done in Doha,
that Assad would step down after a six
month,
interim period during which a coalition
government would be formed.
Right?
And we also know that there was an
intelligence meeting. I think it was about,
two months before the the attacks.
And we know that that intelligence,
from meetings of Syrian military command,
Russia, and Iran
somehow didn't filter down to the president.
Right? So
there's a lot of stuff that was was
going on,
which intimated that there were
plans in the pipeline
to basically
maybe Russia had the intention to leave Syria
in safe hands.
Mhmm. But in the end, what happened,
apparently,
is that
as the Syrian army was withdrawing from Aleppo
and was starting to regroup and fight back
against HTS,
around 15
of the command were
removed from the battlefield by the chief of
staff, who was obviously part of of the
betrayal
Mhmm. And imprisoned.
And the army was withdrawn,
back to,
much further south
and then started to collapse because
brigades within the army were being told to
surrender.
Others were keeping fighting
and then realizing that they were fighting alone
because their comrades next to them had had
surrendered and laid down their arms, and so
they were suddenly surrounded. Right? I'm I'm kind
of oversimplifying
it. Yeah.
And then,
it was basically a Russian,
backed commander,
Suhaiil Hassan, who took over the battlefield.
And at that point, it started to collapse.
Russia was no longer bombing.
It hadn't really been bombing the convoys, which
is insane because convoys coming from
Aleppo to this particular area, there's no coverage.
It it's flat open plain land. Right?
So Russian air force could have bombed the
entire convoy and prevented its advance. They didn't.
I mean, it reminds me of ISIS coming
from Iraq to Syria back in, when was
it,
2013
and traveling 500 kilometers, and America didn't do
anything to prevent it. Right. I mean, it's
hard not to see this as I mean,
it's very rude,
you know, making taking it's opportunism. Like, whether
or not it was an attempt to do
the right thing or whatever, we would see
that as it's clear like, I guess where
my mind goes is that look. It's it's
objectively clear this this government is committing a
mass genocide, multinational
national genocide. How can you, even if it's
in your benefit as a nation, support or
align yourself with that? I just think, you
know, this has to represent what the, you
know, moral ambiguity of government today. And I
think that's a problem for me, maybe if
not for everybody else. Yeah. But what I
would like to get into in all of
that is to what degree I mean, even
what you just described kinda really does even
suggest again that it was, like, maybe Israel
did take advantage of the situation.
Or, alternatively,
as I think a lot of people have
been arguing for a while, that all of
this really was for Israel, at least from
The United States' perspective, like, fighting their wars
for their outcome. So from your research and
what you can see now or even give
us, like, from then until now and then
what you see today, how much is Israel
on the ground? Because our reporting has seen
bases being built,
deployment of troops,
even discussions of new settlements for for settlers
in Syria. So what's the what's the reality
of that on the ground, and to what
degree is Israel occupied and, and, like, taking
over Syria right now?
Yeah. To a large degree. I mean, they
don't have the manpower,
it has to be sad,
to fully settle on Syrian territory, and and
that's why they're looking for proxy settlement through
the Druze,
through the Kurds.
But there is a a sizable military occupation
inside Syria. Yes. And, of course, if you
look at it combined with Lebanon,
they immediately took control of Mount Hermon, which
is close to the Lebanese Syrian border. It's
the highest point from which you can basically
surveil
pretty much all of Southern Lebanon and Southern,
Syria Right. Across to Damascus. Right?
And in Southern Syria. Sorry. Forgot the gap.
We got the delay. Go ahead.
I
think we're not doing too bad considering how
it's sort of, up and down it is.
And in Southern Lebanon, also, what they've done,
despite, of course, the ceasefire conditions that they
should withdraw entirely from Southern Lebanon.
They've maintained positions
on five,
of the highest points in Southern Lebanon,
which again gives them a vantage point, from
which they can,
carry out surveillance operations
against civilians in Southern Lebanon.
And and so that's part of their,
strategy
also to maintain
surveillance
on any resistance
activity against their illegal occupation
of Lebanese and Syrian territory.
And basically what they've been doing
is establishing
settlements in southern,
Syria. They've been digging in those images and
videos being released fairly recently of them sort
of digging in fortifications
and so on. They've been moving in heavy
machinery,
and they are gradually
moving
closer and closer,
to Damascus. Yes.
Now ultimately, as I said, no. They're not
gonna have,
the the manpower themselves to be able to
settle quickly into these territories. So that's very
much why they're courting,
the the potential of proxy settlement in these
areas.
In in regard to actual do you have
any insight onto I mean, I've seen the
conversations, but I I know some of these,
what's her name now?
I'm forgetting her name. It's very prominent at
this point. She I I even think she
just got
nominated for Nobel Peace Prize, which makes me
sick. The leader of the settled radical settlement
that that are proudly discussing the stealing of
property in Lebanon, in in Gaza, you know,
everywhere. I've seen them publicly discussing. My point
is that doesn't necessarily mean Oh,
Are you gonna see or do you see
any evidence of those kind of settlements being
proposed for, you know, the settler movement?
Yeah. What in in Southern Syria, you mean?
Yeah. Specifically in Syria, anywhere. Because we've already
seen it pop up every other location that
they're trying to push into.
Yeah. I mean, for sure, this will be
ultimately,
the plan.
We haven't as far as I know, we've
not seen anything yet. There aren't actual any
secular movements moving into Southern Syria. No. Not
yet. I think partly because,
I think that would be a step too
far,
for Syrians in in in the South even
in Dara and Swadda because although there are
Jewish factions
that, let's say, are,
certainly,
you know, would would not be against
Israeli occupation,
they're a minority.
