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Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. I'm honored

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to have on the show today Larkin Rose

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to discuss his outstanding book,

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the most dangerous superstition. And, really, this is

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something we've talked about many, many, many different

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times on the last American Vagabond, the daily

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wrap up, the conversation of the illusion of

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authority or, you know, voting in general within

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that and the conversation of how important this

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is. I mean, right now with the selection

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process coming up, how

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important this is. I mean, right now with

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the selection process coming up, how much of

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the conversation revolves around things we're gonna discuss

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today. So I'm excited to have him on

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to discuss why this is such an important

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manipulation,

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the illusion around all of this and and

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what we may do to possibly change that

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going forward. So, Larkin, thank you for joining

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me today. How are you? Thanks for having

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me on. I'm doing great even in Phoenix.

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Outstanding.

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Well, you know, it's interesting to start off

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that I've been saying a lot that I

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and maybe this is just me being hopeful,

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but I still think it's important to lean

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into. I I do see a lot of

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mental change happening. And as usual, it comes

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along with a lot of, you know, the

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the powers that shouldn't be amping up our

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uncomfortableness to make you fall back into line.

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But I really do see a lot more

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people than I've ever seen before asking questions

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in a lot of different areas coming from

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the COVID 19 illusion conversation, what's going on

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in foreign policy, but specifically around the election.

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And I've I've we've been talking a lot

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about or just in my entire career doing

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this. I've always been a 2 party illusion

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mindset person. I've talked about the reality of,

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you know, the the kinda just the big

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facade around politics in general and then also

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going further into the idea of the illusion

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of authority. But it's been there, and we've

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talked about it. But most of my audience

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is still kind of like, well, I get

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it, we're probably gonna vote. And, you know,

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and I play that game every single year.

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This year,

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something has shifted as I feel at least

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as I feel. And I I see a

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lot of people asking questions and investing in

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these ideas even if they still may vote

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than I've ever seen before. And we got

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a really incredible pushback

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from the certain kind of people in the,

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you know, the higher level left right paradigm

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commentators when we simply said the same thing

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we say every year, sort of like, you

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know, vote no one, 2024. And it got

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this crazy response. And so I immediately was

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like, I've gotta have Larkin Rose on. We've

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gotta talk about his ideas because people are

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listening to these things more than I've ever

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seen. So if unless you wanna comment on

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just that in general, I'd like to start

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with just, you know, explain for people that

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have never heard this before, what is government

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and what is and how what is it

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that we incorrectly see it as?

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Well, I'll start with the incorrectly see it

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as because it actually ties in with what

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you were saying.

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And the reason it's falling apart and the

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reason more people are starting to question it

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is because the mythology that we were all

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taught

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is falling apart in front of our eyes.

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Mhmm. What we're taught to think is that

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society needs this thing called government

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that that's above us mere mortals. Like, you're

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not supposed to think about it like that.

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But it's this thing that keeps us in

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line, and it keeps us civilized, and it

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settles disputes, and it protects us, and yada

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yada yada.

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a religious belief

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because they talk about government as if it

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isn't just people.

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Because they well, the government will handle that.

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Well well, what are you talking about? Like,

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are is this some daddy you're talking about,

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or is this just human beings?

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you ask them, not only do they recognize

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it's just human beings, they recognize it's the

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worst human beings there are. Right. And as

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that becomes more and more obvious, like, in

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recent years where the the elections are just

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one slimeball against another slimeball,

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and the mask fell off.

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Tons of people who used to just take

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it on faith that, of course, we need

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government. Of course, there need to be sort

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of societal

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managers or something,

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keeping the rest of us in line.

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The more the facade,

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that these people are somehow superior and they

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have special knowledge or special rights or special

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something

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not even, like, average. You're not you're worse

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than my neighbor.

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Right. Like, I'd rather have my neighbor rule

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me than some random, you know,

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republican or democrat.

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the notion that we have to have some

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people who have special rights, who have authority,

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who have the right to tell the rest

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of us what to do, have the right

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to tax the rest of us

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to pay for big things because we can't

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handle that, and we can't be trusted to,

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like, just, you know, pool our resources voluntarily

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and stuff. No. We, the the stupid little

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children,

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need our parent government bossing us around and

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taking our money in for our own good

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and funding these big things that we're told,

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you know, us mere mortals could never possibly

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handle.

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that

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lie has been falling apart precisely because

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nobody really has faith. The best they can

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say is my slime ball isn't quite as

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bad as your slime ball. Right. That's pretty

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much the entire conversation right now.

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And that's not enough to maintain people's actual

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belief.

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when, like, the idea of the office of

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presidency.

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of whoever's there right now, you respect the

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office of the presidency, and I got to

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shake hands with my congressman.

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long ago where there was this reverence for

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government,

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and it has completely fallen apart over the

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last, you know, 15 or 20 years

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because the the propagandist for the state have

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gotten so bad at their job.

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Mhmm. Because instead of looking like we're above

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you, we're sort of the high priests of

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society. Like, you need us here doing these

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complicated things that you can't possibly understand.

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We have these legislative sessions, and we decide

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public policy for the blah blah blah. So

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the average peasant out there can go, well,

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I don't know how any of that works,

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so I'm glad somebody's doing it.

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screaming idiots. I mean, the they don't even

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come across as smarter than the average person.

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out how the other one's a liar and

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corrupt crook.

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we can't possibly society

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can't meet these people Mhmm. To have special

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power.

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interesting you bring so do you think there's

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any level of this? And, wait. I mean,

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the question is, do you think there's any

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level of this this is that is sort

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of part of the design at some level?

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to believe that it could have gotten

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this I mean, it I guess I guess

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mean, it's obvious, almost like the logical decline.

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obviously con like, before, like you said, there

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was reverence, there was at least, like, an

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assemblance of difference of policy? Like, now there's

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just, like, these screening wedge issues, then everything

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else kinda seems to line up in the

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same direction. Like, I think we the those

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of us that see this always know that's

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kind of how it works, but it's very

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visible right now. So do you think any

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of that's by design for some reason?

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I often use the analogy of a chess

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game. As if you're playing chess and it

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looks like the other guy did a colossally

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stupid move, you still have to pause and

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go, was that a trap? Like, is there

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some clever thing behind this? Because that looked

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really dumb,

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but maybe there's something I'm not seeing.

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am just by default in that mindset when

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it comes to government doing stuff that looks

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stupid.

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all the way accept

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they really are this dumb. I think they

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have drifted so long on the momentum of

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the propaganda

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of the past geniuses like, Edward Bernays,

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evil genius, but he was still a genius.

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He was brilliant at manipulation and propaganda.

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And the politicians were

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way better at duping people into thinking

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we needed them. And they're the source of

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law and order and and all that.

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And I think they've gotten their way so

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long that the geniuses just sort

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of faded away,

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and the parasitic politicians like, they come out

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and they do the dumbest thing. They they

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have 1,000,000,000 of dollars at their disposal,

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and they come out and they do the

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most moronic things while, like, trying to pretend

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they're one of us.

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I'm just like you, and then they do,

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you know, idiotic things that everyone's laughing at

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them.

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And I was hesitant, I mean, years ago,

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but I was hesitant to believe, are they

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really that bad? The first book I wrote,

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which is actually out of print at the

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moment, is how to be a successful tyrant.

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And it describes the manipulations,

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and it it describes all the nasty tricks

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they do. They're getting an f minus

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at this point in being successful tyrants.

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Because when they just grab for brute force

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power,

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that's like, they may get it short term

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for some people, but in the long run,

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that is colossally stupid. You can't rule a

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people if it's just by brute force. If

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they don't feel obligated to bow to you

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and obey you,

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you as the tyrant, you're in deep doo

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doo. Right.

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I'm happy about. So I was thinking they

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really are this incompetent now.

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And I and I think what you said

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there a moment ago is the ideas that

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I think it's a lot of the people

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that might have otherwise otherwise gravitated around this

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power structure are just so aware of how

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any number of things we see on the

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decline that they're just not in it it's

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almost like I said, the natural decline of

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how this is going. You know? And I

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think that's pretty visible. But so you said

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about the the illusion about the idea that

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you have to believe that they have this

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authority. So let's talk about that. And that's

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a a central part of your discussion in

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the book is that you the that's not

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that everyone's just inherently bad, that people believe

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that these people have the right to rule

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over them. So to touch on the point

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your your point about the consent of the

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governed and and why that is an illusion

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and what it means and, you know, in

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a context even of a democracy that's really

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just the mob having rule over what you

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say. So break that down for people. Right.

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Well, picture there's a king. There's 1 king.

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He bosses people around. He steals their stuff.

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And people go, hey. We don't really like

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this. And then he goes, oh, they're getting

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kind of upset.

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I'm gonna let them choose between me and

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my brother

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who's gonna rule them and boss them around

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and take their stuff. We're still gonna boss

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them around and take their stuff, but then

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we're gonna tell them, well, because we let

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you choose

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which bully was gonna brutalize you on a

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regular basis, that sort of means you're in

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charge, and it sort of means you consented.

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So democracy

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I mean, people are like, well, at least

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it's democracy. Democracy is the best trick tyrants

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have ever come up with

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because it gives the people the illusion that

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they have some say in the matter, that

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they're being represented

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or that

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it's by their consent when none of that's

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true. And they have no say in the

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matter at all.

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But the reason for the tyrant to do

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that is because if people have think they

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have no influence within the system, they tend

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to, like, have revolutions

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or at least just disobey and, like, we're

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gonna sneak over here and not tell the

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master what we're doing.

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But if

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if they can keep the focus on,

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we'll have this election and have these bicker

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and and

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get the the livestock into 2 groups who

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are yelling at each other. We want our

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guy in power. We want our guy in

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power.

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It's it's literally just managing human livestock.

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Mhmm. And that that's what the the movie

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Jones Plantation is about that we made.

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And so

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as long as people think the institution is

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legitimate and they play these stupid games,

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they lose because they've already accepted the premise

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that somebody has the right to rule them.

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They're just bickering over who.

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And if you if you start with that

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premise, you already lost. You've already agreed that

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you're somebody else's property, basically.

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Now you're just whining about which person it's

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gonna be. Right.

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And what a lot of here's the thing

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that a lot of pro freedom people don't

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even like to hear.

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It's very easy

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to point at Washington DC or wherever and

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point at these crooks and go, they're evil

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psychos. They're causing all these problems, blah blah

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blah. And they are evil psychos, and they

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are causing lots of problems.

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The thing is all of their power

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comes from the belief of their subjects. Right.

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And people don't want to think, like, democrats

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can point at the system and go, this

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is unfair. Republicans

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can point at the system and go, this

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is unfair.

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Everybody political can do that. None of them

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want to admit that their belief system is

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why this is happening. Right. And democracy is

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a a fine example because people say, well,

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if we vote really hard and I say,

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okay. If 49%

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of voters

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voted to, like, end some tax, does it

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end? No.

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If 10%

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of people being taxed just go, not giving

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you my money anymore,

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that's the end. It doesn't matter who's in

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power. It doesn't matter what the legislation says.

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It's the people's belief that they're obligated to

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obey,

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which makes their focus beyond begging the masters

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for permission to be free. Right. And if

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you have to beg somebody else for permission

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to be free, you're already not free. Right.

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Exactly.

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Good. And that is the heart and soul

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of politics, and that's why most of the

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people who go rah rah rah on pro

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freedom,

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they don't get that as long as they

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believe that government is a legitimate thing,

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they are the problem.

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And not on purpose, not because they're malicious,

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but because they've been duped into believing this

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superstition of political

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authority

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where they think, well, of course, we're gonna

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have a ruling class. Now let's bicker about

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what it's allowed to do and who should

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be in control of it. It's like you

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already lost. Like, as soon as the game

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board was set, you had already lost

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because you already accepted the premise

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that you're gonna have a ruler

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and that they'll hide that under, well, it's

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representative and blah blah blah. It's a ruler.

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They tell you what you can do, and

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they decide how much of your paycheck they

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will let you keep,

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and then they say we represent you. Right.

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Like, if I went to you personally and

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said, from now on, I'm deciding how much

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of your paycheck I'm gonna take

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every time you get a paycheck. But don't

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worry. I'm serving you and rep like,

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in any other context, everybody would recognize that

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as utterly insane.

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But because this is a belief system they've

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been surrounded by their entire life, they think,

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well, it's this must be real. Like, government

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must be legitimate. We can bicker about the

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details, but

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we can't, like, throw out the entire idea.

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And then the only candidate throws out the

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idea. Yeah. Well,

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you called it what hand me down belief,

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so I thought that was pretty a good

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way to put that, any idea of people.

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But, you know, what what I think the

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foundational point that I really want people to

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listen to here is that as you highlight

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that, yes, these people are evil, they these

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rulers.

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But it's if without the belief that they

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have that authority over our lives, this would

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not be the dynamic. Now you can obviously

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and maybe you can address the idea that

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there would be some level of of force

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or consequence.

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Right? Well, you're not listening. I'm gonna put

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you in jail. But the point is if

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it actually became a mass action

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to a certain degree, enough people saying we

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just don't acknowledge your authority, you know, that

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that's the obvious point there is that they

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wouldn't have it if we didn't give that

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to them. But so I guess that's since

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I bring it up, address that point there

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is, like, how would that look? Let's say

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99% of the grouping of just, let's say,

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the United States or the world said, you

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know, we don't acknowledge your authority. Wouldn't there

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then be an immediate response of force? And

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then how do you deal with that in

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that moment?

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No. Because their enforcers are us too. Congressman

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aren't out there beating people up and collecting

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their taxes.

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They're using the livestock to enforce it on

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the other livestock. Right. And so it it's

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totally a numbers game. If one person says,

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well, I don't acknowledge your authority, they might

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get a tank in their living room. Like,

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that's not gonna go well.

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But it's a numbers game when enough people

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don't believe, and it doesn't have to be

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everybody. It doesn't have to be a majority.

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It is so easy for a pretty small

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minority of a country to just disobey a

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law out of existence. And there's Mhmm. Lots

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of historical examples. Like in the US, we

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have alcohol prohibition

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that just it became unenforceable because people were

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just like, we don't really feel obligated to

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go along with this. So we're gonna do

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this. In fact, we so much don't feel

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obligated that we're gonna start to shoot your

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revenuers when they, like, try to find our

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stills and stuff. Yeah. And it's like,

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the people in power are thinking,

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yeah, not only are they shooting at us,

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but most of the other people are going,

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yeah, the revenuers kinda deserved it.

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When the victims don't accept their victimization,

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it becomes really hard to control them. And

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so

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not even 99, but if 50% of the

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people in the country in the US said,

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we're just not paying taxes, we're not gonna

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hide. We're not gonna report anything. You're not

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gonna do withholding. We're not gonna give you

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any money. That's

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over 50,000,000 people. What are you gonna do

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about it? And the answer is absolutely nothing.

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Yeah. Like, financially, logistically speaking, yeah, you're that

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there I don't think that would be possible.

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The consequence would be too bad damaging for

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the entire system. Right? It's, like, it's an

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excellent point. Well, to what you said a

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moment ago, though, about alcohol, cannabis

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is an interesting part in that conversation, though.

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Right? Because we you're you that's a example

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of what you're saying. Clearly,

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they just explicit resistance, they it just now

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it's just kind of by default legal in

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most places, but the federal government has still

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maintained the illegality. So it's like in this

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middle quasi zone. Is that kind of like

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the new dynamic? Like, how do you get

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that? That's kinda where I see that going

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is they just kinda let you do it,

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but then you're still allowing them to have

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the ability to enforce on you. You know?

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It's interesting. Right. It it's funny because the

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the people in power like, I've said a

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1000000 times, the only thing they care about

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is what they can get away with. They

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don't care, like, when people protest, we don't

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like this. Were you under the impression that

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any of them care? Whether you they're literally

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stealing your paycheck. You think they care whether

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you want that to happen?

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So it's just about what they can get

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away with. So they're not thinking, well, they're

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not even thinking like, well, who's gonna vote

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for whatever, because the 2 parties are the

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same thing anyway. They're basically thinking resistance versus

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compliance.

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Like, can we keep doing this? Mhmm. So

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when it came to to marijuana, because the

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mentality had shifted so much and almost everybody

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was like, okay. Whether or not I like

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the habit, caging peep kicking on their doors

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and caging people for having a plant. That's

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just bonkers.

