1 00:00:35,989 --> 00:00:37,989 Welcome to the Last American Bag A Bond. 2 00:00:37,989 --> 00:00:40,604 It is Friday, December 13th. On December 1st, 3 00:00:40,765 --> 00:00:42,604 Vanessa Bieli and I had a conversation about 4 00:00:42,604 --> 00:00:43,984 what was going on in Syria. 5 00:00:44,524 --> 00:00:45,585 It's been an ongoing 6 00:00:46,204 --> 00:00:46,704 emotional 7 00:00:48,364 --> 00:00:49,645 roller coaster, if you will. It is a 8 00:00:49,645 --> 00:00:51,725 terrible analogy. We were discussing this before we 9 00:00:51,725 --> 00:00:52,225 started. 10 00:00:52,524 --> 00:00:53,424 And the the 11 00:00:54,909 --> 00:00:57,149 unbelievable reality that we're in around not just 12 00:00:57,149 --> 00:00:58,289 Syria, but 13 00:00:58,829 --> 00:01:01,390 the genocide taking place in Gaza, the genocide 14 00:01:01,390 --> 00:01:03,629 that has evolved into Lebanon and now appears 15 00:01:03,629 --> 00:01:05,649 to be shifting into Syria just as well. 16 00:01:06,109 --> 00:01:07,869 So I wanna start with discussion her and 17 00:01:07,869 --> 00:01:09,555 I had around this on the first and 18 00:01:09,555 --> 00:01:11,234 how much has shifted around this and kinda 19 00:01:11,234 --> 00:01:13,314 follow-up around all the different changes that we 20 00:01:13,314 --> 00:01:15,894 saw, the conversations we had around potential deals. 21 00:01:16,034 --> 00:01:17,155 But I wanted to start with her in 22 00:01:17,155 --> 00:01:19,234 particular around the social media aspect of this. 23 00:01:19,234 --> 00:01:20,515 And, you know, this is something that I'm 24 00:01:20,515 --> 00:01:21,015 really 25 00:01:22,019 --> 00:01:23,939 more in the last so many 6 months 26 00:01:23,939 --> 00:01:25,619 than ever, but have been talking about a 27 00:01:25,619 --> 00:01:27,459 long time, how important it is that we 28 00:01:27,459 --> 00:01:30,259 highlight not just the independent media, mainstream alternative 29 00:01:30,259 --> 00:01:31,399 media, but just misinformation, 30 00:01:31,939 --> 00:01:34,325 people that are out there in deliberately trying 31 00:01:34,325 --> 00:01:36,424 to lead you in very particular partisan 32 00:01:36,965 --> 00:01:39,765 directions to manipulate for much larger agendas. And 33 00:01:39,765 --> 00:01:41,125 to start how this has played out to 34 00:01:41,125 --> 00:01:43,204 begin with and how much this has had 35 00:01:43,204 --> 00:01:45,204 an effect on people's lives on the ground 36 00:01:45,204 --> 00:01:46,965 in Syria, the average people that tend to 37 00:01:46,965 --> 00:01:49,064 take the brunt of all these government agendas. 38 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:51,099 So I invited Vanessa back on to discuss 39 00:01:51,099 --> 00:01:52,459 this and what we've seen so far and 40 00:01:52,459 --> 00:01:54,140 and what we will see going forward. So, 41 00:01:54,140 --> 00:01:54,640 Vanessa, 42 00:01:55,099 --> 00:01:56,459 thank you for joining me yet again. How 43 00:01:56,459 --> 00:01:58,480 are you? Yeah. I'm okay. 44 00:01:59,020 --> 00:02:01,260 Thanks. Thanks for having me on. Yeah. It's 45 00:02:01,260 --> 00:02:02,700 a diff it's a you know, one of 46 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:04,364 those kind of it's just one of those 47 00:02:04,364 --> 00:02:05,644 times where and again, I'm just kind of 48 00:02:05,644 --> 00:02:07,564 expressing that we were having a somber conversation 49 00:02:07,564 --> 00:02:09,245 before we got started. That, I mean, I 50 00:02:09,324 --> 00:02:11,884 just I'm personally expressing how frustrating it is 51 00:02:11,884 --> 00:02:13,584 that we can be in this position where 52 00:02:13,884 --> 00:02:16,676 there's so much awareness around this topic, Around 53 00:02:16,783 --> 00:02:18,969 and, again, just Gaza in particular, but now 54 00:02:18,969 --> 00:02:20,969 in even in the same conversation around Syria, 55 00:02:20,969 --> 00:02:23,389 what Hyatt Terrell Shawam is, what the relationship 56 00:02:23,530 --> 00:02:25,290 around the United States and Israel and their 57 00:02:25,290 --> 00:02:27,610 funding of these proxy elements that are now 58 00:02:27,610 --> 00:02:30,169 in charge of Syria, and asking the question 59 00:02:30,169 --> 00:02:32,625 of what will ultimately stop this? You know, 60 00:02:32,625 --> 00:02:34,864 what is the bloodline where people the the 61 00:02:34,864 --> 00:02:36,245 awareness around this suddenly 62 00:02:36,625 --> 00:02:38,864 cascades into actual action? And I think we're 63 00:02:38,864 --> 00:02:40,704 recognizing that that's just not how this really 64 00:02:40,704 --> 00:02:41,204 works. 65 00:02:41,504 --> 00:02:43,584 So let's start with the social media part 66 00:02:43,584 --> 00:02:45,185 of this because I I think you agree 67 00:02:45,185 --> 00:02:46,084 that the the 68 00:02:47,699 --> 00:02:49,060 in for the I mean, I I almost 69 00:02:49,219 --> 00:02:51,060 I I I hesitate using the word misinformation 70 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:52,919 because I know there's a a war against, 71 00:02:52,979 --> 00:02:55,379 you know, people calling us misinformation, but there 72 00:02:55,379 --> 00:02:57,860 there is false information out there. There's falsehoods. 73 00:02:57,860 --> 00:02:59,780 There's truth. And how much of a an 74 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:02,454 aspect that plays in not just the propaganda 75 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:05,474 war, but the real people's lives on the 76 00:03:05,474 --> 00:03:07,314 ground that suffered because of that. So let's 77 00:03:07,314 --> 00:03:08,834 start there and what you saw and and 78 00:03:08,834 --> 00:03:10,854 and how that's still affecting what's going on. 79 00:03:11,954 --> 00:03:13,715 Yeah. I mean, you know, we we talked 80 00:03:13,715 --> 00:03:15,954 about the effect of social media. As you 81 00:03:15,954 --> 00:03:17,629 said, that was early December, 82 00:03:19,289 --> 00:03:21,389 and how social media was affecting, 83 00:03:22,729 --> 00:03:23,229 the 84 00:03:23,530 --> 00:03:26,409 people on the ground of whatever the main 85 00:03:26,409 --> 00:03:28,814 topic is. Right? Whether it's 86 00:03:29,694 --> 00:03:30,675 in China, Russia, 87 00:03:31,375 --> 00:03:32,514 Syria, Gaza, 88 00:03:32,814 --> 00:03:33,955 whatever, or Lebanon. 89 00:03:34,974 --> 00:03:37,534 But I think in Syria, it has played 90 00:03:37,534 --> 00:03:38,194 a particularly, 91 00:03:39,135 --> 00:03:42,594 insidious role because right from the beginning of 92 00:03:43,669 --> 00:03:46,490 the attack on Aleppo City in the north, 93 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:48,330 social media 94 00:03:48,790 --> 00:03:49,290 was 95 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:50,250 really 96 00:03:50,950 --> 00:03:53,290 whipping up terror and fear 97 00:03:53,590 --> 00:03:54,969 and the sense of 98 00:03:55,510 --> 00:03:56,650 everything collapsing 99 00:03:56,950 --> 00:03:57,849 almost immediately. 100 00:03:58,474 --> 00:03:59,455 And that demoralization 101 00:04:00,155 --> 00:04:00,655 campaign, 102 00:04:02,235 --> 00:04:04,574 in my opinion, was deliberate from 103 00:04:05,115 --> 00:04:05,615 influencers, 104 00:04:06,074 --> 00:04:08,655 people that have kind of meteorically 105 00:04:09,754 --> 00:04:11,775 risen to fame on social media. 106 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:15,030 We have to remember that, you know, every, 107 00:04:16,930 --> 00:04:19,649 area where we become successful in other words, 108 00:04:19,649 --> 00:04:22,069 we become successful in disseminating 109 00:04:22,529 --> 00:04:23,029 information, 110 00:04:23,410 --> 00:04:25,483 which is enabling people to understand the intricacy 111 00:04:25,483 --> 00:04:25,680 of the world that they live in and 112 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,480 at least get some 113 00:04:40,625 --> 00:04:41,125 very 114 00:04:42,110 --> 00:04:44,050 As soon as that becomes successful, 115 00:04:45,229 --> 00:04:47,389 then it's infiltrated. And the more successful it 116 00:04:47,389 --> 00:04:49,409 is, the more infiltrated it is. 117 00:04:50,349 --> 00:04:53,229 And for me, it was never clearer than 118 00:04:53,229 --> 00:04:55,574 it has been over the last couple of 119 00:04:55,574 --> 00:04:58,375 weeks in Syria, where social media has literally 120 00:04:58,375 --> 00:05:01,014 been weaponized against the Syrian people in order 121 00:05:01,014 --> 00:05:01,995 to create this 122 00:05:02,615 --> 00:05:04,954 sense of loss, this sense of 123 00:05:06,055 --> 00:05:07,194 fear and apprehension, 124 00:05:07,574 --> 00:05:08,875 anxiety, panic. 125 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,540 It was 126 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:14,319 remorseless. And I think, you know, even if 127 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:16,419 people are unwittingly doing this, 128 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,439 okay, let's say there are some people who 129 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:22,079 are unwittingly getting carried away with the wave 130 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:24,555 of information that they think is correct or 131 00:05:24,555 --> 00:05:25,774 they think is factual. 132 00:05:26,235 --> 00:05:28,014 And perhaps they even feel, 133 00:05:28,714 --> 00:05:30,475 oh my god. You know, this is happening. 134 00:05:30,475 --> 00:05:32,475 I need to tell everyone because it's so 135 00:05:32,475 --> 00:05:33,615 awful and so on. 136 00:05:33,995 --> 00:05:34,735 But if 137 00:05:35,194 --> 00:05:36,894 we're not checking that information, 138 00:05:37,194 --> 00:05:38,175 then we're responsible 139 00:05:38,634 --> 00:05:39,615 for increasing 140 00:05:41,089 --> 00:05:42,930 the panic and and the terror that the 141 00:05:42,930 --> 00:05:45,170 people in that country that is currently being 142 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:47,170 targeted. And, of course, we know, you know, 143 00:05:47,170 --> 00:05:48,770 it's going to move on through Iraq and 144 00:05:48,770 --> 00:05:50,129 so on and so forth. So we're going 145 00:05:50,129 --> 00:05:52,149 to be back in the same situation. And 146 00:05:52,705 --> 00:05:54,705 if we don't learn how to manage it 147 00:05:54,705 --> 00:05:55,845 from our own perspective, 148 00:05:57,185 --> 00:05:59,345 then that's not fair on the people that 149 00:05:59,345 --> 00:06:01,444 are facing the next wave of 150 00:06:01,745 --> 00:06:04,004 violence and proxy war and intervention 151 00:06:04,305 --> 00:06:05,045 and and 152 00:06:05,425 --> 00:06:08,100 whatever else they've got up their sleeves to 153 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:08,759 to prosecute 154 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:11,879 people that have become for them 155 00:06:12,259 --> 00:06:12,759 irrelevant 156 00:06:13,300 --> 00:06:14,120 and dispensable. 157 00:06:15,939 --> 00:06:17,879 Yeah. I I definitely think that the weaponization 158 00:06:18,019 --> 00:06:19,939 of social media is is a very, very 159 00:06:19,939 --> 00:06:21,795 important conversation to have in all of this. 160 00:06:21,875 --> 00:06:22,995 Now I wanna state, as I'm sure you 161 00:06:22,995 --> 00:06:25,074 would agree, that nobody here is ask is 162 00:06:25,074 --> 00:06:26,915 calling for anyone to be censored. My point 163 00:06:26,915 --> 00:06:28,435 is that everyone out there has a right 164 00:06:28,435 --> 00:06:30,835 to be wrong, to lie. That's that's under 165 00:06:30,835 --> 00:06:32,754 free speech. But what we're talking about is 166 00:06:32,754 --> 00:06:34,675 the is the responsibility of it. Right? The 167 00:06:34,754 --> 00:06:37,240 that you out there sharing something. I mean, 168 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,680 obviously, there are people out there that do 169 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,680 so for the very purpose of lying to 170 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,360 people and that is their right. But most 171 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,839 people are highlighting is will, you know, get 172 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,120 caught up in all of it. And that's 173 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,800 how this works. And and thinking you're doing 174 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,319 the right thing and her the per what 175 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:51,475 she's pointing out is that it's your your 176 00:06:51,475 --> 00:06:53,235 responsibility to make sure that you're checking it 177 00:06:53,235 --> 00:06:55,154 for yourself and not just playing into the 178 00:06:55,154 --> 00:06:56,215 whole Twitter files 179 00:06:56,835 --> 00:06:58,235 play of it all, where you're just kind 180 00:06:58,235 --> 00:07:00,035 of getting caught up in the momentum of 181 00:07:00,035 --> 00:07:01,634 what they're pointing to and and so on. 182 00:07:01,634 --> 00:07:03,235 And so this brings up a really interesting 183 00:07:03,235 --> 00:07:05,229 point to start with, which is that we've 184 00:07:05,229 --> 00:07:07,490 seen this played for a long time from 185 00:07:07,629 --> 00:07:09,310 both sides of this, where for a while, 186 00:07:09,310 --> 00:07:11,550 you had the state department, the US government 187 00:07:11,550 --> 00:07:13,709 arguing that that was being done over there, 188 00:07:13,709 --> 00:07:15,870 which are we can now clearly see they 189 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:18,129 were responsible for, but saying, you know, Facebook 190 00:07:18,269 --> 00:07:20,764 was used to create this regime or this, 191 00:07:20,764 --> 00:07:21,745 you know, revolution 192 00:07:22,125 --> 00:07:24,205 in foreign countries. Right? They were really using 193 00:07:24,205 --> 00:07:25,805 that then it got flipped over to where 194 00:07:25,805 --> 00:07:27,645 it became, uh-oh, we have to start censoring 195 00:07:27,645 --> 00:07:29,645 it here because it's being done to you. 196 00:07:29,645 --> 00:07:31,449 Now whether that was actually the case because 197 00:07:31,529 --> 00:07:32,970 and they're the ones that kicked that can 198 00:07:32,970 --> 00:07:34,649 down the road or not, it it's it's 199 00:07:34,649 --> 00:07:36,670 interesting to see how their own actions can 200 00:07:36,730 --> 00:07:38,569 be used against you. And so, you know, 201 00:07:38,569 --> 00:07:40,490 in this context of it all, we can 202 00:07:40,490 --> 00:07:42,170 see that there it's it's happening both ways. 203 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:43,689 That it is very clearly being used to 204 00:07:43,689 --> 00:07:46,524 manipulate people in Syria. And even argue and 205 00:07:46,524 --> 00:07:48,444 you can touch on this that the honest 206 00:07:48,444 --> 00:07:50,685 people in Syria who then get convinced that 207 00:07:50,685 --> 00:07:52,785 they're fighting for the right thing because of 208 00:07:53,004 --> 00:07:55,884 state department manipulation on these social media platforms, 209 00:07:55,884 --> 00:07:58,285 but at the same time saying through Elon 210 00:07:58,285 --> 00:07:59,884 Musk and everything else that they need to 211 00:07:59,884 --> 00:08:02,259 restrict certain things because you're at risk because 212 00:08:02,259 --> 00:08:04,439 of ISIS. Or as Trump said in 2015, 213 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:05,860 I think we need to work with Gates 214 00:08:05,860 --> 00:08:07,779 to shut down the Internet because ISIS is 215 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:09,139 is influencing you. You know? So I just 216 00:08:09,139 --> 00:08:10,740 think that's an interesting overlap to it all, 217 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:12,500 and I think it's all by design. So 218 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:14,040 you need your thoughts on that? 219 00:08:14,704 --> 00:08:17,204 Yeah. No. Absolutely. I think it's by design. 220 00:08:17,904 --> 00:08:19,125 And, you know, during, 221 00:08:21,024 --> 00:08:21,685 the pandemic, 222 00:08:22,144 --> 00:08:22,884 we had, 223 00:08:23,985 --> 00:08:24,485 77th 224 00:08:24,785 --> 00:08:27,904 Brigade released to to run and push certain 225 00:08:27,904 --> 00:08:30,404 narratives to induce fear, to induce 226 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,779 anxiety again 227 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,139 about the whole situation, about the vaccine, 228 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:37,500 about 229 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,340 the virus itself. 230 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:40,940 You know, this kind 231 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,179 of behavioral 232 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,894 insights, of course, I think Britain's probably got 233 00:08:45,894 --> 00:08:46,514 to be 234 00:08:46,894 --> 00:08:49,235 number 1 in in the engineering 235 00:08:49,774 --> 00:08:50,274 of 236 00:08:51,294 --> 00:08:52,355 mind manipulation. 237 00:08:53,054 --> 00:08:55,054 But, of course, the US has also studied 238 00:08:55,054 --> 00:08:56,834 it for years. You know? 239 00:08:59,290 --> 00:09:00,750 And so I think 240 00:09:01,370 --> 00:09:03,529 the more we the further we go down 241 00:09:03,529 --> 00:09:06,330 the path of wherever we are heading, and 242 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:08,190 as you said before we came on, 243 00:09:08,970 --> 00:09:11,305 the future isn't looking that bright, to be 244 00:09:11,305 --> 00:09:14,425 honest. You know? The the fall of Syria 245 00:09:14,425 --> 00:09:15,965 is is a major blow 246 00:09:17,384 --> 00:09:19,705 internationally as far as I'm concerned. It's not 247 00:09:19,705 --> 00:09:22,524 only for the resistance access in Palestine, Lebanon, 248 00:09:23,305 --> 00:09:24,285 Iraq, Iran, 249 00:09:24,665 --> 00:09:25,165 Yemen, 250 00:09:25,670 --> 00:09:27,450 and so on. But I think globally, 251 00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:28,570 it it's 252 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:31,930 because what has it done? It's shown 253 00:09:32,629 --> 00:09:34,649 how powerful the machine is. 254 00:09:35,830 --> 00:09:38,970 Right? How the machine can basically just 255 00:09:39,875 --> 00:09:40,375 consume 256 00:09:40,835 --> 00:09:43,075 whatever stands in its way if it really 257 00:09:43,075 --> 00:09:43,894 wants to. 258 00:09:45,235 --> 00:09:47,315 Right? Right. Because this was so fast. I 259 00:09:47,315 --> 00:09:49,154 mean, I I can't remember. I think we 260 00:09:49,154 --> 00:09:50,855 were talking about the fact that 261 00:09:51,940 --> 00:09:53,480 once the ceasefire came 262 00:09:53,940 --> 00:09:54,440 into 263 00:09:55,540 --> 00:09:58,500 into place between Lebanon and Israel, it was 264 00:09:58,500 --> 00:09:59,000 obvious 265 00:10:00,180 --> 00:10:02,820 that the only reason Netanyahu had accepted the 266 00:10:02,820 --> 00:10:05,379 ceasefire was because yeah. Okay. That's fine. That 267 00:10:05,379 --> 00:10:07,554 bit's done. Now we need to pivot to 268 00:10:07,554 --> 00:10:08,054 Syria. 269 00:10:09,235 --> 00:10:09,735 And 270 00:10:10,595 --> 00:10:11,575 nobody expected 271 00:10:12,915 --> 00:10:15,075 what happened to happen. I think all of 272 00:10:15,075 --> 00:10:18,595 us were bracing for Israeli bombing or, for 273 00:10:18,595 --> 00:10:19,735 some kind of Israeli 274 00:10:20,675 --> 00:10:21,175 escalation 275 00:10:21,959 --> 00:10:22,779 towards Syria. 276 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:25,659 And it was known for 277 00:10:26,199 --> 00:10:28,039 months in advance that there was going to 278 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:30,199 be an attack from the northwest, but nobody 279 00:10:30,199 --> 00:10:32,139 expected it to be on this scale. 280 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,384 Right. You know? I think, Kavorka Masian pretty 281 00:10:35,465 --> 00:10:37,225 pretty clearly predicted that, like, a few a 282 00:10:37,225 --> 00:10:38,665 lot of people did. They saw this coming 283 00:10:38,665 --> 00:10:40,264 because it seemed pretty obvious. A lot of 284 00:10:40,264 --> 00:10:42,225 us did, to be fair. I mean, it 285 00:10:42,225 --> 00:10:44,365 it was obvious, to be honest. And 286 00:10:45,065 --> 00:10:46,924 many of us had been talking about, 287 00:10:47,225 --> 00:10:47,884 the precariousness 288 00:10:48,424 --> 00:10:50,684 of of Syria's position for 289 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:54,559 months, if not years. Because of the, 290 00:10:54,959 --> 00:10:58,320 occupation by hostile states by proxy in the 291 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,500 North, in the Northwest, in the Southeast, 292 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,500 in the Northeast. 293 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,904 You know, at any point, all of these 294 00:11:05,904 --> 00:11:08,304 factions could be triggered. And that's basically what 295 00:11:08,304 --> 00:11:09,845 happened. But I don't think 296 00:11:11,264 --> 00:11:14,084 I'm not quite sure why from some perspectives. 297 00:11:14,704 --> 00:11:16,784 I don't think people realize the extent to 298 00:11:16,784 --> 00:11:17,605 which those 299 00:11:18,625 --> 00:11:19,125 contained 300 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:24,370 elements had grown in strength and and had 301 00:11:24,370 --> 00:11:25,429 been professionally 302 00:11:25,730 --> 00:11:26,129 trained, had been, 303 00:11:28,450 --> 00:11:31,250 you know, their their weapon capability had been 304 00:11:31,250 --> 00:11:32,309 increased considerably 305 00:11:32,769 --> 00:11:34,230 most recently by Ukraine 306 00:11:35,595 --> 00:11:36,815 and northwest Syria. 307 00:11:37,274 --> 00:11:39,355 And so the scale of the attack was 308 00:11:39,355 --> 00:11:39,855 perhaps 309 00:11:40,875 --> 00:11:43,375 far greater than was expected. 310 00:11:43,835 --> 00:11:45,434 But, I mean, we'll come on to that 311 00:11:45,434 --> 00:11:47,995 because there are other elements also involved, I 312 00:11:47,995 --> 00:11:48,495 think. 313 00:11:48,830 --> 00:11:50,830 Yeah. Most definitely. I wanna touch on the 314 00:11:50,830 --> 00:11:53,309 idea of, you know, the different elements of 315 00:11:53,309 --> 00:11:54,909 why that might have happened so quickly or 316 00:11:54,909 --> 00:11:56,429 why force can pull it back in regard 317 00:11:56,429 --> 00:11:58,590 to the deal and possible conversations there. Before 318 00:11:58,590 --> 00:11:59,570 we get to that though, 319 00:12:00,110 --> 00:12:01,710 you you mentioned a few things I wanna 320 00:12:01,710 --> 00:12:03,409 touch on. 1st, just the global repercussions. 321 00:12:04,115 --> 00:12:05,714 In a general broad sense, can you just 322 00:12:05,714 --> 00:12:07,634 touch on a few examples of like, what 323 00:12:07,634 --> 00:12:09,574 what in your mind are the global repercussions 324 00:12:09,714 --> 00:12:11,794 of this shift in control and power from 325 00:12:11,794 --> 00:12:14,434 Syria to from Assad to whatever is happening 326 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:14,934 now? 327 00:12:16,129 --> 00:12:17,509 Well, I think, first of all, 328 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:21,410 one of the main agendas, particularly for Israel, 329 00:12:21,410 --> 00:12:22,709 was to destroy 330 00:12:23,089 --> 00:12:23,750 the central 331 00:12:25,409 --> 00:12:27,970 link in the chain and the resistance chain. 332 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:30,070 So the major part of the land bridge 333 00:12:30,394 --> 00:12:32,794 coming from Iran through Iraq, it's Syria into 334 00:12:32,794 --> 00:12:34,174 Lebanon and into Palestine, 335 00:12:35,195 --> 00:12:39,215 to also destroy Syrian capability of 1, defending 336 00:12:39,274 --> 00:12:39,774 itself, 337 00:12:40,235 --> 00:12:41,375 and 2, producing 338 00:12:41,835 --> 00:12:44,095 the weapons that were being used by Hezbollah. 339 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:46,820 So destroy the supply lines, 340 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,940 prevent any resupply to Hezbollah, and destroy the 341 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,040 capability of Syria to manufacture weapons that were 342 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,220 then going to be supplied to the resistance 343 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:57,779 factions. 344 00:12:58,415 --> 00:13:00,095 And at the same time, of course, what 345 00:13:00,095 --> 00:13:00,754 we've seen 346 00:13:01,295 --> 00:13:02,355 is Israel 347 00:13:03,375 --> 00:13:03,875 destroying 348 00:13:05,215 --> 00:13:06,355 pretty much 80% 349 00:13:07,295 --> 00:13:10,379 of Syria's military capability, whether defensive or offensive, 350 00:13:10,379 --> 00:13:14,660 of Syria's military capability, whether defensive or offensive. 351 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:16,160 So air defense, 352 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:18,559 air bases, 353 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:20,240 naval bases, 354 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:22,000 oil tankers, 355 00:13:23,634 --> 00:13:24,535 all their 356 00:13:24,995 --> 00:13:25,495 essential 357 00:13:26,115 --> 00:13:27,654 infrastructure to be 358 00:13:28,674 --> 00:13:30,595 a military force to be reckoned with. And 359 00:13:30,595 --> 00:13:34,054 of course, who does that benefit benefits Israel? 