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Welcome to the last American Vagabond. Joining me

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today is James Corbit to catch us up

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on his perspective on what the hell is

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going on in Syria. Obviously, there's a lot

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of narratives flying around. Clearly, there's more up

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in the air than there is that we

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can prove. So James is somebody who has

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been covering this for a very long time,

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very, very insightfully, very you know, he documents

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things more than anybody that I that I've

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talked to in the past. So I wanted

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to bring him on to give us his

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his, perspective on what might have happened recently,

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but also kinda the background of the story

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and overlapping with some of the current conversations

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of today, drones, and a lot of other

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things going on. James, it's always an honor

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to have you on the show. How are

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you, brother?

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I'm doing alright, Ryan. Thanks for having me

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Yeah. Yeah. Always. And as I said, I

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really do think your your long term coverage

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of this is is very, of the word,

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I guess, intricate as one of the words

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that jumped in my mind, but very detail

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oriented which I really appreciate from your work.

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So let let I know we got limited

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time today, so let's start with, generally speaking,

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the, you know, I guess, the not so

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civil war of of Syria and give us

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the breakdown on what that really was because

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I know average people tend to still regard

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it even within the independent media as a

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civil war. And I I find that to

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be contrary to the truth. So give us

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the back the background.

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with you, on that. So if people want

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the, the sort of summary of this, I

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would suggest they check out my recent brief

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history of, this the war on Syria,

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in which I documented the 13 years of

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coverage that I've been doing on this, almost

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14 years at this point. But long story

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we can go back to 2011,

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part of that Arab spring that, of course,

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and was sweeping across the Arab world. And

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there were reports, as I pointed out, for

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example, in my recent podcast, the CFR and

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others were writing about, you know, things are

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happening in Syria and when they do, you

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know the Syrian government's gonna crack down on

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this resistance.

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this. And of course, inevitably, some

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Facebook users managed to put cobble together some

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protests, question mark. I think there are big

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question marks around all of that because even

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as the, the coverage of those events pointed

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out, Facebook is actually banned in Syria, but

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it's easily circumventable.

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And anyway, these spontaneous

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people protests

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resulted, at any rate by the end of

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in deadly protests. And although it was framed

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at the time as, you know, Assad went

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berserk and started killing people willy nilly, the

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even the actual reports that were coming out,

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even in the establishment media at the time

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were noting, no, they were

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attacking police, burning down police headquarters and things

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of what has been called the civil war,

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but is clearly not a civil war. What

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we have seen is a foreign backed, foreign

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armed, foreign trained terrorist insurrection

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Caveat as always,

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need to be done, but I'll do it

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This is not to say that I think

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that this the government in Syria was a

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wonderful thing and Assad the Assad family should

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deserve to rule over Syria and all of

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I think an excellent perspective on that comes

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veteran war correspondent.

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on Ron Paul Institute recently on death of

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where he talks about his experiences in Syria

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and what he went through there, witnessing some

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of the terrible things that the Syrian government

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has done in the past.

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He, writes, for example, what our heavily biased

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media in the US and Britain don't tell

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you is that the US has been trying

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to overthrow Syria's different regimes since 19 fifties.

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based in Syria in his book, The Game

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of Nations, which documents all of this.

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Syria's worst years were under an Alawite air

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force general, Hafez

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who seized power in the 1971 coup coup.

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Syria with an iron hand, battling attempts by

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Saudi intelligence, Turkey, and Israel

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to unseat him. And Syria suffered 8 coups

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1946. And these efforts led to the brutal

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repressiveness of the Syrian regimes.

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after its terror. Islamists revolted against the Assad

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regime. Tens of 1,000 were killed there. Hafez

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did America's bidding

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when he sent troops to Iraq in 1991.

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to be tortured,

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to link Iraq to nonexistent nuclear weapons.

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who was slated to replace Hafez after his

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death in 2000,

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killed himself in a car crash. In true

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mafia style, the Assad family forced the mild

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mannered Bashar,

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a British trained ophthalmologist

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to become president.

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behind the throne. So I think, yeah, Bashar

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al Assad being this crazed

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psychopathic lunatic bombing his own people willy nilly,

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etcetera, doesn't even begin to scratch the surface

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of the intricacies of Syrian politics and what

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was really going on there, etcetera, etcetera.

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spontaneous people's uprising of just people, just the

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Syrian people

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making their democratic voices heard. That's total hogwash

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nonsense

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because when you start to look at it,

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it was a smorgasbord

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of players outside regional global superpowers coming in

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to arm, train, fund, equip, and supply fighters

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civil war? No. This terrorist insurrection.

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So the main players at the table have

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always been the US,

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and assorted NATO members and other other has

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beens and also rants as well. But those

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have been the main powers that have been

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licking their chops in various ways for various

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to get into Syria. And we can get

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into that and start breaking down who the

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players at the table were and what their

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reasons are. But I think that's the way

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in Syria. And at the very bottom line

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of all of this,

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this is not good for the Syrian people.

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was at least a functioning state in which

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you did have these different factions. An Alawite

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minority, but you had Druze, you had Christians,

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which had high literacy rates, good medical system,

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etcetera. It was not

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the failed state that it is now. The

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complete mayhem and chaos of a smoking battleground

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which it has been turned into because of

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this foreign armed terrorist insurrection.

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can get into the moment, there's there's

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widespread evidence that that is exactly, I mean,

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no longer the case, where you have religious

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minorities being persecuted all over this country right

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now. But so that that's interesting. In a

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your work so much is is the objective

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perspective around this that clearly,

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from my perspective, any government. I I'm never

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gonna be the one going that government's but

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I I I think governments are the problem,

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quite frankly. But I the the point being

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is that the claims about him, by and

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large, have been fabricated. Lie doesn't make him

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a good entity necessarily. So but in a

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with what you laid out, which is perfectly

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stated right there, do do you see Assad

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in this context as somebody who was necessarily,

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people of Syria? It's a broad question. But

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because I I tend to think that he's

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not just lied about chemical attacks and everything

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else, but also broadly misrepresented

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whether or not he committed lots of crimes

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like plenty of governments. Like, where do you

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place him in that kind of spectrum?

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an expert on the intricacies of Syrian politics

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because I have never lived in Syria. So,

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and other people to give you that kind

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of, perspective. But something that rings true to

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of the government. But the real power behind

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the throne being his brother seems like it

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is the kind of setup we see in

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a lot of different places, where the person

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in front is the mild mannered ophthalmologist who

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genocidal maniac who wanted to kill people. I

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think he genuinely believed what he was saying

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and what he was doing in, Syria was

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for the best of the Syrian people. But

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I think there were other forces behind that

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throne as there always is in every country,

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in every context. And we would be naive

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to think otherwise. So the Assad family

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may be more of a power than Bashar

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al Assad himself. At any rate, you are

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The chemical weapons lies and all of the

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other lies that we have seen over the

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past decade, provable demonstrable lie after provable demonstrable

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lie again and again and again and again

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to make Assad

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the new Hitler

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slash the new Saddam, the new the new

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boogeyman of the week was a ridiculous and,

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propagandistic effort. But unfortunately, worked on enough of

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the population for, I think, a lot of

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people to just go along with that narrative.

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system tends to work more than anything today.

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mind outside of I mean, obviously, there's a

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1,000 directions to go in around the background

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and that. And we we had we had

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17 hours. We could get into it. But

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so from that point forward,

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you know, why in your perspective, your research

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around this, why now? What what do you

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think was the changing factor? Because you you

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really did a great job outlining that in

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the work around this that there was clearly

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this time frame that didn't like, you know,

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it was 13 years and then it just

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on a on a dime, all of a

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sudden, it just rapidly happened. So what do

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you think changed?

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One thing that's quite obvious that we could

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point to is that it was literally what

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hours after the the ceasefire in Lebanon that

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suddenly

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Syria just completely changes on a dime. So

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I I think there has to be some

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relation between those events. And that makes sense

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because as I say, one of the main

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powers and players at the table whose interest

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in all of this is just so absolutely

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blatant that I don't think anyone could even

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seriously deny it is Israel, obviously,

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has a strategic interest

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in the collapse of the Assad government and

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in the destabilization of Syria. Again, this isn't

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theorizing. This isn't we don't have to go

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out and eliminate. We have 1980

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I wanna say 83. At any rate, 1980s

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Oded Yunnan plan. We have the clean break

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document that was, put together by the proto

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neocons before

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neocons were even really a thing, but they

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were already working for then incoming Israeli prime

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minister in 1996 writing his Clean Break, a

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new strategy for protecting the realm document which

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talked about the destabilization and containment of Israel's

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regional

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foes including Syria. And why Syria in particular?