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And so when the mentality of the people

529
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isn't on the side of you're all horrible

530
00:18:40,945 --> 00:18:43,684
criminals because you smoke weed or something,

531
00:18:44,009 --> 00:18:45,230
it becomes unenforceable.

532
00:18:45,529 --> 00:18:47,289
And the thing is at some point, if

533
00:18:47,289 --> 00:18:49,630
they try to make an example of somebody

534
00:18:50,089 --> 00:18:52,250
when the mentality is shifted too far in

535
00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:53,070
the other direction,

536
00:18:53,609 --> 00:18:56,170
they trigger a way worse backlash than if

537
00:18:56,170 --> 00:18:58,330
they just quietly let it happen. So right

538
00:18:58,330 --> 00:18:59,630
now, you see the feds

539
00:19:00,144 --> 00:19:01,744
quietly letting it happen in a lot of

540
00:19:01,744 --> 00:19:04,224
states, including Arizona where I am, where the

541
00:19:04,224 --> 00:19:06,244
state said, yeah. We're fine with weed, whatever.

542
00:19:06,545 --> 00:19:08,464
The feds are like, well, technically, it's illegal,

543
00:19:08,464 --> 00:19:10,464
but we're not really gonna do anything because

544
00:19:10,464 --> 00:19:12,464
we know that's gonna go really badly for

545
00:19:12,464 --> 00:19:12,964
us.

546
00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:15,730
And Just real quick. Just right there, just

547
00:19:15,730 --> 00:19:18,049
a vivid anybody can acknowledge the example of

548
00:19:18,049 --> 00:19:19,809
what you're highlighting right there that simply the

549
00:19:19,809 --> 00:19:21,109
act of of,

550
00:19:21,570 --> 00:19:23,490
civil disobedience, if you will, just saying we're

551
00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:25,809
not gonna comply, has caused that to be

552
00:19:25,809 --> 00:19:27,414
now the reality. Now I guess what I

553
00:19:27,414 --> 00:19:29,115
was saying before would even be ill illogical

554
00:19:29,494 --> 00:19:31,095
based on your point that they can still

555
00:19:31,095 --> 00:19:32,535
enforce what they want to. The point then

556
00:19:32,535 --> 00:19:33,894
I would argue that you probably would say

557
00:19:33,894 --> 00:19:35,494
is that the reality is they don't exist.

558
00:19:35,494 --> 00:19:37,255
It's illegitimate. It's not it's an illusion that

559
00:19:37,255 --> 00:19:38,934
they even have that power. And the the

560
00:19:38,934 --> 00:19:40,695
fact that we don't acknowledge it, then it

561
00:19:40,695 --> 00:19:42,640
no longer matters. I get that's I'm I'm

562
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,160
just coming together with that right now. That's

563
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,000
it's fascinating. And I I think most peep

564
00:19:46,079 --> 00:19:46,880
this is what I was saying in the

565
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,599
beginning. Most people are going like, yes. Yes.

566
00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:51,119
Like, this is connecting for me right now

567
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,700
than I've ever seen before. It's it's powerful.

568
00:19:54,105 --> 00:19:56,585
There's another very important element that that a

569
00:19:56,585 --> 00:19:58,184
lot of people don't think of. They they

570
00:19:58,184 --> 00:20:01,005
view the cops as enemies for good reason.

571
00:20:01,384 --> 00:20:03,804
It's like they're enemies of freedom, like, 99%

572
00:20:04,105 --> 00:20:04,924
of the time.

573
00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:08,250
But they don't actually think through the mentality

574
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:10,869
of these are people. Sometimes it's hard to

575
00:20:10,869 --> 00:20:14,309
remember that. Mhmm. But these are people. They're

576
00:20:14,309 --> 00:20:17,430
blindly obedient obedient people doing immoral stuff on

577
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:18,490
a regular basis.

578
00:20:19,445 --> 00:20:21,684
They need to feel like what they're doing

579
00:20:21,684 --> 00:20:23,625
is righteous too. Right.

580
00:20:23,924 --> 00:20:25,845
If they start to enforce it and the

581
00:20:25,845 --> 00:20:28,805
entire population says, you suck. We hate you.

582
00:20:28,805 --> 00:20:30,565
What you're doing is not good. You can

583
00:20:30,565 --> 00:20:32,424
call it law all you want.

584
00:20:32,859 --> 00:20:35,259
We still all hate you. Mhmm. At some

585
00:20:35,259 --> 00:20:37,579
point, whether it's just the pressure or the

586
00:20:37,579 --> 00:20:40,319
stress or maybe even a trace of conscience,

587
00:20:40,619 --> 00:20:42,940
if they have such a thing, they go,

588
00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:45,579
I don't wanna do this. People Ayn Rand

589
00:20:45,579 --> 00:20:47,714
coined the phrase, the sanction of the victim

590
00:20:47,875 --> 00:20:48,615
many years

591
00:20:49,075 --> 00:20:51,315
ago where she she was describing the fact

592
00:20:51,315 --> 00:20:52,855
that the victims of authoritarianism

593
00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:56,294
talk as if they're bad if they disobey.

594
00:20:57,234 --> 00:20:59,394
So it's not just, oh, they're gonna hurt

595
00:20:59,394 --> 00:20:59,894
us.

596
00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:02,849
It's, oh, I he broke the law. All

597
00:21:02,849 --> 00:21:04,690
the people around him go tsk, tsk, and

598
00:21:04,690 --> 00:21:06,690
he goes, I'm so ashamed. Well, did he

599
00:21:06,690 --> 00:21:09,329
hurt anybody? No. It's just some stupid arbitrary

600
00:21:09,329 --> 00:21:10,549
victimless law.

601
00:21:10,929 --> 00:21:13,429
The fact that all the people including him

602
00:21:13,875 --> 00:21:17,075
feel bad for disobeying them, that's where their

603
00:21:17,075 --> 00:21:18,214
power comes from.

604
00:21:18,515 --> 00:21:19,795
But if you get to a point where

605
00:21:19,795 --> 00:21:22,454
all the people feel perfectly justified in disobeying

606
00:21:22,755 --> 00:21:24,595
and the tyrants are like, well, we're gonna

607
00:21:24,595 --> 00:21:25,414
enforce it.

608
00:21:25,809 --> 00:21:27,890
If the people decide, well, we're gonna stop

609
00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:29,349
you from enforcing it

610
00:21:29,650 --> 00:21:31,670
and everybody is on our side,

611
00:21:32,289 --> 00:21:34,369
it's over. And that's why you see things

612
00:21:34,369 --> 00:21:37,009
like, the Bundy ranch Mhmm. Where the feds

613
00:21:37,009 --> 00:21:37,670
show up.

614
00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:39,835
And And a bunch of people showed up

615
00:21:39,835 --> 00:21:41,835
with guns, and the feds are like, okay.

616
00:21:41,835 --> 00:21:43,054
Bye. Yeah.

617
00:21:43,434 --> 00:21:45,534
It had nothing to do with that particular,

618
00:21:45,595 --> 00:21:47,434
like, can we win this shootout? Well, they

619
00:21:47,434 --> 00:21:48,954
have handlock out there and stuff. They could

620
00:21:48,954 --> 00:21:51,134
have won it. What they couldn't have done

621
00:21:51,309 --> 00:21:53,230
is 1, the thing that happened a week

622
00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:55,869
later when 3,000,000 more people said, this isn't

623
00:21:55,869 --> 00:21:57,410
okay. Here we come with guns.

624
00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,349
Mhmm. That's what they're gauging is how much

625
00:22:00,349 --> 00:22:02,430
is the livestock gonna actually put up with?

626
00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:04,369
How much are they gonna comply? Now

627
00:22:04,694 --> 00:22:05,994
the the forcible

628
00:22:06,454 --> 00:22:06,954
resistance

629
00:22:07,255 --> 00:22:08,474
isn't even necessary

630
00:22:09,174 --> 00:22:11,174
when enough people just go, I'm just not

631
00:22:11,174 --> 00:22:13,174
going along with this. Yeah. And there there's

632
00:22:13,174 --> 00:22:16,234
so many very sad examples in history of

633
00:22:16,869 --> 00:22:20,549
literally if the people hadn't volunteered to walk

634
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:22,390
to the train and get on the box

635
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:22,890
cars,

636
00:22:23,349 --> 00:22:24,869
millions of lives would have been saved. If

637
00:22:24,869 --> 00:22:26,789
they just said, okay. You can kill me.

638
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:28,230
Not even gonna fight back, but you have

639
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:29,289
to carry me there.

640
00:22:29,825 --> 00:22:32,144
That all by itself would have saved 1,000,000

641
00:22:32,144 --> 00:22:33,744
of now I'm all in favor of, like,

642
00:22:33,744 --> 00:22:35,664
shoot the psychos who show up to put

643
00:22:35,664 --> 00:22:37,525
you in a boxcar to haul you away.

644
00:22:38,144 --> 00:22:40,224
But even if they just said, well, we're

645
00:22:40,224 --> 00:22:43,045
not gonna help you to victimize us.

646
00:22:43,619 --> 00:22:45,720
Just that is so powerful.

647
00:22:46,099 --> 00:22:48,980
And I'm I'm definitely not a pacifist, but

648
00:22:48,980 --> 00:22:50,039
Gandhi demonstrated

649
00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:51,720
what happens

650
00:22:52,339 --> 00:22:55,059
when, like, a 100 however many 100000000 people

651
00:22:55,059 --> 00:22:57,445
just say, we're gonna keep doing our thing.

652
00:22:57,505 --> 00:22:59,445
You can send thugs and beat us up,

653
00:22:59,744 --> 00:23:01,424
and we're gonna keep doing our thing. And

654
00:23:01,424 --> 00:23:04,644
we outnumber you about gazillion to 1. Eventually,

655
00:23:05,105 --> 00:23:07,664
literally, your thugs are gonna get too tired

656
00:23:07,664 --> 00:23:10,400
to keep beating us up. Right. And eve

657
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960
again, I fully believe in self defense, but

658
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,799
even with none of that, them just saying

659
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:16,880
we're not obeying. We have no obligation to

660
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,640
do what you're saying. We're gonna like, in

661
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,400
that example, we're gonna go to the sea

662
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,480
and collect our own salt, and you can

663
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,115
beat us up, And you can look up

664
00:23:24,115 --> 00:23:25,554
and see a line of us going as

665
00:23:25,554 --> 00:23:27,255
far as the eye can see and realize

666
00:23:27,315 --> 00:23:29,954
we're done. We can't enforce this. You can

667
00:23:29,954 --> 00:23:31,335
beat them up all day long.

668
00:23:31,634 --> 00:23:33,795
We're still not making a dent because we

669
00:23:33,795 --> 00:23:36,440
don't believe in the obligation to obey. Right.

670
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,680
And that's why, historically, it's it's a common

671
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,960
tab. You know, this a lot of people

672
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,480
know this too, but don't connect these two

673
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,200
points that that in any historical kind of

674
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,799
shift of power, it usually is a shift

675
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,480
with the enforcement arm. Right? Where the police

676
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,644
or the military suddenly go, okay. Well, we're

677
00:23:49,644 --> 00:23:51,404
shifting, and then, you know, that that they

678
00:23:51,404 --> 00:23:52,924
no longer have the enforcement arm of that

679
00:23:52,924 --> 00:23:54,684
illusion. And so that's the point right there

680
00:23:54,684 --> 00:23:56,464
is that if we can get these people,

681
00:23:56,765 --> 00:23:58,845
to to recognize that what they're doing is

682
00:23:58,845 --> 00:24:00,684
illegitimate or immoral, then, you know, that there's

683
00:24:00,684 --> 00:24:01,884
a point in shift right there. And I

684
00:24:01,884 --> 00:24:03,539
think that to some degree may be happening,

685
00:24:03,539 --> 00:24:04,659
but I think this is where the whole

686
00:24:04,659 --> 00:24:06,980
political dynamic comes into play where they identify

687
00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:08,740
with a certain side. We can get to

688
00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:09,700
that in a second. You know? And I

689
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:11,960
think that's Right. Go ahead. But

690
00:24:12,259 --> 00:24:14,659
because the belief of the people is so

691
00:24:14,659 --> 00:24:17,005
huge, like, people think, well, who gets elected

692
00:24:17,005 --> 00:24:18,924
matters and what they legislate. None of that

693
00:24:18,924 --> 00:24:20,945
matters if the people don't feel an obligation

694
00:24:21,005 --> 00:24:23,644
to obey. Mhmm. But because people are so

695
00:24:23,644 --> 00:24:25,904
focused on the the political circus,

696
00:24:26,605 --> 00:24:27,345
they miss

697
00:24:27,724 --> 00:24:28,224
hugely

698
00:24:28,605 --> 00:24:31,880
significant events. And to me, the the two

699
00:24:33,299 --> 00:24:33,799
most

700
00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:34,680
significant

701
00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:38,119
stories I can think of in American history

702
00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:41,619
are barely mentioned by any. One is a

703
00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:43,380
few years back, there was a poll that

704
00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:45,295
asked people if you could cheat on your

705
00:24:45,295 --> 00:24:47,215
taxes and not pay the IRS and get

706
00:24:47,215 --> 00:24:47,955
away with it,

707
00:24:48,414 --> 00:24:50,115
do would you feel bad about that?

708
00:24:50,734 --> 00:24:52,755
And more than half people said no,

709
00:24:53,055 --> 00:24:55,715
which means they're only paying out of fear.

710
00:24:56,095 --> 00:24:58,750
Right. And that was a huge change from,

711
00:24:58,750 --> 00:25:00,670
like, 10 years earlier where they did the

712
00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:03,390
poll and the vast majority said, I I'm

713
00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:05,070
proud to pay my taxes and blah blah

714
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:07,950
blah. Just that mentality shift, even if all

715
00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:09,090
the people are complying,

716
00:25:09,974 --> 00:25:12,295
if you have a population that doesn't want

717
00:25:12,295 --> 00:25:14,474
to comply and feels no obligation to comply,

718
00:25:14,855 --> 00:25:16,694
you're this far from the collapse of the

719
00:25:16,694 --> 00:25:17,194
empire.

720
00:25:17,575 --> 00:25:20,214
And the second story, which people noticed more

721
00:25:20,214 --> 00:25:21,194
during the ridiculous

722
00:25:21,654 --> 00:25:23,275
ridiculous COVID circus

723
00:25:23,819 --> 00:25:26,140
was where a whole bunch of sheriffs, including

724
00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:27,599
a couple here in in,

725
00:25:28,619 --> 00:25:31,679
Arizona, like Yavapai County just north of us,

726
00:25:32,059 --> 00:25:34,059
where the governor's going, we're shutting down this,

727
00:25:34,059 --> 00:25:35,579
and we're doing masks. And the and the

728
00:25:35,579 --> 00:25:37,259
sheriff came out and said, no. We're not.

729
00:25:37,259 --> 00:25:39,244
Right. Right. You're not right, dude. That would

730
00:25:39,724 --> 00:25:41,484
when you're in the position of and that

731
00:25:41,484 --> 00:25:41,984
is

732
00:25:42,365 --> 00:25:42,865
monumental.

733
00:25:43,644 --> 00:25:45,565
When you're in the position of the tyrant

734
00:25:45,565 --> 00:25:47,424
and your own enforcers go,

735
00:25:47,964 --> 00:25:49,505
yeah. No. We're not doing that.

736
00:25:49,884 --> 00:25:51,884
Don't worry about it, guys. We're not doing

737
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:52,230
that.

738
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:55,450
That is enormous because if your own enforcers

739
00:25:56,069 --> 00:25:57,849
are starting to question legitimacy,

740
00:25:58,150 --> 00:25:59,669
even if it's not you know, they're not

741
00:25:59,669 --> 00:26:01,990
questioning the legitimacy of the entire game or

742
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:04,250
they wouldn't still be law enforcement.

743
00:26:04,734 --> 00:26:06,815
Mhmm. But if there's any point at which

744
00:26:06,815 --> 00:26:08,974
the enforcers go, yeah, the higher ups told

745
00:26:08,974 --> 00:26:10,414
us to do this and we're just not

746
00:26:10,414 --> 00:26:12,434
going to, that is humanity

747
00:26:12,734 --> 00:26:15,134
winning out over the belief and authority in

748
00:26:15,134 --> 00:26:16,434
a huge way,

749
00:26:16,815 --> 00:26:19,394
and that is becoming more and more routine.