360 00:13:34,434 --> 00:13:35,894 And if you look at then 361 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:39,529 the land grab, so you have Turkey in 362 00:13:39,529 --> 00:13:42,269 the north by its Free Syrian Army Muslim 363 00:13:42,490 --> 00:13:42,990 Brotherhood, 364 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:45,870 now known as the Syrian National Army, 365 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:49,784 have taken the northern sectors and are now 366 00:13:50,024 --> 00:13:50,524 battling, 367 00:13:51,225 --> 00:13:53,565 the Kurds for control in the northeast. 368 00:13:54,584 --> 00:13:55,084 HTS, 369 00:13:55,464 --> 00:13:56,444 which is 370 00:13:56,745 --> 00:13:59,944 backed by Israel, the US, the whole kind 371 00:13:59,944 --> 00:14:01,404 of regime change alliance, 372 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:03,404 have taken 373 00:14:04,289 --> 00:14:05,750 sort of from the north 374 00:14:06,289 --> 00:14:06,789 down 375 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:10,769 to Damascus. So that whole central area and 376 00:14:10,769 --> 00:14:11,669 have included, 377 00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:16,370 the the areas of Latakia and Tautus on 378 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:17,990 the coast, which were traditionally, 379 00:14:19,065 --> 00:14:21,565 of course, with the government, but also Alawite 380 00:14:21,625 --> 00:14:22,924 and other minority 381 00:14:24,504 --> 00:14:25,965 sects. And then Israel, 382 00:14:26,825 --> 00:14:27,884 of course, since, 383 00:14:28,745 --> 00:14:30,125 HTS reached Damascus, 384 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,100 have, 385 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:33,299 invaded 386 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:35,860 the south of Syria and are now within, 387 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,419 I think it's 20 to 26 kilometers 388 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:40,340 of the center of Damascus 389 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,245 on the western side. 390 00:14:44,125 --> 00:14:46,544 But they have control over Souda 391 00:14:47,004 --> 00:14:49,644 and Darar and Kuneitra in the south. And 392 00:14:49,644 --> 00:14:50,225 I think 393 00:14:50,845 --> 00:14:53,745 the potential there is to continue that belt 394 00:14:54,365 --> 00:14:55,585 around the southeastern 395 00:14:56,044 --> 00:14:56,784 and northeastern 396 00:14:57,245 --> 00:14:57,745 borders 397 00:14:58,149 --> 00:15:00,230 of Syria, or at least to have them 398 00:15:00,230 --> 00:15:02,549 under surveillance and under control of, 399 00:15:02,950 --> 00:15:04,330 terrorist proxy forces. 400 00:15:04,709 --> 00:15:06,230 Because, of course, ISIS is 401 00:15:06,950 --> 00:15:10,009 has been, for years, incubated at Al Tanf, 402 00:15:10,445 --> 00:15:13,245 the US military base at Rookban, so called 403 00:15:13,245 --> 00:15:15,745 refugee camp to the south of Al Tanf. 404 00:15:16,445 --> 00:15:17,584 And then up controlling, 405 00:15:19,164 --> 00:15:19,985 the main 406 00:15:20,764 --> 00:15:23,325 eastern border, which is the entry for the 407 00:15:23,325 --> 00:15:25,549 land bridge from Iran and Iraq. So in 408 00:15:25,549 --> 00:15:27,549 other words, when we look at what they've 409 00:15:27,549 --> 00:15:29,570 done in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria, 410 00:15:30,589 --> 00:15:33,250 then that will continue, in my opinion, into 411 00:15:33,470 --> 00:15:33,970 Iraq. 412 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:37,070 And certainly, the the Iraqi resistance factions are 413 00:15:37,070 --> 00:15:39,035 preparing for this. And the Iranian, 414 00:15:39,735 --> 00:15:42,294 adviser, I think, to the IRGC was talking 415 00:15:42,294 --> 00:15:42,794 about 416 00:15:43,254 --> 00:15:46,634 11,000 ISIS already in Iraq preparing to, 417 00:15:47,975 --> 00:15:50,715 begin the attack in Iraq against the resistance 418 00:15:50,855 --> 00:15:51,355 factions 419 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:52,590 there. 420 00:15:54,090 --> 00:15:56,029 Yeah. We're we're definitely gonna get into 421 00:15:56,809 --> 00:15:58,730 the groups in the background and so on. 422 00:15:58,730 --> 00:16:01,129 And just I'll highlight what, what Patrick Henningsen 423 00:16:01,129 --> 00:16:02,570 was saying, which I'm sure, you know, we're 424 00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:03,070 covering. 425 00:16:03,450 --> 00:16:05,054 This is exactly what is anyone I think 426 00:16:05,054 --> 00:16:06,975 has been paying attention has already seen this 427 00:16:06,975 --> 00:16:09,215 pattern, but simply saying Israel is now actively, 428 00:16:09,215 --> 00:16:12,335 ethnically cleansing parts of Syria, ordering evacuation orders, 429 00:16:12,335 --> 00:16:14,575 settlers will gradually follow, you know, follow in. 430 00:16:14,575 --> 00:16:16,014 Are you seeing a pattern? It's the same 431 00:16:16,014 --> 00:16:17,855 exact thing we're seeing. I mean, how long 432 00:16:17,855 --> 00:16:19,695 until we start, you know, human shields and 433 00:16:19,695 --> 00:16:21,870 tunnels and Hamas or Hezbollah or whatever group, 434 00:16:21,870 --> 00:16:23,549 you know, the narrative to justify all these 435 00:16:23,549 --> 00:16:25,789 actions. It's it's pretty it's pretty unnerving to 436 00:16:25,789 --> 00:16:27,309 see how this is what I was pointing 437 00:16:27,309 --> 00:16:29,389 to earlier for those listening is just that 438 00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:32,029 it's it's clear. It seems like everybody's acknowledging 439 00:16:32,029 --> 00:16:34,125 this. We can we recognize these are lies, 440 00:16:34,125 --> 00:16:35,965 and it just continues to stumble forward at 441 00:16:35,965 --> 00:16:37,965 the expense of human life. So before we 442 00:16:37,965 --> 00:16:39,565 get more into the groups in general, you 443 00:16:39,565 --> 00:16:41,304 mentioned the the the 444 00:16:41,725 --> 00:16:43,325 I have 2 questions I wanna get into 445 00:16:43,325 --> 00:16:45,164 in regard to the imminent collapse point. But 446 00:16:45,164 --> 00:16:47,485 in any resistance in your from what you've 447 00:16:47,485 --> 00:16:48,544 seen, your research, 448 00:16:49,059 --> 00:16:51,139 because the the argument was pretty interesting that 449 00:16:51,139 --> 00:16:52,819 this was and we'll get into this around 450 00:16:52,819 --> 00:16:54,179 the deal point next and and what the 451 00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:55,379 deal might have been, but, you know, very 452 00:16:55,379 --> 00:16:57,159 quickly saw basically no resistance. 453 00:16:57,620 --> 00:16:59,860 And that was pretty broadly reported from all 454 00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:02,144 sides of this conversation that there was essentially 455 00:17:02,144 --> 00:17:04,144 no resistance. Now it clearly benefited them to 456 00:17:04,144 --> 00:17:05,505 make it look like they ran and there's 457 00:17:05,505 --> 00:17:07,664 no resistance. So they're probably sure there were 458 00:17:07,664 --> 00:17:09,904 some in there. But overall, it seems as 459 00:17:09,904 --> 00:17:12,325 if the conversation is that up until today, 460 00:17:12,384 --> 00:17:13,605 Israel's been bombing, 461 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:16,169 as you highlighted, all of these Syrian installations 462 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:17,130 and infrastructure 463 00:17:17,509 --> 00:17:20,149 with nobody fighting back. So two questions. Is 464 00:17:20,149 --> 00:17:22,390 that actually what's happening? And and same question 465 00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:24,549 therein. Is there any resistance in that? And 466 00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:25,529 is that not illegal 467 00:17:25,954 --> 00:17:27,015 if there's no resistance? 468 00:17:27,875 --> 00:17:29,734 No. Absolutely. Of course, it's illegal. 469 00:17:30,035 --> 00:17:32,355 I don't think there's anything that that Israel 470 00:17:32,355 --> 00:17:34,134 is doing that isn't illegal, 471 00:17:34,994 --> 00:17:36,615 actually, since its existence. 472 00:17:36,994 --> 00:17:38,934 So, I mean, you know, we shouldn't even 473 00:17:39,315 --> 00:17:40,375 perhaps be 474 00:17:41,269 --> 00:17:42,950 trying to figure out if it is legal 475 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:44,650 or illegal. They are an illegal 476 00:17:45,269 --> 00:17:46,869 settler state, but at the end of the 477 00:17:46,869 --> 00:17:48,549 day and so, therefore, of course, they're going 478 00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:51,190 to be violating every single international law that 479 00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:53,835 exists. Not that I have any faith in 480 00:17:53,835 --> 00:17:56,654 international law anyway because that's an entire 481 00:17:57,115 --> 00:17:57,615 captured 482 00:17:59,035 --> 00:17:59,535 institutionalized 483 00:18:00,315 --> 00:18:02,954 complex anyway that's corrupt as hell and is 484 00:18:02,954 --> 00:18:06,555 totally compromised and in service to the United 485 00:18:06,555 --> 00:18:08,575 States and and their allies. 486 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:11,750 Anyway, that was my little rant about that. 487 00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:12,549 I agree. 488 00:18:13,089 --> 00:18:13,589 But, 489 00:18:16,529 --> 00:18:18,450 and I've totally forgotten the question. Oh, it's 490 00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:20,609 okay. Just the first we wanna first one 491 00:18:20,609 --> 00:18:22,869 to get at is in your re research 492 00:18:23,009 --> 00:18:24,644 over the last week or so, have is 493 00:18:24,644 --> 00:18:27,045 there resistance happening? Are there people fighting back? 494 00:18:27,045 --> 00:18:28,965 Or very more importantly, is there a a 495 00:18:28,965 --> 00:18:31,285 real resistance happening? And to just then the 496 00:18:31,285 --> 00:18:33,125 question is, does that then make the bombing 497 00:18:33,125 --> 00:18:35,605 of installations and submit to military locations illegal 498 00:18:35,605 --> 00:18:37,065 if there's nobody fighting back? 499 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:40,059 No. Of course, there's no one fighting back. 500 00:18:40,059 --> 00:18:42,079 I mean, if you're talking about the situation 501 00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:43,200 now look. 502 00:18:43,660 --> 00:18:46,299 Israel's excuse is is that they're bombing all 503 00:18:46,299 --> 00:18:49,259 of these military bases and development centers and 504 00:18:49,259 --> 00:18:52,615 scientific research centers because heaven forbid, the weapons 505 00:18:52,615 --> 00:18:55,255 fall into the hands of HTS and the 506 00:18:55,255 --> 00:18:57,115 terrorist groups. But hang on a minute. 507 00:18:57,894 --> 00:19:00,695 Isn't Israel already supplying weapons to those terrorist 508 00:19:00,695 --> 00:19:02,615 groups in order to take the territory of 509 00:19:02,615 --> 00:19:05,429 Syria on their behalf? Yes. Yep. Yep. And 510 00:19:05,429 --> 00:19:06,630 and and fighting at the border of the 511 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:08,630 Golan Heights and continue to support them on 512 00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:11,029 the ground and, you know Exactly. And give 513 00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:13,829 them medical treatment and provide weapons and and 514 00:19:13,829 --> 00:19:16,470 funding and so on and support. Because for 515 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:16,970 them, 516 00:19:17,795 --> 00:19:19,654 I mean, multiple spokespeople 517 00:19:20,275 --> 00:19:22,595 of the Zionist regime have said on, on 518 00:19:22,595 --> 00:19:25,954 regular occasions that for them, ISIS is better 519 00:19:25,954 --> 00:19:28,515 than Assad. Anyway, anything is better than Assad. 520 00:19:28,515 --> 00:19:29,815 Let's face it from 521 00:19:30,289 --> 00:19:31,669 the point of view of, 522 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:33,829 the Gulf States and 523 00:19:35,169 --> 00:19:36,390 Israel, Turkey, 524 00:19:36,769 --> 00:19:38,789 and so on, and the US, of course. 525 00:19:40,049 --> 00:19:42,950 So of course, no. There's absolutely no resistance 526 00:19:43,009 --> 00:19:44,309 to this. In fact, Jelani, 527 00:19:45,275 --> 00:19:46,875 I think in one of his very first 528 00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:49,275 interviews, basically said, look, you know, Syria is 529 00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:50,875 not going to engage in any other war. 530 00:19:50,875 --> 00:19:53,434 Today, they've told the Palestinian factions to stand 531 00:19:53,434 --> 00:19:53,934 down. 532 00:19:54,234 --> 00:19:56,234 They're basically not going to provide any more 533 00:19:56,234 --> 00:19:56,734 weapons. 534 00:19:58,349 --> 00:19:59,090 And so 535 00:19:59,630 --> 00:20:00,690 all of this was 536 00:20:01,070 --> 00:20:03,970 sadly for nothing. You know, October 7th, 537 00:20:04,509 --> 00:20:07,309 now Khaled Michelle is back in control. And 538 00:20:07,309 --> 00:20:08,990 of course, we know that Michelle was in 539 00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:10,130 control when Hamas 540 00:20:10,785 --> 00:20:11,845 betrayed Syria 541 00:20:12,465 --> 00:20:14,465 in the early years of the regime change 542 00:20:14,465 --> 00:20:15,285 war until 543 00:20:15,825 --> 00:20:18,545 Nasrallah made some effort to bring them back 544 00:20:18,545 --> 00:20:20,725 into the resistance fold from 2017 545 00:20:21,184 --> 00:20:22,565 onwards. And in 2021, 546 00:20:23,970 --> 00:20:26,309 they came back to Damascus having been expelled 547 00:20:26,369 --> 00:20:29,029 because they were involved in the regime change 548 00:20:29,170 --> 00:20:30,789 operations against Syria. 549 00:20:32,369 --> 00:20:34,069 The leadership that was 550 00:20:34,369 --> 00:20:36,849 pro the resistance axis and pro Syria, like 551 00:20:36,849 --> 00:20:38,869 Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Daif, 552 00:20:40,085 --> 00:20:40,744 have been 553 00:20:41,045 --> 00:20:41,545 assassinated. 554 00:20:42,085 --> 00:20:43,384 Even Ishmael Hanyay, 555 00:20:44,484 --> 00:20:46,424 I would say he was a little marginal, 556 00:20:46,484 --> 00:20:49,205 but he did then come back into the 557 00:20:49,205 --> 00:20:51,465 resistance access after 2017. 558 00:20:52,769 --> 00:20:55,430 So all of them have basically been killed. 559 00:20:56,049 --> 00:20:58,609 There are still a few left that would, 560 00:20:58,609 --> 00:21:00,690 let's say, still have some loyalty to the 561 00:21:00,690 --> 00:21:02,390 resistance access and to Syria. 562 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:04,549 But Michelle, no. 563 00:21:05,009 --> 00:21:05,750 And so, 564 00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:07,190 you know, unfortunately, 565 00:21:08,174 --> 00:21:09,634 with Syria gone, 566 00:21:10,975 --> 00:21:13,075 I I don't see now 567 00:21:13,535 --> 00:21:14,035 how 568 00:21:20,619 --> 00:21:22,380 Well, hope I didn't lose you. It's early. 569 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:23,759 I've got a lot to get to. 570 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:28,220 Shoot. Well, since there's an opening, because so 571 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:29,419 in case you guys missed the point I 572 00:21:29,419 --> 00:21:30,299 was making a moment ago 573 00:21:31,099 --> 00:21:32,634 Oh, there we go. I got you back. 574 00:21:32,795 --> 00:21:34,234 Frank. I'll just finish what I was saying. 575 00:21:34,234 --> 00:21:35,674 Oh, that's that's an interesting view. I haven't 576 00:21:35,674 --> 00:21:38,075 seen that. So well, anyway, while while she's 577 00:21:38,075 --> 00:21:41,035 regaining her video feed, the the, the point 578 00:21:41,035 --> 00:21:43,035 I was making a second ago was ultimately 579 00:21:43,035 --> 00:21:44,875 the reality that and in case you missed 580 00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:46,830 it, that it is illegal for them to 581 00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:48,289 be bombing these these locations 582 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:51,070 regardless of the narrative they're laying out. Even 583 00:21:51,070 --> 00:21:53,309 if everything they've said was true, there's nobody 584 00:21:53,309 --> 00:21:54,910 fighting back. So these are these are just 585 00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:57,230 I mean, that is literal terrorism. Right? I 586 00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:58,845 mean, that's what's really important to see, and 587 00:21:59,005 --> 00:22:00,605 they're making excuses for it. And compare that 588 00:22:00,605 --> 00:22:02,125 to anything that they've highlighted about what Russia 589 00:22:02,125 --> 00:22:04,325 is doing in Ukraine. It's it's, quite hip 590 00:22:04,325 --> 00:22:05,105 hop hypocritical. 591 00:22:05,404 --> 00:22:06,765 So go ahead and finish. Pick up on 592 00:22:06,765 --> 00:22:08,365 your point there. You you cut you probably 593 00:22:08,365 --> 00:22:10,924 cut out, maybe the last 15 seconds before 594 00:22:10,924 --> 00:22:13,480 that. Oh, okay. Well, no. I mean, basically, 595 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,180 I you know, I'm just saying that, 596 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,799 from an HTS perspective, they're gonna do nothing 597 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:22,440 to stop this. Mhmm. In fact, they opened 598 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,424 the door to it, basically. Basically. You know, 599 00:22:24,424 --> 00:22:25,737 they gave the green light because there isn't 600 00:22:25,737 --> 00:22:27,068 gonna be any resistance. And because the Syrian 601 00:22:27,068 --> 00:22:28,565 Arab Army has stood down and surrendered, then 602 00:22:28,565 --> 00:22:30,525 there's no one manning the air defense. 603 00:22:31,224 --> 00:22:33,144 So so, basically, Israel can be using the 604 00:22:33,144 --> 00:22:35,384 heavy duty bunker buster bombs that they couldn't 605 00:22:35,384 --> 00:22:35,884 use 606 00:22:38,779 --> 00:22:42,480 before because they couldn't actually violate Syrian airspace 607 00:22:42,619 --> 00:22:44,880 for for the risk of being shot down. 608 00:22:45,019 --> 00:22:46,240 Now there's no risk. 609 00:22:46,779 --> 00:22:49,099 So, I mean, Israel is basically I think 610 00:22:49,099 --> 00:22:52,139 they've bombed over 500 times now. Yeah. Well, 611 00:22:52,139 --> 00:22:53,984 I mean, no. There there's no there's no 612 00:22:53,984 --> 00:22:55,845 pretext for this. There's no justification 613 00:22:56,144 --> 00:22:57,845 for this. This is just state terrorism. 614 00:22:58,305 --> 00:23:00,464 Which I know which people people know why 615 00:23:00,464 --> 00:23:01,984 Vanessa responded the way she did a moment 616 00:23:01,984 --> 00:23:03,825 ago because it's it's this is for the 617 00:23:03,825 --> 00:23:06,144 person that's just now become aware of this. 618 00:23:06,144 --> 00:23:07,759 It's pretty obvious to see us who'll be 619 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:09,759 violating the law in a 1,000 different ways, 620 00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:11,200 but it's important to see that, you know, 621 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,440 very clearly there. But I the pointed question 622 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,919 on this, why wouldn't they just take these 623 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,000 things? Like, is it I I I I 624 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,759 think it's probably because they don't have the 625 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:21,765 resources, I guess, but why wouldn't they why 626 00:23:21,765 --> 00:23:23,285 wouldn't they say, hi, Trill Sean. Go take 627 00:23:23,285 --> 00:23:24,884 control of these things. You know? Is there 628 00:23:24,884 --> 00:23:26,025 more insight to that? 629 00:23:27,684 --> 00:23:29,605 Well, I think there is an element of 630 00:23:29,605 --> 00:23:31,765 truth that they don't want all of this 631 00:23:31,765 --> 00:23:33,684 to fall into the hands of HTS. Not 632 00:23:33,684 --> 00:23:34,424 that they're 633 00:23:34,884 --> 00:23:36,825 trained to use most of this equipment. 634 00:23:38,619 --> 00:23:40,220 Because at the end of the day, it's 635 00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:42,859 a it's a volatile proxy force that they've 636 00:23:42,859 --> 00:23:44,859 used. I mean, this is what they always 637 00:23:44,859 --> 00:23:47,359 do. Right? Whether it's Libya or Afghanistan, 638 00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:49,039 it doesn't matter. 639 00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:51,200 They're volatile. 640 00:23:51,924 --> 00:23:53,525 And ultimately, of course, they're going to be 641 00:23:53,525 --> 00:23:56,244 fighting amongst themselves. But why wouldn't they also 642 00:23:56,244 --> 00:23:58,644 fight against Israel if they finally sort of 643 00:23:58,644 --> 00:24:00,484 realize, well, hang on. Israel is going to 644 00:24:00,484 --> 00:24:02,325 be grabbing more of Syria, and we want 645 00:24:02,325 --> 00:24:04,585 to keep that bit of Syria, etcetera. So, 646 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,299 no, I I get it from from a 647 00:24:07,299 --> 00:24:09,559 realpolitik perspective that Israel, 648 00:24:10,259 --> 00:24:12,259 in that sense, is correct that they don't 649 00:24:12,259 --> 00:24:14,119 want it to fall into Mhmm. 650 00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:17,539 HTS hands or any of the other factions 651 00:24:17,539 --> 00:24:19,255 that are on the ground and might try 652 00:24:19,255 --> 00:24:21,355 and take power in the future and so 653 00:24:21,375 --> 00:24:21,875 on. 654 00:24:23,255 --> 00:24:25,494 Yeah. Sorry. No. No. That's a really important 655 00:24:25,494 --> 00:24:27,575 point really for an, a conversation the other 656 00:24:27,575 --> 00:24:29,755 day. We'd get deeper into that point about 657 00:24:30,054 --> 00:24:31,990 about, you know, just because the proxy force 658 00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:33,349 exists does not mean that they have complete 659 00:24:33,349 --> 00:24:35,029 control over its actions. And I think Saudi 660 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:36,309 Arabia has even made that point in the 661 00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:38,549 past. M MBS himself, I think, made kind 662 00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:41,029 of alluded to an interview that clearly they're 663 00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:43,269 responsible. They're kinda Wahhabi mindset around a lot 664 00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:45,904 of these terrorist organizations rather than ideology around 665 00:24:45,904 --> 00:24:47,744 it. And that ultimately, they've lost control of 666 00:24:47,744 --> 00:24:49,505 some of these elements. So they are exactly 667 00:24:49,505 --> 00:24:51,664 what they funded them into being and then 668 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:53,184 they just went their own direction, you know? 669 00:24:53,184 --> 00:24:54,625 And so it's interesting to see how that 670 00:24:54,625 --> 00:24:56,144 works. And I think we've seen this with 671 00:24:56,144 --> 00:24:57,505 a lot, like, even the Kurds with the 672 00:24:57,505 --> 00:24:59,369 US. How one day they're working with them, 673 00:24:59,369 --> 00:25:00,730 the next they could care less what happens. 674 00:25:00,730 --> 00:25:02,570 You know, it's just interesting. So that that's 675 00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:04,009 important to think about right there is that 676 00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:05,450 so that the answer to the question, that 677 00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:07,130 ultimately they just don't know how the future 678 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:08,410 will go, so it's better for them to 679 00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:11,369 destroy everything. And then ultimately that allows situation 680 00:25:11,369 --> 00:25:13,210 where nobody could fill that role in Syria, 681 00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:15,765 which is another sad reality that Syria is 682 00:25:15,765 --> 00:25:17,544 ultimately gone because of that. 683 00:25:18,085 --> 00:25:20,164 Yeah. And exactly. That's the point is that 684 00:25:20,164 --> 00:25:21,464 they're they're ensuring 685 00:25:21,845 --> 00:25:24,585 that in the future, regardless of who is 686 00:25:24,724 --> 00:25:26,424 in control in Syria, 687 00:25:26,890 --> 00:25:29,210 they don't have access to the weapons and 688 00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:31,849 to the ability to either attack Israel or 689 00:25:31,849 --> 00:25:32,910 to defend itself 690 00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:35,849 against Israel. They've effectively turned it into another 691 00:25:35,849 --> 00:25:37,150 Gaza then, essentially. 