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Welcome to the Independent Media Alliance. We're here

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today for, I believe, our 4th panel to

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discuss something that is a very terrifying topic.

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At least, just speaking for myself that I've

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already expressed everybody in this panel. This is

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something that genuinely unnerves me. And this is

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the conversation of the

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the Bitcoin reserve currency conversation, Donald Trump's announcements

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and how this will be used going forward.

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But the intersection of this topic around the

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idea of artificial intelligence, around the idea of

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CBDCs,

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things like, you know,

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intensive carbon tracking ideas, things that really

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are the antithesis of freedom, which is the

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main point of why we're discussing this. There's

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a lot of overlap to this topic around

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financial benefit, which I'm sure we all enjoy

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when that comes about. But the idea is

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that these things

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the idea of Bitcoin itself or the idea

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of cryptocurrency, at least as we understand it,

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was designed as something to counteract the system,

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and it seems to be merging. And that's

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something that really is

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obviously concerning for a lot of people that

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know where this was really meant to be

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used

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in the context of freedom. So I'd like

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to start today and round the conversation of

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the reserve currency for those that may not

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know what this means, where Bitcoin plays into

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that. And so today joining, we have Jason

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Bermas, Steve Poikkanen, and Catherine Austin Pitts. How

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are you all today?

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Hey, Rob. Thank you for doing this.

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Thank you. Good to know. My pleasure. I

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mean, I think we're I think we all

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see this to be a very

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important conversation for life. I think for things

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that we don't even really understand where it's

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gonna go just yet. So let let's go

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and start, Catherine, if you will, with the

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conversation of the reserve currency and why you

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see this as a concerning discussion.

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So actually, the the immediate conversation is not

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about using Bitcoin as a reserve currency, but

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using it as, quote, unquote, a strategic reserve

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asset. So we all know about the the

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oil petroleum reserve as a strategic asset. So,

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and this came up

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in government when you wanna float a very

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a very

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sort of new or aggressive policy, you'll have

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trial balloons.

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And the first trial balloon I ever saw

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on,

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on the government making very big money bets

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on Bitcoin was at a

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crypto conference in Aspen in 2017.

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And it was one of the most terrifying

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proposals I've ever heard, but seriously,

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at that point, not serious.

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And then I heard a new trial balloon,

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from,

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RFK, from Kennedy

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at Bitcoin 2024.

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And then,

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a lesser

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a less frightening one from Trump when he

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spoke at Bitcoin 2024, which was in Nashville

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in the summer of this year.

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But then we see more. And as soon

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as the election was over,

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legislators

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I know who've been working on financial freedom

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were suddenly inundated

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with a campaign

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to aggressively

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persuade the states as well as the federal

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government

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to buy Bitcoin.

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Now let me step back. I just published

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a review

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of Roger Ver and Steve Patterson's book called

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Hijacking Bitcoin. Have has anyone here read that

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yet?

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I've not. I took a note of it

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when you put it up there, though. That

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looks like something that you would I I

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can't recommend enough because it describes how

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Bitcoin

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moved from a

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an idea that could have built a really

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great global payment system that really could help

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people be more free

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and literally got hijacked

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into,

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something that was relatively illiquid. And

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what I would say as a financial professional

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was sort of managed and governed in a

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way that would make it a very useful

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tool for speculative

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pumping and dumping, which is what, in fact,

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we've seen.

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But let's talk about what the proposal is.

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The proposal is

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that the states

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and the federal government,

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announce very significant long term buying programs of

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Bitcoin

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and proceed to buy Bitcoin and hold it

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on their balance sheet as an asset.

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Now one of the things that that is

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happening at the same time

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is we'd see a discussion of the federal

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government either auctioning,

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privatizing, or monetizing its real assets on its

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balance sheet. So it's land and mineral resources.

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In fact, we had the,

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Howard Lochnick, who's the was the transition co

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chairman for Trump,

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and now is the nominee for commerce,

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who is,

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anyways, talking about how don't worry about the

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$36,000,000,000,000

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of debt. The government has $500,000,000,000,000

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of land and mineral resources. And we know

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that people are very interested in aggressively getting

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resources as we've seen in Western North Carolina

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and Eastern Tennessee, Lahaina, other places. Anyway,

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so how would this work?

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what you would see if the government announced

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a long term buying program of Bitcoin,

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it would help drive the price up dramatically

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and hold it there. It would make it

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possible for people with large positions

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to get out of their,

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their positions at a high price

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in a market

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that would be liquidity

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would be created by the government purchases. If

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they try to liquefy their Bitcoin

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holdings right now, it would dramatically,

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affect the price

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and make it

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I I would say it would be impossible

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for them to really get out of their

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current positions

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in any kind of decent price because it's

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a relatively illiquid market.

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but what that would do, the way the

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government would get the money is either by

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taxing,

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you know, a population, most of whom the

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majority of whom don't own any Bitcoin.

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debt to their retirement funds

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and then take that money and invest

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it in Bitcoin,

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putting Bitcoin on the balance sheet.

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Bitcoin

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people with large positions will be able

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to not only sell into that program, but

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do it on a secret basis

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and do it on a tax free basis

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if they buy real estate.

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about is a is

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a is a crypto

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for real asset swap swap,

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in a way that's gonna artificially pump up

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the price of the

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crypto or the Bitcoin and and artificially depress

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the price of the real assets.

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Now why is this important?

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on in the financial system,

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we've had decade after decade of creating paper,

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creating paper, creating paper.

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right now, what the the people running the

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financial system want is they're trying to grab

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the real assets.

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Okay? And so this is a way to

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to exit your Bitcoin,

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and and get a hold of the real

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assets, if you will. And I have to

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tell you, it's the,

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I don't think it's gonna happen. I think

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too many sound heads are gonna try and

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stop it. But if it did happen, it

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would be

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the biggest financial scam yet at the federal

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government. And,

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and I say that as knowing that during

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the bailouts, we had $23,000,000,000,000

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go out on the bailouts, and we have

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$21,000,000,000,000,

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missing now from the federal account. So we

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have almost 50,000,000,000,000,

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you know, of financial scams so far that

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we know of, and this one would be

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worse. This one would be bigger.

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So and and, normally, I would say, I

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can't imagine the hubris it would take to

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propose this,

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and yet

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it's being proposed. And somebody's spending a huge

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amount of money

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to generate this kind of astroturf and interest.

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So, now I do wanna mention, you know,

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many people believe,

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and I wanna go back to the fact

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that Bitcoin

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the original

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Bitcoin

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could have been something really great.

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So and, you know, and in theory,

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it it can always be brought back to

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that. But one of the attractive features of

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Bitcoin

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is that, essentially, that it was limited in

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the amount that could be created.

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particularly the addition of ETFs into the market,

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I assure you, you can counterfeit Bitcoin all

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day long.

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you know, one of the most attractive features

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of Bitcoin

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in terms of how it's being governed and

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managed, in my opinion, is completely gone because

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now Wall Street's got the bit in their

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teeth.

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on the natural asset company part that you

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mentioned there, which I think is a really

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central part of that. I at least want

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your opinion on how that plays in. But

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really quickly, do you think in in your

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mind, since this is seemingly being rolled out

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under the Trump and Vance administration, is this

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something that you think that they're aware of?

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in your opinion being played with? Or or,

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you know, how do you see that?

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first of all, there are many different parties

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who understand that the real land and minerals

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of owned by the federal government are very

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valuable. So if you go, we have our

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review of hijacking Bitcoin, but then we also

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have a description of of basically the Bitcoin

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strategic reserve scam.

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And, and in it, we have a clip

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of Howard Lutnick describing the fact that the

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US government has 500,000,000,000,

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yeah, 500,000,000,000,000

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of land and mineral resources.

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the Trump administration in 2018, at the same

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time they approved FASB 56,

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also approved the same year also approved a

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process

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for the geological

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survey to map out

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the into all minerals on federal lands in

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the entire United States. I think they're doing,

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in fact, all of North America, not just

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federal lands. And it's the mapping survey gives

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them the ability, I'm told, to go from

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the ground level down 3,000 feet.

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So, you know and they they are looking

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for rare earth. They're looking for lithium.

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They're looking for significant amount of of resources

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you need to build the control grid,

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whether it's the lithium to make the batteries

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or the energy

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to fuel the AI.

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so I think

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I think, you know, and and we have

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a serious problem in America

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with what I call plunder capitalism and the

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private equity firms.

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So I think the world of investment is

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100%

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clear

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on the value and importance of all those

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real assets, and they understand what can be

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done with them, good and bad.

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So I think I think at the top

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of the investment food chain, there's absolute clarity

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in what's going on. And if you look

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at the trial balloon I heard back in

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Aspen in 2017,

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you know, they've been playing with this for

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a long, long time. I mean, I've always

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believed that that that the

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Bitcoin and crypto was a a way of

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prototyping

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the control grid and getting sort of the

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freedom fighters helping you do it.

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Yeah. That that is a really terrifying aspect

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of this to,

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Mark Goodwin from Unlimited Hangout.

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He wrote in a in his chain series,

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just to quote him really quickly, he said,

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I must unfortunately now conclude that the emergence

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of this system, discussing what we're discussing, immediately

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after the 2008 financial crisis and the subsequent

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phase shifting adoption of Bitcoin by the institutional

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authors and beneficiaries of the pandemic's financial stimulus

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was the work of a modern intelligence community

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that has merged with the Silicon Valley technology,

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Meridian, since at least the 19 eighties, but

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unbashedly

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since the formation of the CIA's

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venture firm In Q Tel just before the

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turn of millennium. And I think this is

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a really difficult thing

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because at the same time, I think that

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just like anything like the Internet, I believe

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that there are possible positives like you're saying.

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The origin point is So so let me

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bring something up. I don't have you have

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you ever read Tim Wu's books?

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He ran to the governor,

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I don't know, about 4 or 5 years

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ago in New York. I think he's a

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professor at Columbia, and he wrote a wonderful

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book,

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about info if somebody just looks at it

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for a search engine, you'll find the name.

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But how for the last 150 years,

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a new information technology will come out. There's

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this unbelievable great period of blossoming

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where entrepreneurs see the potential of the technology.

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They get really excited.

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They prototype. They do a lot of things.

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And then suddenly, wham.

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You know, the the hand comes in and

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suddenly things are centralized,

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and the technology contributes to more central control.

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And and you have this blossom

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control, blossom control, blossom control. And he marches

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you through a 150 years

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of technology

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serving

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centralization

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when in fact, you know,

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each innovation is is followed by a period

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of entrepreneurs discovering how,

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in fact, this could make us more prosperous,

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freer,

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everything. And so so you have this tension.

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And I just think we're in a cycle

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that's been going on for quite,

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you know, for more than a century at

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least.

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Yeah. I agree. I think Mark made a

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similar point as well in that series about

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the idea of, like, the free market and

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how that's abused. Like, not that the free

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market is a bad idea, but that it's

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taken advantage of in the same way with

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this decentralization

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where it's sort of a a ploy to

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get us to believe that's the direction when

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really, like you're saying, it just continues to

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cycle us back into a control structure. And

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that's that's the so, I mean and by

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the way, feel free to jump in out

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if you have any thoughts on this. Like,

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so where do you see that being like,

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how do you circumvent that? Because, obviously, decentralization,

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I think, is where we should be aiming,

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but it seems like there have gained how

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to make us fall right back into the

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same trap every time. So here's what's very

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interesting. There was a

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a wonderful book that I read many several

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decades ago by a professor at Michigan University,

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Robert Axelrod. It's called The Evolution of Cooperation.

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And when computers first came out, he started

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to do simulations.

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And and the question he asked was,

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how could

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a society simply

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evolve

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to an economy of peace out of,

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you know, everybody making individual choices?

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In other words, how could we,

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through our culture and daily transactions and lives,

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choose enough people choose peace to to bring

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about their, you know, a peaceful society.

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And what he discovered was the condition precedent

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to doing that

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was transparency.

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And and the transparency

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was needed

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was I needed to be able to tell

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that Ryan was a bad guy and Jason

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was a good guy.

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So and and so I would shun Ryan

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and embrace and try and get my daughter

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to marry Jason. Right?

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And and it was simply people would shun

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the bad guys if they could see who

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they were.

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And I think one of the things that's

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been the most effective about

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media and the mind control and propaganda and

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treatment and all of that kind of stuff

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is it's got people thinking that our enemies

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are,

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you know, we we admire and crave attention

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from our enemies

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and disdain our friends. Right? We've got it

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upside down.

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So, you know, to me, one of the

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things we need to do is to bring

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transparency

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to what is really going on and who's

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really doing what

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so that the average person can start to

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make intelligent choices.

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Yeah. I agree. And I think it's rooted

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in the idea I I would agree that

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people are inherently good by and large. I

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do agree with that. And I think that's

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why always pretending to be good, and that

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comes to the point where I would agree

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with you. That if if we had double

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picture that that would drive our choices in

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the in the in the that direction, I

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would argue. But I think that's the circumvention.

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They're aware that that would be the case,

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so they trick us into believing we're taking

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the right choice, which drives us back in

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the same control. But this goes back as

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far as you can Here's the one thing

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because

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I wish I did believe people were good.

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I've seen so much

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training and programming to encourage people to believe

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they have to go along with what's gonna

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win.

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So, you know, Keynes used to say,

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the beauty contest

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didn't pick the most beautiful woman. They would

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pick the woman that they thought the other

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judges would think was pretty. Right? It's like

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the stock market. He was describing the stock

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market as a beauty contest.

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And,

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generally, many Americans go along with great evil

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because they think those guys are gonna win.

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And they've just been, you know, sort of

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conditioned that way for many, many decades.

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Yeah. I think that's exactly what we're seeing

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right now in the world today. But let

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let bringing this back by the way, if

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you guys have any thoughts on what's been

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said so far, feel free to jump in.

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I was gonna bring it into this. Let

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me let me just jump in on, what

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you said about whether or not this administration

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knows what they're doing and whether this could

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be malicious.

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I don't think Trump himself really has any

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idea

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about the crypto system. You got to remember

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while he was kind of pandering to the

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libertarians

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and the Bitcoin bros, he said, we're gonna

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make all the Bitcoin in the United States.

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Obviously, that's not how it works. Right?

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At the same time,

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I don't think JD Vance is an idiot

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when it comes to Blockchain technology,

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etcetera.

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I do expect,

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you know, that Peter Thiel influence

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to be in this as well.

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And the other thing is,

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you know, when you look at digital currency

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altogether, you know,

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I I've been around the Bitcoin game

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since it started. Right? I remember I was

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having Max Keiser on my show before it

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was a dollar. And, you know, we were

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talking about USBs

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and keys and secure you know, all the

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things before there were even real exchanges when

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it really was

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kind of this individual to individual,

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proof of work,

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concept.

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Right? And there's this whole other industry around

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it. And now, with Bitcoin and Ethereum, by

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the way,

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being adopted on the ETF market,

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that's a huge game changer. And I would

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also argue

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there are more things with Ethereum

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and the sub coins and subcontracts

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that you really have to worry about when

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we are talking about artificial intelligence,

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command

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control, etcetera.

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I think bitcoin

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itself is more like

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a value stock. Right? Like like that's that's

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the new digital gold if they put that

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in.

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Other avenues are gonna be different things. Now,

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whether or not that's fast tracked with this

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administration,

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remains to be seen. I think there will

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be pushback, but I think you're gonna see

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huge manipulations

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in the markets. And the thing is,

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you know, I've talked about this for years.

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We've already kind of had

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a global digital currency outside of the blockchain

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for a very long time through the International

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Monetary Fund. It's known as the SDR, the

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special drawing rights unit. As soon as they

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made it into zeros and ones and then

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literally zero accountability

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of where that money goes or comes from,

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it's created out of nowhere,

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you were on a path

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to something that even goes beyond a global

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federal reserve. Right? And nowadays, you know, this

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is an old thing, but they're running, you

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know, refugee camps on the blockchain.

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So, you know, this is a World Economic

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Forum deal, but it's through the IMF,

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and basically your biometrics as you've seen, and

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this end of the spectrum was really beta

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tested during the war of terror when we

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were doing this in Iraq, Afghanistan,

549
00:20:04,539 --> 00:20:05,980
but this is where they're going to find

550
00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:06,480
work.

551
00:20:07,019 --> 00:20:07,839
This decides,

552
00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:11,519
where they're going to sleep at the refugee

553
00:20:11,579 --> 00:20:14,174
camp, and they talk about how much money

554
00:20:14,174 --> 00:20:15,375
it's going to save and how it's going

555
00:20:15,375 --> 00:20:18,274
to be your passport, your exam certificate, etcetera,

556
00:20:18,654 --> 00:20:20,514
and they've exploited regions,

557
00:20:21,375 --> 00:20:23,615
that are the most exploitative. Right? These are

558
00:20:23,615 --> 00:20:24,115
refugees

559
00:20:26,014 --> 00:20:28,289
under this guy. So, they've already got this

560
00:20:28,289 --> 00:20:30,450
kind of in a global beta for a

561
00:20:30,450 --> 00:20:32,929
while. If this gets brought to the United

562
00:20:32,929 --> 00:20:34,849
States on any level, I think it's bad

563
00:20:34,849 --> 00:20:35,509
news, Brown.

564
00:20:36,529 --> 00:20:38,470
I also think when you're talking about

565
00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:40,150
But we isn't

566
00:20:40,609 --> 00:20:42,390
it boring in the United States?

567
00:20:42,744 --> 00:20:44,585
I mean, we're already throwing people off of

568
00:20:44,585 --> 00:20:47,244
bank accounts. We're already messing with their transactions.

569
00:20:47,464 --> 00:20:50,284
Yeah. We're already doing the equivalent of sanctions.

570
00:20:50,505 --> 00:20:51,005
We're

571
00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:53,784
I mean I would argue the only difference

572
00:20:53,784 --> 00:20:55,304
is we're not on the blockchain with it

573
00:20:55,304 --> 00:20:58,059
yet. Right? Where every single transaction

574
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:58,600
now

575
00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,740
like,

576
00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,759
we talk about parallel economies all the time.

577
00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:03,259
Right?

578
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,600
Those exist in some direction. Like, I got

579
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:07,740
kicked off a GoFundMe.

580
00:21:08,315 --> 00:21:09,994
I can do a buy me a coffee.

581
00:21:09,994 --> 00:21:12,075
Right? There there are certain ways. But like

582
00:21:12,075 --> 00:21:13,615
you said, with banking systems,

583
00:21:13,994 --> 00:21:14,734
with PayPal,

584
00:21:15,194 --> 00:21:17,835
Venmo, etcetera, you're you're a 100% right. It's

585
00:21:17,835 --> 00:21:20,250
already in the United States. But if it

586
00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:22,890
comes to the level of say a world

587
00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:24,730
coin, I'm not sure if you're aware of

588
00:21:24,730 --> 00:21:26,910
that coin, but that's what Sam Altman, yeah,

589
00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:27,630
where

590
00:21:28,009 --> 00:21:29,230
your digital biometrics

591
00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:31,869
are now not only hooked into your identity,

592
00:21:31,930 --> 00:21:34,670
but all of your financial and social transactions.

593
00:21:35,284 --> 00:21:36,884
It's all and that's when you can get

594
00:21:36,884 --> 00:21:37,524
it on,

595
00:21:38,164 --> 00:21:38,904
a minutious

596
00:21:39,204 --> 00:21:40,424
scale of resources.

