Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Joining me today
again is Charlie Robinson from micro macroaggressions.
I'm looking forward to hopefully making this a
a regular occurrence. I really enjoy the conversations
that we have and really just kinda breaking
down all the madness that seems to go
on. And jokingly, yesterday, we were talking about
what we might discuss, and I sent I
jokingly said, well, by tomorrow, there's probably gonna
be an entirely new field of crazy things
to discuss, and it just it seems like
every day, that's how it is. So find
the find Charlie Robinson to have an interesting
view on a lot of this stuff, so
let's have him on to discuss the madness
of the world today. How are you, brother?
Well, I'm fantastic, but you're correct that we
just have to wait
a full day, a full news cycle, and
everything will,
change. Everything that was important
desperately important
just a day ago now magically just fades
away, and it's let's focus on what Trump
said last night at the, event that he
had with all where all the leftists lost
their minds. You know, it's funny. I I
didn't even I I purposely sort of boxed
that out last night, and I haven't looked
at it today. I bet you if I
had, you're right. It's just all these different
but you're I I can already see that's
kinda consuming the conversation. It it really doesn't
ever stop. It's just one. And I I
think there's a very clear, like, engineered aspect
of that, you know, to, like, overtake the
conversation and hide some of the bigger things
that never stops. It's like when you when
when the media releases bad news or or
corporations
release bad news on Friday afternoons because they
know it'll get buried by the weekend, you
know that if they've got something that's that's
unpopular,
they're like, let's roll it out the day
before. We'll let the media have it for
a couple hours, and then we'll we'll pivot
into the, you know, Trump's big address to
the nation, and that will overshadow everything. Or,
you know, we could or, you know, the
missing $2,300,000,000,000
and then $9.11 the next day. You know
how that goes. Right. Right. All coincidence.
So so if if if you have thoughts
on on what happened since I haven't even
looked into it at all, I'm curious to
see if you have any thoughts on it.
I did see that there was,
a lot of hype beforehand about, like,
I, you know, I I again, I'm actually
gonna say very clearly this is all secondhand.
Like, I didn't look I somebody had told
me that there were reports, but it was
through corporate media, partisan media, about how the
democrats were gonna be making noise and trying
to disrupt. And I'm like, that doesn't surprise
me if that would make the but how
childishly stupid. And if that actually happens so
did you watch any of it? Did that
happen? I did not watch it. I just
saw some of the clips. I said there
was some guy that made a made some
sort of a ruckus, and they threw him
out to Are they congressman?
You know, I don't know who he was
because he didn't look familiar to me. Okay.
That doesn't mean anything, but but he he
he he looked
lost. He looked like somebody that, you know,
shouldn't have been there. But,
I guess they nada nada him, hey. Hey.
Goodbye as they were throwing him out, which
is kinda funny. Yeah.
There was, you know, the the
the typical
unexpected,
or or completely expected
sour puss Democrats
that that were Mhmm. Arms crossed, sitting down
the whole time. I guess one of the
things that they did was they brought out
some
13 year old kid who had
recovered from cancer
and wanted to be a police officer, and
they made a big thing about him. And
then,
the Democrats sat for it while everyone else
stood up and clapped. And then,
Nicole Wallace was on with Rachel Maddow, and
they talked about, like, I hope this kid
doesn't kill himself because of everyone's like, what?
What? What are you talking about? It was
very weird.
They've lost their mind. If it's it's fun
to watch them get exposed for but, you
know, they they sell themselves, the let the
hardcore left as being compassionate. We're just about
the people, and and how dare you. We're
standing up for the for the and that
the first chance they get to show
their their true colors that that it comes
right out. There they there's no compassion there.
They just want it to go their way.
And if you're outside of that, then they
want you to die. You know? It's it's
it's gross, but not not not too not
too surprising.
And I would say it's always not unique
to the partisan left. I think I think
the same exact dynamic. It's interesting, though. It's
more like you're right. It's more about, like,
the,
you know, bleeding heart
idea of the let with versus the rights
more like, we're fighting for your freedom and
and liberty. And neither of them are true
in my opinion. It's all just about trying
to control your life. But yeah. But that's
interesting, though. Like, it's it's just sad to
see. And, Gabby, should you give me your
thought on this, of, you know, that this
kind of, it's never the real picture on
either side of it. It's always, like, this
cartoonish, like like, I you and I could
go through the many real gripes and concern
and criminal actions of everybody in the in
that room. And Right. Instead, that's about, like,
you know, his racism, and it's about his
you know, over here, it's about their woke
policy. You know, it's just funny how it's
like, man, there's so much real crime. And
and do you think that shows that they're
all choosing to omit that those stuff, or
are they in the mindset that that's actually
what matters and that would show me that
they're all controlled by something else? I mean,
how do you look at that? Yeah. I
mean, if you're if we were gonna have
a real honest conversation about the rampant criminality
inside that room, everybody would get put up
against the wall and get frisked. Right. You
know what I mean? They're all in maybe
maybe not Thomas Massie. I don't know. We'll
see. Yeah. It's funny you say that, though.
It's I'm, like, kind of going yes, but
I I'm so pessimistic for government. I'm, like,
I'm not gonna let myself have hope for
that. I know. I know. I feel the
same way. Like like, I I like him.
I I wanna like him. I feel like
I should like him, but I but I
also remember, you know, doctor Ron Paul is
that way too. I mean, he's the only
guy who could I've seen him three different
times out of Narco Polco, bring the house
down, you know, by going up there. And
you would normally think if we if I
were to just read off the list, you
know, hey, twenty years Republican in in congress,
from Texas, we're gonna bring him up to
the stage. You'd rightly get booed, of course,
if you do. But it's doctor Ron Paul
who is always consistent in his views and
was and was
spoken against the the things that that I
think freedom loving people actually care about, sound
money and get the government off my neck
and things like that. But, I mean, they'll
they'll allow them to,
you know, pontificate about
who's the most racist person inside that room
or who doesn't
wanna fight for our freedoms or some ridiculous
Barnum statement like that. But if we wanted
to actually
get down to the criminality that's happening in
there, that never gets really talked about. And
that's that's a that's bipartisan decision. Like, they
they Right. They but they know, like, if
if I start pulling on this thread over
here on that guy, it eventually will lead
back to the person who's been giving me
a bunch of money, and I don't really
need that heat. And so let's just leave
it alone. So Right. That's that's the that's
the whole, you know,
one nation or blackmail. Like, it it's all
they're all mafiosos at this point is what
it really seems like. And there's, like, it's
kinda like the, the self enforcement. You know,
that's kinda how I see it where, you
know, that they're all there's a level allow
level of level of criminality, but they actually
mostly probably hate each other. But there's things
they just know they won't touch on because
then they can be held accountable too. And
but, you know, there's been deviations in that.
Like and I think there's a reason for
that, and I I tend to think it's
from outside influence. But that we've seen those
shifts from the last, like, three from Trump
to Biden to Trump. We've seen some different
shifts where, for example, both of them have
done things to the you know, that Biden
did something to Trump, and then Trump did
something to Biden. Like, usually, the game has
been, like, where we don't go after the
previous guy because that means that you'll go
after but we've seen some shifts in that
way. And I just I don't really know
what that means. I tend to think it's
because
it's, you know, it's always who benefits. Right?
If you can see that neither side is
benefiting where the government here isn't benefiting from
it, you wonder who is and who's driving
that. You know? I think there's a genuine
I mean, there there there's very, very few
components of Washington DC that I find to
be genuine, but I think that there's a
genuine hatred of Trump. I think a lot
of these people view him as
the guy who could come in and mess
up their grift or start talking about he's
just he's there's an unpredictable
and I understand that there's there's there's script
that, you know, a lot of it is
scripted. But there is you know, he does
kinda go off the script from time to
time and start talking about things that makes
people very nervous. And I think that there's
a legitimate I don't think that the the
Rachel Maddows of the world
are faking it. I agree. The Joy Reid.