692 00:25:38,009 --> 00:25:40,009 Yeah. They've turned it into a playing field 693 00:25:40,009 --> 00:25:42,525 for for the predators that are now gonna 694 00:25:42,525 --> 00:25:44,765 sort of pick the country clean in one 695 00:25:44,765 --> 00:25:45,664 way or another. 696 00:25:46,444 --> 00:25:48,044 You know, you have Turkey in the north. 697 00:25:48,044 --> 00:25:50,224 You have Israel in the south. You have 698 00:25:50,444 --> 00:25:53,644 Israel in the United States up the southeast 699 00:25:53,644 --> 00:25:54,944 and northeastern corridor. 700 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,179 You've got HTS 701 00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:59,980 through the rest of the country, basically. 702 00:26:00,679 --> 00:26:02,839 But at some point, of course, what's going 703 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:04,460 to happen, as I've said, 704 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:07,639 you've got a cauldron therefore in the country, 705 00:26:07,639 --> 00:26:09,099 in the center of the country, 706 00:26:09,884 --> 00:26:12,125 which at some point is going to turn 707 00:26:12,125 --> 00:26:14,765 against itself. Because, you know, it's not only 708 00:26:14,765 --> 00:26:17,565 Jelani, it's not only HTS. You've got multiple 709 00:26:17,565 --> 00:26:18,865 other groups and nationalities 710 00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:20,945 also. You've got foreign mercenaries 711 00:26:21,849 --> 00:26:24,009 fighting under the banner of HTS. But at 712 00:26:24,009 --> 00:26:25,869 what point are they going to, 713 00:26:26,329 --> 00:26:29,210 you know, start warring for for control in 714 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:30,909 certain areas for for 715 00:26:31,529 --> 00:26:32,509 religious fanaticism 716 00:26:32,889 --> 00:26:35,554 because they don't feel that that it's, you 717 00:26:35,554 --> 00:26:37,894 know, Sharia enough for them or whatever. 718 00:26:38,914 --> 00:26:40,914 And and we're already seeing this in the 719 00:26:40,914 --> 00:26:43,494 conversations again on social media where 720 00:26:43,795 --> 00:26:45,954 some of the Chechens or some of the 721 00:26:45,954 --> 00:26:47,954 Uighurs are saying, well, we don't accept this. 722 00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:50,275 You know, this isn't true Sharia. We want 723 00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:51,210 it to be more 724 00:26:51,929 --> 00:26:54,490 strict and so on. And, of course, Jalani 725 00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:56,730 is under instructions to try and be as 726 00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:57,789 moderate as possible. 727 00:26:58,329 --> 00:27:00,490 And people do really need to remember that 728 00:27:00,490 --> 00:27:02,750 this guy is ISIS, Al Qaeda, 729 00:27:04,085 --> 00:27:06,505 and, you know, is is the commander 730 00:27:06,884 --> 00:27:08,505 of some of the most brutal 731 00:27:08,884 --> 00:27:12,484 terrorist forces that operated inside Syria like Jaish 732 00:27:12,484 --> 00:27:14,565 al Islam. And I noticed that Muhammad al 733 00:27:14,565 --> 00:27:16,184 Aluis is in the supposed 734 00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:19,409 new inclusive government that is made up entirely 735 00:27:19,630 --> 00:27:20,130 of, 736 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:21,730 extremist 737 00:27:22,269 --> 00:27:22,769 Islamist. 738 00:27:23,789 --> 00:27:24,289 So 739 00:27:25,309 --> 00:27:26,369 hardly inclusive. 740 00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:28,750 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I gotta just say 741 00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:29,730 I find it actually, 742 00:27:30,514 --> 00:27:31,954 I mean, I guess it fits with the 743 00:27:31,954 --> 00:27:33,474 rest of how absurd things are these days, 744 00:27:33,474 --> 00:27:35,255 but to even use the phrase, 745 00:27:36,674 --> 00:27:39,634 diversity friendly jihadists. I'm just like, how are 746 00:27:39,634 --> 00:27:41,315 we just the Babylon Bee today? Like, it 747 00:27:41,315 --> 00:27:42,835 just I well, you know what an interesting 748 00:27:42,835 --> 00:27:44,274 point by that? On that note actually, and 749 00:27:44,274 --> 00:27:45,875 if you wanna laugh at this with me, 750 00:27:45,875 --> 00:27:47,869 that, you know, it so the term intifada 751 00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:50,250 for example, which just means resistance. You know, 752 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:51,609 it's like using the word revolution. You can 753 00:27:51,609 --> 00:27:53,049 use that in all sorts of ways. But 754 00:27:53,049 --> 00:27:54,650 obviously, if we can say the American revolution, 755 00:27:54,650 --> 00:27:56,570 it's a positive thing. It's the same difference 756 00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:58,650 in the conversation anywhere else. But the word 757 00:27:58,650 --> 00:27:59,150 jihadist 758 00:27:59,644 --> 00:28:01,325 is a bit different, you know. It's very 759 00:28:01,325 --> 00:28:03,404 specific and yet it's being used by people 760 00:28:03,404 --> 00:28:05,884 in the republican conversation. Like it's somehow now 761 00:28:05,884 --> 00:28:07,724 it just it's weird how one can become 762 00:28:07,724 --> 00:28:09,244 whatever you want it to be when there's 763 00:28:09,244 --> 00:28:10,924 opening. You get the point. It's just it's 764 00:28:10,924 --> 00:28:13,164 just completely hypocritical and blind to the the 765 00:28:13,164 --> 00:28:15,320 reality of it. And now, literally, I I 766 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,080 guess, I wonder whether that's part of this 767 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,240 design. Like, why would they actually use those 768 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,820 terms? It's it is comic it's it's cartoonish. 769 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,700 Well, actually, the whole, 770 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,075 concept of Islamic extremism 771 00:28:28,535 --> 00:28:31,434 was, of course, originated by the Zionist. Right. 772 00:28:31,815 --> 00:28:33,755 Yeah. So all of this terminology 773 00:28:34,214 --> 00:28:34,955 has been 774 00:28:35,335 --> 00:28:38,775 effectively foisted upon us by the Zionist movement, 775 00:28:38,775 --> 00:28:41,515 by the various lobby groups and and 776 00:28:42,059 --> 00:28:45,519 organizations that support the Zionist movement. This whole 777 00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:47,019 concept of, 778 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:48,720 extremist Islam, 779 00:28:49,339 --> 00:28:51,759 which I also, because I had this conversation 780 00:28:52,059 --> 00:28:53,039 earlier today, 781 00:28:55,065 --> 00:28:57,065 when someone was alluding to the fact that, 782 00:28:57,065 --> 00:28:59,865 well, you know, white Muslims always fight amongst 783 00:28:59,865 --> 00:29:00,365 themselves 784 00:29:00,744 --> 00:29:02,825 and this is a big problem and so 785 00:29:02,825 --> 00:29:04,924 on. And, you know, I said, okay, 786 00:29:05,224 --> 00:29:06,664 we have to look at this in a 787 00:29:06,664 --> 00:29:07,565 different light. 788 00:29:08,105 --> 00:29:08,605 Because 789 00:29:09,144 --> 00:29:09,644 pre 790 00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:12,720 2011, were Muslims fighting themselves 791 00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:14,000 in Syria? 792 00:29:14,859 --> 00:29:15,359 No. 793 00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:17,339 You know, Syria was one of the most 794 00:29:17,339 --> 00:29:19,740 secure and stable countries in the Middle East 795 00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:20,559 at that point. 796 00:29:21,019 --> 00:29:21,650 It it was a fantastic country if you 797 00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:21,849 listen to people that that were there, Syrians 798 00:29:21,849 --> 00:29:22,394 that were living in 799 00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:38,150 ideology. So either Wahhabi's 800 00:29:38,529 --> 00:29:40,789 Saudi Arabia or the Muslim Brotherhood, 801 00:29:41,329 --> 00:29:43,029 supported by Qatar in Turkey. 802 00:29:45,089 --> 00:29:47,029 And those elements are weaponized 803 00:29:48,224 --> 00:29:50,085 to create this sectarian 804 00:29:50,464 --> 00:29:53,845 division and strife and violence in those countries. 805 00:29:54,224 --> 00:29:56,404 And then people have to actually 806 00:29:57,184 --> 00:29:59,125 fight back to be able to survive. 807 00:29:59,505 --> 00:30:01,204 And we're seeing it now because, 808 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,799 you know, when you've got the BBC and 809 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,279 CNN and dear old Clarissa Ward lying through 810 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:07,180 her teeth again, 811 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,240 and Jeremy Bowen running alongside crowds heading for 812 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,400 an execution as if he's going to a 813 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,380 Christmas party. 814 00:30:15,005 --> 00:30:17,265 You know, it's very difficult to understand 815 00:30:17,725 --> 00:30:19,424 what you're actually normalizing 816 00:30:20,285 --> 00:30:22,285 when you kind of accept this sort of 817 00:30:22,285 --> 00:30:25,585 reporting. You know, suddenly Sdnaya becomes the new 818 00:30:25,884 --> 00:30:26,384 Holocaust. 819 00:30:27,419 --> 00:30:29,200 And this was debunked back in 820 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:30,000 2013, 821 00:30:31,179 --> 00:30:32,960 2016. Amnesty International 822 00:30:33,419 --> 00:30:35,740 rolled back their report because it was all 823 00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:38,639 AI generated. People have forgotten all this. 824 00:30:39,244 --> 00:30:40,945 It's forgotten. It's just gone. 825 00:30:41,565 --> 00:30:43,725 You know, we already debunked all of these 826 00:30:43,725 --> 00:30:45,424 narratives, but now it's back 827 00:30:45,805 --> 00:30:48,684 as the new Holocaust and everything's forgotten about 828 00:30:48,684 --> 00:30:51,505 St. Simon in Israel, where they're actually 829 00:30:52,150 --> 00:30:52,650 sodomizing 830 00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:53,529 Palestinians, 831 00:30:54,869 --> 00:30:57,049 that are not even charged with anything 832 00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:59,690 or Saudi Arabia or Egypt 833 00:31:00,069 --> 00:31:03,029 or America, CIA black site. You know, all 834 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:05,349 of that is forgotten. Everything is focused in 835 00:31:05,349 --> 00:31:06,809 on Sadnaya and this 836 00:31:07,285 --> 00:31:07,785 sort 837 00:31:08,484 --> 00:31:09,785 of post apocalypse, 838 00:31:11,605 --> 00:31:12,105 Hitlerization 839 00:31:12,644 --> 00:31:15,204 of Assad. We're back on that again. Right. 840 00:31:15,204 --> 00:31:17,125 And of course Right back on that track 841 00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:17,625 again. 842 00:31:17,924 --> 00:31:22,069 Also ignoring the US associated exact situation in 843 00:31:22,069 --> 00:31:23,849 in in Northeastern Syria. No. 844 00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:26,549 Yeah. Yeah. Northeastern Syria. And this is this 845 00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:28,649 is from a newer report from April 17th 846 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:30,309 this year. And I'm sure you're familiar. Right? 847 00:31:30,309 --> 00:31:31,669 And it's Mhmm. As you can see right 848 00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:33,269 there in the line, it's with the support 849 00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:35,805 of the US government. Torture, injustice, and death. 850 00:31:35,805 --> 00:31:37,005 You know? And it's and, I mean, as 851 00:31:37,005 --> 00:31:38,845 you highlighted as well in as well as 852 00:31:38,845 --> 00:31:39,505 the Rupan, 853 00:31:40,045 --> 00:31:41,965 Altamp area. You know? And it's just it's 854 00:31:41,965 --> 00:31:43,244 disgusting. And we'll and we'll come back to 855 00:31:43,244 --> 00:31:44,684 that in general. I wanna get into the 856 00:31:44,684 --> 00:31:46,285 actual fake news part of it. I mean, 857 00:31:46,285 --> 00:31:48,205 how many people are in jail in in 858 00:31:48,205 --> 00:31:48,705 Idlib? 859 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,720 Right. Or in in in Israel in general. 860 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,319 You know, like, all these overlap I mean, 861 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,799 as you pointed out, the literal on video 862 00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:57,240 rape in a prison, and, you know, we're 863 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,399 not highlighting that. It's just it it's it's 864 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:00,759 it will we'll come back to that because 865 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:02,119 I do wanna ask you more questions about 866 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,279 the prison itself because that's important for people 867 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,375 to hear. If you and just it's the 868 00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:08,214 information around that as you've highlighted is is 869 00:32:08,214 --> 00:32:09,734 been debunked more than once, which is most 870 00:32:09,734 --> 00:32:10,554 of these stories. 871 00:32:10,855 --> 00:32:12,454 But let let's go in next to and 872 00:32:12,454 --> 00:32:13,815 I'll let you actually pick which thing you 873 00:32:13,815 --> 00:32:15,095 think will be better to start with. Do 874 00:32:15,174 --> 00:32:18,134 you wanna focus on the, the information around 875 00:32:18,294 --> 00:32:19,654 hi. It's your al Sham in Idlib and 876 00:32:19,654 --> 00:32:21,809 that focus or the the deal conversation 877 00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:23,630 in do you think it's more important to 878 00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:25,230 break down what these groups are first or 879 00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:26,830 talk about the deal that might have happened 880 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:28,369 in the in the last so many weeks? 881 00:32:28,830 --> 00:32:30,190 Well, I mean, I think we can very 882 00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:31,410 quickly break down, 883 00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:34,734 who these groups are. I mean, Jalani, as 884 00:32:34,734 --> 00:32:36,595 we talked about, he was incubated 885 00:32:36,894 --> 00:32:39,315 in the CIA black sites in Iraq. 886 00:32:40,575 --> 00:32:41,075 He 887 00:32:41,375 --> 00:32:41,875 was 888 00:32:42,174 --> 00:32:46,035 sent as the emissary of Baghdadi, so ISIS 889 00:32:46,095 --> 00:32:48,434 basically, into Syria. He then formed 890 00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:50,320 Nusratran 891 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,859 Al Qaeda in Syria. He then went on 892 00:32:52,859 --> 00:32:55,660 to form various coalitions of terrorist groups inside 893 00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:56,160 Syria. 894 00:32:56,539 --> 00:32:59,420 And he pretty much had command, not over 895 00:32:59,420 --> 00:33:00,799 all of the groups in Idlib, 896 00:33:01,625 --> 00:33:03,404 but he had command over, 897 00:33:03,865 --> 00:33:05,804 let's say, the most dominant groups. 898 00:33:06,904 --> 00:33:08,365 In Idlib, he provided 899 00:33:10,264 --> 00:33:10,764 surveillance 900 00:33:11,224 --> 00:33:11,724 operations 901 00:33:12,184 --> 00:33:14,424 for the United States so they could pick 902 00:33:14,424 --> 00:33:16,125 off the other groups that 903 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:17,960 potentially could be a threat 904 00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:19,640 to Jelani's supremacy, 905 00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:21,880 in Idlib. 906 00:33:22,339 --> 00:33:24,680 But under his control or also, 907 00:33:25,779 --> 00:33:27,880 yeah, like thousands of foreign, 908 00:33:30,015 --> 00:33:32,434 extremist factions, like even Kurdish, 909 00:33:33,134 --> 00:33:33,634 Salafists, 910 00:33:35,455 --> 00:33:35,955 Chechens, 911 00:33:36,414 --> 00:33:36,914 Uzbekistan, 912 00:33:37,455 --> 00:33:37,955 Turkmenistan, 913 00:33:39,455 --> 00:33:39,955 Uyghurs. 914 00:33:40,815 --> 00:33:42,255 I mean, I I was looking at a 915 00:33:42,255 --> 00:33:44,230 map the other day from 2014 916 00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:46,230 of where 917 00:33:46,769 --> 00:33:49,409 the terrorists were coming from inside Syria, and 918 00:33:49,409 --> 00:33:51,409 it was extraordinary. I mean, they're coming from 919 00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:54,529 everywhere, from Norway, from Finland, from all of 920 00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:55,190 the Balkans, 921 00:33:55,765 --> 00:33:57,144 from Kosovo, from 922 00:33:58,404 --> 00:34:01,384 America, from EU, from Australia. Like literally, 923 00:34:02,005 --> 00:34:03,845 they flooded in from all over the world 924 00:34:03,845 --> 00:34:06,404 and they're still there. So when we talk 925 00:34:06,404 --> 00:34:08,885 about this being Syrian against Syrian, of course 926 00:34:08,885 --> 00:34:09,545 it isn't. 927 00:34:10,019 --> 00:34:12,280 At least 50% of those groups, 928 00:34:13,219 --> 00:34:14,840 are foreign mercenaries. Foreign 929 00:34:15,619 --> 00:34:17,719 ideologically driven, some of them. 930 00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:19,800 But mercenaries and proxies. 931 00:34:20,579 --> 00:34:22,260 Right? So that's what I'm saying. At what 932 00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:24,500 point are they going to retain any kind 933 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:25,159 of allegiance 934 00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:28,255 to Jelani and to HTS? 935 00:34:28,714 --> 00:34:31,355 Mhmm. Very unlikely. Unless, of course, the money 936 00:34:31,355 --> 00:34:32,014 is good. 937 00:34:32,315 --> 00:34:33,674 Right. Well, it's sort of like the Azov 938 00:34:33,674 --> 00:34:35,514 movement dynamic. I mean, it literally is the 939 00:34:35,514 --> 00:34:37,594 same proxies l I mean, because, I mean, 940 00:34:37,594 --> 00:34:39,369 even I, it's pretty I think it was 941 00:34:39,369 --> 00:34:41,050 Scott Ritter that covered this the most, but 942 00:34:41,050 --> 00:34:43,050 where when Zelensky first took power, he walked 943 00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:44,409 up to them and they basically laughed him 944 00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:46,409 off. Like, you're you're on control. You know? 945 00:34:46,409 --> 00:34:47,690 And that was on video. I remember seeing 946 00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:49,210 the video myself. I played on the show. 947 00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:50,730 And so what's interesting is you got this 948 00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:52,329 proxy element. So in in a way, even 949 00:34:52,329 --> 00:34:54,505 though Jelani clearly has, you know, some level 950 00:34:54,505 --> 00:34:56,505 of influence with his group, your argument is 951 00:34:56,505 --> 00:34:58,505 that ultimately there it's just because of the 952 00:34:58,505 --> 00:35:00,985 chaos they've created, anybody else could ultimately start. 953 00:35:00,985 --> 00:35:02,344 I mean, like, even the Kurds come into 954 00:35:02,344 --> 00:35:04,105 play because I don't think the Kurds seem 955 00:35:04,105 --> 00:35:05,784 to be in line with the vision they 956 00:35:05,784 --> 00:35:07,625 have for what's coming next with what Gulani 957 00:35:07,625 --> 00:35:09,699 or anybody else has. So, eventually, one of 958 00:35:09,699 --> 00:35:11,460 these things are going to come up against 959 00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:12,900 each other. Like we saw in the last 960 00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,420 dynamic where you had the state department and 961 00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:16,660 CIA forces fighting each other inside of Syria. 962 00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:17,239 You know? 963 00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:19,619 Well, the Kurds have done what they've done 964 00:35:19,619 --> 00:35:20,119 historically. 965 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:23,559 You know, they they they don't learn from 966 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:25,614 history that whenever they're supported, 967 00:35:26,875 --> 00:35:27,375 by 968 00:35:27,755 --> 00:35:30,175 whoever that power is, they're gonna be betrayed. 969 00:35:30,474 --> 00:35:32,635 Right. Of course, that's exactly what's happening right 970 00:35:32,635 --> 00:35:34,894 now because they're being attacked in the northeast, 971 00:35:35,914 --> 00:35:37,135 by the Turkish 972 00:35:37,434 --> 00:35:38,655 SNA forces. 973 00:35:39,069 --> 00:35:42,109 And they're literally begging America to to stop 974 00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:44,109 it and to get Turkey to call off 975 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:46,049 the the the troops. It's 976 00:35:46,429 --> 00:35:47,569 it's not gonna happen, 977 00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:50,589 you know. And and people were telling them. 978 00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:53,010 I mean, they had the experience in Afrin 979 00:35:54,264 --> 00:35:57,224 when they rejected the Syrian Arab army offers 980 00:35:57,224 --> 00:35:59,545 to come in and help them resist against 981 00:35:59,545 --> 00:36:02,764 the Turkish proxies coming in and occupying Afrin. 982 00:36:03,385 --> 00:36:04,445 And they refused. 983 00:36:05,385 --> 00:36:08,010 Right? And so then what happened? The Turkish 984 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:10,710 mercenaries came in, and there was a massacre, 985 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:13,210 and they were fully displaced from Afrin. 986 00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:14,869 Right. I mean 987 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:17,750 You know, I I I don't know. With 988 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:20,390 the Kurds, it's very difficult to really have 989 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:21,530 sympathy because 990 00:36:22,625 --> 00:36:24,704 how they couldn't see what was coming, that 991 00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,625 at some point, they would be left to 992 00:36:26,625 --> 00:36:28,804 the wolves because a deal would be done 993 00:36:29,184 --> 00:36:31,204 and as it has been done between 994 00:36:32,545 --> 00:36:33,444 Turkey and 995 00:36:34,065 --> 00:36:36,545 Israel to to conduct this attack in the 996 00:36:36,545 --> 00:36:39,400 first place. Right? Because Turkey at the moment 997 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,900 gets the north and it gets, from Aleppo 998 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,420 across to the northeast. 999 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,500 The Kurds are out of the picture. 1000 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:46,619 Mhmm. 1001 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,940 Well, I honestly don't have much, 1002 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,734 compact like, I don't see them in the 1003 00:36:51,734 --> 00:36:53,414 same categories I would any of the other 1004 00:36:53,414 --> 00:36:55,815 groups we're discussing, but you're still a I 1005 00:36:55,815 --> 00:36:58,694 think as you're pointing out, acknowledged aware of 1006 00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:00,454 being used by these elements. So I I 1007 00:37:00,574 --> 00:37:01,894 it's like you said, I don't really have 1008 00:37:01,894 --> 00:37:03,690 much compassion for what that, you know, you've 1009 00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:05,369 should've learned from these mistakes thus far, I 1010 00:37:05,369 --> 00:37:06,650 think. Like, I think they have the design 1011 00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:09,050 on, obviously, their Kurdistan area, but as you're 1012 00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:11,530 pointing out, that's not the designs anybody's laying 1013 00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:13,210 out. But so this this is a good 1014 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:15,289 segue into the the question about whatever went 1015 00:37:15,289 --> 00:37:18,135 down in in, in the last you know, 1016 00:37:18,135 --> 00:37:19,974 with with the the pot potential of whatever 1017 00:37:19,974 --> 00:37:22,055 deal was brewing that I've heard you discussed. 