597
00:21:40,884 --> 00:21:43,944
And the scary thing about the artificial intelligence

598
00:21:44,164 --> 00:21:44,825
to me

599
00:21:45,284 --> 00:21:46,804
is a lot of people, you know, and

600
00:21:46,804 --> 00:21:49,125
again, this extends beyond the Trump administration, and

601
00:21:49,125 --> 00:21:52,539
the Trump administration is now absorbing this is,

602
00:21:52,859 --> 00:21:53,759
the CAIO

603
00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:56,460
program that's already out there. And that's the

604
00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:56,960
chief,

605
00:21:57,339 --> 00:21:59,599
artificial intelligence officer program

606
00:21:59,980 --> 00:22:00,480
that

607
00:22:01,099 --> 00:22:04,220
is already being implemented in all companies that

608
00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:05,440
not only use utilize

609
00:22:05,855 --> 00:22:08,914
AI software, but hardware. Right? We already have

610
00:22:08,974 --> 00:22:09,474
presidential

611
00:22:09,775 --> 00:22:10,275
actions

612
00:22:10,734 --> 00:22:12,355
on how this takes place,

613
00:22:12,974 --> 00:22:14,595
and and the deal is this.

614
00:22:15,615 --> 00:22:17,154
Governments are completely

615
00:22:17,695 --> 00:22:19,234
exempt of any audit,

616
00:22:19,934 --> 00:22:21,315
and every other

617
00:22:21,769 --> 00:22:22,269
one

618
00:22:22,569 --> 00:22:26,029
is audited, and your chief AI intelligence officer

619
00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:28,329
has to be at a certain security level

620
00:22:28,329 --> 00:22:30,990
above top secret and go through a course.

621
00:22:31,289 --> 00:22:33,464
So now if you're even involved in this,

622
00:22:33,544 --> 00:22:36,424
you have government regulation from the outset. So

623
00:22:36,424 --> 00:22:38,684
there is no real competition right now.

624
00:22:38,984 --> 00:22:40,044
That is extremely

625
00:22:40,505 --> 00:22:43,804
frightening to me that the only people exempt

626
00:22:44,184 --> 00:22:45,644
are the intel communities

627
00:22:46,109 --> 00:22:47,009
and basically

628
00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:50,990
these advanced military programs and subcontractors. Oh, can

629
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:53,069
I make that make a little bit more

630
00:22:53,069 --> 00:22:54,210
frightening for a second?

631
00:22:54,829 --> 00:22:56,450
Please. Because the federal government

632
00:22:56,910 --> 00:23:00,349
for many decades has refused to obey the

633
00:23:00,349 --> 00:23:01,845
financial management laws

634
00:23:02,804 --> 00:23:05,684
and has promulgated policies that allow them to

635
00:23:05,684 --> 00:23:06,904
keep secret books.

636
00:23:07,605 --> 00:23:09,784
And not only then keep secret books,

637
00:23:10,164 --> 00:23:12,585
but the large contractors and banks

638
00:23:13,204 --> 00:23:15,865
in combination with the national security and classification

639
00:23:16,085 --> 00:23:18,109
laws keep secret books. Okay?

640
00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:19,710
So the whole infrastructure,

641
00:23:20,009 --> 00:23:23,150
public and private, is keeping secret books

642
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:26,569
while the private infrastructure is basically taking over

643
00:23:26,569 --> 00:23:27,710
government operations

644
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:29,775
while collecting tax.

645
00:23:30,734 --> 00:23:33,075
So so now we have a

646
00:23:34,095 --> 00:23:34,994
tax collecting

647
00:23:35,295 --> 00:23:37,855
banking and corporate infrastructure with the power of

648
00:23:37,855 --> 00:23:38,355
government

649
00:23:39,055 --> 00:23:41,634
with no financial disclosure and completely

650
00:23:41,934 --> 00:23:45,179
operating outside of the financial management laws. And

651
00:23:45,179 --> 00:23:48,539
it's teamed up with with international organizations like

652
00:23:48,539 --> 00:23:50,799
the BIS who have sovereign immunity.

653
00:23:51,819 --> 00:23:53,679
So you basically have

654
00:23:54,779 --> 00:23:57,099
a group who are getting close to controlling

655
00:23:57,099 --> 00:23:58,480
all the money on the planet,

656
00:23:59,025 --> 00:23:59,525
who

657
00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:02,865
have basically created an infrastructure that says they

658
00:24:02,865 --> 00:24:04,404
don't have to obey any laws.

659
00:24:05,664 --> 00:24:08,224
Don't worry though, Catherine, because Elon Musk and

660
00:24:08,224 --> 00:24:09,125
Vivek Ramaswami

661
00:24:09,585 --> 00:24:10,884
are going to save us.

662
00:24:13,529 --> 00:24:15,769
Alright. Listen. Hey. Let's get into that real

663
00:24:15,769 --> 00:24:18,089
quick. I do wanna kinda talk about that

664
00:24:18,089 --> 00:24:18,910
a little bit.

665
00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:21,950
You you guys know the deal that

666
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:24,974
I'm in these conservative circles all the time

667
00:24:25,054 --> 00:24:27,234
and I'm around these people that really do

668
00:24:27,615 --> 00:24:29,394
hero worship these guys. Right?

669
00:24:29,855 --> 00:24:30,914
At the same time,

670
00:24:31,535 --> 00:24:33,775
I do wanna believe that Rama Swamy is

671
00:24:33,775 --> 00:24:35,315
gonna cut some of these bureaucracies.

672
00:24:36,494 --> 00:24:38,174
I I I, again, I'm I'm very hesitant

673
00:24:38,174 --> 00:24:40,194
to believe we're getting the 911 documents.

674
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:41,450
Right? Yes.

675
00:24:41,829 --> 00:24:44,409
Okay. Let me just challenge you on this.

676
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:46,470
Sure. I used to be hopeful. I didn't

677
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:47,769
say he's gonna do it.

678
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:50,150
No. I'm not hopeful for the good thing

679
00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:51,750
to happen. I I don't think it's a

680
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:52,490
good thing.

681
00:24:53,204 --> 00:24:55,044
Okay. Oh, good. That's perfect. Go ahead. So

682
00:24:55,044 --> 00:24:56,825
let me let me explain why.

683
00:24:57,525 --> 00:24:59,765
You know, for a 100 plus years, we've

684
00:24:59,765 --> 00:25:01,444
had a balance of power where the central

685
00:25:01,444 --> 00:25:04,105
bankers run monetary policy and the bankers,

686
00:25:04,565 --> 00:25:06,565
because the central bankers are really owned and

687
00:25:06,565 --> 00:25:09,109
controlled by the the New York Fed and

688
00:25:09,109 --> 00:25:11,349
their members. It's controlled by their members. Okay.

689
00:25:11,349 --> 00:25:13,750
So so you have the bankers controlling monetary

690
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:16,149
policy, and you have the people's representatives controlling

691
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:17,049
fiscal policy.

692
00:25:17,429 --> 00:25:17,929
Okay?

693
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:20,549
And the growth of the deep state has

694
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:21,049
paralleled

695
00:25:21,795 --> 00:25:24,275
more and more government operations being moved out

696
00:25:24,275 --> 00:25:26,115
of the hands of the civil service into

697
00:25:26,115 --> 00:25:27,494
private banks and corporations,

698
00:25:28,355 --> 00:25:30,934
you know, which was exploded by the executive

699
00:25:32,195 --> 00:25:33,255
order from,

700
00:25:33,555 --> 00:25:36,115
you know, promulgated by Bush under Reagan that

701
00:25:36,115 --> 00:25:38,830
said private corporations can do highly classified

702
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,430
secret things,

703
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:43,289
you know, financed by the government, which connected

704
00:25:43,289 --> 00:25:45,690
the stock market and driving the stock market

705
00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:48,170
up with the treasury market on doing lots

706
00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:49,849
of secret stuff. And then we're off to

707
00:25:49,849 --> 00:25:50,509
the races.

708
00:25:50,809 --> 00:25:53,055
And that's what drove the deep state up.

709
00:25:54,095 --> 00:25:56,355
So the civil service, by and large,

710
00:25:56,894 --> 00:25:59,055
does what they get written orders to do

711
00:25:59,055 --> 00:26:00,674
with some exceptions. Okay?

712
00:26:01,055 --> 00:26:03,134
If you don't like what they're doing, change

713
00:26:03,134 --> 00:26:04,195
the written orders.

714
00:26:04,735 --> 00:26:07,295
If they're acting in corrupt ways, you reform

715
00:26:07,295 --> 00:26:07,680
it.

716
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,519
But they report to congress and they follow

717
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:12,740
what congress does.

718
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,940
If you replace them with big tech contractors

719
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,420
and more Amazon, Oracle, and Google,

720
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,299
guess who they're gonna report to?

721
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:23,380
Yeah. But doesn't it kind of already?

722
00:26:23,734 --> 00:26:24,875
Isn't that the problem?

723
00:26:25,734 --> 00:26:27,174
No. No. But let me challenge you on

724
00:26:27,174 --> 00:26:28,955
that because if you look at the group

725
00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:32,715
ridiculous crazy stuff has been stopped

726
00:26:33,174 --> 00:26:35,575
by civil service who refused to break the

727
00:26:35,575 --> 00:26:36,075
law.

728
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,380
So let me give you an example.

729
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,019
When I became assistant secretary of housing,

730
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,480
I was required by law to run the

731
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,799
single family mortgage insurance fund on a self

732
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:46,700
supporting basis.

733
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:47,819
Okay?

734
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:49,984
When I got there, it turns out I

735
00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:52,304
couldn't get the financial information on whether we're

736
00:26:52,304 --> 00:26:54,224
making or losing money because the account is

737
00:26:54,224 --> 00:26:56,164
reported to a different assistant secretary.

738
00:26:56,464 --> 00:26:58,464
I spent 3 months fighting and lobbying, and

739
00:26:58,464 --> 00:27:00,065
I got them moved over to report to

740
00:27:00,065 --> 00:27:02,490
me. And then what I discovered is the

741
00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:04,570
critical amount of data that I needed to

742
00:27:04,570 --> 00:27:05,309
make sure,

743
00:27:05,849 --> 00:27:07,369
1, I knew what was going on and

744
00:27:07,369 --> 00:27:08,970
I fixed it, so I was in compliance

745
00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:11,210
with the law, was controlled by a defense

746
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:13,150
contractor who refused to give it to me.

747
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:15,309
And so literally, even though

748
00:27:15,795 --> 00:27:17,875
I had the authority and I was I

749
00:27:17,875 --> 00:27:19,255
had fiduciary responsibility,

750
00:27:20,275 --> 00:27:22,115
I couldn't enforce the law because I had

751
00:27:22,115 --> 00:27:23,174
a private contractor

752
00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:26,595
refusing to give me the basic data on

753
00:27:26,595 --> 00:27:27,575
my own operation.

754
00:27:28,539 --> 00:27:29,039
Okay?

755
00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:32,059
So so and that is the deep state.

756
00:27:32,059 --> 00:27:34,000
That is the rise of the deep state.

757
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:36,299
So the idea that you're gonna replace the

758
00:27:36,299 --> 00:27:38,460
civil service, which doesn't cost a lot in

759
00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:40,619
the scheme of the money pouring out of

760
00:27:40,619 --> 00:27:42,505
the government, You know? And we'll talk about

761
00:27:42,505 --> 00:27:44,904
how you save money, but you're gonna replace

762
00:27:44,904 --> 00:27:46,045
the civil service

763
00:27:46,424 --> 00:27:48,904
with private contractors who are gonna make things

764
00:27:48,904 --> 00:27:49,404
better.

765
00:27:49,945 --> 00:27:52,505
It is the deep state has risen by

766
00:27:52,505 --> 00:27:54,845
private guys taking over government operations.

767
00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:58,180
You're you're just gonna you're gonna finish off

768
00:27:58,180 --> 00:28:00,579
the coup. Once you get a 100% of

769
00:28:00,579 --> 00:28:03,799
those operations into big tech and the defense

770
00:28:03,859 --> 00:28:04,359
contractors,

771
00:28:04,819 --> 00:28:06,920
you can reengineer the whole government

772
00:28:07,539 --> 00:28:09,880
like that all within all digital systems.

773
00:28:10,315 --> 00:28:12,315
And then But aren't they already there in

774
00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:14,075
a lot of respects? Like, we talk about,

775
00:28:14,075 --> 00:28:16,095
like, Google. Right. You know something?

776
00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:19,515
K. So so if, you know, if you're

777
00:28:19,515 --> 00:28:21,674
in the emergency room and somebody says, well,

778
00:28:21,674 --> 00:28:22,894
he's almost dead.

779
00:28:23,609 --> 00:28:25,769
Right? You're not dead yet, and we can

780
00:28:25,769 --> 00:28:26,509
save you.

781
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:27,950
But but,

782
00:28:28,569 --> 00:28:31,069
I think turning the government over

783
00:28:31,849 --> 00:28:34,490
to to the very thing that has made

784
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:36,569
things steadily worse and made the you know,

785
00:28:36,569 --> 00:28:38,835
given the deep state all its power, you

786
00:28:38,835 --> 00:28:41,315
know, before you take this final step. Because

787
00:28:41,315 --> 00:28:43,474
when you take that final step, you are

788
00:28:43,474 --> 00:28:46,595
saying, okay, Congress doesn't control the government. The

789
00:28:46,595 --> 00:28:48,775
central bankers control fiscal policy.

790
00:28:49,154 --> 00:28:51,154
And then with with a digital ID and

791
00:28:51,154 --> 00:28:54,140
digital currency, you're just boom. There you are.

792
00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:54,799
You're into

793
00:28:55,259 --> 00:28:57,179
the control grid, and it's the end of

794
00:28:57,179 --> 00:28:57,839
the constitution.

795
00:28:58,619 --> 00:28:59,119
Mhmm.

796
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:00,779
Go ahead, Jason. You have some thoughts you

797
00:29:00,779 --> 00:29:02,559
can tell. Go ahead. Well, one,

798
00:29:03,019 --> 00:29:04,460
I still think that you gotta get it.

799
00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:05,900
Like, for instance, if you look at something

800
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,325
like DHS, yeah, there's a bunch of subsidiaries

801
00:29:08,325 --> 00:29:09,865
with fusion centers, etcetera,

802
00:29:10,325 --> 00:29:12,164
but we were getting along fine without it.

803
00:29:12,164 --> 00:29:14,184
And we still had things like border patrol.

804
00:29:14,644 --> 00:29:16,484
Well, but but that's not getting rid of

805
00:29:16,484 --> 00:29:19,044
the civil service. That's getting rid of functions

806
00:29:19,044 --> 00:29:20,984
that the federal government shouldn't have.

807
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,720
Well, that's what I'm hoping. When when I

808
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,880
say for let's get back. Well, but wait

809
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,179
a minute. You know, because

810
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,619
when when I say I wanna cancel programs

811
00:29:30,679 --> 00:29:33,400
and I wanna cancel funding for programs, that's

812
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,079
very different than saying I wanna kill the

813
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:35,900
civil service.

814
00:29:36,474 --> 00:29:38,954
Mhmm. When when you Again, I'm not necessarily

815
00:29:38,954 --> 00:29:40,394
saying that you should get rid of all

816
00:29:40,394 --> 00:29:42,954
civil service. I'm not super libertarian in that

817
00:29:42,954 --> 00:29:45,115
regard. When I see not only just the

818
00:29:45,115 --> 00:29:46,255
intelligence communities,

819
00:29:47,274 --> 00:29:50,014
but so many of the contractors. Right? Like,

820
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,700
my argument would be this. We already have

821
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:55,980
a really dangerous plausible deniability circle. Right? And

822
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:57,200
we saw that especially

823
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,599
with the COVID 1984 nightmare.

824
00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:02,159
Now if Google, a company

825
00:30:02,539 --> 00:30:05,179
that was seed funded by the CIA through

826
00:30:05,179 --> 00:30:06,079
In Q Tel,

827
00:30:06,484 --> 00:30:09,205
Right? That was the number I mean, if

828
00:30:09,205 --> 00:30:11,365
you wanna describe a technopoly right now, I

829
00:30:11,365 --> 00:30:12,965
don't know how you could get beyond there.

830
00:30:12,965 --> 00:30:14,805
Right? It is the number one search engine

831
00:30:14,805 --> 00:30:16,884
in the world. It has the number one

832
00:30:16,884 --> 00:30:20,244
operating system on most devices in between Android

833
00:30:20,244 --> 00:30:21,785
phones and Chromebooks. Chromebooks,

834
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:23,599
which are basically mandatory

835
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:24,539
in,

836
00:30:25,019 --> 00:30:27,279
most schools now cradle to grave,

837
00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:30,240
they have contracts with the NSA.

838
00:30:30,619 --> 00:30:32,859
They have contracts with NASA over the last

839
00:30:32,859 --> 00:30:34,880
decade on artificial intelligence

840
00:30:35,394 --> 00:30:36,214
and its supremacy.

841
00:30:36,515 --> 00:30:38,115
I mean, you go through the list. Right?

842
00:30:38,115 --> 00:30:39,654
They they have a immortality

843
00:30:40,275 --> 00:30:42,035
division, and that's not even talking about the

844
00:30:42,035 --> 00:30:43,815
Lockheed Martins of the world, but that

845
00:30:44,115 --> 00:30:45,554
right there. And, by the way, they're the

846
00:30:45,554 --> 00:30:47,394
number 2 search engine in the world, which

847
00:30:47,394 --> 00:30:49,154
is the number one video platform in the

848
00:30:49,154 --> 00:30:49,974
world, YouTube.

849
00:30:50,309 --> 00:30:51,829
So now you say because it's on the

850
00:30:51,829 --> 00:30:53,829
stock market, it's a private company, and they

851
00:30:53,829 --> 00:30:55,909
can do what they want. But they're obviously

852
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:57,829
in collusion with the government on so many

853
00:30:57,829 --> 00:31:00,630
levels that at the very least, you already

854
00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:02,409
have all these conflicts of interest.

855
00:31:02,914 --> 00:31:04,294
You talked about transparency.

856
00:31:04,994 --> 00:31:07,714
We don't have any criminal culpability for either

857
00:31:07,714 --> 00:31:09,414
the government or their contractors.

858
00:31:09,954 --> 00:31:12,115
Right? And I guess this is the always

859
00:31:12,115 --> 00:31:13,634
the question that I ask people when we

860
00:31:13,634 --> 00:31:14,774
get down to it.

861
00:31:15,779 --> 00:31:17,640
How do we get some criminal accountability

862
00:31:18,019 --> 00:31:20,259
on any of these executive levels, whether it

863
00:31:20,259 --> 00:31:20,759
be

864
00:31:21,059 --> 00:31:22,360
on a corporate level,

865
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:25,559
on an NGO level, or on a government

866
00:31:25,619 --> 00:31:27,460
level? Because nobody can answer that to me.

867
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:30,259
Right? Like, I interviewed Giuliani about a month

868
00:31:30,259 --> 00:31:32,375
ago. Okay? And he's got a book out

869
00:31:32,375 --> 00:31:34,934
there, and it's called the Biden Crime Cartel,

870
00:31:34,934 --> 00:31:36,154
and it's the blueprint

871
00:31:36,694 --> 00:31:39,194
for prosecuting the Biden crime family.

872
00:31:39,494 --> 00:31:41,335
And, like, I open up with, like, as

873
00:31:41,335 --> 00:31:43,174
we're talking about, But, Rudy, no one's going

874
00:31:43,174 --> 00:31:44,875
to jail. That's not a real thing.