I think they they legitimately despise, and they
may have a variety of reasons for that.
But I don't think that that part is
theater. I think that maybe that we're gonna
you know, I'm gonna you know, you'd be
in jail,
you know, locking up Hillary Clinton. I think
that is theater when at the highest level.
But as far as, like, the talking heads,
they Sorry. I hate it. You could add
you could add to the same point though
that p p probably means that, probably doesn't
like them, but that was whether it was
ever actually gonna happen was theater. You know?
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's just it's an interesting
point because ultimately, you know, they it's the
same point. It's the kind of, you know,
I think they I think it's personal, you
know, where by back and forth, there there
are very clear political
worldview differences between left and right. I I
think it comes down to whether it's an
Israeli control or technocracy or, you know, whatever
you think or just the deep state, whatever
is, like, the guiding force clearly is, you
know,
ultimately
what they bow to. You know what I
mean? Like, where it's like it's it's kinda
like the great reset thing we saw with
the world where my opinion is
we saw a lockstep. We saw Russia, China,
like,
adversarial on the surface countries all go in
the same direction and and act in unison.
And so how do you miss that? You
know? To to me, it's because all of
them are like, okay. All of these tools
will help me better control my own people,
help me subjugate my people. And so we'll
go in so far as we can use
those tools, and we'll feign that we're going
in these directions. But the moment that it
goes against what we want, we'll probably you
know, and we did see that to some
degree. You know? And so that's what I
really think it comes down to. They're all
in line when it comes to control over
your lives.
Sure. Yeah. There's a lot of that a
lot of that,
top down authoritarianism
that that these countries really love, and they
would love an excuse to for for more
of it. And if somebody like the WEF
gives them the opportunity to to do that
or the, you know, the World Health Organization
says, well, listen. You can outsource this authoritarianism
to us at the at the WHO, and
we'll do it for you. They go, okay.
Fine. I mean, as long as you control
our people, I can live with that. And
that but, like, you know,
this the minute it becomes sort of detrimental
to their their their personal their their their
country's sort of nationalistic,
needs, and it's like, well, you know, maybe
I'm not gonna take part in all of
this. I mean, because Russia as you said,
Russia was was was deeply involved in the
World Economic Forum. Then they're then, surprisingly,
now they're the enemy, and everything that they
do is, is is the worst thing you've
ever seen in the world. So,
it's it's funny how they can they come
together
from time to time. But, you know, I
think George Carlin talked about this, you know,
thirty years ago.
There there isn't necessarily
a need
for, you know, people for a big meeting
where they all get to get yeah. Sure.
They have the the
Davos and and they have, you know, they
get together at the UN and and whatnot.
But these people that are at the tops,
they don't need to be told what's in
their best interest. They know what's in their
best interest, and they're willing to work with
other countries as long as it supports what
what's in inside their interest. So as far
as, like, we're gonna all sit down, have
a meeting, and talk about it in secret,
sure, that does happen with Bilderbergs and and
and these events that have been going on
for seventy years. But it's it's also not
completely necessary because at the highest levels, they
understand what's in their best interest, and they'll
they'll move accordingly.
Yeah. Again, back to, like, the mafia point,
you know, you can see, you know, there's
different section what sell whatever you call it,
families, you know, of different group. They don't
act in in but they but they are
times when they act for the betterment of
the actual mafia, you know, dynamic. And, you
know, and that's the whole self enforcement. Right?
It's where you know, and this is what
I see politicians as. Like, it's certainly possible
that that is the mafia today. They just
decide to go, hey. You guys gotta lock
on this. I see what you're doing. Gonna
put a suit on and act like I'm
the you know? And the point is if
somebody stands up and starts being too criminal,
you know? Like, I often see Gavin Newsom
playing that role where he's, like, takes things
a little too far. Right? Stands up, like,
does the thing before everyone's ready to do
it. You know? And I argue I mean,
I haven't seen any real pushback, but you
would argue that was where they step in
and take care of that person. You know?
Some accidents, something happens, and then, oh, now
we're back to normal. You know? It's like,
it's still hypothetical, but I think that's how
you see the the kind of self regulation
around all this. Sure. Yeah. But so the
the the Trump back to the Trump speech
and discussion, I didn't watch it again. But
what I tend to see from those left
to right is it's usually just standing up
and just kinda going, here's how we're supposed
to say or what we this is how
you're going to view what happens over the
next year. Like, this is your talking point
setup for how we're gonna see what we're
gonna do. You know? And it's kind of
like taking down the notes or really framing
what happened already as the way that you're
supposed to repeat it. And it's just how
these games go for me, and so that's
why it's it all seems like so much
theater. But anything else out there before we
get into some of the points that I
think we're all seeing right now that that
and maybe the ones that we've kinda already
talked about it, you know, on in your
mind, in your work and what you've been
studying over the last week, two weeks. What's
something that stands out to you right now
that just is go ahead. I've been working
you know, I've I'm I'm I'm writing a
little bit about Trump right now for an
episode, The The Good, The Bad, and The
Orange. You know, there's just some things that
are very Trumpian, you know, that I don't
know that are necessarily
going to happen, but it's it's just interesting
to hear him when when he comes out
and starts talking about, you know, like, the
green one situation. He won't stop on Canada.
He won't stop on the tariffs, and and
and, you know, he keeps talking about this
stuff. I don't know how much of that
there's some good things that he's done. I'll
I'll be honest. There's some good things. There's
some really bad things he's done. And then
there's some things that I just describe as
the orange, which is it's hard to tell
whether it's real, whether it's talk, whether he's
whether this is a negotiating position that he's
trying to create from the beginning where he's
saying, you know, my starting position is I'm
gonna slap massive tariffs on you, or
if it's part of some, you know,
grand
economic transformation that's happening in the that's that's
being set up to happen in the future,
and we're just seeing these pieces that seem
a bit disjointed and maybe over the next
year or two, it'll come into focus a
little bit more about what is what is
he really doing talking about the gold in
Fort Knox. It's a weird conversation that nobody
was asking for necessarily. And now all of
a sudden, they're talking about that. So I'm
wondering a little bit more.
I watched a great interview with Matt Smith,
who is Doug Casey's podcast partner, and they
were talking about
the the role of gold moving forward and
what's happening and how,
and what Trump might be actually up to
with devaluing the dollar. And and and and
it's it was just a I I had
it was such a great interview. I had
to watch it twice. And and I just
thought, god. You know? What if what if
there is a much bigger play here that
seems disjointed with Canada and Greenland and all
this stuff? But but upon further review or
once you have more information, it paints a
different picture. So,
I'm keeping an eye on him as as
we all are. You know, I I have
no
I'm I have no emotional energy necessarily towards
him one way or the other. I think
he's a clown. I think he's a you
know, he's in the World Wrestling
Federation's
Hall of Fame, you know, which is fake
sports. He's got a star on the Hollywood
Walkman. He's an actor.
So where does the actor end and the
authentic politician, if there's such a thing, begin?
Or is there any? Or what is this
whole thing? So it's it's it's he's a
fascinating character to watch, but I don't get
all I don't get triggered the way a
lot of people
on the left, especially on the left, but
not limited to that, get by him and
his behavior. It it feels like,
you know, back to Carlin. You know, when
you're born in this world, you get a
ticket to the carnival. When you're born in
America, you get a front row seat. So
that's kinda how it feels sometimes when you're
watching them. You just feel like you're watching
the craziest show in the world.
Yeah. It really does. And, you know, it's
it's the interesting thing about the the well,
you I mean, it's the orange. It's a
funny way to frame that is that it's
it's actually you know, it's I can't tell
whether it's a a ploy, a plan, or
it's sort of like they've lost control of
their own fall you know what I mean?
Like, we're essentially like, you see I've seen
some examples of this where something starts as,
like, a meme that's shared by, like, Insurrection
Barbie or one of these, like, Elon sycophants
that are constantly, you know, and then and
then Elon captions it and goes interesting or,
you know, whatever. So there's whatever. And then
that gets captioned by Trump on True Social.
