1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,319 This is the dystopia that we have been 2 00:00:02,319 --> 00:00:04,480 talking about in the west. And when you 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,120 look at 2030 road map between Israel and 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:07,779 the UK, 5 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,719 all of this technology is being developed on 6 00:00:10,719 --> 00:00:12,719 the back of the genocide of Palestinians, but 7 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:15,214 it's gonna be used against us. We need 8 00:00:15,214 --> 00:00:17,875 to make the connection between what is happening 9 00:00:18,094 --> 00:00:18,835 in West 10 00:00:19,454 --> 00:00:21,934 Asia, what the resistance is trying to do, 11 00:00:21,934 --> 00:00:24,274 because the resistance are aware of Netanyahu's 12 00:00:24,574 --> 00:00:26,494 vision of a new order. They're very aware 13 00:00:26,494 --> 00:00:29,000 of it, and they literally feel 14 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:31,079 they are fighting this war 15 00:00:31,619 --> 00:00:32,439 for everybody. 16 00:00:56,679 --> 00:00:59,159 Welcome to the last American vagabond joining me 17 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:00,800 again today. And it's been a long hiatus. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,359 I haven't seen her in a while. Vanessa 19 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:03,960 Bealy, always honored to have her on the 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,799 show because she is so immersed in these 21 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:08,920 topics, always has more insight, more in-depth objective 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,400 non partisan information than pretty much anybody else 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,534 out there. Bringing on today to discuss kind 24 00:01:13,534 --> 00:01:14,814 of what's going on in the Middle East, 25 00:01:14,814 --> 00:01:17,775 her perspectives on Lebanon, Gaza, all the different 26 00:01:17,775 --> 00:01:20,015 overlaps, Syria, and kinda just see how she 27 00:01:20,015 --> 00:01:21,614 perceives a lot of what's happening. And we 28 00:01:21,614 --> 00:01:23,854 can talk about Zionism and influence on the 29 00:01:23,854 --> 00:01:25,314 upcoming election selection, 30 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:28,759 conversations about just different dynamics, the blocking of 31 00:01:28,759 --> 00:01:30,200 aid, and so on. We have plenty of 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,799 talk plenty of things to cover today. So, 33 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:33,479 Vanessa, how are you? It's always a pleasure 34 00:01:33,479 --> 00:01:34,539 to have you on the show. 35 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,599 Oh, hi, Ryan. It's always nice to be 36 00:01:36,599 --> 00:01:38,119 back on with you. And, yeah, it has 37 00:01:38,119 --> 00:01:40,439 been too long. So it's it's really good 38 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:42,245 to be back. Yeah. It's good to see 39 00:01:42,245 --> 00:01:43,685 you. I'm glad you're doing good. I mean, 40 00:01:43,685 --> 00:01:45,204 I'm I know you're always putting yourself in 41 00:01:45,204 --> 00:01:46,965 dangerous positions, so it's nice to see that 42 00:01:46,965 --> 00:01:48,025 you're doing well. 43 00:01:48,724 --> 00:01:50,325 So so where where are you right now? 44 00:01:50,325 --> 00:01:51,685 And if you wanna get into that, then, 45 00:01:51,685 --> 00:01:52,954 you know, what what are you currently looking 46 00:01:52,954 --> 00:01:53,784 for? I mean, 47 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:55,900 you know, I'm in 48 00:01:56,439 --> 00:01:57,819 Damascus, which is 49 00:01:58,599 --> 00:01:59,099 relatively 50 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,340 calm, although, of course, Israel, 51 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,379 did bomb central Damascus 52 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,280 a couple of times in the last 2 53 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,020 weeks carrying out attempted assassinations 54 00:02:10,074 --> 00:02:12,235 and assassinations, and, of course, in the process, 55 00:02:12,235 --> 00:02:13,534 killing civilians and 56 00:02:13,834 --> 00:02:14,334 destroying, 57 00:02:15,194 --> 00:02:17,594 residential apartments in the center of one of 58 00:02:17,594 --> 00:02:18,655 the busiest areas 59 00:02:19,114 --> 00:02:19,854 of Damascus. 60 00:02:20,875 --> 00:02:22,474 And the last attack, of course, was at 61 00:02:22,474 --> 00:02:23,759 one of the busiest times. 62 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,159 But we also know that what Israel is 63 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:26,959 trying to do, 64 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:28,579 with the potential 65 00:02:28,959 --> 00:02:31,139 of increasing or escalating, 66 00:02:32,239 --> 00:02:34,400 the aggression in Syria is, of course, it 67 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,139 has been 68 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:38,235 bombing various areas in central 69 00:02:38,935 --> 00:02:40,395 coastal Syria, southern Syria, 70 00:02:40,775 --> 00:02:42,955 basically trying to clear a pathway, 71 00:02:43,894 --> 00:02:45,675 through the air defense and, 72 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:46,875 radar, 73 00:02:47,414 --> 00:02:49,914 you know, early warning radar systems. 74 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:54,860 And right now, of course, in collusion with 75 00:02:54,860 --> 00:02:57,260 Israel, we have a new front that is 76 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:59,340 actually being sorry. I've got a noisy cat 77 00:02:59,340 --> 00:03:00,319 for 2 seconds. 78 00:03:01,180 --> 00:03:04,534 That's being basically launched by Al Qaeda, 79 00:03:05,155 --> 00:03:07,634 in or Haqqani or Sham as they're now 80 00:03:07,634 --> 00:03:10,614 known, of course. They've been rebranded multiple times, 81 00:03:11,634 --> 00:03:13,955 in the northwest in Idlib. And so the 82 00:03:13,955 --> 00:03:16,435 Syrian Arab Army has been mobilizing to the 83 00:03:16,435 --> 00:03:17,894 northwest to try and deal 84 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,240 with really an expansion of that aggression or, 85 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,379 let's say, a reignition 86 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:25,060 of that aggression 87 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,780 with Ukrainian backing now, 88 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:28,819 alongside 89 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,740 US and Turkish. 90 00:03:31,985 --> 00:03:35,185 Turkey is is basically providing surveillance. It has 91 00:03:35,185 --> 00:03:37,284 military bases in the northwest 92 00:03:37,824 --> 00:03:40,084 and in the north where it's annexing 93 00:03:40,705 --> 00:03:42,324 effectively Syrian territory 94 00:03:42,625 --> 00:03:43,685 and is 95 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:46,340 using as a proxy 96 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,039 what were formerly known as the Free Syrian 97 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:49,539 Army, 98 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:51,860 that are now known as the, 99 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,800 oh, god, the Syrian National Army. I always 100 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,479 get so mixed up with all of the 101 00:03:56,479 --> 00:03:58,159 new monarchies that they put on them to 102 00:03:58,159 --> 00:03:59,925 try and disguise the fact it's the same 103 00:03:59,925 --> 00:04:00,905 guy. You know? 104 00:04:01,685 --> 00:04:03,064 So, you know, Syria 105 00:04:03,765 --> 00:04:05,705 as I say, Syria isn't seeing, 106 00:04:06,564 --> 00:04:08,665 the real heat of the battle yet, 107 00:04:09,125 --> 00:04:11,365 but it's you know, we're kind of bracing 108 00:04:11,365 --> 00:04:11,865 ourselves, 109 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:13,270 because 110 00:04:14,290 --> 00:04:17,189 here, people know that what stands between escalation 111 00:04:17,410 --> 00:04:17,910 here, 112 00:04:19,089 --> 00:04:19,910 is Hezbollah. 113 00:04:20,770 --> 00:04:21,270 Mhmm. 114 00:04:21,649 --> 00:04:23,730 So the war in Lebanon is is is 115 00:04:23,730 --> 00:04:24,470 sort of 116 00:04:24,845 --> 00:04:26,625 pivotal to what happens next, 117 00:04:27,084 --> 00:04:28,384 in Syria, basically. 118 00:04:29,644 --> 00:04:31,324 Well, so a few things on Syria since 119 00:04:31,324 --> 00:04:33,485 we start there in in so in regard 120 00:04:33,485 --> 00:04:35,485 to the larger perspective. Well, actually, first, before 121 00:04:35,485 --> 00:04:36,764 we get to that, how it fits in 122 00:04:36,764 --> 00:04:39,004 everything. So it's interesting. So we're talking about 123 00:04:39,004 --> 00:04:41,819 Idlib yet again. Right? So Mhmm. Those that 124 00:04:41,819 --> 00:04:43,660 may not have watched, meant our many different 125 00:04:43,660 --> 00:04:45,420 interviews over the years of this discussion or 126 00:04:45,420 --> 00:04:47,340 your work over it or just the, Brett 127 00:04:47,340 --> 00:04:50,220 McGurk himself highlighting it as the biggest hotspot 128 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:51,980 for Okta. You know, so how explain how 129 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:53,500 that fits in today. So you're talking about 130 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:55,485 a location that the US is working through 131 00:04:55,485 --> 00:04:57,805 today with foreign with other foreign partners through 132 00:04:57,805 --> 00:04:58,305 Idlib? 133 00:04:59,084 --> 00:05:01,725 Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you know, the US 134 00:05:01,725 --> 00:05:02,464 is working 135 00:05:02,764 --> 00:05:03,264 basically, 136 00:05:04,444 --> 00:05:05,665 you can go from 137 00:05:06,285 --> 00:05:08,759 the south up the eastern border 138 00:05:09,220 --> 00:05:10,280 into the northeast. 139 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:12,600 The north is pretty much 140 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:16,420 central northern areas or under the control of 141 00:05:16,420 --> 00:05:18,900 Turkey and its proxy forces, but, of course, 142 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:21,805 Turkey is a NATO member state. And then 143 00:05:21,805 --> 00:05:23,585 into the northwest, you've got, 144 00:05:24,125 --> 00:05:27,425 Abu Mohammed Jollani, who, if you remember PBS, 145 00:05:27,485 --> 00:05:29,485 tried to kind of normalize and put him 146 00:05:29,485 --> 00:05:31,564 in a suit and brush him up a 147 00:05:31,564 --> 00:05:33,105 bit and make him look human. 148 00:05:34,089 --> 00:05:36,490 But this guy was formerly with ISIS, then 149 00:05:36,490 --> 00:05:39,289 Al Qaeda or Nusra Front, and and then, 150 00:05:39,289 --> 00:05:41,529 basically, as I said, it was rebranded into 151 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:42,669 Hayatollah Al Sham. 152 00:05:42,970 --> 00:05:44,349 It formed the Salvation, 153 00:05:45,209 --> 00:05:47,504 government. So in other words, you know, the 154 00:05:47,504 --> 00:05:49,665 west was trying to present this as a 155 00:05:49,665 --> 00:05:50,805 legitimate opposition, 156 00:05:51,985 --> 00:05:53,125 to the legitimate, 157 00:05:54,225 --> 00:05:57,444 Syrian government and the internationally recognized Syrian government. 158 00:05:58,144 --> 00:05:59,824 Well, so just really so for for those 159 00:05:59,824 --> 00:06:01,439 that are you know, because we I'm in 160 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:03,279 a really positive way. We do have a 161 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,600 lot of new people in these conversations and 162 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,680 new eyes on these conversations that have never 163 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,039 been here before and really in a really 164 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:10,879 positive way. And whether that's because of the 165 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:12,879 COVID 19 illusion or the, you know, kind 166 00:06:12,879 --> 00:06:14,819 of dissolving conversation around Zionism. 167 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,935 So on that point, somebody who may be 168 00:06:16,935 --> 00:06:18,694 confused by going, wait, did she just say 169 00:06:18,694 --> 00:06:20,935 ISIS? And so the so, you know, I 170 00:06:20,935 --> 00:06:23,175 know this is structurally puratory. Right? So what 171 00:06:23,175 --> 00:06:25,735 we're talking about an ISIS Al Qaeda, and 172 00:06:25,735 --> 00:06:27,735 you're saying that the US government is working 173 00:06:27,735 --> 00:06:29,654 with these assets. Correct? And this location is 174 00:06:29,654 --> 00:06:31,470 where they're, as even Brett McGurk, not too 175 00:06:31,470 --> 00:06:32,829 long ago said, one of the biggest hot 176 00:06:32,829 --> 00:06:34,829 spots in the area. So just explain why 177 00:06:34,829 --> 00:06:36,110 that is the case for those that might 178 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:37,550 be shocked to hear you say that they're 179 00:06:37,550 --> 00:06:39,089 working alongside US entities. 180 00:06:40,269 --> 00:06:42,764 Well, basically, I mean, ISIS grew out of 181 00:06:42,845 --> 00:06:45,105 what was really Al Qaeda in, 182 00:06:45,965 --> 00:06:47,504 Iraq and and from, 183 00:06:47,884 --> 00:06:50,205 you know, the the black sites, the CIA 184 00:06:50,205 --> 00:06:51,905 black sites in Iraq. 185 00:06:52,285 --> 00:06:54,064 And they were given, let's say, 186 00:06:54,685 --> 00:06:57,985 the time period in order to be incubated, 187 00:06:58,490 --> 00:07:00,269 in order to form the organization, 188 00:07:01,129 --> 00:07:02,889 and so on by the US. You know, 189 00:07:02,889 --> 00:07:05,790 this this is a pretty well known fact. 190 00:07:06,730 --> 00:07:07,870 And then, of course, 191 00:07:08,410 --> 00:07:10,889 they were used, yes, they were weaponized, both 192 00:07:10,889 --> 00:07:12,269 Al Qaeda and ISIS, 193 00:07:13,354 --> 00:07:13,794 as, 194 00:07:14,235 --> 00:07:16,714 proxies of the US to overthrow the Syrian 195 00:07:16,714 --> 00:07:19,694 government. Now in 2016 in September, 196 00:07:20,475 --> 00:07:22,814 John Kerry, under the Obama administration, 197 00:07:23,595 --> 00:07:24,654 secretary of state, 198 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,160 was recorded in a closed, 199 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,980 session at the UN speaking to, 200 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:33,660 Syrian opposition activists, and that's that's a euphemism. 201 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:35,500 Terrorist 202 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,214 adjuncts, let's say, including, the White Helmet Organization 203 00:07:40,514 --> 00:07:43,314 that was midwived by the CIA and the 204 00:07:43,314 --> 00:07:44,935 MI 6 in order to, 205 00:07:46,115 --> 00:07:47,654 let's say, give a humanitarian 206 00:07:49,154 --> 00:07:49,654 cover 207 00:07:50,274 --> 00:07:53,014 to the terrorist groups and also to provide 208 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,079 the propaganda, including the chemical weapons fabricated staged 209 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:00,120 events that were used to criminalize the Syrian 210 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,660 government and Russia. 211 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,759 Mhmm. And in that closed session, what he 212 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:07,720 what he basically says was they allowed ISIS 213 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:08,379 to flourish, 214 00:08:09,384 --> 00:08:12,104 because they believed that ISIS would be able 215 00:08:12,104 --> 00:08:12,925 to overthrow 216 00:08:13,305 --> 00:08:15,464 the Syrian government. So that was a very 217 00:08:15,464 --> 00:08:16,444 clear admission. 218 00:08:17,384 --> 00:08:19,225 Right. And all I was gonna say really 219 00:08:19,225 --> 00:08:21,144 quickly, all all make sure you check out 220 00:08:21,144 --> 00:08:23,980 the many, many different interviews that Vanessa's had 221 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:25,660 around the world, but with t level alone, 222 00:08:25,660 --> 00:08:28,139 about the white helmets, about the the reality 223 00:08:28,139 --> 00:08:29,580 of all of this. I just on a 224 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:31,020 side note, I recommend you take a deep 225 00:08:31,020 --> 00:08:32,220 dive back in a lot of her work 226 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:33,740 and we've talked about because all this stuff 227 00:08:33,740 --> 00:08:35,740 is not new information. But for some people, 228 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:37,264 it may be shocking. But so with, you 229 00:08:37,264 --> 00:08:39,105 know, Al Tom for the Al Rupan camp 230 00:08:39,105 --> 00:08:41,665 or whatever, that that location and Idlib, we're 231 00:08:41,665 --> 00:08:43,184 talking about sort of the control of the 232 00:08:43,184 --> 00:08:45,304 flow through land bridges and so on Mhmm. 233 00:08:45,424 --> 00:08:47,745 And really just working alongside the terrorists. Right? 234 00:08:47,745 --> 00:08:50,144 The moderate rebels. And so that's interesting for 235 00:08:50,144 --> 00:08:51,424 new people to see. And so in that 236 00:08:51,424 --> 00:08:53,639 so in that context, we're talking about that 237 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:55,960 little dynamic working with Israel. So how does 238 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,779 that play 239 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,000 in the larger picture of what people are 240 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,240 seeing who may kind of just be waking 241 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,919 up to some of these foreign policy dynamics? 242 00:09:02,919 --> 00:09:04,220 Right? So we see Israel 243 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,575 occupy the occupation of Palestine, the ongoing situation 244 00:09:07,634 --> 00:09:10,995 there, occupying Lebanon, occupying parts of Syria. So 245 00:09:10,995 --> 00:09:12,595 what's Israel designed in this, and why is 246 00:09:12,595 --> 00:09:14,595 it suddenly relevant to the ongoing Middle East 247 00:09:14,595 --> 00:09:15,095 conversation? 248 00:09:16,274 --> 00:09:17,795 Well, if you go back to, 249 00:09:18,514 --> 00:09:20,535 1997 and the clean break doctrine, 250 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:22,879 that was commissioned by 251 00:09:23,259 --> 00:09:23,759 Netanyahu 252 00:09:24,139 --> 00:09:25,679 back then, so he's effectively 253 00:09:26,139 --> 00:09:28,879 been in control of these events largely, 254 00:09:29,899 --> 00:09:31,440 for the past 3 decades. 255 00:09:32,059 --> 00:09:33,440 Now the clean break doctrine 256 00:09:34,595 --> 00:09:35,095 talked 257 00:09:35,475 --> 00:09:39,235 openly about destroying Iraq as the road to 258 00:09:39,235 --> 00:09:40,455 Damascus, destabilizing 259 00:09:41,154 --> 00:09:41,654 Damascus, 260 00:09:42,274 --> 00:09:42,774 effectively, 261 00:09:43,875 --> 00:09:45,254 partitioning the region, 262 00:09:46,274 --> 00:09:46,774 bringing, 263 00:09:48,274 --> 00:09:49,014 let's say, 264 00:09:50,250 --> 00:09:53,070 less radical, this is Israel's language, 265 00:09:54,409 --> 00:09:57,529 Arab, Sunni Muslim states like the Gulf states, 266 00:09:57,529 --> 00:10:00,169 like Jordan, like Egypt on board. In other 267 00:10:00,169 --> 00:10:01,149 words, normalization 268 00:10:01,769 --> 00:10:03,470 with those nations to 269 00:10:03,845 --> 00:10:05,144 prevent them from 270 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:08,985 joining the resistance access to end the Zionist 271 00:10:09,045 --> 00:10:10,345 occupation in the region. 