875
00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:47,369
And, you know, we kind of, well, his

876
00:31:47,369 --> 00:31:49,450
brother could be prosecuting his son. I go,

877
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:50,829
no one's been to jail

878
00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:53,450
since I ran Contra, and they all got

879
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:55,690
slaps on the wrist. And I'm like, they

880
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:57,609
made the face of it, Oliver North, who

881
00:31:57,609 --> 00:31:59,755
wasn't the face of it. He got book

882
00:31:59,755 --> 00:32:01,434
deals and became a millionaire, and he starts

883
00:32:01,434 --> 00:32:02,954
laughing. I'm like, that's not how you discourage

884
00:32:02,954 --> 00:32:04,714
it. And I'm like, the one other person

885
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:06,875
in on the executive level that I can

886
00:32:06,875 --> 00:32:08,875
name over the last, what, 2, 3 decades

887
00:32:08,875 --> 00:32:11,035
that went to jail was Scooter Libby, who

888
00:32:11,035 --> 00:32:13,035
took the fall on Enron, another one of

889
00:32:13,035 --> 00:32:13,470
those

890
00:32:13,869 --> 00:32:16,429
corporate subsidiary government things, and I go, Trump

891
00:32:16,429 --> 00:32:17,329
pardoned him.

892
00:32:18,029 --> 00:32:20,109
So what are we talking about here? Like,

893
00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:22,269
I'm with you. Like, I think the way

894
00:32:22,269 --> 00:32:25,089
that you do have a peaceful, productive society

895
00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:26,690
is that level of transparency.

896
00:32:27,855 --> 00:32:29,615
We've had the opposite of that for a

897
00:32:29,615 --> 00:32:31,855
very long time. And I

898
00:32:32,494 --> 00:32:33,795
go go ahead. Go ahead.

899
00:32:34,494 --> 00:32:36,035
So I feel like I'm monopolized,

900
00:32:36,894 --> 00:32:37,394
but

901
00:32:37,934 --> 00:32:40,894
the US economy is addicted to organized crime

902
00:32:40,894 --> 00:32:43,110
and war, and it's not in Washington. It's

903
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:44,410
in every one of 31100

904
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:45,210
counties.

905
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:48,390
So I I don't know, Ryan, if you

906
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:50,410
wanna play the red button video.

907
00:32:51,910 --> 00:32:53,049
It's 30 minutes.

908
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:55,830
Oh, the one you recommended for I'm sorry.

909
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:57,904
But but it's I'll tell it quickly.

910
00:32:58,285 --> 00:33:00,445
I was giving a speech long ago, and

911
00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:02,705
I was talking about the Iran contra,

912
00:33:03,325 --> 00:33:04,625
testimony in Congress.

913
00:33:05,325 --> 00:33:05,724
And,

914
00:33:06,525 --> 00:33:07,025
and,

915
00:33:07,965 --> 00:33:10,205
a spokesperson for the Department of Justice told

916
00:33:10,205 --> 00:33:11,724
a reporter I was working with at the

917
00:33:11,724 --> 00:33:13,710
time on the hearings that,

918
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:16,830
that the US economy wanders 500,000,000,000 to a

919
00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:18,750
$1,000,000,000,000 a year of all dirty money. That

920
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:21,470
was as of 1998, so the the number

921
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:22,609
is much bigger now.

922
00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:24,830
So I was at a conference. I was

923
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:27,744
speaking at a conference that of people who

924
00:33:27,744 --> 00:33:29,105
get together once a year to talk about

925
00:33:29,105 --> 00:33:31,184
how we can evolve our society spiritually. So

926
00:33:31,184 --> 00:33:31,845
they're very

927
00:33:32,144 --> 00:33:35,105
well educated, very committed to ethical learning. Anyway,

928
00:33:35,105 --> 00:33:36,625
so I said to this wonderful group of

929
00:33:36,625 --> 00:33:38,704
people, what would happen if we stop being

930
00:33:38,704 --> 00:33:40,865
the global money laundering leader? And we had

931
00:33:40,865 --> 00:33:42,944
a little conversation. And they said, well, you

932
00:33:42,944 --> 00:33:44,599
know, the stock market would go down because

933
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,440
that money would go to Hong Kong or

934
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,159
Zurich or London and leave New York Stock

935
00:33:49,159 --> 00:33:49,659
Exchange.

936
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,440
And, you know, we'd have trouble financing the

937
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,839
government deficit because, you know, and our taxes

938
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,105
might go up, our government checks might stop.

939
00:33:57,265 --> 00:33:58,865
I said, okay. Let's pretend there's a big

940
00:33:58,865 --> 00:34:00,304
red button up here in the lectern. And

941
00:34:00,304 --> 00:34:02,304
if you push that button, you can stop

942
00:34:02,304 --> 00:34:05,345
all hard narcotics trafficking in your city, your

943
00:34:05,345 --> 00:34:07,664
county, your state tomorrow that's defending the people

944
00:34:07,664 --> 00:34:08,164
who

945
00:34:08,465 --> 00:34:10,324
control 500,000,000,000 to a $1,000,000,000,000

946
00:34:10,704 --> 00:34:13,079
a year and the accumulated capital they're on.

947
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,320
Who here will push the button? And out

948
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,400
of a 100 people dedicated to evolving our

949
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,380
society spiritually,

950
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,920
only one would push the button. So I

951
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,519
said to the other 99, why would you

952
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:23,880
not push the button? And they said, we

953
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,619
don't want

954
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:27,480
our government checks to stop. We don't want

955
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,534
our taxes to go up, and we don't

956
00:34:29,534 --> 00:34:31,934
want our IRAs and 401ks to go down

957
00:34:31,934 --> 00:34:32,594
in value.

958
00:34:33,934 --> 00:34:36,815
So if you're the president and you know,

959
00:34:36,815 --> 00:34:39,534
let's make Brian the president on January 20th.

960
00:34:39,534 --> 00:34:41,829
He walks into the Oval Office, and he

961
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:43,829
says to his political, you know, his Karl

962
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:45,050
Rove political guy,

963
00:34:46,469 --> 00:34:47,130
you know,

964
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:49,269
Karl Rove is gonna say to him, okay.

965
00:34:49,269 --> 00:34:51,349
The American people will spend several $1,000,000,000 to

966
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:53,775
get you elected, mister president. They all, you

967
00:34:53,775 --> 00:34:55,614
know, they want payback. They want their guard

968
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:57,855
they want their community block development grant. They

969
00:34:57,855 --> 00:34:59,934
want their COLA increased. They want their defense

970
00:34:59,934 --> 00:35:00,434
contractor.

971
00:35:00,894 --> 00:35:02,894
And you turn to your secretary of treasury

972
00:35:02,894 --> 00:35:05,135
and say, okay. You know, how am I

973
00:35:05,135 --> 00:35:07,214
gonna get the money? And secretary of treasury

974
00:35:07,214 --> 00:35:09,079
is gonna say, well, you better be nice

975
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,079
to the people who control 500,000,000,000 to a

976
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,000
$1,000,000,000,000 a year or 30 money and the

977
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,780
accumulated capital they're on.

978
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,640
So if the American people won't push the

979
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,800
red button, how is the president supposed to

980
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,860
push the red button?

981
00:35:21,324 --> 00:35:23,005
Right. Well, so let me let me bring

982
00:35:23,005 --> 00:35:24,204
this back to the focal point of the

983
00:35:24,204 --> 00:35:25,804
conversation today. But I think this is important

984
00:35:25,804 --> 00:35:27,965
because, ultimately, what you're highlighting there is that

985
00:35:27,965 --> 00:35:29,405
the system is broken. Right? I mean

986
00:35:30,445 --> 00:35:32,445
Go ahead, Christy. Be before you do, though,

987
00:35:32,445 --> 00:35:33,804
I just wanted to make a point,

988
00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:36,269
in regard to what Jason was saying about

989
00:35:36,269 --> 00:35:37,250
the intel community.

990
00:35:37,630 --> 00:35:39,970
There's going to be a shift to

991
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:43,710
make it more private than public. It started

992
00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:46,510
under Trump's first term. And so you're going

993
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:48,210
to see even less accountability

994
00:35:48,984 --> 00:35:49,885
among the intelligence

995
00:35:50,184 --> 00:35:52,664
community going forward because there's gonna be a

996
00:35:52,664 --> 00:35:53,164
private

997
00:35:53,545 --> 00:35:55,164
forward facing entity

998
00:35:55,625 --> 00:35:56,284
that has

999
00:35:56,585 --> 00:35:57,085
public

1000
00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:01,304
funded money that's going to make it even

1001
00:36:01,304 --> 00:36:04,445
more nebulous than it currently is. Black budgets

1002
00:36:04,585 --> 00:36:07,039
be damned and everything else along with it.

1003
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,380
And that's something that the whole 2 year,

1004
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,179
security clearance thing,

1005
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,340
it's going to populate

1006
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,300
a

1007
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,059
massive explosion in private intelligence firms

1008
00:36:19,565 --> 00:36:21,885
because everybody's going to have a new hire

1009
00:36:21,885 --> 00:36:23,485
every year or 2 to make sure that

1010
00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:24,545
they've got the latest,

1011
00:36:24,845 --> 00:36:27,565
you know, overlapping security clearance along with some

1012
00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:29,664
people on the board that had theirs grandfathered

1013
00:36:29,885 --> 00:36:31,025
in in perpetuity.

1014
00:36:31,644 --> 00:36:33,585
And that's what's going to be the

1015
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,739
new entity,

1016
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,320
of intel the intelligence community going forward from

1017
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,239
what I can tell, at least. Yeah. And

1018
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,679
real quick, we can keep talking about this.

1019
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:43,960
I just wanted to probably just kind of

1020
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,480
fold it back into what we're saying is

1021
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,239
what's interesting. The the way that we started

1022
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,255
this point was about saying that we hope

1023
00:36:49,255 --> 00:36:51,175
that they will ultimately do this. Catherine comes

1024
00:36:51,175 --> 00:36:52,695
in to say what that wouldn't even be

1025
00:36:52,695 --> 00:36:54,215
good. And I so it's an interesting kind

1026
00:36:54,215 --> 00:36:55,735
of circle back to this. But what's what

1027
00:36:55,735 --> 00:36:57,275
I think the important point is,

1028
00:36:57,655 --> 00:36:59,735
hypothetically saying that they're gonna do whatever we

1029
00:36:59,735 --> 00:37:01,974
each individually decide is the best path. Right

1030
00:37:01,974 --> 00:37:03,659
now, all we can do is go, they

1031
00:37:03,659 --> 00:37:05,579
said those nice words. Right? So that's kinda

1032
00:37:05,579 --> 00:37:07,179
the point. We don't have any idea what

1033
00:37:07,179 --> 00:37:09,579
actually comes to pass after January 20th, whether

1034
00:37:09,579 --> 00:37:11,579
they change their mind, whether something else happens,

1035
00:37:11,579 --> 00:37:13,260
whether the democrats won't let them, whatever the

1036
00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:15,519
narratives are. But I I would say this.

1037
00:37:17,534 --> 00:37:18,835
We wanna make sure

1038
00:37:19,135 --> 00:37:20,755
that congress controls

1039
00:37:21,695 --> 00:37:22,195
governmental

1040
00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:23,074
operations,

1041
00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:26,275
not the central bankers and intelligence agencies.

1042
00:37:27,295 --> 00:37:29,214
In a state of society, yes. If we're

1043
00:37:29,214 --> 00:37:30,594
gonna have elected representatives.

1044
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:34,559
Right. So so I I don't want a

1045
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,599
financial coup where the bankers control both monetary

1046
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,320
and fiscal policy because that's Checkmate, and we're

1047
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,019
gonna be in a slavery system.

1048
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:43,219
So,

1049
00:37:43,985 --> 00:37:46,385
you know, I want I want fiscal policy

1050
00:37:46,385 --> 00:37:48,545
still controlled by congress. It makes a huge

1051
00:37:48,545 --> 00:37:49,045
difference.

1052
00:37:50,304 --> 00:37:51,824
Well, I think the point was that Jason's

1053
00:37:51,824 --> 00:37:54,005
highlighting that that's what they're at least proposing

1054
00:37:54,065 --> 00:37:55,445
they're going to be doing is

1055
00:37:55,985 --> 00:37:59,190
reducing government spending, government increasing government efficiency by

1056
00:37:59,190 --> 00:38:01,190
getting rid of useless programs. I just don't

1057
00:38:01,190 --> 00:38:02,869
think that's what's gonna happen. I think let

1058
00:38:02,869 --> 00:38:04,469
me ask you this, Catherine. If they did

1059
00:38:04,469 --> 00:38:06,150
do what they're promising, is that what you

1060
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:07,510
were saying? You don't think that those would

1061
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:09,030
amount to what they're claiming or that they

1062
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:11,114
are saying that they're So doing something different?

1063
00:38:11,275 --> 00:38:13,934
What is the number one expense in government?

1064
00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:17,054
Let let's let's look at the big expenses.

1065
00:38:18,235 --> 00:38:20,715
The number one expense is we're poisoning the

1066
00:38:20,715 --> 00:38:21,695
American people.

1067
00:38:22,474 --> 00:38:24,815
So health care costs are exploding

1068
00:38:25,389 --> 00:38:28,849
because we are intentionally employ poisoning American people.

1069
00:38:29,230 --> 00:38:30,289
That's number 1.

1070
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:32,130
Okay? Number 2,

1071
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:35,809
we are spending a fortune to run

1072
00:38:36,269 --> 00:38:37,570
a global empire,

1073
00:38:38,474 --> 00:38:41,375
and that global empire is not is increasingly

1074
00:38:41,515 --> 00:38:42,015
uneconomic.

1075
00:38:42,795 --> 00:38:45,375
The third thing is we have interest on,

1076
00:38:46,315 --> 00:38:49,055
debt, not because we need to issue debt,

1077
00:38:49,195 --> 00:38:50,715
but because we choose to have a debt

1078
00:38:50,715 --> 00:38:53,355
based currency as opposed to treasury just issuing

1079
00:38:53,355 --> 00:38:53,969
the currency.

1080
00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:55,190
Okay?

1081
00:38:55,489 --> 00:38:58,130
So if you if you if you wanna

1082
00:38:58,130 --> 00:39:00,289
save money and, you know, we're spending a

1083
00:39:00,289 --> 00:39:02,710
fortune to support international organizations

1084
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:05,409
like the WHO and the Paris agreement, and

1085
00:39:05,409 --> 00:39:07,010
we ought to just walk away from all

1086
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:07,485
of them.

1087
00:39:08,125 --> 00:39:09,105
So so

1088
00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:12,224
and and finally, the biggest cost

1089
00:39:12,605 --> 00:39:13,105
is,

1090
00:39:14,285 --> 00:39:16,605
is if you look at how federal money

1091
00:39:16,605 --> 00:39:19,425
works in every one of the 3,100 counties,

1092
00:39:19,885 --> 00:39:22,204
that money is being spent and invested to

1093
00:39:22,204 --> 00:39:22,704
control

1094
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:25,369
not to produce a healthy

1095
00:39:25,909 --> 00:39:26,409
civilization

1096
00:39:26,869 --> 00:39:28,409
and and a healthy economy.

1097
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:30,569
So radical reengineering

1098
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:33,589
bottom up of how federal money and credit

1099
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:34,329
is used

1100
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:37,695
could produce incredible wealth, incredible wealth.

1101
00:39:38,175 --> 00:39:40,914
But, you know, it it it wouldn't be

1102
00:39:41,535 --> 00:39:43,535
you have to you're gonna need to have

1103
00:39:43,535 --> 00:39:45,394
freedom to do that. You can't

1104
00:39:45,775 --> 00:39:47,695
you know, tyranny right now, if you look

1105
00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,875
at how much money we're spending on implementing

1106
00:39:49,934 --> 00:39:50,994
the control grid,

1107
00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:53,910
just if you dive deep into the federal

1108
00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:57,090
budget, words cannot express how expensive the control

1109
00:39:57,090 --> 00:39:57,829
grid is.

1110
00:39:58,289 --> 00:40:01,190
And from an economic standpoint, it's a complete

1111
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:02,309
waste of money

1112
00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:04,690
unless, of course, you're the, you know, the

1113
00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:05,989
1,000 top people

1114
00:40:06,614 --> 00:40:08,375
and and you wanna, you know, you want

1115
00:40:08,375 --> 00:40:09,114
more billionaires

1116
00:40:09,414 --> 00:40:12,215
and you wanna consolidate control, but you you

1117
00:40:12,215 --> 00:40:14,954
are building billionaires by shrinking the pie.

1118
00:40:16,215 --> 00:40:18,375
Right. Well, so, I mean, bringing this back

1119
00:40:18,375 --> 00:40:20,639
into the conversation of Bitcoin in general, so

1120
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:21,760
I think this is an interesting kind of

1121
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,359
tie in right there is the idea that

1122
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,519
so the the original concept is the peer

1123
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,940
to peer no no trusted third party middleman.

1124
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,519
It seems as if the US government is

1125
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,599
sort of inserting itself as that middleman. Is

1126
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,039
that what I do I read that correctly,

1127
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:33,539
Catherine?

1128
00:40:34,844 --> 00:40:35,344
So

1129
00:40:36,284 --> 00:40:37,885
I don't I I wouldn't say it's the

1130
00:40:37,885 --> 00:40:40,304
federal government because it seems to be

1131
00:40:42,204 --> 00:40:44,144
a mixture of public and private.

1132
00:40:44,765 --> 00:40:48,765
Mhmm. But but essentially what you're doing is

1133
00:40:48,765 --> 00:40:49,265
you

1134
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:52,180
you you're taking something that could have been

1135
00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:53,880
a great global payment system,

1136
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:56,260
you know, on a private basis, and you're

1137
00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:58,280
turning it into a pump and dump mechanism

1138
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:01,635
that's allowing you basically to pull off

1139
00:41:02,434 --> 00:41:04,835
multiple pumps and dumps that that help you

1140
00:41:04,835 --> 00:41:05,494
with control

1141
00:41:06,034 --> 00:41:07,715
also make you money. And if you can

1142
00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:10,114
if you can engineer a tax free secret

1143
00:41:10,114 --> 00:41:10,614
exit

1144
00:41:11,315 --> 00:41:12,695
into government money,

1145
00:41:13,155 --> 00:41:15,030
you know, you can get out at a

1146
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:17,349
at a high and use that money to

1147
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:18,409
buy real assets.

1148
00:41:18,789 --> 00:41:20,329
So from a financial standpoint

1149
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:23,050
to the people doing it, it's quite attractive.

1150
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:24,789
Now it's gonna

1151
00:41:28,505 --> 00:41:30,505
you know, you're basically gonna go gonna wipe

1152
00:41:30,505 --> 00:41:32,045
out a lot of names in the retirement

1153
00:41:32,105 --> 00:41:32,605
funds.

1154
00:41:33,065 --> 00:41:33,565
Mhmm.

1155
00:41:34,344 --> 00:41:35,785
You're cutting a little you're cutting a little

1156
00:41:35,785 --> 00:41:37,704
bit out. Property of of the US retire

1157
00:41:38,425 --> 00:41:39,945
It sounds like you're making an important point

1158
00:41:39,945 --> 00:41:40,905
as to let you know you cut out

1159
00:41:40,905 --> 00:41:42,570
right there about the yeah. I know you're

1160
00:41:42,570 --> 00:41:43,769
coming back in right now. Because I know

1161
00:41:43,769 --> 00:41:46,010
you've mentioned before about the retirement funds. So

1162
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:46,750
go back to that.

1163
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:50,170
It's it's basically a way of emptying out

1164
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:51,550
the retirement funds

1165
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:54,410
and giving that money to the people doing

1166
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:56,135
this so they can basically

1167
00:41:56,515 --> 00:41:58,515
buy up all the government land and and

1168
00:41:58,515 --> 00:41:59,494
mineral resources.

1169
00:42:00,355 --> 00:42:01,954
That's why I call it a you know,

1170
00:42:01,954 --> 00:42:05,315
it's it's basically an an unreal asset swap

1171
00:42:05,315 --> 00:42:07,155
for real assets, but it's how they get

1172
00:42:07,155 --> 00:42:08,775
their hands on the real assets.

1173
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,000
So you see this is only about that

1174
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,099
or is it 2 parts? Because obviously, that's

1175
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,400
a very manipulative way to use this now,

1176
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,000
but is it also partly because of the

1177
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,760
way that they can opt in and control

1178
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,500
the coin forward?