And then all of a sudden, it's like
it becomes something that's part of the conversation
because it's become this momentum mover in the
team sport republican side. And then all of
a sudden, it's like, is that real? Like
or was that a joke? And then now
they're passing legislation, and it's like even the
community is like, you're being trolled. It's like,
they just passed some legislation about it. It's
really weird. And so give me your thoughts
on just that. Like, you think it's possible
some of this is like they didn't mean
for it to become real, and it just
now there's, like, either feel like they have
to or it said screw it. Do it
anyway because they're gonna it's gonna make us
popular. You know? Well, a prime example is
that AI generated
commercial well, I don't know what you would
call it for the Trump Gaza. Mhmm. Where
it was him with BB and they're sitting
in their bathing suits out in the, you
know, and and there's gold a gold Trump
and all that. And you watch it and
you go around.
Yeah. You go, this is, a, the most
disgusting thing I've seen, b, completely on brand
for America,
c
c c, is this a a future? Are
we is this predictive programming? Is this the
direction they wanna go? And then you then
you see that Trump is whatever, on Truth
Social, re reposting it on Truth Social. And
you go, okay. It's one thing if you're
if it's just a bunch of guys that
are goofing around are doing this. But when
the president sees us and his first thought
is, oh, yes.
Everybody that follows me also needs to see
this as well. This would be a good
look.
Then then I think, God, I mean, either
you're getting the worst advice ever. You either
or you truly believe this is a good
thing, which is
way more dangerous. Or they Or you're just
trolling.
And if you're just trolling people, I don't
really understand the point because you're making yourself
look like a bloodthirsty lunatic who wants to
depopulate
an entire segment of the population from a
region in the Middle East. And and and
I don't see how that could be good,
except that, you know, as we know, he's
he's completely and utterly
compromised by the,
Israelis. So Mhmm. So I I I don't
know. That that to me was,
boy, I mean, I was just sort of,
like,
I was
you know, I hope the rest of the
world
doesn't see something like that and think, oh,
this is how all of America thinks. Some
of them. Because if they
did, that would really be
a stain on us. I mean, there's plenty
to go around. Don't get me wrong. But
but but
if somebody in
Lebanon
sees that and they go, this is what
you guys want. This is what America wants.
It's like, no. No. No. That's what the
American empire wants for sure. A %. That's
what they want. But we, the people,
we don't want that. Or at least the
majority of us don't want that. And that's
the frustration I feel with all this. It's
like, we can be extremely clear about what
we are, what we stand for as a
group. I mean, as a country, I don't
get all weepy about
tile it yellow ribbon around the old oak
tree or anything like that. But but still,
as a people, we we should stand for
something, and that's not it. And if the
rest of the world thinks that that is
what we're about, then no wonder we have
such a negative reputation around the globe. No
wonder people that are
backpacking put Canadian flag
patches on their backpack instead of American flag
so they don't get messed with. So
I I I see some of this and
I think, well, you know, it's kinda funny,
like, weird.
But then
I I also just wonder the power of
social media. If it if for some people
out there, they see this and they think
this is a representation of what America wants.
It is not. It is a disgusting
stain on us, but it is being it's
being
reproduced and and,
you know, retransmitted
by
by the president. And so it it it
comes as almost like an official seal of
approval on it, which is gross and and
disgusting. But,
so so, you know, I mean, I have
I have big problems with the direction things
are going. It's it's it's hard to tell
what's real these days. And and, of course,
also, as we move further in down the
road towards technocracy when you start to have
these deep fake videos or you have, you
know, you everybody's voice. I mean, you and
I have said enough on camera in in
into a microphone that
somebody can make us say in anything that
we want. Like, that's the next phase where
we get to a point where you don't
know what to believe. And if you can
get people to not believe their eyes, then
you are in a real
you got them by,
you got them in a real bind.
Yeah. Will Will Will and Casey, I think
'67. Right? CIA director. When everything the American
people believe is false, then our job is
complete, and that is real. I mean, I
verified myself that that's actually, you know anyway,
that's it's I think this is the game.
But back at the trolling port, it's interesting
because I mean, so he he shares it.
Right? And so even if it's like, that's
the game. Well, he's just being funny or
trolling. Well, it's irrelevant. You don't know that
is the point. You're assuming that to make
that make sense, but it's still him going
look at this. You know? And so to
me, that only serves one entity here, Israel.
I mean, that that's what that showed. That
is for Israel's benefit at the expense to
the detriment of Trump and the American people.
I mean, that's just everywhere you look. But
so the is it trolling? Right? Are you
is your I mean, I I would argue
a little bit the opposite. You I would
just say there's a benefit to that. I
agree with you entirely that it's ridiculous and
shouldn't be happening,
but it you know, I could I could
at least acknowledge and understand that you could
use that in attack a, you know, tact
tactical way. You know? Like, put that out
in order to get certain people to react
to them. You know? And but it's not
the point is it's not in anybody's interest
other than, you know,
I would say the the Israeli government or
people that wanna see that, which would be
Trump's administration and building out Gaza and, you
and that because that's what they're planning to
do. But but the other point I thought
was interesting was,
the like Fort Knox, you mentioned. Right? Where
the timing for that for me was interesting
because I don't know if you saw the
Zeldin,
weird it was it was actually a video
that he followed up and made clear about,
but this video went around where he was
referencing the Titanic and gold bars. I'm sure
you probably saw that. Right? No. I didn't.
Well, basically, he said that, you know, that
they said the Biden administration, they were they
were throwing up throwing gold bars off the
Titanic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm
like, okay. Pretty sure we all would understand
that's an analogy. Pretty sure the Titanic okay.
But that that seems self evident to me.
Alex Jones put put out a video saying
that the he's like, oh, look. That's real.
They're talking about real gold bars. I swear
to god. I covered it on the show.
Out out Zeldin followed up with a video
on the EPA that said that maybe made
it clear. We're just talking about tax dollars.
It's an analogy. So my point was that
kind of happened. And then right on the
tail of that, I see this Fort Knox
conversation spin out. I just thought that was
interesting timing, and I think that's kinda what
I'm talking about where these these, like, fake
conversations that we've seen spin around in that
exact sphere
almost every time, the fog, the drones. I
mean, many of them had new narratives every
day that their sources confirmed what the drones
were that never panned out. You know? It's
like that kind of thing. But I think
that that's what happens. Then it becomes, like,
this momentum
to keep that going, but also to deviate
from things that were just proven to be
false. And so but I what I wanted
to get to on that was you made
a point something popped to my mind that's
very interesting about the possibility of that gold.
Right? What if that's all built in the
idea to, like,
build the idea that it's not there, even
though maybe it is, in order for them
to essentially get rid of the gold? Like,
it's I think it's important right now for
them to
remove
sound money from the conversation if we're dealing
with a new digital currency. What are your
thoughts on that? Just as a hypothetical.
It they definitely want to move away from
sound money.
They they have, you know, they've been busted.
They when I say they. I mean, the
the the big banks The hierarchies.
Financed by the the the government. They've been
busted rigging marketplaces
for years and years, shorting paper silver into
the market, shorting paper gold into the market
Friday afternoon. Here it comes. Boom. Get that
price down. So they've, and they've been busted.
They've been, they've manipulated the LIBOR, the COMEX,
Forex. They've all been found guilty for this.
So this is, this has been going on
for a long time. The idea that they,
that a, that a country United States
that runs a
federal reserve printing press. I just have an
episode out today for macro aggressions called The
House Always Wins on Jekyll Island, and it
was talking about colonel Mandel House and and
how he was involved with Woodrow Wilson getting
the, the Federal Reserve created. And and and
you look back on that, you think, oh
my god. I mean, how different this planet
would be if it wasn't for central banking.
I mean, it just would it just it's
a stain on humanity, and it it's crippled
us for the last hundred plus years because
of it. And, this is what empires do.