750
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:22,539
And, you know, obviously, there are plenty of

751
00:26:22,539 --> 00:26:23,039
of

752
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:24,319
badge wearing

753
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:27,179
thugs still out there beating people up on

754
00:26:27,179 --> 00:26:28,400
behalf of the politicians,

755
00:26:29,179 --> 00:26:30,779
but there's more and more who are at

756
00:26:30,779 --> 00:26:33,179
least capable of thinking, should we really be

757
00:26:33,179 --> 00:26:35,164
doing this? Right. And maybe if we get

758
00:26:35,164 --> 00:26:37,565
together and we tell the politicians, no. We're

759
00:26:37,565 --> 00:26:39,664
not doing this either. Like, why would we

760
00:26:40,045 --> 00:26:41,964
aside from everything else, why would we risk

761
00:26:41,964 --> 00:26:45,271
our necks enforcing this absolutely idiotic thing Yeah.

762
00:26:45,378 --> 00:26:46,945
To put ourselves in danger

763
00:26:47,404 --> 00:26:49,319
just because politicians made up some

764
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,019
ridiculous decree,

765
00:26:51,399 --> 00:26:53,960
we're not doing that either because the people

766
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,759
don't feel obligated to obey, and we don't

767
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:58,599
wanna, like, have a shootout with the people

768
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:00,440
just because they won't do some dumb thing

769
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,484
that that guy told them to do. And

770
00:27:02,484 --> 00:27:05,044
when even the enforcers are having that inner

771
00:27:05,044 --> 00:27:05,544
dialogue

772
00:27:05,924 --> 00:27:07,765
Yeah. Whose in power are in deep doo

773
00:27:07,765 --> 00:27:09,605
doo. And we're see and we're seeing similar

774
00:27:09,605 --> 00:27:11,765
things in foreign policy in multiple countries, actually,

775
00:27:11,765 --> 00:27:13,765
but the United States in particular where less

776
00:27:13,765 --> 00:27:15,630
people enjoy the military. And I think that's

777
00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:17,630
a pretty I think that's more obvious than

778
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:20,769
the than the, you know, local police discussion

779
00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:22,589
where pretty much I mean, I don't I

780
00:27:22,589 --> 00:27:24,829
don't even know. Very few military people I

781
00:27:24,829 --> 00:27:26,109
speak to that have, you know, been there

782
00:27:26,109 --> 00:27:27,630
and come home have nice things to say

783
00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:29,150
about the government. You know? It's it's very

784
00:27:29,150 --> 00:27:30,910
interesting, and I think that's a growing problem

785
00:27:30,910 --> 00:27:32,164
for them in this. But I was I

786
00:27:32,164 --> 00:27:33,444
was actually gonna ask you about that, and

787
00:27:33,444 --> 00:27:34,744
I'm glad you said that because,

788
00:27:35,125 --> 00:27:37,204
I think, you know but I think the

789
00:27:37,204 --> 00:27:38,884
historical point you make is that most people

790
00:27:38,884 --> 00:27:40,325
comply out of the idea that they think,

791
00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:42,244
as you highlighted, that that's just the right

792
00:27:42,244 --> 00:27:44,005
thing to do. But I I agree, and

793
00:27:44,005 --> 00:27:45,605
I'm glad you highlighted that that today, I

794
00:27:45,605 --> 00:27:48,059
see it far more, my my personal perspective,

795
00:27:48,059 --> 00:27:49,819
out of just fear for what the consequences

796
00:27:49,819 --> 00:27:51,179
will be. And I think that leads to

797
00:27:51,179 --> 00:27:53,259
what you're saying is about just highlighting that

798
00:27:53,259 --> 00:27:55,179
we can simply just resist this or push

799
00:27:55,179 --> 00:27:58,460
back and and not obey these illegitimate things.

800
00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:59,500
And so when that goes back to the

801
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:01,839
illusion of authority, and as you said before,

802
00:28:02,134 --> 00:28:03,494
that it really just another way to frame

803
00:28:03,494 --> 00:28:05,575
it is that most think, like, because of

804
00:28:05,575 --> 00:28:08,075
these dynamics that, like, obedience is a virtue.

805
00:28:08,215 --> 00:28:09,654
And I think this is something that people

806
00:28:09,654 --> 00:28:11,654
are recognizing as a problem. And I wanted

807
00:28:11,654 --> 00:28:13,494
to ask you, like, how do you how

808
00:28:13,494 --> 00:28:15,174
is it possible that we can even have

809
00:28:15,174 --> 00:28:17,674
that perspective that obeying government

810
00:28:18,289 --> 00:28:20,690
just as a general concept, even though we

811
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:22,690
talk about evil bad guy governments all the

812
00:28:22,690 --> 00:28:24,869
time, is somehow the right thing to do

813
00:28:24,929 --> 00:28:26,690
when history has shown. Like, just taking World

814
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:28,130
War 2, for example. Like, how is that

815
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:29,890
something we still pretend makes sense with how

816
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:32,474
much history we have around governments being the

817
00:28:32,474 --> 00:28:34,575
focal point of the problem even by the

818
00:28:34,795 --> 00:28:36,154
the the view by the view of, like,

819
00:28:36,154 --> 00:28:37,994
the American government today? They'll point at Iran

820
00:28:37,994 --> 00:28:39,434
and the rest of them. So how do

821
00:28:39,434 --> 00:28:41,195
you think how does that make sense? It

822
00:28:41,275 --> 00:28:44,234
it's funny because it's massively hypocritical. Like, there's

823
00:28:44,234 --> 00:28:46,654
so much about the American culture today

824
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,500
that's about the underdogs resisting the authoritarian

825
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,039
control freaks. Right. And we go rah rah

826
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,380
rah on July 4th. You know, most Americans

827
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,539
ignore the fact that we're way

828
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,680
less free than we were as a British

829
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,059
colony, but whatever.

830
00:29:01,375 --> 00:29:03,214
But they still go rah rah rah about

831
00:29:03,214 --> 00:29:04,815
a revolution, about a bunch of people who

832
00:29:04,815 --> 00:29:06,174
said, we're not gonna obey you anymore. And

833
00:29:06,174 --> 00:29:07,534
if you try to enforce it, we're gonna

834
00:29:07,534 --> 00:29:09,375
shoot at you. And they go rah rah

835
00:29:09,375 --> 00:29:10,894
rah, and they go rah rah for v

836
00:29:10,894 --> 00:29:12,815
for Vendetta, and they go rah rah rah

837
00:29:12,815 --> 00:29:14,894
for the matrix and Braveheart and all these

838
00:29:14,894 --> 00:29:16,255
movies where they go rah rah rah for

839
00:29:16,255 --> 00:29:16,914
the underdog,

840
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:19,690
illegally resisting authority,

841
00:29:20,629 --> 00:29:22,069
and then they go and brag about how

842
00:29:22,069 --> 00:29:23,369
they're law abiding taxpayers.

843
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:25,690
And so

844
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:29,210
we're seeing the wearing away of the indoctrination,

845
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:32,804
but there's still this chunk left there that

846
00:29:32,804 --> 00:29:34,265
has been so ingrained

847
00:29:34,964 --> 00:29:36,984
in generation after generation

848
00:29:38,244 --> 00:29:40,644
that even most people who go rah rah

849
00:29:40,644 --> 00:29:43,045
rah for particular acts of disobedience, they go,

850
00:29:43,045 --> 00:29:44,804
well, yeah. But you need government and you

851
00:29:44,804 --> 00:29:46,700
have to have law and you need so

852
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,019
they haven't looked at the underlying problem. They

853
00:29:49,019 --> 00:29:51,420
can look at certain symptoms and go, well,

854
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:53,500
in that case, we should disobey. Like, you'll

855
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,579
get conservatives who say, well, if they come

856
00:29:55,579 --> 00:29:56,079
to,

857
00:29:56,619 --> 00:29:58,700
you know, seize my firearms, I'm not handing

858
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,079
them over. Okay?

859
00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:00,960
Good.

860
00:30:01,985 --> 00:30:02,805
And yet

861
00:30:03,184 --> 00:30:05,505
you still feel obligated to obey and you

862
00:30:05,505 --> 00:30:07,505
go rah rah if somebody gets arrested for

863
00:30:07,505 --> 00:30:09,125
smoking pot or something. Mhmm.

864
00:30:09,745 --> 00:30:10,245
Because

865
00:30:11,424 --> 00:30:14,065
people have this disconnect because they're they've been

866
00:30:14,065 --> 00:30:14,565
indoctrinated

867
00:30:14,865 --> 00:30:16,769
into this. I mean, I'm sure plenty of

868
00:30:16,769 --> 00:30:18,950
your listeners know of the the Prussian indoctrination

869
00:30:19,169 --> 00:30:19,669
system.

870
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:21,269
Mhmm. We've been trained

871
00:30:21,569 --> 00:30:23,269
to think, like, deliberately,

872
00:30:23,649 --> 00:30:25,029
openly. They described

873
00:30:25,329 --> 00:30:25,990
the purpose

874
00:30:26,369 --> 00:30:27,589
of the Prussian indoctrination

875
00:30:27,890 --> 00:30:30,390
system, which is the foundation of all western

876
00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:31,455
schooling,

877
00:30:32,315 --> 00:30:34,795
the purpose was to deprive the individual of

878
00:30:34,795 --> 00:30:36,955
his free will, to make him just be

879
00:30:36,955 --> 00:30:39,615
a a malleable thing that will do whatever

880
00:30:40,075 --> 00:30:42,475
the the the authority figure tells them to.

881
00:30:42,475 --> 00:30:44,910
That that was their stated goal of the

882
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:46,769
system. They said so out loud

883
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:48,509
back in a, you know, in a time

884
00:30:48,509 --> 00:30:49,950
and place where you could say that and

885
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:51,490
you wouldn't be, like,

886
00:30:51,869 --> 00:30:53,650
thrown into a chipper or something.

887
00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:56,509
They just openly said that. We still have

888
00:30:56,509 --> 00:30:57,250
that system,

889
00:30:57,924 --> 00:31:00,244
but we also have this culture that is

890
00:31:00,244 --> 00:31:00,744
very,

891
00:31:01,525 --> 00:31:02,505
like, vigorously

892
00:31:02,805 --> 00:31:04,184
pushing anti authoritarian.

893
00:31:05,045 --> 00:31:07,785
And it's just most people still haven't noticed

894
00:31:08,404 --> 00:31:11,305
that a basic thing about their belief system,

895
00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:13,809
like, anybody who says, well, yeah, but we

896
00:31:13,809 --> 00:31:14,950
need some government,

897
00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:18,130
you still have the problem inside your head.

898
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:19,190
Right. You can recognize

899
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:21,650
the symptoms of the problem and go, well,

900
00:31:21,650 --> 00:31:23,589
that's bad and that's bad and this authoritarian

901
00:31:23,809 --> 00:31:26,049
corruption and that warmongering, and I don't like

902
00:31:26,049 --> 00:31:27,534
this and but we need

903
00:31:28,115 --> 00:31:28,615
government.

904
00:31:29,194 --> 00:31:31,034
And it takes a while for people to

905
00:31:31,034 --> 00:31:33,134
be able to step back enough to go,

906
00:31:33,595 --> 00:31:36,234
the whole thing is illegitimate. The concept is

907
00:31:36,234 --> 00:31:38,714
it. The problem is not that the wrong

908
00:31:38,714 --> 00:31:40,255
person is on the throne.

909
00:31:40,769 --> 00:31:42,849
The problem is there's a throne. Why is

910
00:31:42,849 --> 00:31:45,730
there a throne? Right. Why is anybody nobody

911
00:31:45,730 --> 00:31:47,650
should be on that thing. Right. And the

912
00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:49,809
thing is a lot of people have seen

913
00:31:49,809 --> 00:31:51,970
so many symptoms now, especially in the the

914
00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:53,190
the COVID circus

915
00:31:54,065 --> 00:31:55,505
that a lot of them are starting to

916
00:31:55,505 --> 00:31:58,625
to actually catch glimpses of the problem underneath

917
00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:00,384
and go, do they have any right to

918
00:32:00,384 --> 00:32:03,025
do anything? Maybe they don't. Right. And so,

919
00:32:03,025 --> 00:32:04,964
yeah, it it to what you said,

920
00:32:05,265 --> 00:32:07,904
early on, very much matches my experience and

921
00:32:07,904 --> 00:32:09,505
the experience of a lot of people I

922
00:32:09,505 --> 00:32:11,700
know because a lot of people relay to

923
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:13,460
me. They're like, you know, I've been trying

924
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:15,299
to tell my family this stuff for years,

925
00:32:15,299 --> 00:32:16,580
and now all of a sudden, some of

926
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:19,400
them are listening to me. Yeah. It's fantastic.

927
00:32:20,259 --> 00:32:22,759
Yeah. The tyrants got so ridiculous

928
00:32:23,605 --> 00:32:26,744
in their control freakism and just so transparently

929
00:32:27,365 --> 00:32:28,184
corrupt and

930
00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:29,625
insane

931
00:32:30,484 --> 00:32:32,484
that even a lot of people who were

932
00:32:32,484 --> 00:32:35,284
there, like loyal faithful livestock are now going,

933
00:32:36,164 --> 00:32:38,849
something's wrong. And it isn't just, I like

934
00:32:38,849 --> 00:32:41,589
that guy more than this guy. There's something

935
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:44,609
way bigger has to change. And I and

936
00:32:44,609 --> 00:32:45,890
I would point out too that one of

937
00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:47,890
the op the the logical like, let's just

938
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:49,890
say we effectively break this down entirely in

939
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:51,674
the United States. That what what I can

940
00:32:51,674 --> 00:32:54,335
already see is people looking to other representations.

941
00:32:54,554 --> 00:32:56,794
Like, they they they still can't get past

942
00:32:56,794 --> 00:32:58,394
the idea. The whole point you're making that

943
00:32:58,394 --> 00:33:00,794
government itself, authority itself is the illusion. It

944
00:33:00,794 --> 00:33:02,794
is illegitimate. Not this one versus that one,

945
00:33:02,794 --> 00:33:04,634
but entirely. And the problem is you worry

946
00:33:04,634 --> 00:33:06,289
that people might see it as, you know,

947
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:07,890
the US was the evil bad guy and

948
00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:09,410
the pro oh, but the brics nations are

949
00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:10,609
the ones that are gonna save us. You

950
00:33:10,609 --> 00:33:12,049
know? And that's that's still part of the

951
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:13,570
problem as I as I know you're highlighting

952
00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:15,329
right now, and that's that's concerning. And, you

953
00:33:15,329 --> 00:33:17,089
know, it's like so let's actually bring this

954
00:33:17,089 --> 00:33:19,794
into the the election kind of dynamic because

955
00:33:19,794 --> 00:33:21,634
that's all kind of the same problem, seeing

956
00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:23,554
that as the out of the say of

957
00:33:23,554 --> 00:33:25,075
the we're in a problem created by the

958
00:33:25,075 --> 00:33:26,434
government, then we're looking to the government to

959
00:33:26,434 --> 00:33:28,355
solve that problem. So you as you as

960
00:33:28,355 --> 00:33:29,714
you said in in your book, the the

961
00:33:29,714 --> 00:33:32,080
pro I'm kinda paraphrasing. The problem is not

962
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320
that evil people believe in authority, but that

963
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,059
basically good people do and end up advocating

964
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,680
for evil believing it's the right thing to

965
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,600
do. And in your book, you make it

966
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,360
in, in in actually, in the introduction, you

967
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,045
make an important point that I think is

968
00:33:45,045 --> 00:33:46,725
that had really stood out to me. And,

969
00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:49,045
again, paraphrasing it. It's most will read about

970
00:33:49,045 --> 00:33:51,125
the horrors committed in our name around the

971
00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:52,565
world and wish for it to stop as

972
00:33:52,565 --> 00:33:54,565
I'm sure most people do. But you but

973
00:33:54,565 --> 00:33:57,144
you suggest that their own beliefs are responsible

974
00:33:57,205 --> 00:33:58,984
for even contributing to this horror

975
00:33:59,289 --> 00:34:00,730
And that that that that if if you

976
00:34:00,730 --> 00:34:02,970
suggest to them that their beliefs are responsible

977
00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:04,809
or at least part of this problem, they'll

978
00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:06,569
dismiss it or even attack you for bringing

979
00:34:06,569 --> 00:34:08,409
it up. And as you point out, most

980
00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:11,150
would literally rather die than objectively

981
00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:14,214
reconsider their own belief system. So this brings

982
00:34:14,214 --> 00:34:16,775
us into the voting election 2024 lesser of

983
00:34:16,775 --> 00:34:18,534
evils dynamic. And it's because, I mean, for

984
00:34:18,534 --> 00:34:20,135
me, this is, like, the problem of the

985
00:34:20,295 --> 00:34:22,474
I mean, I'm bumping up against this everywhere

986
00:34:22,695 --> 00:34:25,514
where people are simply resistant to even considering

987
00:34:25,655 --> 00:34:27,894
something outside of that dynamic and, really, that

988
00:34:27,894 --> 00:34:28,394
ultimately,

989
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,880
you know, even if you're providing facts and

990
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,079
backing it up. Like, so could you just

991
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:33,360
speak to that in the first point about

992
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,260
people that are

993
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,800
unwilling to address or even consider that their

994
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,500
beliefs might be part of this problem?