And the majority
of the Druze, as far as I'm aware,
traditionally
always believed in
the integrity
of Syrian
territory
and would oppose,
Israeli occupation.
We've seen that. What is what
what is now, of course, the situation that
is now being orchestrated
is that
anything is better than HTS.
Right?
And and and this is exactly what their
what their
engineering and they're orchestrating. And when The US
starts to make statements that, you know, they're
condemning the atrocities against ethnic minorities inside Syria,
of course, they're not any more than they
condemn,
Israeli genocide in Palestine.
And what are they doing? They're asking h
two s HTS to investigate their own crimes,
their own atrocities, their own ethnic cleansing exactly
as they do with the Zionist.
You know? Oh, well, we'll ask Israel to
investigate,
you know, its slaughter of 300 civilians in
one bombing raid. You know, this is this
is what The US does. It's just
a a kind of a legally
fig leaf to cover up the fact that
they are absolutely quite okay
with all of this going on. Because what
does it mean? It means
and, I mean, I was in Northern Lebanon
today. We can talk about that, but I
actually went there,
to meet with Syrians
that are fleeing,
the ethnic cleansing programs, the atrocities, the massacres,
the slaughters that are going on in the
coastal region,
down as far as homes. And to now,
there's almost 8,000 people. 8,000
have come from Syria into Lebanon, and they're
crossing
not by a border crossing. They're crossing by
smuggling routes. They're having to cross rivers.
They're being they told us today they're being
hunted
by HTF
drones.
So they're literally having to move through forests.
They're getting targeted by drones. There was one
guy who said to us, you know, I
spent five days in the river because it
wasn't safe for him to cross,
and he was keeping himself,
under the water
as cold as possible because the drones detect,
heat, body heat.
And so they're not only
getting slaughtered in their homes, getting executed,
getting, you know, tortured, abused,
dismembered.
When they actually flee, they're they're still being
hunted down.
And,
you know, I I can't we
thousand miles there
in
Gaza when prisoners returned to Zionist prisons.
That was something very similar that I saw
today,
in entire families, children, mothers,
men from the family, young men,
who
were just
totally traumatized
by what they'd had to witness
in Syria. Extraordinary. I mean, just
awful. I mean, we're looking at a a
second macro, in my opinion. Right. The the
numbers of dead
now in Syria
are anything between 8,000 to 12,000,
and and we don't know because entire villages
are being slaughtered
in silence. There's no Internet. There's no food.
There's no water. Water's actually being poisoned
according to reports today. Bread has
been poisoned.
They've had Internet cut off. They've had their
phones taken away. So we've got no communication
from many of these outlying villages and towns.
Today, I was told, basically, they're being completely
slaughtered.
So we don't know what the numbers are,
but they're certainly in the high thousands.
Yeah. I saw Kavork, and I think you
as well. And he estimated about this might
be somewhere around 10% of what's happening on
the ground. You know, the information we're actually
seeing come through on the Internet. Now, what's
important to point out is
you can draw it's a very clear,
correlation
between what you're seeing, which is not surprising,
The US Israeli Extremists doing to people in
Lebanon, The US Israeli backed extremists doing to
people in, you know, any location you wanna
point out, Ukraine, for example. Right? It's the
same atrocities in the same manner with the
same kind of gleeful sociopathic
action. Like, it's this weird you know, it's
just it's everywhere, not even the poisoning aspect.
Like, I'm I'm not it's obvious to see
that there's a reason whether these people are
acting for some some Zionist mindset or not
that this stuff is being allowed in clear
ways for the same kind of agendas. I
want to point this out seeing so this
is a similar thing we continue to see
that also was happening in Gaza even and
it goes all the way back to these
origin conversations that in the case of specifically
the Zionist organization, calling it some kind of
a blood libel point. Just to make it
clear, this is from Herets. This was written
on
in 2022.
And what it is is the actual documentation
going back to the 1948 Nakhwans saying this
is evidence of the Zionist entity poisoning the
wells of the people in these locations,
which which has become some kind of blood
libel claim that their Jews are poisoning the
wells. No. We're talking about Zionists, to be
clear, and this is a provable fact. And
it's happened more than once, and it happened
again recently in the context of Gaza. And
so I just it's interesting to see these
correlations, and I think that's important to point
out. But in in regard to what's actually
happening on the ground.
So you let let's go I wanna hear
about what what they were saying to you
in Lebanon from what they saw, and let's
get into all of it in regard to,
you know, what we can see on the
videos, the the the ethnic cleansing. But, also,
you had mentioned some overlapping points about human
trafficking, organ trafficking. Like, the really dark side
of this, which you and I have talked
about in the past seem to be pretty
common in a lot of these foreign policy
wars.
But in particular with this, you know, I'll
I'll let you get into it. So what
what is going on on the ground? We
went over a lot of these harsh videos
yesterday. We talked about the mass slaughter of
innocent people. You know? So break it all
down for us. Like, what's actually happening?
Yeah. I mean, you know,
as you said, the videos are circulating
online.
Of course,
what is western media portraying it as? They're
portraying it as,
regime
remnant,
insurgents
that is,
basically,
leading to the massacre of civilians. But, of
course, this is absolute nonsense.