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Hey. You know what? Broken clocks can be

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right, a couple of times a day. So

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I will point people to a cfr.org

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post

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from, last week about Syria after Assad. What

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to know about HTS, Hezbollah, and Iran where

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they don't hide the fact that, yes, clearly,

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Israel is a big winner in this destabilization

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because it severed that Shia Crescent land bridge

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between Iran and Lebanon. So Hezbollah has been

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severely weakened

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as a result of what has just happened.

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so clearly, I think that there's that the

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timing on that, the Lebanon ceasefire and then

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immediately transitioning into let's bomb the hell out

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of Syria

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seems to be, related.

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But there are other players at the table.

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As I say, the Israeli slash US side

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of it is I think quite obvious and

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blatant. But there are other sides of this

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that I think deserve mention. Saudi and Qatar,

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as I mentioned, have been heavily involved in,

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arming and training some of these terrorists and

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supplying and equipping and sending them across the

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border, etcetera.

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But actually, I think Turkey,

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may be

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potentially in a position to to be one

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of the big winners from what has just

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taken place. Because, Erdogan,

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no fan of Assad and the Assad government.

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And more specifically, the Turkish

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power behind the throne.

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Who could that be? Well,

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you could get an idea,

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of that. For example, from a, a recent

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article. It was up on Global Research. Arab

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countries will work to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood

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from long term rule in Syria. And it's

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an interview with Tarek Hajib who notes,

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it is important to know at the beginning

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that the ideology and doctrine of Hayat Tarir

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al Sham, h t s, which are, of

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course, now the ruling clique, I guess, in

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Damascus

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or seem to be.

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The HTS is very close to the ideology

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of the ruling justice and development party in

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Turkey.

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And during the years of the crisis, Turkish

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intelligence was able to attract it, reformulate it,

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and adapt it, that is HTS, to serve

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it, as in to serve Turkish intelligence. And

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it seems that it has moved to the

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bosom

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of the Muslim brotherhood.

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So you get the specter of Muslim brotherhood,

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participation

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in what's going on in all of this.

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And that should be ringing bells for people,

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for example, who remember my false flags documentary

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where

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Muslim brotherhood was, certainly a part of that

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mix. And this is an organization that rose

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up in Egypt under the British protectorate, military

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protectorate post World War 1.

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And transnational

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Sunni Islamist movement

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that

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was,

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on its face, was against British colonialism in

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Egypt and was working against the British. But

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the British used that that didn't stop the

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British from using Muslim Brotherhood, even covertly funding

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them documentably in 1942,

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as a bulwark against the nationalists and the

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communists and pan Arabists and Nasser and people

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like that. The enemy of my enemy is

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my friend. So where where have we seen

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this before? Well, exactly what's been playing out

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in Syria. So there's a big playbook,

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that they're working from here. And how does

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this play into what's likely to come next?

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How about this just come coming from the

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cradle? US officials say massive ISIS jailbreak possible

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if Turkish backed offensive

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continues in North Syria. Because,

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yes, the Syrian Democratic

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Forces, the SDF, are the Kurdish

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militia,

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which the US has been supporting in the

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oil rich northeast Syria.

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So that they've had control over that since

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2015.

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But now HTS has talked about we need

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to get rid of these

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Kurdish groups and Turkey is going after the

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Kurdish groups. But the Kurdish militia control dozens

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of makeshift prison camps Mhmm. That hold tens

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of thousands of ISIS members and their families.

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So now that they're going after the Kurdish

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the Kurdish militias, well they're gonna obviously the

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ISIS guys are gonna get out and then

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all hell breaks loose. And they they've called

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this essentially a,

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essentially a terrorist army in detention

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according to a retired US general who led

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CENTCOM from 2016 to 2019. So, oh my

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god. What Pandora's box are they about to

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open?

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But again, as we've seen time and time

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and time and time and time again throughout

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the entire war of terror, not just the

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last 20 years, but the last 100 years

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of the use,

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formulation,

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and sponsorship of radical Islamic terrorism.

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This always plays into the hands of the

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manipulators who are the ones who foot the

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bill for this at the end of the

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day. And who can direct these terrorist boogeyman

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armies as chess pieces on the board. They

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can move them into a country to

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to completely destabilize a government that they don't

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like. And then when that government gets destabilized,

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they can go, hey, look. The terrorist boogeyman

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is there. Now we need to go in

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after them. Etcetera etcetera.

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Unfortunately, you and

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probably your audience know how that game is

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played.

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I'm sitting here thinking about what you're highlighting.

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I'm thinking to myself, maybe save for some

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remnants of of the actual Syrian army that

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may still be there, which doesn't seem that

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way.

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What parts if of this dynamic are not

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funded by US and Israel right now? Pretty

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sure it's everything happening in Syria right now.

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Am I correct? Literally every part of it.

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In a sense because remember,

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and I even cited the LA Times on

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this in my recent article that,

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this was not, you know, conspiracy news. Remember

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when the state department funded terrorists were fighting

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against the CIA funded terrorists in Syria. Remember?

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So they yeah. They've been funding all sorts

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of

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different different factions that are now fighting each

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other which gives this bizarre thing. But yes,

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of course, what is the bottom line of

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this? HTS has,

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and specifically Al Jalani or whatever he's calling

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himself this week, has specifically come out and

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said, we will not be launch using Syria

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as a launch pad for attack against Israel.

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Which is weird. Right? Because the entire backstory

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of Al Galani was that his grandfather was

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kicked out of the Golan Heights in 1967

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by Israel.

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He was energized and radicalized by the 2nd

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intrava in in Palestine and he was thinking,

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you know, how how can I fight for

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the oppressed, etcetera? That's why he went into

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Iraq

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where he was then,

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he,

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sponsoring,

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suicide bombings and and participating

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in torture and what have you in Iraq,

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gets caught by the US, put in Camp

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Bucca along with

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Baghdadi,

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the future

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commander of ISIS. Right? And that's where they

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meet. And then, of course, when he eventual

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Jalani eventually gets out and from this terrorist

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incubator,

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which

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the Camp Bucca story is this whole other

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story. But anyway, when when he gets out

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from this terrorist incubator, he meets up with

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Baghdadi and sends him into Syria with,

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whatever it is. Several $100,000

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to start wreaking havoc and carnage in 2011.

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And that's exactly what happened. Now he is

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the man in charge

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of Syria, presumably. I mean, he's not the

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prime the provisional prime minister, but he's the

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one calling the shots. And he has been

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very clear. We're not going after Israel. We're

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not gonna attack. Isn't that strange?

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Now why would that be? But again, it

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has to do with, okay, is HTS a

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proxy for Turkey and how will that because

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Turkey doesn't wanna fight Israel, that's for sure.

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They wanna they wanna be a regional power

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that shares with Israel,

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etcetera. So there's some strange strange

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political calculations that are going on right now.

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And I don't know. These these are some

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of the biggest moves I I've probably seen

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in my lifetime in terms of the rejiggering

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of the Middle East.

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Yeah. Well, when when when I was first

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talking to Vanessa about this on the first,

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it, you know, it was and and she

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did make some very good points that I

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still think stand about how this started as

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more of a psychological manipulation that might have

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been taken advantage of. But ultimately, that we

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just kind of like, are we sure this

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is actually happening? Like, you know, it was

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you're right. It was such a dramatic and

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rapid move that it just wasn't sure if

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this was, like, you you know I mean,

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as you pointed on the article, this is

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a a a not just a regional, but

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a world changing event in a lot of

534
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ways. You know? So you you mentioned the

535
00:19:27,429 --> 00:19:30,194
ISIS element of this. What just really quickly,

536
00:19:30,194 --> 00:19:31,795
I I want your opinion on it. Well,

537
00:19:31,795 --> 00:19:32,694
about the the,

538
00:19:33,474 --> 00:19:34,914
people in the in the prisons and so

539
00:19:34,914 --> 00:19:36,515
on, and you made the point about whether

540
00:19:36,515 --> 00:19:38,775
or not this could then become the justification.

541
00:19:39,075 --> 00:19:40,434
I'm really just highlighting what you said in

542
00:19:40,434 --> 00:19:42,919
there about whether they can either keep them

543
00:19:43,059 --> 00:19:44,740
and support Jelani as sort of the new

544
00:19:44,740 --> 00:19:47,460
leader or rather use him as the scapegoat

545
00:19:47,460 --> 00:19:48,740
for why they're out and then use it

546
00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:50,759
for the ongoing, you know oops.