272 00:10:12,085 --> 00:10:14,805 And then, you know, it's it's a very 273 00:10:14,805 --> 00:10:17,445 long and convoluted history, but, you know, I'm 274 00:10:17,445 --> 00:10:19,500 gonna really try to kind of condense it 275 00:10:20,059 --> 00:10:21,120 down. But, effectively, 276 00:10:21,659 --> 00:10:24,460 what is Syria? Syria is the backbone of 277 00:10:24,460 --> 00:10:27,500 the resistance axis. So that resistance axis runs 278 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:30,379 from, if you imagine it, like like literally 279 00:10:30,379 --> 00:10:32,240 a spine. So from Palestine, 280 00:10:33,535 --> 00:10:34,595 through Lebanon, 281 00:10:35,134 --> 00:10:36,035 through Syria, 282 00:10:36,975 --> 00:10:39,615 into Iraq, and then into Iran, and, of 283 00:10:39,615 --> 00:10:43,154 course, Yemen is also included in in that 284 00:10:43,774 --> 00:10:44,274 track. 285 00:10:44,975 --> 00:10:48,100 Now Syria is the central hub. It's the 286 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:50,580 central land bridge. It is literally the spine 287 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:52,440 of the resistance, and that's why 288 00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:55,700 this war was started in 2011, to break 289 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:56,279 the spine, 290 00:10:57,059 --> 00:10:59,240 to destroy that land bridge 291 00:10:59,855 --> 00:11:03,394 where Iran and and other players can supply, 292 00:11:04,495 --> 00:11:07,714 the resistance with with arms even with humanitarian 293 00:11:07,934 --> 00:11:09,934 aid, of course, with oil because the US 294 00:11:09,934 --> 00:11:11,714 is occupying Syrian 295 00:11:12,095 --> 00:11:13,714 oil and agricultural resources 296 00:11:14,450 --> 00:11:17,590 in the northeast and even in the northwest 297 00:11:17,730 --> 00:11:19,809 under Al Qaeda, and Al Qaeda have a 298 00:11:19,809 --> 00:11:20,309 monopoly 299 00:11:20,929 --> 00:11:23,090 on the processing of the oil that is 300 00:11:23,090 --> 00:11:23,830 being stolen, 301 00:11:24,769 --> 00:11:27,250 by the US and its proxies, whether ISIS 302 00:11:27,250 --> 00:11:29,110 or now, of course, the Kurdish 303 00:11:29,705 --> 00:11:30,205 separatists 304 00:11:30,585 --> 00:11:32,764 known as the YPG or the SDF. 305 00:11:33,945 --> 00:11:34,764 And so 306 00:11:35,304 --> 00:11:38,264 for Israel, it was always incredibly important to 307 00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:40,764 bring Syria to heal. Now after 9/11, 308 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:42,840 Tony Blair and, 309 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,980 George w Bush attempted to do it through, 310 00:11:47,399 --> 00:11:49,820 let's say, courting president Assad, 311 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,340 trying to bring him 312 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:52,779 into the fold, 313 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:54,460 trying to, 314 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,424 attract him to the Qatari pipeline instead of 315 00:11:58,424 --> 00:11:59,964 the Russian backed Iranian 316 00:12:00,424 --> 00:12:01,084 oil pipeline, 317 00:12:01,625 --> 00:12:03,644 which, of course, he turned down in 2009. 318 00:12:04,504 --> 00:12:07,164 And and from then on, basically, the insurgence, 319 00:12:07,704 --> 00:12:10,440 against the Syrian government was planned, and the 320 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,480 overthrow was planned because the courting of Assad 321 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,259 didn't work. He wouldn't relinquish, 322 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,300 the Palestinian cause. He wouldn't, 323 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,279 force Hezbollah to leave Syrian territory, where many 324 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:23,820 of them had established themselves 325 00:12:24,514 --> 00:12:25,014 after 326 00:12:25,715 --> 00:12:27,014 the Nakba in 1948 327 00:12:27,394 --> 00:12:27,894 when 328 00:12:28,355 --> 00:12:28,855 750,000 329 00:12:30,195 --> 00:12:32,695 plus Palestinians were ethnically cleansed 330 00:12:33,315 --> 00:12:34,375 by the Zionists. 331 00:12:36,529 --> 00:12:37,350 And so therefore, 332 00:12:37,730 --> 00:12:40,450 the regime change war began on behalf of 333 00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:44,389 Israel, and Israel has consistently provided weapons 334 00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:46,549 to the armed groups. It's provided 335 00:12:47,570 --> 00:12:49,889 medical treatment to the armed groups. I even 336 00:12:49,889 --> 00:12:50,950 went to the south 337 00:12:51,330 --> 00:12:52,149 and saw, 338 00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:55,295 when it was basically liberated and saw the 339 00:12:55,295 --> 00:12:57,455 hospitals that Israel had built on the border 340 00:12:57,455 --> 00:13:00,175 to treat the armed groups. Those hospitals were 341 00:13:00,175 --> 00:13:01,075 then dismantled, 342 00:13:01,695 --> 00:13:04,514 but strewn all over the ground was Israeli, 343 00:13:05,134 --> 00:13:06,195 labeled pharmaceuticals 344 00:13:06,894 --> 00:13:07,554 and equipment, 345 00:13:08,529 --> 00:13:10,850 that had been left behind in in the 346 00:13:10,850 --> 00:13:12,710 rush to sort of get out of there. 347 00:13:13,490 --> 00:13:15,830 So Israel has, from the beginning, supported 348 00:13:16,289 --> 00:13:17,269 the destabilization 349 00:13:18,129 --> 00:13:19,190 and the partitioning 350 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:20,789 of Syria, 351 00:13:21,570 --> 00:13:23,269 and therefore, of course, it supported 352 00:13:24,134 --> 00:13:27,274 the Kurdish separatist settlement in the northeast. 353 00:13:27,654 --> 00:13:28,154 Because 354 00:13:28,535 --> 00:13:30,215 if you look at the map of greater 355 00:13:30,215 --> 00:13:32,535 Israel, and people may not be aware of 356 00:13:32,535 --> 00:13:33,995 what this means, but effectively, 357 00:13:35,014 --> 00:13:37,035 the Zionist movement has always 358 00:13:37,815 --> 00:13:38,315 historically 359 00:13:38,695 --> 00:13:39,195 been 360 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:40,990 an expansionist movement, 361 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:43,769 and it has always perceived I mean, we're 362 00:13:43,769 --> 00:13:45,710 we're seeing a lot more of that language 363 00:13:45,769 --> 00:13:48,350 now from Smotrich and Ben Gavir 364 00:13:48,809 --> 00:13:49,950 that they believe 365 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:51,870 it is their historical 366 00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:54,295 and religious right 367 00:13:55,075 --> 00:13:56,774 to expand their territory 368 00:13:57,154 --> 00:14:00,295 into 3 quarters of Syria, leaving the northeastern 369 00:14:00,754 --> 00:14:03,795 section, which of course then explains why the 370 00:14:03,795 --> 00:14:06,054 US and the Kurds are occupying the territory 371 00:14:07,089 --> 00:14:08,629 east of the Euphrates, 372 00:14:09,970 --> 00:14:11,509 Jordan, Saudi Arabia, 373 00:14:12,049 --> 00:14:12,549 Iraq, 374 00:14:13,730 --> 00:14:16,470 sections of Turkey even, I believe, 375 00:14:17,889 --> 00:14:18,529 will become 376 00:14:19,095 --> 00:14:21,814 and, of course, Lebanon and and Palestine, that 377 00:14:21,814 --> 00:14:22,875 goes without saying, 378 00:14:24,054 --> 00:14:26,154 will become greater Israel. 379 00:14:26,615 --> 00:14:28,855 And so therefore, what you know, in my 380 00:14:28,855 --> 00:14:31,034 opinion, what we are seeing now 381 00:14:31,649 --> 00:14:33,750 is the attempted realization 382 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:38,049 of this project to effectively take control of 383 00:14:38,049 --> 00:14:38,789 all territories. 384 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:42,769 In Palestine, that's definitely what we're seeing. We'll 385 00:14:42,769 --> 00:14:44,929 talk about what's going on in Gaza with 386 00:14:44,929 --> 00:14:45,429 the 387 00:14:45,785 --> 00:14:48,665 separation of the north from the central and 388 00:14:48,665 --> 00:14:49,165 southern, 389 00:14:50,024 --> 00:14:52,904 parts of the strip because that's that's an 390 00:14:52,904 --> 00:14:53,805 aerial churron, 391 00:14:54,345 --> 00:14:55,805 5 fingers planned project 392 00:14:56,345 --> 00:14:58,205 that is now being kind of 393 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:00,524 reintroduced, in my opinion. 394 00:15:01,289 --> 00:15:03,370 And then, of course, Lebanon, what's going on 395 00:15:03,370 --> 00:15:05,610 in in Lebanon. It's not only a war 396 00:15:05,610 --> 00:15:09,289 against Hezbollah, it's a war to recapture the 397 00:15:09,289 --> 00:15:11,870 territory that they lost in 2,000 and 2,006, 398 00:15:12,904 --> 00:15:15,004 and in my opinion, to take control, 399 00:15:16,024 --> 00:15:17,325 of Lebanon entirely 400 00:15:18,184 --> 00:15:19,725 and then to expand, 401 00:15:20,504 --> 00:15:21,004 into 402 00:15:21,384 --> 00:15:21,884 Syria. 403 00:15:23,225 --> 00:15:24,684 So on the Syrian point, 404 00:15:25,429 --> 00:15:27,350 so you basically as you just described, it 405 00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:29,350 is so this is a war that the 406 00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:31,350 US government and its allies are fighting on 407 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:33,929 behalf of Israel, at least from Israel's perspective, 408 00:15:34,070 --> 00:15:34,889 to to 409 00:15:35,589 --> 00:15:38,009 to see to fruition its greater Israel project. 410 00:15:38,105 --> 00:15:40,445 And so, it the this is a very 411 00:15:40,745 --> 00:15:43,305 easily verifiable reality that it's interesting how few 412 00:15:43,305 --> 00:15:45,465 people actually know this as they're pointing at 413 00:15:45,465 --> 00:15:47,465 all their adversaries saying they want to, you 414 00:15:47,465 --> 00:15:48,985 know, Hamas will take over the world if 415 00:15:48,985 --> 00:15:50,440 we let them out of Gaza. You know, 416 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,679 it's while they're actively doing this or the 417 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:54,519 Azov movement for that matter that they also 418 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:56,279 fund who has the same mentality from a 419 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,679 different perspective. So, that's really fascinating. I think 420 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:00,779 that's important for average people who are just 421 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,019 kind of introduced to this topic to recognize 422 00:16:03,554 --> 00:16:04,995 how the US is being used in that 423 00:16:04,995 --> 00:16:06,835 way. So last point on Syria, unless you 424 00:16:06,835 --> 00:16:08,514 have any other aspects you wanna bring into 425 00:16:08,514 --> 00:16:10,514 it. Sure. How how did how is Russia 426 00:16:10,514 --> 00:16:12,595 playing a factor in this? I guess, and 427 00:16:12,595 --> 00:16:13,735 the main point being, 428 00:16:14,195 --> 00:16:16,919 you know, people often ask why they would 429 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:19,240 allow or Syria wouldn't respond or would continue 430 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:19,899 to allow 431 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,080 these unjustified illegal attacks on Syria with little 432 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,919 response. And if it goes further to the 433 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:26,200 point where you're saying it seems to do, 434 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,639 what you what do you think, in your 435 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:29,659 opinion, would Russia do, if anything? 436 00:16:32,024 --> 00:16:34,024 That's a really good question, and it's one 437 00:16:34,024 --> 00:16:35,804 that I get asked very often. 438 00:16:36,504 --> 00:16:38,184 You know, and and the problem is what 439 00:16:38,184 --> 00:16:40,264 people need to be aware of is that 440 00:16:40,264 --> 00:16:43,144 Zionist media is very good at at planting 441 00:16:43,144 --> 00:16:44,284 the seeds of doubt. 442 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:47,120 Right? Like, recently, there was a report that 443 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,740 the Russians had evacuated 444 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:49,620 their 445 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:50,500 watchtowers 446 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,440 or bases in the south. Now this was 447 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,420 complete nonsense. 448 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,180 What actually was happening 449 00:16:56,654 --> 00:16:57,154 was 450 00:16:57,534 --> 00:17:00,014 one guard was leaving and another was replacing 451 00:17:00,014 --> 00:17:02,014 it. So it had nothing to do with 452 00:17:02,014 --> 00:17:03,315 them actually evacuating. 453 00:17:04,255 --> 00:17:06,515 But the problem is this this gets released 454 00:17:06,575 --> 00:17:07,954 into kind of chosen 455 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:10,609 aligned Arab media, 456 00:17:10,910 --> 00:17:13,549 and then it gets picked up even by 457 00:17:13,549 --> 00:17:16,269 friendly media. And and it before you know 458 00:17:16,269 --> 00:17:18,369 it, everyone's thinking Russia's abandoning 459 00:17:18,830 --> 00:17:21,070 Syria in the south. You know? And the 460 00:17:21,070 --> 00:17:23,789 same thing happened with the air defenses when, 461 00:17:24,855 --> 00:17:26,795 I don't know if you remember, but Russia 462 00:17:27,015 --> 00:17:29,355 removed one air defense system. 463 00:17:30,054 --> 00:17:32,634 I I think it was from near Mesyaf, 464 00:17:32,775 --> 00:17:35,035 so in kind of close to the, 465 00:17:35,654 --> 00:17:36,154 Hama, 466 00:17:36,535 --> 00:17:37,674 Homs area, 467 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:40,820 kind of central western Syria. 468 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,140 But the reality is 469 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,759 they didn't need it in that area anymore, 470 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:47,859 and the chances are I haven't actually verified 471 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,759 yet. But everybody was saying to me, I 472 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:52,340 think we're they're actually gonna update it. 473 00:17:52,714 --> 00:17:55,515 So, again, you know, this rumor that that 474 00:17:55,515 --> 00:17:57,674 that they were sending their air defenses from 475 00:17:57,674 --> 00:17:58,174 Syria, 476 00:17:59,115 --> 00:18:00,095 to Ukraine, 477 00:18:00,394 --> 00:18:03,115 and interestingly, there's another rumor going around today 478 00:18:03,115 --> 00:18:05,295 that's even been picked up by Syrian accounts 479 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,359 saying that, oh god. All the Hezbollah troops 480 00:18:08,899 --> 00:18:10,819 are leaving Syria to go back to Lebanon. 481 00:18:10,819 --> 00:18:11,720 No. They're not. 482 00:18:12,099 --> 00:18:13,640 Or, you know, the 40,000 483 00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:14,759 Yemeni 484 00:18:15,380 --> 00:18:17,700 soldiers that were supposed to have arrived in 485 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:19,779 Syria. And I kept saying to people, how 486 00:18:19,779 --> 00:18:20,679 do you think 487 00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:22,234 40,000 488 00:18:22,775 --> 00:18:24,234 troops are gonna enter 489 00:18:24,694 --> 00:18:26,934 a very, very, very small border crossing at 490 00:18:26,934 --> 00:18:28,775 Al Bukamal that is the only part that 491 00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,855 isn't under the control of the United States 492 00:18:30,855 --> 00:18:32,634 and its various terrorist proxies 493 00:18:33,095 --> 00:18:35,970 and not surveilled well, it is surveilled by 494 00:18:36,049 --> 00:18:39,009 Israel, and Israel regularly bombs this area. How 495 00:18:39,009 --> 00:18:42,049 are 40,000 troops gonna enter this area across 496 00:18:42,049 --> 00:18:43,190 the all of Syria 497 00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:45,109 and go to an area 498 00:18:45,650 --> 00:18:46,549 that is occupied 499 00:18:47,089 --> 00:18:47,829 by Israel? 500 00:18:48,335 --> 00:18:50,275 You know, this is the problem. 501 00:18:51,055 --> 00:18:53,154 These kind of rumors get generated, 502 00:18:55,295 --> 00:18:56,115 and, unfortunately, 503 00:18:58,255 --> 00:19:00,755 people don't engage their own rationale. 504 00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:03,650 Right. You know, if if a trusted account 505 00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:05,809 puts this information out, they're like, oh my 506 00:19:05,809 --> 00:19:07,670 god. For do you know what I mean? 507 00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:08,869 And I'm not criticizing 508 00:19:09,170 --> 00:19:10,309 people for this. 509 00:19:11,410 --> 00:19:14,444 If I'm criticizing anyone, it's those accounts, those 510 00:19:14,605 --> 00:19:17,404 influencer accounts that are putting the information out 511 00:19:17,404 --> 00:19:18,625 without any verification, 512 00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:20,944 without any fact 513 00:19:21,244 --> 00:19:22,304 checking at all. 514 00:19:22,605 --> 00:19:25,085 And people I I genuinely say this from 515 00:19:25,085 --> 00:19:27,404 the heart. People really need to be aware 516 00:19:27,404 --> 00:19:28,065 of this 517 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,119 and to verify information 518 00:19:30,980 --> 00:19:33,559 with trusted sources that are on the ground, 519 00:19:34,339 --> 00:19:35,640 who know exactly 520 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:38,279 what is going on or who can ask. 521 00:19:39,059 --> 00:19:41,160 You know, there's a lot of sensationalism 522 00:19:41,619 --> 00:19:43,400 going on. Sorry. I've kind of 523 00:19:44,714 --> 00:19:47,434 diverged from your actual question. It's it's a 524 00:19:47,434 --> 00:19:48,875 very important point. Go no. Go ahead. I 525 00:19:48,875 --> 00:19:50,474 was gonna comment and we'll keep keep going. 526 00:19:50,474 --> 00:19:52,474 Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, just no. Just 527 00:19:52,474 --> 00:19:54,394 that point is is very important today. And 528 00:19:54,394 --> 00:19:56,154 I think that it it's I would argue, 529 00:19:56,154 --> 00:19:58,075 like, to your point, the the secondary part 530 00:19:58,075 --> 00:19:59,820 is that, you know, it's it's 531 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,960 I think we've been engineered to be in 532 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,799 this position. Twitter files is a great example 533 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:05,720 of how they sort of engineered or, you 534 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,559 know, drove us or a lot of people 535 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:08,059 to 536 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,240 exactly that and take screenshots at face value 537 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,759 because of the the trusted source. And so 538 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:14,255 it kinda kinda and your people to think 539 00:20:14,255 --> 00:20:16,255 that's what you're supposed to do and other 540 00:20:16,255 --> 00:20:18,095 examples of that. And so, yes, we do 541 00:20:18,095 --> 00:20:20,095 need that's what question everything, that's our motto, 542 00:20:20,095 --> 00:20:21,534 is all about. Right? That's how it's always 543 00:20:21,534 --> 00:20:23,294 should have been. It doesn't mean ignore anything, 544 00:20:23,294 --> 00:20:25,154 but just you gotta apply the equal skepticism 545 00:20:25,294 --> 00:20:26,654 even to people you trust because we could 546 00:20:26,654 --> 00:20:28,289 just be wrong. You know? Yeah. And I 547 00:20:28,289 --> 00:20:30,210 I think it's being engineered that way for 548 00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:32,610 very obvious reasons because, as you say, it's 549 00:20:32,610 --> 00:20:35,410 it's a important tactic to dump this kind 550 00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:37,250 of stuff in in a conversation. Like, you 551 00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:39,090 know, Russia's leaving and all of a sudden, 552 00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:41,994 it can ultimately snowball into real world effects 553 00:20:41,994 --> 00:20:44,075 where people then make their choices based on 554 00:20:44,075 --> 00:20:45,595 that being real, and then more people do 555 00:20:45,595 --> 00:20:46,955 leave. And and they know this. You know? 556 00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:48,394 And so it's important right now more than 557 00:20:48,394 --> 00:20:50,475 ever as you're highlighting whether it's Israel or 558 00:20:50,475 --> 00:20:52,315 anybody else. The US government seems to be 559 00:20:52,315 --> 00:20:55,150 the primary. Like, frankly, Israel's propaganda is pretty 560 00:20:55,150 --> 00:20:57,710 weak in most regards. However, affected work that 561 00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:59,970 anybody blows my mind, but the US government 562 00:21:00,110 --> 00:21:02,269 is really good about constantly dumping these things 563 00:21:02,269 --> 00:21:03,650 in the field, and I see the partisan 564 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:05,950 conversation going wild today. So I think it's 565 00:21:05,950 --> 00:21:07,390 a really good point for people to to 566 00:21:07,390 --> 00:21:09,070 resonate on and see how you know, it's 567 00:21:09,070 --> 00:21:11,125 everywhere. It's everywhere. Please continue. Yeah. You know, 568 00:21:11,125 --> 00:21:14,025 just take a deep breath before you before 569 00:21:14,325 --> 00:21:16,105 you share information, basically. 