Any resistance operations came in response
to the the killing and the ethnic cleansing
that had been ongoing since the December 9,
it didn't just begin four days ago. And,
of course, it had been ongoing
since 02/2011
by the the HTS,
various rebrands and their affiliates. Right? If you
go back to 2013
in Latakia
on the coastal
areas in an area called Baluta,
Two Hundred civilians were massacred,
by the Free Syrian Army, Nusra Front and
Aral Shams, so a combination of three groups,
that, of course, then are are now being
absorbed into Jelani's
new Syrian army.
And those civilians were massacred very much for
the same reasons. They were Shia Muslim or
they were Alawite Muslim,
and they didn't comply
with the fanatic Taqfiri ideology. So that was
back in 02/2013.
And who prevented
that becoming
as it is today,
a wholesale wholesale
slaughter. And I would call it a genocide
because it is effectively
the attempt to exterminate
an entire minority
sect,
not only the Alawites, but also the Christians,
the Sunni Muslims that that do not,
you know, that protest,
these massacres of their Alawites
neighbors
are also getting slaughtered.
That's true. There was a,
yeah, there was a Sunni,
sheikh
in Damascus
who spoke out against,
the ethnic cleansing. They came to his house.
They tortured him. They executed
him in front of his son.
And this was only two or three days
ago. The Christian priests
that are taking allied families into their homes
to protect them are also coming under attack.
Right? So, you know, this isn't only,
this isn't some kind of new civil war.
This is a continuation
of the ethnic cleansing that was begun in
02/2011.
Yeah. Sure. I just really quickly. I wanna
just so in that one point about the
soon e aspect, you know, does that
what that seems to be a common thread
here about, you know, what does that suggest
to you that it's not really about the
ideology?
For some of them, it seems to be
clearly, but from the the leadership level, sort
of like Zionism, Judaism, like a lot of
these different points. I mentioned Mohammed bin Salman
in the past alluding to the fact that
even, like, the ISIS elements that they manipulate,
some of the leadership doesn't even believe the
ideology, and that's how they manipulate the underlings.
Like, in this context, the same with, like,
Zionism when you see the idea of beating
up, you know, Jews that protest against Zionism.
Like, it shows you that's about Zionism, not
Judaism. Do you see that in that, or
does that represent something else to you?
Yeah. It is very similar. I mean, you
know, Takfirism
or Wahhabism,
which is
a a fanatic branch
of Islam.
Actually, it's very far away from Sunni Islam
generally,
and
is not really it it's not acceptable to
the majority
of Sunni Muslims, particularly in Syria for the
last fourteen years. There is a slight shift
now, which, again, I'll come on to, which
is,
extremely saddening
to hear today from from the testimony that
I listened to today.
And so this kind of,
fanatic
Islam, of course, who who produced it really
were the British.
The British were behind largely the creation
of Zionism.
They were also behind the creation of the
Muslim
Muslim Brotherhood or the,
groups in Egypt in the late twenties that
have been weaponized against Syria,
for for decades going back to Hafez al
Assad and and even prior to that. Right?
And so that entire connection
is is there.
And, yes, of course, there are very clear,
parallels. This is basically a tech theory project,
but, of course, it's it's in tandem with
the Zionist project.
Right. Right?
And and the Muslim brotherhood is being weaponized
to to serve both,
agendas.
And so, therefore,
it's it's because it's so far removed from
what Sunni Islam should be.
Right?
The majority
of I don't like using
the term moderates, but but the majority of,
the non
stream is
You're cutting out. Most
in Serbia
are opposed.
Oh,
did he lose you?
I knew it was gonna happen at least
once.
So far, it's been reasonably we could hear
what's being said for the most part.
But
so far,
this is the first time it's been a
gap this long.
Well, since we're paused here and I hope
she comes back because we have a really
important stuff to get to.
The the interesting thing I'm touching on there
is we've talked about a lot is this
this you know, the question really comes to
whether or not you know, know, let's just
take the Muslim brotherhood, for example, or some
of these these weaponized aspects.
Do they actually represent a, like, religious
fanaticism?
Oh, did we lose her?
Oh, no. She's back in.
There we go.
Let me see if this one
there we go. Perfect. I had to get
rid of the other one. Oh my god.
So so I was just saying that was
the first time we had that long of
a gap. So so far, it's been pretty
okay. What I was simply saying is, I
guess, the larger point is does something like
the brother Muslim Brotherhood or something like that
really represent, like, Muslim fanaticism, or is it
something that's been created to weaponize that? Now
I my point is that underneath that, there
are people that adopt the ideology, and maybe
I'm wrong in that in general. But it's
interesting to think about and how these things
are used. And the more we dig into
this Zionist long term project, it seems that's
what their bread and butter is. Like, I
I interviewed David Eich, and he talks about,
like, Saboteanism and sort of, like, this foundational
aspect of before, you know, before Zionism became
a thing. And then that's what its foundation
is, like infiltrating religions and governments and using
you know, it's just hard to ignore all
of that. You know? Anyway, so now that
you're back, go ahead. Continue your points.
Yeah. And, you know, if you go back
historically
even to, you know, the famous Hafez al
Assad put down of,
the uprising
in Hamar in 1982,
which, of course, is always described as as
a
massacre of,
insurgents
in Hamar. But the reality was nobody talks
about, for example, the car bombings that were
carried out by the Muslim Brotherhood factions
or, the fact that they entered,
the Aleppo
military
cadet school
and segregated
the Alawite and the Shia cadets
to to execute them.
And the Sunni Muslim cadets refused to abandon
their comrades, and so they were executed alongside
them. Right. And, you know, this is very
much what we're seeing now. Unfortunately,
and I and I haven't really
worked out why this is happening right now.