They despise
that, you know, they they need to if
you've got the magic the goose that lays
the golden eggs and you can print money
all day long, you wanna keep that thing
going for as long as you can. And
gold represents a threat to it. Silver represents
a threat to it as well. Not that
I think that we're gonna go to a
silverback currency, but you but, you know, it's
it's tangible,
asset that doesn't have counterparty risk to it.
So if you if I own it, I
don't need I don't need it to go
for me to have it go up, I
don't need you to for it to go
down on you. It's just it's it is
what it is. It's your your own your
own asset that you can store away. And
it reminded me of the times when they
confiscated gold. When when they sent the there
was a it wasn't just, like,
for a month or anything. It was, like,
for thirty years. Mhmm. You could not own
gold in The United States.
And,
and having it on a gold backed current
system and having Nixon take us off of
that and peg it to oil and all
of the geopolitics surrounding that. They've been manipulating
this for a very long time. The idea
that we have gold in Fort Knox, maybe
we do, maybe we don't, but
the government has has no interest in in
should theoretically have no interest in exploring that
if they're gonna try and keep this fiat
carnival game going further and further. And as
we move into, as you mentioned, the digital
version of it, central bank digital currencies or
stable coins that are programmable or however it
looks,
they most definitely don't want it backed by
anything other than than
a promise by the government, which is what
it's always been back. I mean, I guess,
it it at some point, it was backed
by gold, but then was it really,
you know,
they they confiscated gold. So it's it's hard
to, it's it's hard to say what
how The United States is going to move
forward, but
I my assumption is
if it's if it's sound money,
they have no use for it because
they are
interested in,
this fiat scam, which which gives them unlimited
control of the printing press, and which was
one thing when it was just, like, dumb
dollar bill federal reserve notes that you stick
in your wallet. But now
if it's programmable
and it's trackable and it's,
measurable and they can turn it off or
they can set it to expire, they can
make it so that it doesn't work fifteen
minutes outside of your city or whatever they
wanna do with it. That is
I I've sort of been saying this for
a while that that is the hill to
die on because once you get into a
world where
your money is is controlled,
you know, directly
daily, minute by minute, surveilled
by the state, then you are in a
position where you are a surf,
working on the plantation, and you will never
you'll you'll never be able to save when
they say, you know, you'll own nothing and
you'll be happy. Yeah. You'll own nothing because
you'll never be able to save for anything
because your your CBDC or your stable coin
or whatever will be evaporating in your account
or it'll be set to, it'll be set
to expire because, hey, we got bad. We
got really bad Christmas numbers. They just came
in, and, you know, sales were down. So
get to spending, you know, you please get
we're gonna make 30% of your CBDCs disappear
in the next ninety days if you don't
get to spending. So, you know, you can
see you can we can extrapolate out how
diabolical this could get if they have control
of our money in Yeah. In this sense.
And as you well know, the the, you
know, CBDC is very concerning. But what is
actually way more concerning, which just seems the
direction they're going is the stable coin kind
of Tether dynamic. And that that's what seems
to be the direction and people are fixated
rightly so. This is how this game usually
is played on what Trump's saying will never
allow us CBDC. Like, that's the end of
the conversation, and that that's very concerning.
In in oh, go ahead. Do you have
a point?
No. That that is that's exactly it. I
mean, in in right.
There's still not enough people that are paying
attention to CBDCs for my liking, but but
even if they are,
yeah. I hope they don't get,
that head fake by Trump saying that that,
you know, CBDCs will never happen.
Yes. Let's say let's just say that he
keeps that promise. Okay. Fine. Mhmm. But what
else is there? There there's there are other
ways to do that, whether it's a Tether
stable coin, whether it's USDT,
whether it's
whether it's Bank of America coin or whatever
Yeah. Cargo coin or whatever. I mean, as
you can see, when it when it comes
to, like, certain
blockchains like Solana or whatever, you can build
all kinds of things on it. You know,
you can it it an idiot in his
garage can put together a coin in the
next day
and launch it. So if they can do
it, the banks can do it. So it's
it's important for us to not to not
get distracted, also not get cut off cut
off guard with the
terminology too, central bank digital currencies,
and,
and keep our eyes on any sort of
programmable
if the government is enthusiastically
supporting it, it's probably not gonna be the
best for you. It was just Yeah. I
agree. The problem is people act like only
half of any moment is the government. Right?
It's like, no. It's all of it. Right?
Right now, we're fighting the government. They point
it to Democrats. We're the Democrats. When we're
fighting, you know, we're the government trying to
fight. You know, it's it's just it's an
illusion. That's the point as always. It's all
of them, and I agree with you completely.
But see, back to the gold, it's interesting
because, you know, it seems as if they're
setting up this this this conversation based on
on nothing, essentially. Like, is it actually there?
Now, but you as you probably know, that's
been something that's been floated over the you
know, a while in the independent media field
for a long time. Like, is it just
was it tungsten just with plated gold? Like,
that that conspiracy theory or theory has been
floated in the past. And so why why
that popped up? I kinda think it was
on the momentum of that conversation. Either way,
it's being built on the unknown. So why
why the hype and the momentum in the
in the field? And so maybe they're building
towards, like, the argument that it's not there
whether we get that proven or not, which
seems to be kind of the way this
all is going. So then that sets up
the idea of why this is necessary or
rather
a new,
you know, what it will be now pegged
to. Right? So you made a good point
there. So gold was what it was. Then
it didn't just go to nothing fiat, which
is really ultimately how it's used, but it's
pegged to the oil dynamic. Right? So what
will this new thing be pegged to? The
argument doesn't seem to be made as if
it's necessary, but right now, what are they
talking about setting up? A strategic reserve,
right, of the crypto curse. So I that
could very well be its own little reserve,
or it could be what they decide to
peg the new kind of system to. I
would see that making sense. And so this
brings me to the point you just made,
which I think is really interesting.
This is this is happening right now. US
Marshals Services can't say how much crypto it
holds, complicating Bitcoin reserve plan. Now you probably
already noticed, and let me know if you
have any insight on this, that Trump tweeted
out about how XRP, ADA, and SOL will
be good for the reserve. Didn't mention Bitcoin,
but that doesn't mean he's not going to
include it. Did you have any thoughts on
that one part that Yeah. Bitcoin will be
included? Yeah. Well, it seems like somebody in
his circle got to him because he had
to he tweeted out a second tweet after
that saying, oh, oh, and Bitcoin and Ethereum
will be,
in there too. We love them. You know,
that should go without saying something like that.
Well, it doesn't go without saying. You need
to sort of mention that when you're talking
about holding shit coins for for a strategic
reserve.
And and the problem, I think, with with
with,
you know, the differentiation between Bitcoin and the
other coins is that Bitcoin doesn't have a
CEO that you who who can go lobby
them for for I mean, there's plenty of
people that love Bitcoin that can that and
feel the need to lobby the government on
their behalf, but there's no there's
no Satoshi CEO who's who's making the decisions,
or there's no Vitaly Buterin who's who rolls
back the chain, you know, several years ago
to unwind some some
stealing that happened on there. Like, once you
see all that, you go, oh, wait. What
are we doing here? This is this is
this this is just as is,
was just as compromiseable
as the federal reserve game, maybe even easier
now because it's digital.
And so I I have big I have,
you know look. I I like Bitcoin. I
have Bitcoin. I want Bitcoin to do well.
I don't love the government loving it, though.
That's sort of the problem. Like, I liked
it because it's decentralized. And when you pull
it in the hands of, say, even if
it's Michael Saylor
with MicroStrategy
or or or it's the government, when it's
pulling in the hands of of
certain groups,
that kind of is antithetical to what Bitcoin
is all about. It Bitcoin is I'd rather
the people have control of it and have
more of it than the government. I'd I'd
like the US government to like Bitcoin, like,
about ten years from now. Once everyone else
has had a chance to sort of get
get get their hands on it. And,
so I get very nervous when the government
is is involved with anything,
especially when it has to do with money
because you know that they're just looking for
a way to to to, you know, can
we can we can we pump it up
and then dump it? Can we crash it?