547
00:19:51,139 --> 00:19:51,799
Hold on.

548
00:19:52,659 --> 00:19:53,480
That's frustrating.

549
00:19:54,099 --> 00:19:55,879
I'm not even sure where that's coming from.

550
00:19:56,194 --> 00:19:58,035
Oh, there it is. It seems to do

551
00:19:58,035 --> 00:19:59,234
that to me often these days. I mean,

552
00:19:59,234 --> 00:20:00,194
that was the middle of the show it

553
00:20:00,194 --> 00:20:01,575
starts playing in the background. Anyway,

554
00:20:02,515 --> 00:20:04,515
so anyway, so the point was that being

555
00:20:04,515 --> 00:20:06,775
stated as the possibility on that goes forward.

556
00:20:06,835 --> 00:20:08,755
I I wanted your thoughts on on very

557
00:20:08,755 --> 00:20:09,974
quickly on the

558
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,019
how this before this

559
00:20:12,399 --> 00:20:14,000
before this caught to this point, do you

560
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,679
think that Russia and Iran in some way

561
00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:17,299
might have double crossed

562
00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:19,759
sir Assad or Syria? Or, like, how do

563
00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:21,119
you think that played out, like, with that

564
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,605
looming point about knowing that there are terrorist

565
00:20:23,605 --> 00:20:25,204
forces both in these prisons, that there are

566
00:20:25,204 --> 00:20:27,365
groups that are funded by the outside? Do

567
00:20:27,365 --> 00:20:29,125
you think that's possible that they might have

568
00:20:29,125 --> 00:20:31,045
decided to kinda let this all go? I

569
00:20:31,045 --> 00:20:32,085
I just what are your thoughts on it?

570
00:20:32,085 --> 00:20:33,524
Because I I'm juggling that right now, whether

571
00:20:33,524 --> 00:20:34,585
I think it's possible.

572
00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:37,809
It is it is certainly possible. And I

573
00:20:37,809 --> 00:20:39,890
have no insight into this that I'll be

574
00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:41,809
able to say definitively one way or another.

575
00:20:41,809 --> 00:20:42,630
But it certainly

576
00:20:43,009 --> 00:20:44,849
it is does not strike me as beyond

577
00:20:44,849 --> 00:20:46,529
the pale. Now I know that the rah

578
00:20:46,529 --> 00:20:49,054
rah, Russia is the wonderful cheerleader,

579
00:20:49,674 --> 00:20:51,434
of the world. We're gonna you know, Putin

580
00:20:51,434 --> 00:20:52,335
is is great.

581
00:20:52,875 --> 00:20:55,194
Are saying that, no, Putin saw that Assad

582
00:20:55,194 --> 00:20:57,034
wasn't gonna stand up. He wasn't really gonna

583
00:20:57,034 --> 00:20:59,034
defend himself. So they they had to protect

584
00:20:59,034 --> 00:21:00,839
their interests and get out of there. But

585
00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:03,720
that seems to contradict that statement that Assad

586
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,400
has released where he was saying, no, I

587
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,559
was right to the last day and I

588
00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:09,559
wasn't told that there was there was not

589
00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,240
gonna be a defense and that, you know,

590
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,099
they evacuated me. So

591
00:21:14,315 --> 00:21:15,914
I don't know. I can't really sort that

592
00:21:15,914 --> 00:21:18,714
out, but I, I did see, Syrian girl,

593
00:21:18,714 --> 00:21:20,954
I believe, on x was posting videos of

594
00:21:20,954 --> 00:21:21,454
Syrian,

595
00:21:22,234 --> 00:21:23,214
army soldiers

596
00:21:24,634 --> 00:21:26,494
frothing at the mouth, apoplectic

597
00:21:26,875 --> 00:21:28,015
that they had been abandoned

598
00:21:28,539 --> 00:21:31,420
by Assad and Russia and Iran. Just everyone

599
00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:33,680
had just abandoned them and so

600
00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:36,220
who knows exactly what happened. But I could

601
00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:37,839
definitely see that there was,

602
00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:41,085
clearly, Russia and Iran have been propping up

603
00:21:41,085 --> 00:21:43,265
Syria for many years now and have been

604
00:21:43,325 --> 00:21:45,345
holding these forces at bay and they aren't

605
00:21:45,724 --> 00:21:47,884
they they didn't in the past few weeks.

606
00:21:47,884 --> 00:21:49,964
So what deal was cut by whom and

607
00:21:49,964 --> 00:21:52,924
when? Not exactly certain. But certainly there was

608
00:21:52,924 --> 00:21:55,644
the Astana peace talks and things that were

609
00:21:55,644 --> 00:21:56,704
going on in Doha,

610
00:21:57,539 --> 00:21:59,700
right before as this was happening and they

611
00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:01,700
were they were talking about it and they

612
00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:03,380
even came out with a statement saying Assad

613
00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:05,480
is gonna have to negotiate with the rebel

614
00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:08,580
forces. They weren't even calling them terrorists. So

615
00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:10,580
clearly there was some sort of backing away

616
00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:12,224
from Assad that was going on at that

617
00:22:12,224 --> 00:22:13,924
that time. Why at that time?

618
00:22:14,384 --> 00:22:16,704
Well, one okay. Here's one possibility and I'm

619
00:22:16,704 --> 00:22:18,304
just thinking off the top of my head

620
00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:19,984
so I I again, I have nothing to

621
00:22:19,984 --> 00:22:21,825
back this up. But we do know that

622
00:22:21,825 --> 00:22:23,765
Russia did come out and say,

623
00:22:24,144 --> 00:22:24,644
Ukraine

624
00:22:25,025 --> 00:22:26,490
is helping to,

625
00:22:26,809 --> 00:22:29,849
sponsor and train these HTS terrorists in Syria

626
00:22:29,849 --> 00:22:32,650
and giving them drones and and teaching them

627
00:22:32,650 --> 00:22:34,509
and instructing them about that, etcetera.

628
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:36,970
And that was later confirmed even by the

629
00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:39,134
establishment media. Yep. Ukraine was

630
00:22:39,454 --> 00:22:43,055
in Syria helping. Why is Ukraine in Syria

631
00:22:43,055 --> 00:22:43,954
helping terrorists

632
00:22:44,575 --> 00:22:45,634
undermine Assad

633
00:22:46,015 --> 00:22:48,494
unless, of course, it's a ploy to get

634
00:22:48,494 --> 00:22:51,214
Russian military attention away from the Ukraine front.

635
00:22:51,214 --> 00:22:53,670
Right? So this is why this really is

636
00:22:53,670 --> 00:22:55,430
already world war we are in a world

637
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:57,430
war. I mean, it's just a question of

638
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:59,910
the proxy forces in but clearly, if you

639
00:22:59,910 --> 00:23:01,369
have Ukraine in Syria

640
00:23:01,670 --> 00:23:03,910
trying to draw Russian and military attention away

641
00:23:03,910 --> 00:23:06,534
from Ukraine, Clearly, there is something much, much

642
00:23:06,534 --> 00:23:08,875
broader than regional war going on. So,

643
00:23:09,255 --> 00:23:11,894
hey, you Putin cheerleaders who think he's gonna

644
00:23:11,894 --> 00:23:13,414
save the world, I'm not one of you,

645
00:23:13,414 --> 00:23:15,095
but I'll give you I'll give you this.

646
00:23:15,095 --> 00:23:17,730
Maybe Putin saw that and said, you know,

647
00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:20,049
okay. Nice try Ukraine, but I'm not gonna

648
00:23:20,049 --> 00:23:22,369
do that. I'm I'm gonna concentrate on Ukraine.