1018 00:37:22,055 --> 00:37:24,375 Because, obviously, right there, I would argue that 1019 00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:25,434 looks like ultimately 1020 00:37:25,815 --> 00:37:26,315 Turkey 1021 00:37:26,855 --> 00:37:28,454 getting what it wanted out of this and 1022 00:37:28,454 --> 00:37:30,135 the and the courage as usual getting thrown 1023 00:37:30,135 --> 00:37:31,710 at the bus by the US government. But 1024 00:37:31,710 --> 00:37:33,230 so let's get so was there a deal 1025 00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:34,429 that took place with all of this? And 1026 00:37:34,429 --> 00:37:36,769 I'd like to start from the point of 1027 00:37:36,989 --> 00:37:38,510 where like, when we were talking about this 1028 00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:39,750 in the first and a little before where 1029 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:40,829 it was sort of like, you know, the 1030 00:37:40,829 --> 00:37:43,070 sleeper cell elements, you know, that ultimately, it 1031 00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:44,510 seemed that some kind of an agreement was 1032 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:47,174 made where Assad didn't really resist. We saw 1033 00:37:47,174 --> 00:37:49,054 the point where even Sputnik reported that he 1034 00:37:49,054 --> 00:37:51,295 had essentially resigned and would call for peaceful 1035 00:37:51,295 --> 00:37:53,135 transition. You know? So what really went down 1036 00:37:53,135 --> 00:37:54,494 right there? And do you think that somebody 1037 00:37:54,494 --> 00:37:55,795 was, you know, 1038 00:37:56,494 --> 00:37:58,094 what the the deal was not honored by 1039 00:37:58,094 --> 00:37:58,994 one of the parties? 1040 00:38:02,059 --> 00:38:03,199 I'm only theorizing. 1041 00:38:03,659 --> 00:38:05,679 Mhmm. Right? I I don't have any, 1042 00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:09,039 you know, hard evidence. 1043 00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,059 But just looking at the picture on the 1044 00:38:12,059 --> 00:38:13,119 ground, I mean, 1045 00:38:13,965 --> 00:38:16,845 I know for a fact that when Aleppo 1046 00:38:16,845 --> 00:38:19,164 was when the defense of Aleppo was first 1047 00:38:19,164 --> 00:38:21,184 breached, I mean, there was something like 30,000 1048 00:38:21,644 --> 00:38:22,945 Syrian Army forces, 1049 00:38:24,285 --> 00:38:25,505 defending Aleppo. 1050 00:38:27,469 --> 00:38:29,730 And I know that in the east, 1051 00:38:30,109 --> 00:38:31,650 the forces that were there 1052 00:38:32,429 --> 00:38:34,130 were steadfast. They stayed. 1053 00:38:35,949 --> 00:38:37,809 When they decided to stay, 1054 00:38:38,829 --> 00:38:41,710 the Russian forces and the commander of the 1055 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:42,885 Russian forces left, 1056 00:38:43,684 --> 00:38:45,065 and they went back to Khomeini. 1057 00:38:46,164 --> 00:38:47,844 Now at the same time, Russia was still 1058 00:38:47,844 --> 00:38:48,344 bombing 1059 00:38:49,125 --> 00:38:50,105 the HTS 1060 00:38:50,644 --> 00:38:53,144 supply lines. I think we talked about this. 1061 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,839 But they left them. They abandoned the Syrian 1062 00:38:57,839 --> 00:38:58,819 army that that 1063 00:38:59,199 --> 00:38:59,699 didn't 1064 00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,599 withdraw from the eastern side. And in fact, 1065 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,000 that particular brigade then went down to the 1066 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,079 south of Aleppo and liberated the people that 1067 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,179 had been trapped in the Al Safira area 1068 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:13,174 to the south of Aleppo, which consisted of 1069 00:39:13,474 --> 00:39:15,094 military cadets, civilians, 1070 00:39:16,355 --> 00:39:18,454 evacuees from Nobile and Zara, 1071 00:39:19,074 --> 00:39:21,335 the Shia towns to the northwest of Aleppo. 1072 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:27,460 Then was when 1073 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:31,059 this kind of strange collapse seemed to 1074 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,860 start 1075 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,780 at this point. Now 1076 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,079 in defense of the Syrian Army, because a 1077 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,195 lot of people are being very critical, there 1078 00:39:38,195 --> 00:39:39,494 are videos circulating 1079 00:39:39,954 --> 00:39:42,934 of a Russian Humvee driving past them, like, 1080 00:39:43,235 --> 00:39:45,474 swearing at them and calling them cowards and 1081 00:39:45,474 --> 00:39:46,135 so on. 1082 00:39:47,715 --> 00:39:48,215 But 1083 00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:50,835 you know what? Like, the Syrian army has 1084 00:39:50,835 --> 00:39:53,609 been fighting for 14 years. They're paid on 1085 00:39:53,609 --> 00:39:55,150 average between 30 1086 00:39:55,449 --> 00:39:56,909 to $50 a month. 1087 00:39:57,289 --> 00:39:59,869 Every terrorist is on around 2,000, 1088 00:40:00,489 --> 00:40:02,730 and that's without all of the profiteering and 1089 00:40:02,730 --> 00:40:04,829 the taxes that they take from the civilians 1090 00:40:04,969 --> 00:40:07,210 and and the general kind of corruption and 1091 00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:08,525 theft that goes on, 1092 00:40:09,545 --> 00:40:11,464 particularly in Idlib or in any of the 1093 00:40:11,464 --> 00:40:14,025 areas that they ever occupied. Right? And Babal 1094 00:40:14,025 --> 00:40:15,724 Hawa, which was the main humanitarian 1095 00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:18,525 crossing according to the UN, 1096 00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:20,605 was a trading post for 1097 00:40:20,905 --> 00:40:21,484 for HTS. 1098 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,320 So they had money rolling in, thanks to 1099 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:24,820 the 1100 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,200 to their backers in the EU and Turkey 1101 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,820 and the United States, etcetera. 1102 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,519 The Syrian army had been fighting for 14 1103 00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:34,340 years. From 1104 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,140 2020, 1105 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,820 many of them had been 1106 00:40:37,585 --> 00:40:40,385 decommissioned and then were brought back in, of 1107 00:40:40,385 --> 00:40:40,885 course. 1108 00:40:41,585 --> 00:40:43,285 There were a lot of rookie soldiers 1109 00:40:43,664 --> 00:40:46,065 in the young conscripts that had been brought 1110 00:40:46,065 --> 00:40:48,704 in since 2020 and really had no battle 1111 00:40:48,704 --> 00:40:51,099 experience at all. And when you've got that 1112 00:40:51,099 --> 00:40:53,679 kind of scenario and you're faced with overwhelming 1113 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:54,320 forces 1114 00:40:54,859 --> 00:40:57,659 that have been backed by NATO, weaponized by 1115 00:40:57,659 --> 00:40:59,359 NATO, trained by NATO, 1116 00:41:00,059 --> 00:41:02,059 have the equipment that has been given to 1117 00:41:02,059 --> 00:41:05,695 them by NATO member states either through Ukraine 1118 00:41:05,695 --> 00:41:06,675 or through Turkey. 1119 00:41:08,414 --> 00:41:10,034 Right? You are facing 1120 00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,655 overwhelming force. Plus then they had the drone 1121 00:41:12,655 --> 00:41:14,275 technology on top of that. 1122 00:41:15,295 --> 00:41:17,960 And someone who was actually on the field 1123 00:41:18,019 --> 00:41:20,659 in Hama told me that's what's killing us. 1124 00:41:20,659 --> 00:41:23,880 Like, they're they're just driving holes through our 1125 00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:25,619 lines because we can't 1126 00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:28,500 we don't have the defenses to be able 1127 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,704 to deal with the number of drones that 1128 00:41:30,704 --> 00:41:32,164 that they're throwing at us. 1129 00:41:33,984 --> 00:41:35,744 And so then, you know, we know the 1130 00:41:35,744 --> 00:41:38,324 story. In Homs, there was a degree of 1131 00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:41,045 resistance because Hezbollah 1132 00:41:41,849 --> 00:41:44,489 came into Homs because for them, Homs is 1133 00:41:44,489 --> 00:41:46,510 important because that's the 1134 00:41:47,289 --> 00:41:49,309 main part of their supply lines, 1135 00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:51,309 from Syria, 1136 00:41:51,849 --> 00:41:52,349 into 1137 00:41:52,650 --> 00:41:53,150 Lebanon. 1138 00:41:54,275 --> 00:41:56,434 And there were some Iranian forces still on 1139 00:41:56,434 --> 00:41:58,695 the ground at that point and Syrian army. 1140 00:41:58,994 --> 00:42:01,075 So to say that the whole army collapsed 1141 00:42:01,075 --> 00:42:02,614 is is a little bit unfair. 1142 00:42:03,795 --> 00:42:05,954 I think there were elements that kept fighting. 1143 00:42:05,954 --> 00:42:07,875 There was a lot of confusion. There was 1144 00:42:07,875 --> 00:42:10,530 a lot of jamming of signals between the 1145 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:12,610 brigades and their commanders and so on, so 1146 00:42:12,610 --> 00:42:14,390 instructions were not getting through. 1147 00:42:15,329 --> 00:42:16,150 But ultimately, 1148 00:42:16,930 --> 00:42:17,670 for me, 1149 00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:22,369 a deal was made long before this happened, 1150 00:42:22,369 --> 00:42:23,269 in my opinion. 1151 00:42:25,264 --> 00:42:27,184 And I think we talked about the fact 1152 00:42:27,184 --> 00:42:29,025 that for me, there was a very strong 1153 00:42:29,025 --> 00:42:31,184 possibility that Trump was going to try and 1154 00:42:31,184 --> 00:42:32,005 do a deal, 1155 00:42:32,704 --> 00:42:33,204 sacrifice 1156 00:42:33,664 --> 00:42:34,164 Assad. 1157 00:42:34,625 --> 00:42:38,085 Because by sacrificing Assad, he's keeping everyone happy. 1158 00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:40,699 Right? When I say everyone, I'm talking about 1159 00:42:40,699 --> 00:42:43,260 the the gulf states that have normalized with 1160 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:45,760 Israel, whether officially or not. They have normalized 1161 00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:46,559 with Israel. 1162 00:42:47,099 --> 00:42:48,780 So when you say when you say sacrificing 1163 00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:50,320 Assad, you mean a deal with Russia? 1164 00:42:50,815 --> 00:42:53,815 Yeah. Mhmm. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Because it 1165 00:42:53,934 --> 00:42:55,695 it's the only one that makes sense to 1166 00:42:55,695 --> 00:42:56,675 me. Mhmm. 1167 00:42:56,974 --> 00:42:57,474 Because 1168 00:42:58,894 --> 00:43:00,275 Iran, to a degree 1169 00:43:02,974 --> 00:43:04,994 you know, I think Iran had genuinely 1170 00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:07,030 attempted 1171 00:43:07,570 --> 00:43:10,609 to offer support to Assad. I was told 1172 00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:11,590 by a number of, 1173 00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:13,190 contacts in Iran 1174 00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:15,190 that they understood 1175 00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:19,250 relatively quickly that there wasn't going to be 1176 00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:21,675 a major stand. So for them, that meant 1177 00:43:21,675 --> 00:43:24,155 that they will withdraw because for them to 1178 00:43:24,155 --> 00:43:27,114 increase their troop presence would would not be 1179 00:43:27,114 --> 00:43:28,954 correct. If it and and that's why you 1180 00:43:28,954 --> 00:43:30,655 saw them saying, we need a request 1181 00:43:31,195 --> 00:43:32,954 from the Syrian government to come in, and 1182 00:43:32,954 --> 00:43:34,954 then we'll come in. We're perfectly prepared to 1183 00:43:34,954 --> 00:43:37,389 do that. And everyone here was like, okay. 1184 00:43:37,389 --> 00:43:38,210 Make the request. 1185 00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:39,650 Mhmm. You know? 1186 00:43:39,949 --> 00:43:41,550 And I think But it it it didn't 1187 00:43:41,550 --> 00:43:42,050 come. 1188 00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:44,750 I I I saw reporting around that time 1189 00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:47,230 that even right before we talked that Syrian 1190 00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:49,070 government had actually asked, in some cases, the 1191 00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:51,309 Iranian elements to move back and to and 1192 00:43:51,309 --> 00:43:53,534 to leave the area. So, like, so so 1193 00:43:53,534 --> 00:43:54,994 right there, do you think that 1194 00:43:56,014 --> 00:43:57,534 like you said, so there's a deal that 1195 00:43:57,534 --> 00:43:59,695 was before this. So that that makes sense 1196 00:43:59,695 --> 00:44:01,635 in so far up to the point where 1197 00:44:01,695 --> 00:44:03,474 why wouldn't then Assad have 1198 00:44:04,014 --> 00:44:05,855 said something? Why wouldn't there be a different 1199 00:44:05,855 --> 00:44:07,135 response? Because it does seem to be as 1200 00:44:07,135 --> 00:44:09,160 if there was, like, unison in the original 1201 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,760 agreement to, like, not have much of a 1202 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,260 response. 1203 00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,000 But so just kind of connect the dots 1204 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,280 for me right there. So does that mean 1205 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,039 somebody screwed him over somehow and he didn't 1206 00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,059 see it? How do you see that connecting? 1207 00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,119 Well, I I mean, honestly, I do have 1208 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,335 to say I'm still working this one out. 1209 00:44:22,335 --> 00:44:23,234 Right? I know. 1210 00:44:23,534 --> 00:44:26,175 Yes. You're displaying really completely theorizing it. We 1211 00:44:26,175 --> 00:44:28,734 don't have we don't have all the facts. 1212 00:44:28,734 --> 00:44:29,234 But 1213 00:44:29,695 --> 00:44:32,275 that again is my issue with 1214 00:44:35,135 --> 00:44:36,034 people who 1215 00:44:37,949 --> 00:44:38,449 react 1216 00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:42,769 in a way that is in advance of 1217 00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:46,769 really knowing exactly what has happened. 1218 00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:49,949 There may be actions taken that they can't 1219 00:44:49,949 --> 00:44:50,449 explain. 1220 00:44:51,215 --> 00:44:52,515 But I you know, 1221 00:44:52,894 --> 00:44:55,155 I'll explain what I mean by this. Because 1222 00:44:55,215 --> 00:44:57,454 I think today, Reuters put out an article 1223 00:44:57,454 --> 00:45:00,574 and basically they were saying, you know, Assad 1224 00:45:00,574 --> 00:45:01,715 didn't warn anyone. 1225 00:45:02,815 --> 00:45:05,329 Various members of his close government had asked 1226 00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:07,250 him for advice and so on, and he 1227 00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:09,650 didn't respond. Or if he responded, he told 1228 00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:11,030 them every and and it 1229 00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:14,929 this doesn't make any sense to me. I 1230 00:45:14,929 --> 00:45:17,910 agree. You know, if I look at Assad 1231 00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:18,710 and 1232 00:45:19,175 --> 00:45:20,695 the the problem is now, of course, if 1233 00:45:20,695 --> 00:45:22,934 if you'd say anything in defense of Assad, 1234 00:45:22,934 --> 00:45:24,855 we're just back in that area where, yeah, 1235 00:45:24,855 --> 00:45:26,934 you're you're just an Assadist, you know, like 1236 00:45:26,934 --> 00:45:27,994 this kind of thing. 1237 00:45:28,375 --> 00:45:29,994 But I'm looking at this logically. 1238 00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:32,630 Like, how many weeks ago was he at 1239 00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:35,190 the Arab League summit and shaming the Gulf 1240 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:37,670 states? Because everyone was also saying, yeah, well, 1241 00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:39,930 the problem was that he pivoted towards, 1242 00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:42,730 the UAE and towards Saudi Arabia. 1243 00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:45,030 And he saw the future of Syria with 1244 00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:46,844 them, not with Iran and not with the 1245 00:45:47,005 --> 00:45:48,304 resistance. That's another, 1246 00:45:49,244 --> 00:45:51,885 narrative that's being brought into the kind of 1247 00:45:51,885 --> 00:45:54,364 melting pot. But then why did he shame 1248 00:45:54,364 --> 00:45:56,945 them at the Arab League summit very recently 1249 00:45:57,244 --> 00:45:59,565 Mhmm. About the genocide in Palestine? And he 1250 00:45:59,565 --> 00:46:01,949 was the most, you know, forceful speaker there 1251 00:46:01,949 --> 00:46:04,369 about what was happening in Palestine and that 1252 00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:06,429 there needed to be unity and they needed 1253 00:46:06,429 --> 00:46:08,750 to actually do something rather than just keep 1254 00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:11,070 talking about it. And this, you know, this 1255 00:46:11,070 --> 00:46:13,789 is President Assad. This is how consistent he's 1256 00:46:13,789 --> 00:46:14,289 been, 1257 00:46:15,184 --> 00:46:18,065 since he since he was president, really. We've 1258 00:46:18,065 --> 00:46:19,364 never seen any deviation 1259 00:46:19,664 --> 00:46:22,945 from him in his public speaking from, the 1260 00:46:22,945 --> 00:46:25,585 causes that he supports, the alliances that he 1261 00:46:25,585 --> 00:46:27,184 has, and so on. We've never seen him 1262 00:46:27,184 --> 00:46:29,690 deviate from this. And we've never really seen 1263 00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:31,549 Syria deviate from its alliance 1264 00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:32,909 to Russia 1265 00:46:33,929 --> 00:46:34,829 since 1946 1266 00:46:35,289 --> 00:46:38,329 and for which it's it's suffered endless CIA 1267 00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:40,429 and MI6 campaigns to remove 1268 00:46:41,465 --> 00:46:41,965 governments 1269 00:46:42,344 --> 00:46:45,085 and and coup d'etat and military interventions 1270 00:46:45,385 --> 00:46:47,144 and so on that have been ongoing for 1271 00:46:47,144 --> 00:46:48,204 75 years. 1272 00:46:49,065 --> 00:46:49,565 Because 1273 00:46:50,025 --> 00:46:52,585 their alliance with with Russia was what they 1274 00:46:52,585 --> 00:46:55,324 defended for that length of time. Mhmm. 1275 00:46:55,809 --> 00:46:57,109 But I think, 1276 00:47:00,049 --> 00:47:01,489 this is part of 1277 00:47:01,889 --> 00:47:04,449 and and, you know, I kind of I 1278 00:47:04,449 --> 00:47:06,449 I do have to say I don't have 1279 00:47:06,449 --> 00:47:08,769 any evidence to support this, but I'm just 1280 00:47:08,769 --> 00:47:09,269 using 1281 00:47:10,445 --> 00:47:12,625 my logic right now. Mhmm. 1282 00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:15,585 Why would he act so out of character 1283 00:47:16,204 --> 00:47:19,644 having fought for 14 years to defend the 1284 00:47:19,644 --> 00:47:21,025 country and to defend, 1285 00:47:21,644 --> 00:47:22,304 the people? 1286 00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:25,670 Why would he ignore his closest 1287 00:47:25,969 --> 00:47:29,170 advisers and his closest government members and leave 1288 00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:31,829 them in a situation where they're at risk 1289 00:47:32,369 --> 00:47:32,869 fundamentally? 1290 00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:35,110 Unless 1291 00:47:36,204 --> 00:47:37,105 he is 1292 00:47:37,484 --> 00:47:39,484 part of the deal is that he's not 1293 00:47:39,484 --> 00:47:41,164 allowed to do that. Now why is he 1294 00:47:41,164 --> 00:47:43,405 not allowed to do that? If I put 1295 00:47:43,405 --> 00:47:45,505 myself in a kind of Mossad 1296 00:47:46,125 --> 00:47:46,625 psychology 1297 00:47:48,925 --> 00:47:49,425 area, 1298 00:47:50,869 --> 00:47:52,789 that would be the best thing for them 1299 00:47:52,789 --> 00:47:55,130 to make him do. Why? Because that 1300 00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:57,210 increases the demoralization 1301 00:47:59,190 --> 00:48:00,090 by £100,000,000. 1302 00:48:03,085 --> 00:48:03,585 Right? 1303 00:48:04,125 --> 00:48:07,405 Which then completely ends any potential for counter 1304 00:48:07,405 --> 00:48:10,445 resistance or any kind of resistance against what's 1305 00:48:10,445 --> 00:48:10,945 happening. 1306 00:48:11,804 --> 00:48:13,244 And friends of mine are saying, you know, 1307 00:48:13,244 --> 00:48:15,244 the anger against him in the streets right 1308 00:48:15,244 --> 00:48:17,550 now is something that they're shocked by it. 1309 00:48:18,510 --> 00:48:19,329 But it, 1310 00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:22,349 as I said, I'm just thinking out loud. 1311 00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:24,429 I'm just theorizing. I'm not saying that this 1312 00:48:24,429 --> 00:48:25,969 is definitely what happened, but 1313 00:48:26,269 --> 00:48:28,050 it's all too odd for me. 1314 00:48:28,590 --> 00:48:30,269 So I'm just trying to kind of think 1315 00:48:30,269 --> 00:48:31,489 what might have happened. 1316 00:48:32,364 --> 00:48:33,885 Well, taking it on to the point of 1317 00:48:33,885 --> 00:48:35,664 time. I, you know, I do think 1318 00:48:37,005 --> 00:48:38,684 the one who would make a deal would 1319 00:48:38,684 --> 00:48:41,485 be Russia. Why? Because Trump is incoming, and 1320 00:48:41,485 --> 00:48:43,405 we talked about this. That when Trump comes 1321 00:48:43,405 --> 00:48:45,744 in, everyone thinks they can do a deal. 1322 00:48:46,019 --> 00:48:48,179 And Trump has been laboring the fact. That 1323 00:48:48,179 --> 00:48:50,179 was his main campaign promise that he would 1324 00:48:50,179 --> 00:48:52,019 end the war in Ukraine. So even for 1325 00:48:52,019 --> 00:48:54,340 Trump, there is there is a degree of 1326 00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:56,099 importance for him to end the war in 1327 00:48:56,099 --> 00:48:58,420 Ukraine so that he looks as if he's 1328 00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:00,440 maintaining his campaign promises. 1329 00:49:01,635 --> 00:49:02,135 So 1330 00:49:02,434 --> 00:49:04,614 what if there's a deal made between 1331 00:49:05,074 --> 00:49:05,974 Russia and 1332 00:49:06,355 --> 00:49:06,855 Trump 1333 00:49:07,315 --> 00:49:09,574 that make huge concessions on Ukraine, 1334 00:49:09,954 --> 00:49:11,735 but Russia gives them Assad 1335 00:49:12,835 --> 00:49:14,295 and gives them Syria? 1336 00:49:14,909 --> 00:49:16,829 And, of course, it's not only to the 1337 00:49:16,829 --> 00:49:19,329 US, it's to Turkey and Israel also. Right. 1338 00:49:19,549 --> 00:49:20,989 Well, so this is where the next and 1339 00:49:20,989 --> 00:49:22,130 again, it can't express 1340 00:49:22,429 --> 00:49:25,469 clearly all theoretical that the the logic around 1341 00:49:25,469 --> 00:49:27,089 it, then why then would Assad 1342 00:49:27,515 --> 00:49:29,114 play into that? What does he gain from 1343 00:49:29,114 --> 00:49:30,635 that situation? And so, let me if I 1344 00:49:30,635 --> 00:49:32,074 will if I could, let me float what 1345 00:49:32,074 --> 00:49:33,994 I based on what you laid out for 1346 00:49:33,994 --> 00:49:36,155 us last time and your ongoing work and 1347 00:49:36,155 --> 00:49:37,594 a lot of others like, is 1348 00:49:38,075 --> 00:49:40,954 Mhmm. Isabella Fiorella, Isabella or Fi why am 1349 00:49:40,954 --> 00:49:42,164 I blanking on her name all of a 1350 00:49:42,164 --> 00:49:43,679 sudden? I always do that. I feel like 1351 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:44,659 I'm mixing it. Isabelle. 