Can we have all our guys to you
know, can we have BlackRock get involved and
pool couple hundred thousand coins in in in
their, iBit?
Can we can we centralize it into the
hands of a of a of a, you
know, some sort of Bitcoin strategic reserve. It
all sounds it's probably good for the price,
of course, when you have a when you
have a buyer like that and you start
to get into this
game theory of, like, well, if if The
United States is announcing that they're gonna be
buying a bunch of Bitcoin and you're some
obscure
country out there and you're you you might
think, well, maybe I should front run them.
You know, maybe I should start getting some
before they, you know, while they're working out
all the details, maybe maybe the small African
nation should should start buying some more or
or whatever. And you then you can see
it spiral into a huge price price appreciation,
but that, of course, again, it makes me
nervous when you start to see things like
that when the government's involved in
buying and holding. But I it doesn't ultimately,
it doesn't matter what I think about it
because the cat's out of the bag, and
the government now knows about Bitcoin, and they've
been fighting it for a long time. And
now I think they're they're this point where
they've had to realize that they're just going
to accept it for what it is. But
I don't I don't love the other,
cryptos being added to it because I don't
find that they're not on the same level
as Bitcoin. They're they're much different in terms
of just the overall structure of the coin.
The fact that there is
somebody that you can go knock on the
door at Cardano and say, like, hey, man.
You know, like,
we're the we're the FBI. We need to
talk to you. Like, that's a problem, you
know, when you when you can do that.
So it it'll it'll it'll be something interesting
that plays out over the next few years.
And I mean, of course,
when I talk about the good, the bad,
and the orange,
Donald Trump launching his own Trump coin, like,
right before the inauguration
perfectly on brand for the orange. You know
what I mean? That's just Parachuting in, rug
pulling his his his audience and putting a
bunch of money in his pocket and bankrupting.
Ugh. Yeah. Just the perfect, you know, Hock
2 coin of, the Republican Party is fantastic.
Same with Malay's coin. Right? I mean, actually,
Malay's Right. Much more severe, and that was,
like, a legitimate pump and dump, and he
didn't even care. He's like, too bad. But
but Trump's and Melania's look at the price
compared to what happened. I mean, it's a
it's a little bit more of an extended
pump and dump. It's the same thing, though.
People put a lot of money in that
because they thought it was gonna be something.
I mean, it's a fraction of the price
at this point. You know? And that you
could argue that's just because it didn't succeed,
but it's also profiteering and a conflict of
interest. You could also argue that there was
a lot of money, I guess, money laundering
or whatever. There's no accountability through that. Foreign
governments could have pumped money into that, and
he they were directly benefiting from it. It's
just there's so many examples like this. But
bringing this back to what I what I
think this is exactly like what you were
saying. Well, I would add first though that
I and and there's a lot of disagreement.
It's actually pretty contentious, which I get why,
but it's interesting that it's so contentious. I'm
of the mind, and I think you can
easily prove this, that the original Bitcoin chain
continued with BSV.
I think Bitcoin was was forked off, and
that was and that was even possibly a
51 attack that happened all the way back
then. And I don't know if you're familiar
with that. Here's just a little a little
graph, and all you can really see is,
for those that understand the technology really briefly,
the point is that the chain had continued
and you can verify this until when then
when we saw the forks. Right? We got
you have Bitcoin Cash and then eventually, BSV.
Now I argue that Bitcoin Cash where that
forked, that was the original continuation of the
actual vision of Bitcoin. What it forked off
to, that was actually a manipulation in my
opinion. And then BSV, which actually stands for
Bitcoin Satoshi Vision, is I mean, it's identical
to the white paper. And it literally is
what upholding I mean, I won't go into
it all. My point is whatever the people's
opinion, just think about the possibility
that BSV was actually the continual vision of
the real Satoshi vision for what it could
become. And the Bitcoin, which has been stifled
in a lot of ways because of the
system, has now become mainstream. The government's now
using it. I mean, this was designed
to fight the government and the financial system,
and now they're Yep. Employing it. So you
have to see how that applies. And so
this is where I wanna take that, is
that I'm seeing this. Right? All of a
sudden, US marshal service can't say how much
it holds, and there's a lot of opaque
kind of situation here, and this is just
reported by you unusual whales as they cannot
account for billions of dollars worth of crypto.
I simply wanted to consider the possibility that
this is yet another example of this. And
I'm not sure if you're familiar with what
a 51% attack is. Bottom line is,
as this white paper actually said, the system
is secure as long as honest nodes collectively
control
not just owning the bit not owning Bitcoin,
but controlling the CPU power for mining.
It's as long as the the no honest
nodes collectively control more than 51%
of the system. And so the the problem
is now is that you can prove that
there already before all of this were two
companies that owned, if they collected their power,
more than 51%.
And so I'm of the mind that that's
long since happened. And so what that really
means for those who don't know is that
they could effectively
spend Bitcoin, it's called double spending, and then
alter the chain to where you would be
able to see that. But it gets much
deeper as you were referencing where this goes,
whether it's Ethereum or Bitcoin, that there's ways
they could build from this that go into
things like artificial intelligence and and governance. And
and that really worries me if we're in
an opaque situation. I'm wondering whether this might
represent an example of a failed attempt, and
that's why there it's being recognized that there's
something that's missing. This is just hypothetical. But
what I wanted your thoughts on, as seven
seas points out, I've been saying this was
coming, but people just keep telling him crazy.
This is Ramaswamy
saying he's calling for putting every public expenditure,
state, country, and municipality
on the blockchain, which I could make an
argument for why that would be a positive
thing in some context, but I'm very concerned
about this. Seven Seas goes on to say,
everything everywhere will eventually be on blockchain, and
it won't be for freedom and transparency. It
will be for control and only control. Being
set up by local networks
for begin setting up local networks for trading
commodities now because eventually, you won't have any
opportunity. Larry Fink is excited about this. All
of this falls in the bottom of my
model. Crypto is a scam. So give me
your thoughts on that general, you know, direction
for all this and whether you think that
where this is going is is not just
about money and a reserve, but more so
about control using this kind of AI intertwined
with all of this. I think we can
see the control of of this happening in
the persecution of Roger Ver,
who was,
on
Thursday, the the fourth day of Anarkapulco,
like, two weeks ago when I was MCing
there,
Sort of kept under the radar, but, we
had Roger Ver on, remotely from Spain, of
course. He was with his he was unable
to speak.
He chose not to speak during the interview.
He had next to him his,
the director of his of the of a
documentary,
who was representing. It wasn't his lawyer, but
I thought it was his lawyer when I
because I kinda came in halfway through.
And and Roger was had has been a
huge advocate of the Anarkapulco
community. He's he's financed I remember 2019 bit
bitcoin Com, always had a big presence there.
And I was new to to it, and
I didn't really understand the block wars, and
I didn't understand the history of it. I
just know that there's some division between the
guys and and and what was going on.
But
we we see that per prosecution
of Roger Verre happening,
you know, you first of all, if you
get on the wrong side of the government,
just sort of like a little hint in
your international, you're sort of global and and
don't go to Spain.
Don't ever go to Spain because they were
talking about that a little bit during the
the you know, the same thing happened to
McAfee. He wound up in Spain and he
gets arrested. So it it the Spanish law
says that you can't
they won't arrest you or hold you for
a crime if it's not a crime in
Spain. If it's a crime in Uganda,
but it's not a crime in Spain, then
they just say, well, we're not gonna do
anything unless the American government asks them to.