649
00:23:22,369 --> 00:23:24,609
That's more my strategic interest. So maybe he

650
00:23:24,609 --> 00:23:25,109
said,

651
00:23:25,890 --> 00:23:28,309
let's withdraw from Syria. I don't know. Again,

652
00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:30,549
there's so many possibilities and

653
00:23:31,275 --> 00:23:32,715
it it seems like the type of thing

654
00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:34,955
we probably, at our level of the information

655
00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:36,634
pyramid, won't be able to really sort out

656
00:23:36,634 --> 00:23:38,795
for decades to come. Right. If ever, like,

657
00:23:38,795 --> 00:23:39,914
a lot of these, you know, kind of

658
00:23:39,914 --> 00:23:41,595
central moves in the past. But, you know,

659
00:23:41,595 --> 00:23:43,275
I I so I think I'm glad the

660
00:23:43,275 --> 00:23:44,555
way you frame that is good. I think

661
00:23:44,555 --> 00:23:45,775
that, you know, I

662
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,359
don't know. Right? The obvious information is up

663
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,960
in the air. But it the the the

664
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,559
way that it all comes together just does

665
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,399
not make sense, which is obviously kind of

666
00:23:53,399 --> 00:23:54,700
what a lot of us are highlighting

667
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,440
that, you know, why they would have all

668
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,039
surrendered, why it was such a rapid, you

669
00:23:58,039 --> 00:23:58,779
know, removal.

670
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:01,224
And this is the timing is interesting. This

671
00:24:01,224 --> 00:24:03,785
is on the 8th December. This was, Sputnik,

672
00:24:03,785 --> 00:24:04,285
so

673
00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:06,904
reporting that he had resigned and called for

674
00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:09,704
peaceful handover, which nobody else seemed to report.

675
00:24:09,704 --> 00:24:10,984
Like, the timing is just you know, and

676
00:24:10,984 --> 00:24:12,184
none of it really lines up for me.

677
00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:13,545
And so one of the things I consider

678
00:24:13,545 --> 00:24:15,720
is that that really, I guess, one of

679
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,320
2 things. Like, as you're highlighting that they

680
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,160
either just made the decision that this is

681
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,680
no longer worth it for them, which just

682
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,920
doesn't make sense for the long term, or

683
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,160
that maybe there's a long term play here.

684
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Like, why Assad hasn't said anything? Why, you

685
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,440
know, maybe the the play is for the

686
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,904
larger long term resistance element? I mean, that's

687
00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:32,345
maybe a little more wishful thinking. I think

688
00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:34,184
day by day, that becomes less likely. But

689
00:24:34,184 --> 00:24:35,945
it's nonetheless very interesting to see how this

690
00:24:35,945 --> 00:24:37,865
has played out. And, sadly, I think we

691
00:24:37,865 --> 00:24:40,345
see that the worst elements are now in

692
00:24:40,345 --> 00:24:42,105
control. And I'm and I am speaking about

693
00:24:42,105 --> 00:24:43,545
not just the people on the ground. Right?

694
00:24:43,545 --> 00:24:45,320
The elements that are doing this inside of

695
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,500
Syria. So I want to talk about

696
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:50,200
the app the aspect of these actual elements

697
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,940
and and

698
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,400
give us, you know, a background, but also

699
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,160
what we're talking about with not just Hyatt

700
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,920
Yal Shahm, but, you know, Nusro that comes

701
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,041
from, like, the reality. I guess, like, taking

702
00:24:59,041 --> 00:25:00,815
it back to this point, which you've done,

703
00:25:00,815 --> 00:25:01,315
which,

704
00:25:01,774 --> 00:25:03,454
where is that? Here we go. Your amazing

705
00:25:03,454 --> 00:25:05,934
work on the history of Al Qaeda. Like,

706
00:25:05,934 --> 00:25:07,855
the history of what this is kind of,

707
00:25:07,855 --> 00:25:09,615
I guess, a rapid course from the origin

708
00:25:09,615 --> 00:25:10,974
point to where we are now for the

709
00:25:10,974 --> 00:25:13,000
average person for, you know, what this really

710
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,519
is? Because I think even to this moment,

711
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:16,839
people are very confused about whether these are

712
00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:19,079
terrorists. He's in a suit now. You know?

713
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:20,539
So what is this group, and

714
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,839
are the origin point to Al Qaeda and

715
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:24,680
ISIS? And and do you would you argue

716
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,000
US and Israel are ultimately behind all of

717
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,464
this?

718
00:25:29,865 --> 00:25:31,644
Sorry. Can you repeat that last part?

719
00:25:32,025 --> 00:25:33,384
Well, I get the general point is the

720
00:25:33,384 --> 00:25:34,664
history of what we're looking at. And then

721
00:25:34,664 --> 00:25:36,025
do you feel that the US and Israel

722
00:25:36,025 --> 00:25:38,284
are responsible for for what these groups are?

723
00:25:39,865 --> 00:25:41,164
There's no doubt that

724
00:25:41,464 --> 00:25:41,704
the

725
00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:44,329
again, if people look at the history of

726
00:25:44,329 --> 00:25:46,970
the development of Islamic terrorism, there is no

727
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:49,450
doubt that there has been Western involvement in

728
00:25:49,450 --> 00:25:51,529
that since its inception. And there is no

729
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:53,470
doubt that Israel has been using,

730
00:25:55,035 --> 00:25:57,755
the the front of Islamic terrorism for its

731
00:25:57,755 --> 00:25:58,414
own purposes.

732
00:25:58,795 --> 00:25:59,295
I

733
00:25:59,674 --> 00:26:02,394
mean, as far back as Israel goes. And,

734
00:26:03,195 --> 00:26:05,434
so, yes, there's no doubt in my mind

735
00:26:05,434 --> 00:26:08,095
that there is clearly a US Israel

736
00:26:08,555 --> 00:26:09,535
interest in

737
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:12,859
in not just in this particular aspect of

738
00:26:12,859 --> 00:26:15,279
the operation, but in the greater Middle East

739
00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:16,559
rejiggering plan

740
00:26:16,940 --> 00:26:18,940
that we talked about. And as as I

741
00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:21,099
know you've pointed out, as I've pointed out,

742
00:26:21,099 --> 00:26:22,779
of course, we had the 7 countries in

743
00:26:22,779 --> 00:26:25,039
5 years plan, which is twenty

744
00:26:25,404 --> 00:26:27,964
plus years later and it still hasn't, you

745
00:26:27,964 --> 00:26:30,444
know, all taken place. But clearly, there there

746
00:26:30,444 --> 00:26:32,684
is a target list. I just don't think,

747
00:26:32,684 --> 00:26:34,444
you know, it's gonna the pieces were gonna

748
00:26:34,444 --> 00:26:36,305
follow like the NeoCons hoped they would.

749
00:26:36,765 --> 00:26:37,265
But

750
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,019
given that calculus,

751
00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,559
the real question is, okay, what comes next?

752
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,659
And does this set up

753
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:47,099
the possibility for the attack on Iran?

754
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,299
That still seems like a crazy

755
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:51,259
absolute

756
00:26:52,154 --> 00:26:52,815
no doubt

757
00:26:53,434 --> 00:26:55,855
hot world war scenario to me.

758
00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:58,795
But maybe this is part of the complete

759
00:26:58,795 --> 00:27:01,195
containment of Iran, or maybe they're gonna try

760
00:27:01,195 --> 00:27:03,195
some sort of other operation within Iran to

761
00:27:03,195 --> 00:27:05,215
get some sort of regime change going

762
00:27:05,659 --> 00:27:06,159
there.

763
00:27:06,779 --> 00:27:09,919
But now, anyway, now that Trump is,

764
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:12,319
in power and along with Netanyahu,

765
00:27:12,859 --> 00:27:14,319
I think it's all on the table.

766
00:27:14,859 --> 00:27:16,539
Well, let let's talk about that. Since, you

767
00:27:16,539 --> 00:27:17,419
know, the the,

768
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:19,419
one point that really stood out to me

769
00:27:19,419 --> 00:27:21,099
in your article around this is something that

770
00:27:21,099 --> 00:27:23,394
I've, you know, it almost bothers me that

771
00:27:23,394 --> 00:27:25,255
we can't address how obviously

772
00:27:25,634 --> 00:27:27,634
based on every metric we ever used to

773
00:27:27,634 --> 00:27:30,115
to to frame the previous wars as world

774
00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:31,875
wars that we've been in a world war

775
00:27:31,875 --> 00:27:33,315
since I mean, you can go back a

776
00:27:33,315 --> 00:27:35,930
long way. Syria, even before. Right? Multiple countries

777
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:38,170
involved in multiple not even this one field,

778
00:27:38,170 --> 00:27:40,430
but multiple fields of war in multiple places.

779
00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:42,170
So by any metric we've ever used, we've

780
00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:44,009
been in world World War 3 for I

781
00:27:44,009 --> 00:27:45,130
mean, why don't you tell me? How long

782
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:46,830
do you think that's been the case? And,

783
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:49,049
you know, why I guess, first point, why

784
00:27:49,049 --> 00:27:50,545
do you think it's why do you think

785
00:27:50,545 --> 00:27:51,984
they don't want to frame it as that?