What we are seeing
according to the testimony
that I received today is that, for example,
if you have an an Alawite town,
in the middle of,
Sunni Muslim
majority
towns,
the Sunni Muslims now are starting to turn
against the Alawites. They're being, actually influenced by
the tech theory ideology,
which for me is is one of the
saddest things I've heard because,
Syria was
always
Syria First and your faith, your belief, your
sect,
second.
The the fabric of Syria
was so diverse and inclusive.
And if this is getting broken down, then
unfortunately,
you know, the Israeli,
clean break doctrine plans, the western plans,
to effectively
break down Syria into,
partition
sectarian
statelets, which, you know, this is their project
in every country that that they intervene in
and and attack from Former Yugoslavia.
Yemen pre 02/2015
was gonna get also partitioned
into, I think it was six
stateless
isolating,
the Anshula
resistance factions in the center with landlocked with
no access to the sea, etcetera. So this
is
this is a fairly,
common denominator
in neocolonialism
projects right now. But, unfortunately,
since, you know, the December coup, we're seeing
it have greatest success
in Syria.
And I I'm I'm sort of very,
a little bit shocked and and very saddened
by by that, to be
honest. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, we
can go take go back to the seventies
and Zbigniew Brzezinski and the general idea of
the Balkanization of The Middle East. I mean,
this has been a long term plan as
you're highlighting. It's not you know, it and
it's been consistent in most regards as well.
But, you know, or or even the overlap
of, like, the as I think Jeffrey Sachs
laid out the the book Netanyahu's written, seven
countries, five years discussion. Like, clearly, this has
been an ongoing effort of Israel fighting these
things through The United States. I think that's
pretty clear, at least one part of what
we're talking about. But so what's interesting is
what you're highlighting there is also a very
consistent aspect of previous genocides that have been
stoked by the Zionist entity. And this is
not you know, I was I was talking
about this yesterday, that it seems we're we
we we were discussing these things. This is
not some hypothetical, let's see how we can
connect with Israel. It's a documented reality of
how Israeli's government was involved in, for example,
the Rwanda genocide. Right? Like, it's not an
opinion. This you can look this up on
Wikipedia, for crying out loud, which is what
I always say is doesn't mean we should
think Wikipedia means it's proven, but it means
mass adoption. It is also proven, by the
way. And it's interesting that it shows that
the the Israeli government was stoking this in
the same way you're highlighting, was was was
fanning the flames of the racial division.
Know and this is
all documented stuff. Was arming the side, was
you know? And then from the, beginning, middle,
and afterwards, were involved in the whole thing.
You know? And and this is just disgusting
that it's that obvious. And so we see
these things in the same way today where
you as you're seeing, they're stoking these racial
divides to the point to where they're destroying
what was previously
not what they claim. Like, everywhere they're going,
they're claiming to fight the extremism, but in
reality, as you're highlighting, they're ultimately destroying religious
freedom and installing exactly what they claim they're
trying to fight. Or at the very least,
that becomes the reality because they're not, you
know you could frame it however you want.
The outcome is pretty much the same. Like,
with with the Christian populations in Iraq, the
third largest Christian population in Syria being destroyed,
all of these things being targeted. I guess
on that fine point, do you think this
is a focused effort against Christians in some
way, or is that a byproduct?
I think the war against Christians has been
ongoing for a very long time since even,
you know, crusader times. But rather,
it's against
the
pan Arab,
ideology, the the unity of Arabs. That's what
they're trying to,
destroy,
basically. Because Christians here consider themselves to be
first and foremost
Syrian Arabs. Right?
Or or Lebanese Christians, Arab Lebanese Christians.
It's that Arab identity,
which is,
yeah, which is,
key to how they perceive this war. But
it's a war against Arab identity, basically, which
is true, which is entirely true. Arab identity,
Arab history, Arab culture, Arab civilization.
And you can see that incredibly clearly, for
example, in in Damascus where what is being
destroyed?
Christian churches,
Alawites,
mosques and and shrines and centers, Shia Muslim,
shrines. You know, all of the history of
of of,
pluralist
coexistence
in Syria is effectively
being destroyed,
leaving
what behind our partition Syria with a dominant
tech theory,
government in charge.
And, you know, if you go back through
the CIA,
DIA documents, this is what they've always been
been trying to achieve
in Syria, and they've always known that Syria
is against it, that Syria is opposed to
it. That's all recorded in the CIA various
branches and agencies documents
describing what they what they want to achieve
in Syria. Right?
And because for for Israel,
having,
these warring factions, let's say, in in
in controllable
statelets
is how it likes to to basically govern,
or or take control of territory that it's
expanding
into because that is what serves its agenda.
And with this current
exodus of Christians, because Christians are also being
targeted,
by the tech theory elements.
And what we're seeing again is the exodus
of Christians
from the region.
And that has
always been on the
agenda
because then, basically, they leave it open
as a Sunni Shia.
I'm simplifying it because, of course, there are
multiple sects,
in in Syria itself and across the region.
But very much as a Muslim against Muslim
war
rather than a war to defend
Arab identity
against
the neo crusader movement
of which
Israel is part of, by the way, right
now.
And you've got all of the kind of
Christian Zionist elements in the Trump administration
and the Armageddonists,
as I call them, you know, that
are are are heralding in the end time
war and so on. So
we're in
a we're in a very dangerous tipping point
both regionally and globally.