Of course. And if the American government, then
they go against their own constitution and they
retain somebody like,
John McAfee or in this case, Roger Ver,
who is now
waiting for extradition any day now, and that's
a Biden DOJ
situation. Maybe there'll be pressure put on Trump,
and and he'll do what he did with
Ross Ulbrich and and allow,
Roger out. That would be fantastic. But I
think that they see I think they recognize
some of these OG crypto guys,
the the Bitcoin guys, especially,
as a threat too. I mean, I think
that there there's there's some
some, of of these guys they don't want
out wandering the streets,
looking into what they're doing,
with with the chain
or as you mentioned that Right. Maybe double
spending or hiding it in certain ways. You
you could easily do it from me. I
wouldn't know where to look or how to
find it or how to catch it. I'm
not that technically savvy. I don't understand the
details,
But that guy would. Roger Verwer would know.
And to really quickly add view it as
a threat. Sorry.
Just really quickly, you wouldn't be able to
see it is the point. Like, that's the
whole point is that nobody would be able
not even experts in the field. And and
but that's unless there was something that that
was not done properly. You know? So I
agree with you. I think they see them
as a threat, but but the the people
should ask in their you know, why? What's
the real threat here? Because you have a
different perspective on what should be used. That's
not enough. Right? So I agree with you.
I think it's about these people being a
like,
it's because, arguably, it's an open
that it might highlight that they are using
this in a nefarious way. Right? Like, that
that you're showing, like, the double spending or
even just where I'm going with it, which
is beyond that, is where and we can
see this being implemented in ways that will
go beyond even a reserve currency or a
strategic reserve. But it it is going beyond
that how this can be used, just the
blockchain technology as he's highlighting for for governance.
And, actually, what's funny is James Corbett was
just using the word. I think it's oligocracy.
It means, like, government through algorithm. And I'm
like, I'm not that's I'm like, man, we're
in a very crazy time. And so we
might as well, from that, just go to
unless you have any more thoughts on the
crypto side of it. Well, the Bank of
International Settlements is talking about their universal,
ledger. Right? And that that's that's the rail
system for all central banks. And I I
I would suggest that who he who controls
that controls
banking. And if you can get to a
point where where the BIS is putting everything
on their version of the blockchain
and running it,
then,
you know, you you have to get nervous
when the central bankers are enthusiastic about it.
You know, the the the the guys running
the carnival scam,
when they like it or when Larry Fink
likes it or when Donald Trump likes it.
You know? Whenever they start to like it,
I get a little nervous. I get I
don't,
you don't even have to see
four steps ahead to to understand the game.
You just have to know that these guys
are master manipulators. And if they're
into it, it's more than just money. It
can't be just about money to get Larry
Fink excited about it because
they've got all the money that they need.
They have access to, you know,
trillions of dollars of capital.
It's gotta be about something else. And if
they like it, then I sort of don't
like it by default. Yeah. Yeah. But that
but that being said, I have Bitcoin. And
I and I and I would like for
it to continue on, but I I know
that there's
there's real questions about how it that pivot
went back in 2017,
I guess.
And that would be authentic, hardcore,
ideologically
aligned guys are saying, no. No. No. What
you see now is not what it used
to be. It's not following the white paper,
correctly. And and and I'm the wrong guy
to have that debate. I just don't know
enough about it. But I just I do
know that there's that there's some,
there there's real concerns about that. Yeah. Well,
there's many there's many points to get into.
It's largely about the block size. And and
early on, they restricted the growth of block
size, which restricted the growth of the entire
dynamic. And so it is it restricted that
from becoming what it was supposed to become,
which is a challenge of the financial system.
Right? And so and that was on purpose.
And so then once it forked off, Bitcoin
Cash did go on to increase it. And
arguably, BSV at this point can even challenge
Visa if you really break down the speed
of transaction. That's why BSV, you can't even
really buy on the exchanges. There's, like, only
a few that allow it. It's like, how
does that make sense? Well, it's clear because
that is the real challenge. That's the threat
to the system. The rest have been co
opted to become the system. It's pretty simple,
you know? But so, what's funny is as
you're outlining all of that, which I agree
completely, it's well, it makes me uncomfortable when
Larry Fink and central banks and Trump and
they're all high fiving about the new system
and don't confuse any of that with the
deep state, ladies and gentlemen. Even though it's
everything we always represented as the deep state,
totally not. Central banks and bankers and weapon
lobbyists. No. It's all a heyday. We're unity
team now. But
this brings it into
AI governance.
Right? So I want your thoughts on that
because this is a this, again, sort of
a hypothetical, but
I I kinda like, how is this not
happening right now? Especially with the weird opaque
aspect of all of this with I don't
know if you've seen the whole Doge administrator
thing.
Apparently, they're saying it's Amy Gleason who was
the, I guess, the administrator or, like, the
one under during when it was called Doge,
digital services.
Mhmm. And and now that that she went
away during the last administration, and now she's
back, but it was nobody really talked about
that. And even though clearly Elon Musk is
obviously in charge, even though he's just supposed
to be an adviser who doesn't take any
action. And so I'm wondering whether that's all
a big show. And that right now, we're
literally testing AI governance. Just a hypothetical thought
that somebody threw out the other day, and
I was like, wow. That's actually really interesting
thought. So what do you think about that?
So I have I have
I can have two
simultaneous thoughts at the same time. The first
thought is
I love
that a lot of these government workers
are
packing their offices into cardboard boxes and perp
walking them out of the buildings and and
going home because they don't have a job
anymore. I love that. I I we should
shrink the size of government a ton.
I I feel that way about the human
people that have decided to go to work
for the empire. So
the the more of them that lose their
job, the better.
However,
I am fully aware
that if you are running some sort of
AI governance, those people are unnecessary anyway. Mhmm.
They just you don't really need as many
people to run, you know, you just need
the programmers to program the machines to do
this. So
I can be happy that these people are
having to
get on, you know, indeed.com
and submit their resume and go look for
a job because they should. If you work
for the IRS or if you work for
USAID or the any National Endowment for Democracy,
you should be out of work. You should
be looking for a job and selling your
house and downsizing and all those things because
you're because you've worked for the enemy.
But,
I I worry about
I listen. I worry about the role of
the technocrats in all of this. And and
and and it feels as though we're cheerleading
the technocracy too. But when I when I
do that, when I applaud that these people
are losing their jobs, I also
simultaneously have, god, am I cheerleading for, like,
the the acceleration
of a digital government system. Because, you know,
we're we're already starting to get into this
weird world where it's like
AI
psychotherapists.
You can talk to this computer about your
problems and
what not, you know, and and the things
are, oh, god. We're gonna put therapist out
of business. Well, maybe maybe not. But but
starting to normalize the process of talking to
your computer about things,
and where that goes, and where that leads
to
to overall government. And of course, Brave New
World, you know, a book that came out
a hundred years ago almost and,
talks about this this
future
in which the very, very few control the
many, and they do it digitally. And so
I'm I'm
always a bit.
Yeah. I I'm, I'm never too,
too quick to applaud any of this stuff
because I'm trying to figure out what the
other angle is, because if they're doing this,
if they're getting rid of a hundred thousand
government employees all at once, it's like, that
sounds great. And and and they're they're clawing
back all this money that's been spent on
frivolous things. That sounds great too.
They've exactly What am I missing? You know?
Where's the other side of this?
Or, you know, are we or is there
is this a setup? You know? Or is
this the the pump fake, to get us,
up in the air and and as they
go around us? So I I I'm always
a bit suspicious of of any of their,
anytime anyone is is
enthusiastically cheerleading the government doing anything, I have
to get a bit suspicious about why that
is. Yeah. Well, that's just being objective and
and, you know, discernment. But what what I
would add a few things, though, is, like,
what's interesting is I I trust me. I
get the mindset of, you know, like, from
from an anarchistic,
like, all of it should go away. I'm
like, yes. Good. All of it. Wherever. Chop
it off. Right? That's so it's like that's
I get that. But what's interesting though is
that they're not getting rid of the problem.
They're slicing off people that helped the problem,
which is, I guess, a step. But if
you're still using US ID, which they are,
if you're still using these things, so it's
it's more of an illusion. And then the
question becomes, how do we even know the
people they got rid of are the ones
that were the problem? We don't. It's all
an assumption based on what they tell us
they're doing. It's a Democrat or, you know,
well, we don't even know. We haven't even
got the name of the supposed person that
didn't give the Epstein file. I don't even
believe that's happening. You know what I mean?