1179
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,460
Let's look at not just Bitcoin, but crypto

1180
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,204
and and the digital system. So

1181
00:42:25,585 --> 00:42:27,505
I think what they wanna do is they

1182
00:42:27,505 --> 00:42:28,805
wanna build a

1183
00:42:33,905 --> 00:42:36,644
control group, all digital monetary system.

1184
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:37,940
So,

1185
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,880
and, you know, it can be public or

1186
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,380
private.

1187
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:42,579
A CBDC

1188
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,300
done by a central bank in the United

1189
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:48,000
States the central bank is still a creature

1190
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,940
of congress, and it still has

1191
00:42:50,505 --> 00:42:51,324
legal responsibilities

1192
00:42:51,704 --> 00:42:53,164
to Congress and transparency

1193
00:42:54,105 --> 00:42:55,565
responsibilities and disclosure

1194
00:42:56,344 --> 00:42:56,844
responsibilities

1195
00:42:57,304 --> 00:42:57,964
to Congress.

1196
00:42:58,585 --> 00:43:00,684
If you can do the crypto private,

1197
00:43:01,224 --> 00:43:03,944
then it's you've got a digital control grid

1198
00:43:03,944 --> 00:43:06,500
that's really dark and much more secret,

1199
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,960
you know, much more private and and much

1200
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,780
more dangerous.

1201
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:10,739
So,

1202
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,239
you know, but I I what I see

1203
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,579
is the people pushing for an all digital

1204
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,714
monetary system. You know, they're they look pretty

1205
00:43:20,714 --> 00:43:22,635
organic to me trying to figure out which

1206
00:43:22,635 --> 00:43:24,654
way they can do this, how they go.

1207
00:43:25,275 --> 00:43:26,094
Mhmm. So,

1208
00:43:26,554 --> 00:43:28,795
you know, so Trump is saying, you know,

1209
00:43:28,795 --> 00:43:30,174
he's he's not,

1210
00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:33,934
he's against the Central Bank CBDC, but,

1211
00:43:34,329 --> 00:43:36,750
you know, I've yet to see him clearly

1212
00:43:37,210 --> 00:43:40,030
embrace a policy of being against private CBDC.

1213
00:43:40,809 --> 00:43:42,329
Right. I've got the one on the screen

1214
00:43:42,329 --> 00:43:44,809
about his his, you know, personal World Liberty

1215
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:45,309
Financial.

1216
00:43:45,849 --> 00:43:47,289
You know, so it it are these would

1217
00:43:47,289 --> 00:43:48,670
you argue these are the same?

1218
00:43:49,734 --> 00:43:51,974
Could that itself become the private coin we're

1219
00:43:51,974 --> 00:43:54,215
talking about or something like a JPMorgan coin

1220
00:43:54,215 --> 00:43:55,275
or something like that?

1221
00:43:55,894 --> 00:43:58,215
No. I I I think you're gonna need,

1222
00:43:58,215 --> 00:44:00,135
you know, you're gonna need a Bitcoin. You're

1223
00:44:00,135 --> 00:44:01,994
gonna need a Ripple, Ethereum.

1224
00:44:03,019 --> 00:44:05,359
You know, I I think Ripple and XRP

1225
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:06,800
is the most likely.

1226
00:44:07,739 --> 00:44:09,420
But but it and it doesn't have to

1227
00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:10,719
be 1. It can be multiple.

1228
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:15,019
Right. So Yeah. Because Swift is gonna process

1229
00:44:15,019 --> 00:44:16,880
it all as one one,

1230
00:44:17,555 --> 00:44:20,994
Bank of International Settlements token. That's what the

1231
00:44:20,994 --> 00:44:23,555
SWIFT people said at the beginning of or

1232
00:44:23,555 --> 00:44:24,914
I think it was the end of last

1233
00:44:24,914 --> 00:44:27,494
year. They said they have the infrastructure ready

1234
00:44:28,035 --> 00:44:28,855
by 2025

1235
00:44:29,235 --> 00:44:31,394
at the latest, but they were projecting this

1236
00:44:31,394 --> 00:44:32,909
year to have the the

1237
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:34,670
grid basically built.

1238
00:44:35,289 --> 00:44:35,789
Right.

1239
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:38,809
Jason, you had mentioned XRP before we got

1240
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:40,170
started in that same vein. You wanna touch

1241
00:44:40,170 --> 00:44:41,849
on that? Yeah. And one of the reasons

1242
00:44:41,849 --> 00:44:43,849
that I mentioned XRP is because it's been

1243
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:46,724
openly floated by the World Economic Forum. It

1244
00:44:46,724 --> 00:44:48,265
is really what you could call

1245
00:44:48,565 --> 00:44:50,325
a meme coin, if you will. In other

1246
00:44:50,325 --> 00:44:53,204
words, there's no proof of work concept, and

1247
00:44:53,204 --> 00:44:54,265
there's no finite

1248
00:44:54,724 --> 00:44:55,224
supply.

1249
00:44:55,925 --> 00:44:57,065
This would be essential

1250
00:44:57,684 --> 00:45:00,724
in creating a fiat system of command and

1251
00:45:00,724 --> 00:45:01,224
control.

1252
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,420
And look, it's up.

1253
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,059
Were you seen in the past

1254
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,680
when Bitcoin has exploded, a lot of the

1255
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,180
altcoins

1256
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,719
have also gone. You know, you could, you

1257
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,800
know, say that Ethereum kind of rode that

1258
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,594
wave. Not this time around. Right? And we're

1259
00:45:16,594 --> 00:45:18,994
obviously hitting record highs close to a 100

1260
00:45:18,994 --> 00:45:20,694
k. Most of the altcoins

1261
00:45:20,994 --> 00:45:23,734
are not doing well. XRP is doing alright.

1262
00:45:24,275 --> 00:45:25,655
Whether or not that translates,

1263
00:45:26,434 --> 00:45:27,734
into it being adopted,

1264
00:45:28,539 --> 00:45:30,380
I don't know. There are a lot of

1265
00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:32,380
pump and dumps out there. And and that

1266
00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:32,880
superseded,

1267
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:35,039
government regulation.

1268
00:45:35,659 --> 00:45:37,440
Right? You have what are called whales

1269
00:45:37,739 --> 00:45:40,079
that will collude behind the scenes together.

1270
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:42,380
I'm not gonna say there hasn't been corruption

1271
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:44,775
in the crypto market. There has been plenty.

1272
00:45:45,235 --> 00:45:47,155
I also think that there has also been

1273
00:45:47,155 --> 00:45:49,394
over government regulation of a lot of these

1274
00:45:49,394 --> 00:45:51,094
things. And just like

1275
00:45:51,635 --> 00:45:52,614
any system

1276
00:45:53,155 --> 00:45:53,655
of

1277
00:45:54,114 --> 00:45:56,454
currency command control and eventually

1278
00:45:57,315 --> 00:45:57,815
resources,

1279
00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:01,250
you have winners and losers that are picked.

1280
00:46:01,390 --> 00:46:03,309
And if you don't outright pick them, you

1281
00:46:03,309 --> 00:46:05,309
end up buying them out. Right? Or you

1282
00:46:05,309 --> 00:46:07,550
end up going against them politically or through

1283
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:09,789
the government. That's what's really scary about this

1284
00:46:09,789 --> 00:46:11,724
whole thing. You know, again, I've been talking

1285
00:46:11,724 --> 00:46:13,585
about Bitcoin for a long time.

1286
00:46:13,885 --> 00:46:16,224
I don't believe in the legend of Satoshi.

1287
00:46:16,764 --> 00:46:17,724
Right? I know that,

1288
00:46:18,605 --> 00:46:21,405
HBO just did that documentary where they claim

1289
00:46:21,405 --> 00:46:23,585
they found the founder of Bitcoin.

1290
00:46:24,219 --> 00:46:26,059
I've always kind of alluded to the fact

1291
00:46:26,059 --> 00:46:27,920
that I feel like this was a Pentagon

1292
00:46:28,059 --> 00:46:29,360
slash DARPA project,

1293
00:46:30,059 --> 00:46:32,460
that they wanted people to adopt. I don't

1294
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:34,780
I don't know whether that's the case, but

1295
00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:35,599
I certainly

1296
00:46:36,234 --> 00:46:38,974
give that more credence than some super spooky

1297
00:46:39,034 --> 00:46:40,974
guy that just somehow has evaded

1298
00:46:41,275 --> 00:46:44,155
all of this and created this phenomenon of

1299
00:46:44,155 --> 00:46:46,894
new technology that's now been adopted globally.

1300
00:46:47,355 --> 00:46:47,855
Right?

1301
00:46:48,554 --> 00:46:50,875
And especially because we all we've all been

1302
00:46:50,875 --> 00:46:53,269
talking. When I say we, anybody that's been

1303
00:46:53,269 --> 00:46:54,570
in this kind of quote unquote

1304
00:46:54,869 --> 00:46:55,929
global governance,

1305
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:57,610
new world order space

1306
00:46:58,389 --> 00:46:59,449
of a global

1307
00:46:59,829 --> 00:47:01,530
digital currency that eventually

1308
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:04,010
is embedded in you some way.

1309
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:04,809
And

1310
00:47:05,214 --> 00:47:06,574
a lot of that has already come to

1311
00:47:06,574 --> 00:47:08,974
fruition on a very small scale level. We

1312
00:47:08,974 --> 00:47:10,914
just haven't seen it implemented globally.

1313
00:47:11,534 --> 00:47:13,795
And, really, the the scary thing is

1314
00:47:14,734 --> 00:47:16,114
the ability to micromanage,

1315
00:47:16,894 --> 00:47:17,714
right, everything

1316
00:47:18,094 --> 00:47:18,994
through crypto,

1317
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,019
through things like smart contracts, etcetera.

1318
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,819
And then in real time through AI,

1319
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,559
manage that information and do whatever they like

1320
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,199
with it. Because as they tell us that

1321
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,005
we're running out of energy, and we have

1322
00:47:33,005 --> 00:47:34,765
to watch our carbon footprint, you know, we

1323
00:47:34,765 --> 00:47:35,744
were discussing this,

1324
00:47:36,605 --> 00:47:39,344
before. The AI centers for

1325
00:47:39,805 --> 00:47:42,204
Amazon and Google are openly gonna be powered

1326
00:47:42,204 --> 00:47:43,425
by nuclear reactors.

1327
00:47:43,805 --> 00:47:45,965
We don't get to use that technology. Right?

1328
00:47:45,965 --> 00:47:46,945
But all of a sudden,

1329
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:48,079
these multinational

1330
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:50,640
corporations that are also subsidiaries

1331
00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:52,559
and government contractors

1332
00:47:53,019 --> 00:47:55,099
are gonna be able to utilize that technology.

1333
00:47:55,099 --> 00:47:56,239
It's food for thought.

1334
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:58,220
Well, you bring up an interesting point that

1335
00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:59,420
brings me to what I was gonna talk

1336
00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:00,960
about next is this conversation.

1337
00:48:01,304 --> 00:48:03,385
Now this is actually one reason why I

1338
00:48:03,385 --> 00:48:05,864
think that the Bitcoin avenue seems the most

1339
00:48:05,864 --> 00:48:07,704
likely, even though I can clearly see the

1340
00:48:07,704 --> 00:48:09,545
same points you're making about and even as

1341
00:48:09,545 --> 00:48:10,824
Catherine points out that it could be more

1342
00:48:10,824 --> 00:48:12,824
than 1. But this is interesting on the

1343
00:48:12,824 --> 00:48:15,179
note that that there is a obviously, I

1344
00:48:15,179 --> 00:48:18,380
think Bitcoin allows that kind of, outsider perspective

1345
00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:19,980
where you feel like you're fighting the system

1346
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,820
while being part of the system. Right? But

1347
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:23,339
on top of it, that this is something

1348
00:48:23,339 --> 00:48:25,280
I've been researching for since

1349
00:48:25,659 --> 00:48:27,179
for a couple weeks now when as this

1350
00:48:27,179 --> 00:48:28,835
been focused in my my mind. And it's

1351
00:48:28,835 --> 00:48:30,755
about this idea, as I've referenced before, that

1352
00:48:30,755 --> 00:48:31,974
in the white paper itself,

1353
00:48:32,514 --> 00:48:35,315
it references something that says, quite often, and

1354
00:48:35,315 --> 00:48:37,734
it it simply repeats, as long as honest

1355
00:48:37,795 --> 00:48:40,034
nodes control the network. And that's what this

1356
00:48:40,034 --> 00:48:41,714
is talking about. The study you can see

1357
00:48:41,714 --> 00:48:42,214
here

1358
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,340
is discussing the idea of blockchain 51% attacks.

1359
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,400
Meaning that, essentially, it says the system this

1360
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,160
is quoted from the white paper. The system

1361
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,559
is secure as long as honest nodes collectively

1362
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,920
control more CPU power than any cooperating group

1363
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,894
of attacker nodes. And it gets into the

1364
00:48:56,894 --> 00:48:58,255
idea of what this means, and it just

1365
00:48:58,255 --> 00:49:00,094
says a 51% attack is when a malicious

1366
00:49:00,094 --> 00:49:02,494
actor controls a sufficient percentage of the network's

1367
00:49:02,494 --> 00:49:04,735
computing power. So you're you're talking about the

1368
00:49:04,735 --> 00:49:08,094
ability of powerful entities to have access to

1369
00:49:08,094 --> 00:49:10,450
power that we wouldn't And being able to

1370
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:12,289
utilize that to essentially be able to not

1371
00:49:12,289 --> 00:49:15,090
just control whatever that would mean, but manipulate

1372
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:16,930
it, to double spend and for things out

1373
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:18,849
there that, you know to manipulate it so

1374
00:49:18,849 --> 00:49:20,849
it's not honest, it's not accurate. And so

1375
00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:22,710
I find that a really concerning dynamic,

1376
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:24,230
specifically because

1377
00:49:24,704 --> 00:49:27,364
a lot of the community, both financially gaining,

1378
00:49:27,425 --> 00:49:29,344
but also that they wanna believe Bitcoin is

1379
00:49:29,344 --> 00:49:30,704
what it could have been, at least if

1380
00:49:30,704 --> 00:49:31,985
we're if this is what it is right

1381
00:49:31,985 --> 00:49:33,825
now. And that, you know, I think we

1382
00:49:33,825 --> 00:49:35,825
all, people in this field, see XRP as

1383
00:49:35,985 --> 00:49:37,585
we've it's been called the Fed coin for

1384
00:49:37,585 --> 00:49:39,425
how long. Right? So it's already kind of

1385
00:49:39,425 --> 00:49:41,309
tainted. This adds up for me in a

1386
00:49:41,309 --> 00:49:42,750
very alarming way. Did they already have the

1387
00:49:42,750 --> 00:49:45,390
power collection? They're already amassing support. Like, I

1388
00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:47,170
think BlackRock has almost 500,000

1389
00:49:47,789 --> 00:49:50,269
as what? 21,000,000 total full floating. The government

1390
00:49:50,269 --> 00:49:52,030
itself has, what is it, a million, most

1391
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:53,869
of which pulled from, like, Silk Road, whatever

1392
00:49:53,869 --> 00:49:55,844
else. So that seems to be amassing all

1393
00:49:55,844 --> 00:49:57,285
of those things. So I want you guys

1394
00:49:57,285 --> 00:49:58,985
thoughts on that if that kind of indicates

1395
00:49:59,045 --> 00:50:00,965
what we're talking about. What you're saying is

1396
00:50:00,965 --> 00:50:03,385
that a select number of players have

1397
00:50:03,844 --> 00:50:04,344
significantly

1398
00:50:04,644 --> 00:50:05,864
lower cost of goods,

1399
00:50:06,244 --> 00:50:08,344
significantly lower cost of capital,

1400
00:50:08,909 --> 00:50:10,849
and the ability to create fiat

1401
00:50:11,389 --> 00:50:12,849
bitcoin or fiat crypto,

1402
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:17,010
you know, and and and in huge amounts.

1403
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:19,630
At which point it's game over and we're

1404
00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:20,769
back to the same

1405
00:50:21,594 --> 00:50:23,355
place we started, which is we don't have

1406
00:50:23,355 --> 00:50:25,695
a financial problem. We have a governance problem.

1407
00:50:26,074 --> 00:50:28,635
Right. And that governance problem is just just,

1408
00:50:28,635 --> 00:50:31,614
you know, repeating itself in the crypto space.

1409
00:50:32,074 --> 00:50:33,755
And it's like you said earlier, Catherine. It's

1410
00:50:33,755 --> 00:50:35,410
the, you know, feigning decentralization,

1411
00:50:35,869 --> 00:50:37,390
but it's this kind of cycle you kept

1412
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:39,070
discussing where they're using that. They get us

1413
00:50:39,070 --> 00:50:40,430
to invest at a time when it works

1414
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:42,510
for them to kind of problem reaction solution

1415
00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:44,190
us right back into a new fiat system,

1416
00:50:44,190 --> 00:50:45,890
which is what that seems like to me.

1417
00:50:46,269 --> 00:50:48,349
Right. And we haven't mentioned, but we should,

1418
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:49,410
the fact that stablecoins

1419
00:50:50,565 --> 00:50:53,464
now are being used to extend the treasury

1420
00:50:53,525 --> 00:50:54,025
market.

1421
00:50:54,405 --> 00:50:57,125
Mhmm. And and it's very clever, you know,

1422
00:50:57,125 --> 00:50:59,284
and it's working very very well for both

1423
00:50:59,284 --> 00:51:01,385
treasuries and the stable coin guys.

1424
00:51:02,739 --> 00:51:04,340
Yeah. I pulled up an article from Whitney

1425
00:51:04,340 --> 00:51:05,160
here earlier.

1426
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:07,860
Trump embraces the Bitcoin dollar stable coins to

1427
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:10,500
an comma, stable coins to entrench US financial

1428
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:11,000
hegemony.

1429
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:12,660
Again, it's kind of where we see this

1430
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:13,160
all

1431
00:51:14,019 --> 00:51:16,106
going in that direction. You know? So if

1432
00:51:16,106 --> 00:51:18,407
you guys have any more comments on that

1433
00:51:18,407 --> 00:51:20,708
one part of it, I'd like to talk

1434
00:51:20,708 --> 00:51:23,010
about the artificial intelligence overlap to that. Because

1435
00:51:23,298 --> 00:51:25,599
Can I mention one other thing? Mhmm. Because

1436
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,189
I you know, because I've seen this happen

1437
00:51:28,189 --> 00:51:30,380
on many financial cycles. But I think the

1438
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:32,860
the Bitcoin and the crypto financial cycle has

1439
00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:33,920
been the most painful.

1440
00:51:34,460 --> 00:51:37,420
Because what you see is is you have

1441
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:38,719
a small group of people

1442
00:51:39,340 --> 00:51:41,820
who wanna prototype how to build a digital

1443
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:42,640
control grid.

1444
00:51:43,275 --> 00:51:45,034
And they figure out a way to get

1445
00:51:45,034 --> 00:51:46,734
the smartest, most talented,

1446
00:51:47,755 --> 00:51:50,315
most desirous of freedom freedom fighters in the

1447
00:51:50,315 --> 00:51:52,875
world to to do their prototyping and figuring

1448
00:51:52,875 --> 00:51:54,255
out for them. Right.

1449
00:51:55,769 --> 00:51:57,469
And and it's watching

1450
00:51:58,650 --> 00:51:59,550
it's watching

1451
00:52:00,090 --> 00:52:00,590
that

1452
00:52:01,210 --> 00:52:02,430
talent wasted

1453
00:52:03,130 --> 00:52:05,309
that's so I find so painful.