786
00:27:51,984 --> 00:27:53,445
Do you think there's an agenda there?

787
00:27:54,865 --> 00:27:56,745
Yeah. That's a good question. Because there's certainly

788
00:27:56,945 --> 00:27:58,785
there's a lot to be gained from the

789
00:27:58,785 --> 00:28:01,744
power structure in times of war. So why

790
00:28:01,744 --> 00:28:02,724
wouldn't they be

791
00:28:03,345 --> 00:28:05,619
gesturing at that? I mean, one one way

792
00:28:05,619 --> 00:28:07,859
of looking at this is people could say,

793
00:28:07,859 --> 00:28:10,500
well, yeah, but no. This is proxy war

794
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:11,799
and that is still

795
00:28:12,579 --> 00:28:15,059
a form of cold war turning hot or

796
00:28:15,059 --> 00:28:17,079
something like that. It's not the full on

797
00:28:17,585 --> 00:28:20,244
superpowers directly confronting each other yet.

798
00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:23,345
But we I mean, as you say, it's

799
00:28:23,345 --> 00:28:25,345
in so many different areas and so many

800
00:28:25,345 --> 00:28:27,424
different, aspects of it are lining up that

801
00:28:27,424 --> 00:28:29,424
it's difficult to deny the reality that there

802
00:28:29,424 --> 00:28:31,779
is a global conflict taking place right now.

803
00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:34,119
Yeah. But as I've said over and over,

804
00:28:34,259 --> 00:28:36,519
I mean, World War 3 will look nothing

805
00:28:36,579 --> 00:28:38,579
like World War 2. It will not be

806
00:28:38,579 --> 00:28:40,899
armies lining up on battlefields shooting at each

807
00:28:40,899 --> 00:28:42,819
other, or that might be one aspect of

808
00:28:42,819 --> 00:28:45,305
it, but only one aspect of it. And,

809
00:28:45,464 --> 00:28:47,384
this is going to be a an a

810
00:28:47,384 --> 00:28:49,144
war the likes of which we've never seen

811
00:28:49,144 --> 00:28:50,984
before and which we can barely comprehend at

812
00:28:50,984 --> 00:28:51,644
this stage.

813
00:28:52,184 --> 00:28:55,085
And so when I see you know,

814
00:28:55,464 --> 00:28:58,345
remember when China was going around dragging anchor,

815
00:28:58,345 --> 00:29:00,490
you know, cutting all those cables to was

816
00:29:00,490 --> 00:29:01,390
it Northern Europe?

817
00:29:01,849 --> 00:29:04,490
The Internet cables. And now it turns out

818
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:06,250
they were being directed by Russia to do

819
00:29:06,250 --> 00:29:08,410
so, at least according to the mainstream narrative

820
00:29:08,410 --> 00:29:10,089
and things like this. Those are the types

821
00:29:10,089 --> 00:29:12,345
of things that to me are the sign

822
00:29:12,345 --> 00:29:14,525
of what I mean, there's no doubt

823
00:29:14,904 --> 00:29:17,065
who the combatants are in World War 3

824
00:29:17,065 --> 00:29:18,904
at this point. I mean, we know that

825
00:29:18,904 --> 00:29:20,825
the the countries that are lined up against

826
00:29:20,825 --> 00:29:22,845
each other and they're rubbing up in various

827
00:29:23,144 --> 00:29:24,445
different ways and permutations.

828
00:29:25,019 --> 00:29:27,019
The only point is when they they start

829
00:29:27,019 --> 00:29:29,680
to openly acknowledge that and call it warfare.

830
00:29:31,099 --> 00:29:32,940
And when they do so, again, there will

831
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:35,340
be many, many powers that will accrue to

832
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:37,945
every power center in the in the world.

833
00:29:37,945 --> 00:29:39,945
Every government will get to claim that they're,

834
00:29:39,945 --> 00:29:41,305
you know, it's more time. We get to

835
00:29:41,305 --> 00:29:42,744
do whatever we want and we're doing it

836
00:29:42,744 --> 00:29:44,505
for your own good. So they will get

837
00:29:44,664 --> 00:29:46,585
gain more power from it. Which is why

838
00:29:46,585 --> 00:29:48,505
to my mind, the most important thing that

839
00:29:48,505 --> 00:29:50,525
we need to be stressing right now before

840
00:29:50,585 --> 00:29:53,085
all of this happens, before it takes place

841
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:54,019
is,

842
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,160
in fact I've been talking about this in

843
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,799
my bi monthly appearance with, Ernest Hancock on

844
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,279
the Declare Your Independence radio show. He has

845
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:02,019
this idea.

846
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,140
You know what?

847
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,539
If we see a mushroom cloud

848
00:30:05,865 --> 00:30:08,585
anywhere, in any context, for any reason, whatever

849
00:30:08,585 --> 00:30:11,065
they say, whatever narrative they give you, dirty,

850
00:30:11,065 --> 00:30:12,525
nuke or whatever it is,

851
00:30:13,224 --> 00:30:14,045
that is

852
00:30:14,424 --> 00:30:18,025
the sign. It's off. Whatever social contract you

853
00:30:18,025 --> 00:30:18,845
thought existed,

854
00:30:19,339 --> 00:30:21,580
gone. Done. We do not comply. We do

855
00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:23,279
not that is 100%.

856
00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:25,580
We turn our other turn the other way

857
00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:27,180
and we do not comply or listen to

858
00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:29,500
anything the government says. Because right now, the

859
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:30,640
calculus is

860
00:30:31,174 --> 00:30:33,275
when there is a huge spectacular

861
00:30:33,815 --> 00:30:35,974
terror event or some horrible thing that happens

862
00:30:35,974 --> 00:30:38,375
at 9:11 or whatever, that's a big shot

863
00:30:38,375 --> 00:30:40,214
in the arm. The police state benefits. They

864
00:30:40,214 --> 00:30:43,194
get more power. They get more intelligence. Military

865
00:30:43,335 --> 00:30:44,075
needs to

866
00:30:44,454 --> 00:30:46,890
amp up etcetera. And we give them all

867
00:30:46,890 --> 00:30:48,730
this power and rally around the flag and

868
00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:50,890
rah rah rah. We need to have the

869
00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:52,109
exact opposite

870
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:55,070
perspective. The second that they say, it's warfare

871
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:56,970
guys, it's on. They're, oh, look at that.

872
00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:58,730
A dirty nuke in New York. Oh my

873
00:30:58,730 --> 00:31:01,365
god. We need world war 3 now. That

874
00:31:01,365 --> 00:31:03,464
is the exact time we need to go

875
00:31:03,605 --> 00:31:05,365
as hard the other way as possible and

876
00:31:05,365 --> 00:31:06,105
say, nope.

877
00:31:06,484 --> 00:31:08,825
Your your whole reason for existence,

878
00:31:09,605 --> 00:31:11,625
government, is to protect us and

879
00:31:11,924 --> 00:31:14,325
secure the social contract and whatever. And you

880
00:31:14,325 --> 00:31:17,440
have failed. And until we start holding them

881
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,679
accountable for their failures instead of giving them

882
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,240
more power and more energy, and yes, please

883
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,159
keep us safe even though you've never managed

884
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,480
to do that. Until we change that calculus,

885
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,240
the calculus will always be on the side

886
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,404
of the people who want war. We have

887
00:31:30,404 --> 00:31:32,644
to change that, though, that dynamic before the

888
00:31:32,644 --> 00:31:33,705
next war happens.

889
00:31:34,164 --> 00:31:35,845
Absolutely. Well said too. I mean, I think

890
00:31:35,845 --> 00:31:37,605
this is what we're all striving for is

891
00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:39,365
to kind of tip that scale because there's

892
00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:40,884
so many I mean, I kinda think that's

893
00:31:40,884 --> 00:31:42,404
where it's going. It's why we're getting such

894
00:31:42,404 --> 00:31:44,184
aggressive, kind of partisan pushback.