Like, that's just where my my reflexive stance
is if there nothing's being shown to you
and it's a self serving narrative. I'm open
to the idea that it might be there,
but how would they not? Like, why why
aren't we seeing a perp walk of the
democrat that held back the Epstein file if
they know? You know what I mean? It
doesn't make any sense. And so I worry
that what we're seeing is a game
of, like, like you say, whether it's for
the interest of the AI governance or just
because they're getting rid of the people that
might have pushed back on what they're gonna
do, who might have insight into the criminality
they're take, or maybe they're getting rid of
all the deep state. You know what I
mean? It's like that we don't know should
be the point. You know? But but I
and, like, USAID, for example. You know? Obviously,
I think anybody with a brain well before
the partisan show that's been going on is
aware that USAID and National Endowment for Democracy
are regime's change engines that have been used
using whatever the current thing is.
Woke politics was really clearly a thing for
a while, but we know before that it
was whatever else got them in the door
to regime you know, that's the real point.
So it's all a cover. So if all
we're doing is going after all the woke
and D E I, yes, I completely agree,
but that's that's not the full picture, you
know. But, really, for me, it wasn't so
much about an indictment of or, you know,
one way or the other about Doge, but
just the idea of whoever it is, whether
Biden or Trump or whatever, using artificial intelligence
to effectively govern us. Like, I think we
all know that is where this goes. Like,
that's what they're talking about with efficiency. Even
the efficiency movement being the precursor to, like,
the technocracy movement. You know, it's it's really
alarming to me. So I don't know. I
I think the way that goes
is the exact technocracy we're all worried about.
And if we're at a at a point
where there's less
oversight or any
more opacity
than we've ever seen before, all because we
know, oh, well, he's the good guy, or,
like, that's the sentiment. I mean, I've never
been more concerned about what's going on with
all this. And then on the money side
of it, I mean, I I've personally been
going through these spending documents not because the
New York Times said, even I was covering
this weeks ago, that I could prove that
half the things they were showing, I shouldn't
say half, but a lot that I was
finding were inaccurate,
were things that were canceled before they ever
started, things that were still going on even
though they said they were gone. And now
they're getting caught pretty thoroughly where there all
these contracts, some of them were deleted back
with Biden or even before Biden. Right? I
mean, I've proven that this is the case
regardless of whether the Democrat newspaper's talking about
it. So it's just crazy to me that
there's a lot a lot of dishonesty.
And I think that what that shows me
is that what we're being told is not
actually what's happening. And you know where my
mind goes, brother. I mean, it's I see
Israel's influence on this more than I've ever
seen in my life, and I'm super terrified
about what that means. So, I mean, I
went a lot of kind of directions on
a larger topic right there. What are your
thoughts on any of that? Where your mind
go?
Yeah.
Well, it's about accountability too. If you fire
all the human employees
that you you normally would say, that guy
did the thing. Yeah. You got you know,
he's the problem. Now when you move into
everything is run by computers,
who do you complain to
when it all goes wrong? Who do you
fire?
Right. Who do you who do you strike.
Right? Right. Right. When when when when it's
not oh,
we might the the
the sergeant didn't decide that we were gonna
blow up that building. Palantir's computer programmed it.
Right. So take it up with Alex Karp
and Peter Thiel and and Joe Lonsdale and
all these guys. Like, good good go talk
to them about it. Like, what do you
want from me? I'm just doing what the
computer tells me to do. Right. That, unfortunately,
obviously, with war, it's gonna be diabolical because
we we've already seen that with
with with what's going on in Gaza that
these decisions are being made by robots. And
so who will program the robot? You know,
who programs the program?
And and if if that guy is a
unit eighty two hundred alumni, well, then guess
what? We're gonna blow up every single hospital
in in in the
region
because there may be because the computer
tells us that there's people in the basement.
There's terrorists in the basement. You know? So
so you you're you're in a
you're in a a Terminator situation. Right? Where,
like, at some point, they're gonna come back
for for,
I don't know, Sam Altman.
Somebody somebody's gonna come back and after, we
gotta kill Sam Altman. Oh, that's crazy.
We've gotta cut we got him back from
the future. We gotta take care of him.
Like, what is going on? Like, we don't
understand where this is going. This is Right.
This is going to a place where there's
zero accountability,
unfortunately. And that,
that is the brave new world. That is
the the the direction that they've they've pontificated
about. They've maybe you wanna call it predictive
programming. I'm fine with that.
But the committee of three hundred
was was deeply behind this a hundred years
ago, pushing out this agenda that that this
is really where we need to go. We're
gonna use machines to help us, and then
ultimately,
we're gonna use the machines to to govern
us. And if you get to that point,
then you have to ask who is the
program. If you are programming the machine to
help you, if you've got, you know, you
know, AI is whatever
you you want it to be. Right? If
you've got an a desktop assistant and you
put puts, you know, I need to find
out, you know, give me some stats on
this or that, and you use it for
for,
you know, improved efficiency. I got no problem
with that.
When you're using it to determine which
building needs to be turned into rubble,
then
then it's more than just me asking the
question. You have to you have to ask
who created the system,
who programmed it from the beginning,
and what are its, tendencies? Where what are
its what's the computer's ideology?
Is is the computer,
you know, greater Israel project
leaning? If it is, then all of the
outcomes are going to mimic that. And so
we we're we're in a we're in a
situation now where it's just it's it's
technology is the double edged sword, you know.
It really can help us do amazing things,
and I don't wanna, I don't wanna demonize
technology because as we move
as we evolve as people, we we start
to see that there's some great benefits for
it. But, man, if it's in the wrong
hands,
and I would suggest that most of these
Silicon Valley guys are
the wrong hands. Because once you get to
a point where you have all the money
in the world that you could ever spend,
you start looking for things to buy that
don't have price tags on it. Mhmm. You
know, you start looking for things like, you
know, let's remake the education system. I mean,
Rockefeller and Carnegie did it. You don't think
Elon Musk is gonna do that? He's gonna
tackle that at some point. Oh, we we
got rid of the Department of Education because
it's outdated.
Here is
Grok,
classroom.
They're already talking about it. Yep. Boom. There
you go. Yep. Are they talking about it?
Yeah. I've seen it promoted already. Not necessarily
directly from Elon Musk about grok, but generally
in the community, in in the, you know,
inner circle of Trump. Like, they're talking about
using this to effectively, you know, for for,
like you said, for medications, for for checkups,
for school, all sorts of things. I've seen
it floated many times. Or how about just
another conversation of maybe trying to seek their
own immortality?
I we all know that's part of it.
You know? It's like there's so many ways
to look at this. But, yeah, I mean,
I I I I think the clear direction
is
I mean, I would actually add, by the
way, I will say that I don't I
don't. When it comes to artificial intelligence,
I'm happy to say never. I don't think
I I don't see I I see there's
far more potential risk to everything we think
we care about than there might be benefit.
And maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not willing
to roll the dice on that. That's how
I feel about it. But I get what
you're saying. I mean, there's a lot of
clear benefit that could there. But so we're
we're I'm back to this, you know, what
you're saying. We know that in Israel, they're
using artificial intelligence to kill people. They've made
that clear. Even Alex Karp, I'm sure you
saw, was, like, in this now there's two
separate conversations here about Palantir and what we're
pointing at. But let's be clear that they're
doing the same thing. But the point is
that Karp said publicly and, you know, killing
people, and it's like it just seems like
a very strange thing to put forward. And
how do we know that you have the
right mindset or the morals, especially as you're
supporting a genocide? But the point is that
they have, if you read these articles, made
it very clear. The IDF members speaking to
nine seventy two magazine, that they're not only
being told to take the advice from the
AI, but they're being pressured to meet a
certain quota. So they're being pressured to hurry
and not think about what they're being told.