1454
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:08,250
Yeah. Can I just speak to just one

1455
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,594
other aspect we really haven't hit on that

1456
00:52:10,594 --> 00:52:11,734
was a big sell

1457
00:52:12,194 --> 00:52:13,174
for Bitcoin

1458
00:52:13,875 --> 00:52:16,375
was the idea that it was your Bitcoin

1459
00:52:16,514 --> 00:52:18,434
and nobody could take it from you unless

1460
00:52:18,434 --> 00:52:20,214
they had your keys? Right?

1461
00:52:20,674 --> 00:52:22,454
That's not a real thing either.

1462
00:52:22,755 --> 00:52:24,375
You know, when I talk about,

1463
00:52:24,989 --> 00:52:27,389
you know, picking winners and losers, anybody can

1464
00:52:27,389 --> 00:52:29,150
look this up, but I think it's about

1465
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:30,130
a year ago now.

1466
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:32,909
In fact, they thought that the the initial

1467
00:52:32,909 --> 00:52:35,309
reporting when the movement of this Bitcoin happened

1468
00:52:35,309 --> 00:52:37,630
was has Satoshi shown his face because it

1469
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:39,570
was such a massive amount of Bitcoin.

1470
00:52:39,894 --> 00:52:41,575
But what had really happened is you had

1471
00:52:41,575 --> 00:52:43,114
these 2 guys in Germany

1472
00:52:43,655 --> 00:52:45,974
that way back in the day were running

1473
00:52:45,974 --> 00:52:47,894
a pirate site, you know, where you could

1474
00:52:47,894 --> 00:52:50,614
just download things. And they were only, they

1475
00:52:50,614 --> 00:52:53,095
they weren't even taking Bitcoin as a payment.

1476
00:52:53,095 --> 00:52:55,119
I think they were taking multiple cryptos, but

1477
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:56,659
they were taking the money and immediately

1478
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,900
investing it in Bitcoin.

1479
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,139
And it was something like $2,000,000,000

1480
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,359
in Bitcoin these two guys had. They arrested

1481
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:07,835
them. They put them in a room, and

1482
00:53:07,835 --> 00:53:10,815
they took their Bitcoin. Mhmm. Because guess what?

1483
00:53:11,594 --> 00:53:14,154
You're going to give your Bitcoin up when

1484
00:53:14,154 --> 00:53:15,534
your hand is on the table.

1485
00:53:16,394 --> 00:53:17,855
And one finger goes,

1486
00:53:18,234 --> 00:53:20,875
and the next finger goes, and it's not

1487
00:53:20,875 --> 00:53:22,869
a real thing. Well, for the right to

1488
00:53:22,869 --> 00:53:24,889
go, for those listening. Regulated.

1489
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:27,590
Well, it's just like, hey. Alright. You're off

1490
00:53:27,590 --> 00:53:29,429
the grid. You're not on Coinbase or the

1491
00:53:29,429 --> 00:53:31,269
big trading sites. You got it on a

1492
00:53:31,269 --> 00:53:32,170
thump. Whatever.

1493
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:34,150
At the end of the day, if you

1494
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:36,764
get in trouble and whatever entity, whether it's

1495
00:53:36,764 --> 00:53:38,144
a government or a corporation

1496
00:53:38,605 --> 00:53:39,505
or a mafia

1497
00:53:40,045 --> 00:53:41,744
or a family member, whatever,

1498
00:53:42,445 --> 00:53:44,445
if your life is more valuable than the

1499
00:53:44,445 --> 00:53:46,764
Bitcoin that no one will hold ever again

1500
00:53:46,764 --> 00:53:48,304
unless you give up those keys,

1501
00:53:48,929 --> 00:53:49,429
99.9%

1502
00:53:50,130 --> 00:53:51,409
of the time, I think you're giving up

1503
00:53:51,409 --> 00:53:53,170
those keys. But in all fairness, that applies

1504
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:55,089
to just literally any situation we wanna put

1505
00:53:55,089 --> 00:53:56,949
it through to. So it's the same dynamic.

1506
00:53:57,089 --> 00:53:58,550
There are here's the difference.

1507
00:53:59,570 --> 00:54:01,409
You could sit there and threaten me all

1508
00:54:01,409 --> 00:54:03,625
day, and I I own a private jet

1509
00:54:03,625 --> 00:54:04,445
on a runway.

1510
00:54:05,144 --> 00:54:07,224
You probably can't extort that from me. It's

1511
00:54:07,224 --> 00:54:09,144
a physical thing. There's all sorts of things.

1512
00:54:09,144 --> 00:54:10,125
This is digital.

1513
00:54:10,505 --> 00:54:12,265
As soon as I give you those keys,

1514
00:54:12,265 --> 00:54:15,164
you're it's anywhere. Right? It's you're as anonymous

1515
00:54:15,224 --> 00:54:16,905
as before. You know what I mean? So

1516
00:54:16,905 --> 00:54:18,929
that's a little bit of a difference. But

1517
00:54:18,929 --> 00:54:21,730
just the government stepping in, and you talk

1518
00:54:21,730 --> 00:54:23,269
about asset forfeiture,

1519
00:54:23,889 --> 00:54:25,989
these guys weren't convicted of anything.

1520
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:28,369
They were accused of a crime. They don't

1521
00:54:28,369 --> 00:54:31,170
even get to use the Bitcoin assets they

1522
00:54:31,170 --> 00:54:32,469
have to defend themselves.

1523
00:54:32,825 --> 00:54:35,085
You know, that's a very, very scary thing.

1524
00:54:35,385 --> 00:54:36,744
I just wanted to point that out as

1525
00:54:36,744 --> 00:54:37,244
well.

1526
00:54:37,785 --> 00:54:39,385
I agree. I think it's an excellent point

1527
00:54:39,385 --> 00:54:41,565
to include. I mean, it speaks to the

1528
00:54:42,025 --> 00:54:44,265
illegitimate nature of our government in general and

1529
00:54:44,265 --> 00:54:46,265
how they would abuse it. Here's the thing.

1530
00:54:46,265 --> 00:54:47,325
The way you control

1531
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:50,910
financial transactions is by controlling the people

1532
00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:52,670
who operationalize

1533
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:55,150
or own those financial transactions.

1534
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:57,769
And the speed at which they can assert

1535
00:54:57,769 --> 00:54:59,070
control of the people

1536
00:54:59,450 --> 00:55:01,690
is astonishing, and you just gave an excellent

1537
00:55:01,690 --> 00:55:02,190
example.

1538
00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:02,809
So

1539
00:55:03,984 --> 00:55:07,105
Yep. You know, it the technology cannot save

1540
00:55:07,105 --> 00:55:07,605
us

1541
00:55:08,065 --> 00:55:10,304
from a secret governance system. It's the secret

1542
00:55:10,304 --> 00:55:12,405
governance system that has to be dealt with.

1543
00:55:12,704 --> 00:55:14,385
100%. And that's a good point to make

1544
00:55:14,385 --> 00:55:16,804
the the argument. You just point out that

1545
00:55:17,019 --> 00:55:18,619
it's the same we should be skeptical of

1546
00:55:18,619 --> 00:55:20,539
where this goes. And what whatever is presented,

1547
00:55:20,539 --> 00:55:22,140
even if it becomes the solution we all

1548
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:23,900
want, we should still be skeptical. It's the

1549
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:25,739
same point with with the Internet. The Internet

1550
00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:28,160
was presented, DARPA, is is,

1551
00:55:28,539 --> 00:55:30,565
Jason pointed out. And, clearly, we are using

1552
00:55:30,565 --> 00:55:32,005
it to push back even though clearly it

1553
00:55:32,005 --> 00:55:33,364
is used in some ways to suppress us

1554
00:55:33,364 --> 00:55:35,125
and control our lives. So it's always a

1555
00:55:35,125 --> 00:55:36,425
mixed bag. Just question everything.

1556
00:55:36,885 --> 00:55:38,965
You can't solve a political problem with a

1557
00:55:38,965 --> 00:55:40,025
financial product.

1558
00:55:40,805 --> 00:55:42,750
Right? I agree. I mean, if you have

1559
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:44,910
a if you have a government system that's

1560
00:55:44,910 --> 00:55:46,050
not working for you

1561
00:55:46,349 --> 00:55:48,269
and is above the law and is lawless

1562
00:55:48,269 --> 00:55:49,969
and behaving in criminal ways,

1563
00:55:50,429 --> 00:55:52,750
changing the financial products that they and we

1564
00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:54,530
use isn't gonna change anything.

1565
00:55:55,105 --> 00:55:56,785
I agree. I just simply meant it can

1566
00:55:56,785 --> 00:55:58,545
be a tool that can be useful. And

1567
00:55:58,545 --> 00:56:00,465
so, yeah, obviously, what we're talking about is

1568
00:56:00,465 --> 00:56:02,144
not falling back into the system. And and

1569
00:56:02,144 --> 00:56:03,585
you could even argue that's part of this

1570
00:56:03,585 --> 00:56:04,085
manipulation,

1571
00:56:04,465 --> 00:56:06,065
to taunt us and float this idea in

1572
00:56:06,065 --> 00:56:07,425
front of us where it gives us some

1573
00:56:07,425 --> 00:56:10,429
measure of pushing back, but ultimately still cements

1574
00:56:10,429 --> 00:56:12,349
us inside the new control structure, which, Catherine,

1575
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:13,969
you make this point often and I agree.

1576
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:16,670
We're stepping into another phase here where once

1577
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:18,750
we pass this barrier, they might as well

1578
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,190
just come out and be like, too late.

1579
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:21,445
Here, this is what we are. Now you

1580
00:56:21,445 --> 00:56:22,644
can't do anything about it. And I kinda

1581
00:56:22,644 --> 00:56:24,405
sense that's where this goes. And so that

1582
00:56:24,484 --> 00:56:26,324
that's that's kind of why biggest worry about

1583
00:56:26,324 --> 00:56:28,644
the Trump election dynamic. That's what my pull

1584
00:56:28,644 --> 00:56:30,885
premise was. This is a different time, and

1585
00:56:30,885 --> 00:56:32,644
I get the positives, the RFK side to

1586
00:56:32,644 --> 00:56:34,405
it. But that might very well be put

1587
00:56:34,405 --> 00:56:36,190
out in order to make us think that

1588
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:37,630
you know, just to pacify us for the

1589
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:38,829
next step and not to get into all

1590
00:56:38,829 --> 00:56:40,190
that. But I think that's part of what

1591
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:42,030
this may be, and that's another reason why

1592
00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:44,030
Bitcoin stands out to me as maybe next

1593
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:45,250
step in that regard.

1594
00:56:46,269 --> 00:56:48,269
So, Ryan, I wanted to mention I think

1595
00:56:48,269 --> 00:56:49,469
I've sent it to you, but if I

1596
00:56:49,469 --> 00:56:50,369
haven't, I will,

1597
00:56:51,094 --> 00:56:53,355
or anybody else who wants it. We're publishing

1598
00:56:53,494 --> 00:56:55,335
our sort of tour de force we've been

1599
00:56:55,335 --> 00:56:56,714
working on for 2 years

1600
00:56:57,014 --> 00:56:59,014
called what the states can do building the

1601
00:56:59,014 --> 00:57:01,994
legal and financial infrastructure for financial freedom.

1602
00:57:02,454 --> 00:57:03,755
Mhmm. And basically,

1603
00:57:04,054 --> 00:57:06,510
a very detailed blueprint of all the different

1604
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:08,750
things in the United States the states can

1605
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:09,250
do

1606
00:57:09,789 --> 00:57:13,090
to protect against central financial control and transaction

1607
00:57:13,150 --> 00:57:13,650
control.

1608
00:57:14,190 --> 00:57:16,190
And there are many, many things the states

1609
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:18,429
can do because we still do have

1610
00:57:19,344 --> 00:57:20,164
under the Constitution,

1611
00:57:20,465 --> 00:57:23,025
the states have powers that are not delegated

1612
00:57:23,025 --> 00:57:24,864
to the federal government are reserved to the

1613
00:57:24,864 --> 00:57:25,364
states.

1614
00:57:25,664 --> 00:57:28,244
And they have the resources and the constituent

1615
00:57:28,465 --> 00:57:28,965
support

1616
00:57:29,425 --> 00:57:31,744
to do things. And what we describe are

1617
00:57:31,744 --> 00:57:34,005
sort of all the different areas of where

1618
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,400
they can take action. But we also list

1619
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:36,900
what

1620
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,079
proposed and passed bills states have, you know,

1621
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:41,460
had proposed or adopted

1622
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,239
and lots of information about what's going on

1623
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:46,835
in the states. And there are enough people

1624
00:57:46,974 --> 00:57:48,974
in in enough states who are beginning to

1625
00:57:48,974 --> 00:57:51,315
realize, wait a minute, really is this bad,

1626
00:57:51,775 --> 00:57:54,014
and we're gonna have to take action. And

1627
00:57:54,014 --> 00:57:56,094
we see the states moving all across the

1628
00:57:56,094 --> 00:57:57,234
board to do that.

1629
00:57:57,775 --> 00:57:58,275
So

1630
00:57:59,054 --> 00:58:01,155
there are plenty of things we can do,

1631
00:58:01,215 --> 00:58:02,034
but if

1632
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,440
if instead of doing those things, we get

1633
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,440
the states to buy lots and lots of

1634
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:06,940
Bitcoin,

1635
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:08,380
you know,

1636
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,920
we're in real trouble. I'd love to have

1637
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,160
you on my show to talk about that

1638
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,460
in a little bit more detail.

1639
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,414
Okay. We So I have your email. Can

1640
00:58:17,414 --> 00:58:19,255
you make sure your email's in the chat,

1641
00:58:19,255 --> 00:58:20,695
and then I'll email you a copy of

1642
00:58:20,695 --> 00:58:21,434
the document?

1643
00:58:21,735 --> 00:58:24,954
For sure. Yes, please. Here's the, Cynthia Loomis

1644
00:58:25,015 --> 00:58:27,655
reserve, you know, reserve legislation she put forward

1645
00:58:27,655 --> 00:58:29,974
about Bitcoin. I think it was before this

1646
00:58:29,974 --> 00:58:32,130
Nashville discussion, but definitely is

1647
00:58:32,609 --> 00:58:34,049
coming that direction. So I'd I'd like to

1648
00:58:34,049 --> 00:58:35,889
talk about this in the context of artificial

1649
00:58:35,889 --> 00:58:37,730
intelligence sort of finished today. And I think

1650
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:39,329
that what concerns me, and we can play

1651
00:58:39,329 --> 00:58:41,190
some of these clips from the Anderson,

1652
00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:43,989
Joe Rogan discussion,

1653
00:58:44,405 --> 00:58:46,324
It's it's it's really concerning how almost I

1654
00:58:46,324 --> 00:58:47,525
mean, it's perfect to come off what we

1655
00:58:47,525 --> 00:58:49,385
just discussed. The idea of how,

1656
00:58:50,085 --> 00:58:51,925
you know, the the floating of an idea

1657
00:58:51,925 --> 00:58:53,445
that makes us feel like these are the

1658
00:58:53,445 --> 00:58:55,684
resistors. These are the outsiders. They're pushing back

1659
00:58:55,684 --> 00:58:57,880
and falling into this trap. And so let

1660
00:58:58,119 --> 00:58:59,559
anyone wanna start on that in general before

1661
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:00,440
I go into what I have to say

1662
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,280
about it, the idea of artificial intelligence that

1663
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,960
overlaps with Bitcoin and how you see that

1664
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,039
playing out? Any thoughts on that, guys? I

1665
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:07,880
mean, I see I I was gonna say

1666
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,704
that, you know, Ryan, for 3 years now,

1667
00:59:10,704 --> 00:59:12,704
I've been saying that they're going to put

1668
00:59:12,704 --> 00:59:13,204
Trump

1669
00:59:13,664 --> 00:59:14,964
in specifically because

1670
00:59:15,425 --> 00:59:18,405
it's going to the he's the necessary puppet

1671
00:59:18,545 --> 00:59:20,704
to build up the infrastructure for the digital

1672
00:59:20,704 --> 00:59:22,704
prison with Elon Musk stepping up to the

1673
00:59:22,704 --> 00:59:23,525
tune of $40,000,000

1674
00:59:23,984 --> 00:59:26,739
a month and Peter Thiel's golf club being

1675
00:59:26,739 --> 00:59:28,359
announced as the vice president.

1676
00:59:28,819 --> 00:59:29,299
And,

1677
00:59:29,699 --> 00:59:32,260
you know, the rest of the, like, true

1678
00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:32,760
technocrats,

1679
00:59:33,699 --> 00:59:36,179
the the he surrounded himself with, and then

1680
00:59:36,179 --> 00:59:37,159
the Trump kids

1681
00:59:37,664 --> 00:59:38,164
push

1682
00:59:38,785 --> 00:59:41,265
into not just the crypto sphere, but all

1683
00:59:41,265 --> 00:59:43,844
of these other, you know, online media,

1684
00:59:45,105 --> 00:59:46,565
you know, streaming platforms,

1685
00:59:46,864 --> 00:59:49,925
stuff like that. You really start to see,

1686
00:59:51,025 --> 00:59:52,965
the push for not just

1687
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:56,139
large language model based

1688
00:59:56,839 --> 00:59:59,880
information and media aggregation because all of it's

1689
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,119
gonna go through we the WeChat of the

1690
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:03,019
west anyway

1691
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:05,659
in in, you know, Elon's platform.

1692
01:00:06,605 --> 01:00:08,464
But that's also a tie into

1693
01:00:08,924 --> 01:00:09,984
all of the cryptocurrency.

1694
01:00:11,005 --> 01:00:13,324
It's where you're gonna communicate. It's where you're

1695
01:00:13,324 --> 01:00:15,005
gonna pay bills. We're gonna do all of

1696
01:00:15,005 --> 01:00:15,505
that.

1697
01:00:15,964 --> 01:00:17,505
And it seems to be

1698
01:00:18,045 --> 01:00:20,545
fairly obvious at this point that whatever

1699
01:00:21,309 --> 01:00:24,190
the department of government efficiency is going to

1700
01:00:24,190 --> 01:00:26,609
be, it's gonna be a huge push

1701
01:00:26,909 --> 01:00:27,409
for,

1702
01:00:28,829 --> 01:00:29,889
AI to replace

1703
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:30,929
the bureaucracy.

1704
01:00:31,469 --> 01:00:33,069
They've made that pretty clear. I mean, even

1705
01:00:33,069 --> 01:00:35,069
in recent interviews, they've discussed that exact point

1706
01:00:35,069 --> 01:00:37,114
that artificial intelligence is gonna be a part

1707
01:00:37,114 --> 01:00:39,355
of the efficient I mean, this was obviously

1708
01:00:39,355 --> 01:00:40,954
the open door to that. Right? To figure

1709
01:00:41,114 --> 01:00:43,034
Rogan's talking about it like it's a good

1710
01:00:43,034 --> 01:00:44,715
thing on the show now. Well, yeah, let's

1711
01:00:44,715 --> 01:00:45,914
let's go ahead and play that clip then,

1712
01:00:45,914 --> 01:00:47,355
and we'll let's let's see the first one

1713
01:00:47,355 --> 01:00:48,474
anyway. And so this is one of the

1714
01:00:48,474 --> 01:00:50,175
reasons discussions with Mark Anderson

1715
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:52,719
discussing this about, you know and really kind

1716
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:54,319
of point the finger, which we should, by

1717
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:56,159
the way, in every other administration before this

1718
01:00:56,159 --> 01:00:58,079
where that's been possible, but discussing how these

1719
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,239
things have been go they've been trying to

1720
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:01,859
use these things to control our lives.

1721
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:05,565
Well, general intelligence will be will emerge. And

1722
01:01:05,565 --> 01:01:08,364
who knows how that affects I I've said

1723
01:01:08,364 --> 01:01:10,204
publicly, and I'm kind of half joking Yeah.