895
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:46,230
But, yeah, I I think right now, the

896
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:48,710
Iran aspect is just clearly developing. I mean,

897
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:50,789
I already saw Israel. I mean, they they

898
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:52,710
weren't even I mean, they're still ongoing through

899
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:55,750
Syria, currently bombing Damascus and other military installations,

900
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:58,150
which are objectively crimes because there's nobody fighting

901
00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:00,414
back. But they're already Netanyahu is already putting

902
00:32:00,414 --> 00:32:02,654
out statements, you know, Iran, you're you free

903
00:32:02,654 --> 00:32:05,054
yourselves from the dictator. It's already happening. You

904
00:32:05,054 --> 00:32:06,734
know? And so I I see that building

905
00:32:06,734 --> 00:32:08,575
as we speak. So where do you see

906
00:32:08,575 --> 00:32:09,934
that going? I mean, we've got Vance and

907
00:32:09,934 --> 00:32:11,714
Trump already saying that's, like,

908
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,079
I think Trump already actually said that he's

909
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,880
considering striking Iran to preempt the nuclear discussion

910
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,960
which always bubbles back up even though the

911
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,640
evidence continues to not be there and and

912
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,599
so on. So what do you think the

913
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:23,440
next steps are in regard to Iran from

914
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,299
Israel, Syria, and so on?

915
00:32:26,484 --> 00:32:29,365
Well, from my understanding, Trump is the peace

916
00:32:29,365 --> 00:32:31,525
president. So I think we're in for 4

917
00:32:31,525 --> 00:32:34,105
years of sunshine, rainbows and happiness.

918
00:32:34,404 --> 00:32:37,204
Oh, wait. No. Reality just called and the

919
00:32:37,204 --> 00:32:40,359
person who has praised Netanyahu at every step

920
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,380
along the way helped him with his,

921
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,500
campaign,

922
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,599
his prime ministerial campaign there in Israel. He's

923
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,420
called him a a great leader who actually

924
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,660
moved the US embassy to Jerusalem.

925
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:53,500
Did did all of these things.

926
00:32:54,585 --> 00:32:57,644
Could not have done more to support Israel

927
00:32:58,105 --> 00:32:59,884
and what it is doing in the region.

928
00:33:00,424 --> 00:33:02,424
I wonder if they're gonna if they're gonna

929
00:33:02,424 --> 00:33:04,904
amp things up against Iran and other Israeli

930
00:33:04,904 --> 00:33:06,825
targets in the region over the course of

931
00:33:06,825 --> 00:33:09,325
the Trump presidency. All signs point to yes.

932
00:33:09,809 --> 00:33:11,409
So I am not holding my breath for

933
00:33:11,409 --> 00:33:13,429
the peace president to deliver us

934
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:15,970
from, what's going on over there. And I

935
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:17,809
don't know what that will look like. I

936
00:33:17,809 --> 00:33:20,289
am not gonna make predictions because it could

937
00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:23,009
go a 1000000 different ways, but certainly the

938
00:33:23,009 --> 00:33:23,509
pressure

939
00:33:23,934 --> 00:33:27,055
on Iran is going to ramp up from

940
00:33:27,055 --> 00:33:27,555
here.

941
00:33:27,934 --> 00:33:30,035
And as I say, that might not necessarily

942
00:33:30,335 --> 00:33:33,295
be military confrontation. If it is, I can't

943
00:33:33,295 --> 00:33:36,015
see how that wouldn't be that hot direct

944
00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:39,019
superpower confrontation World War 3. The second ever

945
00:33:39,019 --> 00:33:41,660
episode of The Corbett Report podcast was World

946
00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:44,220
War 3 Starts in Iran. And I I

947
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:46,400
stand by that. If if they went military

948
00:33:46,539 --> 00:33:48,700
guns blazing into Iran, I just don't see

949
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,914
how that wouldn't eventuate into world war. Having

950
00:33:51,914 --> 00:33:53,914
said that, it doesn't have to be. I

951
00:33:53,914 --> 00:33:56,414
mean there's all sorts of subterfuge and undermining

952
00:33:56,475 --> 00:33:58,735
and whatever and oh, look at that spontaneous

953
00:33:58,875 --> 00:34:00,414
peaceful protest in Iran.

954
00:34:00,795 --> 00:34:02,634
Oh, and now they're cracking down on it

955
00:34:02,634 --> 00:34:05,674
and who knows, Syria 2.0. There's many ways

956
00:34:05,674 --> 00:34:06,735
that it could go.

957
00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:09,190
But I'm just I'm unfortunately,

958
00:34:09,650 --> 00:34:11,489
I see very few ways that it could

959
00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:14,690
go peacefully from here. Yeah. I agree. Well,

960
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:16,130
so we got about 10 minutes left, and

961
00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:17,489
I wanna talk about drones a little bit

962
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:19,250
before we we end to kind of overlap

963
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:21,170
that with all we've discussed. But before we

964
00:34:21,170 --> 00:34:23,234
end this part of it, in the context

965
00:34:23,234 --> 00:34:25,154
of just Israel's objective here and this is

966
00:34:25,154 --> 00:34:27,394
such an interesting conversation that really deserves, you

967
00:34:27,394 --> 00:34:28,594
know, a lot a lot of time to

968
00:34:28,594 --> 00:34:30,514
talk about it. But Turkey and Israel and

969
00:34:30,514 --> 00:34:32,114
that weird dynamic that you touched on there,

970
00:34:32,114 --> 00:34:33,635
which I I just don't even think I

971
00:34:33,635 --> 00:34:35,610
fully I don't think anybody truly knows whether,

972
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:37,050
you know, it seems like Turkey is more

973
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:38,410
in line with Israel than not, and it

974
00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:40,410
it seems to contradict other things. But you

975
00:34:40,410 --> 00:34:41,070
have the

976
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:43,930
division of Syria, right, where you've got the

977
00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:46,269
United States with their controlled, you know, oil,

978
00:34:46,329 --> 00:34:48,644
wheat field dynamic, then you've got Turkey that

979
00:34:48,644 --> 00:34:50,005
seems to want some kind of part of

980
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:51,684
the northern area closer to them, and then

981
00:34:51,684 --> 00:34:53,364
Israel has its own little carved out area.

982
00:34:53,364 --> 00:34:55,125
The problem though is that they have a

983
00:34:55,125 --> 00:34:57,684
map that's quite different, the greater Israel dynamic.

984
00:34:57,684 --> 00:34:59,085
Right? They seem to suggest that they want

985
00:34:59,085 --> 00:35:00,885
a lot more than what they're kinda parsing

986
00:35:00,885 --> 00:35:01,625
out for themselves.

987
00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:03,829
So I guess the point in general is,

988
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:05,829
you know, can you outline the greater Israel

989
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:07,430
dynamic and whether you think that's playing a

990
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:09,829
part here? And if so, how does that

991
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:11,530
play out in your mind with the

992
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:14,230
other allies, if you will, wanting part of

993
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:14,730
that?

994
00:35:16,514 --> 00:35:17,014
So

995
00:35:17,474 --> 00:35:19,074
for people who want the context of this

996
00:35:19,074 --> 00:35:21,155
and understanding, as I say, I've mentioned Oded,

997
00:35:21,155 --> 00:35:22,295
Yonon, and Cleanbreak.

998
00:35:22,594 --> 00:35:24,755
People can look at policy planning documents like

999
00:35:24,755 --> 00:35:27,554
that. I know there were, US, military college

1000
00:35:27,554 --> 00:35:29,554
planners and others talking about the new Middle

1001
00:35:29,554 --> 00:35:31,319
East back during the Neocon

1002
00:35:31,619 --> 00:35:33,699
era of the early 2000. So there's all,

1003
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:35,780
there are several different ways that this has

1004
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:38,739
been envisioned and what constitutes the area of

1005
00:35:38,739 --> 00:35:41,079
the greater Israel that they're going for, and

1006
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,059
I'm sure there are different opinions on that.

1007
00:35:43,059 --> 00:35:44,659
But at any rate, they're going for a

1008
00:35:44,659 --> 00:35:45,559
greater Israel.

1009
00:35:45,945 --> 00:35:49,405
And part of that is just actually literally

1010
00:35:49,545 --> 00:35:51,385
expanding the borders of Israel as we are

1011
00:35:51,385 --> 00:35:53,625
starting to see obviously with the Golan Heights

1012
00:35:53,625 --> 00:35:55,244
and what's going on there right now.

1013
00:35:55,704 --> 00:35:57,945
Just saw this before we started talking report.

1014
00:35:57,945 --> 00:36:01,579
Netanyahu orders IDF to occupy Syria's Mount Hermon

1015
00:36:01,579 --> 00:36:02,880
until end of 2025.

1016
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:06,300
Until, you know, some some new deal is

1017
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:07,039
made. Right?

1018
00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:09,420
Well, holding my breath for that to happen.

1019
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:12,559
Anyway, so Israel is literally expanding its borders.