And you mentioned
Iran.
I'm still the jury is still out for
me a little bit on Iran as to
whether they are actually going to go after
them
because of the complications
within Iran itself. Although I actually saw,
just before I came on sort of basically
saying if Trump was gonna threaten Iran, then,
you know, to hell with him, basically.
So it it at the end of the
day,
I don't know if we're gonna see conflict
between Israel and Iran, of course, backed by
The United States. I'm not sure we're heading
in that direction.
But where we're definitely heading
is the complete destabilization
of West Asia. Iraq now,
is, you know, certainly going to be targeted,
in my opinion. Yemen,
the war is gonna start there again.
I think tomorrow is the end of the,
four days,
that Al Houthi
gave Israel
to basically restart the humanitarian
supplies into Gaza before Yemen takes action. And
Yemen is also speaking very strongly
about what's happening
So
Oh, do I lose you again?
No. God. There you go. Mostly. I don't
know. You're back.
I'm back.
So, Katmos, that you just said that Ahouti
was basically saying that, you know, that they're
gonna go back to like, if they don't
then they bring back the supplies in that
they're gonna, you know, take action against Israel,
and it basically cut out right there.
Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Basically. And and he's
also been,
very strong
about what is going on in Syria. He's
made the point that all of this serves
Israel's agenda and Israel's expansion as policy in
the region.
And, you know, he he pretty much did
issue a fairly strong warning that the ethnic
cleansing has to stop in Syria, Damascus has
to have to stop.
And, you know, the
the saddest thing for me is
that
people that I spoke to today, for example,
are still talking about the international community. Why
isn't the international community doing something to to
stop this massacre and this brutal slaughter,
you know, of of civilians.
They're not
regime remnants. They're civilians, babies, children. Right.
Girls are being raped and trafficked. Children are
being trafficked. Yes.
There is organ extraction going on again with
the white helmets,
on the scene and mopping up after the
Al Qaeda
atrocities
just as they have always done historically since
they were established in 2013.
There were reports that we heard today
of children being taken,
for organ extraction
into Turkey, but also that it's actually being
done on the ground in Syria.
Well, let's let's talk about that. I mean,
this is this is a really this is
this is one of the worst parts of
these conversations. I mean, if Yeah. To our
partition out the worst parts of the genocide.
But we're you know, this is always something
that we've seen. Going back to the earliest
parts of the Syrian
regime change effort where I mean, there there
has been articles about the, you know, hundred
the the missing children of Syria. You know?
And so there's always seems to be something
that takes place in these in these wars,
specifically, that are seem to be the Middle
East Wars from The US and Israel. But
I think it's pretty much just what happens
in conflict, sadly, and disgustingly enough. But so
do you what do you see that is
suggesting that at this point? I mean, I
have that clip, by the way, that you
shared with me of white helmet vans dumping
bodies in the side of the road. So,
actually, what we should do, to be honest,
like, if you can give a quick overview
of the white helmets. Because, actually, it's been
a while since we've since we've had this
conversation, right, for those that don't even know.
And we don't have to get so deep
on it, but give them the basic background
of what the white helmets not the actual
Syrian civil defense group that they're pretending to
be, but the white helmets with English writing
on their backs. What is that, and and
how is it playing a role today? What's
going on?
Yeah. Well, I mean, the white helmets were
established
in 2013,
not inside Syria, in Turkey and Jordan.
They were set up with money from USAID,
so from the CIA, from,
British military intelligence, from MI six, from the
UK foreign office, from Qatar, from Turkey.
And they were basically embedded with Al Qaeda
and the various armed groups affiliated
with Al Qaeda.
In order to,
produce the narratives literally produce the narratives.
So the the the the staged chemical weapon
events,
that would criminalize the Syrian government and provide
cover for the armed groups. Right?
And they became sort of a household name
for
rescuing people under the rubble, all of which,
of course, was titled propaganda,
lies.
And one of the accusations
that that was thrown at them by multiple
civilians that I spoke to,
There was a panel produced by,
Russia at the UN in 2018,
basically,
running an investigation
into the white helmet involvement
in organ trafficking,
in child trafficking, the use of trafficked children
in the staged chemical weapon events
that have been fully
debunked as, for example, Duma Two Thousand And
Eighteen, which was actually debunked by
OPCW,
the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons
since
ground,
in Douma, Damascus
20 18. There there's multiple reports written
by doctor Piers Robinson on the subject.
There's been a book published actually called the
Syria scam,
by one of the actual OPCW
inspectors.
And so the white helmets were there to
generate the evidence to corroborate
US, UK
foreign policy in Syria, which was regime change.
And, of course, they always moved
with Nusra Front or Al Qaeda. So when
the Al Qaeda terrorists,
were,
moved out of the liberated areas in the
green buses to Idlib. The white helmets didn't
stay behind to take care of Syrian civilians.
They moved with this reference to the new
front lines.
And so now what we're seeing is white
helmet involvement again,
in the mopping up of the Al Qaeda
slaughters, the removal of bodies, throwing of bodies,
down mountainsides
into rivers, the burning of bodies,
to hide the evidence.
And they are being associated again with what
is being reported as,
organ trafficking
operations, organ extraction operations that are ongoing
on the ground in Syria. I mean, that's
what I'm being told. There are actual doctors
and medical staff,
basically
removing the organs from the injured from the
freshly
killed,
people and also
taking the children for organ extraction. People basically
stop
sending their children to school according to what
I heard from mothers today because they were
so scared,
of these operations. And that's exactly what I
heard in Aleppo
back in 2017,
'20 '16, just after liberation,
and also in Eastern Ghouta
in 2018,
'20 '19
after liberation
of the suburbs
of Damascus in in the East of Damascus.