1352 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,000 I just call her Fiorella all the time, 1353 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,219 so forget. But so 1354 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,119 the the a a lot of your guys 1355 00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:50,480 you're doing great work out there and trying 1356 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,840 to be objective and break this down. And 1357 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,019 so what I kind of same thing, theoretically 1358 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,760 trying to piece this together. What made sense 1359 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,114 to me is that, obviously, I and I 1360 00:49:58,114 --> 00:50:00,135 agree. What you've laid out over the years 1361 00:50:00,594 --> 00:50:02,614 and, of course, it could be some long 1362 00:50:02,835 --> 00:50:04,835 con, you know, lie about what he really 1363 00:50:04,835 --> 00:50:06,914 is, but he's been consistent about that, you 1364 00:50:06,914 --> 00:50:08,675 know, I don't believe he is the way 1365 00:50:08,675 --> 00:50:10,389 that they've framed him. I don't believe and, 1366 00:50:10,389 --> 00:50:12,230 again, with all the lies of chemical weapons 1367 00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:13,829 or the prison that you've proved, why would 1368 00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:15,030 they have to make these things up if 1369 00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:16,309 he's the monster they make him out to 1370 00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:18,389 be? Now I come from very, you know, 1371 00:50:18,389 --> 00:50:20,710 pessimist government perspective. I think any of them 1372 00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:22,309 could end up being something that's a problem, 1373 00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:23,590 but I would agree that I don't think 1374 00:50:23,590 --> 00:50:25,934 he is that. So keeping that in mind, 1375 00:50:26,234 --> 00:50:27,675 I would argue if his actions are being 1376 00:50:27,675 --> 00:50:29,275 taken that would that make him look this 1377 00:50:29,275 --> 00:50:30,714 way, it would be for something that would 1378 00:50:30,714 --> 00:50:32,234 benefit the people of the country or in 1379 00:50:32,234 --> 00:50:33,675 some way be the the greater good of 1380 00:50:33,675 --> 00:50:35,514 the situation. And so what makes sense to 1381 00:50:35,514 --> 00:50:37,275 me here would be that ultimately, there was 1382 00:50:37,275 --> 00:50:38,394 some kind of an a deal that was 1383 00:50:38,394 --> 00:50:40,019 made. And as you know, this was going 1384 00:50:40,019 --> 00:50:41,860 on before this point where I think they're 1385 00:50:41,860 --> 00:50:44,260 reporting that the Biden had government and to 1386 00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:45,860 and for those out there, you guys already 1387 00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:47,619 know this, I see the government of the 1388 00:50:47,619 --> 00:50:49,460 US making these deals whether Trump or Biden. 1389 00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:51,059 I think it's the same entity. Mhmm. But, 1390 00:50:51,059 --> 00:50:52,039 ultimately, that 1391 00:50:52,344 --> 00:50:54,505 that the agreement was made before with in 1392 00:50:54,505 --> 00:50:56,425 the interest of having him stop work in 1393 00:50:56,505 --> 00:50:59,244 with Lebanon, right, with Hezbollah. And so, ultimately, 1394 00:50:59,385 --> 00:51:00,744 the deal could have been for him to 1395 00:51:00,744 --> 00:51:02,824 to step back from this, potentially come you 1396 00:51:02,824 --> 00:51:04,905 know, relieve himself from power, which is what 1397 00:51:04,905 --> 00:51:07,085 Sputnik reported early in this that he resigned, 1398 00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:08,829 called for peaceful transition. So I don't know 1399 00:51:08,829 --> 00:51:10,829 whether it's relevant or not or or true 1400 00:51:10,829 --> 00:51:12,829 or not. But so, ultimately, that he resigned 1401 00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:14,670 with the interest of making this an e 1402 00:51:14,829 --> 00:51:16,909 like, again, I forgot to add that wherever 1403 00:51:16,909 --> 00:51:19,489 that with Ukraine being added to this, the 1404 00:51:20,164 --> 00:51:22,484 Russia has been overextended in that regard, I 1405 00:51:22,484 --> 00:51:23,605 think, when it comes to what's going on 1406 00:51:23,605 --> 00:51:25,364 with Syria to a degree. So maybe they 1407 00:51:25,364 --> 00:51:26,965 realized that we can't. We're in a position 1408 00:51:26,965 --> 00:51:29,125 where we can't protect what's gonna happen, so 1409 00:51:29,125 --> 00:51:30,644 they make a deal to ultimately say, okay. 1410 00:51:30,644 --> 00:51:32,164 I'll back away as long as there's a 1411 00:51:32,164 --> 00:51:34,905 peaceful transition and Syrians gonna elect their president. 1412 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,599 Right? And so I could see, as much 1413 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:37,880 as I don't think the US would ever 1414 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,359 respect it, the US government entering a deal 1415 00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:42,219 like that. And then Israel 1416 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:43,339 with Turkey 1417 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,639 blow inside of Syria and start taking over 1418 00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:47,239 all the territory. And then the US is 1419 00:51:47,319 --> 00:51:48,839 which, by the way, as you remember, US 1420 00:51:48,839 --> 00:51:50,625 has been in that position countless times in 1421 00:51:50,625 --> 00:51:52,385 the past, which I would argue they're just 1422 00:51:52,385 --> 00:51:53,824 as capable of lying and going in the 1423 00:51:53,824 --> 00:51:55,505 same direction. But where they do make a 1424 00:51:55,505 --> 00:51:57,585 deal and Israel just goes, we don't care. 1425 00:51:57,585 --> 00:51:58,945 We're gonna take what we want, and then 1426 00:51:58,945 --> 00:52:00,625 US has to defend that. They've I think 1427 00:52:00,625 --> 00:52:02,159 that's happened more than once in the past. 1428 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:03,440 So what do you think the likelihood of 1429 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,039 that is? And that ultimately, the US is 1430 00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:06,960 now hell bent on trying to make themselves 1431 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,960 look like they aren't being played as usual 1432 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,719 by Israel and trying to make it seem 1433 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,400 like this is what they wanted or defending 1434 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,099 the terrorist group that's now in charge. 1435 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,239 And that's what and then Assad is left 1436 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,460 kind of being screwed. 1437 00:52:17,945 --> 00:52:19,085 I think that what do you think of 1438 00:52:19,085 --> 00:52:20,204 that? Is it is it logical? 1439 00:52:20,744 --> 00:52:23,304 Yeah. Kind of. But I think you also 1440 00:52:23,304 --> 00:52:24,204 need to remember, 1441 00:52:25,304 --> 00:52:29,724 what they were courting Assad to do until 1442 00:52:30,025 --> 00:52:33,210 he canceled the whole thing in 2009, which, 1443 00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:35,849 of course, was the Qatari pipeline. Right. And 1444 00:52:35,849 --> 00:52:38,250 where did the Qatari pipeline run through? It 1445 00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:39,949 ran through Sfrio and, 1446 00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:43,630 Turkey. Mhmm. So it makes sense to me 1447 00:52:44,204 --> 00:52:46,305 that the US would enable 1448 00:52:46,684 --> 00:52:48,864 Turkey to get involved, for example. 1449 00:52:50,125 --> 00:52:52,945 And Qatar is the other beneficiary because, ultimately, 1450 00:52:53,005 --> 00:52:54,605 that means they go back to the and 1451 00:52:54,605 --> 00:52:56,204 and I think today, there were a few 1452 00:52:56,204 --> 00:52:57,184 headlines of 1453 00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:00,000 Erdogan and and Qatar talking 1454 00:53:00,460 --> 00:53:00,960 about 1455 00:53:01,420 --> 00:53:04,559 the reemergence of the pipeline project. Surprise. Surprise. 1456 00:53:05,179 --> 00:53:06,940 So, you know, so I think for the 1457 00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:08,480 US, that that's a major 1458 00:53:08,780 --> 00:53:10,480 win for them. Mhmm. 1459 00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:12,880 But I think also for, 1460 00:53:15,474 --> 00:53:18,195 Israel in particular, you know, of course, it 1461 00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:21,155 serves them. Syria will be plunged into chaos 1462 00:53:21,155 --> 00:53:21,655 and 1463 00:53:22,034 --> 00:53:25,175 never ending. It'll it'll basically become another Libya. 1464 00:53:25,554 --> 00:53:28,250 Right. But to a degree, even worse because 1465 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:30,429 not only will you have the warring factions 1466 00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:32,730 and and the kind of ethnic cleansing programs 1467 00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:34,889 that are ongoing at the moment, people in 1468 00:53:34,889 --> 00:53:36,590 Syria are terrified. 1469 00:53:38,545 --> 00:53:41,264 And, you know, you've got various factions that 1470 00:53:41,264 --> 00:53:43,264 know that they're gonna be a target gathering 1471 00:53:43,264 --> 00:53:45,184 at the Syrian border to get out. Many 1472 00:53:45,184 --> 00:53:47,445 of them don't have papers. It's horrendous. 1473 00:53:49,344 --> 00:53:49,844 Christian 1474 00:53:50,704 --> 00:53:52,244 churches have been desecrated 1475 00:53:52,704 --> 00:53:55,369 and, you know, and they're desperately trying to 1476 00:53:55,369 --> 00:53:55,869 maintain 1477 00:53:56,170 --> 00:53:57,550 this veneer of, 1478 00:53:58,489 --> 00:53:58,989 respectability. 1479 00:53:59,369 --> 00:54:01,610 But of course, like ultimately, what are they? 1480 00:54:01,610 --> 00:54:02,349 They're terrorists. 1481 00:54:02,730 --> 00:54:04,570 Right. You know, and they aren't going to 1482 00:54:04,570 --> 00:54:06,910 just have an epiphany overnight and become 1483 00:54:07,275 --> 00:54:09,594 good human beings. And and and that's another 1484 00:54:09,594 --> 00:54:11,934 thing. Now they're talking about lifting the bounty 1485 00:54:12,635 --> 00:54:15,434 on, Jelani or whatever his name is now, 1486 00:54:15,434 --> 00:54:16,494 Ahmed al Shaddah. 1487 00:54:17,275 --> 00:54:17,594 And, 1488 00:54:18,795 --> 00:54:20,255 and lifting the sanctions 1489 00:54:20,635 --> 00:54:21,135 and 1490 00:54:21,730 --> 00:54:22,230 preventing 1491 00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:23,030 refugees 1492 00:54:24,610 --> 00:54:28,050 from the minority sex inside Syria leaving and 1493 00:54:28,050 --> 00:54:30,289 and coming to Europe as refugees. I mean, 1494 00:54:30,289 --> 00:54:32,769 that for me is just pure criminality because 1495 00:54:32,769 --> 00:54:34,289 what they're saying is, no. We'll leave you 1496 00:54:34,289 --> 00:54:36,244 there to die. We'll trap you there to 1497 00:54:36,244 --> 00:54:36,744 die. 1498 00:54:37,204 --> 00:54:39,385 Yeah. To be persecuted. It's horrendous. 1499 00:54:40,085 --> 00:54:41,605 You know, when the when the and they're 1500 00:54:41,605 --> 00:54:42,105 paying 1501 00:54:43,765 --> 00:54:46,244 many of the refugees who came were were 1502 00:54:46,244 --> 00:54:47,545 members of the extremist 1503 00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,079 factions who escaped to Europe. Not all of 1504 00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:52,380 them, but many of them. 1505 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,380 And they're paying them €1,000 1506 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,319 or whatever the currency is to go back 1507 00:54:57,319 --> 00:54:57,980 to Syria. 1508 00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:00,519 Like, how does this work? You know? That 1509 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,619 just means, okay, we'll go back and reinforce 1510 00:55:04,125 --> 00:55:07,085 the Islamist extremist factions that are now ruling 1511 00:55:07,085 --> 00:55:09,744 Syria to ensure that you're even more powerful 1512 00:55:09,804 --> 00:55:10,784 and and the minorities 1513 00:55:11,085 --> 00:55:12,864 that are under threat can't come. 1514 00:55:14,204 --> 00:55:15,885 Well, an interesting point to make in that 1515 00:55:15,885 --> 00:55:17,324 too as well is that this is it's 1516 00:55:17,324 --> 00:55:17,824 it's 1517 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,180 the conversation usually from a US perspective around, 1518 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,119 the border conversation is about the military age 1519 00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:25,640 males and what that is. And, you know, 1520 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,400 what's interesting is you can find that here's 1521 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,720 a good example of who who's actually funding 1522 00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:31,559 and arming and and putting this into act, 1523 00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:33,164 which be the US and Israel and Turkey, 1524 00:55:33,164 --> 00:55:34,925 I would guess as well, in the context 1525 00:55:34,925 --> 00:55:37,325 of the actual terrorist entities being within the 1526 00:55:37,325 --> 00:55:39,965 refugee element. And, ultimately, then what happens is 1527 00:55:39,965 --> 00:55:43,405 the Syrian people who are actually innocent people 1528 00:55:43,405 --> 00:55:45,005 in the situation get the brunt of the 1529 00:55:45,005 --> 00:55:47,405 problem because it's it's the same cycle everywhere 1530 00:55:47,405 --> 00:55:48,980 you look. You know? And in in other 1531 00:55:48,980 --> 00:55:50,659 cases, it ends up being well, even like 1532 00:55:50,659 --> 00:55:51,859 right now with, like, the border in the 1533 00:55:51,859 --> 00:55:54,420 United States or in general, the immigration conversation 1534 00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:56,659 is you're it's the average people become the 1535 00:55:56,659 --> 00:55:58,980 focal point as the enemy when in reality, 1536 00:55:58,980 --> 00:56:00,579 they're the ones being used by this kind 1537 00:56:00,579 --> 00:56:02,179 of situation. I thought that was just irrelevant 1538 00:56:02,179 --> 00:56:02,925 to point out. 1539 00:56:03,485 --> 00:56:05,265 I wanted to ask you about the, 1540 00:56:05,804 --> 00:56:08,844 Saad speech because you you you would, put 1541 00:56:08,844 --> 00:56:10,125 it out on Twitter in general that if 1542 00:56:10,125 --> 00:56:12,125 anybody has information about why that might not 1543 00:56:12,125 --> 00:56:14,204 have been put out and you reference a 1544 00:56:14,204 --> 00:56:16,204 source inside the Syrian government, they had claimed 1545 00:56:16,204 --> 00:56:17,644 that there was a speech that hadn't gone 1546 00:56:17,644 --> 00:56:19,309 out. So I wonder your thoughts on that 1547 00:56:19,610 --> 00:56:20,890 kind of to put a pin in this 1548 00:56:20,890 --> 00:56:22,650 part of the conversation, as you referenced about 1549 00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:24,570 Assad and my point about why he wouldn't 1550 00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:26,329 have said anything. I think the speech is 1551 00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:28,410 a really important part of why, like the 1552 00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:28,910 demoralization 1553 00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:30,489 to it and, and you know, why they, 1554 00:56:30,489 --> 00:56:32,170 people are angry with him now who might've 1555 00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:33,470 otherwise support him. 1556 00:56:34,194 --> 00:56:36,275 Yeah. And I think, you know, that that's, 1557 00:56:36,275 --> 00:56:38,775 as I said, a very typical tactic 1558 00:56:39,554 --> 00:56:42,675 of the Zionists and even British intelligence agents 1559 00:56:42,675 --> 00:56:44,614 is this kind of mind manipulation 1560 00:56:45,234 --> 00:56:46,855 game, you know, that they play. 1561 00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:49,769 And and it that's why it just started 1562 00:56:49,769 --> 00:56:51,449 to dawn on me. Well, that would make 1563 00:56:51,449 --> 00:56:53,949 sense because then that would even alienate. 1564 00:56:54,409 --> 00:56:55,869 That that would reduce 1565 00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:56,670 any 1566 00:56:56,969 --> 00:56:57,869 of his credibility, 1567 00:56:58,170 --> 00:57:00,809 basically, even with people that were close to 1568 00:57:00,809 --> 00:57:03,069 him, which then would cascade down 1569 00:57:03,585 --> 00:57:06,005 into normal society. Right? 1570 00:57:07,264 --> 00:57:09,664 Because effectively, that would mean that he's putting 1571 00:57:09,664 --> 00:57:11,125 his own people at risk 1572 00:57:11,664 --> 00:57:12,565 rather than 1573 00:57:13,425 --> 00:57:15,984 I suppose the idea that was being put 1574 00:57:15,984 --> 00:57:18,484 forward was that he was going to leave 1575 00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:20,409 in order to prevent bloodshed. 1576 00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:22,949 Exactly. You're right. There there was originally a 1577 00:57:22,949 --> 00:57:24,329 deal that there would be 1578 00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:27,829 a transitional government. He would remain for 6 1579 00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:30,009 months, and then it would get handed over. 1580 00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:30,809 Now, 1581 00:57:31,385 --> 00:57:32,605 potentially, of course, 1582 00:57:32,984 --> 00:57:34,905 there may have been a scenario where he 1583 00:57:35,065 --> 00:57:36,925 there would have been another Gaddafi, 1584 00:57:38,585 --> 00:57:40,525 and it could be that whoever 1585 00:57:40,905 --> 00:57:43,224 made the deal and was managing it said 1586 00:57:43,224 --> 00:57:44,824 to him, no. Like, you've just got to 1587 00:57:44,824 --> 00:57:47,039 go because the risk is too high. 1588 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,780 And and, you know, 1589 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,719 we don't know. I mean, that's the bottom 1590 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,739 line. At the moment, we're we're just speculating 1591 00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:57,059 with the information that we have. 1592 00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:00,635 I can tell you one thing, though. I 1593 00:58:00,635 --> 00:58:01,994 was gonna say that the the story they're 1594 00:58:01,994 --> 00:58:03,755 putting forward clearly is not the truth. They're 1595 00:58:03,755 --> 00:58:05,114 not the answer to this. And I think 1596 00:58:05,114 --> 00:58:07,194 that's quite obvious. No. And I think the 1597 00:58:07,194 --> 00:58:08,014 speech thing, 1598 00:58:08,954 --> 00:58:11,614 because, you know, I was told that by 1599 00:58:12,074 --> 00:58:14,260 2 people that I know to be sort 1600 00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:16,760 of very trustworthy as regards information. 1601 00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:19,000 And it kind of made sense to me 1602 00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:21,239 that he would have prepared something 1603 00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:24,680 like that. Right. Now in the Reuters article, 1604 00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:27,079 one of his, top advisers, 1605 00:58:27,380 --> 00:58:27,880 apparently, 1606 00:58:28,434 --> 00:58:30,755 if this is to be believed, he called 1607 00:58:30,755 --> 00:58:32,835 them to come and help him write the 1608 00:58:32,835 --> 00:58:33,335 speech. 1609 00:58:33,875 --> 00:58:36,135 But when they got there, he wasn't there. 1610 00:58:37,315 --> 00:58:39,554 Right? So that that's one aspect to it. 1611 00:58:39,554 --> 00:58:41,554 You know, because that's the thing. There's so 1612 00:58:41,554 --> 00:58:43,969 many different narratives going on and floating around 1613 00:58:43,969 --> 00:58:46,530 now and people are getting very emotionally invested 1614 00:58:46,530 --> 00:58:48,069 in it and getting very angry. 1615 00:58:48,449 --> 00:58:50,609 And therefore, it becomes very difficult to sort 1616 00:58:50,609 --> 00:58:51,910 of have a, 1617 00:58:53,089 --> 00:58:56,050 a reasonable conversation with anyone about what has 1618 00:58:56,050 --> 00:58:57,030 actually happened. 1619 00:58:58,324 --> 00:59:00,244 But I think with the speech and and 1620 00:59:00,244 --> 00:59:02,324 I was contacted by other people who said 1621 00:59:02,324 --> 00:59:04,005 they'd seen it on Facebook and that it 1622 00:59:04,005 --> 00:59:05,625 was immediately taken down. 1623 00:59:06,164 --> 00:59:08,085 So people are kind of like, what is 1624 00:59:08,085 --> 00:59:09,924 going on? You know? Did he make a 1625 00:59:09,924 --> 00:59:12,030 speech? Did I, For me, again, it's still 1626 00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:14,190 very difficult to believe that he didn't. I 1627 00:59:14,190 --> 00:59:16,910 agree. He didn't attempt to communicate with people, 1628 00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:18,130 that he just disappeared. 1629 00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:20,289 And I think at that point, 1630 00:59:20,829 --> 00:59:23,010 pressure was put on him to do so 1631 00:59:23,534 --> 00:59:25,855 for whatever reasons. I don't know. Maybe to 1632 00:59:25,855 --> 00:59:26,755 save his life. 1633 00:59:27,135 --> 00:59:28,114 Maybe to, 1634 00:59:28,734 --> 00:59:29,795 say, you know, 1635 00:59:30,175 --> 00:59:32,255 reduce the risk to his family. It could 1636 00:59:32,255 --> 00:59:34,194 be any manner of things like, 1637 00:59:34,494 --> 00:59:36,815 you know, because I've been speaking to to 1638 00:59:36,815 --> 00:59:39,000 people that even for me disappeared off the 1639 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,440 radar, there were there were, 1640 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,960 National Defense Forces leaders that just disappeared from 1641 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,460 me and have only just reappeared right now. 1642 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,860 But I don't know what happened to them 1643 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,960 between the time that it was decided they 1644 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,719 had to just get out. And most of 1645 00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:54,735 them have left with nothing. Like, 1646 00:59:55,934 --> 00:59:57,855 literally just the clothes on their back. So 1647 00:59:57,855 --> 01:00:00,195 obviously, there was an urgency involved. 1648 01:00:00,735 --> 01:00:03,614 Right? Yeah. And And and maybe as part 1649 01:00:03,614 --> 01:00:05,934 of that deal, when they realized that that 1650 01:00:05,934 --> 01:00:08,335 the risk was too great, everything had to 1651 01:00:08,335 --> 01:00:11,170 just end there and then and there. Right. 1652 01:00:11,170 --> 01:00:12,470 But, you know, it's 1653 01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:14,849 as I said, what I'm just trying to 1654 01:00:14,849 --> 01:00:15,570 put stuff to get 1655 01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:21,430 It's like we lost you again. 1656 01:00:23,625 --> 01:00:24,985 Well, I'll just add one point on it 1657 01:00:24,985 --> 01:00:26,905 that I'll hopefully, we get you back here 1658 01:00:26,905 --> 01:00:27,965 that I think that's 1659 01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:30,025 it it just the only thing that sticks 1660 01:00:30,025 --> 01:00:31,625 out to me is something that doesn't line 1661 01:00:31,625 --> 01:00:33,385 up with this is that why they wouldn't 1662 01:00:33,385 --> 01:00:34,684 be saying something now? 1663 01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:37,545 Why wouldn't Putin or Assad or somebody in 1664 01:00:37,545 --> 01:00:39,829 there? Or just just those 2 in particular. 