It's directly in the article. And so the
problem is that that becomes the well that
they told me. I was my my my
my leader told me and and the AI
said. And so who do you hold accountable?
You know? And they're already using that kind
of excuse, which brings me to this point.
Would you I'm sure you saw, which we
can prove that Palantir is in a strategic
partnership with Israel applying the technology of their
AI. So it's hard. You can't decouple these
two things. And that was in January 2024,
well into the genocide, and there's Karp and
Thiel. And, of course, we know that Karp
and Thiel are both very immersed in, you
know, more so Thiel on the side of
Trump, but Karp is now with Thiel, and
they're all supporting Trump as Karp has said.
That this is, as Eric wrote, election twenty
twenty four, Zionist technocrats versus Zionist technocrats, is
I just see that that's where this goes.
We're in a world where they're literally building
out this control structure from people that are
literally committing genocide.
Hard not to be concerned about that. But,
you know, I we we were gonna get
to a lot of other random things, but
I really actually enjoyed a lot of what
we talked about today. Before we finish, feel
free to get into what I was talking
about there. But I just wanna say that,
you know, I really enjoy talking with you
about all this stuff because I've I always
I find that we, you know I don't
know. I I find it entertaining, but also
enlightening. So what are your thoughts on that
to to end today? We I mean, we
have to laugh at the absurdity of all
this. I mean, it's a very serious conversations
to have. And I and I want I
think that when it comes to reaching,
you know, an my audience, I I
I have to
to to wrap it in a, like, dark
humor. You know? Like Yeah. Sort of laughing
at the absurdity of it all while simultaneously
understanding how serious this is and the direction
that we're going. It is,
it's worth paying attention for those people that
are outside of of our, you know, your
family members that don't really care sort of
sleep thought walking through life or they've got,
you know, I gotta get the kids soccer
practice, everything. I get it. You know, there's
a lot that's that's a a bigger priority
in your day to day life. And is
this really gonna affect me? I'm never gonna
go to The Middle East and who cares
and all that said. You know, it's easy
to be dismissive of it and to say,
oh, well, that's just the future.
But the future is
here in some respects, and
this technology
is
is is be you know, it is a
digital there's a digital prison being built around
us, and it's we're not conspiracy
theorists for recognizing it. We're conspiracy
analysts
that are analyzing actual things. I mean, we
we could speculate and and and sort of
ask the question is to, like,
why would Israel want to, you know, depopulate
this?
You can ask the question why. The facts
are that it's actually happening. Exactly. So it's
a measurable observation. So for those that have
their heads down and aren't really paying attention
to it, boy, you know, it it pays
to be you know, I know there's a
lot going on, but it pays to
to to to open your eyes a little
bit on these topics.
And to the extent that you can understand
them, just just realize that if we
allow the government to,
to build this digital prison around us,
And if you're waiting to hear it on
CNN or MSNBC or Fox News that it's
time to get, you know, get yourself extracted
out of this or get your money out
of the bank or whatever, you're gonna be
waiting a long, long time. You'll be the
last person to figure it out. So,
one of the things that's been great about
your show is that you're so early on
this,
that in
for the the viewers get the opportunity to
make moves accordingly.
You know, you you give them enough advanced
knowledge that they can do x, y, and
z now as opposed to after the fact
when it's already happened when or when it's
safe to discuss it. You know, we we
were gonna talk about vaccines and RFK Jr.
And all that stuff. But, like, you know,
like, once once
your fit once Piers Morgan
and Tucker Carlson are talking about, well, maybe
we should ask some questions about the vaccines.
It's too late. It's three years three years
too late. So,
when you're early, you sound crazy.
We know that. Mhmm. But it doesn't mean
that we are. So I'm I'm
I I hope that people take the time
to to to wrap their heads around this
to to the extent that they can and
and connect with their family members and or,
you know, the people that will listen to
them. And maybe it's not always your family.
Sometimes it's sometimes it's just strangers
Right. That that that connect with you a
lot more than, you know, than your best
friends who you would think would listen to
what you have to say about this, and
you find out otherwise. So so it's a
pivotal time. It's a real important time to
not get lulled into this, false left right
paradigm, you know, to see it for what
it is and and to recognize that if
we are not careful,
we're gonna get ourselves in a situation where,
those fifteen minute cities aren't theoretical. They're they're
they're actually
happening, and, and it's controlled by the technocracy,
and we
we cheerlead it on. I I just don't
know that if I could live with myself
if I saw what was coming
and didn't speak out about it. Yeah. Yeah.
And whether they call it freedom cities or
or or fifteen minute cities. I mean, just
ask Honduras. It's already happening. Right? I mean,
it's very clearly that this is is going
forward. But and since you comment on that,
I'll include I was gonna we didn't get
into it, but I'll include my show on
it from yesterday if you guys wanna know
more about that conversation. You know? And what
I love about our conversation, Charlie, is it's
organic. Right? It's just I'm just talking points
we have lined up, and I just love
having these conversations with you, man. But, I'll
also,
comment on one on one thing I think
is interesting is that it jumped into my
head that
Gaza
you know, a lot of people ask, you
know, especially with the kind of America First
discussion, why, you know, why are you talk
care caring more about that? Which is funny,
even though we saw in the midst of
this early administration where they were pointing at
Europe and everything else, and they didn't care
when that was happening. But the point is
that that my mindset is that it all
matters clearly. But if you want a reason
to make the connection, like you were highlighting,
Gaza has been existing in a digital prison,
both kinetic and digital, but for a long
time. Okay? And so they understand what our
future looks like right there. And then if
you wanna look at a point where that's
your future's coming or like they say that
next year next, I mean, that's where this
is right now. As much as they're trying
to it's almost like everything it's like the,
you know, accuse that accuse you of that
of that which or it has no what's
the saying? Accuse them of that which you
are guilty. Right? Like, accuse them of what
you're doing. Right? It kinda seems what's happening,
but that's a good thing to think about.
But whether you think that matters or not,
the point is, as we've highlighted today, this
is clearly something that's building around you. So,
you can choose to accept that it's gonna
be for the good re right reasons, or
you can just be objective and show discernment
and question all of it, which I hope
we can all do, you know? But, anything
else you wanna throw out there, brother, like,
update a venture? I I I hope that
people will,
will go to activistpost.com
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So I hope people will will check out
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And I will see you in at, Third
Eye Carnival in about a month. Are you
gonna be there for the for the birthday
party before or just coming for the carnival?
I'm coming Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Good. So the
third?
Is Is that the third?
I don't know. Fourth, third. The third just
the third is so basically, we have the
the third the third night carnival, and we
have but the day before it starts, we're
doing the Steve and I's little personal birthday
party. I'll miss the birthday party. Everything else,
but you're welcome to come. So everyone I'm
we're just gonna be sitting around jamming, like,
kind of at that location before. So Awesome.
Awesome. I encourage everyone to go. I mean,
coming back I just got back from Anarkapulco
where I was emceeing that that event. And
and
they don't want us meeting in person. That
is for sure. They they do not like
that when when when we when like minded
people get together, we come up with great
ideas. We start to network. We we we
make connections that that, are international in scope,
and these events are crucial. So if you're
somebody out there that that wants, hey. You
know what? Make this your, incorporate this in,
you know, weekend into your,
your vacation. You know? Get out there and
meet some some like minded people from around
around the country, and, and you you'll be
you'll feel a lot. But afterwards, you know,
we did this in in Pueblo for the
Third Eye Carnival last last, summer. It was
fantastic, man. It's it's just it's a great
place to to connect with people and,
and and
and, you know, and then you you go
off and you've got a little bit you
feel a little bit better about yourself if
okay. I'm not the only I'm not. Right.
You're not alone. Sees this. I'm not alone.
And and the especially after the isolation of
the couple years of COVID, what that did
to people psychologically,
it's really good to meet in person and
connect. So I look forward to meeting you
in person in about a month. Outstanding, brother.
Well, I'll see you then. And as always,
everybody out there, question everything. Come to your
own conclusions. Stay vigilant.