1724
01:01:10,284 --> 01:01:13,405
That we need AI government. Yep. You know?

1725
01:01:13,405 --> 01:01:15,644
I it sounds crazy to say. Yep. But

1726
01:01:15,644 --> 01:01:18,125
instead of having this, like, alpha chimpanzee that

1727
01:01:18,125 --> 01:01:20,500
runs the tribe of humans Yeah. How about

1728
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:22,440
we have some, like, really logical

1729
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:25,160
fact based Yeah. You know, program

1730
01:01:25,460 --> 01:01:28,099
Yeah. That, you know, makes it, like, really

1731
01:01:28,099 --> 01:01:29,860
reasonable and equitable in a way that we

1732
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:31,940
can all agree to. Right. Let's govern things

1733
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:33,795
in that manner. Right. So you can actually

1734
01:01:33,795 --> 01:01:35,715
simulate this today because you you can go

1735
01:01:35,715 --> 01:01:37,315
on these systems, shed GPT or a lot

1736
01:01:37,315 --> 01:01:38,994
of these others. And you can you can

1737
01:01:38,994 --> 01:01:40,755
ask, you know, how should we handle issue

1738
01:01:40,755 --> 01:01:42,114
x? How should this be relevant? We've done

1739
01:01:42,114 --> 01:01:43,954
that. Right. How should the Department of Energy

1740
01:01:43,954 --> 01:01:45,715
do whatever, nuclear policy or whatever? And and

1741
01:01:45,715 --> 01:01:46,835
what I find when I do that is

1742
01:01:46,835 --> 01:01:48,239
I discover 2 things. Number 1, of course,

1743
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,760
these things are these things have the same

1744
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,519
problem social media has had, which is they're

1745
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:53,840
tremendously politically biased and Right. That's on purpose

1746
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,440
and they they need to fix that and

1747
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,559
that's gonna be a big topic in the

1748
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,079
next several years. But the other thing you

1749
01:01:58,079 --> 01:01:59,119
learn is if you can get through the

1750
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,960
political basically bias and censorship, if you can

1751
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,480
actually get to a discussion of the actual

1752
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,875
issue, it's you get very sophisticated answers. Yes.

1753
01:02:05,175 --> 01:02:06,406
Right? And very logical, very straightforward, and it

1754
01:02:06,406 --> 01:02:07,130
will explain every aspect of the issue to

1755
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:07,853
you, and it'll take you through all the

1756
01:02:07,853 --> 01:02:09,015
pros and cons. Yeah. And, you know I

1757
01:02:09,015 --> 01:02:10,135
mean, it might be the way to go

1758
01:02:10,614 --> 01:02:12,155
Yeah. Which is so horrifying

1759
01:02:12,614 --> 01:02:13,594
for people to think because

1760
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:19,670
everyone's worried about the Terminators taking over the

1761
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:21,849
world and, like, if that's the first step

1762
01:02:21,989 --> 01:02:23,750
as we let them govern us. Well, look,

1763
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:26,150
there's nothing stopping a politician from using this.

1764
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:27,909
There's nothing stopping a policymaker from using it,

1765
01:02:27,909 --> 01:02:29,069
you know, as a tool. Right. You start

1766
01:02:29,069 --> 01:02:30,389
out at at the very least, you start

1767
01:02:30,389 --> 01:02:31,635
out using it as a tool. There's nothing

1768
01:02:31,635 --> 01:02:32,994
to prevent. You know, like, for example, I

1769
01:02:32,994 --> 01:02:34,434
think military commanders in the field are going

1770
01:02:34,434 --> 01:02:36,355
to have basically AI battlefield assistance that are

1771
01:02:36,355 --> 01:02:38,594
going to advise the most strategy tactics. Yes.

1772
01:02:38,594 --> 01:02:39,954
Right. How to win conflicts and then it'll

1773
01:02:39,954 --> 01:02:41,074
start to work its way up and then

1774
01:02:41,074 --> 01:02:42,534
they'll be doing, you know, war planning.

1775
01:02:43,074 --> 01:02:44,434
And then if you're a general, if you're,

1776
01:02:44,434 --> 01:02:45,715
you know, a sergeant or a colonel or

1777
01:02:45,715 --> 01:02:47,380
a general, it's gonna just mean you perform

1778
01:02:47,380 --> 01:02:49,300
better. Yes. And so maybe there's, like, you

1779
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:51,159
know, the human them sort of man machine

1780
01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:53,059
kinda symbiotic relationship. And you and you could

1781
01:02:53,059 --> 01:02:54,420
imagine that happening more in the in the

1782
01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:56,019
policy process and in the in the political

1783
01:02:56,019 --> 01:02:56,519
processes.

1784
01:02:57,860 --> 01:02:59,380
So can I hit on a few different

1785
01:02:59,380 --> 01:03:01,125
things on that? Right? Absolutely. So

1786
01:03:01,585 --> 01:03:03,345
I watched that clip the other day. Number

1787
01:03:03,345 --> 01:03:03,845
1,

1788
01:03:04,545 --> 01:03:06,644
AI and warfare is already in.

1789
01:03:07,105 --> 01:03:09,664
Lavender is is utilized. It's it's a, you

1790
01:03:09,664 --> 01:03:10,405
know, westernized

1791
01:03:10,785 --> 01:03:12,965
5 eyes thing. Alex Karp,

1792
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,559
who's, if you want to call, Vance, his

1793
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,460
golf club is really Thiel's right hand man.

1794
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,239
He's out there openly talking about it even

1795
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:23,539
at places like CES.

1796
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:24,500
Right?

1797
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:27,519
So, we're already in that reality. I'm not

1798
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:28,739
saying it's a good reality.

1799
01:03:29,565 --> 01:03:31,484
Where I fear we're going is more of

1800
01:03:31,484 --> 01:03:32,304
the AGI

1801
01:03:33,164 --> 01:03:33,664
military

1802
01:03:34,045 --> 01:03:36,284
where you have like a persona that you're

1803
01:03:36,364 --> 01:03:37,964
maybe you're not seeing it right away, but

1804
01:03:37,964 --> 01:03:39,484
you're hearing it, and you might even think

1805
01:03:39,484 --> 01:03:41,644
it's a real person, and you're referring into

1806
01:03:41,644 --> 01:03:44,385
it as general or colonel, and it's instructing

1807
01:03:44,525 --> 01:03:46,760
you in real time on the battlefield.

1808
01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:48,920
I don't think we're that far

1809
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:50,280
off from that.

1810
01:03:51,059 --> 01:03:53,140
I think when we talk about the bias

1811
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:55,719
that's built in, that's the scariest part. Right?

1812
01:03:55,860 --> 01:03:58,019
So so let's let's get into a couple

1813
01:03:58,019 --> 01:03:59,380
things that he said that I think were

1814
01:03:59,380 --> 01:04:00,199
correct there.

1815
01:04:00,785 --> 01:04:01,285
Ultimately,

1816
01:04:01,905 --> 01:04:04,385
especially in the very beginning, things like Grok

1817
01:04:04,385 --> 01:04:05,445
and Chat GPT

1818
01:04:06,545 --> 01:04:09,345
have a have a baseline narrative or a

1819
01:04:09,345 --> 01:04:11,425
directive of the great narrative of the day

1820
01:04:11,425 --> 01:04:13,105
to try to direct you into. What do

1821
01:04:13,105 --> 01:04:14,805
I mean by that? So

1822
01:04:15,449 --> 01:04:16,510
I asked Croc

1823
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:19,769
about myself, and in the very first sentence,

1824
01:04:19,769 --> 01:04:22,589
it lied about me. Right? It said that,

1825
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:25,210
I had, you know, I was this wacky

1826
01:04:25,210 --> 01:04:27,550
guy and that I had questioned the existence

1827
01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:29,309
of certain people.

1828
01:04:29,655 --> 01:04:31,574
Like, I I had said certain people didn't

1829
01:04:31,574 --> 01:04:33,835
exist. So I challenged it on that. Right?

1830
01:04:34,135 --> 01:04:35,755
I said, wait a minute.

1831
01:04:36,215 --> 01:04:37,914
Who has Jason Bermas,

1832
01:04:38,454 --> 01:04:40,535
specified didn't exist? And so then now it

1833
01:04:40,535 --> 01:04:42,960
gives me a little tirade how I question

1834
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,340
the events of 911

1835
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:46,980
and flight 93 specifically.

1836
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,440
Now, I've never said that there weren't victims

1837
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,159
on that plane or the hijackers weren't even

1838
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:54,894
on there. I've questioned, you know, what exactly

1839
01:04:54,894 --> 01:04:57,694
happened on it. I've questioned the evidence such

1840
01:04:57,694 --> 01:04:58,894
as, I don't know if you guys have

1841
01:04:58,894 --> 01:05:00,275
ever seen it, but the red bandana

1842
01:05:00,574 --> 01:05:02,355
that they said that one of the hijackers

1843
01:05:02,414 --> 01:05:04,255
wore, that they presented in court that has

1844
01:05:04,255 --> 01:05:05,734
no blood on it, has no dirt on

1845
01:05:05,734 --> 01:05:07,214
it. You know, things like of that nature.

1846
01:05:07,214 --> 01:05:08,335
So I go, wait a minute. So you're

1847
01:05:08,335 --> 01:05:11,099
telling me he questioned an event, but never

1848
01:05:11,099 --> 01:05:13,500
whether or not somebody actually exists. Then it

1849
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:14,880
apologized to me.

1850
01:05:15,179 --> 01:05:16,619
And it said, oh, well, you got it

1851
01:05:16,619 --> 01:05:19,280
right. So, he mentioned the Department of Energy

1852
01:05:19,659 --> 01:05:21,819
in particular, and I think that's an interesting

1853
01:05:21,819 --> 01:05:24,565
thing. Because if you think about it, in

1854
01:05:24,565 --> 01:05:27,465
some regards, AI could probably be more efficient

1855
01:05:28,005 --> 01:05:30,585
if the Department of Energy wasn't also involved

1856
01:05:30,965 --> 01:05:31,785
in radiologically

1857
01:05:32,244 --> 01:05:32,985
and biologically

1858
01:05:33,525 --> 01:05:36,244
experimenting on the human populace and document it

1859
01:05:36,244 --> 01:05:36,989
to do so.

1860
01:05:37,550 --> 01:05:39,469
So it's not going to take that part

1861
01:05:39,469 --> 01:05:41,550
of the narrative into account. Here's the other

1862
01:05:41,550 --> 01:05:42,610
problem with AI.

1863
01:05:43,389 --> 01:05:44,690
We talk about transparency.

1864
01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:46,690
What baseline information

1865
01:05:47,230 --> 01:05:49,309
does the AI that you and I interact

1866
01:05:49,309 --> 01:05:51,625
with have? Right. It only has things that

1867
01:05:51,625 --> 01:05:53,164
are declassified. Right?

1868
01:05:53,545 --> 01:05:56,025
So anything that's classified or above that level,

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it's not even going to be fed in

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a large language model unless it's a privatized

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01:06:00,664 --> 01:06:02,284
one by a contractor,

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01:06:02,664 --> 01:06:04,525
a government agency, etcetera.

1873
01:06:04,900 --> 01:06:05,639
And unfortunately,

1874
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:08,420
you're not really gonna be able to compete

1875
01:06:08,420 --> 01:06:10,820
with that, especially when you're forced to put

1876
01:06:10,820 --> 01:06:12,679
basically an agent of the government

1877
01:06:13,780 --> 01:06:15,480
inside of your company.

1878
01:06:15,940 --> 01:06:16,440
Right?

1879
01:06:16,739 --> 01:06:17,239
So

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the problem with AI governance is

1881
01:06:20,875 --> 01:06:23,195
in a way, we already have it. Like

1882
01:06:23,195 --> 01:06:24,795
he was saying, you can run all these

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01:06:24,795 --> 01:06:26,494
models now. You don't think

1884
01:06:27,114 --> 01:06:29,355
that the government you talked about the Musker

1885
01:06:29,355 --> 01:06:32,555
Du. Right? Old Muskington. I mean, he is

1886
01:06:32,555 --> 01:06:33,775
the defense contractor,

1887
01:06:34,795 --> 01:06:36,760
and I've kind of pontificated

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01:06:37,059 --> 01:06:40,099
that I think that the Adrian Dittman character

1889
01:06:40,099 --> 01:06:41,880
is more than likely an AGI

1890
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:44,260
most of the time. I'm not saying a

1891
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:47,380
person couldn't be involved, voice modulator, etcetera. That

1892
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:49,000
will eventually become a product

1893
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:52,414
because that's the next thing. Right? GPT 4

1894
01:06:52,414 --> 01:06:54,815
o. I just wanna say that GPT 4

1895
01:06:54,815 --> 01:06:57,775
o is so close to human like that

1896
01:06:57,775 --> 01:07:00,175
Alex Jones now does large segments on his

1897
01:07:00,175 --> 01:07:01,394
show where he's interviewing

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01:07:02,015 --> 01:07:02,515
GPT.

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01:07:03,054 --> 01:07:04,880
Right? And that line is only gonna be

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01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,720
blurred further. Go ahead, Claire, Catherine. So let

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,300
me just

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,720
because there's there's 2 issues going on. 1

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01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,660
is the efficiency and utility

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,519
of AI as a tool. And so the

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01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:17,599
way Mark was talking about it, he's talking

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01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:18,099
about

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01:07:18,515 --> 01:07:20,914
a tool that can make us smarter, faster,

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01:07:20,914 --> 01:07:24,114
better, but under human governance. So let's go

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01:07:24,114 --> 01:07:24,934
back to Lavender.

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The power of Lavender

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01:07:28,114 --> 01:07:30,775
is that that members of the IDF

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can systematically

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01:07:32,989 --> 01:07:34,289
engage in genocide

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01:07:35,469 --> 01:07:38,429
and violations of international law with no personal

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01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:40,849
liability because they didn't pick the targets,

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the software didn't. Exactly.

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And so

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what we're looking at is is using AI

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to relieve

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01:07:49,855 --> 01:07:51,954
individual humans of responsibility.

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01:07:53,454 --> 01:07:55,534
And what that does is it makes it

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01:07:55,534 --> 01:07:57,235
possible to control centrally

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01:07:58,414 --> 01:08:00,594
and stay safe from the mob.

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01:08:01,019 --> 01:08:03,659
Because the mob can't see a human being

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01:08:03,659 --> 01:08:04,800
that's taking responsibility,

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01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:08,219
you can blame the I AI. The machine

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01:08:08,219 --> 01:08:09,280
did it. Okay?

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01:08:09,739 --> 01:08:11,980
And that's a way of, you know, the

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01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:14,480
great Oz hiding behind the machine

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01:08:15,244 --> 01:08:17,744
and and relieving them of any responsibility,

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01:08:18,765 --> 01:08:20,685
whether not just in the court of law,

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01:08:20,685 --> 01:08:22,465
but in the court of popular opinion.

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01:08:23,164 --> 01:08:24,704
There's a very interesting

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01:08:25,164 --> 01:08:27,984
video that we had on the Solari report

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01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:31,219
of a Cambridge student asking Peter Thiel about

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01:08:31,219 --> 01:08:31,719
lavender,

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01:08:32,420 --> 01:08:35,559
and he literally almost pisses in his pants.

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01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:37,719
It's a frightening thing to watch.

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01:08:38,099 --> 01:08:41,139
Clearly, you've seen it because it dawns on

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01:08:41,139 --> 01:08:42,739
him that he is going to be held

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01:08:42,739 --> 01:08:43,239
responsible

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01:08:43,835 --> 01:08:45,594
in the court of popular opinion. He's not

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01:08:45,594 --> 01:08:47,935
gonna get away with it, and he's terrified.

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01:08:48,715 --> 01:08:50,975
Well, I mean, think about what this does

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01:08:51,675 --> 01:08:52,175
psychologically

1946
01:08:52,635 --> 01:08:55,135
and spiritually to the population too,

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01:08:55,435 --> 01:08:58,650
especially anybody who is one of those drone

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01:08:58,650 --> 01:09:01,610
operators. Like, it's designed to sever your connection

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01:09:01,610 --> 01:09:02,270
with humanity.

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01:09:02,729 --> 01:09:05,229
It's designed to sever your connection with nature.

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01:09:05,530 --> 01:09:08,090
That's where we've been, you know, as a

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01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:10,909
a species been pushed into an accelerated

1953
01:09:11,530 --> 01:09:12,030
ace

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01:09:12,494 --> 01:09:15,074
over the last 5, 6, 7 years.

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01:09:15,454 --> 01:09:17,795
And this complete and total,

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01:09:18,175 --> 01:09:19,314
you know, inversion

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01:09:19,694 --> 01:09:22,255
of what is natural and this complete and

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01:09:22,255 --> 01:09:24,594
total separation and then segregation

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01:09:25,135 --> 01:09:25,635
through

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01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:29,449
winnowing information bubble of what we become as

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01:09:29,449 --> 01:09:30,909
a a global populace,

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01:09:32,409 --> 01:09:35,130
is is that's why these people are walking

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01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:37,529
around with the kind of sentiment that they've

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01:09:37,529 --> 01:09:39,885
already won, that they can go ahead and

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01:09:39,885 --> 01:09:41,984
admit what they are and who they are

1966
01:09:42,045 --> 01:09:43,824
because they've got a little snapshot

1967
01:09:44,284 --> 01:09:46,444
of what that looks like every day on

1968
01:09:46,444 --> 01:09:49,344
Twitter, every day on Instagram, or wherever else.

1969
01:09:50,125 --> 01:09:51,965
Yeah. Good point. The predictive part of this

1970
01:09:51,965 --> 01:09:53,890
is, I think, far far more terrifying we

1971
01:09:53,890 --> 01:09:55,409
realized. Let me put I've grabbed that clip

1972
01:09:55,409 --> 01:09:56,689
just since we actually talked about it right

1973
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:57,890
before we went live and I figured it's

1974
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:59,409
a it's a entertaining thing to play based

1975
01:09:59,409 --> 01:10:00,689
on this point, then I'll make some comments

1976
01:10:00,689 --> 01:10:01,890
on it. What do you think about the

1977
01:10:01,890 --> 01:10:03,109
use of artificial

1978
01:10:03,489 --> 01:10:04,949
intelligence or lavender

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01:10:05,409 --> 01:10:06,949
by the IDF in

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01:10:07,505 --> 01:10:08,005
identifying

1981
01:10:08,385 --> 01:10:11,505
Hamas targets? And secondly, do you agree with

1982
01:10:11,505 --> 01:10:14,784
Elon Musk about that the population decline is

1983
01:10:14,784 --> 01:10:16,164
a risk for humanity?

1984
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,340
Look. I yeah. I'm not I'm not,

1985
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:27,840
you know, I

1986
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,100
you know, with without

1987
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:31,060
without,

1988
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,699
going into all the deep you know,

1989
01:10:34,295 --> 01:10:36,054
I'm not on top of all the details

1990
01:10:36,054 --> 01:10:37,835
of what's going on in Israel because my

1991
01:10:37,895 --> 01:10:40,074
my bias is to defer to Israel. It's

1992
01:10:40,215 --> 01:10:42,614
it's it's not for us to to second

1993
01:10:42,614 --> 01:10:43,114
guess

1994
01:10:43,414 --> 01:10:44,554
every, everything.