1020
00:36:12,619 --> 00:36:14,460
But it also an important part of that

1021
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:15,519
has always been

1022
00:36:16,414 --> 00:36:17,074
the destabilization

1023
00:36:17,614 --> 00:36:20,494
slash containment of any potential foe in the

1024
00:36:20,494 --> 00:36:22,434
region. And at this point after

1025
00:36:22,735 --> 00:36:26,034
Iraq, obviously, and Israel got its way with

1026
00:36:26,255 --> 00:36:27,315
getting rid of Hussein,

1027
00:36:27,980 --> 00:36:30,859
and Iraq now now having splintered into its

1028
00:36:30,859 --> 00:36:31,359
factions,

1029
00:36:32,219 --> 00:36:35,359
that again were being held under the admittedly

1030
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:38,460
brutally repressive thumb of Saddam Hussein. Again, no

1031
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:41,019
no apologies for Hussein or his government. But

1032
00:36:41,019 --> 00:36:43,019
at any rate, it was another situation of

1033
00:36:43,019 --> 00:36:43,519
these

1034
00:36:44,114 --> 00:36:45,094
vastly different,

1035
00:36:45,795 --> 00:36:48,934
populations that were squeezed together in in this

1036
00:36:49,635 --> 00:36:52,355
powder keg that has now exploded into the

1037
00:36:52,355 --> 00:36:55,474
different Kurdish and and Sunni and Shia factions

1038
00:36:55,474 --> 00:36:58,054
in Iraq and now it's a complete destabilized

1039
00:36:58,980 --> 00:37:01,300
mess. Is it even really a functional country?

1040
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:03,219
Well, to the extent that it is, it's

1041
00:37:03,219 --> 00:37:05,639
certainly no threat to Israel at this point.

1042
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:08,260
And that I think is the vision for

1043
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:10,820
Iran. And at at the very least, breaking

1044
00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:13,000
that Shia crescent has been an incredibly

1045
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,784
important part of that. Breaking the land bridge

1046
00:37:15,784 --> 00:37:18,844
to, Hezbollah in Lebanon has been an incredibly

1047
00:37:19,144 --> 00:37:20,684
important part of destabilizing

1048
00:37:21,144 --> 00:37:21,884
and containing

1049
00:37:22,424 --> 00:37:24,764
any would be opposition to this greater Israel

1050
00:37:25,144 --> 00:37:28,184
idea. So Mhmm. It's happening. It's on. This

1051
00:37:28,184 --> 00:37:29,625
is it. This is the reshaping of the

1052
00:37:29,625 --> 00:37:32,469
Middle East. And, you know, maybe we think

1053
00:37:32,469 --> 00:37:34,469
of these we think of Syria and Iraq

1054
00:37:34,469 --> 00:37:36,389
and Iran as these entities that have just

1055
00:37:36,389 --> 00:37:37,989
always existed. This is the way it is.

1056
00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:40,389
No. These lines were drawn on maps after

1057
00:37:40,389 --> 00:37:42,549
World War 1. You know, there's the Sykes

1058
00:37:42,549 --> 00:37:44,324
Picot and all of this carving up of

1059
00:37:44,324 --> 00:37:46,244
the Middle East that happened and pushing all

1060
00:37:46,244 --> 00:37:46,824
of these

1061
00:37:47,204 --> 00:37:48,505
populations into these

1062
00:37:49,125 --> 00:37:52,744
arbitrary, sometimes borders that didn't always reflect reality.

1063
00:37:53,204 --> 00:37:55,045
And maybe this is reality coming home to

1064
00:37:55,045 --> 00:37:57,204
roost but in the worst possible way it's

1065
00:37:57,204 --> 00:37:58,025
being used.

1066
00:37:58,349 --> 00:38:00,530
All of these powder kegs are being deliberately

1067
00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:02,910
lit and set off so that they can

1068
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:05,869
basically fall apart and fall into sectarian violence

1069
00:38:05,869 --> 00:38:08,030
and people warring over the ashes of countries

1070
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:09,730
that maybe don't even exist.

1071
00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:12,510
Does Syria even exist as a country at

1072
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:13,250
this point?

1073
00:38:13,565 --> 00:38:15,244
Right. I guess we'll find out what what

1074
00:38:15,244 --> 00:38:16,925
happens from here. But to the extent that

1075
00:38:16,925 --> 00:38:19,485
it does, it will be some, again, hammered,

1076
00:38:19,485 --> 00:38:22,465
cobbled together coalition of probably some incredibly

1077
00:38:22,845 --> 00:38:25,644
brutal and repressive regime. And we're gonna see,

1078
00:38:25,644 --> 00:38:26,465
once again,

1079
00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:28,550
certainly who's at the bottom of this and

1080
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:30,230
who's gonna end up paying for it is

1081
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:32,949
the Syrian people. Right. And then, as always,

1082
00:38:32,949 --> 00:38:34,570
even if that's not the design now,

1083
00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:36,710
months down the line, they can then use

1084
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:38,869
that destabilize even as you said before, the

1085
00:38:38,869 --> 00:38:40,869
very elements they funded into reality, they could

1086
00:38:40,869 --> 00:38:41,929
use that to to

1087
00:38:42,474 --> 00:38:45,135
begin the next agenda, to reoccupy whatever else.

1088
00:38:45,275 --> 00:38:47,114
Let me just underline that because that's such

1089
00:38:47,114 --> 00:38:50,175
an important part. All of this, it's completely

1090
00:38:50,474 --> 00:38:51,694
and totally narrative.

1091
00:38:52,155 --> 00:38:52,795
And we

1092
00:38:53,355 --> 00:38:54,655
the the absolute

1093
00:38:55,114 --> 00:38:57,539
clearest example of that that I have I

1094
00:38:57,539 --> 00:39:00,820
could ever even imagine happening has happened in

1095
00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:02,920
Syria over the past decade and a half

1096
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:05,160
where you literally had

1097
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:06,360
CFR,

1098
00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:09,940
fellows writing on the CFR blog saying Al

1099
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:12,260
Qaeda, well we need Al Qaeda in Syria

1100
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:14,994
now. And that when that was being written

1101
00:39:14,994 --> 00:39:17,094
was literally just a decade after 911.

1102
00:39:17,554 --> 00:39:19,954
And to go back to 911 and telling

1103
00:39:19,954 --> 00:39:22,355
people, you know, the Al Qaeda that definitely

1104
00:39:22,355 --> 00:39:24,695
did this all by themselves guys, totally 100%

1105
00:39:24,755 --> 00:39:26,515
them, and they are the existential threat to

1106
00:39:26,515 --> 00:39:28,320
civilization and the reason that we have to

1107
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,719
tear up the world and completely transform our

1108
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,219
lives

1109
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:32,260
and everything

1110
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,660
over this Al Qaeda threat. And then,

1111
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,640
I'm telling someone from that time, you know,

1112
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,160
10 years later, they're gonna be the good

1113
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:38,980
guys in Syria.

1114
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,860
But that just shows it can be flipped

1115
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,059
on a dime and

1116
00:39:43,724 --> 00:39:46,365
absolutely, they could do that literally tomorrow. Hey,

1117
00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:46,865
those,

1118
00:39:47,244 --> 00:39:49,164
guys that we were funding in Syria, turns

1119
00:39:49,164 --> 00:39:51,265
out they're terrorists. Oh my god. And

1120
00:39:52,525 --> 00:39:54,684
they will do that at the exact point

1121
00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:55,505
that it becomes

1122
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,079
politically advantageous for them to do that. And

1123
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:58,579
unfortunately,

1124
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,380
again,

1125
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,059
people who just

1126
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,280
absorb the news, just let it wash over

1127
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,800
them, will just go along with it. Oh,

1128
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,639
okay. Oh, good. Well, I'm glad they're gonna

1129
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:08,260
take care of that terrorist threat now.