Same. I heard the same accusations
being,
you know, thrown at the white helmets by
civilians that have lived under their occupation.
Yeah. And and this, the same things we
saw in Gaza, Al Shifa, and plenty of
others, for example. I mean, this is a
pretty common reality that we've seen in these
wars, and it it's,
pretty unnerving to see how public it seems
to be. And so the the you want
me to play that video from, you that
you shared from the white helmets? Is that
relevant time to share it?
I'll go ahead I'll go ahead and bring
it up. I didn't get any of that.
I haven't been sharing that story. You're this
this is the video that you want we
you shared with me in regard to the
white helmets being seen on the side of
the road dumping bodies. I just figured it
was a good time to share it.
It really just takes a second. They're driving
down the road.
You see, that's very clearly white helmets right
there
or
at
least
the,
you
know,
pretending
to
be.
So go ahead and if you wanna give
us some background on that.
Yeah. I mean, basically, this was recorded. I
don't know who was recording it, actually, but,
there's this one showing them disposing
of bodies. There's another,
I there's another,
bit of video footage which I think was
picked up by Russian surveillance,
of a white van, which is not identified
as white helmets, but could very probably be,
throwing bodies from the back of the van,
over the mountainside
into the valley below.
And, again, from the testimony
that that I was given today, the white
helmets were definitely coming in, cleaning up
after the massacres,
and also involved in in looting and burning
of homes after the killing of the inhabitants.
So, you know, most Syrians,
know who they are. They know that they're,
Nusra Front civil defense. I always remember when
I was asking, you know, do you know
who the white helmets are? And they would
look at me in complete confusion until I
said, okay. Nusra Front civil defense.
And and then they would laugh and kind
of say, oh, yeah. No. No. We know
who they they only put on the white
helmets when they're filming.
Otherwise, they're they're Nusra Front. They you know,
they're not
disconnected from Nusra Front in any way, and
they're not paramedics
either, which can be
pretty much evident from the majority of their
videos that they Right.
Paramedic procedures,
in any of the
Well, there you go. You lost you for
a second there. Well, sir, I should point
out that for those that may not have
protected the dots, Al Nusra
is at least part of be became a
high tail sham as we've talked about before.
And so when she's staying on Mosul, I
think the group that's currently in control of
Syria, and that's that's what's so unnerving about
all this. The the work that she's shown
of them beheading children and smiling images of
this, you know, women in cage. I mean,
this is the same groups that were are
currently in control, and that's why this is
so upset, upsetting, unnerving, alarming to people that
have been like us, they've been following this,
been covering this, to watch them just on
a dime be like, nope. Never mind. Now
they're good. Here's a suit. And even even
the overlap of not even removing the bounty
on his head until, like, four or five
days after they were in power. I mean
and and then weeks I mean, like, think
about how crazy it is to go off
that provable evidence
and then
having this from Israel.
Jihadists and suits are still jihadists. Right? The
massacre in Syria proves it. And having all
these Elon, you know, kind of lackeys, like,
screaming about how this is why Muslims are
bad. Lumer comes out and says, here's why
we shouldn't have Muslims in congress.
Like, it's just it's insane what they think
they can get away with. It's just these
are these are these are disgusting.
It's make it makes me sick. But the
the important part on this is to recognize
who's behind this, who's driving this, who's allowing
this to happen. So with what you've highlighted
in regard to the the organ traffic, human
trafficking,
you know, all the the worst parts of
this, where where are you placing this? Are
the are these extremists that have been empowered
that are just doing what they do, or
is this being driven by some kind of
a state actor? You know, how do you
place all of the stuff that you're seeing?
Even even in regard to the massacres, is
that just a byproduct, or is that in
because that's something that somebody wants to happen?
I mean, I think definitely that is something
that, you know, the West,
that Israel,
wants to happen,
because,
basically, of course,
Shia Muslims,
the Alawites,
and so on, these,
sects tend to be those that are the
majority of the resistance.
I mean, at the end of the day,
who was defending
Palestine?
Yemen, Hezbollah,
the Islamic resistance
in Iraq
and in Syria. Right?
And so, therefore, the destruction
of, if you like, the resistance factions
and the reduction
down to,
Sunni Islamic states having dominance, which means normalization
with Israel as we're seeing with the Gulf
States that, of course, are
incubating,
and funding these Wahhabi,
terrorist factions and have been since 02/2011
and even prior to that.
Turkey and Qatar, of course, are the backers
of the Muslim Brotherhood factions.
And so, therefore, if you look at it
in in that way, this is what it's
about. It's about the dominance of the proxy
forces
of those that want dominance
in the region, if that makes sense.
Right? And so, therefore, the removal,
of any impediment,
any,
faction
that may,
let's say,
foster some kind of resistance
against what is going on, the fractioning,
the fracturing
of Syrian
society
into,
partitioned,
territories, for example.
And, you know, it's it's not by mistake
that we see Israel now,
coming out with statements in defense of,
the Alawite sex.
Right. And and, again, that in collaboration
with Russia on the coast, maintaining Russian bases
on the coast. Haim Amin
has taken,
I think it's in the region
actually, I'm really not sure how many currently
are inside Haim Amin base.
And another point to make actually here to
show how this is so deliberate
is as soon as HTS came to power,
the EU closed its borders
to these persecuted minorities.