995
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,219
Yeah. Because that's that's uncomfortable.

996
00:34:42,605 --> 00:34:43,565
Yep. I do I would,

997
00:34:44,045 --> 00:34:45,885
Amanda and I did a course called candles

998
00:34:45,885 --> 00:34:47,404
in the dark where we teach a method

999
00:34:47,404 --> 00:34:48,784
of talking to to

1000
00:34:49,484 --> 00:34:51,484
normal people about these things in a way

1001
00:34:51,484 --> 00:34:53,644
that doesn't immediately trigger them and make them

1002
00:34:53,644 --> 00:34:54,144
defensive.

1003
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:57,820
The problem is if somebody identifies themself with

1004
00:34:57,820 --> 00:34:59,280
their political beliefs

1005
00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:02,219
Mhmm. They don't want to be told you're

1006
00:35:02,219 --> 00:35:02,719
evil.

1007
00:35:03,099 --> 00:35:05,980
You're advocating evil. They're not trying to advocate

1008
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:06,480
evil.

1009
00:35:07,114 --> 00:35:08,014
And if somebody

1010
00:35:08,554 --> 00:35:10,875
is painting their political beliefs as evil, they

1011
00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:12,554
don't wanna hear it because they think, no.

1012
00:35:12,554 --> 00:35:13,994
I'm a good guy. I want good things.

1013
00:35:13,994 --> 00:35:15,755
I want truth and justice and yada yada

1014
00:35:15,755 --> 00:35:16,255
yada.

1015
00:35:16,554 --> 00:35:18,474
So the ones I want in power, that

1016
00:35:18,474 --> 00:35:20,219
that would be good. The government I want,

1017
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,780
the ideal thing that I want authority used

1018
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:25,440
for, that would be for perfectly fine.

1019
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:28,559
And the inability to let go of that

1020
00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:30,800
is just a matter of

1021
00:35:31,340 --> 00:35:32,480
lack of familiarity.

1022
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:35,734
They've never seen a world where they've never

1023
00:35:35,734 --> 00:35:37,815
lived a life where they weren't somebody else's

1024
00:35:37,815 --> 00:35:38,315
livestock.

1025
00:35:38,775 --> 00:35:40,614
Mhmm. They don't see it anywhere in the

1026
00:35:40,614 --> 00:35:42,614
world. Now in their day to day lives,

1027
00:35:42,614 --> 00:35:43,914
they they're volunteerists.

1028
00:35:44,375 --> 00:35:46,214
They interact with all their neighbors. They're not,

1029
00:35:46,214 --> 00:35:48,219
like, robbing their neighbors and stuff. They do

1030
00:35:48,219 --> 00:35:49,759
voluntary trades and stuff.

1031
00:35:50,219 --> 00:35:52,219
But within the set of well, of course,

1032
00:35:52,219 --> 00:35:54,299
we need government, and this is our country,

1033
00:35:54,299 --> 00:35:55,739
and you have to obey the laws and

1034
00:35:55,739 --> 00:35:56,799
yada yada yada.

1035
00:35:57,179 --> 00:35:58,799
And it's way too uncomfortable

1036
00:35:59,454 --> 00:36:01,135
to think that I mean, this is just

1037
00:36:01,135 --> 00:36:04,574
psychology 101. In almost every dispute between any

1038
00:36:04,574 --> 00:36:05,315
two people,

1039
00:36:05,775 --> 00:36:08,174
nobody wants to think, am I the problem

1040
00:36:08,174 --> 00:36:09,855
here? Am I the one that made this

1041
00:36:09,855 --> 00:36:12,380
hat? Like, I didn't try to. Mhmm. But

1042
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,380
even if somebody means well, because I think

1043
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:16,619
most voters mean well even when they're screaming

1044
00:36:16,619 --> 00:36:19,420
at each other. Mhmm. They don't wanna accept

1045
00:36:19,420 --> 00:36:22,460
the possibility that those that massive corruption and

1046
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:25,414
the warmongering and all that stuff, their belief

1047
00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:27,494
system is what makes that possible.

1048
00:36:27,954 --> 00:36:29,815
And if somebody still believes in government,

1049
00:36:30,114 --> 00:36:32,614
your belief system is what makes that possible.

1050
00:36:32,914 --> 00:36:35,155
Right. Not my own right, but any belief

1051
00:36:35,155 --> 00:36:37,235
in government. That's what people even hear that

1052
00:36:37,235 --> 00:36:39,800
right now. Right. And that's and I'll I

1053
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,039
sometimes point it out this way that the

1054
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:42,539
idea

1055
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,660
of representative government versus corruption,

1056
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,820
the only difference is somebody calls it representative

1057
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:50,619
government

1058
00:36:51,035 --> 00:36:52,255
when authoritarian

1059
00:36:52,555 --> 00:36:54,255
violence is used to their benefit.

1060
00:36:54,555 --> 00:36:56,015
Right. And they call it corruption

1061
00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:58,394
when it's used for somebody else's benefit to

1062
00:36:58,394 --> 00:37:00,875
their debt. It's the same thing. Right. If

1063
00:37:00,875 --> 00:37:03,055
you you if violence was used to benefit

1064
00:37:03,114 --> 00:37:04,021
you, you're just the beneficiary of corruption, so

1065
00:37:04,021 --> 00:37:04,064
you want to call it something else. Mhmm.

1066
00:37:04,064 --> 00:37:05,135
So the Democrats and

1067
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:05,980
corruption,

1068
00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:06,760
so you want to call it something else.

1069
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,239
Mhmm. So the Democrats and Republicans and everybody

1070
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:09,687
who vote, they want authoritarian violence used to

1071
00:37:09,687 --> 00:37:11,400
benefit themselves. Tax those people and pay for

1072
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,139
this thing.

1073
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,900
And then they wind that it's corruption

1074
00:37:19,355 --> 00:37:21,434
when they lose the game and somebody else

1075
00:37:21,434 --> 00:37:22,815
got it, so they were robbed.

1076
00:37:23,114 --> 00:37:24,875
And to be able to back up enough

1077
00:37:24,875 --> 00:37:25,534
to go,

1078
00:37:25,835 --> 00:37:28,014
I want nobody robbed

1079
00:37:29,034 --> 00:37:31,514
is, like, a huge process, and it it's

1080
00:37:31,514 --> 00:37:32,255
an uncomfortable

1081
00:37:32,554 --> 00:37:34,734
thing for a lot of people, myself included,

1082
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:36,739
to go through, to realize,

1083
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,840
to be a moral human being, I cannot

1084
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,980
support government.

1085
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,500
Mhmm. Because by definition, to support any candidate,

1086
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,099
any government, including tiny little monarchist government,

1087
00:37:48,505 --> 00:37:50,744
I'm saying I want this thing there that's

1088
00:37:50,744 --> 00:37:53,085
going to forcibly rob tax

1089
00:37:53,545 --> 00:37:55,784
my neighbors for things that I want. I

1090
00:37:55,784 --> 00:37:57,224
don't have the right to do that. I

1091
00:37:57,224 --> 00:37:58,984
can't give anybody else the right to do

1092
00:37:58,984 --> 00:38:01,465
that. Right. But being able to back up

1093
00:38:01,465 --> 00:38:01,965
enough

1094
00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:05,220
to actually advocate freedom because everyone wants their

1095
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:05,880
own freedom.

1096
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:08,280
It just they don't want everybody else's freedom.

1097
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:09,700
Mhmm. Like, I should be free to do

1098
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:11,380
what I want, but you're being taxed and

1099
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:13,239
controlled in the way I want government

1100
00:38:13,539 --> 00:38:14,414
controlling you.

1101
00:38:14,974 --> 00:38:16,894
And it's it's the ring of power. It's

1102
00:38:16,894 --> 00:38:18,114
it's the the Tolkien's

1103
00:38:18,414 --> 00:38:20,515
ring of power is the perfect example

1104
00:38:21,934 --> 00:38:23,855
of you have this way to control people,

1105
00:38:23,855 --> 00:38:25,795
and almost nobody would go,

1106
00:38:26,094 --> 00:38:27,839
I don't want it. Yeah. I don't want

1107
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:30,000
to control other people. I want them to

1108
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,599
be free as much as I want me

1109
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:32,420
to be free.

1110
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,920
And the control freaks know full well as

1111
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,619
long as you can trick the people

1112
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,859
into believing power is legitimate,

1113
00:38:40,655 --> 00:38:42,894
you can very easily pit them against each

1114
00:38:42,894 --> 00:38:43,394
other

1115
00:38:44,175 --> 00:38:46,494
bickering over how the power should be used.

1116
00:38:46,494 --> 00:38:48,734
This group wants that group robbed and dominated,

1117
00:38:48,734 --> 00:38:49,714
and this group Right.

1118
00:38:50,335 --> 00:38:52,494
But they'll both be in favor of robbery

1119
00:38:52,494 --> 00:38:54,734
and domination, and every voter is in favor

1120
00:38:54,734 --> 00:38:57,889
of robbery and domination. Right. And 0% of

1121
00:38:57,889 --> 00:38:59,730
them would admit it. And and Keith, what

1122
00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:00,289
you make

1123
00:39:01,170 --> 00:39:02,609
sorry. So Keith, what you make is that

1124
00:39:02,609 --> 00:39:04,690
is that the only reason and I I

1125
00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:06,369
agree that I think most people at least

1126
00:39:06,369 --> 00:39:07,730
want good or try to be in that

1127
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:09,984
direction. And the only reason that they're okay

1128
00:39:09,984 --> 00:39:12,065
by thinking that is they think that they

1129
00:39:12,065 --> 00:39:14,625
accept the idea that allowing this entity to

1130
00:39:14,625 --> 00:39:16,144
rob your neighbor is simply what you're supposed

1131
00:39:16,144 --> 00:39:18,065
to do. It's virtuous. It's good. It's it's

1132
00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:19,824
the law. Right? And I think that's the

1133
00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:21,344
big issue right there is that people just

1134
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,200
I think most people, like you're saying, they

1135
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,039
they feel uncomfortable about it when they look

1136
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:26,880
into it. They research, and they just fall

1137
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,800
back on, well, that's what's supposed to happen.

1138
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,079
You know? And this this is the crux

1139
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:31,360
of the problem. We need to get past

1140
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,860
this.

1141
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,420
Yeah. And there's so much indoctrination

1142
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,595
involved. And one of the things I've sort

1143
00:39:36,595 --> 00:39:38,675
of accidentally learned a whole bunch about along

1144
00:39:38,675 --> 00:39:40,355
the because I've been at Voluntary East now

1145
00:39:40,355 --> 00:39:41,575
for 28 years.

1146
00:39:42,835 --> 00:39:44,755
And I accidentally learned a whole bunch about

1147
00:39:44,755 --> 00:39:45,255
psychology

1148
00:39:45,635 --> 00:39:47,155
along the way of, like, how do people

1149
00:39:47,155 --> 00:39:47,974
believe these

1150
00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:50,539
these beliefs don't even match their own beliefs.

1151
00:39:50,539 --> 00:39:52,219
It's not just they have this belief in

1152
00:39:52,219 --> 00:39:53,760
mind as this. It

1153
00:39:54,219 --> 00:39:56,619
they they have contradictions inside their own heads.

1154
00:39:56,619 --> 00:39:58,239
How do they not notice that?

1155
00:39:58,619 --> 00:40:01,280
And I've I've developed ways to basically

1156
00:40:01,755 --> 00:40:04,174
gently make and I'm not always gentle, obviously,

1157
00:40:04,635 --> 00:40:07,594
but gently make people notice. Like, if somebody

1158
00:40:07,594 --> 00:40:09,835
says I'm for reasonable gun control, blah blah

1159
00:40:09,835 --> 00:40:12,074
blah. And I say, okay. If I if

1160
00:40:12,074 --> 00:40:13,375
I own an AR 15,

1161
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:15,369
which I do as it happens,

1162
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:18,469
and you got that law passed, you petitioned

1163
00:40:18,469 --> 00:40:19,829
or whatever, and they pass a law that

1164
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:22,010
says, normal people aren't allowed to own these.

1165
00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:23,849
What do you wanna have done to me?

1166
00:40:24,869 --> 00:40:27,430
And immediately, you can see their brain going

1167
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:29,545
to backtrack and, like, well, I wanna I

1168
00:40:29,545 --> 00:40:31,625
wanna say the fluffy stuff. Well, I just

1169
00:40:31,625 --> 00:40:33,224
think we need a well, you have to

1170
00:40:33,224 --> 00:40:36,025
obey the law. Okay? If I don't, for

1171
00:40:36,025 --> 00:40:38,025
whatever reason like, I haven't threatened or hurt

1172
00:40:38,025 --> 00:40:38,525
anybody,

1173
00:40:39,065 --> 00:40:41,065
but I say I'm not gonna obey that.

1174
00:40:41,065 --> 00:40:43,224
What do you personally want done to me?

1175
00:40:43,224 --> 00:40:44,284
Do you want them

1176
00:40:44,699 --> 00:40:46,219
kicking down my door and dragging me away

1177
00:40:46,219 --> 00:40:47,440
and putting me in a cage?

1178
00:40:48,139 --> 00:40:50,859
And you can see by the discomfort in

1179
00:40:50,859 --> 00:40:51,359
99%

1180
00:40:51,739 --> 00:40:54,300
of people who were 2 seconds ago, we

1181
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:56,539
gotta ban these guns. Mhmm. Well, what does

1182
00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:58,619
that literally mean? And when you try to

1183
00:40:58,619 --> 00:41:00,925
make them literally describe what

1184
00:41:01,864 --> 00:41:04,265
what happened they don't disappear because somebody wrote

1185
00:41:04,265 --> 00:41:06,105
a law. What happens when somebody what do

1186
00:41:06,105 --> 00:41:08,125
you want to have happen if somebody disobeys?

1187
00:41:08,824 --> 00:41:10,265
Well, I think in their mind, they've got

1188
00:41:10,265 --> 00:41:11,945
the criminal. Right? They don't see you. They

1189
00:41:11,945 --> 00:41:13,224
see a criminal. And that's and then when

1190
00:41:13,224 --> 00:41:15,119
you confront you you put yourself in that

1191
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,719
position, I think that's part of what triggers

1192
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,800
it. Right. Right. Because then you make it

1193
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,639
personal, and you make it beyond them. If

1194
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:22,480
it were up to you, and I said,

1195
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,559
I haven't threatened anybody. I haven't hurt anybody.

1196
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,159
I'm keeping this. I think I have a

1197
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:28,234
right to. Even if you think I'm wrong,

1198
00:41:28,454 --> 00:41:30,154
what do you wanna have happen to me?

1199
00:41:30,454 --> 00:41:32,135
And it's it's not just gun control. It's

1200
00:41:32,135 --> 00:41:33,434
literally every single

1201
00:41:33,734 --> 00:41:34,234
political

1202
00:41:35,014 --> 00:41:37,974
agenda of anybody, including just taxing people. Like,

1203
00:41:37,974 --> 00:41:39,654
well, I think we should have property taxes

1204
00:41:39,654 --> 00:41:41,514
to pay for schools. Okay. If I say

1205
00:41:41,769 --> 00:41:43,289
I don't have kids, I don't even like

1206
00:41:43,289 --> 00:41:45,550
what the school is teaching. I'm not paying.

1207
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:47,369
What do you want to have done to

1208
00:41:47,369 --> 00:41:47,869
me?