570 00:21:17,365 --> 00:21:20,105 But, coming back to to Russia, 571 00:21:20,644 --> 00:21:21,705 I mean, recently, 572 00:21:22,565 --> 00:21:25,169 there was an attack, which I think was 573 00:21:25,169 --> 00:21:28,289 a combined Israeli terrorist attack. So the terrorists 574 00:21:28,289 --> 00:21:31,730 in Idlib were sending drones, and Israel was 575 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:32,230 attacking, 576 00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:35,190 from the Mediterranean. 577 00:21:35,890 --> 00:21:38,210 Although I have a slight theory on 578 00:21:39,105 --> 00:21:41,345 and and it is totally a theory. It's 579 00:21:41,345 --> 00:21:42,325 totally speculation. 580 00:21:42,704 --> 00:21:43,365 It's just, 581 00:21:43,664 --> 00:21:46,164 you know, NATO has been building up troops 582 00:21:48,065 --> 00:21:50,865 on Cyprus, and Cyprus is very close to 583 00:21:50,865 --> 00:21:53,525 the coastal areas of Syria 584 00:21:54,599 --> 00:21:56,460 because I was really questioning 585 00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:58,460 how is Israel managing 586 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:02,039 to be bombing Gaza, bombing West Bank, bombing 587 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:03,099 Lebanon, bombing 588 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:03,900 Syria, 589 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:06,779 you know, on on multiple occasions 590 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:08,059 simultaneously. 591 00:22:09,894 --> 00:22:12,154 And I I did start to wonder whether 592 00:22:12,454 --> 00:22:15,575 US, UK are actually directly getting involved in 593 00:22:15,575 --> 00:22:19,174 carrying out attacks on behalf of Israel without 594 00:22:19,174 --> 00:22:20,154 admitting it. 595 00:22:20,775 --> 00:22:22,160 That's frightening. Yeah. 596 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:25,359 Because they are obviously in in Yemen. 597 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:28,880 But, anyway so on on during that attack, 598 00:22:29,019 --> 00:22:31,420 there was a warehouse which was attacked very 599 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,500 close to the Khomeini base, which is the 600 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:33,900 Russian 601 00:22:34,539 --> 00:22:36,559 basically, a naval base, but also 602 00:22:36,875 --> 00:22:37,455 a military 603 00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:41,375 base, on the coastal area of Tartus. 604 00:22:42,555 --> 00:22:45,055 And Russian air defenses were engaged. 605 00:22:45,515 --> 00:22:47,674 And I know that immediately after the attack, 606 00:22:47,674 --> 00:22:50,170 which went on for about 2 hours, there 607 00:22:50,170 --> 00:22:52,109 were Russian jets, 608 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:54,109 patrolling the coast, 609 00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:57,470 you know, looking for any enemy 610 00:22:58,089 --> 00:22:58,589 planes. 611 00:22:58,970 --> 00:23:01,529 And what people need to understand, there's 2 612 00:23:01,529 --> 00:23:04,410 things. 1 is Russia respects the sovereignty of 613 00:23:04,410 --> 00:23:04,910 Syria. 614 00:23:05,554 --> 00:23:07,174 So to a large degree, 615 00:23:08,835 --> 00:23:11,954 in collaboration with Damascus, so everything is done 616 00:23:11,954 --> 00:23:14,595 through negotiation with Damascus and discussion at a 617 00:23:14,595 --> 00:23:16,595 military level, at a diplomatic level, at a 618 00:23:16,595 --> 00:23:18,694 political level, at an economic level. 619 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:22,659 Nothing is done without the partnership of Damascus. 620 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,960 So in my opinion, yeah, you know, Russia 621 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,779 has a policy 622 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,880 that the Syrian air defense is actually very 623 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,339 capable of bringing down 624 00:23:32,954 --> 00:23:34,894 the majority of the Israeli missiles. 625 00:23:35,994 --> 00:23:37,694 And so it's hands off, 626 00:23:38,075 --> 00:23:39,914 you know, but at the same time, they 627 00:23:39,914 --> 00:23:42,554 are helping behind the scenes to develop the 628 00:23:42,554 --> 00:23:45,054 equipment that, Syria has, 629 00:23:45,549 --> 00:23:46,289 to provide 630 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:48,529 updated equipment, etcetera. 631 00:23:48,990 --> 00:23:51,490 And on multiple occasions, they have buzzed, 632 00:23:52,269 --> 00:23:55,329 American and Israeli planes or drones, 633 00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:57,970 or they brought down American drones, 634 00:23:58,404 --> 00:24:01,384 but out of Syrian airspace. So they have, 635 00:24:03,125 --> 00:24:05,125 a kind of very low key role, and 636 00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:07,444 one thing Russia is very, very bad at 637 00:24:07,444 --> 00:24:09,924 is self publicity. It doesn't do it, and 638 00:24:09,924 --> 00:24:12,585 I don't understand why not. It doesn't understand 639 00:24:12,644 --> 00:24:13,384 the importance 640 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840 of altering people's perceptions. It really doesn't. It's 641 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,240 it's really bad at this. It's an interesting 642 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,599 point though in in this day and age. 643 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:23,440 Like, I've always seen you know, I do 644 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,799 my best to try to keep it as 645 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:26,960 a, you know, I I think I I 646 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,795 have a I've I'm anti government, let's put 647 00:24:28,795 --> 00:24:29,795 it that way. So I have a hard 648 00:24:29,795 --> 00:24:30,835 time I don't see it as good guy, 649 00:24:30,835 --> 00:24:32,035 bad guy. You know? But I I I 650 00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:34,275 see at the same time, though, that he 651 00:24:34,515 --> 00:24:36,914 Putin in particular, their government's actions in general 652 00:24:36,914 --> 00:24:39,975 have consistently shown themselves to be very strategic, 653 00:24:40,289 --> 00:24:42,450 very measured. You know, they're not responding to 654 00:24:42,450 --> 00:24:44,369 all of the clumsy, belligerent actions of what 655 00:24:44,369 --> 00:24:46,210 we've been seeing from our policy. You know, 656 00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:48,049 I really and I see that constantly. And 657 00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:49,890 so to me, I would almost reflect on 658 00:24:49,890 --> 00:24:53,144 that as recognizing where we are today. What 659 00:24:53,144 --> 00:24:54,345 you because you come out and you say 660 00:24:54,345 --> 00:24:56,265 something about yourself, it's it almost gets perceived 661 00:24:56,265 --> 00:24:57,945 as the opposite by people who are already 662 00:24:57,945 --> 00:24:59,865 been kind of seeded against you in certain 663 00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:01,305 perspective. Like, I almost see in a way 664 00:25:01,305 --> 00:25:02,744 that if you don't do it, people then 665 00:25:02,744 --> 00:25:04,345 see that as a positive. I guess that 666 00:25:04,345 --> 00:25:06,150 would just be my first you know, I 667 00:25:06,309 --> 00:25:07,430 guess what I'm saying in the larger sense 668 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:08,710 is that Russia has shown itself to be 669 00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:10,309 so strategic in these ways that it doesn't 670 00:25:10,309 --> 00:25:12,230 fall into these traps and in a way 671 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:14,390 thinking 2 steps ahead when the US and 672 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:16,070 Israel are sort of reacting to everything that's 673 00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:17,190 happening. And I would see that in that 674 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:18,470 kind of line. You know? Do you think 675 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:19,484 that makes sense at all? 676 00:25:20,204 --> 00:25:22,464 Yeah. And I think, you know, what people 677 00:25:22,684 --> 00:25:23,184 maybe 678 00:25:23,964 --> 00:25:24,464 miss 679 00:25:24,845 --> 00:25:25,505 is that, 680 00:25:26,045 --> 00:25:27,424 yeah. You know, I understand 681 00:25:28,045 --> 00:25:29,265 being against government. 682 00:25:30,045 --> 00:25:32,845 But the fact is that in when you 683 00:25:32,845 --> 00:25:35,265 pivot east, you do have real statesmen 684 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:36,359 and women. 685 00:25:37,059 --> 00:25:39,460 You do have real spokespeople. We used to 686 00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:40,519 have them in the last, 687 00:25:41,460 --> 00:25:42,359 but I mean, 688 00:25:42,819 --> 00:25:44,039 I I can't pinpoint 689 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,279 at at which point it just deteriorated 690 00:25:46,659 --> 00:25:48,279 into clown land, basically. 691 00:25:49,075 --> 00:25:51,015 I could put it give a good guess. 692 00:25:51,475 --> 00:25:51,975 Yeah. 693 00:25:54,275 --> 00:25:56,195 But, you know, sure, we don't we don't 694 00:25:56,195 --> 00:25:58,775 have whether you agree with them or not. 695 00:25:59,154 --> 00:26:00,855 You know, I remember watching 696 00:26:01,330 --> 00:26:02,950 Tony Ban and and, 697 00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:06,690 Heath and people under Ghoul and Chirac, but 698 00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:08,850 but you didn't have to agree with them, 699 00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:10,309 but at least they were statesmen. 700 00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:13,269 Yeah. At least they had opinions. 701 00:26:13,904 --> 00:26:15,744 You know? And, well, you can see the 702 00:26:15,744 --> 00:26:18,144 hand behind them kind of Right. Well, it's 703 00:26:18,144 --> 00:26:19,904 kinda my point about Russia in general is 704 00:26:19,904 --> 00:26:21,105 that, you know, it doesn't it it it 705 00:26:21,424 --> 00:26:23,525 you you can praise the action 706 00:26:23,904 --> 00:26:26,164 and the statement state statemanship 707 00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:28,519 That's the word. You know, in in in 708 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:30,519 without it being, like, they're the good guy 709 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:31,640 versus the bad guy. I just think it's 710 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,160 important to keep it out of that from 711 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,160 a journalistic perspective, which, you know so I 712 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,359 agree with you, though. And I think that 713 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,519 they've represented themselves. You know, it's always the 714 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:40,279 question of whether these are actions from a 715 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,515 government that are, you know, like, reading the 716 00:26:42,515 --> 00:26:45,075 room. Anybody that's aware to concede the belligerence 717 00:26:45,075 --> 00:26:47,474 of the US government is it could maybe 718 00:26:47,474 --> 00:26:49,315 they're acting in good intention for their people 719 00:26:49,315 --> 00:26:51,394 or they recognize that it's advantageous to play 720 00:26:51,394 --> 00:26:52,835 that role. Either way, it's a positive thing. 721 00:26:52,835 --> 00:26:54,275 They're they're doing the right thing as it 722 00:26:54,275 --> 00:26:55,919 were. You know? So I I think that's 723 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:57,519 important to see. And I think that what 724 00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:59,759 we're what the reactions are in my opinion 725 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:01,279 would be that it's, you know, why come 726 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,519 out with all of the showmanship when I 727 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,519 feel like I sense too that nobody buys 728 00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:07,679 it anymore? Everybody leans into it because they 729 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:09,815 have an agenda or they're, you know, hate 730 00:27:09,815 --> 00:27:11,255 the other side, and then everybody else is 731 00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:12,934 kinda like, they're all lying. You know? That's 732 00:27:12,934 --> 00:27:14,535 the sense I get today. That that's, anyway, 733 00:27:14,535 --> 00:27:15,974 how I would read it. Yeah. No. No. 734 00:27:15,974 --> 00:27:17,835 It's true. So I think, you know, 735 00:27:20,454 --> 00:27:22,855 Russia is is very aware of what's going 736 00:27:22,855 --> 00:27:23,914 on, and, of course, 737 00:27:24,589 --> 00:27:27,470 it has vested interest in Syria. So it's 738 00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:28,849 in Russia's interest 739 00:27:30,109 --> 00:27:30,769 to eventually 740 00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:32,210 defend 741 00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:34,450 their interest in Syria. 742 00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:36,509 And I think now what what we are 743 00:27:36,509 --> 00:27:37,970 seeing is a kind of 744 00:27:39,255 --> 00:27:41,654 a diffusing of the the borders between the 745 00:27:41,654 --> 00:27:42,154 wars. 746 00:27:42,535 --> 00:27:44,154 So now you've got Ukrainian 747 00:27:44,455 --> 00:27:48,475 advisers, military advisers coming into Idlib to train, 748 00:27:49,414 --> 00:27:51,880 you know, the Al Qaeda forces there. They've 749 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,059 also been in the northeast 750 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,259 according to, 751 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,980 reports about a year ago, I think, 752 00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,819 again, to try and 753 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,980 work with the Kurdish 754 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:03,660 separatists there. 755 00:28:04,024 --> 00:28:06,265 And that's under the auspices of the US, 756 00:28:06,265 --> 00:28:07,944 of course, and the UK and then, you 757 00:28:07,944 --> 00:28:11,644 know, that entire kind of alliance of regime 758 00:28:11,784 --> 00:28:12,284 change. 759 00:28:13,704 --> 00:28:16,505 And so so the war from Ukraine is, 760 00:28:16,505 --> 00:28:17,644 if you like, now 761 00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:21,409 it had already been low key spilling into 762 00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:24,130 Syria because there were so many mercenaries, both 763 00:28:24,130 --> 00:28:25,669 foreign mercenaries and 764 00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:30,049 terrorist mercenaries going from Syria to fight in 765 00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:31,829 Ukraine because the money's better. 766 00:28:33,095 --> 00:28:35,414 But but now you've you've got Ukraine coming 767 00:28:35,414 --> 00:28:39,595 into Syria training, providing weapons, providing technology, providing 768 00:28:39,654 --> 00:28:42,555 equipment. I mean, the latest kind of PR 769 00:28:43,575 --> 00:28:45,515 video put out by the 770 00:28:45,929 --> 00:28:49,589 armed groups in Idlib just looks like Ukraine. 771 00:28:49,609 --> 00:28:50,909 You know, from the uniforms 772 00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:53,230 to to the weapons to the training, 773 00:28:53,769 --> 00:28:55,369 and I think to the ISIS tactics and 774 00:28:55,369 --> 00:28:57,210 to capture on the videos? Yeah. No. They've 775 00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:59,529 all got kind of different colored bandanas on 776 00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,515 to make them look so as if they're 777 00:29:01,674 --> 00:29:02,974 Al Qaeda. I 778 00:29:03,515 --> 00:29:05,434 mean, it, you know, it it really does 779 00:29:05,434 --> 00:29:05,934 become 780 00:29:06,394 --> 00:29:08,394 I've I've seen in the I've seen at 781 00:29:08,394 --> 00:29:10,634 least 4 videos where and, like, on like, 782 00:29:10,634 --> 00:29:11,994 there's even one I'm sure you've seen the 783 00:29:11,994 --> 00:29:13,674 CNN one where they even eventually blurted out 784 00:29:13,674 --> 00:29:15,410 where the guy's doing a sig aisle in 785 00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:16,529 the middle of the street. But you can 786 00:29:16,529 --> 00:29:18,609 see, like, ISIS patches, and it's very real. 787 00:29:18,609 --> 00:29:19,809 You're catching them all over the place. You 788 00:29:19,809 --> 00:29:22,450 know? Like so what what how what just 789 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:24,369 on a quick before we jump into Gaza, 790 00:29:24,369 --> 00:29:26,130 how is that not regarded as the world 791 00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:28,625 war? Just as an interesting ridiculous point. Like, 792 00:29:28,625 --> 00:29:30,384 any other metric in the past we've ever 793 00:29:30,384 --> 00:29:32,565 argued 1, World War 1, World War 2, 794 00:29:32,625 --> 00:29:34,944 like, the you're just describing the bleed over 795 00:29:34,944 --> 00:29:36,545 on these this is we're in the midst 796 00:29:36,545 --> 00:29:37,664 of World War 3. I mean, that's not 797 00:29:37,664 --> 00:29:39,025 meant to be like a we should all 798 00:29:39,025 --> 00:29:40,384 be scared. I mean, there are reason to 799 00:29:40,384 --> 00:29:42,210 be concerned, obviously, but I just I think 800 00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:43,809 we should acknowledge that that's not some kind 801 00:29:43,809 --> 00:29:45,250 of line that's about to be crossed. That's 802 00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:46,609 been going on for a long time. Would 803 00:29:46,609 --> 00:29:48,529 you agree with that? No. No. It's, yeah. 804 00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:50,450 I mean, it's it's really been going on 805 00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:52,470 for a long time even before Ukraine. 806 00:29:52,769 --> 00:29:54,849 Because if you imagine all the players that 807 00:29:54,849 --> 00:29:56,549 were fighting each other in Syria. 