1130
00:40:08,594 --> 00:40:09,635
I mean, I've said this so many times

1131
00:40:09,635 --> 00:40:10,994
over the years that, you know, the boogeyman

1132
00:40:10,994 --> 00:40:12,675
of of yesterday is is there is there

1133
00:40:12,755 --> 00:40:14,514
rather the the ally of yesterday is the

1134
00:40:14,514 --> 00:40:16,514
boogeyman of today. It's, you know, Osama Osama

1135
00:40:16,514 --> 00:40:18,135
bin Laden or or Saddam

1136
00:40:18,434 --> 00:40:20,355
Saddam Hussein that, you know, they're allies before

1137
00:40:20,355 --> 00:40:22,030
they become, you know, I or even the

1138
00:40:22,030 --> 00:40:23,630
Kurds. Who knows when that'll happen tomorrow? You

1139
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:26,030
know, just cl clearly, that's the cycle. But,

1140
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:27,789
before we end with a couple thoughts on

1141
00:40:27,789 --> 00:40:29,710
the drones, I think it's interesting about the

1142
00:40:29,710 --> 00:40:31,549
World War 3 point that we mentioned. The

1143
00:40:31,549 --> 00:40:33,549
idea being in my mind that it's only

1144
00:40:33,549 --> 00:40:35,775
because it's not advantageous yet. Right? That we've

1145
00:40:35,775 --> 00:40:37,454
met that metric many times. It's just when

1146
00:40:37,454 --> 00:40:39,135
they can say now what's happening like you

1147
00:40:39,135 --> 00:40:40,734
just said. Right? And that's what she was

1148
00:40:40,734 --> 00:40:42,174
gonna drop at some point. And you've I

1149
00:40:42,174 --> 00:40:43,694
brought up an interesting thought to me that

1150
00:40:43,694 --> 00:40:45,135
you you kinda touched on there that I've

1151
00:40:45,135 --> 00:40:47,054
thought of before about Syria, but, like, with

1152
00:40:47,054 --> 00:40:49,135
Libya, for example. You know, Libya doesn't exist

1153
00:40:49,135 --> 00:40:50,920
right now despite it still being Libya on

1154
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,680
a map, still having a name, you know,

1155
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,039
and so Syria is the same way. And

1156
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:55,320
so at at what point do they say,

1157
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,239
yeah, that that's just a a balkanized area

1158
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920
with the people we control in 7 different

1159
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,420
locations.

1160
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,320
When they decide to let that be the

1161
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,079
case, is when it will be useful for

1162
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:04,199
them. You know? And that's what I think

1163
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:05,694
is interesting is the maps will be drawn

1164
00:41:05,694 --> 00:41:07,054
the way they want them to as long

1165
00:41:07,054 --> 00:41:08,174
as they want them to. I just find

1166
00:41:08,174 --> 00:41:10,094
that to be interesting to point out. So

1167
00:41:10,094 --> 00:41:11,855
in going comments on that if you'd like,

1168
00:41:11,855 --> 00:41:13,934
but last few minutes, your thoughts on the

1169
00:41:13,934 --> 00:41:15,775
overlap to this because or to the to

1170
00:41:15,775 --> 00:41:18,034
the drone conversation. Because to me,

1171
00:41:18,469 --> 00:41:20,329
it just stands out as a very manipulated

1172
00:41:20,389 --> 00:41:23,190
and obvious psychological operation despite possibly being very

1173
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:25,349
real obvious examples of drones. So what are

1174
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:26,789
your thought on how this plays into what

1175
00:41:26,789 --> 00:41:28,730
we're talking about? We've already seen them aim

1176
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:31,574
numerous agendas through this at Iran, like, through

1177
00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:33,994
Alex Jones and others. Then suddenly tomorrow, it's

1178
00:41:34,134 --> 00:41:37,175
a a sniffing drones for for nuclear aspects.

1179
00:41:37,175 --> 00:41:38,454
They say for Russia. You know? So give

1180
00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:39,815
me your thoughts on how this plays out

1181
00:41:39,815 --> 00:41:41,914
and, you know, why you think it's going.

1182
00:41:42,054 --> 00:41:44,375
Well, that's why I think it's incredibly important

1183
00:41:44,375 --> 00:41:46,769
that we have that idea, you know, nuclear

1184
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:48,829
war comply no more or something along those

1185
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:50,989
lines as seeded into the public consciousness right

1186
00:41:50,989 --> 00:41:53,230
now because it is certainly a false flag

1187
00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:55,789
card that is on the table. Isn't it?

1188
00:41:55,789 --> 00:41:57,469
That they could, oh my god. It turns

1189
00:41:57,469 --> 00:42:00,474
out they're sniffing for nukes or whatever and

1190
00:42:00,855 --> 00:42:02,715
that's why you've seen all these drones.

1191
00:42:03,414 --> 00:42:06,295
But, yeah, on the broader concept of drones

1192
00:42:06,295 --> 00:42:07,974
and their use in warfare, I'll just point

1193
00:42:07,974 --> 00:42:09,914
out that I recently very recently,

1194
00:42:10,295 --> 00:42:13,094
before this whole drone hysteria took off in

1195
00:42:13,094 --> 00:42:14,670
the way it did, I wrote an article

1196
00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:15,170
called,

1197
00:42:15,549 --> 00:42:17,329
The Drone Wars, You Are Not Prepared,

1198
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:19,949
talking about the ways that drones will be

1199
00:42:19,949 --> 00:42:22,909
used in warfare in the coming future. There's

1200
00:42:22,909 --> 00:42:24,510
no doubt in my mind that that is

1201
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:26,429
going to be a significant part of what

1202
00:42:26,429 --> 00:42:27,809
we think of as warfare

1203
00:42:28,269 --> 00:42:30,764
in this next iteration. As I say, soldiers

1204
00:42:30,764 --> 00:42:32,844
lining up on battlefields shooting at each other

1205
00:42:32,844 --> 00:42:33,505
with guns.

1206
00:42:33,804 --> 00:42:36,204
No. No. I'm looking at drone swarms and

1207
00:42:36,204 --> 00:42:39,005
other crazy technology like this and that is

1208
00:42:39,005 --> 00:42:41,164
being seeded into the public consciousness with this

1209
00:42:41,164 --> 00:42:42,924
as well. And of course, you know, if

1210
00:42:42,924 --> 00:42:44,545
it turns out it's those dastardly

1211
00:42:45,309 --> 00:42:47,650
whatever, Chinese, North Korean, Russian,

1212
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:48,849
Syrian,

1213
00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:52,030
whatever. Whatever it is. Whatever boogeyman they need.

1214
00:42:52,030 --> 00:42:54,109
Oh my god. They're invading us with their

1215
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:54,609
drones.

1216
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:57,150
They will they will pull that card out

1217
00:42:57,150 --> 00:42:58,589
of the out of the deck as well.

1218
00:42:58,589 --> 00:43:00,465
So I think people need to, At any

1219
00:43:00,465 --> 00:43:03,425
rate, I know your listeners, your regular listeners

1220
00:43:03,425 --> 00:43:05,285
are well informed on this sort of stuff,

1221
00:43:05,425 --> 00:43:08,224
but unfortunately, it's sort of the average person

1222
00:43:08,224 --> 00:43:10,704
on the street who spends 2 seconds thinking

1223
00:43:10,704 --> 00:43:12,785
about any of this and just accepts whatever

1224
00:43:12,785 --> 00:43:15,589
the the establishment media is telling them. That's

1225
00:43:15,809 --> 00:43:19,010
where this battlefield is really located. It is

1226
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:20,929
located in the space between your ears and

1227
00:43:20,929 --> 00:43:22,789
as long as you control that space,

1228
00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:24,710
then you are ultimately

1229
00:43:25,505 --> 00:43:26,644
winning this war.

1230
00:43:26,945 --> 00:43:29,025
And that's why they are spending so much

1231
00:43:29,025 --> 00:43:31,905
time and so much effort trying to occupy

1232
00:43:31,905 --> 00:43:32,644
that space.

1233
00:43:33,184 --> 00:43:34,785
I think we win to the extent that

1234
00:43:34,785 --> 00:43:36,485
we can maintain our cognitive,

1235
00:43:37,344 --> 00:43:38,485
territory and integrity.

1236
00:43:39,579 --> 00:43:42,139
Yes. Well well said, James. Always a pleasure,

1237
00:43:42,139 --> 00:43:43,339
my friend. And I'm gonna end with the

1238
00:43:43,339 --> 00:43:45,179
clip from Palantir that was played at the

1239
00:43:45,179 --> 00:43:46,859
Army Navy game that was talking about the

1240
00:43:46,859 --> 00:43:49,260
future of drones. No. Nothing to see, guys.

1241
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:50,699
No connection there. Just all up in the

1242
00:43:50,699 --> 00:43:52,914
air. So thank you as always, James. I

1243
00:43:52,914 --> 00:43:55,234
always appreciate your insight. And as always, everybody

1244
00:43:55,234 --> 00:43:57,875
question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay

1245
00:43:57,875 --> 00:43:58,375
vigilant.