1209
00:41:48,489 --> 00:41:50,890
And the reality is, like, eventually, sheriff will

1210
00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:53,289
show up and steal the house. Yeah. But

1211
00:41:53,289 --> 00:41:55,550
people don't like to say that, but that's

1212
00:41:56,054 --> 00:41:59,175
that's actually a a very good sign. Because

1213
00:41:59,175 --> 00:42:01,414
if people were just power happy sociopaths, they'd

1214
00:42:01,414 --> 00:42:02,614
go, well, I want this law, and if

1215
00:42:02,614 --> 00:42:04,694
you disobey, they should kill you. Like, that

1216
00:42:04,694 --> 00:42:06,375
would be the honest I mean, it'd be

1217
00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:08,474
insane and evil, but it would be honest

1218
00:42:08,775 --> 00:42:09,514
and consistent.

1219
00:42:10,139 --> 00:42:11,900
The fact that they go, well, I mean,

1220
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:13,659
you have to obey the law. There would

1221
00:42:13,659 --> 00:42:14,400
be consequences.

1222
00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:16,880
Well, yeah, I know. I'm asking what consequences

1223
00:42:17,179 --> 00:42:17,679
you

1224
00:42:18,059 --> 00:42:20,559
would want there to be on me.

1225
00:42:21,099 --> 00:42:23,260
The fact that they back off almost every

1226
00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:24,539
single tie every once in a while, I

1227
00:42:24,539 --> 00:42:26,775
guess, I wanna go full fascist, But almost

1228
00:42:26,835 --> 00:42:28,135
everybody backs off

1229
00:42:28,594 --> 00:42:31,954
because they don't actually want the literal reality

1230
00:42:31,954 --> 00:42:32,695
of government.

1231
00:42:33,074 --> 00:42:35,315
Right. They want the fluffy rhetoric that makes

1232
00:42:35,315 --> 00:42:37,474
them feel good without having to look at

1233
00:42:37,474 --> 00:42:38,855
what they're really condoning.

1234
00:42:39,315 --> 00:42:40,994
Right. And the reason that's such a good

1235
00:42:40,994 --> 00:42:43,630
sign is that's when their conscience comes up

1236
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:44,210
and goes,

1237
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:46,690
I'm not gonna say I want you killed

1238
00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:48,530
if you don't. That's insane.

1239
00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:50,910
So I'll have to, like, try to sort

1240
00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:52,269
things out in my brain and do tap

1241
00:42:52,269 --> 00:42:53,170
dancing around.

1242
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:55,010
That battle

1243
00:42:55,309 --> 00:42:55,809
inside,

1244
00:42:56,244 --> 00:42:59,065
you know, billions of individuals, the battle between

1245
00:42:59,764 --> 00:43:02,085
your own conscience and the crap you were

1246
00:43:02,085 --> 00:43:02,984
taught about authority,

1247
00:43:03,284 --> 00:43:05,284
that is the only battle that matters for,

1248
00:43:05,284 --> 00:43:06,744
like, the future of humanity,

1249
00:43:07,125 --> 00:43:08,585
not to be overly dramatic.

1250
00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:12,090
When enough people choose their own conscience and

1251
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:14,570
go, yeah. This is wrong. I I don't

1252
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:16,989
have to obey authority when they do that.

1253
00:43:17,289 --> 00:43:19,449
When enough people do that, that is the

1254
00:43:19,449 --> 00:43:21,070
end of of oppression.

1255
00:43:21,505 --> 00:43:23,664
Right. They can't oppress if we don't give

1256
00:43:23,664 --> 00:43:25,344
them power, and we don't give them power

1257
00:43:25,344 --> 00:43:28,085
if we stop feeling an obligation to obey.

1258
00:43:28,465 --> 00:43:29,824
Right. And I think what this one of

1259
00:43:29,824 --> 00:43:31,505
the main things this really should show people

1260
00:43:31,585 --> 00:43:33,025
and I think, I always credit I think

1261
00:43:33,025 --> 00:43:34,784
Caitlin Johnstone made a great analogy about this

1262
00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:35,984
a while back that I always think of.

1263
00:43:35,984 --> 00:43:37,230
But that, you know, it's

1264
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:39,550
they know that we want good. That as

1265
00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:41,630
as as by and large, the majority of

1266
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:43,389
the world, I think, are just or take

1267
00:43:43,389 --> 00:43:45,650
the country now, a point from the US,

1268
00:43:45,789 --> 00:43:48,030
want good. That's why they pretend to do

1269
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:49,869
good and scream freedom and democracy while they

1270
00:43:49,869 --> 00:43:51,230
kill people. You know? And so I think

1271
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:52,724
that's what's so interesting is that

1272
00:43:53,204 --> 00:43:55,037
it it that we can see that this

1273
00:43:55,037 --> 00:43:56,666
is an entity masquerading as good when we

1274
00:43:56,666 --> 00:43:58,005
really want good. And I think it just

1275
00:43:58,005 --> 00:43:59,364
shows you the core nature of what we're

1276
00:43:59,364 --> 00:44:01,364
fighting for here, that people genuinely want that.

1277
00:44:01,364 --> 00:44:02,644
And I think that's what you're highlighting there

1278
00:44:02,644 --> 00:44:04,164
is that most people will go, oh, woah.

1279
00:44:04,164 --> 00:44:06,150
Wait a minute. I am I am being

1280
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:07,510
I am this is wrong. I feel wrong

1281
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:09,109
about this. And I I just love this,

1282
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:10,550
and I think that it's important to continue

1283
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:12,150
to to kind of tease this out. Now

1284
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:13,989
I I wanted to go to the election

1285
00:44:13,989 --> 00:44:14,730
part again

1286
00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:17,829
in regard to the next part of what

1287
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:19,109
I was gonna get into around this. So

1288
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:20,550
what we were saying before is that people

1289
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:23,085
just can't seem to reconcile, like, that, you

1290
00:44:23,085 --> 00:44:25,005
know, your your beliefs may be in fact

1291
00:44:25,005 --> 00:44:26,605
part of why this is a problem. People

1292
00:44:26,605 --> 00:44:28,365
will push away from that. But in regard

1293
00:44:28,365 --> 00:44:29,885
to the, the in in I wanted to

1294
00:44:29,885 --> 00:44:31,324
read something here that that I thought was

1295
00:44:31,324 --> 00:44:32,065
really important

1296
00:44:32,525 --> 00:44:34,125
that you put you put you said people

1297
00:44:34,125 --> 00:44:36,285
are so accustomed to engaging in the cult

1298
00:44:36,285 --> 00:44:38,679
rituals collectively referred to as politics,

1299
00:44:39,059 --> 00:44:42,260
voting, lobbying, petitioning, campaigning, that any suggestion that

1300
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:44,739
they not bother participating in such pointless and

1301
00:44:44,739 --> 00:44:45,139
import,

1302
00:44:45,619 --> 00:44:48,739
in in impotent endeavors amounts in their eyes

1303
00:44:48,739 --> 00:44:51,195
to suggesting that they do nothing. And my

1304
00:44:51,195 --> 00:44:53,035
god is this something that we're constantly dealing

1305
00:44:53,035 --> 00:44:54,635
with right now is that we're going, okay.

1306
00:44:54,635 --> 00:44:56,635
Okay. Well, we've got a whole lot of

1307
00:44:56,635 --> 00:44:57,914
other things you could do that might even

1308
00:44:57,914 --> 00:44:59,675
have more effect on the outcome. And it's

1309
00:44:59,675 --> 00:45:01,355
just the response. It's like, oh, you're black

1310
00:45:01,355 --> 00:45:03,114
pill. Oh, I I'm never gonna pass your

1311
00:45:03,114 --> 00:45:04,394
purity test. Those are the key things we

1312
00:45:04,394 --> 00:45:06,400
keep seeing. And it's mind blowing to me.

1313
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,840
Both again the fact that we got this

1314
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,440
response now even though we've been saying this

1315
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,440
for a decade, but it's so important to

1316
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,360
see how you know, it it really let's

1317
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,800
put it this way. How what would you

1318
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,559
say to people in that mindset? Let's just

1319
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:18,900
say for sake of conversation somebody that genuinely

1320
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:20,239
would want to hear what you have to

1321
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,224
say and it is simply going that's you're

1322
00:45:22,224 --> 00:45:23,585
telling me to do nothing if I'm not

1323
00:45:23,585 --> 00:45:25,125
voting. What would you say to that person?

1324
00:45:25,985 --> 00:45:27,985
Well, there there's a lot of approaches. It

1325
00:45:28,065 --> 00:45:29,664
part of it depends on sort of what

1326
00:45:29,664 --> 00:45:31,925
level of philosophical thought they're at.

1327
00:45:32,304 --> 00:45:34,224
But the thing that works for almost everybody

1328
00:45:34,224 --> 00:45:37,019
is if they ran literally the 2 worst

1329
00:45:37,019 --> 00:45:38,400
per people in the world,

1330
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:40,079
would you still vote?

1331
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:44,700
And, like, you're so best case scenario is

1332
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:46,940
you're trying to put the 2nd worst person

1333
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:49,099
in the world in the power over yourself

1334
00:45:49,099 --> 00:45:51,535
and over me. Right. Would you still do

1335
00:45:51,535 --> 00:45:53,535
it in that case? Just to get them

1336
00:45:53,535 --> 00:45:55,394
to think, okay. At some point,

1337
00:45:55,695 --> 00:45:57,695
we have to not play this game. Yeah.

1338
00:45:57,695 --> 00:45:59,554
And then back it up and say,

1339
00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:02,930
if this person that you're voting for, if

1340
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:05,250
they weren't running against somebody that you're even

1341
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:06,930
more scared over you, hate them even more,

1342
00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:08,530
think they suck even more, and they're even

1343
00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:09,670
more corrupt or whatever,

1344
00:46:10,450 --> 00:46:12,530
if it was just the choices where this

1345
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:15,010
person has power over you or that person

1346
00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:17,190
doesn't have power over you, that's it,

1347
00:46:17,885 --> 00:46:20,385
Would you give that person, Trump, Kamala, whoever,

1348
00:46:21,005 --> 00:46:23,344
would you give that person power over you

1349
00:46:23,885 --> 00:46:25,804
if your options were give them power or

1350
00:46:25,804 --> 00:46:28,284
don't give them power? Mhmm. And everybody would

1351
00:46:28,284 --> 00:46:29,885
be like, well, yeah. I don't don't really

1352
00:46:29,885 --> 00:46:31,324
want Trump to be able to tax me

1353
00:46:31,324 --> 00:46:34,410
either. Mhmm. Okay. So what you're telling me

1354
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:36,630
is all they have to do to trick

1355
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:37,130
you

1356
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:40,010
into advocating your own victimization

1357
00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:44,309
is put another person up there that you

1358
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:45,450
like even less,

1359
00:46:45,804 --> 00:46:47,644
and then you're going to cheer for your

1360
00:46:47,644 --> 00:46:48,465
own victimization

1361
00:46:49,164 --> 00:46:51,485
by somebody you don't trust and you don't

1362
00:46:51,485 --> 00:46:53,485
like and you don't wanna have power over

1363
00:46:53,485 --> 00:46:55,565
you. And you're gonna go in and press

1364
00:46:55,565 --> 00:46:57,244
a button to try to put them into

1365
00:46:57,244 --> 00:46:59,244
a position where they have power over you.

1366
00:46:59,244 --> 00:47:01,630
That's all they had to do to make

1367
00:47:01,630 --> 00:47:04,690
you personally vote against your own interests

1368
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:07,409
by telling you these are your options,

1369
00:47:07,949 --> 00:47:09,230
punch in the face or kick in the

1370
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:11,469
crotch. Like, you don't have to choose 1.

1371
00:47:11,469 --> 00:47:14,110
You're free. We're representing you. You consented to

1372
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:16,289
it because we'll give you 2 choices.

1373
00:47:17,344 --> 00:47:19,905
But it's still hard because it's so easy

1374
00:47:19,905 --> 00:47:20,565
for people.

1375
00:47:21,184 --> 00:47:23,284
And the fact that now it's all

1376
00:47:23,744 --> 00:47:26,385
fear on both sides. Like, nobody's voting for

1377
00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:28,464
anybody. They're all voting because they're even more

1378
00:47:28,464 --> 00:47:29,764
scared of the other one.

1379
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:32,699
It used to be that politicians were slick

1380
00:47:32,699 --> 00:47:34,539
enough that they get, oh, I have this

1381
00:47:34,539 --> 00:47:36,860
vision for America and then spew a bunch

1382
00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:38,000
of socialist nonsense.

1383
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:41,660
But now they've gotten so bad that it's

1384
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:43,264
just a badness competition.

1385
00:47:43,565 --> 00:47:46,224
Like, who's the one you trust even less

1386
00:47:46,684 --> 00:47:47,184
than

1387
00:47:47,484 --> 00:47:50,444
than the other guy? So almost their stated

1388
00:47:50,444 --> 00:47:52,525
campaign at this point. Like, literally pointing at

1389
00:47:52,525 --> 00:47:54,449
the other side. It's it's crazy to me.

1390
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:56,609
Yeah. And the fact that people still fall

1391
00:47:56,609 --> 00:47:58,849
for it. Yeah. And but it is true

1392
00:47:58,849 --> 00:48:00,609
that fewer and fewer people are falling for

1393
00:48:00,609 --> 00:48:03,030
it, and I see it. I I actually

1394
00:48:03,089 --> 00:48:03,589
think

1395
00:48:03,969 --> 00:48:04,710
the reason

1396
00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:07,329
the Trump clown was brought into the circus

1397
00:48:07,329 --> 00:48:09,489
was precisely because nobody was paying attention to

1398
00:48:09,489 --> 00:48:11,894
politics. It's just bunch of lukewarm,

1399
00:48:12,355 --> 00:48:15,315
boring, blah blah blah. Nobody means anything on

1400
00:48:15,315 --> 00:48:17,474
the other side. And if people don't watch

1401
00:48:17,474 --> 00:48:20,194
it and pay attention and focus on the

1402
00:48:20,194 --> 00:48:21,974
the political circus,

1403
00:48:22,434 --> 00:48:24,914
they stop remembering that it matters because it

1404
00:48:24,914 --> 00:48:26,960
doesn't. Right. So they had to bring in

1405
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,460
this clown and jump the shark and do,

1406
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,760
listen to how outlandish she is, and he's

1407
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,559
so anti establishment even though he raises taxes

1408
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,079
and appoints all the same people to all

1409
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:37,454
the same position for power.

1410
00:48:39,614 --> 00:48:41,934
But they had to basically, they had to

1411
00:48:41,934 --> 00:48:44,094
ramp it up to professional wrestling just to

1412
00:48:44,094 --> 00:48:46,735
get people's attention again. So they wanted that

1413
00:48:46,735 --> 00:48:47,235
ridiculous

1414
00:48:47,535 --> 00:48:48,035
drama

1415
00:48:48,575 --> 00:48:50,799
because most of the politicians had just become

1416
00:48:50,799 --> 00:48:53,599
lukewarm blah. Nobody really cares. Nobody's excited, and

1417
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:54,739
nobody's scared.

1418
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,699
They're just sort of, whole government sucks. Whatever.

1419
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,539
So we have to

1420
00:49:00,799 --> 00:49:03,894
literally do what professional wrestling does, which is

1421
00:49:04,034 --> 00:49:06,914
fabricate this rivalry and get everybody riled up.

1422
00:49:06,914 --> 00:49:09,414
Oh, your guy sucks. My guy's awesome.

1423
00:49:10,195 --> 00:49:12,375
And it so it is pathetic that anybody's

1424
00:49:12,434 --> 00:49:13,734
still falling for that.

1425
00:49:14,355 --> 00:49:17,280
But I think it's gotten so ridiculous that

1426
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,280
it's actually helping a lot of people see

1427
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,440
through it. I agree. I would throw in

1428
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,180
the the

1429
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,140
sort of a positive note that as bogus

1430
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,800
as it is for anybody to vote for

1431
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,539
anything, the fact that most people now admit,

1432
00:49:30,144 --> 00:49:31,985
I don't believe in either one, but I'm

1433
00:49:31,985 --> 00:49:33,204
scared of that one more.

1434
00:49:33,744 --> 00:49:36,644
Like, they're basically admitting this whole game sucks.

1435
00:49:37,425 --> 00:49:39,045
But out of desperation,

1436
00:49:39,345 --> 00:49:41,825
I'm gonna try to pick the less sucky

1437
00:49:41,825 --> 00:49:43,925
one. Like, that person

1438
00:49:44,789 --> 00:49:45,530
is at

1439
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:48,150
least closer to giving up the superstition of

1440
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:49,130
authority entirely

1441
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:51,769
than the person's like, oh, FDR,

1442
00:49:52,070 --> 00:49:54,949
all your plans of getting people free stuff.