808 00:29:56,965 --> 00:29:59,525 Exactly. Right? I mean, Iran, you had China, 809 00:29:59,525 --> 00:30:01,785 you had you have still 810 00:30:02,244 --> 00:30:02,744 Russia, 811 00:30:03,045 --> 00:30:05,205 you have the Gulf States, you have Israel, 812 00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:07,465 you have the US, the UK, the EU. 813 00:30:07,684 --> 00:30:09,765 I mean, it's endless. What was it? I 814 00:30:09,765 --> 00:30:10,265 mean, 815 00:30:11,205 --> 00:30:12,265 tens of countries 816 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,200 involved in in the regime change war against 817 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,599 Syria. It was insane. I know. It shows 818 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,220 you absolutely as already. 819 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,419 Yeah. That was a a sort of 820 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,779 low intensity 821 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,720 world war already. That's before you brought Ukraine 822 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,545 in and and the threats against China, 823 00:30:29,884 --> 00:30:32,065 and now, of course, the ramping up of 824 00:30:32,125 --> 00:30:33,505 rhetoric against Iran. 825 00:30:34,285 --> 00:30:35,265 Israel's preparing 826 00:30:35,805 --> 00:30:36,285 to, 827 00:30:36,765 --> 00:30:37,265 retaliate, 828 00:30:37,644 --> 00:30:38,144 although, 829 00:30:38,525 --> 00:30:41,345 you know, under international law, Iran retaliated 830 00:30:42,539 --> 00:30:45,340 for the attacks that Israel carried out in 831 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,140 against the embassy here in Damascus, which, by 832 00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:50,220 the way, killed a number of civilians and 833 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:51,840 injured many others, including 834 00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:53,440 2 friends of mine. 835 00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:54,640 And and, 836 00:30:55,705 --> 00:30:57,005 and then the assassination 837 00:30:57,305 --> 00:30:59,565 of Ishmael Haniya in Tehran. 838 00:31:00,184 --> 00:31:02,424 So, you know, no one ever says to 839 00:31:02,424 --> 00:31:03,725 Israel, can you stop? 840 00:31:04,424 --> 00:31:04,924 Right. 841 00:31:05,305 --> 00:31:06,125 You know, the 842 00:31:06,505 --> 00:31:09,164 the the messaging always goes out to Iran 843 00:31:09,225 --> 00:31:13,250 or to Yemen or to, Lebanon. Please don't 844 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:15,889 retaliate. Don't do anything. Just let Israel come 845 00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:16,389 in, 846 00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:17,750 steal your territory, 847 00:31:18,929 --> 00:31:21,809 bomb your homes, kill your civilians, massacre your 848 00:31:21,809 --> 00:31:24,474 children, burn them alive, but, you know, please 849 00:31:24,474 --> 00:31:26,315 don't do anything about it. Just let them 850 00:31:26,315 --> 00:31:27,294 get on with it. 851 00:31:27,674 --> 00:31:29,054 Well, I mean, there's no way to misunderstand 852 00:31:29,194 --> 00:31:30,875 how they present this every time. It's, you 853 00:31:30,875 --> 00:31:31,694 know, immediately, 854 00:31:32,075 --> 00:31:33,355 you know, how dare you don't you know, 855 00:31:33,355 --> 00:31:34,875 everyone has got a right to defend themselves 856 00:31:34,875 --> 00:31:36,394 in the moment. It's their turn. No. Don't. 857 00:31:36,394 --> 00:31:37,914 You better not. Or now you're terrorists. Yeah. 858 00:31:37,914 --> 00:31:39,819 Yeah. You know, even even when confronted with 859 00:31:39,819 --> 00:31:40,880 this multiple times, 860 00:31:41,259 --> 00:31:42,619 I think it might have been Brent Thacker, 861 00:31:42,619 --> 00:31:44,059 forget who it was in the state department. 862 00:31:44,059 --> 00:31:45,419 But Matt Miller put to it, you know, 863 00:31:45,419 --> 00:31:46,700 well, does a wrong thing have a right 864 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:48,960 to defend itself? And the way that they 865 00:31:49,179 --> 00:31:51,339 so clumsily try to avoid the car and 866 00:31:51,339 --> 00:31:53,099 eventually even get put to it and make 867 00:31:53,099 --> 00:31:54,724 the point that, no, they really don't because 868 00:31:54,724 --> 00:31:56,404 they're terrorists. That might have been, 869 00:31:57,204 --> 00:31:58,724 I forget his name now. The Indian guy. 870 00:31:58,724 --> 00:31:59,704 I forget his name. 871 00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:00,644 What what did they 872 00:32:01,524 --> 00:32:03,845 No. What happened? Kirby. No. The other the 873 00:32:03,845 --> 00:32:05,845 other state department guy. But either way, the 874 00:32:05,845 --> 00:32:06,825 point is basically 875 00:32:07,204 --> 00:32:07,704 Yeah. 876 00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:10,029 That that basically, they just they they they 877 00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:11,950 get when get cornered because of the way 878 00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:13,230 the this is what I love about some 879 00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:14,429 of the people in that room these days. 880 00:32:14,429 --> 00:32:15,789 So they really are doing a good job 881 00:32:15,789 --> 00:32:17,869 trying to, like, use they corner them logically. 882 00:32:17,869 --> 00:32:19,470 Right? Then you kinda get screwed, and they 883 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:20,829 have to argue that, well, they don't have 884 00:32:20,829 --> 00:32:22,829 a right to defend themselves because they're terrorists. 885 00:32:22,829 --> 00:32:24,125 And then it comes back to the idea 886 00:32:24,125 --> 00:32:26,125 that then you just get to arbitrarily name 887 00:32:26,125 --> 00:32:28,204 people terrorists. You know? So let let let's 888 00:32:28,204 --> 00:32:30,125 bring this into Gaza because I think this 889 00:32:30,125 --> 00:32:30,784 is obviously, 890 00:32:31,164 --> 00:32:32,924 at least from the world perspective, but I 891 00:32:32,924 --> 00:32:34,764 would agree it is a central kind of 892 00:32:34,764 --> 00:32:36,684 linchpin to a lot of what's happening from 893 00:32:36,684 --> 00:32:38,605 Israel's perspective, from the way the US is 894 00:32:38,605 --> 00:32:39,105 involved. 895 00:32:39,539 --> 00:32:41,140 So what I guess, let's just start with 896 00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:42,660 where with the current updates. I think my 897 00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:45,460 audience is very involved and aware of what's 898 00:32:45,460 --> 00:32:48,340 been going on, you know, for 76 years 899 00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:50,740 in general, but since October 7th. So, you 900 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:52,019 know, what what do you wanna get into 901 00:32:52,019 --> 00:32:53,954 with Gaza? You started with the partition plan. 902 00:32:54,034 --> 00:32:55,875 We can talk about that and the kind 903 00:32:55,875 --> 00:32:58,355 of about to be retaken. It's always been 904 00:32:58,355 --> 00:33:00,434 occupied, but that whole effort, the surrender or 905 00:33:00,434 --> 00:33:02,115 starve plan, go ahead and start wherever you'd 906 00:33:02,115 --> 00:33:02,615 like. 907 00:33:03,394 --> 00:33:04,914 Mhmm. Well, I mean, I think no. It's 908 00:33:04,914 --> 00:33:08,134 it's becoming increasingly clear that, you know, Netanyahu's 909 00:33:08,515 --> 00:33:09,734 dystopian plan 910 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:10,900 for Gaza, 911 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:14,419 that I wrote about and spoke about extensively, 912 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:18,240 they are still on track for this, you 913 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,740 know. 914 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,919 And many people kind of dismissed it as 915 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,559 it was just, you know, a totally out 916 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:25,380 there concept. 917 00:33:26,214 --> 00:33:28,214 But the reality is what you're seeing now 918 00:33:28,214 --> 00:33:28,954 with this 919 00:33:29,335 --> 00:33:29,835 partitioning 920 00:33:30,294 --> 00:33:33,115 off of the north in Jabaliya, 921 00:33:33,494 --> 00:33:34,154 for example, 922 00:33:35,414 --> 00:33:37,434 and the usage of the, 923 00:33:38,769 --> 00:33:40,869 god, my mind's just gone blank, the Netvareem 924 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:41,750 Netvareem 925 00:33:42,369 --> 00:33:42,769 Mhmm. 926 00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:44,950 Corridor, which which transverses, 927 00:33:48,369 --> 00:33:49,910 wait, east to west, 928 00:33:52,904 --> 00:33:54,924 is basically being reestablished 929 00:33:55,545 --> 00:33:56,045 as 930 00:33:56,505 --> 00:33:58,285 the kind of hideous 931 00:33:59,225 --> 00:34:01,465 divide between north and south that it always 932 00:34:01,465 --> 00:34:03,785 used to be, where there were checkpoints and 933 00:34:03,785 --> 00:34:04,924 and there were daily, 934 00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:08,570 you know, abuse and and murder of Palestinians 935 00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:10,869 trying to cross from the south to the 936 00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:12,250 north. This was when, 937 00:34:12,789 --> 00:34:15,430 there were settlers still inside Gaza, of course, 938 00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:15,930 before, 939 00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:18,809 Ariel Sharon withdrew them all. 940 00:34:19,704 --> 00:34:22,664 And now Ariel Sharon had an original plan 941 00:34:22,664 --> 00:34:25,405 for Gaza, which was to divide it into 942 00:34:25,625 --> 00:34:27,864 5 fingers, he called it. It was known 943 00:34:27,864 --> 00:34:29,244 as the 5 finger plan. 944 00:34:29,545 --> 00:34:31,625 So he was gonna divide it into 5 945 00:34:31,625 --> 00:34:32,125 cantons, 946 00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:36,010 where the Palestinians that were living there were 947 00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:37,389 totally under control 948 00:34:38,489 --> 00:34:38,989 of 949 00:34:39,369 --> 00:34:40,109 the settlers, 950 00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:43,130 the armed settlers as we know, the ISIS 951 00:34:43,130 --> 00:34:44,590 settlers as they call them, 952 00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:46,030 and 953 00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:47,949 the Zionist military. 954 00:34:48,554 --> 00:34:51,534 Now, of course, the plan has evolved into 955 00:34:52,074 --> 00:34:52,815 the cantons 956 00:34:53,675 --> 00:34:54,175 will 957 00:34:54,635 --> 00:34:56,974 be created. Everything will be destroyed 958 00:34:57,275 --> 00:34:57,775 inside 959 00:34:58,394 --> 00:35:00,714 those cantons, and the Palestinians that want to 960 00:35:00,714 --> 00:35:02,815 remain will be put into what are effectively 961 00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:05,530 mini Gaza's closed settlements 962 00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:08,570 under the control of what, 963 00:35:08,869 --> 00:35:11,829 the plan has described as an Arab army. 964 00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:12,329 So 965 00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:14,010 you're talking about UAE, 966 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:16,869 Jordan. I mean, they're all denying it at 967 00:35:16,869 --> 00:35:18,469 the moment. They're all kind of saying no 968 00:35:18,469 --> 00:35:19,364 no No. No. No. 969 00:35:20,305 --> 00:35:22,465 But I think it was UAE that came 970 00:35:22,465 --> 00:35:23,985 forward and kind of said, well, they might 971 00:35:23,985 --> 00:35:25,605 consider it now. So, you know, 972 00:35:26,065 --> 00:35:27,204 this is just rhetoric. 973 00:35:27,985 --> 00:35:30,465 These kind of denials mean nothing to me 974 00:35:30,465 --> 00:35:32,625 because these people are on board. These countries 975 00:35:32,625 --> 00:35:34,920 are on board. These leaderships are on board. 976 00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:37,699 The Abraham Accords that were brought in under, 977 00:35:38,099 --> 00:35:39,400 president Trump's administration 978 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:41,239 were effectively 979 00:35:42,179 --> 00:35:45,880 a continuation of the Oslo agreements, which totally 980 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:46,440 depoliticized 981 00:35:47,835 --> 00:35:49,695 the Palestinian cause, enabled 982 00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:51,934 further theft of Palestinian 983 00:35:53,034 --> 00:35:53,534 territory, 984 00:35:53,914 --> 00:35:56,234 and what the Abraham Accords did, of course, 985 00:35:56,234 --> 00:35:57,054 is to 986 00:35:57,994 --> 00:35:58,494 normalize 987 00:35:58,795 --> 00:35:59,295 relations 988 00:35:59,914 --> 00:36:00,414 with 989 00:36:01,114 --> 00:36:01,614 UAE, 990 00:36:02,489 --> 00:36:03,309 Bahrain, Morocco. 991 00:36:04,570 --> 00:36:07,130 Egypt had already done that under Sadat back 992 00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:09,369 in 79 with the Camp David agreement. I 993 00:36:09,369 --> 00:36:11,849 mean, Egypt's another thing altogether. I call it 994 00:36:11,849 --> 00:36:14,489 the Ukraine of West Asia. It's completely sold 995 00:36:14,489 --> 00:36:17,050 out. It's it's not a sovereign country anymore 996 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:17,869 in my opinion. 997 00:36:18,295 --> 00:36:20,534 It's people sort of recognize that. Would you 998 00:36:20,534 --> 00:36:21,735 would you see would you think that's the 999 00:36:21,735 --> 00:36:22,474 case, Lisa? 1000 00:36:23,335 --> 00:36:24,635 Yeah. I mean, I think 1001 00:36:24,934 --> 00:36:25,675 this is 1002 00:36:26,295 --> 00:36:28,855 a big danger for Israel because the people 1003 00:36:28,855 --> 00:36:29,835 in these countries 1004 00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:33,039 are really angry now. 1005 00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:34,239 Right. Because 1006 00:36:34,539 --> 00:36:37,099 even though they may not necessarily be, for 1007 00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:39,679 example, pro Hamas or or pro 1008 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:41,360 elements of the resistance, 1009 00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:43,920 like, they've been brainwashed interfering 1010 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:45,519 Iran's expansionism, 1011 00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:47,525 for example, and the threat 1012 00:36:47,824 --> 00:36:49,744 of Shia Islam. But what they are now 1013 00:36:49,744 --> 00:36:50,244 seeing 1014 00:36:50,545 --> 00:36:51,444 is a normalization 1015 00:36:52,304 --> 00:36:54,704 with an entity that is carrying out an 1016 00:36:54,704 --> 00:36:55,204 hourly, 1017 00:36:55,585 --> 00:36:56,644 minute by minute 1018 00:36:57,585 --> 00:36:58,085 genocide 1019 00:36:58,625 --> 00:37:00,405 in some of the most appalling, 1020 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:01,820 satanic, 1021 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,539 you know, sadistic ways 1022 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,039 possible, and it's doing so with impunity. It's 1023 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:11,340 just nothing is happening. The entire international community 1024 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,980 is is completely powerless 1025 00:37:14,905 --> 00:37:17,565 to prevent this, and we knew this anyway, 1026 00:37:17,704 --> 00:37:19,005 to be honest. I mean, 1027 00:37:19,305 --> 00:37:21,945 anyone that was actually expecting the ICC or 1028 00:37:21,945 --> 00:37:23,644 the ICJ or the UN 1029 00:37:24,025 --> 00:37:26,125 or OCHA or UNRWA to to be 1030 00:37:28,299 --> 00:37:29,119 able to counter this 1031 00:37:30,059 --> 00:37:31,760 or or completely, you know, 1032 00:37:32,139 --> 00:37:33,679 living in another dimension 1033 00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:35,819 because it was obvious they were not gonna 1034 00:37:35,819 --> 00:37:37,199 do anything. The only 1035 00:37:37,659 --> 00:37:39,900 purpose that this might serve is in the 1036 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:40,400 future, 1037 00:37:41,675 --> 00:37:42,175 bringing 1038 00:37:43,034 --> 00:37:46,655 these people, these criminals to justice. That if 1039 00:37:47,914 --> 00:37:48,414 if, 1040 00:37:48,954 --> 00:37:51,034 you know, the right people are in charge 1041 00:37:51,034 --> 00:37:53,614 or and are in control, and that's another 1042 00:37:53,755 --> 00:37:54,255 whole 1043 00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:55,309 question altogether. 1044 00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:57,950 So, basically, you know, 1045 00:37:58,650 --> 00:37:59,869 this is Netanyahu's 1046 00:38:00,329 --> 00:38:00,829 intention, 1047 00:38:01,690 --> 00:38:04,170 and for Gaza. And if you remember at 1048 00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:06,730 the UMGA, he held up the blessings and 1049 00:38:06,730 --> 00:38:08,110 the curse map. 1050 00:38:08,505 --> 00:38:10,984 Mhmm. And you can see clearly there, actually, 1051 00:38:10,984 --> 00:38:13,144 if people didn't understand what the curse was 1052 00:38:13,144 --> 00:38:15,704 exactly, that is greater Israel. So those are 1053 00:38:15,704 --> 00:38:17,964 the countries that that offer an existential 1054 00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:20,684 threat to the existence of Israel. 1055 00:38:21,144 --> 00:38:21,885 The blessing 1056 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:26,250 was the India Middle East economic corridor. So 1057 00:38:26,250 --> 00:38:27,630 going from Mumbai 1058 00:38:27,929 --> 00:38:31,469 through the Gulf States, through Gaza, into Alarish 1059 00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:34,889 in Egypt, and then to Europe. And so 1060 00:38:34,889 --> 00:38:37,210 what Gaza then becomes is a free trade 1061 00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:37,710 zone 1062 00:38:38,244 --> 00:38:40,824 where Israel can use Palestinian gas. 1063 00:38:41,125 --> 00:38:44,105 It can develop industry. It can use Palestinians 1064 00:38:44,244 --> 00:38:46,025 as effectively slave labor. 1065 00:38:46,484 --> 00:38:46,984 Right? 1066 00:38:47,605 --> 00:38:49,304 Those that that remain 1067 00:38:49,605 --> 00:38:52,469 and and agree to give up resistance. And 1068 00:38:52,469 --> 00:38:55,369 people need to understand that Saudi Arabia, UAE, 1069 00:38:55,590 --> 00:38:59,210 Bahrain are now introducing into their educational curriculum, 1070 00:39:00,389 --> 00:39:00,889 normalization 1071 00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:03,449 with the Zionist entity. 1072 00:39:03,909 --> 00:39:04,969 So they're ceasing 1073 00:39:05,815 --> 00:39:06,394 to present, 1074 00:39:07,335 --> 00:39:08,635 any true history 1075 00:39:09,335 --> 00:39:10,074 of Palestine 1076 00:39:10,855 --> 00:39:13,434 right now in in schools, in school curriculum, 1077 00:39:13,655 --> 00:39:16,554 in those normalized countries, which is extraordinary. 1078 00:39:16,934 --> 00:39:18,795 And again, under the Trump administration, 1079 00:39:19,655 --> 00:39:20,155 Netanyahu 1080 00:39:20,535 --> 00:39:21,035 closed 1081 00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:25,190 to public access all the archives relating to 1082 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:25,929 the Nakba. 1083 00:39:26,469 --> 00:39:27,210 He also 1084 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:28,969 brought into the constitution 1085 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:30,250 apartheid. 