Whereas during,
the Assad presidency,
EU had opened its borders to what were
majority
radicals and extremists
that are now embedded in Europe and are
coming out with statements in support of the
Taqiri project in Syria.
Right? Now the borders are closed to the
genuinely persecuted Syrians who are genuinely
fleeing
what is a genocide against the minority sect
inside
Syria. It's and at the same time, they're
they're lifting the sanctions again or or at
least lessening the sanctions against
HTS.
Right? Right.
And and they're inviting Jelani to donor conferences.
I mean, these are the clients
you just can't get. I mean, I'm laughing
because
the obscenity of it is so kind of
tragically absurd that it it's I don't know
what else to do, really.
Well, there's there's stuff like this, for example.
This was on the seventh. UK unfreezes Syrian
central bank assets. They're in the middle of
an ethnic cleansing that everyone's watching, and you
go, yeah. Here's here's your central bank assets
back that we froze under Assad regime. Like,
it it's very clear as as people have
pointed out more than once
that it's that what The US and Israel
and The U EU
UK and what they've been doing
is funding the most radical elements of Islam
for decades in order to use them against
the people that won't just bow to their
interests. And that's not necessarily good guy, bad
guy here. You could argue that the other
side of it is bad their own ways,
but they're unwilling to bow to the interest
of a foreign government, usually at the expense
of their own people.
And even if they're enriching themselves in that
same situation, they then run to the worst
people and say, Here, give them money and
arms, and then throw them against the person
that they're trying to remove from power. And
then when they take power, they just let
it become exactly what they said they were
trying to fight. And this is very consistent.
You know? And this is what we're seeing
take place right now in front of us.
We're watching I mean, this is the the
proof
right now. We're watching I even saw I
think it's, Alan Mizrahi's account on Twitter that
I'm not familiar with him personally, but I've
been watching his coverage and discussion throughout, like,
his postpartum or seven. And I appreciate a
lot of his stakes. But, yeah, I didn't
like his opinion on how Syria was going.
I just disagreed. And I recently saw saw
him come out and say, you know what?
I have to admit my ignorance on this.
And, you know, now I'm seeing finally what
Saab was actually fighting. You know? It's like,
well, good on you for adjusting your opinion
for information. You know? And it's it's obvious
to see it's not again, it's it's always
wrong in my opinion to try to make
a good guy bad guy, but you can
see what they were actually fighting at this
point, and you can see what we've been
trying to highlight. And to your point about
the border, that's actually really relevant to a
lot of other conversations that this game is
being played about you know, like, there's weaponized
immigration migration all over the place. Israel and
The US have been doing it forever. And
what's interesting is you got the right all
radicalized about trying to highlight, you know, the
sorrows, which is sir certainly part of it
too. It's it's a partisan game. There's nonpartisan.
Yeah. Highlighting the you know, they're weaponized or
bringing in a military age males, and what
you're highlighting there is that they're they're the
ones welcoming in that problem and
then stopping it when it's the actual innocent
people. And, you know, and then the point
is they demonize the actual people on the
ground when it's the people that you know,
it it just it's very weaponized. And it's
all it's never one thing or the other.
It just shows you how very clearly
contrived the whole thing is. And that's what
always makes me the most sick about this
is it's, you know, people who just you
know, a murderer is a disgusting person that
used to be criticized. But a person who
is a murderer but then calls for you
to praise them for doing good things is,
like, the worst thing in the world. And
I just key that everywhere today, and that's
what these people represent to me. So, I
mean, there's a lot of other ways we
could get into a lot of directions we
could take this. Is there anything else that
you wanted to make sure we talked about
before we kinda wrap up today? Because I
think this is a good kind of encapsulation
of what's going on. But if there's anything
we're missing, please let me know because go
ahead.
Well, no. I mean, I think your point
about president Assad and, you know, I think,
that was very much
the
topic today was that all of these people
who have fled to Lebanon with nothing, I
mean, literally nothing, just the clothes on their
back,
still have family inside Syria, so they can't
even I couldn't film them. I couldn't photograph
them. I can't use their names
because literally their Facebook pages are being,
monitored.
Even if they put a like on someone's
post, their family is gonna be slaughtered.
Literally, that's how insane it is. And remember
how they said to us, you know, oh,
in
under Assad, you know, no one can speak
out. No one has freedom of speech.
And,
you know, basically, what everyone was saying to
me today was, look,
under the two Assad, so under the two
president Assad, we never had this. Nobody in
Syria
ever wondered who their neighbor was.
You know, they took in,
Sunni Muslims who fled from Idlib, for example,
they took them into their communities. Now those
Sunni Muslims are turning against them,
whipped up by the HTS,
Taqfiri
ideology.
And,
you know, as they said, this never happened
under Assad, and there are multiple things that
I'm hearing. You know, you you hear, well,
everything's gonna get better. So now, you know,
there's no electricity.
There's no system. The Wi Fi is way
worse. There's no water. There's no food.
The majority
of Alawites and ethnic minorities have been laid
off. They're unemployed.
Right?
And so unemployment is sky high in the
country. So all of this talk about lifting
sanctions
and and, you know,
economic recovery and inflation coming down is absolute
nonsense. Right. But the people are not able
to protest. They're not able,
to say anything
against HTS,
and they're living in in absolute
misery
right now. And the West is completely ignoring
it because they endorse
what is going on inside Syria. They they
created this. This is what they engineered. This
is what they wanted to happen for Syria
to be weakened,
and terrorized to a point where it accepts
foreign intervention, where it accepts
partitioning,
where it accepts
Israeli occupation as being better than HTS.