1443
00:49:54,949 --> 00:49:56,170
You're just god.

1444
00:49:56,594 --> 00:49:58,434
It's like, I'd much rather have the person

1445
00:49:58,434 --> 00:50:00,034
that goes, well, yeah, they both suck and

1446
00:50:00,034 --> 00:50:01,875
they're both corrupt. I'm just more scared of

1447
00:50:01,875 --> 00:50:04,434
that one. Because at least they're in a

1448
00:50:04,434 --> 00:50:06,514
position where they might be able to think

1449
00:50:06,514 --> 00:50:07,014
about

1450
00:50:07,315 --> 00:50:09,300
maybe the whole game has to go, and

1451
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:11,380
maybe you have to stop focusing on it

1452
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:14,099
and empowering it and imagining you have any

1453
00:50:14,099 --> 00:50:14,599
obligation

1454
00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:16,119
to play their games.

1455
00:50:16,579 --> 00:50:18,500
What's interesting though and I I agree with

1456
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:20,260
you actually, but I think what's interesting is

1457
00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:21,940
I tend to get the most pushback. Maybe

1458
00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:23,960
that's just because they internally recognize

1459
00:50:24,405 --> 00:50:26,485
how uncertain they are about that point, but

1460
00:50:26,485 --> 00:50:28,164
from those people where, you know, I get

1461
00:50:28,164 --> 00:50:30,244
that response that, you know, essentially, that, you

1462
00:50:30,244 --> 00:50:31,684
know, what are we the the lesser of

1463
00:50:31,684 --> 00:50:33,364
evils, like, you have to pick her or

1464
00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:35,045
him because the other one's just that bad,

1465
00:50:35,045 --> 00:50:36,664
like, in response to the same conversation.

1466
00:50:37,019 --> 00:50:39,009
And Mhmm. I I basically point out, well,

1467
00:50:39,009 --> 00:50:40,601
that's black pill. Like, I hate even using

1468
00:50:40,601 --> 00:50:42,192
the terms again, but I'm like, you're giving

1469
00:50:42,192 --> 00:50:43,784
up. You're just accepting the dynamic. I'm like,

1470
00:50:43,784 --> 00:50:45,376
well, here are all these other choices. And

1471
00:50:45,376 --> 00:50:46,967
again, same point, well, it's not voting. It

1472
00:50:46,967 --> 00:50:48,559
doesn't matter. But I mean, I I I

1473
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,151
think that's what I would argue is that

1474
00:50:50,151 --> 00:50:51,984
they those people are so, like, they're just

1475
00:50:51,984 --> 00:50:54,304
vulnerable. They're comfortable. They recognize this thing's falling

1476
00:50:54,304 --> 00:50:55,824
apart in front of them, but they still

1477
00:50:55,824 --> 00:50:57,425
want to believe in it. You know? So

1478
00:50:57,425 --> 00:50:58,945
I I still I just I my hardest

1479
00:50:59,025 --> 00:51:00,385
my the thing I have the hardest time

1480
00:51:00,385 --> 00:51:02,324
with is trying to reach those people

1481
00:51:02,625 --> 00:51:04,864
with the idea that there are other actions

1482
00:51:04,864 --> 00:51:07,029
to be taken because they're so convinced that

1483
00:51:07,029 --> 00:51:08,230
this is the end of the world. And,

1484
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:09,909
again, that's the other thing is that not

1485
00:51:09,909 --> 00:51:11,589
just that lesser of evils, but it's always

1486
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:13,670
kind of built on the idea now that

1487
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:15,750
this won't we won't even have an election

1488
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:17,349
if we don't pick this person, and that's

1489
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:19,190
an endless cycle in and of itself. Right?

1490
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:20,089
This just continues.

1491
00:51:20,775 --> 00:51:22,694
Yeah. And that's been happening forever, and they

1492
00:51:22,694 --> 00:51:24,534
just Yeah. They have short memories of the

1493
00:51:24,534 --> 00:51:25,674
union. Of our lifetime.

1494
00:51:26,375 --> 00:51:28,934
Exactly. Every single election is the most important

1495
00:51:28,934 --> 00:51:31,414
of it. And it's always the ridiculous fear

1496
00:51:31,414 --> 00:51:33,734
mongering. That's the other one who wins. It's

1497
00:51:33,734 --> 00:51:34,554
gonna be

1498
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:37,980
it's gonna be Soviet Union. It's like, no.

1499
00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:40,059
It isn't. It's gonna be mostly the same

1500
00:51:40,059 --> 00:51:42,059
stupid stuff and them seeing how much they

1501
00:51:42,059 --> 00:51:44,539
can get away with, which has absolutely nothing

1502
00:51:44,539 --> 00:51:46,380
to do with who you voted for. It

1503
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:48,320
has to do with when you stop complying.

1504
00:51:49,715 --> 00:51:51,175
And, I do think

1505
00:51:51,474 --> 00:51:54,594
I'm I I totally agree that there's often

1506
00:51:54,594 --> 00:51:57,315
that very strong resistance of people to give

1507
00:51:57,315 --> 00:51:58,934
up that last little bit.

1508
00:52:00,114 --> 00:52:02,195
And I try to be patient with limited

1509
00:52:02,195 --> 00:52:02,695
success,

1510
00:52:03,339 --> 00:52:06,139
because I remember being that possession myself Mhmm.

1511
00:52:06,460 --> 00:52:09,099
Where I was still this was 8000 years

1512
00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:10,719
ago, it feels like, with a lifetime,

1513
00:52:11,099 --> 00:52:12,699
where I still believed in politics. And I

1514
00:52:12,699 --> 00:52:14,619
knew the government was totally corrupt and everything

1515
00:52:14,619 --> 00:52:16,139
else, but I'm like, we have in my

1516
00:52:16,139 --> 00:52:17,920
case, it was literally Ross Perot.

1517
00:52:18,364 --> 00:52:20,684
Like, he's different. He's an outsider. He's blah

1518
00:52:20,684 --> 00:52:22,284
blah blah. We have to vote for him,

1519
00:52:22,284 --> 00:52:24,125
which I have to laugh at the old

1520
00:52:24,125 --> 00:52:25,905
me falling for that crap.

1521
00:52:26,525 --> 00:52:28,684
But it's still like, they know something is

1522
00:52:28,684 --> 00:52:30,464
horribly wrong. The thing is

1523
00:52:31,179 --> 00:52:33,760
as long as the system can be dramatically

1524
00:52:34,059 --> 00:52:34,559
changed,

1525
00:52:35,099 --> 00:52:37,420
they don't have to question anything in here.

1526
00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:39,840
Mhmm. They want the problem to be external.

1527
00:52:40,059 --> 00:52:42,380
They want the problem to be something outside

1528
00:52:42,380 --> 00:52:43,760
of them that can change

1529
00:52:44,125 --> 00:52:45,425
because it's way

1530
00:52:45,724 --> 00:52:47,664
more trouble and discomfort

1531
00:52:48,285 --> 00:52:50,704
to have to change your own belief system.

1532
00:52:50,925 --> 00:52:53,244
So almost everybody think, but whatever the problem

1533
00:52:53,244 --> 00:52:55,005
is, it's not me. It's that guy. It's

1534
00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:57,480
those parties. It's these voters. No. It's you.

1535
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,859
If you're voting, it's you. Right. But listen

1536
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,359
to that, ladies and gentlemen. It's not and

1537
00:53:02,359 --> 00:53:03,559
that's not meant to be some kind of

1538
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:05,160
an attack. Like, the reality is that Right.

1539
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,320
If we really wanna see beyond this problem

1540
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,920
and what we're dealing with, you have to

1541
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,000
first acknowledge that you're part of that problem.

1542
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,315
It's the same old idea that you can't

1543
00:53:12,315 --> 00:53:13,914
solve a problem if you haven't first acknowledged

1544
00:53:13,914 --> 00:53:16,155
that it exists. And I think that's obviously

1545
00:53:16,155 --> 00:53:17,835
where we are. So on that note, let's

1546
00:53:17,835 --> 00:53:19,994
talk about, you know, it I mean, again,

1547
00:53:19,994 --> 00:53:22,074
it's it's an abstract discussion, but the idea

1548
00:53:22,074 --> 00:53:23,835
of, like, a of solutions and what might

1549
00:53:23,835 --> 00:53:25,650
be done, like, in this moment. Oh, actually,

1550
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:26,609
I wanted to ask you one thing before

1551
00:53:26,609 --> 00:53:28,130
we go past that and kinda finish on

1552
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:29,969
that is with just voting in general. So,

1553
00:53:29,969 --> 00:53:32,469
obviously, it go it's obvious that the idea

1554
00:53:33,089 --> 00:53:34,530
you that you and I agree with you.

1555
00:53:34,530 --> 00:53:36,849
We see you see government authority all as

1556
00:53:36,849 --> 00:53:38,690
as an illusion. Right? It's it's illegitimate. It

1557
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:41,105
doesn't exist. But within that, we still see

1558
00:53:41,105 --> 00:53:42,784
a process. We still people go out and

1559
00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:43,984
check a box and go through this whole

1560
00:53:43,984 --> 00:53:46,065
dynamic. So even if we're acknowledging that this

1561
00:53:46,065 --> 00:53:46,885
is an illegitimate

1562
00:53:47,505 --> 00:53:49,744
construct in and of itself, do you think

1563
00:53:49,744 --> 00:53:52,625
that voting is an illusion itself, or do

1564
00:53:52,625 --> 00:53:54,639
they still tally this and just how do

1565
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:55,940
you see that in that discussion?

1566
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:57,039
They

1567
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,920
it's funny because in the novel version of

1568
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,159
the Jones Plantation, mister Smith talks about it.

1569
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,320
Like, ultimately, we can fudge the votes if

1570
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,159
we have to, but we don't have to

1571
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,414
because we fudge how people think. And we

1572
00:54:08,414 --> 00:54:10,494
fudge the choices they have, and we make

1573
00:54:10,494 --> 00:54:12,414
it so the choices don't matter. Like, I

1574
00:54:12,414 --> 00:54:14,574
think a bunch of people were surprised that

1575
00:54:14,574 --> 00:54:16,974
the puppet Trump won, and it made no

1576
00:54:16,974 --> 00:54:19,695
difference anyway. Mhmm. It's just like there's there's

1577
00:54:19,695 --> 00:54:21,934
different puppets inside the game who actually can

1578
00:54:21,934 --> 00:54:24,039
hate each other, but they're all loyal to

1579
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:25,579
the game and they all play the game.

1580
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,619
So it's

1581
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,799
the, like, I'm sure they cheat at the

1582
00:54:29,799 --> 00:54:32,199
the voting level too, but mostly, they don't

1583
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:34,039
need to. If they have you voting for

1584
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:35,900
a master, that's all they need.

1585
00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,494
And it's there's a scene in the movie,

1586
00:54:38,554 --> 00:54:40,255
Jones Plantation, where where

1587
00:54:41,355 --> 00:54:43,195
Smith is talking behind the scenes to the

1588
00:54:43,195 --> 00:54:45,835
2 people running for a slave manager, and

1589
00:54:45,835 --> 00:54:47,355
he's they're like, what if it doesn't go

1590
00:54:47,355 --> 00:54:48,954
our way? And he has to explain, it's

1591
00:54:48,954 --> 00:54:51,760
just us. Like, we win either way.

1592
00:54:52,460 --> 00:54:54,139
Our way is the only way as it

1593
00:54:54,139 --> 00:54:57,199
is. Either way, we're still in power. Right.

1594
00:54:58,219 --> 00:54:58,719
And

1595
00:54:59,099 --> 00:55:00,940
it it has to get to a point

1596
00:55:00,940 --> 00:55:03,260
where people understand that if you vote, you

1597
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:03,760
lose.

1598
00:55:04,164 --> 00:55:06,244
If you vote and your guy wins, you

1599
00:55:06,244 --> 00:55:06,744
lost.

1600
00:55:07,045 --> 00:55:08,565
If you vote and your guy lost, you

1601
00:55:08,565 --> 00:55:10,184
lost. Either way, you lost.

1602
00:55:10,484 --> 00:55:12,324
If you vote for a master, you already

1603
00:55:12,324 --> 00:55:15,224
lost. Right. You already advocated your own subjugation

1604
00:55:15,684 --> 00:55:18,090
whether you got the oppressor you wanted or

1605
00:55:18,090 --> 00:55:20,250
whether you got the other oppressor. You already

1606
00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:20,750
lost,

1607
00:55:21,050 --> 00:55:23,530
and you you didn't just do nothing. You

1608
00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:25,470
did something worse than nothing

1609
00:55:26,090 --> 00:55:28,750
because you gave it the appearance of legitimacy.

1610
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:31,849
Now they can say, you can send it.

1611
00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:34,045
If Trump wins and he's taxing you and

1612
00:55:34,045 --> 00:55:35,885
making all these stupid laws like you did

1613
00:55:35,885 --> 00:55:36,945
the first time around,

1614
00:55:37,644 --> 00:55:39,405
and you say, hey. I don't like that.

1615
00:55:39,405 --> 00:55:40,144
Well, gee,

1616
00:55:40,605 --> 00:55:43,324
who voted? Oh, yeah. It was you. You

1617
00:55:43,324 --> 00:55:45,804
put him into power, and now you're complaining

1618
00:55:45,804 --> 00:55:47,965
about what the person in power did. And,

1619
00:55:47,965 --> 00:55:50,440
of course, president's mostly a puppet and does

1620
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:52,220
isn't really deciding much anyway

1621
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,160
on his own, but that's that's another layer

1622
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:55,820
of the

1623
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:57,260
the circus.

1624
00:55:57,559 --> 00:55:58,539
But when people

1625
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,500
when people don't want to accept the responsibility

1626
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,545
of what they voted for, like the people

1627
00:56:03,545 --> 00:56:05,704
who voted for Trump first time. Okay? When

1628
00:56:05,704 --> 00:56:06,924
he made several 100000

1629
00:56:07,625 --> 00:56:09,404
Americans into felons overnight

1630
00:56:10,025 --> 00:56:11,944
by declaring bump stocks illegal

1631
00:56:12,344 --> 00:56:15,144
Right. Like, you you press the button to

1632
00:56:15,144 --> 00:56:16,904
try to put him in the position where

1633
00:56:16,904 --> 00:56:19,070
he did that from. Right? Well yeah. But

1634
00:56:19,070 --> 00:56:20,050
I'm against that.

1635
00:56:20,909 --> 00:56:22,989
So did he ask you did he ask

1636
00:56:22,989 --> 00:56:24,670
for your permission before he did it, or

1637
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:26,590
did you empower the person who did that

1638
00:56:26,590 --> 00:56:28,429
to a bunch of other Americans? And are

1639
00:56:28,429 --> 00:56:30,530
you gonna do it again in November?

1640
00:56:31,905 --> 00:56:34,465
Or or support a a a injection that

1641
00:56:34,465 --> 00:56:36,465
killed untold amounts of people. You know? There's

1642
00:56:36,465 --> 00:56:38,625
just so many different examples. But so what's

1643
00:56:38,625 --> 00:56:40,305
interesting there is it's it you know? Because

1644
00:56:40,305 --> 00:56:41,744
I I'm always talking about the vote in

1645
00:56:41,744 --> 00:56:44,065
the context of, first, what we're saying today,

1646
00:56:44,065 --> 00:56:46,260
but then the idea being that, you know,

1647
00:56:46,340 --> 00:56:48,019
the the voting process I what I say

1648
00:56:48,019 --> 00:56:49,539
simply to put it this way is I

1649
00:56:49,539 --> 00:56:51,219
don't think your vote translates to the outcome.

1650
00:56:51,219 --> 00:56:52,420
There's a reason I say it like that.

1651
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:54,019
For exactly what we're highlighting here is that

1652
00:56:54,019 --> 00:56:55,460
that's just the outcome no matter what the

1653
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:57,619
dynamic is. And so what you're highlighting is

1654
00:56:57,619 --> 00:56:59,445
is that really whether or not they're being

1655
00:56:59,445 --> 00:57:01,045
talented ultimately doesn't matter, which is what we're

1656
00:57:01,045 --> 00:57:03,045
always talking about is because it's there's just

1657
00:57:03,045 --> 00:57:04,724
your government. There's not this or that. It's

1658
00:57:04,724 --> 00:57:06,885
just your government controlling you, and I think

1659
00:57:06,885 --> 00:57:09,204
that's a very clear picture you're making there.