1086 00:39:30,789 --> 00:39:32,570 He he made it a constitutional, 1087 00:39:33,909 --> 00:39:34,409 law. 1088 00:39:35,175 --> 00:39:38,055 He legalized apartheid, which is just I mean, 1089 00:39:38,055 --> 00:39:40,775 it's absolutely criminal. Apart from everything else that 1090 00:39:40,775 --> 00:39:42,155 Trump did to empower 1091 00:39:43,015 --> 00:39:43,515 Israel, 1092 00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:46,215 that was something, okay, you can argue, well, 1093 00:39:46,215 --> 00:39:48,295 Netanyahu did that. Yes. But he did that. 1094 00:39:48,295 --> 00:39:49,515 You know, you can't 1095 00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:52,200 divide the 2. You can't divide 1096 00:39:52,579 --> 00:39:55,160 Israeli policy from US policy. 1097 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:58,280 It doesn't work because they're running in complete 1098 00:39:58,420 --> 00:39:58,920 parallel. 1099 00:39:59,780 --> 00:40:02,099 So, you know, that's the plan for Gaza. 1100 00:40:02,099 --> 00:40:03,460 And the thing is that a lot of 1101 00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:03,960 people 1102 00:40:04,574 --> 00:40:05,875 try to present Netanyahu 1103 00:40:06,175 --> 00:40:07,155 as some crazy, 1104 00:40:07,934 --> 00:40:08,835 irrational, nihilistic, 1105 00:40:09,454 --> 00:40:10,994 genocidal guy. No. 1106 00:40:11,855 --> 00:40:14,355 This is the strategy. He has the strategy, 1107 00:40:14,974 --> 00:40:17,635 and he's working towards that strategy 1108 00:40:18,734 --> 00:40:19,474 very deliberately. 1109 00:40:20,909 --> 00:40:22,670 And and so this was always I mean, 1110 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:24,429 going back even historically, I mean, as you 1111 00:40:24,429 --> 00:40:26,989 even kinda just briefly mentioned, if and correct 1112 00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:28,750 me if I'm wrong, Gaza was the kind 1113 00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:31,389 of, like, the central hub for for transact 1114 00:40:31,469 --> 00:40:33,650 for, for commerce, I guess, right, historically. 1115 00:40:34,085 --> 00:40:36,324 And that that's correct. Right? The location As 1116 00:40:36,324 --> 00:40:38,484 Palestine as part of Palestine. I'm sorry. I 1117 00:40:38,484 --> 00:40:40,164 said Gaza as Palestine is what I meant 1118 00:40:40,164 --> 00:40:41,605 in general that that was sort of Yeah. 1119 00:40:41,605 --> 00:40:43,684 Yeah. Well, yeah. Because that was the port. 1120 00:40:43,684 --> 00:40:45,844 That was I mean, there are several ports, 1121 00:40:46,164 --> 00:40:48,724 in Palestine, obviously, but but Gaza was a 1122 00:40:48,724 --> 00:40:49,224 main 1123 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,780 terrorist there. 1124 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,160 And this is arguably why, you know, Israel 1125 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,680 is is this is one of those central 1126 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,360 locations. I mean, obviously, a lot more going 1127 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,719 on there, but I just think think about 1128 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,340 that in the larger con conversation. 1129 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,619 And so so 1130 00:41:01,655 --> 00:41:04,614 Gaza is occupied and has been before 2005, 1131 00:41:04,614 --> 00:41:07,355 and it is act after octo after 2005. 1132 00:41:07,655 --> 00:41:09,675 So now what we're seeing is this partition, 1133 00:41:10,135 --> 00:41:12,074 which I mean, it's just on its face 1134 00:41:12,135 --> 00:41:13,114 about repopulating 1135 00:41:14,614 --> 00:41:16,989 that location. So I think what's as I 1136 00:41:16,989 --> 00:41:18,190 was bringing up a second ago in case 1137 00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:20,589 anybody missed it for the podcast, even Haratz 1138 00:41:20,589 --> 00:41:23,069 just posted this on 16th. Netanyahu's Likud party 1139 00:41:23,069 --> 00:41:23,809 issues invitation 1140 00:41:24,509 --> 00:41:27,469 to event titled preparing to settle Gaza. And 1141 00:41:27,469 --> 00:41:28,989 for those that have been following along as 1142 00:41:28,989 --> 00:41:30,734 Arnab Batran is highlighting that we should, you 1143 00:41:30,734 --> 00:41:33,234 know, this this is worthy of ridicule. 1, 1144 00:41:33,295 --> 00:41:35,534 how obvious the contradiction how your governments in 1145 00:41:35,534 --> 00:41:38,174 the world ignore this. The Netanyahu at the 1146 00:41:38,174 --> 00:41:40,335 UN last month, we don't seek to resettle 1147 00:41:40,335 --> 00:41:42,654 Gaza. Now, in congress in July, Israel does 1148 00:41:42,654 --> 00:41:44,255 not seek to resettle Gaza and then today, 1149 00:41:44,255 --> 00:41:46,109 we're seeking to resettle Gaza. The point is 1150 00:41:46,109 --> 00:41:47,670 we should have always seen this coming if 1151 00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:49,750 we're paying attention. As Nas is outlining, this 1152 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:51,670 has been the plan. This is the plan, 1153 00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:54,070 and there's always been, you know, different ways 1154 00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:55,429 they've been trying to achieve it. But so 1155 00:41:55,429 --> 00:41:57,369 bringing this to the part about about 1156 00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:59,835 the right of return and UNRWA and how 1157 00:41:59,914 --> 00:42:01,514 the aid aspect and all these different kind 1158 00:42:01,514 --> 00:42:03,675 of overlapping points to this. You you know, 1159 00:42:03,675 --> 00:42:05,994 can you explain that for for in detail 1160 00:42:05,994 --> 00:42:07,675 for people, like, what we're talking about in 1161 00:42:07,675 --> 00:42:09,835 regard to why the focus of UNRA, why 1162 00:42:09,835 --> 00:42:11,755 that's so important for Israel to get to 1163 00:42:11,755 --> 00:42:13,214 kind of remove from the conversation, 1164 00:42:13,514 --> 00:42:14,900 you know, and the right of return? Can 1165 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,500 you just I guess just briefly, if you 1166 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:17,880 will, just kind of explain that. 1167 00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:20,180 Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, the the 1168 00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:22,680 the right of return is absolutely 1169 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:23,480 criminal. 1170 00:42:24,019 --> 00:42:26,835 I mean, indigenous peoples that were driven out 1171 00:42:26,994 --> 00:42:27,494 from 1172 00:42:27,795 --> 00:42:30,775 their own land and their own homes from 1173 00:42:30,914 --> 00:42:31,734 even before, 1174 00:42:32,914 --> 00:42:35,474 1948. You know, 1948 is known as the 1175 00:42:35,474 --> 00:42:35,974 NACRA 1176 00:42:36,275 --> 00:42:38,214 and the ethnic cleansing catastrophe. 1177 00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:41,190 But, of course, this was ongoing from 1917 1178 00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:44,070 onwards, even earlier to some degree, 1179 00:42:44,769 --> 00:42:45,510 with the, 1180 00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:51,190 you know, the exodus of, Jews, European Jews, 1181 00:42:52,795 --> 00:42:55,614 from Europe for various reasons into 1182 00:42:55,914 --> 00:42:56,414 Palestine, 1183 00:42:57,594 --> 00:42:58,574 and then eventually 1184 00:42:59,755 --> 00:43:00,255 when 1185 00:43:00,715 --> 00:43:01,614 those Palestinians 1186 00:43:02,074 --> 00:43:05,289 were ethnically cleansed from their own lands and 1187 00:43:05,289 --> 00:43:07,449 homes and farms and so on, they were 1188 00:43:07,449 --> 00:43:10,010 given no right to return. No Palestinian has 1189 00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:12,269 the right to return to their own lands, 1190 00:43:12,329 --> 00:43:14,829 but anybody who converts to Judaism 1191 00:43:15,769 --> 00:43:17,550 in any country in the world 1192 00:43:18,085 --> 00:43:21,045 can come to Israel. And actually, just as 1193 00:43:21,045 --> 00:43:23,204 an aside, that is why it's known as 1194 00:43:23,204 --> 00:43:25,385 as a hub for pedophiles 1195 00:43:26,164 --> 00:43:26,664 because, 1196 00:43:27,125 --> 00:43:28,744 people who have faced prosecution 1197 00:43:29,045 --> 00:43:30,965 in the US or in the EU or 1198 00:43:30,965 --> 00:43:32,025 even in the UK 1199 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,619 for pedophilia, for example, or child abuse, 1200 00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,719 have simply converted to Judaism and have been 1201 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,679 happily welcomed into Israel. This is this is 1202 00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:43,940 a known fact. It's a documented fact, 1203 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,179 even by Israeli media. 1204 00:43:46,535 --> 00:43:48,215 You know? I'm I'm not kind of making 1205 00:43:48,215 --> 00:43:50,394 this up. I have written about it extensively. 1206 00:43:52,775 --> 00:43:54,535 And then, sorry, what was the other thing 1207 00:43:54,535 --> 00:43:55,275 you said? 1208 00:43:56,135 --> 00:43:57,575 Oh, so well, just so I've I'll bring 1209 00:43:57,575 --> 00:43:59,175 this up for it's this is important to 1210 00:43:59,175 --> 00:44:00,670 make sure people hear that this is it's 1211 00:44:00,670 --> 00:44:02,849 funny how it's funny, but it's it's frustrating 1212 00:44:02,909 --> 00:44:03,409 how 1213 00:44:04,110 --> 00:44:06,750 very easily proven things even from Israeli media 1214 00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:09,469 can be so shocking, so just blindly dismissed 1215 00:44:09,469 --> 00:44:10,989 by people. And it shows you how controlled 1216 00:44:10,989 --> 00:44:13,230 this conversation is. This for Haaretz, Israel becoming 1217 00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:14,610 a refuge for pedophiles, 1218 00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:17,465 Warren's advocate for child sex abuse victims. But 1219 00:44:17,545 --> 00:44:18,905 so the the other the other the point 1220 00:44:18,905 --> 00:44:20,105 in general is, you know, so the right 1221 00:44:20,105 --> 00:44:20,684 of return 1222 00:44:20,985 --> 00:44:22,905 for Palestinians, the idea is that Oh, and 1223 00:44:22,905 --> 00:44:24,905 unrah, you mentioned. Yeah. Well, just so the 1224 00:44:24,905 --> 00:44:26,905 idea of being any any occupation or any, 1225 00:44:26,905 --> 00:44:29,550 you know, supposed legal ongoing war that people 1226 00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:31,789 can get displaced. And the reality is they're 1227 00:44:31,789 --> 00:44:33,070 supposed to be given the right to come 1228 00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:34,750 back to their homes after that's over, but 1229 00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:37,309 Israel, of course, never gave back the territory 1230 00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:39,789 it occupied. And so where the UNRA was 1231 00:44:39,789 --> 00:44:41,949 created to sort of create to be the 1232 00:44:41,949 --> 00:44:43,789 the keeper of the records, right, to make 1233 00:44:43,789 --> 00:44:45,704 sure that we know who's how as you 1234 00:44:45,704 --> 00:44:47,144 know, some people still have the keys to 1235 00:44:47,144 --> 00:44:49,545 these homes, which, you know, New York people 1236 00:44:49,545 --> 00:44:50,744 from New York are living in, you know, 1237 00:44:50,744 --> 00:44:53,065 in these in these occupied territories. And so 1238 00:44:53,065 --> 00:44:54,265 the the what I want you to kind 1239 00:44:54,265 --> 00:44:55,945 of touch on for me is is the 1240 00:44:55,945 --> 00:44:57,545 interest you know, the importance to that in 1241 00:44:57,545 --> 00:44:59,960 regard to what the Israel is trying to 1242 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,960 accomplish and, you know, like, why they're going 1243 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,239 after UNRWA. And then I was gonna bring 1244 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,920 that into the point about the person you 1245 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,760 mentioned in your in your recent post about 1246 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,280 Sinwar and the and the overlap there. But 1247 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,519 just first, why why are they going after 1248 00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,465 UNRWA? What's the focal point for Israel there? 1249 00:45:12,945 --> 00:45:14,785 Well, I mean, I think basically, you know, 1250 00:45:14,785 --> 00:45:15,684 UNRWA is 1251 00:45:16,065 --> 00:45:16,885 the sole 1252 00:45:17,985 --> 00:45:22,005 refugee agency that is basically providing humanitarian 1253 00:45:22,305 --> 00:45:23,684 aid and assistance, 1254 00:45:24,625 --> 00:45:25,364 to Palestinians 1255 00:45:25,905 --> 00:45:28,244 in the West Bank, in Gaza, 1256 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,639 and also in Lebanon, of course, because people 1257 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,440 forget. I mean, the Burj Barashne camp that 1258 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,679 has recently been bombed by Israel. So yet 1259 00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,119 again, Palestinians are being displaced inside Lebanon, inside 1260 00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:41,339 the refugee camp, 1261 00:45:42,035 --> 00:45:44,614 that is basically taken care of by UNRWA. 1262 00:45:46,195 --> 00:45:48,375 Look, from my perspective, 1263 00:45:49,954 --> 00:45:51,974 UNRWA is still a UN agency. 1264 00:45:52,275 --> 00:45:52,775 Right? 1265 00:45:53,075 --> 00:45:54,914 And I know when I was in Gaza, 1266 00:45:54,914 --> 00:45:56,909 I saw many things that that made me 1267 00:45:56,909 --> 00:45:57,409 question, 1268 00:45:58,510 --> 00:46:00,929 what exactly UNRWA's role was. 1269 00:46:01,389 --> 00:46:05,069 And many people, even since October 7th in 1270 00:46:05,069 --> 00:46:08,050 Gaza, have accused UNRWA of effectively working 1271 00:46:08,945 --> 00:46:11,824 with the Israelis to displace people from one 1272 00:46:11,824 --> 00:46:13,264 area to the next and so on. In 1273 00:46:13,264 --> 00:46:15,045 other words, they've gone along with, 1274 00:46:15,824 --> 00:46:17,844 Israeli policy rather than, 1275 00:46:18,465 --> 00:46:19,284 trying to 1276 00:46:19,664 --> 00:46:20,864 stand against it, 1277 00:46:21,184 --> 00:46:22,724 on behalf of the Palestinians. 1278 00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:25,409 So I do have, you know, I have 1279 00:46:25,409 --> 00:46:28,530 a slightly different perspective on on on UNRWA. 1280 00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:29,989 However, it does employ 1281 00:46:30,369 --> 00:46:33,250 a number of Palestinians both in Gaza and 1282 00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:35,429 the West Bank and and even in Lebanon 1283 00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:36,710 who are responsible 1284 00:46:37,010 --> 00:46:38,630 for their own people within 1285 00:46:39,244 --> 00:46:39,744 those, 1286 00:46:40,445 --> 00:46:42,304 those environments that they're in. 1287 00:46:43,085 --> 00:46:46,125 But Israel's targeting of UNRWA, of course, it 1288 00:46:46,204 --> 00:46:47,505 it's to end 1289 00:46:48,364 --> 00:46:49,664 any kind of, 1290 00:46:50,045 --> 00:46:52,945 UN assistance for the Palestinians. It's to basically 1291 00:46:53,005 --> 00:46:54,545 completely isolate Palestinians 1292 00:46:55,699 --> 00:46:58,359 while Israel is effectively approving, 1293 00:46:58,739 --> 00:47:01,319 I think, it's something like between 709100 1294 00:47:02,019 --> 00:47:04,179 new settlements in the West Bank. And, of 1295 00:47:04,179 --> 00:47:06,199 course, what we're seeing now is them destroying 1296 00:47:06,819 --> 00:47:09,299 the infrastructure in the West Bank. They're bombing 1297 00:47:09,299 --> 00:47:12,464 the West Bank. Right. They're displacing people in 1298 00:47:12,464 --> 00:47:15,585 the West Bank. They're encroaching on land both 1299 00:47:15,585 --> 00:47:18,005 in the West Bank and in the farmlands. 1300 00:47:18,144 --> 00:47:19,284 We're seeing constant, 1301 00:47:20,224 --> 00:47:23,364 footage of settlers coming in and and threatening 1302 00:47:23,425 --> 00:47:26,005 Palestinian farmers, which is what they've always done. 1303 00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:29,029 So they're encroaching further and further onto Palestinian 1304 00:47:29,889 --> 00:47:30,389 territory 1305 00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:33,329 while everyone is, if you like, focused on 1306 00:47:33,329 --> 00:47:34,949 on what's happening in, 1307 00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:37,989 Gaza and in Lebanon and elsewhere. 1308 00:47:38,625 --> 00:47:40,864 And And so in yeah. Sorry. Go on. 1309 00:47:40,864 --> 00:47:42,144 So I was real quick. And and was 1310 00:47:42,144 --> 00:47:43,585 Jordan in all this, seeing as how they 1311 00:47:43,585 --> 00:47:45,585 stood up really early and gave a big 1312 00:47:45,585 --> 00:47:47,265 speech about how you can't cross that line 1313 00:47:47,265 --> 00:47:48,864 to the West Bank, and here we are. 1314 00:47:48,864 --> 00:47:50,385 You know, back to your other point about 1315 00:47:50,385 --> 00:47:51,985 a lot of nice words are being said, 1316 00:47:51,985 --> 00:47:55,150 but no sanctions, no actual action against this. 1317 00:47:55,150 --> 00:47:56,130 You know, it's frustrating. 1318 00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:59,789 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's kind of 1319 00:47:59,869 --> 00:48:01,489 it's horrifying to me 1320 00:48:01,789 --> 00:48:04,510 that that, you know, we as ordinary people 1321 00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:06,605 are being forced. I mean, every day I 1322 00:48:06,605 --> 00:48:08,704 wake up, I don't wanna open my phone. 1323 00:48:09,085 --> 00:48:10,545 Right. You know, I mean, literally, 1324 00:48:10,844 --> 00:48:12,844 the morning that I opened my phone and 1325 00:48:12,844 --> 00:48:15,164 I just saw all these videos of of 1326 00:48:15,164 --> 00:48:18,204 burning human beings, I'm just like, you know, 1327 00:48:18,204 --> 00:48:19,344 what have we become? 1328 00:48:20,699 --> 00:48:22,940 What is happening to this world that this 1329 00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:24,619 is becoming and this is the thing. What 1330 00:48:24,619 --> 00:48:26,719 they are doing, of course, is normalizing 1331 00:48:27,099 --> 00:48:27,599 genocide. 1332 00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:29,119 They're literally 1333 00:48:30,219 --> 00:48:31,440 saturating us. 1334 00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:33,519 All of our 1335 00:48:34,695 --> 00:48:35,195 sensory 1336 00:48:36,135 --> 00:48:36,635 receptors 1337 00:48:36,934 --> 00:48:38,474 are getting completely saturated 1338 00:48:39,175 --> 00:48:41,735 with these images day in, day out, and 1339 00:48:41,735 --> 00:48:44,375 it is literally being normalized because they're doing 1340 00:48:44,375 --> 00:48:45,594 nothing about it. 1341 00:48:47,309 --> 00:48:48,050 It's unreal. 1342 00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:50,930 Yeah. It is. It's really 1343 00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:54,289 it's really frightening for me, actually. 1344 00:48:54,590 --> 00:48:56,450 I mean, it's it's it's hard to say. 1345 00:48:56,590 --> 00:48:58,190 I mean, obviously, at some point, we'll be 1346 00:48:58,190 --> 00:49:00,244 able to see where you know, how whether 1347 00:49:00,244 --> 00:49:01,925 whether this paper's down or whatever ends up 1348 00:49:01,925 --> 00:49:04,005 happening, we'll be able to see, you know, 1349 00:49:04,005 --> 00:49:06,005 what the consequences were here. But it's hard 1350 00:49:06,005 --> 00:49:07,845 to say whether this will be I mean, 1351 00:49:07,845 --> 00:49:09,845 obviously, the the one you know, at least 1352 00:49:09,845 --> 00:49:11,285 one of the positives do 1353 00:49:11,765 --> 00:49:13,525 around with all the terrible is that people 1354 00:49:13,525 --> 00:49:16,030 are seeing things they've never seen before. They're 1355 00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:18,349 questioning things they've never questioned before. But to 1356 00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:20,589 your point, you know, is it is it 1357 00:49:20,670 --> 00:49:22,750 is that gonna be more important than whatever 1358 00:49:22,750 --> 00:49:24,589 all this is accomplishing? You know, whether I 1359 00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:26,510 mean, I'll even in conjunction with kind of 1360 00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:28,030 this technocratic push, I mean, do we get 1361 00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:29,295 to a point to where they just go, 1362 00:49:29,295 --> 00:49:30,414 well, now we're at a point now where 1363 00:49:30,414 --> 00:49:31,775 we don't we don't care if you see 1364 00:49:31,775 --> 00:49:33,574 what we're doing. We control, you know I 1365 00:49:33,574 --> 00:49:35,775 I don't know, but go ahead. And and 1366 00:49:35,775 --> 00:49:37,954 that's a really important point you mentioned, 1367 00:49:38,255 --> 00:49:39,234 you know, the technocracy. 