1665 01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:41,849 Why would they have not, to this point, 1666 01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:44,710 have said something about that? You know, what 1667 01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:46,630 even, like, the I guess, to answer my 1668 01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:48,309 own question is that I think the point 1669 01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:51,210 would be, again, completely hypothetical, theorizing 1670 01:00:51,664 --> 01:00:53,264 is that there must be some kind of 1671 01:00:53,264 --> 01:00:54,804 factor that's holding that back. 1672 01:00:55,105 --> 01:00:57,105 Whether it's in their interest for some longer 1673 01:00:57,105 --> 01:00:59,585 play or that ultimately it's because there's some 1674 01:00:59,585 --> 01:01:01,684 kind of factor that's being used against them. 1675 01:01:01,824 --> 01:01:03,585 Somebody that they're holding or I yeah. Who 1676 01:01:03,585 --> 01:01:05,010 knows? But that that is the only way 1677 01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:06,369 that makes sense to me. I just can't 1678 01:01:06,369 --> 01:01:08,610 wrap my mind around why at this point, 1679 01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:10,050 oh, looks like we lost her, which comes 1680 01:01:10,050 --> 01:01:11,750 back, that they would not have 1681 01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:14,289 said something or or made that clear by 1682 01:01:14,289 --> 01:01:15,730 now. Because the as for those that are 1683 01:01:15,730 --> 01:01:16,710 new to the conversation, 1684 01:01:17,195 --> 01:01:20,315 it's been reported by Russian media, Russian sources 1685 01:01:20,315 --> 01:01:20,815 as, 1686 01:01:21,355 --> 01:01:23,355 per predominantly, I think, Russian sources that he 1687 01:01:23,355 --> 01:01:25,534 fled to Moscow and is in Moscow safely 1688 01:01:25,594 --> 01:01:27,114 is the is the narrative. But I we 1689 01:01:27,114 --> 01:01:29,135 have yet to seen any see any video, 1690 01:01:29,195 --> 01:01:30,094 any statements. 1691 01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:32,659 I'm that's very strange. So I also could 1692 01:01:32,659 --> 01:01:34,260 be possible that he's not alive anymore and 1693 01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:36,420 that's that would indicate, I guess, that Russia 1694 01:01:36,420 --> 01:01:37,780 would be involved in some way. Again, it's 1695 01:01:37,780 --> 01:01:39,319 com all completely up in the air. 1696 01:01:39,619 --> 01:01:41,299 But, assuming we don't if we don't get 1697 01:01:41,299 --> 01:01:42,659 her back, I'm just gonna go through a 1698 01:01:42,659 --> 01:01:44,085 few, we had a few more things we're 1699 01:01:44,085 --> 01:01:45,364 gonna get into. I was gonna go a 1700 01:01:45,364 --> 01:01:47,605 lot longer than an hour today, but, we 1701 01:01:47,605 --> 01:01:49,204 might have just lost her. Remember that she 1702 01:01:49,204 --> 01:01:51,045 is actually, I'm not even sure where she 1703 01:01:51,045 --> 01:01:52,324 went to. Maybe she doesn't want us to 1704 01:01:52,324 --> 01:01:53,525 know where she is now because of for 1705 01:01:53,525 --> 01:01:55,769 safety reasons. Remember, she was in Syria and 1706 01:01:55,769 --> 01:01:57,610 she got out right right when this was 1707 01:01:57,610 --> 01:01:59,690 all getting pretty hairy, and she is obviously 1708 01:01:59,690 --> 01:02:01,690 safe now. But so I'll I'll go through 1709 01:02:01,690 --> 01:02:03,369 some other points then, and hopefully we get 1710 01:02:03,369 --> 01:02:04,110 her back. 1711 01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:07,130 What I will do actually since let me 1712 01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:08,269 do this real quick. 1713 01:02:08,934 --> 01:02:10,795 That works that way anyway. So 1714 01:02:11,654 --> 01:02:13,335 what I'll highlight again and see if we 1715 01:02:13,414 --> 01:02:14,454 it will all just kind of wrap to 1716 01:02:14,454 --> 01:02:16,054 these tabs. If she doesn't come back, we'll 1717 01:02:16,054 --> 01:02:18,214 kind of finish up there. That highly recommend 1718 01:02:18,214 --> 01:02:19,574 you check out the interview we had on 1719 01:02:19,574 --> 01:02:21,414 the first. Oh, there we go. We got 1720 01:02:21,414 --> 01:02:22,234 her back now. 1721 01:02:24,369 --> 01:02:25,750 Sorry. There you are. So 1722 01:02:26,849 --> 01:02:28,949 all all I really had said was that, 1723 01:02:29,409 --> 01:02:30,550 what I found interesting, 1724 01:02:31,090 --> 01:02:33,170 the one anomaly to what we highlighted there, 1725 01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:35,670 again, very clearly expressing this is completely theoretical, 1726 01:02:35,890 --> 01:02:38,144 is that why neither Putin nor Assad would've 1727 01:02:38,144 --> 01:02:39,985 said anything at this point? Why they wouldn't 1728 01:02:39,985 --> 01:02:42,065 have posted anything or shared anything? And all 1729 01:02:42,065 --> 01:02:43,844 I simply added to answer my own question, 1730 01:02:43,985 --> 01:02:45,985 hypothetically, is that it would make sense to 1731 01:02:45,985 --> 01:02:47,824 me that that would indicate that there's some 1732 01:02:47,824 --> 01:02:50,224 factor that's stopping that. Whether this is in 1733 01:02:50,224 --> 01:02:51,824 their interest to hold it back for some 1734 01:02:51,824 --> 01:02:53,360 longer play, which I also 1735 01:02:53,660 --> 01:02:55,740 did consider earlier about whether this is, you 1736 01:02:55,740 --> 01:02:57,820 know, that there was a strategic defeat for 1737 01:02:57,820 --> 01:03:00,140 the interest of the full resistance, which day 1738 01:03:00,140 --> 01:03:01,500 by day seems less likely. I'll give you 1739 01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:03,820 that. But considering that whether there was something 1740 01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:06,385 larger that they thought maybe allowing Israel to 1741 01:03:06,385 --> 01:03:08,545 overextend itself, you know. Anyway, the point being 1742 01:03:08,545 --> 01:03:11,025 that why why they wouldn't have said anything 1743 01:03:11,025 --> 01:03:12,424 now to this point either that it was 1744 01:03:12,424 --> 01:03:14,065 in their interest not to or that maybe 1745 01:03:14,065 --> 01:03:15,824 there's somebody that's being held or, you know, 1746 01:03:15,824 --> 01:03:17,505 there's a factor that they can't for some 1747 01:03:17,505 --> 01:03:19,264 reason, you know, coercion or I don't know. 1748 01:03:19,264 --> 01:03:20,579 But that's the thing that stands out to 1749 01:03:20,579 --> 01:03:21,619 me is it doesn't make sense to me 1750 01:03:21,619 --> 01:03:23,059 why they wouldn't have said something at this 1751 01:03:23,059 --> 01:03:25,140 point, assuming he's safe in Moscow, which is 1752 01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:27,000 also potentially not true as 1753 01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:29,000 well. Yeah. 1754 01:03:30,260 --> 01:03:30,920 I mean 1755 01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:33,140 yeah. I mean, it was interesting in the 1756 01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:35,335 Reuters article. They sent they said that they 1757 01:03:35,335 --> 01:03:37,735 reached out to President Assad in Moscow. I'm 1758 01:03:37,735 --> 01:03:39,255 not quite sure how they managed to do 1759 01:03:39,255 --> 01:03:40,315 that. Yeah. 1760 01:03:41,094 --> 01:03:42,855 You know, and and the article was written, 1761 01:03:42,855 --> 01:03:45,494 I think, by 3 people, which we commented 1762 01:03:45,494 --> 01:03:46,555 on earlier was 1763 01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:48,949 a little bit excessive. I mean, there wasn't 1764 01:03:48,949 --> 01:03:51,510 an awful lot of actual information in there. 1765 01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:53,829 But they were pushing this narrative that that 1766 01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:56,710 basically he'd betrayed all of his closest people 1767 01:03:56,949 --> 01:03:59,369 Right. And and left them 1768 01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:00,730 at great risk. 1769 01:04:03,565 --> 01:04:04,704 Yeah. I mean, 1770 01:04:05,005 --> 01:04:07,425 I guess, really, we just have to watch 1771 01:04:07,565 --> 01:04:08,224 the messaging 1772 01:04:08,525 --> 01:04:09,585 from Russia, 1773 01:04:11,244 --> 01:04:12,065 and Iran 1774 01:04:12,365 --> 01:04:15,405 and and potentially from Assad or maybe he 1775 01:04:15,405 --> 01:04:15,905 won't. 1776 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,440 You know, maybe we're just not gonna see 1777 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:19,099 him again. 1778 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,339 I don't know. Yeah. Like, this this is 1779 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,199 even here in in Lebanon, you know, there's 1780 01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:24,699 there's 1781 01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:27,719 conversations going on all over the place about 1782 01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:29,339 what actually happened because 1783 01:04:30,324 --> 01:04:32,485 there's a lot of confusion. And that's the 1784 01:04:32,485 --> 01:04:35,045 thing that that was most noticeable, you know, 1785 01:04:35,045 --> 01:04:37,765 when the armed when the terrorist forces were 1786 01:04:37,765 --> 01:04:40,005 drawing close to Damascus. Nobody knew what was 1787 01:04:40,005 --> 01:04:42,184 going on. Mhmm. I mean, even for myself, 1788 01:04:42,244 --> 01:04:43,844 at one point, I was told I should 1789 01:04:43,844 --> 01:04:46,360 leave. The next minute, I spoke to someone, 1790 01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:48,980 in Damascus, and and they said, no. No. 1791 01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:50,820 It's fine. You know, the president is still 1792 01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:52,820 here. I'm staying here. I'm not going and 1793 01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:54,519 so on. So I was like, oh, alright. 1794 01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:56,180 Then someone else told me, well, there's a 1795 01:04:56,180 --> 01:04:58,180 ceasefire coming in 8 hours, so we've just 1796 01:04:58,180 --> 01:04:59,719 gotta sit tight until 1797 01:05:00,394 --> 01:05:01,994 whatever time it was in the morning. So 1798 01:05:01,994 --> 01:05:04,155 I was like, you know, because ultimately, I 1799 01:05:04,155 --> 01:05:04,974 didn't really 1800 01:05:05,275 --> 01:05:06,954 want to leave because I knew it was 1801 01:05:06,954 --> 01:05:09,114 gonna be that would be it at that 1802 01:05:09,114 --> 01:05:10,255 point. Right. 1803 01:05:11,994 --> 01:05:13,534 And then suddenly, it became 1804 01:05:13,989 --> 01:05:14,809 those armed 1805 01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:17,849 groups all around the house, and Israel started 1806 01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:19,930 bunker buster bombing, 1807 01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:21,989 all the air defense around it. So I 1808 01:05:21,989 --> 01:05:23,829 was like, okay. No. I don't think we're 1809 01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:25,530 gonna get back from this, really. 1810 01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:28,390 Yeah. You know? And and then the decision 1811 01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:30,215 was made try and make it to the 1812 01:05:30,215 --> 01:05:31,755 border as fast as possible. 1813 01:05:32,454 --> 01:05:32,954 Yeah. 1814 01:05:33,735 --> 01:05:35,355 But, you know, that confusion 1815 01:05:36,695 --> 01:05:37,914 was incredibly, 1816 01:05:38,855 --> 01:05:39,355 damaging 1817 01:05:39,735 --> 01:05:40,394 for people 1818 01:05:40,695 --> 01:05:42,775 because there there was just a vacuum of 1819 01:05:42,775 --> 01:05:45,469 information. Nobody knew what was going on. Everyone 1820 01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:47,710 was kind of hearing things here and there 1821 01:05:47,929 --> 01:05:50,409 and making their own judgments, and those judgments 1822 01:05:50,409 --> 01:05:51,630 were not very reliable. 1823 01:05:52,090 --> 01:05:53,070 So Yeah. 1824 01:05:53,769 --> 01:05:55,630 Yeah. What whatever happened, 1825 01:05:57,130 --> 01:05:59,894 it created a very difficult situation 1826 01:06:00,194 --> 01:06:02,135 for the people in particular. 1827 01:06:02,755 --> 01:06:04,594 Yeah. I I think that, you know, again, 1828 01:06:04,594 --> 01:06:06,114 if there was a deal made, it seems 1829 01:06:06,114 --> 01:06:08,194 like that was clearly part of that. You 1830 01:06:08,194 --> 01:06:10,454 know, the the the silence, the the confusion, 1831 01:06:10,514 --> 01:06:14,054 the lack of information, like, clearly, like and 1832 01:06:15,130 --> 01:06:17,289 excuse me. The the who benefits aspect is 1833 01:06:17,289 --> 01:06:18,809 always an important question to ask. And I 1834 01:06:18,809 --> 01:06:21,130 think that's very clear in this context who 1835 01:06:21,130 --> 01:06:24,010 is benefiting from what's ultimately happening. So, again, 1836 01:06:24,010 --> 01:06:25,530 theoretical, we can leave it there for now 1837 01:06:25,530 --> 01:06:27,449 since it's it's, you know, we'll we'll I'm 1838 01:06:27,449 --> 01:06:28,989 sure we'll see as this goes forward. 1839 01:06:29,375 --> 01:06:31,295 I I wanted to get into a conversation 1840 01:06:31,295 --> 01:06:33,375 about what comes next. And since we were 1841 01:06:33,375 --> 01:06:35,454 just touching on this, in case you haven't 1842 01:06:35,454 --> 01:06:37,934 seen how obvious this is, right now, the 1843 01:06:38,014 --> 01:06:40,574 in in Syria, there are as I'm I 1844 01:06:40,574 --> 01:06:43,614 I even literally titled the show this where 1845 01:06:43,614 --> 01:06:44,355 was it? 1846 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:46,539 Right here. 1847 01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:50,280 Is as Israel further occupies Syria, western backed 1848 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,539 ISIS patch wearing terrorists begin executions. 1849 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,760 Like, that's how crazy this is. Like, literally 1850 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,119 right in front of us as we speak. 1851 01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:57,239 And I'll just, you know, just cut to 1852 01:06:57,239 --> 01:06:58,440 the chase. You can see it for yourself. 1853 01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,960 You know, there's you got guys with ISIS 1854 01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:00,460 patches 1855 01:07:00,795 --> 01:07:02,635 openly executing people in in the middle of 1856 01:07:02,635 --> 01:07:04,635 Syria. You can see right there with ice 1857 01:07:04,635 --> 01:07:06,074 patch. I mean and by the way, it's 1858 01:07:06,074 --> 01:07:07,994 it's very it's all and including that image 1859 01:07:07,994 --> 01:07:09,454 itself. That's actually from 1860 01:07:09,755 --> 01:07:11,594 I I checked it myself from that's from 1861 01:07:11,594 --> 01:07:13,440 all what's going on inside Syria right now. 1862 01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:14,960 And so, what's crazy is that not only 1863 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,819 do they have openly US Israeli, 1864 01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,839 Turkey backed extremists who are executing people, the 1865 01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:22,420 religious minorities in the streets, you know, ultimately 1866 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,319 that this and and well, actually, before we 1867 01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:26,639 go past that, it we did talk about 1868 01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:29,534 this in, many previous discussions. I was I 1869 01:07:29,534 --> 01:07:32,255 just grabbed 1. This is from February 11, 1870 01:07:32,255 --> 01:07:35,375 2020. Turkey and US openly protect extremists in 1871 01:07:35,375 --> 01:07:37,315 Idlib as lies begin to crumble. 1872 01:07:37,695 --> 01:07:39,454 So and we we briefly touched it before, 1873 01:07:39,454 --> 01:07:41,820 but just on Idlib itself. You know, for 1874 01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:43,660 those that don't know the relevance of that 1875 01:07:43,739 --> 01:07:45,660 so Hyatt Sheryl Shams, I understand it, was 1876 01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:46,960 basically, you know, 1877 01:07:48,380 --> 01:07:50,780 cultivated, if you will, percolate, whatever the right 1878 01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:52,539 term would be inside of Idlib. And that 1879 01:07:52,539 --> 01:07:54,460 means that, you know, so the US and 1880 01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:56,054 Turkey were provably 1881 01:07:56,434 --> 01:07:58,275 existing in that in that area. Right? So 1882 01:07:58,275 --> 01:07:59,795 break that down for somebody that wouldn't make 1883 01:07:59,795 --> 01:08:01,715 sense for. Like, in Brett McGurk's comments and 1884 01:08:01,715 --> 01:08:03,414 how that relates to where we are today. 1885 01:08:04,034 --> 01:08:05,394 Yeah. Well, as Brett McGurk, 1886 01:08:05,875 --> 01:08:07,875 described that, you know, what is that? Idlib 1887 01:08:07,875 --> 01:08:08,515 is the, 1888 01:08:08,914 --> 01:08:09,414 biggest 1889 01:08:10,469 --> 01:08:14,649 Al Qaeda haven since 9/11. And various other 1890 01:08:14,675 --> 01:08:18,854 comments were made like Ambassador Jeffreys, who was 1891 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,059 the Pompeo point man on Syria under Trump, 1892 01:08:23,244 --> 01:08:25,645 also made it clear that, you know, what 1893 01:08:25,645 --> 01:08:27,965 did he say? Al Qaeda is our asset 1894 01:08:27,965 --> 01:08:30,045 in inside Syria. And then going back to 1895 01:08:30,045 --> 01:08:33,324 Jake Sullivan, the email to Hillary Clinton that 1896 01:08:33,324 --> 01:08:35,425 Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria. 1897 01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:40,550 But, yeah, you know, the the the control 1898 01:08:40,869 --> 01:08:43,829 there weren't so many there weren't American bases, 1899 01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:45,689 but as I said, there were a 150 1900 01:08:45,909 --> 01:08:48,229 Turkish bases in the north and northwest of 1901 01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:48,729 Syria. 1902 01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:50,010 28 1903 01:08:50,445 --> 01:08:53,164 American bases in the northeast and kind of 1904 01:08:53,164 --> 01:08:56,225 central Syria around Manbij, and then the major 1905 01:08:56,685 --> 01:08:58,625 base of Al Tanf on the, 1906 01:08:59,085 --> 01:09:00,145 triangle between 1907 01:09:00,604 --> 01:09:01,585 Iraq and Jordan. 1908 01:09:02,925 --> 01:09:06,090 And we know that weapons were flowing into, 1909 01:09:06,869 --> 01:09:09,989 HTS for for years. When did the ceasefire 1910 01:09:09,989 --> 01:09:11,369 come into effect? 2020, 1911 01:09:12,310 --> 01:09:14,869 which was brokered between Russia and Turkey. And 1912 01:09:14,869 --> 01:09:16,010 from then on in, 1913 01:09:16,435 --> 01:09:19,074 those forces were being given the training and 1914 01:09:19,074 --> 01:09:20,835 the weapons and so on to be able 1915 01:09:20,835 --> 01:09:23,234 to to lead the attack that they did. 1916 01:09:23,234 --> 01:09:25,175 And really quickly They they were prepared. 1917 01:09:25,795 --> 01:09:27,094 At that point in time, 1918 01:09:28,034 --> 01:09:29,895 these were being regarded as 1919 01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:32,060 terrorists. Right? I mean, like, as you said, 1920 01:09:32,060 --> 01:09:34,619 Brett McGurk saying the the largest ice icon 1921 01:09:34,619 --> 01:09:36,619 of hot spot. And so at what point 1922 01:09:36,619 --> 01:09:38,220 did that shift? Or, I mean, even at 1923 01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:39,500 that point, they were still kinda playing it 1924 01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:41,420 both ways, right, where they were protecting it, 1925 01:09:41,420 --> 01:09:43,574 but it was terrorists. So it's like they've 1926 01:09:43,822 --> 01:09:45,554 I explain, how do they ever get away 1927 01:09:45,554 --> 01:09:47,234 with this dub this dual game they're playing 1928 01:09:47,234 --> 01:09:48,835 even right now where they're sort of supporting 1929 01:09:48,835 --> 01:09:50,875 them, but, yes, they're designated terrorists. You know 1930 01:09:50,875 --> 01:09:52,274 what I mean? We know they're hip hypocrites, 1931 01:09:52,274 --> 01:09:53,715 but for for someone this is new to, 1932 01:09:53,715 --> 01:09:55,094 like, how does that line up? 1933 01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:58,010 Well, I think, you know, again, it's this 1934 01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:58,649 sort of, 1935 01:09:59,210 --> 01:10:01,210 double game because the the fact is that 1936 01:10:01,210 --> 01:10:03,130 when they were being bust out of the 1937 01:10:03,130 --> 01:10:05,530 areas, taken out in the green buses from 1938 01:10:05,530 --> 01:10:07,449 the areas that were being liberated by the 1939 01:10:07,449 --> 01:10:09,310 Syrian Arab Army and their allies, 1940 01:10:10,314 --> 01:10:12,554 They were still being described as rebels at 1941 01:10:12,554 --> 01:10:15,755 that point. Right? They only became Al Qaeda 1942 01:10:15,755 --> 01:10:17,215 when they landed in Idlib. 1943 01:10:18,074 --> 01:10:20,314 Right? And and they weren't it wasn't sort 1944 01:10:20,314 --> 01:10:21,454 of a universal 1945 01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:25,449 labeling of them as terrorists. No, they maintained 1946 01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:28,730 the description of them as rebels 1947 01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:30,570 or then it became, 1948 01:10:31,190 --> 01:10:33,670 when, when Jelani formed his kind of, what 1949 01:10:33,670 --> 01:10:35,289 was it? Salvation government, 1950 01:10:36,074 --> 01:10:38,795 national salvation government in in Idlib. And then 1951 01:10:38,795 --> 01:10:41,215 suddenly, they became political opposition. 1952 01:10:42,074 --> 01:10:43,775 So to to a large degree, 1953 01:10:44,315 --> 01:10:45,695 the American establishment 1954 01:10:46,074 --> 01:10:48,954 never really altered its view that well, no. 1955 01:10:48,954 --> 01:10:51,375 No. You know, they're legitimate moderate rebels 1956 01:10:52,130 --> 01:10:55,109 like Timber Sycamore when Obama was funding 500 1957 01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:56,149 moderate rebels 1958 01:10:56,609 --> 01:10:58,770 inside Syria. And lo and behold, all of 1959 01:10:58,770 --> 01:11:00,770 the weapons and equipment was falling into the 1960 01:11:00,770 --> 01:11:01,670 hands of ISIS. 1961 01:11:02,130 --> 01:11:03,029 Surprise. Surprise. 1962 01:11:03,569 --> 01:11:05,329 Not to mention that the moderate rebels themselves 1963 01:11:05,329 --> 01:11:05,829 were 1964 01:11:06,265 --> 01:11:09,225 terrorist extremists. With ISIS anyway or right from 1965 01:11:09,225 --> 01:11:10,925 the very beginning, you know. 1966 01:11:11,864 --> 01:11:14,105 And of course, all of these groups were 1967 01:11:14,105 --> 01:11:15,565 were incubated anyway. 1968 01:11:15,945 --> 01:11:18,345 They were radicalized by the United States in 1969 01:11:18,345 --> 01:11:19,164 in the CIA, 1970 01:11:19,945 --> 01:11:20,845 black site. 1971 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,680 And that's the whole point because the US 1972 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:24,180 is 1973 01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,020 weaponizing terrorism 1974 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,360 since the war on terror. Terrorism globally has 1975 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:30,260 grown exponentially. 1976 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,960 So it's clearly not a war on terror. 1977 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,420 It's a war of terror 1978 01:11:35,085 --> 01:11:37,805 against anyone that stands in the way of 1979 01:11:37,805 --> 01:11:39,585 the US allied agenda, 1980 01:11:40,445 --> 01:11:43,085 in whichever region that they're focused on. Because, 1981 01:11:43,085 --> 01:11:44,145 of course, the same 1982 01:11:44,925 --> 01:11:48,545 terrorist factions are reappearing and are being rebranded 1983 01:11:48,765 --> 01:11:50,225 in Africa, in Yemen, 1984 01:11:51,909 --> 01:11:54,329 in Libya. I mean, they're just being percolated 1985 01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:55,929 around the globe wherever, 1986 01:11:57,109 --> 01:11:58,869 the US needs them. And when I'm talking 1987 01:11:58,869 --> 01:12:00,710 about the US, I'm talking about the entire 1988 01:12:00,710 --> 01:12:01,770 kind of alliance 1989 01:12:02,389 --> 01:12:02,889 of, 1990 01:12:03,670 --> 01:12:04,409 US hegemony. 1991 01:12:04,789 --> 01:12:06,494 I remember you and I having a conversation, 1992 01:12:06,494 --> 01:12:07,854 one of the many interviews of the past 1993 01:12:07,854 --> 01:12:09,774 where we laughed at the changing of the 1994 01:12:09,774 --> 01:12:11,534 name, I believe, Tahit Erl Sham. I forget 1995 01:12:11,534 --> 01:12:12,494 if it was that one or one of 1996 01:12:12,494 --> 01:12:14,255 the ones before it. But laughing about, oh, 1997 01:12:14,255 --> 01:12:15,614 just got a name change in the act. 1998 01:12:15,614 --> 01:12:17,215 And even and the corporate media just treat 1999 01:12:17,215 --> 01:12:18,829 it like something new. You know? It's Yeah. 2000 01:12:19,029 --> 01:12:20,949 Very transparent. No. No. I mean, they just 2001 01:12:20,949 --> 01:12:23,350 adopt it. And it's also a it's a 2002 01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:25,989 kind of way of confusing people. Mhmm. It's 2003 01:12:25,989 --> 01:12:28,149 a way of distancing them from the truth 2004 01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:28,649 because 2005 01:12:29,109 --> 01:12:30,949 most, you know, most people are not gonna 2006 01:12:30,949 --> 01:12:33,304 pay attention to the minutiae. They're just gonna 2007 01:12:33,304 --> 01:12:35,145 go, oh, well, okay. Now we're talking about 2008 01:12:35,145 --> 01:12:37,804 some group called Hyattoria Ostrava. Must be different. 