1660
00:57:09,204 --> 00:57:10,724
So in regard to the solution side of

1661
00:57:10,724 --> 00:57:12,519
this, you know, you you the what you

1662
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:14,119
say in the book in general and outlined

1663
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:16,199
very well is that we're talking about not

1664
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:16,699
necessarily

1665
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:19,099
an action needs to be taken or person,

1666
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:21,799
but what things we're not doing or certain

1667
00:57:21,799 --> 00:57:24,014
things that we should not allow to happen.

1668
00:57:24,094 --> 00:57:25,614
So can you outline that and really get

1669
00:57:25,614 --> 00:57:27,214
into what people should be doing right now?

1670
00:57:27,214 --> 00:57:28,734
Like, let's say they've been listening to this,

1671
00:57:28,734 --> 00:57:30,174
and they're just going, okay. This guy gets

1672
00:57:30,174 --> 00:57:31,775
it. I this guy makes sense. What do

1673
00:57:31,775 --> 00:57:33,054
I need to do to start changing in

1674
00:57:33,054 --> 00:57:34,654
this direction? And, you know, I I I

1675
00:57:34,654 --> 00:57:36,094
don't know what you mean about, like, not

1676
00:57:36,094 --> 00:57:37,234
allowing things to happen.

1677
00:57:37,579 --> 00:57:40,219
Right. The the answer is painfully simple, but

1678
00:57:40,219 --> 00:57:42,780
it's still uncomfortable for most people to to

1679
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:44,719
think about because they haven't thought

1680
00:57:45,099 --> 00:57:47,840
inside this template yet. The answer is literally

1681
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:51,199
stop imagining that anybody has special rights,

1682
00:57:51,684 --> 00:57:53,444
period. The end. That's all the world has

1683
00:57:53,444 --> 00:57:55,864
to do. Because the rest of the solution

1684
00:57:56,085 --> 00:57:59,284
is what naturally happens when people don't believe

1685
00:57:59,284 --> 00:58:00,824
in the divine right of politicians.

1686
00:58:01,125 --> 00:58:02,744
Right. Because then they voluntarily

1687
00:58:03,204 --> 00:58:05,944
find ways to to organize and and cooperate.

1688
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:09,210
I actually a number of times, it's been

1689
00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:10,890
ages since I did it, but I did,

1690
00:58:11,130 --> 00:58:11,710
a little

1691
00:58:12,730 --> 00:58:14,969
event thingy called the island where there'll be,

1692
00:58:14,969 --> 00:58:16,570
like, 50 or so people in the room,

1693
00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:18,430
and I'll say, let's say it's just us.

1694
00:58:18,434 --> 00:58:19,954
We're on a desert island. We don't even

1695
00:58:19,954 --> 00:58:21,795
know each other because we didn't. It's like

1696
00:58:21,795 --> 00:58:22,835
a bunch of people who came to a

1697
00:58:22,835 --> 00:58:23,335
dock.

1698
00:58:23,875 --> 00:58:26,035
It's just us, some island. There's lots of

1699
00:58:26,035 --> 00:58:28,195
resources, but nobody knows we're there. There's no

1700
00:58:28,195 --> 00:58:30,675
government. Nobody owns it. It's just us. What

1701
00:58:30,675 --> 00:58:32,480
are we gonna do about it? And we

1702
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,839
go through the process, and we have a

1703
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:35,760
little discussion back and forth of, like, you

1704
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,039
know, some people will go, well, I know

1705
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:38,159
how to hunt. I know how to grow

1706
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:39,519
stuff, and, you know, I know how to

1707
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:41,280
build stuff and whatever. And we go through

1708
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:41,940
a discussion.

1709
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:45,359
That is the answer to the question, but

1710
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:46,819
what do we do without government?

1711
00:58:47,125 --> 00:58:48,344
Mhmm. We have 8,000,000,000

1712
00:58:48,644 --> 00:58:51,204
people decide what to do without government because

1713
00:58:51,204 --> 00:58:53,605
you know what? Nobody has ever suggested in

1714
00:58:53,605 --> 00:58:55,465
any of the times I've ever done that.

1715
00:58:55,844 --> 00:58:57,204
I get to rule you all and hurt

1716
00:58:57,204 --> 00:58:58,585
you if you disobey me.

1717
00:58:59,605 --> 00:59:02,085
In fact, at some point, I will say

1718
00:59:02,085 --> 00:59:02,585
that,

1719
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:05,260
and every single time people laugh at it

1720
00:59:05,260 --> 00:59:08,139
because it's that bonkers. Mhmm. The notion of

1721
00:59:08,139 --> 00:59:10,800
government and authority as necessary or legitimate

1722
00:59:11,339 --> 00:59:13,339
in any other context is bonkers. If we're

1723
00:59:13,339 --> 00:59:15,224
on an island, I go, well, I think,

1724
00:59:15,224 --> 00:59:16,905
first of all, put me in charge and

1725
00:59:16,905 --> 00:59:18,744
give me some enforcers, and I get to

1726
00:59:18,744 --> 00:59:21,224
hurt anybody who disobeys anything I say. And

1727
00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:23,224
people, first of all, chuckle because they realize

1728
00:59:23,224 --> 00:59:26,025
that's insane, and this person can't possibly mean

1729
00:59:26,025 --> 00:59:27,405
it. He's not that bonkers.

1730
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:31,690
It doesn't occur to people

1731
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:33,609
to impose authoritarianism

1732
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:37,030
if they haven't been indoctrinated into it. Now

1733
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:38,630
there are some nasty people who will try

1734
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:40,069
to rob you and boss you around, and

1735
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:42,284
decent people have to, like, defend against that.

1736
00:59:42,444 --> 00:59:44,144
But those are few and far between

1737
00:59:44,605 --> 00:59:47,424
compared to the power of the guy who

1738
00:59:47,484 --> 00:59:49,484
all the good people think they're obligated to

1739
00:59:49,484 --> 00:59:50,625
pay taxes to.

1740
00:59:51,005 --> 00:59:53,484
Like but will they be warmongering? I don't

1741
00:59:53,484 --> 00:59:54,864
know. Will there be 300,000,000

1742
00:59:55,244 --> 00:59:57,905
people giving 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars to psychopaths?

1743
00:59:58,340 --> 01:00:00,420
Yeah. Right. Why would they if they didn't

1744
01:00:00,420 --> 01:00:02,420
feel up? Oh, they wouldn't. So you can

1745
01:00:02,420 --> 01:00:04,440
have a warmonger with $0.

1746
01:00:04,739 --> 01:00:07,079
What's he gonna do? Absolutely nothing.

1747
01:00:07,619 --> 01:00:09,219
As well, as as I always point out

1748
01:00:09,219 --> 01:00:10,420
is, you know, you're

1749
01:00:10,944 --> 01:00:12,625
you will always have danger in your life.

1750
01:00:12,625 --> 01:00:14,224
Government does not remove danger from your life.

1751
01:00:14,224 --> 01:00:15,824
I simply point out it just adds other

1752
01:00:15,824 --> 01:00:17,824
layers and aspects of danger to your life.

1753
01:00:17,824 --> 01:00:19,025
Yeah. I mean, I always point out with,

1754
01:00:19,025 --> 01:00:20,464
like, the police. When's the last time you

1755
01:00:20,464 --> 01:00:21,744
called the police and they were there to

1756
01:00:21,744 --> 01:00:23,105
save you from something that you called them

1757
01:00:23,105 --> 01:00:24,760
for? Like, the reality is it's an after

1758
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,679
the fact concept, and it rarely does address

1759
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:28,859
immediacy of danger. It's your responsibility

1760
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:31,079
to do that. It's just it's incredible that

1761
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:32,599
we can't piece these things through, though. And

1762
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:34,119
I think, again, it comes back to the

1763
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:36,199
the superstition. Right? This and that's the the

1764
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:37,639
word that we should be making sure, like,

1765
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:39,079
you use it. That's really what it comes

1766
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:41,664
down to because superstitions in most cases are

1767
01:00:41,664 --> 01:00:43,605
irrational, and that's what we're dealing with.

1768
01:00:44,065 --> 01:00:46,144
Yeah. And nobody like, the like, the island

1769
01:00:46,144 --> 01:00:46,965
thing demonstrates

1770
01:00:47,664 --> 01:00:50,385
nobody would rationally come up with government as

1771
01:00:50,385 --> 01:00:53,170
the solution to anything. Right. Like, what nobody

1772
01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:54,610
does in those groups. And when I when

1773
01:00:54,610 --> 01:00:56,289
I suggest it, they But who's gonna build

1774
01:00:56,289 --> 01:00:58,390
the roads, Larkin? Who's gonna build the roads?

1775
01:00:58,530 --> 01:01:00,289
That's always the And even that, I'd say,

1776
01:01:00,289 --> 01:01:02,050
well, if we're on an island and we

1777
01:01:02,050 --> 01:01:04,369
wanna path up to the lake or something

1778
01:01:04,369 --> 01:01:05,670
where there's fresh water,

1779
01:01:06,054 --> 01:01:07,494
how do we do it? I know. Put

1780
01:01:07,494 --> 01:01:09,494
me in charge. Let me forcibly control it,

1781
01:01:09,494 --> 01:01:11,175
and they're like, no. Duh. Why would we

1782
01:01:11,175 --> 01:01:13,574
do that? Right. The whole the whole thing

1783
01:01:13,574 --> 01:01:15,015
of what about the roads or what about

1784
01:01:15,015 --> 01:01:16,155
this, what about that,

1785
01:01:17,094 --> 01:01:19,109
and this is something it took me forever

1786
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:20,809
to learn is the psychology

1787
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:24,309
behind that has absolutely nothing to do with

1788
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:26,409
roads or them wanting to understand.

1789
01:01:26,949 --> 01:01:28,089
Right. It's literally

1790
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:31,109
a way that the human brain shifts the

1791
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:34,594
discussion to something comfortable to think about. Mhmm.

1792
01:01:34,734 --> 01:01:37,215
Because if you if it it's and the

1793
01:01:37,215 --> 01:01:38,434
the the

1794
01:01:38,894 --> 01:01:40,594
sort of flippant but nasty

1795
01:01:41,135 --> 01:01:43,454
parallel is, if we don't have slavery, who

1796
01:01:43,454 --> 01:01:45,695
will pick the cotton? Right. You know, that

1797
01:01:45,695 --> 01:01:48,014
doesn't matter as much as ending slavery, even

1798
01:01:48,014 --> 01:01:49,349
if nobody picks the cotton.

1799
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:52,410
But the reason people go, but my roads

1800
01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:55,910
is because it's comfortable talking about the practical

1801
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:58,230
things of, well, how will this happen? It's

1802
01:01:58,230 --> 01:02:01,050
uncomfortable looking at the fact that they personally

1803
01:02:01,190 --> 01:02:04,150
advocate violent extortion of all their neighbors for

1804
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:05,210
the government version

1805
01:02:05,644 --> 01:02:07,324
of this solution. What I'm what I was

1806
01:02:07,324 --> 01:02:09,644
simply just kinda be facetiously pointing out is

1807
01:02:09,644 --> 01:02:11,405
the obvious answer is, well, we still would.

1808
01:02:11,405 --> 01:02:13,085
As you were saying earlier, it's the same

1809
01:02:13,085 --> 01:02:14,844
dynamic. So it's just the illusion of some

1810
01:02:14,925 --> 01:02:17,484
we don't need some government overarching hand pointing

1811
01:02:17,484 --> 01:02:18,764
to tell us to do things that we

1812
01:02:18,764 --> 01:02:20,579
already know that we need. You know? That's

1813
01:02:20,579 --> 01:02:22,099
just I think it's so hilarious that that's

1814
01:02:22,099 --> 01:02:23,000
where that goes.

1815
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:24,820
But I actually did wanna ask you one

1816
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:26,180
other point about this that I thought was

1817
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:27,780
really interesting, and we can we can end

1818
01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:28,360
on this.

1819
01:02:28,739 --> 01:02:31,300
That really the idea of well, first thing

1820
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:33,000
is that if you let's just say hypothetically,

1821
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:35,335
in a in a an imaginary world, in

1822
01:02:35,494 --> 01:02:36,614
because this goes to the point that you

1823
01:02:36,614 --> 01:02:38,375
make that there is no good authority, which,

1824
01:02:38,375 --> 01:02:40,375
frankly, I agree with. But let's just say

1825
01:02:40,375 --> 01:02:41,974
we had a world where there was a

1826
01:02:41,974 --> 01:02:45,094
dictator, an all powerful, encompassing dictator that controlled

1827
01:02:45,094 --> 01:02:47,414
literally everything. And just for sake of conversation,

1828
01:02:47,414 --> 01:02:49,335
because this is a unicorn, it doesn't exist,

1829
01:02:49,335 --> 01:02:50,394
but that he cares

1830
01:02:50,869 --> 01:02:53,750
more about the people than anything. Every single

1831
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:55,429
thing in every waking moment is done in

1832
01:02:55,429 --> 01:02:57,610
the interest of the people. Right? Couldn't you

1833
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:59,670
explain for would that ultimately be a good

1834
01:02:59,670 --> 01:03:01,269
authority? And let's just say he lived forever

1835
01:03:01,269 --> 01:03:02,789
and it would never change. Right? Let's make

1836
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:04,255
it something like that. How how does that

1837
01:03:04,335 --> 01:03:06,014
wouldn't that fit into being good and even

1838
01:03:06,014 --> 01:03:07,855
though it doesn't exist, not possible? How do

1839
01:03:07,855 --> 01:03:09,934
you see that? It I actually made a

1840
01:03:09,934 --> 01:03:11,934
a video called if you were king many

1841
01:03:11,934 --> 01:03:13,534
years ago. It's still on YouTube. It's a

1842
01:03:13,534 --> 01:03:16,735
little silly animated thing, and it basically walks

1843
01:03:16,735 --> 01:03:19,539
through like, it lets it lets the viewer

1844
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,320
be the dictator. Like, you're a good person.

1845
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,400
You want good things for people. Let's give

1846
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,880
you unlimited power. What would that look like?

1847
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,960
What would the outcome be? And you walk

1848
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,900
through it and you realize either

1849
01:03:31,425 --> 01:03:34,625
I have no power or I'm immorally violently

1850
01:03:34,625 --> 01:03:36,785
dominating people. Because that's the only way you

1851
01:03:36,785 --> 01:03:39,824
can use authoritarian power is tell people you

1852
01:03:39,824 --> 01:03:41,344
have to do this. You're not allowed to

1853
01:03:41,344 --> 01:03:43,105
do that. My guys with guns will beat

1854
01:03:43,105 --> 01:03:44,244
you up if you disobey.

1855
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,680
Like, you have no other power. And it

1856
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,679
so it walks through some scenario. Well, I

1857
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:49,980
would feed the poor

1858
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,340
with what money?

1859
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,719
Well, I would ask people for money. What

1860
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:54,780
if they say no?

1861
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,880
Well, then I'll tax them. Okay? Now you're

1862
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,079
a tyrant. Way to go. Mhmm. Like, now

1863
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:00,945
you're a violent thief in the name of

1864
01:04:00,945 --> 01:04:01,445
compassion

1865
01:04:01,825 --> 01:04:02,644
and generosity

1866
01:04:03,425 --> 01:04:05,684
just to demonstrate that authority

1867
01:04:06,144 --> 01:04:09,664
cannot be used for legitimate ends. Mhmm. It's

1868
01:04:09,664 --> 01:04:10,405
it's impossible

1869
01:04:11,105 --> 01:04:12,965
because by its very nature,

1870
01:04:13,425 --> 01:04:13,925
it's

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,880
immoral aggression. And there's there's a very simple

1872
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,400
way that I like to break this down,

1873
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,140
which is

1874
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,840
if a cop has the the right to

1875
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,079
do certain things that I don't have the

1876
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:25,900
right to do.

1877
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,840
Like, he has authority to enforce certain laws.

1878
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,284
I'm just me. I have the right to

1879
01:04:30,284 --> 01:04:31,885
defend myself. I have the right to defend

1880
01:04:31,885 --> 01:04:34,045
other people. I have the right to use

1881
01:04:34,045 --> 01:04:37,164
inherently moral force in rare situations where it's,

1882
01:04:37,164 --> 01:04:37,984
like, defensive.