1368 00:49:39,614 --> 00:49:41,694 Sorry. I'm jumping all over the place. No. 1369 00:49:41,694 --> 00:49:42,194 But, 1370 00:49:42,894 --> 00:49:44,434 you know, when you look at 1371 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:46,250 what is being developed 1372 00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:48,650 to surveil Palestinians, 1373 00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:52,150 not only to surveil Palestinians, but remotely kill 1374 00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:54,789 Palestinians. I mean, now they're sending robots into 1375 00:49:54,789 --> 00:49:56,010 Trevalia to lay 1376 00:49:56,550 --> 00:49:57,769 explosive devices 1377 00:49:58,425 --> 00:49:59,485 that just remotely 1378 00:49:59,785 --> 00:50:02,265 kill civilians that happen to walk past when 1379 00:50:02,265 --> 00:50:03,565 it's detonated. Right? 1380 00:50:04,344 --> 00:50:05,805 The the remote control, 1381 00:50:06,985 --> 00:50:10,849 sniper rifles. Everything is becoming remote controlled. This 1382 00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:11,590 is the dystopia 1383 00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:13,890 that we have been talking about in the 1384 00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:15,750 west, but it's being developed 1385 00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:18,309 on the genocide of Palestinians. 1386 00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:21,170 And when you look at, excuse me, the 1387 00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:23,989 2030 road map between Israel and the UK, 1388 00:50:24,305 --> 00:50:27,105 and there's probably something very, very similar in 1389 00:50:27,105 --> 00:50:28,164 the United States. 1390 00:50:28,465 --> 00:50:31,105 All of this technology is being developed on 1391 00:50:31,105 --> 00:50:33,105 the back of the genocide of Palestinians, but 1392 00:50:33,105 --> 00:50:34,805 it's gonna be used against us. 1393 00:50:35,825 --> 00:50:37,364 This is the point. You know? 1394 00:50:37,769 --> 00:50:40,329 We need to make the connection between what 1395 00:50:40,329 --> 00:50:42,349 is happening in West Asia, 1396 00:50:43,289 --> 00:50:45,449 what the resistance is trying to do because 1397 00:50:45,449 --> 00:50:47,469 the resistance are aware of Netanyahu's 1398 00:50:47,769 --> 00:50:49,769 vision of a new order. They're very aware 1399 00:50:49,769 --> 00:50:52,025 of it. People here in Syria are very 1400 00:50:52,025 --> 00:50:54,764 aware of it, and they literally feel 1401 00:50:55,224 --> 00:50:56,844 they are fighting this war 1402 00:50:57,385 --> 00:50:58,204 for everybody. 1403 00:50:58,984 --> 00:50:59,484 Because 1404 00:50:59,944 --> 00:51:01,404 if this war is won 1405 00:51:02,344 --> 00:51:04,505 by the Zionists and the US and the 1406 00:51:04,505 --> 00:51:06,204 UK and and so on, 1407 00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:09,059 then we're living under under 1408 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,380 such a kind of hideous reality 1409 00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:14,179 paradigm. 1410 00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,039 Mhmm. You know? And And much it it 1411 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:18,400 was really quick. As much as I'm, you 1412 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,320 know, obviously, what you just said, she it's 1413 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,255 just kind of, I think we're all we 1414 00:51:22,255 --> 00:51:24,574 all I'm aware of that, Jose. But nonetheless, 1415 00:51:24,574 --> 00:51:25,635 what you just said 1416 00:51:26,414 --> 00:51:28,414 weirdly gave me, like, a a a very 1417 00:51:28,414 --> 00:51:30,255 ominous feeling. Like, we really think about what 1418 00:51:30,255 --> 00:51:32,014 you just said. Like, we it's obvious that 1419 00:51:32,014 --> 00:51:33,375 my point is that if they win, then 1420 00:51:33,375 --> 00:51:35,054 clearly they're still in control. But to think 1421 00:51:35,054 --> 00:51:37,260 about what that means, we're watching people that 1422 00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:38,480 the world can recognize 1423 00:51:38,860 --> 00:51:40,940 beyond the shadow of a doubt being aware 1424 00:51:40,940 --> 00:51:43,099 of committing genocide and then not even just 1425 00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:44,460 being a part of it, speaking up and 1426 00:51:44,460 --> 00:51:46,059 saying you should be praising us for doing 1427 00:51:46,059 --> 00:51:48,300 this. It's the right thing. And We're the 1428 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,860 civilized ones. They would be in power. People 1429 00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:53,125 would then bow. That's we need to recognize 1430 00:51:53,125 --> 00:51:55,045 how important this is. You're real you're absolutely 1431 00:51:55,045 --> 00:51:56,724 right. There's more hinging on this than just 1432 00:51:56,724 --> 00:51:58,964 the freedom of the Palestinian people or Lebanon 1433 00:51:58,964 --> 00:52:00,404 or Syria. It's it's for all of us. 1434 00:52:00,404 --> 00:52:02,005 Well, no. No. It's I mean, I I 1435 00:52:02,005 --> 00:52:04,164 get kinda goosebumps when I talk about this 1436 00:52:04,164 --> 00:52:06,424 because it's actually really and and, honestly, 1437 00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:09,340 on a personal level, people here are feeling 1438 00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:09,840 anxious. 1439 00:52:10,219 --> 00:52:12,780 They're feeling really anxious because they're feeling this 1440 00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:14,699 is kind of an end game. And it's 1441 00:52:14,699 --> 00:52:16,380 not only the end game for us, it's 1442 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:17,760 the end game for everyone. 1443 00:52:19,175 --> 00:52:20,934 You know? And and, you know, when you 1444 00:52:20,934 --> 00:52:21,835 when you look at 1445 00:52:22,454 --> 00:52:24,934 an an entity that is so crazy, has 1446 00:52:24,934 --> 00:52:27,255 a doctrine like the Samsung doctrine, where if 1447 00:52:27,255 --> 00:52:28,954 it is existentially threatened, 1448 00:52:29,335 --> 00:52:31,114 it will use nuclear weapons 1449 00:52:31,989 --> 00:52:34,550 even against its allies. It doesn't care. Ariel 1450 00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:37,670 Sharon basically said that in 2003. He said 1451 00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:39,510 we can target Paris. We can we can 1452 00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:41,050 target anywhere in the world. 1453 00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:44,005 That's who we're dealing with. We're not, and 1454 00:52:44,005 --> 00:52:46,644 I'm not even saying they're irrational because they're 1455 00:52:46,644 --> 00:52:48,344 perfectly rational both from 1456 00:52:48,644 --> 00:52:49,864 a religious perspective, 1457 00:52:50,405 --> 00:52:51,144 a historical 1458 00:52:51,764 --> 00:52:53,065 perspective, an ideological 1459 00:52:54,005 --> 00:52:54,505 perspective. 1460 00:52:55,445 --> 00:52:57,900 They're perfectly rational in what they're doing, But 1461 00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:00,619 from our perspective, they're completely irrational. Do you 1462 00:53:00,619 --> 00:53:02,219 know what I mean? This is I do. 1463 00:53:02,219 --> 00:53:03,500 That's a good way to put that. I 1464 00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:04,859 was gonna say I would argue that I 1465 00:53:04,859 --> 00:53:06,139 think some of them are quite 1466 00:53:06,859 --> 00:53:08,619 maybe flirting with a line of being a 1467 00:53:08,619 --> 00:53:10,074 little bit crazy, but I I get what 1468 00:53:10,074 --> 00:53:12,234 you're saying. You they they you're very aware 1469 00:53:12,234 --> 00:53:13,755 of what they're doing is what you're saying. 1470 00:53:13,755 --> 00:53:15,755 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're not out of 1471 00:53:15,755 --> 00:53:18,235 control is what I'm saying. Right. Right. Have 1472 00:53:18,235 --> 00:53:18,974 an agenda. 1473 00:53:19,434 --> 00:53:21,755 Yeah. And they're working to that agenda, and 1474 00:53:21,755 --> 00:53:23,515 we need to be, like, very aware of 1475 00:53:23,515 --> 00:53:25,619 what that agenda is. And, I mean, 1476 00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,579 look, smart cities smart cities who's, 1477 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,940 making smart cities now in Nagorno Karabakh, 1478 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,179 the the formerly Armenian 1479 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,019 territory in Azerbaijan 1480 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,179 on the border with Iran? Israel. 1481 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:39,460 Why? 1482 00:53:39,795 --> 00:53:41,574 Because they'll put the Armenians 1483 00:53:42,355 --> 00:53:45,394 into those smart cities, basically into prisons where 1484 00:53:45,394 --> 00:53:47,635 everything is controlled. We know what smart cities 1485 00:53:47,635 --> 00:53:50,434 mean, but when in my opinion, we're not 1486 00:53:50,434 --> 00:53:52,835 making a strong enough connection between what's going 1487 00:53:52,835 --> 00:53:53,655 on in Palestine 1488 00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:57,590 and how that is going to affect us 1489 00:53:57,590 --> 00:53:59,670 in the future from the perspective of what 1490 00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:02,410 we've also been worrying about from the technocratic 1491 00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:03,610 perspective, 1492 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:06,470 if that makes sense. 100%. Well, we're we're 1493 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:08,525 in an interesting time right now where mean, 1494 00:54:08,525 --> 00:54:09,485 and this is why a lot of my 1495 00:54:09,565 --> 00:54:11,405 myself included would argue that's why a lot 1496 00:54:11,405 --> 00:54:13,164 of this has been kind of spear you 1497 00:54:13,164 --> 00:54:15,724 know, began to happen because we have met 1498 00:54:15,724 --> 00:54:17,885 that point where these long sought plans are 1499 00:54:17,885 --> 00:54:20,364 now suddenly technologically possible. You know? And so 1500 00:54:20,364 --> 00:54:21,750 I think you're right. And, yeah, as we've 1501 00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:23,750 seen over the years with Israel where they 1502 00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:26,550 sell, you know, I mean, publicly, weapons they're 1503 00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:29,110 using on innocent people in Palestine as battle 1504 00:54:29,110 --> 00:54:31,429 tested, it's exactly what you're highlighting is the 1505 00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:33,804 we this is a test testing ground, and 1506 00:54:33,804 --> 00:54:34,704 these these populations 1507 00:54:35,085 --> 00:54:36,844 are being used. I mean, we we recently 1508 00:54:36,844 --> 00:54:39,085 saw some kind of random gas used against 1509 00:54:39,085 --> 00:54:41,244 the Unifil UN location, you know, and it 1510 00:54:41,244 --> 00:54:42,605 could just be the same old tear gas 1511 00:54:42,605 --> 00:54:44,204 they use which is not tear gas or 1512 00:54:44,204 --> 00:54:45,965 maybe it's something else. But it's very obvious 1513 00:54:45,965 --> 00:54:47,085 that they know they can do this stuff 1514 00:54:47,085 --> 00:54:49,005 and that nobody's holding them accountable and that's 1515 00:54:49,005 --> 00:54:51,880 a very unnerving reality for as you're highlighting 1516 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,199 because this is going to become our new 1517 00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:56,360 normal should we not recognize this needs to 1518 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,599 be stopped. And that's that is an important 1519 00:54:58,599 --> 00:54:59,660 thing to to highlight. 1520 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:01,320 But I I want before we get away 1521 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,599 from it, I wanted to at least touch 1522 00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:03,954 on because it is a pretty big event 1523 00:55:03,954 --> 00:55:05,635 in regard to what's going on with Sanwar 1524 00:55:05,635 --> 00:55:07,795 and what just happened. And and re we've 1525 00:55:07,875 --> 00:55:09,255 I brought up the the unrepoint, 1526 00:55:09,635 --> 00:55:11,635 because this overlaps. Because obviously, I think that's 1527 00:55:11,635 --> 00:55:13,554 very important and the larger dynamic of how 1528 00:55:13,554 --> 00:55:14,994 that plays out and what they're trying to 1529 00:55:14,994 --> 00:55:17,079 sort of wipe away from history. But you 1530 00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,159 recently shared this on on Twitter, and I 1531 00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:20,519 won't read the whole post, but essentially, you 1532 00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:21,800 can just tell us what it's what's going 1533 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,380 on here. Omar from Gaza is highlighting how 1534 00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:25,819 the the this passport 1535 00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:27,260 is being used, 1536 00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:29,239 saying he's an honorary teacher. They're claiming it 1537 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,940 was found with sinwar, but yet the passport, 1538 00:55:31,065 --> 00:55:32,585 the person on this is claiming they're in 1539 00:55:32,585 --> 00:55:34,684 Egypt. They don't know how it got there, 1540 00:55:34,744 --> 00:55:36,425 and it essentially looks like Israel is yet 1541 00:55:36,425 --> 00:55:38,744 again trying to frame the unra overlap. Yeah. 1542 00:55:38,744 --> 00:55:40,264 Right? Go ahead and explain why and how 1543 00:55:40,264 --> 00:55:42,505 that may work. Well, you know, again, it's 1544 00:55:42,505 --> 00:55:43,244 this criminalization 1545 00:55:43,784 --> 00:55:45,804 of anyone that's working for unra. 1546 00:55:46,179 --> 00:55:46,920 In other 1547 00:55:47,219 --> 00:55:50,579 words, trying to connect them to Hamas that 1548 00:55:50,579 --> 00:55:52,760 they have prescribed as a terrorist organization. 1549 00:55:54,340 --> 00:55:55,880 And this passport 1550 00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:58,260 that was found, and I'm not quite sure 1551 00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:59,800 why it was found with Sinwar. 1552 00:56:00,344 --> 00:56:01,945 You know, anything could have happened. It could 1553 00:56:01,945 --> 00:56:03,804 have been planted at the scene and 1554 00:56:04,105 --> 00:56:05,565 who knows? They they fabricated 1555 00:56:05,945 --> 00:56:09,804 pretty much everything from October 7th onwards. So 1556 00:56:10,105 --> 00:56:12,105 I I kind of, you know, I I 1557 00:56:12,105 --> 00:56:14,905 disbelieve virtually everything they say, to be honest. 1558 00:56:14,905 --> 00:56:16,349 I I would argue it's as simple as 1559 00:56:16,349 --> 00:56:18,349 just saying it's UNRA on the thing. It 1560 00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:20,349 it didn't go UNRA. UNRA. I mean, that's 1561 00:56:20,349 --> 00:56:21,789 how simple this tends to be for the 1562 00:56:21,789 --> 00:56:22,289 family. 1563 00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:23,329 You know, 1564 00:56:23,710 --> 00:56:25,710 but the guy said that basically this was 1565 00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:27,869 his old passport. He has a new passport 1566 00:56:27,869 --> 00:56:30,589 now, and he's in, Egypt. The passport has 1567 00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:31,514 been renewed. 1568 00:56:32,135 --> 00:56:34,554 But basically, what this is doing is then 1569 00:56:35,014 --> 00:56:37,675 normalizing the targeting of, UNRWA 1570 00:56:39,335 --> 00:56:39,835 employees 1571 00:56:40,375 --> 00:56:41,974 in Gaza. And I have a friend who 1572 00:56:41,974 --> 00:56:43,755 works for for UNRWA who, 1573 00:56:44,070 --> 00:56:46,070 thank god, is is still alive. He's now 1574 00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:48,570 in Darro Ballo where where actually the 1575 00:56:48,869 --> 00:56:50,010 burning tent 1576 00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:52,890 horror happened the other day. 1577 00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:56,070 So, you know, all of these people then 1578 00:56:56,070 --> 00:56:58,309 instead of working for a UN agency, they 1579 00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:58,809 become 1580 00:56:59,235 --> 00:57:00,454 aligned with Hamas, 1581 00:57:03,075 --> 00:57:06,615 and and then they're legitimate targets under Israel's 1582 00:57:06,914 --> 00:57:09,735 rules rules based on the school. 1583 00:57:10,035 --> 00:57:11,795 So under schooled as well, as you mentioned 1584 00:57:11,795 --> 00:57:12,994 earlier. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're just seeing 1585 00:57:12,994 --> 00:57:14,780 that happen right after this. You know? 1586 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,800 Mhmm. Yeah. But so so the point was 1587 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,480 so sin if you want anything you wanna 1588 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,480 mention in the relevance around Sinwar and and 1589 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,239 how that went down? Because it's interesting. And 1590 00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:24,760 I I'm still getting kind of into it 1591 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,679 since it happened. I was more kinda pulled 1592 00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:28,855 away from everything yesterday. But so it's interesting 1593 00:57:28,855 --> 00:57:30,614 to see how this all played out. Ultimately, 1594 00:57:30,614 --> 00:57:32,855 he's found, you know, not in a tunnel 1595 00:57:32,855 --> 00:57:34,695 full of civilians and all this. You know? 1596 00:57:34,695 --> 00:57:36,215 So it's just interesting to see. So what 1597 00:57:36,215 --> 00:57:37,494 what do you take from that, and what 1598 00:57:37,494 --> 00:57:38,875 what is your read on the situation? 1599 00:57:39,414 --> 00:57:41,515 Well, I mean, I think what's really interesting, 1600 00:57:41,815 --> 00:57:43,035 of course, is, 1601 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,159 you know, the claims were that that they 1602 00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:49,199 had identified the tunnel he was in, that 1603 00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:50,019 they had, 1604 00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,239 basically managed to find Sinwar and and were 1605 00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:56,500 tracking him. Of course, now it's 1606 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,765 absolutely clear they they weren't. They didn't even 1607 00:57:59,765 --> 00:58:01,864 know they had killed him, basically. 