2009 01:12:38,425 --> 01:12:38,925 Right? 2010 01:12:39,385 --> 01:12:41,625 They're they're they're not necessarily and and when 2011 01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:43,784 that name is used time and time again, 2012 01:12:43,784 --> 01:12:46,090 and then they start to rebrand, and and 2013 01:12:46,090 --> 01:12:48,989 Giovanni does interviews with PBS and CNN. 2014 01:12:49,689 --> 01:12:51,449 Then then people kind of and and now 2015 01:12:51,449 --> 01:12:53,310 people, I'm sure, are forgetting. 2016 01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:55,310 I'm sure they're being destabilized 2017 01:12:55,689 --> 01:12:57,369 in their belief. Well, hang on. Weren't these 2018 01:12:57,369 --> 01:12:59,835 terrorists? And yet, here they are, you know, 2019 01:13:00,135 --> 01:13:03,095 forming governments and and the bounties getting lifted 2020 01:13:03,095 --> 01:13:05,175 and the sanctions are getting lifted. Well, well, 2021 01:13:05,175 --> 01:13:06,534 I'm wrong, but they must be the good 2022 01:13:06,534 --> 01:13:08,375 guys. Maybe they've had a change of mind, 2023 01:13:08,375 --> 01:13:10,215 you know? You know, I kinda think Such 2024 01:13:10,215 --> 01:13:10,715 manipulation. 2025 01:13:11,630 --> 01:13:13,229 It really is. I kinda feel I had 2026 01:13:13,229 --> 01:13:14,270 a thought of this the other day that 2027 01:13:14,270 --> 01:13:15,710 I get the sense this is gonna go 2028 01:13:15,710 --> 01:13:18,349 a different direction where I mean, it is 2029 01:13:18,349 --> 01:13:20,670 very obvious and maybe I I question whether 2030 01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:22,109 it's just obvious to us and the other 2031 01:13:22,109 --> 01:13:23,389 people are blinded by it, but I do 2032 01:13:23,389 --> 01:13:25,465 think it's more obvious than usual. And that 2033 01:13:25,465 --> 01:13:27,784 ultimately, the game is to roll these people 2034 01:13:27,784 --> 01:13:30,104 out, start by going, yeah. These are the 2035 01:13:30,104 --> 01:13:31,944 rebels and they've saved Syria. But at the 2036 01:13:31,944 --> 01:13:33,864 same time, they're going, but we're bombing ISIS 2037 01:13:33,864 --> 01:13:36,024 which, you know, that's even what's going on. 2038 01:13:36,024 --> 01:13:37,944 And then eventually, they just kind of merge 2039 01:13:37,944 --> 01:13:40,020 together to where they just go, you know, 2040 01:13:40,020 --> 01:13:41,800 the the Hayat Trelshom becomes 2041 01:13:42,659 --> 01:13:44,659 the villain of Syria as and it it 2042 01:13:44,659 --> 01:13:46,340 rehashes the same game and we start all 2043 01:13:46,340 --> 01:13:47,619 back over again. You know what I mean? 2044 01:13:47,619 --> 01:13:49,140 Where as long as they've got the enemy 2045 01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:51,864 they're fighting I mean, historically, the US ally 2046 01:13:51,864 --> 01:13:53,864 of today is the villain of tomorrow. That's 2047 01:13:53,945 --> 01:13:55,225 it goes as far back as you can 2048 01:13:55,225 --> 01:13:56,265 look. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So I 2049 01:13:56,345 --> 01:13:57,545 but I just mean like in a rapid 2050 01:13:57,545 --> 01:13:59,484 scale, is that happening again? You know? 2051 01:14:00,265 --> 01:14:01,945 I but I do wonder if that's why 2052 01:14:01,945 --> 01:14:04,585 they're so desperate to vilify Assad even in 2053 01:14:04,585 --> 01:14:07,310 in the eyes of, you know, his supporters 2054 01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:07,810 within, 2055 01:14:08,430 --> 01:14:10,449 Syria itself. Mhmm. Because 2056 01:14:10,909 --> 01:14:13,550 because I think also, you know, they they 2057 01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:15,869 have a purpose for HTS and ISIS and 2058 01:14:15,869 --> 01:14:17,550 all the others. They still have Iraq to 2059 01:14:17,550 --> 01:14:20,270 go. They have Iran potentially. So they still 2060 01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:21,885 need them to a degree. 2061 01:14:22,185 --> 01:14:23,944 So I'm not sure we're gonna see that 2062 01:14:23,944 --> 01:14:26,344 until we see the end of whatever or 2063 01:14:26,344 --> 01:14:28,925 what wherever this project is is headed. 2064 01:14:29,545 --> 01:14:30,844 Yeah. Good point. 2065 01:14:31,304 --> 01:14:33,949 Well, let let's talk about the the supposed, 2066 01:14:33,949 --> 01:14:37,170 you know, transition government and the election discussion 2067 01:14:37,310 --> 01:14:38,750 and all of that and get into so 2068 01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:40,030 just so it's clear that what we're talking 2069 01:14:40,030 --> 01:14:41,550 about is the group we were just highlighting. 2070 01:14:41,550 --> 01:14:42,770 These are US 2071 01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:44,930 Western backed terrorists. 2072 01:14:45,564 --> 01:14:47,404 Not mentioning words exactly what they are. And 2073 01:14:47,404 --> 01:14:49,564 so now we're watching these elements just to 2074 01:14:49,564 --> 01:14:50,944 talk about democracy 2075 01:14:51,324 --> 01:14:53,404 and elections and and, you know, diversity and 2076 01:14:53,404 --> 01:14:55,585 and all these it's really it's it's fascinating 2077 01:14:55,645 --> 01:14:57,645 if it wasn't terrifying that it's actually happening. 2078 01:14:57,645 --> 01:14:59,664 So I wanted your thoughts on this as 2079 01:14:59,750 --> 01:15:01,750 we have and first, they talk about elections. 2080 01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:02,949 Right? So right out of the gate, where 2081 01:15:02,949 --> 01:15:03,689 this is 2082 01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:06,469 democracy and freedom. And then right on the 2083 01:15:06,469 --> 01:15:08,149 hill of that, they go, wait wait, 18 2084 01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:08,649 months 2085 01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:11,270 transition period until we so I just think 2086 01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:13,029 it's funny to point out that it very 2087 01:15:13,029 --> 01:15:15,114 rapidly became give us about a year and 2088 01:15:15,114 --> 01:15:17,574 a half to continue the not democracy situation. 2089 01:15:18,034 --> 01:15:20,055 But I simply pointed out that ultimately, 2090 01:15:20,515 --> 01:15:22,675 you know, if they were to tomorrow decide 2091 01:15:22,835 --> 01:15:24,275 let's say they had an election and the 2092 01:15:24,275 --> 01:15:26,355 Syrian people assuming that was what happened chose 2093 01:15:26,355 --> 01:15:27,175 to pick Assad. 2094 01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:29,329 Well, they wouldn't let that happen. So let's 2095 01:15:29,329 --> 01:15:31,090 not pretend this is democracy. Right? Like, it's 2096 01:15:31,090 --> 01:15:32,929 obvious that that's not the reality. But what 2097 01:15:32,929 --> 01:15:34,609 are your thoughts on the point of the 2098 01:15:34,609 --> 01:15:37,250 the government, the transition, the potential election? You 2099 01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:39,170 know, is there any possibility this could translate 2100 01:15:39,170 --> 01:15:40,929 into something Syrians want? You know, what are 2101 01:15:40,929 --> 01:15:41,909 your thoughts on it? 2102 01:15:45,564 --> 01:15:47,185 No. Like, I well, 2103 01:15:47,965 --> 01:15:49,645 I mean, you know, it's kind of crazy. 2104 01:15:49,645 --> 01:15:51,425 They've come to power through a coup. 2105 01:15:52,204 --> 01:15:54,364 Initially, they were talking about it being a 2106 01:15:54,364 --> 01:15:56,670 transitional government for the period of 6 months, 2107 01:15:56,670 --> 01:15:58,350 which was when they were talking about, 2108 01:15:58,750 --> 01:16:01,550 Assad staying on an advisory role until he 2109 01:16:01,550 --> 01:16:03,869 handed over, etcetera, which I think was always 2110 01:16:03,869 --> 01:16:04,850 gonna be dreamscape. 2111 01:16:05,390 --> 01:16:06,909 You know, that would that was just never 2112 01:16:06,909 --> 01:16:08,210 gonna be allowed to happen. 2113 01:16:10,145 --> 01:16:12,784 And I've seen sort of messaging that they're 2114 01:16:12,784 --> 01:16:15,824 putting out today to 2 different extremes. So 2115 01:16:15,824 --> 01:16:17,984 first of all, they're saying, oh, you know, 2116 01:16:17,984 --> 01:16:20,305 the poor Syrian people have been suffering without 2117 01:16:20,305 --> 01:16:23,505 electricity and without fuel and without food. That 2118 01:16:23,505 --> 01:16:24,324 sounds familiar. 2119 01:16:24,890 --> 01:16:27,530 Well, yeah, without even mentioning the reasons for 2120 01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:30,250 why they're suffering without fuel and food and 2121 01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:33,530 electricity and and, you know, oil. The genocide 2122 01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:35,770 over here, the exact circumstances in Gaza, you 2123 01:16:35,770 --> 01:16:38,409 know, just ridiculous. You know, so it's 2124 01:16:39,105 --> 01:16:40,784 and then at the same time, they're putting 2125 01:16:40,784 --> 01:16:43,345 out all these various announcement every 5 minutes. 2126 01:16:43,345 --> 01:16:45,505 And so now they're talking about they're going 2127 01:16:45,505 --> 01:16:47,765 to go after journalists that in their view, 2128 01:16:48,385 --> 01:16:50,645 supported the Syrian government crimes. 2129 01:16:51,425 --> 01:16:53,685 So suddenly without any kind of, 2130 01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:55,420 you know, 2131 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,340 judicial process, people are being executed. They're being 2132 01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:01,880 hung. They're being hunted down. They're being, 2133 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,460 massacred if they're from the wrong minority sex. 2134 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:09,420 They're being persecuted. 2135 01:17:10,564 --> 01:17:13,364 And and, you know, journalists now who who 2136 01:17:13,364 --> 01:17:15,145 might have been patriotic 2137 01:17:15,524 --> 01:17:16,905 during president Assad's 2138 01:17:17,845 --> 01:17:18,345 presidency 2139 01:17:19,284 --> 01:17:20,505 and who were against 2140 01:17:21,125 --> 01:17:23,685 the terrorist forces backed by the west suddenly 2141 01:17:23,685 --> 01:17:24,585 become traitors. 2142 01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:26,760 I mean, this is a kind of a 2143 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:27,260 terrifying 2144 01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:29,260 inversion of reality. 2145 01:17:29,719 --> 01:17:32,199 Right. Right? Well, not only inversion of And 2146 01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:34,520 nobody nobody is gonna stop it. That's the 2147 01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:35,020 problem. 2148 01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:37,239 I was gonna say not only in a 2149 01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:38,779 version of reality that it's, 2150 01:17:39,244 --> 01:17:40,844 I mean, it's it's the obvious point is 2151 01:17:40,844 --> 01:17:42,524 that you have this this framing from the 2152 01:17:42,524 --> 01:17:43,024 western 2153 01:17:43,724 --> 01:17:46,284 media and and partisan element that this is 2154 01:17:46,284 --> 01:17:48,284 somehow the Syrian people being saved or to 2155 01:17:48,284 --> 01:17:50,284 very at even, like, the very least that 2156 01:17:50,284 --> 01:17:51,885 maybe it'll be worse, but this is what 2157 01:17:51,885 --> 01:17:52,925 they got the bad guy out of the 2158 01:17:52,925 --> 01:17:54,369 way. You know, and it's just right on 2159 01:17:54,369 --> 01:17:56,130 the heels of this, its exact opposite. Like, 2160 01:17:56,130 --> 01:17:58,289 nothing they're framing is, you know, they're they're 2161 01:17:58,289 --> 01:17:59,890 they're hanging people in the streets. Right? They're 2162 01:17:59,890 --> 01:18:01,890 killing religious minorities right in the open. And 2163 01:18:01,890 --> 01:18:03,649 so it it kills me that they can 2164 01:18:03,649 --> 01:18:05,409 even pretend to frame this as something other 2165 01:18:05,409 --> 01:18:07,295 than, you know, what we've always been at 2166 01:18:07,295 --> 01:18:09,055 the very least, what what they're telling you, 2167 01:18:09,055 --> 01:18:10,895 you just got saved from. You know, it 2168 01:18:10,975 --> 01:18:12,335 I just I mean, that's the same old 2169 01:18:12,335 --> 01:18:13,235 point. I'm just 2170 01:18:14,015 --> 01:18:15,375 griping, I guess, at the fact that it's 2171 01:18:15,375 --> 01:18:16,975 so frustrating that it continues to happen. Go 2172 01:18:16,975 --> 01:18:19,854 ahead. Yeah. And it's fully supported by the 2173 01:18:19,854 --> 01:18:22,730 mainstream media, of course. Right. You know? And 2174 01:18:23,190 --> 01:18:24,810 and the thing is that, 2175 01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:28,570 you know, the extraordinary 2176 01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:31,430 thing is that, yes, you've you've now got 2177 01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:34,170 the BBC and CNN, and they're bolstering 2178 01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:37,835 their their image and and making everything look 2179 01:18:37,835 --> 01:18:38,335 normal. 2180 01:18:38,795 --> 01:18:41,375 Executions are normal. This is what happens 2181 01:18:42,074 --> 01:18:42,574 after, 2182 01:18:43,034 --> 01:18:46,015 you know, after after a so called revolution. 2183 01:18:46,234 --> 01:18:48,574 You get the executions, you get the guillotine, 2184 01:18:48,635 --> 01:18:50,395 you get the gallows, you know. And and 2185 01:18:50,395 --> 01:18:51,295 I'm just thinking, 2186 01:18:52,449 --> 01:18:54,210 if this were the other way around, if 2187 01:18:54,210 --> 01:18:56,770 this were Russia doing this, for example, all 2188 01:18:56,770 --> 01:18:58,609 hell would be like this. But there's never 2189 01:18:58,609 --> 01:19:00,149 ever going to be any recrimination 2190 01:19:00,529 --> 01:19:01,429 for these groups 2191 01:19:01,810 --> 01:19:03,649 that are being backed by the West and 2192 01:19:03,649 --> 01:19:06,389 are committing crimes and were committing crimes 2193 01:19:06,855 --> 01:19:09,574 before. That's it. They're gonna go scot free 2194 01:19:09,574 --> 01:19:11,675 until, of course, they become redundant, 2195 01:19:12,775 --> 01:19:15,015 to to the US agenda as Right. As 2196 01:19:15,015 --> 01:19:15,755 you rightly 2197 01:19:16,135 --> 01:19:18,875 mentioned. And then suddenly, they'll become the target. 2198 01:19:19,810 --> 01:19:21,570 That's the same point about Hyatt Shalsham. Right? 2199 01:19:21,570 --> 01:19:23,010 I mean, you you guys there's a bounty 2200 01:19:23,010 --> 01:19:24,850 on their heads. They've committed crimes. You guys 2201 01:19:24,850 --> 01:19:26,130 have been telling us that for a decade, 2202 01:19:26,130 --> 01:19:27,970 and now they just say different words. And 2203 01:19:27,970 --> 01:19:29,890 so what about the crime they commit? Coming 2204 01:19:29,890 --> 01:19:31,409 off. You know, now they can lift the 2205 01:19:31,409 --> 01:19:33,189 bounty because now they're an official 2206 01:19:33,489 --> 01:19:33,989 government. 2207 01:19:34,354 --> 01:19:36,195 Right. But to your point though, what about 2208 01:19:36,195 --> 01:19:38,275 all the crimes they've committed thus far? They 2209 01:19:38,275 --> 01:19:40,195 just vanish because they changed their name? You 2210 01:19:40,195 --> 01:19:42,275 know, it's you're you're it's well taken. It's 2211 01:19:42,275 --> 01:19:45,074 it's it's ridiculous. And and the journalists point 2212 01:19:45,235 --> 01:19:46,835 go ahead. Go ahead. No. No. I was 2213 01:19:46,835 --> 01:19:48,775 just going to also say, you know, 2214 01:19:49,539 --> 01:19:51,699 how long before the Syrian people are are 2215 01:19:51,699 --> 01:19:53,639 kind of saying, even amongst themselves, 2216 01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:55,619 oh, god. I wish we had a sad 2217 01:19:55,619 --> 01:19:58,600 back. Well Because we hear this every time. 2218 01:19:58,659 --> 01:20:00,199 Mubarak, Saddam Hussein, 2219 01:20:00,659 --> 01:20:01,159 Gaddafi. 2220 01:20:03,604 --> 01:20:04,104 Sadly, 2221 01:20:04,565 --> 01:20:07,284 most people regret that it happened and that 2222 01:20:07,284 --> 01:20:09,525 they're gone because the chaos and the the 2223 01:20:09,525 --> 01:20:12,005 terrorist vacuum that their country has flung into 2224 01:20:12,005 --> 01:20:14,744 is far worse than anything that came before. 2225 01:20:14,869 --> 01:20:17,050 And are they really gonna fix the electricity? 2226 01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:19,829 How? Is the US suddenly gonna give them 2227 01:20:19,829 --> 01:20:21,530 all the oil from the northeast? 2228 01:20:21,989 --> 01:20:23,750 Yeah. Maybe once it's we're top bombing all 2229 01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:24,329 the infrastructure. 2230 01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:25,530 Yeah. 2231 01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:27,909 I mean, that's that's, you know, the absurd 2232 01:20:27,989 --> 01:20:29,835 the point is that they're destroying everything that 2233 01:20:29,835 --> 01:20:31,515 would allow life to exist in Syria. So 2234 01:20:31,515 --> 01:20:33,275 it's pretty obvious that they have no interest 2235 01:20:33,275 --> 01:20:34,875 in keeping it safe for people, you know, 2236 01:20:34,875 --> 01:20:36,875 but yeah. Yeah. I I think what it 2237 01:20:36,875 --> 01:20:38,555 it continues to show is as everywhere else 2238 01:20:38,555 --> 01:20:40,235 they're acting in the world, they're not doing 2239 01:20:40,235 --> 01:20:41,755 what they claim they're doing. They're not here 2240 01:20:41,755 --> 01:20:43,195 to save people. They're not here to fight 2241 01:20:43,195 --> 01:20:45,349 for democracy. They're here at their own interest 2242 01:20:45,349 --> 01:20:47,349 at the expense of literally everybody else around 2243 01:20:47,349 --> 01:20:49,109 us. And I think that's why we continue 2244 01:20:49,109 --> 01:20:51,670 to see these these, you know, stenographers of 2245 01:20:51,670 --> 01:20:53,590 the west continue to lie. I mean, let 2246 01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:54,949 let let's go ahead and and finish on 2247 01:20:54,949 --> 01:20:56,949 this point about the propaganda because it is 2248 01:20:56,949 --> 01:20:57,449 absolutely 2249 01:20:57,750 --> 01:21:00,114 ridiculous the level of what we're seeing. And 2250 01:21:00,114 --> 01:21:01,635 I'm I'm sure you've covered this already. And 2251 01:21:01,635 --> 01:21:03,554 I think everyone's already I mean, as far 2252 01:21:03,635 --> 01:21:05,274 I mean, even just over the last couple 2253 01:21:05,274 --> 01:21:06,594 of days, it seems like this has already 2254 01:21:06,594 --> 01:21:08,135 been thoroughly broken down, 2255 01:21:08,675 --> 01:21:11,554 completely exposed as utter nonsense in more than 2256 01:21:11,554 --> 01:21:13,649 one example. And this is the guy that, 2257 01:21:13,729 --> 01:21:15,989 you know, they're literally claiming came stumble 2258 01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:18,609 you know, apparently, I mean, I'll just I'll 2259 01:21:18,609 --> 01:21:20,289 read exactly what Arnaud wrote. He said the 2260 01:21:20,289 --> 01:21:21,969 the this is really, really hard to believe. 2261 01:21:21,969 --> 01:21:23,969 The air force intelligence headquarters where this is 2262 01:21:23,969 --> 01:21:27,054 taking place has been freed since the 7th 2263 01:21:27,054 --> 01:21:29,454 December, so 4 to 5 days ago. So 2264 01:21:29,454 --> 01:21:31,614 we're asked to believe that the CNN journalist 2265 01:21:31,614 --> 01:21:34,175 visited a secret prison in the there that's 2266 01:21:34,175 --> 01:21:36,354 been cleared presumably for up to 5 days 2267 01:21:36,494 --> 01:21:38,670 and found someone left behind. And his main 2268 01:21:38,670 --> 01:21:39,949 point first is that, you know, I'm pretty 2269 01:21:39,949 --> 01:21:41,789 sure they people can't survive for 4 to 2270 01:21:41,789 --> 01:21:43,470 5 days without water. And, you know, there 2271 01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:45,229 are a thousand of examples that even face 2272 01:21:45,310 --> 01:21:47,310 or even, Twitter caught. You know, he seems 2273 01:21:47,310 --> 01:21:48,750 to be well fed. He doesn't seem to 2274 01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:49,729 be on dirty. 2275 01:21:50,135 --> 01:21:51,574 So, you know, for on that one alone 2276 01:21:51,735 --> 01:21:53,574 No. But but this one, if this was 2277 01:21:53,574 --> 01:21:56,314 the Lebanese, he'd come there for for hospital 2278 01:21:56,375 --> 01:21:56,875 treatment. 2279 01:21:57,655 --> 01:21:59,515 Oh, well, that There's a walking there saying 2280 01:21:59,574 --> 01:22:02,074 that's another one. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And this 2281 01:22:02,210 --> 01:22:03,969 this one apparently was supposed to be kind 2282 01:22:03,969 --> 01:22:05,329 of similar where they go, you know, that 2283 01:22:05,329 --> 01:22:06,929 there's another person that was kept and the 2284 01:22:06,929 --> 01:22:08,689 person comes in behind and proves that that's 2285 01:22:08,689 --> 01:22:11,329 not the case. Like, it's just it's crazy. 2286 01:22:11,329 --> 01:22:13,170 And I think there was another one where 2287 01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:15,429 the they had the kid talking. 2288 01:22:16,055 --> 01:22:16,935 And he said, 2289 01:22:17,414 --> 01:22:19,655 yes. You know, I've been kept in the 2290 01:22:19,655 --> 01:22:22,614 prison for 14 years since I was born. 2291 01:22:22,614 --> 01:22:23,895 And the guy says to him, so how 2292 01:22:23,895 --> 01:22:25,435 old do you know? He says, 10. 2293 01:22:26,055 --> 01:22:27,595 Yeah. It's like, what? 2294 01:22:28,150 --> 01:22:30,070 I said, it's unbelievable. And and to be 2295 01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:31,829 objective, that doesn't have to mean that these 2296 01:22:31,829 --> 01:22:33,670 things aren't happening. But it's incredible. And I 2297 01:22:33,670 --> 01:22:35,470 think your evidence has clearly shown that they 2298 01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:37,670 they're lying about all of this. But that 2299 01:22:37,670 --> 01:22:39,590 they my quest my point is always is 2300 01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:41,270 if they have to manufacture all of these 2301 01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:42,465 lies to sell this narrative, 2302 01:22:43,024 --> 01:22:44,625 you should at least ask whether that's not 2303 01:22:44,625 --> 01:22:46,545 really the picture, you know. Well, here here's 2304 01:22:46,545 --> 01:22:48,625 another one as well. This one was, BBC 2305 01:22:48,625 --> 01:22:49,284 put out. 2306 01:22:49,585 --> 01:22:52,064 Man found wandering near Damascus after months in 2307 01:22:52,064 --> 01:22:54,465 Syrian prison. And Craig Murray came out and 2308 01:22:54,465 --> 01:22:56,465 said the evidence that Travis Timmerman was detained 2309 01:22:56,465 --> 01:22:58,920 at all seems distinctly dubious At the most 2310 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,319 basic level for a white man who has 2311 01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:03,239 been locked inside for 7 months, in all 2312 01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:05,100 photos, he's entirely the wrong color, 2313 01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,319 same as most of these people. No prisoner 2314 01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:09,719 power, flabbiness, huge amount of of BS coming 2315 01:23:09,719 --> 01:23:11,484 out of the media right now. It really 2316 01:23:11,484 --> 01:23:13,164 is incredible. And then I'll just point out 2317 01:23:13,164 --> 01:23:14,685 as we did a second ago, you know, 2318 01:23:14,685 --> 01:23:16,125 that they don't seem to care at all 2319 01:23:16,125 --> 01:23:19,085 about the very, very well documented evidence of 2320 01:23:19,085 --> 01:23:21,484 what is actually continuing to happen in US 2321 01:23:21,484 --> 01:23:23,564 controlled areas in Syria or many other places 2322 01:23:23,564 --> 01:23:25,199 in general. So if you've seen oh, I'm 2323 01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:26,600 sorry. I'm not I'm not actually showing it. 2324 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:27,880 That was just the one we mentioned earlier 2325 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,340 about, Amnesty International. 2326 01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:32,840 Uh-uh. Yeah. But any any other examples you've 2327 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,560 seen of just, like, egregious misinformation swinging around? 