1995
01:10:44,854 --> 01:10:46,795
And, I believe that

1996
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:50,099
broadly the IDF gets to decide

1997
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:52,239
what it wants to do and that they're

1998
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,559
broadly in the right. And that's that's sort

1999
01:10:54,559 --> 01:10:55,539
of the the perspective

2000
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,679
I come back to. And if I if

2001
01:10:57,679 --> 01:10:59,300
I fall into the trap of,

2002
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,654
arguing you on every detailed point, I'm I'm

2003
01:11:02,654 --> 01:11:04,675
actually gonna I would actually be conceding

2004
01:11:05,054 --> 01:11:07,534
the the the broader issue that, the Middle

2005
01:11:07,534 --> 01:11:09,854
East should be micromanaged from Cambridge. And I

2006
01:11:09,854 --> 01:11:10,594
think that's

2007
01:11:10,974 --> 01:11:12,194
just simply absurd.

2008
01:11:12,814 --> 01:11:14,255
And so I'm not I'm not gonna concede

2009
01:11:14,255 --> 01:11:14,914
that point.

2010
01:11:16,414 --> 01:11:16,914
Wow.

2011
01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:19,229
That's just wild. There you so very clearly

2012
01:11:19,229 --> 01:11:21,069
tried to sidestep the main point in that.

2013
01:11:21,069 --> 01:11:22,829
And I would say I agree with Catherine

2014
01:11:22,829 --> 01:11:24,750
in the idea that, you know, like Eric

2015
01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:26,909
Schmidt pretty, you know, famously said a I

2016
01:11:26,909 --> 01:11:28,030
think a year or so or maybe a

2017
01:11:28,030 --> 01:11:29,710
couple years ago that we'll get to a

2018
01:11:29,710 --> 01:11:31,550
point at some point, I'm paraphrasing, that AI

2019
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:33,069
will be making decisions like this. And it

2020
01:11:33,069 --> 01:11:35,204
may seem morally unsound, but we have to

2021
01:11:35,204 --> 01:11:37,045
trust the AI because it knows better, which

2022
01:11:37,045 --> 01:11:39,284
is just how terrifying. You know? And so

2023
01:11:39,284 --> 01:11:41,045
I agree that there's another mix Let me

2024
01:11:41,045 --> 01:11:43,364
tell you something. Go ahead. You know, so

2025
01:11:43,364 --> 01:11:45,284
my nickname for the top of the of

2026
01:11:45,284 --> 01:11:47,704
the global governing system is mister Global.

2027
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:51,130
Mister Global is never gonna delegate his power

2028
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:52,010
to the AI.

2029
01:11:52,789 --> 01:11:54,489
It's just not gonna happen.

2030
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:57,210
It's just not gonna happen. So

2031
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:59,430
so, you know but the AI is gonna

2032
01:11:59,430 --> 01:12:00,614
be a tool to make

2033
01:12:01,015 --> 01:12:03,414
governing much safer and much easier on a

2034
01:12:03,414 --> 01:12:05,034
highly centralized basis.

2035
01:12:05,494 --> 01:12:06,695
The only point I was gonna make is

2036
01:12:06,695 --> 01:12:07,975
that clear where I was going with that

2037
01:12:07,975 --> 01:12:09,895
is that Peter that, Eric Schmidt was saying

2038
01:12:09,895 --> 01:12:11,414
this. I I think setting it up to

2039
01:12:11,414 --> 01:12:13,655
be obvious that whatever happened will be able

2040
01:12:13,655 --> 01:12:14,935
to fall behind that. And I think, you

2041
01:12:14,935 --> 01:12:16,295
know, I do think that makes the most

2042
01:12:16,295 --> 01:12:17,789
sense. But at the same time, even if

2043
01:12:17,789 --> 01:12:20,270
it ultimately did become something that was real,

2044
01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:21,710
it could still be as I think Jason

2045
01:12:21,710 --> 01:12:23,550
said earlier, you know, if you're inputting the

2046
01:12:23,550 --> 01:12:26,029
wrong data that ultimately controls the output even

2047
01:12:26,029 --> 01:12:27,869
if it is still artificial intelligence. And we've

2048
01:12:27,869 --> 01:12:29,310
talked I think we've all talked about this.

2049
01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:31,095
And so it's a really, you know, the

2050
01:12:31,095 --> 01:12:32,774
idea that we want the good AI versus

2051
01:12:32,774 --> 01:12:34,215
the bad AI is just part of this

2052
01:12:34,215 --> 01:12:36,534
fake duopoly dynamic that we're always stuck in

2053
01:12:36,534 --> 01:12:38,614
or clearly should be asking for something other

2054
01:12:38,614 --> 01:12:40,295
than that. Now one thing that I think

2055
01:12:40,295 --> 01:12:41,574
is the most terrifying to me, and we

2056
01:12:41,574 --> 01:12:42,854
have a couple more clips on this, but

2057
01:12:42,854 --> 01:12:45,810
is how this could possibly intertwine with Bitcoin

2058
01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:48,130
itself or whatever ends up being the kind

2059
01:12:48,130 --> 01:12:48,789
of blockchain

2060
01:12:49,329 --> 01:12:50,929
dynamic. Because I I mean, Jason, maybe you

2061
01:12:50,929 --> 01:12:52,050
could speak to this since we were kinda

2062
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:55,569
briefly saying before. It's not that, technologically and,

2063
01:12:55,569 --> 01:12:56,755
again, I'm still trying to wrap my mind

2064
01:12:56,755 --> 01:12:58,755
around a lot of these technological ideas. It's

2065
01:12:58,755 --> 01:12:59,975
beyond me in a lot of ways.

2066
01:13:00,275 --> 01:13:01,875
It's not as simple as saying it is

2067
01:13:01,875 --> 01:13:03,555
art it's they're they're very different. Some would

2068
01:13:03,555 --> 01:13:04,935
argue it couldn't even become

2069
01:13:05,235 --> 01:13:07,235
artificial intelligence, but it's about how this can

2070
01:13:07,235 --> 01:13:09,074
be evolved to something much larger than a

2071
01:13:09,074 --> 01:13:09,574
cryptocurrency.

2072
01:13:10,210 --> 01:13:11,569
And I think that's the bigger concern for

2073
01:13:11,569 --> 01:13:13,250
me is that I can already see this.

2074
01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:14,849
For example, one of the things that I

2075
01:13:14,849 --> 01:13:16,929
pulled up, you know, they they they're already

2076
01:13:16,929 --> 01:13:18,529
beginning to use these things in regard to

2077
01:13:18,529 --> 01:13:20,289
mapping out, like, the car the price. Right?

2078
01:13:20,289 --> 01:13:22,289
What will happen next? But it's building more

2079
01:13:22,289 --> 01:13:25,145
than that. About using these blockchains, specifically Bitcoin

2080
01:13:25,145 --> 01:13:26,664
in some cases, to do things beyond that,

2081
01:13:26,664 --> 01:13:29,385
like artificial neural networks and so on. And

2082
01:13:29,385 --> 01:13:31,064
so, we'll start with that. If you guys

2083
01:13:31,064 --> 01:13:32,345
have any thoughts on that and how that

2084
01:13:32,345 --> 01:13:35,005
might intertwine, whether it's Bitcoin or something else.

2085
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:41,619
Alright. I thought he was serving it to

2086
01:13:41,619 --> 01:13:42,279
you, Jay.

2087
01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:44,600
I mean, when you look at

2088
01:13:45,060 --> 01:13:46,039
neural networks.

2089
01:13:46,819 --> 01:13:47,319
Right?

2090
01:13:48,354 --> 01:13:50,034
Let me go back, and I talk about

2091
01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:52,274
NASA all the time. Right? And I often

2092
01:13:52,274 --> 01:13:53,734
talk about Dennis Bushnell,

2093
01:13:54,515 --> 01:13:56,774
his future strategic warfare document,

2094
01:13:57,475 --> 01:13:59,655
2025 from July of 2,001.

2095
01:14:00,770 --> 01:14:01,270
Bushnell,

2096
01:14:02,289 --> 01:14:03,590
in one of these interviews,

2097
01:14:04,529 --> 01:14:06,710
starts talking about when he

2098
01:14:07,090 --> 01:14:09,489
sends, you know, his minions out to get

2099
01:14:09,489 --> 01:14:11,590
information, where do they go? They go to

2100
01:14:11,890 --> 01:14:13,715
Google. Right? And he called it the de

2101
01:14:13,715 --> 01:14:15,895
facto brain. Now, rather nonchalantly,

2102
01:14:17,074 --> 01:14:19,175
he goes, there's going to come a point,

2103
01:14:19,875 --> 01:14:20,694
rather soon

2104
01:14:21,314 --> 01:14:21,814
where

2105
01:14:22,274 --> 01:14:22,774
basically

2106
01:14:23,074 --> 01:14:25,655
these large language models are going to absorb

2107
01:14:25,875 --> 01:14:27,255
every single communication.

2108
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:30,569
They're gonna read every email, every social media

2109
01:14:30,569 --> 01:14:31,069
post,

2110
01:14:31,529 --> 01:14:32,029
etcetera.

2111
01:14:32,569 --> 01:14:34,109
And then from that,

2112
01:14:34,569 --> 01:14:36,969
it is going to build profiles on all

2113
01:14:36,969 --> 01:14:38,029
of us. And I think

2114
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:40,189
when you talk about Blockchain

2115
01:14:40,649 --> 01:14:41,550
and the micromanaging,

2116
01:14:42,675 --> 01:14:44,595
number 1, if you get to that kind

2117
01:14:44,595 --> 01:14:46,614
of social credit currency standpoint,

2118
01:14:47,475 --> 01:14:50,194
you can use smart smart contracts to regulate

2119
01:14:50,194 --> 01:14:52,614
the heat in your house, the water pressure,

2120
01:14:52,835 --> 01:14:54,994
you name it, if it's actually built into

2121
01:14:54,994 --> 01:14:56,774
that grid. That's why I'm a big proponent

2122
01:14:57,329 --> 01:14:59,829
of not having these type of systems online

2123
01:14:59,889 --> 01:15:01,409
at any point. You know, we talk about

2124
01:15:01,409 --> 01:15:03,750
these cyber attacks. I think it's insane

2125
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:06,789
that somebody can remote into a power plant

2126
01:15:07,090 --> 01:15:08,849
or a bridge or a dam. I mean,

2127
01:15:08,849 --> 01:15:10,689
you go down the line, that should not

2128
01:15:10,689 --> 01:15:11,349
be allowed.

2129
01:15:11,649 --> 01:15:12,149
But

2130
01:15:12,555 --> 01:15:14,074
on top of that, you know, I talk

2131
01:15:14,074 --> 01:15:15,614
about the AGI things.

2132
01:15:16,234 --> 01:15:18,414
What really frightens me is that

2133
01:15:18,954 --> 01:15:20,494
they can build AGIs

2134
01:15:21,034 --> 01:15:23,515
surrounding you and detach you from reality even

2135
01:15:23,515 --> 01:15:24,574
more. In other words,

2136
01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:27,449
you're gonna start interacting with things that aren't

2137
01:15:27,449 --> 01:15:29,550
human a lot in the next 5 years.

2138
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:32,010
Where they're not even gonna advertise to you

2139
01:15:32,010 --> 01:15:33,710
that you get to talk to a person,

2140
01:15:34,010 --> 01:15:36,810
it's gonna be GPT 10, or it's gonna

2141
01:15:36,810 --> 01:15:38,729
be a different thing. And it's gonna be

2142
01:15:38,729 --> 01:15:40,854
so human like, forget about it. And then

2143
01:15:40,854 --> 01:15:43,015
you're gonna have the social media influencers that

2144
01:15:43,015 --> 01:15:45,574
are a 100% AI. I even I haven't

2145
01:15:45,574 --> 01:15:47,494
even gotten to the scammers and things like

2146
01:15:47,494 --> 01:15:49,734
that. And that's really where these kind of

2147
01:15:49,734 --> 01:15:50,875
networks of information

2148
01:15:51,975 --> 01:15:55,050
get personalized and extremely dangerous. Because if you're

2149
01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:57,289
on these devices too much, and I would

2150
01:15:57,289 --> 01:15:57,789
argue

2151
01:15:58,489 --> 01:16:00,889
at some level, you're gonna get manipulated just

2152
01:16:00,889 --> 01:16:03,609
like we already are and have been forever,

2153
01:16:03,609 --> 01:16:06,904
whether from a magazine ad with subliminals or

2154
01:16:06,904 --> 01:16:09,784
a commercial we watched or, you know, those

2155
01:16:09,784 --> 01:16:10,604
type of things.

2156
01:16:11,064 --> 01:16:11,885
On such

2157
01:16:12,585 --> 01:16:14,824
a such a nuance level, it's gonna be

2158
01:16:14,824 --> 01:16:16,664
very dangerous. And there's gonna be people that

2159
01:16:16,664 --> 01:16:18,284
gravitate towards it. Right?

2160
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,119
So that's gonna build I talk about a

2161
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:23,359
post truth world, but it's gonna be even

2162
01:16:23,359 --> 01:16:25,840
harder to fight the narrative when we've already

2163
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,159
already been told, all already been told, that

2164
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,640
like you said, AI is smarter. It can

2165
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:31,840
do it better. And in a lot of

2166
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,680
cases, we're gonna see it actually do it

2167
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,125
better. Right? And then people are gonna be

2168
01:16:36,125 --> 01:16:37,345
tricked into that. So

2169
01:16:37,805 --> 01:16:40,444
when you're talking about the neural networks based

2170
01:16:40,444 --> 01:16:41,824
on Blockchain technology

2171
01:16:42,284 --> 01:16:43,885
and the fact that if you move it

2172
01:16:43,885 --> 01:16:45,965
to digital, you know, everybody's gonna be on

2173
01:16:45,965 --> 01:16:48,045
a device like this or if they get

2174
01:16:48,045 --> 01:16:50,829
their way internally. Right? We're seeing the return

2175
01:16:50,829 --> 01:16:53,390
of AR devices on a mass level. Remember

2176
01:16:53,390 --> 01:16:55,310
when they tried to launch Google Glass, it

2177
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:56,050
didn't go?

2178
01:16:56,430 --> 01:16:57,810
Now I can buy a $300

2179
01:16:58,430 --> 01:16:59,569
pair of Ray Bans.

2180
01:16:59,949 --> 01:17:02,189
Okay? And it's got pretty much all the

2181
01:17:02,189 --> 01:17:02,689
functionality.

2182
01:17:03,069 --> 01:17:05,764
It doesn't look as crazy. It lasts even

2183
01:17:05,764 --> 01:17:07,704
longer. So now that information,

2184
01:17:08,404 --> 01:17:11,364
forget about just everything I've typed and done

2185
01:17:11,364 --> 01:17:12,425
on social media

2186
01:17:12,885 --> 01:17:15,284
and posted, including something like this where you

2187
01:17:15,284 --> 01:17:17,939
saw my mannerisms and you heard me talk.

2188
01:17:18,260 --> 01:17:21,640
Now, you're literally gonna get what I'm seeing

2189
01:17:21,699 --> 01:17:23,159
for hours at a time.

2190
01:17:23,699 --> 01:17:25,640
My entire peripheral. Right?

2191
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:28,600
We're gonna be in a new place

2192
01:17:28,979 --> 01:17:30,840
really, really soon, and

2193
01:17:31,574 --> 01:17:33,414
I think, obviously, this is also a step

2194
01:17:33,414 --> 01:17:34,154
to transhumanism,

2195
01:17:35,414 --> 01:17:37,175
on a level a lot of levels. I

2196
01:17:37,175 --> 01:17:38,715
know there are some people,

2197
01:17:39,255 --> 01:17:40,774
and I and I don't go this route

2198
01:17:40,774 --> 01:17:42,135
because I can't prove it, and I have

2199
01:17:42,135 --> 01:17:44,215
no idea how viable it is. But, you

2200
01:17:44,215 --> 01:17:46,770
know, there are patents out there where eventually

2201
01:17:46,829 --> 01:17:48,210
when you're not only merged

2202
01:17:48,510 --> 01:17:50,590
with some of this bio nano tech, you

2203
01:17:50,590 --> 01:17:54,430
become a system of energy. Right? So, you

2204
01:17:54,430 --> 01:17:56,430
know, forget about whether that's real. The Internet

2205
01:17:56,430 --> 01:17:58,909
of bodies is real. Okay? So now if

2206
01:17:58,909 --> 01:18:00,989
you have a biosensor, if you've got the

2207
01:18:00,989 --> 01:18:01,489
smartwatch

2208
01:18:02,404 --> 01:18:04,965
on, that information is being involved in building

2209
01:18:04,965 --> 01:18:05,784
these networks.

2210
01:18:06,164 --> 01:18:08,484
Can it be utilized in a positive? Sure.

2211
01:18:08,484 --> 01:18:10,324
All this technology is a double edged sword,

2212
01:18:10,324 --> 01:18:11,845
but when you have bad people at the

2213
01:18:11,845 --> 01:18:15,145
top, and like Catherine said, mister Globalist

2214
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:18,329
is never gonna be subservient to his power.

2215
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:20,710
There will always be a handful within the

2216
01:18:20,710 --> 01:18:21,689
predator class

2217
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:25,510
that oversee and have oversight over this. Now

2218
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:27,925
the question is whether or not they can

2219
01:18:27,925 --> 01:18:29,444
do that in a manner where there is

2220
01:18:29,444 --> 01:18:32,425
no accountability and no one challenges their system.

2221
01:18:32,645 --> 01:18:33,125
Right?

2222
01:18:33,604 --> 01:18:34,904
On a meaningful level.

2223
01:18:35,284 --> 01:18:37,125
Maybe. I hope not. I hope we can

2224
01:18:37,125 --> 01:18:38,645
challenge it. I hope that's kinda what we're

2225
01:18:38,645 --> 01:18:39,704
doing here. Right?

2226
01:18:40,164 --> 01:18:42,639
Yep. Well, here's another example of the you

2227
01:18:42,639 --> 01:18:45,599
know, for an obvious very early step. Because

2228
01:18:45,599 --> 01:18:47,119
my worry is where this gets larger. We're

2229
01:18:47,119 --> 01:18:49,439
talking about using a this is UAE blockchain

2230
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,760
powered carbon tracking. Right? You can see how

2231
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,359
easily these things get out of control whether

2232
01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:55,005
it's presented in a different way or not.

2233
01:18:55,085 --> 01:18:56,764
And I think that's what my biggest concern

2234
01:18:56,764 --> 01:18:58,604
is in bringing this to the idea of

2235
01:18:58,604 --> 01:19:00,524
things like Prospera, which I think is an

2236
01:19:00,524 --> 01:19:03,725
obvious fake libertarian, like, technocratic nightmare. And I

2237
01:19:03,725 --> 01:19:05,645
think the idea is they're using Bitcoin. That

2238
01:19:05,645 --> 01:19:07,425
was the main point. Or they're using Starlink.

2239
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:08,869
You know? And then we have the idea

2240
01:19:08,869 --> 01:19:11,429
of Donald Trump and his freedom cities. You

2241
01:19:11,429 --> 01:19:13,909
know? Where was that? Right here. Anyway, the

2242
01:19:13,909 --> 01:19:15,189
the one of those are what we're gonna

2243
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:16,789
get into is that that that there the

2244
01:19:16,789 --> 01:19:17,909
overlap of all of that. And I think

2245
01:19:17,909 --> 01:19:19,604
that, you know, just as a general point,

2246
01:19:19,604 --> 01:19:21,625
I'm worried about how that kind of intertwines

2247
01:19:21,925 --> 01:19:23,444
even to the point of whether it's floated

2248
01:19:23,444 --> 01:19:25,125
as something that's not what it is. But

2249
01:19:25,125 --> 01:19:26,805
I think all that we're discussing today makes

2250
01:19:26,805 --> 01:19:28,024
it very obvious that

2251
01:19:28,404 --> 01:19:30,725
the the the hope of whether or not

2252
01:19:30,725 --> 01:19:32,744
these people do what they say they do,

2253
01:19:32,885 --> 01:19:34,324
as Catherine points out, even if they do

2254
01:19:34,324 --> 01:19:35,949
those things might not be what we want,

2255
01:19:35,949 --> 01:19:37,090
but we should be

2256
01:19:37,390 --> 01:19:38,909
holding up for action, I argue. And I

2257
01:19:38,909 --> 01:19:40,109
think all of this stuff is going in

2258
01:19:40,109 --> 01:19:42,109
the wrong direction, quite frankly. I guess I

2259
01:19:42,109 --> 01:19:43,149
could ask on the way out when she

2260
01:19:43,149 --> 01:19:44,590
has anything else you wanna get into about

2261
01:19:44,590 --> 01:19:46,189
whether this would be different if Kamala Harris

2262
01:19:46,189 --> 01:19:47,485
was in power. Not to make it a

2263
01:19:47,485 --> 01:19:49,085
partisan thing, but to make the larger point

2264
01:19:49,085 --> 01:19:50,765
from my perspective, and I'll start, I don't

2265
01:19:50,765 --> 01:19:52,204
think it would be. I think the same

2266
01:19:52,204 --> 01:19:54,125
thing would be happening. Because I I always

2267
01:19:54,125 --> 01:19:55,585
do have that different perspective.