And I am hearing that, by the way,
from people on the ground, which is just,
you know, I mean, it's kind of off
the scale crazy for me. You would never
have heard that even during the most,
poverty stricken times
under president Assad, which was from 2020 onwards
where
Trump's
Caesar doctrine sanctions really started to,
seriously impact,
the economy. And, yes, of course, there was
corruption. Of course, there, you know
but a lot of
be blamed
on fourteen years war, sanctions,
economic pressure, the occupation
of resources and agriculture,
the burning, deliberate burning of agriculture and forestry
and so on. You know,
and an ongoing,
low pressure
war until,
December
2024.
And and and so I think it's very
important for people to understand
that while things might have not been great,
they might have been difficult. There was a
system under president Assad. Even me living in
Syria for five years, I knew exactly what
hours of electricity I would have. I knew
that the water came
every forty eight hours from the gov you
know what I mean? There was a system.
I knew how to deal with it. You
were dealing with with a known
quantity.
Now you're not.
People are living in a complete free fall
limbo,
And and,
you know, it's it's kind of terrifying
on all levels from a from ethnic cleansing
level, but even from an economic level, from
a lack of future level, from a not
knowing where on earth the country is heading,
who's going to be in charge in the
next two months, three months, four months, nobody
knows. It's in a complete
free fall as a country. And, yes, you
know, there are resistance
elements forming,
as there always will be.
But the country has been,
to a large degree, so battered and besieged,
and savagely attacked for the last fourteen years.
It's very hard not to to feel that
the western agenda, the Zionist agenda,
is not inevitable.
You know? I know. I it's it's such
a hard thing. Like, that's I keep struggling
with that just around the Gaza, you know,
the genocide taking place in Palestine
and and the idea that it's like I
I know that every like, it's I mean,
I everyone's the wrong term since that is
hyperbolic, but, like, the the vast majority of
the world people see this. That's just that's
undeniable at this point. And yet even in
this country, left and right, I think most
people are acknowledging. And yet we turn around
and it's like they're not even flinching. They're
not even
not Biden, not Trump. And it's like, okay.
Do we just not understand how the the
the power dynamic works here? Like, I don't
think it's voting. That's for sure. But, you
know, it's just like so we we have
to reevaluate how we have an effect in
this regard. And it's really unnerving to see
that whether or not we all see it,
that it does seem to march forward regardless,
and that does seem to suggest impunity. And
it's like, that's what we're we need to
stop. Like, we need to find a way
to make sure that's not the reality we
live in. And but it's it's hard. I
mean, this is a, this is a gun
check moment for people around the world to
see what power we we actually exist under.
And and the point should be made, by
the way, to reiterate actually, that what you're
highlighting there about Syria in the conversation you
expecting, though, that's that's that's because of the
way it was turned into. Right? That's not
that's how Syria was. That's because of The
US
destabilization of that country. Right? Like, there's it's
this long term
attack under like, same with Venezuela, like, starving
these people and turning around and going, look.
They can't even feed themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You know? It's it's just sickening how clear
it is. But I actually think that more
people than I've ever seen
are beginning to see this. But, again, like
I just said, whether that has an effect
on the outcome or not is a different
conversation, but it's still good to see that
people are you know, the truth and acknowledging
that truth is is the first step in
any real part of change. And so I'm
really glad that that's happening, but suffering is
hard to stomach. You know? And I'm glad
that people like you are there on the
ground choosing to continue to cover this and
putting yourself at risk to do so because
you believe in that truth. So it's it's
worthy of, you know,
commend be you know, respect.
But I think what's important is that people
continue to cover this, continue to follow your
work, support your work,
and keep fighting for this truth. I mean,
I and but I we need to evolve
this into other conversations about how we actually
see this translate into real change. And I'm
you know, maybe government is not the answer.
I mean, you know I think that, but
I hope we can have these conversations. So
thank you again for being here today. And,
you know, anything else you wanna leave us
with on the way out?
No. Just thanks for having me on, Roane.
I'm sorry. The Internet was a bit flaky
again as per always when we get together.
But,
You know, it it's always really good to
talk to you and and talk through things.
Yeah. Well, thank you as always for joining
me, and I hope this was insightful for
everybody out there. And look for I'm sure
we'll be connecting in the future. So thank
you for tuning in. And as always, question
everything. Come to your own conclusions.
Stay vigilant.
Discuss the situation in Syria after the collapse
of Assad's regime. A collapse that was made
possible by Israel's weakening of Iran's terror axis,
especially the weakening of Hezbollah and the removal
of Nasrallah.
This starts and it's it's really fascinating to
go back. It starts, in
1996
with Netanyahu,
who wrote a book called Fighting,
Terrorism.
And the thesis of the book is quite
straightforward
and
very dangerous. He says, you know, there are
there's Hamas, there's Hezbollah. They oppose Israel. It's
not good for us to fight them directly.
That that won't work.
What we need to do is topple the
governments
that that back them. So what we need
is regime change throughout the Middle East. And
he actually gave a long list of seven
countries,
that included,
Syria,
Libya,
Iraq,
Iran,
Somalia,
Sudan, and Lebanon.
And systematically,
The United States has done Netanyahu's
bidding for almost thirty years now, going to
war
with every one of them except for the
big one, that Netanyahu
so much longs for, which is the war
directly between The United States and Iran.