1883
01:04:38,364 --> 01:04:38,864
Mhmm.

1884
01:04:39,885 --> 01:04:40,704
All authority

1885
01:04:41,724 --> 01:04:43,505
can ever add to society

1886
01:04:44,329 --> 01:04:45,869
is immoral violence.

1887
01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:49,289
Because if the cop is allowed to use

1888
01:04:49,289 --> 01:04:52,489
force in situations where I'm not Mhmm. But

1889
01:04:52,489 --> 01:04:54,570
I'm allowed to use force in every situation

1890
01:04:54,570 --> 01:04:56,190
where it's inherently justified,

1891
01:04:56,775 --> 01:04:59,655
the only difference is you think that guy

1892
01:04:59,655 --> 01:05:01,835
has the right to use immoral violence.

1893
01:05:02,295 --> 01:05:05,014
That's all the belief in authority can ever

1894
01:05:05,014 --> 01:05:05,994
add to society.

1895
01:05:06,295 --> 01:05:07,755
Right. Immoral violence

1896
01:05:08,375 --> 01:05:09,434
viewed as legitimate

1897
01:05:09,815 --> 01:05:10,440
by the

1898
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:11,739
peasantry.

1899
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,039
Right. Well, so I did that little thought

1900
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:15,239
experiment because that was just for fun. I

1901
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:16,519
was trying to think about, like, how was

1902
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:17,880
there could there be an exception to that?

1903
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,460
And my my thought process was ultimately interestingly

1904
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,619
came down to the idea that, you know,

1905
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,159
even if that person that would never exist

1906
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:26,594
had that intention,

1907
01:05:27,055 --> 01:05:28,735
there will be difference of opinion within the

1908
01:05:28,735 --> 01:05:30,335
population. And then you come down to the

1909
01:05:30,335 --> 01:05:31,934
idea. And my thought is like, oh, that's

1910
01:05:31,934 --> 01:05:33,635
interesting. So now it brought you to where

1911
01:05:34,175 --> 01:05:36,414
the like, just the idea of the you

1912
01:05:36,414 --> 01:05:38,609
divide yourselves essentially by like, it's it kind

1913
01:05:38,609 --> 01:05:39,889
of shows you what's happening in the world

1914
01:05:39,889 --> 01:05:41,489
today where we end up pitting our against

1915
01:05:41,489 --> 01:05:43,489
ourselves, acting like we have to decide what

1916
01:05:43,489 --> 01:05:45,009
the authority will tell us to do. It's

1917
01:05:45,009 --> 01:05:46,849
just a fascinating thing, and it all comes

1918
01:05:46,849 --> 01:05:48,369
back to the point you're making. Right? And

1919
01:05:48,369 --> 01:05:49,569
this is really what I like, a lot

1920
01:05:49,569 --> 01:05:50,769
of the work I try to do is

1921
01:05:50,769 --> 01:05:51,809
try to not just go, here's what you

1922
01:05:51,809 --> 01:05:53,625
should think, but get people to think it

1923
01:05:53,625 --> 01:05:55,785
themselves and connect the dots and make the

1924
01:05:55,785 --> 01:05:57,704
understanding so it's something they see. And I

1925
01:05:57,704 --> 01:05:59,304
just think that's it's just it's fascinating. And

1926
01:05:59,304 --> 01:06:00,844
so I guess the last part was

1927
01:06:01,144 --> 01:06:03,224
about the idea of how this is shifting,

1928
01:06:03,224 --> 01:06:04,605
where, you know, historically,

1929
01:06:05,864 --> 01:06:06,525
the government

1930
01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:09,420
sees itself as the the right to rule.

1931
01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:11,260
Right? But we historically saw the idea of,

1932
01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:13,659
like, the divine right to rule. So do

1933
01:06:13,659 --> 01:06:15,659
you see that one as something that's kinda

1934
01:06:15,659 --> 01:06:17,599
the same today, which is the different veneer?

1935
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:19,179
And do you see that as something that

1936
01:06:19,179 --> 01:06:21,284
might be resurfacing to a degree? Because I've

1937
01:06:21,444 --> 01:06:22,484
I've seen a lot of discussion about that

1938
01:06:22,484 --> 01:06:24,105
with, like, the world governance idea.

1939
01:06:24,405 --> 01:06:26,164
A writer for TLAB, and and his own

1940
01:06:26,164 --> 01:06:29,045
platform, Matt Ehret, made this interesting argument a

1941
01:06:29,045 --> 01:06:30,565
a while back about how that that's what

1942
01:06:30,565 --> 01:06:32,405
he sees as the World Economic Forum and

1943
01:06:32,405 --> 01:06:34,164
that these are the the technocrats, whatever you

1944
01:06:34,164 --> 01:06:36,269
wanna call them, really just, for whatever reason

1945
01:06:36,269 --> 01:06:37,710
a long time ago, decided to let us

1946
01:06:37,710 --> 01:06:39,309
pretend to think we were, you know, in

1947
01:06:39,309 --> 01:06:40,670
putting them in power. And now they're like,

1948
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:41,869
screw it. We're gonna step back out of

1949
01:06:41,869 --> 01:06:43,390
the shadows. And that's an interesting thought to

1950
01:06:43,390 --> 01:06:44,510
end on. Do you think that might be

1951
01:06:44,510 --> 01:06:45,789
part of what's happening and and, you know,

1952
01:06:45,789 --> 01:06:47,085
anything else you wanna discuss?

1953
01:06:47,804 --> 01:06:50,125
Yeah. The the the the divine right of

1954
01:06:50,125 --> 01:06:52,045
kings was the old excuse they used when

1955
01:06:52,045 --> 01:06:54,125
people were sort of way less educated and

1956
01:06:54,125 --> 01:06:56,764
way more superstitious. Oh, god said I get

1957
01:06:56,764 --> 01:06:58,065
to rule you. Oh,

1958
01:06:58,445 --> 01:07:00,445
well, lucky you. Oh, well, guess what we

1959
01:07:00,445 --> 01:07:01,344
have to obey.

1960
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,239
And people you know, humanity progressed enough that

1961
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:05,139
people are like,

1962
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:07,440
did he, though? I mean, did he, like,

1963
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,679
give me something signed maybe? Are we just

1964
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:10,900
taking your word for it?

1965
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,319
All that happened between then and now is

1966
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,844
their excuse for authoritarian power had to get

1967
01:07:16,844 --> 01:07:19,485
way more complicated. It is just as dumb

1968
01:07:19,485 --> 01:07:21,885
as it ever was. Mhmm. The idea that,

1969
01:07:21,885 --> 01:07:23,965
well, these people have the right to rule

1970
01:07:23,965 --> 01:07:26,844
you because constitutions and elections and appointments, and

1971
01:07:26,844 --> 01:07:27,985
there's a house, and there's a

1972
01:07:28,925 --> 01:07:30,659
little 3 hours of lecture about

1973
01:07:31,619 --> 01:07:32,679
civics BS.

1974
01:07:33,059 --> 01:07:34,579
Now they have the right to rule. It's

1975
01:07:34,579 --> 01:07:35,639
just a more complicated

1976
01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:38,420
excuse for something just as dumb and something

1977
01:07:38,420 --> 01:07:39,319
just as insane

1978
01:07:39,699 --> 01:07:42,599
and just as destructive. In fact, more destructive.

1979
01:07:42,659 --> 01:07:44,099
Because back when it was just a king

1980
01:07:44,099 --> 01:07:46,094
going, I'm gonna boss you around, the people

1981
01:07:46,094 --> 01:07:47,855
would occasionally go, alright. We put up with

1982
01:07:47,855 --> 01:07:50,094
enough of this. But if people think, oh,

1983
01:07:50,094 --> 01:07:52,014
they're doing the will of the people. They're

1984
01:07:52,014 --> 01:07:54,735
representing us. They put up with way more

1985
01:07:54,735 --> 01:07:56,994
crap than they ever would from a dictator,

1986
01:07:57,295 --> 01:07:58,275
which is why

1987
01:07:58,619 --> 01:08:01,500
the US today under a constitutional republic is

1988
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:03,420
a 1000000000 times less free than it was

1989
01:08:03,420 --> 01:08:05,519
as the colony of a king.

1990
01:08:05,819 --> 01:08:07,199
Like, that's pretty bad.

1991
01:08:07,659 --> 01:08:09,900
I would end with this, and it's something

1992
01:08:10,219 --> 01:08:11,359
it's one of the illustrations

1993
01:08:11,739 --> 01:08:14,234
why it's an insane superstition. And if people

1994
01:08:14,234 --> 01:08:15,454
dare to look at it,

1995
01:08:15,914 --> 01:08:18,875
it it gets pretty obvious pretty fast, but

1996
01:08:18,875 --> 01:08:20,554
it takes a lot to dare to look

1997
01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:23,215
at it. Mhmm. To solve 99%

1998
01:08:23,594 --> 01:08:26,234
of the world's problems, people have to abide

1999
01:08:26,234 --> 01:08:27,295
by one thing

2000
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,199
and understand what it means. The one thing

2001
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:32,119
is this. And when I say it, everybody

2002
01:08:32,119 --> 01:08:34,119
goes, oh, yeah. I totally agree. And nobody

2003
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:35,100
believes in government.

2004
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,439
Don't ever try to get somebody else to

2005
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:39,180
do something

2006
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,579
that you have no right to do yourself.

2007
01:08:42,265 --> 01:08:42,765
Right.

2008
01:08:43,625 --> 01:08:45,465
That's the end of government. That's the end

2009
01:08:45,625 --> 01:08:48,265
because everybody who votes is trying to get

2010
01:08:48,265 --> 01:08:50,744
government power used for something that they know

2011
01:08:50,744 --> 01:08:52,585
damn well they don't have the right to

2012
01:08:52,585 --> 01:08:53,244
do themselves.

2013
01:08:53,784 --> 01:08:56,505
Yeah. Just that rule. Like, if you shouldn't

2014
01:08:56,505 --> 01:08:58,560
do it, don't try to get someone else

2015
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,020
to do it. Absolutely.

2016
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:04,000
That solves 99% of humanity's problems if people

2017
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,079
would just go, oh, yeah. First of all,

2018
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:06,979
duh. Obviously.

2019
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,760
Like, I shouldn't kill you, but if I

2020
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,840
hire him, it's okay. No. It's still not

2021
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:12,340
okay.

2022
01:09:13,324 --> 01:09:15,185
Just grasping the ramifications

2023
01:09:15,564 --> 01:09:16,864
of that one concept

2024
01:09:17,564 --> 01:09:20,925
ends the superstition and ends literally all human

2025
01:09:20,925 --> 01:09:21,425
impression.

2026
01:09:21,965 --> 01:09:23,804
Man, I I agree. You know? And I

2027
01:09:23,804 --> 01:09:25,564
think that it's to end on a positive

2028
01:09:25,564 --> 01:09:27,750
note what we started with is I really

2029
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:29,989
genuinely believe that there's a shift taking place.

2030
01:09:29,989 --> 01:09:31,429
And as I'm sure, you know, in the,

2031
01:09:31,429 --> 01:09:33,029
in the past that there there there's been

2032
01:09:33,029 --> 01:09:34,630
moments like this before. And then, and often

2033
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:36,789
we find. We fall, we fall into some

2034
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:37,989
new trap and it gets, you know, we,

2035
01:09:37,989 --> 01:09:39,925
we cycle back in. But, again, we're in

2036
01:09:39,925 --> 01:09:41,725
a moment where I genuinely believe people are

2037
01:09:41,725 --> 01:09:44,385
hearing this. They're entertaining these ideas. They're understanding

2038
01:09:44,604 --> 01:09:46,765
why it makes sense and seeking change and

2039
01:09:46,765 --> 01:09:48,604
maybe going through government to do so. That's

2040
01:09:48,604 --> 01:09:50,125
what we're trying to woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.

2041
01:09:50,125 --> 01:09:51,484
Hold on. There are other ways to go

2042
01:09:51,484 --> 01:09:53,430
here and there's other chance paths to take.

2043
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:54,630
But I I think that this is a

2044
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:56,630
time where, you know, your your message can

2045
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:58,310
really reach people. So I'm I'm honored to

2046
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:59,590
have you on today, and I'm really hoping

2047
01:09:59,590 --> 01:10:00,949
people can take the time to read your

2048
01:10:00,949 --> 01:10:03,270
books, your work, and and at least just

2049
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:05,110
consider the validity of what you're saying. Because

2050
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:06,949
I I I think it's powerful. And, you

2051
01:10:06,949 --> 01:10:08,694
know, I mean, anything else you wanna leave

2052
01:10:08,694 --> 01:10:10,295
us with upcoming events or stuff you're gonna

2053
01:10:10,295 --> 01:10:11,654
be doing? So I'm just really hoping people

2054
01:10:11,654 --> 01:10:13,094
will take the time to just go through

2055
01:10:13,094 --> 01:10:14,935
what you've done because I see a positive

2056
01:10:14,935 --> 01:10:16,135
thing on the horizon here if we can

2057
01:10:16,135 --> 01:10:16,635
actually

2058
01:10:16,935 --> 01:10:17,835
understand this.

2059
01:10:18,295 --> 01:10:20,534
Absolutely. And that's I I would point out

2060
01:10:20,534 --> 01:10:22,074
in response to that that that

2061
01:10:22,739 --> 01:10:25,140
throughout history, lots and lots of people have

2062
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:27,000
objected to certain authoritarian

2063
01:10:27,380 --> 01:10:30,020
regimes, and their solution was always a different

2064
01:10:30,020 --> 01:10:32,979
authoritarian regime. Now more than has ever happened

2065
01:10:32,979 --> 01:10:34,979
in the history of the world, more and

2066
01:10:34,979 --> 01:10:37,125
more people are starting to realize we don't

2067
01:10:37,125 --> 01:10:40,005
just need a different flavored ruler. We need

2068
01:10:40,005 --> 01:10:42,085
to not have rulers. And that is a

2069
01:10:42,085 --> 01:10:45,284
fundamentally different thing that's happening right now than

2070
01:10:45,284 --> 01:10:46,904
has ever happened before

2071
01:10:47,524 --> 01:10:49,845
because it isn't like, even the American Revolution

2072
01:10:49,845 --> 01:10:51,604
was, you suck. Let's put new rulers in

2073
01:10:51,604 --> 01:10:53,489
power. It's like Right. How did that go?

2074
01:10:53,949 --> 01:10:56,270
The solution is not comp the problem is

2075
01:10:56,270 --> 01:10:58,349
not the current people in power, and the

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solution is not putting new people in power.

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It's realizing

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the power

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is the problem. The flight political power is

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the problem. Right.

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I think like, almost everything I do is

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sort of outreach and trying to get people

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to think about these things. I would

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strongly suggest people check out the movie Jones

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Plantation, which is now on Amazon and Apple

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TV and stuff.

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And, of course, the book you've been talking

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about the whole time, most dangerous superstition.

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A lot of people assume that if you're

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disagreeing with what they say, you think they're

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bad people. Mhmm. And you're you're condemning and

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attacking them.

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So what I would ask people to do

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or challenge people to do is simply this.

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Are you sure

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that your conscience

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matches

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your political beliefs?

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Just look at that. Doesn't matter if they

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match mine. Like, I'm just some guy. Doesn't

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matter if you have my approval.

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Can your belief system actually have

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the approval of your own

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01:12:03,925 --> 01:12:06,324
conscience? And do you dare to look closely

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enough to actually find out?

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Well said. Thank you for

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bringing this to the table, Larkin. I really

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hope people will check it out. And as

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you as I, you know, was reading from

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and discussing, make sure you guys check out

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this book. I mean, it's just it's important

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to see more than just this I mean,

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I think there's a lot of important illusions

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that are following over you know, kind of

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breaking down in front of us right now.

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So it's an exciting time of things like

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that and change, but as we said in

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the beginning, it always comes along with the

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dying power structure, you know, desperately, they're dying

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you know, the cornered animal, whatever analogy you

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01:12:39,395 --> 01:12:42,194
wanna use, clearly trying to make you feel

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01:12:42,194 --> 01:12:44,034
like things are worse because they don't want

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this to be changing. That's how I see

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it anyway. And so we just need to

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continue to follow your conscience, follow what you

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believe is right. So thank you for being

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here today, Larkin. And as always, everybody out

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there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions.

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Stay vigilant.