1608 00:58:02,644 --> 00:58:03,465 And I think, 1609 00:58:04,005 --> 00:58:06,644 you know, they are sort of and even 1610 00:58:06,644 --> 00:58:07,704 I've seen Israeli, 1611 00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:11,445 military experts commenting today and saying, you know, 1612 00:58:11,445 --> 00:58:13,769 actually, this is a disaster for us because 1613 00:58:13,769 --> 00:58:16,269 the fact that that Sinwar has been killed, 1614 00:58:16,890 --> 00:58:17,390 literally, 1615 00:58:17,929 --> 00:58:19,150 he's died fighting. 1616 00:58:19,849 --> 00:58:21,710 Mhmm. You know? So that has destroyed 1617 00:58:22,329 --> 00:58:25,289 all of the Israeli propaganda. And and, actually, 1618 00:58:25,289 --> 00:58:27,530 there's nothing wrong, by the way, with fighting 1619 00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:30,054 in tunnels. There's nothing wrong with the resistance 1620 00:58:30,114 --> 00:58:32,295 using tunnels. It's virtually their only 1621 00:58:32,594 --> 00:58:33,974 means to survive 1622 00:58:34,674 --> 00:58:36,534 under I mean, you know, how many 1623 00:58:36,835 --> 00:58:40,295 86 bombs were used to kill Sayed Nasrallah, 1624 00:58:40,514 --> 00:58:41,815 the leader of Hezbollah? 1625 00:58:42,369 --> 00:58:43,030 I mean, 1626 00:58:43,570 --> 00:58:45,730 seriously, I'm not gonna sort of, you know, 1627 00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:48,630 resent anyone using tunnels in these circumstances. 1628 00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:51,730 On top of the fact that every other 1629 00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:53,809 military we're discussing has used tunnels in some 1630 00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:56,769 warfare dynamic, but it's silly. Only battle I 1631 00:58:56,769 --> 00:58:57,510 mean, it's ridiculous. 1632 00:59:00,105 --> 00:59:02,585 Even, yeah, even the French resistance used them 1633 00:59:02,585 --> 00:59:04,905 famously, of course, when when the Nazis were 1634 00:59:04,905 --> 00:59:05,405 occupying, 1635 00:59:06,265 --> 00:59:07,965 northern and southern France. 1636 00:59:09,545 --> 00:59:11,164 But I think, you know, 1637 00:59:11,864 --> 00:59:12,364 really, 1638 00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:17,210 his death and the way he was found, 1639 00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:19,130 I think, has kind of 1640 00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:21,050 really elevated him 1641 00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:21,849 to, 1642 00:59:22,469 --> 00:59:23,210 a symbol 1643 00:59:24,070 --> 00:59:26,644 of strength for the resistance. And I think 1644 00:59:26,644 --> 00:59:28,885 if anything, it's gonna strengthen the resolve of 1645 00:59:28,885 --> 00:59:30,025 the resistance because 1646 00:59:30,804 --> 00:59:32,105 their elected leader 1647 00:59:32,724 --> 00:59:35,684 was found I mean, what? His arm missing. 1648 00:59:35,684 --> 00:59:37,704 He he'd been hit by shrapnel. 1649 00:59:38,469 --> 00:59:40,390 You know, he still managed to throw the 1650 00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:42,150 stick at the drone that was coming in 1651 00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:43,630 to finish him off and then got Right. 1652 00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:45,510 Done in by a sniper. I mean, someone 1653 00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:47,430 mentioned it's something like a scene out of 1654 00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:47,930 Terminator, 1655 00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:50,090 but it's real life. You know? 1656 00:59:50,644 --> 00:59:51,304 Yeah. So 1657 00:59:52,244 --> 00:59:54,405 yeah. Go ahead. Go on. Sorry. Oh, no. 1658 00:59:54,405 --> 00:59:55,684 I I was just gonna bring it. So 1659 00:59:55,684 --> 00:59:57,605 it's it's interesting to see how, you know, 1660 00:59:57,605 --> 00:59:58,105 the 1661 00:59:58,644 --> 01:00:00,885 narrative is always there and ever present. Sort 1662 01:00:00,885 --> 01:00:02,484 of how we can see bad daddy or 1663 01:00:02,484 --> 01:00:04,804 anybody else be killed 14 times until you 1664 01:00:04,804 --> 01:00:06,380 know, it's we never really know what's going 1665 01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:08,300 on. So the takeaway obviously is that this 1666 01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:10,140 is a a war of propaganda as it 1667 01:00:10,140 --> 01:00:12,619 always becomes. And and how this played out, 1668 01:00:12,619 --> 01:00:14,300 it shows you to your other point, I 1669 01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:16,059 think, which is important. And I I think 1670 01:00:16,059 --> 01:00:17,680 even Hamas put out a a statement 1671 01:00:17,980 --> 01:00:19,900 today or yesterday saying something of the same 1672 01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:22,025 effect that ultimately that this is only gonna 1673 01:00:22,025 --> 01:00:23,944 inspire more people to to fight back and 1674 01:00:23,944 --> 01:00:25,784 give, you know, that that many times over 1675 01:00:25,784 --> 01:00:27,625 the years, you pretend like taking our leaders 1676 01:00:27,625 --> 01:00:29,304 has caused anything to stop and it only 1677 01:00:29,304 --> 01:00:31,384 grows stronger, you know. So I I I 1678 01:00:31,384 --> 01:00:32,585 agree. And I think that the way it 1679 01:00:32,585 --> 01:00:34,349 went down is only gonna hurt them. And 1680 01:00:34,349 --> 01:00:35,789 even the fact that it got leaked out 1681 01:00:35,789 --> 01:00:37,950 without their knowledge, I mean, it's just it 1682 01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:39,470 all seems so But it kind of makes 1683 01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:42,030 them look pretty useless because, I mean, you 1684 01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:43,869 know, if if they have killed them, they 1685 01:00:43,869 --> 01:00:45,010 haven't even checked 1686 01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:48,074 that that it was similar. So, you know, 1687 01:00:48,074 --> 01:00:48,815 I think 1688 01:00:51,195 --> 01:00:53,355 I I think what you will probably see 1689 01:00:53,355 --> 01:00:55,514 is Hamas to a I don't know if 1690 01:00:55,514 --> 01:00:58,795 they will elect another single leader because, you 1691 01:00:58,795 --> 01:01:01,514 know, Israel now clearly has a policy of 1692 01:01:01,514 --> 01:01:02,335 picking off 1693 01:01:03,309 --> 01:01:05,789 the the leadership. Of course, the resistance has 1694 01:01:05,789 --> 01:01:07,889 a very horizontal leadership anyway, 1695 01:01:08,190 --> 01:01:09,329 and that's been proven 1696 01:01:09,789 --> 01:01:12,510 with the operations that Hezbollah is is conducting 1697 01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:14,109 in the south. I mean, you've got 4 1698 01:01:14,109 --> 01:01:16,734 or 5 Hezbollah taking out, you know, a 1699 01:01:16,734 --> 01:01:19,295 squad of Israelis that and and they haven't 1700 01:01:19,295 --> 01:01:22,195 managed to advance more than about 1 kilometer 1701 01:01:22,974 --> 01:01:23,454 into, 1702 01:01:23,855 --> 01:01:25,635 Southern Lebanon. And that's despite 1703 01:01:26,255 --> 01:01:28,114 the carpet bombing, the detonation, 1704 01:01:28,574 --> 01:01:29,715 the artillery. 1705 01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:34,059 So, you know, it's kind of an extraordinary 1706 01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:36,200 effort if you think about it by they 1707 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,440 don't have an air force, they don't really 1708 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:38,940 have, 1709 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,860 you know, air defense 1710 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:41,820 as such, 1711 01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:44,860 but Israel is is failing really 1712 01:01:45,545 --> 01:01:47,805 to advance further than just simply 1713 01:01:48,184 --> 01:01:48,684 bombing 1714 01:01:49,065 --> 01:01:49,565 everything 1715 01:01:49,945 --> 01:01:52,105 in sight, and of course that's what it's 1716 01:01:52,105 --> 01:01:53,885 always been good at anyway, 1717 01:01:55,305 --> 01:01:56,845 you know, using disproportionate 1718 01:01:57,224 --> 01:01:57,724 force 1719 01:01:58,659 --> 01:02:00,679 and cruelty and and savagery 1720 01:02:01,140 --> 01:02:02,440 against what are predominantly 1721 01:02:03,059 --> 01:02:03,559 civilians. 1722 01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:06,980 Yep. And and based off the Iran engagement, 1723 01:02:06,980 --> 01:02:08,739 the same way I mean, again, it's it's 1724 01:02:08,739 --> 01:02:12,344 almost incredible how clumsy this has been and 1725 01:02:12,344 --> 01:02:14,905 how every every single time it's the reactive 1726 01:02:14,905 --> 01:02:17,385 type propaganda and the the lie gets exposed 1727 01:02:17,385 --> 01:02:18,284 and the governments 1728 01:02:18,585 --> 01:02:20,184 and a lot of the corporate media just 1729 01:02:20,184 --> 01:02:22,585 don't acknowledge that fact, like, that Iran only 1730 01:02:22,585 --> 01:02:25,304 hit military targets, killed no one, and yet 1731 01:02:25,304 --> 01:02:28,750 we're arguing it's their belligerent terrorism versus Israel's 1732 01:02:28,969 --> 01:02:29,469 indiscriminate 1733 01:02:29,769 --> 01:02:32,250 civilian killing targets that are precise. It's it's 1734 01:02:32,250 --> 01:02:34,010 become a joke. It really has. And this 1735 01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:35,949 is why it's so incredible that this continues 1736 01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:36,909 to just 1737 01:02:37,289 --> 01:02:38,969 goose step forward, if you will, where people 1738 01:02:38,969 --> 01:02:41,204 are just mindlessly going along with what this 1739 01:02:41,204 --> 01:02:43,465 is. And it's it's a very small minority. 1740 01:02:43,605 --> 01:02:45,765 I I argue even within our political dynamic 1741 01:02:45,765 --> 01:02:48,005 in the United States. Like, people are left 1742 01:02:48,005 --> 01:02:49,845 or right. I I I ask, and it's 1743 01:02:49,845 --> 01:02:52,085 it's interesting. But so so to kind of 1744 01:02:52,085 --> 01:02:53,525 end on this point in regard to, you 1745 01:02:53,525 --> 01:02:55,320 know, where this goes. So we didn't touch 1746 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,920 on Lebanon that much. So if you wanna 1747 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,840 touch on, you know, what might what you 1748 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,599 see how you see that playing in, not 1749 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,280 I mean, go into it as much as 1750 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,039 you'd like. And and let you know, where 1751 01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:06,519 you see this going. With that with that 1752 01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:08,200 point being the focal the idea, you know, 1753 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,144 so it's obvious that I don't see how 1754 01:03:10,144 --> 01:03:11,525 they can succeed, 1755 01:03:12,784 --> 01:03:14,945 in any real, like, unless that is really 1756 01:03:14,945 --> 01:03:16,005 just sort of military 1757 01:03:16,465 --> 01:03:18,545 belligerent control of the US and Israel in 1758 01:03:18,545 --> 01:03:20,784 this dynamic going forward and using that to 1759 01:03:20,784 --> 01:03:22,945 effectively take more control. Maybe that's how it 1760 01:03:22,945 --> 01:03:24,690 goes, but everyone in the world seems to 1761 01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:26,130 be acknowledging what this is and sort of, 1762 01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:28,050 like, waiting for it to finish, which makes 1763 01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:29,969 me sick. Right? But so how do you 1764 01:03:29,969 --> 01:03:30,789 see that playing 1765 01:03:32,050 --> 01:03:34,369 out? Well, I think you've you've got, 1766 01:03:35,570 --> 01:03:36,070 levels 1767 01:03:36,494 --> 01:03:39,934 of conflict in Lebanon. So you've got the 1768 01:03:39,934 --> 01:03:42,014 the military conflict, which is ongoing at the 1769 01:03:42,014 --> 01:03:45,234 moment. Hezbollah is talking about, taking escalatory 1770 01:03:45,775 --> 01:03:48,335 measures now. You know, it's recognized now as 1771 01:03:48,335 --> 01:03:50,590 a war. It's no longer a kind of 1772 01:03:50,590 --> 01:03:52,510 a war of attrition or a war of 1773 01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:54,083 distraction away from the 1774 01:03:54,536 --> 01:03:56,909 you know, to take the Israeli military away 1775 01:03:56,909 --> 01:03:59,090 from the Gaza front, etcetera. 1776 01:03:59,469 --> 01:04:01,090 Now it's an all out war, 1777 01:04:02,394 --> 01:04:04,094 and that's been made very clear 1778 01:04:04,394 --> 01:04:07,674 by Hezbollah. I think what's interesting is that 1779 01:04:07,674 --> 01:04:08,734 today, there was 1780 01:04:09,034 --> 01:04:09,614 a Unifil, 1781 01:04:10,954 --> 01:04:11,454 German 1782 01:04:11,835 --> 01:04:13,534 naval vessel that intercepted 1783 01:04:14,154 --> 01:04:14,815 a resistance 1784 01:04:15,114 --> 01:04:15,614 drone. 1785 01:04:16,369 --> 01:04:19,010 Now that shouldn't be happening. That that is 1786 01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:19,510 suggesting 1787 01:04:20,130 --> 01:04:24,070 that Unifil is basically partisan towards Israel 1788 01:04:24,449 --> 01:04:26,070 and that Unifil's role, 1789 01:04:26,769 --> 01:04:29,030 which of course Israel perceives as 1790 01:04:29,355 --> 01:04:30,494 effectively occupying 1791 01:04:30,954 --> 01:04:32,175 the southern territories, 1792 01:04:33,514 --> 01:04:36,394 once they've cleansed them of of Hezbollah, which 1793 01:04:36,394 --> 01:04:38,715 is what they're aiming for to arrive at 1794 01:04:38,715 --> 01:04:39,295 the Litany 1795 01:04:39,755 --> 01:04:43,260 River and to push Hezbollah back beyond the 1796 01:04:43,260 --> 01:04:45,820 Litani River and to introduce the UNIFIL forces 1797 01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:48,539 in the Lebanese army. Well, Lebanese army isn't 1798 01:04:48,539 --> 01:04:51,019 actually capable of of taking care of that 1799 01:04:51,019 --> 01:04:52,000 level of territory, 1800 01:04:52,460 --> 01:04:54,860 but it also suggests that UNIFIL is gonna 1801 01:04:54,860 --> 01:04:57,324 be playing not a neutral role, but a 1802 01:04:57,324 --> 01:05:00,925 role that is favorable towards Israeli occupation of 1803 01:05:00,925 --> 01:05:02,704 that territory. Again, that's 1804 01:05:03,085 --> 01:05:04,864 my reading of the situation. 1805 01:05:05,405 --> 01:05:07,905 But then you've also got the internal war, 1806 01:05:08,045 --> 01:05:09,344 which is now being, 1807 01:05:10,285 --> 01:05:12,809 you know, fermented very much by the US 1808 01:05:12,969 --> 01:05:13,789 and the UK. 1809 01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:16,969 They have the British intelligence has been working 1810 01:05:16,969 --> 01:05:18,809 there for years just as they were in 1811 01:05:18,809 --> 01:05:19,309 Syria 1812 01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:20,989 to identify, 1813 01:05:21,849 --> 01:05:22,349 opposition 1814 01:05:22,650 --> 01:05:23,309 to Hezbollah. 1815 01:05:23,849 --> 01:05:25,610 And not only to Hezbollah, I mean, to 1816 01:05:25,610 --> 01:05:27,849 Oman, to the Christian factions that are allied 1817 01:05:27,849 --> 01:05:29,925 with Hezbollah. You know, Hezbollah isn't some kind 1818 01:05:29,925 --> 01:05:30,585 of sectarian 1819 01:05:31,045 --> 01:05:32,805 faction that the west would love you to 1820 01:05:32,805 --> 01:05:33,305 believe. 1821 01:05:33,684 --> 01:05:36,085 Right. And and as someone pointed out to 1822 01:05:36,085 --> 01:05:37,525 me the other day, a young, 1823 01:05:37,845 --> 01:05:38,345 Lebanese, 1824 01:05:40,244 --> 01:05:42,505 I'll get it right, Arab Lebanese 1825 01:05:42,885 --> 01:05:43,385 Christian 1826 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,440 journalist. Right? Because she's very clear. She said 1827 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,219 this is an Arab war 1828 01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:50,500 for liberation 1829 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,339 from the 1830 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,699 crusader, you know, the neo crusaders. 1831 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,260 It never ended. The crusades never ended. 1832 01:05:58,664 --> 01:06:00,425 So how she perceives it, and it's a 1833 01:06:00,425 --> 01:06:02,425 very good way of perceiving it because it 1834 01:06:02,425 --> 01:06:03,804 takes away all of the sectarian 1835 01:06:04,105 --> 01:06:05,804 discourse and and propaganda, 1836 01:06:06,664 --> 01:06:08,605 is as Arabs supporting 1837 01:06:08,905 --> 01:06:09,405 Arabs 1838 01:06:09,945 --> 01:06:11,565 to take back Arab land 1839 01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:12,590 from, 1840 01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:14,989 Western and Israeli occupation 1841 01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:16,430 and plundering 1842 01:06:16,809 --> 01:06:18,829 of resources. So I think, 1843 01:06:19,450 --> 01:06:21,690 you know, that should be very clearly made, 1844 01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:22,430 that point, 1845 01:06:22,890 --> 01:06:23,390 because 1846 01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:25,950 when people talk about, well, you know, Hezbollah 1847 01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:28,664 protects Christians. No. Arabs protect Arabs 1848 01:06:29,204 --> 01:06:32,885 because Christians and and Shia Muslim and Sunni 1849 01:06:32,885 --> 01:06:35,204 Muslim and Yazidi and Ishmaelian and so on 1850 01:06:35,204 --> 01:06:38,105 have have coexisted in Syria and in Lebanon 1851 01:06:38,644 --> 01:06:39,304 for centuries. 1852 01:06:40,885 --> 01:06:43,360 Right? But what the the US and the 1853 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,820 UK and and British, particularly MI6, British Intelligence, 1854 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,500 have been working on is infiltration 1855 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,480 of government sectors, military sectors, security sectors. Britain 1856 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,300 has installed 1857 01:06:53,925 --> 01:06:56,005 watchtowers that are being used to, 1858 01:06:56,405 --> 01:06:59,525 surveil the territory, both Syria side and Lebanon 1859 01:06:59,525 --> 01:07:02,244 side. And what they're trying to now do 1860 01:07:02,244 --> 01:07:03,305 is to manufacture 1861 01:07:05,204 --> 01:07:06,025 a situation 1862 01:07:06,965 --> 01:07:08,265 where they can turn 1863 01:07:09,010 --> 01:07:12,230 the factions that are against Hezbollah against them 1864 01:07:12,610 --> 01:07:15,329 to impose a president, because if people don't 1865 01:07:15,329 --> 01:07:17,910 know, Lebanon still only has really an interim 1866 01:07:17,970 --> 01:07:21,329 government. Hezbollah has 13 seats, I think, from 1867 01:07:21,329 --> 01:07:21,989 the 2022 1868 01:07:22,769 --> 01:07:24,390 election, so it's an official 1869 01:07:25,304 --> 01:07:26,684 member of the political 1870 01:07:27,784 --> 01:07:30,824 sphere in in Lebanon. Again, that, of course, 1871 01:07:30,824 --> 01:07:33,065 is not told to you in the US 1872 01:07:33,065 --> 01:07:35,244 or the UK or the EU. Right. 1873 01:07:35,945 --> 01:07:37,704 And they're in a coalition with a Christian 1874 01:07:37,704 --> 01:07:40,559 party, a Christian nationalist party. But anyway. 1875 01:07:41,019 --> 01:07:43,019 I can hear that. So it's like yeah. 1876 01:07:43,019 --> 01:07:44,940 So so in other words, there there are 1877 01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:47,500 2 wars going on here. And of course, 1878 01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:50,699 if Israel is perceived to be not achieving 1879 01:07:50,699 --> 01:07:52,934 its goals in the south, then there is 1880 01:07:52,934 --> 01:07:54,795 potential for a destabilization 1881 01:07:55,414 --> 01:07:55,914 campaign, 1882 01:07:56,855 --> 01:07:58,535 to turn the population against, 1883 01:07:59,335 --> 01:08:01,414 Hezbollah. And, of course, how will they do 1884 01:08:01,414 --> 01:08:04,315 that if Israel bonds deeper into 1885 01:08:05,289 --> 01:08:08,650 Beirut territory, for example, or deeper into areas 1886 01:08:08,650 --> 01:08:09,869 where they're not only 1887 01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:13,210 Hezbollah, there might be other Christian factions like 1888 01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:13,869 the phalangists, 1889 01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:17,770 who by the way are Christian Zionists, although 1890 01:08:17,770 --> 01:08:18,670 that's an oxymoron, 1891 01:08:19,114 --> 01:08:22,015 but they are Christians who support Zionism 1892 01:08:22,795 --> 01:08:24,574 and who carried out the massacre, 1893 01:08:25,515 --> 01:08:26,414 in 1982 1894 01:08:26,875 --> 01:08:29,135 in Sabra and Shetila of Palestinians. 