2328 01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:36,920 Because it seems to be pretty common right 2329 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:37,335 now. 2330 01:23:37,975 --> 01:23:39,574 Well, no. I mean, it's just the fact 2331 01:23:39,574 --> 01:23:40,715 that that that they're 2332 01:23:41,094 --> 01:23:42,875 absolutely totally on board 2333 01:23:43,255 --> 01:23:46,154 with HTS. I mean, they're not even bothering 2334 01:23:46,215 --> 01:23:47,354 to try and hide it. 2335 01:23:47,734 --> 01:23:49,755 You know? And when they're when they're accusing 2336 01:23:49,895 --> 01:23:51,354 us of lack of objectivity 2337 01:23:52,215 --> 01:23:53,194 or of bias 2338 01:23:53,789 --> 01:23:56,510 And and we see them literally kind of 2339 01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:57,010 salivating 2340 01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:58,530 over an HTS, 2341 01:23:59,390 --> 01:24:01,890 power grab in Syria. It's it's horrendous. 2342 01:24:02,270 --> 01:24:05,149 I mean, I actually sent Jeremy Bowen's report, 2343 01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:07,890 when he's following the crowds to a potential 2344 01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:09,284 execution and he's 2345 01:24:10,564 --> 01:24:13,125 relishing it. And I sent it to a 2346 01:24:13,125 --> 01:24:15,685 a kind of a very professional journalist friend 2347 01:24:15,685 --> 01:24:17,445 of mine, and and they said, this is 2348 01:24:17,445 --> 01:24:18,664 this is disgusting. 2349 01:24:19,125 --> 01:24:21,225 Yeah. You know, this should be condemned, 2350 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,779 even even in court. This is just appalling. 2351 01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:26,899 This isn't journalism. 2352 01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,119 You know, and this is one of the 2353 01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:31,760 so called senior journalists at the BBC. Of 2354 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,579 course, I query if they're journalists or intelligence 2355 01:24:35,494 --> 01:24:38,295 assets, quite frankly, when they, you know, the 2356 01:24:38,295 --> 01:24:39,194 the higher level, 2357 01:24:40,054 --> 01:24:42,534 journalists within state medias in the West and 2358 01:24:42,534 --> 01:24:44,375 so on. I mean, we know that through 2359 01:24:44,375 --> 01:24:48,054 CNN, and and I'm sure Clarissa Ward what's 2360 01:24:48,054 --> 01:24:50,100 her name? Ardoaa Damon. I'm surprised she's not 2361 01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:51,960 there. Although, I think she's kind of 2362 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:53,800 since she sniffed 2363 01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:57,140 Yeah. Busy. On the rucksack in in Idlib. 2364 01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:59,800 I think her her kind of, you know, 2365 01:24:59,939 --> 01:25:02,760 usefulness went down a little bit, but still. 2366 01:25:03,025 --> 01:25:04,864 Alan McLeod. I think it was Alan McLeod 2367 01:25:04,864 --> 01:25:06,545 from in press news. I believe it was 2368 01:25:06,545 --> 01:25:08,324 him, but he I I 2369 01:25:08,945 --> 01:25:10,225 I don't wanna miss anyway, I think it 2370 01:25:10,225 --> 01:25:11,345 was made press news for sure, but they 2371 01:25:11,345 --> 01:25:14,145 put out a great, a report about ID, 2372 01:25:14,465 --> 01:25:17,409 Mossad elements be finding themselves in the positions 2373 01:25:17,409 --> 01:25:19,409 of influence in corporate media in the west 2374 01:25:19,409 --> 01:25:21,250 or specifically the United States. It was definitely 2375 01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:23,170 a member press news. Yeah. I think it 2376 01:25:23,170 --> 01:25:24,770 was a lot of thought. But Yeah. I 2377 01:25:24,770 --> 01:25:26,289 I think the point is that it's very 2378 01:25:26,289 --> 01:25:28,529 obvious this happens. Let let's let's two points 2379 01:25:28,529 --> 01:25:30,475 that I wanna end with in general. Your 2380 01:25:30,475 --> 01:25:32,555 comments on this, there's the idea that the 2381 01:25:32,635 --> 01:25:34,635 there are Turkish citizens that turn out to 2382 01:25:34,635 --> 01:25:36,795 be working for the IDF, this report from 2383 01:25:36,795 --> 01:25:38,475 Al Jazeera, which, by the way, I will 2384 01:25:38,475 --> 01:25:40,715 also argue especially with this conversation. Al Jazeera 2385 01:25:40,715 --> 01:25:42,315 is not somebody who wish we're taking at 2386 01:25:42,315 --> 01:25:44,395 face value, but never we should with any 2387 01:25:44,395 --> 01:25:46,170 media for that matter. But the idea of 2388 01:25:46,170 --> 01:25:48,170 the overlap of Israel in this conversation when 2389 01:25:48,170 --> 01:25:49,689 it comes to Turkey, we mentioned this last 2390 01:25:49,689 --> 01:25:51,949 time. Right? The the kind of feigned 2391 01:25:52,409 --> 01:25:54,829 resistance back and forth between Turkey and Israel 2392 01:25:54,890 --> 01:25:56,409 and now being reported at the very least 2393 01:25:56,409 --> 01:25:58,969 that there's IDF members with Turkish nationality that 2394 01:25:58,969 --> 01:26:01,755 are acting within Turkey, which adds more to 2395 01:26:01,755 --> 01:26:03,595 the possibility of their the the deal point 2396 01:26:03,595 --> 01:26:05,354 you mentioned before. I just thought that was 2397 01:26:05,354 --> 01:26:07,114 interesting point. Thoughts on that to end as 2398 01:26:07,114 --> 01:26:09,375 well as where this may go with Iran. 2399 01:26:09,515 --> 01:26:11,994 Because you already have Netanyahu. Like, right now, 2400 01:26:11,994 --> 01:26:14,310 as this hasn't even finished already going, Iran, 2401 01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:16,229 Iran, Iran. Like, we know that's where this 2402 01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:17,050 seems to be going. 2403 01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:19,350 Erin pointing out that they're already commenting how 2404 01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:21,030 we can now we can bomb Iran better 2405 01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:23,189 from this location. So just kinda wrap up 2406 01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:23,850 on that. 2407 01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:25,989 Yeah. And I mean, you know, we know 2408 01:26:25,989 --> 01:26:26,385 that, 2409 01:26:26,944 --> 01:26:27,925 Trump's administration 2410 01:26:28,465 --> 01:26:31,505 is very anti Iran. We've had Vance right 2411 01:26:31,505 --> 01:26:33,604 from the beginning saying, you know, we've gotta 2412 01:26:33,824 --> 01:26:36,804 hit Iran harder than before, etcetera, etcetera. 2413 01:26:38,465 --> 01:26:39,024 But I think 2414 01:26:41,470 --> 01:26:43,229 no. I think, you know, where are we 2415 01:26:43,229 --> 01:26:45,569 heading? We're definitely heading towards, 2416 01:26:46,430 --> 01:26:46,930 potential 2417 01:26:47,390 --> 01:26:50,369 of war with Iran for sure. 2418 01:26:50,909 --> 01:26:53,069 And and for sure, Iran is preparing for 2419 01:26:53,069 --> 01:26:53,505 that. 2420 01:26:54,704 --> 01:26:56,784 You know, as I said, I think next 2421 01:26:56,784 --> 01:26:58,005 will be Iraq. 2422 01:26:58,465 --> 01:26:59,685 They will try and create, 2423 01:27:00,064 --> 01:27:03,344 a corridor through Iraq towards Erbil and towards 2424 01:27:03,344 --> 01:27:06,145 the border with Iran to prepare for any 2425 01:27:06,145 --> 01:27:08,304 escalation against Iran. And then, of course, if 2426 01:27:08,304 --> 01:27:10,470 they can do that, if they're closer to 2427 01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:11,529 Iran right now 2428 01:27:11,829 --> 01:27:14,090 from a launch pad in Damascus 2429 01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:16,869 or or from anywhere in Syria, really, because 2430 01:27:16,869 --> 01:27:18,170 pretty much all of Syria 2431 01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:19,289 is now 2432 01:27:22,545 --> 01:27:24,085 related to Israel 2433 01:27:24,704 --> 01:27:26,085 to one degree or another. 2434 01:27:28,625 --> 01:27:29,765 Turkey, I guess, 2435 01:27:30,704 --> 01:27:32,864 might, at some point, be some kind of 2436 01:27:32,864 --> 01:27:34,545 thorn in the side of Israel, but I 2437 01:27:34,545 --> 01:27:37,380 don't know. You know? But that's that remains 2438 01:27:37,380 --> 01:27:39,780 to be seen. Turkey also, of course, is 2439 01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:42,199 eyeing up the pipeline that we talked about. 2440 01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:44,600 And, 2441 01:27:45,380 --> 01:27:47,640 yeah, I I think we're heading for escalation 2442 01:27:47,780 --> 01:27:49,239 in Iraq and then potentially, 2443 01:27:50,180 --> 01:27:50,680 Iran. 2444 01:27:52,154 --> 01:27:54,474 Now I certainly hope not. The sadly, that 2445 01:27:54,474 --> 01:27:55,454 does seem to be 2446 01:27:55,755 --> 01:27:57,835 where this is heading. And, you know, and 2447 01:27:57,835 --> 01:27:58,895 I worry about 2448 01:28:00,474 --> 01:28:01,755 I mean, I think right now what we 2449 01:28:01,755 --> 01:28:03,274 can see is that this is carrying out 2450 01:28:03,274 --> 01:28:05,430 a long term agenda. Right? And I think 2451 01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:07,350 I think the obvious point is that Israel 2452 01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:09,510 is or rather the United States or the 2453 01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:11,449 west in general seems to be carrying out 2454 01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:13,430 Israel's wars. I mean, I think that's that's 2455 01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:15,110 not a hyperbolic statement, and I think that's 2456 01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:16,664 been going on for quite a long time. 2457 01:28:16,905 --> 01:28:19,465 And Iran is clearly the last one on 2458 01:28:19,545 --> 01:28:21,064 well, I mean, whether we don't wanna talk 2459 01:28:21,064 --> 01:28:22,824 about the the 7 countries 5 years, whether 2460 01:28:22,824 --> 01:28:24,905 that's legitimate or part of something else, the 2461 01:28:24,905 --> 01:28:26,744 point is that we can see Israel's been 2462 01:28:26,744 --> 01:28:28,905 aiming at Iran for a very long time. 2463 01:28:28,905 --> 01:28:31,899 And with Trump's incoming administration seeming to pull 2464 01:28:31,899 --> 01:28:33,819 back any resistance on that at all, I'm 2465 01:28:33,819 --> 01:28:35,279 very worried about where that goes. 2466 01:28:35,659 --> 01:28:37,899 But, you know, I I guess what we 2467 01:28:37,899 --> 01:28:39,500 have to the the point of what we're 2468 01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:41,420 doing this for is I'm of the mind 2469 01:28:41,420 --> 01:28:42,800 as we touched on to begin 2470 01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:44,479 that there is this 2471 01:28:44,984 --> 01:28:47,145 shifting of awareness around a lot of this 2472 01:28:47,145 --> 01:28:49,304 stuff. And I think we have long since 2473 01:28:49,304 --> 01:28:51,465 passed whatever might need to be passed to 2474 01:28:51,465 --> 01:28:53,545 argue the majority is aware of this. Right? 2475 01:28:53,545 --> 01:28:55,545 And I think that's kind of clear. So 2476 01:28:55,545 --> 01:28:57,304 what we need to do to get that 2477 01:28:57,304 --> 01:28:59,804 to mobilize into some kind of action that 2478 01:29:00,250 --> 01:29:02,969 that drives action, that stops what's coming, that 2479 01:29:02,969 --> 01:29:04,969 causes them to care that we see what 2480 01:29:04,969 --> 01:29:06,649 they're doing. You know? And I don't really 2481 01:29:06,649 --> 01:29:08,250 know what that looks like. But I think 2482 01:29:08,250 --> 01:29:10,810 it's important that we continue to highlight work 2483 01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:12,590 like yours and continue to highlight 2484 01:29:13,295 --> 01:29:14,514 the the objective nonpartisan 2485 01:29:14,814 --> 01:29:16,574 information that that's coming out because I think 2486 01:29:16,574 --> 01:29:18,335 it's growing. And, again, as I've said before, 2487 01:29:18,335 --> 01:29:20,574 I think this is kind of rapidly being 2488 01:29:20,574 --> 01:29:22,414 reduced into a position where that just won't 2489 01:29:22,414 --> 01:29:23,935 matter anymore. And I think this is part 2490 01:29:23,935 --> 01:29:24,975 of it. I really do. I think this 2491 01:29:24,975 --> 01:29:27,635 kind of dovetails with the globalism idea, 2492 01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:30,119 the the tech even technocracy. You know, I 2493 01:29:30,119 --> 01:29:32,199 see this all interconnected. So on the way 2494 01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:33,400 out in general, if you have any, I 2495 01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,659 mean, hopefully, positive note for us, like, you 2496 01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,079 you you know, any thoughts that I just 2497 01:29:37,079 --> 01:29:38,440 mentioned, you know, just kinda leave us with 2498 01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:39,880 something to to, you know, what your thoughts 2499 01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:41,725 are and where this goes and anything else? 2500 01:29:41,725 --> 01:29:44,045 Yeah. I mean, what I have been saying 2501 01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:45,344 is is, you know, 2502 01:29:45,885 --> 01:29:48,145 they haven't really changed their MO. 2503 01:29:49,005 --> 01:29:51,164 You know, when I was talking about the 2504 01:29:51,164 --> 01:29:54,489 cancellation of Christmas for many Christians in Syria, 2505 01:29:54,489 --> 01:29:56,810 I was immediately under attack that I was 2506 01:29:56,810 --> 01:29:59,130 lying. And it was what was interesting with 2507 01:29:59,130 --> 01:30:00,969 a number of people that were coming up 2508 01:30:00,969 --> 01:30:03,369 with with headlines from a few years ago 2509 01:30:03,369 --> 01:30:03,869 about 2510 01:30:04,329 --> 01:30:07,229 how churches in Idlib, for example, were desecrated 2511 01:30:07,609 --> 01:30:10,744 and so on, that Christmas was canceled in 2512 01:30:10,744 --> 01:30:13,305 Idlib under Jallani. So why would it be? 2513 01:30:13,305 --> 01:30:15,225 Right. You know? So it's interesting that I'm 2514 01:30:15,225 --> 01:30:18,045 not necessarily needing to defend what I'm saying. 2515 01:30:19,064 --> 01:30:20,824 And and, you know, he tried to post 2516 01:30:20,824 --> 01:30:21,725 something about 2517 01:30:22,420 --> 01:30:24,420 one of the Christian towns that I'm probably 2518 01:30:24,420 --> 01:30:27,699 closest to in Syria at Alskel Bia. And 2519 01:30:27,699 --> 01:30:29,140 they had just sent me a load of 2520 01:30:29,140 --> 01:30:31,140 videos showing the desecration of 1 of the 2521 01:30:31,140 --> 01:30:33,319 churches there. So while he was kind of 2522 01:30:33,539 --> 01:30:35,475 trying to say, no. No. No. No. Everything's 2523 01:30:35,614 --> 01:30:37,695 fine. We've been speaking to the priest and 2524 01:30:37,695 --> 01:30:39,375 and, you know, we've agreed they can put 2525 01:30:39,375 --> 01:30:42,095 up their, whatever it is, 53 foot Christmas 2526 01:30:42,095 --> 01:30:42,914 tree, etcetera, 2527 01:30:43,295 --> 01:30:46,335 trying to make themselves look inclusive and and, 2528 01:30:46,335 --> 01:30:46,994 you know, 2529 01:30:47,614 --> 01:30:48,114 moderate. 2530 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,439 And and then I'm getting sent at the 2531 01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,399 same time video showing, the damage to to 2532 01:30:53,399 --> 01:30:56,039 one of the churches in Skalbaia and the 2533 01:30:56,039 --> 01:30:58,619 fact that many people from there have actually, 2534 01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:01,239 fled. You know, people now at the moment 2535 01:31:01,239 --> 01:31:02,220 are trying to 2536 01:31:02,784 --> 01:31:04,784 deal with the situation they have. And, of 2537 01:31:04,784 --> 01:31:07,045 course, that is being exploited because 2538 01:31:07,425 --> 01:31:09,765 when you've got videos like this, are they 2539 01:31:09,984 --> 01:31:10,484 content 2540 01:31:11,185 --> 01:31:13,364 to be having to take instructions 2541 01:31:13,744 --> 01:31:16,780 from terrorist groups that 4 years ago, 5 2542 01:31:16,780 --> 01:31:18,239 years ago, were besieging 2543 01:31:18,860 --> 01:31:19,600 their town 2544 01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:22,619 and and murdering their children with mortars on 2545 01:31:22,619 --> 01:31:24,619 a daily basis. No. Of course, they're not. 2546 01:31:24,619 --> 01:31:25,520 But they're afraid. 2547 01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:28,300 Well, you know, and this is a good 2548 01:31:28,300 --> 01:31:29,579 point to make in general that, you know 2549 01:31:29,659 --> 01:31:30,800 so here, you're highlighting 2550 01:31:31,164 --> 01:31:33,725 something that is historically clear. I mean, Netanyahu 2551 01:31:33,725 --> 01:31:36,444 and Israel bomb almost as I mean, every 2552 01:31:36,444 --> 01:31:38,444 Christmas as far as I can remember. Syria. 2553 01:31:38,444 --> 01:31:40,045 It's a very common thing. But so they 2554 01:31:40,045 --> 01:31:41,404 come in and call you a liar for 2555 01:31:41,404 --> 01:31:43,645 pointing out that this is happening, and this 2556 01:31:43,645 --> 01:31:44,844 is a good point to make. We're here. 2557 01:31:44,844 --> 01:31:46,719 Yes. You can show them saying 2558 01:31:47,179 --> 01:31:49,260 words. Yes. That sounds good. Yes. We'll do 2559 01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:51,420 this. But here is your actual evidence as 2560 01:31:51,420 --> 01:31:53,340 a journalist during well, here they are destroying 2561 01:31:53,340 --> 01:31:54,699 the church that we're talking about. You know? 2562 01:31:54,699 --> 01:31:56,060 And so this this is the a good 2563 01:31:56,060 --> 01:31:58,064 kind of ending in in analogy, I guess, 2564 01:31:58,305 --> 01:31:59,204 of the reality. 2565 01:31:59,664 --> 01:32:01,765 People can say a lot of things. Politicians, 2566 01:32:02,225 --> 01:32:04,225 terrorists in Syria, and the people that want 2567 01:32:04,225 --> 01:32:06,225 to support, you know, that gain from it 2568 01:32:06,225 --> 01:32:08,305 will lie and say whatever they want. The 2569 01:32:08,305 --> 01:32:10,829 the the the the the point here is 2570 01:32:10,829 --> 01:32:12,270 for you to take the do your due 2571 01:32:12,270 --> 01:32:15,630 diligence, show discernment, don't fall into whatever narrative 2572 01:32:15,630 --> 01:32:17,469 works for your partisan side, look to people 2573 01:32:17,469 --> 01:32:19,889 like Vanessa who are actually doing the work 2574 01:32:19,949 --> 01:32:21,789 and showing you not what they're saying they're 2575 01:32:21,789 --> 01:32:23,605 gonna do but what they're doing. You know, 2576 01:32:23,605 --> 01:32:25,085 I mean, it's amazing that we even have 2577 01:32:25,085 --> 01:32:26,525 to make that point. But I think the 2578 01:32:26,525 --> 01:32:28,925 Twitter files element of all this today which, 2579 01:32:28,925 --> 01:32:30,284 you know, I use that point often, but 2580 01:32:30,284 --> 01:32:31,805 it I think people understand what I'm getting 2581 01:32:31,805 --> 01:32:33,645 at. You know, that instead of source material, 2582 01:32:33,645 --> 01:32:35,805 it became screenshots of source material. You know, 2583 01:32:35,805 --> 01:32:36,945 it's just this slow 2584 01:32:37,324 --> 01:32:39,840 decline. Yeah. And so, again, I just really 2585 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,199 value your work and all this and how 2586 01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,760 people will continue to go to your website, 2587 01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,439 which I'll include down below and and all 2588 01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,199 the work you're doing. You know, it's just 2589 01:32:47,279 --> 01:32:48,560 I'm I'm glad for you out there and 2590 01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,000 people like you, Vanessa. So thank you for 2591 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:50,819 joining me again. 2592 01:32:51,135 --> 01:32:53,295 No. Thanks for having me on, Ryan. Always. 2593 01:32:53,295 --> 01:32:54,114 And as always 2594 01:32:54,494 --> 01:32:56,595 as as always, everybody out there question everything. 2595 01:32:56,654 --> 01:32:57,795 Come to your own conclusions. 2596 01:32:58,095 --> 01:32:58,835 Stay vigilant. 2597 01:32:59,454 --> 01:33:01,935 It starts and it's it's really fascinating to 2598 01:33:01,935 --> 01:33:04,675 go back. It starts, in 1996 2599 01:33:05,295 --> 01:33:06,034 with Netanyahu 2600 01:33:06,770 --> 01:33:09,189 who wrote a book called Fighting, Terrorism. 2601 01:33:09,969 --> 01:33:12,710 And the thesis of the book is, quite 2602 01:33:13,409 --> 01:33:14,229 straightforward and and 2603 01:33:14,609 --> 01:33:15,109 and, 2604 01:33:16,210 --> 01:33:17,029 very dangerous. 2605 01:33:17,409 --> 01:33:19,829 He says, you know, there are there's Hamas, 2606 01:33:19,890 --> 01:33:23,625 there's Hezbollah. They oppose Israel. It's not good 2607 01:33:23,625 --> 01:33:25,645 for us to fight them directly. 2608 01:33:26,024 --> 01:33:27,244 That that won't work. 2609 01:33:27,784 --> 01:33:29,965 What we need to do is topple 2610 01:33:30,265 --> 01:33:31,005 the governments 2611 01:33:31,625 --> 01:33:34,425 that's that back them. So what we need 2612 01:33:34,425 --> 01:33:37,539 is regime change throughout the Middle East. And 2613 01:33:37,539 --> 01:33:40,579 he actually gave a long list of 7 2614 01:33:40,579 --> 01:33:41,079 countries, 2615 01:33:41,779 --> 01:33:42,600 that included, 2616 01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:43,640 Syria, 2617 01:33:44,340 --> 01:33:44,840 Libya, 2618 01:33:45,779 --> 01:33:46,279 Iraq, 2619 01:33:46,579 --> 01:33:47,079 Iran, 2620 01:33:47,939 --> 01:33:48,439 Somalia, 2621 01:33:49,219 --> 01:33:50,760 Sudan, and Lebanon. 2622 01:33:51,484 --> 01:33:52,545 And systematically, 2623 01:33:54,125 --> 01:33:57,905 the United States has done Netanyahu's bidding for 2624 01:33:58,125 --> 01:34:01,024 almost 30 years now going to war 2625 01:34:01,324 --> 01:34:03,965 with every one of them except for the 2626 01:34:03,965 --> 01:34:04,704 big one, 2627 01:34:05,010 --> 01:34:05,750 that Netanyahu 2628 01:34:06,130 --> 01:34:08,289 so much longs for, which is the war 2629 01:34:08,289 --> 01:34:11,890 directly between the United States and Iran. About 2630 01:34:11,890 --> 01:34:13,649 10 days after 9:11, I went through the 2631 01:34:13,649 --> 01:34:16,710 Pentagon, and I saw secretary Rumsfeld and 2632 01:34:17,284 --> 01:34:20,005 and deputy secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just 2633 01:34:20,005 --> 01:34:21,204 to say hello to some of the people 2634 01:34:21,204 --> 01:34:22,885 on the joint staff who used used to 2635 01:34:22,885 --> 01:34:24,164 work for me, and one of the generals 2636 01:34:24,164 --> 01:34:25,704 called me and he said, sir, you gotta 2637 01:34:26,085 --> 01:34:27,444 come in you gotta come in and talk 2638 01:34:27,444 --> 01:34:28,645 to me a second. I said, well, you're 2639 01:34:28,645 --> 01:34:30,824 too busy. He said, no. No. He says, 2640 01:34:31,570 --> 01:34:33,729 we've made the decision we're going to war 2641 01:34:33,729 --> 01:34:34,630 with Iraq. 2642 01:34:35,010 --> 01:34:37,110 This was on or about the 20th September. 2643 01:34:37,810 --> 01:34:39,810 So, I said, well, did they find some 2644 01:34:39,810 --> 01:34:42,770 information collect connecting Saddam to Al Qaeda? He 2645 01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:45,409 said, no. No. He says, there's nothing new 2646 01:34:45,409 --> 01:34:47,715 that way. They just made the decision to 2647 01:34:47,715 --> 01:34:49,795 go to war with Iraq. He said, I 2648 01:34:49,795 --> 01:34:51,715 guess it's like we don't know what to 2649 01:34:51,715 --> 01:34:53,255 do about terrorists, but 2650 01:34:53,875 --> 01:34:55,475 we've got a good military and we can 2651 01:34:55,475 --> 01:34:58,274 take down governments. And, he said, I guess 2652 01:34:58,274 --> 01:34:59,954 if the only tool you have is a 2653 01:34:59,954 --> 01:35:01,795 hammer, every problem has to look like a 2654 01:35:01,795 --> 01:35:02,295 nail. 2655 01:35:03,630 --> 01:35:05,149 So I came back to see him a 2656 01:35:05,149 --> 01:35:06,050 few weeks later, 2657 01:35:06,829 --> 01:35:08,510 and by that time, we were bombing in 2658 01:35:08,510 --> 01:35:10,029 Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to 2659 01:35:10,029 --> 01:35:11,550 war with Iraq? And he said, oh, it's 2660 01:35:11,550 --> 01:35:13,949 worse than that. He said, he reached over 2661 01:35:13,949 --> 01:35:15,149 on his desk. He picked up a piece 2662 01:35:15,149 --> 01:35:16,814 of paper. He said, I just he said, 2663 01:35:16,814 --> 01:35:18,975 I just got this down from upstairs, meaning 2664 01:35:18,975 --> 01:35:20,734 the secretary of defense office today, and he 2665 01:35:20,734 --> 01:35:22,734 said, this is a memo that describes how 2666 01:35:22,734 --> 01:35:25,074 we're gonna take out 7 countries 2667 01:35:25,694 --> 01:35:26,755 in 5 years, 2668 01:35:27,215 --> 01:35:29,475 starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, 2669 01:35:29,854 --> 01:35:32,970 Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.