2268
01:19:56,364 --> 01:19:58,204
I think it would have been fast tracked

2269
01:19:58,204 --> 01:20:00,989
or streamlined more. I think that this thing

2270
01:20:00,989 --> 01:20:03,630
is barreling through on some level no matter

2271
01:20:03,630 --> 01:20:06,189
what. I think with the Trump administration, it

2272
01:20:06,189 --> 01:20:08,850
is gonna play, I think, towards Trump's ignorance

2273
01:20:08,909 --> 01:20:09,729
and the propensity

2274
01:20:10,510 --> 01:20:12,270
of him putting all these tech people in

2275
01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:14,364
there. Look, we've had this discussion a 1000000

2276
01:20:14,364 --> 01:20:16,125
times. It's another show, but Musk is a

2277
01:20:16,125 --> 01:20:18,925
cutout. Right? I mean, come on. He can't

2278
01:20:18,925 --> 01:20:21,164
be on social media all the time and

2279
01:20:21,164 --> 01:20:22,385
running Neuralink,

2280
01:20:23,005 --> 01:20:23,505
SpaceX,

2281
01:20:24,045 --> 01:20:25,344
The Boring Company,

2282
01:20:25,725 --> 01:20:27,404
X, go down the line. There's so I

2283
01:20:27,404 --> 01:20:27,904
mean,

2284
01:20:28,369 --> 01:20:30,949
they call it rocket science for a reason

2285
01:20:31,090 --> 01:20:33,670
because it's really effing hard. Alright?

2286
01:20:34,050 --> 01:20:36,310
Like, that would be, like, the only thing,

2287
01:20:36,609 --> 01:20:38,449
but he is saying a lot of the

2288
01:20:38,449 --> 01:20:39,970
right things at the same time. Like he

2289
01:20:39,970 --> 01:20:42,204
said, Starlink is an information center

2290
01:20:42,925 --> 01:20:45,725
system. It's also a warfare system. That's why

2291
01:20:45,725 --> 01:20:46,385
the concentration

2292
01:20:46,925 --> 01:20:49,005
of the most of the satellite dishes are

2293
01:20:49,005 --> 01:20:51,185
in Ukraine right now. You know,

2294
01:20:52,125 --> 01:20:54,525
that alone is dangerous. He already got the

2295
01:20:54,525 --> 01:20:57,300
contracts for the next spy satellite system. He

2296
01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:59,699
already launches the current spy satellite system. But

2297
01:20:59,699 --> 01:21:01,539
he's an outsider, guys. That's gonna fucking Yeah.

2298
01:21:01,539 --> 01:21:02,520
He's just an outsider.

2299
01:21:03,140 --> 01:21:04,840
Look. Again, I understand

2300
01:21:05,699 --> 01:21:08,260
why people get tricked into that. So look,

2301
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:10,500
as far as the overarching thing, does it

2302
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:11,000
stop?

2303
01:21:11,715 --> 01:21:13,574
No. But I think it's on an acceleration

2304
01:21:13,875 --> 01:21:14,375
level

2305
01:21:15,234 --> 01:21:17,795
that's maximized with more of the same regime.

2306
01:21:17,795 --> 01:21:20,194
Right? Because Biden's not running anything. He's running

2307
01:21:20,194 --> 01:21:22,114
into the jungle not knowing where he is.

2308
01:21:22,114 --> 01:21:24,354
Kamala Harris didn't run anything. It would be

2309
01:21:24,354 --> 01:21:26,694
an extension of that. I do think

2310
01:21:27,739 --> 01:21:30,000
that Trump at least recognizes

2311
01:21:30,539 --> 01:21:31,279
the dangers

2312
01:21:31,739 --> 01:21:32,640
of globalism,

2313
01:21:33,579 --> 01:21:35,920
of things like the climate change agenda,

2314
01:21:36,460 --> 01:21:38,159
the Trans Pacific Partnership,

2315
01:21:38,539 --> 01:21:41,335
etcetera, where that's gonna be pushed by the

2316
01:21:41,335 --> 01:21:43,675
other administration. Whether or not anything meaningful happens,

2317
01:21:43,975 --> 01:21:45,994
I don't know. You know, I'm also,

2318
01:21:46,375 --> 01:21:48,215
of the belief that he really did get

2319
01:21:48,215 --> 01:21:49,895
shot in the ear, and the second attempt

2320
01:21:49,895 --> 01:21:51,494
got real too. I know there are some

2321
01:21:51,494 --> 01:21:52,954
people that don't believe that.

2322
01:21:53,890 --> 01:21:55,430
I I think that if anything

2323
01:21:56,369 --> 01:21:58,369
woke him up enough that these guys are

2324
01:21:58,369 --> 01:22:00,710
bad people and maybe there is something bigger,

2325
01:22:01,010 --> 01:22:03,170
that would be it. But, hey, man.

2326
01:22:03,570 --> 01:22:05,409
I'm on the rodeo train. You know what?

2327
01:22:05,409 --> 01:22:07,965
I like empirical evidence. I'm a forensics

2328
01:22:08,265 --> 01:22:10,984
guy. I'm also not a guy that's afraid

2329
01:22:10,984 --> 01:22:12,664
to say what I don't like. So, like,

2330
01:22:12,664 --> 01:22:14,425
I can't stand the fact he's still out

2331
01:22:14,425 --> 01:22:17,225
there talking about the Syria gas attack in

2332
01:22:17,225 --> 01:22:20,364
Douma that never happened. Right? And and Soleimani

2333
01:22:20,505 --> 01:22:22,185
and all the other stuff. I I like

2334
01:22:22,185 --> 01:22:22,844
to believe

2335
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,020
that his mea culpa for Operation Warp Speed

2336
01:22:26,399 --> 01:22:28,239
is trying to get Bobby Kennedy in the

2337
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,720
HHS, the guy that's called both the hate

2338
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,780
and lies shot and the virus itself, bioweapons.

2339
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:36,345
Right? That's a pretty big move. I prefer

2340
01:22:36,345 --> 01:22:38,765
to work on Israel and get another discussion.

2341
01:22:38,905 --> 01:22:40,824
Yeah. No. They all suck with the military

2342
01:22:40,824 --> 01:22:43,244
industrial complex, but at least I

2343
01:22:43,864 --> 01:22:45,945
look, with these maniacs that are in office

2344
01:22:45,945 --> 01:22:46,605
right now,

2345
01:22:46,985 --> 01:22:48,664
I think World War 3 is a real

2346
01:22:48,664 --> 01:22:49,164
possibility.

2347
01:22:49,849 --> 01:22:50,989
With Trump in

2348
01:22:51,449 --> 01:22:53,469
office, I think it's less of a possibility.

2349
01:22:53,689 --> 01:22:55,369
You guys do have 2 questions. We're gonna

2350
01:22:55,369 --> 01:22:56,429
promise it.

2351
01:22:56,969 --> 01:22:59,770
Like 25 to 40% less. Because I don't

2352
01:22:59,809 --> 01:23:01,050
How are we gonna end the show with

2353
01:23:01,050 --> 01:23:02,409
that kind of a statement? We're gonna talk

2354
01:23:02,409 --> 01:23:03,564
for 5 hours.

2355
01:23:04,185 --> 01:23:06,744
Right? Oh my goodness. Look, I'll say I'll

2356
01:23:06,744 --> 01:23:09,385
say this, man. I I don't think Kamala

2357
01:23:09,385 --> 01:23:10,685
Harris was ever

2358
01:23:11,064 --> 01:23:12,125
a legitimate

2359
01:23:12,744 --> 01:23:15,225
candidate. I think that they knew that they

2360
01:23:15,225 --> 01:23:17,465
couldn't run Biden going back to when they

2361
01:23:17,465 --> 01:23:18,604
nominated Biden,

2362
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,640
that he was gonna be a one term

2363
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,039
president. I'd firmly believe, and I've said it

2364
01:23:23,039 --> 01:23:25,280
from day 1. The I mean, I was

2365
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,979
saying this in 2020,

2366
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:27,860
2021.

2367
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,280
They're going to pull Joe sometime relatively close

2368
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,020
to the convention.

2369
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,260
They're going to install Harris.

2370
01:23:34,574 --> 01:23:37,215
She's set up to lose because everyone hates

2371
01:23:37,215 --> 01:23:39,875
her, and you have to have

2372
01:23:40,255 --> 01:23:41,154
Trump 2.0

2373
01:23:41,935 --> 01:23:43,475
for all of the infrastructure

2374
01:23:43,854 --> 01:23:46,750
to hit those agenda 20, 30 goals. You

2375
01:23:46,750 --> 01:23:49,949
couldn't get that done as much under Harris,

2376
01:23:49,949 --> 01:23:51,729
not with the digital prison grid,

2377
01:23:52,189 --> 01:23:53,949
not with the way that they've already set

2378
01:23:53,949 --> 01:23:56,130
up Elon Musk as a disposable

2379
01:23:56,829 --> 01:23:57,970
defense contractor.

2380
01:23:59,085 --> 01:24:01,744
Because, again, it's not like he actually made

2381
01:24:02,125 --> 01:24:05,404
a single Starlink or StarShield satellite. It's not

2382
01:24:05,404 --> 01:24:08,045
like he's ever actually made any of the

2383
01:24:08,045 --> 01:24:10,064
products that he's the face for.

2384
01:24:10,444 --> 01:24:12,800
The he's actually kind of just

2385
01:24:13,180 --> 01:24:15,979
a weird little goofball who should be playing

2386
01:24:15,979 --> 01:24:18,380
Diablo 4 all day, which is apparently what

2387
01:24:18,380 --> 01:24:19,819
he does because he's the best in the

2388
01:24:19,819 --> 01:24:22,000
world at it. You know? Unbelievable.

2389
01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:23,600
It's all that's unbelievable.

2390
01:24:25,654 --> 01:24:27,494
It's so because I'm sure because the while

2391
01:24:27,494 --> 01:24:29,175
running all these companies, because that perfect we

2392
01:24:29,175 --> 01:24:31,175
all know how long this takes. I mean,

2393
01:24:31,175 --> 01:24:33,095
come on. Yeah. No. It's No. I I

2394
01:24:33,095 --> 01:24:34,614
think what what's interesting and I'll give you

2395
01:24:34,614 --> 01:24:35,975
the last word on this stuff, Catherine. I

2396
01:24:35,975 --> 01:24:37,274
think just, you know, obviously,

2397
01:24:37,780 --> 01:24:39,699
we should all hope that these people wanna

2398
01:24:39,699 --> 01:24:40,979
do what we think is the right thing.

2399
01:24:40,979 --> 01:24:42,899
I mean, nobody that's that's the interesting dynamic

2400
01:24:42,899 --> 01:24:44,659
in this kinda conversation is it comes back

2401
01:24:44,659 --> 01:24:47,060
to where, you know, it's like we look.

2402
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:48,579
When we say we hope hope they should

2403
01:24:48,579 --> 01:24:50,920
succeed, I think we all anybody honest does.

2404
01:24:51,064 --> 01:24:52,824
But it's about being realistic about where they

2405
01:24:52,824 --> 01:24:54,904
come from, what they're really doing, what their

2406
01:24:54,904 --> 01:24:56,425
actions are showing. And I I think right

2407
01:24:56,425 --> 01:24:58,344
now, we should have that hope, but realize

2408
01:24:58,344 --> 01:25:00,104
that every single step so far has been

2409
01:25:00,104 --> 01:25:00,764
a dramatic

2410
01:25:01,064 --> 01:25:02,585
step in the wrong direction, even what they

2411
01:25:02,585 --> 01:25:03,484
promised everybody

2412
01:25:03,820 --> 01:25:05,100
in in the base. You know? And I

2413
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:07,100
think that's very obvious. So with what we're

2414
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:08,860
seeing with the bitcoin dynamic, with all the

2415
01:25:08,860 --> 01:25:10,460
things that are happening, I don't know why

2416
01:25:10,460 --> 01:25:12,619
they're not the most obviously on guard with

2417
01:25:12,619 --> 01:25:14,380
everything they were just calling out. And so,

2418
01:25:14,380 --> 01:25:15,739
again, I hope for the best. I'll be

2419
01:25:15,739 --> 01:25:17,020
right there with you, Jason, if it goes

2420
01:25:17,020 --> 01:25:18,300
the right way. And I I I we

2421
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:19,875
should all be happy about that but I

2422
01:25:19,875 --> 01:25:21,154
feel bad about where it goes so far.

2423
01:25:21,154 --> 01:25:22,694
And I think it's giving us, you know,

2424
01:25:22,835 --> 01:25:24,594
bad indications for where that's gonna go. So,

2425
01:25:24,594 --> 01:25:25,795
Catherine, if you wanna say anything on the

2426
01:25:25,795 --> 01:25:27,394
way out about what we've talked about today

2427
01:25:27,394 --> 01:25:29,074
or So I you know, I just have

2428
01:25:29,074 --> 01:25:30,274
to say in closing, I've

2429
01:25:32,114 --> 01:25:33,954
what I wanna say is I've really enjoyed

2430
01:25:33,954 --> 01:25:34,694
this conversation.

2431
01:25:35,610 --> 01:25:36,989
And I've really enjoyed,

2432
01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:38,670
you know,

2433
01:25:39,449 --> 01:25:41,210
getting a chance to talk with Steve and

2434
01:25:41,210 --> 01:25:42,110
Jason. But

2435
01:25:42,489 --> 01:25:43,310
I see

2436
01:25:43,689 --> 01:25:46,010
all over Europe, all over the United States,

2437
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:48,090
all over the world, people who wanna be

2438
01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:48,590
free,

2439
01:25:49,635 --> 01:25:50,774
including people who

2440
01:25:51,154 --> 01:25:53,074
have assets, who don't wanna end up with

2441
01:25:53,074 --> 01:25:54,534
no assets in 2030.

2442
01:25:55,474 --> 01:25:57,554
And all I can tell you is that,

2443
01:25:58,914 --> 01:26:00,514
you know, when you spend time with those

2444
01:26:00,514 --> 01:26:02,770
people, you have a much better time. My

2445
01:26:02,770 --> 01:26:04,930
favorite quote for 2024 was a doctor in

2446
01:26:04,930 --> 01:26:07,090
Switzerland who's building a parallel health system. He

2447
01:26:07,090 --> 01:26:07,590
said

2448
01:26:08,050 --> 01:26:10,550
the currency of the future will be relationships

2449
01:26:10,689 --> 01:26:11,430
of trust.

2450
01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:14,949
And, and when you have a political problem,

2451
01:26:15,445 --> 01:26:18,164
it's people who can solve it and and

2452
01:26:18,164 --> 01:26:20,324
people who can build new systems and new

2453
01:26:20,324 --> 01:26:23,525
governance systems. And all I can tell everybody

2454
01:26:23,525 --> 01:26:25,925
listening to this is the reason I believe

2455
01:26:25,925 --> 01:26:28,725
freedom will will ultimately win is because we

2456
01:26:28,725 --> 01:26:30,185
just have a better time.

2457
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,199
So I've really enjoyed it. I can't thank

2458
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,119
you enough, Ryan, for pulling this together. I

2459
01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:37,280
know it's a tremendous work, but I really

2460
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:38,980
appreciate your leadership. And

2461
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,760
I just can't imagine when I listen to

2462
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:42,500
you that,

2463
01:26:43,034 --> 01:26:45,835
I know an AI can can process faster

2464
01:26:45,835 --> 01:26:48,395
than you can, but nobody can inspire me

2465
01:26:48,395 --> 01:26:50,715
and make me laugh, as they say something

2466
01:26:50,715 --> 01:26:52,654
really intelligent the way you can.

2467
01:26:53,914 --> 01:26:55,835
Thank you. So I'll take the keywords every

2468
01:26:55,835 --> 01:26:56,335
time.

2469
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,039
Thank you, Catherine. I really appreciate that. And

2470
01:26:59,039 --> 01:27:00,159
I do I think this was a great

2471
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:01,920
conversation. And, you know, I I think that

2472
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,719
this is important that we have obviously different

2473
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:06,159
opinions, you know, and that we continue to

2474
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,399
flush these things out. And and, while hoping

2475
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:10,000
for the best, obviously, but I think this

2476
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,854
conversation is obviously concerning with what we're on

2477
01:27:12,854 --> 01:27:14,934
the precipice of, about the Bitcoin dynamic, the

2478
01:27:14,934 --> 01:27:17,255
AI conversation, the great reset. I just hope

2479
01:27:17,255 --> 01:27:18,694
people are on guard. That's all I want.

2480
01:27:18,694 --> 01:27:20,694
Just question what's coming, be skeptical of it.

2481
01:27:20,774 --> 01:27:21,974
The thing I keep saying on my show

2482
01:27:21,974 --> 01:27:22,474
is

2483
01:27:22,854 --> 01:27:24,454
even if you believe in Trump, whoever you

2484
01:27:24,454 --> 01:27:25,659
believe in, that should be the person that

2485
01:27:25,659 --> 01:27:26,779
you hold their feet to the fire more

2486
01:27:26,779 --> 01:27:29,099
than anybody because you expect more from them.

2487
01:27:29,099 --> 01:27:30,460
You know? And that's what I really wanna

2488
01:27:30,460 --> 01:27:31,659
see as we go forward is that we're

2489
01:27:31,659 --> 01:27:33,899
being very critical of these people. So, we

2490
01:27:33,899 --> 01:27:35,420
have a lot more coming in general on

2491
01:27:35,420 --> 01:27:37,244
on the IMA. Our our the site should

2492
01:27:37,244 --> 01:27:39,005
be up reasonably soon. That's still being built.

2493
01:27:39,005 --> 01:27:40,284
We just want it to be perfect and

2494
01:27:40,284 --> 01:27:41,885
done right. We should be seeing an uptick

2495
01:27:41,885 --> 01:27:43,404
on some of these panels coming your way.

2496
01:27:43,404 --> 01:27:45,824
I believe we're looking for 1, in early

2497
01:27:45,885 --> 01:27:46,385
December.

2498
01:27:46,685 --> 01:27:47,804
And so just keep your eye out for

2499
01:27:47,804 --> 01:27:49,085
more of this. I I think there's gonna

2500
01:27:49,085 --> 01:27:50,204
be a lot more coming from this in

2501
01:27:50,204 --> 01:27:52,399
general and all of our individual platforms. So

2502
01:27:52,399 --> 01:27:54,880
thanks for all everybody for being here. Oh,

2503
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,720
sorry. I had the reverb. I thought somebody

2504
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,239
was saying something. Thank you all for being

2505
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,320
here. And, as always, question everything. Come to

2506
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:01,140
your own conclusions.

2507
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,260
Stay vigilant.