1895 01:08:29,515 --> 01:08:32,015 More than 3,000 Palestinians massacred 1896 01:08:32,530 --> 01:08:33,350 by the Falangists, 1897 01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:35,510 watched over by the Zionist. 1898 01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:37,970 So there are factions in Lebanon that can 1899 01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:40,630 be weaponized against Hezbollah, and I think 1900 01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:44,149 there is very high potential for that happening. 1901 01:08:45,835 --> 01:08:47,375 So, you know, it's 1902 01:08:48,234 --> 01:08:51,274 it's an incredibly complex situation. As I said, 1903 01:08:51,274 --> 01:08:52,895 here in Syria, we're watching, 1904 01:08:53,994 --> 01:08:57,034 literally on tenterhooks. We're we're stuck here now 1905 01:08:57,034 --> 01:08:59,854 because all the border roads have been basically 1906 01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:00,680 bombed. 1907 01:09:02,020 --> 01:09:03,860 There is a vulnerability in the south of 1908 01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:05,079 Syria for Israel, 1909 01:09:05,860 --> 01:09:07,560 to advance or to, 1910 01:09:09,860 --> 01:09:10,920 certainly bomb 1911 01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:13,460 to a large degree, but I don't think 1912 01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:15,895 we're at that stage quite yet. But I 1913 01:09:15,895 --> 01:09:17,515 could be wrong because things 1914 01:09:17,975 --> 01:09:20,454 do suddenly seem to escalate very, very fast 1915 01:09:20,454 --> 01:09:21,195 at the moment. 1916 01:09:22,375 --> 01:09:24,935 Well, I ultimately hope that, you know, some 1917 01:09:24,935 --> 01:09:26,395 people out there can influence, 1918 01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:28,850 yeah, whether whatever works. I mean, there's so 1919 01:09:28,850 --> 01:09:31,010 many different dynamics involved. And I think that 1920 01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:32,449 people out there need to take the actions 1921 01:09:32,449 --> 01:09:34,530 they believe will have an influence on on 1922 01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:36,689 stopping what's happening, whatever that may be to 1923 01:09:36,689 --> 01:09:37,970 you. Because I think right now, there's a 1924 01:09:37,970 --> 01:09:39,250 lot of you know, I I tend to 1925 01:09:39,250 --> 01:09:40,930 lean away from the political action. I don't 1926 01:09:40,930 --> 01:09:42,445 think your politicians care, but if you think 1927 01:09:42,445 --> 01:09:43,965 it'll make a difference, give it a shot. 1928 01:09:43,965 --> 01:09:45,085 Because I think what we need to do 1929 01:09:45,085 --> 01:09:46,845 right now is everything in our power to 1930 01:09:46,845 --> 01:09:48,784 try to stop the suffering of these people. 1931 01:09:48,925 --> 01:09:51,185 You know, the the problem for me 1932 01:09:51,564 --> 01:09:54,064 immediate is that it does just seem like 1933 01:09:54,204 --> 01:09:56,145 everyone's sort of letting this finish. 1934 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,319 Everyone being a a the wrong term, I 1935 01:09:58,319 --> 01:10:00,239 guess. But, you know, the power structures, and 1936 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:01,920 it is it's something that I'm having a 1937 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,279 hard time with. You know? Like, that I 1938 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,039 as much as I think we're doing what's 1939 01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:06,920 within our power, it it it's it's just 1940 01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:09,600 it it just continues. Without the facts, everything 1941 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,225 aside, it it's hard. You know? So thank 1942 01:10:12,225 --> 01:10:13,824 you for for being here and and and 1943 01:10:13,824 --> 01:10:15,744 enlightening people on this, and and hopefully, we 1944 01:10:15,744 --> 01:10:16,244 can 1945 01:10:16,864 --> 01:10:18,625 take some more action to see this change. 1946 01:10:18,625 --> 01:10:20,225 And I I do believe that we're on 1947 01:10:20,225 --> 01:10:21,904 a as much as there's a lot of 1948 01:10:21,904 --> 01:10:23,984 negative, a lot of sadness, a lot of 1949 01:10:23,984 --> 01:10:26,039 pain and suffering, there is some good coming 1950 01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:27,079 from this. You know? And that's what I 1951 01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:28,600 was saying before is that pea more people 1952 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,680 than ever are seeing what I think is 1953 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,439 the real culprit in all of this. And 1954 01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,880 I just mean that whether we're talking about 1955 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,439 Zionism or in specific cases, the US government. 1956 01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,880 But we can see who are obviously behind 1957 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,305 a lot of this. And and so I'll 1958 01:10:40,305 --> 01:10:41,824 I'll end by just pointing this out since 1959 01:10:41,824 --> 01:10:43,425 we've mentioned this earlier, and I think I 1960 01:10:43,425 --> 01:10:45,284 I did pulled up. I didn't grab it. 1961 01:10:45,505 --> 01:10:46,704 Mhmm. And on the point that I think 1962 01:10:46,704 --> 01:10:48,545 it's important to realize that the US government 1963 01:10:48,545 --> 01:10:50,385 is playing a central role in this. Like, 1964 01:10:50,385 --> 01:10:51,744 I think you've mentioned in the past, this 1965 01:10:51,744 --> 01:10:53,420 is not, you know, they're not supporting this. 1966 01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:55,100 This is a US genocide in regard to 1967 01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,699 what's going on in Gaza. The US and 1968 01:10:56,699 --> 01:10:59,340 Israel are equally complicit. And as, Kevork Al 1969 01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:01,659 Masian highlights him back to Syria, the CIA 1970 01:11:01,659 --> 01:11:04,640 backed terrorist from the Saad bin Abi Waqas 1971 01:11:04,699 --> 01:11:05,199 Brigade 1972 01:11:05,715 --> 01:11:07,635 affiliated with Hayat al Sham or Al Qaeda 1973 01:11:07,635 --> 01:11:09,635 have released a video showing them preparing for 1974 01:11:09,635 --> 01:11:12,135 a major assault on Syrian Arab Army positions. 1975 01:11:12,274 --> 01:11:14,354 This offensive is clearly designed to divert Syrian 1976 01:11:14,354 --> 01:11:17,074 forces, paving the way for Israel's potential expansion 1977 01:11:17,074 --> 01:11:18,595 of the war into Syria. So just like 1978 01:11:18,595 --> 01:11:19,255 you're highlighting, 1979 01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:21,609 it's all you know, these pieces are coming 1980 01:11:21,609 --> 01:11:23,850 into place. So any any last thoughts on, 1981 01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:25,609 you know, what what can somebody do out 1982 01:11:25,609 --> 01:11:27,289 there? You know, the average person who's watching 1983 01:11:27,289 --> 01:11:28,970 this that goes, I don't have any influence. 1984 01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:30,409 I don't have a channel, but I'd like 1985 01:11:30,409 --> 01:11:31,689 to see something you know, I'd like to 1986 01:11:31,689 --> 01:11:32,970 do something. What would you say they could 1987 01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:33,470 do? 1988 01:11:34,175 --> 01:11:36,175 Actually, I did see someone do something the 1989 01:11:36,175 --> 01:11:38,034 other day, which I just thought was brilliant, 1990 01:11:38,335 --> 01:11:40,494 and they basically went to one of these 1991 01:11:40,494 --> 01:11:44,574 military industrial complex exhibitions, expos, whatever. I think 1992 01:11:44,574 --> 01:11:46,739 it was in the states, And they went 1993 01:11:46,739 --> 01:11:48,420 to all of the did you see it? 1994 01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:49,479 All the Israeli, 1995 01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:51,079 weapons manufacturers 1996 01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:53,380 and and basically shoved the camera in their 1997 01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:55,300 face and said, so are you gonna keep 1998 01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:55,800 selling, 1999 01:11:56,579 --> 01:11:59,059 weapons that are shredding children that are and, 2000 01:11:59,059 --> 01:12:00,439 you know, really loudly. 2001 01:12:02,185 --> 01:12:03,885 So I think, you know, you you've 2002 01:12:05,385 --> 01:12:07,164 I I think there's a lot of things 2003 01:12:07,225 --> 01:12:09,625 that can be done, you know, even outside 2004 01:12:09,625 --> 01:12:12,265 of of the demonstrations and the protests, which, 2005 01:12:12,265 --> 01:12:14,685 you know, are amazing in solidarity 2006 01:12:15,065 --> 01:12:17,449 with Palestine. But I think there's a lot 2007 01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:19,449 of other things that you can do personally 2008 01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:20,869 as well. I mean, I'm seeing a lot 2009 01:12:20,869 --> 01:12:21,369 of, 2010 01:12:22,869 --> 01:12:23,770 countries now, 2011 01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:24,890 blockading 2012 01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:26,650 sea ports and preventing 2013 01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:29,050 shipping going to Israel. 2014 01:12:29,635 --> 01:12:31,154 You know, you you have to kind of 2015 01:12:31,154 --> 01:12:32,614 think of the supply chain 2016 01:12:33,314 --> 01:12:35,234 and then pick an area of that supply 2017 01:12:35,234 --> 01:12:37,234 chain where you can have an effect, where 2018 01:12:37,234 --> 01:12:40,135 you can potentially draw attention to and shame 2019 01:12:40,994 --> 01:12:44,274 the companies and and the individuals that are 2020 01:12:44,274 --> 01:12:44,774 profiting 2021 01:12:46,409 --> 01:12:48,270 from the the mass slaughter 2022 01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:49,789 of Palestinians 2023 01:12:50,329 --> 01:12:52,569 and Lebanese now. I mean, what is it? 2024 01:12:52,569 --> 01:12:53,069 2,500 2025 01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:55,069 dead and 10,000 2026 01:12:55,369 --> 01:12:57,449 I mean, we're just entering the same paradigm 2027 01:12:57,449 --> 01:12:58,829 of kind of ever increasing 2028 01:12:59,625 --> 01:13:01,965 numbers, and it's just horrifying. 2029 01:13:02,824 --> 01:13:04,344 It is. It is. Well, you know, and 2030 01:13:04,344 --> 01:13:05,864 I think that's the the shame and the 2031 01:13:05,944 --> 01:13:07,625 you know, there's a lot of companies out 2032 01:13:07,625 --> 01:13:09,305 there. Like, I I think on a lot 2033 01:13:09,305 --> 01:13:10,664 of cases, I think these people are pretty 2034 01:13:10,664 --> 01:13:12,744 much sociopaths and wouldn't care. But I think 2035 01:13:12,744 --> 01:13:14,699 there is an element of these companies that 2036 01:13:14,780 --> 01:13:16,460 that see an opportunity to profit, and they 2037 01:13:16,460 --> 01:13:18,619 don't see anybody getting held accountable and so 2038 01:13:18,619 --> 01:13:20,060 they step into it. But, yes, should they 2039 01:13:20,060 --> 01:13:22,220 be called out? Should their name be shown 2040 01:13:22,220 --> 01:13:24,300 on Twitter or whatever platform you're using next 2041 01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:26,060 to these images? I think they might think 2042 01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:27,820 twice about that. So I agree. And so 2043 01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:30,104 anything like that, you know, just take action, 2044 01:13:30,104 --> 01:13:31,944 guys. Stand up and do something. And I've 2045 01:13:31,944 --> 01:13:33,625 never advocated for violence, but I believe the 2046 01:13:33,625 --> 01:13:35,465 time is where now is the time to 2047 01:13:35,465 --> 01:13:37,145 to find what you can do to make 2048 01:13:37,145 --> 01:13:39,145 a difference. So I'm gonna end actually with 2049 01:13:39,145 --> 01:13:41,225 a clip, since you've been mentioning the shredded 2050 01:13:41,225 --> 01:13:43,404 children up, one of the most impactful videos 2051 01:13:43,465 --> 01:13:44,364 from a doctor 2052 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,039 highlighting what he's seeing in Gaza. So I'll 2053 01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:48,640 end with that clip. And, anything else you 2054 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:49,600 wanna leave us with on the way up, 2055 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,840 Vanessa? Any upcoming events or, you know, anything 2056 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,360 you wanna leave us with to let people 2057 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,420 know what's coming up? 2058 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,880 No. I mean, people can follow my work 2059 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,300 at my substack is the main one. Twitter, 2060 01:13:59,439 --> 01:13:59,939 YouTube 2061 01:14:01,255 --> 01:14:03,814 still, and Telegram, of course, these days is, 2062 01:14:03,814 --> 01:14:05,835 you know, the most used for me. 2063 01:14:06,534 --> 01:14:09,114 But no. Thanks, Ryan, and thanks for highlighting 2064 01:14:09,494 --> 01:14:11,434 everything you do. It is really 2065 01:14:11,894 --> 01:14:13,835 important, I think. You know? 2066 01:14:14,970 --> 01:14:16,829 Support the resistance because 2067 01:14:17,289 --> 01:14:20,010 they're ordinary people. They're not governments. They're not 2068 01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:23,390 they're just people like us across the world, 2069 01:14:23,449 --> 01:14:25,689 you know, who are fighting back against what 2070 01:14:27,074 --> 01:14:29,555 you know, evil is always an overused word, 2071 01:14:29,555 --> 01:14:31,155 but I can't think of another word to 2072 01:14:31,155 --> 01:14:33,494 describe what's actually going on at the moment. 2073 01:14:33,954 --> 01:14:35,795 I agree. I agree. Well, like you said, 2074 01:14:35,795 --> 01:14:38,454 support the resistance because you are the resistance. 2075 01:14:38,675 --> 01:14:40,675 So thank you for being here, Vanessa. And 2076 01:14:40,675 --> 01:14:43,510 as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come 2077 01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:46,070 to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. When were 2078 01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:46,890 you in Gaza? 2079 01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:49,670 End of April for the first couple weeks. 2080 01:14:49,670 --> 01:14:51,850 And then there's sniper bullets. I had children 2081 01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:54,550 that were shot twice. Wait. You're saying that 2082 01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:57,130 children in Gaza are being shot by snipers. 2083 01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:57,689 Definitively. 2084 01:14:58,234 --> 01:15:00,554 I have 2 children that I have photographs 2085 01:15:00,554 --> 01:15:02,954 of that were shot so perfectly in their 2086 01:15:02,954 --> 01:15:05,114 chest. I couldn't put my stethoscope over their 2087 01:15:05,114 --> 01:15:06,094 heart more accurately 2088 01:15:06,554 --> 01:15:08,654 and directly on the side of the head 2089 01:15:09,034 --> 01:15:11,710 in the same child. No toddler gets shot 2090 01:15:11,710 --> 01:15:14,770 twice by mistake by the world's best sniper, 2091 01:15:14,829 --> 01:15:16,770 and they're dead center shots. 2092 01:15:18,029 --> 01:15:20,829 In fact, more than 20 doctors recently in 2093 01:15:20,829 --> 01:15:24,750 Gaza also told Sunday morning about gunshot wounds 2094 01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:25,409 to children. 2095 01:15:26,805 --> 01:15:29,625 One American doctor told us he even reviewed 2096 01:15:29,765 --> 01:15:32,885 CT scans to confirm what he saw because 2097 01:15:32,885 --> 01:15:36,024 he, quote, didn't believe that this many children 2098 01:15:36,085 --> 01:15:38,805 could be admitted to a single hospital with 2099 01:15:38,805 --> 01:15:40,585 gunshot wounds to the head. 2100 01:15:42,429 --> 01:15:43,250 Some shootings 2101 01:15:44,429 --> 01:15:45,889 have been captured on video. 2102 01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:49,869 So of all the disaster zones you've seen, 2103 01:15:49,869 --> 01:15:51,250 how does Gaza compare? 2104 01:15:51,710 --> 01:15:54,929 All of the dis disasters I've seen combined 2105 01:15:56,154 --> 01:15:58,494 combined, 40 mission trips 30 years, 2106 01:15:58,954 --> 01:15:59,854 ground 0, 2107 01:16:01,114 --> 01:16:01,614 earthquakes, 2108 01:16:02,154 --> 01:16:03,375 all of that combined 2109 01:16:04,074 --> 01:16:05,135 doesn't equal 2110 01:16:05,835 --> 01:16:07,054 the level of carnage 2111 01:16:07,675 --> 01:16:09,694 that I saw against civilians 2112 01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:12,800 in just my 1st week in Gaza. And 2113 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,020 when you say civilians, 2114 01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:15,619 is it mostly children? 2115 01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:18,099 Almost exclusively 2116 01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:18,899 children. 2117 01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:20,739 I've never seen that before. 2118 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,420 Never seen that. I see more 2119 01:16:24,904 --> 01:16:27,465 incinerated children than I've ever seen in my 2120 01:16:27,465 --> 01:16:30,524 entire life combined. I've seen more shredded children 2121 01:16:30,904 --> 01:16:33,944 in just the 1st week. Shredded? Shredded. What 2122 01:16:33,944 --> 01:16:36,585 do you mean? Missing body parts, being crushed 2123 01:16:36,585 --> 01:16:38,364 by buildings, the greatest majority, 2124 01:16:38,689 --> 01:16:41,810 or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We've 2125 01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:43,989 taken shrapnel as big as my thumb 2126 01:16:44,369 --> 01:16:45,590 out of 8 year olds. 2127 01:16:46,529 --> 01:16:48,770 The UN reports that to date, more than 2128 01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:51,829 80% of Gaza's population has been displaced 2129 01:16:52,295 --> 01:16:53,914 and the majority of its buildings 2130 01:16:54,295 --> 01:16:54,795 destroyed. 2131 01:16:55,814 --> 01:16:58,314 A reality which has taken its own toll 2132 01:16:58,854 --> 01:17:00,554 on the well-being of children. 2133 01:17:01,734 --> 01:17:03,574 What about the emotional wounds? How can you 2134 01:17:03,574 --> 01:17:04,474 measure that? 2135 01:17:05,255 --> 01:17:06,795 I can't measure my own. 2136 01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:12,609 How do you be a, 2137 01:17:13,069 --> 01:17:13,890 an orphan 2138 01:17:14,590 --> 01:17:17,310 watching your family, you know, melted in front 2139 01:17:17,310 --> 01:17:18,829 of you and shredded in front of you? 2140 01:17:18,829 --> 01:17:21,409 How do you fix that? Ever fix that? 2141 01:17:22,685 --> 01:17:25,885 In fact, so many Palestinian children have had 2142 01:17:25,885 --> 01:17:29,265 family members killed that doctors created a shorthand 2143 01:17:29,324 --> 01:17:29,824 term, 2144 01:17:30,364 --> 01:17:30,864 wcnsf, 2145 01:17:32,524 --> 01:17:33,585 wounded child, 2146 01:17:34,045 --> 01:17:35,585 no surviving family.